Forum logs for 14 Dec 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
Bingoboingo !up renard_abroad [00:00]
nubbins` hi renard [00:00]
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nubbins` !up renard_abroad [00:00]
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nubbins` both of ya, useless [00:00]
renard_abroad yet? [00:00]
PeterL that could certainly use attention, the idea is to have several lists to choose from [00:00]
nubbins` renard_abroad: yet. [00:00]
nubbins` welcome [00:00]
renard_abroad peterl: server barfs on config.py [00:01]
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PeterL hmm, i'll try to fix that, just a sec [00:02]
mircea_popescu that is the idea, yes. but the other idea is that it's not safe to use more than a few hundred words because natural language usage does not normally distribute. [00:02]
renard_abroad nbd just fyi [00:02]
renard_abroad can it be any wordset or a specifically normally-distributed one? [00:04]
PeterL ok, renamed and now it shows (if you want to run this, I think you need to make it .py again) [00:05]
PeterL the idea is you use whatever dictionary you want, i included 3 [00:06]
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PeterL but whoever decrypts it must then use the exact same list file [00:06]
renard_abroad aha [00:07]
PeterL the one problem i am still trying to fix is that it seems to ignore using a specified dictionary and always uses whatever defalt is in the config , I think i might have something wrong in the python logic [00:08]
mircea_popescu sounds exactly like what teh nsa'd do. [00:09]
PeterL mircea_popescu: it actually looks better when i use the short list i pulled out of my head, simple.dict, rather than the full list [00:11]
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PeterL Now rob circle rib sew south wind bit park you, welt chomp swing through. Hag bounce hack ha [00:14]
PeterL rd light vale, acid. [00:14]
PeterL Crenelate untwists pronating memorializes beclouds. Cellophane gush harmfully inferences bor [00:14]
PeterL ons abeyance. [00:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45450 @ 0.00048371 = 21.9846 BTC [-] {4} [00:15]
PeterL two lines each for the same message, but with different lists [00:15]
mircea_popescu notsobad. [00:17]
mircea_popescu a grammarizer might help put the comma in better, but yeah. [00:17]
PeterL well, randomly selected words will ignore grammar rules [00:18]
mircea_popescu yeah. this is a topic for study, it's not even clear more grammar-ness is a good thing. [00:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00048316 = 4.3726 BTC [-] [00:22]
asciilifeform i confess that i still don't see the point of the exercise: [00:25]
asciilifeform this is sad stego [00:25]
asciilifeform easily detectable with naked eye. [00:25]
asciilifeform and it grates on the nerves, even. esp. if you were on usenet in the late '90s and suffered through the 'hipcrime' crud [00:26]
PeterL use the resulting words as first words in lines of a poem? [00:26]
asciilifeform use however you like, but any public agreement re: precisely what to do kills the whole point of stego [00:27]
PeterL asciilifeform: easily detectable with naked eye. << or does it just look like sapm? [00:29]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-12-2015#1342638 << the solution to this is to use a corpus distilled from your own logz [00:29]
assbot Logged on 14-12-2015 03:00:57; mircea_popescu: that is the idea, yes. but the other idea is that it's not safe to use more than a few hundred words because natural language usage does not normally distribute. [00:29]
PeterL could be easy enough to specify a document and have it remove duplicates to generate a word list [00:30]
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PeterL would just require a couple more lines of code when opening the wordlist file [00:33]
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asciilifeform for the record, imho this is a disastrously bad idea [00:33]
mircea_popescu yeah that'd never work. [00:34]
PeterL why disasterous? [00:34]
asciilifeform i for one am not looking forward to ~ever~ having to mentally filter this diarrhea out of conversation [00:34]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what conversation. [00:34]
asciilifeform anywhere where naked eye might encounter it [00:34]
asciilifeform (which presumably was the point of the proposal - make the enemy expend human labour to distinguish pgpgrams, rather than the present condition of being able to do so mechanically) [00:35]
PeterL is it so much worse than a pgpgram output? [00:35]
asciilifeform whole point is to blur the distinction between 'human text' and pgpgram, no ? [00:36]
PeterL you don't have to look at it, just copy the file of text and point the program at it [00:36]
asciilifeform can somebody (preferably mircea_popescu, whose idea this was) describe - roughly - the point of this ? [00:37]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform so that it drowns out "conversation", ie, any plain channel stuff. [00:37]
mircea_popescu step 1 : build perfect radsuit. step 2 : glass the place. [00:38]
asciilifeform why even use a legacy system like irc then [00:38]
mircea_popescu yet. [00:38]
mircea_popescu i don't plan to use irc forever. [00:38]
mircea_popescu and i expect gossipd to be undistinguishable for the phillipino/redditarded eye from current b-a log. [00:38]
asciilifeform what's the point of the word salad when you have properly ciphered bits [00:39]
mircea_popescu that it makes life impossible for the lesser people, who still depend on being able to chat without access to proper tools. [00:39]
Bingoboingo Grammarizer needs to aspire to creating stego prose leik: "Bob's feet were a horror. Advanced stages of gout had swollen his feet which were covered in sores, growths, and hard scaly patches. I know this because Bob's shoes were improvised flip flops, clearly hand made. I can only imagine normal shoes don't come in sizes that would fit over the swollen sacs of disease that passed for his feet. I'm not sure how he walked on these s [00:39]
Bingoboingo wollen growths, but they had to be painful." [00:39]
mircea_popescu shit on the poor. it's a program. [00:39]
nubbins` https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1288536.0 [00:39]
assbot [WTS] Ultimate Bitcoin Collector's Pack -- RARE HIGH-TICKET ITEMS FOR SALE! ... ( http://bit.ly/1NOJXig ) [00:39]
nubbins` now where'd i leave my milking gloves? [00:40]
mircea_popescu you drink glove milk ?! [00:40]
nubbins` do people wear gloves to milk? [00:40]
nubbins` hmm [00:40]
mircea_popescu yes. [00:40]
nubbins` ok [00:40]
nubbins` of note, there's a copy of the genesis block times in there [00:40]
Bingoboingo lol, nubbins is cashing out and bro'ing down [00:41]
nubbins` gotta stey in whey [00:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00048533 = 6.1152 BTC [+] [00:41]
mircea_popescu lol [00:41]
nubbins` some chump sold the newspaper to me for 0.25 btc [00:41]
nubbins` maybe i'm the chump tho. we will see [00:42]
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mircea_popescu the bitcoin event horizon is such that anyone who buys is a chump on a long enough timeline. [00:42]
mircea_popescu !up white [00:42]
-assbot- You voiced white for 30 minutes. [00:42]
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Bingoboingo !up white pawah [00:42]
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Bingoboingo *powah [00:42]
white thanks [00:42]
nubbins` mircea_popescu this is true [00:43]
white is punkman around? [00:43]
nubbins` that time i paid an average of 0.5 btc per jazz cigarette, for example [00:43]
mircea_popescu that other time when you called blunts "jazz cigarettes" [00:43]
nubbins` blunts are this whole other thing [00:44]
nubbins` kinda gross really [00:44]
Bingoboingo white: If he's not on nao he'll usually be on in the next few hours [00:44]
nubbins` i've been big on spliffs lately [00:44]
white ok thanks [00:44]
Bingoboingo Really I thing -w mode stego should aspire to https://archive.is/plA29 [00:45]
assbot Tales from 35,000ft: Behind the Beetus Beast : fatpeoplestories ... ( http://bit.ly/1NOKqB6 ) [00:45]
nubbins` Bingoboingo just curious, do you have body image issues [00:45]
* Bingoboingo back in the day used to like blunts and spiffs [00:45]
Bingoboingo nubbins`: Nah, at last not any more than any recovering alcoholic how last time on a dating site chose the "used up" body type at 24 [00:46]
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nubbins` heh [00:47]
nubbins` used up! [00:47]
Bingoboingo What can I say. When I was a kid I wanted to grow up to be the kinda man who drank whiskey and I grew up to be the kind of man who drank whiskey. [00:49]
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nubbins` i got a friend who's been through some times [00:50]
nubbins` we're walking around the town one day, the worst type of stinky rotten bum comes up to him [00:50]
nubbins` "buddy, you look the way i feel" [00:50]
nubbins` shambles off [00:50]
nubbins` O.O [00:51]
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* Bingoboingo realized he might have a problem when started leaving friends at the bar to chill with bums in the gutter. [00:52]
nubbins` sometimes one needs to drink all the booze [00:52]
Bingoboingo Yeah, but even going to 3-5 storytime sessions a week leaves me far more useful time in the day than a bottle does. That's really gotta be what scares Coindesk et al about qntra year 2. [00:54]
* mircea_popescu claps. [00:55]
Bingoboingo That an serious talk now. Throw a dollar in the basket to assuage your guilt about all the coffee you can drink in an hour? What beats that. [00:57]
Bingoboingo Sure ben_vulpes et al would prolly shit on the coffee, but seriously not bad stuff for the middle west. [00:58]
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mircea_popescu oh is it microbrew ? [01:07]
mircea_popescu i hear cascadia only permits microbrew. [01:07]
Bingoboingo Usually when I see the cans it's Folgers or similar, brewed to extreme strength of caffeine. [01:09]
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ben_vulpes aye Bingoboingo i'll not shit on the coffee at bill's house [02:17]
Bingoboingo lol [02:17]
ben_vulpes i'm scared of qntra y2 too now [02:18]
punkman oh man this shoulder/neck strain makes me want to murder puppies [02:19]
punkman white: is punkman around? << next time tell him there's a log and he can type things for me to read later [02:21]
punkman I don't know anyone from the philippines tho [02:21]
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Bingoboingo Oh, punkman isn't into the philipenis? [02:42]
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punkman fun fact, "philipinesa" is a generic term for maid/cleaner in greek [02:45]
Bingoboingo lol [02:47]
punkman and "ukranesa" is another for slutty maids [02:49]
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punkman Bingoboingo: are capsicum/mint gels a scam? [02:50]
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Bingoboingo to use for what? [02:51]
punkman aforementioned shouldner/neck strain [02:52]
Bingoboingo Could work well. Would work better if you can find such a linament with an NSAID drug like salicyclate or naproxen in it. Or use two linaments. [02:53]
punkman tried yesterday for first time, was an ok distraction for a while [02:53]
Bingoboingo Well, that's kinda how these things work. [02:53]
punkman waiting for pharmacy to open to get some topical nsaid gel [02:53]
punkman if I can still move in an hour [02:53]
Bingoboingo Not going to magically repair the strain, but can cover the pain. [02:53]
Bingoboingo Just don't touch your dick until yours hands are clean. [02:54]
punkman that'd be an even better distraction though [02:54]
Bingoboingo Yeah, and you can use a lot more NSAID topically than you can orally. [02:55]
Bingoboingo The good old tylenol/benadryl combo can be layered on top of everything else as well. [02:55]
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punkman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YZXPs8uAB0 [03:04]
assbot Say My Name - Vintage '60s Soul Ballad Destiny's Child Cover ft. Joey Cook - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1RjtZPE ) [03:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19966 @ 0.0004777 = 9.5378 BTC [-] {2} [03:06]
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punkman http://www.wtfpl.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/wtfpl-strip.jpg [03:13]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rjup8H ) [03:13]
Bingoboingo lol [03:15]
Bingoboingo http://www.wtfpl.net/faq/ << Actually seems too complicated [03:16]
assbot Frequently Asked Questions ... ( http://bit.ly/1RjuA3P ) [03:16]
punkman "€2000 fine, 30 day driver's license suspension, 60 days car registration license suspension and 5 SESO penalty points" << they really don't like radar detectors around here [03:25]
punkman "many early "stealth" radar detectors were equipped with a radar-detector-detector-detector circuit, which shuts down the main radar receiver when the detector-detector's signal is detected, thus preventing detection" [03:26]
punkman http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/12/you-may-soon-need-a-licence-to-take-photos-of-that-classic-designer-chair-you-bought/ copylolz [03:29]
assbot UK citizens may soon need licenses to photograph some stuff they already own | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1jXKRgo ) [03:29]
Bingoboingo Police don't really like radar detectors anywhere. [03:33]
Bingoboingo I am fortunate that Saturn plastic sedan really doesn't make such things necessary. Sure it does fine at freeway speeds, but nothing really beyond that. Also clean gray family sedan usually doesn't get much attention anyways. [03:34]
deedbot- [Qntra] Guardian Malware Article Redirects To Malware - http://qntra.net/2015/12/guardian-malware-article-redirects-to-malware/ [03:42]
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Bingoboingo !up Terry4 [03:45]
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ben_vulpes Bingoboingo: https://www.instagram.com/p/-SBwV1Mcr7/ [03:52]
assbot Jon Call on Instagram: “#tbt my 1st #backflip March 2002. Self-taught. Compared to a recent one. #motivationmonday #transformationtuesday #throwbackthursday #gymnastics #tricking #gymmotivation #bodybuilding #weightraining #buildmuscle #fitness #plyometrics #whitemancanjump #outdoortraining #garag ... ( http://bit.ly/1mjjIX6 ) [03:52]
ben_vulpes also what happened to your second b? [03:52]
Bingoboingo ben_vulpes: I switched to oglafbot and forgot to capitalize it [03:53]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71000 @ 0.00047735 = 33.8919 BTC [-] {5} [03:53]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Also Instagram doesn't work. [03:54]
BingoBoingo lol http://trilema.com/2015/facebook-sends-traffic11eleven/#comment-116042 [03:54]
assbot Facebook sends traffic!!11eleven on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NqzHJu ) [03:54]
ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: you gotta see the swole life in action [03:55]
BingoBoingo I can't from instagram though. Instagram is broken. [03:55]
punkman I get empty page even with js enabled [03:56]
BingoBoingo Actual image sites work leik https://i.imgur.com/II9MjM3.jpg [03:59]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1SWzema ) [03:59]
ben_vulpes y'all need better rad suits [04:05]
BingoBoingo Seriously what Instagram is for the soul https://i.imgur.com/82BBrWd.jpg?1 [04:06]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1SWzxxa ) [04:06]
BingoBoingo My rad suit is fine. Instragram working would mean my rad suit is not fine. [04:07]
BingoBoingo Bullyproof windows and troll safe doors http://www.theonion.com/article/dementia-patients-family-keeps-ripping-her-away-id-52021 [04:11]
assbot Dementia Patient’s Family Keeps Ripping Her Away From Idyllic World Of 1950s - The Onion - America's Finest News Source ... ( http://bit.ly/1SWzMs0 ) [04:11]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36500 @ 0.00048074 = 17.547 BTC [+] [04:17]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all --currency gbp [04:20]
gribble Bitstamp BTCGBP last: 288.71943, vol: 10360.14430170 | BTC-E BTCGBP last: 285.4731876, vol: 6534.40147 | CampBX BTCGBP last: 276.444, vol: 1.13878602 | BTCChina BTCGBP last: 295.513057, vol: 102370.29150000 | Kraken BTCGBP last: 287.965, vol: 0.83736814 | Bitcoin-Central BTCGBP last: 288.432788986, vol: 28.95502265 | Volume-weighted last average: 294.371184655 [04:20]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [04:21]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 438.65, vol: 10360.14430170 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 433.9, vol: 6534.40147 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 439.28, vol: 25036.28741881 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 420.0, vol: 1.13878602 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 448.960248, vol: 102368.35830000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 434.36001, vol: 31.95565143 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 438.269042978, vol: 28.95502265 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message) [04:21]
BingoBoingo ;;more [04:21]
gribble average: 445.854206962 [04:21]
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punkman https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20151211005837/en/BitFury-Launch-Energy-Efficient-Immersion-Cooling-Data [04:35]
assbot BitFury to Launch Energy Efficient Immersion Cooling Data Center | Business Wire ... ( http://bit.ly/1SWAJAz ) [04:35]
BingoBoingo http://szabo.best.vwh.net/synch.html [04:36]
assbot A Measure of Sacrifice ... ( http://bit.ly/1SWALsl ) [04:36]
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deedbot- [Qntra] Third Of Americans Not Opposed To Political Violence - http://qntra.net/2015/12/third-of-americans-not-opposed-to-political-violence/ [06:38]
BingoBoingo ^ for asciilifeform [06:40]
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BingoBoingo Safe for work and lyfe https://i.sli.mg/tdXNH0.png [07:01]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Yeqxoz ) [07:01]
deedbot- [Ossasepia] Foxybots v1.3 - http://www.dianacoman.com/2015/12/14/foxybots-v1-3/ [07:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101832 @ 0.00048632 = 49.5229 BTC [+] {5} [07:09]
BingoBoingo very cool jurov [07:10]
BingoBoingo ;;isup trilema.com [07:12]
gribble trilema.com is down [07:12]
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mircea_popescu that's interesting jurov [09:31]
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mircea_popescu and "ukranesa" is another for slutty maids << why one'd get any other kind of maid is beyond me. [09:46]
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mircea_popescu UK citizens may soon need licenses to photograph some stuff they already own <<< that shithole's going so fast down the drain... [09:48]
mircea_popescu !up Terry4 [09:48]
-assbot- You voiced Terry4 for 30 minutes. [09:48]
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mircea_popescu BitFury to Launch Energy Efficient Immersion Cooling Data Center <<< i thought they've been launching and prelaunching thios for over a year by now. [09:49]
mircea_popescu ;;isup trilema.com << yeah not reachable atm. [09:50]
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mircea_popescu that was quick... [09:55]
mircea_popescu "Worse for the donors, they might even discover they prefer an absentee central government that doesn't centrally plan famine." [09:57]
mircea_popescu im tellin' ya, bb is getting markedly better at qntra. [09:57]
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danielpbarron http://m.chron.com/news/houston-texas/texas/article/Dallas-plumber-files-lawsuit-after-ISIS-was-seen-6695887.php >> Oberholtzer says that single photo ruined his life and business, therefore, he wants more than $1 million from the company he says disposed of the pickup, Autonation Ford Gulf Freeway in Houston. [11:01]
assbot Texas City plumber files lawsuit after ISIS was seen using his old truck - Houston Chronicle ... ( http://bit.ly/1OrdydT ) [11:01]
mircea_popescu oh but allow me to ftfy : * jurov found himself studying c++ ... an unexpectedly nasty corner of c++ << said everyone ever. [11:02]
adlai !s fqa [11:04]
assbot 3 results for 'fqa' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fqa [11:04]
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jurov i don't see any mention of rebinding stuff even there [11:25]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-12-2015#1342788 << the only reason why a receiver could even be detectable from outside of the car is a leaking heterodyne - and NOT DOING THIS is ww2 (for fucks sake) state-of-the-art [12:40]
assbot Logged on 14-12-2015 06:25:07; punkman: "many early "stealth" radar detectors were equipped with a radar-detector-detector-detector circuit, which shuts down the main radar receiver when the detector-detector's signal is detected, thus preventing detection" [12:40]
asciilifeform ergo we can conclude that radar detector makers ~deliberately~ sell sabotaged product. [12:41]
asciilifeform http://yosefk.com/c++fqa (via adlai) << long-time favourite of mine. and every word is true. [12:41]
assbot C++ Frequently Questioned Answers ... ( http://bit.ly/1O4WXCn ) [12:41]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-12-2015#1342851 << intellectual property!!11111111 [12:43]
assbot Logged on 14-12-2015 12:46:39; mircea_popescu: UK citizens may soon need licenses to photograph some stuff they already own <<< that shithole's going so fast down the drain... [12:43]
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ben_vulpes much lulz in that c++fqa [15:40]
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ben_vulpes https://gcaptain.com/lpg-tanker-navigator-europa-fire-houston-ship-channel/ << burn more alternative fuels! [15:48]
assbot LPG Tanker Catches Fire in Houston Ship Channel - gCaptain ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQzwKJ ) [15:49]
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asciilifeform !up ascii_field [15:51]
asciilifeform !up FUCK FLEANODE [15:52]
ben_vulpes ahuea [15:52]
adlai !up ascii_field [15:54]
adlai huh [15:54]
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ascii_field 'The Coast Guard said the fire occurred as the ship was loading a cargo of liquid ethylene.' [15:58]
ascii_field ^ not fuel [15:58]
ascii_field used for transporting fruit, american-style [15:58]
ben_vulpes is ethylene that much more flammable than, say, propane or 'natural' gas? [16:02]
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ascii_field ben_vulpes: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Ethylene-LUMO-2D.png [16:03]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQBjzu ) [16:03]
ascii_field ben_vulpes: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/Propane-2D-flat.png [16:03]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQBkUf ) [16:03]
ben_vulpes more carbons and hydrogens in the propane, ergo more flammable right? [16:05]
ascii_field heavier [16:05]
* ben_vulpes labors under an american ME education - "just enough to be useful" [16:05]
ascii_field 'flammable' is a complex thing [16:05]
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ben_vulpes ah [16:05]
ben_vulpes yes [16:05]
ascii_field (flash point; how likely it is to end up near a spark; how reacts) [16:06]
trinque I've been discussing the problem of rejecting bad nodes (or having an affinity for nodes serving up good blocks/txns?) with ben_vulpes. ascii_field or mod6, perhaps you want to say something on the subj. [16:06]
ben_vulpes okay so a lighter gas would be more likely to float up and mix with ambient o2 and ignite? [16:06]
ascii_field aha. [16:06]
trinque looks like the existing node scoring mechanism is a turd [16:06]
ascii_field trinque: i will say that we can't even begin to consider 'bad nodes' because nodes today HAVE NO IDENTITY [16:07]
ben_vulpes the question i bounced into #b-a is when it's acceptable for another node to relay a bastard block [16:07]
ascii_field because no crypto and no auth !! [16:07]
ben_vulpes yes yes ascii_field [16:07]
ascii_field ben_vulpes: 'bastard block' is a subjective thing - it simply means that ~you~ in particular cannot find the antecedent for it [16:07]
trinque ascii_field: we discussed this as well; even assuming a trusted gossipd net, there'd still be connections out to the unwashed nether world [16:07]
ascii_field and the answer is: never [16:07]
ascii_field because said block could be anything. [16:07]
ascii_field trinque: a connection of the civilized world to the heathen world is necessarily a fortified outpost run by enthusiasts [16:08]
ascii_field cannot be considered a reliable thing in any sense [16:08]
trinque blocks/txns would not be originating inside wotnet for some time, correct? [16:09]
ascii_field txns - occasionally; blocks - not afaik [16:09]
trinque would it be reasonable to disconnect after some number of bastard blocks? [16:11]
ascii_field the ~reasonable~ thing would be to NUKE the whole sync-from-one-at-a-time idiocy [16:12]
ascii_field and on top of this, [16:12]
ascii_field when your node is young, MOST of the blocks you get from ANYBODY are 'bastard' [16:12]
ascii_field because of the sheer extent of the retardation of the sync mechanism as originally written [16:12]
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BingoBoingo ergo we can conclude that radar detector makers ~deliberately~ sell sabotaged product. << "planned obselecence" at least VASCAR is nekkid eye detectable [16:19]
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ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-12-2015#1342939 << this this this, a million times this [16:52]
assbot Logged on 14-12-2015 19:10:11; ascii_field: the ~reasonable~ thing would be to NUKE the whole sync-from-one-at-a-time idiocy [16:52]
ben_vulpes still, steady state behavior deserves at least a little look. [16:56]
deedbot- [Qntra] Miners Enforcing BIP 65: Plan for SPV Miner Forks - http://qntra.net/2015/12/miners-enforcing-bip-65-plan-for-spv-miner-forks/ [16:59]
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ben_vulpes https://gcaptain.com/u-s-navys-new-lcs-towed-to-port-after-breaking-down-off-virginia << how is gcaptain such a gold mine? [17:17]
assbot U.S. Navy's New LCS Towed to Port After Breaking Down Off Virginia - gCaptain ... ( http://bit.ly/1RkDnT3 ) [17:17]
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BingoBoingo https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=145012430522605&w=2 [17:51]
BingoBoingo http://www.stltoday.com/news/legislation-targets-mizzou-football-team-strike/article_075aea21-6916-5bbe-8947-846d0fc8df71.html [17:53]
assbot Legislation targets Mizzou football team strike : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1mklMxW ) [17:53]
BingoBoingo http://www.stltoday.com/entertainment/television/kansas-city-tv-crew-robbed-at-gunpoint-suspects-arrested/article_d0fdc00e-daf9-5525-b07b-4844090702e8.html [17:53]
assbot Kansas City TV crew robbed at gunpoint; 3 suspects arrested : Entertainment ... ( http://bit.ly/1mklQxI ) [17:54]
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asciilifeform !up ascii_field [18:05]
BingoBoingo !up ascii_field [18:05]
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ascii_field hm. [18:05]
BingoBoingo I think assbot blinked yesterday [18:06]
ascii_field http://www.embraerds.com/english/content/combat/tucano_origin.asp << from the dept. of technocollapse & regression to old tech; prop fighters are... back?! [18:06]
* BingoBoingo had to reup [18:06]
assbot Embraer Defesa & Segurança ... ( http://bit.ly/1jYOJgZ ) [18:06]
BingoBoingo lol [18:06]
BingoBoingo back! [18:07]
ascii_field ;;isup trilema.com [18:10]
gribble trilema.com is down [18:10]
ascii_field https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=144994394111508&w=2 << lulz [18:11]
ascii_field 'My OpenBSD 5.7 CD arrived with a green label affixed to the shipping [18:12]
ascii_field packaging that claimed it had been inspected by some U.S.A. customs [18:12]
ascii_field department. It had actually been opened and resealed and the green label [18:12]
ascii_field placed on it to inform me of said tampering.' [18:12]
thestringpuller ascii_field: why does war never change? [18:12]
ascii_field wut [18:12]
* BingoBoingo waits for pete_dushenski to take Junkers Ju 88 out of cosmoline [18:14]
thestringpuller "So seek peace. But prepare for war. Because war… war never changes." - ulysses s. grant [18:15]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [18:21]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 445.8, vol: 13005.99259328 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 441.0, vol: 8894.14121 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 446.07, vol: 30103.41183115 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 420.0, vol: 0.8 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 457.1244, vol: 101308.37600000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 442.62, vol: 297.75261732 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 438.4212, vol: 75.05928953 | Volume-weighted last average: 453.030161813 [18:22]
ascii_field unrelatedly, [18:29]
ascii_field http://www.hpmuseum.org/cgi-sys/cgiwrap/hpmuseum/archv021.cgi?read=237068 [18:29]
assbot shelf life time of a ROM, EEPROM, EPROM vs Mask Rom ... ( http://bit.ly/1jYQn2o ) [18:29]
ascii_field 'I think it's unlikely that it will be possible to keep any electronic equipment manufactured after the mid-1990s operating for more than 25-50 years, in part due to the floating gate problem (even in places you don't expect it, because *many* chips now contain flash memory even if you don't know about it)... ...50 years from now we'll probably still have a working PDP-1, but sadly not too many working HP-35 calculators.' [18:29]
BingoBoingo fuck [18:33]
ascii_field found the thread while looking for anything like actual longevity data on EPROMs [18:33]
BingoBoingo Now we've got a fucking deadline [18:34]
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BingoBoingo !up ascii_field [18:37]
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ascii_field BingoBoingo: wut [18:40]
BingoBoingo ascii_field: Unless we move to PDP-11 and don't solve this Bitcoin thing in 20 years we will be out of machines. [18:41]
BingoBoingo Unless we start making fresh eeproms [18:41]
ascii_field BingoBoingo: the decay in question is charge dissipation, rather than whole-chip fail [18:41]
ascii_field the question is simply 'how long do the bits stay flipped' [18:41]
ascii_field answer is, apparently, 'nobody actually ever knew' [18:42]
ascii_field some 1980s devices still work. others - not [18:42]
ascii_field typically in a piece of konsoomer crud, something else (e.g. electrolytic cap) blew and no one found out how long eprom could last [18:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98450 @ 0.00048616 = 47.8625 BTC [+] {2} [18:43]
ascii_field but it would stand to reason that, if designing for ultra-long life, you might want to use multiple roms and a voting circuit... [18:43]
ascii_field so i wanted to calculate, how many ? [18:44]
BingoBoingo Still, bits unflipping on EEPROM seems... like a problem... Unless they can be reflipped... [18:44]
ascii_field eprom [18:44]
BingoBoingo oh [18:44]
ascii_field (though same applies to eeprom in spades) [18:44]
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BingoBoingo fighter jet https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/Screech_Owl_named_Fod_found_on_USS_Harry_S._Truman_%28CVN_75%29.jpg [18:51]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1jYS2oG ) [18:51]
BingoBoingo turd eating gnomes https://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=BUS1-In-Development [19:01]
assbot BUS1: A New Linux Kernel IPC Bus Being Made By Systemd Developers - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1jYSZgu ) [19:01]
BingoBoingo "BUS1 isn't being developed by just some unknown individuals, but systemd developer David Herrmann and Kay Sievers seem to be the lead (and only) developers working on it thus far." [19:02]
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ascii_field if at first the shit won't stick, throw, throw again ! [19:02]
BingoBoingo At least this means KDBUS is now dead before merged [19:03]
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jurov pity. almost proposed adding dbus to reference client. [19:12]
BingoBoingo lol [19:16]
BingoBoingo !up ascii_field [19:16]
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* BingoBoingo played with adding low-s signing to his bastard client seems to work. Prior to 0.9 Bitcoin used whatever S-came arrived at first. Then in run up to 0.9 even-S was tested. Then low-S settled upon. Malleating nodes making duplicate transactions appear in my history got to be a hassel. [19:21]
thestringpuller read that as fellating nodes [19:22]
jurov are pre-BIP-16 txs malleated too? [19:23]
jurov (reference clients accepts only them, i did not look into this) [19:24]
BingoBoingo Ones from address beginning wit 1 malleated, so... [19:32]
jurov no, BIP-16 is widely applied to 1xxxxx addresses, too [19:33]
jurov actually if you pay something with any recent wallet, reference client will reject the tx as malformed :) [19:35]
BingoBoingo I started bastard wallet with 0.7-ish branch, so it can see some limited multisig, but... should be normal tx sent out [19:36]
BingoBoingo This is something prolly ought to look into moar [19:36]
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jurov yep, part of it will either need to be backported or deprecated [19:37]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-12-2015#1343024 << how recent? e.g., works happily with 0.8.6 even [19:37]
assbot Logged on 14-12-2015 22:33:23; jurov: actually if you pay something with any recent wallet, reference client will reject the tx as malformed :) [19:37]
ascii_field in either direction. [19:38]
jurov don't know. electrum produces P2SH transactions, that's how i found out. [19:38]
ascii_field would seem to be an argument in favour of throwing out electrum [19:38]
ascii_field rather than the reference client. [19:39]
jurov that's easy for you to say, you don't touch actual bitcoins [19:39]
BingoBoingo hmmm [19:40]
* ascii_field does - very occasionally - use bitcoin [19:40]
jurov electrum should be easy to fix, that's not an issue. i'm just glad i won't have to decide this. [19:42]
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* ascii_field tries to recall what electrum is for [19:48]
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BingoBoingo * ascii_field tries to recall what electrum is for << "lite" wallet that polls server. Might be useful "on the run" if have own server somewhere. [19:51]
jurov if i have to go back to manage bloated wallet.dat, or write transactions by hand (since wallet.dat is scheduled for excision from therealbitcoin), i'll prolly increase withdraw fee to 0.2 again :D [19:52]
ascii_field jurov: scheduled for excision ? [19:52]
ascii_field IT'S A FUCKING REFERENCE CLIENT [19:52]
ascii_field if it can't rebootstrap bitcoin on alpha centauri, IT'S NOT A REFERENCE [19:52]
ascii_field ergo wallet stays. [19:52]
ascii_field i thought we went through this ? [19:52]
jurov yes we went thought this. with completely different memories, apparently. [19:53]
ascii_field now splitting it into another proggy? sure [19:53]
ascii_field iirc that's where the thread went. [19:54]
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jurov it will prolly end up easier to remove it completely that trying it to make standing on its own [19:55]
ascii_field then you don't have pedigreed bitcoin. [19:56]
ascii_field which afaik was the whole motherfuking point of trb [19:56]
jurov whatever. i know my own hand is not steady enough for this surgery. [19:58]
ascii_field the separation is a mighty gnarly job, aha [19:59]
ascii_field esp. if you want sane behaviour (wallet-over-rs232) [19:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77900 @ 0.00048877 = 38.0752 BTC [-] {3} [20:00]
ascii_field oh, while jurov is awake, [20:02]
ascii_field http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/keystore.cpp?v=asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected << or anything else other than the default - indices broken [20:02]
assbot Satoshi asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected/src/keystore.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5sfqy ) [20:02]
ascii_field e.g., http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/ident?v=asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected&_i=AddToMemoryPoolUnchecked is empty [20:03]
assbot Satoshi asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected identifier search: AddToMemoryPoolUnchecked ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5sj9O ) [20:03]
jurov ah,that. [20:03]
jurov i broke something, must redo whole database [20:06]
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BingoBoingo https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-X-Series-Laptops/Intel-AMT-how-to-disable-and-verify/td-p/661067 [20:11]
assbot Intel AMT-how to disable and verify - Lenovo Community ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5tl5q ) [20:11]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-12-2015#1342915 << nah [20:11]
assbot Logged on 14-12-2015 19:03:27; ben_vulpes: more carbons and hydrogens in the propane, ergo more flammable right? [20:11]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-12-2015#1342925 << yeah, this has been the consensus here since we started looking at it. [20:12]
assbot Logged on 14-12-2015 19:04:45; trinque: looks like the existing node scoring mechanism is a turd [20:12]
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mircea_popescu assbot:BUS1: A New Linux Kernel IPC Bus Being Made By Systemd Developers - Phoronix <<< ahahaha mkay. [20:16]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-12-2015#1343041 << a transactionator - A SANE TRANSACTIONATOR is actually pretty high up in the "stuff to do" list. [20:18]
assbot Logged on 14-12-2015 22:50:10; jurov: if i have to go back to manage bloated wallet.dat, or write transactions by hand (since wallet.dat is scheduled for excision from therealbitcoin), i'll prolly increase withdraw fee to 0.2 again :D [20:18]
mircea_popescu i'd link to trilema but apparently it's a lean monday or something. [20:18]
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jurov asciilifeform: lxr fixed [20:25]
mircea_popescu "This is C++ FQA Lite. C++ is a general-purpose programming language, not necessarily suitable for your special purpose." [20:26]
mircea_popescu lol nb. [20:26]
jurov which version is the -TEST2? asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option? [20:26]
jurov https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/net-p2p/bitcoinxt-qt in gentoo? wow that's quick. [20:42]
assbot net-p2p/bitcoinxt-qt – Gentoo Packages ... ( http://bit.ly/1MdRaTy ) [20:42]
mircea_popescu gentoo's a fallen thing. [20:46]
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mircea_popescu But wait, there's more! C++ supports a wide variety of explicit and implicit type conversions, so now we have a nice set of rules describing the cartesian product of all those types, specifically, how conversion should be handled for each pair of types. For example, if your function accepts const std::vector& (which is supposed to mean "a reference to an immutable vector of pointers to immutable built-in s [20:54]
mircea_popescu trings"), and I have a std::vector object ("a mutable vector of mutable built-in strings"), then I can't pass it to your function because the types aren't convertible. You have to admit that it doesn't make any sense, because your function guarantees that it won't change anything, and I guarantee that I don't even mind having anything changed, and still the C++ type system gets in the way and the only sane worka [20:54]
mircea_popescu round is to copy the vector. And this is an extremely simple example - no virtual inheritance, no user-defined conversion operators, etc. [20:54]
mircea_popescu not bad. [20:54]
mircea_popescu At the bottom line, throw/catch are about as useful as longjmp/setjmp (BTW, the former typically runs faster, but it's mere existence makes the rest of the code run slower, which is almost never acknowledged by C++ aficionados). [20:58]
mircea_popescu aha. lol. [20:58]
jurov in same venue, happened upon new c++11 std::random features (http://www.open-std.org/JTC1/SC22/WG21/docs/papers/2013/n3551.pdf) [21:01]
jurov the're like, imminent heat death of universe preppers [21:01]
jurov with their elaborate entropy management [21:02]
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jurov and the contrived examples...to roll 2 fair dice: static std::discrete_distribution<> /* follows 12 rows with histogram ennumerated as floats*/ [21:07]
mircea_popescu lol [21:07]
mircea_popescu well that was an instructive read [21:11]
mircea_popescu "The economic tyranny of the late Roman Empire had left a devastated polity, a culture in Western Europe that had lost its knowledge of civilized commercial practice and accustomed to seeing government not as a source of any productive assistance to commerce, but only a destroyer of commerce from which commerce must hide. " [21:14]
mircea_popescu heh. [21:14]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92266 @ 0.00049062 = 45.2675 BTC [+] {2} [21:39]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46499 @ 0.00048784 = 22.6841 BTC [-] {2} [22:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50039 @ 0.0004859 = 24.314 BTC [-] [22:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46410 @ 0.00048589 = 22.5502 BTC [-] {2} [22:09]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80400 @ 0.00048587 = 39.0639 BTC [-] [22:18]
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mod6 <+jurov> which version is the -TEST2? asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option? << yeah. [22:30]
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BingoBoingo In other news disorderly conduct misdemeanor has been dismissed [23:01]
mircea_popescu o.O [23:03]
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BingoBoingo Well, dismissed with leave, but that part should hopefully be resolved on Friday at court date. [23:05]
mircea_popescu so you comin' over for drinks n hussies ? [23:06]
BingoBoingo NExt conference is in 16 months? hopefully should have life put back together sufficiently by then. [23:07]
mircea_popescu at teh earliest. [23:08]
BingoBoingo Case ended with the compromise where I take a drug risk education course and they quit. Avoided the possibility of stupid/hostile judge at hearing/trial. [23:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44150 @ 0.00048588 = 21.4516 BTC [+] [23:10]
BingoBoingo Not an ideal or maximally lulzworthy resolution, but at $150 to retain lawyer, $200 for hearing prep, and $120 for class hosted by private party St Clair County recieved 0 dollars. [23:12]
mircea_popescu uh... why's drugs blabla involved in all this ? [23:12]
BingoBoingo Because their default reflex is assume drugs/alcohol are involved in evil. [23:13]
BingoBoingo Rest of the class was all in there for DUI [23:14]
BingoBoingo It's retarded, but also a fiat matter [23:14]
trinque .b #ub= [23:15]
BingoBoingo Case only took 2.5 years of state's time though. [23:18]
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mircea_popescu heh [23:19]
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mircea_popescu i suppose next time you send the clerk over to do derpclass. [23:20]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-12-2015#1343074 << neat! thx jurov [23:22]
assbot Logged on 14-12-2015 23:23:34; jurov: asciilifeform: lxr fixed [23:22]
BingoBoingo derpaclerk is busy whoring attention [23:22]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-12-2015#1343080 << not unlike every single necessary thing elsewhere [23:23]
assbot Logged on 14-12-2015 23:44:24; mircea_popescu: gentoo's a fallen thing. [23:23]
BingoBoingo skoolgurl https://i.imgur.com/0XKMZtR.png [23:23]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/223dE5l ) [23:23]
BingoBoingo DOS 3 is still around [23:23]
mircea_popescu French housewives were using recipes to make, along with food, glue, ink, and so on, marble grains for an hour-glass: [23:23]
mircea_popescu [23:23]
mircea_popescu "Take the grease which comes from the sawdust of marble when those great tombs of black marble be sawn, then boil it well in wine like a piece of meat and skim it, and then set it out to dry in the sun; and boil, skim and dry nine times; and thus it will be good." [23:23]
mircea_popescu Such a recipe presumably creates grains of a size in a precise ratio to a standard hour-glass neck size, thus producing an accurate time.” [23:23]
mircea_popescu dude what the everloving fuck is wrong with szabo. [23:23]
mircea_popescu he can't be this dumb. [23:24]
mircea_popescu "The origin of the sandglass is quite obscure, but its accuracy relies on a precise ratio between the neck width and the grain diameter." [23:24]
asciilifeform holy fuck [23:24]
BingoBoingo perhaps he went adlai, knows what color 42 is [23:24]
mircea_popescu first off! the construction of that last phrase is wrong. [23:24]
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mircea_popescu second off : grain diameter ? what the holy shit ? he imagines they ground marble down to molecular size ? [23:24]
BingoBoingo It's good to see someone faund the timekeeping lulz [23:25]
mircea_popescu STANDARD neck size in 1394 ?! [23:25]
mircea_popescu the russkis didn't have standard barrel size on theior fucking tanks by 1940 [23:25]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-12-2015#1343090 << sadly, pheatures like this are pretty much always implemented with pseudorandom garbage. [23:26]
assbot Logged on 15-12-2015 00:05:18; jurov: and the contrived examples...to roll 2 fair dice: static std::discrete_distribution<> /* follows 12 rows with histogram ennumerated as floats*/ [23:26]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it is to me an almost guarantee by now that pedanticism in that context guarantees ineptitude of an epic scale [23:26]
mircea_popescu i suppose the quotes above are apropos. [23:26]
asciilifeform not only, [23:26]
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asciilifeform but what, compiler is going to insert an entropy gatherer in the build ? [23:27]
mircea_popescu why the fuck would he think that the topic of origin and the topic of the origin of accuracy are related ? [23:27]
asciilifeform or we expect stdlib to have it ? [23:27]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform in fairness, if one uses a few casts and whatnot, the linker prolly has it. [23:27]
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mircea_popescu that's why you gotta write crypto in c++ [23:28]
asciilifeform wai wut [23:28]
asciilifeform only with lsd. [23:28]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-12-2015#1343101 << congrats BingoBoingo, is a free man now ?! [23:29]
assbot Logged on 15-12-2015 01:59:55; BingoBoingo: In other news disorderly conduct misdemeanor has been dismissed [23:29]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Ish. Still located in USia [23:29]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: yeah but afaik nothing keeps you there now [23:29]
asciilifeform could get on next boat. [23:29]
BingoBoingo Might take a while to get to docks, so not next boat. Some boat though. [23:30]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-12-2015#1343105 << did i miss a thread ? no trilemaconf this year ? [23:30]
assbot Logged on 15-12-2015 02:05:46; BingoBoingo: NExt conference is in 16 months? hopefully should have life put back together sufficiently by then. [23:30]
BingoBoingo remember MP is shopping countries first [23:31]
asciilifeform i vaguely recall that he did and then just went and got a bigger flat in b-a [23:31]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i got some flats in romania, too. not so strictly related [23:31]
asciilifeform well related in the sense of moar fun habitation [23:32]
mircea_popescu "To improve the productivity of the time rate contract required two breakthroughs: the first, creating the conditions under which sacrifice is a better estimate of value than piece rate or other measurement alternative" [23:33]
mircea_popescu jesus look at that, so he IS aware piece rate exists. [23:33]
mircea_popescu this may be the most confused, anti-thought essay i've ever read. [23:34]
mircea_popescu "The undesirability of servitude, from the point of view of the laborer at least, is obvious. Serfs and slaves faced brutal work conditions, floggings, starvation, very short life spans, and the inability to escape no matter how bad conditions got. " [23:35]
mircea_popescu it's not fucking obvious. my slavegirls by a fat margin prefer slavery (which is not servitude just like whales are not fish), and work a lot better than any fucking employees anyone ever had. [23:35]
asciilifeform aha but they're gurlz [23:36]
asciilifeform and that's how spamodin made them [23:37]
mircea_popescu pffff [23:37]
mircea_popescu there are two kinds of fools in this world, the sort that thinks women are equal to men ; and the sort that thinks women are unequal to men in all things. [23:38]
asciilifeform wasn't it mircea_popescu who just recently posted a spiffy piece re: herd animals and what sex the meat processing plant uses to fill a herd ? [23:39]
mircea_popescu so he did. [23:39]
mircea_popescu those herds do no work. [23:40]
asciilifeform they do in cn [23:40]
asciilifeform (and a few other 'meat + milk' systems) [23:40]
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mircea_popescu Thus second main drawback to piece rates is that they motivate the worker to put out more quantity at the expense of quality. This can be devastating. The tendency of communist countries to pay piece rates, rather than hourly rates, is one reason that, while the Soviet bloc’s quantity (and thus the most straightforward measurements of economic growth) was able to keep up with the West, quality did not (thus the [23:42]
mircea_popescu contrast, for example, between the notoriously ugly and unreliable Trabant of East Germany and the BMWs, Mercedes, Audi and Volkswagens of West Germany). [23:42]
mircea_popescu [23:42]
mircea_popescu holy shit... [23:42]
mircea_popescu i can't look away. [23:42]
asciilifeform i love how everyone always goes straight to trabant and not to, say, the tech that STILL WORKS and that i CAN'T MOTHERFUKING BUY AT ANY PRICE in usa [23:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65537 @ 0.00048888 = 32.0397 BTC [+] {3} [23:44]
mircea_popescu "everyone" [23:44]
asciilifeform almost like every idiot anglo reads the SAME 3 'sovietologies' [23:44]
mircea_popescu this guy reads like a paralogia fantastica 15yo gurl. [23:44]
asciilifeform and parrots, parrots. [23:44]
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mircea_popescu for that matter, a) the trabant was not notoriously ugly. in fact, beats the beetle. [23:47]
mircea_popescu b) does anyone have any fucking idea how cheap it was ? [23:47]
mircea_popescu i wish to see the car the us manufactures out of ~300 bucks. [23:47]
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mircea_popescu had a god damned two-time engine worth what, 7 hp ? weed whacker level. [23:49]
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BingoBoingo Apparently 18 hp, riding lawnmower class! [23:52]
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