Forum logs for 14 Feb 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: xfce, still cleansing/purging toolset [00:00]
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BingoBoingo Background is Memorial Union at Mizzou, built in the days every public uni campus in USia was built in memorian falen soldiers of the franz fredinand police action against germany [00:03]
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thestringpuller mod6: it stopped responding to get_info or at least it looks like it's hanging [00:20]
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thestringpuller damn this shit grinds to a halt as the blocks get bigger. [00:37]
asciilifeform which 'this' [00:37]
thestringpuller 0.5.3.1 [00:38]
thestringpuller with openssl 0.9something [00:38]
thestringpuller Bitcoin 0.5.3.1*** [00:38]
asciilifeform classical or orphanage-burning ? [00:38]
thestringpuller i don't grok :( [00:38]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000038.html [00:39]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kfln4D ) [00:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7375 @ 0.00042782 = 3.1552 BTC [+] {2} [00:40]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5625 @ 0.00043311 = 2.4362 BTC [+] [00:43]
* BingoBoingo not burning bastards, also has not come the slightest bit close to the old RAM limit since implementing new one. [00:45]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: its classic [00:47]
thestringpuller i used mod6 's script to do download/compilation [00:47]
* asciilifeform is not at all interested in running infinitely-memcancerous bitcoind nor can recommend it to others. but also cannot recommend the experimental patch. [00:48]
* asciilifeform will show the next attempt at a proper fix reasonably soon. [00:49]
cazalla incase scoopbot isn't working http://qntra.net/2015/02/excoin-exchange-to-shut-down-amid-claims-of-theft/ [00:49]
assbot Excoin Exchange To Shut Down Amid Claims Of Theft | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AyATYG ) [00:49]
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asciilifeform 'The altcoin exchange Excoin has announced that it will soon shut down after alleging that an attacker was able to withdraw all the bitcoins from the exchange. With a trading engine written in Go, Excoin launched what was predominantly a Blackcoin exchange...' << in other news, some animal stole the heap of shit a fox deposited in my yard. [00:51]
asciilifeform or wait, they had btc too ? [00:52]
cazalla along with some shitty altcoins [00:52]
asciilifeform '...featured a proof of reserve page which reassured members...' << how does a www page 'prove reserve' ? [00:52]
asciilifeform should we even ask. [00:52]
cazalla their claims, not mine! [00:52]
asciilifeform just astonishing that 2011 never ends [00:53]
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BingoBoingo !up herbijudlestoids [00:54]
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Adlai "We noticed the hot wallets dwindling but assuming it was members moving their funds off site during the DDOS, we loaded all the cold balances onto the site so that users would not have withdrawals interrupted during our periods of up time." [00:54]
* Adlai despairs of ever writing fiction... the truth beats anything he can dream up himself [00:55]
mircea_popescu oooo! [00:55]
mircea_popescu "Remember how in May, 2005, the American Psychiatric Association endorsed same sex marriage? And you applauded the moral fortitude and progressive instinct of this august body? Well, instead of debating whether there should or should not be same-sex marriage, perhaps we should ask what modern psychiatry could possibly contribute to this discussion. The answer is nothing. [00:56]
mircea_popescu You can't get away with pat answers, such as psychiatrists see the psychiatric ramifications of discrimination or being unable to marry. There are psychiatric ramifications of bankruptcy, and war, but no one felt compelled to write a policy statement on it (and thank God.) [00:56]
mircea_popescu And no, there isn't a difference between bankruptcy and gay marriage-- not to psychiatry. That's the point. These are social problems about which modern psychiatry is definitionally ignorant. The APA did not endorse polygamy. What's the difference? If homosexuality is not a psychiatric disorder, than there is no more reason to be more for or against it than there is for any other kind of marriage. The APA is no better [00:56]
mircea_popescu suited to answering these questions than, say, the NFL. [00:56]
mircea_popescu What if the NFL came out against antidepressants in children? This is a perfectly valid analogy, because neither the NFL nor psychiatry have special knowledge that make their statements anything more than opinions. What do psychiatrists know about same-sex marriage that the quarterback for the Patriots doesn’t? Don’t laugh—I’m serious. What’s the answer? [00:56]
mircea_popescu Medicine, or the APA, can legitimately express a policy only if the policy was grounded in science or logic. Perhaps the APA cares to release this intriguing scientific data? (While it is at it, perhaps it can also release the data supporting the use of half of the medications currently favored by APA Guidelines?) But this seems pretty much business as usual for the APA. Rather than work on its own serious failings, [00:56]
mircea_popescu it involves itself in social policy." [00:56]
mircea_popescu best.quote.ever. [00:56]
mircea_popescu this, incidentally, is why no us pseudoscientific body can be taken seriously to any purpose. especially not to the purpose it supposedly serves. [00:56]
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mircea_popescu this includes the IETF as well as it includes the AMA. [00:57]
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mircea_popescu can't be arsed to fix the thing, can be arsed to ban evade. very fucking smart. [00:58]
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BingoBoingo bitcoin-qt is seriously just chilling now. was getting killed by malloc every half hour and now isn't even touching the line that killed it earlier. [01:00]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: sad thing is, idiots denied apa/ietf/international association of bloodletting & phlogiston - will reinvent them.. [01:00]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the "trading" fo shitty altcoins for inexisting bitcoin is the most important part of the altcoin pumping scams. [01:01]
mircea_popescu wow herbijudlestoids in da house ? [01:01]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: You actually here? [01:02]
BingoBoingo I saw his join, but he's quiet if he's here [01:02]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform not particularly sad. the point ios for us to know syphilitic whore is syphilitic, not for her to not get laid anymore. [01:02]
mircea_popescu this isn't about "every fuckhead's precious" [01:02]
mircea_popescu this is about me going "gtfo" to tim swanson while he derps about how "normal debates work". [01:03]
herbijudlestoids im here [01:03]
herbijudlestoids huelolelo [01:03]
asciilifeform thought this was about annihilated scientific fields [01:03]
asciilifeform or stillborn ones [01:04]
mircea_popescu hey [01:04]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes, but in the wot, not in the world. [01:04]
mircea_popescu the world can rot. [01:04]
herbijudlestoids hows everyone [01:04]
mircea_popescu great. [01:05]
herbijudlestoids i came to check yall behaving [01:05]
mircea_popescu did your burn rate finally catch up with the funding ? [01:05]
herbijudlestoids nope, we are doin really well [01:05]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: It's been how long now, a year almost since your last visit? [01:05]
herbijudlestoids and, not funding :), actual paying customers [01:05]
mircea_popescu o.O impossibri [01:06]
asciilifeform what does herbijudlestoids sell, again? [01:06]
herbijudlestoids clouds [01:06]
asciilifeform ? [01:06]
herbijudlestoids openstack based IaaS clouds [01:06]
asciilifeform aha timesharing [01:06]
herbijudlestoids ye [01:06]
BingoBoingo !b 3 [01:06]
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herbijudlestoids we doin good [01:07]
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herbijudlestoids its very stressful [01:07]
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herbijudlestoids i work a lot :( [01:07]
mircea_popescu i don't get it, there's literally an ocean of providers of this stuff. [01:07]
mircea_popescu you telling me you can actually eke a living in such a market ? [01:08]
decimation digital ocean? [01:08]
herbijudlestoids yup, we offer expertise for big providers [01:08]
mircea_popescu decimation on top of that lol [01:08]
herbijudlestoids we dont compete in the race to bottom [01:08]
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herbijudlestoids so there is no herbicloud [01:08]
mircea_popescu this is a noble goal, but a little like pron studios claiming the same. [01:08]
mircea_popescu not up to you. [01:08]
decimation asciilifeform: did you see my link about continued sparc production [01:08]
Namworld Damn, I need to use gpg to log in here now? Gribble not enough anymore? [01:08]
mircea_popescu Namworld assbot forket wot. [01:08]
herbijudlestoids the big providers pay us lots of money to make their clouds gud [01:08]
mircea_popescu it's a much better implementation anyway [01:09]
asciilifeform decimation: 7000 sold/yr is not 'continued production' on the planet i live in [01:09]
herbijudlestoids because, it seems, most people not good at it [01:09]
asciilifeform decimation: it's inventory liquidation [01:09]
decimation asciilifeform: aye, it's highly amusing [01:09]
herbijudlestoids turns out large scale distributed systems are hard [01:09]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids that part i can see. so more like ops consulting for iaas ppl ? [01:09]
decimation no, they claim to still be doing r&d [01:09]
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decimation apparently they have some chip with 16 cores at 8 'threads' each [01:09]
asciilifeform decimation: they can claim whatever they like [01:09]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: yeah. but we also develop IP as we go around that ops stuff [01:09]
mircea_popescu aha. [01:09]
herbijudlestoids deployment tools, config mgmt, automated service discovery etc [01:09]
asciilifeform decimation: calculate what each unit would have to cost, approximately, for the vendor to stand any chance of breaking even [01:10]
herbijudlestoids we r pretty gud [01:10]
mircea_popescu yeah, so what's the plan, sell to microshit for 100mn in a year or two once they decide to beef up that biz ? [01:10]
decimation asciilifeform: yeah and then compare to similar pile of arm chips [01:10]
herbijudlestoids im in charge of ops, but my counterpart is in charge of the dev stuff [01:10]
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herbijudlestoids actually, in one sense it is *TOO* big, and i got tired of working on it all day, so for hobby i now admin my own freebsd server with jails [01:10]
herbijudlestoids just like the gud old days [01:10]
decimation asciilifeform: the only possibility is that usg is buying vanity products [01:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17641 @ 0.00042605 = 7.5159 BTC [-] [01:11]
asciilifeform decimation: there was a scandal that broke not long ago, where it came out that usg is single-handedly keeping a number of fabs (mostly rad-hard stuff) in business [01:11]
asciilifeform decimation: their competitors are now whining, 'we want too!111!!!11' [01:11]
decimation that's actually suspiciously smart [01:12]
decimation of course they are [01:12]
BingoBoingo Damn, I need to use gpg to log in here now? Gribble not enough anymore? << Gribble was down too long and nanotube's vacation was long enough for people to worry about abduction [01:12]
decimation the problem with keeping things alive on bezzlars is that there's always a runt who will squeal if not on the tit [01:12]
asciilifeform decimation: you can probably guess that they didn't do it because 'smart', but because eternal contracts signed, likely, five or six presidents ago [01:12]
Namworld okay [01:12]
decimation asciilifeform: well, some elder thought it was smart [01:12]
mircea_popescu Namworld http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot [01:13]
herbijudlestoids so. [01:13]
assbot irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1BqStij ) [01:13]
herbijudlestoids tell me guise. [01:13]
asciilifeform phun phact: radhard ic is quite arguably obsolete - similar effect can be had using tandems [01:13]
herbijudlestoids wut happen? [01:13]
asciilifeform but this is a hatephact [01:13]
BingoBoingo Also with lead box [01:13]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: who pays for launching the lead ? [01:13]
decimation asciilifeform: well, there are loads of silly-con valley satellite 'startups' that are launching plain arm chips into leo [01:14]
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mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids tons of things. qntra.net took over the business of bitcoin news. gavin has been shot in the head, foundation's over, bitcoin "development" past 0.5.x is being considered for deletion [01:14]
herbijudlestoids TFW the USD spazzes out and causes bitcoin to drop from >1000 to <150 [01:14]
asciilifeform decimation: difference is that those ^ don't actually need to work [01:14]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Toilet pays. If volume and not weight is the concern though Osmium box. [01:14]
decimation but leo is child's play compared to van allen belts & beyond [01:14]
asciilifeform decimation: the orbital nukes - do. [01:14]
decimation asciilifeform: aye [01:14]
herbijudlestoids yea i did read some rants from you on trilema about that mircea_popescu [01:15]
herbijudlestoids i dunno what qntra is [01:15]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: If you want to play around with the foundation's 0.5.3.1 builds on FreeBSD they'd probably welcome it [01:15]
mircea_popescu http://qntra.net/2015/02/there-is-nothing-new-in-the-world-except-for-the-history-you-didnt-know/ [01:15]
assbot There is nothing new in the world. Except for the history you didn't know. | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AyFWIv ) [01:15]
herbijudlestoids BingoBoingo: how stupid large is the blockchain right now? a billion gigabytes? [01:16]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: In the 30GB's [01:16]
decimation asciilifeform: it kind of surprised me that usg allowed ibm to sell their fab actually [01:16]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: You have jails you can build variations and see if they sync [01:16]
asciilifeform decimation: hence you can infer - real owner has not changed. [01:17]
asciilifeform decimation: could not change. [01:17]
decimation aye [01:17]
herbijudlestoids yeah, being QA for the bitcoin foundation sounds fun... [01:17]
* herbijudlestoids gets right on that :/ [01:17]
mircea_popescu decimation if you review the us foreign policy, it can't escape your notice that the us is playing exactly the role of one of the classical woman in love : will pretend like she's a priss to all comers, except there's one she will literally eat the shit from. [01:17]
decimation I'm sure that there were 'conditions' on the 'sale' (what do you call it when you give money to someone in exchange for impoverishing you? [01:18]
mircea_popescu his name's china, and the us can't even mention what he asks of her. let alone consider what to say. [01:18]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ ben_vulpes and mod6 run the thing [01:18]
assbot ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AyGpur ) [01:18]
herbijudlestoids oh, is this the fork foundation? [01:18]
BingoBoingo Yeah [01:18]
mircea_popescu no, this is the nonfork foundation. [01:18]
herbijudlestoids confusing [01:18]
asciilifeform herbijudlestoids: this is the actual foundation [01:18]
mircea_popescu there's also a scam foundation, but w/e. [01:18]
herbijudlestoids lol right in -assets land [01:18]
herbijudlestoids yeah [01:18]
asciilifeform herbijudlestoids: there is also a phoundation pushing crock'o'shit [01:19]
asciilifeform aha [01:19]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu inb4 [01:19]
mircea_popescu lol [01:19]
mircea_popescu but i mean this quite literally. scam foundation tried to push a bitcoin fork. [01:19]
decimation mircea_popescu: perhaps usg is desperate for china to become big enough so that usg can surrender to it [01:19]
mircea_popescu which attempt failed. [01:19]
thestringpuller they are still pushing that fork on some level [01:19]
BingoBoingo herbijudlestoids: I dare you to try a makefile for 0.9.3 on FreeBSD that doesn't lean on the linux emulation layer [01:19]
thestringpuller trying to push upgrades [01:19]
mircea_popescu decimation i think it's just perverse masochism. self hating liberal white people finally found an empire of nationalistic chinese froggies that despise foreigners. [01:20]
mircea_popescu match made in heaven. [01:20]
asciilifeform herbijudlestoids: the basic idea, if i dare suggest that there is one, is a pedigreed 0.5.3 and a sequence of man-readable patches, signed by folks known to one another. [01:20]
herbijudlestoids 0.5.3 being the last version that -assets finds acceptable? [01:20]
decimation mircea_popescu: maybe if we give them everything they will accept our love? [01:20]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: imho time spent on 0.9.x other than mining for zoological data (mutilations, fixes) is wasted [01:20]
mircea_popescu i think it was more like the first. 6.something prolly. [01:20]
mircea_popescu decimation that'd be cvounterproductive. more like, give everything, maybe then they'll finally take out the whip. [01:21]
herbijudlestoids hey you guys know i had an idea [01:21]
herbijudlestoids for a quick-and-dirty-cardano [01:21]
herbijudlestoids or whatever that thing was called [01:21]
asciilifeform a brick on a rope. [01:21]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo: imho time spent on 0.9.x other than mining for zoological data (mutilations, fixes) is wasted << Indeed shit just doesn't work there as pete_dush discovered [01:21]
asciilifeform very quick [01:21]
asciilifeform dirty if you drag it on the ground first [01:21]
asciilifeform we already had herbijudlestoids's idea, see. [01:22]
mircea_popescu lolwut [01:22]
herbijudlestoids odroid + touchscreen + linux + seahorse [01:22]
asciilifeform how about a vax and a vt100. [01:22]
asciilifeform why even. [01:22]
* asciilifeform head-desks [01:22]
herbijudlestoids the benefit of this is that you can encrypt messages too [01:22]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids there's tons of quick and dirty cardanos out there already. [01:22]
mircea_popescu the point of this place is cleanliness. [01:22]
BingoBoingo Can encrypt from anything. Decrypt and signing are the hard problems [01:23]
decimation asciilifeform: it would be amusing if someone were to make an electro-mechanical RSA machine [01:23]
decimation like the enigma & "tunny" machines [01:23]
asciilifeform decimation: laugh, but i actually considered this. [01:23]
asciilifeform decimation: also considered the nearly equally impractical ttl logic variant. [01:23]
herbijudlestoids i mean, this device, it can handle decrypt/sign in the same way as cardano, but also add the ability for the user to write and encrypt a message with their key using the touchscreen [01:23]
decimation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorenz_cipher < tunny [01:23]
assbot Lorenz cipher - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1vsI9iE ) [01:23]
herbijudlestoids nvm :) [01:23]
BingoBoingo Encrypt merely requires pub key. [01:24]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform if nubbins` weren't such a noob, he'd have laser etched a mechanical rsa by now [01:24]
BingoBoingo Encrypt from dirty machine and burn it until cleansed [01:24]
decimation yeah it would be very difficult to implement without some kind of state machine [01:24]
asciilifeform decimation: vernam (otp, xor) is trivial - mechanically or otherwise [01:24]
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asciilifeform !up herbijudlestoids [01:24]
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herbijudlestoids lol :( [01:25]
herbijudlestoids assbot hate me [01:25]
decimation asciilifeform: aye, that would have its uses too [01:25]
herbijudlestoids the thing that worries me about the cardano is upgrades [01:25]
herbijudlestoids what if i want to patch it [01:25]
* asciilifeform wishes he had a bitcent for every 'here's how you can make a quick cardano' letter [01:25]
herbijudlestoids or whatever [01:25]
decimation why on earth would it need to be upgraded? [01:25]
asciilifeform herbijudlestoids: what if you want to patch your hypothalamus ? [01:25]
herbijudlestoids to add support for new ciphers or something? i dunno [01:26]
mircea_popescu you don't patch it, you burn it and get a new one. [01:26]
herbijudlestoids if its software based i could theoretically use the same device to interact with other encryption toolsets like nacl or whatever [01:26]
asciilifeform ^ [01:26]
decimation re: china > https://tiananmenstremendousachievements.wordpress.com/2014/05/02/china-destroyed-control-chip-of-japanese-spy-satellite-with-secret-weapon/ < lulzy translated chinese military propaganda blog [01:26]
assbot China Destroyed Control Chip of Japanese Spy Satellite with Secret Weapon | Tiananmen's Tremendous Achievements ... ( http://bit.ly/1AyHSAS ) [01:26]
asciilifeform burn, new [01:26]
asciilifeform herbijudlestoids: if 'software-based' is what you want, i don't get it, you already own a computer ? [01:27]
asciilifeform why even interested in the subject then [01:27]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform> herbijudlestoids: what if you want to patch your hypothalamus ? << Don't remember if I did this or not. [01:27]
herbijudlestoids i want it to be software based, but handheld battery powered, airgapped, single function, etc [01:27]
mircea_popescu so buy a laptop [01:27]
asciilifeform laptop, palmtop (can get ms-dos!) etc [01:28]
herbijudlestoids yeah, im just proposing exactly that except with smaller formfactor hardware and a GUI shell that just runs seahorse or whatever [01:28]
mircea_popescu 10 yo laptops are basically the value of the rare metals in them. 20 bux. [01:28]
decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-12-2013#415970 [01:28]
assbot Logged on 10-12-2013 19:28:23; asciilifeform: what you're probably thinking of (or what you will think of, if you think long enough) is: secure terminal. complete with keyboard and display. [01:28]
herbijudlestoids or you could buy a brand new odroid for $35 [01:29]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform> laptop, palmtop (can get ms-dos!) etc << Sharp Zarus [01:29]
mircea_popescu or that. [01:29]
asciilifeform ^ no proper rng in any of the machines discussed here [01:29]
mircea_popescu if you can trust their closed stack turd. [01:29]
asciilifeform and ^ [01:30]
asciilifeform decimation: let's play with the satellite thing [01:30]
decimation herbijudlestoids: if you read the logs, you discover several explanations for why what you desire doesn't exist [01:30]
asciilifeform decimation: service ceiling of the j20 is, according strictly to rumour, 18km. [01:30]
herbijudlestoids well, some of the odroids i know have a hw RNG, but i dont know how adequate it is [01:30]
asciilifeform decimation: let's assume that the thing was flying at the ceiling [01:30]
asciilifeform let's also assume that the sat was in leo. [01:31]
decimation yeah those seem reasonable [01:31]
asciilifeform say, 160km. [01:31]
decimation that's pretty low, but okay [01:32]
mircea_popescu that was a lengthy intro for "let delta = 150km" [01:32]
asciilifeform so, 142km between shooter and victim. [01:32]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: our usg readers may have some trouble with arithmetic, let's help'em [01:32]
asciilifeform next, inverse-square law... [01:33]
decimation well, I assumed that the 'electromagnetic pulse weapon Poacher One' was not mounted on the j-20 aircraft [01:33]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you mean, "the angular projection of a 10 metre target 150 km away" ? [01:34]
asciilifeform aha [01:34]
* BingoBoingo kinda wants a Mig-25 [01:35]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 3600 / (150000**2*3.1415) [01:35]
gribble 5.09310838771e-08 [01:35]
mircea_popescu half a millionth. [01:35]
asciilifeform decimation: true, i have no idea where it was (if existed) [01:35]
asciilifeform assumed - on account of article - on plane. [01:35]
mircea_popescu s/mil/bil/ [01:35]
decimation asciilifeform: yeah that would seem silly [01:36]
asciilifeform decimation: why? because article claimed 'megawatt for minute'. if on ground, could carry on as long as you like at megawatt [01:36]
decimation yeah, I assumed the power would be lulzy for aircraft [01:36]
asciilifeform with mircea_popescu's genset trailer [01:36]
mircea_popescu a.... megawatt ? rly ? [01:36]
asciilifeform supercaps [01:36]
mircea_popescu gtfo, do you have ANY IDEA what the air looks like around your megawatt continuous laser ? [01:36]
mircea_popescu i can't be the only one that actually fired lasers. [01:37]
asciilifeform rayleigh scattering, yes. [01:37]
asciilifeform actually is the real limit to laser blaser. [01:37]
asciilifeform *blaster [01:37]
mircea_popescu how do the intended audience of these articles imagine stuff like plasma is made [01:37]
mircea_popescu http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Why_is_the_sky_blue.jpg [01:38]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AyJuL1 ) [01:38]
mircea_popescu splendid illustration btw [01:38]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-12-2014#951698 << obligatory. old emp thread [01:39]
assbot Logged on 12-12-2014 00:03:19; asciilifeform: chemically-powered emp bomb is one of those weapons that really fails basic physics, for almost any scenario, but the brass can't ever fall out of love with it [01:39]
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mircea_popescu moreover, iuf you need 1mw to kill a sat chip you have serious mental issues. [01:40]
mircea_popescu there's a monty python sketch about missile hunting mosquitoes. [01:40]
asciilifeform satellites don't run away, either [01:40]
* BingoBoingo imagines bowling with a MIG 25 [01:40]
mircea_popescu if this satellite is a ton of iron, a megawatt OVER A MINUTE will vaporize it. [01:40]
asciilifeform megawatt where. [01:40]
mircea_popescu it's 60mJ. [01:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform on it, supposdely. [01:41]
asciilifeform lol [01:41]
decimation nah if you want emp, you gotta nuke [01:41]
asciilifeform yes, it was thrown in a crucible, sure [01:41]
BingoBoingo Set up pins on a salt flat, attach 16lb ball to hardpoint. Fly and release [01:41]
herbijudlestoids haha! [01:42]
herbijudlestoids :D [01:42]
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BingoBoingo !up herbijudlestoids [01:42]
* assbot gives voice to herbijudlestoids [01:42]
herbijudlestoids hmm... [01:42]
herbijudlestoids i identified with gribble still no voice love [01:42]
mircea_popescu assbot. pm it !up [01:43]
BingoBoingo scoopbot -fetch [01:43]
herbijudlestoids ah. [01:43]
mircea_popescu in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/25c76cb8b51370dbf92cd1254513184d/tumblr_n54bvj7uDa1tt28juo1_500.gif [01:44]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AyKv5z ) [01:44]
mod6 thestringpuller: did you get the error message I told you about in getinfo? [ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2015#1017438 ] [01:45]
assbot Logged on 13-02-2015 15:33:22; mod6: youll know that you've hit the bad tx when you see an error in getinfo like this: "errors" : "WARNING: Displayed transactions may not be correct! You may need to upgrade, or other nodes may need to upgrade." [01:45]
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decimation asciilifeform: http://www.macrofab.net/ << supposedly will make dual layer board with ~50 parts for $57 in two weeks [01:45]
assbot MacroFab, Inc. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AyKI8N ) [01:45]
asciilifeform decimation: qty = ? [01:45]
decimation 1 [01:45]
mod6 if so, then yes, you hit the bad tx, and then you need to upgrade to openssl 1.0.1g to pass over it. [01:46]
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asciilifeform nre cost ? [01:46]
decimation but it's not clear if that's marketing spin or not, haven't tried [01:46]
decimation I guess it is rolled into the price of the whole thing [01:46]
decimation if you use their small selection of 'house parts' they do not charge a 'labor' fee [01:46]
asciilifeform ^ not terribly useful in my case [01:47]
decimation no, not really [01:47]
decimation I might give them a spin to see if they really exist [01:47]
BingoBoingo http://www.telegraphindia.com/1060502/asp/frontpage/story_6171245.asp [01:47]
assbot The Telegraph - Calcutta : Frontpage ... ( http://bit.ly/1vsKpGP ) [01:47]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: if you are fond of that machine, you can download the mig25 manuals stack... [01:49]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Have one somewhere [01:49]
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BingoBoingo !up Vexual [01:52]
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decimation asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3w_EWgGQuk < teardown and explanation of how lecroy 100 ghz oscopes work [01:54]
assbot Experiments and Teardown of the Teledyne LeCroy LabMaster 10-100zi 100GHz, 240GS/s Oscilloscope - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1vsL0bn ) [01:54]
asciilifeform decimation: lol, that thing rejects any 'eagle' board layout i offer it [01:54]
Vexual Hi all, herbi. [01:54]
asciilifeform decimation: iirc we did that scope here [01:54]
asciilifeform !s lecroy [01:54]
assbot 0 results for 'lecroy' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=lecroy [01:54]
decimation no we did a spectrum analyzer [01:54]
asciilifeform aha [01:55]
decimation from agilent [01:55]
decimation !s agilent [01:55]
assbot 23 results for 'agilent' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=agilent [01:55]
decimation and it didn't do 100 ghz [01:55]
asciilifeform gonna guess that it works the same way my chinese 200mHz one does [01:55]
asciilifeform staggered adc [01:55]
decimation that's special $1 mil bezzle [01:55]
asciilifeform big phat deal, the cost of three tow trucks. [01:55]
decimation asciilifeform: yes, but the real sauce is the sample-and-hold asic [01:55]
Vexual ascii that snatch sniffer might work just as well without the batteries if you get the thing close enough. [01:56]
asciilifeform not even clear to me that it's overpriced [01:56]
asciilifeform Vexual: wai wat ?! [01:56]
decimation the input coax is more-or-less directly attached to their custome asci [01:56]
decimation asciilifeform: no it isn't really, how many do you think they sell? 10? 100? [01:56]
BingoBoingo !b 5 [01:56]
assbot Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3CAM71A.txt ) [01:56]
decimation once you cross into > 10 GHz signals you start having to fork over real $$ for test equipment [01:58]
herbijudlestoids hey vex [01:58]
herbijudlestoids hey. [01:58]
herbijudlestoids wasnt there some command you used to be able to run.. [01:58]
herbijudlestoids !fap [01:58]
herbijudlestoids i dunno..something like that [01:58]
herbijudlestoids for porn [01:58]
herbijudlestoids i miss that. [01:58]
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mircea_popescu lol [02:00]
mircea_popescu so it pleases me to report that virtually all links from tlp to various learned repositories of articles are dead. [02:00]
mircea_popescu it's not been 10 years. [02:00]
mircea_popescu the web is fucking useless. [02:00]
herbijudlestoids yea wasnt vince cerf saying that as well recently? [02:01]
herbijudlestoids and i read a great article on archive.org about similar issue [02:01]
decimation mircea_popescu: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2952020/Will-21st-century-lost-history-Father-internet-warns-digital-world-lead-black-hole-knowledge.html [02:01]
assbot Print out your photos or risk losing them, warns Google boss | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1AyO8IK ) [02:01]
decimation "In centuries to come, future historians looking back on the current era could be confronted by a digital desert comparable with the dark ages - the post-Roman period in Western Europe about which relatively little is known because of the scarcity of written records. " [02:02]
herbijudlestoids yeah [02:02]
herbijudlestoids that one [02:02]
mircea_popescu fucking ridoinculous. [02:02]
decimation 'My name is Ozymandias, king of kings: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!' [02:02]
mircea_popescu well, fuck the world, trilema will survive. i guess the idea being that "winners write history". [02:02]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids http://38.media.tumblr.com/4cc8da8a80bcc144e2b7a0a239b5e4f2/tumblr_mt63fprr6m1ssof6ro1_250.gif there you go [02:03]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AyOtuZ ) [02:03]
mircea_popescu girl put her panties on correctly : over the garter. [02:03]
herbijudlestoids mesmerising [02:03]
herbijudlestoids i am really enjoying my freebsd hobby project, gives me opportunity to implement so many things that i have let go past because i didnt need it for work [02:05]
herbijudlestoids so far: squid, ldap, kerberos, djbdns, postfix, and today i finished setting up nginx and getting "A" score on the qualys ssl test [02:05]
herbijudlestoids next: https://github.com/nbs-system/naxsi [02:06]
assbot nbs-system/naxsi · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1vsMrGZ ) [02:06]
ben_vulpes well that was quite the refactor [02:07]
ben_vulpes i went heads down, next thing i know you asshats have crapped out 800 loglines [02:07]
ben_vulpes and an herbijudlestoids! [02:07]
herbijudlestoids hullo mr fox [02:07]
ben_vulpes ;;ident herbijudlestoids [02:07]
gribble Nick 'herbijudlestoids', with hostmask 'herbijudlestoids!~sina@c220-239-186-144.randw3.nsw.optusnet.com.au', is not identified. [02:07]
herbijudlestoids is so :( [02:07]
herbijudlestoids i just identified with you bastard bot [02:07]
ben_vulpes !gettrust assbot herbijudlestoids [02:08]
assbot Trust relationship from user assbot to user herbijudlestoids: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/herbijudlestoids | http://w.b-a.link/user/herbijudlestoids [02:08]
ben_vulpes ;;gettrust assbot herbijudlestoids [02:08]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user herbijudlestoids: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=herbijudlestoids | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=herbijudlestoids | Rated since: Fri Feb 14 01:33:49 2014 [02:08]
herbijudlestoids ;;ident herbijudlestoids [02:08]
gribble Nick 'herbijudlestoids', with hostmask 'herbijudlestoids!~sina@c220-239-186-144.randw3.nsw.optusnet.com.au', is identified as user 'herbijudlestoids', with GPG key id CA8F764D7A6DC051, key fingerprint 7BFEED118C1BD7FA160C7780CA8F764D7A6DC051, and bitcoin address None [02:09]
herbijudlestoids yeah. damn u. [02:09]
ben_vulpes ok ok [02:09]
herbijudlestoids i guess i should stop using my home computer to connect here and start using this freebsd node [02:09]
herbijudlestoids brb. [02:09]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=711276 << this you'll appreciate. grep for "Doctor_Why_Bother" [02:10]
assbot Does Anyone Read "The Last Psychiatrist"? - Straight Dope Message Board ... ( http://bit.ly/1vsMSAY ) [02:10]
ben_vulpes !up Vexual [02:12]
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ben_vulpes srsly, whoever asked that, read the damn thing << for those blessedly uncontaminated with "c machine" constructs, it's hard to tell where the "c++" leaves off and the "boost" begins. it's clear that it's used in every for loop (c++ doesn't have iteration constructs?!), but the question if you didn't read closely enough was "why bother?" not "should one?" [02:14]
decimation mircea_popescu: that's a lulzy exchange. the doctor_why_bother guy is a living example of 'he misses the forest for the tiny sapling' [02:15]
mircea_popescu more generally, of dunning-kruger [02:15]
mircea_popescu people thinkg that effect only shows up in idiots, and so not in them. which of course is the very point. [02:16]
mircea_popescu but in fact, the moderately stupid are just as handicapped understanding why they aren't smarter as very smart people are, understanding THE SAME THING (ie, why they aren't smarter). [02:16]
ben_vulpes it's funny/sad how parenting reverses over time << oh this is great news you mean i have to take care of both ends? great. [02:17]
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decimation it's like watching a cripple trip on a bump, adjacent to which is a sign that says "attention cripples: do not trip on this bump" [02:18]
mircea_popescu your average doobie, with a mediocre college degree and an ESL culture mostly geared towards ingested summaries is perfectly unable to decode metaphor or recognise complex enough patterns and fill in the gaps. this to him is frustrating, and the frustration is predictably resolved by lashing out (hey, it's the guy fault for using rferences i have to google and math i don't grok!11). in no way better than a clinical mor [02:18]
mircea_popescu on angry at people who can write. [02:18]
thestringpuller mod6: ben_vulpes it got past the wedge [02:19]
mircea_popescu for that matter, my "which of course is the very point" above is also "not very clear", in the sense that if one isn't particularly bright, the recursion of "what dk says is that people think they're better than they are" is not immediately glob'd into the expression. [02:20]
mircea_popescu for that matter, if one doesn't have the culture to know that glob's a verb, the above is also "a very bad argument" .and so on. [02:20]
asciilifeform decimation: 'macrofab' << i worked through an entire board. [02:20]
asciilifeform decimation: it's a piece of shit [02:20]
asciilifeform decimation: loses xy coords for -all- parts [02:20]
decimation asciilifeform: lol thanks for jumping on that [02:21]
decimation but ascii, it's in 'beta' [02:21]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes : take the bright side of life. "not liking kids is not a valid reason to not have any - you'll be stuck with some anyway." [02:21]
asciilifeform decimation: and demands weird gerber layers that i haven't got [02:21]
asciilifeform what a fucking waste of hour [02:21]
asciilifeform cranked through all the parts substitutions crap [02:21]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform stop wasting your hours! you're a process man, you belong to s.nsa now! [02:21]
decimation my understanding is that you are required to manually place the parts [02:21]
thestringpuller "blocks" : 164713 [02:21]
decimation in a 'mechanical turk' fashion [02:21]
asciilifeform (for what? rng. small board, nothing secret therein. yes, motherfucker has my gerbers now) [02:22]
asciilifeform decimation: semi-automatic turk [02:22]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: it gets worse. some even work for me. [02:22]
decimation asciilifeform: did you use eagle? [02:22]
asciilifeform aha [02:22]
decimation I might try kicad to see what it does [02:22]
asciilifeform did try it [02:22]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes so do mine. but at least a) i actually fuck them and b) i don't take them without a significant prior investment from other people. [02:22]
asciilifeform and even took a month last year - learned geda [02:22]
decimation there's another similar vendor https://circuithub.com/ << supposedly they actually deliever [02:23]
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assbot CircuitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1vsOfzL ) [02:23]
asciilifeform geda is great in every way except for being terminally buggy and the fill polygons fell apart [02:23]
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asciilifeform kikad is unusable on linux (on every box i own) - gui redraw bug [02:23]
decimation asciilifeform: I find kicad amusing - when you go to download they have a little description begging not to download the 'old stable' version [02:23]
asciilifeform and, even were this fixed, its autorouter is dumb as rocks [02:23]
ben_vulpes sage words [02:23]
ben_vulpes next career [02:23]
mircea_popescu decimation why not ? [02:24]
asciilifeform decimation: circuithub << wait, lol!!! >> 'In order to upload your first project, please create or link a Dropbox account.' [02:25]
decimation because apparently all their new 'features' are in the new 'unstable testing' version [02:25]
asciilifeform wtf ? [02:25]
decimation asciilifeform: hehe yeah I wondered when you were to walk into that [02:25]
decimation they promise that they won't mistreat your data [02:25]
asciilifeform i assume they will all 'mistreat the data' [02:26]
asciilifeform but why force user to use turd service ? [02:26]
decimation I guess because they can't write an http uploader that works? [02:26]
* asciilifeform even more disappointed than expected to be [02:26]
decimation asciilifeform, what do you expect from 'hardware startup' chumpatronics? [02:26]
* asciilifeform does not expect to find one of these things that works for any reasonable value of 'works', because the economics of it are not, to put it very gently, favourable [02:27]
decimation supposedly the macrolabs people 'make the economics work' by queuing up all the jobs onto a giant panel [02:27]
asciilifeform i could live, for example, with an outfit that would crap out the board and place just the passives (then i xray the damn thing here. and place the actives personally) [02:27]
decimation I'm not sure how they 'make it up on volume' if they have to hand place parts on the whole thing [02:28]
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asciilifeform but i could also live with a pill that propels me on morning commute by enabling me to fart ponies [02:28]
decimation pony-farts would be a fairly good way of navigating the dc traffic jams [02:28]
decimation apparently the kicad-pcb.org page is dead [02:29]
asciilifeform !s a horse splashes [02:29]
assbot 0 results for 'a horse splashes' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=a+horse+splashes [02:29]
asciilifeform ;;google a horse splashes [02:29]
gribble Haldane, On Being the Right Size: ; .. a man is broken, a horse splashes - Physics Forums: ; On Being The Right Size (Hollywood edition). | The Inverse Square ...: [02:29]
asciilifeform 'You can drop a mouse down a thousand-yard mine shaft; and, on arriving at the bottom, it gets a slight shock and walks away, provided that the ground is fairly soft. A rat is killed, a man is broken, a horse splashes.' [02:30]
mircea_popescu ^ [02:30]
mircea_popescu great quote [02:30]
asciilifeform famous essay [02:30]
asciilifeform decimation: -everybody- queues the jobs into conveyor-width panels. [02:33]
asciilifeform decimation: the boojum lies in the nre costs, typically (largely paste stencils, but not only) [02:34]
asciilifeform decimation: also there is no small amount of actual human labour involved in the process. [02:34]
decimation I suspect they are using one of those 'ink jet' solder paste printers [02:35]
asciilifeform decimation: those trade nre for a vastly higher cost per board [02:36]
asciilifeform the nozzles (disposable, golden toilet) clog, etc. [02:36]
asciilifeform and crap slowly. [02:36]
asciilifeform somebody has to watch it go [02:36]
asciilifeform etc. [02:36]
decimation asciilifeform: if they are truly able to deliver at the prices they quote on the 'demo', it seems likely that they are 'debt funding' [02:37]
asciilifeform who? [02:37]
decimation the macrolabs people [02:37]
asciilifeform circuithub ? [02:37]
asciilifeform ah [02:37]
asciilifeform nah, i think i figured it out [02:37]
asciilifeform assuming the thing isn't simply a blackhole for money, [02:37]
asciilifeform (actually ships something) [02:38]
asciilifeform they make up the difference by nickel'n'diming the chump for the 'out of house' parts [02:38]
ben_vulpes [] deployment tools, config mgmt, automated service discovery etc << /me is tres jelly [02:38]
asciilifeform e.g., $1.50 to place each 15c resistor they refused to stock [02:38]
decimation yes, I couldn't find any mention of the costs of 'non-house' parts [02:38]
asciilifeform ^ yes, per unit [02:38]
asciilifeform clever chumpamatic [02:38]
asciilifeform decimation: you have to crap in an actual project to learn the costs [02:38]
decimation nor a catalog of parts that 'can be had for a price' [02:38]
asciilifeform it lets you fidget with the selections [02:39]
decimation ah, I will upload something and see what I can do [02:39]
asciilifeform their selection is, i'd say, rather spotty [02:39]
asciilifeform e.g., no 47K 0805 resistor of any grade [02:39]
decimation yes their house passive selection is very limited [02:39]
decimation and their non-passive even more so [02:40]
asciilifeform as for actives, virtually none to be had. [02:40]
asciilifeform in short, i am presently at a loss as to what this is good for, how, and why... [02:41]
decimation it will be interesting to see if this 'service' continues to exist for a period of time, and if so, how it matures [02:41]
thestringpuller decimation: isn't there a super speeder law in VA and MD because people drive so terribly in DC? [02:42]
asciilifeform as i understand, it is severely antieconomic and cannot really go anywhere [02:42]
decimation thestringpuller: in VA if you are speeding 15 mph over the limit it can be considered 'wreckless' [02:42]
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asciilifeform that alone would not doom it - consider the world of usg - but the onesie-pcb-assembly business doesn't have the makings of a mass popu-chumpatron [02:43]
asciilifeform reckless? [02:43]
decimation yeah reckless [02:45]
decimation I guess wreckless would be safe driving :) [02:46]
decimation asciilifeform: I think they have the nub of a good idea, having all the steps in manufacturing clearly brought out in one spot [02:47]
decimation the execution might not be there though [02:47]
decimation ah no it's 20 mph in VA http://www.bobbattlelaw.com/faqs/what-is-considered-reckless-driving-speeding-in-virginia.cfm [02:47]
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ben_vulpes i got a reckless driving charge one time. [02:48]
ben_vulpes ticket was officially for 60 in a 30. [02:49]
decimation ben_vulpes: did they try to send you to jail? [02:49]
ben_vulpes iirc, i hit 70. [02:49]
ben_vulpes lol in portland? [02:49]
decimation you guys have a loud n' proud bisexual governor now [02:50]
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ben_vulpes there's always something silly happening in the backwaters [02:51]
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decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2015#965039 < mircea_popescu apparently amex was too fucktarded to keep costco as a client [02:52]
assbot Logged on 04-01-2015 22:07:08; mircea_popescu: decimation: re: costco & amex << I suspect amex gives costco a deal (pays them) to force a large percentage of the upper-crust customer-base to have an amex card in their wallet << pretty much how that racket goes yes. [02:52]
decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2015#965039 < mircea_popescu apparently amex was too fucktarded to keep costco as a client http://fortune.com/2015/02/12/amex-costco-dumps-cards/ [02:53]
assbot Logged on 04-01-2015 22:07:08; mircea_popescu: decimation: re: costco & amex << I suspect amex gives costco a deal (pays them) to force a large percentage of the upper-crust customer-base to have an amex card in their wallet << pretty much how that racket goes yes. [02:53]
assbot AmEx shares plunge as Costco dumps its credit cards - Fortune ... ( http://bit.ly/1vsR8R0 ) [02:53]
decimation sorry for the dup [02:53]
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punkman http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn26968-telescopic-contact-lenses-let-you-zoom-in-on-demand.html [03:03]
assbot Telescopic contact lenses let you zoom in on demand - tech - 13 February 2015 - New Scientist ... ( http://bit.ly/1AlAMkB ) [03:03]
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punkman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-02-2015#1017753 << I was more wondering how much cruft we'll need for that. [03:23]
assbot Logged on 14-02-2015 00:20:24; BingoBoingo: punkman: if we replace openssl with libressl or whatever, how do we verify all the buggy data generated by 7 different openssl versions? << For the time being... empirically. There a set with six year's worth a data to test against by syncing. [03:23]
punkman could just keep the checkpoint stuff though, and not verify all the ecdsa signatures. [03:24]
punkman (I'll mention again that if you let VerifySignature run on all tx's, it blows up much sooner than block 168000) [03:27]
mircea_popescu decimation ouch, amex kinda set to go out of biz huh. [03:28]
mircea_popescu the obvious effect of "keynesian" money pumping is bubbles, but that's not the worst effect. [03:28]
mircea_popescu the worst effect is that everything forms monopolies. in a physics intuitive approach, what QE does is basically increase the superficial tension. this forces bubbles to merge. [03:29]
mircea_popescu in another perspective, qe is an abdication of monetarty sovereignty. sovereignity is a fixed sum, so it just moves in other parts of the system - monopolies form. [03:30]
mircea_popescu but in any case, however you explain it on the "micro" basis : competition and central control are mutually contradictory. much like anabolic and catabolic processes. [03:31]
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decimation yes, the us today is more-or-less dominated by centralized megabusiness [03:31]
decimation because 'must grow big to get a seat at the table where they hand out bezzlars' [03:32]
punkman decimation: just the US? [03:32]
decimation punkman: aren't you in france? [03:32]
mircea_popescu greece. [03:33]
decimation the eu has their own version [03:33]
mircea_popescu decimation it's not even that, it's just... the *meaning* of money changes. [03:33]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Amex is fine. They partnered with Walmart for poor people ATM cards [03:33]
mircea_popescu they're getting bought out [03:34]
decimation the 'meaning of money' seems to have a scale from 'tool to settle private debts' to 'note from stalin' [03:34]
asciilifeform old hat. east india company ran as much on the latter as the former [03:35]
decimation http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-12/amex-grip-on-wealthy-consumers-seen-slipping-as-rivals-take-bite [03:35]
assbot AmEx Grip on Wealthy Consumers Seen Slipping as Rivals Take Bite - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1KVxGn4 ) [03:35]
decimation "Chief Executive Officer Ken Chenault, 63, has introduced new products aimed at younger and less-affluent customers as AmEx seeks to broaden its appeal. The lender is working with companies including Uber Technologies Inc. and Apple Inc. to expand mobile payments, and courted Americans who lack access to traditional banks with products like its Bluebird prepaid card, offered at Wal-Mart Stores Inc." [03:36]
asciilifeform decimation: this is a pretty standard dynamic of 'leningrad siege, no coal, let's burn the sofa' [03:36]
decimation wtf, when did it ever make sense as a creditor to make enemies with those who had money in order to court those who don't? [03:36]
decimation yeah it seems that way [03:37]
asciilifeform they cash in their 'brand' for chump massification [03:37]
asciilifeform (what is the 'added value' of a prepay spamcard with 'amex' logo? solely the psychological tie with 'rich') [03:37]
decimation kinda like how 'hp' now brands chumper printer cartridges, instead of quality reliable test equipment [03:38]
mircea_popescu https://flpics1.a.ssl.fastly.net/4232/4232146/00050edc-db76-1a9e-3e51-e2d153eb422d_720.jpg [03:39]
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asciilifeform decimation: hp's been branding chumpcartridges since '90s [03:40]
mircea_popescu decimation the ones who "don't" are more valuable as bezzle access. the ones who "do" really don't. [03:40]
asciilifeform that's not the news, but that they stopped doing anything else. like the illusory growth of a corpse's beard [03:40]
mircea_popescu ie, boa was "too big to fail" because it held a lot of mortgages of people WHO COULDNT PAY FOR THEM. [03:40]
mircea_popescu meanwhile jpm was NOT tbtf, because it held a lot of money from people who had money, so it could you knoiw, just steal that, [03:40]
mircea_popescu so it didn't need govt money. [03:41]
mircea_popescu it quickly becomes perverse, the game of "let's have government in the market" [03:41]
decimation yeah there is no escape [03:42]
mircea_popescu by now a "we hold 100mn chumps, who pay us 0, give us usd" is a better revenue source than "we have 1mn people paying us 1k a year each" [03:42]
mircea_popescu as proven by, for instance, whatsdumb. [03:42]
decimation a dark force dissolves every economic decision into a sjw forum [03:43]
mircea_popescu well this is the problem, you know ? once you decide to try nuclear detonations in your livingroom you can no longer have "fresh milk" [03:43]
asciilifeform folks stupid enough to try (1) will proceed to (2) [03:44]
asciilifeform like clockwork. [03:44]
BingoBoingo Strontium makes bones strong and genes novel [03:44]
mircea_popescu lol [03:45]
decimation !b 8 [03:45]
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mircea_popescu https://flpics0.a.ssl.fastly.net/1728/1728220/00050ef8-c44d-8b6c-90b3-6472a2bbc7d8_720.jpg << now this is some hardcore lightsabering. [03:52]
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Vexual ;;laserkittens [03:53]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: isn't it odd that engl. doesn't (afaik) have a word for блат - that other capital that u.s. economy actually runs on today, as discussed above [04:01]
mircea_popescu blat ? ahahaha [04:02]
asciilifeform (roughly might translate as 'pull' or 'crown concession' but not quite) [04:02]
mircea_popescu it's a quite respectable romanian word. [04:02]
mircea_popescu ;;google ce inseamna sa faci un blat ? [04:02]
gribble Reţetă blat de pizza | RETETE | prajituri | mancare | BarbatLaCratita: ; Cum se face aluatul de pizza pufos, crocant? | Pofta Buna!: ; Pizza Traditionala Italiana | Retete culinare Laura Adamache: [04:02]
asciilifeform call it 'fapital' perhaps [04:02]
asciilifeform or crapital [04:02]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it's more or less universal in the slavic and bordering cultures, afaik. and other orcish nations (cn) have own word that is closely analogous [04:03]
mircea_popescu (in romanian it means, literally, the dough part of a pizza or a cake) [04:03]
asciilifeform 'guanxi' in cn, iirc [04:04]
Vexual Whaa? [04:04]
Vexual Ascii you're picking up Chinese? [04:05]
asciilifeform Vexual: one unavoidably picks up various things, like the strontium from earlier thread [04:06]
asciilifeform http://i.imgur.com/I9Y4Leo.jpg << unrelated vintage lulz [04:08]
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Vexual So many dialects in China. [04:08]
asciilifeform ^ the incident itself is quite famous, but i somehow escaped knowing that the detailed reversing of the bug was made public [04:09]
asciilifeform likewise mentioned is the fact that the bug was deliberately set to overlap with freq. of a local tv station. [04:10]
asciilifeform (sacrifice range, gain - the obvious) [04:10]
Vexual Lol [04:11]
asciilifeform the typewriter case is interesting, from a history of usg point of view, because it appears to be the turning point for nsa [04:12]
asciilifeform that is, when their present direction was decided on. [04:12]
asciilifeform (turned, that is, from traditional signal-gathering to sabotage, cribbed, yes, from ru) [04:13]
mircea_popescu sabotage ? looks more like judy. [04:13]
mircea_popescu as in, punch and judy [04:13]
mircea_popescu the principal job of the nsa since about the 2010s is to be publicly and outrageously humiliated. [04:14]
asciilifeform if there is evidence of usg crafting functioning but diddled parts for a mass-produced machine, slipping'em in, etc. prior to this cribbing, i for one do not know of it [04:14]
asciilifeform a 'f-student' who cribs what he sees as 'good idea' becomes immediately obsessed with it [04:14]
asciilifeform to the point of utter laughability [04:15]
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mircea_popescu this shit's seriously a lot mopre trouble than it's worth. [12:16]
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danielpbarron so uh.. it comes as little suprise to me that my pogo using a solid state drive is significantly faster than the one using a regular laptop hard drive [12:25]
mircea_popescu it just won't last as long. [12:25]
danielpbarron i suspected harddrive read/write was the bottleneck back when i was building my first full node [12:25]
danielpbarron also, i have sucessully re-installed the OS on one of them multiple times; it is possible to screw up the install and recover from it without any major disassembly required [12:28]
danielpbarron you can just put a blank flash drive in the top usb port with an empty directory 'revert' and the thing boots up factory default [12:29]
danielpbarron and if it sees such a drive, it won't try to boot from the attached sata drive; so you can then fdisk as needed [12:30]
mircea_popescu pretty great find this [12:30]
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mircea_popescu ;;seen trinque [12:37]
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mircea_popescu im gonna have to make another div payment set without a deed registrar aren't i. [12:37]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell trinque YO! deedbot! [12:37]
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BingoBoingo Oh, hearn has his own shadow implementation -XT!!! https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vveeq/using_mike_hearns_bitcoin_xt_instead_of_bitcoin/ [12:37]
assbot Using Mike Hearn's Bitcoin XT instead of Bitcoin Core as full node took just a couple of minutes. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8NZ0y ) [12:37]
mircea_popescu lol [12:37]
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BingoBoingo Only advertises offering 2 new unfeatures [12:38]
mircea_popescu "It seems to be a way to extend and patch thee Bitcoin network without waiting on slow Bitcoin Core improvements." [12:39]
mircea_popescu it seems there's some worms more eager than some others in the government biscuit. [12:39]
BingoBoingo ;;later tell ben_vulpes mod6 http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2015/02/14/notes-on-building-bitcoin-qt-on-openbsd/ for when you get to porting maybe some notes might be useful [12:39]
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assbot Notes on Building Bitcoin-qt on OpenBSD | Bingo Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8OpEk ) [12:39]
mircea_popescu cazalla: more lulzy shit at http://www.canadianbusiness.com << all these biogas precursors are in for a rude awakening. at some point they'll discover that while I have the power to make something a problem by calling it a problem, they do not (any more). [12:41]
assbot Canadian Business - Your source for market news, investing, technology, economy and Canadian industry ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8ON5G ) [12:41]
mircea_popescu boy that'll suck. [12:41]
mircea_popescu cazalla: http://i.imgur.com/yW8gIft.jpg << ahgahaah wtf! [12:42]
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BingoBoingo https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vveeq/using_mike_hearns_bitcoin_xt_instead_of_bitcoin/colaexv [12:50]
assbot ButterNubber comments on Using Mike Hearn's Bitcoin XT instead of Bitcoin Core as full node took just a couple of minutes. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Eba8Z6 ) [12:50]
BingoBoingo " [12:54]
BingoBoingo The point of this project is to provide a full node that has an explicit goal of supporting the needs of SPV app developers, as well as a place to try out more experimental changes in general. Through the course of 2013 I feel that the upstream Bitcoin Core project has become a relatively unpredictable place and I no longer feel sure that we can improve SPV mode or even that they will continue to support it at all. Bitcoin XT will [12:54]
BingoBoingo always support SPV wallets." https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/bitcoinj/Y9ZOOmfJHuc [12:54]
assbot Google Discussiegroepen ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8RVOV ) [12:54]
mircea_popescu heh k. [12:56]
BingoBoingo Bitcoin Core upredictable, Let's make it more so [12:57]
mircea_popescu you don't understand how the world works. [12:59]
thestringpuller you are just oppressing my wood chipper rights! [13:00]
thestringpuller !l m s.qntr [13:07]
assbot Last trade for S.QNTR on MPEX was at 0.00025459 BTC [+] [13:07]
thestringpuller !t m s.qntr [13:07]
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BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/02/psuedonode-proxy-fools-bitcoin-full-node-incentive-program/ [13:15]
assbot PsuedoNode Proxy Fools Bitcoin Full Node Incentive Program | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8WCZ6 ) [13:15]
mircea_popescu lol awww. [13:16]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo invite basil00 over eh. [13:16]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Dunno him, thestringpuller wrote that up and sourced it [13:17]
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thestringpuller all i have is his github and reddit usernames [13:17]
thestringpuller i can send him pm in reddit [13:18]
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thestringpuller sent [13:21]
mircea_popescu cool [13:21]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: you can just put a blank flash drive in the top usb port with an empty directory 'revert' and the thing boots up factory default << this is not a feature of the machine, but of the modified 'uboot' installed by the script you used. [13:28]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: what's more, this is guaranteed not to happen on the final box, because we'll actually use the 128M eeprom for the os. [13:29]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: (your setup - doesn't) [13:29]
danielpbarron ah, i had a feeling that was the case [13:30]
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danielpbarron i hope you guys aren't relying solely on me to achieve those ends; a lot of this is totally new territory for me [13:31]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: pseudonode << mega-lol! >> 'Otherwise, if PseudoNode can connect to at least some good nodes (default 2), then will PseudoNode will acts just like a normal node and contributes network bandwidth.' << 'contributes bandwidth' !?!?!? [13:31]
asciilifeform eats - yes [13:31]
asciilifeform contributes ? [13:31]
BingoBoingo no contribution without verification [13:32]
asciilifeform the only thing it can do is add delay - and, potentially, diddle (you connect, thinking it was a node, but really this) [13:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5949 @ 0.00042807 = 2.5466 BTC [-] [13:38]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [13:42]
BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats [13:42]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 248.64, vol: 16328.91254348 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 245.993, vol: 16418.1363 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 248.8, vol: 60076.29357212 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 247.216263, vol: 273739.29310000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 245.0, vol: 32.86977983 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 235.82995, vol: 149.97156036 | Volume-weighted last average: 247.479467217 [13:42]
gribble Current Blocks: 343467 | Current Difficulty: 4.44554159623438E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 344735 | Next Difficulty In: 1268 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 19 hours, 51 minutes, and 6 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 45854879064.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.14801 [13:42]
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thestringpuller scoopbot on da fritz [13:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.0004143 = 3.4801 BTC [-] [13:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26388 @ 0.00041305 = 10.8996 BTC [-] {2} [13:52]
BingoBoingo http://blog.thinkst.com/p/if-nsa-has-been-hacking-everything-how.html?m=1 [13:52]
assbot thinkst Thoughts...: If the NSA has been hacking everything, how has nobody seen them coming? ... ( http://bit.ly/1BbnTcG ) [13:52]
asciilifeform aha, 'nobody.' [13:53]
kakobrekla more tracking http://pressreleases.visa.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=215693&p=irol-newsarticlePR&ID=2016148 [13:53]
assbot Press Release | Visa Corporate | Visa Inc. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bbo2wQ ) [13:53]
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asciilifeform 'and the the word "implant" was almost never used in security circles' << usually called 'bug' (in the 'room is bugged' sense) outside of usg [13:55]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: "Thanks, but unfortunately it is already late in my part of the world. Perhaps send any questions via email and I'll try to respond in ~10hours (after sleep). Email: basil@reqrypt.org" [13:55]
BingoBoingo thestringpuller: Really, just dropping a plaintext email address in IRC for spamzors to pick up? [13:58]
thestringpuller ~_~ never again [14:01]
Adlai bitcoin inflation subsidizes the operation of the world's most energy inefficient clock [14:07]
Adlai and it's quite imprecise, too [14:07]
kakobrekla clock is scam [14:08]
kakobrekla time is arbitrary [14:08]
mircea_popescu there's no way to express bitcoin in fiat terms. it's not "a clock", because the meaning of "a clock" does not carry in bitcoin. yes it divides time, but differently in fundamental ways. [14:16]
mircea_popescu "energy efficiency" is not a bitcoin consideration. all energy used for non-bitcoin stuff is wasted by definition, in the bitcoin paradigm. [14:16]
mircea_popescu etc etc. [14:16]
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kakobrekla somehow i missed this also https://static.slo-tech.com/63610.jpg [14:18]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1CsAUMU ) [14:18]
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mircea_popescu heh. who even wants these new derpy tvs [14:32]
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mircea_popescu i suppose the next step is, "participate in derpland has talent with your tv set!" and hopefully that'll relieve us of most of the current imbeciles online. [14:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36119 @ 0.00039193 = 14.1561 BTC [-] {2} [14:35]
Adlai mircea_popescu: _all_ energy, or the delta between current mining energy use, and half the planet's total energy expenditure? [14:45]
Adlai the economics change once unutilized energy is insufficient to attack the network [14:46]
mircea_popescu unrelated datapoints. half energy available eing used to mine bitcoin makes bitcoin safe for humans (safe in the sense of, won't be overrun by the altcoin problem) [14:46]
* Adlai suspects; take everything he says with the usual shaker of salt [14:46]
mircea_popescu as far as bitcoin is concerned, there's no point to energy other than mining. [14:46]
Adlai signing transactions takes a bit of energy, and without fees from signed transactions, there's no point to mining [14:46]
mircea_popescu no point in mining FOR HUMANS. [14:47]
Adlai ? [14:47]
mircea_popescu gotta compartimentalize the povs. [14:47]
Adlai ok, i see [14:47]
Adlai still, i'm not sure that there's a rational incentive to add energy to mining activity once X% of the planet's energy expenditure is dedicated to mining [14:48]
Adlai i guess it would depend on the profitability, which starts getting outside the scope of bitcoin itself [14:48]
mircea_popescu is there a rational incentive to continue adding man-hours to women's studies ? [14:50]
mircea_popescu rational incentives don't enter into it. as far as derpy social studies types are concerned, all effort available should go into that. [14:50]
mircea_popescu the difference is that they enforce this through statal redistribution, which lives out of a hole in public choice theory, [14:51]
* Adlai finds himself again bringing up kahneman, who talks about "humans" vs "econs", the latter describing the rational agents of economic theory, which don't actually exist on this planet [14:51]
mircea_popescu whereas bitcoin enforces this through the nature of money. [14:51]
mircea_popescu which will crumble in contact with the other is kinda obvious. [14:51]
mircea_popescu o yes they do. the "humans" don't exist. [14:51]
Adlai ? [14:52]
mircea_popescu a whiteknight is not a person. it's a manifestation of particular pathologies empowered by particular economic imbalances. [14:52]
mircea_popescu these always revert to the mean. [14:52]
Adlai i guess we just have different definitions of the word "human". mine is preceded with a huge "only". [14:52]
mircea_popescu hm ? [14:53]
* Adlai next cites his dog's vet's tatoo, or at least the one he remembers: "humanity is overrated" [14:53]
mircea_popescu it's simple : inasmuch as your definition of "human" difers from "econ", it doesn't exist. [14:53]
mircea_popescu just like whatever in your definition of "human" differs from human biology is not objective but metaphysical. [14:54]
Adlai dunno, it makes perfect sense to me that computers produced by an evolutionary process would be far from perfect [14:54]
mircea_popescu sure. [14:54]
Adlai so "econs" are these mythical perfectly rational agents, and "humans" are these neurological shitshows full of neuroses and emotions that rarely act rationally. sure, some humans act quite rationally, but they're the exception. [14:54]
mircea_popescu if this is how you redefine your humans, i will change "don't exist" to "don't matter". [14:55]
Adlai sure. mattering is like driving skill... most datapoints think they're on the opposite side of the curve [14:56]
mircea_popescu (ie, "can't carry meaning". just like the foregoing it's also logically necessary, no debate possible. it flows from what you're saying, which is essentially "humans are noise". sure. but noise doesn't really matter. like brownian motion.) [14:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00040355 = 9.4027 BTC [+] [14:59]
Adlai dunno, nature can still matter, even if individual snowflakes in an avalanche or looters in a mob, could be removed without significantly affecting the whole. i choose the mob analogy purposefully, because these effects are rarely (ever?) constructive... construction seems to take either "superhuman" capacity (and effort), or enough time for differential reproductive fitness to do its thing [15:01]
mircea_popescu but that "nature" === "econ" [15:01]
Adlai [15:02]
mircea_popescu notrly. [15:02]
Adlai i'm not convinced that "nature" as a whole can be considered an "econ" [15:03]
mircea_popescu just, 'no particular inclination to gaze upon chtulhu' [15:03]
mircea_popescu but review the definitions :) [15:03]
Adlai it's definitely something else, not "human" - but does it act in its own rational self interest? i'm not sure the concept of "self interest" is meaningful when you're talking about "nature" [15:03]
Adlai cf "the planet is fine, the people are fucked" [15:03]
Adlai i won't dispute that nature computes. [15:04]
mircea_popescu "the planet is fine, the people are fucked" is what people say when they can't digest the obvious "if you could understand more, you could understand more" [15:04]
Adlai do you know the source? [15:05]
mircea_popescu the planet is fine. "the people" are fine. you are stupid, and your friends ridiculous. [15:05]
mircea_popescu carlin neh ? [15:05]
Adlai it's carlin on environmentalism, yes [15:05]
mircea_popescu right. [15:05]
mircea_popescu he doesn't mean the people = "the people". he means the people = your friends. [15:06]
Adlai the tl;dr is that "saving the environment" is silly because the environment exists with or without its "savers", and that the real meaning behind "saving the environment" is "keeping this environment as hospitable as possible to us" [15:06]
* Adlai has no friends [15:06]
mircea_popescu more like, "saving the environment" is just as silly as any one thing a bunch of useless, stupid and ignorant entities that only exist because nobody ground uncle sam into the ground yet could ever do. [15:07]
Adlai and now, for something completely different! [15:08]
mircea_popescu think "occupywallstreet" or "feminism" or w/e. "the luxor center for businessmen". these collections don't actually do anything, it's not unlike a coral discussing which way to undulate for saving the whales. [15:08]
Adlai when you designed mpex's 'quantum' matching engine, did you consider proposals of the "frequent batch auction" persuasion? i have no stake in this idea, just collecting opinions on it, as i form my own [15:08]
mircea_popescu very little about mpex has been publicly discussed. [15:09]
Adlai sure, but "frequent batch auction" has been published about a few times [15:09]
Adlai http://view.samurajdata.se/psview.php?id=8b6cbe2c&page=1 [15:09]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mm6i5k ) [15:09]
mircea_popescu good fer it i guess. [15:10]
Adlai the actual paper, if anybody is interested in more than a slideshow, is http://view.samurajdata.se/psview.php?id=271992c2&page=1 [15:10]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mm6q4B ) [15:10]
Adlai mircea_popescu: i'll take that as a "haven't heard/cared about it", which is still a datapoint [15:10]
mircea_popescu lol kay. [15:11]
* Adlai had heard the buzzword, hadn't bothered to actually read about it until now [15:11]
mircea_popescu maybe better take it as "this man won't give me for free stuff that people might get if they pay upwards of six figures in fees. my feeble attempts to defeat his defences through 9yo discoursive tactics are probably going to fare about as well as 9yos generally fare against multi million dollar concerns." [15:12]
Adlai it's an interesting idea, although i must say that - as i understand it without having read the entire paper - it's too deterministic for my tastes. i kinda like the idea of deliberately random behavior. [15:12]
Adlai lol kay. [15:13]
mircea_popescu but in other news, https://flpics2.a.ssl.fastly.net/2066/2066340/00050dbb-17e7-9554-ef52-cc5731d655ac_720.jpg [15:13]
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mircea_popescu !up ruin_dpbs_life [15:15]
-assbot- You voiced ruin_dpbs_life for 30 minutes. [15:15]
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ruin_dpbs_life danielpbarron: you're a dead man i'm going to fucking do whatever it takes to hurt you [15:15]
mircea_popescu ... [15:15]
ruin_dpbs_life enjoy going to jail with your terror cel [15:15]
ruin_dpbs_life mircea_popescu: you do business wiht dpb i'll get the police in volved [15:15]
mircea_popescu aha ? [15:16]
mircea_popescu which police is this ? [15:16]
mircea_popescu awww he got flooded did he ?! [15:17]
danielpbarron !rated xanthyos [15:17]
assbot You rated user xanthyos on 08-Oct-2014, with a rating of -5, and supplied these additional notes: met in '04; he depends on government subsidies and will side with the USG in order to maintain his leech lifestyle.. [15:17]
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* Adlai was just discussing death threats yesterday... they are as effective against humans as they are ineffective against superhumans [15:18]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell ruin_dpbs_life Guilford, Connecticut << it's probably a decent idea to not go throwing around threats off your home ip. [15:18]
gribble The operation succeeded. [15:18]
danielpbarron he's also throwing them through his phone number [15:19]
mircea_popescu are you two ex lovers or something ? [15:19]
danielpbarron hah no [15:19]
danielpbarron but we go way back [15:19]
Adlai i mean, if he's asking to get the police involved, don't they love responding to death threats? [15:19]
Adlai [for police values of "love"] [15:20]
mircea_popescu well technically this was more in the vein of horrible maiming and dismemberment threats. [15:20]
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mircea_popescu lmao he got flooded. imagine the rage. [15:20]
Adlai dunno officer, "you're a dead man" seemed quite clear to me [15:20]
mircea_popescu o there's that too. well... it's a fair cop... [15:20]
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mircea_popescu !up benjamindees [15:25]
-assbot- You voiced benjamindees for 30 minutes. [15:25]
* assbot gives voice to benjamindees [15:25]
benjamindees it's my understanding that you all are generally in favor of sidechains? [15:25]
Adlai yours would be a Miss Understanding. [15:26]
benjamindees so you are generally opposed to sidechains? [15:26]
mircea_popescu there's really no substitute for reading the logs. [15:27]
Adlai no, i feel rather ignorant of them. i understand the technical description in the paper, but haven't given it enough thought to be for or against. i can't speak for other people in this channel. [15:27]
Adlai !s sidechains [15:27]
assbot 22 results for 'sidechains' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sidechains [15:27]
Adlai benjamindees: ^ [15:27]
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benjamindees I'm asking more from a philosophical perspective. [15:27]
xanthyos to all USG people reading this log i am not antistatist or anti FIAT and i will turn states evidence on danielpbarron [15:28]
xanthyos i am only in bitcoin as a hobbyist poker player, i love obama [15:28]
benjamindees mircea_popescu, ain't nobody got time for that [15:28]
xanthyos please rate me down so i can't voice myself in this terrorist room anymore [15:28]
mircea_popescu then nobody ain't part of this. [15:28]
Adlai benjamindees: i just gave you the shortcut, i believe you misprounounced "thanks" [15:28]
mircea_popescu xanthyos but terrorism's nice. plus we have cookies. [15:29]
xanthyos i want no affiliation with mircea_popescu the slave holder [15:29]
mircea_popescu how about sedition ? are you in favour of sedition ? [15:29]
mircea_popescu !s donkeys camels [15:29]
assbot 3 results for 'donkeys camels' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=donkeys+camels [15:29]
xanthyos /rate xanthyos -1 never voice yourself in assets again [15:29]
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mircea_popescu benjamindees http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2015#1013038 << you could start there. [15:30]
assbot Logged on 09-02-2015 00:37:52; mircea_popescu: looky here : growing larger implies growing costs. this is a given. a larger bitcoin will somehow be paid for. [15:30]
Adlai !gettrust assbot xanthyos [15:30]
assbot Trust relationship from user assbot to user xanthyos: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/xanthyos | http://w.b-a.link/user/xanthyos [15:30]
mircea_popescu !rated xanthyos [15:30]
assbot You have not rated xanthyos. [15:30]
Adlai mircea_popescu: arguably, the main/relevant effect of 'sidechains' to date has been funnelling VC money into subsidizing full nodes... although i guess you don't trust full nodes run by those people... but you don't have to because bitcoin [15:32]
mircea_popescu basically, to quote the ancient http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/ : [15:35]
mircea_popescu Yet another one of them is that consumers revolt, entrepreneurs intervene, before the end of 2015 there's about a thousand to a million different Bitcoin forks, each with its ten million-ish monetary base worth about a dollar, on global average. The size of the inter-Bitcoins market, the complexity and confusion ensuing makes pretty much everything unmanageable for the "ordinary person". [15:35]
assbot Bitcoin prices, Bitcoin inflexibility pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EsBPMQ ) [15:35]
mircea_popescu it's a bunch of fiat derps refusing to submit. [15:35]
mircea_popescu which is fine, they can struggle for as long as they can gather the energy. [15:36]
Adlai note that for the "real bitcoin", this just has the effect of further distinguishing it as such, if the current mess didn't do that well enough [15:36]
mircea_popescu indeed. [15:36]
mircea_popescu good article, that, incidentally, in that it plainly discusses in 2013 things people imagine are "about the future" in 2015. [15:37]
benjamindees so, you're saying sidechains are better than alts [15:38]
mircea_popescu all screws are better than thumbtacks for the man holding a hammer. [15:39]
benjamindees "there are two avenues to pay for it." <-- I disagree with this, by the way. The third avenue is to pay for it with more transactions, since the major costs (mining) are fixed. [15:39]
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mircea_popescu ... [15:40]
mircea_popescu so your avenue to pay for your starbucks is a) give them some of your money ; b) borrow some money to give them or c) buy another soda ? [15:41]
mircea_popescu what is this, the cartoons ? [15:41]
benjamindees more transactions == growth in transaction volume == more fees, not just higher fees [15:42]
Adlai benjamindees: wait, let's back up a bit, if not for your then my sake. what's the point of sidechains? i don't think it's "paying for bitcoin mining" [15:42]
* Adlai thinks that federated sidechains are a great idea and cointip, bitbase, changepay, whatever they're called - should be using those, if they want transparency [15:42]
benjamindees Adlai, I'm wondering what you all think about it. I was under the impression you were for the idea. [15:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00040355 = 7.4253 BTC [+] [15:42]
Adlai again, federated sidechains - great idea. you want a ledger with centralized control but accessible to the public, that manipulates btc denominated assets? this is how. [15:43]
benjamindees I've seen a couple of people say similar things. It seemed natural that if you are for a 1MB limit, you would be for sidechains as an avenue for growth or at least to keep the alts at bay. [15:43]
Adlai (granted, it's a lot more work than just asking people to trust you) [15:43]
Adlai !s rai stones [15:45]
assbot 1 results for 'rai stones' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rai+stones [15:45]
mircea_popescu benjamindees you're completely and utterly misrepresenting the discussion. [15:45]
benjamindees feel free to correct me [15:45]
mircea_popescu if you're doing this by accident, you'll stfu and go read. if you're doing it deliberately... well... you'll keep at it and we'll have our lulz and move on. [15:45]
mircea_popescu i do not correct you, you're not tim fucking swanson. you correct you. [15:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1983 @ 0.00077099 = 1.5289 BTC [-] [15:46]
benjamindees I've read everything you linked so far. It seems mostly sarcastic, which I don't really follow since I don't read your logs anyways. [15:46]
Adlai benjamindees: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rai_stones << money doesn't have to be convenient to be useful, and there are zillions of ways to handle amounts that aren't worth the transaction cost of lugging the whole thing around; some ways are more transparent (like federated sidechains), and others less (like changetip). non-federated sidechains require changing bitcoin itself, so let's see real [15:47]
assbot Rai stones - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1FaWU2f ) [15:47]
Adlai world use of the version that doesn't require a change before we talk about making changes - my 2¢ [15:47]
mircea_popescu the notion that you may participate without understanding is like... well, what all comedy gold is made out of, i guess. [15:47]
mircea_popescu how did you get this idea, that if you don't follow something it's incumbent on me/the school/the world to fix it for you ? [15:48]
mircea_popescu go read shit until you get it. [15:48]
benjamindees ... [15:48]
Adlai think of the sarcasm as a barrier of entry against butthurtion [15:48]
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Adlai "but the energy, effort and resources which could have been expended on comfortably yielding and productively submitting" << lol [15:56]
mircea_popescu myeah. [15:56]
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mircea_popescu !up Birdman [16:31]
-assbot- You voiced Birdman for 30 minutes. [16:31]
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Birdman !down mircea_popescu [16:31]
Birdman just kiddin, sup [16:31]
mircea_popescu what's this, democracy ? [16:31]
Birdman ^ [16:31]
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punkman ruin_dpbs_life: danielpbarron: you're a dead man i'm going to fucking do whatever it takes to hurt you << lolwut [16:44]
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asciilifeform i go out for just one hour to workshop, and what do you know, we have new surrender-monkeys ? [16:48]
asciilifeform how many? two? [16:48]
punkman just xanthyos I suppose [16:48]
punkman wasn't he the fellow with the broken dick? [16:49]
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asciilifeform gavinandresen_ has quit (Client Quit) << lol! the real deal? [16:49]
danielpbarron punkman, yeh [16:49]
punkman danielpbarron: why the hardon for you? [16:50]
asciilifeform and did i miss some political wank or other? did they have a public impalement of heretics on the washington monument, and i missed this ? [16:51]
danielpbarron he has nothing better to do, and has apparently been obsessing about me [16:51]
asciilifeform why the surge of 'i love the fuhrer' [16:51]
punkman paranoia about losing benefits? [16:51]
danielpbarron yes; he gets checks from the state for being crazy [16:51]
danielpbarron he's never worked for a living in his life [16:52]
asciilifeform this does not automagically explain publicly creaming one's pants for usg [16:52]
asciilifeform plenty of folks get their daily bread from $sponsor while hating with exquisite hate [16:53]
* Adlai wonders what such a person's shrink would think if first hearing about bitcoin from such a patient [16:53]
asciilifeform related: [16:55]
asciilifeform 'The Russian author Eduard Limonov wrote of his experiences with poverty in America. To his joy, he discovered that he could supplement his cash earnings with public assistance. But he also quickly discovered that he had to keep this joy well hidden when showing up to collect his free money. It is a curious fact that in America public assistance is only made available to the miserable and the downtrodden, not to those who are [16:55]
asciilifeform in need of some free money but are otherwise perfectly content. Although it is just as possible to be poor and happy in America as anywhere else, here one must make a choice: to avoid any number of unpleasant situations, one must be careful to hide either the fact that one is poor, or the fact that one is happy. If free public money is to be obtained, then only the latter choice remains. It is another curious fact that vast nu [16:55]
asciilifeform mbers of Americans, both rich and poor, would regard Limonov's behavior as nothing short of despicable: a foreign author living in America on public assistance while also earning cash! It seems reasonable that the rich should feel that way; if the poor can't be made miserable, then what exactly is the point of being rich?' [16:55]
danielpbarron i'm not sure how much of it he sincerely believes, and how much is an attempt to get a rise out of me [16:55]
asciilifeform (orlov, who else) [16:55]
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mircea_popescu * Adlai wonders what such a person's shrink would think if first hearing about bitcoin from such a patient << srsly. [17:01]
Adlai my first 'irl friend' who became a holder has remarked that the main (if not only) obstacle to holding is a social one; so anybody who has been marginalized their entire life (in this case, we were discussing religious minorities, but this equally applies to the 'functionally insane') is automatically more receptive than the mean [17:07]
Adlai well, ok, not anybody, those that have learned from being marginalized that 'society' isn't necessarily acting on any good reason [17:07]
asciilifeform that the main (if not only) obstacle to holding is a social one << wai, wat?! nobody has to know if you have btc [17:08]
asciilifeform unlike almost any other activity [17:08]
Adlai social, in the sense that you hold fiat because that's what everybody else holds [17:08]
Adlai hanging onto cash during times of trouble is rather similar to 'hodl' [17:09]
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cazalla way to butcher PseudoNode spelling [17:47]
cazalla thestringpuller, http://qntra.net/2015/02/new-security-standard-announced-at-devcore/#comment-10413 [17:50]
assbot New Security Standard Announced at DevCore | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1zDtUbn ) [17:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2362 @ 0.00073052 = 1.7255 BTC [-] {10} [17:53]
cazalla danielpbarron: he's never worked for a living in his life <<< maybe he can get a job as a postman because he never fails to deliver [18:08]
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trinque mircea_popescu: btcd chewed up a drive on me; that stream of "adding orphan block" was preceded by an input/output error barf [19:06]
trinque redid the thing with the bootstrap torrent on the server, and it's on mid december as of now [19:06]
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trinque kicked it up to a bigger ec2 instance; not exactly a mindboggling increase in the rate of munching blocks [19:27]
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mod6 <+thestringpuller> mod6: ben_vulpes it got past the wedge <+thestringpuller> "blocks" : 164713 << looks to me like you just hit a spot where it was slow, maybe a lot of disconnected blocks. this isn't the "wedge" block we were hitting. tx we had issues with (VerifiySignature) was in block 168,001. It's all in the logs. [19:37]
thestringpuller mod6: dyslexia and stuffs. not my best week :( [19:38]
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mod6 If you got past 168,001 without any erros reported in `./bitcoind getinfo` then you should be alright. [19:38]
mod6 thestringpuller: np [19:38]
thestringpuller i don't think it will if its running 0.9.8 ssl [19:39]
thestringpuller it's also slow as molasses and they want to increase the size of these blocks? [19:39]
mod6 well, remember, I've personally gotten past that block probably a dozen times with openssl 0.9.8o with config: v0.5.3 + patches { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, & 6 } [19:40]
thestringpuller oh whoa! [19:40]
thestringpuller it got past it [19:40]
thestringpuller 180631 [19:40]
mod6 and recently, TomServo was able to fully sync the blockchain with config: v0.5.3 + patches + { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, 6 & 7 } AND with openssl v0.9.8o [19:40]
mod6 so its totally inconsistant [19:41]
thestringpuller "blocks" : 180631 [19:41]
mod6 ok 180631 and no errors, looking good. see, it's inconsistant :) [19:41]
thestringpuller $ openssl version [19:41]
thestringpuller OpenSSL 0.9.8o 01 Jun 2010 [19:41]
thestringpuller this is an older box. [19:41]
mod6 you're on debian 7 right? [19:41]
thestringpuller yea [19:41]
thestringpuller wheezy [19:41]
mod6 we're running on squeeze (deb 6) [19:41]
thestringpuller Ah. damn that was so long ago ~_~ [19:42]
mod6 you might be the first to be testing on deb7, not sure. [19:42]
thestringpuller if it gets current blockheight, i'll open up ports and run this as my full node instead of 0.8 version was tricked in to using. [19:43]
mod6 thanks for testing. if you put together a pastebin of your findings: `./bitcoind getinfo` `openssl version -a`, etc. that would be helpful for our permutation matrix [19:43]
thestringpuller i'll wait until it either hits a wall or gets current. [19:44]
mod6 ok thats awesome. although, i think what everyone has been running up to now is a dynamically linked version of the output binary. which shouldn't even be availab.e [19:44]
thestringpuller i didn't grok that sentence sorry [19:45]
punkman I compiled and run up to wedge on deb 7 [19:45]
mod6 when statically linking via the makefile.unix that's included with v0.5.3, I can't even get mine to compile correctly. So, I'll be spending a lot of time probably re-writing the entire makefile [19:45]
thestringpuller oh. [19:45]
thestringpuller well this is from pl script v 0.0.8? [19:45]
mod6 what sentence tsp? [19:45]
mod6 yeah. [19:45]
thestringpuller oh dynamically linking vs static [19:46]
mod6 it'll build, it'll build the `bitcoind` binary dyamically linked. [19:46]
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mod6 which we won't support. [19:46]
thestringpuller what's the benefit of static linking? [19:46]
mod6 for the last 48 hours i've been working on trying to get it to build against static libs. [19:46]
mod6 it will build all of the necessary things inside of the output binary, instead of leaving that stuff to call out to a seperate place [19:47]
thestringpuller okay i see. been a lot longer than I realize before really looking at C/C++ code. (although this i pretty much all boost which I guess alf pointed out) [19:47]
mod6 makes for a larger output binary (by about 10mb) but is more safe incase someone were to do something nasty with a lib that is dynamically linked [19:47]
mod6 well, w/e [19:48]
thestringpuller they have sentenced me to writing ruby for slave labor [19:48]
mod6 aight. so yeah, stay tuned. as soon as I get anything working with static libs and static linking of the output object files from the bitcoin source base, I'll give an update. [19:49]
thestringpuller do you have specific usecase for inducing the wedge? [19:49]
mod6 it probably will take a while. [19:49]
thestringpuller for if I wanted to test that. [19:49]
mod6 thestringpuller: no. [19:49]
mod6 it's inconsistant. [19:49]
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thestringpuller "non-deterministic" lol [19:49]
mod6 as you just proved, it'll make it past it sometimes, and sometimes not. im sure there is some sort of reason for this, but we dont know what it is at this time. [19:50]
thestringpuller life's great mysteries? [19:51]
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mod6 Naw. [19:53]
mod6 We'll figure it out at somepoint. I think, for now the important thing is that we have a workaround. [19:54]
mod6 There's a lot of moving parts in there, and deps. It's hard to put a finger on what exactly it is, right now. Especially since we are all using slightly different environments. Too many variable.s [19:55]
mod6 Anyway, none of this really matters until we can get a statically linked build. [19:56]
thestringpuller cazalla: replied. awaiting moderation. [20:11]
cazalla thestringpuller, approved, but shouldn't you be working? :P [20:11]
thestringpuller on a saturday? [20:12]
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cazalla i figured it for friday but look.. sunday morning [20:16]
thestringpuller dat time travel. [20:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38500 @ 0.00038839 = 14.953 BTC [+] {2} [20:25]
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thestringpuller asciilifeform: re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#922646 << is this why a lot of the US's rockets blew up during "apollo" or what not? [20:27]
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joecool need to get trust in -assets, i look like the leader of a splinter faction on here http://cookiechief.com/wotviz/ lol [20:30]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DsOb9z ) [20:30]
joecool thestringpuller: is that only importing from gribble's wot when a new member joins the -assets wot? [20:31]
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thestringpuller Nah its a static graph. And I need to redo one of the algorithms to only list those with L2 trust, a few pop up that shouldn't be there. [20:32]
thestringpuller eventually i plan to run cron job that pulls data from kako's w.b-a.link api [20:32]
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mircea_popescu !up wpalczynski [21:42]
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mircea_popescu joecool lol maybe you're the head of the black jews. [21:43]
joecool *shrugs* stranger things have happened [21:45]
mircea_popescu http://qntra.net/2015/02/new-security-standard-announced-at-devcore/#comment-10462 [21:51]
assbot New Security Standard Announced at DevCore | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1CtRHiv ) [21:51]
mircea_popescu these people and their narcissistic delusions of self importance. [21:52]
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BingoBoingo !up hegemoOn [21:53]
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Bagels7 Hi bingoboingo, im not even verified, and deleted my key and im on windows! [21:53]
BingoBoingo Wow [21:54]
Bagels7 (its on another device) [21:54]
BingoBoingo Ah [21:54]
Bagels7 why the up? [21:55]
BingoBoingo WHy not? [21:56]
mircea_popescu !up felipelalli [21:57]
-assbot- You voiced felipelalli for 30 minutes. [21:57]
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mircea_popescu he can never ruin an uppetite. for even if he ruins one, he has another coming right after! [21:57]
wpalczynski what do you guys make of this btc rise? any new behind it? [21:57]
wpalczynski *news [21:57]
mircea_popescu wpalczynski https://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/ [21:57]
assbot BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.15 B (20%) on Yes, 4393.47 B (80%) on No | closed 53 minutes ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1CtSH6l ) [21:57]
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mircea_popescu note the dates. [21:58]
wpalczynski what are they talking about? how can one share be trading at 185k? [21:59]
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BingoBoingo Oh, only 10 hearncoin nodes [22:00]
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TheNewDeal ;;later tell TomServo I'm in town this evening, out tomorrow morn. Will be back thursday [22:01]
gribble The operation succeeded. [22:01]
mircea_popescu are you new to all this, wpalczynski ? [22:04]
wpalczynski bitbet i am [22:04]
mircea_popescu no, finance. [22:04]
wpalczynski not new to finance [22:05]
wpalczynski ive just never seen a share of any company worth nearly that much [22:05]
mircea_popescu well, berkshire is kind-of famous for this reason. you never heard of it ? [22:05]
wpalczynski ive heard of some alleged scams associate with it [22:06]
mircea_popescu you have ?! like which ? [22:06]
wpalczynski is that reallyt what it trades at? [22:06]
BingoBoingo Japanese companies tend towards similarly high share prices because of a lack of splits [22:06]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo also the yen's kinda weak. [22:06]
wpalczynski cant really recall to be honest with you [22:07]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: That too [22:07]
Bagels7 so i was reading trilema.com, just gets me wound up sometimes [22:09]
BingoBoingo Which part? [22:11]
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Bagels7 how are there no "happy postop transsexuals" [22:11]
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mircea_popescu dja know any ? [22:13]
Bagels7 yeah but they call themselves women not transsexuals [22:13]
mircea_popescu anybody over 50 ? [22:15]
Bagels7 yes, mainly them i had in mind [22:16]
mircea_popescu well, i guess maybe you're better connected in the group than me. i mostly know clinicians. [22:17]
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Bagels7 okay so i heard that there are some who lose their sex drive and become some sort of bitter bitch but they must have been the ones that were confused or coherced [22:18]
mircea_popescu because why ? [22:18]
Bagels7 I never asked but I might assume they miss having a dick [22:22]
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mircea_popescu well, i would imagine if they actually aim to be female they'd miss having a cunt more than having a dick. [22:24]
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BingoBoingo https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vw8sk/looks_like_over_80_of_bitcoin_foundation_members/ [22:24]
assbot Looks like over 80% of Bitcoin Foundation members are not allowed to vote in the current election - including several candidates & current board members. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/19iWbPm ) [22:24]
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mircea_popescu lol any good drama ? [22:26]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: lol!! [22:27]
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asciilifeform 'Less than 20% of Bitcoin Foundation members will be eligible to vote due to a new requirement that members "activate" their accounts. Even if they are candidates, current board members, regularly participate in the foundation message boards or are actively involved with the foundation. Even those who just joined within the last month would not be able to vote unless they performed the additional step of "activating" accounts.' [22:27]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Just that Brian Goss disenfranchised all of those paying derple https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vw8sk/looks_like_over_80_of_bitcoin_foundation_members/colkoy6 [22:27]
assbot Bg002h comments on Looks like over 80% of Bitcoin Foundation members are not allowed to vote in the current election - including several candidates & current board members. ... ( http://bit.ly/19iWv0t ) [22:27]
mircea_popescu aww wait, bruce fenton complaining ? [22:28]
BingoBoingo INdeed [22:28]
mircea_popescu well, whadda they want, bitcoin scam foundation sold lifetime seats and ran out of money. of course it's not gonna honor them [22:28]
mircea_popescu it's like putting your dollars in a roth. [22:28]
decimation yeah I like the surprisingly reactionary 'election' [22:29]
decimation except for the part where they pass it off as a fair election [22:30]
asciilifeform having to rig the ballot (rather than the count) is almost iconically 'orc' inept [22:30]
mircea_popescu like unactivated virii ? [22:30]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform the funniest part is the notion that anyone gives a shit what comes out of it. [22:31]
asciilifeform presumably the usg dept. of retardation or whatnot, which phunds the phoundation, cares. [22:33]
decimation plus some bums on reddit [22:33]
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mircea_popescu hardly. [22:33]
mircea_popescu it's more of a contest of possible scapegoats. [22:34]
decimation like the soviets, they probably are going to pick the guy who is 'least likely to surrender to the foundation' [22:34]
BingoBoingo !b 6 [22:35]
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hanbot mircea_popescu not inasfar as unactivated virii implies knowable potential [22:35]
BingoBoingo http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/01/29/negroes-and-the-gun-a-winchester-in-every-black-home/ [22:38]
assbot Negroes and the Gun: A Winchester “in every Black home” - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1CurHBe ) [22:38]
mircea_popescu http://www.notjustbitchy.com/sadism-is-not-an-excuse-to-be-awful/#comment-5547 << for maximal trololol. [22:38]
assbot Sadism is not an excuse to be awful! » Not Just Bitchy ... ( http://bit.ly/1CurNZw ) [22:38]
mircea_popescu in other news, http://pervocracy.blogspot.ca/2012/08/the-myth-of-boner-werewolf.html is why "safewords" are utter bs. really, "red" midstride ? not happening. [22:40]
assbot The Pervocracy: The Myth of the Boner Werewolf. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CusaDl ) [22:40]
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asciilifeform paging herr mocsny: [22:42]
asciilifeform 'Try this one on for size. A man and woman are together, making out, removing clothes, getting totally naked, engaging in foreplay with both partners active, the woman mounts the man and begins rubbing her stuff on his stuff, without penetration but obviously that’s the next step; and then she suddenly says “I’m uncomfortable doing this,” and turns completely cold. I’ve experienced this. I respected the “No” but [22:42]
asciilifeform I have to tell you it felt like an icy dagger being pounded straight into my heart. People tell me I’m pretty easy-going and in that situation I believed I proved it. But I really hope there aren’t too many women who make a habit of this. Because I don’t think men are biologically constructed to pass such tests reliably.' [22:42]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu ^ [22:42]
asciilifeform (from archive, http://www.myrsky.net/danimal-archive-part-2 ) [22:43]
assbot » Danimal Archive, part 2. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CusF0f ) [22:43]
mircea_popescu it's just infantilism. girlie trying to test the limits of her world. [22:43]
mircea_popescu it's unhealthy for said world to just infinitely give way in all directions all the time. at least some of the time she has to come face flat against a stone wall. [22:43]
mircea_popescu for sanity, if nothing else. [22:44]
asciilifeform but in the corner of the room, a little red-white-and-blue weasel sits and whispers in her ear, 'we can move, remove, all the walls, in exchange for just a trifle' [22:44]
mircea_popescu tough. [22:45]
BingoBoingo And seriously spz safewords are a thing red is a horribru one. Now Balloon or "I'm not just sure, I'm HIV positive" might have some potential. [22:46]
mircea_popescu lol [22:48]
mircea_popescu i think red is by far the widest used. [22:48]
asciilifeform know of any logical reason for this? [22:48]
mircea_popescu anyway, the whole construction's fucking irresponsible. for one thing, the subject's not in any position to evaluate anything. there are specific, well documented, well understood biological mechanisms that prevent a sane evaluation. [22:49]
mircea_popescu if you handling the cane can't tell when she;s had enough, her with the bruises and marks CERTAINLY can't. [22:49]
BingoBoingo Red is one of the worst imagineable for the purpose. It does nothing to break the context of the situation and fits in too many contexts appropirate to the situation. It's like a trailer park feeding trough using icecream as its safe word to get gluttons to leave. [22:50]
mircea_popescu not to mention the entire fucking point of the exercise is for the sub/slave to SUBMIT. not to constantly feed the red herring of "individual self determination" [22:50]
asciilifeform ^ [22:50]
mircea_popescu not that i've actually met a woman seriously into bdsm that was all derpy with this atomic consent bs anyway. [22:51]
mircea_popescu it's mostly the avatar of teenagers that wish to pretend they're adults, and make up their parallel adult world to inhabit. [22:51]
asciilifeform and so read log; now, what's this i hear re: a 10mb statically-linked bitcoind ?! [22:53]
asciilifeform what arch ? [22:53]
asciilifeform somebody did something odd [22:53]
mod6 yeah, im sure i did. [22:55]
mod6 dynamically linked ~18mb, statically linked (that didn't work) ~28mb [22:56]
mod6 that was on obsd. which subsequently coredumped on execute [22:56]
mod6 so ~10mb /difference/ [22:56]
asciilifeform http://sasecurity.wikia.com/wiki/Encryption << anyone here admits to being responsible for this ? [22:57]
assbot Encryption - Sasecurity Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/19iZXrY ) [22:57]
mod6 im still wrestling with trying to compile bitcoind on linux with statically linked libs & objects. [22:59]
asciilifeform mod6: 'portatronic' will do it [22:59]
asciilifeform ought to work on any reasonable unix [22:59]
asciilifeform did you find otherwise ? [23:00]
mod6 no, havnet tried it. ben is building it currently actually. thanks. [23:00]
asciilifeform i used that little script to build the armv5 bins [23:00]
asciilifeform (also posted to listserv a while ago) [23:01]
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BingoBoingo mod6: Your appearance reminded me to update with the protocol.cpp #includes http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2015/02/14/notes-on-building-bitcoin-qt-on-openbsd/ [23:09]
assbot Notes on Building Bitcoin-qt on OpenBSD | Bingo Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1CuwP8e ) [23:09]
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mod6 BingoBoingo: ah, yeah cool. :] [23:17]
BingoBoingo I also killed the block files and block index with my build today to test syncing again. Almost to 16801 again. [23:18]
mod6 ok cool. [23:18]
BingoBoingo This run with a 4GB process RAM limit it hasn't crashed yet. Just crossed the 512 MB line around block 153000 [23:20]
mod6 *nod* i wanna say that mine usually blows up around like 200-230k or w/e [23:21]
BingoBoingo Well I'll report what happens when I get to March 2013 again [23:22]
mod6 (always past the last checkpoint, but usually before 252450) [23:22]
mod6 ok thanks BB [23:22]
BingoBoingo I was at late Feb 2013 though when I killed my stuff to sync again [23:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2681 @ 0.000755 = 2.0242 BTC [+] [23:24]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: realize that the obscene memhunger is 99+% bastard blocks [23:30]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: don't take my word for it, either. 'valgrind.' [23:30]
decimation lol usg http://www.wsj.com/articles/online-document-sheds-light-on-proposed-drone-rules-1423960620 [23:30]
assbot Online Document Sheds Light on Proposed Drone Rules - WSJ [23:30]
asciilifeform (doesn't require any actual work to use, just run as described earlier in log) [23:30]
decimation "Federal regulators plan to propose rules that would limit commercial drone flights to below 500 feet, daytime hours and within sight of the operator, while also requiring operators to pass written exams, according to a federal document posted online Friday." [23:30]
decimation they've been 'working' on these rules for more than 4 years and this is what they come up with? the status quo? [23:31]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I might give that a go next time [23:31]
decimation in case folks are unfamiliar, usg claims the air on 'your' land starting at 0 feet [23:31]
asciilifeform decimation: the actual law, as always, is 'not caught, not thief.' [23:31]
asciilifeform as with mircea_popescu's unlicense. [23:31]
decimation yeah as if people are going to pay usg to fly their 'aircraft' at 500 feet within sight of the operator [23:32]
decimation the whole point of the 'drone license' was that somehow drones would be able to fly farther [23:32]
asciilifeform the corollary to the 'first law,' 'not caught not thief' - is 'may as well hang for a sheep as a lamb' [23:32]
asciilifeform as in, if flying a pilotless machine from washington to new york is punishable with life at hard labour, the cargo may as well be cocaine [23:33]
asciilifeform or trotyl [23:33]
asciilifeform or whatever. [23:33]
BingoBoingo torglodiesel [23:34]
BingoBoingo *troglodiesel [23:34]
decimation maximal bureaucratic ass covering plus 'anarchotyranny' [23:36]
decimation ie 'anarchy for those who choose to thumb their nose at the law', tyranny for anyone who desires to comply [23:36]
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asciilifeform decimation: nah, 'anarchotyranny' - useful term, commonly understood - is when certain useful idiots are permitted a free hand to terrorize designated victims [23:37]
decimation yeah usually the way the term is used, the 'anarchy' group is associated with privileged classes to whom the law does not practically apply [23:38]
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BingoBoingo http://reason.com/blog/2015/02/14/the-killer-the-reporter-and-the-southern [23:40]
assbot The Killer, the Reporter, and the Southern Poverty Law Center - Hit & Run : Reason.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACzhNB ) [23:40]
decimation BingoBoingo: the splc is one of the official 'victim' group selectors [23:42]
BingoBoingo That it is [23:42]
asciilifeform http://www.ivy-style.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/nsa3.jpg << small l0l: the ru example is atrociously off [23:44]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACzWP2 ) [23:44]
asciilifeform (from http://www.ivy-style.com/secret-society-nsa-recruiting-ads-at-brown-1968.html ) [23:45]
assbot Ivy Style » Secret Society: NSA Recruiting Ads At Brown, 1968 ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACzZdM ) [23:45]
decimation asciilifeform: what does the ru version say? [23:45]
asciilifeform it's a dictionary gloss of the engl. [23:46]
decimation ah without conjugation? [23:46]
asciilifeform aha. [23:46]
mircea_popescu troglodiesel lmao [23:48]
decimation lol http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/15/magazine/how-one-stupid-tweet-ruined-justine-saccos-life.html?smid=fb-share [23:53]
assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1KYszCu ) [23:54]
decimation "“Going to Africa. Hope I don’t get AIDS. Just kidding. I’m white!” [23:54]
decimation She chuckled to herself as she pressed send on this last one, then wandered around Heathrow’s international terminal for half an hour, sporadically checking her phone. No one replied, which didn’t surprise her. She had only 170 Twitter followers." [23:54]
decimation "Sacco boarded the plane. It was an 11-hour flight, so she slept. When the plane landed in Cape Town and was taxiing on the runway, she turned on her phone. Right away, she got a text from someone she hadn’t spoken to since high school: “I’m so sorry to see what’s happening.” Sacco looked at it, baffled." [23:55]
decimation No rasis comment goes unpunished!! [23:55]
mircea_popescu lol [23:57]
mircea_popescu what exactly "was happening" ? [23:58]
decimation well, it's our old friends at valleywag [23:58]
decimation "It’s possible that Sacco’s fate would have been different had an anonymous tip not led a writer named Sam Biddle to the offending tweet. Biddle was then the editor of Valleywag, Gawker Media’s tech-industry blog. He retweeted it to his 15,000 followers and eventually posted it on Valleywag, accompanied by the headline, “And Now, a Funny Holiday Joke From IAC’s P.R. Boss.”" [23:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56200 @ 0.00039092 = 21.9697 BTC [+] [23:58]
mircea_popescu so basically nothing. [23:59]
decimation right [23:59]
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