Forum logs for 14 May 2013
Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
deadweasel | no truf, fleas | [00:00] |
jurov | deadweasel: did not search further yet, had other things to do | [00:00] |
deadweasel | jurov, that was my problem too | [00:00] |
jurov | yes. and taking afternoon naps | [00:00] |
deadweasel | damn straight | [00:01] |
deadweasel | I'm guessing all MPEX IPOs have been delayed until interest in bitcoin has resurfaced? | [00:02] |
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deadweasel | not that they are many... | [00:02] |
jurov | deadweasel: you know of any? | [00:02] |
deadweasel | nope | [00:02] |
jurov | like, S.BRKH ? | [00:03] |
deadweasel | S Burkah? are we invested in Islamic women? | [00:03] |
deadweasel | this is not good.... | [00:03] |
deadweasel | their husbands will be pissed and start a war against..... | [00:03] |
deadweasel | oh, too late. | [00:03] |
jurov | http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=BRK-A i meant this | [00:03] |
deadweasel | great vid of him and munger. | [00:04] |
deadweasel | that's been on my brain lately. | [00:04] |
jurov | that ratpoison one? | [00:04] |
deadweasel | yup | [00:04] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.01491899 = 0.0597 BTC [+] | [00:04] |
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jurov | wouldn't surprise me if few dudes met in a trollbox somwehere and came out with the name | [00:08] |
* | deadweasel doesn't know what a trollbox is... unless it's a box for keeping trolls in. | [00:08] |
jurov | :) | [00:09] |
jurov | lmao | [00:09] |
* | deadweasel closes himself back into his corrugated cardboard trollbox | [00:10] |
jurov | yes, it tends to spill ver | [00:10] |
jurov | *over | [00:10] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.411004 BTC [-] | [00:11] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 9 @ 0.411003 = 3.699 BTC [-] | [00:11] |
jurov | i'm totally using it "yes, this thing spilled over from trollbox" | [00:11] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 15 @ 0.01491899 = 0.2238 BTC [+] | [00:11] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 34 @ 0.1059 = 3.6006 BTC [+] | [00:13] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 5 @ 0.106 = 0.53 BTC [+] | [00:14] |
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deadweasel | ha, freenode is gasping for breath, yet here I sit, in 15 channels, just lurking. | [00:19] |
jurov | till the blockchain makes us part | [00:19] |
deadweasel | nevar! | [00:20] |
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mircea_popescu | ;;ticker | [00:24] |
gribble | Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later. | [00:24] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 10 @ 0.411003 = 4.11 BTC [-] | [00:25] |
-mrmist- | [Global Notice] Sadly the DDoS attacks are still ongoing and that it is affecting major parts of our infrastructure resulting in timeouts and loss of some service (at least, but not limited to webchat, support ticket system and hidden tor service). A special thank you to our sponsors, whom we love so much. ♥ | [00:25] |
mircea_popescu | im curious if this actually blows freenode off the interwebs. | [00:26] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6676 @ 0.00068408 = 4.5669 BTC [-] | [00:26] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.51999 = 3.04 BTC [+] | [00:27] |
deadweasel | no way | [00:28] |
deadweasel | it will come back stronger | [00:28] |
mircea_popescu | whoa it's incredible, the bitfury bet still at 10:1 | [00:28] |
mircea_popescu | peepz out of money ? | [00:28] |
deadweasel | who is this guy? you think he has any chance? | [00:30] |
mircea_popescu | well here's the score : if he is in fact delivering 200th up to 22peta hash, | [00:31] |
mircea_popescu | then asicminer is dead. | [00:31] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 8 @ 0.01491899 = 0.1194 BTC [+] | [00:31] |
mircea_popescu | if you have a bitcoin in asicminer it makes sense to bet as much as .1 btc against him, seeing the odds. | [00:31] |
mircea_popescu | therefore, we can calculate the % of idiots in asicminer as follows : | [00:32] |
mircea_popescu | total no side bet divided by asicminer market cap | [00:32] |
mircea_popescu | ;;calc 13 / 600000 | [00:32] |
gribble | 2.16666666667e-05 | [00:32] |
mircea_popescu | that's what, 998 people out of 1000 ? | [00:32] |
mircea_popescu | just some off the cuff degree-of-magnitude accurate maffs. | [00:33] |
ezdiy | deadweasel: it will likely kick out the channel which is causing the ddos drama | [00:33] |
dub | its not #bitcoin-trollbox | [00:33] |
dub | thats a picture of health | [00:33] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [00:33] |
ezdiy | dub: yea, i kinda suspect it'll be #bitcoin* :) | [00:34] |
deadweasel | ezdiy: which channel is that? | [00:34] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 1.51999 = 12.1599 BTC [+] | [00:34] |
ezdiy | deadweasel: well | [00:34] |
ezdiy | bitcoin is second largest community after ubuntu | [00:34] |
ezdiy | so guess what | [00:34] |
deadweasel | aaw man. | [00:34] |
deadweasel | now I feel bad. | [00:34] |
ezdiy | (out of my arse speculation) | [00:34] |
ThickAsThieves | mp/jurov, could you push withdrawals | [00:34] |
ThickAsThieves | got hustlin' to do | [00:35] |
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mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves k, be like half hour. | [00:35] |
ThickAsThieves | poop, ok | [00:35] |
mircea_popescu | i guess we find out, ezdiy. | [00:36] |
ezdiy | (subtly luring me to start bitbet.us bet lol :) | [00:36] |
mircea_popescu | tho tbh kicking out bitcoin would be pretty damaging to them. | [00:37] |
deadweasel | do it! | [00:37] |
mircea_popescu | lol why do i need to lure you, i can just make one | [00:37] |
deadweasel | i got .5 on FREENODE LIVES | [00:37] |
jborkl | So the full terms of the bitfury bet are - they deliver how much? in basically a month? | [00:37] |
ezdiy | mircea_popescu: not enough info for that yet :/ | [00:37] |
mircea_popescu | jborkl just demonstrate hashing | [00:37] |
ezdiy | might be just some kiddo nerdraging at mircop | [00:37] |
ezdiy | or a guy with serious firepower systematically trying to target something | [00:38] |
mircea_popescu | what's mircop | [00:38] |
dub | mircop? | [00:38] |
ezdiy | irc operator | [00:38] |
ezdiy | using mIRC | [00:38] |
dub | lol | [00:38] |
dub | LOL | [00:38] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1874 @ 0.00068676 = 1.287 BTC [+] | [00:38] |
mircea_popescu | lolk | [00:39] |
dub | im sure that would pass bash moderation | [00:39] |
deadweasel | is bitfury russian? | [00:39] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 25 @ 1.51999 = 37.9998 BTC [+] | [00:40] |
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mircea_popescu | yteah | [00:41] |
mircea_popescu | seems so. | [00:41] |
mircea_popescu | would be funnay if the russians blow out the chinese. | [00:41] |
mircea_popescu | historically accurate too | [00:41] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 13 @ 0.01491899 = 0.1939 BTC [+] | [00:41] |
dub | bitfury exists? | [00:42] |
deadweasel | no higher education... gonna make the chips himself? | [00:42] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.531992 BTC [+] | [00:42] |
deadweasel | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=203107.0 | [00:42] |
mircea_popescu | dub well somebody got 100 btc. | [00:44] |
mircea_popescu | honestly i was expecting to see that bet like 5:1 not 1:10 | [00:44] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.01512 = 0.4536 BTC [+] | [00:45] |
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deadweasel | ;;google bitfury | [00:47] |
gribble | BitFury: Home: |
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dub | fwiw higher education just means you learned to suck dick | [00:48] |
ezdiy | damn easy europeans | [00:48] |
deadweasel | they need to drop those things in vegetable oil for cooling. | [00:48] |
ezdiy | and their provess at both scamming and technology design lol | [00:48] |
mircea_popescu | cooking ? | [00:48] |
deadweasel | well, ya learn a lot of things, mostly conditioning | [00:49] |
dub | not much in a practical sense | [00:49] |
deadweasel | no, not practical, then again I didn't study all that hard either. | [00:49] |
ezdiy | mineral oil makes sense if you have a lot of components with thermal surface | [00:50] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.54876 BTC [+] | [00:50] |
ezdiy | inb4 avalon aquarium | [00:50] |
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deadweasel | you could just pump the oil around a little faster | [00:50] |
ezdiy | i mean, its not worth the hassle | [00:51] |
ezdiy | to have a leak proof tank, pumps, heat exchangers etc, if you can just use fans | [00:51] |
deadweasel | well shit | [00:52] |
deadweasel | when my bitfury asic gets here, I'm putting a fan on it 0.o | [00:53] |
ezdiy | lol | [00:53] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16226 @ 0.00068446 = 11.106 BTC [-] | [00:53] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1163 @ 0.00068706 = 0.7991 BTC [+] | [00:53] |
ezdiy | deadweasel: just order the whole 100gh/s fpga rack | [00:54] |
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ezdiy | submerge it in oil and heat exchange with water in nearby river | [00:54] |
ezdiy | you save 3kw on air cooling o/ | [00:54] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.5204 BTC [-] | [00:56] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.520324 BTC [-] | [00:56] |
deadweasel | ezdiy, wish I could. do you mine? | [00:57] |
ezdiy | nah, i was just kinda lampooning their current fpga offering as it is largely outdated atm :) | [00:57] |
mircea_popescu | i think ezdiy mostly trolls | [00:58] |
ezdiy | i think mp is mostly pedantic nazi | [00:59] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1950 @ 0.00068706 = 1.3398 BTC [+] | [00:59] |
mircea_popescu | totally. | [01:00] |
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mircea_popescu | sorry about the delay ThickAsThieves. i've recently beefed up the security and i think i might have gone too far ;/ | [01:04] |
mircea_popescu | will be processing asap tho. | [01:04] |
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dub | I think ezdiy has a calssic case of 'I'm chatting on the internet therefor I know everything' | [01:05] |
dub | and also a classic case | [01:05] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 30 @ 0.01491899 = 0.4476 BTC [+] | [01:05] |
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dub | if it was trolling, he'd need to be in #bitcoin-trollbox | [01:06] |
jborkl_ | mtgox down again | [01:06] |
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ezdiy | dub: well, you _dont_ know? | [01:07] |
ezdiy | it's clearly established wisdom of bitcoin community that not knowing implies ignorance | [01:08] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.548389 BTC [+] | [01:08] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.5484 BTC [+] | [01:10] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.549978 BTC [+] | [01:12] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.549978 BTC [+] | [01:13] |
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dub | hey I'm just here to spam #bitcoin-trollbox | [01:15] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1100 @ 0.00300015 = 3.3002 BTC [+] | [01:15] |
ezdiy | figured as much :) | [01:18] |
* | ezdiy 's here to annoy local overlords | [01:18] |
ezdiy | and maybe learn a thing or two about finance in the process | [01:18] |
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jurov | mircea_popescu i hope you don't beef up the security so far as reptilia | [01:19] |
jurov | "I have pretty many coins and I store them with pretty many precautions. By many, I mean that it takes me an approximately 16 hours of my prime work time to do it, and it also does not happen without a considerable monetary cost." | [01:19] |
mircea_popescu | not quite. | [01:19] |
mircea_popescu | im not as pretty. | [01:19] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 12 @ 0.01491899 = 0.179 BTC [+] | [01:19] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 21 @ 0.01492 = 0.3133 BTC [+] | [01:19] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 12 @ 0.01492 = 0.179 BTC [+] | [01:20] |
jborkl | hmm, all my nodes paused and are acting strage | [01:21] |
jborkl | strange | [01:21] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 57 @ 0.014925 = 0.8507 BTC [+] | [01:21] |
jurov | jborkl: ec2 nodes? | [01:21] |
jborkl | all my class 1.2 supernodes | [01:22] |
jborkl | lol | [01:22] |
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jurov | you must check the sauna | [01:22] |
mircea_popescu | jborkl there's something afoot on the blockchain. | [01:23] |
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jurov | but the fork is planned on tomorrow, no? | [01:23] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 70 @ 0.014925 = 1.0448 BTC [+] | [01:23] |
jborkl | they are still relaying, but appear to have stopped | [01:24] |
mircea_popescu | jurov there's an issue. | [01:24] |
mircea_popescu | i have no idea wtf yet. | [01:24] |
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jurov | hm.. my bitcoinds seem to work normally | [01:25] |
jborkl | yes, for sure - my nodes are not working correct as of the last block - the time stamp in bitcoind has stopped also | [01:25] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 12 @ 0.01492 = 0.179 BTC [-] | [01:25] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 12 @ 0.01491899 = 0.179 BTC [-] | [01:25] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 12 @ 0.0009 = 0.0108 BTC [+] | [01:27] |
mircea_popescu | i think we're forking | [01:28] |
mircea_popescu | new bug ?! | [01:28] |
jborkl | restarted and now the time stamp is progressing | [01:28] |
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jurov | where it does show timestamp? | [01:28] |
mircea_popescu | jurov stat :D | [01:29] |
jurov | http://blockchain.info/rejected shows lots of new stuff | [01:29] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2557 @ 0.00068733 = 1.7575 BTC [+] | [01:30] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13343 @ 0.00068706 = 9.1674 BTC [-] | [01:30] |
jurov | don't shit me, bitcoind getinfo is not outputting any timestamp | [01:31] |
jurov | pls can anyone explain me what's happening. in full sentences... | [01:34] |
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jborkl | I am trying to figure it out, have to go home though | [01:38] |
ezdiy | ERROR: CScriptCheck() : bbf6540a80bf356ab33c7ebf15317a246ed3a46bfe0df30bba3052935d711b9b VerifySignature failed | [01:38] |
ezdiy | ERROR: CTxMemPool::accept() : ConnectInputs failed bbf6540a80bf356ab33c7ebf15317a246ed3a46bfe0df30bba3052935d711b9b | [01:39] |
ezdiy | hm | [01:39] |
ezdiy | this can't be good | [01:39] |
jborkl | this has to be a fork | [01:39] |
mircea_popescu | it's screwed wtf. | [01:39] |
ezdiy | my bitcoind claims the sig is invalid | [01:39] |
ezdiy | but blockchain info says its ok | [01:39] |
ezdiy | but unconfirmed | [01:39] |
ezdiy | (im running latest git) | [01:39] |
mircea_popescu | ok everyone do not make any further txns until we figure out what the fuck is going on | [01:40] |
mircea_popescu | has anyone notified the power rangers yet ? | [01:40] |
dub | -dev is silent | [01:41] |
jborkl | fuck if you and I notcied right away wtf are they doing | [01:41] |
ezdiy | can someone ./bitcoind gettransaction bbf6540a80bf356ab33c7ebf15317a246ed3a46bfe0df30bba3052935d711b9b | [01:41] |
ezdiy | if you have it | [01:41] |
ezdiy | then we're screwed | [01:42] |
mircea_popescu | jborkl originally i thought i'm fucking it up tbh | [01:42] |
ezdiy | as i'm on the other side of fork | [01:42] |
jurov | error: {"code":-5,"message":"Invalid or non-wallet transaction id"} | [01:42] |
ezdiy | hm, ok | [01:42] |
mod6 | eek | [01:42] |
jborkl | well mp , obvious but pause my withdrawal until later | [01:42] |
ezdiy | jurov: did it get rejected in your debug.log as well? | [01:42] |
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mircea_popescu | ezdiy i have it on exactly one node | [01:43] |
jurov | blockchain.info shows it as unconfirmed | [01:43] |
mircea_popescu | 8 btc | [01:43] |
ezdiy | mircea_popescu: yeah, but your node should have rejected it :/ | [01:43] |
jborkl | transactions are still going through all of my nodes | [01:43] |
mircea_popescu | dude i have no idea. | [01:44] |
ezdiy | with ConnectInputs failed | [01:44] |
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ezdiy | mircea_popescu: grep ~/.bitcoin/debug.log for it | [01:44] |
mircea_popescu | i don't have ssh for that machine right now | [01:44] |
ezdiy | dang | [01:44] |
ezdiy | well, lets wait for a bit | [01:44] |
jurov | it only says received getdata for: tx bbf6540a80 | [01:44] |
ezdiy | maybe its just orphaned tx input or something | [01:44] |
jurov | nothing else | [01:44] |
jborkl | storing orphans like a bitch though | [01:44] |
jborkl | all it is doing | [01:45] |
mircea_popescu | this is pretty insane | [01:45] |
mircea_popescu | it would seem over about a dozen nodes there's something like... 8 diff chains/orphans ? | [01:45] |
ezdiy | yep :/ | [01:45] |
mircea_popescu | wtf we imploded what happened here | [01:45] |
TheSeven | ezdiy: bbf6540a80bf356ab33c7ebf15317a246ed3a46bfe0df30bba3052935d711b9b non-existant here | [01:50] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+] | [01:51] |
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ezdiy | seems like it | [01:51] |
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ezdiy | mircea_popescu: we need getrawtransaction of that guy, if possible | [01:52] |
TheSeven | CTxMemPool::accept() : accepted bbf6540a80 (poolsz 2531) | [01:52] |
TheSeven | received getdata for: tx bbf6540a80 | [01:52] |
TheSeven | so it seems to be accepted on my node | [01:53] |
TheSeven | getrawtransaction returns it | [01:53] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.54988 BTC [-] | [01:53] |
TheSeven | but of course gettransaction doesn't because it isn't from my wallet | [01:53] |
ezdiy | TheSeven: paste | [01:53] |
TheSeven | $ bitcoind getrawtransaction bbf6540a80bf356ab33c7ebf15317a246ed3a46bfe0df30bba3052935d711b9b | [01:53] |
TheSeven | 0100000001eb8b5d0d5dd4b4dd61d9737d82f63d24c34aa55587d0e4a7605aa230120e91fb000000008a4730440220c309d71f3b8cbafce79d7ab2afde11c16d8f566f2d1e375b305df621ec0d9f230220c073cfa2018bee371bd4f771730368d66762628093f5d1922123c7938681fd0d014104b7b6fcff33b2233c8ca607390f951e845865088a26264a291ffcea2d67bcccfc0dee3e2f906f6feeedea3d2fcf563f5d5c1a7e76a621b8fb659ad9865f2eefeeffffffff010008af2f000000001976a9147b6746f308567c7d5e7ac79bb79412339952514888ac0 | [01:53] |
TheSeven | 0000000 | [01:53] |
TheSeven | this is a 0.8.1 node | [01:54] |
TheSeven | ok, moving this over to #bitcoin-dev | [01:55] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00068274 = 5.3936 BTC [-] | [01:59] |
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jurov | -dev says it is this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=106461.5 | [02:02] |
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ezdiy | the hour-or-so gap points to FUD campaign imo | [02:05] |
mircea_popescu | hum | [02:05] |
mircea_popescu | i thought that was fixed months ago | [02:05] |
ezdiy | though hourly block gaps happen for innocent reasons too | [02:06] |
mircea_popescu | maybe i misunderstood something | [02:06] |
ezdiy | all pools unlucky -> lots of rejected txes because of DER sig rules -> FUD | [02:06] |
ezdiy | you can s/all pools unlucky/all pools dosed somehow/ | [02:06] |
mircea_popescu | ezdiy was your tx ber'd ? | [02:07] |
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ezdiy | yep, all the broken txes seem to have nonstandard sigs under 0.8.2 | [02:07] |
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mircea_popescu | did you send it from armory actually ? | [02:07] |
ezdiy | no idea, i'm just looking at debug.log | [02:08] |
ezdiy | there was apparently some split brain scenario during the time there were no new blocks mined | [02:08] |
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mircea_popescu | my dept of technology & paranoia is not happy with the sig explanation. | [02:08] |
ezdiy | as you can send tx on of another one in mempool | [02:08] |
ezdiy | *on top | [02:09] |
ezdiy | not much so when half of network rejects it in mempool though | [02:09] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.269 BTC [+] | [02:09] |
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mircea_popescu | ;;difchange | [02:11] |
gribble | Error: "difchange" is not a valid command. | [02:11] |
mircea_popescu | ;;diffchange | [02:11] |
gribble | Estimated percent change in difficulty this period | 18.95114 % based on data since last change | 17.0779 % based on data for last three days | [02:11] |
mircea_popescu | ;;estimate | [02:11] |
gribble | Next difficulty estimate | 13307370.2306 based on data since last change | 13097805.7081 based on data for last three days | [02:11] |
mircea_popescu | ;;tslb | [02:12] |
gribble | Time since last block: 3 minutes and 53 seconds | [02:12] |
dub | ;;nethash | [02:12] |
gribble | 93759.1759279 | [02:12] |
dub | shit oh dear | [02:12] |
mircea_popescu | um | [02:12] |
ezdiy | mircea_popescu: yeah, there was a hour-or-so gap | [02:12] |
mircea_popescu | which block is gribble on | [02:12] |
dub | That Escalated Quickly | [02:12] |
dub | ;;block | [02:12] |
gribble | Error: "block" is not a valid command. | [02:12] |
dub | ;;blockhieght | [02:12] |
gribble | Error: "blockhieght" is not a valid command. | [02:12] |
dub | ;;blocks | [02:13] |
gribble | 236070 | [02:13] |
mircea_popescu | ya but which | [02:13] |
mircea_popescu | 0000000000000133f6f3a4750a atop 0000000000000045aeb20b5d64 ? | [02:13] |
jurov | yes blockhain.info shows these two most recent | [02:14] |
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mircea_popescu | i guess no fork just some funky reorg then ? | [02:16] |
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ezdiy | no reorg | [02:17] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 37 @ 0.014925 = 0.5522 BTC [+] | [02:17] |
ezdiy | look at blockchain info, there was *over a hour* gap between blocks | [02:18] |
ezdiy | pools simply were unlucky/dosed | [02:18] |
mircea_popescu | hm | [02:18] |
jurov | and people who use 0.8.2 from git see the tx rejected | [02:18] |
mircea_popescu | no cauyse there were orphaned block in between | [02:18] |
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ezdiy | jurov: until its accepted in the block by 0.8.1 miner | [02:19] |
ezdiy | then even 0.8.2 accepts it | [02:19] |
ezdiy | or at least it should | [02:19] |
jurov | ezdiy yes, it got accepted now | [02:19] |
jurov | but no orphaned blocks afaik | [02:19] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 42 @ 0.01512 = 0.635 BTC [+] | [02:20] |
mircea_popescu | i'm confused. | [02:21] |
ezdiy | you're btc-e kiddo and can ddos pools | [02:22] |
ezdiy | 0.8.2 implements weird rule | [02:22] |
ezdiy | whatya do to create price wave to ride it? :) | [02:22] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.549 = 3.098 BTC [-] | [02:22] |
mircea_popescu | hm | [02:23] |
mircea_popescu | any pool actually say they're ddosed yet ? | [02:23] |
ezdiy | (i highly doubt its was just an innocent coincidence, as the chances are <1% of block gap occuring so conveniently) | [02:23] |
mircea_popescu | not heard anything. | [02:23] |
ezdiy | yeah, that'd confirm my speculation | [02:24] |
dub | guild's website was down yesterday | [02:24] |
ezdiy | short ddoses go unnoticed often though | [02:24] |
mircea_popescu | 1hr is not short. | [02:25] |
mircea_popescu | for a pool. | [02:25] |
ezdiy | most miners have it setup to switch pools when one is down | [02:25] |
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ezdiy | of course it's false sense of security, just ddos all the pools commonly used lol | [02:25] |
ezdiy | (btw, p2pool is suspected to have high stale rate because you can tie individual miners/hashpower to certain ips) | [02:27] |
ezdiy | in that sense, pools are useful they shield individual miners from direct attacks | [02:27] |
mircea_popescu | tjhat just shows how dysfunctional the entire p2p model is. | [02:27] |
ezdiy | well, better said naive implementation of p2p | [02:28] |
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mircea_popescu | right. | [02:29] |
mircea_popescu | in other words cheap. | [02:29] |
mircea_popescu | ;;tslb | [02:30] |
gribble | Time since last block: 11 minutes and 35 seconds | [02:30] |
mircea_popescu | ;;blocks | [02:31] |
gribble | 236072 | [02:31] |
mircea_popescu | i see two chains. | [02:31] |
mircea_popescu | one's on 236071 16 mins ago | [02:31] |
mircea_popescu | the other no wait | [02:31] |
mircea_popescu | ok there's some connectivity weirdness | [02:31] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.014925 BTC [+] | [02:32] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 35 @ 0.014925 = 0.5224 BTC [+] | [02:34] |
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mircea_popescu | ;;blockas | [02:37] |
gribble | Error: "blockas" is not a valid command. | [02:37] |
mircea_popescu | ;;blocks | [02:37] |
gribble | 236074 | [02:37] |
mircea_popescu | so slush just mined an empty block ? | [02:37] |
mircea_popescu | and it came in within 30 seconds of 236073 ? | [02:38] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.549 = 3.098 BTC [-] | [02:44] |
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ezdiy | http://blockchain.info/block-index/382582/00000000000000456bcd68f888f1af4d9c5ecf807fd23f328acd9410c1d0fa81 <-- slush bitcoind under attack | [02:46] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.1 BTC [-] | [02:47] |
mircea_popescu | how do you figure ? | [02:50] |
ezdiy | block with no transactions | [02:50] |
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ezdiy | but slush is signed in coinbase if you click at txid | [02:50] |
ezdiy | means his bitcoind must have been somehow convinced there were no txes *at all* | [02:50] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.549978 = 3.1 BTC [+] | [02:51] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.549978 = 6.1999 BTC [+] | [02:51] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.549979 BTC [+] | [02:51] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.549979 BTC [+] | [02:52] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.549979 = 3.1 BTC [+] | [02:52] |
ezdiy | or maybe just broken code, who knows | [02:52] |
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ezdiy | the downside of central models :) | [02:52] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.549979 BTC [+] | [02:54] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.549979 = 6.1999 BTC [+] | [02:54] |
optimator | ezdiy: when a new block is found the pool code pushes work out with no txs. it does this while it builds the new merkle root. that way the miners have work immediately | [02:56] |
optimator | and on the off chance someone solves it everyone is rewarded | [02:56] |
ezdiy | optimator: not most optimal solution then, though :/ | [02:57] |
ezdiy | i'm surprised theres no bloody murder scream from users about 1-tx blocks | [02:57] |
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optimator | we'll it's beyond a long shot - within seconds new work is pushed with transactions. Otherwise the miners would be working on work for a block that had already been solved | [02:59] |
ezdiy | yeah | [02:59] |
optimator | s/we'll/well | [02:59] |
ezdiy | but the underlying idea is only greed | [02:59] |
ezdiy | it profits only the miners, not users | [02:59] |
ezdiy | s/profits/benefits/ | [03:00] |
optimator | i see it as rewarding them for their work on the network | [03:00] |
ezdiy | optimator: no, the merkle root should be updated continuously by slush | [03:01] |
ezdiy | not when new block arrives | [03:02] |
ezdiy | thats just being lazy, to the detriment of users | [03:02] |
ezdiy | this is why hasprevblock is separate after all | [03:02] |
optimator | it doesn't work that way. The block height is incorporated into the hash function. So you can know what to push unless you know the block you are working on | [03:02] |
ezdiy | you, you have to re-verify txes which use same utxos as the txes in newly arrived block | [03:03] |
optimator | imagine a queue that you are pushing new txs on. You keep building it up, but when a new block is found the queueu is emptied | [03:03] |
ezdiy | but you *dont* have to to verify sigs again | [03:03] |
ezdiy | => its crazy fast | [03:03] |
ezdiy | i call lazy | [03:03] |
ezdiy | optimator: yes, thats how it works and why slush pushes empty merkle for the mean time | [03:04] |
ezdiy | until he re-verifies everything | [03:04] |
ezdiy | optimator: this is probably something to be fixed in bitcoind, though :( | [03:05] |
ezdiy | so people dont invent crazy hacks to prevent stales | [03:05] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2250 @ 0.00068274 = 1.5362 BTC [-] | [03:05] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00068122 = 5.8585 BTC [-] | [03:05] |
optimator | ezdiy: yes, in bitcoind. It's can be 300 ms to get the new tx list | [03:06] |
ezdiy | or much more if youre clever to push lots of utxos which will seek all through 6gb | [03:07] |
ezdiy | imagine 1000 utxos, each spaced at 4mb boundary | [03:07] |
ezdiy | spinning drives will go crazy :/ | [03:08] |
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ezdiy | not to mention slow ecdsa verify | [03:08] |
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ezdiy | optimator: the trick is, when new block arrives, you just remove txes which are in it from your mempool (no verify needed, no seeks needed) and recompute merkle | [03:10] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.54898 BTC [-] | [03:10] |
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optimator | ezdiy: yeah, maybe. I think you are coming at it from the bitcoind level and I'm coming at it from the json-rpc level | [03:12] |
ezdiy | well, i see why its done like its done | [03:13] |
ezdiy | because simple flush-and-redo is much simpler to implement | [03:13] |
ezdiy | carefully pruning the outdated utxos must be written from scratch :( | [03:13] |
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optimator | plus you'd have to get the new block because you don't know what txs were included in it | [03:14] |
ezdiy | well, its like | [03:14] |
ezdiy | you get new block, and look at inputs of all transactions in there | [03:14] |
ezdiy | and just 1:1 compare with your mempool, if possible - the general case is lots of those will be same | [03:15] |
ezdiy | the rest must be verified of course | [03:15] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01512 = 0.756 BTC [+] | [03:15] |
optimator | sure - 300 ms to getblock, compare, and recalc | [03:16] |
ezdiy | but the ones you found in your mempool are already verified, because you do that whenever they arrive in your mempool | [03:16] |
ezdiy | optimator: i think some json api for pools would be in order | [03:16] |
ezdiy | um, nah | [03:17] |
ezdiy | getblock is enough, just make it faster/longpoll | [03:17] |
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benkay | her mircea do you have a link on hand to your piece commenting on monetary sterilization" | [03:19] |
benkay | ? | [03:20] |
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mircea_popescu | benkay which one is that ? | [03:20] |
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benkay | found it | [03:22] |
benkay | ms warren 'stepping on it' | [03:22] |
mircea_popescu | lolk | [03:22] |
mircea_popescu | http://www.greendiary.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/gribble_Otoeh_11446.jpg | [03:22] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.0151 = 0.1208 BTC [-] | [03:23] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 16 @ 0.01512 = 0.2419 BTC [+] | [03:26] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.54898 BTC [-] | [03:26] |
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ThickAsThieves | i'm mobile but did mpex withdrawals not go out yet? | [03:35] |
ThickAsThieves | wallet says no | [03:35] |
ThickAsThieves | :( | [03:36] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves read up the history, we've had some excitement. | [03:41] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, i'm putting it off to string of extremely unlikely coincidences. | [03:41] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.014925 = 0.0448 BTC [+] | [03:44] |
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jborkl | Don_Popescu | [03:53] |
mircea_popescu | hm ? | [03:53] |
jborkl | lol good name for you | [03:54] |
mircea_popescu | ;;tslb | [03:54] |
gribble | Time since last block: 8 minutes and 17 seconds | [03:54] |
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ThickAsThieves | ;;nethash | [04:02] |
gribble | 93934.6414104 | [04:02] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;bc,stats | [04:03] |
gribble | Current Blocks: 236085 | Current Difficulty: 1.1187257461360792E7 | Next Difficulty At Block: 237887 | Next Difficulty In: 1802 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 7 hours, 7 minutes, and 53 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 13424353.8156 | Estimated Percent Change: 19.99683 | [04:03] |
ThickAsThieves | so i skimmed, but essentially we have a weird empty block, likely malicious intent, and possible fork? | [04:03] |
thestringpuller | Mr. Popescu. | [04:03] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 59 @ 0.01512 = 0.8921 BTC [+] | [04:04] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.014925 = 0.7463 BTC [+] | [04:07] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves nah there was a 1hr+ pause just as the new bitcoind changed signature rules making it look like a multifork | [04:09] |
mircea_popescu | on top of some internal stuff | [04:09] |
ThickAsThieves | hrm | [04:10] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.2 = 0.4 BTC [+] | [04:10] |
ThickAsThieves | can i still be mad at devs? | [04:10] |
mircea_popescu | im not sure they did anything wrong. | [04:10] |
mircea_popescu | the sigrule kinda had to be tightened. | [04:11] |
ThickAsThieves | aww even mp tells me to drop the pitchfork | [04:11] |
ThickAsThieves | will do | [04:11] |
mircea_popescu | i mean it looked fucking weird as all hell for a coupla hours there, but... | [04:11] |
mircea_popescu | funk. it occurs. | [04:11] |
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asciilifeform | if anybody's been wondering what a 51%/doublespend trigger pull will look like: it will look exactly like this. | [04:18] |
asciilifeform | a whimper, not a bang. | [04:18] |
asciilifeform | doesn't change the fact of the newly-perforated meat, though | [04:19] |
ThickAsThieves | hmm | [04:19] |
ThickAsThieves | so if i look up my wallet on blockchain | [04:19] |
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ThickAsThieves | it shows 1 tx i was expecting | [04:19] |
ThickAsThieves | but not the other | [04:19] |
ThickAsThieves | if look from within my wallet | [04:20] |
ThickAsThieves | i see the other | [04:20] |
ThickAsThieves | but not the 1st one | [04:20] |
ThickAsThieves | this is via blockchain.info | [04:20] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 247 @ 0.014925 = 3.6865 BTC [+] | [04:21] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 553 @ 0.00295421 = 1.6337 BTC [-] | [04:22] |
ThickAsThieves | okay i closed and reopened and all is well now | [04:22] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.2898 BTC [+] | [04:22] |
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mircea_popescu | asciilifeform probably. | [04:23] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves pretty much everyone is having trouble with the 8.2 duality. | [04:24] |
asciilifeform | and don't make the mistake of thinking that all is well just because the universe looks as expected through your particular peephole. | [04:24] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform the world is made of probabilities not certainties. | [04:24] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: Captain (Admiral?) obvious | [04:25] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [04:25] |
asciilifeform | the probability of the "doublespend ring of sauron" falling into human hands is close to 1. | [04:26] |
mircea_popescu | i don't think so. | [04:26] |
mircea_popescu | i think actual 51% past this point is an impossibility | [04:27] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu: look at you stabilizing dat pric | [04:27] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform the reasoning is that basically bitcoin is a sort of morphism on the fiat world, and i am pretty convinced by now that the 51% attack is the local equivalent of the market cornering problem. | [04:28] |
asciilifeform | 51% is difficult, yes, but quite possible to do. and to do undetectably. | [04:30] |
asciilifeform | I described several "easy" recipes as to how, at one point. | [04:30] |
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asciilifeform | at this point, the objective wouldn't necessarily be a straightforward monetary one, but to drive people to questionable altchains | [04:31] |
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asciilifeform | all you really need to push (at least some of) the lemmings over the edge is to induce enough protocol weirdness | [04:32] |
mircea_popescu | it's not possible to do. | [04:33] |
asciilifeform | you might not even need a strict 51% for that | [04:33] |
mircea_popescu | it apperars possible to do, but only in static representations of reality | [04:33] |
mircea_popescu | much like cornering markets appears possible to do in static representations of reality. | [04:33] |
mircea_popescu | ;;ticker | [04:34] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 117.53004, Best ask: 117.94999, Bid-ask spread: 0.41995, Last trade: 117.53002, 24 hour volume: 26422.96173181, 24 hour low: 114.50020, 24 hour high: 118.88000, 24 hour vwap: 117.07249 | [04:34] |
asciilifeform | this is like saying that a bullet hole is no big problem so long as the wound mostly closes back up after the bullet exits. | [04:34] |
mircea_popescu | zero impact, for that matter. the lemmings aren't in this channel. they will never know today happened | [04:34] |
mircea_popescu | for that matter, they don't trust themselves enough to believe their eyes. if respected people don't say there's a problem, there's no problem. | [04:34] |
mircea_popescu | etc. | [04:34] |
mircea_popescu | im not sure i follow that bullet analogy | [04:35] |
asciilifeform | the idea is that temporary disruptions can have permanent effect | [04:35] |
mircea_popescu | well if it's a stochastic process, prolly. | [04:35] |
asciilifeform | see 'goxlag' etc | [04:36] |
mircea_popescu | i still need to see someone argue convincingly that goxlag is bad for bitcoin. | [04:36] |
mircea_popescu | it's horible for gox, and esopecxially so for gox investors. so ? | [04:36] |
asciilifeform | not even considering that, if what we just saw was the echo of an actual double spend, it is entirely possible that somebody just sucked out N BTC out of the aether | [04:36] |
asciilifeform | there is only so many times that this can happen without a real effect | [04:37] |
mircea_popescu | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=203837.20 | [04:37] |
mircea_popescu | lik that ? | [04:37] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 235 @ 0.014925 = 3.5074 BTC [+] | [04:37] |
asciilifeform | the link appears to talk about a traditional wallet heist | [04:38] |
mircea_popescu | through 2fa ? | [04:39] |
asciilifeform | AFAIK mtgox uses usb widgets for 2fa | [04:39] |
mircea_popescu | yup | [04:40] |
asciilifeform | perhaps our friend left his plugged in, and it can be actuated through software in some undocumented way (rather than pressing the switch) | [04:40] |
asciilifeform | or, likely, it has a firmware upgrade endpoint (most usb devices do, whether documented or not.) | [04:40] |
asciilifeform | a USB thumb drive from virtually any manufacturer, for instance, does | [04:40] |
mircea_popescu | right, what io'm sauying is, this is a working prototype | [04:40] |
mircea_popescu | n btc sucked into the aether | [04:40] |
asciilifeform | not into or from the aether, but into a more clever man's pocket, from a chump's. | [04:41] |
asciilifeform | BTC was conserved. | [04:41] |
mircea_popescu | well a 51% attack wouldn't generate btc. | [04:41] |
asciilifeform | true, it will generate a Bezzle. | [04:41] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.15 BTC [+] | [04:41] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.522746 BTC [-] | [04:41] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1400 @ 0.000666 = 0.9324 BTC [-] | [04:42] |
asciilifeform | AFAIK, how quickly the bezzle dissolves will depend on how long the attack can be maintained. | [04:42] |
mircea_popescu | nope. it'll do exactly the same thing as mtgox lieing about "hacks" | [04:42] |
asciilifeform | yes, if your fractional reserve hypothesis is correct | [04:42] |
mircea_popescu | listen. suppose you actually have the tech to own yubikeys | [04:43] |
asciilifeform | (that is, the total of all people storing N btc on gox do not actually have access to N btc) | [04:43] |
mircea_popescu | and let's presume for a moment you have no better use for it than btc. | [04:43] |
mircea_popescu | which is insane, but anyway. | [04:43] |
mircea_popescu | NOW what you do with this ion cannon is steal random 4 btc wallet ? | [04:43] |
mircea_popescu | you'd have to be born last night to actually believe this. | [04:43] |
asciilifeform | every ion cannon has to be fired at a diseased goat during development | [04:44] |
mircea_popescu | if indeed this was an attack able to cut through their (braindead) 2fa implementation | [04:44] |
mircea_popescu | 90% of thje top accounts would be hit simultaneously. | [04:44] |
asciilifeform | occam's razor suggests that our chump lied about using 2fa | [04:44] |
mircea_popescu | no, it does not have to be. | [04:44] |
mircea_popescu | maybe. | [04:44] |
asciilifeform | or that mtgox has a session remanence bug | [04:45] |
mircea_popescu | the chump has no history of lieing | [04:45] |
mircea_popescu | mtgox does. | [04:45] |
asciilifeform | probably the culprit then. | [04:45] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 15 @ 0.2898 = 4.347 BTC [+] | [04:45] |
mircea_popescu | it wouldn't be the first website | [04:46] |
mircea_popescu | fuck me. the idea of a website is ridiculous | [04:46] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: you evil tempter, you just made me want to transfer btc to mtgox just to buy their yubikey. | [04:46] |
mircea_popescu | but it wouldn't be the first website with a broken 2fa implementation. | [04:46] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.43551 = 0.871 BTC [+] | [04:46] |
asciilifeform | also remember that chumps have a tendency to lie to themselves | [04:48] |
mircea_popescu | anuyay, getting back to it. the branch was off | [04:49] |
mircea_popescu | [04:49] | |
asciilifeform | and to blame their betters when their world burns | [04:49] |
mircea_popescu | now, returning there : how many times ? | [04:49] |
asciilifeform | damned if I know how many times. how many people would even admit that this happened to them, if it had | [04:49] |
mircea_popescu | see, but it'd seem to me you readily argue both ends of this rope. | [04:51] |
asciilifeform | one more observation: yubi works by emulating usb keyboard. which makes for a very simple man in the middle, esp. if you press the button an extra time. | [04:51] |
asciilifeform | or if the switch has bounce | [04:52] |
mircea_popescu | i doubt anyone actually visited the guy's apartment | [04:52] |
mircea_popescu | for the simple reason that if anyone ever did most of the us would be so very much less lonely. | [04:52] |
asciilifeform | nobody had to, but a trojan | [04:52] |
mircea_popescu | that good a trojan ? | [04:52] |
mircea_popescu | 4 btc ? | [04:52] |
mircea_popescu | hm. | [04:52] |
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asciilifeform | I study trojans for money. Most BTC botnets, for example, are quite pitiful (a handful of GH/sec.) | [04:53] |
mircea_popescu | indeed. | [04:53] |
asciilifeform | the author has little control over who will be infected | [04:53] |
asciilifeform | all he has is hope, that some of the chumps will own high-end ATI cards, etc | [04:54] |
asciilifeform | so it is entirely conceivable that a yubikey-enabled gox diddler exists but has managed to infect only paupers | [04:54] |
mircea_popescu | i have yet to see any indication of such wonder in practice. | [04:55] |
asciilifeform | not that I believe the linked thread to be evidence of such, mind you | [04:55] |
mircea_popescu | yeah. | [04:55] |
asciilifeform | my only argument, really, is that btc as we know it is a soft target, and that life will become considerably more interesting once the truly competent people take an interest in playing. | [04:56] |
optimator | it's hard to assess to validity of any claim, but there is a common factor between her story and this one - http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1e79ig/how_were_my_encrypted_bitcoin_and_litecoin/ | [04:56] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform soft but soft in the sense of amoeba | [04:56] |
mircea_popescu | or gribble colony | [04:56] |
optimator | both had their wallet.dat on truecrypt | [04:57] |
mircea_popescu | optimator the reason girl said anything/i'm leading some credence to the claim of 2fa is because this isn't the first case i've heard. | [04:57] |
asciilifeform | an amoeba colony, but in a public toilet, waiting for the janitor and his chlorine. | [04:57] |
optimator | MITM attack, or just bad random seed for 2fa? | [04:58] |
asciilifeform | truecrypt in particular is trivially broken on a compromised machine. | [04:58] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 17 @ 0.015 = 0.255 BTC [-] | [04:58] |
mircea_popescu | I used a random 64 character ASCII character password from this site for my truecrypt password. | [04:58] |
mircea_popescu | that may have been sniffed maybe >? | [04:58] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.01512 = 0.1966 BTC [+] | [04:58] |
optimator | maybe, https with EV certificate | [04:58] |
optimator | gox has EV cert making MITM seem unlikely | [04:58] |
asciilifeform | optimator: have you personally gone through the trusted public cert store in your browser/OS? | [04:59] |
optimator | but I agree I like my own entropy over someone else's - I like my own brand :) | [05:00] |
optimator | asciilifeform: no - and it kinda freaks me out. I think SSL cert authentication through a PKI is a gapping hole | [05:01] |
asciilifeform | SSL is a joke by design. | [05:01] |
mircea_popescu | http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1e79ig/how_were_my_encrypted_bitcoin_and_litecoin/c9xjk4s | [05:01] |
mircea_popescu | actually this is interesting | [05:01] |
mircea_popescu | because of the change issue. wallet.dat was stolen | [05:01] |
asciilifeform | btw there is never any real need to steal wallet.dat. all you need to do is patch bitcoind (or whatever) on the disk so that it sends everything to address X when you finally key in the passphrase. | [05:02] |
optimator | mircea_popescu: it's very interesting - I like the conclusion of the time the wallet was stolen | [05:02] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform bitcoind is such a mess it'd be easier to make a million dollars being a janitor. | [05:03] |
asciilifeform | as far as the world could tell (even if you log all the packets coming out of your home) it will look like you voluntarily donated your stash to X. | [05:03] |
mircea_popescu | "I haven't nor will I ask for donations. This truly sucks for me, but I only want to find out how this happened. I wish I could see the code/method used for educational purposes. Fuck people who steal. I strive for bitcoins and litecoins to gain popularity among the masses and become an accepted currency in societies eyes." | [05:03] |
mircea_popescu | always funny when people with 85 ltc speak of the masses. | [05:03] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: believe me (or not, your choice) this is actually very, very easy. | [05:04] |
mircea_popescu | this. | [05:04] |
asciilifeform | this <- patching bitcoind. | [05:04] |
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mircea_popescu | "In fact, scratch the social engineering, you don't need to convince someone to run your .exe if you can just run your .exe for them via a Java drive-by attack, and admit it, you've left Java installed for extended periods of time, even if you try to keep it uninstalled normally." | [05:04] |
mircea_popescu | people actually still use java ?! | [05:04] |
mircea_popescu | "I know I've found this one thing that I just have to download and install Java for, then totally forget or put off uninstalling it afterwards, many a time." | [05:05] |
optimator | mircea_popescu: 85 * 3.12 = wealth for the masses | [05:05] |
asciilifeform | some people have jre installed for wurk, etc | [05:05] |
asciilifeform | and some people shit in their kitchen, yes | [05:05] |
mircea_popescu | on an actual machine ? | [05:05] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 76 @ 0.01493999 = 1.1354 BTC [+] | [05:05] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 258 @ 0.01494 = 3.8545 BTC [+] | [05:05] |
asciilifeform | you'd be surprised | [05:06] |
mircea_popescu | i guess. | [05:07] |
asciilifeform | jre is just a well-known egregous case. drive-bys are regularly discovered in just about every consumer browser | [05:07] |
mircea_popescu | but what the fuck for, seriously. | [05:07] |
asciilifeform | *egregious | [05:07] |
asciilifeform | my other point is that btc ups the ante for working on hard targets as well as soft ones. you can do some very nice MITM with a compromised router, for instance. | [05:09] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 27 @ 0.01512 = 0.4082 BTC [+] | [05:09] |
mircea_popescu | "I figured if I was ever the victim of a wallet stealing program, implementing a dummy in the default location would fool it and upload it, rather than my real one, to the attackers choice, but I was wrong." | [05:09] |
mircea_popescu | yeah srsly. | [05:09] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform give me an example. | [05:09] |
asciilifeform | re: btc specifically? | [05:09] |
optimator | ah - the empty-wallet-fake-em-out security measure | [05:10] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform re your router mitm | [05:10] |
mircea_popescu | optimator not sure why people imagine machines locate items by name | [05:11] |
asciilifeform | feel free to interpret my silence as proof that I'm full of shit, but personally I'm rather fond of living. | [05:11] |
mircea_popescu | Used bitcoin-qt and litecoin-qt. For the wallets, those encryption passwords were from memory. The truecrypt password, I always copied and pasted the password from a text file, on a USB drive, inside a password protected winrar file, inside of a password protected winrar file, inside of a password protected winrar file, totaling 3 different password protected rars to reach the .txt file. | [05:12] |
mircea_popescu | who the fuck designed this process ;/ | [05:12] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, thanks optimator, most entertaining link | [05:12] |
dub | I have to run 8 year old java versions | [05:12] |
asciilifeform | I'll mention one example from places far away. In certain countries, doctored root certs are routinely placed into default ms-windows installs wherever possible. | [05:12] |
mircea_popescu | i don't think it has anything to do with the 2fa mtgox issue but anyway | [05:12] |
dub | several different ones | [05:13] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform the ideea is, suppose i pass all my traffic through your controlled relay | [05:13] |
asciilifeform | then, mass MITM of gmail, etc | [05:13] |
mircea_popescu | a linux box, rather than a router, for convenience. | [05:13] |
mircea_popescu | so now what ? | [05:13] |
dub | almost every ssl cert in this environment is self signed and long epired | [05:13] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.549899 BTC [+] | [05:13] |
asciilifeform | now you go to a site with routinely botched ssl, like mtgox (at least in the recent past), and then click "what the hell" when your browser complains | [05:13] |
dub | such is corplife | [05:14] |
asciilifeform | alternatively, a drive-by is used to make your machine click "yes" for you. | [05:14] |
optimator | asciilifeform: don't forget this approach to compromising ssl sercurity - https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/sjs/how-the-nokia-browser-decrypts-ssl-traffic-a-man-in-the-client/ | [05:15] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform except i never use a site over https anyway | [05:15] |
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mircea_popescu | dub sux to be you bro. | [05:15] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: yes, the girls calculate RSA signatures for you with paper and pencil | [05:15] |
asciilifeform | or ought to | [05:15] |
dub | you'll find the same thing at most f500's | [05:15] |
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mircea_popescu | why do they need to calculate rsa or wut ? | [05:16] |
asciilifeform | to sign mpex messages? | [05:16] |
mircea_popescu | mpex is http | [05:16] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.5499 = 3.0998 BTC [+] | [05:16] |
asciilifeform | pgp over http (or, someday, over pigeon?) | [05:16] |
mircea_popescu | well yes | [05:17] |
mircea_popescu | you hadn't noticed ?! | [05:17] |
asciilifeform | yes | [05:17] |
asciilifeform | as it should be. but if a PC is involved, you might run into strange one day | [05:17] |
mircea_popescu | "x86 virtualization is about basically placing another nearly full kernel, full of new bugs, on top of a nasty x86 architecture which barely has correct page protection." | [05:17] |
mircea_popescu | great quote that. | [05:18] |
mircea_popescu | "Then running your operating system on the other side of this brand new pile of shit. You are absolutely deluded, if not stupid, if you think that a worldwide collection of software engineers who can't write operating systems or applications without security holes, can then turn around and suddenly write virtualization layers without security holes." | [05:18] |
asciilifeform | did I write that? | [05:18] |
mircea_popescu | i was actually thinking, is this our d friend ? | [05:18] |
mircea_popescu | http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1e79ig/how_were_my_encrypted_bitcoin_and_litecoin/c9xss1w | [05:18] |
asciilifeform | ok, wasn't me this time. but "I approve of this message (tm)" | [05:18] |
asciilifeform | vm escapes run the spectrum from the apocalyptic to the "it always worked this way and we don't give a fuck" | [05:19] |
asciilifeform | example of the latter: many (most?) xen installs let you set the virtual nic card into promiscuous mode if you root one running os | [05:20] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.5499 = 3.0998 BTC [+] | [05:20] |
mircea_popescu | um | [05:21] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.54995 = 4.6499 BTC [+] | [05:21] |
mircea_popescu | so what's the point of virtualization then | [05:21] |
asciilifeform | so you can rent a "server" to chumps without actually using one up | [05:21] |
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asciilifeform | it is like fractional reserve banking for the hosting business. | [05:22] |
asciilifeform | some machine architectures (ibm mainframes) had virtualization baked in in an intelligent way, vs. the x86 retrofit | [05:23] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.54998 = 7.7499 BTC [+] | [05:23] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 1.55 = 31 BTC [+] | [05:23] |
asciilifeform | but in the pc world it is used as an attempt to paper over the fact that the os sucks | [05:23] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 30 @ 1.55 = 46.5 BTC [+] | [05:23] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.59444 = 7.9722 BTC [+] | [05:24] |
mircea_popescu | o i see | [05:24] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 19 @ 1.5999 = 30.3981 BTC [+] | [05:24] |
mircea_popescu | this is not a bug as much as a hosting feature | [05:24] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.67 = 10.02 BTC [+] | [05:24] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.6799 BTC [+] | [05:24] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.69 BTC [+] | [05:25] |
asciilifeform | it not only lets you sell the same machine many times, but passes the security buck to the chump: "oh, you got rooted? your fault, should have patched yourself" | [05:25] |
mircea_popescu | "TC gives you a false sense of security so its worse than no partition encryption." | [05:25] |
mircea_popescu | this may actuallty be true | [05:25] |
asciilifeform | this is deeply and profoundly true. | [05:25] |
mircea_popescu | my impression of the general truecrypt population is that they're not particularly more secure than average | [05:25] |
mircea_popescu | just more preocupied with it | [05:25] |
optimator | asciilifeform: doesn't it work if you start with the base as the secure OS. Then virtualize your browsing OS, virtualize your bitcoind OS, virtualize your banking OS, but the base is secure | [05:25] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.01494 = 1.494 BTC [+] | [05:25] |
ezdiy | the more the tunnel vision, the more blind spots for obvious stuff | [05:26] |
asciilifeform | optimator: if the virtualization scheme has an escape (or even just leaks info) you're just as fucked | [05:26] |
asciilifeform | for instance, AFAIK most x86 virtualization setups leak info through the tlb cache (timing) | [05:27] |
optimator | assuming the base has been compromised, or our you suggesting the base could become compromised through a virtualized OS | [05:27] |
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asciilifeform | the latter. | [05:27] |
optimator | how? | [05:27] |
asciilifeform | optimator: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_machine_escape | [05:27] |
asciilifeform | and if you find a fresh one, I do hope you have better sense than to tell us. | [05:28] |
optimator | well fuck | [05:28] |
mircea_popescu | http://www.bitcoiney.com/psa-i-had-480-stolen-out-of-my-mt-gox-account-this-morning-despite-having-2-factor-identification-here-is-what-happened | [05:28] |
mircea_popescu | actually... there's an update to the story. | [05:29] |
asciilifeform | gotta love the advice to file a police report | [05:29] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 32 @ 0.01494 = 0.4781 BTC [+] | [05:29] |
mircea_popescu | totallyu. | [05:29] |
asciilifeform | "my house was raided by interstellar bandits, and they took my TV set to alpha centauri." - "please file a police report." | [05:30] |
asciilifeform | someone should sit with the chump, and patiently explain that mtgox doesn't talk to your yubikey. it talks to your idiot consumer pc that happens to have a yubikey plugged in, and a display that can output whatever your new owner wants it to. | [05:31] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform read on, she catches on. | [05:32] |
asciilifeform | wait a sec, this was your camgirl ? | [05:32] |
asciilifeform | the very same? | [05:32] |
mircea_popescu | "Edit2: I was finally able to log into my account and found an API key with full rights to everything. I never made one, wtf does this mean?" | [05:32] |
mircea_popescu | basically this is a stolen session | [05:33] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform one of, the one with the daytrading. | [05:33] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.69 BTC [+] | [05:34] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.01525 = 0.122 BTC [+] | [05:34] |
asciilifeform | the proper course of action in a case like this is to 1) publish a (sanitized) image of your hdd and 2) perform manly seppuku if necessary | [05:34] |
optimator | "If mircea trusts me with BTC I cant be too much of a fuckup." optimator wipes tear | [05:34] |
asciilifeform | the whining is disappointing | [05:35] |
mircea_popescu | eh you lot are just mean. | [05:35] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 105 @ 0.01525 = 1.6013 BTC [+] | [05:35] |
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asciilifeform | what, just because she's a girl? | [05:36] |
mircea_popescu | yeah. | [05:36] |
asciilifeform | that's no excuse: http://historum.com/asian-history/14743-jigai-vs-seppuku-japanese-female-suicide.html | [05:36] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [05:36] |
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mircea_popescu | anyway, as you say. mtgox does not talk to yubikey, it talks to teh computor. | [05:37] |
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asciilifeform | perhaps consumers should be encouraged rather than discouraged in their belief that their pc is alive and is inhabited by devils. | [05:38] |
mircea_popescu | i don't think she actually understood before what sessions are and how they work | [05:38] |
inhies | boobs | [05:39] |
asciilifeform | it is rather like, most people are only vaguely aware that they have livers, until the shot rings out and there is an extra bodily orifice suddenly present. | [05:39] |
optimator | asciilifeform: my vote for best laugh tonight | [05:39] |
mircea_popescu | imo sessions are this idiocy from hell. | [05:40] |
asciilifeform | the whole pc orchestra (incl. but not limited to wintel) is idiocy from hell. | [05:40] |
mircea_popescu | yes but this is worse. | [05:41] |
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mircea_popescu | actually tbh the "logged in" concept, rested on supposed sessionization of a stateless protocol is, imo, the most ridiculous idea of mankind to date. | [05:41] |
mircea_popescu | female circumcision makes comparatively a lot more sense. | [05:41] |
asciilifeform | but the chumps love it (except when they don't, yes) | [05:41] |
mircea_popescu | right | [05:42] |
optimator | convenience | [05:42] |
mircea_popescu | i mean when it was originally introduced it was like... fuck this shit, nobody cares, it's for some blog. | [05:42] |
mircea_popescu | "how bad can it get" etc. | [05:43] |
asciilifeform | my point, though, is that even if you dispense with the convenience of sessions and go the full-bore "hair shirt" with a paper one-time-pad or whatnot, a compromised machine is still a compromised machine. | [05:43] |
mircea_popescu | well... apparently it can get pretty bad. | [05:43] |
optimator | wasn't it all? I mean what could go wrong with a local hosts file? | [05:43] |
mircea_popescu | very true | [05:43] |
mircea_popescu | i guess in the competition for "worst idea to date" they're all winners. | [05:44] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.675 BTC [-] | [05:44] |
asciilifeform | the one common idea here is that keeping one's money in a public toilet is a Bad Thing. | [05:44] |
mircea_popescu | esp if your money smells | [05:45] |
mircea_popescu | worse than the toilet | [05:45] |
dub | but.. thats where I spend it? | [05:45] |
mircea_popescu | i thought that;'s where you made it. | [05:45] |
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dub | lol | [05:45] |
mircea_popescu | somebody needs to make a new tcp/ip stack | [05:45] |
mircea_popescu | one that crypts natively | [05:45] |
mircea_popescu | basically a sort of otr for ip | [05:46] |
asciilifeform | on a new machine architecture, that crypts ram/disk natively, and a number of other essentials... | [05:46] |
dub | call it bittoken ring | [05:46] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform yeah | [05:46] |
mircea_popescu | ideally your machine would come with a one disk onetimepad | [05:46] |
mircea_popescu | 1tb or w/e worth of it. | [05:46] |
mod6 | that'd be pretty cool | [05:46] |
mircea_popescu | throw it out when done | [05:47] |
asciilifeform | except that phrasing the problem as a failure to encrypt is misleading | [05:47] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform no it's not. identity is cryptity. | [05:47] |
asciilifeform | well yes | [05:47] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.01525 = 0.1983 BTC [+] | [05:47] |
asciilifeform | but when you routinely unearth the plaintext onto potentially-compromised hardware, you are shitting in your kitchen | [05:47] |
mircea_popescu | the problem quite fundamentally is a pretense to have identity outside of cryptography | [05:47] |
mircea_popescu | no such thing is possible. | [05:47] |
mircea_popescu | anything pretending to exist outside of a cryptographic identity is living in a state of sin. | [05:48] |
asciilifeform | recall the story by your PR girl? | [05:48] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform which one ? | [05:48] |
optimator | mircea_popescu: trust, you have to start somewhere | [05:48] |
mircea_popescu | optimator no but look, the very notion of identity, ie, the possibility to distinguish X from Adam | [05:49] |
mircea_popescu | rests strictly on some form of encryption. | [05:49] |
asciilifeform | this one: http://thewhet.net/2012/shall-be-delivered/ | [05:49] |
mircea_popescu | but i mean *strictly*. | [05:49] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform a yes | [05:49] |
asciilifeform | and, of course, the grandfather of them all: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cold_Equations | [05:50] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1000 @ 0.00285 = 2.85 BTC [-] | [05:50] |
optimator | mircea_popescu: yes, but all predicated on trust - even WoT has issues scaling | [05:50] |
mircea_popescu | what issues specifically ? | [05:50] |
optimator | the further you are away from x+1 the less trust you can have | [05:51] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 124 @ 0.01525 = 1.891 BTC [+] | [05:51] |
mircea_popescu | so ? | [05:51] |
optimator | how do I know my banking site is *really* my banking site | [05:52] |
mircea_popescu | because they sign your slip with their signature. | [05:52] |
asciilifeform | what most people don't get is that your computer is your priest, doctor, and shrink all in one box: http://glyf.livejournal.com/46589.html | [05:52] |
optimator | how do I get their public key? | [05:52] |
mircea_popescu | optimator you exchange keys when you start your relationship | [05:52] |
mircea_popescu | you give them yours they give you theirs as part of account opening | [05:52] |
optimator | right. x+1 | [05:53] |
asciilifeform | you are trusting the work of ten thousand people (some of whom think your flesh is rather tasty) when you ask it to represent the world to your eyes and act on your behalf. | [05:53] |
mircea_popescu | optimator for some reason i don't see the problem you see ? | [05:53] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 62 @ 0.0153 = 0.9486 BTC [+] | [05:53] |
asciilifeform | imagine if someone were to "root" your eyes and your hands. | [05:54] |
mircea_popescu | "Participants in the DRM debate implicitly hold the view that the ownership of your operating system, your personal information, and your media is a complex, joint relationship between you, your operating system vendor, the authors of the applications you run, and the owners of any media that pass through that application. Prevailing wisdom is that the way any given software behaves should be jointly determined by all | [05:54] |
mircea_popescu | these parties, factoring in all their interests, and that the argument is simply a matter of degree: who should be given how much control, and by what mechanism." | [05:54] |
mircea_popescu | lmao good one. | [05:54] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 188 @ 0.0153 = 2.8764 BTC [+] | [05:54] |
mircea_popescu | only an american could actually think this. | [05:54] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01544 = 0.772 BTC [+] | [05:54] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.0155 = 0.31 BTC [+] | [05:55] |
asciilifeform | "The "you don't own your computer" paradigm is not merely wrong. It is violently, disastrously wrong, and the consequences of this error are likely to be felt for generations to come, unless steps are taken to prevent it." | [05:55] |
mircea_popescu | i don't think it's anything of the sort. | [05:55] |
mircea_popescu | a computer is clearly defined. | [05:55] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.01495 = 0.0299 BTC [+] | [05:55] |
mircea_popescu | the chinese may make plaster things which on the surface look like computers | [05:56] |
mircea_popescu | and try to inject tyhem into trade as combuders or w/e | [05:56] |
mircea_popescu | this has no bearing. | [05:56] |
mircea_popescu | a computer is a computer. | [05:56] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0153 BTC [-] | [05:56] |
optimator | following the example... if I want to transfer money via wire to another bank, then my bank establishes a relationship with bank b. I trust the key exchange has worked. Bank b is X+2. For X-n the WoT breaks down | [05:56] |
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mircea_popescu | optimator if you transfer money via wire you send it to your bank with instructions | [05:56] |
mircea_popescu | they send it to their correspondent with instructions | [05:57] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: yes, but the false implication is that someone, somewhere on Planet 3 can actually buy a computer. in actual fact, they can only buy a "combuder." | [05:57] |
mircea_popescu | nobody promoted you to the job of wire central clearance house. | [05:57] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform i don't seem to have much trouble buying a computer | [05:57] |
optimator | no that's where I *trust* | [05:57] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: I sincerely hope you're joking | [05:57] |
mircea_popescu | your objections re x86 architecture aside | [05:58] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.0153 = 0.1224 BTC [-] | [05:58] |
mircea_popescu | the fact that one can still hack banks to this day is proof enough | [05:58] |
optimator | how about firmware signed with their public key. I have to trust they exchanged it with A who exchanged it with B that finally gets to me | [05:58] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0159 BTC [+] | [05:58] |
mircea_popescu | optimator so ? | [05:58] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: the fact that all of your assets appear to be roughly where they are supposed to be is proof only of your good fortune. | [05:58] |
optimator | What is it does A->B->c->D and c is the bad guy? | [05:59] |
mircea_popescu | optimator recently we've had some practical testing of this. | [05:59] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 84 @ 0.0153 = 1.2852 BTC [-] | [05:59] |
mircea_popescu | you can to this day send orders to mpex via proxies no matter how dirty. | [05:59] |
mircea_popescu | the most they can do is relay. | [05:59] |
asciilifeform | banks, interestingly, don't terribly mind being hackable, because sovereigns can sort of reverse their fuckups for them. and at any rate, they pass the cost onto chumps. | [05:59] |
asciilifeform | btc is where the cold equations meet your skin up close and personal | [06:00] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform you read that excellent piece re base vs acid ? | [06:00] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: ? | [06:00] |
optimator | asciilifeform: please we call it a haircut, don't refer to the customers as chumps | [06:00] |
mircea_popescu | http://highscalability.com/blog/2013/5/1/myth-eric-brewer-on-why-banks-are-base-not-acid-availability.html | [06:00] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 70 @ 0.0159 = 1.113 BTC [+] | [06:00] |
mircea_popescu | in general commerce has always worked on the basis of reconciliation | [06:01] |
asciilifeform | no serious surprise here | [06:01] |
optimator | mircea_popescu: I agree your model works, but if, in my example, c does bad stuff - I don't think you can tell. You simple have trusted others in the chain | [06:01] |
mircea_popescu | optimator so ? | [06:02] |
mircea_popescu | just because you're a shut-in doesn't mean the world can work on your paradigm. | [06:02] |
ThickAsThieves | TAT.ASICMINER just passed S.MPOE for all time sales volume on BTCT.co | [06:02] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 29 @ 0.0159 = 0.4611 BTC [+] | [06:02] |
mircea_popescu | trust is central to society, and to the continuation of teh species. | [06:02] |
asciilifeform | so far, whenever banks get burned, ultimately some nice fellows with printing presses (or automatic weapons, if need be) show up to make them whole again. | [06:02] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.01495 = 0.7475 BTC [+] | [06:02] |
optimator | ha! idk, i just see it as an issue - maybe just me - sure | [06:02] |
mircea_popescu | optimator i don't even mean you personally | [06:03] |
asciilifeform | btc is the first step into the fun world of interstellar commerce, where fuckups are between you and your gods to cry over | [06:03] |
mircea_popescu | i'm just saying, a relationship of trust isn't a weakpoint per se. it can be a strongpoint. | [06:03] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.016 = 0.48 BTC [+] | [06:03] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves so good for you. | [06:04] |
asciilifeform | anyone who cried over the ending of "shall be delivered" (http://thewhet.net/2012/shall-be-delivered/) hasn't really made peace with the cold equations yet. | [06:04] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 150 @ 0.01615 = 2.4225 BTC [+] | [06:04] |
asciilifeform | "who do you sue when your parachute doesn't open" | [06:05] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.01615 = 0.4038 BTC [+] | [06:06] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 448 @ 0.01495 = 6.6976 BTC [+] | [06:10] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 19 @ 0.01615 = 0.3069 BTC [+] | [06:16] |
KRS-1 | Zzzzzzzzzz somebody do something | [06:16] |
KRS-1 | I'm about to go back to forex | [06:16] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [06:17] |
asciilifeform | recall the fellow in MP's comments who implied that secure systems were used by banks to secure "trillion dollar transactions" ? | [06:18] |
asciilifeform | http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/some-basic-discussion-of-bitcoin-macroeconomy/ | [06:18] |
asciilifeform | trillion dollar transactions in fiat are secured via "Ultima Ratio Regum." | [06:19] |
asciilifeform | http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ultima_Ratio_Regum_Cannon.jpg | [06:19] |
asciilifeform | in btc, we will need actual mechanical security. | [06:19] |
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mircea_popescu | um | [06:25] |
* | KRS-1 looks around...tap tap tap.. | [06:27] |
KRS-1 | what was gox volume this time last year | [06:30] |
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optimator | oh geez, I just got sucked into Tilde’s story | [06:36] |
KRS-1 | ~ | [06:36] |
mircea_popescu | which ? | [06:36] |
optimator | http://thewhet.net/2012/shall-be-delivered/ | [06:37] |
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mircea_popescu | a | [06:37] |
optimator | broken trust | [06:37] |
optimator | but I say that with a :( | [06:38] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.674999 BTC [-] | [06:38] |
mircea_popescu | yeah | [06:39] |
optimator | so on to happier thoughts | [06:40] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.674999 BTC [-] | [06:46] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.675 = 3.35 BTC [+] | [06:47] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.69 = 10.14 BTC [+] | [06:47] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.01615 = 0.0969 BTC [+] | [06:56] |
mircea_popescu | lol this irs/teaparty thing is going great. | [06:59] |
mircea_popescu | i think putin is loling hard atm. | [06:59] |
mod6 | haha, he probably is | [07:02] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.01616 = 0.1454 BTC [+] | [07:02] |
mircea_popescu | soon there's goping to be all this us persecuted intellectuals flocking to the russian embassy | [07:02] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.01616 = 0.1778 BTC [+] | [07:02] |
mircea_popescu | a la depardieu | [07:03] |
mod6 | they say that more people have turned in their US passports this year than in any other year in history. | [07:06] |
mircea_popescu | this is true | [07:06] |
mircea_popescu | same was true of 2012 | [07:06] |
mircea_popescu | rich skilled people leave to asia and the middle east, poor people arive from latin america. "the us is becoming browner" | [07:07] |
mod6 | http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2013/05/08/citizenship-taxes-irs/ << 670 from the looks of this article. | [07:08] |
mod6 | from what I've read, it seems like mexican immigration to the U.S has slowed signifigantly in the last few years... | [07:09] |
mircea_popescu | well i was taking a more decades average sort of thing | [07:10] |
mod6 | oh yeah. then for sure. | [07:10] |
mircea_popescu | on a yearly basis yeah, immigration isn't what the 80s used to be | [07:10] |
mod6 | when I lived in Tucson, it was crazy. there were like bodies being found in the desert all the time that had died from exposure. | [07:11] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 22 @ 0.01616 = 0.3555 BTC [+] | [07:11] |
mod6 | so they had these volunteer programs that people would participate in to drop off water in the desert where people could find it... and even shoes with maps sewed into the tounges to help people find the way through the desert. | [07:12] |
mod6 | srsly. | [07:12] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 22 @ 0.01616 = 0.3555 BTC [+] | [07:13] |
mircea_popescu | heh | [07:13] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.4644 = 1.3932 BTC [+] | [07:13] |
mod6 | when i first moved down there 10 years ago, there wasn't any real border patrol presense, but now? huge. | [07:14] |
dub | hrm | [07:15] |
dub | I should cash out of bfl | [07:15] |
mircea_popescu | lol what | [07:15] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 47 @ 0.01619 = 0.7609 BTC [+] | [07:15] |
dub | someone talking about paying 45btc for a 4000 range preorder in the auction forum | [07:15] |
mircea_popescu | what product is that / | [07:16] |
dub | 65gh single | [07:16] |
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dub | im wondering what they would pay for a FPGA single with a 1700 (first 24hrs) upgrade order | [07:17] |
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optimator | dub: at current diff you'd earn 45 btc in 20 days. | [07:18] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.01619 = 0.0486 BTC [+] | [07:18] |
dub | meaningless but true | [07:19] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 97 @ 0.01619 = 1.5704 BTC [+] | [07:19] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.69 = 5.07 BTC [+] | [07:19] |
optimator | well 45 btc now is a hedge against difficulty increase | [07:19] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.69 = 11.83 BTC [+] | [07:19] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01619 = 0.0324 BTC [+] | [07:22] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.0162 = 0.324 BTC [+] | [07:24] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.0162 = 0.0972 BTC [+] | [07:25] |
mircea_popescu | optimator no, it's a hedge against bfl never delivering it | [07:28] |
optimator | well that too | [07:29] |
optimator | I'd like to think they're just incompetent rather than executing the long con | [07:30] |
mircea_popescu | they are incompetently executing the randomcon | [07:31] |
optimator | lol | [07:31] |
mod6 | trollcon | [07:32] |
mod6 | heh, remember when vrag would battle these guys? i miss that. | [07:36] |
mircea_popescu | *???? | [07:37] |
mircea_popescu | Disclaimer: I don't know the much about stock/shares, etc and I don't have the ability to program such a complex piece of software – but I believe I can make it happen and think this is currently a good idea. Please critque my idea. I'm open minded about all of it. | [07:37] |
mircea_popescu | fucking shot these people. | [07:37] |
mircea_popescu | mod6 ya, pity he disapeared himself. | [07:37] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.654005 BTC [-] | [07:38] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.654004 BTC [-] | [07:39] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.654 BTC [-] | [07:39] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.65 = 3.3 BTC [-] | [07:39] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.64 BTC [-] | [07:39] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.63 BTC [-] | [07:39] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.69 = 3.38 BTC [+] | [07:40] |
mod6 | Whatever I can do to help (javascript programmer). << lol | [07:42] |
mod6 | who styles themselfs as a JS programmer anyway!? eek | [07:43] |
mircea_popescu | i think pigeons recalls this exchange some kids were starting about mid 2012 | [07:43] |
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mircea_popescu | or maybe just after glbse death | [07:43] |
mircea_popescu | it had an irc chan andeverything | [07:43] |
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Scrat | JS programmer == I'm a huge faggot please rape my face | [07:47] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.01616 = 0.1131 BTC [-] | [07:47] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.01615 = 0.21 BTC [-] | [07:47] |
mircea_popescu | Scrat more like, im 14 and trying to get into this computer stuff. | [07:47] |
* | Scrat is a pretty good js programmer | [07:48] |
Scrat | no MP, that's visual basic | [07:48] |
mod6 | lol but i doubt you run around telling people about it, Scrat | [07:48] |
Diablo-D3 | >ks | [07:49] |
Diablo-D3 | er | [07:49] |
Diablo-D3 | >js | [07:49] |
mircea_popescu | he codes malboge compilers in js | [07:49] |
Diablo-D3 | >programming | [07:49] |
Diablo-D3 | wat | [07:49] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 17 @ 1.69 = 28.73 BTC [+] | [07:49] |
* | mod6 looks up malboge and lulz | [07:50] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 224 @ 0.0162 = 3.6288 BTC [+] | [07:50] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 250 @ 0.0163 = 4.075 BTC [+] | [07:51] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.0165 = 0.33 BTC [+] | [07:51] |
dub | the problem with selling the bfl order | [07:51] |
dub | is forum | [07:51] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.69 = 6.76 BTC [+] | [07:52] |
dub | suppose I could pay someone to proxy | [07:52] |
mircea_popescu | i recomend usagi. | [07:52] |
dub | sounds legit | [07:52] |
Diablo-D3 | lol usagi | [07:52] |
Diablo-D3 | whatever happened to him | [07:52] |
Diablo-D3 | is he in jail yet | [07:52] |
mircea_popescu | hopefully mnw buys it | [07:53] |
mircea_popescu | so then dub will have sold his putative inaba product to mnw via usagi | [07:53] |
mircea_popescu | btc is going through 200 per with this design | [07:53] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.69 = 8.45 BTC [+] | [07:53] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.7 BTC [+] | [07:55] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.1 BTC [-] | [07:55] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.01559999 BTC [+] | [07:57] |
Diablo-D3 | so | [07:58] |
Diablo-D3 | I wonder if the btcmc stock DMC owns will ever be worth something | [07:58] |
optimator | dub: it seems the better hype to reward factor is on ebay | [07:58] |
optimator | i mean 1700 order fpga trade in asic 65 gh/s has a lot of buzz words in it | [08:00] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 33 @ 0.017 = 0.561 BTC [+] | [08:01] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.7 BTC [+] | [08:02] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 265 @ 0.015 = 3.975 BTC [-] | [08:05] |
dub | http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/14/opinion/my-medical-choice.html?_r=3& | [08:07] |
Chaang-Noi | odd asicminer on btct.co is 1.7 | [08:07] |
dub | if MNW buys it I'm shipping with bonus ricin | [08:07] |
Chaang-Noi | dub, ill help! | [08:07] |
dub | I don't hink they make ricin from rice | [08:08] |
Chaang-Noi | we ahve beans here too | [08:08] |
dub | something like ebola would be more fun | [08:08] |
Chaang-Noi | none of that here, but i agree | [08:09] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.699999 BTC [-] | [08:11] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.7 BTC [+] | [08:11] |
BitHub | woooo 1.7 | [08:12] |
BitHub | what a beast | [08:12] |
Chaang-Noi | lol i was trying to get infront of them orders | [08:12] |
mircea_popescu | I made a decision to have a preventive double mastectomy. | [08:12] |
Chaang-Noi | fuck btct.co is slow | [08:12] |
mircea_popescu | this is perverse | [08:12] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.69999 = 16.9999 BTC [-] | [08:12] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.7 = 8.5 BTC [+] | [08:13] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.01644 = 0.0493 BTC [-] | [08:14] |
Diablo-D3 | man, it should be illegal to have a preventative mastectomy | [08:14] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 20 @ 0.003155 = 0.0631 BTC [+] | [08:14] |
Diablo-D3 | punishment, you shall be permanently mounted on a framework where people will fuck you all day long | [08:15] |
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Diablo-D3 | since they cant play with your tits, your ass and cunt will be good enough | [08:15] |
mircea_popescu | doesnt sound like such punishment | [08:15] |
BitHub | mah god | [08:15] |
Diablo-D3 | [08:15] | |
BitHub | this beast is going to get to 2btc a share before next div | [08:15] |
* | Diablo-D3 runs | [08:15] |
mircea_popescu | besides, she's got some baloons installed | [08:15] |
Diablo-D3 | mircea_popescu: its just not the same thing, really | [08:15] |
mircea_popescu | she claims it is. | [08:15] |
Diablo-D3 | ever feel up a chick with fake tits? | [08:15] |
mircea_popescu | sounded more like a weirdo ad than anything, but anyway. | [08:15] |
mircea_popescu | yes. | [08:15] |
Diablo-D3 | you can TELL its not the real thing | [08:16] |
mircea_popescu | depends | [08:16] |
Diablo-D3 | I have never felt a set of fake tits that felt real | [08:17] |
Diablo-D3 | they dont feel real, they dont look real | [08:17] |
mircea_popescu | in general the cheaper/older jobs are suckier | [08:17] |
mod6 | Diablo-D3 wants tits to authenticate with gribble first | [08:17] |
mircea_popescu | but the better/newer stuff is passible | [08:17] |
Diablo-D3 | mircea_popescu: well, the real problem is | [08:18] |
Diablo-D3 | some chick gets a set of Ds, right? | [08:18] |
Diablo-D3 | NO SAG | [08:18] |
mircea_popescu | well no d's | [08:18] |
mircea_popescu | very large jobs are of course evident | [08:18] |
Diablo-D3 | anything bigger than an A needs sag | [08:18] |
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mircea_popescu | "In neighboring Venezuela, where implants are so popular they are sometimes even given to girls by their parents as a 15th birthday gift or as prizes in fund-raising raffles, there were frissons of anxiety among the many thousands of surgically enhanced women." | [08:20] |
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mircea_popescu | anyway, off for today. take it ezzy all | [08:21] |
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mod6 | night | [08:22] |
* | Now talking on #bitcoin-assets | [15:29] |
* | Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com/ | [15:29] |
* | Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 13 14:15:50 2013 | [15:29] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 393 @ 0.016305 = 6.4079 BTC [+] | [15:31] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01637 = 1.637 BTC [+] | [15:31] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01644 = 1.644 BTC [+] | [15:32] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01655 = 1.655 BTC [+] | [15:32] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01664 = 0.832 BTC [+] | [15:32] |
mircea_popescu | ;;ticker | [15:35] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 118.82003, Best ask: 118.89000, Bid-ask spread: 0.06997, Last trade: 118.89000, 24 hour volume: 24707.07845915, 24 hour low: 116.02500, 24 hour high: 119.54900, 24 hour vwap: 117.87356 | [15:35] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01639 = 0.8195 BTC [-] | [15:36] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 75 @ 0.01644 = 1.233 BTC [+] | [15:36] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01655 = 1.655 BTC [+] | [15:37] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01659 = 1.659 BTC [+] | [15:37] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 125 @ 0.01664 = 2.08 BTC [+] | [15:38] |
kakobrekla | wtf is diz nuts https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=180717.0 | [15:38] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.7499 = 6.9996 BTC [+] | [15:39] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01669 = 1.669 BTC [+] | [15:40] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.75 = 7 BTC [+] | [15:40] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.75 = 7 BTC [+] | [15:40] |
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Namworld | What's wrong with that? | [15:40] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01669 = 1.669 BTC [+] | [15:41] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.7589 = 3.5178 BTC [+] | [15:41] |
Chaang-Noi | all stocks are dead buy asic miner? | [15:41] |
Chaang-Noi | but* | [15:41] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01662 = 0.831 BTC [-] | [15:41] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01669 = 0.8345 BTC [+] | [15:42] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01657 = 0.8285 BTC [-] | [15:42] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01669 = 0.8345 BTC [+] | [15:42] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01669 = 0.8345 BTC [+] | [15:43] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla more of the same ripple stuff neh ? | [15:44] |
mircea_popescu | it's how it works. | [15:44] |
mircea_popescu | "Security: | [15:44] |
mircea_popescu | • Without giving details, we have created a redundant system. The web front end is separated from the server." | [15:44] |
kakobrekla | dunno i just skimmed through it and looks wtf. | [15:44] |
mircea_popescu | "we won't mention where we got this from, god forbid we actually get some market goodwill" | [15:44] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01667 BTC [-] | [15:44] |
mircea_popescu | well most ripple looks wtf, at least to my untrained eye./ | [15:45] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 12 @ 0.01667 = 0.2 BTC [-] | [15:45] |
Chaang-Noi | ripple does not seem like it will ever work | [15:45] |
Chaang-Noi | maybe i guess if enough people but money and time into it, but they will have to all trust each other, seems risky | [15:46] |
Chaang-Noi | esp when we ahve btc, ripple seems like a step backwards to me. | [15:46] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.01662 = 0.0831 BTC [-] | [15:46] |
Chaang-Noi | mp, you heard about the newest reptilia lulz? | [15:46] |
mircea_popescu | i must have missed it | [15:46] |
ThickAsThieves | CNN needs time to buy some bitcoin | [15:47] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;title http://money.cnn.com/2013/05/14/investing/bremmer-bitcoin/index.html?hpt=hp_t3 | [15:47] |
gribble | Error: This url is not on the whitelist. | [15:47] |
mircea_popescu | lol whoa | [15:47] |
Chaang-Noi | seems he was robbede and the hotel overcharged him | [15:47] |
mircea_popescu | Chaang-Noi o that. heh. | [15:47] |
mircea_popescu | as in the hotel charged him for the damage to the room | [15:47] |
mircea_popescu | and the hookers expected to be paid ? | [15:47] |
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Chaang-Noi | i kinda doubt either happened | [15:47] |
ThickAsThieves | convenient this article promotes Amazon and AMEX coins | [15:48] |
Chaang-Noi | i think he just booked shit for 20 people and no one showed up, and then btc went down when he thought it would be 1000 | [15:48] |
ThickAsThieves | news or advertising, you be the judge... | [15:48] |
mircea_popescu | Chaang-Noi that too. | [15:48] |
Chaang-Noi | just my guess, i did not fully check out everything | [15:48] |
Chaang-Noi | he lol, he seems like a nutter, i dont think he will ever get his supernode network set up if he acts like this | [15:49] |
ThickAsThieves | can i buy a supernode with XRP? | [15:49] |
Chaang-Noi | im not sure | [15:49] |
ThickAsThieves | hehe | [15:49] |
Chaang-Noi | from his chart it would seems so, as long as you convert it to btc | [15:50] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.7589 = 3.5178 BTC [+] | [15:50] |
ThickAsThieves | if so, I'll hop on my unicorn and make delivery | [15:50] |
Chaang-Noi | but you are ging to need about all the rippels evar | [15:50] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.7589 = 5.2767 BTC [+] | [15:51] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.01659 = 0.4148 BTC [-] | [15:52] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1059 BTC [-] | [15:53] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.778 = 5.334 BTC [+] | [15:54] |
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Chaang-Noi | lol ltc be free fallin | [15:54] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.1059 = 0.2118 BTC [-] | [15:55] |
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mircea_popescu | http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/the-poster-child-for-github-retardation/ | [15:56] |
mircea_popescu | github has jumped the shark. | [15:56] |
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Chaang-Noi | jumped a shark eh? | [15:57] |
Chaang-Noi | i almost ran into a croc 2 days ago on the fucking highway | [15:58] |
mircea_popescu | Chaang-Noi its an idiomatic. | [15:58] |
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Chaang-Noi | yeah i assumed cuz of context | [15:59] |
Chaang-Noi | but it made me think of that croc on the highway | [15:59] |
mircea_popescu | it's when a show goes rto shit | [15:59] |
mircea_popescu | especially a long running thing like a serial | [15:59] |
Chaang-Noi | never seen that shit before | [15:59] |
Chaang-Noi | man its only 8 pm and im tired as fuck | [16:00] |
mircea_popescu | http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/JumpingTheShark | [16:00] |
Chaang-Noi | ahh cuz the fin, interesting | [16:01] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 1.77 = 15.93 BTC [-] | [16:02] |
Chaang-Noi | 1.77 insane | [16:02] |
Namworld | I shouldn't have sold at .41 I guess... | [16:02] |
Chaang-Noi | :) | [16:02] |
Chaang-Noi | i sold some at .4 | [16:03] |
ThickerThanThiev | insane | [16:03] |
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mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves i like how your recent asset is somehow dominating the older oens | [16:04] |
mircea_popescu | am i missing something here ?! | [16:04] |
ThickAsThieves | well, market is telling me I need to sell 5% below | [16:04] |
ThickAsThieves | due to me keeping 5% of divs | [16:04] |
ThickAsThieves | which shows you market's bad math | [16:04] |
ThickAsThieves | but oh well | [16:05] |
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mircea_popescu | hey, more power to you. | [16:05] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 18 @ 0.00358 = 0.0644 BTC [-] | [16:07] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.77 BTC [-] | [16:07] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.779 BTC [+] | [16:10] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.7795 = 7.118 BTC [+] | [16:10] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 167 @ 0.00358 = 0.5979 BTC [-] | [16:10] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.779999 BTC [+] | [16:10] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.779999 = 5.34 BTC [+] | [16:11] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.78 = 5.34 BTC [+] | [16:11] |
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Uglux | "The question in any gold rush is who will do better: the people mining, or the people selling the shovels? ASICMiner decided they can do both." ---> this | [16:17] |
Chaang-Noi | :) | [16:17] |
Chaang-Noi | they are going to do what ever is more profitable | [16:18] |
mircea_popescu | Uglux https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=201268.msg2141827#msg2141827 that. | [16:19] |
Uglux | "who will be spending 2 BTC on gear that will never in its useful lifetime mine 2 BTC." I wil solo mine with 4 sticks and a rpi for the lulz :) | [16:23] |
Uglux | div paid it already :P | [16:23] |
mircea_popescu | right | [16:23] |
mircea_popescu | but this isn't economical thinking. | [16:23] |
mircea_popescu | this is just hobbist having fun. | [16:23] |
mircea_popescu | not a basis for discussing finance. | [16:23] |
Namworld | Which means if mining ever becomes very unprofitable, ASICMINER can just keep selling at a profit to hobbyists... | [16:25] |
Namworld | Unless someone really beat them hard time on cost performance | [16:26] |
mircea_popescu | Namworld http://bitbet.us/bet/450/bitfurys-asic-will-work-with-power-1/ for instance. | [16:27] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.77 BTC [-] | [16:30] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.77 BTC [-] | [16:31] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 7 @ 0.01608999 = 0.1126 BTC [+] | [16:33] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 18 @ 0.01608999 = 0.2896 BTC [+] | [16:34] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.223315 BTC [+] | [16:36] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 240 @ 0.00358 = 0.8592 BTC [-] | [16:37] |
* | kakobrekla has changed the topic to: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com - most days worth reading, I heard. | [16:38] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 8 @ 0.000666 = 0.0053 BTC [-] | [16:39] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [16:39] |
mircea_popescu | i wonder how long that lasts. | [16:39] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01628 = 1.628 BTC [-] | [16:46] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01627 = 1.627 BTC [-] | [16:46] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01626 = 1.626 BTC [-] | [16:46] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 200 @ 0.01625 = 3.25 BTC [-] | [16:46] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01649 = 1.649 BTC [+] | [16:50] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01655 = 1.655 BTC [+] | [16:51] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.01659 = 0.4148 BTC [+] | [16:53] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 75 @ 0.01659 = 1.2443 BTC [+] | [16:53] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 75 @ 0.01659 = 1.2443 BTC [+] | [16:53] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01659 = 1.659 BTC [+] | [16:54] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.016201 = 1.6201 BTC [-] | [16:54] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 45 @ 0.01662 = 0.7479 BTC [+] | [16:54] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 105 @ 0.01662 = 1.7451 BTC [+] | [16:55] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01662 = 0.831 BTC [+] | [16:55] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.01608999 = 0.0644 BTC [+] | [16:56] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.1001 BTC [-] | [16:57] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.01665 = 0.1166 BTC [+] | [16:57] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.01665 = 0.4995 BTC [+] | [16:57] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 28 @ 0.01608999 = 0.4505 BTC [+] | [16:58] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 14 @ 0.4646 = 6.5044 BTC [+] | [16:59] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.46474008 = 0.9295 BTC [+] | [16:59] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 24 @ 0.46475 = 11.154 BTC [+] | [16:59] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.4646 = 1.3938 BTC [-] | [17:00] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.4646 = 0.9292 BTC [-] | [17:00] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 72 @ 0.01629 = 1.1729 BTC [+] | [17:02] |
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davout | assbot should come in #bitcoin-anal | [17:10] |
davout | x) | [17:10] |
kakobrekla | lol | [17:12] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00067909 = 3.2936 BTC [-] | [17:12] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 579 @ 0.00068011 = 0.3938 BTC [+] | [17:12] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5071 @ 0.00068146 = 3.4557 BTC [+] | [17:12] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01639 = 0.8195 BTC [-] | [17:14] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 2 @ 0.00206 = 0.0041 BTC [-] | [17:15] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01643 = 0.8215 BTC [+] | [17:17] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 2.15 = 4.3 BTC [+] | [17:18] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.764895 BTC [-] | [17:18] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01646 = 0.823 BTC [+] | [17:21] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01646 = 0.823 BTC [+] | [17:22] |
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ThickAsThieves | BTCTC totally stalls every time someone makes an order | [17:23] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.76648 BTC [+] | [17:23] |
ThickAsThieves | could i crash the prices if i put in a bunch of Qty 1 orders? ;) | [17:24] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [+] | [17:24] |
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mircea_popescu | lol getting goxed | [17:26] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.766945 BTC [+] | [17:26] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01649 = 0.8245 BTC [+] | [17:27] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.76798 BTC [+] | [17:28] |
ThickAsThieves | it's very interesting to see the volume difference across these 3 exchanges | [17:28] |
ThickAsThieves | BTCT is killing it | [17:28] |
ThickAsThieves | the Havelock had a great first few days | [17:28] |
ThickAsThieves | and sold the most overall | [17:28] |
ThickAsThieves | but has stalled | [17:28] |
ThickAsThieves | and Bitfunder is like waaaay behind | [17:28] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.767489 BTC [-] | [17:29] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01649 = 0.8245 BTC [+] | [17:29] |
ThickAsThieves | also intersting that people are leaving cheaper shares in Butfunder alone | [17:29] |
mircea_popescu | it seems ukto's decision to split off didn't work out for him then, i recall it was about at parity with btctc | [17:29] |
ThickAsThieves | split off? | [17:29] |
mircea_popescu | six months or so ago | [17:29] |
ThickAsThieves | they were a team? | [17:29] |
mircea_popescu | well didn't he make his own chan and everything rather than pipe into assbot ? | [17:30] |
ThickAsThieves | i'm not quite sure his reasoning there | [17:30] |
ThickAsThieves | he tells me it's that web socket is just better | [17:30] |
ThickAsThieves | but his bot does die often | [17:30] |
ThickAsThieves | he has live orderbooks | [17:30] |
ThickAsThieves | so that helps | [17:30] |
ThickAsThieves | but i do prefer asbot | [17:30] |
ThickAsThieves | assbot* | [17:30] |
ThickAsThieves | all things in one place | [17:31] |
mircea_popescu | you mean like $depth ? | [17:31] |
ThickAsThieves | like if you have an asset page up | [17:31] |
ThickAsThieves | he has AJAX or sumth | [17:31] |
mircea_popescu | o it ajaxes ? | [17:31] |
mircea_popescu | yeah | [17:31] |
ThickAsThieves | its pretty neat | [17:31] |
ThickAsThieves | but | [17:31] |
ThickAsThieves | i still want tickers in channel | [17:31] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.0165 = 0.825 BTC [+] | [17:31] |
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ThickAsThieves | i'm trying to sort out why BF is not popular | [17:32] |
mircea_popescu | yea | [17:32] |
mircea_popescu | i think that's why. | [17:32] |
ThickAsThieves | so the assbot acts as free aadvertising | [17:32] |
ThickAsThieves | i also think that you need two accounts to use BF hurts it | [17:33] |
ThickAsThieves | Weex / BF | [17:33] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01652 = 0.826 BTC [+] | [17:33] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.0165 = 0.825 BTC [-] | [17:35] |
ll | i dont use it for that reason | [17:35] |
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ThickAsThieves | once you have it set up its not a big deal | [17:36] |
ThickAsThieves | but i can see how it acts as initial barrier | [17:36] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01652 = 0.826 BTC [+] | [17:37] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.76878 BTC [+] | [17:39] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01655 = 0.8275 BTC [+] | [17:40] |
knotwork_ | Anyone know anything about CAvirtex? Like whether anyone has gotten any withdrawals from them lately at all? | [17:41] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01655 = 0.8275 BTC [+] | [17:41] |
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mircea_popescu | afaik some people have been waitingfor some time. | [17:41] |
ThickAsThieves | interesting | [17:42] |
ThickAsThieves | maybe Canada wants to close them too | [17:42] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4 BTC [-] | [17:42] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01655 = 0.8275 BTC [+] | [17:43] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.76888 BTC [+] | [17:43] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01655 = 0.8275 BTC [+] | [17:44] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01655 = 0.8275 BTC [+] | [17:46] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.769 = 3.538 BTC [+] | [17:47] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01655 = 0.8275 BTC [+] | [17:49] |
knotwork_ | My bank xfer is within its days (from friday) but "same day" payza transfers from sat and sun are not at payza yet | [17:49] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01658 = 0.829 BTC [+] | [17:49] |
ThickAsThieves | so basically, not one publically traded bitcoin exchange has worked out yet | [17:50] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.769 BTC [+] | [17:50] |
mircea_popescu | yeah. | [17:50] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 15 @ 0.01629 = 0.2444 BTC [+] | [17:53] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01658 = 0.829 BTC [+] | [17:53] |
kakobrekla | i was dreaming that yest. | [17:54] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 4 @ 0.01 = 0.04 BTC [+] | [17:54] |
kakobrekla | srs | [17:54] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01655 BTC [-] | [17:54] |
ThickAsThieves | dreaming about virtex? | [17:54] |
ThickAsThieves | geez, BTCTC is hanging for like minutes for each order... | [17:55] |
ThickAsThieves | goxed indeed | [17:55] |
kakobrekla | about ipo of some clearing house in panama or some shit | [17:55] |
ThickAsThieves | panamirtex | [17:56] |
ThickAsThieves | panex | [17:56] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01661 = 0.8305 BTC [+] | [17:56] |
ThickAsThieves | gox isnt going anywhere any time soon | [17:57] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 49 @ 0.01655 = 0.811 BTC [-] | [17:57] |
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ThickAsThieves | cuz every reason really, other than not being exemplary | [17:58] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01661 = 0.8305 BTC [+] | [17:58] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01661 = 0.8305 BTC [+] | [17:59] |
ThickAsThieves | i guess you could say they are institutionalized at this point | [17:59] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.01665 = 0.2165 BTC [+] | [18:00] |
ThickAsThieves | surely, but comes with much stress | [18:00] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.01665 = 0.4163 BTC [+] | [18:00] |
ThickAsThieves | if they can keep their heads they can continue to make bank | [18:00] |
ThickAsThieves | for years | [18:01] |
jcpham | derp | [18:01] |
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ThickAsThieves | maybe even be the bank | [18:01] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.01665 = 0.4163 BTC [+] | [18:01] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.01665 = 0.4163 BTC [+] | [18:02] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01659 = 1.659 BTC [-] | [18:02] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 18 @ 0.01659 = 0.2986 BTC [-] | [18:02] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 163 @ 0.01629 = 2.6553 BTC [+] | [18:03] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 75 @ 0.01633 = 1.2248 BTC [+] | [18:04] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 425 @ 0.01638 = 6.9615 BTC [+] | [18:04] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 82 @ 0.01659 = 1.3604 BTC [-] | [18:06] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 167 @ 0.01649 = 2.7538 BTC [+] | [18:11] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00329987 = 3.2999 BTC [+] | [18:15] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 515 @ 0.00329988 = 1.6994 BTC [+] | [18:15] |
ThickAsThieves | 230+84+15+2 | [18:15] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 80 @ 0.01842 = 1.4736 BTC [+] | [18:15] |
ThickAsThieves | oops | [18:15] |
ThickAsThieves | ignore | [18:15] |
ThickAsThieves | this is obv not a calc | [18:16] |
kakobrekla | its a password! | [18:17] |
ThickAsThieves | oh noes! | [18:17] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.01659 = 0.083 BTC [-] | [18:17] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.01659 = 0.0664 BTC [-] | [18:19] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1031 BTC [-] | [18:21] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 10 @ 0.000721 = 0.0072 BTC [-] | [18:22] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 66 @ 0.01659 = 1.0949 BTC [-] | [18:22] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 8 @ 0.00072 = 0.0058 BTC [-] | [18:22] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 8050 @ 0.00307188 = 24.7286 BTC [-] | [18:23] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00072 BTC [-] | [18:24] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.2849 BTC [+] | [18:24] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.2849 = 0.8547 BTC [+] | [18:24] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.764498 BTC [-] | [18:24] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 20 @ 0.0007 = 0.014 BTC [-] | [18:25] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 10 @ 0.0007 = 0.007 BTC [-] | [18:26] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.764878 BTC [+] | [18:26] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.465 BTC [-] | [18:27] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 30 @ 0.0007 = 0.021 BTC [-] | [18:27] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.765 BTC [+] | [18:27] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.767488 BTC [+] | [18:29] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 200 @ 0.01659 = 3.318 BTC [-] | [18:30] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 20 @ 0.00066 = 0.0132 BTC [-] | [18:30] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 20 @ 0.00064 = 0.0128 BTC [-] | [18:32] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01662 = 1.662 BTC [+] | [18:32] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.01662 = 0.4155 BTC [+] | [18:34] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 41 @ 0.01662 = 0.6814 BTC [+] | [18:35] |
kakobrekla | ;;calc 140/118 | [18:35] |
gribble | 1.18644067797 | [18:35] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01662 BTC [+] | [18:35] |
kakobrekla | ;;calc 118/140 | [18:36] |
gribble | 0.842857142857 | [18:36] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.74 BTC [-] | [18:38] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 6 @ 0.00062 = 0.0037 BTC [-] | [18:42] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 30 @ 0.0007 = 0.021 BTC [+] | [18:44] |
gribble | 4 | [18:46] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.01659 = 0.3318 BTC [-] | [18:46] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.2849 = 1.1396 BTC [+] | [18:47] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 12 @ 0.01659 = 0.1991 BTC [-] | [18:54] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.764897 BTC [+] | [18:54] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01654 = 1.654 BTC [-] | [18:55] |
error4733 | 1.7 wtf with you ppl | [18:59] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 30 @ 0.01649 = 0.4947 BTC [+] | [19:00] |
error4733 | why no 1 tell me that when its was 0.2btc/30$ | [19:00] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.730011 BTC [-] | [19:00] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.01649 = 0.0495 BTC [+] | [19:02] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.01649 = 0.066 BTC [+] | [19:04] |
Namworld | I bought some at 0.10 | [19:06] |
Namworld | I sold at 0.41... | [19:06] |
Namworld | I regret | [19:06] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.01659 = 0.0995 BTC [+] | [19:07] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.45 BTC [-] | [19:07] |
error4733 | miss the perfect trade, sold SD @0.07 and bought AM @0. | [19:08] |
error4733 | 0.1 | [19:08] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01659 BTC [+] | [19:08] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 61 @ 0.01659 = 1.012 BTC [+] | [19:08] |
error4733 | @Namworld: sorry for your lost !! why did you sold btw ? | [19:08] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 83 @ 0.01662 = 1.3795 BTC [+] | [19:10] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.01665 = 0.4163 BTC [+] | [19:12] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.01665 = 0.4163 BTC [+] | [19:13] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.01665 = 0.1499 BTC [+] | [19:13] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [RSM] 2 @ 0.0075 = 0.015 BTC [-] | [19:14] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.75 = 8.75 BTC [+] | [19:14] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4 BTC [-] | [19:15] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [RSM] 15 @ 0.01 = 0.15 BTC [+] | [19:15] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 46 @ 0.01649 = 0.7585 BTC [+] | [19:16] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.730011 BTC [+] | [19:16] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.4 = 2.8 BTC [-] | [19:17] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [RSM] 83 @ 0.011 = 0.913 BTC [+] | [19:17] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 16 @ 0.01665 = 0.2664 BTC [+] | [19:17] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 150 @ 0.01665 = 2.4975 BTC [+] | [19:17] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 37 @ 0.01667 = 0.6168 BTC [+] | [19:17] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 113 @ 0.01667 = 1.8837 BTC [+] | [19:18] |
ThickAsThieves | So, what do you guys think a share of AM will be worth in 4 weeks? | [19:18] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01667 = 0.8335 BTC [+] | [19:18] |
ThickAsThieves | I mean market price on exchanges, not a snarky personal value | [19:18] |
error4733 | TAKE MY BITCOIN !!! | [19:18] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 10 @ 0.000869 = 0.0087 BTC [+] | [19:18] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00087 BTC [+] | [19:19] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 49 @ 0.00091 = 0.0446 BTC [+] | [19:19] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 350 @ 0.000968 = 0.3388 BTC [+] | [19:19] |
error4733 | depend on news and power release ? i've no share so i not follow | [19:19] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 110 @ 0.01672 = 1.8392 BTC [+] | [19:20] |
ThickAsThieves | also hardware sales | [19:20] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1000 @ 0.00097 = 0.97 BTC [+] | [19:20] |
error4733 | i read they have 20% of all networks | [19:20] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 46 @ 0.01672 = 0.7691 BTC [+] | [19:20] |
ThickAsThieves | i'm fairly bullish for the next few weeks | [19:20] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 35 @ 0.00099 = 0.0347 BTC [+] | [19:20] |
ThickAsThieves | but outlook for a month gets foggy | [19:20] |
ThickAsThieves | mostly because AM mining hashrate goals continue to move | [19:21] |
ThickAsThieves | and dunno what competitors will do | [19:21] |
error4733 | 20% it's huuuge | [19:22] |
ThickAsThieves | value has to top somewhere | [19:22] |
error4733 | do you thinks they can go up to 20% | [19:22] |
jcpham | can't believe i bought asicminer shares so cheap | [19:23] |
error4733 | 720btc EVERY single day haha, | [19:23] |
ThickAsThieves | I think if hits 2btc per share | [19:23] |
ThickAsThieves | you'll see people starting to sell of their board seats | [19:23] |
jcpham | ThickAsThieves i was thinking 2.5 is dump time | [19:23] |
ThickAsThieves | off* | [19:24] |
ThickAsThieves | 2.5 might never come | [19:24] |
jcpham | 2.2 is a valuation per share i've seen tossed around | [19:24] |
ThickAsThieves | thats my target | [19:24] |
jcpham | yeah it's really high | [19:24] |
error4733 | always the same story, i'm too late or not haha | [19:24] |
ThickAsThieves | i figure once it hits 2, itll have once last rally | [19:24] |
ThickAsThieves | then fall | [19:24] |
jcpham | surely it's going to fall | [19:25] |
ThickAsThieves | but this is pretty much a guessing game | [19:25] |
jcpham | urite | [19:25] |
error4733 | how much the last div ? | [19:25] |
ThickAsThieves | .011 | [19:25] |
error4733 | it's everyweek no ? | [19:25] |
ThickAsThieves | this one stands to be much higher | [19:25] |
ThickAsThieves | yeah | [19:25] |
jcpham | yep | [19:25] |
ThickAsThieves | they sold like 180 blades | [19:25] |
ThickAsThieves | plus X SUBminers | [19:26] |
ThickAsThieves | USB | [19:26] |
jcpham | lots of bitcoins | [19:26] |
error4733 | it's already include in the weekly div ? | [19:26] |
ThickAsThieves | not yet | [19:26] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.735 = 5.205 BTC [+] | [19:26] |
ThickAsThieves | if they pay out all the money from blades thats .02 alone | [19:26] |
jcpham | friedcat is running one hell of an organization froma fucking forum thread | [19:27] |
ThickAsThieves | mining will be at least .014 | [19:27] |
jcpham | kudos | [19:27] |
ThickAsThieves | howevr | [19:27] |
ThickAsThieves | with that kind of income | [19:27] |
ThickAsThieves | i suspect he needs to do some reinvesting | [19:27] |
ThickAsThieves | and wont pay it ALL out | [19:27] |
ThickAsThieves | i hope | [19:27] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 44 @ 0.01672 = 0.7357 BTC [+] | [19:27] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01678 = 1.678 BTC [+] | [19:28] |
error4733 | soo i need 150 week (at actual div) to break even ? | [19:28] |
error4733 | i miss something ? | [19:28] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 150 @ 0.01678 = 2.517 BTC [+] | [19:28] |
ThickAsThieves | come to papa | [19:28] |
ThickAsThieves | sales are DEAD on bitfunder :/ | [19:29] |
jborkl | error4733 , it is very easy to figure out - about 25000 bitcoins are mined a week / percentage of network AM has / 400,000 shares + hardware sales | [19:30] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.01681 = 0.2522 BTC [+] | [19:30] |
jborkl | + HW sales /400000 | [19:30] |
ThickAsThieves | even if you pay 1.75 for your share | [19:31] |
ThickAsThieves | this week's div could be 2% | [19:31] |
ThickAsThieves | if you get brave and turn that into APR... | [19:31] |
jborkl | that is correct | [19:31] |
ThickAsThieves | then get even more risky and turn that into compounded APR | [19:32] |
ThickAsThieves | with reinvestment... | [19:32] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.4199 BTC [+] | [19:32] |
ThickAsThieves | 2BTC/share becomes obvious | [19:32] |
jborkl | price depends on what people are willing to have as a APR | [19:32] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.42 = 0.84 BTC [+] | [19:32] |
error4733 | ok, where i sign ? | [19:32] |
ThickAsThieves | hehe | [19:32] |
ThickAsThieves | but at Bitfunder man | [19:32] |
jborkl | 100 APR or 30 APR | [19:32] |
ThickAsThieves | cheapest there | [19:32] |
ThickAsThieves | or Havelock | [19:33] |
jborkl | personally, I like Havelock the best | [19:33] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.43 BTC [+] | [19:33] |
ThickAsThieves | as an issuer | [19:33] |
jborkl | After MPEX of course | [19:33] |
ThickAsThieves | I def prefer Havelock | [19:33] |
ThickAsThieves | i'd sell my AM PT on mpex too, but that's like selling swampland to MP I think | [19:34] |
jborkl | well, the last PT was a nightmare - so I do not blame him | [19:34] |
ThickAsThieves | yeah | [19:34] |
ThickAsThieves | nothing good is forced, i say | [19:34] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves i would guess it most depends on bitfury atm | [19:35] |
ThickAsThieves | really there could easily be a private version of BitFury too | [19:36] |
mircea_popescu | indeed. | [19:36] |
ThickAsThieves | no need to broadcast your intentions | [19:36] |
ThickAsThieves | just build the things and grab 20% of the network | [19:36] |
ThickAsThieves | or more | [19:36] |
mircea_popescu | if indeed the guy can deliver in the petahash range... | [19:36] |
ThickAsThieves | someone pointed out that the petahash thing would be a power problem | [19:36] |
mircea_popescu | gamechanger. | [19:36] |
mircea_popescu | if he's under 1w/gh as he says, then it's 1mw | [19:37] |
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ThickAsThieves | i'm kinda calloused on new mining ventures though | [19:38] |
ThickAsThieves | I'll believe it when they ship it | [19:38] |
mircea_popescu | i can see why lol | [19:38] |
mircea_popescu | he did risk a lot of money on it tho, and he doesn't really have preorders or even a site | [19:38] |
mircea_popescu | but who;'s to know at this point. | [19:38] |
ThickAsThieves | if i were gonna run a scam, i'd have no issue frontng 100btc | [19:39] |
ThickAsThieves | to legitimize it | [19:39] |
mircea_popescu | ya but what's the scam ? it was clear with bfl, what with the website and google ads etc | [19:40] |
ThickAsThieves | if enough people join in the bet | [19:40] |
ThickAsThieves | he can bet the other side | [19:40] |
ThickAsThieves | and come out clean | [19:40] |
mircea_popescu | not really, math it out | [19:40] |
ThickAsThieves | clean enough | [19:40] |
ThickAsThieves | marketing expense | [19:41] |
ThickAsThieves | i'm not saying its a scam | [19:41] |
mircea_popescu | but marketing for what, if he's betting the other side. | [19:41] |
ThickAsThieves | just that a 100btc doesnt prove he isnt | [19:41] |
mircea_popescu | certainly doesn't prove it. | [19:41] |
ThickAsThieves | so, | [19:42] |
ThickAsThieves | as you may or may not know | [19:42] |
ThickAsThieves | Friedcat said he'd ship "test" blades to each board member | [19:42] |
ThickAsThieves | this never happened | [19:42] |
ThickAsThieves | but it is built in as a perk | [19:42] |
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ThickAsThieves | in all the PT offerings | [19:42] |
ThickAsThieves | including mine | [19:42] |
ThickAsThieves | I contemplated just buying one now, to 1-up the competition | [19:43] |
ThickAsThieves | this would be a marketing expense | [19:43] |
ThickAsThieves | ive mostly ruled out the idea | [19:43] |
ThickAsThieves | but i could easily spin it | [19:43] |
ThickAsThieves | to make TAT.AM appealing | [19:43] |
ThickAsThieves | and command market pricer | [19:43] |
ThickAsThieves | price* | [19:43] |
ThickAsThieves | thoughts? | [19:43] |
ThickAsThieves | they cost 50btc | [19:44] |
ThickAsThieves | plus bullshit time of running one | [19:44] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 6 @ 0.46475 = 2.7885 BTC [+] | [19:45] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.01681 = 0.0504 BTC [+] | [19:46] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.01681 = 0.0672 BTC [+] | [19:47] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 20 @ 0.016512 = 0.3302 BTC [+] | [19:48] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.75498 BTC [+] | [19:48] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 85 @ 0.01674 = 1.4229 BTC [-] | [19:49] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.75978 BTC [+] | [19:49] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 42 @ 0.01669 = 0.701 BTC [-] | [19:50] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.75978 BTC [+] | [19:51] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.759999 BTC [+] | [19:52] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.76 BTC [+] | [19:53] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.75988 BTC [-] | [19:54] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.01669 = 0.3338 BTC [-] | [19:54] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.762498 BTC [+] | [19:55] |
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jcpham | http://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/1e9veg/bitcoin_will_tear_down_civilization/ | [19:56] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.01674 = 0.2511 BTC [+] | [19:57] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01677 = 1.677 BTC [+] | [19:57] |
ThickAsThieves | i skimmed like 3 phrases | [19:58] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 78 @ 0.01681 = 1.3112 BTC [+] | [19:58] |
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ThickAsThieves | wild assumptions of doomsday scenarios | [19:58] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01685 = 1.685 BTC [+] | [19:58] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01688 = 1.688 BTC [+] | [19:59] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.75988 BTC [-] | [20:02] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.75988 BTC [-] | [20:02] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 67 @ 0.017 = 1.139 BTC [+] | [20:02] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01703 = 1.703 BTC [+] | [20:03] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 49 @ 0.01715 = 0.8404 BTC [+] | [20:08] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 8 @ 0.411004 = 3.288 BTC [-] | [20:09] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.411003 BTC [-] | [20:09] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.411003 BTC [-] | [20:09] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01725 = 1.725 BTC [+] | [20:11] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.01725 = 0.4313 BTC [+] | [20:12] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 33 @ 0.01725 = 0.5693 BTC [+] | [20:12] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.016251 = 0.0325 BTC [-] | [20:13] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.2233 BTC [-] | [20:15] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.0175 = 0.175 BTC [+] | [20:16] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 75 @ 0.01747 = 1.3103 BTC [-] | [20:16] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.0175 = 0.875 BTC [+] | [20:17] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.0175 = 0.0875 BTC [+] | [20:17] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00357 BTC [-] | [20:17] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.767986 = 7.0719 BTC [+] | [20:17] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.2849 = 1.4245 BTC [+] | [20:18] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 95 @ 0.0175 = 1.6625 BTC [+] | [20:18] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 73 @ 0.017589 = 1.284 BTC [+] | [20:19] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 230 @ 0.016512 = 3.7978 BTC [+] | [20:20] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.2849 = 0.8547 BTC [+] | [20:21] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.2849 BTC [+] | [20:21] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 52 @ 0.017588 = 0.9146 BTC [-] | [20:21] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.746 = 3.492 BTC [-] | [20:24] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.017512 BTC [-] | [20:24] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 60 @ 0.01749 = 1.0494 BTC [-] | [20:27] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01745 = 0.0349 BTC [-] | [20:29] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.76797 BTC [+] | [20:29] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.767986 BTC [+] | [20:30] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.76797 BTC [-] | [20:30] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [RSM] 17 @ 0.011 = 0.187 BTC [+] | [20:31] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.735 BTC [-] | [20:31] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.011 BTC [+] | [20:31] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.73001 = 6.92 BTC [-] | [20:32] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.720008 BTC [-] | [20:35] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.199697 BTC [+] | [20:39] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.1997 BTC [+] | [20:39] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 2 @ 0.1998 = 0.3996 BTC [+] | [20:39] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 12 @ 0.016512 = 0.1981 BTC [+] | [20:41] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.15 BTC [+] | [20:44] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.2849 = 1.9943 BTC [+] | [20:45] |
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mircea_popescu | asciilifeform handpicked for your sheer delight : deacon meets mpoe-pr. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=186043.msg2145731#msg2145731 | [20:49] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00067632 = 3.0434 BTC [-] | [20:50] |
inhies | aright | [20:50] |
inhies | who broke btctc | [20:50] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 38 @ 0.016512 = 0.6275 BTC [+] | [20:51] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 62 @ 0.01655 = 1.0261 BTC [+] | [20:51] |
mircea_popescu | inhies what do you mean ? | [20:55] |
inhies | https://btct.co/ | [20:55] |
inhies | Error: | [20:55] |
inhies | Xcoind backend failure in getbalance at 77 | [20:55] |
illumin | yeah been down for a while | [20:56] |
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ThickAsThieves | booo | [20:56] |
ThickAsThieves | works for me | [20:56] |
inhies | i was JUST looking at it | [20:56] |
inhies | boooooooo | [20:56] |
inhies | i was gonn buy some TAT | [20:56] |
inhies | but oh well | [20:56] |
mircea_popescu | hm | [20:57] |
inhies | ThickAsThieves: wanna cut me a deal? | [20:57] |
ThickAsThieves | maybe | [20:57] |
inhies | fwiw, the api still appears to be up | [20:57] |
ThickAsThieves | pm if you are serious | [20:57] |
mircea_popescu | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=148291.0 | [20:57] |
inhies | i am but not for any real quantity :p | [20:57] |
mircea_popescu | apparently it happens | [20:57] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.024 BTC [+] | [20:58] |
ThickAsThieves | it happened last week too | [20:58] |
inhies | i never got my code done for the btctc api | [20:58] |
ThickAsThieves | cant handle all this action | [20:58] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 63 @ 0.01655 = 1.0427 BTC [+] | [21:02] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 200 @ 0.01655 = 3.31 BTC [+] | [21:02] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.104 BTC [+] | [21:02] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 9 @ 0.1059 = 0.9531 BTC [+] | [21:02] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 38 @ 0.01655 = 0.6289 BTC [+] | [21:05] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 38 @ 0.01649 = 0.6266 BTC [-] | [21:06] |
ThickAsThieves | Havelock has a little trouble with heavy use too | [21:06] |
Ukto | btw, i am not sure about 'splitting off' | [21:07] |
Ukto | I have had the bitfunder channel since well, Bitfunder launched | [21:07] |
Ukto | I had a bot made for this channel primarily to handle peoples requests, was told no, so stuck it in bitfunder. not really "splitting off" | [21:08] |
ThickAsThieves | kako says no to your hipster bot :/ | [21:08] |
ThickAsThieves | but I really would like to see reliable Bitfunder trades firing in here | [21:08] |
inhies | agreed | [21:09] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 20 @ 0.01842 = 0.3684 BTC [+] | [21:09] |
inhies | its not like its hard to do :( | [21:10] |
inhies | but apparently assbot's owner doesnt wanna do | [21:10] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 4 @ 0.01848 = 0.0739 BTC [+] | [21:10] |
kakobrekla | the what | [21:10] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01849 BTC [+] | [21:10] |
kakobrekla | doesnt wanna do what | [21:10] |
kakobrekla | implementing assbot is 2 min of work, ask anybody who has done it | [21:11] |
inhies | i mean adding bitfunder to it | [21:11] |
inhies | instead of having a second bot in here | [21:11] |
kakobrekla | i gave him the spec | [21:11] |
kakobrekla | as he asked. | [21:11] |
kakobrekla | not much more i can do | [21:11] |
inhies | is there soemting i could do? | [21:12] |
kakobrekla | except for suckin his dick. | [21:12] |
* | inhies sucks Ukto's dick | [21:12] |
inhies | you like baby? | [21:12] |
inhies | fitty cent | [21:12] |
Ukto | right | [21:12] |
inhies | kakobrekla: you said theres a spec for assbot. is there some way i could parse the trade data and send it to assbot ? | [21:12] |
Ukto | i dont have time to setup that stuff atm | [21:12] |
Ukto | I have biger things than adding support for a channel of another 30 users | [21:13] |
Ukto | how about this | [21:13] |
Ukto | Anyone here who does NOT CURRENTLY USE BITFUNDER, would you activly trade on and use bitfunder if it was streaming in irc? | [21:13] |
Ukto | if i get more than 30 users say yes | [21:14] |
kakobrekla | lol | [21:14] |
Ukto | then i will dedicated all the time needed to it | [21:14] |
Ukto | but seeing as half the channel actively uses bf already | [21:14] |
Ukto | i dont trhink its a real issue | [21:14] |
ThickAsThieves | there arent evne 30 people that speak in here | [21:14] |
ThickAsThieves | thats not a good indicator | [21:14] |
ThickAsThieves | also | [21:14] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 63 @ 0.0169 = 1.0647 BTC [-] | [21:15] |
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ThickAsThieves | it certainly doesnt HURT you to stream in here | [21:15] |
ThickAsThieves | as i see it | [21:15] |
ThickAsThieves | I am Joe Smith with intentions of growing my exchange | [21:15] |
ThickAsThieves | i learn of awesome channel that will let me stream my trades there | [21:15] |
ThickAsThieves | i think to myself | [21:16] |
ThickAsThieves | i wonder how much theyd charge me to stream there too | [21:16] |
ThickAsThieves | free, you say?! | [21:16] |
ThickAsThieves | I'll get right on it! | [21:16] |
kakobrekla | who said it was free? | [21:16] |
ThickAsThieves | oh | [21:16] |
ThickAsThieves | hehe | [21:17] |
ThickAsThieves | you get my point though | [21:17] |
ThickAsThieves | it's good outreach | [21:17] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 33 @ 0.00304 = 0.1003 BTC [+] | [21:17] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00304 BTC [+] | [21:18] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.0169 = 0.0338 BTC [-] | [21:19] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01735 = 0.0347 BTC [+] | [21:20] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.017351 BTC [+] | [21:21] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.764999 BTC [+] | [21:24] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.765 = 10.59 BTC [+] | [21:24] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 11 @ 1.7676 = 19.4436 BTC [+] | [21:24] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.76797 BTC [+] | [21:24] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 11 @ 1.767999 = 19.448 BTC [+] | [21:24] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 10 @ 0.1059 = 1.059 BTC [+] | [21:25] |
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inhies | i would like to see it here | [21:27] |
inhies | but im also in #bitfunder so its not a deal breaker | [21:27] |
inhies | and i can always run my own ticker in a terinal window | [21:27] |
kakobrekla | sure give me a signed statement from ukto that he approves you sending in data in his name and you can implement it | [21:28] |
ThickAsThieves | but the BF bot isnt reliable | [21:29] |
ThickAsThieves | it disappears often | [21:29] |
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kakobrekla | speaking of :) | [21:31] |
ThickAsThieves | aww assbot, dont be mad | [21:32] |
inhies | kakobrekla: so bot ticker quotes are legally binding? | [21:33] |
ThickAsThieves | hehe | [21:33] |
ThickAsThieves | yes they are mpex receipts | [21:33] |
kakobrekla | no i just dont want him to come here and say 'wtf is this shit' | [21:33] |
ThickAsThieves | MP guarantees all | [21:33] |
ThickAsThieves | :) | [21:33] |
kakobrekla | people rely on this info | [21:34] |
kakobrekla | iirc someone made even irc parser for trades | [21:34] |
inhies | kakobrekla: if you want Ukto's signature, there's better ways | [21:35] |
kakobrekla | why is the sig a problem | [21:36] |
kakobrekla | it takes 5s to do | [21:36] |
inhies | its not | [21:36] |
mircea_popescu | well no but letting 3rd party in the line is kinda risky | [21:36] |
* | inhies manipulates the datas | [21:36] |
inhies | why cant assbot just parse the data coming from bitfunder? | [21:36] |
inhies | why's it suck a pita? | [21:36] |
mircea_popescu | inhies wouldn't even have to be deliberately you know ? | [21:36] |
Namworld | How rude can people be... | [21:36] |
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kakobrekla | it will prolly ping timeoout again | [21:38] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0028 BTC [-] | [22:23] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.0028 = 0.0056 BTC [-] | [22:23] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.75 = 5.25 BTC [-] | [22:23] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.75 = 3.5 BTC [-] | [22:23] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00068157 = 4.6347 BTC [+] | [22:23] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.75 = 3.5 BTC [-] | [22:23] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 36 @ 0.0166 = 0.5976 BTC [-] | [22:23] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.0165 = 1.65 BTC [-] | [22:23] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 77 @ 0.01629 = 1.2543 BTC [-] | [22:23] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.01629 = 0.0652 BTC [-] | [22:23] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.75 BTC [-] | [22:23] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.017355 BTC [+] | [22:23] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.01719 = 0.1031 BTC [-] | [22:23] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.75 = 5.25 BTC [-] | [22:23] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.11 BTC [-] | [22:23] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.17297 BTC [-] | [22:23] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.01719 = 0.1719 BTC [-] | [22:23] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 85 @ 0.01699 = 1.4442 BTC [-] | [22:23] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.15 BTC [+] | [22:23] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01719 = 0.0344 BTC [+] | [22:23] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.75 = 5.25 BTC [-] | [22:23] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.749999 BTC [-] | [22:29] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.1 BTC [-] | [22:30] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.75 BTC [+] | [22:30] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 19 @ 1.75 = 33.25 BTC [+] | [22:30] |
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Diablo-D3 | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5707441 | [22:32] |
Diablo-D3 | what | [22:32] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.05 BTC [-] | [22:33] |
mircea_popescu | yeah. | [22:33] |
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mircea_popescu | they were raided in japan a few weeks ago too | [22:33] |
mircea_popescu | what's the surprise here ? | [22:33] |
error4733 | yes, gozzila come to ask private key | [22:35] |
jborkl | I logged into Dwolla and can verify that is most likely accurate | [22:36] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.75 = 5.25 BTC [+] | [22:36] |
jborkl | They have been removed from Dwolla | [22:37] |
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benkay | HOHO | [22:39] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 36 @ 0.01709 = 0.6152 BTC [-] | [22:39] |
ThickAsThieves | for realz? | [22:39] |
benkay | popcorn time | [22:39] |
ThickAsThieves | dwolla/gox is done? | [22:39] |
ThickAsThieves | is there a more reliable link somewhere? | [22:39] |
ThickAsThieves | other than some png file | [22:40] |
jborkl | I logged into my Dwolla account and I am not a retard, it is not available right now. signed me | [22:40] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01709 BTC [-] | [22:41] |
error4733 | it's big % ? | [22:41] |
ThickAsThieves | hmm | [22:41] |
ThickAsThieves | i logged into to mine but dont see anything | [22:41] |
jborkl | try sending a $ | [22:41] |
inhies | o wat | [22:42] |
Diablo-D3 | ;;ticker | [22:42] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 118.54999, Best ask: 118.56000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01001, Last trade: 118.56000, 24 hour volume: 26615.66637578, 24 hour low: 116.02500, 24 hour high: 119.80002, 24 hour vwap: 118.48201 | [22:42] |
ThickAsThieves | i'm all cashed out | [22:42] |
ThickAsThieves | so not worried | [22:42] |
benkay | nah | [22:42] |
benkay | idiot faucet's dunzo though | [22:42] |
ThickAsThieves | i wonder if they got Campbx too | [22:42] |
Diablo-D3 | [03:33:29] |
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Diablo-D3 | raided for what, exactly | [22:42] |
Diablo-D3 | they comply with the law | [22:42] |
ThickAsThieves | that was a joke | [22:42] |
jborkl | They are gone from the system, it says User no longer available | [22:42] |
benkay | and that wasn't a hoax? | [22:42] |
mircea_popescu | this is an easy thing to claim | [22:42] |
mircea_popescu | "they comply with the law" | [22:42] |
Diablo-D3 | sounds like more wall street bullshit | [22:43] |
error4733 | ;;eightball This is a hoax ? | [22:43] |
gribble | The answer is a resounding no. | [22:43] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 70 @ 0.01709 = 1.1963 BTC [-] | [22:43] |
mircea_popescu | Diablo-D3 yeah. let me tell you a story about wallstreet. | [22:43] |
jborkl | Send to* | [22:43] |
jborkl | The user to send to could not be found. | [22:43] |
mircea_popescu | mtgox thinks mpex is "illegal". mtgox thinks it is legal. | [22:43] |
mircea_popescu | coinbase thinks "it is bringing bitcoin to wallstreet" | [22:44] |
mircea_popescu | mtgox is getting fucked. | [22:44] |
mircea_popescu | add it up and get some conclusion. | [22:44] |
ThickAsThieves | so | [22:44] |
ThickAsThieves | this will cause a price run up right? | [22:44] |
ThickAsThieves | as people try to get out of gox cash | [22:44] |
ThickAsThieves | that used to use dwolla | [22:44] |
benkay | briefly | [22:44] |
inhies | uh | [22:44] |
inhies | so | [22:44] |
benkay | then the easy spigot goes away | [22:44] |
inhies | yea | [22:44] |
inhies | dwolla says user 812-649-1010 not found | [22:44] |
Diablo-D3 | mircea_popescu: except coinbase doesnt actually exist | [22:44] |
Diablo-D3 | and I wish people would quit talking about it | [22:45] |
error4733 | correct me but dwolla is for small amount ? with the fee etc.. | [22:45] |
mircea_popescu | kinda the point. | [22:45] |
Diablo-D3 | its just another scam like bfl and bitcoinica | [22:45] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 54 @ 0.01709 = 0.9229 BTC [-] | [22:45] |
ThickAsThieves | i used dwolla a ot | [22:45] |
ThickAsThieves | was fast | [22:46] |
jborkl | you could send $5000 a time for 25 cents | [22:46] |
ThickAsThieves | cheap | [22:46] |
ThickAsThieves | a lot* | [22:46] |
ThickAsThieves | dwolla also works with campbc | [22:46] |
ThickAsThieves | campbx | [22:46] |
ThickAsThieves | wonder if thats intact | [22:46] |
error4733 | k, i'm not US based so, not very aware about dwolla | [22:46] |
ThickAsThieves | it was by far the easiest way to move $ with gox | [22:46] |
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Diablo-D3 | campbx? | [22:48] |
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error4733 | backfire related to coinbase case ? | [22:49] |
iz | that's what i first thought also | [22:49] |
iz | part of coinbase's lawyers doing their thing | [22:49] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 2.1499 = 6.4497 BTC [+] | [22:50] |
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benkay | that would be some good lawyering | [22:50] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 36 @ 0.0167 = 0.6012 BTC [+] | [22:51] |
ThickAsThieves | for giggles: http://www.coinlab.com/ | [22:52] |
mircea_popescu | new mpex byline on this occasion. | [22:52] |
ThickAsThieves | hehe | [22:52] |
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ThickAsThieves | a tad cryptic | [22:53] |
jborkl | coinlab, we made a website and added a gox quote to it, that is $75 million now | [22:53] |
jborkl | ? | [22:53] |
kakobrekla | 75$ of damage | [22:54] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 32 @ 0.01699 = 0.5437 BTC [-] | [22:54] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 19 @ 0.01699 = 0.3228 BTC [-] | [22:54] |
Diablo-D3 | so if I wanted to sell 480btc, how would I do it? | [22:54] |
mircea_popescu | braindamage. | [22:54] |
ThickAsThieves | lotsa ways | [22:54] |
jborkl | well, they did have to buy a domain name for 4.99 i guess | [22:54] |
ThickAsThieves | if you dont wanna be tracked | [22:54] |
ThickAsThieves | sell otc | [22:54] |
ThickAsThieves | or localbitcoins and such | [22:55] |
ThickAsThieves | if you are okay with AML/KYC | [22:55] |
ThickAsThieves | campbx will do dwolla, money order, ACH | [22:55] |
ThickAsThieves | you can buy gift cards with some of your btc | [22:55] |
ThickAsThieves | to spend on amazon shit etc | [22:55] |
ThickAsThieves | etc etc | [22:55] |
Diablo-D3 | I dont trust these companies with AML/KYC | [22:56] |
Diablo-D3 | they havent proven they are properly storing the data securely as per the law | [22:56] |
ThickAsThieves | US doesnt trust companies without it | [22:56] |
Diablo-D3 | they arent banks | [22:56] |
ThickAsThieves | banks dont deal in bitcoin | [22:56] |
Diablo-D3 | not my problem | [22:56] |
ThickAsThieves | sounds like it is | [22:56] |
Diablo-D3 | its very easy to securely store data, why have they not proven they are | [22:56] |
DeaDTerra | WTS 30 G.ASICMINER-PT shares! | [22:56] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 11 @ 0.01687999 = 0.1857 BTC [+] | [22:57] |
ThickAsThieves | lol | [22:57] |
ThickAsThieves | DT, whats your rate | [22:57] |
ThickAsThieves | gimme a deal and terms and I'll buy an asston | [22:57] |
Diablo-D3 | I think this is probably why I had my modship removed on the forums | [22:57] |
Diablo-D3 | they got tired of me pointing out problems | [22:57] |
Diablo-D3 | like, I cleaned up tbe BFL mess no one else was willing to do, and everyone who was in on the scam got pissy | [22:57] |
DeaDTerra | I can sell for 1.68, I just want to sell these 30 | [22:58] |
Diablo-D3 | I told people bitcoinica wasnt safe, and people got pissy and then never apologized to me | [22:58] |
DeaDTerra | buying a new computer so cashing out some BTC | [22:58] |
Diablo-D3 | I told people GLBSE wasnt safe after what nefario tried to do to DMC, and people didnt listen | [22:58] |
ThickAsThieves | ah, i cant help you there | [22:58] |
ThickAsThieves | (DT) | [22:58] |
Diablo-D3 | so I dunno | [22:58] |
ThickAsThieves | Diablo, I'm confused what you are telling us now | [22:59] |
Diablo-D3 | Im seriously considering just cashing in all my btc and leaving | [22:59] |
ThickAsThieves | that AML/KYC will be our doom? | [22:59] |
Diablo-D3 | ThickAsThieves: Im tired of fucktards trying to fuck me over. | [22:59] |
kakobrekla | ;;ticker | [22:59] |
Diablo-D3 | thats what Im saying | [22:59] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 114.51001, Best ask: 114.71000, Bid-ask spread: 0.19999, Last trade: 114.51001, 24 hour volume: 38002.45117133, 24 hour low: 114.42057, 24 hour high: 119.80002, 24 hour vwap: 117.75825 | [22:59] |
Diablo-D3 | its why I wont send mtgox my data | [22:59] |
Diablo-D3 | I dont trust mtgox to properly secure it because mtgox refuses to prove it is properly secured | [22:59] |
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Diablo-D3 | mtgox also cannot be touched under US laws, ie, I cannot sue them for a breach of security | [22:59] |
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Diablo-D3 | I dont know why ANYONE does business with mtgox | [23:00] |
Diablo-D3 | it makes no sense | [23:00] |
kakobrekla | someone just sold a shitload | [23:00] |
kakobrekla | instaed of buying | [23:00] |
kakobrekla | wrong way. | [23:00] |
Diablo-D3 | truffles: in the US and EU, you MUST secure customer data | [23:00] |
Diablo-D3 | period | [23:00] |
Diablo-D3 | its the law | [23:00] |
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Diablo-D3 | if you get caught not doing that, you are fined out your ass | [23:00] |
Diablo-D3 | up to the point, small businesses go bankrupt | [23:01] |
Diablo-D3 | truffles: nope, you cant pay them off | [23:01] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 25 @ 0.01687999 = 0.422 BTC [+] | [23:01] |
Diablo-D3 | the US has even fined companies like BoA for losing customer data | [23:01] |
ThickAsThieves | selloff on gox | [23:01] |
kakobrekla | ;;goxlag | [23:01] |
ThickAsThieves | people will crash gix for anything it seems | [23:01] |
gribble | MtGox lag is 39.868904 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0798968372215 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ten times between Saturn and Titan (0.0802 AU). | [23:01] |
Diablo-D3 | and BoA pays off EVERYONE | [23:01] |
ThickAsThieves | even if it means being stuck in cash | [23:01] |
benkay | "you" can't pay them off, truffles | [23:02] |
benkay | massive corporations can, though. | [23:02] |
Diablo-D3 | benkay: if BoA cant, who can? | [23:02] |
benkay | that's not corruption, that's compliance :) | [23:02] |
benkay | "we are too big to fail and too incompetent to implement this. how much do we have to pay? | [23:02] |
Diablo-D3 | higher? they're the third largest bank in the world. | [23:02] |
benkay | " | [23:02] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 25 @ 0.01688 = 0.422 BTC [+] | [23:03] |
Diablo-D3 | (citi, chase are 1 and 2, hsbc is 4) | [23:03] |
Diablo-D3 | citi and chase iirc have both also paid fines | [23:04] |
Diablo-D3 | truffles: customer data security | [23:04] |
error4733 | ;;ticker | [23:04] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 112.51000, Best ask: 113.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.49000, Last trade: 113.00000, 24 hour volume: 43011.94624705, 24 hour low: 112.71496, 24 hour high: 119.80002, 24 hour vwap: 117.29708 | [23:04] |
Diablo-D3 | the government takes those fines very seriously | [23:04] |
error4733 | ;;bids 101 | [23:04] |
gribble | There are currently 28530.865 bitcoins demanded at or over 101.0 USD, worth 3058167.41481 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0060 seconds | [23:04] |
benkay | nonsense. | [23:05] |
benkay | they take their fines unrelatedly to whatever they're notionally supposed to do | [23:06] |
benkay | what they're supposed to do has nothing to do with what they actually do | [23:06] |
benkay | hey check this out | [23:07] |
benkay | ;;goxlag | [23:07] |
gribble | MtGox lag is 75.984144 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.152271373815 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ten times between Jupiter and Callisto (0.12567 AU). | [23:07] |
benkay | and ;;ticker --last | [23:07] |
benkay | ;;ticker --last | [23:08] |
gribble | 110.26854 | [23:08] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 150 @ 0.01688 = 2.532 BTC [+] | [23:08] |
benkay | any bitcoin news at all and the gox engine shits itself | [23:08] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.2233 = 0.4466 BTC [-] | [23:08] |
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benkay | that's a pretty trivial conclusion... | [23:09] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 42 @ 0.017 = 0.714 BTC [+] | [23:09] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 4 @ 0.223316 = 0.8933 BTC [+] | [23:09] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 14 @ 0.01709 = 0.2393 BTC [+] | [23:10] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 52 @ 0.017189 = 0.8938 BTC [+] | [23:10] |
benkay | toplogically identical to "if fewer people traded on gox it wouldn't have the lag problems it does" | [23:10] |
benkay | nah | [23:10] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 82 @ 0.01719 = 1.4096 BTC [+] | [23:10] |
benkay | if the traffic went elsewhere the lag would decrease | [23:10] |
benkay | on gox | [23:10] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 80 @ 0.017289 = 1.3831 BTC [+] | [23:10] |
benkay | oh wait | [23:10] |
benkay | i forgot how much i'd have to explain for this to be a worthwhile conversation for a second | [23:11] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01729 = 1.729 BTC [+] | [23:11] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.225 BTC [+] | [23:12] |
error4733 | ;;ticker | [23:12] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 111.66337, Best ask: 111.99000, Bid-ask spread: 0.32663, Last trade: 111.99000, 24 hour volume: 53895.50132168, 24 hour low: 109.42198, 24 hour high: 119.80002, 24 hour vwap: 116.04770 | [23:12] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.225 BTC [+] | [23:13] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.017349 BTC [+] | [23:13] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.238 = 0.476 BTC [+] | [23:14] |
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ThickAsThieves | clearly satoshi new when to disappear | [23:20] |
ThickAsThieves | knew* | [23:21] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.0173 = 0.519 BTC [-] | [23:22] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 77 @ 0.0173 = 1.3321 BTC [-] | [23:22] |
ThickAsThieves | lol | [23:22] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.749999 BTC [-] | [23:23] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.75 BTC [+] | [23:24] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.75 = 5.25 BTC [+] | [23:26] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 52 @ 0.01725 = 0.897 BTC [-] | [23:27] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 48 @ 0.01725 = 0.828 BTC [-] | [23:28] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 93 @ 0.0173 = 1.6089 BTC [+] | [23:28] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 112 @ 0.017348 = 1.943 BTC [+] | [23:29] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 48 @ 0.017349 = 0.8328 BTC [+] | [23:29] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 29 @ 0.017349 = 0.5031 BTC [+] | [23:31] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 18 @ 0.017355 = 0.3124 BTC [+] | [23:31] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.700001 BTC [-] | [23:32] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.017348 = 0.0347 BTC [-] | [23:33] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.73989 BTC [+] | [23:33] |
dub | heh | [23:35] |
dub | I think this is the problem | [23:35] |
dub | [23:35] | |
dub | [23:35] | |
ThickAsThieves | ? | [23:35] |
dub | [23:35] | |
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dub | dev team has no incentive to unfuck bitcoin | [23:36] |
kakobrekla | devs be poor? | [23:36] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.73999 BTC [+] | [23:36] |
jborkl | Garzik has had a Avalon since January - I do not think he is poor | [23:37] |
kakobrekla | i thought they had at least 10 times that. | [23:37] |
ThickAsThieves | garzik is poor my ASS | [23:37] |
kakobrekla | more like 10-100 times. | [23:37] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.737 BTC [-] | [23:38] |
mod6 | (13:35) < dub> |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.017122 = 0.0514 BTC [-] | [23:39] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 112.85002, Best ask: 112.97000, Bid-ask spread: 0.11998, Last trade: 112.97000, 24 hour volume: 63165.98317902, 24 hour low: 109.42198, 24 hour high: 119.80002, 24 hour vwap: 115.68728 | [23:39] |
gribble | 3472 | [23:39] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.737 BTC [-] | [23:41] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.017122 = 0.0856 BTC [-] | [23:44] |
mircea_popescu | i believe it. | [23:51] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.670523 BTC [-] | [23:56] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 2 @ 0.00357 = 0.0071 BTC [-] | [23:58] |
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