Forum logs for 14 May 2013

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

deadweasel	no truf, fleas	[00:00]
jurov	deadweasel: did not search further yet, had other things to do	[00:00]
deadweasel	jurov, that was my problem too	[00:00]
jurov	yes. and taking afternoon naps	[00:00]
deadweasel	damn straight	[00:01]
deadweasel	I'm guessing all MPEX IPOs have been delayed until interest in bitcoin has resurfaced?	[00:02]
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deadweasel	not that they are many...	[00:02]
jurov	deadweasel: you know of any?	[00:02]
deadweasel	nope	[00:02]
jurov	like, S.BRKH ?	[00:03]
deadweasel	S Burkah? are we invested in Islamic women?	[00:03]
deadweasel	this is not good....	[00:03]
deadweasel	their husbands will be pissed and start a war against.....	[00:03]
deadweasel	oh, too late.	[00:03]
jurov	http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=BRK-A i meant this	[00:03]
deadweasel	great vid of him and munger.	[00:04]
deadweasel	that's been on my brain lately.	[00:04]
jurov	that ratpoison one?	[00:04]
deadweasel	yup	[00:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.01491899 = 0.0597 BTC [+]	[00:04]
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jurov	wouldn't surprise me if few dudes met in a trollbox somwehere and came out with the name	[00:08]
*	deadweasel doesn't know what a trollbox is... unless it's a box for keeping trolls in.	[00:08]
jurov	:)	[00:09]
jurov	lmao	[00:09]
*	deadweasel closes himself back into his corrugated cardboard trollbox	[00:10]
jurov	yes, it tends to spill ver	[00:10]
jurov	*over	[00:10]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.411004 BTC [-]	[00:11]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 9 @ 0.411003 = 3.699 BTC [-]	[00:11]
jurov	i'm totally using it "yes, this thing spilled over from trollbox"	[00:11]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 15 @ 0.01491899 = 0.2238 BTC [+]	[00:11]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 34 @ 0.1059 = 3.6006 BTC [+]	[00:13]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 5 @ 0.106 = 0.53 BTC [+]	[00:14]
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deadweasel	ha, freenode is gasping for breath, yet here I sit, in 15 channels, just lurking.	[00:19]
jurov	till the blockchain makes us part	[00:19]
deadweasel	nevar!	[00:20]
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mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[00:24]
gribble	Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.	[00:24]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 10 @ 0.411003 = 4.11 BTC [-]	[00:25]
-mrmist-	[Global Notice] Sadly the DDoS attacks are still ongoing and that it is affecting major parts of our infrastructure resulting in timeouts and loss of some service (at least, but not limited to webchat, support ticket system and hidden tor service). A special thank you to our sponsors, whom we love so much. ♥	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	im curious if this actually blows freenode off the interwebs.	[00:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6676 @ 0.00068408 = 4.5669 BTC [-]	[00:26]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.51999 = 3.04 BTC [+]	[00:27]
deadweasel	no way	[00:28]
deadweasel	it will come back stronger	[00:28]
mircea_popescu	whoa it's incredible, the bitfury bet still at 10:1	[00:28]
mircea_popescu	peepz out of money ?	[00:28]
deadweasel	who is this guy? you think he has any chance?	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	well here's the score : if he is in fact delivering 200th up to 22peta hash,	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	then asicminer is dead.	[00:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 8 @ 0.01491899 = 0.1194 BTC [+]	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	if you have a bitcoin in asicminer it makes sense to bet as much as .1 btc against him, seeing the odds.	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	therefore, we can calculate the % of idiots in asicminer as follows :	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	total no side bet divided by asicminer market cap	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 13 / 600000	[00:32]
gribble	2.16666666667e-05	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	that's what, 998 people out of 1000 ?	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	just some off the cuff degree-of-magnitude accurate maffs.	[00:33]
ezdiy	deadweasel: it will likely kick out the channel which is causing the ddos drama	[00:33]
dub	its not #bitcoin-trollbox	[00:33]
dub	thats a picture of health	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	lol	[00:33]
ezdiy	dub: yea, i kinda suspect it'll be #bitcoin* :)	[00:34]
deadweasel	ezdiy: which channel is that?	[00:34]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 1.51999 = 12.1599 BTC [+]	[00:34]
ezdiy	deadweasel: well	[00:34]
ezdiy	bitcoin is second largest community after ubuntu	[00:34]
ezdiy	so guess what	[00:34]
deadweasel	aaw man.	[00:34]
deadweasel	now I feel bad.	[00:34]
ezdiy	(out of my arse speculation)	[00:34]
ThickAsThieves	mp/jurov, could you push withdrawals	[00:34]
ThickAsThieves	got hustlin' to do	[00:35]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves k, be like half hour.	[00:35]
ThickAsThieves	poop, ok	[00:35]
mircea_popescu	i guess we find out, ezdiy.	[00:36]
ezdiy	(subtly luring me to start bitbet.us bet lol :)	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	tho tbh kicking out bitcoin would be pretty damaging to them.	[00:37]
deadweasel	do it!	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	lol why do i need to lure you, i can just make one	[00:37]
deadweasel	i got .5 on FREENODE LIVES	[00:37]
jborkl	So the full terms of the bitfury bet are - they deliver how much? in basically a month?	[00:37]
ezdiy	mircea_popescu: not enough info for that yet :/	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	jborkl just demonstrate hashing	[00:37]
ezdiy	might be just some kiddo nerdraging at mircop	[00:37]
ezdiy	or a guy with serious firepower systematically trying to target something	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	what's mircop	[00:38]
dub	mircop?	[00:38]
ezdiy	irc operator	[00:38]
ezdiy	using mIRC	[00:38]
dub	lol	[00:38]
dub	LOL	[00:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1874 @ 0.00068676 = 1.287 BTC [+]	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	lolk	[00:39]
dub	im sure that would pass bash moderation	[00:39]
deadweasel	is bitfury russian?	[00:39]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 25 @ 1.51999 = 37.9998 BTC [+]	[00:40]
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mircea_popescu	yteah	[00:41]
mircea_popescu	seems so.	[00:41]
mircea_popescu	would be funnay if the russians blow out the chinese.	[00:41]
mircea_popescu	historically accurate too	[00:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 13 @ 0.01491899 = 0.1939 BTC [+]	[00:41]
dub	bitfury exists?	[00:42]
deadweasel	no higher education... gonna make the chips himself?	[00:42]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.531992 BTC [+]	[00:42]
deadweasel	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=203107.0	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	dub well somebody got 100 btc.	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	honestly i was expecting to see that bet like 5:1 not 1:10	[00:44]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.01512 = 0.4536 BTC [+]	[00:45]
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deadweasel	;;google bitfury	[00:47]
gribble	BitFury: Home: ; BitFury 110 Gh/s :: BitFury: ; XC6SLX150 BitStream :: BitFury:	[00:47]
dub	fwiw higher education just means you learned to suck dick	[00:48]
ezdiy	damn easy europeans	[00:48]
deadweasel	they need to drop those things in vegetable oil for cooling.	[00:48]
ezdiy	and their provess at both scamming and technology design lol	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	cooking ?	[00:48]
deadweasel	well, ya learn a lot of things, mostly conditioning	[00:49]
dub	not much in a practical sense	[00:49]
deadweasel	no, not practical, then again I didn't study all that hard either.	[00:49]
ezdiy	mineral oil makes sense if you have a lot of components with thermal surface	[00:50]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.54876 BTC [+]	[00:50]
ezdiy	inb4 avalon aquarium	[00:50]
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deadweasel	you could just pump the oil around a little faster	[00:50]
ezdiy	i mean, its not worth the hassle	[00:51]
ezdiy	to have a leak proof tank, pumps, heat exchangers etc, if you can just use fans	[00:51]
deadweasel	well shit	[00:52]
deadweasel	when my bitfury asic gets here, I'm putting a fan on it 0.o	[00:53]
ezdiy	lol	[00:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16226 @ 0.00068446 = 11.106 BTC [-]	[00:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1163 @ 0.00068706 = 0.7991 BTC [+]	[00:53]
ezdiy	deadweasel: just order the whole 100gh/s fpga rack	[00:54]
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ezdiy	submerge it in oil and heat exchange with water in nearby river	[00:54]
ezdiy	you save 3kw on air cooling o/	[00:54]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.5204 BTC [-]	[00:56]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.520324 BTC [-]	[00:56]
deadweasel	ezdiy, wish I could. do you mine?	[00:57]
ezdiy	nah, i was just kinda lampooning their current fpga offering as it is largely outdated atm :)	[00:57]
mircea_popescu	i think ezdiy mostly trolls	[00:58]
ezdiy	i think mp is mostly pedantic nazi	[00:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1950 @ 0.00068706 = 1.3398 BTC [+]	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	totally.	[01:00]
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mircea_popescu	sorry about the delay ThickAsThieves. i've recently beefed up the security and i think i might have gone too far ;/	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	will be processing asap tho.	[01:04]
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dub	I think ezdiy has a calssic case of 'I'm chatting on the internet therefor I know everything'	[01:05]
dub	and also a classic case	[01:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 30 @ 0.01491899 = 0.4476 BTC [+]	[01:05]
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dub	if it was trolling, he'd need to be in #bitcoin-trollbox	[01:06]
jborkl_	mtgox down again	[01:06]
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ezdiy	dub: well, you _dont_ know?	[01:07]
ezdiy	it's clearly established wisdom of bitcoin community that not knowing implies ignorance	[01:08]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.548389 BTC [+]	[01:08]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.5484 BTC [+]	[01:10]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.549978 BTC [+]	[01:12]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.549978 BTC [+]	[01:13]
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dub	hey I'm just here to spam #bitcoin-trollbox	[01:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 1100 @ 0.00300015 = 3.3002 BTC [+]	[01:15]
ezdiy	figured as much :)	[01:18]
*	ezdiy 's here to annoy local overlords	[01:18]
ezdiy	and maybe learn a thing or two about finance in the process	[01:18]
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jurov	mircea_popescu i hope you don't beef up the security so far as reptilia	[01:19]
jurov	"I have pretty many coins and I store them with pretty many precautions. By many, I mean that it takes me an approximately 16 hours of my prime work time to do it, and it also does not happen without a considerable monetary cost."	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	not quite.	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	im not as pretty.	[01:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 12 @ 0.01491899 = 0.179 BTC [+]	[01:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 21 @ 0.01492 = 0.3133 BTC [+]	[01:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 12 @ 0.01492 = 0.179 BTC [+]	[01:20]
jborkl	hmm, all my nodes paused and are acting strage	[01:21]
jborkl	strange	[01:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 57 @ 0.014925 = 0.8507 BTC [+]	[01:21]
jurov	jborkl: ec2 nodes?	[01:21]
jborkl	all my class 1.2 supernodes	[01:22]
jborkl	lol	[01:22]
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jurov	you must check the sauna	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	jborkl there's something afoot on the blockchain.	[01:23]
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jurov	but the fork is planned on tomorrow, no?	[01:23]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 70 @ 0.014925 = 1.0448 BTC [+]	[01:23]
jborkl	they are still relaying, but appear to have stopped	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	jurov there's an issue.	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	i have no idea wtf yet.	[01:24]
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jurov	hm.. my bitcoinds seem to work normally	[01:25]
jborkl	yes, for sure - my nodes are not working correct as of the last block - the time stamp in bitcoind has stopped also	[01:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 12 @ 0.01492 = 0.179 BTC [-]	[01:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 12 @ 0.01491899 = 0.179 BTC [-]	[01:25]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 12 @ 0.0009 = 0.0108 BTC [+]	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	i think we're forking	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	new bug ?!	[01:28]
jborkl	restarted and now the time stamp is progressing	[01:28]
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jurov	where it does show timestamp?	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	jurov stat :D	[01:29]
jurov	http://blockchain.info/rejected shows lots of new stuff	[01:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2557 @ 0.00068733 = 1.7575 BTC [+]	[01:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13343 @ 0.00068706 = 9.1674 BTC [-]	[01:30]
jurov	don't shit me, bitcoind getinfo is not outputting any timestamp	[01:31]
jurov	pls can anyone explain me what's happening. in full sentences...	[01:34]
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jborkl	I am trying to figure it out, have to go home though	[01:38]
ezdiy	ERROR: CScriptCheck() : bbf6540a80bf356ab33c7ebf15317a246ed3a46bfe0df30bba3052935d711b9b VerifySignature failed	[01:38]
ezdiy	ERROR: CTxMemPool::accept() : ConnectInputs failed bbf6540a80bf356ab33c7ebf15317a246ed3a46bfe0df30bba3052935d711b9b	[01:39]
ezdiy	hm	[01:39]
ezdiy	this can't be good	[01:39]
jborkl	this has to be a fork	[01:39]
mircea_popescu	it's screwed wtf.	[01:39]
ezdiy	my bitcoind claims the sig is invalid	[01:39]
ezdiy	but blockchain info says its ok	[01:39]
ezdiy	but unconfirmed	[01:39]
ezdiy	(im running latest git)	[01:39]
mircea_popescu	ok everyone do not make any further txns until we figure out what the fuck is going on	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	has anyone notified the power rangers yet ?	[01:40]
dub	-dev is silent	[01:41]
jborkl	fuck if you and I notcied right away wtf are they doing	[01:41]
ezdiy	can someone ./bitcoind gettransaction bbf6540a80bf356ab33c7ebf15317a246ed3a46bfe0df30bba3052935d711b9b	[01:41]
ezdiy	if you have it	[01:41]
ezdiy	then we're screwed	[01:42]
mircea_popescu	jborkl originally i thought i'm fucking it up tbh	[01:42]
ezdiy	as i'm on the other side of fork	[01:42]
jurov	error: {"code":-5,"message":"Invalid or non-wallet transaction id"}	[01:42]
ezdiy	hm, ok	[01:42]
mod6	eek	[01:42]
jborkl	well mp , obvious but pause my withdrawal until later	[01:42]
ezdiy	jurov: did it get rejected in your debug.log as well?	[01:42]
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mircea_popescu	ezdiy i have it on exactly one node	[01:43]
jurov	blockchain.info shows it as unconfirmed	[01:43]
mircea_popescu	8 btc	[01:43]
ezdiy	mircea_popescu: yeah, but your node should have rejected it :/	[01:43]
jborkl	transactions are still going through all of my nodes	[01:43]
mircea_popescu	dude i have no idea.	[01:44]
ezdiy	with ConnectInputs failed	[01:44]
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ezdiy	mircea_popescu: grep ~/.bitcoin/debug.log for it	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	i don't have ssh for that machine right now	[01:44]
ezdiy	dang	[01:44]
ezdiy	well, lets wait for a bit	[01:44]
jurov	it only says received getdata for: tx bbf6540a80	[01:44]
ezdiy	maybe its just orphaned tx input or something	[01:44]
jurov	nothing else	[01:44]
jborkl	storing orphans like a bitch though	[01:44]
jborkl	all it is doing	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	this is pretty insane	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	it would seem over about a dozen nodes there's something like... 8 diff chains/orphans ?	[01:45]
ezdiy	yep :/	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	wtf we imploded what happened here	[01:45]
TheSeven	ezdiy: bbf6540a80bf356ab33c7ebf15317a246ed3a46bfe0df30bba3052935d711b9b non-existant here	[01:50]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]	[01:51]
*	asciilifeform whispers "51%"	[01:51]
ezdiy	seems like it	[01:51]
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ezdiy	mircea_popescu: we need getrawtransaction of that guy, if possible	[01:52]
TheSeven	CTxMemPool::accept() : accepted bbf6540a80 (poolsz 2531)	[01:52]
TheSeven	received getdata for: tx bbf6540a80	[01:52]
TheSeven	so it seems to be accepted on my node	[01:53]
TheSeven	getrawtransaction returns it	[01:53]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.54988 BTC [-]	[01:53]
TheSeven	but of course gettransaction doesn't because it isn't from my wallet	[01:53]
ezdiy	TheSeven: paste	[01:53]
TheSeven	$ bitcoind getrawtransaction bbf6540a80bf356ab33c7ebf15317a246ed3a46bfe0df30bba3052935d711b9b	[01:53]
TheSeven	0100000001eb8b5d0d5dd4b4dd61d9737d82f63d24c34aa55587d0e4a7605aa230120e91fb000000008a4730440220c309d71f3b8cbafce79d7ab2afde11c16d8f566f2d1e375b305df621ec0d9f230220c073cfa2018bee371bd4f771730368d66762628093f5d1922123c7938681fd0d014104b7b6fcff33b2233c8ca607390f951e845865088a26264a291ffcea2d67bcccfc0dee3e2f906f6feeedea3d2fcf563f5d5c1a7e76a621b8fb659ad9865f2eefeeffffffff010008af2f000000001976a9147b6746f308567c7d5e7ac79bb79412339952514888ac0	[01:53]
TheSeven	0000000	[01:53]
TheSeven	this is a 0.8.1 node	[01:54]
TheSeven	ok, moving this over to #bitcoin-dev	[01:55]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00068274 = 5.3936 BTC [-]	[01:59]
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jurov	-dev says it is this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=106461.5	[02:02]
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ezdiy	the hour-or-so gap points to FUD campaign imo	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	hum	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	i thought that was fixed months ago	[02:05]
ezdiy	though hourly block gaps happen for innocent reasons too	[02:06]
mircea_popescu	maybe i misunderstood something	[02:06]
ezdiy	all pools unlucky -> lots of rejected txes because of DER sig rules -> FUD	[02:06]
ezdiy	you can s/all pools unlucky/all pools dosed somehow/	[02:06]
mircea_popescu	ezdiy was your tx ber'd ?	[02:07]
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ezdiy	yep, all the broken txes seem to have nonstandard sigs under 0.8.2	[02:07]
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mircea_popescu	did you send it from armory actually ?	[02:07]
ezdiy	no idea, i'm just looking at debug.log	[02:08]
ezdiy	there was apparently some split brain scenario during the time there were no new blocks mined	[02:08]
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mircea_popescu	my dept of technology & paranoia is not happy with the sig explanation.	[02:08]
ezdiy	as you can send tx on of another one in mempool	[02:08]
ezdiy	*on top	[02:09]
ezdiy	not much so when half of network rejects it in mempool though	[02:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.269 BTC [+]	[02:09]
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mircea_popescu	;;difchange	[02:11]
gribble	Error: "difchange" is not a valid command.	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	;;diffchange	[02:11]
gribble	Estimated percent change in difficulty this period \| 18.95114 % based on data since last change \| 17.0779 % based on data for last three days	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	;;estimate	[02:11]
gribble	Next difficulty estimate \| 13307370.2306 based on data since last change \| 13097805.7081 based on data for last three days	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	;;tslb	[02:12]
gribble	Time since last block: 3 minutes and 53 seconds	[02:12]
dub	;;nethash	[02:12]
gribble	93759.1759279	[02:12]
dub	shit oh dear	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	um	[02:12]
ezdiy	mircea_popescu: yeah, there was a hour-or-so gap	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	which block is gribble on	[02:12]
dub	That Escalated Quickly	[02:12]
dub	;;block	[02:12]
gribble	Error: "block" is not a valid command.	[02:12]
dub	;;blockhieght	[02:12]
gribble	Error: "blockhieght" is not a valid command.	[02:12]
dub	;;blocks	[02:13]
gribble	236070	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	ya but which	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	0000000000000133f6f3a4750a atop 0000000000000045aeb20b5d64 ?	[02:13]
jurov	yes blockhain.info shows these two most recent	[02:14]
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mircea_popescu	i guess no fork just some funky reorg then ?	[02:16]
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ezdiy	no reorg	[02:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 37 @ 0.014925 = 0.5522 BTC [+]	[02:17]
ezdiy	look at blockchain info, there was over a hour gap between blocks	[02:18]
ezdiy	pools simply were unlucky/dosed	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	hm	[02:18]
jurov	and people who use 0.8.2 from git see the tx rejected	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	no cauyse there were orphaned block in between	[02:18]
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ezdiy	jurov: until its accepted in the block by 0.8.1 miner	[02:19]
ezdiy	then even 0.8.2 accepts it	[02:19]
ezdiy	or at least it should	[02:19]
jurov	ezdiy yes, it got accepted now	[02:19]
jurov	but no orphaned blocks afaik	[02:19]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 42 @ 0.01512 = 0.635 BTC [+]	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	i'm confused.	[02:21]
ezdiy	you're btc-e kiddo and can ddos pools	[02:22]
ezdiy	0.8.2 implements weird rule	[02:22]
ezdiy	whatya do to create price wave to ride it? :)	[02:22]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.549 = 3.098 BTC [-]	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	hm	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	any pool actually say they're ddosed yet ?	[02:23]
ezdiy	(i highly doubt its was just an innocent coincidence, as the chances are <1% of block gap occuring so conveniently)	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	not heard anything.	[02:23]
ezdiy	yeah, that'd confirm my speculation	[02:24]
dub	guild's website was down yesterday	[02:24]
ezdiy	short ddoses go unnoticed often though	[02:24]
mircea_popescu	1hr is not short.	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	for a pool.	[02:25]
ezdiy	most miners have it setup to switch pools when one is down	[02:25]
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ezdiy	of course it's false sense of security, just ddos all the pools commonly used lol	[02:25]
ezdiy	(btw, p2pool is suspected to have high stale rate because you can tie individual miners/hashpower to certain ips)	[02:27]
ezdiy	in that sense, pools are useful they shield individual miners from direct attacks	[02:27]
mircea_popescu	tjhat just shows how dysfunctional the entire p2p model is.	[02:27]
ezdiy	well, better said naive implementation of p2p	[02:28]
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mircea_popescu	right.	[02:29]
mircea_popescu	in other words cheap.	[02:29]
mircea_popescu	;;tslb	[02:30]
gribble	Time since last block: 11 minutes and 35 seconds	[02:30]
mircea_popescu	;;blocks	[02:31]
gribble	236072	[02:31]
mircea_popescu	i see two chains.	[02:31]
mircea_popescu	one's on 236071 16 mins ago	[02:31]
mircea_popescu	the other no wait	[02:31]
mircea_popescu	ok there's some connectivity weirdness	[02:31]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.014925 BTC [+]	[02:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 35 @ 0.014925 = 0.5224 BTC [+]	[02:34]
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mircea_popescu	;;blockas	[02:37]
gribble	Error: "blockas" is not a valid command.	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	;;blocks	[02:37]
gribble	236074	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	so slush just mined an empty block ?	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	and it came in within 30 seconds of 236073 ?	[02:38]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.549 = 3.098 BTC [-]	[02:44]
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ezdiy	http://blockchain.info/block-index/382582/00000000000000456bcd68f888f1af4d9c5ecf807fd23f328acd9410c1d0fa81 <-- slush bitcoind under attack	[02:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.1 BTC [-]	[02:47]
mircea_popescu	how do you figure ?	[02:50]
ezdiy	block with no transactions	[02:50]
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ezdiy	but slush is signed in coinbase if you click at txid	[02:50]
ezdiy	means his bitcoind must have been somehow convinced there were no txes at all	[02:50]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.549978 = 3.1 BTC [+]	[02:51]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.549978 = 6.1999 BTC [+]	[02:51]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.549979 BTC [+]	[02:51]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.549979 BTC [+]	[02:52]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.549979 = 3.1 BTC [+]	[02:52]
ezdiy	or maybe just broken code, who knows	[02:52]
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ezdiy	the downside of central models :)	[02:52]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.549979 BTC [+]	[02:54]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.549979 = 6.1999 BTC [+]	[02:54]
optimator	ezdiy: when a new block is found the pool code pushes work out with no txs. it does this while it builds the new merkle root. that way the miners have work immediately	[02:56]
optimator	and on the off chance someone solves it everyone is rewarded	[02:56]
ezdiy	optimator: not most optimal solution then, though :/	[02:57]
ezdiy	i'm surprised theres no bloody murder scream from users about 1-tx blocks	[02:57]
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optimator	we'll it's beyond a long shot - within seconds new work is pushed with transactions. Otherwise the miners would be working on work for a block that had already been solved	[02:59]
ezdiy	yeah	[02:59]
optimator	s/we'll/well	[02:59]
ezdiy	but the underlying idea is only greed	[02:59]
ezdiy	it profits only the miners, not users	[02:59]
ezdiy	s/profits/benefits/	[03:00]
optimator	i see it as rewarding them for their work on the network	[03:00]
ezdiy	optimator: no, the merkle root should be updated continuously by slush	[03:01]
ezdiy	not when new block arrives	[03:02]
ezdiy	thats just being lazy, to the detriment of users	[03:02]
ezdiy	this is why hasprevblock is separate after all	[03:02]
optimator	it doesn't work that way. The block height is incorporated into the hash function. So you can know what to push unless you know the block you are working on	[03:02]
ezdiy	you, you have to re-verify txes which use same utxos as the txes in newly arrived block	[03:03]
optimator	imagine a queue that you are pushing new txs on. You keep building it up, but when a new block is found the queueu is emptied	[03:03]
ezdiy	but you dont have to to verify sigs again	[03:03]
ezdiy	=> its crazy fast	[03:03]
ezdiy	i call lazy	[03:03]
ezdiy	optimator: yes, thats how it works and why slush pushes empty merkle for the mean time	[03:04]
ezdiy	until he re-verifies everything	[03:04]
ezdiy	optimator: this is probably something to be fixed in bitcoind, though :(	[03:05]
ezdiy	so people dont invent crazy hacks to prevent stales	[03:05]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2250 @ 0.00068274 = 1.5362 BTC [-]	[03:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00068122 = 5.8585 BTC [-]	[03:05]
optimator	ezdiy: yes, in bitcoind. It's can be 300 ms to get the new tx list	[03:06]
ezdiy	or much more if youre clever to push lots of utxos which will seek all through 6gb	[03:07]
ezdiy	imagine 1000 utxos, each spaced at 4mb boundary	[03:07]
ezdiy	spinning drives will go crazy :/	[03:08]
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ezdiy	not to mention slow ecdsa verify	[03:08]
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ezdiy	optimator: the trick is, when new block arrives, you just remove txes which are in it from your mempool (no verify needed, no seeks needed) and recompute merkle	[03:10]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.54898 BTC [-]	[03:10]
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optimator	ezdiy: yeah, maybe. I think you are coming at it from the bitcoind level and I'm coming at it from the json-rpc level	[03:12]
ezdiy	well, i see why its done like its done	[03:13]
ezdiy	because simple flush-and-redo is much simpler to implement	[03:13]
ezdiy	carefully pruning the outdated utxos must be written from scratch :(	[03:13]
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optimator	plus you'd have to get the new block because you don't know what txs were included in it	[03:14]
ezdiy	well, its like	[03:14]
ezdiy	you get new block, and look at inputs of all transactions in there	[03:14]
ezdiy	and just 1:1 compare with your mempool, if possible - the general case is lots of those will be same	[03:15]
ezdiy	the rest must be verified of course	[03:15]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01512 = 0.756 BTC [+]	[03:15]
optimator	sure - 300 ms to getblock, compare, and recalc	[03:16]
ezdiy	but the ones you found in your mempool are already verified, because you do that whenever they arrive in your mempool	[03:16]
ezdiy	optimator: i think some json api for pools would be in order	[03:16]
ezdiy	um, nah	[03:17]
ezdiy	getblock is enough, just make it faster/longpoll	[03:17]
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benkay	her mircea do you have a link on hand to your piece commenting on monetary sterilization"	[03:19]
benkay	?	[03:20]
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mircea_popescu	benkay which one is that ?	[03:20]
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benkay	found it	[03:22]
benkay	ms warren 'stepping on it'	[03:22]
mircea_popescu	lolk	[03:22]
mircea_popescu	http://www.greendiary.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/gribble_Otoeh_11446.jpg	[03:22]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.0151 = 0.1208 BTC [-]	[03:23]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 16 @ 0.01512 = 0.2419 BTC [+]	[03:26]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.54898 BTC [-]	[03:26]
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ThickAsThieves	i'm mobile but did mpex withdrawals not go out yet?	[03:35]
ThickAsThieves	wallet says no	[03:35]
ThickAsThieves	:(	[03:36]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves read up the history, we've had some excitement.	[03:41]
mircea_popescu	anyway, i'm putting it off to string of extremely unlikely coincidences.	[03:41]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.014925 = 0.0448 BTC [+]	[03:44]
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jborkl	Don_Popescu	[03:53]
mircea_popescu	hm ?	[03:53]
jborkl	lol good name for you	[03:54]
mircea_popescu	;;tslb	[03:54]
gribble	Time since last block: 8 minutes and 17 seconds	[03:54]
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ThickAsThieves	;;nethash	[04:02]
gribble	93934.6414104	[04:02]
ThickAsThieves	;;bc,stats	[04:03]
gribble	Current Blocks: 236085 \| Current Difficulty: 1.1187257461360792E7 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 237887 \| Next Difficulty In: 1802 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 7 hours, 7 minutes, and 53 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 13424353.8156 \| Estimated Percent Change: 19.99683	[04:03]
ThickAsThieves	so i skimmed, but essentially we have a weird empty block, likely malicious intent, and possible fork?	[04:03]
thestringpuller	Mr. Popescu.	[04:03]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 59 @ 0.01512 = 0.8921 BTC [+]	[04:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.014925 = 0.7463 BTC [+]	[04:07]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves nah there was a 1hr+ pause just as the new bitcoind changed signature rules making it look like a multifork	[04:09]
mircea_popescu	on top of some internal stuff	[04:09]
ThickAsThieves	hrm	[04:10]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.2 = 0.4 BTC [+]	[04:10]
ThickAsThieves	can i still be mad at devs?	[04:10]
mircea_popescu	im not sure they did anything wrong.	[04:10]
mircea_popescu	the sigrule kinda had to be tightened.	[04:11]
ThickAsThieves	aww even mp tells me to drop the pitchfork	[04:11]
ThickAsThieves	will do	[04:11]
mircea_popescu	i mean it looked fucking weird as all hell for a coupla hours there, but...	[04:11]
mircea_popescu	funk. it occurs.	[04:11]
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asciilifeform	if anybody's been wondering what a 51%/doublespend trigger pull will look like: it will look exactly like this.	[04:18]
asciilifeform	a whimper, not a bang.	[04:18]
asciilifeform	doesn't change the fact of the newly-perforated meat, though	[04:19]
ThickAsThieves	hmm	[04:19]
ThickAsThieves	so if i look up my wallet on blockchain	[04:19]
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ThickAsThieves	it shows 1 tx i was expecting	[04:19]
ThickAsThieves	but not the other	[04:19]
ThickAsThieves	if look from within my wallet	[04:20]
ThickAsThieves	i see the other	[04:20]
ThickAsThieves	but not the 1st one	[04:20]
ThickAsThieves	this is via blockchain.info	[04:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 247 @ 0.014925 = 3.6865 BTC [+]	[04:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 553 @ 0.00295421 = 1.6337 BTC [-]	[04:22]
ThickAsThieves	okay i closed and reopened and all is well now	[04:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.2898 BTC [+]	[04:22]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform probably.	[04:23]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves pretty much everyone is having trouble with the 8.2 duality.	[04:24]
asciilifeform	and don't make the mistake of thinking that all is well just because the universe looks as expected through your particular peephole.	[04:24]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the world is made of probabilities not certainties.	[04:24]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: Captain (Admiral?) obvious	[04:25]
mircea_popescu	lol	[04:25]
asciilifeform	the probability of the "doublespend ring of sauron" falling into human hands is close to 1.	[04:26]
mircea_popescu	i don't think so.	[04:26]
mircea_popescu	i think actual 51% past this point is an impossibility	[04:27]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: look at you stabilizing dat pric	[04:27]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the reasoning is that basically bitcoin is a sort of morphism on the fiat world, and i am pretty convinced by now that the 51% attack is the local equivalent of the market cornering problem.	[04:28]
asciilifeform	51% is difficult, yes, but quite possible to do. and to do undetectably.	[04:30]
asciilifeform	I described several "easy" recipes as to how, at one point.	[04:30]
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asciilifeform	at this point, the objective wouldn't necessarily be a straightforward monetary one, but to drive people to questionable altchains	[04:31]
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asciilifeform	all you really need to push (at least some of) the lemmings over the edge is to induce enough protocol weirdness	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	it's not possible to do.	[04:33]
asciilifeform	you might not even need a strict 51% for that	[04:33]
mircea_popescu	it apperars possible to do, but only in static representations of reality	[04:33]
mircea_popescu	much like cornering markets appears possible to do in static representations of reality.	[04:33]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[04:34]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 117.53004, Best ask: 117.94999, Bid-ask spread: 0.41995, Last trade: 117.53002, 24 hour volume: 26422.96173181, 24 hour low: 114.50020, 24 hour high: 118.88000, 24 hour vwap: 117.07249	[04:34]
asciilifeform	this is like saying that a bullet hole is no big problem so long as the wound mostly closes back up after the bullet exits.	[04:34]
mircea_popescu	zero impact, for that matter. the lemmings aren't in this channel. they will never know today happened	[04:34]
mircea_popescu	for that matter, they don't trust themselves enough to believe their eyes. if respected people don't say there's a problem, there's no problem.	[04:34]
mircea_popescu	etc.	[04:34]
mircea_popescu	im not sure i follow that bullet analogy	[04:35]
asciilifeform	the idea is that temporary disruptions can have permanent effect	[04:35]
mircea_popescu	well if it's a stochastic process, prolly.	[04:35]
asciilifeform	see 'goxlag' etc	[04:36]
mircea_popescu	i still need to see someone argue convincingly that goxlag is bad for bitcoin.	[04:36]
mircea_popescu	it's horible for gox, and esopecxially so for gox investors. so ?	[04:36]
asciilifeform	not even considering that, if what we just saw was the echo of an actual double spend, it is entirely possible that somebody just sucked out N BTC out of the aether	[04:36]
asciilifeform	there is only so many times that this can happen without a real effect	[04:37]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=203837.20	[04:37]
mircea_popescu	lik that ?	[04:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 235 @ 0.014925 = 3.5074 BTC [+]	[04:37]
asciilifeform	the link appears to talk about a traditional wallet heist	[04:38]
mircea_popescu	through 2fa ?	[04:39]
asciilifeform	AFAIK mtgox uses usb widgets for 2fa	[04:39]
mircea_popescu	yup	[04:40]
asciilifeform	perhaps our friend left his plugged in, and it can be actuated through software in some undocumented way (rather than pressing the switch)	[04:40]
asciilifeform	or, likely, it has a firmware upgrade endpoint (most usb devices do, whether documented or not.)	[04:40]
asciilifeform	a USB thumb drive from virtually any manufacturer, for instance, does	[04:40]
mircea_popescu	right, what io'm sauying is, this is a working prototype	[04:40]
mircea_popescu	n btc sucked into the aether	[04:40]
asciilifeform	not into or from the aether, but into a more clever man's pocket, from a chump's.	[04:41]
asciilifeform	BTC was conserved.	[04:41]
mircea_popescu	well a 51% attack wouldn't generate btc.	[04:41]
asciilifeform	true, it will generate a Bezzle.	[04:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.15 BTC [+]	[04:41]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.522746 BTC [-]	[04:41]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1400 @ 0.000666 = 0.9324 BTC [-]	[04:42]
asciilifeform	AFAIK, how quickly the bezzle dissolves will depend on how long the attack can be maintained.	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	nope. it'll do exactly the same thing as mtgox lieing about "hacks"	[04:42]
asciilifeform	yes, if your fractional reserve hypothesis is correct	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	listen. suppose you actually have the tech to own yubikeys	[04:43]
asciilifeform	(that is, the total of all people storing N btc on gox do not actually have access to N btc)	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	and let's presume for a moment you have no better use for it than btc.	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	which is insane, but anyway.	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	NOW what you do with this ion cannon is steal random 4 btc wallet ?	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	you'd have to be born last night to actually believe this.	[04:43]
asciilifeform	every ion cannon has to be fired at a diseased goat during development	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	if indeed this was an attack able to cut through their (braindead) 2fa implementation	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	90% of thje top accounts would be hit simultaneously.	[04:44]
asciilifeform	occam's razor suggests that our chump lied about using 2fa	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	no, it does not have to be.	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	maybe.	[04:44]
asciilifeform	or that mtgox has a session remanence bug	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	the chump has no history of lieing	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	mtgox does.	[04:45]
asciilifeform	probably the culprit then.	[04:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 15 @ 0.2898 = 4.347 BTC [+]	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	it wouldn't be the first website	[04:46]
mircea_popescu	fuck me. the idea of a website is ridiculous	[04:46]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: you evil tempter, you just made me want to transfer btc to mtgox just to buy their yubikey.	[04:46]
mircea_popescu	but it wouldn't be the first website with a broken 2fa implementation.	[04:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.43551 = 0.871 BTC [+]	[04:46]
asciilifeform	also remember that chumps have a tendency to lie to themselves	[04:48]
mircea_popescu	anuyay, getting back to it. the branch was off	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	there is only so many times that this can happen without a real effect	[04:49]
asciilifeform	and to blame their betters when their world burns	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	now, returning there : how many times ?	[04:49]
asciilifeform	damned if I know how many times. how many people would even admit that this happened to them, if it had	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	see, but it'd seem to me you readily argue both ends of this rope.	[04:51]
asciilifeform	one more observation: yubi works by emulating usb keyboard. which makes for a very simple man in the middle, esp. if you press the button an extra time.	[04:51]
asciilifeform	or if the switch has bounce	[04:52]
mircea_popescu	i doubt anyone actually visited the guy's apartment	[04:52]
mircea_popescu	for the simple reason that if anyone ever did most of the us would be so very much less lonely.	[04:52]
asciilifeform	nobody had to, but a trojan	[04:52]
mircea_popescu	that good a trojan ?	[04:52]
mircea_popescu	4 btc ?	[04:52]
mircea_popescu	hm.	[04:52]
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asciilifeform	I study trojans for money. Most BTC botnets, for example, are quite pitiful (a handful of GH/sec.)	[04:53]
mircea_popescu	indeed.	[04:53]
asciilifeform	the author has little control over who will be infected	[04:53]
asciilifeform	all he has is hope, that some of the chumps will own high-end ATI cards, etc	[04:54]
asciilifeform	so it is entirely conceivable that a yubikey-enabled gox diddler exists but has managed to infect only paupers	[04:54]
mircea_popescu	i have yet to see any indication of such wonder in practice.	[04:55]
asciilifeform	not that I believe the linked thread to be evidence of such, mind you	[04:55]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[04:55]
asciilifeform	my only argument, really, is that btc as we know it is a soft target, and that life will become considerably more interesting once the truly competent people take an interest in playing.	[04:56]
optimator	it's hard to assess to validity of any claim, but there is a common factor between her story and this one - http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1e79ig/how_were_my_encrypted_bitcoin_and_litecoin/	[04:56]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform soft but soft in the sense of amoeba	[04:56]
mircea_popescu	or gribble colony	[04:56]
optimator	both had their wallet.dat on truecrypt	[04:57]
mircea_popescu	optimator the reason girl said anything/i'm leading some credence to the claim of 2fa is because this isn't the first case i've heard.	[04:57]
asciilifeform	an amoeba colony, but in a public toilet, waiting for the janitor and his chlorine.	[04:57]
optimator	MITM attack, or just bad random seed for 2fa?	[04:58]
asciilifeform	truecrypt in particular is trivially broken on a compromised machine.	[04:58]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 17 @ 0.015 = 0.255 BTC [-]	[04:58]
mircea_popescu	I used a random 64 character ASCII character password from this site for my truecrypt password.	[04:58]
mircea_popescu	that may have been sniffed maybe >?	[04:58]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.01512 = 0.1966 BTC [+]	[04:58]
optimator	maybe, https with EV certificate	[04:58]
optimator	gox has EV cert making MITM seem unlikely	[04:58]
asciilifeform	optimator: have you personally gone through the trusted public cert store in your browser/OS?	[04:59]
optimator	but I agree I like my own entropy over someone else's - I like my own brand :)	[05:00]
optimator	asciilifeform: no - and it kinda freaks me out. I think SSL cert authentication through a PKI is a gapping hole	[05:01]
asciilifeform	SSL is a joke by design.	[05:01]
mircea_popescu	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1e79ig/how_were_my_encrypted_bitcoin_and_litecoin/c9xjk4s	[05:01]
mircea_popescu	actually this is interesting	[05:01]
mircea_popescu	because of the change issue. wallet.dat was stolen	[05:01]
asciilifeform	btw there is never any real need to steal wallet.dat. all you need to do is patch bitcoind (or whatever) on the disk so that it sends everything to address X when you finally key in the passphrase.	[05:02]
optimator	mircea_popescu: it's very interesting - I like the conclusion of the time the wallet was stolen	[05:02]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform bitcoind is such a mess it'd be easier to make a million dollars being a janitor.	[05:03]
asciilifeform	as far as the world could tell (even if you log all the packets coming out of your home) it will look like you voluntarily donated your stash to X.	[05:03]
mircea_popescu	"I haven't nor will I ask for donations. This truly sucks for me, but I only want to find out how this happened. I wish I could see the code/method used for educational purposes. Fuck people who steal. I strive for bitcoins and litecoins to gain popularity among the masses and become an accepted currency in societies eyes."	[05:03]
mircea_popescu	always funny when people with 85 ltc speak of the masses.	[05:03]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: believe me (or not, your choice) this is actually very, very easy.	[05:04]
mircea_popescu	this.	[05:04]
asciilifeform	this <- patching bitcoind.	[05:04]
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mircea_popescu	"In fact, scratch the social engineering, you don't need to convince someone to run your .exe if you can just run your .exe for them via a Java drive-by attack, and admit it, you've left Java installed for extended periods of time, even if you try to keep it uninstalled normally."	[05:04]
mircea_popescu	people actually still use java ?!	[05:04]
mircea_popescu	"I know I've found this one thing that I just have to download and install Java for, then totally forget or put off uninstalling it afterwards, many a time."	[05:05]
optimator	mircea_popescu: 85 * 3.12 = wealth for the masses	[05:05]
asciilifeform	some people have jre installed for wurk, etc	[05:05]
asciilifeform	and some people shit in their kitchen, yes	[05:05]
mircea_popescu	on an actual machine ?	[05:05]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 76 @ 0.01493999 = 1.1354 BTC [+]	[05:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 258 @ 0.01494 = 3.8545 BTC [+]	[05:05]
asciilifeform	you'd be surprised	[05:06]
mircea_popescu	i guess.	[05:07]
asciilifeform	jre is just a well-known egregous case. drive-bys are regularly discovered in just about every consumer browser	[05:07]
mircea_popescu	but what the fuck for, seriously.	[05:07]
asciilifeform	*egregious	[05:07]
asciilifeform	my other point is that btc ups the ante for working on hard targets as well as soft ones. you can do some very nice MITM with a compromised router, for instance.	[05:09]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 27 @ 0.01512 = 0.4082 BTC [+]	[05:09]
mircea_popescu	"I figured if I was ever the victim of a wallet stealing program, implementing a dummy in the default location would fool it and upload it, rather than my real one, to the attackers choice, but I was wrong."	[05:09]
mircea_popescu	yeah srsly.	[05:09]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform give me an example.	[05:09]
asciilifeform	re: btc specifically?	[05:09]
optimator	ah - the empty-wallet-fake-em-out security measure	[05:10]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform re your router mitm	[05:10]
mircea_popescu	optimator not sure why people imagine machines locate items by name	[05:11]
asciilifeform	feel free to interpret my silence as proof that I'm full of shit, but personally I'm rather fond of living.	[05:11]
mircea_popescu	Used bitcoin-qt and litecoin-qt. For the wallets, those encryption passwords were from memory. The truecrypt password, I always copied and pasted the password from a text file, on a USB drive, inside a password protected winrar file, inside of a password protected winrar file, inside of a password protected winrar file, totaling 3 different password protected rars to reach the .txt file.	[05:12]
mircea_popescu	who the fuck designed this process ;/	[05:12]
mircea_popescu	anyway, thanks optimator, most entertaining link	[05:12]
dub	I have to run 8 year old java versions	[05:12]
asciilifeform	I'll mention one example from places far away. In certain countries, doctored root certs are routinely placed into default ms-windows installs wherever possible.	[05:12]
mircea_popescu	i don't think it has anything to do with the 2fa mtgox issue but anyway	[05:12]
dub	several different ones	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the ideea is, suppose i pass all my traffic through your controlled relay	[05:13]
asciilifeform	then, mass MITM of gmail, etc	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	a linux box, rather than a router, for convenience.	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	so now what ?	[05:13]
dub	almost every ssl cert in this environment is self signed and long epired	[05:13]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.549899 BTC [+]	[05:13]
asciilifeform	now you go to a site with routinely botched ssl, like mtgox (at least in the recent past), and then click "what the hell" when your browser complains	[05:13]
dub	such is corplife	[05:14]
asciilifeform	alternatively, a drive-by is used to make your machine click "yes" for you.	[05:14]
optimator	asciilifeform: don't forget this approach to compromising ssl sercurity - https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/sjs/how-the-nokia-browser-decrypts-ssl-traffic-a-man-in-the-client/	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform except i never use a site over https anyway	[05:15]
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mircea_popescu	dub sux to be you bro.	[05:15]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: yes, the girls calculate RSA signatures for you with paper and pencil	[05:15]
asciilifeform	or ought to	[05:15]
dub	you'll find the same thing at most f500's	[05:15]
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mircea_popescu	why do they need to calculate rsa or wut ?	[05:16]
asciilifeform	to sign mpex messages?	[05:16]
mircea_popescu	mpex is http	[05:16]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.5499 = 3.0998 BTC [+]	[05:16]
asciilifeform	pgp over http (or, someday, over pigeon?)	[05:16]
mircea_popescu	well yes	[05:17]
mircea_popescu	you hadn't noticed ?!	[05:17]
asciilifeform	yes	[05:17]
asciilifeform	as it should be. but if a PC is involved, you might run into strange one day	[05:17]
mircea_popescu	"x86 virtualization is about basically placing another nearly full kernel, full of new bugs, on top of a nasty x86 architecture which barely has correct page protection."	[05:17]
mircea_popescu	great quote that.	[05:18]
mircea_popescu	"Then running your operating system on the other side of this brand new pile of shit. You are absolutely deluded, if not stupid, if you think that a worldwide collection of software engineers who can't write operating systems or applications without security holes, can then turn around and suddenly write virtualization layers without security holes."	[05:18]
asciilifeform	did I write that?	[05:18]
mircea_popescu	i was actually thinking, is this our d friend ?	[05:18]
mircea_popescu	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1e79ig/how_were_my_encrypted_bitcoin_and_litecoin/c9xss1w	[05:18]
asciilifeform	ok, wasn't me this time. but "I approve of this message (tm)"	[05:18]
asciilifeform	vm escapes run the spectrum from the apocalyptic to the "it always worked this way and we don't give a fuck"	[05:19]
asciilifeform	example of the latter: many (most?) xen installs let you set the virtual nic card into promiscuous mode if you root one running os	[05:20]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.5499 = 3.0998 BTC [+]	[05:20]
mircea_popescu	um	[05:21]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.54995 = 4.6499 BTC [+]	[05:21]
mircea_popescu	so what's the point of virtualization then	[05:21]
asciilifeform	so you can rent a "server" to chumps without actually using one up	[05:21]
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asciilifeform	it is like fractional reserve banking for the hosting business.	[05:22]
asciilifeform	some machine architectures (ibm mainframes) had virtualization baked in in an intelligent way, vs. the x86 retrofit	[05:23]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.54998 = 7.7499 BTC [+]	[05:23]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 1.55 = 31 BTC [+]	[05:23]
asciilifeform	but in the pc world it is used as an attempt to paper over the fact that the os sucks	[05:23]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 30 @ 1.55 = 46.5 BTC [+]	[05:23]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.59444 = 7.9722 BTC [+]	[05:24]
mircea_popescu	o i see	[05:24]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 19 @ 1.5999 = 30.3981 BTC [+]	[05:24]
mircea_popescu	this is not a bug as much as a hosting feature	[05:24]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.67 = 10.02 BTC [+]	[05:24]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.6799 BTC [+]	[05:24]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.69 BTC [+]	[05:25]
asciilifeform	it not only lets you sell the same machine many times, but passes the security buck to the chump: "oh, you got rooted? your fault, should have patched yourself"	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	"TC gives you a false sense of security so its worse than no partition encryption."	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	this may actuallty be true	[05:25]
asciilifeform	this is deeply and profoundly true.	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	my impression of the general truecrypt population is that they're not particularly more secure than average	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	just more preocupied with it	[05:25]
optimator	asciilifeform: doesn't it work if you start with the base as the secure OS. Then virtualize your browsing OS, virtualize your bitcoind OS, virtualize your banking OS, but the base is secure	[05:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.01494 = 1.494 BTC [+]	[05:25]
ezdiy	the more the tunnel vision, the more blind spots for obvious stuff	[05:26]
asciilifeform	optimator: if the virtualization scheme has an escape (or even just leaks info) you're just as fucked	[05:26]
asciilifeform	for instance, AFAIK most x86 virtualization setups leak info through the tlb cache (timing)	[05:27]
optimator	assuming the base has been compromised, or our you suggesting the base could become compromised through a virtualized OS	[05:27]
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asciilifeform	the latter.	[05:27]
optimator	how?	[05:27]
asciilifeform	optimator: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_machine_escape	[05:27]
asciilifeform	and if you find a fresh one, I do hope you have better sense than to tell us.	[05:28]
optimator	well fuck	[05:28]
mircea_popescu	http://www.bitcoiney.com/psa-i-had-480-stolen-out-of-my-mt-gox-account-this-morning-despite-having-2-factor-identification-here-is-what-happened	[05:28]
mircea_popescu	actually... there's an update to the story.	[05:29]
asciilifeform	gotta love the advice to file a police report	[05:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 32 @ 0.01494 = 0.4781 BTC [+]	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	totallyu.	[05:29]
asciilifeform	"my house was raided by interstellar bandits, and they took my TV set to alpha centauri." - "please file a police report."	[05:30]
asciilifeform	someone should sit with the chump, and patiently explain that mtgox doesn't talk to your yubikey. it talks to your idiot consumer pc that happens to have a yubikey plugged in, and a display that can output whatever your new owner wants it to.	[05:31]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform read on, she catches on.	[05:32]
asciilifeform	wait a sec, this was your camgirl ?	[05:32]
asciilifeform	the very same?	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	"Edit2: I was finally able to log into my account and found an API key with full rights to everything. I never made one, wtf does this mean?"	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	basically this is a stolen session	[05:33]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform one of, the one with the daytrading.	[05:33]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.69 BTC [+]	[05:34]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.01525 = 0.122 BTC [+]	[05:34]
asciilifeform	the proper course of action in a case like this is to 1) publish a (sanitized) image of your hdd and 2) perform manly seppuku if necessary	[05:34]
optimator	"If mircea trusts me with BTC I cant be too much of a fuckup." optimator wipes tear	[05:34]
asciilifeform	the whining is disappointing	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	eh you lot are just mean.	[05:35]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 105 @ 0.01525 = 1.6013 BTC [+]	[05:35]
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asciilifeform	what, just because she's a girl?	[05:36]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[05:36]
asciilifeform	that's no excuse: http://historum.com/asian-history/14743-jigai-vs-seppuku-japanese-female-suicide.html	[05:36]
mircea_popescu	lol	[05:36]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, as you say. mtgox does not talk to yubikey, it talks to teh computor.	[05:37]
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asciilifeform	perhaps consumers should be encouraged rather than discouraged in their belief that their pc is alive and is inhabited by devils.	[05:38]
mircea_popescu	i don't think she actually understood before what sessions are and how they work	[05:38]
inhies	boobs	[05:39]
asciilifeform	it is rather like, most people are only vaguely aware that they have livers, until the shot rings out and there is an extra bodily orifice suddenly present.	[05:39]
optimator	asciilifeform: my vote for best laugh tonight	[05:39]
mircea_popescu	imo sessions are this idiocy from hell.	[05:40]
asciilifeform	the whole pc orchestra (incl. but not limited to wintel) is idiocy from hell.	[05:40]
mircea_popescu	yes but this is worse.	[05:41]
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mircea_popescu	actually tbh the "logged in" concept, rested on supposed sessionization of a stateless protocol is, imo, the most ridiculous idea of mankind to date.	[05:41]
mircea_popescu	female circumcision makes comparatively a lot more sense.	[05:41]
asciilifeform	but the chumps love it (except when they don't, yes)	[05:41]
mircea_popescu	right	[05:42]
optimator	convenience	[05:42]
mircea_popescu	i mean when it was originally introduced it was like... fuck this shit, nobody cares, it's for some blog.	[05:42]
mircea_popescu	"how bad can it get" etc.	[05:43]
asciilifeform	my point, though, is that even if you dispense with the convenience of sessions and go the full-bore "hair shirt" with a paper one-time-pad or whatnot, a compromised machine is still a compromised machine.	[05:43]
mircea_popescu	well... apparently it can get pretty bad.	[05:43]
optimator	wasn't it all? I mean what could go wrong with a local hosts file?	[05:43]
mircea_popescu	very true	[05:43]
mircea_popescu	i guess in the competition for "worst idea to date" they're all winners.	[05:44]
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asciilifeform	the one common idea here is that keeping one's money in a public toilet is a Bad Thing.	[05:44]
mircea_popescu	esp if your money smells	[05:45]
mircea_popescu	worse than the toilet	[05:45]
dub	but.. thats where I spend it?	[05:45]
mircea_popescu	i thought that;'s where you made it.	[05:45]
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dub	lol	[05:45]
mircea_popescu	somebody needs to make a new tcp/ip stack	[05:45]
mircea_popescu	one that crypts natively	[05:45]
mircea_popescu	basically a sort of otr for ip	[05:46]
asciilifeform	on a new machine architecture, that crypts ram/disk natively, and a number of other essentials...	[05:46]
dub	call it bittoken ring	[05:46]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yeah	[05:46]
mircea_popescu	ideally your machine would come with a one disk onetimepad	[05:46]
mircea_popescu	1tb or w/e worth of it.	[05:46]
mod6	that'd be pretty cool	[05:46]
mircea_popescu	throw it out when done	[05:47]
asciilifeform	except that phrasing the problem as a failure to encrypt is misleading	[05:47]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform no it's not. identity is cryptity.	[05:47]
asciilifeform	well yes	[05:47]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.01525 = 0.1983 BTC [+]	[05:47]
asciilifeform	but when you routinely unearth the plaintext onto potentially-compromised hardware, you are shitting in your kitchen	[05:47]
mircea_popescu	the problem quite fundamentally is a pretense to have identity outside of cryptography	[05:47]
mircea_popescu	no such thing is possible.	[05:47]
mircea_popescu	anything pretending to exist outside of a cryptographic identity is living in a state of sin.	[05:48]
asciilifeform	recall the story by your PR girl?	[05:48]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform which one ?	[05:48]
optimator	mircea_popescu: trust, you have to start somewhere	[05:48]
mircea_popescu	optimator no but look, the very notion of identity, ie, the possibility to distinguish X from Adam	[05:49]
mircea_popescu	rests strictly on some form of encryption.	[05:49]
asciilifeform	this one: http://thewhet.net/2012/shall-be-delivered/	[05:49]
mircea_popescu	but i mean strictly.	[05:49]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform a yes	[05:49]
asciilifeform	and, of course, the grandfather of them all: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cold_Equations	[05:50]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1000 @ 0.00285 = 2.85 BTC [-]	[05:50]
optimator	mircea_popescu: yes, but all predicated on trust - even WoT has issues scaling	[05:50]
mircea_popescu	what issues specifically ?	[05:50]
optimator	the further you are away from x+1 the less trust you can have	[05:51]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 124 @ 0.01525 = 1.891 BTC [+]	[05:51]
mircea_popescu	so ?	[05:51]
optimator	how do I know my banking site is really my banking site	[05:52]
mircea_popescu	because they sign your slip with their signature.	[05:52]
asciilifeform	what most people don't get is that your computer is your priest, doctor, and shrink all in one box: http://glyf.livejournal.com/46589.html	[05:52]
optimator	how do I get their public key?	[05:52]
mircea_popescu	optimator you exchange keys when you start your relationship	[05:52]
mircea_popescu	you give them yours they give you theirs as part of account opening	[05:52]
optimator	right. x+1	[05:53]
asciilifeform	you are trusting the work of ten thousand people (some of whom think your flesh is rather tasty) when you ask it to represent the world to your eyes and act on your behalf.	[05:53]
mircea_popescu	optimator for some reason i don't see the problem you see ?	[05:53]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 62 @ 0.0153 = 0.9486 BTC [+]	[05:53]
asciilifeform	imagine if someone were to "root" your eyes and your hands.	[05:54]
mircea_popescu	"Participants in the DRM debate implicitly hold the view that the ownership of your operating system, your personal information, and your media is a complex, joint relationship between you, your operating system vendor, the authors of the applications you run, and the owners of any media that pass through that application. Prevailing wisdom is that the way any given software behaves should be jointly determined by all	[05:54]
mircea_popescu	these parties, factoring in all their interests, and that the argument is simply a matter of degree: who should be given how much control, and by what mechanism."	[05:54]
mircea_popescu	lmao good one.	[05:54]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 188 @ 0.0153 = 2.8764 BTC [+]	[05:54]
mircea_popescu	only an american could actually think this.	[05:54]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01544 = 0.772 BTC [+]	[05:54]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.0155 = 0.31 BTC [+]	[05:55]
asciilifeform	"The "you don't own your computer" paradigm is not merely wrong. It is violently, disastrously wrong, and the consequences of this error are likely to be felt for generations to come, unless steps are taken to prevent it."	[05:55]
mircea_popescu	i don't think it's anything of the sort.	[05:55]
mircea_popescu	a computer is clearly defined.	[05:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.01495 = 0.0299 BTC [+]	[05:55]
mircea_popescu	the chinese may make plaster things which on the surface look like computers	[05:56]
mircea_popescu	and try to inject tyhem into trade as combuders or w/e	[05:56]
mircea_popescu	this has no bearing.	[05:56]
mircea_popescu	a computer is a computer.	[05:56]
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optimator	following the example... if I want to transfer money via wire to another bank, then my bank establishes a relationship with bank b. I trust the key exchange has worked. Bank b is X+2. For X-n the WoT breaks down	[05:56]
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mircea_popescu	optimator if you transfer money via wire you send it to your bank with instructions	[05:56]
mircea_popescu	they send it to their correspondent with instructions	[05:57]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: yes, but the false implication is that someone, somewhere on Planet 3 can actually buy a computer. in actual fact, they can only buy a "combuder."	[05:57]
mircea_popescu	nobody promoted you to the job of wire central clearance house.	[05:57]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i don't seem to have much trouble buying a computer	[05:57]
optimator	no that's where I trust	[05:57]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: I sincerely hope you're joking	[05:57]
mircea_popescu	your objections re x86 architecture aside	[05:58]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.0153 = 0.1224 BTC [-]	[05:58]
mircea_popescu	the fact that one can still hack banks to this day is proof enough	[05:58]
optimator	how about firmware signed with their public key. I have to trust they exchanged it with A who exchanged it with B that finally gets to me	[05:58]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0159 BTC [+]	[05:58]
mircea_popescu	optimator so ?	[05:58]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the fact that all of your assets appear to be roughly where they are supposed to be is proof only of your good fortune.	[05:58]
optimator	What is it does A->B->c->D and c is the bad guy?	[05:59]
mircea_popescu	optimator recently we've had some practical testing of this.	[05:59]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 84 @ 0.0153 = 1.2852 BTC [-]	[05:59]
mircea_popescu	you can to this day send orders to mpex via proxies no matter how dirty.	[05:59]
mircea_popescu	the most they can do is relay.	[05:59]
asciilifeform	banks, interestingly, don't terribly mind being hackable, because sovereigns can sort of reverse their fuckups for them. and at any rate, they pass the cost onto chumps.	[05:59]
asciilifeform	btc is where the cold equations meet your skin up close and personal	[06:00]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you read that excellent piece re base vs acid ?	[06:00]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: ?	[06:00]
optimator	asciilifeform: please we call it a haircut, don't refer to the customers as chumps	[06:00]
mircea_popescu	http://highscalability.com/blog/2013/5/1/myth-eric-brewer-on-why-banks-are-base-not-acid-availability.html	[06:00]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 70 @ 0.0159 = 1.113 BTC [+]	[06:00]
mircea_popescu	in general commerce has always worked on the basis of reconciliation	[06:01]
asciilifeform	no serious surprise here	[06:01]
optimator	mircea_popescu: I agree your model works, but if, in my example, c does bad stuff - I don't think you can tell. You simple have trusted others in the chain	[06:01]
mircea_popescu	optimator so ?	[06:02]
mircea_popescu	just because you're a shut-in doesn't mean the world can work on your paradigm.	[06:02]
ThickAsThieves	TAT.ASICMINER just passed S.MPOE for all time sales volume on BTCT.co	[06:02]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 29 @ 0.0159 = 0.4611 BTC [+]	[06:02]
mircea_popescu	trust is central to society, and to the continuation of teh species.	[06:02]
asciilifeform	so far, whenever banks get burned, ultimately some nice fellows with printing presses (or automatic weapons, if need be) show up to make them whole again.	[06:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.01495 = 0.7475 BTC [+]	[06:02]
optimator	ha! idk, i just see it as an issue - maybe just me - sure	[06:02]
mircea_popescu	optimator i don't even mean you personally	[06:03]
asciilifeform	btc is the first step into the fun world of interstellar commerce, where fuckups are between you and your gods to cry over	[06:03]
mircea_popescu	i'm just saying, a relationship of trust isn't a weakpoint per se. it can be a strongpoint.	[06:03]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.016 = 0.48 BTC [+]	[06:03]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves so good for you.	[06:04]
asciilifeform	anyone who cried over the ending of "shall be delivered" (http://thewhet.net/2012/shall-be-delivered/) hasn't really made peace with the cold equations yet.	[06:04]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 150 @ 0.01615 = 2.4225 BTC [+]	[06:04]
asciilifeform	"who do you sue when your parachute doesn't open"	[06:05]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.01615 = 0.4038 BTC [+]	[06:06]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 448 @ 0.01495 = 6.6976 BTC [+]	[06:10]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 19 @ 0.01615 = 0.3069 BTC [+]	[06:16]
KRS-1	Zzzzzzzzzz somebody do something	[06:16]
KRS-1	I'm about to go back to forex	[06:16]
mircea_popescu	lol	[06:17]
asciilifeform	recall the fellow in MP's comments who implied that secure systems were used by banks to secure "trillion dollar transactions" ?	[06:18]
asciilifeform	http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/some-basic-discussion-of-bitcoin-macroeconomy/	[06:18]
asciilifeform	trillion dollar transactions in fiat are secured via "Ultima Ratio Regum."	[06:19]
asciilifeform	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ultima_Ratio_Regum_Cannon.jpg	[06:19]
asciilifeform	in btc, we will need actual mechanical security.	[06:19]
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mircea_popescu	um	[06:25]
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KRS-1	what was gox volume this time last year	[06:30]
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optimator	oh geez, I just got sucked into Tilde’s story	[06:36]
KRS-1	~	[06:36]
mircea_popescu	which ?	[06:36]
optimator	http://thewhet.net/2012/shall-be-delivered/	[06:37]
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mircea_popescu	a	[06:37]
optimator	broken trust	[06:37]
optimator	but I say that with a :(	[06:38]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.674999 BTC [-]	[06:38]
mircea_popescu	yeah	[06:39]
optimator	so on to happier thoughts	[06:40]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.674999 BTC [-]	[06:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.675 = 3.35 BTC [+]	[06:47]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.69 = 10.14 BTC [+]	[06:47]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.01615 = 0.0969 BTC [+]	[06:56]
mircea_popescu	lol this irs/teaparty thing is going great.	[06:59]
mircea_popescu	i think putin is loling hard atm.	[06:59]
mod6	haha, he probably is	[07:02]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.01616 = 0.1454 BTC [+]	[07:02]
mircea_popescu	soon there's goping to be all this us persecuted intellectuals flocking to the russian embassy	[07:02]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.01616 = 0.1778 BTC [+]	[07:02]
mircea_popescu	a la depardieu	[07:03]
mod6	they say that more people have turned in their US passports this year than in any other year in history.	[07:06]
mircea_popescu	this is true	[07:06]
mircea_popescu	same was true of 2012	[07:06]
mircea_popescu	rich skilled people leave to asia and the middle east, poor people arive from latin america. "the us is becoming browner"	[07:07]
mod6	http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2013/05/08/citizenship-taxes-irs/ << 670 from the looks of this article.	[07:08]
mod6	from what I've read, it seems like mexican immigration to the U.S has slowed signifigantly in the last few years...	[07:09]
mircea_popescu	well i was taking a more decades average sort of thing	[07:10]
mod6	oh yeah. then for sure.	[07:10]
mircea_popescu	on a yearly basis yeah, immigration isn't what the 80s used to be	[07:10]
mod6	when I lived in Tucson, it was crazy. there were like bodies being found in the desert all the time that had died from exposure.	[07:11]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 22 @ 0.01616 = 0.3555 BTC [+]	[07:11]
mod6	so they had these volunteer programs that people would participate in to drop off water in the desert where people could find it... and even shoes with maps sewed into the tounges to help people find the way through the desert.	[07:12]
mod6	srsly.	[07:12]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 22 @ 0.01616 = 0.3555 BTC [+]	[07:13]
mircea_popescu	heh	[07:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.4644 = 1.3932 BTC [+]	[07:13]
mod6	when i first moved down there 10 years ago, there wasn't any real border patrol presense, but now? huge.	[07:14]
dub	hrm	[07:15]
dub	I should cash out of bfl	[07:15]
mircea_popescu	lol what	[07:15]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 47 @ 0.01619 = 0.7609 BTC [+]	[07:15]
dub	someone talking about paying 45btc for a 4000 range preorder in the auction forum	[07:15]
mircea_popescu	what product is that /	[07:16]
dub	65gh single	[07:16]
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dub	im wondering what they would pay for a FPGA single with a 1700 (first 24hrs) upgrade order	[07:17]
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optimator	dub: at current diff you'd earn 45 btc in 20 days.	[07:18]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.01619 = 0.0486 BTC [+]	[07:18]
dub	meaningless but true	[07:19]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 97 @ 0.01619 = 1.5704 BTC [+]	[07:19]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.69 = 5.07 BTC [+]	[07:19]
optimator	well 45 btc now is a hedge against difficulty increase	[07:19]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.69 = 11.83 BTC [+]	[07:19]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01619 = 0.0324 BTC [+]	[07:22]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.0162 = 0.324 BTC [+]	[07:24]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.0162 = 0.0972 BTC [+]	[07:25]
mircea_popescu	optimator no, it's a hedge against bfl never delivering it	[07:28]
optimator	well that too	[07:29]
optimator	I'd like to think they're just incompetent rather than executing the long con	[07:30]
mircea_popescu	they are incompetently executing the randomcon	[07:31]
optimator	lol	[07:31]
mod6	trollcon	[07:32]
mod6	heh, remember when vrag would battle these guys? i miss that.	[07:36]
mircea_popescu	*????	[07:37]
mircea_popescu	Disclaimer: I don't know the much about stock/shares, etc and I don't have the ability to program such a complex piece of software – but I believe I can make it happen and think this is currently a good idea. Please critque my idea. I'm open minded about all of it.	[07:37]
mircea_popescu	fucking shot these people.	[07:37]
mircea_popescu	mod6 ya, pity he disapeared himself.	[07:37]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.654005 BTC [-]	[07:38]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.654004 BTC [-]	[07:39]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.654 BTC [-]	[07:39]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.65 = 3.3 BTC [-]	[07:39]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.64 BTC [-]	[07:39]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.63 BTC [-]	[07:39]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.69 = 3.38 BTC [+]	[07:40]
mod6	Whatever I can do to help (javascript programmer). << lol	[07:42]
mod6	who styles themselfs as a JS programmer anyway!? eek	[07:43]
mircea_popescu	i think pigeons recalls this exchange some kids were starting about mid 2012	[07:43]
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mircea_popescu	or maybe just after glbse death	[07:43]
mircea_popescu	it had an irc chan andeverything	[07:43]
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Scrat	JS programmer == I'm a huge faggot please rape my face	[07:47]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.01616 = 0.1131 BTC [-]	[07:47]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.01615 = 0.21 BTC [-]	[07:47]
mircea_popescu	Scrat more like, im 14 and trying to get into this computer stuff.	[07:47]
*	Scrat is a pretty good js programmer	[07:48]
Scrat	no MP, that's visual basic	[07:48]
mod6	lol but i doubt you run around telling people about it, Scrat	[07:48]
Diablo-D3	>ks	[07:49]
Diablo-D3	er	[07:49]
Diablo-D3	>js	[07:49]
mircea_popescu	he codes malboge compilers in js	[07:49]
Diablo-D3	>programming	[07:49]
Diablo-D3	wat	[07:49]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 17 @ 1.69 = 28.73 BTC [+]	[07:49]
*	mod6 looks up malboge and lulz	[07:50]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 224 @ 0.0162 = 3.6288 BTC [+]	[07:50]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 250 @ 0.0163 = 4.075 BTC [+]	[07:51]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.0165 = 0.33 BTC [+]	[07:51]
dub	the problem with selling the bfl order	[07:51]
dub	is forum	[07:51]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.69 = 6.76 BTC [+]	[07:52]
dub	suppose I could pay someone to proxy	[07:52]
mircea_popescu	i recomend usagi.	[07:52]
dub	sounds legit	[07:52]
Diablo-D3	lol usagi	[07:52]
Diablo-D3	whatever happened to him	[07:52]
Diablo-D3	is he in jail yet	[07:52]
mircea_popescu	hopefully mnw buys it	[07:53]
mircea_popescu	so then dub will have sold his putative inaba product to mnw via usagi	[07:53]
mircea_popescu	btc is going through 200 per with this design	[07:53]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.69 = 8.45 BTC [+]	[07:53]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.7 BTC [+]	[07:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.1 BTC [-]	[07:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.01559999 BTC [+]	[07:57]
Diablo-D3	so	[07:58]
Diablo-D3	I wonder if the btcmc stock DMC owns will ever be worth something	[07:58]
optimator	dub: it seems the better hype to reward factor is on ebay	[07:58]
optimator	i mean 1700 order fpga trade in asic 65 gh/s has a lot of buzz words in it	[08:00]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 33 @ 0.017 = 0.561 BTC [+]	[08:01]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.7 BTC [+]	[08:02]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 265 @ 0.015 = 3.975 BTC [-]	[08:05]
dub	http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/14/opinion/my-medical-choice.html?_r=3&	[08:07]
Chaang-Noi	odd asicminer on btct.co is 1.7	[08:07]
dub	if MNW buys it I'm shipping with bonus ricin	[08:07]
Chaang-Noi	dub, ill help!	[08:07]
dub	I don't hink they make ricin from rice	[08:08]
Chaang-Noi	we ahve beans here too	[08:08]
dub	something like ebola would be more fun	[08:08]
Chaang-Noi	none of that here, but i agree	[08:09]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.699999 BTC [-]	[08:11]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.7 BTC [+]	[08:11]
BitHub	woooo 1.7	[08:12]
BitHub	what a beast	[08:12]
Chaang-Noi	lol i was trying to get infront of them orders	[08:12]
mircea_popescu	I made a decision to have a preventive double mastectomy.	[08:12]
Chaang-Noi	fuck btct.co is slow	[08:12]
mircea_popescu	this is perverse	[08:12]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.69999 = 16.9999 BTC [-]	[08:12]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.7 = 8.5 BTC [+]	[08:13]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.01644 = 0.0493 BTC [-]	[08:14]
Diablo-D3	man, it should be illegal to have a preventative mastectomy	[08:14]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 20 @ 0.003155 = 0.0631 BTC [+]	[08:14]
Diablo-D3	punishment, you shall be permanently mounted on a framework where people will fuck you all day long	[08:15]
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Diablo-D3	since they cant play with your tits, your ass and cunt will be good enough	[08:15]
mircea_popescu	doesnt sound like such punishment	[08:15]
BitHub	mah god	[08:15]
Diablo-D3		[08:15]
BitHub	this beast is going to get to 2btc a share before next div	[08:15]
*	Diablo-D3 runs	[08:15]
mircea_popescu	besides, she's got some baloons installed	[08:15]
Diablo-D3	mircea_popescu: its just not the same thing, really	[08:15]
mircea_popescu	she claims it is.	[08:15]
Diablo-D3	ever feel up a chick with fake tits?	[08:15]
mircea_popescu	sounded more like a weirdo ad than anything, but anyway.	[08:15]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[08:15]
Diablo-D3	you can TELL its not the real thing	[08:16]
mircea_popescu	depends	[08:16]
Diablo-D3	I have never felt a set of fake tits that felt real	[08:17]
Diablo-D3	they dont feel real, they dont look real	[08:17]
mircea_popescu	in general the cheaper/older jobs are suckier	[08:17]
mod6	Diablo-D3 wants tits to authenticate with gribble first	[08:17]
mircea_popescu	but the better/newer stuff is passible	[08:17]
Diablo-D3	mircea_popescu: well, the real problem is	[08:18]
Diablo-D3	some chick gets a set of Ds, right?	[08:18]
Diablo-D3	NO SAG	[08:18]
mircea_popescu	well no d's	[08:18]
mircea_popescu	very large jobs are of course evident	[08:18]
Diablo-D3	anything bigger than an A needs sag	[08:18]
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mircea_popescu	"In neighboring Venezuela, where implants are so popular they are sometimes even given to girls by their parents as a 15th birthday gift or as prizes in fund-raising raffles, there were frissons of anxiety among the many thousands of surgically enhanced women."	[08:20]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, off for today. take it ezzy all	[08:21]
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mod6	night	[08:22]
*	Now talking on #bitcoin-assets	[15:29]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com/	[15:29]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 13 14:15:50 2013	[15:29]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 393 @ 0.016305 = 6.4079 BTC [+]	[15:31]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01637 = 1.637 BTC [+]	[15:31]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01644 = 1.644 BTC [+]	[15:32]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01655 = 1.655 BTC [+]	[15:32]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01664 = 0.832 BTC [+]	[15:32]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[15:35]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 118.82003, Best ask: 118.89000, Bid-ask spread: 0.06997, Last trade: 118.89000, 24 hour volume: 24707.07845915, 24 hour low: 116.02500, 24 hour high: 119.54900, 24 hour vwap: 117.87356	[15:35]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01639 = 0.8195 BTC [-]	[15:36]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 75 @ 0.01644 = 1.233 BTC [+]	[15:36]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01655 = 1.655 BTC [+]	[15:37]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01659 = 1.659 BTC [+]	[15:37]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 125 @ 0.01664 = 2.08 BTC [+]	[15:38]
kakobrekla	wtf is diz nuts https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=180717.0	[15:38]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.7499 = 6.9996 BTC [+]	[15:39]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01669 = 1.669 BTC [+]	[15:40]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.75 = 7 BTC [+]	[15:40]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.75 = 7 BTC [+]	[15:40]
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Namworld	What's wrong with that?	[15:40]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01669 = 1.669 BTC [+]	[15:41]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.7589 = 3.5178 BTC [+]	[15:41]
Chaang-Noi	all stocks are dead buy asic miner?	[15:41]
Chaang-Noi	but*	[15:41]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01662 = 0.831 BTC [-]	[15:41]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01669 = 0.8345 BTC [+]	[15:42]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01657 = 0.8285 BTC [-]	[15:42]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01669 = 0.8345 BTC [+]	[15:42]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01669 = 0.8345 BTC [+]	[15:43]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla more of the same ripple stuff neh ?	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	it's how it works.	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	"Security:	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	• Without giving details, we have created a redundant system. The web front end is separated from the server."	[15:44]
kakobrekla	dunno i just skimmed through it and looks wtf.	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	"we won't mention where we got this from, god forbid we actually get some market goodwill"	[15:44]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01667 BTC [-]	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	well most ripple looks wtf, at least to my untrained eye./	[15:45]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 12 @ 0.01667 = 0.2 BTC [-]	[15:45]
Chaang-Noi	ripple does not seem like it will ever work	[15:45]
Chaang-Noi	maybe i guess if enough people but money and time into it, but they will have to all trust each other, seems risky	[15:46]
Chaang-Noi	esp when we ahve btc, ripple seems like a step backwards to me.	[15:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.01662 = 0.0831 BTC [-]	[15:46]
Chaang-Noi	mp, you heard about the newest reptilia lulz?	[15:46]
mircea_popescu	i must have missed it	[15:46]
ThickAsThieves	CNN needs time to buy some bitcoin	[15:47]
ThickAsThieves	;;title http://money.cnn.com/2013/05/14/investing/bremmer-bitcoin/index.html?hpt=hp_t3	[15:47]
gribble	Error: This url is not on the whitelist.	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	lol whoa	[15:47]
Chaang-Noi	seems he was robbede and the hotel overcharged him	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	Chaang-Noi o that. heh.	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	as in the hotel charged him for the damage to the room	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	and the hookers expected to be paid ?	[15:47]
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Chaang-Noi	i kinda doubt either happened	[15:47]
ThickAsThieves	convenient this article promotes Amazon and AMEX coins	[15:48]
Chaang-Noi	i think he just booked shit for 20 people and no one showed up, and then btc went down when he thought it would be 1000	[15:48]
ThickAsThieves	news or advertising, you be the judge...	[15:48]
mircea_popescu	Chaang-Noi that too.	[15:48]
Chaang-Noi	just my guess, i did not fully check out everything	[15:48]
Chaang-Noi	he lol, he seems like a nutter, i dont think he will ever get his supernode network set up if he acts like this	[15:49]
ThickAsThieves	can i buy a supernode with XRP?	[15:49]
Chaang-Noi	im not sure	[15:49]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[15:49]
Chaang-Noi	from his chart it would seems so, as long as you convert it to btc	[15:50]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.7589 = 3.5178 BTC [+]	[15:50]
ThickAsThieves	if so, I'll hop on my unicorn and make delivery	[15:50]
Chaang-Noi	but you are ging to need about all the rippels evar	[15:50]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.7589 = 5.2767 BTC [+]	[15:51]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.01659 = 0.4148 BTC [-]	[15:52]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1059 BTC [-]	[15:53]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.778 = 5.334 BTC [+]	[15:54]
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Chaang-Noi	lol ltc be free fallin	[15:54]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.1059 = 0.2118 BTC [-]	[15:55]
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mircea_popescu	http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/the-poster-child-for-github-retardation/	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	github has jumped the shark.	[15:56]
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Chaang-Noi	jumped a shark eh?	[15:57]
Chaang-Noi	i almost ran into a croc 2 days ago on the fucking highway	[15:58]
mircea_popescu	Chaang-Noi its an idiomatic.	[15:58]
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Chaang-Noi	yeah i assumed cuz of context	[15:59]
Chaang-Noi	but it made me think of that croc on the highway	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	it's when a show goes rto shit	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	especially a long running thing like a serial	[15:59]
Chaang-Noi	never seen that shit before	[15:59]
Chaang-Noi	man its only 8 pm and im tired as fuck	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/JumpingTheShark	[16:00]
Chaang-Noi	ahh cuz the fin, interesting	[16:01]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 1.77 = 15.93 BTC [-]	[16:02]
Chaang-Noi	1.77 insane	[16:02]
Namworld	I shouldn't have sold at .41 I guess...	[16:02]
Chaang-Noi	:)	[16:02]
Chaang-Noi	i sold some at .4	[16:03]
ThickerThanThiev	insane	[16:03]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i like how your recent asset is somehow dominating the older oens	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	am i missing something here ?!	[16:04]
ThickAsThieves	well, market is telling me I need to sell 5% below	[16:04]
ThickAsThieves	due to me keeping 5% of divs	[16:04]
ThickAsThieves	which shows you market's bad math	[16:04]
ThickAsThieves	but oh well	[16:05]
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mircea_popescu	hey, more power to you.	[16:05]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 18 @ 0.00358 = 0.0644 BTC [-]	[16:07]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.77 BTC [-]	[16:07]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.779 BTC [+]	[16:10]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.7795 = 7.118 BTC [+]	[16:10]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 167 @ 0.00358 = 0.5979 BTC [-]	[16:10]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.779999 BTC [+]	[16:10]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.779999 = 5.34 BTC [+]	[16:11]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.78 = 5.34 BTC [+]	[16:11]
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Uglux	"The question in any gold rush is who will do better: the people mining, or the people selling the shovels? ASICMiner decided they can do both." ---> this	[16:17]
Chaang-Noi	:)	[16:17]
Chaang-Noi	they are going to do what ever is more profitable	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	Uglux https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=201268.msg2141827#msg2141827 that.	[16:19]
Uglux	"who will be spending 2 BTC on gear that will never in its useful lifetime mine 2 BTC." I wil solo mine with 4 sticks and a rpi for the lulz :)	[16:23]
Uglux	div paid it already :P	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	right	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	but this isn't economical thinking.	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	this is just hobbist having fun.	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	not a basis for discussing finance.	[16:23]
Namworld	Which means if mining ever becomes very unprofitable, ASICMINER can just keep selling at a profit to hobbyists...	[16:25]
Namworld	Unless someone really beat them hard time on cost performance	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	Namworld http://bitbet.us/bet/450/bitfurys-asic-will-work-with-power-1/ for instance.	[16:27]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.77 BTC [-]	[16:30]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.77 BTC [-]	[16:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 7 @ 0.01608999 = 0.1126 BTC [+]	[16:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 18 @ 0.01608999 = 0.2896 BTC [+]	[16:34]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.223315 BTC [+]	[16:36]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 240 @ 0.00358 = 0.8592 BTC [-]	[16:37]
*	kakobrekla has changed the topic to: http://bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://log.bitcoin-assets.com - most days worth reading, I heard.	[16:38]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 8 @ 0.000666 = 0.0053 BTC [-]	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	lol	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	i wonder how long that lasts.	[16:39]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01628 = 1.628 BTC [-]	[16:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01627 = 1.627 BTC [-]	[16:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01626 = 1.626 BTC [-]	[16:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 200 @ 0.01625 = 3.25 BTC [-]	[16:46]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01649 = 1.649 BTC [+]	[16:50]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01655 = 1.655 BTC [+]	[16:51]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.01659 = 0.4148 BTC [+]	[16:53]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 75 @ 0.01659 = 1.2443 BTC [+]	[16:53]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 75 @ 0.01659 = 1.2443 BTC [+]	[16:53]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01659 = 1.659 BTC [+]	[16:54]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.016201 = 1.6201 BTC [-]	[16:54]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 45 @ 0.01662 = 0.7479 BTC [+]	[16:54]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 105 @ 0.01662 = 1.7451 BTC [+]	[16:55]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01662 = 0.831 BTC [+]	[16:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.01608999 = 0.0644 BTC [+]	[16:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.1001 BTC [-]	[16:57]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.01665 = 0.1166 BTC [+]	[16:57]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.01665 = 0.4995 BTC [+]	[16:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 28 @ 0.01608999 = 0.4505 BTC [+]	[16:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 14 @ 0.4646 = 6.5044 BTC [+]	[16:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.46474008 = 0.9295 BTC [+]	[16:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 24 @ 0.46475 = 11.154 BTC [+]	[16:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.4646 = 1.3938 BTC [-]	[17:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.4646 = 0.9292 BTC [-]	[17:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 72 @ 0.01629 = 1.1729 BTC [+]	[17:02]
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davout	assbot should come in #bitcoin-anal	[17:10]
davout	x)	[17:10]
kakobrekla	lol	[17:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00067909 = 3.2936 BTC [-]	[17:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 579 @ 0.00068011 = 0.3938 BTC [+]	[17:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5071 @ 0.00068146 = 3.4557 BTC [+]	[17:12]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01639 = 0.8195 BTC [-]	[17:14]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 2 @ 0.00206 = 0.0041 BTC [-]	[17:15]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01643 = 0.8215 BTC [+]	[17:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 2.15 = 4.3 BTC [+]	[17:18]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.764895 BTC [-]	[17:18]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01646 = 0.823 BTC [+]	[17:21]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01646 = 0.823 BTC [+]	[17:22]
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ThickAsThieves	BTCTC totally stalls every time someone makes an order	[17:23]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.76648 BTC [+]	[17:23]
ThickAsThieves	could i crash the prices if i put in a bunch of Qty 1 orders? ;)	[17:24]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [+]	[17:24]
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mircea_popescu	lol getting goxed	[17:26]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.766945 BTC [+]	[17:26]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01649 = 0.8245 BTC [+]	[17:27]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.76798 BTC [+]	[17:28]
ThickAsThieves	it's very interesting to see the volume difference across these 3 exchanges	[17:28]
ThickAsThieves	BTCT is killing it	[17:28]
ThickAsThieves	the Havelock had a great first few days	[17:28]
ThickAsThieves	and sold the most overall	[17:28]
ThickAsThieves	but has stalled	[17:28]
ThickAsThieves	and Bitfunder is like waaaay behind	[17:28]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.767489 BTC [-]	[17:29]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01649 = 0.8245 BTC [+]	[17:29]
ThickAsThieves	also intersting that people are leaving cheaper shares in Butfunder alone	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	it seems ukto's decision to split off didn't work out for him then, i recall it was about at parity with btctc	[17:29]
ThickAsThieves	split off?	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	six months or so ago	[17:29]
ThickAsThieves	they were a team?	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	well didn't he make his own chan and everything rather than pipe into assbot ?	[17:30]
ThickAsThieves	i'm not quite sure his reasoning there	[17:30]
ThickAsThieves	he tells me it's that web socket is just better	[17:30]
ThickAsThieves	but his bot does die often	[17:30]
ThickAsThieves	he has live orderbooks	[17:30]
ThickAsThieves	so that helps	[17:30]
ThickAsThieves	but i do prefer asbot	[17:30]
ThickAsThieves	assbot*	[17:30]
ThickAsThieves	all things in one place	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	you mean like $depth ?	[17:31]
ThickAsThieves	like if you have an asset page up	[17:31]
ThickAsThieves	he has AJAX or sumth	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	o it ajaxes ?	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	yeah	[17:31]
ThickAsThieves	its pretty neat	[17:31]
ThickAsThieves	but	[17:31]
ThickAsThieves	i still want tickers in channel	[17:31]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.0165 = 0.825 BTC [+]	[17:31]
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ThickAsThieves	i'm trying to sort out why BF is not popular	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	yea	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	i think that's why.	[17:32]
ThickAsThieves	so the assbot acts as free aadvertising	[17:32]
ThickAsThieves	i also think that you need two accounts to use BF hurts it	[17:33]
ThickAsThieves	Weex / BF	[17:33]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01652 = 0.826 BTC [+]	[17:33]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.0165 = 0.825 BTC [-]	[17:35]
ll	i dont use it for that reason	[17:35]
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ThickAsThieves	once you have it set up its not a big deal	[17:36]
ThickAsThieves	but i can see how it acts as initial barrier	[17:36]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01652 = 0.826 BTC [+]	[17:37]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.76878 BTC [+]	[17:39]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01655 = 0.8275 BTC [+]	[17:40]
knotwork_	Anyone know anything about CAvirtex? Like whether anyone has gotten any withdrawals from them lately at all?	[17:41]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01655 = 0.8275 BTC [+]	[17:41]
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mircea_popescu	afaik some people have been waitingfor some time.	[17:41]
ThickAsThieves	interesting	[17:42]
ThickAsThieves	maybe Canada wants to close them too	[17:42]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4 BTC [-]	[17:42]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01655 = 0.8275 BTC [+]	[17:43]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.76888 BTC [+]	[17:43]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01655 = 0.8275 BTC [+]	[17:44]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01655 = 0.8275 BTC [+]	[17:46]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.769 = 3.538 BTC [+]	[17:47]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01655 = 0.8275 BTC [+]	[17:49]
knotwork_	My bank xfer is within its days (from friday) but "same day" payza transfers from sat and sun are not at payza yet	[17:49]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01658 = 0.829 BTC [+]	[17:49]
ThickAsThieves	so basically, not one publically traded bitcoin exchange has worked out yet	[17:50]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.769 BTC [+]	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[17:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 15 @ 0.01629 = 0.2444 BTC [+]	[17:53]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01658 = 0.829 BTC [+]	[17:53]
kakobrekla	i was dreaming that yest.	[17:54]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 4 @ 0.01 = 0.04 BTC [+]	[17:54]
kakobrekla	srs	[17:54]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01655 BTC [-]	[17:54]
ThickAsThieves	dreaming about virtex?	[17:54]
ThickAsThieves	geez, BTCTC is hanging for like minutes for each order...	[17:55]
ThickAsThieves	goxed indeed	[17:55]
kakobrekla	about ipo of some clearing house in panama or some shit	[17:55]
ThickAsThieves	panamirtex	[17:56]
ThickAsThieves	panex	[17:56]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01661 = 0.8305 BTC [+]	[17:56]
ThickAsThieves	gox isnt going anywhere any time soon	[17:57]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 49 @ 0.01655 = 0.811 BTC [-]	[17:57]
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ThickAsThieves	cuz every reason really, other than not being exemplary	[17:58]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01661 = 0.8305 BTC [+]	[17:58]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01661 = 0.8305 BTC [+]	[17:59]
ThickAsThieves	i guess you could say they are institutionalized at this point	[17:59]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.01665 = 0.2165 BTC [+]	[18:00]
ThickAsThieves	surely, but comes with much stress	[18:00]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.01665 = 0.4163 BTC [+]	[18:00]
ThickAsThieves	if they can keep their heads they can continue to make bank	[18:00]
ThickAsThieves	for years	[18:01]
jcpham	derp	[18:01]
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ThickAsThieves	maybe even be the bank	[18:01]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.01665 = 0.4163 BTC [+]	[18:01]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.01665 = 0.4163 BTC [+]	[18:02]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01659 = 1.659 BTC [-]	[18:02]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 18 @ 0.01659 = 0.2986 BTC [-]	[18:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 163 @ 0.01629 = 2.6553 BTC [+]	[18:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 75 @ 0.01633 = 1.2248 BTC [+]	[18:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 425 @ 0.01638 = 6.9615 BTC [+]	[18:04]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 82 @ 0.01659 = 1.3604 BTC [-]	[18:06]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 167 @ 0.01649 = 2.7538 BTC [+]	[18:11]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00329987 = 3.2999 BTC [+]	[18:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 515 @ 0.00329988 = 1.6994 BTC [+]	[18:15]
ThickAsThieves	230+84+15+2	[18:15]
assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 80 @ 0.01842 = 1.4736 BTC [+]	[18:15]
ThickAsThieves	oops	[18:15]
ThickAsThieves	ignore	[18:15]
ThickAsThieves	this is obv not a calc	[18:16]
kakobrekla	its a password!	[18:17]
ThickAsThieves	oh noes!	[18:17]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.01659 = 0.083 BTC [-]	[18:17]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.01659 = 0.0664 BTC [-]	[18:19]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1031 BTC [-]	[18:21]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 10 @ 0.000721 = 0.0072 BTC [-]	[18:22]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 66 @ 0.01659 = 1.0949 BTC [-]	[18:22]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 8 @ 0.00072 = 0.0058 BTC [-]	[18:22]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 8050 @ 0.00307188 = 24.7286 BTC [-]	[18:23]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00072 BTC [-]	[18:24]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.2849 BTC [+]	[18:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.2849 = 0.8547 BTC [+]	[18:24]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.764498 BTC [-]	[18:24]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 20 @ 0.0007 = 0.014 BTC [-]	[18:25]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 10 @ 0.0007 = 0.007 BTC [-]	[18:26]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.764878 BTC [+]	[18:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.465 BTC [-]	[18:27]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 30 @ 0.0007 = 0.021 BTC [-]	[18:27]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.765 BTC [+]	[18:27]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.767488 BTC [+]	[18:29]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 200 @ 0.01659 = 3.318 BTC [-]	[18:30]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 20 @ 0.00066 = 0.0132 BTC [-]	[18:30]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 20 @ 0.00064 = 0.0128 BTC [-]	[18:32]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01662 = 1.662 BTC [+]	[18:32]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.01662 = 0.4155 BTC [+]	[18:34]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 41 @ 0.01662 = 0.6814 BTC [+]	[18:35]
kakobrekla	;;calc 140/118	[18:35]
gribble	1.18644067797	[18:35]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01662 BTC [+]	[18:35]
kakobrekla	;;calc 118/140	[18:36]
gribble	0.842857142857	[18:36]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.74 BTC [-]	[18:38]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 6 @ 0.00062 = 0.0037 BTC [-]	[18:42]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 30 @ 0.0007 = 0.021 BTC [+]	[18:44]
gribble	4	[18:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.01659 = 0.3318 BTC [-]	[18:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.2849 = 1.1396 BTC [+]	[18:47]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 12 @ 0.01659 = 0.1991 BTC [-]	[18:54]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.764897 BTC [+]	[18:54]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01654 = 1.654 BTC [-]	[18:55]
error4733	1.7 wtf with you ppl	[18:59]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 30 @ 0.01649 = 0.4947 BTC [+]	[19:00]
error4733	why no 1 tell me that when its was 0.2btc/30$	[19:00]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.730011 BTC [-]	[19:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.01649 = 0.0495 BTC [+]	[19:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.01649 = 0.066 BTC [+]	[19:04]
Namworld	I bought some at 0.10	[19:06]
Namworld	I sold at 0.41...	[19:06]
Namworld	I regret	[19:06]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.01659 = 0.0995 BTC [+]	[19:07]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.45 BTC [-]	[19:07]
error4733	miss the perfect trade, sold SD @0.07 and bought AM @0.	[19:08]
error4733	0.1	[19:08]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01659 BTC [+]	[19:08]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 61 @ 0.01659 = 1.012 BTC [+]	[19:08]
error4733	@Namworld: sorry for your lost !! why did you sold btw ?	[19:08]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 83 @ 0.01662 = 1.3795 BTC [+]	[19:10]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.01665 = 0.4163 BTC [+]	[19:12]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.01665 = 0.4163 BTC [+]	[19:13]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.01665 = 0.1499 BTC [+]	[19:13]
assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 2 @ 0.0075 = 0.015 BTC [-]	[19:14]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.75 = 8.75 BTC [+]	[19:14]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4 BTC [-]	[19:15]
assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 15 @ 0.01 = 0.15 BTC [+]	[19:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 46 @ 0.01649 = 0.7585 BTC [+]	[19:16]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.730011 BTC [+]	[19:16]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.4 = 2.8 BTC [-]	[19:17]
assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 83 @ 0.011 = 0.913 BTC [+]	[19:17]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 16 @ 0.01665 = 0.2664 BTC [+]	[19:17]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 150 @ 0.01665 = 2.4975 BTC [+]	[19:17]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 37 @ 0.01667 = 0.6168 BTC [+]	[19:17]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 113 @ 0.01667 = 1.8837 BTC [+]	[19:18]
ThickAsThieves	So, what do you guys think a share of AM will be worth in 4 weeks?	[19:18]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01667 = 0.8335 BTC [+]	[19:18]
ThickAsThieves	I mean market price on exchanges, not a snarky personal value	[19:18]
error4733	TAKE MY BITCOIN !!!	[19:18]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 10 @ 0.000869 = 0.0087 BTC [+]	[19:18]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00087 BTC [+]	[19:19]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 49 @ 0.00091 = 0.0446 BTC [+]	[19:19]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 350 @ 0.000968 = 0.3388 BTC [+]	[19:19]
error4733	depend on news and power release ? i've no share so i not follow	[19:19]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 110 @ 0.01672 = 1.8392 BTC [+]	[19:20]
ThickAsThieves	also hardware sales	[19:20]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1000 @ 0.00097 = 0.97 BTC [+]	[19:20]
error4733	i read they have 20% of all networks	[19:20]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 46 @ 0.01672 = 0.7691 BTC [+]	[19:20]
ThickAsThieves	i'm fairly bullish for the next few weeks	[19:20]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 35 @ 0.00099 = 0.0347 BTC [+]	[19:20]
ThickAsThieves	but outlook for a month gets foggy	[19:20]
ThickAsThieves	mostly because AM mining hashrate goals continue to move	[19:21]
ThickAsThieves	and dunno what competitors will do	[19:21]
error4733	20% it's huuuge	[19:22]
ThickAsThieves	value has to top somewhere	[19:22]
error4733	do you thinks they can go up to 20%	[19:22]
jcpham	can't believe i bought asicminer shares so cheap	[19:23]
error4733	720btc EVERY single day haha,	[19:23]
ThickAsThieves	I think if hits 2btc per share	[19:23]
ThickAsThieves	you'll see people starting to sell of their board seats	[19:23]
jcpham	ThickAsThieves i was thinking 2.5 is dump time	[19:23]
ThickAsThieves	off*	[19:24]
ThickAsThieves	2.5 might never come	[19:24]
jcpham	2.2 is a valuation per share i've seen tossed around	[19:24]
ThickAsThieves	thats my target	[19:24]
jcpham	yeah it's really high	[19:24]
error4733	always the same story, i'm too late or not haha	[19:24]
ThickAsThieves	i figure once it hits 2, itll have once last rally	[19:24]
ThickAsThieves	then fall	[19:24]
jcpham	surely it's going to fall	[19:25]
ThickAsThieves	but this is pretty much a guessing game	[19:25]
jcpham	urite	[19:25]
error4733	how much the last div ?	[19:25]
ThickAsThieves	.011	[19:25]
error4733	it's everyweek no ?	[19:25]
ThickAsThieves	this one stands to be much higher	[19:25]
ThickAsThieves	yeah	[19:25]
jcpham	yep	[19:25]
ThickAsThieves	they sold like 180 blades	[19:25]
ThickAsThieves	plus X SUBminers	[19:26]
ThickAsThieves	USB	[19:26]
jcpham	lots of bitcoins	[19:26]
error4733	it's already include in the weekly div ?	[19:26]
ThickAsThieves	not yet	[19:26]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.735 = 5.205 BTC [+]	[19:26]
ThickAsThieves	if they pay out all the money from blades thats .02 alone	[19:26]
jcpham	friedcat is running one hell of an organization froma fucking forum thread	[19:27]
ThickAsThieves	mining will be at least .014	[19:27]
jcpham	kudos	[19:27]
ThickAsThieves	howevr	[19:27]
ThickAsThieves	with that kind of income	[19:27]
ThickAsThieves	i suspect he needs to do some reinvesting	[19:27]
ThickAsThieves	and wont pay it ALL out	[19:27]
ThickAsThieves	i hope	[19:27]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 44 @ 0.01672 = 0.7357 BTC [+]	[19:27]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01678 = 1.678 BTC [+]	[19:28]
error4733	soo i need 150 week (at actual div) to break even ?	[19:28]
error4733	i miss something ?	[19:28]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 150 @ 0.01678 = 2.517 BTC [+]	[19:28]
ThickAsThieves	come to papa	[19:28]
ThickAsThieves	sales are DEAD on bitfunder :/	[19:29]
jborkl	error4733 , it is very easy to figure out - about 25000 bitcoins are mined a week / percentage of network AM has / 400,000 shares + hardware sales	[19:30]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.01681 = 0.2522 BTC [+]	[19:30]
jborkl	+ HW sales /400000	[19:30]
ThickAsThieves	even if you pay 1.75 for your share	[19:31]
ThickAsThieves	this week's div could be 2%	[19:31]
ThickAsThieves	if you get brave and turn that into APR...	[19:31]
jborkl	that is correct	[19:31]
ThickAsThieves	then get even more risky and turn that into compounded APR	[19:32]
ThickAsThieves	with reinvestment...	[19:32]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.4199 BTC [+]	[19:32]
ThickAsThieves	2BTC/share becomes obvious	[19:32]
jborkl	price depends on what people are willing to have as a APR	[19:32]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.42 = 0.84 BTC [+]	[19:32]
error4733	ok, where i sign ?	[19:32]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[19:32]
ThickAsThieves	but at Bitfunder man	[19:32]
jborkl	100 APR or 30 APR	[19:32]
ThickAsThieves	cheapest there	[19:32]
ThickAsThieves	or Havelock	[19:33]
jborkl	personally, I like Havelock the best	[19:33]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.43 BTC [+]	[19:33]
ThickAsThieves	as an issuer	[19:33]
jborkl	After MPEX of course	[19:33]
ThickAsThieves	I def prefer Havelock	[19:33]
ThickAsThieves	i'd sell my AM PT on mpex too, but that's like selling swampland to MP I think	[19:34]
jborkl	well, the last PT was a nightmare - so I do not blame him	[19:34]
ThickAsThieves	yeah	[19:34]
ThickAsThieves	nothing good is forced, i say	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i would guess it most depends on bitfury atm	[19:35]
ThickAsThieves	really there could easily be a private version of BitFury too	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	indeed.	[19:36]
ThickAsThieves	no need to broadcast your intentions	[19:36]
ThickAsThieves	just build the things and grab 20% of the network	[19:36]
ThickAsThieves	or more	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	if indeed the guy can deliver in the petahash range...	[19:36]
ThickAsThieves	someone pointed out that the petahash thing would be a power problem	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	gamechanger.	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	if he's under 1w/gh as he says, then it's 1mw	[19:37]
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ThickAsThieves	i'm kinda calloused on new mining ventures though	[19:38]
ThickAsThieves	I'll believe it when they ship it	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	i can see why lol	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	he did risk a lot of money on it tho, and he doesn't really have preorders or even a site	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	but who;'s to know at this point.	[19:38]
ThickAsThieves	if i were gonna run a scam, i'd have no issue frontng 100btc	[19:39]
ThickAsThieves	to legitimize it	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	ya but what's the scam ? it was clear with bfl, what with the website and google ads etc	[19:40]
ThickAsThieves	if enough people join in the bet	[19:40]
ThickAsThieves	he can bet the other side	[19:40]
ThickAsThieves	and come out clean	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	not really, math it out	[19:40]
ThickAsThieves	clean enough	[19:40]
ThickAsThieves	marketing expense	[19:41]
ThickAsThieves	i'm not saying its a scam	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	but marketing for what, if he's betting the other side.	[19:41]
ThickAsThieves	just that a 100btc doesnt prove he isnt	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	certainly doesn't prove it.	[19:41]
ThickAsThieves	so,	[19:42]
ThickAsThieves	as you may or may not know	[19:42]
ThickAsThieves	Friedcat said he'd ship "test" blades to each board member	[19:42]
ThickAsThieves	this never happened	[19:42]
ThickAsThieves	but it is built in as a perk	[19:42]
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ThickAsThieves	in all the PT offerings	[19:42]
ThickAsThieves	including mine	[19:42]
ThickAsThieves	I contemplated just buying one now, to 1-up the competition	[19:43]
ThickAsThieves	this would be a marketing expense	[19:43]
ThickAsThieves	ive mostly ruled out the idea	[19:43]
ThickAsThieves	but i could easily spin it	[19:43]
ThickAsThieves	to make TAT.AM appealing	[19:43]
ThickAsThieves	and command market pricer	[19:43]
ThickAsThieves	price*	[19:43]
ThickAsThieves	thoughts?	[19:43]
ThickAsThieves	they cost 50btc	[19:44]
ThickAsThieves	plus bullshit time of running one	[19:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 6 @ 0.46475 = 2.7885 BTC [+]	[19:45]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.01681 = 0.0504 BTC [+]	[19:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.01681 = 0.0672 BTC [+]	[19:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 20 @ 0.016512 = 0.3302 BTC [+]	[19:48]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.75498 BTC [+]	[19:48]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 85 @ 0.01674 = 1.4229 BTC [-]	[19:49]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.75978 BTC [+]	[19:49]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 42 @ 0.01669 = 0.701 BTC [-]	[19:50]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.75978 BTC [+]	[19:51]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.759999 BTC [+]	[19:52]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.76 BTC [+]	[19:53]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.75988 BTC [-]	[19:54]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.01669 = 0.3338 BTC [-]	[19:54]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.762498 BTC [+]	[19:55]
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jcpham	http://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/1e9veg/bitcoin_will_tear_down_civilization/	[19:56]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.01674 = 0.2511 BTC [+]	[19:57]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01677 = 1.677 BTC [+]	[19:57]
ThickAsThieves	i skimmed like 3 phrases	[19:58]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 78 @ 0.01681 = 1.3112 BTC [+]	[19:58]
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ThickAsThieves	wild assumptions of doomsday scenarios	[19:58]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01685 = 1.685 BTC [+]	[19:58]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01688 = 1.688 BTC [+]	[19:59]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.75988 BTC [-]	[20:02]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.75988 BTC [-]	[20:02]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 67 @ 0.017 = 1.139 BTC [+]	[20:02]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01703 = 1.703 BTC [+]	[20:03]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 49 @ 0.01715 = 0.8404 BTC [+]	[20:08]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 8 @ 0.411004 = 3.288 BTC [-]	[20:09]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.411003 BTC [-]	[20:09]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.411003 BTC [-]	[20:09]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01725 = 1.725 BTC [+]	[20:11]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.01725 = 0.4313 BTC [+]	[20:12]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 33 @ 0.01725 = 0.5693 BTC [+]	[20:12]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.016251 = 0.0325 BTC [-]	[20:13]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.2233 BTC [-]	[20:15]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.0175 = 0.175 BTC [+]	[20:16]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 75 @ 0.01747 = 1.3103 BTC [-]	[20:16]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.0175 = 0.875 BTC [+]	[20:17]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.0175 = 0.0875 BTC [+]	[20:17]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00357 BTC [-]	[20:17]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.767986 = 7.0719 BTC [+]	[20:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.2849 = 1.4245 BTC [+]	[20:18]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 95 @ 0.0175 = 1.6625 BTC [+]	[20:18]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 73 @ 0.017589 = 1.284 BTC [+]	[20:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 230 @ 0.016512 = 3.7978 BTC [+]	[20:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.2849 = 0.8547 BTC [+]	[20:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.2849 BTC [+]	[20:21]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 52 @ 0.017588 = 0.9146 BTC [-]	[20:21]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.746 = 3.492 BTC [-]	[20:24]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.017512 BTC [-]	[20:24]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 60 @ 0.01749 = 1.0494 BTC [-]	[20:27]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01745 = 0.0349 BTC [-]	[20:29]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.76797 BTC [+]	[20:29]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.767986 BTC [+]	[20:30]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.76797 BTC [-]	[20:30]
assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 17 @ 0.011 = 0.187 BTC [+]	[20:31]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.735 BTC [-]	[20:31]
assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.011 BTC [+]	[20:31]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.73001 = 6.92 BTC [-]	[20:32]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.720008 BTC [-]	[20:35]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.199697 BTC [+]	[20:39]
assbot	[BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.1997 BTC [+]	[20:39]
assbot	[BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 2 @ 0.1998 = 0.3996 BTC [+]	[20:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 12 @ 0.016512 = 0.1981 BTC [+]	[20:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.15 BTC [+]	[20:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.2849 = 1.9943 BTC [+]	[20:45]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform handpicked for your sheer delight : deacon meets mpoe-pr. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=186043.msg2145731#msg2145731	[20:49]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00067632 = 3.0434 BTC [-]	[20:50]
inhies	aright	[20:50]
inhies	who broke btctc	[20:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 38 @ 0.016512 = 0.6275 BTC [+]	[20:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 62 @ 0.01655 = 1.0261 BTC [+]	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	inhies what do you mean ?	[20:55]
inhies	https://btct.co/	[20:55]
inhies	Error:	[20:55]
inhies	Xcoind backend failure in getbalance at 77	[20:55]
illumin	yeah been down for a while	[20:56]
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ThickAsThieves	booo	[20:56]
ThickAsThieves	works for me	[20:56]
inhies	i was JUST looking at it	[20:56]
inhies	boooooooo	[20:56]
inhies	i was gonn buy some TAT	[20:56]
inhies	but oh well	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	hm	[20:57]
inhies	ThickAsThieves: wanna cut me a deal?	[20:57]
ThickAsThieves	maybe	[20:57]
inhies	fwiw, the api still appears to be up	[20:57]
ThickAsThieves	pm if you are serious	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=148291.0	[20:57]
inhies	i am but not for any real quantity :p	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	apparently it happens	[20:57]
assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.024 BTC [+]	[20:58]
ThickAsThieves	it happened last week too	[20:58]
inhies	i never got my code done for the btctc api	[20:58]
ThickAsThieves	cant handle all this action	[20:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 63 @ 0.01655 = 1.0427 BTC [+]	[21:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 200 @ 0.01655 = 3.31 BTC [+]	[21:02]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.104 BTC [+]	[21:02]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 9 @ 0.1059 = 0.9531 BTC [+]	[21:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 38 @ 0.01655 = 0.6289 BTC [+]	[21:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 38 @ 0.01649 = 0.6266 BTC [-]	[21:06]
ThickAsThieves	Havelock has a little trouble with heavy use too	[21:06]
Ukto	btw, i am not sure about 'splitting off'	[21:07]
Ukto	I have had the bitfunder channel since well, Bitfunder launched	[21:07]
Ukto	I had a bot made for this channel primarily to handle peoples requests, was told no, so stuck it in bitfunder. not really "splitting off"	[21:08]
ThickAsThieves	kako says no to your hipster bot :/	[21:08]
ThickAsThieves	but I really would like to see reliable Bitfunder trades firing in here	[21:08]
inhies	agreed	[21:09]
assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 20 @ 0.01842 = 0.3684 BTC [+]	[21:09]
inhies	its not like its hard to do :(	[21:10]
inhies	but apparently assbot's owner doesnt wanna do	[21:10]
assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 4 @ 0.01848 = 0.0739 BTC [+]	[21:10]
kakobrekla	the what	[21:10]
assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01849 BTC [+]	[21:10]
kakobrekla	doesnt wanna do what	[21:10]
kakobrekla	implementing assbot is 2 min of work, ask anybody who has done it	[21:11]
inhies	i mean adding bitfunder to it	[21:11]
inhies	instead of having a second bot in here	[21:11]
kakobrekla	i gave him the spec	[21:11]
kakobrekla	as he asked.	[21:11]
kakobrekla	not much more i can do	[21:11]
inhies	is there soemting i could do?	[21:12]
kakobrekla	except for suckin his dick.	[21:12]
*	inhies sucks Ukto's dick	[21:12]
inhies	you like baby?	[21:12]
inhies	fitty cent	[21:12]
Ukto	right	[21:12]
inhies	kakobrekla: you said theres a spec for assbot. is there some way i could parse the trade data and send it to assbot ?	[21:12]
Ukto	i dont have time to setup that stuff atm	[21:12]
Ukto	I have biger things than adding support for a channel of another 30 users	[21:13]
Ukto	how about this	[21:13]
Ukto	Anyone here who does NOT CURRENTLY USE BITFUNDER, would you activly trade on and use bitfunder if it was streaming in irc?	[21:13]
Ukto	if i get more than 30 users say yes	[21:14]
kakobrekla	lol	[21:14]
Ukto	then i will dedicated all the time needed to it	[21:14]
Ukto	but seeing as half the channel actively uses bf already	[21:14]
Ukto	i dont trhink its a real issue	[21:14]
ThickAsThieves	there arent evne 30 people that speak in here	[21:14]
ThickAsThieves	thats not a good indicator	[21:14]
ThickAsThieves	also	[21:14]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 63 @ 0.0169 = 1.0647 BTC [-]	[21:15]
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ThickAsThieves	it certainly doesnt HURT you to stream in here	[21:15]
ThickAsThieves	as i see it	[21:15]
ThickAsThieves	I am Joe Smith with intentions of growing my exchange	[21:15]
ThickAsThieves	i learn of awesome channel that will let me stream my trades there	[21:15]
ThickAsThieves	i think to myself	[21:16]
ThickAsThieves	i wonder how much theyd charge me to stream there too	[21:16]
ThickAsThieves	free, you say?!	[21:16]
ThickAsThieves	I'll get right on it!	[21:16]
kakobrekla	who said it was free?	[21:16]
ThickAsThieves	oh	[21:16]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[21:17]
ThickAsThieves	you get my point though	[21:17]
ThickAsThieves	it's good outreach	[21:17]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 33 @ 0.00304 = 0.1003 BTC [+]	[21:17]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00304 BTC [+]	[21:18]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.0169 = 0.0338 BTC [-]	[21:19]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01735 = 0.0347 BTC [+]	[21:20]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.017351 BTC [+]	[21:21]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.764999 BTC [+]	[21:24]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.765 = 10.59 BTC [+]	[21:24]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 11 @ 1.7676 = 19.4436 BTC [+]	[21:24]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.76797 BTC [+]	[21:24]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 11 @ 1.767999 = 19.448 BTC [+]	[21:24]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 10 @ 0.1059 = 1.059 BTC [+]	[21:25]
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inhies	i would like to see it here	[21:27]
inhies	but im also in #bitfunder so its not a deal breaker	[21:27]
inhies	and i can always run my own ticker in a terinal window	[21:27]
kakobrekla	sure give me a signed statement from ukto that he approves you sending in data in his name and you can implement it	[21:28]
ThickAsThieves	but the BF bot isnt reliable	[21:29]
ThickAsThieves	it disappears often	[21:29]
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kakobrekla	speaking of :)	[21:31]
ThickAsThieves	aww assbot, dont be mad	[21:32]
inhies	kakobrekla: so bot ticker quotes are legally binding?	[21:33]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[21:33]
ThickAsThieves	yes they are mpex receipts	[21:33]
kakobrekla	no i just dont want him to come here and say 'wtf is this shit'	[21:33]
ThickAsThieves	MP guarantees all	[21:33]
ThickAsThieves	:)	[21:33]
kakobrekla	people rely on this info	[21:34]
kakobrekla	iirc someone made even irc parser for trades	[21:34]
inhies	kakobrekla: if you want Ukto's signature, there's better ways	[21:35]
kakobrekla	why is the sig a problem	[21:36]
kakobrekla	it takes 5s to do	[21:36]
inhies	its not	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	well no but letting 3rd party in the line is kinda risky	[21:36]
*	inhies manipulates the datas	[21:36]
inhies	why cant assbot just parse the data coming from bitfunder?	[21:36]
inhies	why's it suck a pita?	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	inhies wouldn't even have to be deliberately you know ?	[21:36]
Namworld	How rude can people be...	[21:36]
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kakobrekla	it will prolly ping timeoout again	[21:38]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0028 BTC [-]	[22:23]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.0028 = 0.0056 BTC [-]	[22:23]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.75 = 5.25 BTC [-]	[22:23]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.75 = 3.5 BTC [-]	[22:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00068157 = 4.6347 BTC [+]	[22:23]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.75 = 3.5 BTC [-]	[22:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 36 @ 0.0166 = 0.5976 BTC [-]	[22:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.0165 = 1.65 BTC [-]	[22:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 77 @ 0.01629 = 1.2543 BTC [-]	[22:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.01629 = 0.0652 BTC [-]	[22:23]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.75 BTC [-]	[22:23]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.017355 BTC [+]	[22:23]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.01719 = 0.1031 BTC [-]	[22:23]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.75 = 5.25 BTC [-]	[22:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.11 BTC [-]	[22:23]
assbot	[BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.17297 BTC [-]	[22:23]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.01719 = 0.1719 BTC [-]	[22:23]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 85 @ 0.01699 = 1.4442 BTC [-]	[22:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.15 BTC [+]	[22:23]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.01719 = 0.0344 BTC [+]	[22:23]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.75 = 5.25 BTC [-]	[22:23]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.749999 BTC [-]	[22:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.1 BTC [-]	[22:30]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.75 BTC [+]	[22:30]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 19 @ 1.75 = 33.25 BTC [+]	[22:30]
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Diablo-D3	https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5707441	[22:32]
Diablo-D3	what	[22:32]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.05 BTC [-]	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[22:33]
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mircea_popescu	they were raided in japan a few weeks ago too	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	what's the surprise here ?	[22:33]
error4733	yes, gozzila come to ask private key	[22:35]
jborkl	I logged into Dwolla and can verify that is most likely accurate	[22:36]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.75 = 5.25 BTC [+]	[22:36]
jborkl	They have been removed from Dwolla	[22:37]
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benkay	HOHO	[22:39]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 36 @ 0.01709 = 0.6152 BTC [-]	[22:39]
ThickAsThieves	for realz?	[22:39]
benkay	popcorn time	[22:39]
ThickAsThieves	dwolla/gox is done?	[22:39]
ThickAsThieves	is there a more reliable link somewhere?	[22:39]
ThickAsThieves	other than some png file	[22:40]
jborkl	I logged into my Dwolla account and I am not a retard, it is not available right now. signed me	[22:40]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01709 BTC [-]	[22:41]
error4733	it's big % ?	[22:41]
ThickAsThieves	hmm	[22:41]
ThickAsThieves	i logged into to mine but dont see anything	[22:41]
jborkl	try sending a $	[22:41]
inhies	o wat	[22:42]
Diablo-D3	;;ticker	[22:42]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 118.54999, Best ask: 118.56000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01001, Last trade: 118.56000, 24 hour volume: 26615.66637578, 24 hour low: 116.02500, 24 hour high: 119.80002, 24 hour vwap: 118.48201	[22:42]
ThickAsThieves	i'm all cashed out	[22:42]
ThickAsThieves	so not worried	[22:42]
benkay	nah	[22:42]
benkay	idiot faucet's dunzo though	[22:42]
ThickAsThieves	i wonder if they got Campbx too	[22:42]
Diablo-D3	[03:33:29] they were raided in japan a few weeks ago too	[22:42]
Diablo-D3	raided for what, exactly	[22:42]
Diablo-D3	they comply with the law	[22:42]
ThickAsThieves	that was a joke	[22:42]
jborkl	They are gone from the system, it says User no longer available	[22:42]
benkay	and that wasn't a hoax?	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	this is an easy thing to claim	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	"they comply with the law"	[22:42]
Diablo-D3	sounds like more wall street bullshit	[22:43]
error4733	;;eightball This is a hoax ?	[22:43]
gribble	The answer is a resounding no.	[22:43]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 70 @ 0.01709 = 1.1963 BTC [-]	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	Diablo-D3 yeah. let me tell you a story about wallstreet.	[22:43]
jborkl	Send to*	[22:43]
jborkl	The user to send to could not be found.	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	mtgox thinks mpex is "illegal". mtgox thinks it is legal.	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	coinbase thinks "it is bringing bitcoin to wallstreet"	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	mtgox is getting fucked.	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	add it up and get some conclusion.	[22:44]
ThickAsThieves	so	[22:44]
ThickAsThieves	this will cause a price run up right?	[22:44]
ThickAsThieves	as people try to get out of gox cash	[22:44]
ThickAsThieves	that used to use dwolla	[22:44]
benkay	briefly	[22:44]
inhies	uh	[22:44]
inhies	so	[22:44]
benkay	then the easy spigot goes away	[22:44]
inhies	yea	[22:44]
inhies	dwolla says user 812-649-1010 not found	[22:44]
Diablo-D3	mircea_popescu: except coinbase doesnt actually exist	[22:44]
Diablo-D3	and I wish people would quit talking about it	[22:45]
error4733	correct me but dwolla is for small amount ? with the fee etc..	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	kinda the point.	[22:45]
Diablo-D3	its just another scam like bfl and bitcoinica	[22:45]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 54 @ 0.01709 = 0.9229 BTC [-]	[22:45]
ThickAsThieves	i used dwolla a ot	[22:45]
ThickAsThieves	was fast	[22:46]
jborkl	you could send $5000 a time for 25 cents	[22:46]
ThickAsThieves	cheap	[22:46]
ThickAsThieves	a lot*	[22:46]
ThickAsThieves	dwolla also works with campbc	[22:46]
ThickAsThieves	campbx	[22:46]
ThickAsThieves	wonder if thats intact	[22:46]
error4733	k, i'm not US based so, not very aware about dwolla	[22:46]
ThickAsThieves	it was by far the easiest way to move $ with gox	[22:46]
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Diablo-D3	campbx?	[22:48]
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error4733	backfire related to coinbase case ?	[22:49]
iz	that's what i first thought also	[22:49]
iz	part of coinbase's lawyers doing their thing	[22:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 2.1499 = 6.4497 BTC [+]	[22:50]
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benkay	that would be some good lawyering	[22:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 36 @ 0.0167 = 0.6012 BTC [+]	[22:51]
ThickAsThieves	for giggles: http://www.coinlab.com/	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	new mpex byline on this occasion.	[22:52]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[22:52]
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ThickAsThieves	a tad cryptic	[22:53]
jborkl	coinlab, we made a website and added a gox quote to it, that is $75 million now	[22:53]
jborkl	?	[22:53]
kakobrekla	75$ of damage	[22:54]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 32 @ 0.01699 = 0.5437 BTC [-]	[22:54]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 19 @ 0.01699 = 0.3228 BTC [-]	[22:54]
Diablo-D3	so if I wanted to sell 480btc, how would I do it?	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	braindamage.	[22:54]
ThickAsThieves	lotsa ways	[22:54]
jborkl	well, they did have to buy a domain name for 4.99 i guess	[22:54]
ThickAsThieves	if you dont wanna be tracked	[22:54]
ThickAsThieves	sell otc	[22:54]
ThickAsThieves	or localbitcoins and such	[22:55]
ThickAsThieves	if you are okay with AML/KYC	[22:55]
ThickAsThieves	campbx will do dwolla, money order, ACH	[22:55]
ThickAsThieves	you can buy gift cards with some of your btc	[22:55]
ThickAsThieves	to spend on amazon shit etc	[22:55]
ThickAsThieves	etc etc	[22:55]
Diablo-D3	I dont trust these companies with AML/KYC	[22:56]
Diablo-D3	they havent proven they are properly storing the data securely as per the law	[22:56]
ThickAsThieves	US doesnt trust companies without it	[22:56]
Diablo-D3	they arent banks	[22:56]
ThickAsThieves	banks dont deal in bitcoin	[22:56]
Diablo-D3	not my problem	[22:56]
ThickAsThieves	sounds like it is	[22:56]
Diablo-D3	its very easy to securely store data, why have they not proven they are	[22:56]
DeaDTerra	WTS 30 G.ASICMINER-PT shares!	[22:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 11 @ 0.01687999 = 0.1857 BTC [+]	[22:57]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[22:57]
ThickAsThieves	DT, whats your rate	[22:57]
ThickAsThieves	gimme a deal and terms and I'll buy an asston	[22:57]
Diablo-D3	I think this is probably why I had my modship removed on the forums	[22:57]
Diablo-D3	they got tired of me pointing out problems	[22:57]
Diablo-D3	like, I cleaned up tbe BFL mess no one else was willing to do, and everyone who was in on the scam got pissy	[22:57]
DeaDTerra	I can sell for 1.68, I just want to sell these 30	[22:58]
Diablo-D3	I told people bitcoinica wasnt safe, and people got pissy and then never apologized to me	[22:58]
DeaDTerra	buying a new computer so cashing out some BTC	[22:58]
Diablo-D3	I told people GLBSE wasnt safe after what nefario tried to do to DMC, and people didnt listen	[22:58]
ThickAsThieves	ah, i cant help you there	[22:58]
ThickAsThieves	(DT)	[22:58]
Diablo-D3	so I dunno	[22:58]
ThickAsThieves	Diablo, I'm confused what you are telling us now	[22:59]
Diablo-D3	Im seriously considering just cashing in all my btc and leaving	[22:59]
ThickAsThieves	that AML/KYC will be our doom?	[22:59]
Diablo-D3	ThickAsThieves: Im tired of fucktards trying to fuck me over.	[22:59]
kakobrekla	;;ticker	[22:59]
Diablo-D3	thats what Im saying	[22:59]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 114.51001, Best ask: 114.71000, Bid-ask spread: 0.19999, Last trade: 114.51001, 24 hour volume: 38002.45117133, 24 hour low: 114.42057, 24 hour high: 119.80002, 24 hour vwap: 117.75825	[22:59]
Diablo-D3	its why I wont send mtgox my data	[22:59]
Diablo-D3	I dont trust mtgox to properly secure it because mtgox refuses to prove it is properly secured	[22:59]
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Diablo-D3	mtgox also cannot be touched under US laws, ie, I cannot sue them for a breach of security	[22:59]
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Diablo-D3	I dont know why ANYONE does business with mtgox	[23:00]
Diablo-D3	it makes no sense	[23:00]
kakobrekla	someone just sold a shitload	[23:00]
kakobrekla	instaed of buying	[23:00]
kakobrekla	wrong way.	[23:00]
Diablo-D3	truffles: in the US and EU, you MUST secure customer data	[23:00]
Diablo-D3	period	[23:00]
Diablo-D3	its the law	[23:00]
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Diablo-D3	if you get caught not doing that, you are fined out your ass	[23:00]
Diablo-D3	up to the point, small businesses go bankrupt	[23:01]
Diablo-D3	truffles: nope, you cant pay them off	[23:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 25 @ 0.01687999 = 0.422 BTC [+]	[23:01]
Diablo-D3	the US has even fined companies like BoA for losing customer data	[23:01]
ThickAsThieves	selloff on gox	[23:01]
kakobrekla	;;goxlag	[23:01]
ThickAsThieves	people will crash gix for anything it seems	[23:01]
gribble	MtGox lag is 39.868904 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0798968372215 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ten times between Saturn and Titan (0.0802 AU).	[23:01]
Diablo-D3	and BoA pays off EVERYONE	[23:01]
ThickAsThieves	even if it means being stuck in cash	[23:01]
benkay	"you" can't pay them off, truffles	[23:02]
benkay	massive corporations can, though.	[23:02]
Diablo-D3	benkay: if BoA cant, who can?	[23:02]
benkay	that's not corruption, that's compliance :)	[23:02]
benkay	"we are too big to fail and too incompetent to implement this. how much do we have to pay?	[23:02]
Diablo-D3	higher? they're the third largest bank in the world.	[23:02]
benkay	"	[23:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 25 @ 0.01688 = 0.422 BTC [+]	[23:03]
Diablo-D3	(citi, chase are 1 and 2, hsbc is 4)	[23:03]
Diablo-D3	citi and chase iirc have both also paid fines	[23:04]
Diablo-D3	truffles: customer data security	[23:04]
error4733	;;ticker	[23:04]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 112.51000, Best ask: 113.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.49000, Last trade: 113.00000, 24 hour volume: 43011.94624705, 24 hour low: 112.71496, 24 hour high: 119.80002, 24 hour vwap: 117.29708	[23:04]
Diablo-D3	the government takes those fines very seriously	[23:04]
error4733	;;bids 101	[23:04]
gribble	There are currently 28530.865 bitcoins demanded at or over 101.0 USD, worth 3058167.41481 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.0060 seconds	[23:04]
benkay	nonsense.	[23:05]
benkay	they take their fines unrelatedly to whatever they're notionally supposed to do	[23:06]
benkay	what they're supposed to do has nothing to do with what they actually do	[23:06]
benkay	hey check this out	[23:07]
benkay	;;goxlag	[23:07]
gribble	MtGox lag is 75.984144 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.152271373815 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ten times between Jupiter and Callisto (0.12567 AU).	[23:07]
benkay	and ;;ticker --last	[23:07]
benkay	;;ticker --last	[23:08]
gribble	110.26854	[23:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 150 @ 0.01688 = 2.532 BTC [+]	[23:08]
benkay	any bitcoin news at all and the gox engine shits itself	[23:08]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.2233 = 0.4466 BTC [-]	[23:08]
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benkay	that's a pretty trivial conclusion...	[23:09]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 42 @ 0.017 = 0.714 BTC [+]	[23:09]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 4 @ 0.223316 = 0.8933 BTC [+]	[23:09]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 14 @ 0.01709 = 0.2393 BTC [+]	[23:10]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 52 @ 0.017189 = 0.8938 BTC [+]	[23:10]
benkay	toplogically identical to "if fewer people traded on gox it wouldn't have the lag problems it does"	[23:10]
benkay	nah	[23:10]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 82 @ 0.01719 = 1.4096 BTC [+]	[23:10]
benkay	if the traffic went elsewhere the lag would decrease	[23:10]
benkay	on gox	[23:10]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 80 @ 0.017289 = 1.3831 BTC [+]	[23:10]
benkay	oh wait	[23:10]
benkay	i forgot how much i'd have to explain for this to be a worthwhile conversation for a second	[23:11]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.01729 = 1.729 BTC [+]	[23:11]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.225 BTC [+]	[23:12]
error4733	;;ticker	[23:12]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 111.66337, Best ask: 111.99000, Bid-ask spread: 0.32663, Last trade: 111.99000, 24 hour volume: 53895.50132168, 24 hour low: 109.42198, 24 hour high: 119.80002, 24 hour vwap: 116.04770	[23:12]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.225 BTC [+]	[23:13]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.017349 BTC [+]	[23:13]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.238 = 0.476 BTC [+]	[23:14]
*	PhantomSpark (~kvirc@pool-71-251-16-105.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:15]
*	[\] (~imsaguy@unaffiliated/imsaguy) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:16]
ThickAsThieves	clearly satoshi new when to disappear	[23:20]
ThickAsThieves	knew*	[23:21]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.0173 = 0.519 BTC [-]	[23:22]
*	KRS1 has quit (Quit: FUCK THIS SHIT!!!!)	[23:22]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 77 @ 0.0173 = 1.3321 BTC [-]	[23:22]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[23:22]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.749999 BTC [-]	[23:23]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.75 BTC [+]	[23:24]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.75 = 5.25 BTC [+]	[23:26]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 52 @ 0.01725 = 0.897 BTC [-]	[23:27]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 48 @ 0.01725 = 0.828 BTC [-]	[23:28]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 93 @ 0.0173 = 1.6089 BTC [+]	[23:28]
*	savetheinternet (~savethein@unaffiliated/savetheinternet) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:29]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 112 @ 0.017348 = 1.943 BTC [+]	[23:29]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 48 @ 0.017349 = 0.8328 BTC [+]	[23:29]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 29 @ 0.017349 = 0.5031 BTC [+]	[23:31]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 18 @ 0.017355 = 0.3124 BTC [+]	[23:31]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.700001 BTC [-]	[23:32]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.017348 = 0.0347 BTC [-]	[23:33]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.73989 BTC [+]	[23:33]
dub	heh	[23:35]
dub	I think this is the problem	[23:35]
dub	Current BTC balance: ~630	[23:35]
dub	Balance: 31.30259848 BTC	[23:35]
ThickAsThieves	?	[23:35]
dub	Current BTC balance: ~200	[23:35]
*	lippoper (~lippoper@c-66-176-26-157.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:35]
dub	dev team has no incentive to unfuck bitcoin	[23:36]
kakobrekla	devs be poor?	[23:36]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.73999 BTC [+]	[23:36]
jborkl	Garzik has had a Avalon since January - I do not think he is poor	[23:37]
kakobrekla	i thought they had at least 10 times that.	[23:37]
ThickAsThieves	garzik is poor my ASS	[23:37]
kakobrekla	more like 10-100 times.	[23:37]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.737 BTC [-]	[23:38]
mod6	(13:35) < dub> Balance: 31.30259848 BTC << lol	[23:38]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.017122 = 0.0514 BTC [-]	[23:39]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 112.85002, Best ask: 112.97000, Bid-ask spread: 0.11998, Last trade: 112.97000, 24 hour volume: 63165.98317902, 24 hour low: 109.42198, 24 hour high: 119.80002, 24 hour vwap: 115.68728	[23:39]
gribble	3472	[23:39]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.737 BTC [-]	[23:41]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.017122 = 0.0856 BTC [-]	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	i believe it.	[23:51]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.670523 BTC [-]	[23:56]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 2 @ 0.00357 = 0.0071 BTC [-]	[23:58]

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