Forum logs for 13 Jun 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
gribble Current Blocks: 305478 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 953 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 16 hours, 8 minutes, and 34 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12475321178.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 6.11378 [00:00]
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bitcoinpete back to almost 96k th/s [00:00]
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bitcoinpete kakobrekla: time to load up [00:01]
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fluffypony [00:04]
assbot NASA's real life Enterprise may take us to other star systems one day [00:04]
kakobrekla bitcoinpete im always as loaded up as i can be. [00:05]
bitcoinpete kakobrekla: lol ya same [00:05]
bitcoinpete fluffypony: when we can fund nasa for a year with a single btc, i say we ipo that thing [00:06]
fluffypony bitcoinpete: why not IPO the IPO right now? [00:07]
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bitcoinpete on fluffex? [00:08]
bitcoinpete the other real bitcoin stock exchange [00:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19464 @ 0.0008283 = 16.122 BTC [-] [00:08]
fluffypony hmmmmm [00:08]
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fluffypony maybe we should do it properly [00:08]
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fluffypony distributed anonymous corporation [00:08]
jurov first, only and fluffy [00:08]
kakobrekla -- [00:08]
fluffypony on MasterFluff [00:08]
kakobrekla many hater here but our statistic say all: [00:08]
kakobrekla 7305 members with over 2175.6225769231 bitcoins are trusting us! [00:08]
kakobrekla and we still pay the 3% daily profit - we are legit [00:08]
kakobrekla -- [00:08]
fluffypony you have to buy Fluffcoins [00:08]
Apocalyptic Fluffmaid imo [00:09]
fluffypony lol [00:09]
fluffypony SafeFluff [00:09]
bitcoinpete fluffereum [00:09]
fluffypony then you can use your SafeFluffs to trade on Fluffmade [00:09]
fluffypony or sell shares on Myfluffyium Local Trader [00:09]
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bitcoinpete and buy on fluffstamp [00:09]
Apocalyptic where is that from kako ? [00:10]
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fluffypony kakobrekla: sounds like a typical HYIP [00:10]
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kakobrekla Apocalyptic , the best forum in the universe (fuck maddox yeah) many hater here but our statistic say all: [00:10]
kakobrekla 7305 members with over 2175.6225769231 bitcoins are trusting us! [00:10]
kakobrekla and we still pay the 3% daily profit - we are legit [00:10]
kakobrekla o fuck [00:10]
kakobrekla [00:10]
assbot Btc-Banker.Com new hybrid cloud, safe and profitable wallet [00:10]
kakobrekla bad paste there sorry. [00:10]
Apocalyptic ty [00:10]
Apocalyptic url says it all, I see nao [00:11]
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kakobrekla fluffypony you gonna do GLFSE too ? [00:12]
fluffypony LOL [00:13]
fluffypony BitcoinFlourse [00:13]
* davout tips some floge to kakobrekla fluffypony bitcoinpete and Apocalyptic [00:13]
davout let's invite flotcoin and have some fun [00:13]
kakobrekla floge? [00:14]
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kakobrekla ;;ud floge [00:14]
gribble | The hole left behind from a penis piercing, a derogatory term for any real douche- bag (man that Matt Damon is such a floge) [00:14]
fluffypony Flogecoin of course [00:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32100 @ 0.00082576 = 26.5069 BTC [-] {2} [00:14]
fluffypony or that... [00:14]
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davout <+fluffypony> Flogecoin of course <<< this [00:17]
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davout floge -> "The hole left behind from a penis piercing" <<< don't forget to floss! [00:18]
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fluffypony LOL [00:20]
bitcoinpete mircea_popescu: fluffypony you spend entirely too much time on usagi. << is that possible? [00:20]
fluffypony so after S.LIMBS I think mircea_popescu is going to have to do an F.LUFFY [00:20]
bitcoinpete laugh a day... [00:20]
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bitcoinpete f.luffy: the enterprise solution for the starship enterprise [00:21]
fluffypony LOL [00:21]
dub f.luffer a spinoff from klyemax [00:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.00082988 = 24.2325 BTC [+] {2} [00:22]
bitcoinpete spaceporn [00:23]
bitcoinpete now we're talking [00:23]
Apocalyptic dat klye... [00:23]
bitcoinpete we can americanize that japanese shit [00:23]
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jurov africanize [00:24]
jurov like, hentai with black characters? [00:24]
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fluffypony hah hah [00:27]
fluffypony F.LUFF - First Best Greatest Africanized Spacepronz [00:27]
dub ;;ud fluffer [00:27]
gribble | fluffer. (noun) a person in the adult entertainment industry whose job it is to give male porno stars blowjobs in order to get them ready to perform. Where's my ... [00:27]
davout dub: lmao [00:28]
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bitcoinpete jurov: precisely. then sell it back to the chinese civilizers there [00:30]
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benkay [00:33]
assbot USMS Asset Forfeiture Sale [00:33]
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mike_c oh wow [00:34]
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mircea_popescu !up sHINOBI_CZ [00:34]
-assbot- You voiced sHINOBI_CZ for 30 minutes. [00:35]
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kakobrekla -assets should make a bid, like 29500. [00:35]
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mike_c !bid 29501 [00:36]
bitcoinpete "On Monday, June 30, 2014, by 5:00 P.M. EST, the USMS will notify the winning bidder/bidders that their bid/bids has/have been selected." [00:36]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla so is this bccb v2.0 ? [00:36]
fluffypony kakobrekla: you need $200k as a deposit just to bid [00:36]
jborkl mike_c would you give me your opinion of the blue blocks on bcoinnews [00:36]
kakobrekla fluffypony so? [00:36]
mike_c this does not include DPR coins, so.. they don't have control of them? [00:37]
dub ;;market sell 29501 [00:37]
gribble Bitstamp | A market order to sell 29501 bitcoins right now would net 9166242.2850 USD and would take the last price down to 1.4500 USD, resulting in an average price of 310.7095 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 26.0473 seconds [00:37]
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jborkl like or no like [00:37]
kakobrekla no, just offer btc straight [00:37]
bitcoinpete ;;market buy 29501 [00:37]
gribble Bitstamp | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 18158.097 bitcoins, for a total of 19094927.9273 USD and take the price to 99999.9900. | Data vintage: 45.2129 seconds [00:37]
kakobrekla no conversion. [00:37]
davout nice dip! x.eur to the moon! [00:37]
fluffypony lol [00:37]
kakobrekla its gonna be the highest bid. [00:37]
BingoBoingo [00:37]
assbot Target breach: Cyberinsurance is a mess. [00:37]
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mircea_popescu f.luffer a spinoff from klyemax << lol [00:38]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu you mean the bankster ? [00:38]
bitcoinpete this sale will provide some of the best price signal in months [00:38]
mike_c "Transfer Fees. Any transfer fees associated with the transfer of the bitcoins will be paid by the buyer." [00:38]
kakobrekla o fuck then we are out. [00:39]
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mircea_popescu "The USMS will not transfer bitcoins to an obscene public address, a public address apparently in a country restricted by the Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC), a public address apparently associated with terrorism, other criminal activities, or otherwise hostile to the United States." [00:39]
mircea_popescu someone warned them about BingoBoingo buying it [00:40]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla yeah [00:40]
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BingoBoingo lol [00:40]
mike_c hah! kako's bid doesn't count. i'm lowering my bid to 29499 [00:40]
mircea_popescu why wouldn't it cunt? [00:40]
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mike_c he's a foreigner. [00:40]
fluffypony so they won't transfer it to my 1fuck address? [00:41]
fluffypony disappointing. [00:41]
kakobrekla anyway at the rate btc is going this will be pocket money by friday [00:41]
BingoBoingo wait fluffypony you've never seen my vanity address? [00:41]
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fluffypony BingoBoingo: no? [00:42]
BingoBoingo 1LvCuntsJyFFQsLuJhBXBPokbQa7SAyMr4 [00:42]
fluffypony LOL [00:42]
mircea_popescu "its very easy to fuck members serious, hard work -please dont talk shit without any evidence." [00:42]
mike_c i hope warren buys them all [00:43]
mircea_popescu scammer : here's a link to a list of registered businesses. we're the 5th [00:43]
mircea_popescu forum dumb : a tyvm that does a lot. [00:43]
Apocalyptic ^ [00:45]
BingoBoingo [00:45]
assbot Man arrested for parodying mayor on Twitter files civil rights lawsuit | Ars Technica [00:45]
mircea_popescu "BurtW - be honest and say the true, nobody scammed you, you sent to a other address your bitcoins" [00:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00082565 = 14.1186 BTC [-] [00:46]
mircea_popescu burt is kinda putting the elbow grease in huh [00:46]
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BingoBoingo Where is this conversation like thing? [00:47]
BingoBoingo Actual auction dealbreaker "All interested parties must first register with the USMS." [00:49]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo it's piss anyway. some us side fund will buy it, sell it to us, then lose the records. usms can suck it. [00:50]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: And through all of this the Marshalls will be powerless to keep the coins from vulgar addresses that have yet to be imagined. [00:52]
fluffypony "We are in violent agreement." [00:53]
fluffypony lol [00:53]
Apocalyptic I don't even... [00:55]
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pankkake davout: but no VIP section? [00:56]
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pankkake wow btc going down [00:56]
TheNewDeal I hope the price drops like a rock until that auction then just skyrockets back up [00:57]
pankkake understandable, no one should take their users serisously [00:57]
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pankkake well I bought at 480 EUR, hoping to quickly trade it. anothe fail [00:57]
pankkake as long as bitcointalk is a thing btc will stay <1000 [00:58]
davout pankkake: dem sikrit sections i see -> [00:59]
pankkake oh, so a VIP restricted thing. nothing about me in that one? [00:59]
mircea_popescu I hope the price drops like a rock until that auction then just skyrockets back up << lol [00:59]
jborkl 6 in a row for ghash [00:59]
pankkake somehow I feel usagi knew something, and that's why he deleted his post about me "deleting" my posts [01:00]
Apocalyptic somehow I feel usagi knew something // I have trouble to believe that [01:01]
pankkake lol [01:01]
kakobrekla maybe he knew the window isnt real. [01:01]
davout pankkake: the guy is vip? [01:01]
pankkake I thought it was the spoon [01:01]
pankkake davout: all scammers are vip [01:01]
kakobrekla or mods! [01:02]
davout i really don't get the fetish -assets has for this usagi guy [01:02]
pankkake I'm not kidding, the majority of them ran scams [01:02]
davout kakobrekla: OR FRENCH [01:02]
kakobrekla :D [01:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 53 @ 0.0238 = 1.2614 BTC [-] [01:02]
pankkake davout: me neither, they just haven't kept up with the new breed of fail [01:02]
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pankkake it's just that usagi is "still there" [01:02]
mircea_popescu i really don't get the fetish -assets has for this usagi guy << he's diligently stupid and has been for a long time. [01:02]
mircea_popescu our very own ito calculus expert. [01:02]
davout mircea_popescu: at least he's reliable [01:02]
mircea_popescu in this. [01:03]
pankkake but you know there's a guy with huge green trust that still has posts saying pirate isn't a ponzi [01:03]
Apocalyptic pankkake, shocking ! [01:03]
mircea_popescu [01:03]
Apocalyptic the forum is a cesspool [01:03]
assbot Sep 05 00:10:53 *copumpkin throws usagi an ito integral Sep 05 00:12:22 [01:03]
pankkake pretty much all VIPs defaulted at some point [01:03]
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chetty [01:05]
assbot USMS Asset Forfeiture Sale [01:05]
mircea_popescu chetty logs :D [01:05]
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TheNewDeal chetty [01:05]
assbot Image tagged in lawgs - Imgflip [01:05]
pankkake lol [01:05]
TheNewDeal I'm gonna try and promote that one for the next week or so [01:05]
TheNewDeal be forwarned [01:06]
chetty lmao take an hour off and I{m way behind around here [01:06]
pankkake "Cash. The bid must be an all cash offer. Bids that are contingent on financing terms of any kind will not be considered." eh [01:06]
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jborkl davout : Usagi came up with the zero risk asset class - class a is owned by class b - class b is owned by class c and class c owns a and b so there is no risk [01:06]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal not bad [01:06]
TheNewDeal oh my gosh. 200k is forfeited to the USMS if you don't secure a bid [01:07]
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fluffypony mircea_popescu: wow 2012 logs [01:08]
mircea_popescu fluffypony sure. [01:08]
fluffypony didn't realise he's been an ass-hat for *that* long [01:08]
Apocalyptic mircea_popescu, so much pretense in that usagi log extract [01:08]
davout mircea_popescu: haha nice paste [01:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.02372075 = 0.2372 BTC [-] [01:08]
TheNewDeal nvm read that wrong [01:08]
davout pankkake: didn't find much [01:08]
Apocalyptic Seems like he dropped it by now [01:08]
fluffypony my favourite thing about those logs is how dub hasn't changed [01:08]
davout pankkake: he did start a "Donator money" thread but that's about it [01:09]
fluffypony Apocalyptic: he told me that *I don't even know* the stuff he's working on, and by trolling *I've messed up and am going to miss out big* on his super-sekrit stuff [01:09]
davout wasn't he that guy that wanted to start some sort of pottery-related business? [01:10]
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pankkake if he's writting a web wallet as he claims, he will have a hard tard convincing he's not 2.0 [01:12]
pankkake anyway, the web wallets fails make me sad. I think offchain transactions have their uses [01:12]
Apocalyptic which he obviously is [01:12]
fluffypony when that comes up he says he's not writing a web wallet and "you don't even KNOW the stuff I'm writing that's so amazing it'll make the queen's testicles fall off" [01:12]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [01:12]
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dub davout: eskimobob [01:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06992995 = 0.2797 BTC [-] {4} [01:15]
davout dub: oic [01:15]
dub he IPO'd a pottery kiln [01:15]
fluffypony lol [01:16]
kakobrekla in ltc. [01:16]
davout fluffypony: was looking at usagi's last posts, laughed at the "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar" pic, then i looked at who posted it :D [01:16]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic that's how 2012 was all around. that's how people like hearn and maxwell ended up with the notion they're useful or whatever. [01:17]
fluffypony davout: sometimes I'm inspired to troll :-P [01:17]
mircea_popescu my favourite thing about those logs is how dub hasn't changed << yup he still delivers. [01:17]
davout hory shet, last trade at 411 EUR on BC [01:17]
pankkake why can't you manipulate the price davout :( [01:17]
pankkake or at least tell me in advance [01:17]
pankkake scam! [01:17]
mircea_popescu lol [01:18]
kakobrekla ask me [01:18]
davout pankkake: go introduce yourself in the losers thread i guess [01:18]
TheNewDeal ;;ticker [01:18]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 558.02, Best ask: 560.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.98000, Last trade: 555.55, 24 hour volume: 16603.12684761, 24 hour low: 555.55, 24 hour high: 630.36, 24 hour vwap: 602.737963932 [01:18]
davout XD [01:18]
TheNewDeal oooo loving it [01:18]
kakobrekla i unloaded some at 480 [01:18]
kakobrekla need to buy a new fridge. [01:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.249 = 1.743 BTC [-] {2} [01:18]
mike_c who wants to buy a spy house? [01:20]
mike_c [01:20]
assbot U.S. Marshals Selling Russian Spy House in New Jersey [01:20]
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mthreat i'm not sure which is funner to look at, bitpremier or US Marshals [01:21]
mircea_popescu lol [01:21]
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mircea_popescu The house is listed for sale at $444,900 through Fast Track Real Estate Co. of Waldwick, N.J. Built in 1950, the 1,830 square-foot house has four bedrooms, one and a half bathrooms, a recently-updated kitchen, a garage and an unfinished basement. [01:22]
mircea_popescu ill be damned if i pay half a million paperthings for something with "one and a half" bathrooms [01:22]
mike_c no no, you just pay $10k and live a life of indentured servitude to the bank. [01:23]
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Azelphur I'm just imagining a bathroom with a half-cylinder toilet and 50% of a shower [01:23]
mike_c is this not a thing outside US? half-bath means no shower. [01:24]
mircea_popescu mike_c 4 bedrooms, that's what, between 6 and 12 people ? [01:24]
mircea_popescu mike_c all us baths are half baths to begin with [01:24]
mircea_popescu no bidet [01:24]
mike_c hehe [01:24]
Azelphur mike_c: never heard that in UK, also we generally have no bathrooms without a shower, usually it's the bath that gets dropped [01:24]
mike_c 4 bedrooms to me means: master bdrm (2 people), two kids room (2 people), and an office. [01:25]
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mircea_popescu so it's 4 rooms basically. [01:25]
mike_c well, four walled off rooms with doors. [01:26]
mike_c then living room/dining room/kitchen/laundry room, etc. [01:26]
mike_c plus a basement! it's a steal. [01:26]
mircea_popescu i dun see it. [01:26]
Apocalyptic unfinished [01:26]
mike_c montclair is ritzy. pricey town. [01:27]
mircea_popescu what's so ritzy about it ? seems a dorm town like any other [01:28]
mircea_popescu does it have some world class cabaret i never heard of or something ? [01:28]
mike_c it's got old money. enormous mansions. [01:29]
mircea_popescu yes but what's that do for me ? [01:29]
mike_c you get to mow their lawns for money. [01:29]
mike_c plus the schools are good (comparatively), etc. [01:29]
mircea_popescu so basically this is a parent scam thing. [01:30]
mike_c yes [01:30]
mike_c parents and russian spies [01:30]
mircea_popescu "come live in this shitty house that's overpriced instead of underpriced as it should be, because you pay less-than-class for out-of-class items, always. just so you can imagine your kids get better education" [01:30]
mircea_popescu if people used the noggin, a 10k house in a neighbourhood with 30k average houses would sell for 9 not for 11 [01:31]
mircea_popescu it can be 11 when it's in the 3k average neighbourhood [01:31]
mircea_popescu (and is, for that matter) [01:31]
mike_c here 10k house in 30k neighborhood sells for 25 [01:32]
mike_c and 10k house in 3k neighborhood sells for 5 [01:33]
davout mike_c: "you get to mow their lawns for money." <<< or feincoin [01:33]
dub here 10k hours in 30k hood sells for 90k [01:33]
mircea_popescu and 10k house in 3k neighborhood sells for 5 < no it doesn't [01:33]
mircea_popescu all the best-in-class mansions are overpriced for being best-in-class [01:33]
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mircea_popescu you think the guy with the "largest house in north hollywood" is taking a discount because it's so big ? [01:34]
mircea_popescu he expects (and gets) a premium [01:34]
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[]bot Bet placed: 2.5 BTC for No on "Bitcoin price above $800 before July" Odds: 21(Y):79(N) by coin, 28(Y):72(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.06199681 BTC. Current weight: 17,391. [01:36]
pankkake gay [01:37]
fluffypony lame [01:37]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 5 @ 0.042 = 0.21 BTC [01:37]
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TheNewDeal sketchy bet made it past the mods [01:41]
assbot BitBet - FIFA World Cup 2014: goal in under 10 mins :: 0.09 B (68%) on Yes, 0.04 B (32%) on No | closing in 3 weeks 5 days | weight: 96`193 (100`000 to 1) [01:41]
TheNewDeal oh my price is just jumping around, so fun [01:44]
pankkake 0031 penguirker> .131 BTC @ 406.00 EUR ▼ 24H LOW [01:46]
pankkake 0045 penguirker> .120 BTC @ 445.00 EUR ▲ [01:46]
pankkake lol bitcoin-central liquidity [01:46]
pankkake 0046 penguirker> .200 BTC @ 415.00 EUR ▼ [01:46]
kakobrekla bitcoin central is not scammy enough, no vol. [01:47]
mike_c nobody made that ISIL takes baghdad bet huh. looking interesting. [01:48]
fluffypony pankkake: you're supposed to follow that up with "b-c is bankrupt! forum mod is scammerz!" [01:49]
pankkake but forum mod is scammer [01:49]
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* jurov sold for 494 this time xD [01:50]
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benkay ;;ticker [01:52]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 575.5, Best ask: 575.61, Bid-ask spread: 0.11000, Last trade: 575.61, 24 hour volume: 21827.38410632, 24 hour low: 550.61, 24 hour high: 630.36, 24 hour vwap: 595.568343633 [01:52]
davout pankkake: 15 EUR spread, looks legit [01:53]
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davout the advantage is that everybody knows bc is definitely not faking volume :D [01:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5879 @ 0.00082574 = 4.8545 BTC [+] [01:54]
penguirker New blog post: [01:56]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 21 @ 0.02341 = 0.4916 BTC [+] [01:57]
BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats [01:57]
gribble Current Blocks: 305489 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 942 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 13 hours, 46 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12463166408.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 6.01039 [01:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0023302 = 0.233 BTC [-] [01:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 63 @ 0.0231492 = 1.4584 BTC [-] {4} [02:00]
TheNewDeal LO [02:01]
TheNewDeal :O [02:01]
TheNewDeal using $615 predrop and $580 current price, the US Marshalls has lost approximately $1 Million USD since their announcement a few hours ago. [02:02]
benkay nobody ever accused a bureaucrat of understanding the implications of their actions except maybe mircea_popescu [02:03]
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benkay ;;google regulator disproportionate [02:03]
gribble USFDA penalties on Indian pharma cos disproportionate, Anand ...: ; Issues In Regulating the Price Level - Regulation Body of Knowledge: ; India says US FDA imposed (1 more message) [02:03]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal wasn't it more like 650 ? [02:03]
benkay ;;google regulator disproportionate trilema [02:03]
gribble World Energy Trilemma - World Energy Council: ; Notification of close period, value programme and household ...: ; Full-year results statement - (1 more message) [02:03]
benkay eh [02:03]
BingoBoingo [02:04]
assbot Its Time To Publicly Execute Ronald McDonald · Clickhole [02:04]
mike_c don't tweet that link, you'll get banned [02:04]
pankkake I was one of the few kids that never went to mcdonalds [02:06]
pankkake and since I wasn't brainwashed early, I can't make it past the smell [02:06]
pankkake I'm not sure it's smell. it's like greasy air [02:07]
pankkake you can sense humidity, and you can sense greasidity [02:07]
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fluffypony lol [02:08]
fluffypony greasidity [02:08]
mircea_popescu pankkake> I'm not sure it's smell. it's like greasy air << it's the smell. boiled hooves. [02:09]
pankkake I used to walk past a mcdo every day. it was like 100 meters away, but it was down to the road I was on - it fucking stinked [02:11]
pankkake working there = worst than a nuclear plant [02:12]
BingoBoingo At least the nuclear plant acknowledges they handle hazardous substances. [02:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88687 @ 0.00081908 = 72.6417 BTC [-] {4} [02:13]
pankkake exactly [02:13]
kakobrekla eh, bigmac is only mildly radioactive. [02:13]
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kakobrekla you dont even have to clean your teeth with afterwards [02:15]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [02:16]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 555.35, Best ask: 556.32, Bid-ask spread: 0.97000, Last trade: 555.0, 24 hour volume: 23591.28559995, 24 hour low: 550.0, 24 hour high: 630.36, 24 hour vwap: 593.12308676 [02:16]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 10 / 600 [02:16]
gribble 0.0166666666667 [02:16]
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fluffypony [02:23]
assbot My risk assessment of Bitstamp - [02:23]
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kakobrekla takes them a long time to do 1+1 [02:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.070706 = 0.9192 BTC [+] [02:27]
mircea_popescu mike_c there it is [02:29]
assbot Introducing the D. series pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [02:29]
mircea_popescu now what was yur prediction ? [02:29]
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benkay someone tweet at these jackholes for me: [02:30]
assbot Discourse (discourse) auf Twitter [02:30]
benkay "hijacking in browser page search is a crime punisheable by FUUUUUUU" [02:30]
mike_c oh geez [02:31]
TheNewDeal found a good line in that "risk assessment" [02:31]
TheNewDeal I've not talked about Bitfinex since this isn't a sales pitch for them. I've not talked about how they offer leveraged margin trade as well as normal exchange. Nor have I talked about the p2p lending platform where people who don't want to trade can earn swap interest on USD or BTC balance. I've also not mentioned the 5 order types they have: limit [02:31]
TheNewDeal , market, stop, trailing stop, fill or kill; nor about the OCO orders or hidden orders. Bitfinex is truly way ahead of the curve. [02:31]
mike_c i was way off. even with my backup guess [02:31]
davout TheNewDeal: yeah, that was amazing [02:32]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [02:32]
davout fluffypony: fun fact, it's also run by a french dude [02:32]
mike_c my guess was that mpex picked up a new strategic investor. [02:32]
mircea_popescu what, unnanounced ?! [02:32]
mike_c well, unannounced yet! [02:32]
mircea_popescu not happening, that sort of thing. they come and line up when i say [02:32]
mircea_popescu not the fucking other way around. [02:32]
mircea_popescu gotta maintain marketplace discipline, as well as all know our own place in this world. [02:33]
mircea_popescu fluffypony he's also not mentioning the part where bitfinex is a scam ran by the marginally retarded on stolen code. [02:33]
mircea_popescu uh i mean TheNewDeal [02:34]
TheNewDeal hahaha [02:34]
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mircea_popescu "24/04/2014 Since so many people are asking privately about my opinion of BTC/USD price direction so I thought I would write something for everyone." [02:34]
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mircea_popescu leaving aside the part where his "opinions" turn out to be wrong, "hits: 533" [02:35]
mircea_popescu ya dude, totally so many people. it's like a downpour of people. [02:35]
mircea_popescu good thing he hosted it on pastebin with like the minimal features and all, i know of no server setups even dedicated that could have served 533 people since april. [02:35]
mike_c well, 1 btc ain't what it used to be anyway :) [02:36]
mike_c [02:36]
assbot Bitcoin Transaction e6a777345ccb5e65ca496a1ef123710f5f17f21d695563be47d1846635cf20d3 [02:36]
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mike_c hopefully that's the right address and not some haxor [02:36]
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mircea_popescu o shit i totally forgot about the bet [02:37]
mircea_popescu you were nuts giving me even odds on a prop like that btw. i mean srsly, am i known for predictability or what,. [02:38]
kakobrekla lol mike_c , ty! [02:38]
mike_c it was for charity [02:38]
mircea_popescu a that, yeah. [02:38]
mircea_popescu i think we're seriously the most charitable people in bitcoin :D [02:39]
mircea_popescu also first and biggest. [02:39]
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mircea_popescu txn 43 [02:40]
mircea_popescu there goes... [02:40]
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mircea_popescu mike_c when you say backup guess, do you mean you had two human language strings hash to the same md5 ? [02:44]
mike_c no, just i had another thought about what it might be that wasn't in the hash (or the bet) [02:44]
mircea_popescu aok [02:44]
BingoBoingo It's not unimaginable... For that md4 would have made more sense though [02:44]
mircea_popescu secret ? [02:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40000 @ 0.00082574 = 33.0296 BTC [+] [02:45]
mike_c not secret, but haven't i been wrong enough today? :) [02:45]
mircea_popescu hehe k [02:45]
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mircea_popescu im curious as a cat what can you ask of me. [02:46]
mike_c now i'm thinking about how to combine x.eur and d.bpay.. [02:46]
mike_c but i guess they are both short BTC [02:46]
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mircea_popescu so buy one sell the other logically [02:47]
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mike_c can't sell either [02:47]
mike_c i can't create either one [02:47]
mircea_popescu bitch @davout, iirc he had some method [02:48]
davout not for dirty muricans [02:48]
mircea_popescu or borrow from someone who holds either [02:48]
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mike_c after all the nice things i said about frenchies today. [02:49]
penguirker New blog post: [02:49]
davout mike_c: :3 [02:49]
davout that was the first thought i had when reading the d.bpay example [02:49]
davout buying it would be at the same time betting on bitpay's success and against btc appreciation [02:50]
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mircea_popescu ;;seen bugpowder [02:50]
gribble bugpowder was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 13 weeks, 6 days, 21 hours, 26 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: Whee... [02:50]
mircea_popescu davout the people who invested in bitpay took the same bet really. [02:51]
mircea_popescu instead of buying btc for their 30mn. [02:51]
mircea_popescu leaving aside the fact that they very well can't buy even 10mn worth of btc. [02:51]
davout how did people bet against btc by investing in bitpay? [02:51]
mike_c well they can now. [02:51]
mike_c ;;calc 30000 * [ticker --last] [02:51]
gribble 17237400 [02:52]
mircea_popescu davout the same way you would by investing in bitpay. [02:52]
davout i'm either understanding this wrong, or parsing it wrong [02:52]
davout hopefully if i do both i benefit from double negative [02:52]
mike_c like you just said.. it's a bet on bitpay and against btc appreciation. [02:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3321 @ 0.00082574 = 2.7423 BTC [+] [02:53]
davout you mean it's betting against btc because you pick a bitpay investment over a btc investment? [02:53]
mike_c right. [02:53]
mircea_popescu davout yes, because they're fuckwitted leeches and instead of helping grow btc they just try to leech it for fiat profit. [02:53]
mircea_popescu much like mtgox in its heyday. [02:54]
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nubbins` ^ [02:54]
davout i was understanding this a bit differently [02:54]
kakobrekla stamp is doing same. [02:54]
mircea_popescu sure. [02:54]
mircea_popescu davout i know. that's kinda how the mpex synthetics ruin the life of these people : they make understanding what's going on so much easier. [02:55]
davout the way i was understanding it was "investing in potato crops is betting against btc appreciation" or at least depreciation of btc relative to potato crops [02:55]
mircea_popescu right [02:56]
mircea_popescu mike_c also, this is a dilemma crafted for your shoesize. so, reits are bad right ? how about seits ? where s stands for ... shit i guess. [02:56]
davout right as in "you got it" or right as in "oh god, where do we start?" [02:56]
mircea_popescu "not even real" estate. [02:56]
mircea_popescu davout right as in what you say is true but it doesn't have much to do with the previous [02:56]
mike_c i will be interested to see how low you have to sell it to get buyers [02:57]
mircea_popescu i'm not incentivised to sell it too low, i don't need the liquidity. [02:57]
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mircea_popescu it's sufficient for my strategic needs for it to be under par. [02:57]
davout for all you know they might be keeping fees in btc, no? [02:57]
mircea_popescu davout sure. so ? [02:58]
davout that'd imply a correlation between their value and the btc fiat rate [02:58]
mircea_popescu only to the most naive of perspectives. [02:58]
mircea_popescu obviously they're not cash-positive if they need 30mn now on top of the 10mn before and the 2.8mn before that or w/e it was. [02:59]
mike_c if they were profitable enough they wouldn't have taken investment.. [02:59]
mike_c damnit [02:59]
mircea_popescu they're just neobee in slow motion basically. [02:59]
mircea_popescu lol [02:59]
mircea_popescu mike_c and notice that my lines are so very much longer too :D [02:59]
mike_c i was doing something else [02:59]
mircea_popescu so was i [02:59]
mircea_popescu and she just came [02:59]
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[]bot Bet placed: 4 BTC for No on "BTC worth over $5000 before 2015" Odds: 32(Y):68(N) by coin, 35(Y):65(N) by weight. Total bet: 17.30076814 BTC. Current weight: 54,089. [03:00]
mike_c fwiw, they seem to have better management than neobee [03:00]
* mircea_popescu sings .. i'm the king of the repartee, the asshole vip... [03:00]
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mike_c but that is saying very little [03:00]
mircea_popescu mike_c sure. hence the slow motion. [03:00]
mike_c yeah [03:00]
mircea_popescu i don't even recall, did they publish their total processed / gross fees for q1 ? 2013 ? anything ? [03:01]
davout well maybe the reason for taking investment is not that they're unprofitable, but that they need it to grow faster, am i missing something obvious to discrimnate between those two? [03:01]
mike_c what about acquisitions? that is a common exit path and could make money for fiat investors. [03:01]
mircea_popescu i know they keep derping about how merchants went from 4k to 40k, but... w/e [03:01]
mircea_popescu davout yes, the neobee connection [03:01]
mircea_popescu mike_c private acquisition is also scam. [03:01]
mike_c davout: point is they aren't cash-flow positive, so they can't be socking away a pile of btc. [03:02]
mircea_popescu for that matter, in no acquihire do the investors see a dime [03:02]
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mike_c no acquihire, sure. but there are profitable acquisitions (for the acquiree) [03:02]
davout mike_c: they published the figures? [03:02]
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mircea_popescu mike_c they're rare. [03:02]
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mike_c davout: they are spending more than they make. this is why they need investment. be it for growth, does not matter. they are still spending more then they make. [03:03]
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mike_c mircea_popescu: see whatsapp [03:03]
davout mike_c: yeah, i understand "cash-flow negative" :D [03:03]
mircea_popescu the best construction for btc value conservation is if their management is good enough to copy, and basically they just take the investment turn it to btc and wait [03:03]
mircea_popescu this we know they're not doing. [03:03]
BingoBoingo First they call MP a pornographer, then they call him a scammer, later the ignore him... Next they call MP a witch? [03:04]
davout the question i'm asking is "how do you know?" [03:04]
mike_c because they keep taking investments. you don't sell pieces of your company for money you don't need. [03:04]
mircea_popescu mike_c yeah ok, sure. facebook is paying 20bn for bitpay because gallipi & his sister gave zuck such good rusty trombones. [03:04]
davout mike_c: makes sense, ty! [03:05]
mircea_popescu lol on 5th pass [03:05]
TheNewDeal this is going horrible. Just tossed some chicken on the stove and now I have to take a shit. Running around the kitchen trying to hold everything in before I can flip [03:05]
mircea_popescu be sure to take the time to type [03:05]
TheNewDeal need something to concentrate on. refuse to flip chicken early [03:05]
mircea_popescu do you know what peristalsis means ? [03:06]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo shouldn't it be wizard ? [03:06]
mircea_popescu i'm not a woman [03:06]
fluffypony bed time, yo [03:06]
fluffypony night all [03:07]
mircea_popescu later [03:07]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: But they refuse to acknowledge that as well [03:07]
davout aren't there legitimate cases where companies need to raise repeatedly because their current positive cash-flow is not sufficient to address the market as it could be addressed? [03:08]
mircea_popescu hm i guess you're right [03:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00082963 = 25.5526 BTC [+] {2} [03:08]
mircea_popescu davout in theory. [03:08]
davout i guess not for bitpay [03:08]
davout you don't need 10x more engineers to process 10x more payments [03:08]
mircea_popescu once they start laying down rail track and optic fiber... [03:08]
davout i guess that's closer to what you were explaining initially [03:10]
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davout just had a look at their "team" page [03:15]
davout 31 employees [03:16]
davout they must be burning quite some cash [03:16]
nubbins` ^ [03:17]
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mircea_popescu from what i hear this 30mn bought them a lease on life worth about a year. [03:17]
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kakobrekla wheres the easiest to check btc price for june 2012 [03:18]
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kakobrekla o wait nvm [03:19]
ThickAsThieves i dunno, this concept of bitcoin services doing a NASDAQ/NYSE IPO, seems somehow naturally unlikely [03:19]
midnightmagic also, on that team page, manuel araoz builds software that attacks bitcoin [03:19]
* asciilifeform read log - floored [03:19]
asciilifeform S.FUSSA! [03:20]
* ThickAsThieves scrapes asciilifeform from the ground. [03:20]
asciilifeform ('former') [03:20]
mircea_popescu hm ? [03:20]
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BingoBoingo Another problem with Bitpay is they have a habit of hiring "names" [03:20]
assbot Bitcoin Foundation Board Member Elizabeth Ploshay Joins BitPay [03:20]
ThickAsThieves oh geez... [03:20]
davout mircea_popescu: well, if you count $10k/month/person that's like 3.6mn/year in salary, that's not *that* much compared to what they raised, and they haven't been 30 for that long o a time i'd assume [03:20]
ThickAsThieves she did seem to be a decent little worker bee for btcf at the conference [03:21]
midnightmagic inb4 someone finds englund's rehire [03:21]
ThickAsThieves but i cant imagine what she;d offer bitpay [03:21]
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BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: Continued BTCFundnation goodwill... [03:21]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla set to 2 years load raw data ? [03:21]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.2421 = 0.7263 BTC [-] [03:21]
assbot Bitcoin Charts / Charts [03:21]
dub she seemed retarded in the 'election' interview [03:21]
Apocalyptic heh [03:21]
mircea_popescu inb4 someone finds englund's rehire << lol k/ [03:22]
nubbins` ^^ [03:22]
kakobrekla i found that rtbtc goes back enough [03:22]
ThickAsThieves <+BingoBoingo> ThickAsThieves: Continued BTCFundnation goodwill... /// isnt bitpay already a plutonium level supernode sponsor member? [03:22]
mircea_popescu lol [03:22]
kakobrekla also check this out, 2 years or derping [03:22]
kakobrekla [03:22]
assbot [] NASTY MINING | POOL | COINS [03:22]
kakobrekla 60% loss [03:22]
kakobrekla if my maff is right. [03:22]
mircea_popescu lol [03:23]
bloctoc if bitpay takes 3 days to receive the fiat. That's a loan essentially in BTC to be repaid in USD. so, they're shorting btc and will always be shorting the bigger they get. [03:23]
mircea_popescu kinda [03:23]
ThickAsThieves meh [03:23]
ThickAsThieves a flimsy point [03:23]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: re: ad-hoc ir spectrometer discussion: no dice. not that you can't train, e.g. neural net to distinguish mdma from shoe polish - you can. but the objective of identifying synthesis byproducts (basement lab folks rarely bother with recrystallization) - this one takes actual brains. [03:23]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's a toy. [03:24]
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ThickAsThieves ascii, i finished anathem, thanks [03:24]
asciilifeform a toy that will hasten the owner's death, if used as theorized here [03:24]
asciilifeform ThickAsThieves: fun [03:24]
mircea_popescu the owner is already swallowing random dusts from strangers. [03:25]
mircea_popescu hard to hasten [03:25]
asciilifeform 'risk homeostasis' [03:25]
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mircea_popescu mircea_popescu: well, if you count $10k/month/person that's like 3.6mn/year in salary, that's not *that* much compared to what they raised, and they haven't been 30 for that long o a time i'd assume << you know the donner party also wasn't as large before as it was at the point it starved to death. [03:26]
ThickAsThieves and to whomever recommended Antifragile, it was exactly the next book I was looking for, great so far [03:26]
mircea_popescu it is a great book [03:26]
asciilifeform so far my favourite taleb is that link mp posted earlier [03:27]
ThickAsThieves it puts into words concepts ive always kinda had theories about [03:27]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah this is an interesting point. people believe [because they're trained in school to believe and they never examine it ?] that the "proper" form is and they're at their best in book form [03:28]
davout mircea_popescu: donner? [03:28]
mircea_popescu whereas an uncombed, out of bed appearance like those notes is actually better according to the readers [03:28]
mircea_popescu which is kinda why blogs beat books. [03:28]
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mircea_popescu davout some dudes, tried to traverse the utah salt marshes, died. [03:29]
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mircea_popescu and this is perhaps the first time i used "dude" in its proper fucking sense in this chan. go me. [03:29]
asciilifeform [03:29]
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asciilifeform ^ earlier discussion of items like the taleb notes [03:29]
davout mircea_popescu: tried dictionary, should've tried wikipedia instead XD [03:29]
mircea_popescu i dare say the taleb notes and the gangue of great minds found at their burial are not the same [03:30]
ThickAsThieves thx [03:30]
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asciilifeform quite true, not the same. which is why it's a crying shame gauss, etc. didn't get to print their notebooks while at their best [03:30]
mircea_popescu i wonder if taleb reads this line before he dies. [03:30]
asciilifeform doesn't much matter, he already 'did the right thing' [03:31]
mircea_popescu sure. [03:31]
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bloctoc I don't wish to be pedantic, but the donner party did not just die, they ate each other. [03:32]
ThickAsThieves i'm totally ignorant of taleb other than gaining a familiarity of his name from you guys over the months [03:32]
ThickAsThieves he paints himself as disliked by his peers, is that the case? [03:32]
mircea_popescu "IPO - 6/12/12 Seat Price: $1.54 BTC Distributed: 0 [03:32]
mircea_popescu Now - 6/12/14 Seat Price: $22.20 BTC Distributed: 0.056 BTC [03:32]
mircea_popescu Thanks everyone for the incredible amount of support on this project! I hope we're just getting started." [03:32]
mircea_popescu ahaha epic. EVERYONE MADE ROI HAND OVER FIST!!11 [03:32]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves he doesn't have peers. [03:33]
ThickAsThieves fair enough [03:33]
asciilifeform ThickAsThieves: taleb, as i understand, bet on us collapse, raked in the dough. [03:33]
mircea_popescu he's disliked by the people who imagine he's not their peer. [03:33]
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ThickAsThieves it seems odd to me, since so far his ideas make plenty sense [03:33]
mircea_popescu yeah, but his simple existence poses some very significant ontological problems to many folk in socialist academia [03:34]
ThickAsThieves but the human race never fails to find new ways to surprise and disappoint [03:34]
ThickAsThieves has he ever commented on bitcoin? [03:35]
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mircea_popescu nothing substantial [03:35]
mircea_popescu but i'd love to have him in here. [03:35]
davout from what i understand of the black swan, his ideas pretty much destroy the rationales by which risk is managed in traditional finance [03:35]
asciilifeform afaik he never penetrated the 'bozo barrier field' that surrounds it [03:36]
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kakobrekla ok, maff [03:36]
kakobrekla [03:36]
assbot [] NASTY MINING | POOL | COINS [03:36]
mircea_popescu davout asa bonus he has a lenghty list of "i fucking told you so" for various people. [03:36]
ThickAsThieves kako haz a sock! [03:36]
mircea_popescu which is not only unpleasant but in many cases quite dangerous [03:36]
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davout how is it dangerous? [03:36]
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asciilifeform good point, actually. anyone else find it interesting that the man still lives? [03:37]
mircea_popescu davout because to this day about half of the us bureaucracy is shielded by only the flimsy "nobody could have predicted" [03:37]
mircea_popescu it worked for rice by presidential decree [03:37]
davout asciilifeform: "afaik he never penetrated the 'bozo barrier field' that surrounds it" <<< haha, that's probably very true [03:37]
ThickAsThieves hehe i just read the part about he started weightlifting cuz he was worried for his safety [03:37]
mircea_popescu there's no certain reason for it to work for the entire finance bureaucracy [03:37]
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thestringpuller !mpif [03:37]
assbot F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021639 BTC (Total: 432.79 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021703 BTC [-] [03:37]
mircea_popescu and their political position is made more difficult by the presence of the millitant communists in the democrat party. [03:37]
asciilifeform i bet mr. t is cleaning ak as we speak [03:38]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i doubt it. he's actually more expensive to kill than to ignore. [03:38]
mthreat taleb has tweeted about bitcoin twice: [03:39]
assbot Twitter / Suche - bitcoin from:nntaleb [03:39]
asciilifeform ;;google Andrei Amalrik [03:40]
gribble Andrei Amalrik - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; ANDREI AMALRIK Part 1 - Stetson University: ; ANDREI AMALRIK WILL THE SOVIET UNION SURVIVE TO 1984: [03:40]
asciilifeform ^ predicted the collapse of ussr, off by 1/2 decade [03:40]
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asciilifeform died in suspicious accident. [03:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform was he a chechen living in turkmenistan ? [03:42]
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assbot Steve Forbes says U.S. will return to a gold standard [03:46]
mircea_popescu o.O [03:46]
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asciilifeform tungsten standard. [03:47]
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mircea_popescu eh total bs source [03:47]
mircea_popescu forbes didn't say that. [03:47]
mircea_popescu wait. he did ?! [03:49]
ThickAsThieves “Somebody can’t go and use a whole bunch of our patents but then sue us for using one of theirs,” Musk said “That seems like it wouldn’t be a very nice thing to do.” [03:49]
mircea_popescu apparently the guy is a total gold bug. the ever helpful tardopedia : " His 20 year tenure as head of Forbes magazine coincided with the decline of the publication and the Forbes family empire." [03:50]
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benkay grammar question: "the time to is nigh if not upon us already" << y/n? [03:51]
ThickAsThieves i wouldnt accept it [03:51]
benkay grounds of? [03:52]
ThickAsThieves it's implied that you'd know when it was upon you, so surmising whether it may already be is only exposing a state of nigh [03:52]
ThickAsThieves the time is either nigh, now, or passed [03:52]
benkay lol no the implication is that knowing that a thing is upon one is a hard thing to figure [03:53]
mircea_popescu the time to is nigh, if not upon us already [03:53]
dub already upon us, surely [03:53]
mircea_popescu dub it's not globally warmed enough yet. [03:53]
benkay "surely nigh if not already upon us". [03:54]
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benkay implying the thing impends and that i've my eye upon it. [03:55]
benkay huh i seem to like this word. [03:55]
mircea_popescu your eye impaled upon the impending ? [03:55]
benkay on it? [03:55]
benkay my gaze upon it [03:55]
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benkay okay derailment over thanks gents [03:57]
davout mircea_popescu: <<< curious about why [03:59]
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ThickAsThieves cuz it'd draw more attention to his ideas? [04:00]
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davout ThickAsThieves: yeah, i was thinking like car accident or whatever way that wouldn't look suspicious [04:03]
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mircea_popescu for one, things don't look suspicious for what they are, but for what they look [04:07]
mircea_popescu for the other, how do you know what he's stashed away ? [04:07]
mircea_popescu he' [04:07]
mircea_popescu s paranoid enough. [04:07]
davout i see [04:08]
benkay 30 employees, 30mn for 1 year of life...1mn/employee? [04:10]
benkay shit i gotta stop running businesses and start scamming vc's [04:10]
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mircea_popescu benkay also known as moral hazard, this, and why someone's gotta put a stop to it [04:17]
mircea_popescu this is how the generation of your father failed. [04:17]
bloctoc benkay - plus marketing, rent, receivables (mentioned earlier) and plane tickets for CEO to find more money. [04:18]
mircea_popescu actually, failed isn't even the word. we need something strong like the french rate [04:18]
bloctoc is the french rate that ECB negative rate from a week or two ago? [04:18]
ThickAsThieves [04:19]
assbot Place prediction on: Bitcoins seized from Silk Road will be sold for > $600 each [04:19]
mircea_popescu s'ont raté [04:19]
Mats_cd03 lol [04:19]
asciilifeform 'fairlay' ?! [04:20]
asciilifeform 'durasell' for bitbet? [04:20]
thestringpuller what's durasell? [04:21]
ThickAsThieves duracell [04:21]
mircea_popescu one of. [04:21]
ThickAsThieves and energizer [04:21]
asciilifeform nope [04:21]
benkay no derpacel [04:21]
asciilifeform 'durasell' is a chinese battery (with correct colour scheme) sold at 'dollar stores' [04:21]
mircea_popescu sincerest form of flattery and all that. [04:21]
asciilifeform leaks in a few days [04:21]
ThickAsThieves ah [04:21]
ThickAsThieves hehe [04:21]
ThickAsThieves [04:22]
asciilifeform i'dave panicked but russian education (childhood scraping out gunk from leaked sov. batteries) [04:22]
asciilifeform i also once saw 'parasonic' [04:23]
asciilifeform there's probably a number of these. [04:23]
benkay into w [04:28]
benkay [04:28]
assbot Bitcoin API - Chain [04:28]
benkay dorp, 'scuse me. [04:28]
cazalla tfw too poor to own a gameboy, somehow $2 brick from reject shop didn't fill the void [04:28]
asciilifeform cazalla: << 'soviet gameboy' [04:29]
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asciilifeform (really wanna play? it's in various pnohe 'app stores' ! believe or not) [04:30]
asciilifeform [04:30]
cazalla we had similar knock offs in australia, it was my grandmother who bought me brick when i wanted a gameboy with tetris and she tried to tell me it was the same thing [04:32]
asciilifeform what was 'brick' ? [04:32]
asciilifeform actual masonry ? [04:32]
dub lol [04:32]
cazalla similar to this [04:32]
dub I got a rock [04:32]
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dub [04:33]
assbot Charlie Brown: I got a rock - YouTube [04:33]
mircea_popescu you poor kids [04:34]
asciilifeform btw i never had the 'wolf & eggs.' too l33t. borrowed from kid next door. [04:34]
asciilifeform these gizmos were prized rarities. [04:35]
dub I got actual computers [04:35]
asciilifeform we did get an actual computer - 'iskra' - shortly before bailing [04:36]
benkay i never didn't have dsl [04:36]
benkay now guess how old i am [04:36]
asciilifeform [04:36]
dub the one console I recall using was the old pong game that plugged into a tv [04:36]
asciilifeform i still remember the shock of encountering widgets that resembled actual comp but weren't programmable. [04:37]
asciilifeform (tv consoles) [04:37]
asciilifeform said 'wtf' [04:37]
dub but around age 6 I had my book (yes book) of games and c64 [04:37]
asciilifeform dub: had same, after coming to usa [04:37]
ThickAsThieves ;;later tell mike_c [04:37]
gribble The operation succeeded. [04:37]
assbot How To Shave Altcoin! Er, Save Altcoin! - [04:37]
dub no storage so you input the game in basic and had to do it again when your mom made you turn it off [04:38]
mircea_popescu btw i never had the 'wolf & eggs.' too l33t. borrowed from kid next door. << that kicked ass [04:38]
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asciilifeform << 'i dontwanna use the blockchain, mitm me please' [04:41]
kakobrekla It is true that Bitcoin outperformed Nasty Mining. Bitcoin had an amazing 2 years of growth and was exposed to billions of people. However, funds invested in Nasty Mining were spent in USD on items that are valued in USD. In fact, pretty much everything is valued in USD (or your local fiat currency), which is why BTC is valued at the conversion rate at the time of transfer to any real organization. It only makes sense to value Nasty Mi [04:41]
kakobrekla USD when comparing it over time. The performance we've had is astounding, and just because it lags behind the performance of Bitcoin should not take away from that. We've still managed to outperform more than 99% of the other things you could have spent your BTC on. Silver for example was $28.50 on our IPO date and is $19.50 now, yet I don't see you trolling silver dealers on here. [04:41]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [04:41]
ThickAsThieves lol [04:43]
mircea_popescu but around age 6 I had my book (yes book) of games and c64 << i had one of those too [04:43]
mircea_popescu ahahaha [04:44]
mircea_popescu " The performance we've had is astounding, and just because it lags behind the performance of Bitcoin should not take away from that." [04:44]
mircea_popescu epic. [04:44]
mircea_popescu << nice bots mod6 [04:44]
assbot How To Shave Altcoin! Er, Save Altcoin! - [04:44]
mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot unbalanced [04:46]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user unbalanced: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never [04:46]
mircea_popescu ;;rate unbalanced 1 ATC fanboi. [04:46]
gribble Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings. [04:46]
mircea_popescu !up unbalanced [04:46]
-assbot- You voiced unbalanced for 30 minutes. [04:46]
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mircea_popescu srsly get in the wot will you. [04:46]
unbalanced Thanks, it's on my to do list. [04:46]
mthreat mircea_popescu: this c64 talk reminds me, the owner of krakow bar in san telmo is an oldschool c64 hacker from poland. [04:47]
assbot Bares San Telmo | Krakow Bares en San Telmo | Bares Buenos Aires [04:47]
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mircea_popescu prolly should have a drink with him then [04:47]
mircea_popescu course mine wasn't an actual c64, butmoar like a clone48 [04:47]
unbalanced Got partway done months ago in one of my VMs, I'll have to dig it up. BingoBoingo's tutorial was a good help. [04:47]
mthreat actually i think he said c32, which i didn't even know existed [04:48]
mthreat he also corrected me when I said i'd seen a pic of him with an ak-47. apparently it wasn't an ak [04:48]
asciilifeform c32 << prob. vic-20 [04:49]
unbalanced No Commodore32 but maybe the Amiga CD32: [04:49]
assbot Amiga CD32 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [04:49]
mircea_popescu amiga ya [04:49]
asciilifeform amiga << nothing like c64. almost a real computer. [04:49]
unbalanced Vic-20, those were the days. [04:49]
justusranvier [04:49]
asciilifeform sank the company, too [04:49]
assbot Maidsafe and Mastercoin: The first crypto-coin Kickstarter was a wildly successful $7 million disaster. [04:49]
mircea_popescu so im fishin' in rift an' shootin' da breeze in -assets. what better lyf is there. [04:49]
asciilifeform (not compatible with massive c64 cult install base) [04:49]
diametric so SR coins up for auction [04:50]
diametric soon anyway [04:50]
diametric should read scrollback, i'm assuming it was the topic for a while [04:50]
mthreat mircea_popescu: anyway his name is tomas, if you go by there [04:50]
asciilifeform diametric: yes [04:50]
mircea_popescu justusranvier so much lulz in there. [04:51]
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justusranvier It doesn't look so good for the appcoin pumpers [04:53]
mircea_popescu for them, no. [04:54]
mircea_popescu We took advice from the US lawyers via BitAngels and also local lawyers in Scotland, [04:54]
mircea_popescu ajajaja [04:54]
mircea_popescu this is like textbook dumb. [04:54]
asciilifeform re: c64, obligatory jack tramiel: [04:54]
assbot Jack Tramiel, a Pioneer in Computers, Dies at 83 - [04:55]
mircea_popescu “All issuers selling securities to the public must comply with the registration provisions of the securities laws, including issuers who seek to raise funds using Bitcoin,” said Andrew J. Ceresney, the SEC’s enforcement director in a press release. “We will continue to focus on enforcing our rules and regulations as they apply to digital currencies.” [04:55]
mircea_popescu lawl. they do not apply, they never will apply. [04:55]
mircea_popescu Jacob Farber of Perkins Coie who advises Bit Angels wrote, “It seems pretty clear that there was no intentional market manipulation. The question is whether there was an ‘appearance of market manipulation’, or an ‘unintended market manipulation’.” <<< it's pretty obvious that there was quite intentional, and quite fraudulent, market manipulation. [04:57]
mircea_popescu cause when you go "let's do this thing that'll make our worthless turd look valuable" that's what you're doing. [04:57]
mircea_popescu anyway, pretty good reporting from Kashmir Hill [04:59]
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justusranvier DId you read the pastebin? [05:01]
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mircea_popescu justusranvier the unbalanced one ? yua [05:06]
justusranvier To my untrained eye, it looks like certain people got a unhappy with DJohnston using their reputations without their consent, so they kicked him out of BitAngles into his own sandbox. [05:08]
mircea_popescu Many knowledgeable observers called the whole thing a success. Irvine’s team wound up with three million in BTC after all. Ryan Galt, an investor who blogs as Two-Bit Idiot, noted the “pump-and-dump” that happened but said the number one takeaway was to make sure to get in early when a “hot new coin-related startup announces a crowdsale.” “You better be ready to buy the second it goes live,” he wrote. [05:08]
mircea_popescu heh. [05:08]
justusranvier What's sad is the number of Bitcoin startups that were taking advice from him. [05:08]
mircea_popescu "startups" [05:08]
mircea_popescu a collection of three idiots does not become a startup through their declaration to that effect, in my view. [05:09]
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justusranvier Anyway, a lot of businesses trying to get involved in Bitcoin got some bad advice from him. Some of them did ask around for second opinions though, and avoided that particular pitfall anyway. [05:09]
mircea_popescu byut anyway, the circus is the circus. this is why we call it the circus, this is why we despise it, this is what it does. [05:09]
mircea_popescu "vcs", "entrepreneurs", "consulting", "conferences", "startups", "deals", "investing" and so on and so forth till you're bored. [05:10]
mircea_popescu that's good then. [05:10]
unbalanced I was at the Bitcoin Hackathon in Toronto a couple of months back, and DJ was a judge. [05:10]
mircea_popescu people are incredibly arrogant, so a bunch of them getting hurt badly is good news. [05:10]
unbalanced I didn't win a top place... my stuff wasn't good enough but more importantly it seemed, not "decentralized" enough. [05:11]
mircea_popescu lol k [05:11]
unbalanced It took place right inside Ethereum HQ [05:11]
mircea_popescu listen, [05:11]
unbalanced By the time I left that conference I thought Bitcoin was a cult of decentralization. Decentralize all the things! [05:12]
mircea_popescu on one hand it's completely irrelevant who "judges" these things, just like the people running around begging perelman to take their "award" so they may say "o we gave perelman an award, please think we matter" are irrelevant to math [05:12]
ThickAsThieves the cult takes new forms over time [05:12]
unbalanced Agreed. I walked away from several folks when I began to get the cray-cray vibe. [05:13]
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justusranvier I tried: [05:13]
assbot Decentralized Applications: It's Time for an Intervention | Bitcoinism [05:13]
mircea_popescu on the other hand, what difference does it make anyway ? not like any human being at an accessible pay grade can judge your thing anyway. [05:13]
unbalanced I usually *give off* the cray-cray vibe when it comes to Bitcoin. Didn't expect people could outdo me for tech optimism. [05:14]
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mircea_popescu just go to the hackathon as you go to the bar, not like you go to school. it's a social function. [05:14]
mircea_popescu i don't believe this crap is aptly described as optimism. [05:15]
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mircea_popescu this is to the conference circuit roughly what porn is to legitimate acting : the place failures go to die. [05:15]
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mircea_popescu if the people involved were smarter, they'd be selling detergent and used cars. [05:16]
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mircea_popescu !up unbalanced [05:16]
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mircea_popescu srsly get with that wot [05:16]
mircea_popescu justusranvier not bad. [05:18]
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unbalanced Thanks I was turning blue. justusranvier, nicely done [05:18]
BingoBoingo unbalanced: If you did the GPG guide that's the hard part... registering with gribble doesn't hurt at all [05:18]
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unbalanced Not sure if i can get to that VM from here. I'll take a stab. [05:19]
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mircea_popescu why's your gpg in a vm anyway [05:22]
unbalanced But before I do, I agree MP, I didn't take not winning the hackathon badly, I only said my thing wasn't "good enough" because a) it wasn't all done in time and b) my math was less than accurate. Empirically not good enough for anyone to use. [05:22]
mircea_popescu well that's kinda how these thons work. not enough time really. [05:22]
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mircea_popescu justusranvier "Using the global public ledger that allows for multilateral decision making means that retaining financial privacy is, to put it lightly, problematic. It’s possible to achieve, but doing so is a difficult and delicate process where mistakes are easy to make and also permanent." i don't understand this part, at all. [05:23]
unbalanced I don't have a lot of hardware is why... at the time I was on a Windows machine using a Linux VM. Now I'm pure. Linux. [05:23]
mircea_popescu how is blockchain any less anon than cash ? [05:23]
mircea_popescu unbalanced oic [05:24]
justusranvier Because there are always sidechannels [05:24]
justusranvier And badly written clients [05:24]
unbalanced Carelessness + pattern recognition etc. [05:24]
mircea_popescu justusranvier so are there for cash. [05:24]
mircea_popescu talkative prostitutes and bills of sale [05:24]
justusranvier Cash doesn't have an eternal, publicly searchable ledger [05:24]
mircea_popescu according to whom ? [05:24]
justusranvier Is there a where anyone can view every transaction that ever occurred with a given bill? [05:25]
mircea_popescu all the cash that exists exists. by this it can be counted [05:25]
mircea_popescu there you go. [05:25]
mircea_popescu anyone capable of busting in can count your cash as well as you can [05:25]
mircea_popescu but you're not proposing the correct equivalence [05:26]
justusranvier Sure, but that can't traced its history [05:26]
mircea_popescu neither can bitcoin's. [05:26]
justusranvier In many cases, you can. [05:26]
mircea_popescu in many cases you can for cash too [05:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15151 @ 0.00082999 = 12.5752 BTC [-] [05:26]
mircea_popescu like, if you leave a fingerprint on a bill [05:26]
mircea_popescu or if you get caught with series-fixed bills after a bank robbery [05:27]
mircea_popescu or w/e [05:27]
justusranvier All of those approaches you mention for cash only operate on a subset of the "address space". Graph analysis of the blockchain can look at the entire data set, forever. [05:28]
justusranvier People skilled in that art can do a lot more, given the improved access to information [05:28]
mircea_popescu i doubt this is true. [05:29]
mircea_popescu because correspondingly, you are forced by cash to physical interaction [05:29]
justusranvier This isn't even a particularly good tool, and it breakes mixing: [05:29]
assbot CoinJoin Sudoku | Weaknesses in SharedCoin, and CoinJoin research. [05:29]
mircea_popescu there's little way to avoid it. not so with bitcoin [05:29]
mircea_popescu mixing is a joke. break bitbet mixing. [05:29]
justusranvier I'll suggest that [05:30]
mircea_popescu so you know, getting caught with cash in your possesion can be a forced mistake [05:30]
mircea_popescu getting caught with bitcoin can never be a forced mistake [05:30]
mircea_popescu anyway, the fact that bitcoin is not actually traceable, and all the sophistry of taint can at most produce persuasion is one of the largest points of pressure applied by bitcoin to human society. it may result in the "reasonable doubt" standard being taken out. [05:34]
mircea_popescu much in the way the internet has forced the brits into their first secret "trial", something they've not had in about 11 centuries. [05:35]
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justusranvier I think we will get privacy on the blockchain eventually. [05:38]
justusranvier Not until Bitcoin Core is dethroned as the monolopy full node implementation though [05:38]
mircea_popescu this boggles. what do you mean eventually ? [05:38]
mircea_popescu i have it right nwo. it's there. [05:38]
mircea_popescu anbd what throne lol. a bunch of redditards with ten bitcoin between them that keep downloading the power ranger code ? [05:39]
justusranvier It's there for people who are extremely careful and make no mistakes. [05:39]
justusranvier There are better ways of achieving privacy that aren't quite so fragile [05:40]
mircea_popescu so basically the idea is to make it more accessible ? [05:40]
justusranvier Basically [05:40]
mircea_popescu cause otherwise this discussion is exactlylike email privacy. i have all the email privacy i could want, because gpg [05:41]
mircea_popescu you're gonna tell me there's no privacy in email either ? [05:41]
justusranvier All the email privacy you could want? You must not want to have privacy regarding the fact that you're sending messages, nor the recipients of those messages. [05:42]
justusranvier Or subject lines [05:42]
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mircea_popescu lol because why ? [05:42]
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mircea_popescu an email can come from any arbitrary address you wish it to. [05:43]
mircea_popescu it can be read in transit by any party that wishes [05:43]
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thestringpuller !up chax [05:52]
thestringpuller ~_~ [05:52]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i have it right nwo. it's there << rewrote btcd? [05:56]
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asciilifeform or - privacy. aha [05:57]
mircea_popescu privacee [05:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.03 = 0.18 BTC [+] [05:58]
mircea_popescu speaking of which, i wonder what % of 4chan pics are steganographically loaded [05:58]
asciilifeform for dumb stego, easy to test. [05:58]
mircea_popescu as a sort of pastebin email thing [05:58]
asciilifeform one fellow came up with... 1 in 5 [05:58]
unbalanced Thanks ascii. [05:58]
mircea_popescu anyone bored enough to run a little experiment ? [05:58]
unbalanced I remember now where I locked up months ago with GPG. [05:59]
asciilifeform (dumb stego --> generally low-order colour bits) [05:59]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yup [05:59]
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* asciilifeform once spent most of a year experimenting with image stego [05:59]
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asciilifeform stego works best as 'part of a balanced diet' with proper crypto [06:00]
unbalanced I set it all up, using Seahorse... but I have to put a public key "out there" so people could encrypt messages to me. [06:00]
mircea_popescu happy friday the 13th btw [06:00]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1797 @ 0.00006225 = 0.1119 BTC [-] {2} [06:01]
unbalanced So I tried the "Sync and Publish Keys..." link on the "Remote" menu in Seahorse. And the warning message pops up: [06:01]
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unbalanced "This will publish the keys in your key ring so they're available for others to use. You'll also get any changes others have made since you received their keys. 1 key is selected for synchronizing" [06:02]
unbalanced It does NOT say "This will publish the PUBLIC keys in your key ring..." so I thought, "F that!" [06:02]
unbalanced Am I to assume that's what this key management app means in that message? That only my PUBLIC key will be sent out? [06:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24195 @ 0.00083179 = 20.1252 BTC [-] {2} [06:04]
unbalanced I don't like to assume anything when it comes to crypto. [06:04]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: << basic example [06:10]
assbot OutGuess - Steganography Detection [06:10]
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[]bot Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC price to rise above 1oz of gold" Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 18(Y):82(N) by weight. Total bet: 11.60773929 BTC. Current weight: 7,264. [06:12]
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unbalanced Got tips from teward in pm, thanks! Trying it now. [06:16]
mircea_popescu unbalanced i dunnowhat it does, never used it [06:16]
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mircea_popescu you got no cli ? [06:16]
mircea_popescu !up teward [06:17]
-assbot- You voiced teward for 30 minutes. [06:17]
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mircea_popescu ;;gettrust teward [06:17]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user teward: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Thu Jan 16 14:58:46 2014 [06:17]
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mircea_popescu hm, who're you teward ? [06:17]
unbalanced Followed BB's tutorial for noobs about 4mo ago and got halted at this point [06:17]
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teward mircea_popescu: OTC operator, plus emergency op in #bitcoin, i started lurking here after seeing a +1 rating on someone for the purposes of trust tree to the bot [06:18]
mircea_popescu mkay. [06:18]
teward (OTC operator as in +o moderator in -otc) [06:18]
mircea_popescu ;;rate teward New blood. [06:18]
gribble Error: 'New' is not a valid integer. [06:18]
mircea_popescu ;;rate teward 1 New blood. [06:18]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user teward has been recorded. [06:18]
unbalanced Only using Seahorse because of user-friendliness for now. Though I might figure out git next and submit a patch to their pop-up message. [06:18]
mircea_popescu you can self voice now, pm assbot !up once you're id'd with gribble [06:18]
teward this +v can last 2 minutes, but Seahorse is the GUI for user-friendliness of GnuPG/PGP in Linux. :) [06:18]
asciilifeform cli gpg is friendly [06:19]
teward i use it 100% of the time for pgp keyring management, and given I have 20 or so keys, well... :P [06:19]
asciilifeform why the insistence on the rodent, i always wonder [06:19]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it can get gnarly if you manage a lot of keys [06:19]
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justusranvier KGpg [06:19]
teward agreed, asciilifeform, to be honest, CLI is my native environment, I prefer managing my keys via CLI. I just use Seahorse for generating, the GUI has a tiny bit more entropy, and I generate only 4096-strength keys :) [06:19]
asciilifeform GUI has a tiny bit more entropy << ??? [06:20]
mircea_popescu anyone remember usagi's long key generating business ? [06:20]
asciilifeform i hear they generate beautiful keys at ft meade [06:20]
mircea_popescu where he had found a tutorial on the net to make arbitrary length keys and was offering this as a sort of forum-level braindamaged saas ? [06:20]
mircea_popescu he was going to make and export a privkey for you [06:21]
teward asciilifeform: might be because something else is installed alongside seahorse for entropy generation, I dunno. CLI only took an hour for 4096-bit keys. [06:21]
asciilifeform (they should offer a pay service! i bet chumps would flood in) [06:21]
asciilifeform 'insist on NSA™ quality!' [06:21]
mircea_popescu "Given all these downsides, it should be apparent that decentralization isn’t something to aspire to lightly. In fact, it may be better to say that decentralization as a design technique is best reserved as a last resort, only to be used when there are no other suitable alternatives." [06:22]
mircea_popescu justusranvier groks it. [06:22]
mircea_popescu that's exactly what it fucking is. [06:22]
asciilifeform [06:22]
mircea_popescu ".I want to see a future digital economy in which nobody is excluded from participation." "No third party should have the ability to interfere in the voluntary dealings of other people." << do you see these as logically equivalent ? [06:23]
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justusranvier Not equivalent. The latter is a necessary, but not sufficient, condition for the former. [06:24]
mircea_popescu i don't see why anything more is needed or desirable than the latter. [06:24]
asciilifeform, a kindler, gentler key escrow. sorta like lotteries as a more 'humane' tax on the arithmetically-challenged [06:25]
justusranvier If no third party can interfere with the voluntary dealings of other people, then anyone who desires to participate can do so, providing only that they can find a trading partner willing to deal with them. [06:25]
mircea_popescu justusranvier well, more like, you know, rakim. [06:25]
justusranvier And that's a fine condition for particupation [06:25]
mircea_popescu actually, do you know rakim ? [06:25]
justusranvier No [06:25]
mircea_popescu [06:26]
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thestringpuller I know Rakim! [06:26]
justusranvier I remember that now [06:27]
thestringpuller I meet him a lot. [06:27]
mircea_popescu i thought rakim was like the goatse guy [06:27]
asciilifeform seems like we've all met him [06:27]
mircea_popescu sorta universal meme [06:27]
justusranvier I believe I convered that possibility when I said "providing only that they can find a trading partner willing to deal with them." [06:27]
mircea_popescu anyway. it seems to me that adding anything to your latter turns the former into the latter's logical counter. [06:27]
thestringpuller You see Rakim wants what they call nigga technology. [06:27]
thestringpuller ;;ud nigga technology [06:27]
gribble | Useless, pointless technology invented for the apparent purpose of prolonging a simple task beyond the length of time it should take. Nigga Technology is ... [06:27]
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thestringpuller Nigga technology only does one thing. [06:28]
thestringpuller Let dumb niggas [06:28]
thestringpuller talk about dumb nigga shit [06:28]
thestringpuller to other dumb niggas. [06:28]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller eh come on [06:28]
asciilifeform ;;google naggum by mouse instead of by lever [06:29]
gribble Loper OS » The Wisdom of Erik Naggum: ; Loper OS » Engelbart's Violin: ; Worse is Better - Erik Naggum: [06:29]
asciilifeform damn. [06:29]
mircea_popescu If cheating can be easily detected and reversed, then maybe it’s no longer essential to prevent it at all costs and you can build it with a more palatable set of trade offs. << in fact, there's a reason business has since forever run on "eventually correct" bookkeeping [06:31]
mircea_popescu anyway, great blog, kinda shitty platform. mebbe pankkake adds it to teh irker [06:32]
unbalanced BingoBoingo, check yer email, I may or may not have sent you a secret message. [06:33]
mircea_popescu "Ever since the venture capital scene started talking about Bitcoin back in 2013, one of the most frequently cited comments from them is that Bitcoin is interesting for the technology, not the currency. In fact, this mantra has become so common that it almost sounds… scripted." << if you're curious as to the reason, it has to do with them not wanting to go under the yoke that's been awaiting patiently and quite unav [06:33]
mircea_popescu oidably since... 2012. [06:33]
unbalanced So secret I can't even remember what it may or may not have said, if it even exists. [06:33]
mircea_popescu actually nm, you get it exactly one paragraph down. [06:34]
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unbalanced Next up, gribble, reading on. [06:34]
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BingoBoingo unbalanced: Recieved [06:36]
unbalanced Clarification, Bingo's posts led me to Geany for message signing, not to Seahorse. [06:36]
assbot Signature Thursday: Geany a GUI text editor for GPG tasks | Bingo Blog [06:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 340 @ 0.0003016 = 0.1025 BTC [+] {2} [06:36]
unbalanced Or if one of these sent me to Seahorse months ago I don't see it now. [06:37]
mircea_popescu << doesn't this sound like i could have written it ? [06:37]
assbot Bitcoin Is Sedition | Bitcoinism [06:37]
mircea_popescu course if i had it'd not have linked all the darkcoin and "insurection" would have lead to something about the serenissima, but anyway [06:37]
unbalanced It's not clear to me exactly WTF I sync'd with in Seahorse or where I put my public key. Do you see it somewhere Bingo to send a return message I could try to read? [06:37]
unbalanced Oh you're way ahead of me. [06:38]
unbalanced That is, you may or may not be. Way ahead of me. [06:38]
unbalanced This just in, people... PKI works. That is all. [06:40]
asciilifeform lol [06:40]
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BingoBoingo unbalanced: Your pubkey was on sks-keyservers [06:41]
unbalanced Where else do the cool kids hang out? [06:41]
BingoBoingo The reason I didn't recommend Seahorse is it is a pain. Geany has a spell checker at least. [06:41]
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BingoBoingo unbalanced: Well, there's a bunch of other keyservers as well. [06:42]
unbalanced Right, this is all just text, it's just potentially a ton of really-hard-to-read text if you get it mixed up. [06:42]
unbalanced Like if you have 20 keys. [06:42]
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[]bot Bet created: "World Cup 2014: Germany to net more than 7 goals" [06:46]
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mircea_popescu ;;ident unbalanced [06:55]
gribble Nick 'unbalanced', with hostmask 'unbalanced!~unbalance@', is not identified. [06:55]
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-assbot- You voiced unbalanced for 30 minutes. [06:55]
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taub terpy teward thestringpuller ThickAsThieves Tiraspol tjader toddf TomServo tris trixisowned twizt tych0 Tykling [06:57]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38500 @ 0.00083458 = 32.1313 BTC [+] {3} [07:02]
unbalanced ;;ident unbalanced [07:02]
gribble Nick 'unbalanced', with hostmask 'unbalanced!~unbalance@', is identified as user 'unbalanced', with GPG key id 123147044A6CB0A8, key fingerprint 12549201BD884C99BE652155123147044A6CB0A8, and bitcoin address None [07:02]
benkay ;;later tell chax sorry i missed you [07:03]
gribble The operation succeeded. [07:03]
mircea_popescu ;;rate unbalanced 1 ATC fanboi [07:03]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user unbalanced has been recorded. [07:03]
benkay ;;seen chax [07:03]
gribble I have not seen chax. [07:03]
mircea_popescu aren't you all spiffy nao [07:03]
unbalanced Ermahgerd I fell *up* the stairs. Things are gonna change, I can feel it. [07:03]
benkay if chax comes by razz him a bit for me, he's from [07:03]
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asciilifeform 'We maintain a fleet of self-healing, auto-scaling Bitcoind nodes.' << will they chew your food for you, too ? [07:05]
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mircea_popescu benkay aite [07:05]
decimation asciilifeform: i just got spammed by IEEE to join this group: [07:06]
assbot IEEE Rebooting Computing [07:06]
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asciilifeform decimation: mega-lol [07:07]
decimation also this: [07:07]
assbot With 'The Machine,' HP May Have Invented a New Kind of Computer - Businessweek [07:07]
asciilifeform re: hp machine: [07:08]
asciilifeform ;;google orthogonal persistence [07:08]
gribble Persistence (computer science) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; CTO : Orthogonal Persistence - TUNES Project: ; Orthogonal Persistence - Java Community Process: [07:08]
decimation yeah the IEEE thing seems to be more academi-tardation. quantum neuro whatever buzzword [07:08]
decimation why can't folks simply "re-imagine" the legos they have in front of them? [07:08]
asciilifeform or, as described on my site, [07:08]
asciilifeform [07:08]
assbot Loper OS » Third Law of Sane Personal Computing [07:08]
asciilifeform note that the hardware aspect of this is trivially achievable today [07:09]
asciilifeform without exotic vlsi versions of magnetic core memory, at that. [07:09]
decimation indeed a static global address space that is persistant and usable would be a reasonable project [07:09]
asciilifeform but you gotta ditch post-1970 os crapola to take actual advantage. [07:09]
asciilifeform that means all of it. [07:10]
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unbalanced While I still have voice... [07:10]
decimation but ascii, the article says that HP has experience with HP-UX and "non-stop" [07:10]
unbalanced ;;later tell moiety I salute your fine nation and its primary export: [07:10]
gribble The operation succeeded. [07:10]
assbot Walkers Shortbread [07:10]
unbalanced There, this was all worth it. [07:10]
asciilifeform hp-ux is a bog-standard (archaic) unix [07:10]
asciilifeform !up unbalanced [07:11]
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decimation pretty much all modern commercial OS's are on the BSD family tree somewhere [07:11]
decimation it's the original apple [07:11]
mircea_popescu unbalanced you can self voice now [07:11]
mircea_popescu pm assbot "!up" [07:11]
asciilifeform decimation: you must really think about this to understand the implications. a single-address space machine must... actually work. every time - because it can in no sense be rebooted. [07:12]
asciilifeform (no distinction between disk and memory) [07:12]
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decimation the cache can be refreshed [07:12]
decimation but presumably the OS comes on an EPROM [07:12]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i imagine rebooting = pulling memory out [07:12]
asciilifeform it's not orthogonally persistent if this actually does something useful [07:13]
asciilifeform (when was the last time you pulled your disk's cache sram out?) [07:13]
mircea_popescu yes well. marketingis not intended to be that hard semantically. [07:13]
unbalanced Don't I need 2 hit points? Or just the one? [07:14]
justusranvier There could be dedicated areas in the memory space that could be hardware wiped, and operations resumed from a hardcoded address. That would be like a reboot. [07:14]
mircea_popescu even the most accomplished anal insertion artist, who can take ANYTHING would not survive a parachute-less parachute fall [07:14]
asciilifeform justusranvier: this is what's on your desk now, essentially. [07:14]
mircea_popescu even if theoretically the planet is part of "everything" [07:14]
asciilifeform orthogonal persistence is something quite else. [07:14]
decimation ascii I imagine your dataflow machine as a collection of various calculating state machines, called into existence for various purposes when needed [07:14]
asciilifeform decimation: think 'emulation of room-sized fpga' and you're 90 percent there. [07:15]
decimation if you had such a beast, you just peek and poke at its inputs/outputs, it wouldn't really have an address space [07:15]
unbalanced ;;ident mircea_popescu [07:15]
gribble Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is identified as user 'mircea_popescu', with GPG key id 8A736F0E2FB7B452, key fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None [07:15]
unbalanced ;;gettrust assbot mircea_popescu [07:16]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Trust relationship from user assbot to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 23 via 23 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011 [07:16]
asciilifeform decimation: you don't need an address space as such if anything that might conceivably need to communicate with, e.g., keyboard, has an actual (matrix switched) electrical connection with it. [07:17]
asciilifeform that is, there is no reason why, say, garbage collector circuit (yes) needs to be able to request a byte from my keyboard buffer. [07:18]
asciilifeform just as you presently cannot dereference a pointer to your disk's sram cache [07:18]
asciilifeform and you live with this [07:18]
asciilifeform the brain-damage of the 'address space' concept is inescapable on a von neumann arch [07:19]
asciilifeform but if you have the option of doing the last 35 yrs. of hardware again - you can toss it. [07:19]
decimation in the end, you would only need the "address space" for permanant storage [07:19]
unbalanced ;;rate mircea_popescu 1 Read his stuff, you'll learn something. [07:20]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mircea_popescu has been recorded. [07:20]
asciilifeform only the circuit that marshalls state from the independent modules (e.g. keyboard buffer) to magnetic storage needs to know that it's a disk, and comes in 0...N 'LBA' blocks, etc. [07:20]
asciilifeform if you have the magnetic ram (actually available commercially, no need to wait for hp) you can dispense with the disk. [07:21]
asciilifeform and build the actual state in fpga out of same. [07:22]
decimation using magnetic ram for each of the LUT modules? [07:22]
asciilifeform correct [07:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2394 @ 0.00082887 = 1.9843 BTC [-] [07:22]
asciilifeform not just the LUT config, but the block ram [07:22]
decimation I'm surprised HP isn't trying to build an fpga with precisely this [07:22]
asciilifeform ideally you would have some means for linearly pissing state out to a cheap disk [07:23]
asciilifeform on special occasions [07:23]
unbalanced ;;rate davout 1 Sharp, made bitcoin-central, been around since forever. [07:23]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user davout has been recorded. [07:23]
asciilifeform decimation: go suggest to boss: 'we need to re-write every line written since 1969.' [07:23]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no see, wouldn't that make perfect sense ? [07:24]
mircea_popescu more work, more jerbs, more grants ? [07:24]
decimation yeah. like my point about rolls royce just making derpy web pages would be more profitable than jet engines [07:24]
asciilifeform try apply for usg grant that pads no one's pocket but your own [07:25]
asciilifeform they like prior art. [07:25]
asciilifeform papers with thick endnote sections full of favourite nephews. [07:25]
asciilifeform etc [07:25]
decimation if you take the king's shekels etc [07:25]
asciilifeform if you take honest sheckels - gotta sell something [07:25]
asciilifeform or at least bamboozle vc [07:25]
unbalanced ;;rate jurov 1 Runs coinbr, more... has earned my trust. [07:26]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user jurov has been recorded. [07:26]
decimation which puts you right back into having to make friends and influence people in the bezzle wot [07:26]
decimation lol from taleb's home page (my best interview) [07:27]
unbalanced ;;rate teward 1 Just met, helped me out, knows his stuff. [07:27]
assbot Financial Times | Error | Akamai Error [07:27]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user teward has been recorded. [07:28]
unbalanced Or should I not be rating people I've only communicated with for a couple of hours now? [07:28]
decimation "What has been your greatest disappointment? [07:28]
mircea_popescu unbalanced ideally not. [07:28]
decimation That I am unable to destroy the economics establishment, the press." [07:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30138 @ 0.0008268 = 24.9181 BTC [-] {2} [07:28]
mircea_popescu decimation see ? shouldn't he be here ? [07:28]
decimation abosolutely. he might be too integrated in the wall street wot to make new friends here though [07:29]
unbalanced Mmkay, so teward, I will revoke, nothing personal. Once I figure out how. [07:29]
mircea_popescu decimation why ?! [07:30]
mircea_popescu unbalanced ;;unrate [07:30]
unbalanced ;;unrate teward [07:30]
gribble Successfully removed your rating for teward. [07:30]
decimation he did an "ama" for the redditards, and he mostly dodged bitcoin: [07:33]
assbot nntaleb comments on IAm Nassim Taleb, author of Antifragile, AMA [07:33]
unbalanced decimation: re: "(my best interview)" above -- you write for FT? [07:34]
decimation heh no the link is entitled "my best interview" on taleb's page [07:35]
decimation sorry for the unclear language [07:35]
unbalanced Ah. I was going to ask you why they print on that orange-pink paper. Don't dodge the question! [07:36]
unbalanced ;;rate BingoBoingo 1 Wrote helpful GPG guide. May be my arch-nemesis in the ATC mines though, not sure yet. [07:38]
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decimation I'm just a zek, trying to scrape by in the world [07:38]
mircea_popescu what's a zek ? [07:39]
decimation [07:40]
assbot White SeaBaltic Canal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [07:40]
unbalanced ;;rate pankkake 1 Funny, helpful, fights BS along with the other Super-Friends. [07:40]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user pankkake has been recorded. [07:40]
mircea_popescu oic [07:40]
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decimation solzhenitsyn's "the first circle" resonates with me. in the collectivist us, it is hard to escape this condition [07:43]
mircea_popescu so why are you there! [07:44]
mike_c !up unbalanced [07:44]
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unbalanced ;;rate Apocalyptic 1 Runs, a solid little exchange, and my money has not disappeared. [07:45]
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unbalanced ;;rate mike_c 1 Made, great tools and analysis. [07:47]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mike_c has been recorded. [07:47]
mike_c %diff [07:47]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 486512.85 in 1086 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -31.99 [07:47]
mike_c so unbalanced, what kind of diff change are you shooting for this period? [07:47]
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mike_c ThickAsThieves: thanks for the dump [07:48]
unbalanced Hey, I took that dump. That's my dump! But thanks for the later-ing ThickAsThieves. [07:49]
mike_c hehe, then thank you too [07:49]
unbalanced Heh. You said "dump". Heh. [07:49]
unbalanced Regret voicing me yet? [07:50]
mike_c not yet. what kind of diff change are you trying to get this period? [07:50]
unbalanced I figure that the -25% to -50% range is desirable, as long as it doesn't fall so far someone can't easily spike it up 4x again. [07:50]
unbalanced But really, "easily" is a relative term so this may be a fool's errand. [07:51]
mike_c well, it seems like a good thing to try to me. [07:51]
mike_c ;;rate unbalanced 1 ATC tinkerer/supporter [07:51]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user unbalanced has been recorded. [07:51]
unbalanced I just want to make it increasingly uneconomical to try to kill the coin. Just an experiment really. [07:52]
mike_c yeah. i don't know if it's the right thing to do, but I do think it's worth trying. [07:52]
mircea_popescu unbalanced its perfectly uneconomical to try and kill the coin already. [07:53]
thestringpuller i kinda wanna mine ATC... [07:53]
thestringpuller seems fun, like a glimpse in the past... [07:53]
mike_c i don't worry about the coin dying, but +80%/-80% diff changes are annoying. [07:53]
unbalanced thestringpuller, you too can live the dream! [07:54]
thestringpuller call it Crypto Trail [07:54]
mircea_popescu mike_c they don't seem to be hurting anything tho do they ? [07:54]
mike_c they do to me. [07:54]
mircea_popescu unbalanced so in th end how much did you end up paying per atc trying to mine ? [07:55]
mircea_popescu mike_c how ? [07:55]
mike_c having a block an hour does not feel optimal. [07:55]
unbalanced The diff is still unfolding so I don't have a final number yet. I haven't wanted to calculate it or I might stop. [07:55]
mike_c i ran the numbers, but I won't tell if you don't want to know :) [07:56]
unbalanced thestringpuller, by "dump" mike_c meant a pastebin link somewhere above, detailing how to use to employ mining rigs on demand. [07:56]
mircea_popescu mike_c sotell me then :D [07:57]
unbalanced See also #altcoin... that channel needs new blood. [07:57]
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mike_c it's like we have discussed before. it affects merchants. it's not as easy to move coin around. this makes little difference for the occasional user, but 1 hour block time on average means sometimes 2+ hours for a block. [07:58]
unbalanced Rough back-of-the-envelope I'd say 400 satoshis per ATC if I'm lucky. Is that what you got mike_c or am I off by an order of magnitude? [07:59]
mike_c i got 371 [07:59]
unbalanced Profit! [07:59]
mircea_popescu mike_c what merchants ?! [08:00]
mike_c and i ran the numbers before btc diff went up, so it could be better [08:00]
mike_c cuz the miners should have dropped in price. [08:00]
mike_c mircea_popescu: x-bt for one. is satoshijack still around? plus possibly some other merchants in development. [08:00]
mircea_popescu mike_c haven't heard from the satoshijack dude in a long time [08:01]
unbalanced Yes, I guess a tslb of >1hr only matters if the coin is moving around more than once an hour. Or day. [08:01]
mircea_popescu i really don't see th econcern. if anything, slow txn are good for a coin, they keep the people in a hurry at bay [08:02]
mircea_popescu the only folk it really hurts are speculators, of the redditard type [08:02]
mike_c JD wouldn't be happy if gamblers had to wait 1-2 hours to deposit money [08:02]
mircea_popescu mike_c would you take the jd gamblers to dinner ? [08:03]
unbalanced You know MP, I'm testing my ATC wallet. Could you send me all your ATC, and then I'll send it back? [08:03]
mike_c mircea_popescu: i would not, but i'd gladly take their coin. [08:03]
unbalanced Purely routine. Just a test. No, no need to read the fine print. Just sign here. [08:03]
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unbalanced See, with ATC you can relive the early days of BTC! [08:04]
mike_c like i said, i don't think this is any kind of life & death thing. it's smoothing out an annoyance. [08:04]
unbalanced Pure Disco Gold. [08:04]
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mircea_popescu unbalanced i don't actually have any [08:04]
mircea_popescu mike_c from what i recall BingoBoingo wasn't too adverse to the jumps [08:05]
unbalanced See this here is more chat activity than #altcoin gets in a day. Come on over people! [08:05]
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kakobrekla check out the maffs on this dude [15:17]
kakobrekla [15:17]
assbot [] NASTY MINING | POOL | COINS [15:17]
kakobrekla lost 65%, its a longterm win. [15:18]
mircea_popescu unbalanced: Big day for me, living la vida crypto. Thanks all. Going afk for a while. << that was lulzy lol. like kid with new xmas train. [15:18]
kakobrekla unrealized wins. [15:18]
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mircea_popescu you did twice as worse << it's twice as bad [15:19]
mircea_popescu worse is a superlative and for that reason incomparable. [15:19]
kakobrekla but he did so bad [15:19]
kakobrekla you cant compare [15:19]
kakobrekla yet i had to. [15:19]
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mircea_popescu lol that's a point [15:20]
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kakobrekla hi [15:20]
mircea_popescu wow it reports now ? [15:21]
kakobrekla it reports now. [15:21]
kakobrekla only if you are in the wot but not enough THRUST. [15:21]
mircea_popescu ic [15:21]
mircea_popescu ;;coffee [15:22]
gribble Error: "coffee" is not a valid command. [15:22]
manamex thanks [15:22]
mircea_popescu it does not yet make coffee ? [15:22]
kakobrekla :( [15:22]
mircea_popescu halfassed job [15:23]
kakobrekla the usual. [15:23]
mircea_popescu "Professor Chelnov, an old mathematician arrested seventeen years ago and who, when he had to fill in a form" << why the fuck'd anyone fill a form already. [15:23]
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mircea_popescu derpy soviets think they're so smart, let them fill all the forms they want. [15:23]
mircea_popescu punkman: do I have to put them up to my ear and tap them? << if you can't hear the tap without putting it to your ear it's not a good one anyway [15:24]
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kakobrekla so what brings you manamex , you only got a 30 min block might as well use it [15:25]
mircea_popescu fluffypony: are we -m again? << no ?! [15:25]
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kakobrekla sez +m here [15:25]
mircea_popescu ya here too [15:26]
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fluffypony when decimation said "test" they weren't voiced, or was my client just being weird [15:30]
mircea_popescu hm [15:30]
mircea_popescu pankkake: you can plant them and no one will check the cables every day << why not ? [15:31]
fluffypony yeah all my catchup logs pushed to me this AM have decimation and unbalanced talking but unvoiced [15:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 15 @ 0.03 = 0.45 BTC [+] [15:32]
fluffypony probably ZNC being weird [15:32]
fluffypony !down [15:32]
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mircea_popescu fluffypony you prolly lost state at some point ? [15:32]
mircea_popescu unbalanced kept getting devoiced and i doubt he's yet figured how to pm assbot [15:33]
fluffypony yeah state could have been wonky [15:33]
fluffypony yes definitely out of state: [15:33]
fluffypony [2014-06-13T06:39:35+0200] what's a zek ? [15:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 11 @ 0.04 = 0.44 BTC [+] [15:33]
fluffypony apparently you weren't voiced for a while [15:33]
fluffypony :-P [15:33]
mircea_popescu now that's not possible :D [15:33]
fluffypony stupid client [15:34]
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mircea_popescu davout: how would one detect a block witholding attack on a pool ? << which kind ? [15:35]
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mircea_popescu if you mean to try and double spend, it'd be hard for any pool to do. if you mean, the withholding to hurt the pool, it can't really, but extreme bad luck is always suspicious. [15:37]
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mircea_popescu in principle tho the pools are open to this "who's willing to lose most money" attack, they could start doing it to each other (and perhaps the larger ones have done it to ensure their position already - it's disputed) [15:37]
manamex kakobrekla: I'm new here and looking around, browsing the logs [15:38]
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Mats_cd03 zek is a word for an enslaved man in gulag or what have you [15:39]
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mircea_popescu lol the us should ban good cheese. the stuff they call cheese is a disgrace to the name, best just painlessly divorce. [15:42]
nubbins` !up Vexual [15:44]
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nubbins` Vexual: thanks :D [15:44]
Vexual hi all [15:44]
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nubbins` fluffypony: shirts shipped. holy shit, it's costly to send mail to .za [15:45]
nubbins` artifexd: your shirts shipped as well [15:45]
fluffypony nubbins`: need me to chip in extra to cover? [15:45]
nubbins` nah, don't worry about it [15:45]
nubbins` i budget ~$10 per shirt for shipping. usually it ends up being much less. yours came to $57 for 6 shirts :D [15:46]
mircea_popescu o.O [15:46]
nubbins` i know, right?! [15:46]
mircea_popescu dude are womenz in sa mostly nekkid ? [15:46]
Vexual then the postman thieves em [15:46]
mircea_popescu if shipping shirts costs more than the shirts it'd seem practical [15:46]
assbot [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 750 @ 0.00225245 = 1.6893 BTC [+] [15:46]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: wait til he tells you about the tariffs on clothing imports [15:47]
assbot [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 54 @ 0.00225245 = 0.1216 BTC [+] [15:47]
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mircea_popescu "1) Eliminate pools. 2) Provide a way for miners to solo-mine with low varience and frequent mining payouts even with only small amounts of hashing power. 3) Get rid of ASICs." mkay todd is off another planet. [15:48]
mircea_popescu why not get rid of airplanes while at it, they spread germs, are a threat to diversity and make it really easy for assholes like mp (or genius chinese kids) to fly to retarded backwater places (like the us) and just take over [15:49]
fluffypony nubbins`: holy cowbell [15:49]
fluffypony is that with CanadaPost? [15:49]
nubbins` provide a way for cars to fly through the air with minimal time even with only a two-stroke lawnmower engine [15:49]
nubbins` fluffypony, yep. canada is a notoriously expensive place to mail things from [15:50]
fluffypony yeah damn, that is pricey [15:50]
nubbins` europe isn't as bad [15:50]
nubbins` africa/asia are costly [15:50]
fluffypony that's what I'd pay to courier a parcel like that to Canada with Aramex [15:50]
nubbins` well shit, next time send me an empty box and i'll load it up & write RETURN TO SENDER on it ;D [15:50]
mircea_popescu provide a way for cars to fly through the air with minimal time even with only a two-stroke lawnmower engine << i know right ? i will sell half my gasoline unless this happens. [15:50]
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nubbins` mp lel [15:51]
mircea_popescu ahahaha that trick might just work lmao [15:51]
nubbins` half your gas?! [15:51]
mircea_popescu i have a bucket o gas. [15:51]
nubbins` i might get out of the gas business altogether [15:51]
nubbins` until saudi stops its 51% attack [15:51]
Vexual asics deter 50% attacks, it's expensive [15:52]
nubbins` [15:52]
assbot imgur: the simple image sharer [15:52]
mircea_popescu "Do I still think Bitcoin will succeed in the long run? Yes, but I'm a lot less sure of it than I used to be." [15:52]
mircea_popescu all these derps with their tech fixation. [15:52]
nubbins` the quoted statement contains no information [15:52]
Vexual gonna take dollars 4 2.5 weeks [15:53]
mircea_popescu bitcoin will succeed in the long term because i say so. not because todd says or doesn't say so. wtf is this, programmer planet, where programmers matter now ?! [15:53]
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nubbins` if programmers mattered, maybe i'd still be one D; [15:53]
nubbins` (almost definitely not, but hey) [15:53]
mircea_popescu nubbins` some redditardation in earlier log, [15:53]
kakobrekla now he prits t shirts. [15:53]
assbot Why I just sold 50% of my bitcoins: GHash.IO : Bitcoin [15:53]
nubbins` kakobrekla, and posters! [15:53]
kakobrekla and posters. [15:53]
mircea_popescu better posters than posers amirite [15:54]
nubbins` funny thing is, the work i do now actually does matter more [15:54]
nubbins` chew on that [15:54]
kakobrekla true, i made bitbet from tshirts. [15:54]
kakobrekla and posters. [15:54]
mircea_popescu i thought it was two cups and a wire [15:55]
nubbins` i thought it was two cups and a girl [15:55]
nubbins` wait, no, that's backwards [15:55]
kakobrekla maybe a wire and two girls. [15:55]
mircea_popescu lol lampelina'll love thart [15:55]
nubbins` how thick is the wire? [15:55]
kakobrekla actually she would. [15:55]
nubbins` 0000-gauge and up or i'm not watching [15:56]
kakobrekla the gauge is the thing that goes in reverse right [15:56]
Mats_cd03 militants advancing towards baghdad [15:56]
nubbins` yah [15:56]
kakobrekla who came up with that shit [15:56]
nubbins` quad-0 is just shy of 1/2" [15:56]
mircea_popescu "BTW If you owe me fiat and normally pay me via Bitcoin, for the next 2.5 weeks you can pay me based on the price I sold at, $650 CAD." << so inadvertently, the guy's holdings are 5 weeks of his income. [15:56]
nubbins` who knows! [15:56]
Mats_cd03 bet its done in two months [15:56]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [15:56]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 596.0, Best ask: 599.69, Bid-ask spread: 3.69000, Last trade: 596.0, 24 hour volume: 32119.14208210, 24 hour low: 550.0, 24 hour high: 628.77, 24 hour vwap: 587.301256977 [15:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00082087 = 17.1151 BTC [-] {2} [15:57]
nubbins` btc/cad is ~660 right now [15:57]
Vexual i like how the fbi made a neat little bounce [15:57]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 20 * 5 * 5/52 * 45000 / 587 [15:57]
gribble 737.124885336 [15:57]
mircea_popescu the total estimated holdings of the bitcoin power rangers < 1k btc. [15:57]
mircea_popescu admitting todd's typical. [15:57]
nubbins` kakobrekla: apparently it's an indicator of how many pulls through a drawing die [15:57]
mircea_popescu (and i do believe he's typical, there's nothing more conformally uniform in the world than tech people.) [15:58]
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nubbins` [15:58]
assbot Draw plate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [15:58]
kakobrekla nubbins` would make sense but it still doesnt. [15:58]
nubbins` 0 gauge, bar stock [15:58]
nubbins` 1 gauge, pull it thru first hole [15:58]
nubbins` etc [15:58]
mircea_popescu militants advancing towards baghdad << myeah. [15:58]
nubbins` still pretty silly [15:58]
kakobrekla you can tell it sucks if it cant go into negative. [15:59]
mircea_popescu negative thickness ?! [15:59]
nubbins` inorite :( [15:59]
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kakobrekla yes! [15:59]
mircea_popescu like urc0k ? [15:59]
Vexual zing [15:59]
fluffypony lol [15:59]
nubbins` they just keep adding zeroes until people give up and use mm [15:59]
mircea_popescu speaking of negative cock thickness, so the good folk here don't fucking import condoms. [16:00]
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nubbins` they produce em domesically? [16:00]
Vexual recycle? [16:00]
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nubbins` sheep casings? [16:00]
mircea_popescu cue me in pharmacy with womenz in tow looking askew at the two mds there, with a stupid novelty ladden package onthe counter. "what are trhese!?!?" [16:00]
mircea_popescu so in the end i order research on condoms. answer comes out that the only half decent brand is "prime" [16:01]
mircea_popescu imagine, i could scribble "numbers" under it and be a real geek fucking. [16:01]
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Vexual for 3 somes [16:01]
nubbins` imagine if you were to skip the women and fuck a pie [16:01]
mircea_popescu but anyway, so i go buy one of each type, and as chance would have it i first try the tyhing called "anatomical" [16:01]
mircea_popescu that thing... [16:01]
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mircea_popescu that thing is so narrow i couldn't fit any part of it in there. [16:01]
mircea_popescu fucking clitoris condom [16:02]
mircea_popescu who the hell knew "anatomical" is condom codeword for "i have a very small icepick" [16:02]
nubbins` twist: it's a combination condom/cock ring [16:02]
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Vexual prolly got the condom bachine on aliexpress [16:03]
nubbins` anyway, to quote sublime [16:03]
nubbins` el amigo es un condon en el bolsillo [16:03]
mircea_popescu lol [16:03]
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Mats_cd03 interesting turn for the kurds though [16:03]
mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 whassat [16:04]
Mats_cd03 they've been shit on for a long time, now they have oil guns and territory [16:05]
mircea_popescu hahaha [16:05]
mircea_popescu what are you, like new to this risk! game of international intrigue ? [16:06]
Mats_cd03 maybe they'll become a nation state, the dream of all oppressed little guys [16:06]
mircea_popescu or maybe they'll becomne dinner [16:06]
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mircea_popescu the actual fate of all opressed little guys [16:06]
nubbins` [16:06]
assbot Internet privacy decision by Supreme Court comes today - Technology & Science - CBC News [16:06]
mircea_popescu they're oppressed for a reason you know. nobody in the entire history of oppression was oppressed for anything but a reason. [16:06]
davout mircea_popescu: "which kind ?" <<< apparently some eligius guy claims they've caught one of their miners doing the withold-correct-block-hashes thing [16:07]
Mats_cd03 sometimes you get a scrappy one. I'll be watching closely [16:07]
mircea_popescu davout well do they offer any proof ? [16:07]
mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 care to make it intereskin ? [16:07]
davout none at all, so i was like wtf [16:07]
davout lemme fish the post [16:07]
mircea_popescu davout so moar drama. [16:07]
nubbins` wait, i thought the withholding hashes thing didn't work because of nonces or some sort of math shit [16:08]
mircea_popescu seems more a function ofyou for the first time reading miner stuff than anything else. [16:08]
mircea_popescu nubbins` huh ? [16:08]
davout mircea_popescu: here you go -> [16:08]
assbot [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread) [16:08]
nubbins` just ignore, rambling [16:08]
davout mircea_popescu: "seems more a function ofyou for the first time reading miner stuff than anything else." <<< nah, just wtfing at this, wondering if i was right to be wtfing or simply stupid [16:09]
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nubbins` OHHHH, sorry, i misunderstood [16:09]
nubbins` i thought they were saving up valid hashes to blow their wad all at once [16:09]
nubbins` not the case at all [16:09]
mircea_popescu davout the guy is a legit miner, but perhaps not too acquainted with logic. they're not detectable, they're susceptionable. [16:10]
Mats_cd03 mircea_popescu: i like that...i wouldn't know what to select for a proposition, though [16:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37050 @ 0.00082043 = 30.3969 BTC [-] {2} [16:10]
mircea_popescu (if they actually were detectable they'd logically be prevetnable too) [16:10]
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mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 me either tbh [16:10]
davout to me it sounds retarded to confiscate such an amount on a suspicion, especially when the suspected attacker has no economic incentive to be attacking in the first place [16:11]
mircea_popescu "My guess is that they never expected to get caught and suffer income loss as a result of their attack. But, once they were caught, I put a filter in place to block them from the payout queue (similar to the block on known MtGox addresses). Eligius’s offline wallet now has roughly 200 BTC work credits held from the payout queue under the attacker's addresses, that we have stopped them from stealing." [16:11]
Vexual well the other 50% prevents it, and as you tend to 100%, it becomes unprofitable [16:11]
mircea_popescu so elegius is stealing from some miner they had an argument with. [16:11]
Vexual how godly [16:11]
mircea_popescu why the fuck would someone keep a 200 btc balance, and esp with elegius, is beyong me. [16:11]
Mats_cd03 Kurds create sovereign state recognized by majority of nations by 2015? [16:12]
mircea_popescu "When they noticed, weeks later, they contacted us complaining. We asked them to sign messages to verify they were in fact in control of the addresses in question including asking them to include a real name and location in the signed message, refusing to discuss it until they had done so" [16:12]
mircea_popescu herpy derp. so basically don't mine with elegius and that's that. [16:12]
davout Luke-Jr: what's with that? [16:12]
davout !up Luke-Jr [16:12]
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mircea_popescu "It has unofficially been decided that if it came down to it, Eligius would shut down before being forced to pay any attacker of any kind any amount whatsoever." [16:12]
mircea_popescu o look, it's also closing ? isn't this one of the oldest pools still (sort-of) standing ? [16:13]
kakobrekla elegius deceiving users? wouldn't be the first time. [16:13]
mircea_popescu "P.S. - This is unrelated to any of the stats issues that have occurred. (Server migration for the new web server is still under way…)" [16:13]
dub inb4: I'd explain but you wouldnt understand [16:13]
mircea_popescu well the more persuasive explanation is, elegius fucked up a server upgrade (on its sole server, if you don't count an old backup box which is never live anyway), lost some user's accounts [16:14]
kakobrekla how much CP does 200btc buy Luke-Jr ? [16:14]
mircea_popescu and is now going into uberderpage mode to cover it up [16:14]
mircea_popescu forum responds : "WOOT WTG WK!!! you teach them that messing with our pool isn't an option Great job on catching them and stopping them from getting their reward for doing nothing Finally some scammers didn't get to scam...oh how good that makes me feel...lost 21 coins to some lying cheating bastards already one was the btcrow or some website email scam..thought i was using escrow but was really sending them the coi [16:15]
mircea_popescu ns oh well...Great job on running the pool WK!! couldn't ask for a better pool op" [16:15]
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mircea_popescu these people should vote, seriously. then we'd finally have real democracy, when nothing and nobody prevents these people from giving their "opinion" on how public affairs should be run [16:15]
mircea_popescu and we'll all be happy and everything plentiful and good. [16:15]
nubbins` !up Vexual [16:15]
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fluffypony kakobrekla: shouldn't you be asking Brock? [16:16]
mircea_popescu oh wait wait. [16:17]
kakobrekla who is brock [16:17]
nubbins` ;;google brock [16:17]
gribble Brock - Bulbapedia, the community-driven Pokémon encyclopedia: ; Brock (anime) - Bulbapedia - Bulbagarden: ; Brock (Pokémon) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: [16:17]
nubbins` ah [16:17]
mircea_popescu the even more logical conclusion : there's some miner going around with 32 bit hardware, that's unable to correctly handle 64 bit nonces [16:17]
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mircea_popescu and so doesn't submit the winning block half the time it finds it, and doesn't care to fix his hardware. [16:17]
fluffypony kakobrekla: Bryan Singer's buddy [16:18]
mircea_popescu this has been known for fucking months, except apparently not by the elegius admin crew. [16:18]
nubbins` lel [16:18]
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fluffypony [16:18]
assbot Bryan Singer Sex Abuse Case: The Troubling History Behind the Accusations - The Hollywood Reporter [16:18]
mircea_popescu congrats on wizkid for making things sound retarded i guess. [16:18]
kakobrekla dunno if it makes any difference but bitstamp has a company registered for each of its ~20 'employees' here in slovenia. [16:19]
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fluffypony kakobrekla: like 1 company per employee? [16:19]
kakobrekla yep [16:19]
Vexual neato [16:19]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla because they want the low tax [16:20]
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mircea_popescu they get 20k euro per corp or so, if they make one per employee that's a 400k deduction [16:20]
Vexual when does co tax become beneficial in slov?? [16:20]
Vexual oh [16:20]
davout kakobrekla: interdasting [16:21]
Vexual i thought it might be, "we'll set you up as a co coz youll be making 1 million withing 6 months" [16:21]
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Vexual "now code" [16:22]
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kakobrekla CSS HARDER! [16:22]
Vexual all the styles! [16:22]
Vexual i don't know slovenia from slovakistan [16:23]
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mircea_popescu Naphex check this out : [16:25]
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mircea_popescu "In 5.16, I post my ticket. [16:25]
mircea_popescu In 5.21, you replied to request signature for my address, I replied. [16:25]
mircea_popescu In 5.23, you found my signature is wrong. after investigate, I found that I add a extra space on somewhere, then I re-sign the text. Then, a week passed. " [16:25]
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mircea_popescu this is why i say the thing sucks and shouldn't be used. [16:25]
mircea_popescu makes it too damned easy for anyone to arbitrarily reject signs, which goes entirelky against the fucking point of a signature in the first place. [16:26]
mircea_popescu and the forumtards respond : ""If I didn't do it I would say that I didn't do it. You wrote a very long post and not one time did you say that you did not do it. To me, that says a lot! Don't bother now, it's too late. [16:27]
mircea_popescu some real king solomons out there, we're so fortunate to have everything the cat dragged in "involved" in bitcoin. thank you accessibility, thank you ever so. [16:27]
mircea_popescu "Even if it was unintentional you fucked up at everyone elses expense. Other people paid for your mistake in coding. You should return ALL the BTC you've mined." << someone was going on about how the confiscation "restored their faith in HUMANITY". this is then humanity, at its core. dunno why anyone'd want any part of it. [16:28]
mircea_popescu anyway, nice find davout [16:28]
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Vexual ;;later tell decimation [16:30]
assbot Charlie's Country - Clip: "Licence" - YouTube [16:30]
gribble The operation succeeded. [16:30]
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davout mircea_popescu: i just realized the "WOOT WTG WK!" quote was actually what someone said [16:31]
mircea_popescu it was. [16:31]
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davout that resonates with asciilifeform's comment wrt taleb piercing the bozo field [16:32]
mircea_popescu anyway, ghash having 51% is [16:32]
mircea_popescu WAY better than that fuckwit eleutheria having 51% [16:32]
Vexual fuck wrong person [16:33]
mircea_popescu last time that happened we ended up with a hard fork. so far ghash is 0-1 on the score. [16:33]
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Vexual ;;later tell decimation that was meant for Mats_cd03 regarding whether or not he needed a ham license for his hackrf [16:34]
gribble The operation succeeded. [16:34]
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Vexual ghash is boss pool [16:36]
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mircea_popescu for as long that'll last. [16:37]
Vexual TAT asked was it bullshit [16:37]
Vexual seems not [16:37]
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Vexual yeah some other bastard will bring more peta with tricker deployment measures, and bitcoin succeeds [16:38]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00082286 = 7.9817 BTC [+] [16:41]
Vexual theres a reason dogetreats are priced in satoshi [16:42]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00230894 = 0.2309 BTC [-] {3} [16:42]
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mircea_popescu pankkake: who is this petertodd? << one of the saner of the power ranger bunch. [16:45]
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bitcoinpete heya [16:46]
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mircea_popescu pankkake: "It will always be cheaper to run a small amount of hashing power than a large amount" wat << in good tech tradition, he understands nothing of business, including the fact that he understands nothing of it. [16:47]
mircea_popescu bitcoinpete hey [16:47]
fluffypony ohaaaai bitcoinpete [16:47]
nubbins` hmm [16:47]
bitcoinpete lol someone's chipper this morning [16:47]
nubbins` i wonder will these SR coins auction for below or above market rate [16:48]
bitcoinpete nubbins`: the sr coins will go for market rate because they are market rate [16:49]
bitcoinpete more or less [16:49]
bitcoinpete limited by only being accessible to us citizens and whatnot [16:49]
mircea_popescu nubbins` the announced price will be under market rate. the "winner" will not actually have to pay anything, but will have to support usg policy. [16:49]
nubbins` hm, i woulda put my money on above market rate [16:49]
mircea_popescu bitcoinpete they're not limited to being accessible to us citizens. they're limited to being accessible to that one corp that makes the most convincing case it'll be useful. [16:49]
nubbins` there's gotta be at least a few financial institutions/hedge funds/whatever that want btc but don't want to purchase from a foreign exchange, guy on the street, etc [16:50]
mircea_popescu nubbins` so make a bitbet. "the announced price of the usms sale will be under market rate at that time" [16:50]
bitcoinpete mircea_popescu i'd love to be the one reading those proposals [16:50]
nubbins` i just may [16:50]
mircea_popescu nubbins` so ? [16:50]
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mircea_popescu !up veeminer [16:50]
-assbot- You voiced veeminer for 30 minutes. [16:50]
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mircea_popescu !up Vexual [16:50]
-assbot- You voiced Vexual for 30 minutes. [16:50]
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nubbins` so, now's their chance [16:51]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: is the auction not based on price alone? [16:51]
mircea_popescu nubbins` no, it's not. [16:51]
bitcoinpete "we promise to use these bitcoins to finance libraries for coindeskers" [16:51]
mircea_popescu fluffypony it's not bnased on th price at all. the fuck does the usg need 50mn [16:51]
fluffypony that's fucking retarded. [16:51]
mircea_popescu no it's not. [16:51]
mircea_popescu it's the usg laundering its ill gotten bitcoins. [16:51]
bitcoinpete "we promise to use these bitcoin to finance roads to hawaii" [16:51]
fluffypony no I don't mean from there perspective [16:51]
mircea_popescu through a "sale" to a "private" party. [16:52]
nubbins` ah [16:52]
mircea_popescu anyway, they'll announce it as somewhat under market. [16:52]
mircea_popescu sadly i have little avenue to bitchslap them [16:52]
mircea_popescu but i do suspect someone leaked teh d. series plans, because they've been moving before i said that. [16:52]
Vexual does d really mean discount? [16:53]
mircea_popescu (it's really the same thing, trying to use the propaganda machine to control btc via "news" of "sales") [16:53]
bitcoinpete so is that them diddling the "price" leading up to the auction? [16:53]
mircea_popescu bitcoinpete doubt it. [16:53]
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bitcoinpete a ok [16:53]
mircea_popescu just the usual mommentum traders getting raped yet again. [16:54]
nubbins` but if i don't hop on the train, i'll never travel [16:54]
nubbins` sure, it might be in the wrong direction, but hey [16:54]
mircea_popescu right-o. [16:54]
nubbins` i'm a part of this thing &c &c [16:55]
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davout mircea_popescu: wrt to the d. series, in case of acquisition the asset becomes worthless, right? [16:55]
mircea_popescu davout that'll be a case by case basis. [16:56]
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mircea_popescu if they do a reverse-ipo for instance it'll stick. [16:56]
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bitcoinpete mircea_popescu but i do suspect someone leaked teh d. series plans, because they've been moving before i said that. << can you explain "they've been moving?" [16:56]
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mircea_popescu bitcoinpete the "we're selling bitcoin" news manipulation went in days before the "i'm going to kill your "investment" news manipulation" announcement. [16:57]
mircea_popescu why not at any prior point for the past... year ? [16:57]
bitcoinpete a yes [16:57]
bitcoinpete there's room for coincidence [16:58]
bitcoinpete i mean, the number of people who knew about d.series [16:58]
bitcoinpete makes for a hard, but not impossible, pill to swallow [16:58]
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