Forum logs for 13 Jun 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

gribble	Current Blocks: 305478 \| Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 \| Next Difficulty In: 953 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 16 hours, 8 minutes, and 34 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 12475321178.3 \| Estimated Percent Change: 6.11378	[00:00]
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bitcoinpete	back to almost 96k th/s	[00:00]
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bitcoinpete	kakobrekla: time to load up	[00:01]
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fluffypony	http://sploid.gizmodo.com/holy-crap-nasas-interplanetary-spaceship-concept-is-fr-1589001939	[00:04]
assbot	NASA's real life Enterprise may take us to other star systems one day	[00:04]
kakobrekla	bitcoinpete im always as loaded up as i can be.	[00:05]
bitcoinpete	kakobrekla: lol ya same	[00:05]
bitcoinpete	fluffypony: when we can fund nasa for a year with a single btc, i say we ipo that thing	[00:06]
fluffypony	bitcoinpete: why not IPO the IPO right now?	[00:07]
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bitcoinpete	on fluffex?	[00:08]
bitcoinpete	the other real bitcoin stock exchange	[00:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19464 @ 0.0008283 = 16.122 BTC [-]	[00:08]
fluffypony	hmmmmm	[00:08]
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fluffypony	maybe we should do it properly	[00:08]
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fluffypony	distributed anonymous corporation	[00:08]
jurov	first, only and fluffy	[00:08]
kakobrekla	--	[00:08]
fluffypony	on MasterFluff	[00:08]
kakobrekla	many hater here but our statistic say all:	[00:08]
kakobrekla	7305 members with over 2175.6225769231 bitcoins are trusting us!	[00:08]
kakobrekla	and we still pay the 3% daily profit - we are legit	[00:08]
kakobrekla	--	[00:08]
fluffypony	you have to buy Fluffcoins	[00:08]
Apocalyptic	Fluffmaid imo	[00:09]
fluffypony	lol	[00:09]
fluffypony	SafeFluff	[00:09]
bitcoinpete	fluffereum	[00:09]
fluffypony	then you can use your SafeFluffs to trade on Fluffmade	[00:09]
fluffypony	or sell shares on Myfluffyium Local Trader	[00:09]
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bitcoinpete	and buy on fluffstamp	[00:09]
Apocalyptic	where is that from kako ?	[00:10]
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fluffypony	kakobrekla: sounds like a typical HYIP	[00:10]
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kakobrekla	Apocalyptic , the best forum in the universe (fuck maddox yeah) many hater here but our statistic say all:	[00:10]
kakobrekla	7305 members with over 2175.6225769231 bitcoins are trusting us!	[00:10]
kakobrekla	and we still pay the 3% daily profit - we are legit	[00:10]
kakobrekla	o fuck	[00:10]
kakobrekla	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=610197.msg7278003#msg7278003	[00:10]
assbot	Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet	[00:10]
kakobrekla	bad paste there sorry.	[00:10]
Apocalyptic	ty	[00:10]
Apocalyptic	url says it all, I see nao	[00:11]
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kakobrekla	fluffypony you gonna do GLFSE too ?	[00:12]
fluffypony	LOL	[00:13]
fluffypony	BitcoinFlourse	[00:13]
*	davout tips some floge to kakobrekla fluffypony bitcoinpete and Apocalyptic	[00:13]
davout	let's invite flotcoin and have some fun	[00:13]
kakobrekla	floge?	[00:14]
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kakobrekla	;;ud floge	[00:14]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Floge \| The hole left behind from a penis piercing, a derogatory term for any real douche- bag (man that Matt Damon is such a floge)	[00:14]
fluffypony	Flogecoin of course	[00:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32100 @ 0.00082576 = 26.5069 BTC [-] {2}	[00:14]
fluffypony	or that...	[00:14]
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davout	<+fluffypony> Flogecoin of course <<< this	[00:17]
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davout	floge -> "The hole left behind from a penis piercing" <<< don't forget to floss!	[00:18]
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fluffypony	LOL	[00:20]
bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu: fluffypony you spend entirely too much time on usagi. << is that possible?	[00:20]
fluffypony	so after S.LIMBS I think mircea_popescu is going to have to do an F.LUFFY	[00:20]
bitcoinpete	laugh a day...	[00:20]
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bitcoinpete	f.luffy: the enterprise solution for the starship enterprise	[00:21]
fluffypony	LOL	[00:21]
dub	f.luffer a spinoff from klyemax	[00:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.00082988 = 24.2325 BTC [+] {2}	[00:22]
bitcoinpete	spaceporn	[00:23]
bitcoinpete	now we're talking	[00:23]
Apocalyptic	dat klye...	[00:23]
bitcoinpete	we can americanize that japanese shit	[00:23]
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jurov	africanize	[00:24]
jurov	like, hentai with black characters?	[00:24]
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fluffypony	hah hah	[00:27]
fluffypony	F.LUFF - First Best Greatest Africanized Spacepronz	[00:27]
dub	;;ud fluffer	[00:27]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fluffer \| fluffer. (noun) a person in the adult entertainment industry whose job it is to give male porno stars blowjobs in order to get them ready to perform. Where's my ...	[00:27]
davout	dub: lmao	[00:28]
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bitcoinpete	jurov: precisely. then sell it back to the chinese civilizers there	[00:30]
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benkay	http://www.usmarshals.gov/assets/2014/bitcoins/	[00:33]
assbot	USMS Asset Forfeiture Sale	[00:33]
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mike_c	oh wow	[00:34]
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mircea_popescu	!up sHINOBI_CZ	[00:34]
-assbot-	You voiced sHINOBI_CZ for 30 minutes.	[00:35]
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kakobrekla	-assets should make a bid, like 29500.	[00:35]
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mike_c	!bid 29501	[00:36]
bitcoinpete	"On Monday, June 30, 2014, by 5:00 P.M. EST, the USMS will notify the winning bidder/bidders that their bid/bids has/have been selected."	[00:36]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla so is this bccb v2.0 ?	[00:36]
fluffypony	kakobrekla: you need $200k as a deposit just to bid	[00:36]
jborkl	mike_c would you give me your opinion of the blue blocks on bcoinnews	[00:36]
kakobrekla	fluffypony so?	[00:36]
mike_c	this does not include DPR coins, so.. they don't have control of them?	[00:37]
dub	;;market sell 29501	[00:37]
gribble	Bitstamp \| A market order to sell 29501 bitcoins right now would net 9166242.2850 USD and would take the last price down to 1.4500 USD, resulting in an average price of 310.7095 USD/BTC. \| Data vintage: 26.0473 seconds	[00:37]
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jborkl	like or no like	[00:37]
kakobrekla	no, just offer btc straight	[00:37]
bitcoinpete	;;market buy 29501	[00:37]
gribble	Bitstamp \| This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 18158.097 bitcoins, for a total of 19094927.9273 USD and take the price to 99999.9900. \| Data vintage: 45.2129 seconds	[00:37]
kakobrekla	no conversion.	[00:37]
davout	nice dip! x.eur to the moon!	[00:37]
fluffypony	lol	[00:37]
kakobrekla	its gonna be the highest bid.	[00:37]
BingoBoingo	http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2014/06/target_breach_cyberinsurance_is_a_mess.html	[00:37]
assbot	Target breach: Cyberinsurance is a mess.	[00:37]
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mircea_popescu	f.luffer a spinoff from klyemax << lol	[00:38]
kakobrekla	mircea_popescu you mean the bankster ?	[00:38]
bitcoinpete	this sale will provide some of the best price signal in months	[00:38]
mike_c	"Transfer Fees. Any transfer fees associated with the transfer of the bitcoins will be paid by the buyer."	[00:38]
kakobrekla	o fuck then we are out.	[00:39]
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mircea_popescu	"The USMS will not transfer bitcoins to an obscene public address, a public address apparently in a country restricted by the Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC), a public address apparently associated with terrorism, other criminal activities, or otherwise hostile to the United States."	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	someone warned them about BingoBoingo buying it	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla yeah	[00:40]
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BingoBoingo	lol	[00:40]
mike_c	hah! kako's bid doesn't count. i'm lowering my bid to 29499	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	why wouldn't it cunt?	[00:40]
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mike_c	he's a foreigner.	[00:40]
fluffypony	so they won't transfer it to my 1fuck address?	[00:41]
fluffypony	disappointing.	[00:41]
kakobrekla	anyway at the rate btc is going this will be pocket money by friday	[00:41]
BingoBoingo	wait fluffypony you've never seen my vanity address?	[00:41]
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fluffypony	BingoBoingo: no?	[00:42]
BingoBoingo	1LvCuntsJyFFQsLuJhBXBPokbQa7SAyMr4	[00:42]
fluffypony	LOL	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	"its very easy to fuck members serious, hard work -please dont talk shit without any evidence."	[00:42]
mike_c	i hope warren buys them all	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	scammer : here's a link to a list of registered businesses. we're the 5th	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	forum dumb : a tyvm that does a lot.	[00:43]
Apocalyptic	^	[00:45]
BingoBoingo	http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/06/man-arrested-for-parodying-mayor-on-twitter-files-civil-rights-lawsuit/	[00:45]
assbot	Man arrested for parodying mayor on Twitter files civil rights lawsuit \| Ars Technica	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	"BurtW - be honest and say the true, nobody scammed you, you sent to a other address your bitcoins"	[00:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00082565 = 14.1186 BTC [-]	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	burt is kinda putting the elbow grease in huh	[00:46]
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BingoBoingo	Where is this conversation like thing?	[00:47]
BingoBoingo	Actual auction dealbreaker "All interested parties must first register with the USMS."	[00:49]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo it's piss anyway. some us side fund will buy it, sell it to us, then lose the records. usms can suck it.	[00:50]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: And through all of this the Marshalls will be powerless to keep the coins from vulgar addresses that have yet to be imagined.	[00:52]
fluffypony	"We are in violent agreement."	[00:53]
fluffypony	lol	[00:53]
Apocalyptic	I don't even...	[00:55]
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pankkake	davout: but no VIP section?	[00:56]
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pankkake	wow btc going down	[00:56]
TheNewDeal	I hope the price drops like a rock until that auction then just skyrockets back up	[00:57]
pankkake	understandable, no one should take their users serisously	[00:57]
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pankkake	well I bought at 480 EUR, hoping to quickly trade it. anothe fail	[00:57]
pankkake	as long as bitcointalk is a thing btc will stay <1000	[00:58]
davout	pankkake: dem sikrit sections i see -> http://i.imgur.com/wqy9zV2.png	[00:59]
pankkake	oh, so a VIP restricted thing. nothing about me in that one?	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	I hope the price drops like a rock until that auction then just skyrockets back up << lol	[00:59]
jborkl	6 in a row for ghash	[00:59]
pankkake	somehow I feel usagi knew something, and that's why he deleted his post about me "deleting" my posts	[01:00]
Apocalyptic	somehow I feel usagi knew something // I have trouble to believe that	[01:01]
pankkake	lol	[01:01]
kakobrekla	maybe he knew the window isnt real.	[01:01]
davout	pankkake: the guy is vip?	[01:01]
pankkake	I thought it was the spoon	[01:01]
pankkake	davout: all scammers are vip	[01:01]
kakobrekla	or mods!	[01:02]
davout	i really don't get the fetish -assets has for this usagi guy	[01:02]
pankkake	I'm not kidding, the majority of them ran scams	[01:02]
davout	kakobrekla: OR FRENCH	[01:02]
kakobrekla	:D	[01:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 53 @ 0.0238 = 1.2614 BTC [-]	[01:02]
pankkake	davout: me neither, they just haven't kept up with the new breed of fail	[01:02]
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pankkake	it's just that usagi is "still there"	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	i really don't get the fetish -assets has for this usagi guy << he's diligently stupid and has been for a long time.	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	our very own ito calculus expert.	[01:02]
davout	mircea_popescu: at least he's reliable	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	in this.	[01:03]
pankkake	but you know there's a guy with huge green trust that still has posts saying pirate isn't a ponzi	[01:03]
Apocalyptic	pankkake, shocking !	[01:03]
mircea_popescu	http://pastebin.com/mKui8iHr	[01:03]
Apocalyptic	the forum is a cesspool	[01:03]
assbot	Sep 05 00:10:53 *copumpkin throws usagi an ito integral Sep 05 00:12:22	[01:03]
pankkake	pretty much all VIPs defaulted at some point	[01:03]
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chetty	http://www.usmarshals.gov/assets/2014/bitcoins/	[01:05]
assbot	USMS Asset Forfeiture Sale	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	chetty logs :D	[01:05]
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TheNewDeal	chetty https://imgflip.com/i/9iu9z	[01:05]
assbot	Image tagged in lawgs - Imgflip	[01:05]
pankkake	lol	[01:05]
TheNewDeal	I'm gonna try and promote that one for the next week or so	[01:05]
TheNewDeal	be forwarned	[01:06]
chetty	lmao take an hour off and I{m way behind around here	[01:06]
pankkake	"Cash. The bid must be an all cash offer. Bids that are contingent on financing terms of any kind will not be considered." eh	[01:06]
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jborkl	davout : Usagi came up with the zero risk asset class - class a is owned by class b - class b is owned by class c and class c owns a and b so there is no risk	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal not bad	[01:06]
TheNewDeal	oh my gosh. 200k is forfeited to the USMS if you don't secure a bid	[01:07]
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fluffypony	mircea_popescu: wow 2012 logs	[01:08]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony sure.	[01:08]
fluffypony	didn't realise he's been an ass-hat for that long	[01:08]
Apocalyptic	mircea_popescu, so much pretense in that usagi log extract	[01:08]
davout	mircea_popescu: haha nice paste	[01:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.02372075 = 0.2372 BTC [-]	[01:08]
TheNewDeal	nvm read that wrong	[01:08]
davout	pankkake: didn't find much	[01:08]
Apocalyptic	Seems like he dropped it by now	[01:08]
fluffypony	my favourite thing about those logs is how dub hasn't changed	[01:08]
davout	pankkake: he did start a "Donator money" thread but that's about it	[01:09]
fluffypony	Apocalyptic: he told me that I don't even know the stuff he's working on, and by trolling I've messed up and am going to miss out big on his super-sekrit stuff	[01:09]
davout	wasn't he that guy that wanted to start some sort of pottery-related business?	[01:10]
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pankkake	if he's writting a web wallet as he claims, he will have a hard tard convincing he's not inputs.io 2.0	[01:12]
pankkake	anyway, the web wallets fails make me sad. I think offchain transactions have their uses	[01:12]
Apocalyptic	which he obviously is	[01:12]
fluffypony	when that comes up he says he's not writing a web wallet and "you don't even KNOW the stuff I'm writing that's so amazing it'll make the queen's testicles fall off"	[01:12]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[01:12]
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dub	davout: eskimobob	[01:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06992995 = 0.2797 BTC [-] {4}	[01:15]
davout	dub: oic	[01:15]
dub	he IPO'd a pottery kiln	[01:15]
fluffypony	lol	[01:16]
kakobrekla	in ltc.	[01:16]
davout	fluffypony: was looking at usagi's last posts, laughed at the "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar" pic, then i looked at who posted it :D	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic that's how 2012 was all around. that's how people like hearn and maxwell ended up with the notion they're useful or whatever.	[01:17]
fluffypony	davout: sometimes I'm inspired to troll :-P	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	my favourite thing about those logs is how dub hasn't changed << yup he still delivers.	[01:17]
davout	hory shet, last trade at 411 EUR on BC	[01:17]
pankkake	why can't you manipulate the price davout :(	[01:17]
pankkake	or at least tell me in advance	[01:17]
pankkake	scam!	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	lol	[01:18]
kakobrekla	ask me	[01:18]
davout	pankkake: go introduce yourself in the losers thread i guess	[01:18]
TheNewDeal	;;ticker	[01:18]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 558.02, Best ask: 560.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.98000, Last trade: 555.55, 24 hour volume: 16603.12684761, 24 hour low: 555.55, 24 hour high: 630.36, 24 hour vwap: 602.737963932	[01:18]
davout	XD	[01:18]
TheNewDeal	oooo loving it	[01:18]
kakobrekla	i unloaded some at 480	[01:18]
kakobrekla	need to buy a new fridge.	[01:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.249 = 1.743 BTC [-] {2}	[01:18]
mike_c	who wants to buy a spy house?	[01:20]
mike_c	http://www.usmarshals.gov/news/chron/2013/041213.htm	[01:20]
assbot	U.S. Marshals Selling Russian Spy House in New Jersey	[01:20]
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mthreat	i'm not sure which is funner to look at, bitpremier or US Marshals	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	lol	[01:21]
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mircea_popescu	The house is listed for sale at $444,900 through Fast Track Real Estate Co. of Waldwick, N.J. Built in 1950, the 1,830 square-foot house has four bedrooms, one and a half bathrooms, a recently-updated kitchen, a garage and an unfinished basement.	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	ill be damned if i pay half a million paperthings for something with "one and a half" bathrooms	[01:22]
mike_c	no no, you just pay $10k and live a life of indentured servitude to the bank.	[01:23]
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Azelphur	I'm just imagining a bathroom with a half-cylinder toilet and 50% of a shower	[01:23]
mike_c	is this not a thing outside US? half-bath means no shower.	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	mike_c 4 bedrooms, that's what, between 6 and 12 people ?	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	mike_c all us baths are half baths to begin with	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	no bidet	[01:24]
mike_c	hehe	[01:24]
Azelphur	mike_c: never heard that in UK, also we generally have no bathrooms without a shower, usually it's the bath that gets dropped	[01:24]
mike_c	4 bedrooms to me means: master bdrm (2 people), two kids room (2 people), and an office.	[01:25]
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mircea_popescu	so it's 4 rooms basically.	[01:25]
mike_c	well, four walled off rooms with doors.	[01:26]
mike_c	then living room/dining room/kitchen/laundry room, etc.	[01:26]
mike_c	plus a basement! it's a steal.	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	i dun see it.	[01:26]
Apocalyptic	unfinished	[01:26]
mike_c	montclair is ritzy. pricey town.	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	what's so ritzy about it ? seems a dorm town like any other	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	does it have some world class cabaret i never heard of or something ?	[01:28]
mike_c	it's got old money. enormous mansions.	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	yes but what's that do for me ?	[01:29]
mike_c	you get to mow their lawns for money.	[01:29]
mike_c	plus the schools are good (comparatively), etc.	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	so basically this is a parent scam thing.	[01:30]
mike_c	yes	[01:30]
mike_c	parents and russian spies	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	"come live in this shitty house that's overpriced instead of underpriced as it should be, because you pay less-than-class for out-of-class items, always. just so you can imagine your kids get better education"	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	if people used the noggin, a 10k house in a neighbourhood with 30k average houses would sell for 9 not for 11	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	it can be 11 when it's in the 3k average neighbourhood	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	(and is, for that matter)	[01:31]
mike_c	here 10k house in 30k neighborhood sells for 25	[01:32]
mike_c	and 10k house in 3k neighborhood sells for 5	[01:33]
davout	mike_c: "you get to mow their lawns for money." <<< or feincoin	[01:33]
dub	here 10k hours in 30k hood sells for 90k	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	and 10k house in 3k neighborhood sells for 5 < no it doesn't	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	all the best-in-class mansions are overpriced for being best-in-class	[01:33]
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mircea_popescu	you think the guy with the "largest house in north hollywood" is taking a discount because it's so big ?	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	he expects (and gets) a premium	[01:34]
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[]bot	Bet placed: 2.5 BTC for No on "Bitcoin price above $800 before July" http://bitbet.us/bet/799/ Odds: 21(Y):79(N) by coin, 28(Y):72(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.06199681 BTC. Current weight: 17,391.	[01:36]
pankkake	gay	[01:37]
fluffypony	lame	[01:37]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SHA] 5 @ 0.042 = 0.21 BTC	[01:37]
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TheNewDeal	sketchy bet made it past the mods http://bitbet.us/bet/901/fifa-world-cup-2014-goal-in-under-10/#c3060	[01:41]
assbot	BitBet - FIFA World Cup 2014: goal in under 10 mins :: 0.09 B (68%) on Yes, 0.04 B (32%) on No \| closing in 3 weeks 5 days \| weight: 96`193 (100`000 to 1)	[01:41]
TheNewDeal	oh my price is just jumping around, so fun	[01:44]
pankkake	0031 penguirker> .131 BTC @ 406.00 EUR ▼ 24H LOW	[01:46]
pankkake	0045 penguirker> .120 BTC @ 445.00 EUR ▲	[01:46]
pankkake	lol bitcoin-central liquidity	[01:46]
pankkake	0046 penguirker> .200 BTC @ 415.00 EUR ▼	[01:46]
kakobrekla	bitcoin central is not scammy enough, no vol.	[01:47]
mike_c	nobody made that ISIL takes baghdad bet huh. looking interesting.	[01:48]
fluffypony	pankkake: you're supposed to follow that up with "b-c is bankrupt! forum mod is scammerz!"	[01:49]
pankkake	but forum mod is scammer	[01:49]
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benkay	;;ticker	[01:52]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 575.5, Best ask: 575.61, Bid-ask spread: 0.11000, Last trade: 575.61, 24 hour volume: 21827.38410632, 24 hour low: 550.61, 24 hour high: 630.36, 24 hour vwap: 595.568343633	[01:52]
davout	pankkake: 15 EUR spread, looks legit	[01:53]
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davout	the advantage is that everybody knows bc is definitely not faking volume :D	[01:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5879 @ 0.00082574 = 4.8545 BTC [+]	[01:54]
penguirker	New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/butterflylabs-deploying-cloud-mining-next-week-imperial-card-needs-additional-revisions/	[01:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 21 @ 0.02341 = 0.4916 BTC [+]	[01:57]
BingoBoingo	;;bc,stats	[01:57]
gribble	Current Blocks: 305489 \| Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 \| Next Difficulty In: 942 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 13 hours, 46 minutes, and 30 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 12463166408.2 \| Estimated Percent Change: 6.01039	[01:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0023302 = 0.233 BTC [-]	[01:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 63 @ 0.0231492 = 1.4584 BTC [-] {4}	[02:00]
TheNewDeal	LO	[02:01]
TheNewDeal	:O	[02:01]
TheNewDeal	using $615 predrop and $580 current price, the US Marshalls has lost approximately $1 Million USD since their announcement a few hours ago.	[02:02]
benkay	nobody ever accused a bureaucrat of understanding the implications of their actions except maybe mircea_popescu	[02:03]
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benkay	;;google regulator disproportionate	[02:03]
gribble	USFDA penalties on Indian pharma cos disproportionate, Anand ...: ; Issues In Regulating the Price Level - Regulation Body of Knowledge: ; India says US FDA imposed (1 more message)	[02:03]
mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal wasn't it more like 650 ?	[02:03]
benkay	;;google regulator disproportionate trilema	[02:03]
gribble	World Energy Trilemma - World Energy Council: ; Notification of close period, value programme and household ...: ; Full-year results statement - (1 more message)	[02:03]
benkay	eh	[02:03]
BingoBoingo	http://www.clickhole.com/blogpost/its-time-publicly-execute-ronald-mcdonald-239	[02:04]
assbot	Its Time To Publicly Execute Ronald McDonald · Clickhole	[02:04]
mike_c	don't tweet that link, you'll get banned	[02:04]
pankkake	I was one of the few kids that never went to mcdonalds	[02:06]
pankkake	and since I wasn't brainwashed early, I can't make it past the smell	[02:06]
pankkake	I'm not sure it's smell. it's like greasy air	[02:07]
pankkake	you can sense humidity, and you can sense greasidity	[02:07]
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fluffypony	lol	[02:08]
fluffypony	greasidity	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	pankkake> I'm not sure it's smell. it's like greasy air << it's the smell. boiled hooves.	[02:09]
pankkake	I used to walk past a mcdo every day. it was like 100 meters away, but it was down to the road I was on - it fucking stinked	[02:11]
pankkake	working there = worst than a nuclear plant	[02:12]
BingoBoingo	At least the nuclear plant acknowledges they handle hazardous substances.	[02:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88687 @ 0.00081908 = 72.6417 BTC [-] {4}	[02:13]
pankkake	exactly	[02:13]
kakobrekla	eh, bigmac is only mildly radioactive.	[02:13]
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kakobrekla	you dont even have to clean your teeth with http://www.dvorak.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/510doramad.png afterwards	[02:15]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[02:16]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 555.35, Best ask: 556.32, Bid-ask spread: 0.97000, Last trade: 555.0, 24 hour volume: 23591.28559995, 24 hour low: 550.0, 24 hour high: 630.36, 24 hour vwap: 593.12308676	[02:16]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 10 / 600	[02:16]
gribble	0.0166666666667	[02:16]
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fluffypony	http://pastebin.com/ufNLW7xZ	[02:23]
assbot	My risk assessment of Bitstamp - Pastebin.com	[02:23]
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kakobrekla	takes them a long time to do 1+1	[02:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.070706 = 0.9192 BTC [+]	[02:27]
mircea_popescu	mike_c http://trilema.com/2014/introducing-the-d-series/ there it is	[02:29]
assbot	Introducing the D. series pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[02:29]
mircea_popescu	now what was yur prediction ?	[02:29]
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benkay	someone tweet at these jackholes for me: https://twitter.com/discourse	[02:30]
assbot	Discourse (discourse) auf Twitter	[02:30]
benkay	"hijacking in browser page search is a crime punisheable by FUUUUUUU"	[02:30]
mike_c	oh geez	[02:31]
TheNewDeal	found a good line in that "risk assessment"	[02:31]
TheNewDeal	I've not talked about Bitfinex since this isn't a sales pitch for them. I've not talked about how they offer leveraged margin trade as well as normal exchange. Nor have I talked about the p2p lending platform where people who don't want to trade can earn swap interest on USD or BTC balance. I've also not mentioned the 5 order types they have: limit	[02:31]
TheNewDeal	, market, stop, trailing stop, fill or kill; nor about the OCO orders or hidden orders. Bitfinex is truly way ahead of the curve.	[02:31]
mike_c	i was way off. even with my backup guess	[02:31]
davout	TheNewDeal: yeah, that was amazing	[02:32]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[02:32]
davout	fluffypony: fun fact, it's also run by a french dude	[02:32]
mike_c	my guess was that mpex picked up a new strategic investor.	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	what, unnanounced ?!	[02:32]
mike_c	well, unannounced yet!	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	not happening, that sort of thing. they come and line up when i say	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	not the fucking other way around.	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	gotta maintain marketplace discipline, as well as all know our own place in this world.	[02:33]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony he's also not mentioning the part where bitfinex is a scam ran by the marginally retarded on stolen code.	[02:33]
mircea_popescu	uh i mean TheNewDeal	[02:34]
TheNewDeal	hahaha	[02:34]
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mircea_popescu	"24/04/2014 Since so many people are asking privately about my opinion of BTC/USD price direction so I thought I would write something for everyone."	[02:34]
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mircea_popescu	leaving aside the part where his "opinions" turn out to be wrong, "hits: 533"	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	ya dude, totally so many people. it's like a downpour of people.	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	good thing he hosted it on pastebin with like the minimal features and all, i know of no server setups even dedicated that could have served 533 people since april.	[02:35]
mike_c	well, 1 btc ain't what it used to be anyway :)	[02:36]
mike_c	https://blockchain.info/tx/e6a777345ccb5e65ca496a1ef123710f5f17f21d695563be47d1846635cf20d3	[02:36]
assbot	Bitcoin Transaction e6a777345ccb5e65ca496a1ef123710f5f17f21d695563be47d1846635cf20d3	[02:36]
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mike_c	hopefully that's the right address and not some haxor	[02:36]
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mircea_popescu	o shit i totally forgot about the bet	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	you were nuts giving me even odds on a prop like that btw. i mean srsly, am i known for predictability or what,.	[02:38]
kakobrekla	lol mike_c , ty!	[02:38]
mike_c	it was for charity	[02:38]
mircea_popescu	a that, yeah.	[02:38]
mircea_popescu	i think we're seriously the most charitable people in bitcoin :D	[02:39]
mircea_popescu	also first and biggest.	[02:39]
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mircea_popescu	txn 43	[02:40]
mircea_popescu	there goes...	[02:40]
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mircea_popescu	mike_c when you say backup guess, do you mean you had two human language strings hash to the same md5 ?	[02:44]
mike_c	no, just i had another thought about what it might be that wasn't in the hash (or the bet)	[02:44]
mircea_popescu	aok	[02:44]
BingoBoingo	It's not unimaginable... For that md4 would have made more sense though	[02:44]
mircea_popescu	secret ?	[02:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40000 @ 0.00082574 = 33.0296 BTC [+]	[02:45]
mike_c	not secret, but haven't i been wrong enough today? :)	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	hehe k	[02:45]
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mircea_popescu	im curious as a cat what can you ask of me.	[02:46]
mike_c	now i'm thinking about how to combine x.eur and d.bpay..	[02:46]
mike_c	but i guess they are both short BTC	[02:46]
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mircea_popescu	so buy one sell the other logically	[02:47]
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mike_c	can't sell either	[02:47]
mike_c	i can't create either one	[02:47]
mircea_popescu	bitch @davout, iirc he had some method	[02:48]
davout	not for dirty muricans	[02:48]
mircea_popescu	or borrow from someone who holds either	[02:48]
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mike_c	after all the nice things i said about frenchies today.	[02:49]
penguirker	New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/introducing-the-d-series/	[02:49]
davout	mike_c: :3	[02:49]
davout	that was the first thought i had when reading the d.bpay example	[02:49]
davout	buying it would be at the same time betting on bitpay's success and against btc appreciation	[02:50]
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mircea_popescu	;;seen bugpowder	[02:50]
gribble	bugpowder was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 13 weeks, 6 days, 21 hours, 26 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: Whee... http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/profile/SatoshiNakamoto	[02:50]
mircea_popescu	davout the people who invested in bitpay took the same bet really.	[02:51]
mircea_popescu	instead of buying btc for their 30mn.	[02:51]
mircea_popescu	leaving aside the fact that they very well can't buy even 10mn worth of btc.	[02:51]
davout	how did people bet against btc by investing in bitpay?	[02:51]
mike_c	well they can now.	[02:51]
mike_c	;;calc 30000 * [ticker --last]	[02:51]
gribble	17237400	[02:52]
mircea_popescu	davout the same way you would by investing in bitpay.	[02:52]
davout	i'm either understanding this wrong, or parsing it wrong	[02:52]
davout	hopefully if i do both i benefit from double negative	[02:52]
mike_c	like you just said.. it's a bet on bitpay and against btc appreciation.	[02:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3321 @ 0.00082574 = 2.7423 BTC [+]	[02:53]
davout	you mean it's betting against btc because you pick a bitpay investment over a btc investment?	[02:53]
mike_c	right.	[02:53]
mircea_popescu	davout yes, because they're fuckwitted leeches and instead of helping grow btc they just try to leech it for fiat profit.	[02:53]
mircea_popescu	much like mtgox in its heyday.	[02:54]
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nubbins`	^	[02:54]
davout	i was understanding this a bit differently	[02:54]
kakobrekla	stamp is doing same.	[02:54]
mircea_popescu	sure.	[02:54]
mircea_popescu	davout i know. that's kinda how the mpex synthetics ruin the life of these people : they make understanding what's going on so much easier.	[02:55]
davout	the way i was understanding it was "investing in potato crops is betting against btc appreciation" or at least depreciation of btc relative to potato crops	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	right	[02:56]
mircea_popescu	mike_c also, this is a dilemma crafted for your shoesize. so, reits are bad right ? how about seits ? where s stands for ... shit i guess.	[02:56]
davout	right as in "you got it" or right as in "oh god, where do we start?"	[02:56]
mircea_popescu	"not even real" estate.	[02:56]
mircea_popescu	davout right as in what you say is true but it doesn't have much to do with the previous	[02:56]
mike_c	i will be interested to see how low you have to sell it to get buyers	[02:57]
mircea_popescu	i'm not incentivised to sell it too low, i don't need the liquidity.	[02:57]
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mircea_popescu	it's sufficient for my strategic needs for it to be under par.	[02:57]
davout	for all you know they might be keeping fees in btc, no?	[02:57]
mircea_popescu	davout sure. so ?	[02:58]
davout	that'd imply a correlation between their value and the btc fiat rate	[02:58]
mircea_popescu	only to the most naive of perspectives.	[02:58]
mircea_popescu	obviously they're not cash-positive if they need 30mn now on top of the 10mn before and the 2.8mn before that or w/e it was.	[02:59]
mike_c	if they were profitable enough they wouldn't have taken investment..	[02:59]
mike_c	damnit	[02:59]
mircea_popescu	they're just neobee in slow motion basically.	[02:59]
mircea_popescu	lol	[02:59]
mircea_popescu	mike_c and notice that my lines are so very much longer too :D	[02:59]
mike_c	i was doing something else	[02:59]
mircea_popescu	so was i	[02:59]
mircea_popescu	and she just came	[02:59]
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[]bot	Bet placed: 4 BTC for No on "BTC worth over $5000 before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/716/ Odds: 32(Y):68(N) by coin, 35(Y):65(N) by weight. Total bet: 17.30076814 BTC. Current weight: 54,089.	[03:00]
mike_c	fwiw, they seem to have better management than neobee	[03:00]
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mike_c	but that is saying very little	[03:00]
mircea_popescu	mike_c sure. hence the slow motion.	[03:00]
mike_c	yeah	[03:00]
mircea_popescu	i don't even recall, did they publish their total processed / gross fees for q1 ? 2013 ? anything ?	[03:01]
davout	well maybe the reason for taking investment is not that they're unprofitable, but that they need it to grow faster, am i missing something obvious to discrimnate between those two?	[03:01]
mike_c	what about acquisitions? that is a common exit path and could make money for fiat investors.	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	i know they keep derping about how merchants went from 4k to 40k, but... w/e	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	davout yes, the neobee connection	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	mike_c private acquisition is also scam.	[03:01]
mike_c	davout: point is they aren't cash-flow positive, so they can't be socking away a pile of btc.	[03:02]
mircea_popescu	for that matter, in no acquihire do the investors see a dime	[03:02]
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mike_c	no acquihire, sure. but there are profitable acquisitions (for the acquiree)	[03:02]
davout	mike_c: they published the figures?	[03:02]
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mircea_popescu	mike_c they're rare.	[03:02]
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mike_c	davout: they are spending more than they make. this is why they need investment. be it for growth, does not matter. they are still spending more then they make.	[03:03]
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mike_c	mircea_popescu: see whatsapp	[03:03]
davout	mike_c: yeah, i understand "cash-flow negative" :D	[03:03]
mircea_popescu	the best construction for btc value conservation is if their management is good enough to copy s.mg, and basically they just take the investment turn it to btc and wait	[03:03]
mircea_popescu	this we know they're not doing.	[03:03]
BingoBoingo	First they call MP a pornographer, then they call him a scammer, later the ignore him... Next they call MP a witch?	[03:04]
davout	the question i'm asking is "how do you know?"	[03:04]
mike_c	because they keep taking investments. you don't sell pieces of your company for money you don't need.	[03:04]
mircea_popescu	mike_c yeah ok, sure. facebook is paying 20bn for bitpay because gallipi & his sister gave zuck such good rusty trombones.	[03:04]
davout	mike_c: makes sense, ty!	[03:05]
mircea_popescu	lol on 5th pass	[03:05]
TheNewDeal	this is going horrible. Just tossed some chicken on the stove and now I have to take a shit. Running around the kitchen trying to hold everything in before I can flip	[03:05]
mircea_popescu	be sure to take the time to type	[03:05]
TheNewDeal	need something to concentrate on. refuse to flip chicken early	[03:05]
mircea_popescu	do you know what peristalsis means ?	[03:06]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo shouldn't it be wizard ?	[03:06]
mircea_popescu	i'm not a woman	[03:06]
fluffypony	bed time, yo	[03:06]
fluffypony	night all	[03:07]
mircea_popescu	later	[03:07]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: But they refuse to acknowledge that as well	[03:07]
davout	aren't there legitimate cases where companies need to raise repeatedly because their current positive cash-flow is not sufficient to address the market as it could be addressed?	[03:08]
mircea_popescu	hm i guess you're right	[03:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00082963 = 25.5526 BTC [+] {2}	[03:08]
mircea_popescu	davout in theory.	[03:08]
davout	i guess not for bitpay	[03:08]
davout	you don't need 10x more engineers to process 10x more payments	[03:08]
mircea_popescu	once they start laying down rail track and optic fiber...	[03:08]
davout	i guess that's closer to what you were explaining initially	[03:10]
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davout	just had a look at their "team" page	[03:15]
davout	31 employees	[03:16]
davout	they must be burning quite some cash	[03:16]
nubbins`	^	[03:17]
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mircea_popescu	from what i hear this 30mn bought them a lease on life worth about a year.	[03:17]
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kakobrekla	wheres the easiest to check btc price for june 2012	[03:18]
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kakobrekla	o wait nvm	[03:19]
ThickAsThieves	i dunno, this concept of bitcoin services doing a NASDAQ/NYSE IPO, seems somehow naturally unlikely	[03:19]
midnightmagic	also, on that team page, manuel araoz builds software that attacks bitcoin	[03:19]
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asciilifeform	S.FUSSA!	[03:20]
*	ThickAsThieves scrapes asciilifeform from the ground.	[03:20]
asciilifeform	('former')	[03:20]
mircea_popescu	hm ?	[03:20]
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BingoBoingo	Another problem with Bitpay is they have a habit of hiring "names" http://www.coindesk.com/elizabeth-ploshay-joins-bitpay/	[03:20]
assbot	Bitcoin Foundation Board Member Elizabeth Ploshay Joins BitPay	[03:20]
ThickAsThieves	oh geez...	[03:20]
davout	mircea_popescu: well, if you count $10k/month/person that's like 3.6mn/year in salary, that's not that much compared to what they raised, and they haven't been 30 for that long o a time i'd assume	[03:20]
ThickAsThieves	she did seem to be a decent little worker bee for btcf at the conference	[03:21]
midnightmagic	inb4 someone finds englund's rehire	[03:21]
ThickAsThieves	but i cant imagine what she;d offer bitpay	[03:21]
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BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: Continued BTCFundnation goodwill...	[03:21]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/ set to 2 years load raw data ?	[03:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.2421 = 0.7263 BTC [-]	[03:21]
assbot	Bitcoin Charts / Charts	[03:21]
dub	she seemed retarded in the 'election' interview	[03:21]
Apocalyptic	heh	[03:21]
mircea_popescu	inb4 someone finds englund's rehire << lol k/	[03:22]
nubbins`	^^	[03:22]
kakobrekla	i found that rtbtc goes back enough	[03:22]
ThickAsThieves	<+BingoBoingo> ThickAsThieves: Continued BTCFundnation goodwill... /// isnt bitpay already a plutonium level supernode sponsor member?	[03:22]
mircea_popescu	lol	[03:22]
kakobrekla	also check this out, 2 years or derping	[03:22]
kakobrekla	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86854.msg7279537#msg7279537	[03:22]
assbot	[NastyFans.org] NASTY MINING \| POOL \| COINS	[03:22]
kakobrekla	60% loss	[03:22]
kakobrekla	if my maff is right.	[03:22]
mircea_popescu	lol	[03:23]
bloctoc	if bitpay takes 3 days to receive the fiat. That's a loan essentially in BTC to be repaid in USD. so, they're shorting btc and will always be shorting the bigger they get.	[03:23]
mircea_popescu	kinda	[03:23]
ThickAsThieves	meh	[03:23]
ThickAsThieves	a flimsy point	[03:23]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: re: ad-hoc ir spectrometer discussion: no dice. not that you can't train, e.g. neural net to distinguish mdma from shoe polish - you can. but the objective of identifying synthesis byproducts (basement lab folks rarely bother with recrystallization) - this one takes actual brains.	[03:23]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it's a toy.	[03:24]
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ThickAsThieves	ascii, i finished anathem, thanks	[03:24]
asciilifeform	a toy that will hasten the owner's death, if used as theorized here	[03:24]
asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: fun	[03:24]
mircea_popescu	the owner is already swallowing random dusts from strangers.	[03:25]
mircea_popescu	hard to hasten	[03:25]
asciilifeform	'risk homeostasis'	[03:25]
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mircea_popescu	mircea_popescu: well, if you count $10k/month/person that's like 3.6mn/year in salary, that's not that much compared to what they raised, and they haven't been 30 for that long o a time i'd assume << you know the donner party also wasn't as large before as it was at the point it starved to death.	[03:26]
ThickAsThieves	and to whomever recommended Antifragile, it was exactly the next book I was looking for, great so far	[03:26]
mircea_popescu	it is a great book	[03:26]
asciilifeform	so far my favourite taleb is that link mp posted earlier	[03:27]
ThickAsThieves	it puts into words concepts ive always kinda had theories about	[03:27]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yeah this is an interesting point. people believe [because they're trained in school to believe and they never examine it ?] that the "proper" form is and they're at their best in book form	[03:28]
davout	mircea_popescu: donner?	[03:28]
mircea_popescu	whereas an uncombed, out of bed appearance like those notes is actually better according to the readers	[03:28]
mircea_popescu	which is kinda why blogs beat books.	[03:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.24001 BTC [-]	[03:28]
mircea_popescu	davout some dudes, tried to traverse the utah salt marshes, died.	[03:29]
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mircea_popescu	and this is perhaps the first time i used "dude" in its proper fucking sense in this chan. go me.	[03:29]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2014&bots=true#548272	[03:29]
assbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[03:29]
asciilifeform	^ earlier discussion of items like the taleb notes	[03:29]
davout	mircea_popescu: tried dictionary, should've tried wikipedia instead XD	[03:29]
mircea_popescu	i dare say the taleb notes and the gangue of great minds found at their burial are not the same	[03:30]
ThickAsThieves	thx	[03:30]
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asciilifeform	quite true, not the same. which is why it's a crying shame gauss, etc. didn't get to print their notebooks while at their best	[03:30]
mircea_popescu	i wonder if taleb reads this line before he dies.	[03:30]
asciilifeform	doesn't much matter, he already 'did the right thing'	[03:31]
mircea_popescu	sure.	[03:31]
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bloctoc	I don't wish to be pedantic, but the donner party did not just die, they ate each other.	[03:32]
ThickAsThieves	i'm totally ignorant of taleb other than gaining a familiarity of his name from you guys over the months	[03:32]
ThickAsThieves	he paints himself as disliked by his peers, is that the case?	[03:32]
mircea_popescu	"IPO - 6/12/12 Seat Price: $1.54 BTC Distributed: 0	[03:32]
mircea_popescu	Now - 6/12/14 Seat Price: $22.20 BTC Distributed: 0.056 BTC	[03:32]
mircea_popescu	Thanks everyone for the incredible amount of support on this project! I hope we're just getting started."	[03:32]
mircea_popescu	ahaha epic. EVERYONE MADE ROI HAND OVER FIST!!11	[03:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.24001 = 0.72 BTC [-]	[03:32]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves he doesn't have peers.	[03:33]
ThickAsThieves	fair enough	[03:33]
asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: taleb, as i understand, bet on us collapse, raked in the dough.	[03:33]
mircea_popescu	he's disliked by the people who imagine he's not their peer.	[03:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.070706 = 0.1414 BTC [+]	[03:33]
ThickAsThieves	it seems odd to me, since so far his ideas make plenty sense	[03:33]
mircea_popescu	yeah, but his simple existence poses some very significant ontological problems to many folk in socialist academia	[03:34]
ThickAsThieves	but the human race never fails to find new ways to surprise and disappoint	[03:34]
ThickAsThieves	has he ever commented on bitcoin?	[03:35]
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mircea_popescu	nothing substantial	[03:35]
mircea_popescu	but i'd love to have him in here.	[03:35]
davout	from what i understand of the black swan, his ideas pretty much destroy the rationales by which risk is managed in traditional finance	[03:35]
asciilifeform	afaik he never penetrated the 'bozo barrier field' that surrounds it	[03:36]
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kakobrekla	ok, maff	[03:36]
kakobrekla	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86854.msg7281538#msg7281538	[03:36]
assbot	[NastyFans.org] NASTY MINING \| POOL \| COINS	[03:36]
mircea_popescu	davout asa bonus he has a lenghty list of "i fucking told you so" for various people.	[03:36]
ThickAsThieves	kako haz a sock!	[03:36]
mircea_popescu	which is not only unpleasant but in many cases quite dangerous	[03:36]
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davout	how is it dangerous?	[03:36]
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asciilifeform	good point, actually. anyone else find it interesting that the man still lives?	[03:37]
mircea_popescu	davout because to this day about half of the us bureaucracy is shielded by only the flimsy "nobody could have predicted"	[03:37]
mircea_popescu	it worked for rice by presidential decree	[03:37]
davout	asciilifeform: "afaik he never penetrated the 'bozo barrier field' that surrounds it" <<< haha, that's probably very true	[03:37]
ThickAsThieves	hehe i just read the part about he started weightlifting cuz he was worried for his safety	[03:37]
mircea_popescu	there's no certain reason for it to work for the entire finance bureaucracy	[03:37]
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thestringpuller	!mpif	[03:37]
assbot	BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021639 BTC (Total: 432.79 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021703 BTC [-]	[03:37]
mircea_popescu	and their political position is made more difficult by the presence of the millitant communists in the democrat party.	[03:37]
asciilifeform	i bet mr. t is cleaning ak as we speak	[03:38]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i doubt it. he's actually more expensive to kill than to ignore.	[03:38]
mthreat	taleb has tweeted about bitcoin twice: https://twitter.com/search?q=bitcoin%20from%3Anntaleb&src=typd	[03:39]
assbot	Twitter / Suche - bitcoin from:nntaleb	[03:39]
asciilifeform	;;google Andrei Amalrik	[03:40]
gribble	Andrei Amalrik - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; ANDREI AMALRIK Part 1 - Stetson University: ; ANDREI AMALRIK WILL THE SOVIET UNION SURVIVE TO 1984:	[03:40]
asciilifeform	^ predicted the collapse of ussr, off by 1/2 decade	[03:40]
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asciilifeform	died in suspicious accident.	[03:41]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform was he a chechen living in turkmenistan ?	[03:42]
asciilifeform	http://novaonline.nvcc.edu/eli/evans/his242/Notes/Amalrik.html	[03:42]
assbot	Andrei Amalrik Notes	[03:42]
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mircea_popescu	http://38.media.tumblr.com/11927081a4f9d472ea04992dd36e023c/tumblr_n5dkw5y7Zw1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg	[03:45]
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ThickAsThieves	http://www.pfhub.com/steve-forbes-says-u-s-will-return-to-a-gold-standard-821/	[03:46]
assbot	Steve Forbes says U.S. will return to a gold standard	[03:46]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[03:46]
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asciilifeform	tungsten standard.	[03:47]
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mircea_popescu	eh total bs source	[03:47]
mircea_popescu	forbes didn't say that.	[03:47]
mircea_popescu	wait. he did ?!	[03:49]
ThickAsThieves	“Somebody can’t go and use a whole bunch of our patents but then sue us for using one of theirs,” Musk said “That seems like it wouldn’t be a very nice thing to do.”	[03:49]
mircea_popescu	apparently the guy is a total gold bug. the ever helpful tardopedia : " His 20 year tenure as head of Forbes magazine coincided with the decline of the publication and the Forbes family empire."	[03:50]
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benkay	grammar question: "the time to is nigh if not upon us already" << y/n?	[03:51]
ThickAsThieves	i wouldnt accept it	[03:51]
benkay	grounds of?	[03:52]
ThickAsThieves	it's implied that you'd know when it was upon you, so surmising whether it may already be is only exposing a state of nigh	[03:52]
ThickAsThieves	the time is either nigh, now, or passed	[03:52]
benkay	lol no the implication is that knowing that a thing is upon one is a hard thing to figure	[03:53]
mircea_popescu	the time to is nigh, if not upon us already	[03:53]
dub	already upon us, surely	[03:53]
mircea_popescu	dub it's not globally warmed enough yet.	[03:53]
benkay	"surely nigh if not already upon us".	[03:54]
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benkay	implying the thing impends and that i've my eye upon it.	[03:55]
benkay	huh i seem to like this word.	[03:55]
mircea_popescu	your eye impaled upon the impending ?	[03:55]
benkay	on it?	[03:55]
benkay	my gaze upon it	[03:55]
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benkay	okay derailment over thanks gents	[03:57]
davout	mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2014#716003 <<< curious about why	[03:59]
assbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[03:59]
ThickAsThieves	cuz it'd draw more attention to his ideas?	[04:00]
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davout	ThickAsThieves: yeah, i was thinking like car accident or whatever way that wouldn't look suspicious	[04:03]
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mircea_popescu	for one, things don't look suspicious for what they are, but for what they look	[04:07]
mircea_popescu	for the other, how do you know what he's stashed away ?	[04:07]
mircea_popescu	he'	[04:07]
mircea_popescu	s paranoid enough.	[04:07]
davout	i see	[04:08]
benkay	30 employees, 30mn for 1 year of life...1mn/employee?	[04:10]
benkay	shit i gotta stop running businesses and start scamming vc's	[04:10]
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mircea_popescu	benkay also known as moral hazard, this, and why someone's gotta put a stop to it	[04:17]
mircea_popescu	this is how the generation of your father failed.	[04:17]
bloctoc	benkay - plus marketing, rent, receivables (mentioned earlier) and plane tickets for CEO to find more money.	[04:18]
mircea_popescu	actually, failed isn't even the word. we need something strong like the french rate	[04:18]
bloctoc	is the french rate that ECB negative rate from a week or two ago?	[04:18]
ThickAsThieves	https://www.fairlay.com/predict/registered/new/from-silk-road-seized-bitcoins-will-be-sold-for-600-each/	[04:19]
assbot	Place prediction on: Bitcoins seized from Silk Road will be sold for > $600 each	[04:19]
mircea_popescu	s'ont raté	[04:19]
Mats_cd03	lol	[04:19]
asciilifeform	'fairlay' ?!	[04:20]
asciilifeform	'durasell' for bitbet?	[04:20]
thestringpuller	what's durasell?	[04:21]
ThickAsThieves	duracell	[04:21]
mircea_popescu	one of.	[04:21]
ThickAsThieves	and energizer	[04:21]
asciilifeform	nope	[04:21]
benkay	no derpacel	[04:21]
asciilifeform	'durasell' is a chinese battery (with correct colour scheme) sold at 'dollar stores'	[04:21]
mircea_popescu	sincerest form of flattery and all that.	[04:21]
asciilifeform	leaks in a few days	[04:21]
ThickAsThieves	ah	[04:21]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[04:21]
ThickAsThieves	https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/12/17845712_f5aee6f731.jpg	[04:22]
asciilifeform	i'dave panicked but russian education (childhood scraping out gunk from leaked sov. batteries)	[04:22]
asciilifeform	i also once saw 'parasonic'	[04:23]
asciilifeform	there's probably a number of these.	[04:23]
benkay	into w	[04:28]
benkay	https://chain.com/	[04:28]
assbot	Bitcoin API - Chain	[04:28]
benkay	dorp, 'scuse me.	[04:28]
cazalla	tfw too poor to own a gameboy, somehow $2 brick from reject shop didn't fill the void	[04:28]
asciilifeform	cazalla: http://demotivators.to/media/posters/2921/387985_volk-s-yajtsami.jpg << 'soviet gameboy'	[04:29]
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asciilifeform	(really wanna play? it's in various pnohe 'app stores' ! believe or not)	[04:30]
asciilifeform	http://img04.slando.ua/images_slandocomua/77316215_2_644x461_igra-elektronika-nu-pogodivolk-lovit-yaytsa-fotografii_rev007.jpg	[04:30]
cazalla	we had similar knock offs in australia, it was my grandmother who bought me brick when i wanted a gameboy with tetris and she tried to tell me it was the same thing	[04:32]
asciilifeform	what was 'brick' ?	[04:32]
asciilifeform	actual masonry ?	[04:32]
dub	lol	[04:32]
cazalla	similar to this http://northwaygames.com/wp-content/uploads/tetris.png	[04:32]
dub	I got a rock	[04:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18722 @ 0.00083213 = 15.5791 BTC [+]	[04:33]
dub	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tIhwITwhSg	[04:33]
assbot	Charlie Brown: I got a rock - YouTube	[04:33]
mircea_popescu	you poor kids	[04:34]
asciilifeform	btw i never had the 'wolf & eggs.' too l33t. borrowed from kid next door.	[04:34]
asciilifeform	these gizmos were prized rarities.	[04:35]
dub	I got actual computers	[04:35]
asciilifeform	we did get an actual computer - 'iskra' - shortly before bailing	[04:36]
benkay	i never didn't have dsl	[04:36]
benkay	now guess how old i am	[04:36]
asciilifeform	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/I1030_11.jpg/300px-I1030_11.jpg	[04:36]
dub	the one console I recall using was the old pong game that plugged into a tv	[04:36]
asciilifeform	i still remember the shock of encountering widgets that resembled actual comp but weren't programmable.	[04:37]
asciilifeform	(tv consoles)	[04:37]
asciilifeform	said 'wtf'	[04:37]
dub	but around age 6 I had my book (yes book) of games and c64	[04:37]
asciilifeform	dub: had same, after coming to usa	[04:37]
ThickAsThieves	;;later tell mike_c http://pastebin.com/qha386AV	[04:37]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[04:37]
assbot	How To Shave Altcoin! Er, Save Altcoin! - Pastebin.com	[04:37]
dub	no storage so you input the game in basic and had to do it again when your mom made you turn it off	[04:38]
mircea_popescu	btw i never had the 'wolf & eggs.' too l33t. borrowed from kid next door. << that kicked ass	[04:38]
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asciilifeform	chain.com << 'i dontwanna use the blockchain, mitm me please'	[04:41]
kakobrekla	It is true that Bitcoin outperformed Nasty Mining. Bitcoin had an amazing 2 years of growth and was exposed to billions of people. However, funds invested in Nasty Mining were spent in USD on items that are valued in USD. In fact, pretty much everything is valued in USD (or your local fiat currency), which is why BTC is valued at the conversion rate at the time of transfer to any real organization. It only makes sense to value Nasty Mi	[04:41]
kakobrekla	USD when comparing it over time. The performance we've had is astounding, and just because it lags behind the performance of Bitcoin should not take away from that. We've still managed to outperform more than 99% of the other things you could have spent your BTC on. Silver for example was $28.50 on our IPO date and is $19.50 now, yet I don't see you trolling silver dealers on here.	[04:41]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[04:41]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	but around age 6 I had my book (yes book) of games and c64 << i had one of those too	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	" The performance we've had is astounding, and just because it lags behind the performance of Bitcoin should not take away from that."	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	epic.	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	http://pastebin.com/qha386AV << nice bots mod6	[04:44]
assbot	How To Shave Altcoin! Er, Save Altcoin! - Pastebin.com	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	;;gettrust assbot unbalanced	[04:46]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user unbalanced: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=unbalanced \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=unbalanced \| Rated since: never	[04:46]
mircea_popescu	;;rate unbalanced 1 ATC fanboi.	[04:46]
gribble	Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.	[04:46]
mircea_popescu	!up unbalanced	[04:46]
-assbot-	You voiced unbalanced for 30 minutes.	[04:46]
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mircea_popescu	srsly get in the wot will you.	[04:46]
unbalanced	Thanks, it's on my to do list.	[04:46]
mthreat	mircea_popescu: this c64 talk reminds me, the owner of krakow bar in san telmo is an oldschool c64 hacker from poland. http://www.krakow-cafe.com.ar/	[04:47]
assbot	Bares San Telmo \| Krakow Bares en San Telmo \| Bares Buenos Aires	[04:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00083261 = 17.3599 BTC [+] {2}	[04:47]
mircea_popescu	prolly should have a drink with him then	[04:47]
mircea_popescu	course mine wasn't an actual c64, butmoar like a clone48	[04:47]
unbalanced	Got partway done months ago in one of my VMs, I'll have to dig it up. BingoBoingo's tutorial was a good help.	[04:47]
mthreat	actually i think he said c32, which i didn't even know existed	[04:48]
mthreat	he also corrected me when I said i'd seen a pic of him with an ak-47. apparently it wasn't an ak	[04:48]
asciilifeform	c32 << prob. vic-20	[04:49]
unbalanced	No Commodore32 but maybe the Amiga CD32: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_CD32	[04:49]
assbot	Amiga CD32 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	amiga ya	[04:49]
asciilifeform	amiga << nothing like c64. almost a real computer.	[04:49]
unbalanced	Vic-20, those were the days.	[04:49]
justusranvier	https://twitter.com/JustusRanvier/status/477251054250512384	[04:49]
asciilifeform	sank the company, too	[04:49]
assbot	Maidsafe and Mastercoin: The first crypto-coin Kickstarter was a wildly successful $7 million disaster. http://t.co/YllunlEBOZ	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	so im fishin' in rift an' shootin' da breeze in -assets. what better lyf is there.	[04:49]
asciilifeform	(not compatible with massive c64 cult install base)	[04:49]
diametric	so SR coins up for auction	[04:50]
diametric	soon anyway	[04:50]
diametric	should read scrollback, i'm assuming it was the topic for a while	[04:50]
mthreat	mircea_popescu: anyway his name is tomas, if you go by there	[04:50]
asciilifeform	diametric: yes	[04:50]
mircea_popescu	justusranvier so much lulz in there.	[04:51]
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justusranvier	It doesn't look so good for the appcoin pumpers	[04:53]
mircea_popescu	for them, no.	[04:54]
mircea_popescu	We took advice from the US lawyers via BitAngels and also local lawyers in Scotland,	[04:54]
mircea_popescu	ajajaja	[04:54]
mircea_popescu	this is like textbook dumb.	[04:54]
asciilifeform	re: c64, obligatory jack tramiel: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/11/technology/jack-tramiel-a-pioneer-in-computers-dies-at-83.html	[04:54]
assbot	Jack Tramiel, a Pioneer in Computers, Dies at 83 - NYTimes.com	[04:55]
mircea_popescu	“All issuers selling securities to the public must comply with the registration provisions of the securities laws, including issuers who seek to raise funds using Bitcoin,” said Andrew J. Ceresney, the SEC’s enforcement director in a press release. “We will continue to focus on enforcing our rules and regulations as they apply to digital currencies.”	[04:55]
mircea_popescu	lawl. they do not apply, they never will apply.	[04:55]
mircea_popescu	Jacob Farber of Perkins Coie who advises Bit Angels wrote, “It seems pretty clear that there was no intentional market manipulation. The question is whether there was an ‘appearance of market manipulation’, or an ‘unintended market manipulation’.” <<< it's pretty obvious that there was quite intentional, and quite fraudulent, market manipulation.	[04:57]
mircea_popescu	cause when you go "let's do this thing that'll make our worthless turd look valuable" that's what you're doing.	[04:57]
mircea_popescu	anyway, pretty good reporting from Kashmir Hill	[04:59]
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justusranvier	DId you read the pastebin?	[05:01]
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mircea_popescu	justusranvier the unbalanced one ? yua	[05:06]
justusranvier	To my untrained eye, it looks like certain people got a unhappy with DJohnston using their reputations without their consent, so they kicked him out of BitAngles into his own sandbox.	[05:08]
mircea_popescu	Many knowledgeable observers called the whole thing a success. Irvine’s team wound up with three million in BTC after all. Ryan Galt, an investor who blogs as Two-Bit Idiot, noted the “pump-and-dump” that happened but said the number one takeaway was to make sure to get in early when a “hot new coin-related startup announces a crowdsale.” “You better be ready to buy the second it goes live,” he wrote.	[05:08]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[05:08]
justusranvier	What's sad is the number of Bitcoin startups that were taking advice from him.	[05:08]
mircea_popescu	"startups"	[05:08]
mircea_popescu	a collection of three idiots does not become a startup through their declaration to that effect, in my view.	[05:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.070706 = 1.2727 BTC [+]	[05:09]
justusranvier	Anyway, a lot of businesses trying to get involved in Bitcoin got some bad advice from him. Some of them did ask around for second opinions though, and avoided that particular pitfall anyway.	[05:09]
mircea_popescu	byut anyway, the circus is the circus. this is why we call it the circus, this is why we despise it, this is what it does.	[05:09]
mircea_popescu	"vcs", "entrepreneurs", "consulting", "conferences", "startups", "deals", "investing" and so on and so forth till you're bored.	[05:10]
mircea_popescu	that's good then.	[05:10]
unbalanced	I was at the Bitcoin Hackathon in Toronto a couple of months back, and DJ was a judge.	[05:10]
mircea_popescu	people are incredibly arrogant, so a bunch of them getting hurt badly is good news.	[05:10]
unbalanced	I didn't win a top place... my stuff wasn't good enough but more importantly it seemed, not "decentralized" enough.	[05:11]
mircea_popescu	lol k	[05:11]
unbalanced	It took place right inside Ethereum HQ	[05:11]
mircea_popescu	listen,	[05:11]
unbalanced	By the time I left that conference I thought Bitcoin was a cult of decentralization. Decentralize all the things!	[05:12]
mircea_popescu	on one hand it's completely irrelevant who "judges" these things, just like the people running around begging perelman to take their "award" so they may say "o we gave perelman an award, please think we matter" are irrelevant to math	[05:12]
ThickAsThieves	the cult takes new forms over time	[05:12]
unbalanced	Agreed. I walked away from several folks when I began to get the cray-cray vibe.	[05:13]
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justusranvier	I tried: http://bitcoinism.liberty.me/2014/03/19/decentralized-applications-its-time-for-an-intervention/	[05:13]
assbot	Decentralized Applications: It's Time for an Intervention \| Bitcoinism	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	on the other hand, what difference does it make anyway ? not like any human being at an accessible pay grade can judge your thing anyway.	[05:13]
unbalanced	I usually give off the cray-cray vibe when it comes to Bitcoin. Didn't expect people could outdo me for tech optimism.	[05:14]
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mircea_popescu	just go to the hackathon as you go to the bar, not like you go to school. it's a social function.	[05:14]
mircea_popescu	i don't believe this crap is aptly described as optimism.	[05:15]
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mircea_popescu	this is to the conference circuit roughly what porn is to legitimate acting : the place failures go to die.	[05:15]
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mircea_popescu	if the people involved were smarter, they'd be selling detergent and used cars.	[05:16]
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mircea_popescu	!up unbalanced	[05:16]
-assbot-	You voiced unbalanced for 30 minutes.	[05:16]
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mircea_popescu	srsly get with that wot	[05:16]
mircea_popescu	justusranvier not bad.	[05:18]
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unbalanced	Thanks I was turning blue. justusranvier, nicely done	[05:18]
BingoBoingo	unbalanced: If you did the GPG guide that's the hard part... registering with gribble doesn't hurt at all	[05:18]
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unbalanced	Not sure if i can get to that VM from here. I'll take a stab.	[05:19]
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mircea_popescu	why's your gpg in a vm anyway	[05:22]
unbalanced	But before I do, I agree MP, I didn't take not winning the hackathon badly, I only said my thing wasn't "good enough" because a) it wasn't all done in time and b) my math was less than accurate. Empirically not good enough for anyone to use.	[05:22]
mircea_popescu	well that's kinda how these thons work. not enough time really.	[05:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25549 @ 0.00083163 = 21.2473 BTC [-]	[05:23]
mircea_popescu	justusranvier "Using the global public ledger that allows for multilateral decision making means that retaining financial privacy is, to put it lightly, problematic. It’s possible to achieve, but doing so is a difficult and delicate process where mistakes are easy to make and also permanent." i don't understand this part, at all.	[05:23]
unbalanced	I don't have a lot of hardware is why... at the time I was on a Windows machine using a Linux VM. Now I'm pure. Linux.	[05:23]
mircea_popescu	how is blockchain any less anon than cash ?	[05:23]
mircea_popescu	unbalanced oic	[05:24]
justusranvier	Because there are always sidechannels	[05:24]
justusranvier	And badly written clients	[05:24]
unbalanced	Carelessness + pattern recognition etc.	[05:24]
mircea_popescu	justusranvier so are there for cash.	[05:24]
mircea_popescu	talkative prostitutes and bills of sale	[05:24]
justusranvier	Cash doesn't have an eternal, publicly searchable ledger	[05:24]
mircea_popescu	according to whom ?	[05:24]
justusranvier	Is there a USDchain.info where anyone can view every transaction that ever occurred with a given bill?	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	all the cash that exists exists. by this it can be counted	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	there you go.	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	anyone capable of busting in can count your cash as well as you can	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	but you're not proposing the correct equivalence	[05:26]
justusranvier	Sure, but that can't traced its history	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	neither can bitcoin's.	[05:26]
justusranvier	In many cases, you can.	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	in many cases you can for cash too	[05:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15151 @ 0.00082999 = 12.5752 BTC [-]	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	like, if you leave a fingerprint on a bill	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	or if you get caught with series-fixed bills after a bank robbery	[05:27]
mircea_popescu	or w/e	[05:27]
justusranvier	All of those approaches you mention for cash only operate on a subset of the "address space". Graph analysis of the blockchain can look at the entire data set, forever.	[05:28]
justusranvier	People skilled in that art can do a lot more, given the improved access to information	[05:28]
mircea_popescu	i doubt this is true.	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	because correspondingly, you are forced by cash to physical interaction	[05:29]
justusranvier	This isn't even a particularly good tool, and it breakes blockchain.info mixing: http://www.coinjoinsudoku.com/	[05:29]
assbot	CoinJoin Sudoku \| Weaknesses in SharedCoin, and CoinJoin research.	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	there's little way to avoid it. not so with bitcoin	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	blockchain.info mixing is a joke. break bitbet mixing.	[05:29]
justusranvier	I'll suggest that	[05:30]
mircea_popescu	so you know, getting caught with cash in your possesion can be a forced mistake	[05:30]
mircea_popescu	getting caught with bitcoin can never be a forced mistake	[05:30]
mircea_popescu	anyway, the fact that bitcoin is not actually traceable, and all the sophistry of taint can at most produce persuasion is one of the largest points of pressure applied by bitcoin to human society. it may result in the "reasonable doubt" standard being taken out.	[05:34]
mircea_popescu	much in the way the internet has forced the brits into their first secret "trial", something they've not had in about 11 centuries.	[05:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45200 @ 0.00083321 = 37.6611 BTC [+]	[05:35]
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justusranvier	I think we will get privacy on the blockchain eventually.	[05:38]
justusranvier	Not until Bitcoin Core is dethroned as the monolopy full node implementation though	[05:38]
mircea_popescu	this boggles. what do you mean eventually ?	[05:38]
mircea_popescu	i have it right nwo. it's there.	[05:38]
mircea_popescu	anbd what throne lol. a bunch of redditards with ten bitcoin between them that keep downloading the power ranger code ?	[05:39]
justusranvier	It's there for people who are extremely careful and make no mistakes.	[05:39]
justusranvier	There are better ways of achieving privacy that aren't quite so fragile	[05:40]
mircea_popescu	so basically the idea is to make it more accessible ?	[05:40]
justusranvier	Basically	[05:40]
mircea_popescu	cause otherwise this discussion is exactlylike email privacy. i have all the email privacy i could want, because gpg	[05:41]
mircea_popescu	you're gonna tell me there's no privacy in email either ?	[05:41]
justusranvier	All the email privacy you could want? You must not want to have privacy regarding the fact that you're sending messages, nor the recipients of those messages.	[05:42]
justusranvier	Or subject lines	[05:42]
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mircea_popescu	lol because why ?	[05:42]
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mircea_popescu	an email can come from any arbitrary address you wish it to.	[05:43]
mircea_popescu	it can be read in transit by any party that wishes	[05:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.03 = 0.15 BTC [+]	[05:46]
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thestringpuller	!up chax	[05:52]
thestringpuller	~_~	[05:52]
asciilifeform	!up unbalanced	[05:52]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 1000 @ 0.00030166 = 0.3017 BTC [+]	[05:56]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i have it right nwo. it's there << rewrote btcd?	[05:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0707 = 0.1414 BTC [-]	[05:57]
asciilifeform	or - privacy. aha	[05:57]
mircea_popescu	privacee	[05:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.03 = 0.18 BTC [+]	[05:58]
mircea_popescu	speaking of which, i wonder what % of 4chan pics are steganographically loaded	[05:58]
asciilifeform	for dumb stego, easy to test.	[05:58]
mircea_popescu	as a sort of pastebin email thing	[05:58]
asciilifeform	one fellow came up with... 1 in 5	[05:58]
unbalanced	Thanks ascii.	[05:58]
mircea_popescu	anyone bored enough to run a little experiment ?	[05:58]
unbalanced	I remember now where I locked up months ago with GPG.	[05:59]
asciilifeform	(dumb stego --> generally low-order colour bits)	[05:59]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yup	[05:59]
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asciilifeform	stego works best as 'part of a balanced diet' with proper crypto	[06:00]
unbalanced	I set it all up, using Seahorse... but I have to put a public key "out there" so people could encrypt messages to me.	[06:00]
mircea_popescu	happy friday the 13th btw	[06:00]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1797 @ 0.00006225 = 0.1119 BTC [-] {2}	[06:01]
unbalanced	So I tried the "Sync and Publish Keys..." link on the "Remote" menu in Seahorse. And the warning message pops up:	[06:01]
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unbalanced	"This will publish the keys in your key ring so they're available for others to use. You'll also get any changes others have made since you received their keys. 1 key is selected for synchronizing"	[06:02]
unbalanced	It does NOT say "This will publish the PUBLIC keys in your key ring..." so I thought, "F that!"	[06:02]
unbalanced	Am I to assume that's what this key management app means in that message? That only my PUBLIC key will be sent out?	[06:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24195 @ 0.00083179 = 20.1252 BTC [-] {2}	[06:04]
unbalanced	I don't like to assume anything when it comes to crypto.	[06:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23705 @ 0.00082781 = 19.6232 BTC [-]	[06:06]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: http://www.outguess.org/detection.php << basic example	[06:10]
assbot	OutGuess - Steganography Detection	[06:10]
[]bot	Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin price above $800 before July" http://bitbet.us/bet/799/ Odds: 18(Y):82(N) by coin, 27(Y):73(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.06199681 BTC. Current weight: 17,183.	[06:12]
[]bot	Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC price to rise above 1oz of gold" http://bitbet.us/bet/758/ Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 18(Y):82(N) by weight. Total bet: 11.60773929 BTC. Current weight: 7,264.	[06:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8640 @ 0.00083207 = 7.1891 BTC [+]	[06:13]
unbalanced	Got tips from teward in pm, thanks! Trying it now.	[06:16]
mircea_popescu	unbalanced i dunnowhat it does, never used it	[06:16]
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mircea_popescu	you got no cli ?	[06:16]
mircea_popescu	!up teward	[06:17]
-assbot-	You voiced teward for 30 minutes.	[06:17]
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mircea_popescu	;;gettrust teward	[06:17]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user teward: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=teward \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=teward \| Rated since: Thu Jan 16 14:58:46 2014	[06:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22457 @ 0.00082657 = 18.5623 BTC [-] {3}	[06:17]
mircea_popescu	hm, who're you teward ?	[06:17]
unbalanced	Followed BB's tutorial for noobs about 4mo ago and got halted at this point	[06:17]
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teward	mircea_popescu: OTC operator, plus emergency op in #bitcoin, i started lurking here after seeing a +1 rating on someone for the purposes of trust tree to the bot	[06:18]
mircea_popescu	mkay.	[06:18]
teward	(OTC operator as in +o moderator in -otc)	[06:18]
mircea_popescu	;;rate teward New blood.	[06:18]
gribble	Error: 'New' is not a valid integer.	[06:18]
mircea_popescu	;;rate teward 1 New blood.	[06:18]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user teward has been recorded.	[06:18]
unbalanced	Only using Seahorse because of user-friendliness for now. Though I might figure out git next and submit a patch to their pop-up message.	[06:18]
mircea_popescu	you can self voice now, pm assbot !up once you're id'd with gribble	[06:18]
teward	this +v can last 2 minutes, but Seahorse is the GUI for user-friendliness of GnuPG/PGP in Linux. :)	[06:18]
asciilifeform	cli gpg is friendly	[06:19]
teward	i use it 100% of the time for pgp keyring management, and given I have 20 or so keys, well... :P	[06:19]
asciilifeform	why the insistence on the rodent, i always wonder	[06:19]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it can get gnarly if you manage a lot of keys	[06:19]
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justusranvier	KGpg	[06:19]
teward	agreed, asciilifeform, to be honest, CLI is my native environment, I prefer managing my keys via CLI. I just use Seahorse for generating, the GUI has a tiny bit more entropy, and I generate only 4096-strength keys :)	[06:19]
asciilifeform	GUI has a tiny bit more entropy << ???	[06:20]
mircea_popescu	anyone remember usagi's long key generating business ?	[06:20]
asciilifeform	i hear they generate beautiful keys at ft meade	[06:20]
mircea_popescu	where he had found a tutorial on the net to make arbitrary length keys and was offering this as a sort of forum-level braindamaged saas ?	[06:20]
mircea_popescu	he was going to make and export a privkey for you	[06:21]
teward	asciilifeform: might be because something else is installed alongside seahorse for entropy generation, I dunno. CLI only took an hour for 4096-bit keys.	[06:21]
asciilifeform	(they should offer a pay service! i bet chumps would flood in)	[06:21]
asciilifeform	'insist on NSA™ quality!'	[06:21]
mircea_popescu	"Given all these downsides, it should be apparent that decentralization isn’t something to aspire to lightly. In fact, it may be better to say that decentralization as a design technique is best reserved as a last resort, only to be used when there are no other suitable alternatives."	[06:22]
mircea_popescu	justusranvier groks it.	[06:22]
mircea_popescu	that's exactly what it fucking is.	[06:22]
asciilifeform	random.gov	[06:22]
mircea_popescu	".I want to see a future digital economy in which nobody is excluded from participation." "No third party should have the ability to interfere in the voluntary dealings of other people." << do you see these as logically equivalent ?	[06:23]
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asciilifeform	!up unbalanced	[06:23]
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justusranvier	Not equivalent. The latter is a necessary, but not sufficient, condition for the former.	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	i don't see why anything more is needed or desirable than the latter.	[06:24]
asciilifeform	random.gov, a kindler, gentler key escrow. sorta like lotteries as a more 'humane' tax on the arithmetically-challenged	[06:25]
justusranvier	If no third party can interfere with the voluntary dealings of other people, then anyone who desires to participate can do so, providing only that they can find a trading partner willing to deal with them.	[06:25]
mircea_popescu	justusranvier well, more like, you know, rakim.	[06:25]
justusranvier	And that's a fine condition for particupation	[06:25]
mircea_popescu	actually, do you know rakim ?	[06:25]
justusranvier	No	[06:25]
mircea_popescu	http://f.kulfoto.com/pic/0001/0007/is7P56309.jpg	[06:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12006 @ 0.00082542 = 9.91 BTC [-]	[06:26]
thestringpuller	I know Rakim!	[06:26]
justusranvier	I remember that now	[06:27]
thestringpuller	I meet him a lot.	[06:27]
mircea_popescu	i thought rakim was like the goatse guy	[06:27]
asciilifeform	seems like we've all met him	[06:27]
mircea_popescu	sorta universal meme	[06:27]
justusranvier	I believe I convered that possibility when I said "providing only that they can find a trading partner willing to deal with them."	[06:27]
mircea_popescu	anyway. it seems to me that adding anything to your latter turns the former into the latter's logical counter.	[06:27]
thestringpuller	You see Rakim wants what they call nigga technology.	[06:27]
thestringpuller	;;ud nigga technology	[06:27]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nigga+technology \| Useless, pointless technology invented for the apparent purpose of prolonging a simple task beyond the length of time it should take. Nigga Technology is ...	[06:27]
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thestringpuller	Nigga technology only does one thing.	[06:28]
thestringpuller	Let dumb niggas	[06:28]
thestringpuller	talk about dumb nigga shit	[06:28]
thestringpuller	to other dumb niggas.	[06:28]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller eh come on	[06:28]
asciilifeform	;;google naggum by mouse instead of by lever	[06:29]
gribble	Loper OS » The Wisdom of Erik Naggum: ; Loper OS » Engelbart's Violin: ; Worse is Better - Erik Naggum:	[06:29]
asciilifeform	damn.	[06:29]
mircea_popescu	If cheating can be easily detected and reversed, then maybe it’s no longer essential to prevent it at all costs and you can build it with a more palatable set of trade offs. << in fact, there's a reason business has since forever run on "eventually correct" bookkeeping	[06:31]
mircea_popescu	anyway, great blog, kinda shitty platform. mebbe pankkake adds it to teh irker	[06:32]
unbalanced	BingoBoingo, check yer email, I may or may not have sent you a secret message.	[06:33]
mircea_popescu	"Ever since the venture capital scene started talking about Bitcoin back in 2013, one of the most frequently cited comments from them is that Bitcoin is interesting for the technology, not the currency. In fact, this mantra has become so common that it almost sounds… scripted." << if you're curious as to the reason, it has to do with them not wanting to go under the yoke that's been awaiting patiently and quite unav	[06:33]
mircea_popescu	oidably since... 2012.	[06:33]
unbalanced	So secret I can't even remember what it may or may not have said, if it even exists.	[06:33]
mircea_popescu	actually nm, you get it exactly one paragraph down.	[06:34]
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unbalanced	Next up, gribble, reading on.	[06:34]
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BingoBoingo	unbalanced: Recieved	[06:36]
unbalanced	Clarification, Bingo's posts led me to Geany for message signing, not to Seahorse. http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/31/signature-thursday-geany-a-gui-text-editor-for-gpg-tasks/	[06:36]
assbot	Signature Thursday: Geany a GUI text editor for GPG tasks \| Bingo Blog	[06:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 340 @ 0.0003016 = 0.1025 BTC [+] {2}	[06:36]
unbalanced	Or if one of these sent me to Seahorse months ago I don't see it now.	[06:37]
mircea_popescu	http://bitcoinism.liberty.me/2014/06/11/bitcoin-is-sedition/ << doesn't this sound like i could have written it ?	[06:37]
assbot	Bitcoin Is Sedition \| Bitcoinism	[06:37]
mircea_popescu	course if i had it'd not have linked all the darkcoin and "insurection" would have lead to something about the serenissima, but anyway	[06:37]
unbalanced	It's not clear to me exactly WTF I sync'd with in Seahorse or where I put my public key. Do you see it somewhere Bingo to send a return message I could try to read?	[06:37]
unbalanced	Oh you're way ahead of me.	[06:38]
unbalanced	That is, you may or may not be. Way ahead of me.	[06:38]
unbalanced	This just in, people... PKI works. That is all.	[06:40]
asciilifeform	lol	[06:40]
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BingoBoingo	unbalanced: Your pubkey was on sks-keyservers	[06:41]
unbalanced	Where else do the cool kids hang out?	[06:41]
BingoBoingo	The reason I didn't recommend Seahorse is it is a pain. Geany has a spell checker at least.	[06:41]
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BingoBoingo	unbalanced: Well, there's a bunch of other keyservers as well.	[06:42]
unbalanced	Right, this is all just text, it's just potentially a ton of really-hard-to-read text if you get it mixed up.	[06:42]
unbalanced	Like if you have 20 keys.	[06:42]
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[]bot	Bet created: "World Cup 2014: Germany to net more than 7 goals" http://bitbet.us/bet/938/	[06:46]
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[]bot	Bet created: "World Cup 2014: English to net more than 6 goals" http://bitbet.us/bet/939/	[06:49]
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mircea_popescu	;;ident unbalanced	[06:55]
gribble	Nick 'unbalanced', with hostmask 'unbalanced!~unbalance@70.33.227.12', is not identified.	[06:55]
mircea_popescu	!up unbalanced	[06:55]
-assbot-	You voiced unbalanced for 30 minutes.	[06:55]
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taub	terpy teward thestringpuller ThickAsThieves Tiraspol tjader toddf TomServo tris trixisowned twizt tych0 Tykling	[06:57]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38500 @ 0.00083458 = 32.1313 BTC [+] {3}	[07:02]
unbalanced	;;ident unbalanced	[07:02]
gribble	Nick 'unbalanced', with hostmask 'unbalanced!~unbalance@70.33.227.12', is identified as user 'unbalanced', with GPG key id 123147044A6CB0A8, key fingerprint 12549201BD884C99BE652155123147044A6CB0A8, and bitcoin address None	[07:02]
benkay	;;later tell chax sorry i missed you	[07:03]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[07:03]
mircea_popescu	;;rate unbalanced 1 ATC fanboi	[07:03]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user unbalanced has been recorded.	[07:03]
benkay	;;seen chax	[07:03]
gribble	I have not seen chax.	[07:03]
mircea_popescu	aren't you all spiffy nao	[07:03]
unbalanced	Ermahgerd I fell up the stairs. Things are gonna change, I can feel it.	[07:03]
benkay	if chax comes by razz him a bit for me, he's from chain.com	[07:03]
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asciilifeform	'We maintain a fleet of self-healing, auto-scaling Bitcoind nodes.' << will they chew your food for you, too ?	[07:05]
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mircea_popescu	benkay aite	[07:05]
decimation	asciilifeform: i just got spammed by IEEE to join this group: http://rebootingcomputing.ieee.org/	[07:06]
assbot	IEEE Rebooting Computing	[07:06]
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asciilifeform	decimation: mega-lol	[07:07]
decimation	also this: http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-06-11/with-the-machine-hp-may-have-invented-a-new-kind-of-computer	[07:07]
assbot	With 'The Machine,' HP May Have Invented a New Kind of Computer - Businessweek	[07:07]
asciilifeform	re: hp machine:	[07:08]
asciilifeform	;;google orthogonal persistence	[07:08]
gribble	Persistence (computer science) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; CTO : Orthogonal Persistence - TUNES Project: ; Orthogonal Persistence - Java Community Process:	[07:08]
decimation	yeah the IEEE thing seems to be more academi-tardation. quantum neuro whatever buzzword	[07:08]
decimation	why can't folks simply "re-imagine" the legos they have in front of them?	[07:08]
asciilifeform	or, as described on my site,	[07:08]
asciilifeform	http://www.loper-os.org/?p=231	[07:08]
assbot	Loper OS » Third Law of Sane Personal Computing	[07:08]
asciilifeform	note that the hardware aspect of this is trivially achievable today	[07:09]
asciilifeform	without exotic vlsi versions of magnetic core memory, at that.	[07:09]
decimation	indeed a static global address space that is persistant and usable would be a reasonable project	[07:09]
asciilifeform	but you gotta ditch post-1970 os crapola to take actual advantage.	[07:09]
asciilifeform	that means all of it.	[07:10]
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unbalanced	While I still have voice...	[07:10]
decimation	but ascii, the article says that HP has experience with HP-UX and "non-stop"	[07:10]
unbalanced	;;later tell moiety I salute your fine nation and its primary export: http://www.walkersshortbread.com/	[07:10]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[07:10]
assbot	Walkers Shortbread	[07:10]
unbalanced	There, this was all worth it.	[07:10]
asciilifeform	hp-ux is a bog-standard (archaic) unix	[07:10]
asciilifeform	!up unbalanced	[07:11]
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decimation	pretty much all modern commercial OS's are on the BSD family tree somewhere	[07:11]
decimation	it's the original apple	[07:11]
mircea_popescu	unbalanced you can self voice now	[07:11]
mircea_popescu	pm assbot "!up"	[07:11]
asciilifeform	decimation: you must really think about this to understand the implications. a single-address space machine must... actually work. every time - because it can in no sense be rebooted.	[07:12]
asciilifeform	(no distinction between disk and memory)	[07:12]
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decimation	the cache can be refreshed	[07:12]
decimation	but presumably the OS comes on an EPROM	[07:12]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i imagine rebooting = pulling memory out	[07:12]
asciilifeform	it's not orthogonally persistent if this actually does something useful	[07:13]
asciilifeform	(when was the last time you pulled your disk's cache sram out?)	[07:13]
mircea_popescu	yes well. marketingis not intended to be that hard semantically.	[07:13]
unbalanced	Don't I need 2 hit points? Or just the one?	[07:14]
justusranvier	There could be dedicated areas in the memory space that could be hardware wiped, and operations resumed from a hardcoded address. That would be like a reboot.	[07:14]
mircea_popescu	even the most accomplished anal insertion artist, who can take ANYTHING would not survive a parachute-less parachute fall	[07:14]
asciilifeform	justusranvier: this is what's on your desk now, essentially.	[07:14]
mircea_popescu	even if theoretically the planet is part of "everything"	[07:14]
asciilifeform	orthogonal persistence is something quite else.	[07:14]
decimation	ascii I imagine your dataflow machine as a collection of various calculating state machines, called into existence for various purposes when needed	[07:14]
asciilifeform	decimation: think 'emulation of room-sized fpga' and you're 90 percent there.	[07:15]
decimation	if you had such a beast, you just peek and poke at its inputs/outputs, it wouldn't really have an address space	[07:15]
unbalanced	;;ident mircea_popescu	[07:15]
gribble	Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is identified as user 'mircea_popescu', with GPG key id 8A736F0E2FB7B452, key fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None	[07:15]
unbalanced	;;gettrust assbot mircea_popescu	[07:16]
gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Trust relationship from user assbot to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 23 via 23 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=mircea_popescu \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mircea_popescu \| Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011	[07:16]
asciilifeform	decimation: you don't need an address space as such if anything that might conceivably need to communicate with, e.g., keyboard, has an actual (matrix switched) electrical connection with it.	[07:17]
asciilifeform	that is, there is no reason why, say, garbage collector circuit (yes) needs to be able to request a byte from my keyboard buffer.	[07:18]
asciilifeform	just as you presently cannot dereference a pointer to your disk's sram cache	[07:18]
asciilifeform	and you live with this	[07:18]
asciilifeform	the brain-damage of the 'address space' concept is inescapable on a von neumann arch	[07:19]
asciilifeform	but if you have the option of doing the last 35 yrs. of hardware again - you can toss it.	[07:19]
decimation	in the end, you would only need the "address space" for permanant storage	[07:19]
unbalanced	;;rate mircea_popescu 1 Read his stuff, you'll learn something.	[07:20]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mircea_popescu has been recorded.	[07:20]
asciilifeform	only the circuit that marshalls state from the independent modules (e.g. keyboard buffer) to magnetic storage needs to know that it's a disk, and comes in 0...N 'LBA' blocks, etc.	[07:20]
asciilifeform	if you have the magnetic ram (actually available commercially, no need to wait for hp) you can dispense with the disk.	[07:21]
asciilifeform	and build the actual state in fpga out of same.	[07:22]
decimation	using magnetic ram for each of the LUT modules?	[07:22]
asciilifeform	correct	[07:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2394 @ 0.00082887 = 1.9843 BTC [-]	[07:22]
asciilifeform	not just the LUT config, but the block ram	[07:22]
decimation	I'm surprised HP isn't trying to build an fpga with precisely this	[07:22]
asciilifeform	ideally you would have some means for linearly pissing state out to a cheap disk	[07:23]
asciilifeform	on special occasions	[07:23]
unbalanced	;;rate davout 1 Sharp, made bitcoin-central, been around since forever.	[07:23]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user davout has been recorded.	[07:23]
asciilifeform	decimation: go suggest to boss: 'we need to re-write every line written since 1969.'	[07:23]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform no see, wouldn't that make perfect sense ?	[07:24]
mircea_popescu	more work, more jerbs, more grants ?	[07:24]
decimation	yeah. like my point about rolls royce just making derpy web pages would be more profitable than jet engines	[07:24]
asciilifeform	try apply for usg grant that pads no one's pocket but your own	[07:25]
asciilifeform	they like prior art.	[07:25]
asciilifeform	papers with thick endnote sections full of favourite nephews.	[07:25]
asciilifeform	etc	[07:25]
decimation	if you take the king's shekels etc	[07:25]
asciilifeform	if you take honest sheckels - gotta sell something	[07:25]
asciilifeform	or at least bamboozle vc	[07:25]
unbalanced	;;rate jurov 1 Runs coinbr, more... has earned my trust.	[07:26]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user jurov has been recorded.	[07:26]
decimation	which puts you right back into having to make friends and influence people in the bezzle wot	[07:26]
decimation	lol from taleb's home page (my best interview) http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/d538a45a-4871-11e2-a1c0-00144feab49a.html#axzz2Z2Yg5a6H	[07:27]
unbalanced	;;rate teward 1 Just met, helped me out, knows his stuff.	[07:27]
assbot	Financial Times \| Error \| Akamai Error	[07:27]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user teward has been recorded.	[07:28]
unbalanced	Or should I not be rating people I've only communicated with for a couple of hours now?	[07:28]
decimation	"What has been your greatest disappointment?	[07:28]
mircea_popescu	unbalanced ideally not.	[07:28]
decimation	That I am unable to destroy the economics establishment, the press."	[07:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30138 @ 0.0008268 = 24.9181 BTC [-] {2}	[07:28]
mircea_popescu	decimation see ? shouldn't he be here ?	[07:28]
decimation	abosolutely. he might be too integrated in the wall street wot to make new friends here though	[07:29]
unbalanced	Mmkay, so teward, I will revoke, nothing personal. Once I figure out how.	[07:29]
mircea_popescu	decimation why ?!	[07:30]
mircea_popescu	unbalanced ;;unrate	[07:30]
unbalanced	;;unrate teward	[07:30]
gribble	Successfully removed your rating for teward.	[07:30]
decimation	he did an "ama" for the redditards, and he mostly dodged bitcoin: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1aoi0s/iam_nassim_taleb_author_of_antifragile_ama/c8zb3d8	[07:33]
assbot	nntaleb comments on IAm Nassim Taleb, author of Antifragile, AMA	[07:33]
unbalanced	decimation: re: "(my best interview)" above -- you write for FT?	[07:34]
decimation	heh no the link is entitled "my best interview" on taleb's page	[07:35]
decimation	sorry for the unclear language	[07:35]
unbalanced	Ah. I was going to ask you why they print on that orange-pink paper. Don't dodge the question!	[07:36]
unbalanced	;;rate BingoBoingo 1 Wrote helpful GPG guide. May be my arch-nemesis in the ATC mines though, not sure yet.	[07:38]
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decimation	I'm just a zek, trying to scrape by in the world	[07:38]
mircea_popescu	what's a zek ?	[07:39]
decimation	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zek_%28inmate%29#Commemoration	[07:40]
assbot	White SeaBaltic Canal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[07:40]
unbalanced	;;rate pankkake 1 Funny, helpful, fights BS along with the other Super-Friends.	[07:40]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user pankkake has been recorded.	[07:40]
mircea_popescu	oic	[07:40]
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decimation	solzhenitsyn's "the first circle" resonates with me. in the collectivist us, it is hard to escape this condition	[07:43]
mircea_popescu	so why are you there!	[07:44]
mike_c	!up unbalanced	[07:44]
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unbalanced	;;rate Apocalyptic 1 Runs x-bt.com, a solid little exchange, and my money has not disappeared.	[07:45]
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unbalanced	;;rate mike_c 1 Made btcalpha.com, great tools and analysis.	[07:47]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mike_c has been recorded.	[07:47]
mike_c	%diff	[07:47]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 486512.85 in 1086 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -31.99	[07:47]
mike_c	so unbalanced, what kind of diff change are you shooting for this period?	[07:47]
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mike_c	ThickAsThieves: thanks for the dump	[07:48]
unbalanced	Hey, I took that dump. That's my dump! But thanks for the later-ing ThickAsThieves.	[07:49]
mike_c	hehe, then thank you too	[07:49]
unbalanced	Heh. You said "dump". Heh.	[07:49]
unbalanced	Regret voicing me yet?	[07:50]
mike_c	not yet. what kind of diff change are you trying to get this period?	[07:50]
unbalanced	I figure that the -25% to -50% range is desirable, as long as it doesn't fall so far someone can't easily spike it up 4x again.	[07:50]
unbalanced	But really, "easily" is a relative term so this may be a fool's errand.	[07:51]
mike_c	well, it seems like a good thing to try to me.	[07:51]
mike_c	;;rate unbalanced 1 ATC tinkerer/supporter	[07:51]
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unbalanced	I just want to make it increasingly uneconomical to try to kill the coin. Just an experiment really.	[07:52]
mike_c	yeah. i don't know if it's the right thing to do, but I do think it's worth trying.	[07:52]
mircea_popescu	unbalanced its perfectly uneconomical to try and kill the coin already.	[07:53]
thestringpuller	i kinda wanna mine ATC...	[07:53]
thestringpuller	seems fun, like a glimpse in the past...	[07:53]
mike_c	i don't worry about the coin dying, but +80%/-80% diff changes are annoying.	[07:53]
unbalanced	thestringpuller, you too can live the dream!	[07:54]
thestringpuller	call it Crypto Trail	[07:54]
mircea_popescu	mike_c they don't seem to be hurting anything tho do they ?	[07:54]
mike_c	they do to me.	[07:54]
mircea_popescu	unbalanced so in th end how much did you end up paying per atc trying to mine ?	[07:55]
mircea_popescu	mike_c how ?	[07:55]
mike_c	having a block an hour does not feel optimal.	[07:55]
unbalanced	The diff is still unfolding so I don't have a final number yet. I haven't wanted to calculate it or I might stop.	[07:55]
mike_c	i ran the numbers, but I won't tell if you don't want to know :)	[07:56]
unbalanced	thestringpuller, by "dump" mike_c meant a pastebin link somewhere above, detailing how to use leaserig.net to employ mining rigs on demand.	[07:56]
mircea_popescu	mike_c sotell me then :D	[07:57]
unbalanced	See also #altcoin... that channel needs new blood.	[07:57]
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mike_c	it's like we have discussed before. it affects merchants. it's not as easy to move coin around. this makes little difference for the occasional user, but 1 hour block time on average means sometimes 2+ hours for a block.	[07:58]
unbalanced	Rough back-of-the-envelope I'd say 400 satoshis per ATC if I'm lucky. Is that what you got mike_c or am I off by an order of magnitude?	[07:59]
mike_c	i got 371	[07:59]
unbalanced	Profit!	[07:59]
mircea_popescu	mike_c what merchants ?!	[08:00]
mike_c	and i ran the numbers before btc diff went up, so it could be better	[08:00]
mike_c	cuz the miners should have dropped in price.	[08:00]
mike_c	mircea_popescu: x-bt for one. is satoshijack still around? plus possibly some other merchants in development.	[08:00]
mircea_popescu	mike_c haven't heard from the satoshijack dude in a long time	[08:01]
unbalanced	Yes, I guess a tslb of >1hr only matters if the coin is moving around more than once an hour. Or day.	[08:01]
mircea_popescu	i really don't see th econcern. if anything, slow txn are good for a coin, they keep the people in a hurry at bay	[08:02]
mircea_popescu	the only folk it really hurts are speculators, of the redditard type	[08:02]
mike_c	JD wouldn't be happy if gamblers had to wait 1-2 hours to deposit money	[08:02]
mircea_popescu	mike_c would you take the jd gamblers to dinner ?	[08:03]
unbalanced	You know MP, I'm testing my ATC wallet. Could you send me all your ATC, and then I'll send it back?	[08:03]
mike_c	mircea_popescu: i would not, but i'd gladly take their coin.	[08:03]
unbalanced	Purely routine. Just a test. No, no need to read the fine print. Just sign here.	[08:03]
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unbalanced	See, with ATC you can relive the early days of BTC!	[08:04]
mike_c	like i said, i don't think this is any kind of life & death thing. it's smoothing out an annoyance.	[08:04]
unbalanced	Pure Disco Gold.	[08:04]
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mircea_popescu	unbalanced i don't actually have any	[08:04]
mircea_popescu	mike_c from what i recall BingoBoingo wasn't too adverse to the jumps	[08:05]
unbalanced	See this here is more chat activity than #altcoin gets in a day. Come on over people!	[08:05]
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kakobrekla	check out the maffs on this dude	[15:17]
kakobrekla	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86854.msg7289554#msg7289554	[15:17]
assbot	[NastyFans.org] NASTY MINING \| POOL \| COINS	[15:17]
kakobrekla	lost 65%, its a longterm win.	[15:18]
mircea_popescu	unbalanced: Big day for me, living la vida crypto. Thanks all. Going afk for a while. << that was lulzy lol. like kid with new xmas train.	[15:18]
kakobrekla	unrealized wins.	[15:18]
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mircea_popescu	you did twice as worse << it's twice as bad	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	worse is a superlative and for that reason incomparable.	[15:19]
kakobrekla	but he did so bad	[15:19]
kakobrekla	you cant compare	[15:19]
kakobrekla	yet i had to.	[15:19]
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mircea_popescu	lol that's a point	[15:20]
assbot	manamex +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0	[15:20]
kakobrekla	!up manamex	[15:20]
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kakobrekla	hi	[15:20]
mircea_popescu	wow it reports now ?	[15:21]
kakobrekla	it reports now.	[15:21]
kakobrekla	only if you are in the wot but not enough THRUST.	[15:21]
mircea_popescu	ic	[15:21]
mircea_popescu	;;coffee	[15:22]
gribble	Error: "coffee" is not a valid command.	[15:22]
manamex	thanks	[15:22]
mircea_popescu	it does not yet make coffee ?	[15:22]
kakobrekla	:(	[15:22]
mircea_popescu	halfassed job	[15:23]
kakobrekla	the usual.	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	"Professor Chelnov, an old mathematician arrested seventeen years ago and who, when he had to fill in a form" << why the fuck'd anyone fill a form already.	[15:23]
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mircea_popescu	derpy soviets think they're so smart, let them fill all the forms they want.	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	punkman: do I have to put them up to my ear and tap them? << if you can't hear the tap without putting it to your ear it's not a good one anyway	[15:24]
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kakobrekla	so what brings you manamex , you only got a 30 min block might as well use it	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony: are we -m again? << no ?!	[15:25]
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kakobrekla	sez +m here	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	ya here too	[15:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47737 @ 0.0008208 = 39.1825 BTC [+]	[15:26]
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fluffypony	when decimation said "test" they weren't voiced, or was my client just being weird	[15:30]
mircea_popescu	hm	[15:30]
mircea_popescu	pankkake: you can plant them and no one will check the cables every day << why not ?	[15:31]
fluffypony	yeah all my catchup logs pushed to me this AM have decimation and unbalanced talking but unvoiced	[15:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 15 @ 0.03 = 0.45 BTC [+]	[15:32]
fluffypony	probably ZNC being weird	[15:32]
fluffypony	!down	[15:32]
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mircea_popescu	fluffypony you prolly lost state at some point ?	[15:32]
mircea_popescu	unbalanced kept getting devoiced and i doubt he's yet figured how to pm assbot	[15:33]
fluffypony	yeah state could have been wonky	[15:33]
fluffypony	yes definitely out of state:	[15:33]
fluffypony	[2014-06-13T06:39:35+0200] what's a zek ?	[15:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 11 @ 0.04 = 0.44 BTC [+]	[15:33]
fluffypony	apparently you weren't voiced for a while	[15:33]
fluffypony	:-P	[15:33]
mircea_popescu	now that's not possible :D	[15:33]
fluffypony	stupid client	[15:34]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25800 @ 0.0008214 = 21.1921 BTC [+] {3}	[15:34]
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mircea_popescu	davout: how would one detect a block witholding attack on a pool ? << which kind ?	[15:35]
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mircea_popescu	if you mean to try and double spend, it'd be hard for any pool to do. if you mean, the withholding to hurt the pool, it can't really, but extreme bad luck is always suspicious.	[15:37]
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mircea_popescu	in principle tho the pools are open to this "who's willing to lose most money" attack, they could start doing it to each other (and perhaps the larger ones have done it to ensure their position already - it's disputed)	[15:37]
manamex	kakobrekla: I'm new here and looking around, browsing the logs	[15:38]
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Mats_cd03	zek is a word for an enslaved man in gulag or what have you	[15:39]
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mircea_popescu	lol the us should ban good cheese. the stuff they call cheese is a disgrace to the name, best just painlessly divorce.	[15:42]
nubbins`	!up Vexual	[15:44]
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nubbins`	Vexual: thanks :D	[15:44]
Vexual	hi all	[15:44]
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nubbins`	fluffypony: shirts shipped. holy shit, it's costly to send mail to .za	[15:45]
nubbins`	artifexd: your shirts shipped as well	[15:45]
fluffypony	nubbins`: need me to chip in extra to cover?	[15:45]
nubbins`	nah, don't worry about it	[15:45]
nubbins`	i budget ~$10 per shirt for shipping. usually it ends up being much less. yours came to $57 for 6 shirts :D	[15:46]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[15:46]
nubbins`	i know, right?!	[15:46]
mircea_popescu	dude are womenz in sa mostly nekkid ?	[15:46]
Vexual	then the postman thieves em	[15:46]
mircea_popescu	if shipping shirts costs more than the shirts it'd seem practical	[15:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 750 @ 0.00225245 = 1.6893 BTC [+]	[15:46]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: wait til he tells you about the tariffs on clothing imports	[15:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 54 @ 0.00225245 = 0.1216 BTC [+]	[15:47]
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mircea_popescu	"1) Eliminate pools. 2) Provide a way for miners to solo-mine with low varience and frequent mining payouts even with only small amounts of hashing power. 3) Get rid of ASICs." mkay todd is off another planet.	[15:48]
mircea_popescu	why not get rid of airplanes while at it, they spread germs, are a threat to diversity and make it really easy for assholes like mp (or genius chinese kids) to fly to retarded backwater places (like the us) and just take over	[15:49]
fluffypony	nubbins`: holy cowbell	[15:49]
fluffypony	is that with CanadaPost?	[15:49]
nubbins`	provide a way for cars to fly through the air with minimal time even with only a two-stroke lawnmower engine	[15:49]
nubbins`	fluffypony, yep. canada is a notoriously expensive place to mail things from	[15:50]
fluffypony	yeah damn, that is pricey	[15:50]
nubbins`	europe isn't as bad	[15:50]
nubbins`	africa/asia are costly	[15:50]
fluffypony	that's what I'd pay to courier a parcel like that to Canada with Aramex	[15:50]
nubbins`	well shit, next time send me an empty box and i'll load it up & write RETURN TO SENDER on it ;D	[15:50]
mircea_popescu	provide a way for cars to fly through the air with minimal time even with only a two-stroke lawnmower engine << i know right ? i will sell half my gasoline unless this happens.	[15:50]
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nubbins`	mp lel	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha that trick might just work lmao	[15:51]
nubbins`	half your gas?!	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	i have a bucket o gas.	[15:51]
nubbins`	i might get out of the gas business altogether	[15:51]
nubbins`	until saudi stops its 51% attack	[15:51]
Vexual	asics deter 50% attacks, it's expensive	[15:52]
nubbins`	http://imgur.com/tpF7jHs	[15:52]
assbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	"Do I still think Bitcoin will succeed in the long run? Yes, but I'm a lot less sure of it than I used to be."	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	all these derps with their tech fixation.	[15:52]
nubbins`	the quoted statement contains no information	[15:52]
Vexual	gonna take dollars 4 2.5 weeks	[15:53]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin will succeed in the long term because i say so. not because todd says or doesn't say so. wtf is this, programmer planet, where programmers matter now ?!	[15:53]
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nubbins`	if programmers mattered, maybe i'd still be one D;	[15:53]
nubbins`	(almost definitely not, but hey)	[15:53]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` some redditardation in earlier log, http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/281ftd/why_i_just_sold_50_of_my_bitcoins_ghashio/	[15:53]
kakobrekla	now he prits t shirts.	[15:53]
assbot	Why I just sold 50% of my bitcoins: GHash.IO : Bitcoin	[15:53]
nubbins`	kakobrekla, and posters!	[15:53]
kakobrekla	and posters.	[15:53]
mircea_popescu	better posters than posers amirite	[15:54]
nubbins`	funny thing is, the work i do now actually does matter more	[15:54]
nubbins`	chew on that	[15:54]
kakobrekla	true, i made bitbet from tshirts.	[15:54]
kakobrekla	and posters.	[15:54]
mircea_popescu	i thought it was two cups and a wire	[15:55]
nubbins`	i thought it was two cups and a girl	[15:55]
nubbins`	wait, no, that's backwards	[15:55]
kakobrekla	maybe a wire and two girls.	[15:55]
mircea_popescu	lol lampelina'll love thart	[15:55]
nubbins`	how thick is the wire?	[15:55]
kakobrekla	actually she would.	[15:55]
nubbins`	0000-gauge and up or i'm not watching	[15:56]
kakobrekla	the gauge is the thing that goes in reverse right	[15:56]
Mats_cd03	militants advancing towards baghdad	[15:56]
nubbins`	yah	[15:56]
kakobrekla	who came up with that shit	[15:56]
nubbins`	quad-0 is just shy of 1/2"	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	"BTW If you owe me fiat and normally pay me via Bitcoin, for the next 2.5 weeks you can pay me based on the price I sold at, $650 CAD." << so inadvertently, the guy's holdings are 5 weeks of his income.	[15:56]
nubbins`	who knows!	[15:56]
Mats_cd03	bet its done in two months	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[15:56]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 596.0, Best ask: 599.69, Bid-ask spread: 3.69000, Last trade: 596.0, 24 hour volume: 32119.14208210, 24 hour low: 550.0, 24 hour high: 628.77, 24 hour vwap: 587.301256977	[15:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00082087 = 17.1151 BTC [-] {2}	[15:57]
nubbins`	btc/cad is ~660 right now	[15:57]
Vexual	i like how the fbi made a neat little bounce	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 20 * 5 * 5/52 * 45000 / 587	[15:57]
gribble	737.124885336	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	the total estimated holdings of the bitcoin power rangers < 1k btc.	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	admitting todd's typical.	[15:57]
nubbins`	kakobrekla: apparently it's an indicator of how many pulls through a drawing die	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	(and i do believe he's typical, there's nothing more conformally uniform in the world than tech people.)	[15:58]
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nubbins`	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draw_plate#mediaviewer/File:Draw_plates-two.jpg	[15:58]
assbot	Draw plate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[15:58]
kakobrekla	nubbins` would make sense but it still doesnt.	[15:58]
nubbins`	0 gauge, bar stock	[15:58]
nubbins`	1 gauge, pull it thru first hole	[15:58]
nubbins`	etc	[15:58]
mircea_popescu	militants advancing towards baghdad << myeah.	[15:58]
nubbins`	still pretty silly	[15:58]
kakobrekla	you can tell it sucks if it cant go into negative.	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	negative thickness ?!	[15:59]
nubbins`	inorite :(	[15:59]
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kakobrekla	yes!	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	like urc0k ?	[15:59]
Vexual	zing	[15:59]
fluffypony	lol	[15:59]
nubbins`	they just keep adding zeroes until people give up and use mm	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	speaking of negative cock thickness, so the good folk here don't fucking import condoms.	[16:00]
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nubbins`	they produce em domesically?	[16:00]
Vexual	recycle?	[16:00]
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nubbins`	sheep casings?	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	cue me in pharmacy with womenz in tow looking askew at the two mds there, with a stupid novelty ladden package onthe counter. "what are trhese!?!?"	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	so in the end i order research on condoms. answer comes out that the only half decent brand is "prime"	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	imagine, i could scribble "numbers" under it and be a real geek fucking.	[16:01]
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Vexual	for 3 somes	[16:01]
nubbins`	imagine if you were to skip the women and fuck a pie	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	but anyway, so i go buy one of each type, and as chance would have it i first try the tyhing called "anatomical"	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	that thing...	[16:01]
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mircea_popescu	that thing is so narrow i couldn't fit any part of it in there.	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	fucking clitoris condom	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	who the hell knew "anatomical" is condom codeword for "i have a very small icepick"	[16:02]
nubbins`	twist: it's a combination condom/cock ring	[16:02]
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Vexual	prolly got the condom bachine on aliexpress	[16:03]
nubbins`	anyway, to quote sublime	[16:03]
nubbins`	el amigo es un condon en el bolsillo	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	lol	[16:03]
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Mats_cd03	interesting turn for the kurds though	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 whassat	[16:04]
Mats_cd03	they've been shit on for a long time, now they have oil guns and territory	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	hahaha	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	what are you, like new to this risk! game of international intrigue ?	[16:06]
Mats_cd03	maybe they'll become a nation state, the dream of all oppressed little guys	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	or maybe they'll becomne dinner	[16:06]
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mircea_popescu	the actual fate of all opressed little guys	[16:06]
nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/internet-privacy-decision-by-supreme-court-comes-today-1.2673823	[16:06]
assbot	Internet privacy decision by Supreme Court comes today - Technology & Science - CBC News	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	they're oppressed for a reason you know. nobody in the entire history of oppression was oppressed for anything but a reason.	[16:06]
davout	mircea_popescu: "which kind ?" <<< apparently some eligius guy claims they've caught one of their miners doing the withold-correct-block-hashes thing	[16:07]
Mats_cd03	sometimes you get a scrappy one. I'll be watching closely	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	davout well do they offer any proof ?	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 care to make it intereskin ?	[16:07]
davout	none at all, so i was like wtf	[16:07]
davout	lemme fish the post	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	davout so moar drama.	[16:07]
nubbins`	wait, i thought the withholding hashes thing didn't work because of nonces or some sort of math shit	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	seems more a function ofyou for the first time reading miner stuff than anything else.	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` huh ?	[16:08]
davout	mircea_popescu: here you go -> https://bitcointalk.org/?topic=441465.msg7282674#msg7282674	[16:08]
assbot	[6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)	[16:08]
nubbins`	just ignore, rambling	[16:08]
davout	mircea_popescu: "seems more a function ofyou for the first time reading miner stuff than anything else." <<< nah, just wtfing at this, wondering if i was right to be wtfing or simply stupid	[16:09]
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nubbins`	OHHHH, sorry, i misunderstood	[16:09]
nubbins`	i thought they were saving up valid hashes to blow their wad all at once	[16:09]
nubbins`	not the case at all	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	davout the guy is a legit miner, but perhaps not too acquainted with logic. they're not detectable, they're susceptionable.	[16:10]
Mats_cd03	mircea_popescu: i like that...i wouldn't know what to select for a proposition, though	[16:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37050 @ 0.00082043 = 30.3969 BTC [-] {2}	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	(if they actually were detectable they'd logically be prevetnable too)	[16:10]
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mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 me either tbh	[16:10]
davout	to me it sounds retarded to confiscate such an amount on a suspicion, especially when the suspected attacker has no economic incentive to be attacking in the first place	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	"My guess is that they never expected to get caught and suffer income loss as a result of their attack. But, once they were caught, I put a filter in place to block them from the payout queue (similar to the block on known MtGox addresses). Eligiuss offline wallet now has roughly 200 BTC work credits held from the payout queue under the attacker's addresses, that we have stopped them from stealing."	[16:11]
Vexual	well the other 50% prevents it, and as you tend to 100%, it becomes unprofitable	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	so elegius is stealing from some miner they had an argument with.	[16:11]
Vexual	how godly	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	why the fuck would someone keep a 200 btc balance, and esp with elegius, is beyong me.	[16:11]
Mats_cd03	Kurds create sovereign state recognized by majority of nations by 2015?	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	"When they noticed, weeks later, they contacted us complaining. We asked them to sign messages to verify they were in fact in control of the addresses in question including asking them to include a real name and location in the signed message, refusing to discuss it until they had done so"	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	herpy derp. so basically don't mine with elegius and that's that.	[16:12]
davout	Luke-Jr: what's with that?	[16:12]
davout	!up Luke-Jr	[16:12]
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mircea_popescu	"It has unofficially been decided that if it came down to it, Eligius would shut down before being forced to pay any attacker of any kind any amount whatsoever."	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	o look, it's also closing ? isn't this one of the oldest pools still (sort-of) standing ?	[16:13]
kakobrekla	elegius deceiving users? wouldn't be the first time.	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	"P.S. - This is unrelated to any of the stats issues that have occurred. (Server migration for the new web server is still under way)"	[16:13]
dub	inb4: I'd explain but you wouldnt understand	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	well the more persuasive explanation is, elegius fucked up a server upgrade (on its sole server, if you don't count an old backup box which is never live anyway), lost some user's accounts	[16:14]
kakobrekla	how much CP does 200btc buy Luke-Jr ?	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	and is now going into uberderpage mode to cover it up	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	forum responds : "WOOT WTG WK!!! you teach them that messing with our pool isn't an option Great job on catching them and stopping them from getting their reward for doing nothing Finally some scammers didn't get to scam...oh how good that makes me feel...lost 21 coins to some lying cheating bastards already one was the btcrow or some website email scam..thought i was using escrow but was really sending them the coi	[16:15]
mircea_popescu	ns oh well...Great job on running the pool WK!! couldn't ask for a better pool op"	[16:15]
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mircea_popescu	these people should vote, seriously. then we'd finally have real democracy, when nothing and nobody prevents these people from giving their "opinion" on how public affairs should be run	[16:15]
mircea_popescu	and we'll all be happy and everything plentiful and good.	[16:15]
nubbins`	!up Vexual	[16:15]
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fluffypony	kakobrekla: shouldn't you be asking Brock?	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	oh wait wait.	[16:17]
kakobrekla	who is brock	[16:17]
nubbins`	;;google brock	[16:17]
gribble	Brock - Bulbapedia, the community-driven Pokémon encyclopedia: ; Brock (anime) - Bulbapedia - Bulbagarden: ; Brock (Pokémon) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:	[16:17]
nubbins`	ah	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	the even more logical conclusion : there's some miner going around with 32 bit hardware, that's unable to correctly handle 64 bit nonces	[16:17]
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mircea_popescu	and so doesn't submit the winning block half the time it finds it, and doesn't care to fix his hardware.	[16:17]
fluffypony	kakobrekla: Bryan Singer's buddy	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	this has been known for fucking months, except apparently not by the elegius admin crew.	[16:18]
nubbins`	lel	[16:18]
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fluffypony	http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/bryan-singer-sex-abuse-case-699828	[16:18]
assbot	Bryan Singer Sex Abuse Case: The Troubling History Behind the Accusations - The Hollywood Reporter	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	congrats on wizkid for making things sound retarded i guess.	[16:18]
kakobrekla	dunno if it makes any difference but bitstamp has a company registered for each of its ~20 'employees' here in slovenia.	[16:19]
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fluffypony	kakobrekla: like 1 company per employee?	[16:19]
kakobrekla	yep	[16:19]
Vexual	neato	[16:19]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla because they want the low tax	[16:20]
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mircea_popescu	they get 20k euro per corp or so, if they make one per employee that's a 400k deduction	[16:20]
Vexual	when does co tax become beneficial in slov??	[16:20]
Vexual	oh	[16:20]
davout	kakobrekla: interdasting	[16:21]
Vexual	i thought it might be, "we'll set you up as a co coz youll be making 1 million withing 6 months"	[16:21]
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Vexual	"now code"	[16:22]
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kakobrekla	CSS HARDER!	[16:22]
Vexual	all the styles!	[16:22]
Vexual	i don't know slovenia from slovakistan	[16:23]
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mircea_popescu	Naphex check this out :	[16:25]
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mircea_popescu	"In 5.16, I post my ticket.	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	In 5.21, you replied to request signature for my address, I replied.	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	In 5.23, you found my signature is wrong. after investigate, I found that I add a extra space on somewhere, then I re-sign the text. Then, a week passed. "	[16:25]
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mircea_popescu	this is why i say the thing sucks and shouldn't be used.	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	makes it too damned easy for anyone to arbitrarily reject signs, which goes entirelky against the fucking point of a signature in the first place.	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	and the forumtards respond : ""If I didn't do it I would say that I didn't do it. You wrote a very long post and not one time did you say that you did not do it. To me, that says a lot! Don't bother now, it's too late.	[16:27]
mircea_popescu	some real king solomons out there, we're so fortunate to have everything the cat dragged in "involved" in bitcoin. thank you accessibility, thank you ever so.	[16:27]
mircea_popescu	"Even if it was unintentional you fucked up at everyone elses expense. Other people paid for your mistake in coding. You should return ALL the BTC you've mined." << someone was going on about how the confiscation "restored their faith in HUMANITY". this is then humanity, at its core. dunno why anyone'd want any part of it.	[16:28]
mircea_popescu	anyway, nice find davout	[16:28]
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Vexual	;;later tell decimation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhOqrvCwOsU	[16:30]
assbot	Charlie's Country - Clip: "Licence" - YouTube	[16:30]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[16:30]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00081972 = 12.4188 BTC [-]	[16:31]
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davout	mircea_popescu: i just realized the "WOOT WTG WK!" quote was actually what someone said	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	it was.	[16:31]
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davout	that resonates with asciilifeform's comment wrt taleb piercing the bozo field	[16:32]
mircea_popescu	anyway, ghash having 51% is	[16:32]
mircea_popescu	WAY better than that fuckwit eleutheria having 51%	[16:32]
Vexual	fuck wrong person	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	last time that happened we ended up with a hard fork. so far ghash is 0-1 on the score.	[16:33]
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Vexual	;;later tell decimation that was meant for Mats_cd03 regarding whether or not he needed a ham license for his hackrf	[16:34]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[16:34]
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Vexual	ghash is boss pool	[16:36]
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mircea_popescu	for as long that'll last.	[16:37]
Vexual	TAT asked was it bullshit	[16:37]
Vexual	seems not	[16:37]
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Vexual	yeah some other bastard will bring more peta with tricker deployment measures, and bitcoin succeeds	[16:38]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00082286 = 7.9817 BTC [+]	[16:41]
Vexual	theres a reason dogetreats are priced in satoshi	[16:42]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00230894 = 0.2309 BTC [-] {3}	[16:42]
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mircea_popescu	pankkake: who is this petertodd? << one of the saner of the power ranger bunch.	[16:45]
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bitcoinpete	heya	[16:46]
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mircea_popescu	pankkake: "It will always be cheaper to run a small amount of hashing power than a large amount" wat << in good tech tradition, he understands nothing of business, including the fact that he understands nothing of it.	[16:47]
mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete hey	[16:47]
fluffypony	ohaaaai bitcoinpete	[16:47]
nubbins`	hmm	[16:47]
bitcoinpete	lol someone's chipper this morning	[16:47]
nubbins`	i wonder will these SR coins auction for below or above market rate	[16:48]
bitcoinpete	nubbins`: the sr coins will go for market rate because they are market rate	[16:49]
bitcoinpete	more or less	[16:49]
bitcoinpete	limited by only being accessible to us citizens and whatnot	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` the announced price will be under market rate. the "winner" will not actually have to pay anything, but will have to support usg policy.	[16:49]
nubbins`	hm, i woulda put my money on above market rate	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete they're not limited to being accessible to us citizens. they're limited to being accessible to that one corp that makes the most convincing case it'll be useful.	[16:49]
nubbins`	there's gotta be at least a few financial institutions/hedge funds/whatever that want btc but don't want to purchase from a foreign exchange, guy on the street, etc	[16:50]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` so make a bitbet. "the announced price of the usms sale will be under market rate at that time"	[16:50]
bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu i'd love to be the one reading those proposals	[16:50]
nubbins`	i just may	[16:50]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` so ?	[16:50]
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mircea_popescu	!up veeminer	[16:50]
-assbot-	You voiced veeminer for 30 minutes.	[16:50]
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mircea_popescu	!up Vexual	[16:50]
-assbot-	You voiced Vexual for 30 minutes.	[16:50]
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nubbins`	so, now's their chance	[16:51]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: is the auction not based on price alone?	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` no, it's not.	[16:51]
bitcoinpete	"we promise to use these bitcoins to finance libraries for coindeskers"	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony it's not bnased on th price at all. the fuck does the usg need 50mn	[16:51]
fluffypony	that's fucking retarded.	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	no it's not.	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	it's the usg laundering its ill gotten bitcoins.	[16:51]
bitcoinpete	"we promise to use these bitcoin to finance roads to hawaii"	[16:51]
fluffypony	no I don't mean from there perspective	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	through a "sale" to a "private" party.	[16:52]
nubbins`	ah	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	anyway, they'll announce it as somewhat under market.	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	sadly i have little avenue to bitchslap them	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	but i do suspect someone leaked teh d. series plans, because they've been moving before i said that.	[16:52]
Vexual	does d really mean discount?	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	(it's really the same thing, trying to use the propaganda machine to control btc via "news" of "sales")	[16:53]
bitcoinpete	so is that them diddling the "price" leading up to the auction?	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete doubt it.	[16:53]
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bitcoinpete	a ok	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	just the usual mommentum traders getting raped yet again.	[16:54]
nubbins`	but if i don't hop on the train, i'll never travel	[16:54]
nubbins`	sure, it might be in the wrong direction, but hey	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	right-o.	[16:54]
nubbins`	i'm a part of this thing &c &c	[16:55]
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davout	mircea_popescu: wrt to the d. series, in case of acquisition the asset becomes worthless, right?	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	davout that'll be a case by case basis.	[16:56]
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mircea_popescu	if they do a reverse-ipo for instance it'll stick.	[16:56]
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bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu but i do suspect someone leaked teh d. series plans, because they've been moving before i said that. << can you explain "they've been moving?"	[16:56]
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mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete the "we're selling bitcoin" news manipulation went in days before the "i'm going to kill your "investment" news manipulation" announcement.	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	why not at any prior point for the past... year ?	[16:57]
bitcoinpete	a yes	[16:57]
bitcoinpete	there's room for coincidence	[16:58]
bitcoinpete	i mean, the number of people who knew about d.series	[16:58]
bitcoinpete	makes for a hard, but not impossible, pill to swallow	[16:58]
fluffypony	01f37a	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	traders talk. if they didn't, they couldn't trade. it's a complex beast.	[16:59]
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bitcoinpete	to be sure	[17:00]
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mircea_popescu	davout generally i might do something like "in case of acquisition by listed corp, you get the delta for the next 30 days"	[17:01]
bitcoinpete	i guess i didn't read the usg sale as propaganda-y	[17:01]
mircea_popescu	tho that's kinda dubious, but hey	[17:01]
mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete bitcoin is war, you know.	[17:02]
Vexual	30 mil pays some wages	[17:02]
bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu: nothing less. our mafia vs theirs	[17:02]
bitcoinpete	i guess it'd have to be 'ganda, or else they'd just keep their coins like a sane person	[17:03]
nubbins`	http://imgur.com/BfgSfq4	[17:03]
assbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[17:03]
nubbins`	lel	[17:04]
nubbins`	"Mac Pro cold boots a Windows Server 2012 R2 Domain Controller in 3 seconds. Coffee keeps getting cold - no opportunity to take a sip."	[17:04]
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mircea_popescu	anyone ever seriously ran a system in their history that took longer ?	[17:05]
mircea_popescu	i count to three and start throwing things	[17:05]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform http://klassix.net/keith/Kindle%20Backup%202-20-11/documents/First%20Circle,%20The%20-%20Alexander%20Solzhenitsyn.txt << how bad a translation is this iyo ?	[17:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 7 @ 0.03 = 0.21 BTC [+]	[17:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07070707 = 0.2121 BTC [+]	[17:07]
kakobrekla	>I like NastyMining due to how open and honest they are...for BTC securities that is refreshing. Will my shares make me ROI?? Probably not, but I am still pleased with them. Look around in this section and go troll the real scammers...k thanks!	[17:08]
kakobrekla	and this dude is voiced in this chan.	[17:08]
kakobrekla	clearly something is off.	[17:08]
fluffypony	lol	[17:09]
bitcoinpete	unvoice the heretic!	[17:09]
nubbins`	haha	[17:09]
kakobrekla	lampelina did you put stuff in my food?	[17:09]
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nubbins`	"will my investment tank? yes, but who cares?"	[17:09]
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bitcoinpete	nubbins`: with all this great violin music on the titanic...	[17:11]
nubbins`	mp, not everyone is running ms-dos ;(	[17:11]
nubbins`	hah	[17:11]
nubbins`	"other than that, mrs. lincoln, how was the play?"	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	and this dude is voiced in this chan. << whjo ?!	[17:12]
kakobrekla	drumroll	[17:12]
kakobrekla	Blazedout419	[17:12]
nubbins`	wat	[17:12]
nubbins`	;;rated Blazedout419	[17:12]
gribble	You rated user Blazedout419 on Sun Mar 2 12:59:46 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: trusted trader.	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	Blazedout419 dude are you serious even ?!	[17:13]
nubbins`	it took me like 4 months to figure out what "nastyfans" was	[17:13]
nubbins`	"why would you pay money to be in this weird club?" etc	[17:13]
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Vexual	not quite 420	[17:13]
kakobrekla	cause only 65% loss compared to the average of 99%	[17:13]
nubbins`	then i realized they were doing the careful-language-dance	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` some random dork's odd approach to legal matters.	[17:14]
nubbins`	nod	[17:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 50 @ 0.04 = 2 BTC [+]	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	anyway, whatever happened of nefario's buttbuddy, some chav running "red star mining" ?	[17:14]
nubbins`	if we don't CALL it shares in a mining security...	[17:14]
Vexual	hes dickslexical	[17:14]
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nubbins`	they're still on the go	[17:15]
Vexual	the swede bought all his shit before he lab coined	[17:15]
nubbins`	http://imgur.com/oKK1OBf	[17:15]
assbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[17:15]
pankkake	he got butthurd when i left him negative feedback for running a self moderated thread	[17:15]
nubbins`	^ there's the ceo at a recent conference	[17:15]
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Vexual	looks like zacdelasomeone	[17:15]
nubbins`	shhhh!!	[17:16]
nubbins`	ignore the drums too	[17:16]
nubbins`	concentrate on the large ASICs in the foreground	[17:16]
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Vexual	oh i see it now nubbins`, and ive more money than before	[17:17]
nubbins`	nod	[17:17]
nubbins`	makes sense, yes?	[17:17]
Vexual	nod	[17:17]
mircea_popescu	the swede bought all his shit before he lab coined << how quaint.	[17:17]
nubbins`	god, i can't even remember what scam the swede was pushing	[17:18]
nubbins`	i should write this shit down	[17:18]
pankkake	he was the PR for Labcoin	[17:19]
nubbins`	riiiiiiiiiight	[17:19]
Vexual	prolly on cryptostocks now ? red star?	[17:19]
pankkake	but every good scam uses random forum users for PR	[17:19]
nubbins`	oh, in the meantime, i see charlie shrem is active on the forums again	[17:19]
kakobrekla	alberto armandi, one of the best.	[17:19]
ThickAsThieves	<+fluffypony> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/281ftd/why_i_just_sold_50_of_my_bitcoins_ghashio/ ---- I love how everyone is acting like something can be done.	[17:19]
pankkake	Vexual: on the 796 exchange	[17:19]
assbot	Why I just sold 50% of my bitcoins: GHash.IO : Bitcoin	[17:19]
Vexual	ah	[17:19]
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pankkake	!up Vexual	[17:21]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves that's whatreddit is for neh ? for people who can't do anything to pretend like they're doing things.	[17:21]
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nubbins`	;;gettrust assbot Vexual	[17:22]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Vexual \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Vexual \| Rated since: never	[17:22]
nubbins`	hmm, this new death grips album features bjork on all the tracks	[17:23]
Vexual	ooh	[17:23]
nubbins`	yeah	[17:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43150 @ 0.00081963 = 35.367 BTC [-] {2}	[17:23]
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nubbins`	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kDinXI0bxM&list=PL55Jv4fGPIb-L4Q2i2DGNWMI6fPh9MBUD	[17:23]
assbot	Death Grips - Up My Sleeves - YouTube	[17:23]
nubbins`	lel, there's a track called "have a sad cum"	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	;;gettrust assbot Blazedout419	[17:24]
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gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask Blazedout419!~Rogue@76-243-42-60.lightspeed.cntmoh.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Blazedout419: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Blazedout419 \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Blazedout419 \| Rated since: Sat May 18 17:05:13 2013	[17:24]
nubbins`	AS IF I NEED TO BE TOLD D;	[17:24]
nubbins`	http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=mircea_popescu&dest=Blazedout419	[17:24]
assbot	#bitcoin-otc Web of Trust - Trust graph	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` hm ?	[17:24]
nubbins`	just curious	[17:25]
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nubbins`	for a sec i thought "wow, mp rated rg +10?"	[17:25]
nubbins`	then i lrnd 2 rd grafs	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	lol	[17:26]
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ThickAsThieves	<+mircea_popescu> davout so moar drama. /// you know what that means!	[17:26]
nubbins`	more testicles = more iron	[17:26]
nubbins`	more drama = ???	[17:26]
mircea_popescu	moar price! moons!	[17:27]
nubbins`	ah	[17:27]
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nubbins`	this will wreak havoc on the tides	[17:27]
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nubbins`	i'm glad my house is up the hill from the water	[17:27]
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nubbins`	oh hey, fun fact: i'd have to fly west to visit argentina	[17:29]
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artifexd	nubbins`: Awesome. Thanks!	[17:29]
nubbins`	thank YOU	[17:29]
artifexd	No. Thank YOU!	[17:29]
nubbins`	hmm	[17:29]
nubbins`	it seems we've reached a stalemate	[17:29]
*	nubbins` rattles sabre	[17:29]
artifexd	Thanks for everyone then.	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	no u	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` west ?!	[17:31]
nubbins`	yup	[17:31]
nubbins`	https://www.google.ca/maps/place/St+John's,+NL/	[17:31]
assbot	St John's, NL - Google Maps	[17:31]
nubbins`	zoom out til you can see	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` what time you got at m ?	[17:31]
bitcoinpete	http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/06/13/wrongness-ok-and-not/	[17:31]
nubbins`	noon	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	you're not flying west or east then	[17:31]
nubbins`	not through time, no	[17:32]
nubbins`	but through space, yes	[17:32]
Vexual	well....	[17:32]
Vexual	you aint light either	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	wut ? lol	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	if you're not leaving your timezone what west is that	[17:33]
nubbins`	st john's is directly north of uruguay's easternmost border	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	usure you got those graphs ?	[17:33]
nubbins`	heh.	[17:33]
nubbins`	i'm definitely leaving my time zone	[17:33]
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nubbins`	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newfoundland_Time_Zone	[17:34]
assbot	Newfoundland Time Zone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	"I have a steakhouse dinner tonight in honor of Eric Cantor with some business economists;"	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	dude the fucking bullshit habit of renaming stuff you were already gonna do.	[17:34]
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nubbins`	hmm	[17:34]
nubbins`	http://www.fgienr.net/time-zone/fuseaux.gif	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	here's a news flash : if you're not having AN EXTRA dinner on top of your normal dinner, you're not having a dinner in honor of anybodyu	[17:34]
nubbins`	according to that, i'd be flying west and turning my watch forward	[17:35]
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justusranvier	http://pastebin.com/74NURN3j	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	just like some dorks that meet each friday for a beer attheir pub can't just put up a sign saying "bitcoin conference hackathon and miss universe contest"	[17:35]
assbot	Exciting changes at BitAngels - an update on multiple fronts - Pastebin.com	[17:35]
Vexual	grand unified theory of where nubbns is	[17:35]
nubbins`	I have a steakhouse dinner tonight in honor of my hunger	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	and pretend like their alleged conference-hackathon-topless party attracted a huge crowd	[17:35]
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nubbins`	Vexual: they even colored us grey on that map	[17:36]
wywialm	hello -assets	[17:36]
nubbins`	the color of honor and dignity	[17:36]
nubbins`	hi wyw	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	justusranvier no word about how "we're some contemptible pieces of shit that lied about things and were made a public mockery when the people we lied about never heard of us" ?	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	nice pr.	[17:36]
nubbins`	actually, funny coincidence	[17:38]
nubbins`	there's a town here called Argentia	[17:38]
bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu: lol "everyone was there!"	[17:38]
nubbins`	not to be confused with Argentina (unless you're a spell-check)	[17:38]
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mircea_popescu	i guess since the dork in question can't gpg sign, i could make a pastebin too. let's have some fun	[17:38]
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nubbins`	WOAH	[17:42]
nubbins`	so the violent lesbian who lives next door looks about 8 months pregnant	[17:42]
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TomServo	I have a neighbor that's looked the same for about 2 years.	[17:43]
Vexual	cool story bro	[17:43]
nubbins`	maybe her baby petrified	[17:43]
nubbins`	i've heard of this	[17:43]
TomServo	Funnily enough, she proclaimed 'And I'm not pregnant' in the same breath she introduced herself.	[17:43]
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nubbins`	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithopedion	[17:45]
assbot	Lithopedion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[17:45]
Mats_cd03	divine insemination	[17:45]
Vexual	russia looks real big on that projection	[17:45]
nubbins`	lithopedia, the stone babies anyone can edit	[17:45]
nubbins`	greenland too	[17:46]
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Mats_cd03	the antichrist needs 36 months to gestate	[17:46]
Vexual	yeah, thats an equatorialist map	[17:46]
ThickAsThieves	Nintendo won't add Twitch streaming to Wii U: 'What's fun about that?' --- Nintendo rox	[17:46]
nubbins`	nintendo, big on fun	[17:46]
nubbins`	i bought a wii u a couple weeks ago	[17:46]
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Vexual	youve got about 5.5 months until it dies	[17:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00082286 = 12.2195 BTC [+]	[17:47]
nubbins`	the baby?!	[17:48]
Vexual	consoles shoudnt have batteries	[17:48]
nubbins`	oh, the wii u	[17:48]
nubbins`	how else you gonna keep the clock running?	[17:48]
Vexual	the thing is quite obviously an aborted vr headset	[17:49]
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mircea_popescu	http://pastebin.com/WgTAmXTm	[17:50]
assbot	Exciting changes at BitAngels - an update on multiple fronts - Pastebin.com	[17:50]
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mircea_popescu	there, much better.	[17:50]
nubbins`	all i know is mario kart 8 is fun ;(	[17:50]
Vexual	oooh	[17:50]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 19 @ 0.04 = 0.76 BTC [+]	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	Funnily enough, she proclaimed 'And I'm not pregnant' in the same breath she introduced herself. << cirrhosis ?	[17:51]
bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu: lmao there we go	[17:51]
bitcoinpete	ficksed!	[17:51]
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ThickAsThieves	not sure if i missed it, is mpif trading NMC now too?	[17:52]
nubbins`	lel @ tourists outside taking pictures of the row houses	[17:53]
nubbins`	!up Vexual	[17:53]
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nubbins`	if only they knew	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves manager studying thepossibility.	[17:53]
nubbins`	ThickAsThieves you may find this interesting	[17:54]
nubbins`	http://imgur.com/5Fakoal	[17:54]
assbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[17:54]
nubbins`	finally got an excuse to use silver ink	[17:55]
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mircea_popescu	nubbins` btw,can you make me gold ink business cards?	[17:55]
ThickAsThieves	neat, i only ever did maybe two metallic ink projects	[17:55]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu of course	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	on kickass silk paper ?	[17:55]
ThickAsThieves	a jewelry gift bag, and a annual meeting invitation	[17:56]
nubbins`	how about kickass cotton paper?	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	silken finish ?	[17:56]
ThickAsThieves	mp make sure you are clear on the difference between metallic ink and foil embossed	[17:56]
nubbins`	ah, cotton finish?	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves im clueless. halp ?	[17:56]
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nubbins`	foil embossed looks like gold leaf stuck to the paper	[17:57]
ThickAsThieves	ink looks like graphite basically	[17:57]
nubbins`	could shave in it	[17:57]
ThickAsThieves	foil looks like metal	[17:57]
nubbins`	i think i have pics of gold ink on cotton, one sec	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	ah that's what i want, foil embossed	[17:57]
ThickAsThieves	of course showing pics of metallic ink...	[17:57]
ThickAsThieves	doesnt get you much	[17:57]
bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu: please tell me you're working on a trilema post for the angels pastebin. if not, i'm on it	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves so what does itdo ? just discretely sparkle ?	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete go for it	[17:58]
ThickAsThieves	yeah like a bit better than pencil lead	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	if i put the idiots on trilema that'd increase their "brand" by 10k%, just for a post.	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	i c. well thanks for that lol.	[17:58]
ThickAsThieves	it's neat looking on uncoated paper	[17:59]
bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu: booyah	[17:59]
ThickAsThieves	it's just not the same thing as foil	[17:59]
TomServo	mircea_popescu: It's a good possibility.	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	so nubbins` can you do foil embossed over paper that looks like i cut it out of a high class whore's bedsheets ?	[17:59]
ThickAsThieves	i should also note, i personally find foil to be supremely tacky	[17:59]
ThickAsThieves	so...	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	that's the point.	[17:59]
nubbins`	yeah, foil sucks	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	not when you're me.	[17:59]
nubbins`	http://imgur.com/XRhLDJs	[17:59]
nubbins`	^ gold ink	[17:59]
assbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	ah tjat's not so bad	[18:00]
nubbins`	it shimmers	[18:00]
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mircea_popescu	way better than just some graphite.	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` got a foil one anywhere ?	[18:00]
ThickAsThieves	yeah the gold ink does come off better than the silver	[18:00]
nubbins`	we're not set up for foil	[18:00]
ThickAsThieves	embossing is nice too	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	i see. okay! so why are there two "colors" of gold ?	[18:00]
nubbins`	that's the light shining off it	[18:01]
ThickAsThieves	cause it's metallic	[18:01]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: how bad a translation is this iyo << acceptable translation. (had occasion to read original quite recently.)	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	i mean the blank seems to have a margin around it	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform ty	[18:01]
nubbins`	ah yes yes	[18:01]
ThickAsThieves	oh that's just at 50% coverage or such	[18:01]
nubbins`	that's a solid border with halftone dots in the middle	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` so do you have muy luxurious paper ?	[18:01]
davout	mircea_popescu: "there, much better." <<< nice	[18:02]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu our go-to cotton paper is stonehenge 250gsm, nice and thick, used by steadman, vonnegut, etc	[18:02]
-los_pantalones-	DCC Send Card.jpg (8.22.177.6)	[18:02]
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mircea_popescu	is it pale pale pink ?	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	like boiled in cuntwater ?	[18:02]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[18:02]
nubbins`	heh	[18:02]
nubbins`	we generally buy "cream" which can look pinkish in some lights	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	but can you buy cuntish, which looks pinkish in all lights ?	[18:03]
ThickAsThieves	you can print cuntish	[18:03]
nubbins`	^	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	how's that work ?	[18:03]
nubbins`	stonehenge doesn't come in cuntish	[18:03]
Vexual	mad foldin on the back	[18:03]
ThickAsThieves	you flood print the whole sheet	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` got anything that does ?	[18:03]
nubbins`	but we could just print a light pink base laye	[18:03]
nubbins`	r	[18:04]
mircea_popescu	i c	[18:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00082358 = 11.2007 BTC [+] {2}	[18:04]
mircea_popescu	but is this stonehedge shiny ?	[18:04]
ThickAsThieves	metallic on shiny is not good	[18:04]
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nubbins`	nope, coated (shiny) papers don't print well	[18:04]
nubbins`	hmm	[18:04]
nubbins`	now, we can get black cotton paper	[18:04]
mircea_popescu	hm	[18:04]
mircea_popescu	black is not bad.	[18:05]
nubbins`	looks pretty rich	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	ok, make me 100 black 100 floodprinted pale cunt color ? how do i give you the face ?	[18:05]
nubbins`	vector format is best	[18:05]
nubbins`	.ai, .pdf. .eps	[18:05]
nubbins`	.svg, even	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	what dpi you got ?	[18:05]
nubbins`	all the dpi	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	lol all the dpi. what px size is the card ?	[18:06]
nubbins`	this is silkscreen, dpi is for digital prints ;D	[18:06]
nubbins`	300dpi if you're including bitmaps	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	;;google business card size	[18:06]
gribble	How Big is a Standard Size Business Card? - Desktop Publishing: ; Business Card Sizes « Designers Toolbox: ; Business card - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:	[18:06]
Vexual	.corel	[18:06]
nubbins`	if it's just shapes/text, size doesn't really matter	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` it's just text but i use obscure fonts :D	[18:07]
nubbins`	oic	[18:07]
nubbins`	convert 'em to shapes / outlines :D	[18:07]
nubbins`	(i do too)	[18:07]
nubbins`	in inkscape, Path > Object to path	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	so 1050 x 600 px good for you ?	[18:07]
nubbins`	sure	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	cool.	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	what's a 100 cost ?	[18:08]
Vexual	100? save some til next conference, i want one	[18:08]
ThickAsThieves	100 costs same as 1000 probly	[18:09]
ThickAsThieves	a black on gold design i did once: http://imgur.com/rPXbIyZ	[18:09]
assbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[18:09]
ThickAsThieves	gold on black...	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves not bad	[18:09]
ThickAsThieves	she wanted olde timey	[18:10]
nubbins`	nice	[18:10]
nubbins`	let me see	[18:11]
nubbins`	100 black + 100 pussy pink would run ya about $160	[18:12]
nubbins`	per-unit cost decreases dramatically with larger orders, of course	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	and 1k each ?	[18:12]
ThickAsThieves	"It's with great excitement that we unveil the new Bitcoin.com, a user-friendly resource that shows how to acquire, store and spend your bitcoins." http://www.bitcoin.com/	[18:12]
assbot	Bitcoin.com	[18:12]
nubbins`	$400	[18:12]
ThickAsThieves	so basically bitcoin.com has been marketized	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves basically.	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` you ever shipped anything to argentina before ?	[18:13]
ThickAsThieves	it's partner logos	[18:13]
ThickAsThieves	yay	[18:13]
ThickAsThieves	and very american	[18:13]
nubbins`	not that i can recall	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	lol	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` i wonder how long it takes	[18:14]
nubbins`	airmail, maybe a week or two	[18:14]
nubbins`	surface, maybe 4-6 weeks	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	;/	[18:15]
nubbins`	xpresspost, within a week	[18:15]
nubbins`	all guesswork here :D	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	ima have to see if there's a local solution	[18:15]
ThickAsThieves	you could always run the job through 4over.com, the paper wouldnt be quite as nice, but few would notic	[18:15]
nubbins`	it's definitely cheaper to get cards done locally	[18:16]
ThickAsThieves	they have 16pt uncoated and do metallics	[18:16]
Vexual	bueos airies gets planes muy times day	[18:16]
nubbins`	vistaprint makes 'em for what, 7 cents each?	[18:16]
thestringpuller	ah price drp	[18:16]
thestringpuller	op	[18:16]
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thestringpuller	wow lag	[18:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 143 @ 0.00221413 = 0.3166 BTC [-] {12}	[18:16]
Vexual	how long does the moose take?	[18:16]
nubbins`	Vexual, about 3 hours in a stew	[18:16]
nubbins`	quicker for sausages	[18:16]
ThickAsThieves	the average mammal takes 21secs to pee	[18:16]
Vexual	lol	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` i dunno, prolly will be more expensive locally, cause they got hsit for tech	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	but it won't liklely be two weeks.	[18:17]
nubbins`	ahh	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	or so i hope.	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	tho with these people...	[18:17]
Vexual	and smaller	[18:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 157 @ 0.00208151 = 0.3268 BTC [-] {5}	[18:17]
nubbins`	yeah, i mean, it'd take us two weeks just to get the paper and print the cards	[18:17]
nubbins`	up-side is that you look like a baller handing out hand-printed business cards	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	maybe eventually, but i'll have to be handing out somethingmeanwhile.	[18:18]
nubbins`	nod	[18:18]
nubbins`	man gotta have cards	[18:18]
thestringpuller	developers are offloading	[18:18]
nubbins`	developers hold btc?	[18:18]
nubbins`	;)	[18:18]
thestringpuller	lolol i kno rite?	[18:18]
nubbins`	i wonder will goat ever get around to getting his certs printed	[18:19]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: they got hsit for tech << speaking of which, know of any civilized electronics plants in Ar?	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[18:20]
thestringpuller	Arkansas?	[18:20]
thestringpuller	oh Argentina lol	[18:21]
asciilifeform	L-kansas.	[18:21]
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nubbins`	now, if you're getting printed shit shipped to you, might as well go full-throttle, order up some mpex propaganda posters, get one of your staff to go around wheatpasting them in the financial district	[18:22]
davout	asciilifeform: lol	[18:22]
diametric	asciilifeform: my friend johnny is still interested, when I met with him in DC recently and he told me about his new pnp machine, said he was interested.	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	im not much interested in advertising on the street in argentina tho	[18:23]
diametric	asciilifeform: we could go visit it anytime as well.	[18:23]
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diametric	Rather I should rephrase, I have a standing invite to visit ultimachine whenever I want, I could bring you with	[18:23]
nubbins`	!up Vexual	[18:23]
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asciilifeform	diametric: neato. probably should get a quote first, don't wanna waste his time	[18:24]
nubbins`	street advertising is very effective with the right message	[18:24]
nubbins`	doesn't argentina have crazy capital controls?	[18:24]
thestringpuller	nubbins`: I want a shirt	[18:25]
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mircea_popescu	nubbins` it does, yes.	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	effective, in what sense ?	[18:27]
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nubbins`	thestringpuller:	[18:28]
nubbins`	;;echo 25/[ticker --last]	[18:29]
gribble	25/ 591.94	[18:29]
nubbins`	WAT	[18:29]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: effective in that it can make people think about, or do, things they wouldn't otherwise	[18:29]
nubbins`	;;calc 25/[ticker --last]	[18:30]
gribble	0.0424448217317	[18:30]
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nubbins`	thestringpuller: ^ to 1TDaWh3MDibweoNaEjAAT8YHG3QmoBXqG	[18:30]
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peterl	just got my first betbet refferal payment today	[18:30]
Vexual	didn't mp ask someone to poster wall st?	[18:30]
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peterl	I wonder how much referal money I missed before the time thing got fixed?	[18:30]
thestringpuller	nubbins`: does that include shipping? I'm technically international	[18:31]
nubbins`	yep, shipping included	[18:31]
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mircea_popescu	peterl how much was it ?	[18:31]
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peterl	like 0.5 mB	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	and how long ago was it fixed ? coupla months ?	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	how long had you been advertising it ?	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	if you've not changed much just multiply those two	[18:32]
peterl	I think I started in January?	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	so like 1mb ?	[18:32]
peterl	yeah, scammer you all ripped me off! ;)	[18:33]
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nubbins`	http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/7156/125/	[18:40]
assbot	Michael Geist - Supreme Court Delivers Huge Victory for Internet Privacy & Blows Away Gov't Plans for Reform	[18:40]
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Vexual	Adieu	[18:45]
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nubbins`	"The court notes that ISPs are not required to disclose this information and this case reaches the conclusion that they are not permitted to do so absent a warrant either."	[18:45]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SHA] 95 @ 0.042 = 3.99 BTC	[18:48]
ThickAsThieves	get dat SHA	[18:50]
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mircea_popescu	yay card design ready	[18:51]
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nubbins`	let's take a peek!	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/if-youre-one-of-the-numerous-buenos-aires-printing-shops-ill-be-harassing-over-the-day/	[18:53]
assbot	If you’re one of the numerous Buenos Aires printing shops I’ll be harassing over the day pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[18:53]
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asciilifeform	lol	[18:53]
asciilifeform	somehow i expected exactly this picture	[18:54]
nubbins`	heh	[18:54]
ThickAsThieves	lol, pink or otherwise black paper	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	:D	[18:54]
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ThickAsThieves	that design is hideous	[18:54]
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ThickAsThieves	ah it's all squished in your blog	[18:54]
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nubbins`	art deco is the new modern	[18:55]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves wellyeah	[18:55]
asciilifeform	i'd use something readable for the fp	[18:55]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform its not readable ?	[18:55]
asciilifeform	say, c64 bitmap font	[18:55]
mircea_popescu	mthreat care to recommend a print shop that can print gold leaf/ink ?	[18:56]
davout	comic sans	[18:56]
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ThickAsThieves	well at least you didnt use helvetica	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	how the hell is it not readable	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	these are like the most distinct glyphs ever	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` it's been the new modern since what, the 20s ?	[18:56]
mthreat	mircea_popescu: i don't know, haven't printed anything like biz cards yet here	[18:56]
davout	which 20s?	[18:56]
davout	:D	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	:D	[18:56]
mthreat	the "8" looks like a snowman	[18:56]
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nubbins`	heh	[18:57]
mthreat	but i hope you go in asking for cunt-colored pink	[18:57]
mircea_popescu	howdo you even say cunt in this language	[18:57]
mthreat	i think the word is "concha" but i'd have to ask around	[18:57]
nubbins`	^	[18:57]
los_pantalones	y	[18:58]
mthreat	as in "concha de tu madre"	[18:58]
mircea_popescu	color cono ?	[18:58]
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nubbins`	Gotham would be a better font for a text-only card like this	[18:58]
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mircea_popescu	nubbins` how;s it text only ?	[18:58]
nubbins`	glyphs only ;D	[18:58]
mircea_popescu	mthreat i think concha is polite, like cock.	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	we should go for "fuckstick" or stay home.	[18:59]
Mats_cd03	working on someone else's code _and_ having to learn a ui api is a pain in the ass	[18:59]
los_pantalones	rosado de cono	[18:59]
asciilifeform	fuckport.	[18:59]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.87529984 BTC to 8`768 shares, 21388 satoshi per share	[19:00]
mthreat	ah ya, looks like "freenode:#bitcoin-otc:4f43a6b3445b9a5aa6bcf173034b7962187151aef339d6f4e604160b	[19:00]
mthreat	oops	[19:00]
mthreat	damn pbcopy	[19:00]
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nubbins`	cañón salmón	[19:00]
nubbins`	billetera de jamon?	[19:01]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: if you want gold leaf, have these... pcb etched.	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[19:01]
nubbins`	ooo	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	and so i go around with a bag for 100 cards?	[19:01]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: seriously. spec for thinnest flex-leaf pcb	[19:01]
asciilifeform	they'll be roughly the thichness of 2 or 3 ordinary cardboards.	[19:02]
ThickAsThieves	http://cdn.instructables.com/FXV/180S/GQ5PYP4P/FXV180SGQ5PYP4P.MEDIUM.jpg	[19:03]
asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: specifically not this	[19:03]
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nubbins`	haha	[19:04]
nubbins`	but it's so classy	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform maybe you should spec for a pcb	[19:04]
asciilifeform	http://www.tandyonline.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/a/d/adafruit-flex-perma-proto.png	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	S.NSA CTO	[19:04]
davout	buy buy buy	[19:04]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i'll stuff it in a gerber for you, if you can crank up the minimal line thickness to 0.2mm	[19:05]
xmj	ThickAsThieves: some company at EuroBSDcon last year had 3.5" floppies as 'business cards'	[19:05]
davout	has a fetch for old computers	[19:05]
davout	sell sell sell	[19:05]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i saw cut cds at sdome point	[19:05]
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asciilifeform	they're likely to cost ~$5 each, though.	[19:05]
asciilifeform	depending on where baked.	[19:05]
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asciilifeform	no bag needed if you thread a rope through the holes.	[19:06]
benkay	uh oh, biglog	[19:07]
penguirker	New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/if-youre-one-of-the-numerous-buenos-aires-printing-shops-ill-be-harassing-over-the-day/	[19:07]
nubbins`	hang them on your belt	[19:07]
nubbins`	right next to your onions	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	lol	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	and youyr trusted hammer	[19:08]
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asciilifeform	not a bad way to cement a reputation for madness	[19:09]
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nubbins`	haha	[19:17]
nubbins`	not bad	[19:17]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00082276 = 24.6828 BTC [-]	[19:23]
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penguirker	New blog post: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/06/13/bitangels-the-loudest-noise-you-never-did-hear/	[19:35]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.2215 = 0.886 BTC [-]	[19:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34343 @ 0.00081994 = 28.1592 BTC [-] {2}	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete lol note 7 makes it.	[19:39]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 33 @ 0.0038 = 0.1254 BTC [-]	[19:39]
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benkay	>I like NastyMining due to how open and honest they are...for BTC securities that is refreshing. Will my shares make me ROI?? Probably not, but I am still pleased with them. Look around in this section and go troll the real scammers...k thanks! // who is this?	[19:44]
benkay	mhm	[19:44]
benkay	^^ wrong window	[19:44]
benkay	ah nm found it	[19:45]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2215 BTC [-]	[19:46]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.221 BTC [-]	[19:47]
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Blazedout419	oh here we go	[19:49]
Blazedout419	he is trolling it	[19:49]
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Blazedout419	benkay that was me	[19:49]
Blazedout419	gotta run though	[19:50]
benkay	HEY IDIOT COME BACK WE NEED TO NEEDLE YOU MORE	[19:50]
benkay	have a good day	[19:50]
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Blazedout419	OK FLAME ME LATER	[19:50]
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danielpbarron	;;rated Blazedout419	[19:54]
gribble	You rated user Blazedout419 on Sun May 4 23:13:39 2014, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: doesn't understand the WoT; don't trust this user's ratings.	[19:54]
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pankkake	http://www.coindesk.com/search-engine-duckduckgo-now-lets-users-check-bitcoin-balances/ ah nice. it used to return nonsensical results	[19:58]
assbot	Search Engine DuckDuckGo Now Lets Users Check Bitcoin Balances	[19:58]
mike_c	;;rate BingoBoingo 3 mpif manager, decent gambler, good blogger.	[19:58]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded.	[19:58]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00081949 = 17.3732 BTC [-] {2}	[19:59]
TheNewDeal	decent gambler... nice	[20:02]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.22013973 BTC [-]	[20:06]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32900 @ 0.00082345 = 27.0915 BTC [+] {4}	[20:10]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07070707 = 0.3535 BTC [+]	[20:17]
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nubbins`	oh god, this coffee	[20:18]
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nubbins`	first decent cup i've had in months	[20:19]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07070707 = 0.2828 BTC [+]	[20:20]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: devils come to tempt you: http://imgur.com/DaZyTPg,MfVbeHG,0tCxX1m#0	[20:31]
assbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[20:31]
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TheNewDeal	asciilifeform that was a sweet graphic	[20:35]
TheNewDeal	did you make that?	[20:35]
asciilifeform	TheNewDeal: aye. 5 minutes of wank	[20:35]
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asciilifeform	TheNewDeal: it's a snapshot of gerber mask. if he's crazy enough he could send this out for fab.	[20:36]
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TheNewDeal	gerber mask?	[20:36]
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asciilifeform	TheNewDeal: pcb photo positives	[20:37]
TheNewDeal	ahhh	[20:37]
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Naphex	hey o/	[20:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 797 @ 0.00226585 = 1.8059 BTC [+]	[20:37]
asciilifeform	TheNewDeal: well he did say 'no you draw it'	[20:38]
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asciilifeform	TheNewDeal: rope (or keyring, whatever) through the borehole on upper left hand corner.	[20:39]
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asciilifeform	TheNewDeal: he did say 'can anyone make gold leaf on black' - sure. now he can.	[20:40]
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thestringpuller	nubbins`: you still here sorry I went to lunch I have the payment ready	[20:48]
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nubbins`	yah, did you see the address?	[20:48]
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nubbins`	;;calc 25/[ticker --last]	[20:49]
gribble	0.0432226832642	[20:49]
nubbins`	^ to 1TDaWh3MDibweoNaEjAAT8YHG3QmoBXqG	[20:50]
nubbins`	pm me size/address when you're ready	[20:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 95 @ 0.02998722 = 2.8488 BTC [-] {2}	[20:50]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22969 @ 0.00081805 = 18.7898 BTC [-]	[20:58]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 130.74760208 BTC to 77`492 shares, 168724 satoshi per share	[21:00]
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decimation	"fluffypony: when decimation said "test" they weren't voiced, or was my client just being weird" << I actually sent "gpg unauth" to gribble before sending "test"	[21:00]
decimation	sorry if that messed with you, I was trying to see if I would be auto-kicked; apparently not	[21:01]
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danielpbarron	nubbins`, I want one too!	[21:03]
danielpbarron	oh, NOW gribble messages me	[21:04]
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thestringpuller	;;ticker	[21:09]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 580.78, Best ask: 580.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.21000, Last trade: 580.99, 24 hour volume: 36038.91241980, 24 hour low: 550.0, 24 hour high: 619.0, 24 hour vwap: 584.833373188	[21:09]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.0708 = 1.2744 BTC [+]	[21:15]
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benkay	http://imgur.com/8565LBS	[21:21]
assbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[21:21]
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nubbins`	i think gribs waits til you speak to deliver your messages	[21:25]
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nubbins`	danielpbarron: got it, thanks	[21:26]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34000 @ 0.00081875 = 27.8375 BTC [+] {3}	[21:30]
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nubbins`	benkay hahahahahahah	[21:34]
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benkay	hey has anyone done any work estimating mining returns with infinite series?	[21:38]
benkay	monte carlo all the butts...	[21:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0302497 = 0.3025 BTC [+]	[21:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00082088 = 20.9324 BTC [+]	[21:39]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00082242 = 16.2839 BTC [+] {2}	[21:41]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 35 @ 0.03025 = 1.0588 BTC [+]	[21:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26676 @ 0.00081709 = 21.7967 BTC [-] {3}	[21:46]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07079 = 0.2832 BTC [+]	[21:50]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8667 @ 0.00082367 = 7.1387 BTC [+] {2}	[21:52]
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Blazedout419	[12:54pm] <+danielpbarron> ;;rated Blazedout419	[22:03]
Blazedout419	lol your ratings are a joke	[22:03]
Blazedout419	so far down my list	[22:03]
kakobrekla	o look	[22:04]
kakobrekla	its the forum investor	[22:04]
Blazedout419	;;ratingsystem getrating danielpbarron	[22:04]
gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask danielpbarron!~dpb@c-71-232-150-212.hsd1.ma.comcast.net . User danielpbarron, rated since Thu Mar 21 17:26:04 2013. Cumulative rating 14, from 19 total ratings. Received ratings: 15 positive, 4 negative. Sent ratings: 61 positive, 11 negative. Details: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=danielpbarron	[22:04]
Blazedout419	oh look I bought shares a year ago who cares	[22:04]
Blazedout419	a whopping 1.5 BTC worth	[22:04]
kakobrekla	skinkavaj is that you?	[22:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0708 = 1.416 BTC [+]	[22:05]
Blazedout419	no idea what that means	[22:05]
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Blazedout419	what amazing service do you run	[22:05]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[22:05]
kakobrekla	indeed	[22:05]
Blazedout419	I just mine..not invest so	[22:05]
Blazedout419	I do like to keep an eye on this stuff though	[22:06]
mike_c	hah! get it? what AMAZING bot does kako run?	[22:06]
mike_c	aw. assbot fail. amazing.	[22:06]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[22:06]
kakobrekla	:)	[22:06]
TomServo	;;gettrust Blazedout419 assbot	[22:07]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user Blazedout419 to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Blazedout419&dest=assbot \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot \| Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014	[22:07]
Blazedout419	derp	[22:07]
kakobrekla	Blazedout419 you are barley making sense	[22:07]
kakobrekla	on the one hand you claim you are not an investor yet 'invested' only x amount	[22:07]
Blazedout419	1 investment	[22:07]
kakobrekla	then that x amount barely counts as an investment	[22:07]
kakobrekla	so which is it	[22:07]
Blazedout419	1.5 bitcoins	[22:07]
Blazedout419	I like to watch the securities though	[22:08]
Blazedout419	it amuses me how people keep buying them with the same result over and over	[22:08]
Blazedout419	Nasty is atleast honest	[22:08]
kakobrekla	lol	[22:08]
Blazedout419	unlike most of the ones I see	[22:08]
Blazedout419	like icedrill	[22:08]
Blazedout419	that is a train wreck	[22:08]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17650 @ 0.00082029 = 14.4781 BTC [-]	[22:09]
Blazedout419	how is nasty a scam...I must be dense to not see it	[22:09]
kakobrekla	you must be.	[22:09]
Blazedout419	enlighten the dumb folks	[22:09]
kakobrekla	no.	[22:09]
Blazedout419	so aka you just troll with no back up	[22:09]
Blazedout419	got it	[22:10]
Apocalyptic	i don't think kako's trolling	[22:10]
Blazedout419	then tell me why it is a scam	[22:10]
kakobrekla	tell me how is it not	[22:10]
Blazedout419	has it made good priofit = no	[22:11]
benkay	Blazedout419 you are barley making sense // wheat are you going on about	[22:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 617 @ 0.00082238 = 0.5074 BTC [+]	[22:11]
Blazedout419	<+benkay> Blazedout419 you are barley making sense // wheat are you going on about	[22:11]
[]bot	Bet placed: 3.5 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) Jan 2015 over $200 at any point in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/776/ Odds: 35(Y):65(N) by coin, 39(Y):61(N) by weight. Total bet: 14.48541412 BTC. Current weight: 64,854.	[22:11]
TheNewDeal	yuppp	[22:11]
Blazedout419	indeed	[22:11]
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Namworld	Assuming it offers X for Y and delivers X for Y, even if X for Y is a bad proposition... it's not really a scam if it delivers exactly what someone bought.	[22:12]
Namworld	Not sure about Nasty, no clue of the specifics.	[22:12]
benkay	did it roi at all?	[22:12]
Blazedout419	not for me	[22:12]
benkay	all i know is that ognasty was a hxc pirate shill	[22:12]
Blazedout419	but that does not make it a scam	[22:12]
benkay	;;gettrust ognasty	[22:13]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user ognasty: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=ognasty \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ognasty \| Rated since: Sat Sep 1 22:15:19 2012	[22:13]
Blazedout419	everything is public with them	[22:13]
kakobrekla	ognasty is some retarded pothead with no clue about clue	[22:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0708 = 0.708 BTC [+]	[22:13]
Blazedout419	kakobrekla how is it a scam	[22:13]
benkay	who runs nastymining?	[22:13]
Blazedout419	not profitable yes scam = how?	[22:13]
kakobrekla	Blazedout419 exercise for alert reader.	[22:13]
Blazedout419	OgNasty does	[22:13]
danielpbarron	<+Blazedout419> lol your ratings are a joke << the reason I queried my rating of you was to show that I had given you a -1 long before it was discovered that you somehow had enough +1's to get voice in here (as in, not my fault)	[22:13]
Blazedout419	I am a good trader...why is it surprising	[22:14]
Blazedout419	I am honest	[22:14]
Namworld	Well could you all do me a favor and vote on this poll? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=650783.0	[22:14]
assbot	[POLL] Coinroll Color Scheme	[22:14]
danielpbarron	Blazedout419, because you are stupid, and stupid is generally not given voice in here	[22:14]
Blazedout419	lol	[22:14]
Blazedout419	go thump more bibles	[22:14]
kakobrekla	its true.	[22:14]
Blazedout419	yeah I am dumb because you say something is a scam with no proof	[22:15]
Blazedout419	just explain the scam part	[22:15]
Blazedout419	not asking for much here	[22:15]
danielpbarron	idk enough about this latest thing, but you are stupid because you don't understand the WoT (according to my rating)	[22:15]
Blazedout419	your rating carries 0 weight	[22:15]
TheNewDeal	oh my gosh. can't believe someone just bet both sides on the bastille day bet with a weight of like 150	[22:16]
danielpbarron	some of my -1s actually prevent users from having voice in here, so i wouldn't call that "0 weight"	[22:16]
Blazedout419	you just spam +1's for no reason	[22:16]
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Blazedout419	anyways i do not care about you or your ratings	[22:17]
benkay	Blazedout419: it's a scam in the same way all mining things are scams.	[22:17]
benkay	buy also you're getting trolled hard.	[22:17]
benkay	but*	[22:17]
Blazedout419	indeed	[22:17]
Blazedout419	its just a non profitable mining	[22:17]
asciilifeform	;;rate Blazedout419 -10 sp4mz0r	[22:17]
Blazedout419	not a scam	[22:17]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user Blazedout419 has been recorded.	[22:17]
Blazedout419	lol	[22:17]
Blazedout419	oh noes	[22:17]
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Blazedout419	now that is a perfect example of someone who does not understand the WoT	[22:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.07018809 = 1.4739 BTC [-] {3}	[22:19]
benkay	nobody understands the wot ffs	[22:19]
benkay	it's got emergent behavior	[22:19]
benkay	actors and shit	[22:19]
benkay	'agents'	[22:19]
Blazedout419	-10 for a convo he has nothing to do with	[22:20]
Blazedout419	lol	[22:20]
danielpbarron	he apparently doesn't trust you; I wouldn't go as far as to give a -10, but that's just me	[22:21]
benkay	;;gettrust assbot Blazedout419	[22:21]
gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask Blazedout419!~Rogue@76-243-42-60.lightspeed.cntmoh.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Blazedout419: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 6 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Blazedout419 \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Blazedout419 \| Rated since: Sat May 18 17:05:13 2013	[22:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0698667 = 0.2096 BTC [-] {2}	[22:21]
benkay	Blazedout419: i assume asciilifeform wants to shut you up.	[22:21]
danielpbarron	need 2 more to -1 him :p	[22:21]
Blazedout419	ah	[22:21]
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danielpbarron	the -10 is limited to a -1 because assbot only gave out +1s	[22:22]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0695 = 0.139 BTC [-]	[22:24]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.07 = 1.47 BTC [+]	[22:27]
danielpbarron	lol, asciilifeform just picked up a few more enemies from the gaggle of -otc idiots	[22:28]
asciilifeform	;;rate Ssateneth -10 sockmuppet	[22:28]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user Ssateneth has been recorded.	[22:28]
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asciilifeform	;;rate TheButterZone -10 sockmuppet	[22:28]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user TheButterZone has been recorded.	[22:28]
danielpbarron	TBZ is like "nope i don't see it in -otc so it must not have happened"	[22:28]
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asciilifeform	lol	[22:29]
benkay	who do S and T sock for?	[22:30]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00081644 = 5.7151 BTC [-] {2}	[22:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07 = 0.21 BTC [+]	[22:30]
benkay	or is this some advanced trolling that's miles above my head	[22:30]
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pankkake	I hate those "cry to mommy" ratings	[22:30]
Blazedout419	i never said a word	[22:31]
Blazedout419	they saw ratings and sent back	[22:31]
danielpbarron	<+Ssateneth> he needs one more neg rate and he wont be able to rate people << is this true?	[22:31]
Blazedout419	yes	[22:31]
Blazedout419	all depends on your rating to nano	[22:31]
pankkake	now that's actual rating abuse	[22:31]
kakobrekla	lol well this is fun	[22:31]
danielpbarron	;;gettrust nanotube asciilifeform	[22:31]
gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask asciilifeform!~asciilife@pool-71-191-53-82.washdc.fios.verizon.net. Trust relationship from user nanotube to user asciilifeform: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nanotube&dest=asciilifeform \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=asciilifeform \| Rated since: Sun Sep 15 00:06:51 2013	[22:31]
Apocalyptic	danielpbarron, some people have the power to prevent others from rating, yes	[22:32]
midnightmagic	your transitive rating to nano at a certain level, correct. without trust from nanotube you can't rate.	[22:32]
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Blazedout419	indeed	[22:32]
Blazedout419	i didnt even spam here is the silly part	[22:32]
Blazedout419	was asking 1 person about a forum post	[22:32]
Apocalyptic	midnightmagic, what's being evaluated is rating from someone in nano's direct trust	[22:32]
midnightmagic	yeah, nanotube never put much stock in L3 trust.	[22:33]
midnightmagic	So, L2 in buddy's case there.	[22:33]
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pankkake	;;gettrust assbot Ssateneth	[22:34]
gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask Ssateneth!ident@unaffiliated/ssateneth. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Ssateneth: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Ssateneth \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Ssateneth \| Rated since: Fri Jul 13 00:36:40 2012	[22:34]
assbot	Ssateneth +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0	[22:34]
danielpbarron	;;rated Ssateneth	[22:35]
gribble	You have not yet rated user Ssateneth	[22:35]
Blazedout419	!up Ssateneth	[22:35]
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midnightmagic	Ah I'd forgottent hat syntax. Thanks.	[22:35]
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Ssateneth	So what sort of shenanigans is going on in here.	[22:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31300 @ 0.00081643 = 25.5543 BTC [-]	[22:35]
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Blazedout419	not much i got negrated for asking a question about a forum post is all	[22:36]
pankkake	so you rated asciilifeform without knowing?	[22:36]
Blazedout419	for abuse	[22:36]
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Ssateneth	I looked at the http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/	[22:36]
pankkake	but how did he know?	[22:36]
assbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[22:36]
pankkake	isn't that, you know, abuse	[22:36]
Ssateneth	and saw a discussion. No samming. no flooding, nothing.	[22:36]
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danielpbarron	Ssateneth, i'm pretty sure your rating was put in before i linked you to the -assets logs	[22:37]
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Ssateneth	Just saw some random leave a -10 for "sp4mz0r" which, in itself, sounds ridiculous for a -10, especially with no solid proof in the rating.	[22:37]
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Ssateneth	Then i checked to make sure it was unwarranted and I was correct.	[22:38]
danielpbarron	well if you weren't such a nobody, you'd know that asciilifeform is not "some random"	[22:38]
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pankkake	I'm pretty sure organizing mass negrates is abusive behavior	[22:39]
Blazedout419	who organized anything	[22:39]
midnightmagic	just hug it out, everyone will feel better. :)	[22:39]
Blazedout419	they saw it and knew i dont spam	[22:39]
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midnightmagic	+1 oxytocin	[22:39]
Blazedout419	hehe	[22:40]
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Ssateneth	I'm looking at the log though. I see a discussion abotu somethign about 1.5 BTC worth fo shares bought a year ago, and stuff about other securities being scams or not.	[22:40]
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asciilifeform	http://www.informnny.com/media/lib/21/1/3/6/136dce14-6c04-4957-90df-44bb8c6c8190/Story.jpg	[22:41]
Blazedout419	whatever im over it...just dont ask in this chan I guess	[22:41]
danielpbarron	Ssateneth, what flies in -otc doesn't necessarily fly in -assets	[22:41]
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Ssateneth	Then someone who wasnt even involved in the discussion comes out of nowhere and -10's with the reason "sp4mz0r" which in itself sounds pretty immature. If it was something like "Spamming in #bitcoin-assets: http://pastebin.com/blahblah" then I probably would have left it alone.	[22:42]
assbot	Pastebin.com Unknown Paste ID	[22:42]
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asciilifeform	;;rate Blazedout419 -10 spamming in #bitcoin-assets.	[22:42]
Apocalyptic	dat drama	[22:42]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user Blazedout419 has changed from -10 to -10.	[22:42]
danielpbarron	lol	[22:42]
TomServo	lol	[22:42]
pankkake	this is probably the first example of the wot for +v selection failing	[22:42]
pankkake	;;gettrust assbot Blazedout419	[22:42]
gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask Blazedout419!~Rogue@76-243-42-60.lightspeed.cntmoh.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Blazedout419: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 6 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Blazedout419 \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Blazedout419 \| Rated since: Sat May 18 17:05:13 2013	[22:42]
danielpbarron	it's easy to see who to blame ^	[22:42]
pankkake	doesn't change anything if you -10	[22:43]
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asciilifeform	;;rate Blazedout419 -1 spamming in #bitcoin-assets.	[22:43]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user Blazedout419 has changed from -10 to -1.	[22:43]
Ssateneth	;;unrate asciilifeform	[22:43]
gribble	Successfully removed your rating for asciilifeform.	[22:43]
asciilifeform	pankkake: ty	[22:43]
asciilifeform	;;unrate Ssateneth	[22:43]
Ssateneth	Thats more reasonable. I have no qualms with that.	[22:43]
gribble	Successfully removed your rating for Ssateneth.	[22:43]
kakobrekla	well this worked out nice well. now just to get nubbins and Apocalyptic to unrate ;>	[22:44]
kakobrekla	nice and well.	[22:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.07 = 0.98 BTC [+]	[22:44]
Ssateneth	To me, -10 is lke "this guy has definately stolen people's money, and is definately a scumbag you don't want to live near because he'll probably break into your home and steal your valuables" :P	[22:44]
Apocalyptic	kako, you forgot nanotube too	[22:45]
Ssateneth	Anywho, take care, and stuff.	[22:45]
kakobrekla	we will!	[22:45]
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kakobrekla	Apocalyptic afaik he just needs to lose 2	[22:46]
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Apocalyptic	oh I may have a misconception about how assbot evaluates +v then	[22:46]
kakobrekla	l2 > 0	[22:46]
kakobrekla	or l1.	[22:47]
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TomServo	looks like mrs tick ball on in the action too	[22:48]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07 = 0.28 BTC [+]	[22:48]
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kakobrekla	lol	[22:50]
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kakobrekla	dont worry ascii, its just paint guns.	[22:52]
jurov	gentlemen,	[22:52]
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asciilifeform	kakobrekla: turdschmeissers	[22:55]
kakobrekla	lol	[22:55]
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jurov	lol what i wanted to say?	[22:55]
kakobrekla	dunno?	[22:56]
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mike_c	what you wanted to say was: ladies and gentlemen,	[22:58]
mike_c	boys and girls,	[22:58]
mike_c	children of ALL ages	[22:59]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] [PAID] 10.12814390 BTC to 29`438 shares, 34405 satoshi per share	[23:00]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 28 @ 0.02399982 = 0.672 BTC [+] {2}	[23:03]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06999999 = 0.21 BTC [-]	[23:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20901 @ 0.00081881 = 17.1139 BTC [+]	[23:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06999999 = 0.35 BTC [-]	[23:06]
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jurov	kakobrekla i want to mass bitbet but it insists i nave to wait for 3 tries.. is there a way around?	[23:08]
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kakobrekla	hm	[23:10]
jurov	can you, say, lift the limit if the payout address had seen some volume previously?	[23:11]
kakobrekla	wouldnt be much point if there would be a easy workaround	[23:11]
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kakobrekla	i raised the limit now so you can do your thing	[23:11]
kakobrekla	but temporarily.	[23:11]
jurov	above proposal isn't exactly an easy workaround	[23:12]
jurov	thx	[23:12]
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mike_c	i am confused (and curious). what limit are you bumping into? requesting pages?	[23:13]
kakobrekla	requesting deposit addresses	[23:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 22 @ 0.0500009 = 1.1 BTC [-] {3}	[23:14]
mike_c	ah. what's a "3 tries"?	[23:14]
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jurov	twas a brainfart	[23:14]
mike_c	you meant 3 minutes?	[23:14]
kakobrekla	no	[23:14]
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kakobrekla	3 addresses per 45 sec	[23:14]
jurov	i wanted to write "i requested 3 bet addresses"	[23:15]
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mike_c	ah, got it. ty.	[23:15]
jurov	i want to send all it in one tx	[23:15]
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*	assbot gives voice to fluffypony	[23:15]
kakobrekla	several idiots made bots to pull as much addresses from bbet as possible	[23:16]
kakobrekla	but now when they see that simple limit, they stop	[23:16]
asciilifeform	usg cries	[23:16]
midnightmagic	that's.. lame.	[23:16]
midnightmagic	but it will bloat a wallet into oblivion..	[23:17]
kakobrekla	the funny part it is, it wont.	[23:17]
mike_c	you rate limit by ip?	[23:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9562 @ 0.00081917 = 7.8329 BTC [+]	[23:18]
mike_c	(unless you don't want to divulge sekurity measures)	[23:18]
midnightmagic	I have a 204MB wallet here that takes > 2min or so to boot up bitcoind on a 32-core server which seems to suggest it can be done.	[23:18]
midnightmagic	and then for looser evidence, "I" have a >2GB namecoin wallet which makes namecoin nearly unusable without modifying the source as there appears to be a race condition on ResendWalletTransactions()	[23:20]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 74 @ 0.01501068 = 1.1108 BTC [-] {4}	[23:20]
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midnightmagic	note: once booted, that bitcoin node with 200MB wallet will operate at full speed. so when I say "bloat it into oblivion" I'm referring to bootup times.	[23:21]
jurov	and it needs 200M RLIMIT_LOCKMEM or such	[23:21]
jurov	otherwise it just silently drops connections	[23:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06999989 = 0.7 BTC [-]	[23:22]
kakobrekla	200mb wallet, thats decent	[23:25]
kakobrekla	thats from some automated service or you did 200 megs of manual	[23:26]
kakobrekla	must be a lot of change :)	[23:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.0299 = 0.598 BTC [-]	[23:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32900 @ 0.00081631 = 26.8566 BTC [-] {2}	[23:28]
kakobrekla	one of my oldest wallets from early 2011 has 6k txes and only 25megs	[23:28]
fluffypony	my Electrum wallet.dat is 102 bytes	[23:29]
fluffypony	oh well.	[23:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 67 @ 0.06999999 = 4.69 BTC [+] {2}	[23:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.024 = 0.12 BTC [+]	[23:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0709 = 0.709 BTC [+]	[23:32]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Wait, there is a levorotary Kansas nao too? Qunatrill must have missed it.	[23:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.0709 = 1.2053 BTC [+] {3}	[23:33]
jurov	kakobrekla: i got what i needed, thx	[23:34]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: well, if there's an r-kansas...	[23:34]
BingoBoingo	I just hope there isn't a dexkansas	[23:35]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07095 = 0.3548 BTC [+]	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform but why is the fingerprint over the name	[23:36]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it isn't. that's a 2-layer composite photo	[23:37]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: click the remaining 2	[23:37]
asciilifeform	(top, bottom)	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	aok	[23:38]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: if you're 'mad hatter' enough to have these baked, i'll send you the vectors.	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	so i bought 1/4 kg of prosciutto from this woman that i don't think has ever sold more than 18 grams at a time	[23:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19238 @ 0.00081658 = 15.7094 BTC [+]	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	i also got a box of camembert. INDUSTRIA ARGENTINA	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	will do an unboxing later.	[23:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.071 = 0.426 BTC [+]	[23:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.071 = 0.213 BTC [+]	[23:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.02419083 = 0.1451 BTC [+] {2}	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	Blazedout419: what amazing service do you run assbot:AMAZING COMPANY! << that was pretty cool lol	[23:40]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	NOW we know what that was for. all these years...	[23:40]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.071 = 1.065 BTC [+]	[23:43]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.07095 = 0.9933 BTC [-]	[23:44]
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asciilifeform	from the lolpharms: http://www.blacklistedbitcoins.com	[23:46]
assbot	Blacklisted Bitcoins > Home	[23:46]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: In other news I found the turd that crashed firefox... Gnu Gnash. Firefox somehow installed it as it upgraded. Firefox now when I deign it to run, runs from jail.	[23:47]
asciilifeform	lolz, somebody actually uses gnash?	[23:47]
mike_c	somebody actually uses flash?	[23:47]
mike_c	i thought steve jobs outlawed that	[23:47]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Apparently Nigbuntu bundled it with a firefox uprade.	[23:48]
asciilifeform	and they call us (folks who glue own linuxen from toothpicks in bottles) crazy.	[23:48]
BingoBoingo	mike_c: But all those classic games where the stick figures fight	[23:48]
BingoBoingo	I was insufficiently paranoid.	[23:49]
*	BingoBoingo wonders if he can get the lesser Mac, the Mac Classic online...	[23:49]
asciilifeform	'Those who do not find time for exercise will have to find time for illness.'	[23:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.071 = 0.71 BTC [+]	[23:49]
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BingoBoingo	I guess next week I build a linuxen from toothpicks and take another machine online...	[23:51]
kakobrekla	yeah i should do some exercise.	[23:51]
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asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: do yourself favour and use a box with an mmu (yes, abandon stone age, do bronze age at least)	[23:51]
BingoBoingo	I'll drink on that possiility this weekend.	[23:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.071 = 0.142 BTC [+] {2}	[23:55]
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BingoBoingo	%book	[23:56]
atcbot	35k@250 2k@240 16k@235 \| 49k@143 175k@142 34k@140	[23:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 11 @ 0.07545454 = 0.83 BTC [+] {10}	[23:56]
BingoBoingo	http://www.thewire.com/global/2014/06/iraq-gets-international-help-from-iran/372727/	[23:58]
assbot	Iraq Gets International Help... From Iran - The Wire	[23:58]
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mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[23:59]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 581.64, Best ask: 582.62, Bid-ask spread: 0.98000, Last trade: 581.64, 24 hour volume: 31598.55053292, 24 hour low: 550.0, 24 hour high: 611.99, 24 hour vwap: 582.871423501	[23:59]

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