Forum logs for 13 Feb 2016

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
asciilifeform and under no circumstances must, e.g., 'boost', be built twice. [00:00]
asciilifeform do we have this ? [00:00]
trinque yep, albeit "boost is done" is currently "there is a folder here which it shat" [00:00]
trinque we've been overlooking a great many failed targets since day one [00:00]
asciilifeform in unrelated lulz, https://blog.nearlyfreespeech.net/2015/06/27/icanns-assault-on-personal-and-small-business-privacy [00:04]
assbot NearlyFreeSpeech.NET Blog » ICANN’s assault on personal and small business privacy ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qd3j3F ) [00:04]
mod6 mircea_popescu: you need any help, or did you get that issue with it dying sorted? [00:06]
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trinque death to dns [00:07]
mod6 anyway, so again, my short term goal here is to get V stablized so hopefully no further changes will be needed once i pt out v99995 [00:08]
trinque I quite liked the v-tronic hosts file idea [00:08]
mod6 I did too, but we need more mirrors imho [00:08]
mod6 these are the new root servers. [00:09]
asciilifeform and where, exactly, is one to get a new host file, if all of the mirrors vanish overnight ? [00:09]
mod6 where do you get A records if all of the root/gtld servers vanish? [00:10]
asciilifeform nobody would even notice if they were to vanish - caches have it all [00:10]
mod6 until caches expire, ya [00:10]
asciilifeform imho global 'zooko' names are a broken concept. [00:11]
asciilifeform route to keys. [00:11]
asciilifeform alias - locally. [00:11]
mod6 so once the new V is out, i don't see why at that point we don't submit the release vpatch. [00:14]
mod6 then we can update the build script for v99995 where it presses up through `v054-RELEASE.vpatch' or something. [00:15]
mod6 (this is without the makefiles), with the makefiles, we'll have to wait on the release vpatch until the makefiles are vified. [00:16]
mod6 my apologies, kinda thinking out loud here. [00:16]
mod6 ok testing the one line change to v99996 build script. [00:21]
mod6 has everyone who is going to test this: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000210.html actually finished? maybe i don't need to wait another week. [00:26]
assbot [BTC-dev] V [v99995] Beta 2 - Call For Testers! ... ( http://bit.ly/1oqqg7a ) [00:26]
mod6 heard reports from gernika, and shinohai [00:26]
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mircea_popescu * asciilifeform wonders if the buildscript could become a makefile one day << afaik this was broadly tyhe plan, at least at first [00:53]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform> 'make clean' should not delete motherfucking tarballs of deps THAT WILL NEVER CHANGE EVER <<< make clean should wipe the whole thing, that's the idea [00:54]
mircea_popescu in other "amateurs like alf likes" news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m39lgwegnZ1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg [00:55]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1O7xLov ) [00:55]
mircea_popescu meanwhile, it's been raining like the end of the world in buenos aires, i fully expect the downtown to be under water in the morning. [00:56]
asciilifeform meh, no faces [00:56]
mod6 mircea_popescu: hows the power situation been? [00:56]
mircea_popescu i'd guess about 100mm fallen so far, 5ish per minute or somesuch. [00:56]
mircea_popescu mod6 sorta usian, i guess. [00:56]
mod6 dicy 'eh. haha [00:57]
mircea_popescu :p [00:57]
mod6 ok so that one line update built fine... good to know. [00:58]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1404516 << why not the src and itself also then. [01:07]
assbot Logged on 13-02-2016 03:50:29; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> 'make clean' should not delete motherfucking tarballs of deps THAT WILL NEVER CHANGE EVER <<< make clean should wipe the whole thing, that's the idea [01:07]
asciilifeform or jusr rm -rf ~ [01:07]
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mircea_popescu massive lightning strike bout quarter mile away, took my inverter clean off. [01:08]
asciilifeform the ~sane~ behaviour for a make is to kill only that which it itself birthed. [01:08]
asciilifeform waiwut [01:09]
asciilifeform what was it plugged into [01:09]
kakobrekla you have a dc to ac inverter? [01:09]
mircea_popescu uh [01:09]
* asciilifeform does [01:09]
mircea_popescu i think it must be [01:09]
mircea_popescu generator makes dc right ? [01:10]
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kakobrekla what generator [01:10]
asciilifeform the diesel sort? not unless it was made in 1900 or so [01:11]
mircea_popescu well whatever, the thing with the dials. [01:11]
mircea_popescu no mains current in this part of town since midday, kako [01:11]
kakobrekla huh [01:11]
kakobrekla move to africa [01:12]
mircea_popescu ikr ? [01:12]
mircea_popescu but ARGENTINA NO ES UN PAIS POBRE! [01:12]
asciilifeform why would lightning zap a standalone box sans mains wiring ? [01:12]
mircea_popescu solo es que todo deja de funccionar si lluvia [01:12]
asciilifeform l0l! [01:13]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i dunno, it must've induced something. [01:13]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the src and itself also, prolly, yeah. [01:15]
mircea_popescu make clean is what you do when you dunno wtf went wrong. [01:15]
asciilifeform also before vdiffing [01:16]
mircea_popescu i guess this raises the need for an intermediate flag [01:18]
asciilifeform as in buildroot [01:18]
mircea_popescu yeah huh. [01:19]
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danielpbarron !up blockchain_enthu [01:35]
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blockchain_enthu Thanks danielpbarron [01:36]
danielpbarron no problem, who are you? [01:36]
blockchain_enthu I am a non-tech kind guy trying to understand block chain and bit coins. I find block chain to be more interesting than bit coin [01:37]
blockchain_enthu so i thought i'll join an IRC channels to see what kind of things people discuss [01:39]
danielpbarron what do you mean, block chain more interesting? How are the two separate? [01:40]
blockchain_enthu yes, those two are not separate. [01:40]
danielpbarron but the implication is that there could exist a block chain without the money part [01:41]
blockchain_enthu but the underlying principle of bitcoin is block-chain which can have many other applications [01:41]
blockchain_enthu precisely [01:41]
danielpbarron like what? [01:41]
blockchain_enthu umm.. like executing real estate transactions? [01:42]
blockchain_enthu i am still trying to explore more [01:43]
blockchain_enthu what are your thoughts on this? [01:43]
danielpbarron i'm trying to find the part in the log where this idea was proposed and shot down [01:44]
blockchain_enthu right. [01:45]
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danielpbarron aha found it! [01:48]
blockchain_enthu is there a way for me to read that part ? [01:49]
danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300461 [01:50]
assbot Logged on 16-10-2015 13:20:52; mircea_popescu: seriously, you're going to invent a blockchain way to make losers not be beaten up by their betters ? because why. [01:50]
danielpbarron i think that pretty well sums it up [01:50]
danielpbarron that and every other half-baked idea to "do x but this time with blockchain technowlogeez" [01:51]
blockchain_enthu LOL! Well a lot of ideas seem ridiculous before somebody manages to pull it off [01:52]
danielpbarron the key word there is 'somebody' and right now you ain't that [01:53]
danielpbarron !gettrust blockchain_enthu [01:53]
assbot blockchain_enthu is not registered in WoT. [01:53]
blockchain_enthu LOL! i'm not saying i'm going to do it. i'm just exploring the possibility [01:54]
blockchain_enthu and trying to get a sense of how far along have people thought over this [01:54]
danielpbarron do you have a bitcoin node? [01:56]
blockchain_enthu Nope [01:56]
blockchain_enthu like a said non-tech guy [01:57]
danielpbarron do you know the private key to any addresses with unspent outputs? [01:57]
blockchain_enthu Nope, again. [01:57]
mircea_popescu how about you read the log instead. [02:00]
danielpbarron here's another part of the log that seems relevant to your station >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1402512 << and funny thing is I'm currently watching The Matrix as we speak [02:00]
assbot Logged on 10-02-2016 21:10:11; mircea_popescu: these delusioanl urchins are so used to seeing themselves as a sort of neo-in-matrix that it just doesn't compute. [02:00]
kakobrekla read log? sounds too much like actual work. [02:00]
blockchain_enthu Well I am going through the log [02:01]
blockchain_enthu when i said real-estate transactions, i meant buying/selling of real-estate. [02:02]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla in fairness he prolly never actually met something like this yet. [02:04]
danielpbarron the one thing the block chain can do is move arbitrary numbers between arbitrary addresses and this works because it all exists totally within itself. The problem with trying to mesh this with things not-in-the-block-chain is that they do not have to obey the rules set forth therein [02:05]
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danielpbarron "this smart contract says x" "so what?" *clubs head* [02:06]
danielpbarron blockchain_enthu, I'd re-voice you but I can't think of anything else of interest to add here. If anyone else wants to take a turn... [02:10]
punkman !up blockchain_enthu [02:11]
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blockchain_enthu Thanks punkman [02:11]
blockchain_enthu the only counter point I'd like to make here is this: even though real world items do not follow rules like bitcoins do, but there is a whole system (read legal system) which allows people to do transactions and move things around [02:13]
blockchain_enthu and so, this would require recognition of block chain transactions as valid transactions in real world [02:14]
punkman one interesting thing would be land deeds notarized on the bitcoin chain [02:14]
blockchain_enthu punkman, how do you imagine that would work? [02:15]
mircea_popescu nobody cares about the legal system [02:15]
mircea_popescu it's more obsolete than democracy / marriage / working the fields with your hands. [02:15]
danielpbarron that's more of a WoT thing than a block chain thing, and we're back to betters beating losers [02:16]
punkman if you have jurisdiction over an area of land, not a bad thing to do. [02:16]
mircea_popescu if you do you wouldn't call it that. [02:16]
punkman call what [02:17]
mircea_popescu "jurisdiction" [02:17]
punkman what's a better word? [02:18]
mircea_popescu not a matter of word picking, i'm just making the point that there's no benefit for the new lord importing the old gunk. [02:18]
blockchain_enthu isn't land deeds prepared by only one authority? [02:19]
blockchain_enthu how does block chain make it any different? [02:19]
mircea_popescu it's not yet established that "land ownership" by the torens method has any room in the future. [02:20]
mircea_popescu moreover, currently afaik most of the us runs on the barbaric title-deed mechanism anyway. [02:21]
mircea_popescu so no - no central authority whatsoever. [02:21]
punkman what if you are the king of malta? [02:27]
blockchain_enthu anyway, i think i'll have to read up a lot more before i contribute to the discussion here. Thanks all for sharing your thoughts. [02:30]
mircea_popescu i dunno, what if ? [02:30]
mircea_popescu you mean the sovereign of the order or what ? [02:31]
punkman no, the sovereign of the island, and now you want to sell land to people [02:36]
mircea_popescu sell as in how ? [02:37]
mircea_popescu let them use it for as long as they pay you the rent ? [02:37]
punkman not lease [02:38]
mircea_popescu but ? [02:39]
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mircea_popescu "we grant, and of our liberality we bountifully bestow upon the aforesaid Very Reverend Grand Master of the Religion and Order of Saint John of Jerusalem, in feudal perpetuity, noble, free and unencumbered, our cities, castles, places and islands of Tripoli, Malta and Gozo, with all their cities, castles, places and island territories; with pure and mixed jurisdiction, right, and property of useful government; with po [02:43]
mircea_popescu wer of life and death over males and females residing within their limits, and with the laws, constitutions, and rights now existing amongst the inhabitants; together with all other laws and rights, exemptions, privileges, revenues and other immunities whatsoever; so that they may hereafter hold them in feudal tenure from us, as Kings of both Sicilies, and from our successors in the same kingdom, reigning at the time, [02:43]
mircea_popescu under the sole payment of a falcon; which every year, on the Feast of All Saints, shall be presented by the person or persons duly authorised for that purpose, into the hands of the Viceroy or President, who may at that time be administering the government, in sign and recognition of feudal tenure; and having made that payment, they shall remain exempt and free from all other service claimable by law, and by custom per [02:43]
mircea_popescu formed by feudal vassals" [02:43]
mircea_popescu that's how malta was originally acquired from the monarch of sicily. [02:43]
punkman not sure I have any nonstupid questions or answers on the topic [02:46]
mircea_popescu let's leave it at "property is a complicated thing" then. [02:47]
punkman sure is [02:48]
mircea_popescu in other incredible news, http://45.media.tumblr.com/58f9ac61a43511385289fa7a36544b66/tumblr_nqd990RYBo1ru873no1_400.gif [02:49]
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mircea_popescu o.O [04:07]
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BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1404408 << Malleus should end this [06:31]
assbot Logged on 13-02-2016 02:28:18; punkman: apparently a lot of implementations have "EXCEPTION: St12out_of_range" errors [06:31]
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BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [07:35]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 388.2, vol: 8447.62433736 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 392.0, vol: 7065.24097 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 389.09, vol: 16168.14630868 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 382.0, vol: 0.0385 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 402.945421, vol: 28044.99800000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 386.46001, vol: 919.14120466 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 389.4922, vol: 87.58605317 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) [07:35]
BingoBoingo ;;more [07:35]
gribble 395.663622551 [07:35]
BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats [07:39]
gribble Current Blocks: 398212 | Current Difficulty: 1.4411644784734866E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 399167 | Next Difficulty In: 955 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 6 hours, 47 minutes, and 22 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [07:39]
BingoBoingo Bittorrent Man: https://medium.com/@bramcohen/double-billing-is-not-healthy-competition-b698c345b11e#.vw9e3r195 [07:52]
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BingoBoingo Nothing new other than the introduction, which is gold: "Let’s say that you’re running a company and want to create some internal competition between teams to see which ones can perform better. You can do this with R&D, and sales, but I would humbly suggest that you don’t do it with receivables. Sending out duplicate invoices to customers is generally referred to as ‘criminal behavior’." [07:54]
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BingoBoingo !up wywialm [09:09]
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wywialm hi, thx BingoBoingo [09:09]
BingoBoingo Hello to you too. [09:09]
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punkman http://www.zmatt.net/unlocking-my-lenovo-laptop-part-3/ [10:40]
assbot Unlocking my Lenovo laptop, part 3 – zmatt.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1QyqzUb ) [10:40]
BingoBoingo I really don't understand why there isn't more outrage about the perpetuation of this lithium ion battery planned obscelescence scam. [10:47]
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BingoBoingo There's AA low self discharge NiMH cells out there with 2 amp hour capacities and up to 2100 recharge cycle life spans [10:48]
BingoBoingo !up copypaste [10:48]
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mircea_popescu this is a good q. [10:51]
BingoBoingo I mean that's about as good as or better energy density than Li-ion, vastly reduced fire hazard, and all kinds of other joy. [10:53]
punkman is it actually the same density? [10:55]
mircea_popescu no. [10:55]
mircea_popescu afaik it's about 70ish% [10:55]
punkman could even have easily replaceable 18650 lithium cells [10:57]
BingoBoingo I don't want lithium cells at all outside of cmos battery [10:57]
asciilifeform ~1/2 the density [10:57]
asciilifeform (nimh vs li) [10:58]
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asciilifeform again thank idiot hog x86 ! [10:59]
asciilifeform for gigantic flammable batteries that last 2y [10:59]
mircea_popescu you hate with an enduring passion rare in humans, mr alf. [10:59]
asciilifeform ty mircea_popescu ! [10:59]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2016/btmsr-block-cipher-competition/#comment-116499 << in other news, a lower bound claim appears. [10:59]
assbot B,TMSR~ Block Cipher Competition on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PTaETY ) [10:59]
asciilifeform i read the enchilada paper [11:00]
mircea_popescu i'd like to read how the lower bound claim is constructed. [11:01]
asciilifeform the proof appears to use the.... Handwaving technique. [11:01]
asciilifeform but i'd love to engage the author here. [11:01]
BingoBoingo ~1/2 the density << In practice I'm not so sure. 3 AA eneloops new offers a total 6.3 Ah. Present laptop's battery if new 5.2 Ah with much bigger cells [11:01]
mircea_popescu that's what makes these things iffy. gotta let the proponent state it whenever it's such a case. [11:01]
mircea_popescu actual good science can be summarized. this - no. [11:01]
asciilifeform ~voltage~ [11:02]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo there's been a lot of progress with fine meshes or w/e, but i'm pretty sure they still didn't manage to catch up to li ion [11:02]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: ^ [11:02]
mircea_popescu the 1/2 figure is more 2000era tho. they're better now. [11:02]
punkman eneloop is what, 1.2v, lenovo battery 12v, so you'd need 10 of them? [11:04]
BingoBoingo ~voltage~ << 9 in series to get required voltage [11:04]
BingoBoingo punkman: eneloop is 1.2v lenovo is 10.8 [11:04]
BingoBoingo 9 + charge controller could easily fit inside 6 li-ion cell battery prison's form factor. [11:06]
BingoBoingo Side effect of this is if weight is actually a concern (it really shouldn't be) AAA cell battery prison could also be offered. [11:07]
punkman AAA would take more space [11:08]
BingoBoingo how? AAA is smaller? [11:08]
punkman if you were to have the equivalent of 10 AA I mean [11:08]
BingoBoingo So, power reserve capacity goes down to get the lighter weight. This is just physics. [11:09]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: also remember the discharge curve. [11:09]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: So far playing with these astoundingly flat. [11:10]
BingoBoingo Or introduce the sensible compromise that clock gets throttled on battery power. [11:11]
punkman you could make battery pack that plugs in charger port, see what happens [11:12]
asciilifeform already sop [11:12]
BingoBoingo If current draw is really that big of a concern [11:12]
BingoBoingo you could make battery pack that plugs in charger port, see what happens << these tend to be li-ion, on in my present case charger is plugged into SLA [11:12]
punkman sla? [11:13]
asciilifeform that's another thing, internal resistance of nimh is pretty high [11:13]
asciilifeform vs li [11:13]
BingoBoingo sla? << sealed lead acid [11:14]
asciilifeform think about what this means [11:14]
BingoBoingo internal resistance also greatly reduced in the low self discharge version [11:15]
punkman http://funnyhacks.com/oldsite/?feed=fh&ep=10 [11:15]
assbot Running a laptop off AA batteries - Funnyhacks.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1PTbQXz ) [11:15]
punkman he's using 20 AAs for eee craptop [11:15]
asciilifeform aha, demo of internal resistance... [11:17]
asciilifeform (spoiler: melts) [11:18]
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asciilifeform phun phakt: hp200lx runs for ~month on a pair of 'aa'. [11:20]
asciilifeform (circa '92 or so) [11:21]
BingoBoingo I remember, but can it run bitcoind? [11:22]
asciilifeform mno [11:22]
asciilifeform neither could 'eeepc' [11:22]
asciilifeform nor mircea_popescu's thinkpad... [11:23]
BingoBoingo but mircea_popescu's thinkpad is not a computer. It is a bedtime video player. [11:24]
BingoBoingo runs bitcoind is separating line between general purpose computer and specialized limited purpose machine. [11:25]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1404665 << the 'if we close our eyes, mircea_popescu won't exist!' orchestra is a fountain of lulz [11:30]
assbot Logged on 13-02-2016 10:48:19; BingoBoingo: Bittorrent Man: https://medium.com/@bramcohen/double-billing-is-not-healthy-competition-b698c345b11e#.vw9e3r195 [11:30]
BingoBoingo Seriously [11:31]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1404651 << aha [11:35]
assbot Logged on 13-02-2016 09:26:59; BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1404408 << Malleus should end this [11:35]
asciilifeform lulzily, i wrote malleus upon being prodded by mircea_popescu - who hasn't, it appears, yet tried it [11:36]
BingoBoingo 12 years a lol [11:37]
asciilifeform (spoiler- worx great) [11:37]
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BingoBoingo !up p15x [11:37]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: waiwut [11:37]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: What, every explitive requires an explanation nao? [11:40]
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kakobrekla http://nodecounter.com/mining_donation_fund.php [12:12]
assbot NodeCounter.com (XTnodes.com) - Bitcoin Classic, XT, Unlimited Nodes, Blocks, Graphs, Charts, Statistics ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pu56hn ) [12:12]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: dem000000000cracy!11111 [12:19]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform there's a system catching up with it, too. [12:24]
mircea_popescu at 150k bnecause nohup weirdf atm [12:24]
* asciilifeform doesn't sync from heathen world any moar. either moves signed gigatarball around, or -connect's via ssh tunnel [12:25]
mircea_popescu i like syncing. [12:25]
asciilifeform srsly the stock sync mechanism is ~profoundly~ retarded. [12:26]
asciilifeform maybe 5% efficient. [12:26]
asciilifeform at all other times, either idles, or moves around worthless crud [12:26]
asciilifeform (unasked-for blocks) [12:26]
mircea_popescu i know. [12:28]
asciilifeform so what's to like ? [12:28]
shinohai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1404757 <<< /me experimented with -connecting to my blockchain stored on the pogo, haven't got it ironed out yet. [12:28]
assbot Logged on 13-02-2016 15:21:20; *: asciilifeform doesn't sync from heathen world any moar. either moves signed gigatarball around, or -connect's via ssh tunnel [12:28]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i'm a promiscuous sort what can i tell you. [12:30]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform> the 'if we close our eyes, mircea_popescu won't exist!' orchestra is a fountain of lulz <<< i'm totally making cocktails with water from there. makes the girls all giddy. [12:37]
asciilifeform l0l! [12:38]
mircea_popescu ok, so indeed it was the & [12:39]
mircea_popescu box now happy. [12:39]
asciilifeform toldya it won't detach unless & [12:39]
mircea_popescu the other one(s) do! [12:46]
mircea_popescu this is an utter scam. [12:46]
asciilifeform my other bus was brake-steerable !111 [12:46]
mircea_popescu :) [12:47]
mircea_popescu in unrelated news : i just used ~4mn satoshi worth of Eulora stuff to dig up ~7mn worth of Eulora stuff. I just earned 3 bitcents off virtual mmorpg economy this morning, on top of everything else! [12:47]
* mircea_popescu is really digging this virtual employee thing. leave the poor player overnight, come back to more riches! [12:48]
mircea_popescu Mircea Mircescu paid for Mircea Popescu's coffee this morn! [12:48]
BingoBoingo !b 2 [12:50]
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mats https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/92/be/7b/92be7bc80c7d9a53352ec14de5c64091.jpg [12:56]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1VbLoIL ) [12:56]
mircea_popescu heh [12:56]
mircea_popescu this, for the record my dear lord mats , is entirely a constructed, deliberate neurosis. there is nothing paralyzing about uncertainity in se. the paralizing bit, much like the horse's bit, or the nail in the grenade, is the expectation of maximal outcome, often doublespoken as "responsibility", and generally internalized as "self respect" or somesuch. [12:57]
mircea_popescu once you accept that human life is definitionalyl worthless, and ESPECIALLY that of those people you care about (chiefly - your own), uncertainity is no more threatening than atmosphere is overpowering. [12:58]
mircea_popescu "oh im here at the bottom of an ocean of air exerting 100kpa on my every limb, i can scarcely move!!1" [12:58]
mircea_popescu really ? [12:58]
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shinohai !rate mats 2 True patgron of the Bitcoin arts. http://btc.blockr.io/tx/info/5ca0c787756f65e213ad1f1b28db0703d730bebe6883d2aed735f87c52ca7b4c [13:00]
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shinohai !v assbot:shinohai.rate.mats.2:40da9082915c65e8c7a11d071c2c2b9d69d4b9920ad0dca9a63f4dbfb4f5bf71 [13:01]
assbot Successfully updated the rating for mats from 1 to 2 with note: True patgron of the Bitcoin arts. http://btc.blockr.io/tx/info/5ca0c787756f65e213ad1f1b28db0703d730bebe6883d2aed735f87c52ca7b4c [13:01]
shinohai shit gotta redo I misspelled [13:01]
kakobrekla you meant 'warts' instead? [13:02]
shinohai !rate mats 2 True patron of the Bitcoin arts. http://btc.blockr.io/tx/info/5ca0c787756f65e213ad1f1b28db0703d730bebe6883d2aed735f87c52ca7b4c [13:03]
assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/1a49c21b5f3a6334 [13:03]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1VbLXm1 ) [13:03]
shinohai !v assbot:shinohai.rate.mats.2:006ea4e3da7d1bec825091754adebe945ee22bb6805bf1785af81a43a088399e [13:04]
assbot Successfully updated the rating for mats from 2 to 2 with note: True patron of the Bitcoin arts. http://btc.blockr.io/tx/info/5ca0c787756f65e213ad1f1b28db0703d730bebe6883d2aed735f87c52ca7b4c [13:04]
shinohai better [13:04]
mats mircea_popescu: to me it is just a cute comic with a boy and an anthropomorphic tiger [13:07]
mats i dun look for insights into the human condition in such places [13:07]
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mircea_popescu makes sense. [13:14]
mircea_popescu * NejcKodric (54ffd749@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.255.215.73) has joined #bitcoin-assets << was that the bitstamp dood ? [13:14]
mircea_popescu hey, patgron is pretty cool! [13:15]
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BingoBoingo Could be him. Could be hello dog. [13:15]
kakobrekla ip is slovenia so quite possibly [13:16]
mircea_popescu peeps gotta up newbs! [13:17]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla i thought they moved to some uk incubeator ? [13:17]
kakobrekla i think he (personally) is still around here [13:17]
mircea_popescu a [13:18]
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kakobrekla i doubt he had anything of substance to say [13:18]
mircea_popescu and in more of the same news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lykryf1mMZ1qzr5eeo1_1280.jpg [13:20]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ti1d2L ) [13:20]
BingoBoingo peeps gotta up newbs! << was looking away at some twitter policy garbage [13:21]
mircea_popescu in other lolz : 164.132.48.48 is at ~70k loads of trilema.com/xmlrpc.php over the past 3 days. comes to twenty a minute or some shit. [13:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 272171 @ 0.00056737 = 154.4217 BTC [+] [13:31]
mircea_popescu but hey, italy isn't a part of africa, populated by first-generation-in-shoes subhuman horde. they got like technologees and shit. can spam like teh pros! [13:31]
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BingoBoingo !up SandyHarris [13:31]
mircea_popescu !up SandyHarris [13:31]
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-assbot- You voiced SandyHarris for another 30 minutes. [13:31]
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mircea_popescu it doesn't work, but then again neither did whatever the "hacker team" was doing, so... [13:32]
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mircea_popescu lol [13:32]
BingoBoingo The most important part of any wordpress installation is the deletion of xmlrpc.php [13:32]
mircea_popescu eh waht do i care, let the kids be leet and shit. [13:33]
mircea_popescu not like it does anything. [13:33]
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BingoBoingo It does even less things when gone. [13:37]
deedbot- [Qntra] Twitter Adopting Dangerous Benesch Speech Framework - http://qntra.net/2016/02/twitter-adopting-dangerous-benesch-speech-framework/ [13:39]
BingoBoingo ^ Twitter makes banning all mircea_popescus official policy [13:39]
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punkman https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ca1lMpBXEAAsVkX.jpg [13:40]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ti2NSc ) [13:40]
BingoBoingo latest qntra updated, forgot a link [13:41]
BingoBoingo For alf who does not want to feed google https://archive.is/i3uRl [13:44]
assbot Staff — Dangerous Speech Project ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ti35sp ) [13:44]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo eh, dangerous for whom ? twitter is a goner, they're not making money, they can't make money, the share is collapsing, a 2020 with twitter still around is an impossibility. [13:44]
mircea_popescu the [sort of] people who bought slashdot will soon buy twitter and that's that. [13:44]
mircea_popescu turns out mps banning you sticks, you banning them doesn't. who knew. [13:44]
BingoBoingo dangerous for people who think twitter like tor is relevant to an anything [13:45]
mircea_popescu https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ca1lMpBXEAAsVkX.jpg << win. [13:45]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ti2NSc ) [13:45]
mircea_popescu so, so much win. [13:45]
danielpbarron heh i'm not banned yet, and i tweeted the death warrant [13:45]
mircea_popescu an entire "culture" of retards lies buried there, reddit, cracked, wikipedia, twitter, the bell bottoms and disco hair of the 2000s. [13:46]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: That's a sign the twitter stasi find you unimportant [13:46]
danielpbarron i thought maybe it was because i have a really old account and i don't spam, ever [13:47]
BingoBoingo Nope [13:47]
mircea_popescu nah, they actually go by this inept shit. [13:48]
danielpbarron if it weren't for my extremely offensive views, i'm really their perfect user [13:48]
danielpbarron or maybe even better my offensive views [13:48]
danielpbarron gets more impressions or whatever [13:48]
BingoBoingo If you say subversive things on twitter and haven't been banned yet, it is because they have determined you are an unimportant loon. This is why I find twitter offensive for its failure to ban me. [13:48]
mircea_popescu im not even sure they have a perfect user. they don't aim to anything. [13:49]
mircea_popescu lol BingoBoingo. give it time, overnight dangerousness is usually obtained in a decade or two. [13:49]
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mircea_popescu in other susan benesch news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/e491ea42ab51f2d3de9edfdf33690cb9/tumblr_nitiu49x4j1u2j8oyo1_1280.jpg [13:53]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1o9VOOp ) [13:53]
mircea_popescu rabbit replacement BingoBoingo ? [13:54]
mircea_popescu qntra, the... electrocuting news site. [13:54]
BingoBoingo I dunno. Dixie seems to have substantial branding value due to the length of history. Mebbe we can save that for our eventual electrifying literary magazine? [13:55]
mircea_popescu kk [13:55]
danielpbarron heh i switched to Rhodesia flag on my profile pic last night [13:56]
danielpbarron people kept complaining the confed flag was too offensive [13:56]
mircea_popescu lmao [13:56]
punkman http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/07/world/asia/wanted-in-china-more-male-teachers-to-make-boys-men.html [14:01]
assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ti4AqG ) [14:01]
punkman tumblr links are just timing out for me [14:01]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1404839 << i use strictly fisher's cylinders in pen [14:02]
assbot Logged on 13-02-2016 16:41:44; mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ca1lMpBXEAAsVkX.jpg << win. [14:02]
asciilifeform mega-ink [14:02]
asciilifeform won't run, laughs at grease, water, dirt, crummy paper [14:03]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2011/adio-twitter/ << from back when mp quit twitter the first time [14:03]
assbot Adio twitter on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ti4JdB ) [14:03]
asciilifeform and no pressure drop [14:03]
asciilifeform soldiers on until entirely empty. [14:04]
danielpbarron punkman, try the bit.ly link [14:04]
danielpbarron heh I also use a spacepen [14:04]
danielpbarron had it for years [14:04]
* BingoBoingo has been gradually shifting to felt tipped pens as he writes less on paper. [14:05]
punkman "NTP server set to 1.1.1970 on a public hotspot will brick IOS devices (iPad and iPhones), requiring physical repair." https://www.reddit.com/r/jailbreak/comments/458ao3/discussion_changing_time_date_settings_to_jan_1/ [14:06]
assbot [Discussion] Changing Time & Date settings to Jan 1, 1970 will permanently brick 64-bit iOS devices : jailbreak ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ti4U8M ) [14:06]
asciilifeform oldnyooz [14:06]
punkman ntp part is new for me [14:06]
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mircea_popescu ntp ftw! [14:08]
mats should be relatively easy to impersonate an aapl ntp server and brick phones on a network [14:08]
BingoBoingo should be relatively easy to impersonate an aapl ntp server and brick phones on a network << Imagine if a terrorist messed with BGP servers [14:09]
mircea_popescu imagien the productivity gains if all the apple products were bricked. [14:10]
BingoBoingo Seriously [14:11]
BingoBoingo In other news canon powershot A495 (2010 vintage) solid little camera. Picked one up for $25 and change. Manages to get by using two AA batteries. [14:12]
deedbot- [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] A few things you don’t see every day, Edición Mexicana. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/02/13/a-few-things-you-dont-see-every-day-edicion-mexicana/ [14:12]
punkman BingoBoingo: http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/A495 [14:13]
assbot A495 - CHDK Wiki - Wikia ... ( http://bit.ly/1o9Zr6N ) [14:13]
BingoBoingo punkman: ty, but it's a fucking camera. I don't see much cause for dicking its firmware up yet. [14:14]
punkman handy for timelapsing and other things [14:16]
BingoBoingo I thought that's what fiverrrar was for? [14:17]
punkman from the journal of entomology https://medium.com/female-founders/my-startup-failed-and-this-is-what-it-feels-like-c5d64b3ae96b [14:23]
assbot My startup failed, and this is what it feels like… — Female Founders — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ti6Fmn ) [14:23]
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assbot Logged on 13-02-2016 01:32:22; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1404057 << i didn't know you swung that way! [14:33]
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mircea_popescu "My startup failed, and this is what it feels like : the most banal shit ever" [14:50]
mircea_popescu what start-up didn't fail ? [14:50]
mircea_popescu meanwhile in dirigible lands, http://36.media.tumblr.com/607b5369ffec29a56371edb54e74d54b/tumblr_nno8q1rjX61uu92gho1_1280.jpg [14:50]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1myQnHt ) [14:50]
mircea_popescu !s 99dresses [14:50]
assbot 0 results for '99dresses' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=99dresses [14:50]
mircea_popescu damn i thought for sure we lolled at this before [14:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52663 @ 0.00057021 = 30.029 BTC [+] {2} [15:02]
BingoBoingo Honestly at this point many of the lolfish are starting to taste the same. [15:03]
mircea_popescu redditard has brief moment of clarity : "I never realised how much I hate democracy until I had to endure idiots (like myself) insisting that their voice be heard regarding the blocksize despite not having any of the required technical knowledge." [15:04]
BingoBoingo lol [15:05]
asciilifeform 'Over 90% of tech startups fail, but I never thought my baby, 99dresses, would be one of them.' << gold [15:14]
* asciilifeform washing decade of crud out of cpu heat sinks [15:15]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1404900 << eva braun ! [15:15]
assbot Logged on 13-02-2016 17:46:26; mircea_popescu: meanwhile in dirigible lands, http://36.media.tumblr.com/607b5369ffec29a56371edb54e74d54b/tumblr_nno8q1rjX61uu92gho1_1280.jpg [15:15]
mircea_popescu and in more "lively faces" news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/98f563a2214fedc5949dc23b7bd1553b/tumblr_nqt6goBpRW1uu92gho1_1280.jpg [15:16]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/242IRXy ) [15:16]
mircea_popescu it occurs to me, meditating upon alf's observation, that there's probably massive evolution pressure on this, to the level of the evolutionary pressure on breast size. [15:16]
shinohai Looks like Morticia Adams as a young lady [15:17]
mircea_popescu after all... woman face is supposed to not be wrinkly, right ? [15:17]
ben_vulpes those are some very short counters [15:19]
mircea_popescu maybe it's for working-while-kneeling. [15:19]
ben_vulpes in news from the horror show: https://github.com/klen/python-mode/blob/develop/Rakefile [15:20]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1404913 << not lively [15:20]
assbot python-mode/Rakefile at develop · klen/python-mode · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1oabmBu ) [15:20]
assbot Logged on 13-02-2016 18:12:14; mircea_popescu: and in more "lively faces" news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/98f563a2214fedc5949dc23b7bd1553b/tumblr_nqt6goBpRW1uu92gho1_1280.jpg [15:20]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform sarcasm is wasted on the young! [15:20]
ben_vulpes https://github.com/klen/python-mode/blob/develop/Gemfile << same vein [15:20]
assbot python-mode/Gemfile at develop · klen/python-mode · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1oabpgS ) [15:20]
asciilifeform l0l [15:20]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: what am i looking at [15:20]
ben_vulpes ruby in a python project [15:20]
asciilifeform ..why? [15:21]
ben_vulpes do you also ask the clowns why they paint their faces? [15:21]
asciilifeform '“But you’re taking a massive risk! That’s so brave!” they’d say. I never thought so. The biggest risk in my eyes was going to university, getting a stable job, and sliding into a comfortable life. There’s nothing wrong with that, but I knew it wasn’t me.' [15:21]
shinohai why? [15:21]
punkman ben_vulpes: but it also has a Makefile [15:22]
mircea_popescu ok, so chick thinks she's special, a lifetime of progenitorial slavery not fit for the likes of her. fine! jolly good! [15:23]
mircea_popescu turns out there's exactly 0 demand for her as an 'entrepreneur' or w/e it was, so i guess the cats await. [15:23]
ben_vulpes punkman "why were those tartars locked in boxes to starve to death?" [15:23]
asciilifeform mmhmmhgmmmmm! [15:23]
ben_vulpes ask me not these questions. i have no answers. i bring only gore from the depths. [15:24]
asciilifeform speaking of cats, they are having some sort of tourney in my back yard [15:24]
ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1404370 << that is *precisely* the line that cleaves the world. [15:25]
assbot Logged on 13-02-2016 02:18:58; mod6: <+ben_vulpes> my mind recoils at the notion of running a reference implementation compiled without knowing the patchlist going into it << im not sure how to reconsile this. either you don't know what you're doing and you use a fully automated build script, or you do, and you build by hand. [15:25]
mircea_popescu what tourney, "which can imitate a five year old being torn limb from limb closer to life" ? [15:25]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes eh hush, you've not done something by hand yet today. [15:26]
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mircea_popescu did you run electricity "by hand" from the plant to your shaver or just not shaving ? [15:26]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: something involving ritualized staredowns and directional pissing [15:26]
mircea_popescu oh, they're having primaries. [15:26]
asciilifeform aha! [15:26]
asciilifeform the actual fighting tends to happen in the evening [15:27]
punkman usually around 6am here [15:27]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: ridiculous [15:27]
* mircea_popescu actually got awoken once because the damned things were wailing exactly like someone trying to shove a baby through a pasta strainer. [15:27]
ben_vulpes "you haven't done anything because you're using sed and awk which you didn't write HA!" [15:28]
mircea_popescu well ? [15:29]
mircea_popescu you didn't even fucking read, let alone write. [15:30]
mircea_popescu unlike you, i have explicit author names and explicit trust relations with them. so... bald men shouldn't throw rox! [15:30]
ben_vulpes unlike what now? [15:30]
ben_vulpes perhaps a better formulation would be that there are those who curate their own patch selection and those who delegate to the foundation. [15:32]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu has own awk ?! [15:32]
shinohai !rate mod6 2 Hours of trb instruction and support for my node. [15:32]
assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/abd95ba7cfa366c5 [15:32]
asciilifeform share plox ? [15:32]
mircea_popescu curation happens by .wot inclusion [15:32]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform just making a point for the benefit of the fox here. [15:33]
* ben_vulpes is benefitted [15:33]
shinohai !v assbot:shinohai.rate.mod6.2:0f050f1c797392f9227a43c09e1c17e450e2894a21900100fbe318ac6c347499 [15:33]
assbot Successfully updated the rating for mod6 from 1 to 2 with note: Hours of trb instruction and support for my node. [15:33]
mircea_popescu it is increasingly obvious, to me, that there should be a new genesis made, signed by a specially generated identity, "test". [15:34]
mircea_popescu this way people can base on THAT tree and know for certain they will never end up included in production. [15:34]
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mircea_popescu ratger than expecting users to use any other buttons than the buttons, design the system so that it actually uses the buttons properly. [15:35]
asciilifeform parallel trees complicate things [15:35]
punkman why second genesis? [15:35]
mircea_popescu they complicate things in the correct manner, however. [15:36]
mircea_popescu punkman so someone can write experimental code without risking it showing up in a production environment and getting negrated for it. [15:36]
mircea_popescu make no mistake about it : it is NOT the user who relies on foundation curation. it is THE CODER. [15:37]
punkman sounds like putting cart before horse [15:37]
mircea_popescu whenever you sign something on the main trunk, you are swearing with your life it is good to go. [15:37]
mircea_popescu hoping that mod6 will save you from inclusion arbitrarily is a lot fucking weaker than just having the proper control of only signing in the test branch, and choosing where yhou sign [15:38]
mircea_popescu punkman no, cart is currently put before horse. sounds like putting cart and horse back in the right places [15:38]
asciilifeform can we do this starting with next release ? [15:38]
asciilifeform rather than signing 1000000 things [15:38]
asciilifeform again. [15:38]
mircea_popescu ok. [15:39]
asciilifeform also the hashes will have to actually differ [15:39]
asciilifeform (say, add the skull in comment to every .cpp and .h, and to make, ...) [15:39]
mircea_popescu sorry alf, you're part of a standards group. this re-do work 10k times is par for the cutpurse. [15:39]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i'm all for constructive gruntwork [15:39]
asciilifeform (consider how i even got involved) [15:40]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yup. or any other thing. here's a thought : once one hash differs, the ones downstream will because it includes the different hash [15:40]
asciilifeform well yes [15:40]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, i know, jus' sayin. [15:40]
asciilifeform but they ~all~ gotta differ [15:40]
mircea_popescu yeah. [15:40]
mircea_popescu i am thinking : maybe including a comment line as "this patch is intended to be applied on prev hash blabla" would do it. [15:41]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo that is the most cretinous thing i ever heard. [15:45]
mircea_popescu what does it even mean ? there was a fork! there's ten forks a day. wtf. [15:45]
punkman I think you gotta either use a release or care about which patches you use, now if there are different production and testing releases that's another thing [15:45]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Apparently BizzaroBet isn't particular about wording [15:45]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo that thing can't possibly be anything but a scam at this point, of the "magic doubler address" ilk. [15:46]
mircea_popescu i mean they're not even trying. [15:46]
BingoBoingo Likely, but I'm not risking shit to see for sure because of that possibility [15:47]
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* mircea_popescu is reading geology glossaries instead. [15:50]
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jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1404197 looks like you confuse hard radiation (as in gamma/roentgen rays) shielding and RF "radio frequency" shielding [16:14]
assbot Logged on 13-02-2016 01:30:18; mircea_popescu: because of the fucking impedance in thin fillaments and other considerations, your shit will never work as a straight conductor. [16:14]
mircea_popescu radiation is a continuum! [16:15]
jurov but the shielding material necessary is markedly different [16:15]
mircea_popescu understand : a very thin, insulated fillament is not a piece of shielding, but in turn an antenna. [16:16]
mircea_popescu and "insulated" is a function of conductivity, which is a function of thickness. [16:16]
jurov not if it's woven in the grid, only the holes count to RF. [16:17]
BingoBoingo As of this week gotta be concerned about leaky emissions on the million meter spectrum. [16:17]
mircea_popescu jurov that's just an engineering rule of thumb, based on some assumptions. [16:18]
asciilifeform grounded conductor is not an antenna... [16:18]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform if it is grounded. [16:18]
jurov and due to skin effect if you use thick but relatively poor conductor you'll get a surprises at > MHz stuff [16:19]
mircea_popescu an arbitrarily thin filament of an arbitrary length is NOT grounded merely on the grounds that you connected it to a pipe somewhere. [16:19]
jurov faraday cage works ungrounded either [16:19]
jurov but to shield shorter wavelength, you need smaller holes in it [16:20]
mircea_popescu yes, but smaller holes and thinner wires are unrelated items here. [16:22]
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mircea_popescu you don't get an out of jail free card re wires just because "but officer, i needed smaller holes" [16:22]
jurov ofc, you're welcome to shield your walls with 2mm solid metal. the salesman prolly won't tell you that only first few micrometers count for the nastiest stuff like GSM anyway [16:28]
jurov these requencies don't penetrate deeper [16:28]
jurov hence, wowen thin wires work, too. [16:29]
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mircea_popescu the problem of penetration isn't the only consideration here. what you're saying is akin to the proposition that a cpu is only hot on the surface, so only a fool would connect it to 5kg of copper. [16:30]
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mircea_popescu you have to be able to drain the flow. [16:30]
BingoBoingo connect to buried brine [16:31]
jurov the EM field induces currents in the conductors, which cancel it. no need to drain these anywhere [16:31]
mircea_popescu by which logic faraday cage no longer needs to be grounded. [16:32]
jurov of course it does not need [16:32]
mircea_popescu gee. [16:33]
BingoBoingo probably best to ground anything that isn't used for explicitly vexual purposes though. [16:33]
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jurov ungrounded faraday cage tends to get charged, which is not easily detectable from within, untill you open it, get out, and touch the ground [16:34]
mircea_popescu what is the difference between ungrounded faraday cage and dipole antenna ? [16:35]
jurov but otherwise it does not allow radio frequencies in (when built to spec) [16:35]
mircea_popescu and plox don't tell me it's the shape. [16:35]
jurov faraday case encloses you so wellthat it allows currents induced by external RF to cancel it [16:36]
mircea_popescu so i can not cut a hole into a faraday cage with a proton beam. [16:37]
jurov proton beam !=== RF [16:38]
mircea_popescu it'll just melt wholesale. [16:38]
mircea_popescu and how do you make this distinction ? [16:38]
jurov RF is pulsating electromagnetic field, i.e. photons [16:38]
mircea_popescu photons have no charge. [16:38]
jurov the field does. for example the tesla coil causes strong electromagnetic field, which causes surrounding matter to ionise and get electrically charged [16:40]
jurov at the same time also radiates electromagnetic waves as photos [16:41]
jurov beause the field isn't DC but AC [16:41]
mircea_popescu as king arthur once said to trusty sir belvedere, "This new learning amazes me" [16:42]
jurov but we're going rather far. the original discussion was about shielding microwaves from radio transmission, cellphones etc. [16:42]
mircea_popescu and you were going to distinguish between far uv and close x-rays on some sort of a basis. other than "cuz i say 3*10^16 and fu" [16:43]
jurov ? [16:44]
jurov you mentioned yest nuclear cross-sections, they do apply to EUV and x-rays [16:44]
mircea_popescu anyways. the original discussion was about how you can't make a mesh arbitrarily fine and expect it to still shield anything. [16:44]
jurov but are utterly irrelevant for microwaves [16:45]
jurov oooh that, you want to shield these. oook. [16:45]
mircea_popescu there's a minimal thickness as a function of the material involved that can be used. [16:45]
mircea_popescu well that's what it was, some derps came out with what struck me on first sight as a sort of "gasoline saving magnets", ie these superthin meshes that'll "protect your monitor from nsa spying" [16:46]
mircea_popescu as a matter of faith working miracles or somesuch. [16:46]
jurov and you imagined your monitor emits x-rays for nsa to spy on and started considering shielding foir these? [16:47]
jurov point taken. [16:47]
mircea_popescu no, i just said that i would expect on the basis of guesswork for indium -group metals to work out as the thinnest functional mesh [16:47]
mircea_popescu as opposed to fucking nickel [16:48]
mircea_popescu but i still can't be arsed to do the actual math for it, so whatevs. [16:48]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1405035 << here's a mindfuck: net charge in ~closed~ conductor contour is 0. [16:56]
assbot Logged on 13-02-2016 19:28:29; mircea_popescu: by which logic faraday cage no longer needs to be grounded. [16:56]
asciilifeform ground has nothing to do with it. [16:56]
asciilifeform green's theorem ! [16:56]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1405044 << trick question, the protons cut the hole with momentum, not charge. [16:57]
assbot Logged on 13-02-2016 19:33:28; mircea_popescu: so i can not cut a hole into a faraday cage with a proton beam. [16:57]
asciilifeform just like a saw. [16:58]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1405062 << the claim from the supplier was, iirc, 50dB from dc to 10GH [16:59]
assbot Logged on 13-02-2016 19:42:13; mircea_popescu: well that's what it was, some derps came out with what struck me on first sight as a sort of "gasoline saving magnets", ie these superthin meshes that'll "protect your monitor from nsa spying" [16:59]
asciilifeform not 'magic shield' [16:59]
asciilifeform as for the crackpottery, it pre-dates public obsession with nsa, and even the gsm and 'smart meter' psychosis, goes way back to 1970s (!) 'power lines will kill you with magnetics' thing [17:00]
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BingoBoingo Come on, we all know why them gubmint veterinarians want us to feed our cows their magnets... [17:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9139 @ 0.00056737 = 5.1852 BTC [-] {2} [17:09]
mod6 <+mircea_popescu> hoping that mod6 will save you from inclusion arbitrarily is a lot fucking weaker than just having the proper control of only signing in the test branch, and choosing where yhou sign << yah, this may be a really good idea. right now, we're livin on the edge. [17:11]
mod6 ok. [17:12]
mod6 so lastnight, I tested an updated version of the automated build script 'build-bitcoind-V99996.sh' -- the version that's currently deedbotted is no longer ok since I reground alfs patches. [17:13]
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mod6 If anyone wants to be helpful and test this change, you can find the updated version here: http://www.mod6.net/btcf/build-bitcoind-V99996_2.sh [17:16]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1XqjVEO ) [17:16]
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mod6 after you build with the above script, you should end up with the following manifiest if you follow along with this find command as such: http://dpaste.com/2VFXNFX.txt [17:32]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1oe7Bvx ) [17:32]
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shinohai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1405086 <<< /me is building now [17:38]
assbot Logged on 13-02-2016 20:12:51; mod6: If anyone wants to be helpful and test this change, you can find the updated version here: http://www.mod6.net/btcf/build-bitcoind-V99996_2.sh [17:38]
mod6 shinohai: awesome, thanks! [17:38]
mod6 we're gonna have to go through this again here not too long from now when V v99995 comes out, but hopefully that'll be the last time for a while. [17:39]
shinohai mod6: is this version already with patched V ? [17:40]
shinohai or do I still need to do that [17:40]
mod6 oooh, you mean the beta patches? naw, you shouldn't need to do that. [17:40]
mod6 it'd be rather difficult to do anyway if you wanted to, you'd have to stop mid-script and then update V, then continue. [17:42]
shinohai kk I'll just test as-is for now [17:43]
mod6 yeah, that'd be fine. [17:43]
shinohai also should have a much improved status page running in a few days, Im gonna wait for full sync to turn it on [17:44]
mod6 neato [17:45]
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jurov !t m x.eur [18:14]
assbot [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00332082 / 0.00332253 / 0.00332476 (218 shares, 0.72 BTC), 7D: 0.00282315 / 0.00295966 / 0.00332476 (1125 shares, 3.33 BTC), 30D: 0.00258386 / 0.00275891 / 0.00332476 (14677 shares, 40.49 BTC) [18:14]
jurov ;;ticker --currency eur --market bitcoin-central [18:14]
gribble Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR ticker | Best bid: 344.3, Best ask: 346.999, Bid-ask spread: 2.69900, Last trade: 346.999, 24 hour volume: 50.93502582, 24 hour low: 338.0, 24 hour high: 349.99989193, 24 hour vwap: 347.38993266 [18:14]
jurov ;;calc 1/347.38993266 [18:14]
gribble 0.00287860961411 [18:14]
jurov davout ^^^^ ? [18:14]
jurov and interesting why price went *up * in absence of the bot [18:17]
mats is everyone asleep at the wheel? [18:17]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all --currency eur [18:18]
gribble Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 346.493768, vol: 7244.90217088 | BTC-E BTCEUR last: 349.0, vol: 51.9903 | CampBX BTCEUR last: 339.3688, vol: 0.0385 | BTCChina BTCEUR last: 357.6528, vol: 24776.07600000 | Kraken BTCEUR last: 344.95879, vol: 6180.32225167 | Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR last: 346.999, vol: 50.93502582 | Volume-weighted last average: 353.468086158 [18:18]
shinohai https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/45i6gf/advice_on_recovering_blockchainio_account_after/ <<< top fucking kek. "I made a temp account on Blockchain.io, not entering an email, writing down the 12 word code or passoword, something I should have done." [18:18]
assbot Advice on Recovering Blockchain.io Account After Losing Password : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/20vmTro ) [18:18]
jurov anyone has any x.eur i can short while davout is sleeping? [18:21]
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thestringpuller i think my node stalled. [18:34]
thestringpuller oh no. now it's a zombie process. [18:35]
shinohai ;;blocks [18:36]
gribble 398291 [18:36]
danielpbarron "blocks" : 386780, << mine's still going uninterrupted since i started it [18:36]
thestringpuller oh man debug.log is way too big [18:37]
danielpbarron mine is 7 gigs [18:38]
thestringpuller danielpbarron: ERROR: AcceptToMemoryPool() : ConnectInputs failed 23757d60dd <<< do these affect anything? [18:38]
danielpbarron i think it just means you don't have the block that they spend from yet [18:39]
danielpbarron you can get bogged down by them from time to time but it should eventually move on [18:39]
jurov yes you don't have block nor transaction [18:39]
thestringpuller oh it chocked on bastard blocks [18:39]
mod6 (21:17) <+jurov> anyone has any x.eur i can short while davout is sleeping? [18:57]
mod6 eek. sorry, no idea how i just pasted that in there. [18:58]
danielpbarron aww poor jurov [18:58]
danielpbarron got his hopes up [18:58]
mod6 ya srsly. sorry j. [18:59]
mod6 im over here rollin up that new version of V. [18:59]
mod6 i think i need a bigger desk [19:04]
BingoBoingo Well, 'Murica is fucked now. [19:12]
BingoBoingo ;;google scalia texas resort [19:12]
gribble Court divided over University of Texas race-conscious admissions ...: ; Justice Scalia Suggests Blacks Belong at "Slower" Colleges | Mother ...: [19:12]
BingoBoingo http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/us-world/article/Senior-Associate-Justice-Antonin-Scalia-found-6828930.php?cmpid=twitter-desktop [19:12]
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jurov O.o [19:20]
jurov mod6: can you take photo with your desk and V rolled out? [19:21]
jurov or it's already baking? [19:21]
mod6 haha [19:21]
jurov but i must say, the apron is sexy, suits you [19:22]
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mod6 thanks :] [19:24]
mod6 from just looking around tho, i noticed that the V graph on my wall is out of date. [19:26]
mod6 ok all set. [19:31]
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pete_dushenski https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99 << 9!! [19:59]
assbot Network Snapshot - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeJp6j ) [19:59]
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mircea_popescu o noes! [20:01]
mod6 whats up? [20:01]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1404237 << i was having this exact problem with 99996k (v1) box. it was alternating between choking on bastards, like thestringpuller's node, and offing itself for no apparent reason. just stopping it now and about to rebuild with mod6's latest script but it's taken ~3 weeks and is only at 325k due to this on-again-off-again shenanigans [20:01]
assbot Logged on 13-02-2016 01:53:07; mircea_popescu: anyone ever saw a process get ended after you disconnect a nohup session ?! [20:01]
mircea_popescu mod6 you know, "9, o noes" [20:02]
mod6 ooh [20:02]
pete_dushenski it requires constant babysitting to watch for a jam and restart so that it ever keeps eating blox [20:02]
shinohai I finally put restart in a crontab until mine caught up >.< [20:02]
mod6 can someone explain what nohup is for? [20:03]
mod6 do i not see that same issue because i run with `&' in a screen session? [20:03]
mircea_popescu nohup catches the sighup and lets the program continue [20:03]
mircea_popescu screen does the same thing, so does tmux [20:03]
mod6 hrm. [20:04]
shinohai I use tmux but sometimes `& disown` and it works fine. [20:04]
mod6 my node doesn't choke at all, and seems to even see blocks before btc.blockr.io sometimes. [20:04]
mod6 ugh. my hair is going grey [20:04]
mircea_popescu my beard is half white [20:05]
mod6 im catchin up! [20:05]
mircea_popescu hehe [20:06]
mircea_popescu and in other "girls for alf" contestant winner news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/a3fde9a27cbdcf73973fdb23d003643f/tumblr_nqijweVkX91uu92gho1_1280.jpg [20:07]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1R1Q7M3 ) [20:07]
mod6 nice [20:08]
mod6 i guess, my node is already sync'd so i'm not going through that part of a full sync atm. [20:09]
mircea_popescu !rated shinohai [20:09]
assbot You rated user shinohai on 03-Jul-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: New blood.. [20:09]
mircea_popescu !rate shinohai 2 Active TRB tester guy. [20:10]
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shinohai ty [20:12]
mats scalia is dead [20:12]
mod6 who cares [20:12]
mats his family, i suppose [20:14]
shinohai The beneficiaries of his will. [20:14]
mircea_popescu mod6> who cares << he was very popular with a certain crowd. [20:15]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1405182 << now obamitler can ??? [20:24]
assbot Logged on 13-02-2016 23:08:28; mod6: who cares [20:24]
mod6 what? [20:24]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1405086 << why does line 46 have asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected.vpatch instead latest vpatch as on previous 99996 and 99997 iterations ? [20:24]
assbot Logged on 13-02-2016 20:12:51; mod6: If anyone wants to be helpful and test this change, you can find the updated version here: http://www.mod6.net/btcf/build-bitcoind-V99996_2.sh [20:24]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1405170 << lol are these even alive?! [20:24]
assbot Logged on 13-02-2016 23:03:05; mircea_popescu: and in other "girls for alf" contestant winner news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/a3fde9a27cbdcf73973fdb23d003643f/tumblr_nqijweVkX91uu92gho1_1280.jpg [20:24]
mircea_popescu omg hating the fishes! [20:25]
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mod6 a fuck [20:25]
mod6 what pete_dushenski? [20:25]
* asciilifeform bbl [20:25]
pete_dushenski mod6: weren't we tweaking previous patches by changing that one line to 'malleus' ? [20:25]
mod6 oh, because the leaf ordering is different. if you want a press of "all" patches as they exist in the mirror, currently, you need to press up through asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected.vpatch [20:26]
mod6 malleus didn't change. just was reground. [20:26]
pete_dushenski aha. nifty. [20:26]
pete_dushenski just building '6_2' now. smooth sailing so far :) [20:27]
mod6 ok good deal. thanks! let us know if the hashes match too plz. [20:27]
mod6 since I think I've got all the testing of V out of people who can on the beta patches, I'll probably push out v99995 tomorrow. [20:28]
mod6 last chance to test that beta_2 patch for V if you still want to do so. [20:28]
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pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2014/04/20/the-brokenness-of-maidsafe/#comment-40462 << the maidsafe pumpers are out in force this weekend. what is it a vaporware fool moon ? [20:34]
assbot The Brokenness of MaidSafe | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1R1RYRd ) [20:34]
pete_dushenski !s maidsafe [20:35]
assbot 98 results for 'maidsafe' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=maidsafe [20:35]
mircea_popescu that thing still exists ?! [20:35]
pete_dushenski lol not even ! it still doesn't ! [20:37]
pete_dushenski 'three weeks' (tm) (r) [20:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89750 @ 0.00056919 = 51.0848 BTC [+] {3} [20:37]
mircea_popescu lol [20:37]
pete_dushenski but stock is 'up' so everyone's a jumpin' and a jivin' and a takin' them there gurls out to the dance hall tonite ! [20:38]
pete_dushenski https://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_maid [20:40]
assbot Poloniex - Bitcoin/Cryptocurrency Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1R1So9Y ) [20:40]
BingoBoingo my beard is half white << I'm getting to the point that if I keep plucking the white ones out I'll have bald patches soon. [20:42]
mircea_popescu why the fuck would i pluck em, let 'em be. [20:43]
mircea_popescu they earned the right to be there! [20:43]
BingoBoingo When they were coming up in singles the looked out of place. [20:44]
BingoBoingo Seriously though no gray. Just skipped to a white somewhere between titanium oxide and potasium carbonate [20:46]
mircea_popescu lol [20:46]
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pete_dushenski so nasdaq.com bitches about 'we noticed your ad blocker is on and we kindly request that you turn it off to enhance your user experience'. this is how mpex won. this. [20:47]
BingoBoingo I guess I'll stop trying to fight the white hairs on Tuesday. [20:48]
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BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Why even bother with the ad blocker, just say no to javascript and the obnoxious ones die automagically [20:49]
pete_dushenski i suppose there's that too [20:50]
BingoBoingo Spam messages are intolerable, javascript is intolerable, but if a site wants to uglify itself with static images and such nbd [20:52]
BingoBoingo Not to mention many ad blockers are awfully wasteful of the cpu cycles themselves [20:52]
pete_dushenski http://www.unrisd.org/brett-scott << in which the united nations admits that bitcoin isn't for the poor (viz. africa) [20:53]
assbot How Can Cryptocurrency and Blockchain Technology Play a Role in Building Social and Solidarity Finance? | Events | UNRISD ... ( http://bit.ly/1R1TjqU ) [20:53]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: could you recommend a javascript blocker in particular ? using ff here [20:54]
jurov pete_dushenski: noscript [20:54]
BingoBoingo ^ [20:54]
pete_dushenski aha i think i used that one before... ty [20:54]
BingoBoingo Lets you turn them back on one by one so the rare gem that is helped by javascript works [20:54]
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BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Another great way to excise javascript is just giving up and using Dillo as a web browser. It's my favorite for traversing untrusted sites atm [20:57]
pete_dushenski i have 'lynxlet'. it's decent. [20:57]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78985 @ 0.00056662 = 44.7545 BTC [-] {3} [20:58]
BingoBoingo I don't see that browser in my /usr/ports folder [20:58]
thestringpuller BingoBoingo: But i mean compare to BitBet << Is there a ClassicCoin bet or just XT? It's like the BFL delivery bets now, but with scamcoins. [20:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30269 @ 0.00055526 = 16.8072 BTC [-] [20:59]
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pete_dushenski mod6: all my hashes on 99996k_2 match :) [21:00]
BingoBoingo thestringpuller: I've been folowing other bitbet's gotta check that for our enjoyment. Have doubts it would get approved without sizable zeroconf on 'yes' [21:00]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: "Lynxlet is an application for launching the text web browser Lynx in a Terminal window. Lynxlet is a Termlet - a class of applications designed to make Terminal based programs easy to use. " << Can't you just use... lynx??? [21:01]
BingoBoingo Why do you need a wrapper for lynx? [21:01]
pete_dushenski because reasons. [21:04]
pete_dushenski bbias. cooking steaks [21:04]
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thestringpuller because terminal too hard? [21:06]
BingoBoingo It still opens it in a terminal window apparently [21:06]
thestringpuller why not open terminal and type `lynx` ? [21:07]
mircea_popescu nasdaq.com lives off advertising now ? [21:10]
mircea_popescu good god. [21:10]
BingoBoingo Why wouldn't it [21:13]
BingoBoingo Vircurex has/had (not sure if still online) on all its pages [21:13]
mircea_popescu right, nasdaq, vircurex, whadda hell's the difference. [21:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28997 @ 0.00055526 = 16.1009 BTC [-] {2} [21:16]
BingoBoingo Probably a smaller number of offering on Nasdaq [21:16]
BingoBoingo vircurex was the one that listed itself on it's other hald [21:16]
BingoBoingo *half [21:16]
BingoBoingo ;;google the impossibility of investing on cryptostocks trilema [21:17]
gribble MPEx securities discussion thread - Bitcoin Talk: [21:17]
BingoBoingo ;;google site:trilema.com vircurex [21:17]
gribble [CRYPTOSTOCKS] Vircurex [VCX] - Going public - Bitcoin Talk: ; Why you can't invest with Cryptostocks on Trilema - A blog by Mircea ...: ; Security Comparison of Bitcoin-Denominated Instruments ...: [21:17]
BingoBoingo http://trilema.com/2013/why-you-cant-invest-with-cryptostocks/ << This is what I was looking for, exactly Nasdaq [21:18]
assbot Why you can't invest with Cryptostocks on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1QeDXSZ ) [21:18]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2603 @ 0.00055365 = 1.4412 BTC [-] [21:27]
mircea_popescu lol win. [21:32]
BingoBoingo Related classic http://trilema.com/2013/practical-refutations-for-the-feverishly-minded/ [21:41]
assbot Practical refutations for the feverishly minded on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1QeFcSb ) [21:41]
mircea_popescu ahahaha [21:41]
mircea_popescu god my titles. [21:41]
BingoBoingo Seriously [21:44]
mircea_popescu "The only thing that could devalue it, of course, is if I had a change of heart. I confess that I do, some mornings I wake up exhuberant and the ten million seems to me more like a billion soon." [21:44]
mircea_popescu fucking hell ? two years later... [21:44]
mircea_popescu i should enter the prophecy competition with that. where's randi when you needi. [21:44]
BingoBoingo Did it take that long? [21:44]
mircea_popescu this is 2013, that was2015 neh ? [21:44]
BingoBoingo Early 2014's when you were called a billionaire and saved openbsd [21:45]
BingoBoingo ;;google romanian billionaire saves [21:45]
gribble Romanian Billionaire Saves OpenBSD | Bingo Blog: ; Romanian Bitcoin Entrepreneur Steps In To Pay OpenBSD Shortfall ...: ; OpenBSD Project survived after $20,000 Donation from Romanian ...: (1 more message) [21:45]
mircea_popescu ah ok. so one year. [21:46]
BingoBoingo Give or take a month or so [21:47]
BingoBoingo May not have even taken the full year for Bitcoin price to peak [21:47]
mircea_popescu ahh, that was a great read. thanks bb :) [21:47]
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mircea_popescu so not only is my beard half white, but here i sit basking in the glory of the writings i used to write. such is old age! [21:51]
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BingoBoingo Seriously [21:52]
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BingoBoingo I imagine it can't be long before old mp writes commentaries on young mp's trilemas [21:58]
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pete_dushenski now that'd be some kinda talmud [22:00]
* asciilifeform back from maths library, opens book, finds letter 'to reader' circa 2001, inviting to talk to some long-gone prof merely for being interested in the text [22:00]
pete_dushenski i remember reading that 'billionaire saves...' piece back when i first started hanging out here and i recall thinking that mp being a 'billionaire' was some kinda troll [22:00]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1405244 << holy shit wut ?! [22:01]
assbot Logged on 13-02-2016 23:57:26; BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: "Lynxlet is an application for launching the text web browser Lynx in a Terminal window. Lynxlet is a Termlet - a class of applications designed to make Terminal based programs easy to use. " << Can't you just use... lynx??? [22:01]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: It's what came up when I googled pete's browser [22:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31100 @ 0.00056002 = 17.4166 BTC [-] {2} [22:02]
asciilifeform how does it 'easier' ?? [22:03]
BingoBoingo I have no idea [22:03]
BingoBoingo lynx http://urlthattakesyoutoaurlwith.porn and youtube-dl http://porno.graphy are the only prerequisites to abandoning graphical www [22:05]
BingoBoingo and launch perfectly fine in term window [22:05]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i have a harder time, on account of maths. [22:06]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Only because you have yet to ship cardano so you can fund moving maths literature to pornhub [22:07]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: move wut to wut ?! [22:07]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-02-2016#1405251 << no it lives of malware installations [22:07]
assbot Logged on 14-02-2016 00:06:48; mircea_popescu: nasdaq.com lives off advertising now ? [22:07]
asciilifeform *off [22:07]
asciilifeform thinkaboutit [22:07]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Instead of reading maths have pornography with the maths produced for your consumption [22:08]
asciilifeform keylogger on trader's box is monetizable. [22:08]
asciilifeform one of the few infections that still are. [22:08]
BingoBoingo so youtube-dl http://porno.graphy/watch/maths works [22:08]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: not all 'tastes go great together', imho. i don't eat cake in the shitter either [22:08]
mats i was reflecting earlier today on where the next great electronic heist will be [22:09]
mats seems to me the real estate industry is ripe for this [22:09]
mats so much data flows between brokers and firms without any kind of security at all [22:09]
asciilifeform mats: if it happens very close to the money printer, nobody will even notice. [22:09]
asciilifeform certainly not public. [22:09]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: You never know until you get the opportunity to try it. [22:10]
mats just wanted to put that prediction in the log, continue with your regularly scheduled programmes [22:11]
asciilifeform anyway this notion that plebes could steal serious money without official approval is lunacy. if $maxint grows legs, it is because lizards had a shadow payment to make, a la isis, and not because some uppity kid was rewarded for nietzschian 'will' or wtf else. [22:11]
mats reminds me of mp's `in theory doe could shit on any blade of grass it wanted' [22:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24990 @ 0.00056155 = 14.0331 BTC [+] {2} [22:18]
mircea_popescu * asciilifeform back from maths library, opens book, finds letter 'to reader' circa 2001, inviting to talk to some long-gone prof merely for being interested in the text << sad huh. [22:20]
asciilifeform aha! [22:20]
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mircea_popescu and in other "ustardia no es un pais pobre" news, i give you the campus of the future! http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7qhokzqOA1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg [22:22]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8Qtfr ) [22:22]
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danielpbarron https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H38b9rnv9Jk [23:55]
assbot Daughter Get Lucky - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8VzrP ) [23:55]
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