Forum logs for 14 Mar 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
asciilifeform http://www.mouser.com/Passive-Components/Niobium-Oxide-Capacitors/_/N-5g8e?Keyword=128206846&FS=True&Ntk=P_MarCom << and they aren't entirely gone [00:01]
assbot AVX Niobium Oxide Capacitors | Mouser [00:01]
asciilifeform but yes, cost like diamond [00:01]
asciilifeform and hm, nm, gone. [00:01]
bagehot decimation: What is there to say about the BoE? I'm here to learn checkout scarcity-through-obscurity currencies. [00:02]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15450 @ 0.00033054 = 5.1068 BTC [-] [00:02]
decimation is bitcoin obscure? [00:02]
asciilifeform http://www.mouser.com/Passive-Components/Capacitors/Niobium-Oxide-Capacitors/_/N-5g8eZscv7?Keyword=153997756&FS=True&Ntk=P_MarCom << and here they are. [00:02]
assbot AVX Niobium Oxide Capacitors | Mouser [00:02]
bagehot the keys used to keep bitcoins a store of value are. [00:02]
asciilifeform $1-2 -each- [00:03]
bagehot at least from what I understand of the technical implementation. [00:03]
bagehot On a related note, can anyone suggest a site collecting major papers on the technical and analytical details of bitcoins? [00:09]
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decimation bagehot: if you wanna know how bitcoin works, unfortunately the only comprehensive reference is the code itself [00:17]
bagehot fair enough, i'll check it out [00:23]
cazalla bagehot, i can't speak to whether it's any use or not, but i have seen this floating around before http://suitpossum.blogspot.com.au/2014/12/academic-bitcoin-research.html [00:27]
assbot The Heretic's Guide to Global Finance: Hacking the Future of Money: Peer-to-Peer Review: The State of Academic Bitcoin Research 2014 ... ( http://bit.ly/1G15duW ) [00:27]
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decimation !up bagehot [00:28]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 201250 @ 0.00034092 = 68.6102 BTC [+] {4} [00:29]
bagehot Cool, yeah, that'll save me a day of googling, thanks [00:29]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform hehehe [00:34]
mircea_popescu bagehot you're here to learn what ? [00:35]
mircea_popescu !up bagehot [00:40]
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bagehot Where I can go to get the gory details on how the interesting parts of the bitcoin source code are implemented and why those interesting bits actually work cryptographically and in a game-theory sense. I think its pretty incredible that a bunch of people can credibly store tokens of considerable value on a decentralized, digital network. [00:41]
bagehot Eh, the delay was to make sure I communicated accurately what I am here to learn. [00:41]
mircea_popescu actually, this is exactly backards from reality. bitcoin is an utter mess, it works mostly by accident, most of the bits are horribly broken and dysfunctional. [00:42]
mircea_popescu but, the discussion is in the logs, you can traverse it by searching. prolly a good start as any : [00:43]
mircea_popescu !s opendns [00:43]
assbot 2 results for 'opendns' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=opendns [00:43]
mircea_popescu uh i mean [00:43]
mircea_popescu !s openssl [00:43]
assbot 286 results for 'openssl' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=openssl [00:43]
mircea_popescu that one. [00:43]
bagehot Well all the better then. In the longer run I want to try inventing some units of account with different transactional properties and expansionary mechanisms. [00:43]
mircea_popescu where's that spaceghost thing. [00:43]
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danielpbarron http://i.imgur.com/t2sfuot.jpg [00:46]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1G190Z5 ) [00:46]
mircea_popescu that one. [00:47]
bagehot Heh, nah, I've got no interest in patching bitcoin for the sake of itself beyond tinkering with the code to learn about. [00:49]
bagehot *itself = bitcoin [00:49]
bagehot I think it'd be more fun to see what people do, if anything, with units of account that aren't like digital gold. [00:53]
decimation bagehot: what does it mean to 'not be like digital gold'? [00:54]
bagehot Well, so to give a concrete example, but not to make a normative statement about the relative merits for some purpose of one kind of unit of account over another, I think it'd be fun to try switching the party that initiates the asset-liability relationship. [00:55]
bagehot I also think it'd be fun to try to build a decentralized currency with a built-in mechanism for lender-of-last-resort purposes [00:57]
decimation lulz [00:57]
mircea_popescu bagehot this has been done. [00:58]
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mircea_popescu it also never went anywhere, but w/e. [00:58]
bagehot Cool, link? [00:58]
mircea_popescu maybe look into http://trilema.com/2013/why-i-nixed-p2p-colored-coins-and-all-that-jazz/ and go from there. [00:59]
assbot Why I nixed p2p, colored coins and all that jazz pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FkyIJR ) [00:59]
decimation bagehot: do you think the supply of money must expand as an economy 'grows'? [01:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55750 @ 0.00032755 = 18.2609 BTC [-] {2} [01:03]
bagehot It depends on what is enforced by the people who decide what money and the economy are. [01:05]
bagehot And also how those people define the terms. [01:05]
bagehot That's my first pass at an answer. That's not a question I've thought about before. [01:06]
mircea_popescu one interesting idea that came out here is that the people do not decide what either money or the economy are. [01:06]
mircea_popescu but vice-versa : money and the economy decide what people are. [01:06]
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mircea_popescu !up bagehot [01:15]
-assbot- You voiced bagehot for 30 minutes. [01:15]
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mircea_popescu you should prolly get in the wot. [01:15]
bagehot Thanks! First, re: one interesting idea: Can you clarify 'decide'? One sort of sociological argument I've heard is that social systems cause specific behaviors to be present in people. [01:16]
bagehot Another argument I've heard is that thing like 'money' and the 'economy' exist as they are because of some constraints that are present in the natural world and so those constraints, eh, cause certain behaviors [01:17]
bagehot Its definately the case that some social systems cause behaviors in practically all people, although I suspect once in a while people manage to commander the board for a bit. [01:18]
mircea_popescu the latter. [01:18]
mircea_popescu just like gravity causes fishes to swim and birds to fly, just so money and the economy cause black people to be poor and jews to have long noses [01:19]
mircea_popescu or thereabouts. [01:19]
bagehot I suspect so, although, it'd depend on the natural constraint thats being put forth [01:21]
bagehot aside on the wot, is this the resource to read for wot? http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html [01:21]
assbot #bitcoin-assets new WoT and voice model ... ( http://bit.ly/1FkB6QM ) [01:21]
mircea_popescu yes, that works. [01:23]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ and http://trilema.com/2012/gpg-contracts/ for more theoretical considerations. [01:24]
assbot What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FkBoal ) [01:24]
assbot GPG contracts pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FkBoap ) [01:24]
bagehot Alright, I'll be back in a bit once I've got wot setup. [01:27]
mircea_popescu !up Birdman [01:28]
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decimation '[ [01:28]
Birdman Hello -assets. I am looking to dump my dollars for coins and have almost no trust ratings in the WoT. Willing to use an escrow or however it can be the least risky for both parties if anyone is interested [01:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103013 @ 0.00032424 = 33.4009 BTC [-] {2} [01:34]
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mircea_popescu you mean physically ? [01:39]
mircea_popescu Birdman ^ [01:39]
Birdman It'd have to be a cash in the mail thing most likely [01:40]
Birdman Unless there is another way to get someone my dollars [01:40]
mircea_popescu i don't think many people do that, on account of how unreliable it is. [01:40]
mircea_popescu if you can use a bank, talk to sturles, he's been doing the offices of noob introducer since 2010. [01:41]
mircea_popescu expect to pay a slight premium. [01:41]
mircea_popescu if you can't use a bank, join a local community and do face to face. [01:41]
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mircea_popescu !up JoshG_ [01:42]
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JoshG_ sup [01:42]
Birdman Right, but the risk is on my end really if I send the money. Also, I am trying to do a larger volume where my irl contact is uncomfortable doing [01:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 320250 @ 0.00031795 = 101.8235 BTC [-] {7} [01:43]
mircea_popescu not much. [01:45]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118150 @ 0.0003224 = 38.0916 BTC [+] [01:52]
asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/the-huge-language-issue/#comment-113048 << l0ltr0nicz [01:57]
assbot The huge language issue pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cf5BIA ) [01:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 155800 @ 0.0003224 = 50.2299 BTC [+] [01:58]
decimation asciilifeform: apparently you need a manor-house with a library [02:05]
asciilifeform i also need atomic dirigible, possibly [02:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40690 @ 0.0003224 = 13.1185 BTC [+] [02:10]
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mircea_popescu !up bagehot [02:13]
-assbot- You voiced bagehot for 30 minutes. [02:13]
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mircea_popescu there's no relation between assbot and gribble really. [02:13]
mircea_popescu http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot < see there. [02:13]
assbot irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1BqStij ) [02:13]
bagehot I dig the link to the BRK letters at http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/finance. His letters are really a sharp resource on finance. [02:16]
assbot finance [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1G1rRDp ) [02:16]
bagehot But, how do I prevent getting muted by assbot? I figured I registered a public key with gribble to register with the wot and then it was a matter of ;;eauth and messaging !up to assbot [02:17]
decimation bagehot: no need for ;;eauth to gribble, !up to assbot is sufficient [02:18]
bagehot Er, when I send !up to assbot I get 'assbot: bagehot is not registered in WoT.' back [02:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 128259 @ 0.0003432 = 44.0185 BTC [+] {2} [02:19]
bagehot How do I fix that? I'm mistaken but thats where I thought (but no longer do) gribble fit in. [02:19]
decimation did you do !register to assbot? [02:20]
decimation !rated bagehot [02:20]
assbot bagehot is not registered in WoT. [02:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81491 @ 0.00034611 = 28.2049 BTC [+] {3} [02:20]
bagehot Sorry, this is probably all RTFM issues, but is it !register [02:21]
decimation yeah [02:22]
mircea_popescu !gettrust bagehot [02:23]
assbot bagehot is not registered in WoT. [02:23]
bagehot For the I'm using the fifth column I get from the command gpg --list-keys --with-colon, 60E5BD872B2A6031. I'm getting back 'assbot: That does not seem to be a valid fingerprint.' [02:28]
decimation bagehot: did you upload it to a keyserver? [02:29]
bagehot Yeah, https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=bagehot&op=index [02:30]
assbot Search results for 'bagehot' ... ( http://bit.ly/1G1uEws ) [02:30]
mircea_popescu use the whole thing [02:30]
mircea_popescu 40 chars. [02:31]
decimation you might want to actually have a valid email too [02:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124000 @ 0.00033537 = 41.5859 BTC [-] {2} [02:34]
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bagehot Where is the 40 character output? [02:39]
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decimation gpg --fingerprint [02:43]
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mircea_popescu !gettrust bagehot [02:57]
assbot Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user bagehot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/mircea_popescu/bagehot | http://w.b-a.link/user/bagehot [02:57]
mircea_popescu !rate bagehot New blood [02:57]
assbot Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10. [02:57]
mircea_popescu !rate bagehot New 1 blood [02:57]
assbot Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10. [02:57]
mircea_popescu !rate bagehot 1 New blood [02:57]
assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/de6dcd8050d71dd7 [02:57]
mircea_popescu !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.bagehot.1:db856e96a87cbb812489644043c3577315f61997069f2c79c3c0d4cd29f66b59 [02:57]
assbot Successfully added a rating of 1 for bagehot with note: New blood [02:57]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell bagehot now you can self-voice, pm assbot !up [02:58]
gribble The operation succeeded. [02:58]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75250 @ 0.00034861 = 26.2329 BTC [+] {2} [03:03]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123751 @ 0.0003403 = 42.1125 BTC [-] {2} [03:35]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 217869 @ 0.00034853 = 75.9339 BTC [+] {4} [03:51]
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ben_vulpes aha [03:58]
ben_vulpes 600 lines of log [03:59]
ben_vulpes GO [03:59]
ben_vulpes what's wrong is the idea that dependents can push one around in one's own castle. << myup. [04:02]
ben_vulpes but on the other hand "you're a parent now - you must sacrifice your whole life for the new life" [04:02]
mircea_popescu orly. [04:04]
ben_vulpes that's your line. [04:04]
mircea_popescu myeah. [04:04]
mircea_popescu !up p15 [04:05]
-assbot- You voiced p15 for 30 minutes. [04:05]
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ben_vulpes that set of assertions has me in knots. [04:06]
ben_vulpes said.... everyone ever ? << nah. babes in haus is totally the way to go. [04:07]
ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051634 << stealth fork? [04:07]
assbot Logged on 13-03-2015 12:53:40; cazalla: and i am stuck using fucking electrum since then because for some reason, since bitcoin-qt 0.10.0 came out, my old 0.8.3, 0.8.6 throws errors and i can't fully sync and even lame attempt to try 0.10.0 falls flat.. i think maybe memory is fucked though unrelated, memtest86 throws a bunch of errors [04:07]
mircea_popescu nah, chain's still ok on the older clients. [04:08]
mircea_popescu may be some peculiar 8 branch shit [04:08]
ben_vulpes this is still worth enumerating. [04:08]
ben_vulpes cazalla: what's the full story here? [04:08]
ben_vulpes your 0.8.6 all of a sudden refuses to sync further? [04:08]
ben_vulpes new 0.8.6 chains blow up during initial sync? [04:09]
ben_vulpes wouldn't it be handy to have a thing that could watch the output of n different 'bitcoin's running in real time? [04:09]
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ben_vulpes saifedean: it's the Alps on the Riviera << oh god that sounds amazong [04:11]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes it would, yes. [04:12]
mircea_popescu the alps actually are right across from the riviera. [04:12]
ben_vulpes ben_vulpes: here's v0091 of the patching script: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000066.html << once we have a source tree in the wild and some sort of provenance chain for it we can start talking about dvcs over email [04:14]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AllAyI ) [04:15]
ben_vulpes i'm well aware that this is how Things Are Done™ [04:15]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform do you know the "first shave, then shoot" one ? [04:19]
ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051719 << that it may be << oh come now the israel thing is totally orthogonal to the 'everyone else is cattle' attitude [04:19]
assbot Logged on 13-03-2015 13:15:53; gabriel_laddel: the political position of "they're cattle, we're not" is totally A OK. [04:19]
mircea_popescu wait, wut ? [04:20]
ben_vulpes umpteen fucking centuries of having the bottom 90% snipped off of your ethnic group is much more pertinent [04:20]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: 'international cattle demarcation line' does not refer to israel? [04:21]
mircea_popescu nope. [04:22]
ben_vulpes oh, well. then what? [04:22]
mircea_popescu just an arbitrary limit [04:22]
ben_vulpes is this a real thing? [04:23]
cazalla ben_vulpes, i reinstall nigubuntu a few days after 0.10 came out, i forgot to backup blocks so i had to dl it all again, but not able to do so despite blowing about 100gb on trying [04:23]
ben_vulpes oh god [04:24]
ben_vulpes never update your bitcoin device [04:24]
ben_vulpes state is von neumann peeking through the curtain [04:24]
ben_vulpes his baleful glare burning into your soul [04:25]
cazalla ya, i know, but i was using 0.8.3 and i have at times in the past thought fuck it, i'll just download the blockchain after a format [04:25]
ben_vulpes attempt to mutate the state and you tempt him [04:25]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes no dude, iut's not a real thing. the idea was that somehow there's a cutoff : up to moment t, imigrants are a ok. at t+1 they're now cattle. well, how do you choose t ? [04:25]
ben_vulpes aha [04:26]
mircea_popescu cazalla that was not such a smart move. [04:26]
mircea_popescu old chains are valuable like old wine is valuable. [04:26]
ben_vulpes the glib retort is "we're not immigrants, we're jooz!" [04:26]
cazalla but i even tried 0.10 out of pure frustration and it wouldn't work either.. i actually think it might be related to ram in this pc, memtest86 reports bunch of errors [04:26]
ben_vulpes like gypsies, but according to the people in question, 'smarter' [04:26]
ben_vulpes if i might be so bold i bear an excellent subset of excellent american genes [04:27]
ben_vulpes french mercs [04:27]
cazalla anyway, i have a pogo otw, we'll see what comes of that next week [04:28]
ben_vulpes jews who escaped [04:28]
mircea_popescu i dun think genes are what you think they are. [04:28]
ben_vulpes and gypsies (so family legend goes) who assimilated into the local joomunity. [04:28]
ben_vulpes lineage, then. [04:29]
ben_vulpes who knows what got snipped and sewn in place during recombination. [04:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80800 @ 0.00035969 = 29.063 BTC [+] {2} [04:29]
mircea_popescu o wait, you're a jew too ? [04:30]
mircea_popescu !b 1 [04:30]
assbot Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3FF200N.txt ) [04:30]
mircea_popescu sorry, couldn't resist. [04:30]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: p-p-plz no bully [04:31]
cazalla http://i.imgur.com/akdKhXt.jpg <<< you can use a daikon raddish as a heatsink? [04:32]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1xmhF3k ) [04:32]
ben_vulpes heh we're fucking children << trinque confirmed for gulagdestiny [04:33]
mircea_popescu yes, it's heat relish. [04:34]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25440 @ 0.00035921 = 9.1383 BTC [-] [04:41]
ben_vulpes presently the only package of -source- i've succeeded in building into a kernel that can be used on pogo - was netbsd. << it's over. eat a strategic banana, let them have the abandoned fortresses, move to the hills and build batteries of cheapish ground and air control devices to hold no mans land, lick wounds, regroup. [04:43]
ben_vulpes dispense with dream of 'compute'. c'est la guerre. [04:44]
ben_vulpes take comfort that bitcoin exists. [04:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88900 @ 0.00035865 = 31.884 BTC [-] [04:46]
ben_vulpes decimation, mircea_popescu: ksr, "We could be intruding on alien life." << isn't colonialism about coopting local structure if not eradicating them entirely? [04:52]
mircea_popescu colonialism is about coopting the locals on its own terms only. [04:53]
mircea_popescu that's the point of colonialism : much like b-a, you may only join it nude. [04:53]
ben_vulpes "do as i say, or i slay." [04:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 9477 @ 0.00021105 = 2.0001 BTC [-] [04:54]
mircea_popescu quite. [04:54]
mircea_popescu that's the important thing about colonialism : it is a plain statement of the fundamental worthlessness of the locals. what it says is that their culture is not worth reading. [04:55]
mircea_popescu in many cases, this attitude is actually correct [04:55]
mircea_popescu which is why i don't particularly share the worries of most intellectuals abnout the various books burned during history. [04:55]
mircea_popescu if the people that wrote them weren't idiots, the books wouldn't have been burned. [04:55]
mircea_popescu im sure if someone burned down reddit loads of future intellectuals will be all "o noes, the treasures lost". because they don't exactly know. [04:56]
mircea_popescu and so for them erring that way is sensible. but in actual fact... good god, the world is better off. [04:56]
ben_vulpes [02:58] the keys used to keep bitcoins a store of value are. << wat [04:58]
mircea_popescu (same idea re: "state preserving old buildings" put forth in http://trilema.com/2009/el-ingenioso-hidalgo-don-quijote-de-la-mancha-si-conul-andrei-pippidi/ drove teh romanaian nuts. but the point stands : why the fuck would the public treasury spend money to maintain some family houses of meanwhile dead families ? once the snail's no longer in the shell, the shell has no further meaning or import.) [04:58]
assbot El ingenioso hidalgo Don Quijote de la Mancha si conul Andrei Pippidi. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1xmjRIc ) [04:58]
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ben_vulpes ;;later tell bagehot lmk if you want a hand with setting up networks off of the mainchain [05:00]
gribble The operation succeeded. [05:00]
ben_vulpes ;;later tell bagehot "normative statement" << actually now i'm not so sure i want to be around you at all even [05:01]
gribble The operation succeeded. [05:01]
mircea_popescu lol the guy is trying, give him six months. [05:02]
ben_vulpes [04:12] Another argument I've heard is that thing like 'money' and the 'economy' exist as they are because of some constraints that are present in the natural world and so those constraints, eh, cause certain behaviors << it's called thermodynamics [05:02]
ben_vulpes new noobs, gorgeous weather, summer runup must be impending. [05:06]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [05:07]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 284.5, Best ask: 284.6, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 284.62, 24 hour volume: 37387.61151736, 24 hour low: 281.36, 24 hour high: 293.22, 24 hour vwap: None [05:07]
mircea_popescu looks like it. [05:07]
ben_vulpes 10k by nov? [05:07]
ben_vulpes who's the fractional reserve this time? [05:07]
mircea_popescu well considering all the bezzle poured in, it should be d.cbse [05:08]
ben_vulpes gemini being the replacement-in-the-wings [05:08]
ben_vulpes fiat hedge against fiat failure [05:08]
ben_vulpes ben_vulpes, i reinstall nigubuntu a few days after 0.10 came out, i forgot to backup blocks so i had to dl it all again, but not able to do so despite blowing about 100gb on trying << dude i need more than this [05:09]
ben_vulpes like ~/.bitcoin/debug.log files from block where it wedges [05:10]
ben_vulpes block number [05:10]
ben_vulpes general symptoms of shitgnomery [05:10]
mircea_popescu he's new. give him six months. [05:10]
ben_vulpes and then THEN you need to point the thing at a known-good node and see if you get the same results. [05:10]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: cazalla? new? [05:11]
mircea_popescu at computering [05:11]
cazalla ben_vulpes, i really only got off windows like.. 7-8 months ago [05:12]
scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-portrait-of-young-lenin-as-an-artist-in-his-youth/ [05:13]
ben_vulpes well you have places to hunt now don't you? and a foundation to whom to report shitgnomery in the wild? [05:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91228 @ 0.00035522 = 32.406 BTC [-] [05:13]
ben_vulpes anyways cazalla your mission should you choose to accept it is to run down some useful debug information from a 0.8.6 that refuses to sync. i suggest booting your bitcoind with the -debug flag. [05:16]
mircea_popescu lol @ should you choose to accept it device. [05:17]
mircea_popescu which game was this ? doom ? [05:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102950 @ 0.00035483 = 36.5297 BTC [-] {2} [05:17]
cazalla ben_vulpes, here, not sure if any help http://dpaste.com/3EKMNTB.txt [05:18]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1xmlBkN ) [05:18]
cazalla i think this was from 0.8.6 or maybe 0.8.3 install, can't remember [05:18]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2012/visual-culture-test-the-naked-woman/#comment-90764 << ahaha check it out how one patrick mcfarland made a btc in 2012 [05:18]
assbot Visual Culture Test - The Naked Woman pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1xmlC8m ) [05:18]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: mission impossible! [05:18]
ben_vulpes as a side note, it's lovely to see pastebin die the good death. [05:19]
mircea_popescu oh ? [05:19]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: the movie... [05:20]
mircea_popescu http://40.media.tumblr.com/4462e776fa649fb2001fd50392084f46/tumblr_my1gxe6Ubl1s0yaxoo1_1280.jpg << check out the maids outfit that bride picked! [05:20]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NUQmHV ) [05:20]
mircea_popescu i mean it's traditionally a device to humiliate the girls, but the degree! [05:20]
ben_vulpes good god they're all like 35 [05:21]
mircea_popescu well yes ? [05:21]
cazalla mircea_popescu, ya know what i'm yet to figure out about such pics, under what circumstances do people get naked like this at a wedding? [05:21]
cazalla european thing or what [05:21]
mircea_popescu yes. [05:21]
ben_vulpes ERROR: ProcessBlock() : already have block 234015 << so your remote node is misbehaving [05:22]
mircea_popescu here, one more http://36.media.tumblr.com/8d98884538d636d0166f2ed798ed21ea/tumblr_mu83nerhLP1sz40t4o1_500.jpg [05:22]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NUQAPk ) [05:22]
ben_vulpes although hard to tell if its getting blocks it already has or just 'heights' it already has [05:23]
ben_vulpes ERROR: ProcessBlock() : already have block 233764 00000000000000f9386cebe790b230739587e8d554d94579e8e569b73107c472 [05:24]
ben_vulpes << considering running 'getblockhash 233764' and seeing if it returns the same hash [05:24]
ben_vulpes although is that the hash of the existing block or the incoming block and are they even the same? [05:24]
mircea_popescu 00000000000000f9386cebe790b230739587e8d554d94579e8e569b73107c472 [05:24]
* ben_vulpes is not opening up cpp tonight, will run from flawed meatram [05:24]
mircea_popescu ayup [05:24]
ben_vulpes /s/considering/consider [05:25]
ben_vulpes hm wait wrong construction [05:25]
mircea_popescu srsly. [05:25]
ben_vulpes cazalla: please run 'getblockhash 233764' and report [05:25]
ben_vulpes if you have 0.8.6 available for inquiry. [05:26]
ben_vulpes 67.70.13.210 << in 10* seeds? [05:26]
ben_vulpes and to tag this with the 'block download' thread: nodes that misbehave like this must be booted from the dl candidate list. [05:27]
ben_vulpes pronto. [05:27]
mircea_popescu dude, we went over this. the list is strictly made out of wot nodes. nothing else. [05:27]
mircea_popescu stop filtering badness. [05:27]
cazalla ben_vulpes, can't at this time, chain and client i have half done here atm is 0.10.0 from when i got frustrated and decided to see if this work, it didn't get to that blockheight [05:28]
ben_vulpes not the hardcoded list, but the list of candidates constructed at/during runtime from which a node may consider downloading blocks. [05:28]
cazalla i actually have older chain here on external hdd so im copying that over, it isn't a full one either though, i believe it is from other day when trying 0.8.6 so will try soon [05:29]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes ideally it'd have a performance based model, where it sorts the connections according to a "value", periodically kicking the bottom one and taking a new one in [05:29]
mircea_popescu just assign costs to cpu/bw usage, and price to information obtained, and there you go [05:30]
cazalla anyway, point i was trying to make last night was drunk, bad decision or not, i have done this many times over past year and it would always get a full chain after a day, but can't since 0.10.0 came out [05:30]
ben_vulpes this is the obvious solution, yes. [05:30]
ben_vulpes well codified, thank you mircea_popescu. [05:30]
* mircea_popescu waives any merit. [05:31]
cazalla not that i was trying to use 0.10.0, that was just a last resort past few days [05:31]
ben_vulpes cazalla: this needs proving and reproduction. [05:31]
ben_vulpes nailgun for the shitgnomes. [05:31]
ben_vulpes eg does it wedge reproducibly, etc. [05:32]
ben_vulpes jesus fuck the qa. [05:32]
ben_vulpes 00000000000001909813d3f692378c41ffa9c21e444ebac220a33137d94948c5 << point at which pasted log kicks into "orphan frenzy" [05:33]
ben_vulpes nonstd transaction? [05:34]
cazalla what's AddToWallet, should i snip that from log before putting on dpaste? [05:34]
ben_vulpes heh probs. [05:35]
ben_vulpes twould be real funny if there were privkeys in that log statement. [05:35]
cazalla nah i checked [05:35]
ben_vulpes and you're certain you know the contents of that logline? [05:35]
ben_vulpes OMIT any potentially sensitive data there. [05:36]
ben_vulpes try to preserve charcount. [05:36]
cazalla ben_vulpes, this is from trying to -reindex with 0.8.6 http://dpaste.com/3E6139P.txt [05:36]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NUSf7n ) [05:36]
mircea_popescu 2015-03-14 08:29:22 LevelDB read failure: Corruption: block checksum mismatch [05:37]
mircea_popescu did you shutdown your pc uncleanly ? such as for instance power fsailure ? [05:37]
cazalla nope, client crashes [05:37]
mircea_popescu before that. [05:38]
cazalla ben_vulpes, confident nothing in there, but even if there was, i have nothing more than bitcents on machine connected to internet [05:38]
cazalla no [05:38]
ben_vulpes was that a fresh sync or using an old blockchain? [05:39]
cazalla it's about 8gb of blocks which i downloaded using 0.8.6 the other day [05:39]
ben_vulpes 132587 << fresh sync i'm betting [05:39]
cazalla so i copied em over into blocks dir here now and ran 0.8.6 [05:40]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=831003.0 << look, a scamcoin that's not totally retarded from the get-go. [05:41]
assbot [ANN] Woodcoin [LOG] Pure Skein, Logarithmic Release, X9_62_prime256v1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1NUSwas ) [05:41]
ben_vulpes hm. [05:41]
cazalla over the past few days i've tried a fresh install with 0.8.3, 0.8.6 and 0.10.0 and all have problems, and yes fresh as in fresh as i wiped hdd each time [05:41]
ben_vulpes Are you going to argue with Bruce Schneier? I didn't think so. << amazing pedigree [05:42]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [05:42]
mircea_popescu that idiocy aside, using skein's not necessarily a bad choice [05:42]
mircea_popescu this is what i meant : while the thing's not necessarily useful, at least it's trying. [05:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29867 @ 0.00035597 = 10.6318 BTC [+] [05:44]
ben_vulpes cazalla: ok well are you game for some foundation support? [05:44]
ben_vulpes please don't make me build and test more bitcoinds [05:44]
cazalla well that's why i have a pogo otw [05:44]
ben_vulpes aws bill was insane for last three months [05:45]
cazalla i'll fuck around with the pogo and hopefully learn a thing or two, that but that aside, what are odds shitty ram is cause of my problems.. memtest86 cites errors and i actually did have a couple blackouts a month back [05:45]
ben_vulpes well i have non pogo tasks for you [05:46]
mircea_popescu cazalla that may have corrupted a db then [05:46]
cazalla mircea_popescu even on fresh o/s with new install of bitcoin-qt? [05:46]
ben_vulpes i will not accept 'may have'. [05:46]
mircea_popescu cazalla if memory corrupts then yes, on anything. [05:46]
cazalla i'll go buy a cheap stick of ram tmw and try again [05:47]
cazalla ben_vulpes, unfortunately, i need a lot of hand holding as i can only get so far myself so i would likely cause you more trouble than be of help [05:47]
ben_vulpes nope. [05:47]
ben_vulpes "teach a man to fish". [05:47]
ben_vulpes when i'm done with you you'll be downright valuable. [05:47]
mircea_popescu no homo ? [05:48]
cazalla well, what would you need me to do and is it bandwidth intensive? [05:48]
ben_vulpes unlike some people i'm willing to train male slaves. [05:48]
cazalla lol [05:48]
ben_vulpes cazalla: you'll not be on the hook for b/w. [05:48]
ben_vulpes that'll have to come from my heirs legacy. [05:49]
cazalla no, i mean my use of it with home internet connection [05:49]
ben_vulpes heirs'. [05:49]
cazalla as long as it doesn't blow it to over say 100gb, i can help, i have some older machines here too if of any use [05:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 168500 @ 0.00035151 = 59.2294 BTC [-] {3} [05:50]
ben_vulpes if you find that this is *not* a ram issue, i'll provide you ssh access to a thing on which you can run a bitcoind. [05:50]
cazalla i should be able to let you know whether it is or not by this time tmw [05:51]
ben_vulpes anyone who has other ideas re: muntzing cazalla's system please chime in [05:52]
ben_vulpes cazalla: [05:52]
ben_vulpes lady v returns from travels tomorrow noon pst, so i'll likely be unavailable though the pm. [05:52]
cazalla i'll leave you a note if you're not around anyway [05:53]
ben_vulpes tbf i'm more likely to get fucked into quiescence than vice versa [05:53]
ben_vulpes dude what the shit [05:54]
ben_vulpes i just got a 400 redirect [05:55]
ben_vulpes what is *wrong* with people [05:55]
ben_vulpes oh actually lolariously [05:55]
mircea_popescu http://qntra.net/2015/03/blythe-masters-to-head-wall-street-invasion/#comment-13670 << i lawled. [05:56]
assbot Blythe Masters To Head Wall Street Invasion | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1BgHXEI ) [05:56]
ben_vulpes trinque was bitching earlier today about getting a 418 TEAPOT from a production point of sale system [05:56]
mircea_popescu "We don’t think of bitcoin as being [...] an alternative currency [...]. We think of it as a medium for exchange" [05:58]
mircea_popescu top kek in klass. [05:58]
ben_vulpes get kesselman in here, eh? [05:59]
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mircea_popescu ya srsly. [06:01]
mircea_popescu i think she was, actually. [06:01]
ben_vulpes oh goodness madonna on stern [06:02]
mircea_popescu mebbe just trilema http://trilema.com/2014/this-is-me-being-completely-spaced-out/#comment-100653 [06:02]
assbot This is me being completely spaced out pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NUU44q ) [06:02]
ben_vulpes http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2015/03/madonna-on-howard-stern-3-11-15/ [06:02]
assbot Madonna on Howard Stern 3.11.15 | The Big Picture ... ( http://bit.ly/1NUU6sS ) [06:02]
mircea_popescu lol i remember when she was teaching leterman wardrobe terms [06:03]
ben_vulpes "i will do as told." < ha this one [06:03]
mircea_popescu "Please use the comments to demonstrate your own ignorance, unfamiliarity with empirical data and lack of respect for scientific knowledge. Be sure to create straw men and argue against things I have neither said nor implied. If you could repeat previously discredited memes or steer the conversation into irrelevant, off topic discussions, it would be appreciated. Lastly, kindly forgo all civility in your discourse . . [06:04]
mircea_popescu . you are, after all, anonymous." [06:04]
mircea_popescu ahahah [06:04]
mircea_popescu holtzy is kinda funny. [06:04]
ben_vulpes i've been waiting for you to come around [06:04]
mircea_popescu wait, i thought her fucking tupac was public knowledge. [06:05]
ben_vulpes http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/03/wolf-richter-us-oil-bust-just-got-worse.html << pretty amazing how linear the 'fraking boom' looks in retrospect [06:06]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [06:06]
assbot Wolf Richter: The US Oil Bust Just Got Worse | naked capitalism ... ( http://bit.ly/1NUUnw3 ) [06:06]
mircea_popescu mhm [06:07]
ben_vulpes i still want to get that madonna book [06:08]
mircea_popescu so get it ? [06:08]
mircea_popescu you live in like, a city, right ? [06:08]
ben_vulpes i just burnt my discretionary income on fundation expenses. [06:08]
mircea_popescu http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/US-rig-count_1988_2015-03-13oil-bust.png << saudi sanctions, lolz. [06:08]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1BgJURj ) [06:09]
mircea_popescu lol. don't you ppl have some moneyz ? [06:09]
ben_vulpes pretty much all req'd to hedge against famine months [06:10]
ben_vulpes what's the mpex phrase? [06:11]
mircea_popescu "eat the woman, save the cow" ? [06:11]
ben_vulpes "solemnly promise to not introduce personal expenses" etc etc [06:12]
mircea_popescu you're confusing me. weren't these servers ? [06:13]
ben_vulpes sure, yeah. [06:13]
mircea_popescu anyway, discussion continued tomorrow, im off. [06:13]
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mircea_popescu so i get a piece of spam, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/spam.png and i'm curious, where did the script get that sentence ? [10:02]
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mircea_popescu google responds with http://www.reddit.com/r/careerguidance/comments/2a27w2/my_wife_has_a_useless_degree_and_a_history_of/ [10:02]
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mircea_popescu leaving aside the "reddit principally exists as source of pre-spun spam text, because the cult of bayesianism really does work", jesus christ check out that life history. [10:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 180118 @ 0.00033836 = 60.9447 BTC [+] [10:07]
mircea_popescu the kicker, of course, being "She seems to think that professional careers require flawless writing ability, which I don't feel is the case." [10:11]
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mircea_popescu http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3141310154691952 [10:38]
assbot 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1BhmxqZ ) [10:38]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform ^ chgeck it out, the internet breaks a little more. [10:38]
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kakobrekla http://i.imgur.com/SefmLKf.gif [10:57]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67640 @ 0.00033819 = 22.8752 BTC [-] [10:58]
mats lol [10:58]
mircea_popescu ahahaha [10:58]
mircea_popescu who is this ? [10:58]
kakobrekla dunno [10:58]
mircea_popescu interesting : he tries to fight obscurity, going to extreme lengths to put a spotlight on himself [11:03]
mircea_popescu and yet... nobody knows who he is. [11:03]
mircea_popescu i vote this guy 'most likely to modern man'. [11:04]
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funkenstein_ thanks [11:19]
funkenstein_ can i just say this is the first time i've been on television? [11:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00033018 = 6.2074 BTC [-] [11:21]
funkenstein_ based on how long it's taken me to find my way over here I am going to be a slow learner so thanks in advance for your patience [11:24]
kakobrekla welcome to the show. [11:25]
mircea_popescu lol [11:33]
mircea_popescu read the logs, it's all you need. [11:33]
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mircea_popescu incidentally, http://www.ratbehavior.org/laundry.htm [11:36]
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mircea_popescu funkenstein_ so what abvout this woodcoin thing ? [11:45]
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scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/look-what-the-spam-dragged-in/ [11:48]
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mircea_popescu you prolly want to get in the wot. [12:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00034015 = 11.8712 BTC [+] [12:38]
funkenstein_ confirmed [12:39]
funkenstein_ you can totally trust me. i can take a picture of myself licking a hammer. [12:43]
mircea_popescu see yest's discussion. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2015#1052591 [12:47]
assbot Logged on 14-03-2015 04:11:17; mircea_popescu: you should prolly get in the wot. [12:47]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2015#1052627 << no but wouldn't that kick ass ? [12:48]
assbot Logged on 14-03-2015 05:01:21; decimation: asciilifeform: apparently you need a manor-house with a library [12:48]
funkenstein_ set up but no rating [12:49]
funkenstein_ !gettrust funkenstein [12:53]
assbot funkenstein_ and funkenstein are not registered in WoT. [12:53]
funkenstein_ ;;gettrust funkenstein [12:54]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask funkenstein!518d5cd7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.141.92.215. Trust relationship from user funkenstein to user funkenstein: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=funkenstein&dest=funkenstein | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=funkenstein | Rated since: never [12:54]
funkenstein_ !gpg eauth funkenstein [12:57]
mircea_popescu funkenstein_ follow the bit to get into assbot's. [12:59]
mircea_popescu "We also migrated to the hosted platform as a service provided by Automattic on vip.wordpress.com. This enabled all of our costs and resources to be focused on growth as they didn’t have to worry about caching, servers or anything that didn’t improve experience for our readers or editorial users. " [13:05]
mircea_popescu o.O [13:05]
mircea_popescu this is perhaps one of the most idiotic bits of salescopy i've seen in recent memory : https://vip.wordpress.com/2014/03/11/10-growth-hacks-that-helped-metro-co-uk-achieve-27-million-monthly-visitors/ [13:05]
assbot 10 Growth Hacks That Helped Metro.Co.Uk Achieve 27 Million Monthly Visitors – WordPress.com VIP ... ( http://bit.ly/1NVxJUd ) [13:05]
mircea_popescu "The amazing thing about the platform is that it is a flat fee. This means that although our traffic has grown 350% year on year our costs have not changed. The depth of their out of the box features plus ecosystem of plugins ensured that we did’t have to worry about commodity features such as SEO, site maps and editorial workflows as someone else had built and open sourced an approach." [13:07]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [13:07]
mircea_popescu exactly. [13:07]
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mircea_popescu meanwhile, the thing's just been buying those spammy "related stories from across the net" slots. which... whatever. TRAFIC! [13:07]
mircea_popescu you could have bought that and driven it to a ytmnd for all the good they do anyone. [13:08]
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mircea_popescu but gotta appreciate the "shared hosting for idiots thinking themselves corporate" thing. myths never die! INFINITE BANDWIDTH!!1 [13:09]
mircea_popescu "A key growth hack we developed was the ability to show different headlines for social and search so we didn’t impact our search traffic." [13:11]
mircea_popescu lawls. [13:11]
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kakobrekla its called cloud now btw. [13:22]
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danielpbarron height=276555 vs height=208878 [13:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 141100 @ 0.00032785 = 46.2596 BTC [-] {4} [13:55]
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nubbins` https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=972877.0 [13:58]
assbot GREAT IDEA FOR SALE ... ( http://bit.ly/1NVD3Hd ) [13:58]
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asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i must confess that i didn't grok the analogy with the strategic banana, retreat from the fortress, etc. [14:44]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: internet breaks >> http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3141310154691952@naggum.no.html << you beheaded the link [15:03]
assbot Re: Is LISP dying? - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1AomqdU ) [15:03]
ben_vulpes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvTkefJHfC0&t=199 [15:10]
assbot The SECOND Official Ultra-Ever Dry Video - Superhydrophobic coating - Repels almost any liquid! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1x4PgEy ) [15:10]
ben_vulpes they own linux. [15:13]
ben_vulpes the strategic banana is a red herring. [15:14]
asciilifeform wat [15:14]
asciilifeform [insert correct lolcat] [15:14]
ben_vulpes a non-sequiter. [15:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126000 @ 0.0003274 = 41.2524 BTC [+] [15:21]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: got your tickets ? [15:22]
* asciilifeform was reading log, and noticed that this came up and somehow missed [15:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99400 @ 0.00032316 = 32.1221 BTC [-] {2} [15:34]
ben_vulpes in a day or so. [15:36]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i paid around 0.8k [15:37]
asciilifeform not incl. the gringo-tax thing [15:37]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: if you aren't a miser, and don't want to layover in two separate banana republics summing to a full 24 hrs' journey each way - it'll be more like 1.4 [15:39]
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chetty oh hey I finally get to meet you guys :) [15:40]
* asciilifeform won't have useful cargo, sadly [15:42]
asciilifeform (see logs) [15:43]
asciilifeform unless somebody still wants 'pogo' [15:43]
chetty << plans to have eulora demp [15:44]
BingoBoingo but i even tried 0.10 out of pure frustration and it wouldn't work either.. i actually think it might be related to ram in this pc, memtest86 reports bunch of errors << Bad Ram can keep a lot of things from working [15:44]
chetty demo* [15:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21215 @ 0.0003274 = 6.9458 BTC [+] [15:56]
BingoBoingo i'll fuck around with the pogo and hopefully learn a thing or two, that but that aside, what are odds shitty ram is cause of my problems.. memtest86 cites errors and i actually did have a couple blackouts a month back << Rather high [15:57]
mod6 chetty: im ciked! [16:05]
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thestringpuller asciilifeform: how did you manage that? [16:53]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: i don't mind travelling 24 hours, one less night have to spend in hotel lol [16:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32700 @ 0.0003274 = 10.706 BTC [+] [17:04]
chetty travel can be fun if you relax and go with the flow, my first trip to Argentina was @29 hours [17:06]
thestringpuller chetty: I'll be sure to print out lots of trilema to read [17:09]
chetty hahaha not sure thats a great choice for light airline reading [17:12]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99950 @ 0.00032926 = 32.9095 BTC [+] {3} [17:26]
danielpbarron got my hands on some old computers to play around with :D [17:28]
scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/polish-bitcoin-embassy-closed/ [17:31]
danielpbarron right now i'm gonna try to install openbsd 5.6 on an imac g4 via network [17:31]
BingoBoingo Cool, good luck [17:33]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: Once you do that see if you can get a bitcoin build upon it. [17:33]
BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/coolbearcjs/status/576791641215754241 << From the noise swamp [17:36]
assbot Sources tell me the the NGC is working with Antiguan authorities and the Feds to shut down and to extradite an individual to Nevada soon. [17:36]
danielpbarron i feel like i'm in way over my head trying to figure out the pogo stuff without ever having done the same things on already well established paths [17:38]
danielpbarron https://twitter.com/EllieAsksWhy/status/576820755121377280 [17:39]
assbot /EllieAsksWhy Your presence is requested. http://t.co/7Hj12V2vR4 [17:39]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: Well, if you manage to install OpenBSD it's basically closer to a normal OpenBSD environment than the pogo is. [17:42]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83425 @ 0.0003318 = 27.6804 BTC [+] {2} [18:37]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla shitcloud! [18:42]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform oh i c! [18:43]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: i paid around 0.8k << ftr this sounds about right. [18:47]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: if you aren't a miser, and don't want to layover in two separate banana republics summing to a full 24 hrs' journey each way << this however doesn't ?! [18:47]
mircea_popescu << plans to have eulora hemp << what, no pot ? :D [18:48]
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ben_vulpes mircea_popescu, asciilifeform: miser, pauper, it's all the same [18:49]
mircea_popescu ;later tell cjc NGC ?! [18:50]
mircea_popescu a... company ?! [18:50]
mircea_popescu i flew istanbul - ba direct, coach was ~800 [18:51]
mircea_popescu first class was 1100 [18:51]
ben_vulpes i live in the sticks. [18:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64091 @ 0.00033473 = 21.4532 BTC [+] {2} [18:54]
ben_vulpes the local airport is nominally 'international', but only to select destinations and not many into s.a., much less efficiently over to the south atl. [18:54]
mircea_popescu i guess this is a point. istanbul is a major airtraffic hub. the us... not. [18:54]
ben_vulpes i'm probably going to spend 28hrs traveling both ways, and spend 1.1k [18:54]
mircea_popescu kinda like cccp was a "major airtrafic hub" for internal flights only. [18:55]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes crazy. [18:55]
ben_vulpes i imagine the forbidden city is a bit more well trafficked. [18:55]
ben_vulpes perhaps next year i'll take two weeks off and spend a few days in nyc with friends [18:55]
mircea_popescu bout 1k people / minute. [18:56]
mircea_popescu hm, no, that's an exageration. bout 5k an hour more like it. [18:56]
mircea_popescu meanwhile in teh sticks, http://36.media.tumblr.com/f36cba3e49b12d0a3b87b624e00a2557/tumblr_n2l158SH6c1skmp0co1_1280.jpg [18:58]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MBcPIs ) [18:58]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60900 @ 0.00032478 = 19.7791 BTC [+] [19:18]
fluffypony https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=990285.0 [19:25]
assbot [ANN] [CHK] Chicken | chicken. chickens. chicken. | RC Chicken ... ( http://bit.ly/1MBfIsI ) [19:25]
ben_vulpes chikken-eats-ya [19:31]
BingoBoingo layeggs true to mine? [19:32]
mircea_popescu proof of lay! [19:34]
mircea_popescu !up gabridome [19:34]
-assbot- You voiced gabridome for 30 minutes. [19:34]
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mircea_popescu how's life been treatin ya ? [19:34]
mircea_popescu fluffypony can in egg-vest? [19:35]
mircea_popescu this is like... the frist time i saw something intelligent on tardstalk in... years ?! [19:37]
mircea_popescu wd/ [19:37]
mircea_popescu in similar news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/6a4513d3f9e8366e0748766179582b88/tumblr_mz2hnxZYHL1s4jw4io1_1280.jpg [19:38]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MBgwho ) [19:38]
mircea_popescu chick! [19:38]
fluffypony lol [19:39]
fluffypony what comes first, the chicken-vest or the egg-vest? [19:40]
mircea_popescu egg-vest. i guess i may be the only one still wearing three piece suits, [19:40]
mircea_popescu but i've made more eggvest than say cumpanties. [19:40]
mircea_popescu mostly because the sort of sluts i hang out with don't even have panties, but anyway. [19:40]
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Adlai fluffypony: b& [20:13]
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fluffypony awwww [20:14]
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Adlai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=14-03-2015#1052459 << ik: for them = gaming. also http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/[sf]-{nsa,mg,qntr,mpif}/ all http 500 [20:18]
assbot Logged on 14-03-2015 02:11:04; mike_c: gaming. for them, idk. [20:18]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GFtQgx ) [20:18]
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ben_vulpes http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/s-mpoe/ << works for me [20:24]
assbot S.MPOE Analysis - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1wJMxQe ) [20:24]
ben_vulpes berp of course, that's mpoe [20:24]
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danielpbarron !up funkenstein [20:55]
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funkenstein !register 6B0D10D1878DE25B4DA2695AB2B6360488298AB6 [20:59]
assbot A key with that fingerprint is already registered by funkenstein_ [20:59]
danielpbarron ;;later tell kakobrekla ^ can fix? [20:59]
gribble The operation succeeded. [20:59]
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mircea_popescu http://41.media.tumblr.com/f11b22b24c3ed8f156483edbead36a97/tumblr_mqwqnwfB1w1sqeqspo1_500.jpg [21:28]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/18MzGBC ) [21:28]
mircea_popescu !gettrust funkenstein [21:29]
assbot funkenstein is not registered in WoT. [21:29]
mircea_popescu !gettrust funkenstein_ [21:29]
assbot Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user funkenstein_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/mircea_popescu/funkenstein_ | http://w.b-a.link/user/funkenstein_ [21:29]
mircea_popescu lol noobbane [21:29]
mircea_popescu !rate funkenstein_ 1 New blood [21:29]
assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/9e26c86e0bf5dffd [21:29]
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mircea_popescu !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.funkenstein_.1:08f17d910038511d7eb6dd50c053622072b2d77774b05f63de70f50240b6bd83 [21:30]
assbot Successfully added a rating of 1 for funkenstein_ with note: New blood [21:30]
mircea_popescu funkenstein : id as funkenstein_ and you can self voice. [21:30]
Adlai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-02-2015#1021751 [21:30]
assbot Logged on 17-02-2015 03:18:52; Adlai: let's take a step back. the wot should be about who trusts whom, and trust is verified on the basis of signatures. i see no reason why node identity should be based on anything other than signing keys. [21:30]
mircea_popescu Adlai http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/s-mpoe/ << i see it ? [21:31]
assbot S.MPOE Analysis - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/18MAgPF ) [21:31]
Adlai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2015#1053154 [21:31]
assbot Logged on 14-03-2015 23:19:50; ben_vulpes: berp of course, that's mpoe [21:31]
mircea_popescu Adlai hm ? [21:31]
Adlai mpoe and bbet work, the others don't [21:31]
mircea_popescu o i c. right you are. [21:32]
* Adlai suspects it may involve a lack of dividends [21:32]
mircea_popescu could be [21:32]
mircea_popescu Adlai people associate shorthand names with keys. sorta like nicknames/callsigns work in the army/airforce. [21:33]
Adlai callsigns aren't a good example, being assigned for uniqueness (and sometimes other properties such as perceived cleverness or snake-oil information hiding [21:35]
mircea_popescu but that speaks to how they're assigned, the discussion was about how they're used. [21:37]
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mircea_popescu dude polish looks like a fucking dragon wrote it down. [21:45]
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mircea_popescu pm assbot !up [21:48]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo from what i hear, the entire polish embassy thing is bs. for one thing, they really didn't do much / nobody even knew existed. for the other, no police reports, or what exactly happened there ? [21:49]
mircea_popescu sounds more like a gay spat than anything, two people who figured "they" were the embassy or something. [21:50]
Adlai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-03-2015#1050716 + http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2015#1052448 = profit! [21:52]
assbot Logged on 12-03-2015 21:42:29; scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/latest-ransomware-targets-game-files-related-applications/ [21:52]
assbot Logged on 14-03-2015 02:08:13; asciilifeform: mega-lol re: 'whaleclub', which apparently requires proprietary turdware to connect to! [21:52]
funkenstein_ end to end encryption users not affected: http://research.dyn.com/2015/03/uk-traffic-diverted-ukraine/ [21:56]
assbot UK traffic diverted through Ukraine - Dyn Research | The New Home Of Renesys ... ( http://bit.ly/1GR2w2H ) [21:56]
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ben_vulpes "earlier versions of the popular to edit so as to make your own ransomware." << parser failure [23:21]
ben_vulpes cazalla: [23:21]
cazalla f5 and see if i make sense now [23:22]
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ben_vulpes myeah that's a skosh better. [23:23]
cazalla i guess i could've done a better job of illustrating that these variants are mostly copy/pasta jobs [23:25]
mircea_popescu skosh lol [23:25]
cazalla mircea_popescu, hey, i learned a new word [23:25]
mircea_popescu this is how jewness spreads. [23:26]
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cazalla ben_vulpes, btw, puta shop is closed sundays, so i'm gonna try to sync up blockchain on another machine. i stuck the memory in the other slots in this machine and memtest86 didn't detect any errors over night so might be the motherboard instead [23:27]
cazalla i mean, there are other shops around but they charge an arm and a leg for half as much [23:28]
ben_vulpes probably the right thing to do is to draw the parallel between braindead altcoin 'creators' and braindead copypasty ransomware operators. script kiddies, the lot of 'em. [23:28]
ben_vulpes keep on keepin on cazalla [23:28]
mircea_popescu speaking of which, yo funkenstein_ how much woodcoins does a btc buy me ? [23:28]
ben_vulpes altcoin creator gets in wot [23:28]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu buys coins [23:28]
ben_vulpes dem incentives [23:28]
mircea_popescu lol [23:29]
mircea_popescu http://woodcutting.club/ << clealry. [23:32]
assbot Index of / ... ( http://bit.ly/1xocMGW ) [23:32]
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mircea_popescu http://40.media.tumblr.com/91aad72abf74f35c61aa07815be59c99/tumblr_n2zz6sUe2K1ry2rtco1_1280.jpg << travel lightly. [23:33]
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