Forum logs for 12 Oct 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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BingoBoingo	https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6793	[00:38]
assbot	Bump minrelaytxfee default by laanwj · Pull Request #6793 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1K3lP4Q )	[00:38]
BingoBoingo	https://archive.is/nI0jE	[00:46]
assbot	800lb Steven Assanti is caught on camera harassing a nurse \| Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1MqUAHJ )	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	ustardian so far lost in this "telling your own story" pipe dream, can't even tell a story anymore.	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	where's the "and then i harassed some nurses" chapter in the man's own rendering of his saga ?	[00:48]
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BingoBoingo	Seriously	[00:55]
BingoBoingo	What they don't tell people about the pipe dream is what really goes through the pipe	[00:57]
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pete_dushenski	;;later tell ben_vulpes keep the blog posts acomin' please !	[01:02]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[01:02]
pete_dushenski	http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/10/10_supplys-down-demands-up-better-get-the-state-involved.html << particularly more like this	[01:02]
assbot	Supply's down, demand's up, better get the state involved! ... ( http://bit.ly/1MqVSCH )	[01:02]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296402 << calling them 'patients' gives me the creeps for some reason. maybe it's because i just read 'one flew over the cuckoo's nest' and have lobotomising mental hospitals on my mind..	[01:04]
assbot	Logged on 11-10-2015 20:07:23; asciilifeform: intimidation of chumps, as in 'lie detector', will take care of two thirds of the 'patients'	[01:04]
pete_dushenski	still haven't seen the movie with nicholson et al. but it's supposed to be a decent flick, if not the most accurate of transpositions	[01:06]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296418 << this identification issue is quite the hot button item in canadian federal politics atm, mostly surrounding the use of the niqab by new immigrants during citizenship swearing-in ceremonies.	[01:09]
assbot	Logged on 11-10-2015 20:09:50; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: fingerprints were 'debunked' in the 1900s	[01:09]
pete_dushenski	the commie pretty much hung himself last week in saying that he'd defend niqabists. the incumbent conservative told the pakis to pack their bags, essentially affirming that this is a christian country with christian values	[01:11]
pete_dushenski	i should say, 'one of the commies', there are two main commie parties in canada : 'new democratic party' and 'liberal party'	[01:12]
phf	pete_dushenski: i don't know how successful kesey was at capturing the mind of a schizophrenic, but he certainly was good at relaying an inner state of an acid head. the movie is something else entirely, but still great, since it's basically jack nicholson playing his only role at his best.	[01:12]
pete_dushenski	but harper (conservative incumbent) is essentially correct, so no huge shock that he's increased his lead in polls. it's his to lose and he hasn't tripped up yet. not bad after a decade in power, really.	[01:13]
pete_dushenski	phf: kesey definitely sells the acid angle.	[01:15]
pete_dushenski	and i'll take your word for it on nicholson. strangely, i've only seen him in 'batman', 'anger management', and 'the departed', which were all when he was older. past his prime clearly.	[01:16]
pete_dushenski	i guess batman was 1989 but god help me if i can remember that movie	[01:16]
pete_dushenski	i was but a wee lad.	[01:17]
phf	it's my favorite batman :) there's a word in russian, kapustnik, which is basically a movie or a festival, where a bunch of strong and famous performers get together to ham it up for fun	[01:18]
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phf	i rewatched it recently, and it's one of those movies that's awesome when you're 12, and then you see just how bad it is, when you're past your 20s	[01:20]
pete_dushenski	phf: seems like the majority of woody allen movies fall into the 'kapstnik' camp	[01:20]
pete_dushenski	kapustnik*	[01:20]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296449 << hehe zinga.	[01:21]
assbot	Logged on 11-10-2015 20:20:41; ben_vulpes: no, they won't do anything to anyone cheating emissions tests.	[01:21]
phf	oh that makes sense, i've never thought of his movies that way, but he'd obviously be familiar with the form, being konigsberg	[01:23]
pete_dushenski	aha	[01:24]
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pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296472 << this was the 'is it corn-free ?' article the other day.	[01:27]
assbot	Logged on 11-10-2015 21:21:42; mircea_popescu: folks familiar with usg 'scientocracy' will laugh, but the fact is, the mind-reading box does not necessarily have to... work. to be put in use. << right right. cholesterol is bad for you except its good for you and salt is bad except its good and hey, as long as they got "science" what difference does it make that they're 100% consensused on opposite things every 30 y	[01:27]
pete_dushenski	99% science-free prosecution ! guaranteed or your money back !	[01:28]
phf	but anyway nicholson in his early carrier basically has only one character, there's the pure form of that character in one flew..., there's the scary version in the shining and there's the funny version in the witches of eastwick, if you watch these three movies you'll be basically experience the entire nicholson acting range :>	[01:29]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296491 << children too.	[01:29]
assbot	Logged on 11-10-2015 21:48:18; kakobrekla: high expectations are problematic for any movie	[01:29]
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pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296487 << bahaha of course all the derps in newspapers and whatever else won't shut up about 'the martian' and how it's 'so wonderful' and 'just as good as the book' that they obviously haven't read.	[01:32]
assbot	Logged on 11-10-2015 21:42:49; phf: went to a movie theater to see The Martian. i only ever watch movies when in-wot recommend something enough, so i didn't realize how bad a movie can be, and this was one of the worst movies i've ever seen. snl "you can do anything" skit done with a straightface.. in space! but anyway, they've replaced all the regular rows, with reclining sits, and you can push the button for the sit to recline.	[01:32]
pete_dushenski	i had the same overhyped vibe from 'interstellar', which was pointedly atrocious.	[01:33]
pete_dushenski	maybe if you were completely unfamiliar with the scifi genre, such as it is (asimov, heinlein, clarke, etc.) then it might pass the sniff test. but good god did i find it offensively bad. just spoonfeeding the viewer like they were fresh out of the womb.	[01:35]
pete_dushenski	after 'interstellar', which i didn't even pay to see !, there's no way i'd see 'the martian', free or not.	[01:36]
pete_dushenski	that's MY 3 hours, goddamit.	[01:36]
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phf	same issue with the martian. a mix of obsessive askreddit style scientism with startrek handwaiving, lots of things explained through exposition dialogue, lots of feel good "america! nasa! feelings!". zero value as a movie. i mean, there's an underdog character who Figures It Out and then he can be a complete aspy to The Big Boss, because he's now recognized as an authority	[01:44]
pete_dushenski	ya sorta figured as much. if i wanted a propaganda movie i'd watch triumph des willens again.	[01:46]
pete_dushenski	but hey, showing hitler's 1935 classic wouldn't break box office records for the umpteenth billion time this year... or would it ?	[01:46]
phf	thing is, unless bad scifi movies, where you have plot, babes and action, this is clearly targeted at the new nerds. like agile consultants at web startups, who follow nasa twitter? ain't no way this nation ever getting to mars, is my conclusion from watching this movie.	[01:47]
phf	*unlike bad	[01:47]
pete_dushenski	the kind for whom a pilgrimage to mecca is visiting comic-con in california, yes	[01:49]
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pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1296628 << i loled	[01:51]
assbot	Logged on 12-10-2015 00:58:15; mircea_popescu: 'dlp' (mems array) with laser illumination. less than 1k usd when it was new. << un minimo respeto por el imbeciliator! argentina no es un pais pobre porque es rico en recursos umanos.	[01:51]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1296671 << /me waves at new neighbour	[01:59]
assbot	Logged on 12-10-2015 01:11:38; asciilifeform: say, 'i want to live only with folks who graduated with science degrees before 2010'	[01:59]
pete_dushenski	though why you'd want to specifically live next to the idjits like me too stubborn not to drop out, i dunno	[02:01]
pete_dushenski	i think selecting for science/engineering drop-outs (2+ years, not 1 week) would be more fruitful.	[02:02]
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pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1296688 << ok. we'll let philosophisers in too :P	[02:05]
assbot	Logged on 12-10-2015 01:15:03; mircea_popescu: only ppl with science degrees after 2010 ? my degree is fucking philosophy.	[02:05]
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pete_dushenski	http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/2015/10/09/the-devils-dictionary-of-post-crisis-finance/ << this is what passes for 'edgy' in fiat finance. grade : b-.	[02:09]
assbot	The Devil’s Dictionary of Post-Crisis Finance ... ( http://bit.ly/1LIZKzY )	[02:09]
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BingoBoingo	http://gomerblog.com/2014/12/em-physician/	[03:04]
assbot	45yo EM Physician Reflects Back Upon 4.0 GPA in College While Manually Disimpacting Patient \| GomerBlog ... ( http://bit.ly/1G88c9z )	[03:04]
pete_dushenski	Next he was handed a chart to begin assessing his next patient for a chief complaint of “left eyebrow pain for 10 minutes”." << lolz.	[03:08]
pete_dushenski	the joys of being in a servile profession.	[03:08]
pete_dushenski	http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/09/argentina-fake-weddings-falsa-boda << arhentina is, like, the saddest place on earth. seriously, world vision should do their next film shoot there.	[03:32]
assbot	I do ... not really: young Argentinians spurn real weddings for fake ones \| World news \| The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1G8aBRy )	[03:32]
pete_dushenski	"sham ceremonies offer unparalleled chances to meet new potential partners. “It’s easier to meet someone at a fake wedding,” says Boniface. “I’d walk up and introduce myself as a cousin of the groom, and the girls immediately fell into their role. It’s like a game everyone joins in.”" << no es un pais pobre, es un pais de jugadores !	[03:35]
pete_dushenski	coming to a norteamericano dance hall near you in 2025	[03:36]
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punkman	lol https://medium.com/eidolon/why-is-stoicism-having-a-cultural-moment-5f0e9963d560	[04:22]
assbot	Why is Stoicism Having a Cultural Moment? — EIDOLON — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAVrr1 )	[04:22]
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punkman	oh and they have an institute http://www.paideiainstitute.org/programs	[04:31]
assbot	The Paideia Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAWmHM )	[04:31]
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punkman	from fake wedding link: “It all started two years ago with a group of friends: we realized we hadn’t been to a wedding in a long time because hardly anybody is getting married anymore,” << and this was a problem that needed fixing????!!	[05:08]
punkman	"A typical “fake wedding” hosts about 600 or 700 paying guests" * $50 = $30k, say the venue charges $25 per head, that's a lot of pesos leftover	[05:17]
punkman	"Hired actors play the bride, groom and a surprise third party: a spurned lover or secret boyfriend who arrives “unexpectedly” – and with dramatic results."	[05:20]
punkman	I guess that's fun if you are into soaps	[05:21]
fluffypony	this sounds like a dumb version of those murder mystery dinners	[05:22]
punkman	I'd go if the theme was "rosemary's baby" or something	[05:22]
punkman	http://www.wsj.com/article_email/coming-soon-from-china-a-400-million-bonanza-for-u-s-startups-1444622462-lMyQjAxMTE1NTEwMjgxMjI2Wj	[05:28]
assbot	Coming Soon From China: A $400 Million Bonanza for U.S. Startups - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1MmMgV0 )	[05:28]
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punkman	"[$400m] will be doled out slowly, however, says Mr. Ravikant, so as not to overwhelm the market. In the first year, AngelList will disperse about $20 million of the money, ramping up to $50 million a year in subsequent years." and "on a recent trip to China, two different limited partners each offered him $500 million, but “we’re limited in how much capital we can absorb,”"	[05:29]
punkman	I don't understand this	[05:30]
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jurov	punkman imo the keyword is "burn rate"	[07:06]
punkman	jurov: but why did he turn down a billion from the chinese?	[07:09]
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deedbot-	[fr.anco.is] Les remittances en questions - http://fr.anco.is/2015/les-remittances-en-questions/	[07:18]
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trinque	deedbot-: feeds	[07:27]
deedbot-	Feeds:	[07:27]
deedbot-	1. http://trilema.com/feed/rss/	[07:27]
deedbot-	2. http://qntra.net/feed/	[07:27]
deedbot-	3. http://www.contravex.com/feed/rss	[07:27]
deedbot-	4. http://nosuchlabs.com/rss	[07:27]
deedbot-	5. https://bitbet.us/rss/betsbetsbig/	[07:27]
deedbot-	6. http://explo.yt/feed/rss2	[07:27]
deedbot-	7. http://fr.anco.is/feed/	[07:27]
deedbot-	8. http://www.btcalpha.com/feed/	[07:27]
danielpbarron	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1296772 << for a movie it's alright, but not such a great transposition; the whole thing about "the combine" is omitted	[07:30]
assbot	Logged on 12-10-2015 04:06:28; pete_dushenski: still haven't seen the movie with nicholson et al. but it's supposed to be a decent flick, if not the most accurate of transpositions	[07:30]
trinque	ah there it is	[07:32]
trinque	deedbot-: feeds add http://cascadianhacker.com/index.xml	[07:32]
deedbot-	http://cascadianhacker.com/index.xml added.	[07:32]
assbot	cascadian hacker ... ( http://bit.ly/1G4Aima )	[07:32]
deedbot-	[cascadian hacker] just another day in sunny cascadia - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/05/26_just-another-day-in-sunny-cascadia.html	[07:34]
deedbot-	[cascadian hacker] adult breakfast-for-dinner - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/05/27_adult-breakfast-for-dinner.html	[07:34]
deedbot-	[cascadian hacker] a tour of bitcoind booting to its first thread - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/06/21_a-tour-of-bitcoind-booting-to-its-first-thread.html	[07:34]
deedbot-	[cascadian hacker] excising DNS lookups from bitcoind: asciilifeform's patches - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/06/21_excising-dns-lookups-from-bitcoind-asciilifeforms-patches.html	[07:34]
deedbot-	[cascadian hacker] Supply's down, demand's up, better get the state involved! - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/10/10_supplys-down-demands-up-better-get-the-state-involved.html	[07:34]
deedbot-	[cascadian hacker] dakota french toast, fried bananas and salad - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/10/11_dakota-french-toast-fried-bananas-and-salad.html	[07:34]
danielpbarron	I don't know about this "acting range" of nicholson, but Chinatown is a great film staring him	[07:37]
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punkman	http://www.strategicvoting.ca/	[08:58]
assbot	Strategic Voting 2015 Canadian Federal Election \| don’t make a statement, make a difference ... ( http://bit.ly/1K3XQ5y )	[08:58]
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*	mircea_popescu goes to check out ba log, types lol. is surprised nothing comes up. fixes to log. gets the log.	[09:34]
mircea_popescu	apparently my brain decided to cut to the chase, what "log", you're clearly going for the day's lols!	[09:35]
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jurov	punkman: they are aiming for certain burn rate extent. anything below and above it won't cut it	[09:42]
jurov	i learned that thanks to reptilia and his sauna conference :D	[09:43]
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mircea_popescu	o you were there ?	[10:12]
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jurov	nooo, only read the fallout	[10:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 176812 @ 0.00048338 = 85.4674 BTC [+] {4}	[10:41]
mircea_popescu	ah	[10:45]
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hdbuck	good day mircea_popescu	[11:07]
mircea_popescu	hey	[11:07]
hdbuck	i’ve been researching mpex stocks, through btc-alpha mostly and mpex, but the informations seems divergent as per the divs distributed	[11:09]
jurov	yes, mircea himself has problems sometimes :)	[11:10]
hdbuck	why woudl the info on mpex says 132.98367617 BTC on 18-09-15//Per share: 26 satoshi. but the latest monthly statement says Profit : 274.20932881 BTC	[11:11]
hdbuck	maybe i missed something	[11:11]
mike_c	not all the shares are on mpex	[11:12]
mike_c	so not all the profit is distributed there as dividends	[11:12]
hdbuck	what is the ratio then?	[11:12]
mike_c	depends on the stock	[11:12]
thestringpuller	for mpex it's 1 bn - some_public_number here	[11:14]
thestringpuller	in terms of shares	[11:14]
thestringpuller	mpoe has 1 bn total shares	[11:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00048689 = 2.8483 BTC [+]	[11:14]
hdbuck	ah i see, any chance you would update them on btc-alpha? also volumes would be appreciated.	[11:15]
mike_c	update what?	[11:15]
mike_c	for mpex it's 50/50.	[11:16]
hdbuck	ok	[11:16]
mike_c	what were you asking me to update on btcalpha?	[11:17]
thestringpuller	it's 50:50 already?	[11:17]
thestringpuller	the plan is almost complete...	[11:17]
hdbuck	the ratio of mpex shares that get divs	[11:17]
mike_c	they all get divs :)	[11:17]
mike_c	see, half of s.mpoe shares are on mpex, so dividends are paid there.	[11:18]
mike_c	the other half are not on mpex, and the dividends are paid elsewhere.	[11:18]
thestringpuller	i didn't realize 500 mn shares were public	[11:18]
thestringpuller	"public owned"	[11:18]
hdbuck	i see, so the other half being hold by mp right?	[11:18]
mike_c	they aren't. mircea has a mpex account too	[11:18]
thestringpuller	mike_c: guess I have to add up the shares sold by owner based on trilema	[11:19]
mike_c	the other half held by mp in case of mpex, yes	[11:19]
hdbuck	alright, thank you	[11:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118041 @ 0.00048716 = 57.5049 BTC [+] {3}	[11:19]
hdbuck	also, as i understand trading via irc allows mpex to be more resilient, woudltn it be nice tho to make a more user friendly website for, say more advertizing > traffic > trades > revenues ?	[11:21]
mike_c	that's what coinbr is for	[11:21]
mike_c	talk to jurov if you don't like the logo	[11:21]
hdbuck	yes, i just created an account there, but i mean, i’d personally argue it lacks some charts, no offense tho.	[11:22]
thestringpuller	hdbuck: that's why btcalpha mpex tools exists for atm?	[11:22]
thestringpuller	mike_c: put the best charts up there	[11:23]
hdbuck	thestringpuller yes sure, i understand, i’d still value some trade volumes to estimate the liquidity of the stocks there	[11:24]
mike_c	i could add volumes	[11:24]
mike_c	i'll add it to the todo list	[11:24]
hdbuck	thx ::)	[11:24]
hdbuck	anyway, been a long time since i lurked, i think you guys are quite outsmarting the corporatist wannabes, and i like the sorta outraging honesty approach. so thanks.	[11:28]
thestringpuller	hdbuck: didn't you contribute to qntra tho?	[11:28]
thestringpuller	http://qntra.net/author/hdbuck/	[11:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58200 @ 0.00048676 = 28.3294 BTC [-]	[11:31]
hdbuck	thestringpuller yes very humbly	[11:34]
hdbuck	and with the assistance of bingoboingo :)	[11:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00048676 = 5.0623 BTC [-]	[11:35]
mircea_popescu	maybe i missed something << only half the shares get actually traded.	[11:37]
mircea_popescu	see teh contracts.	[11:37]
hdbuck	mircea_popescu got it, ty, while im still at it, maybe you could enlighten me as therealbtf client.. how am i supposed to make it work?	[11:38]
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mircea_popescu	well specifically what problem are you running into ?	[11:40]
hdbuck	well, im not even sure where to start with ^^	[11:43]
thestringpuller	rotor pretty much builds the static on anything...	[11:43]
mircea_popescu	you should probably start with the mailing list.	[11:43]
mircea_popescu	;;google the real bitcoin foundation	[11:44]
gribble	The Bitcoin Foundation: ; The truth about the Bitcoin Foundation - General - Bitcoin Foundation: ; Bitcoin Foundation News - CoinDesk:	[11:44]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[11:44]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1296777 << i thought that was in "as good as it gets".	[11:45]
assbot	Logged on 12-10-2015 04:12:18; phf: pete_dushenski: i don't know how successful kesey was at capturing the mind of a schizophrenic, but he certainly was good at relaying an inner state of an acid head. the movie is something else entirely, but still great, since it's basically jack nicholson playing his only role at his best.	[11:45]
mircea_popescu	tho he does a lot of these "actual old/wounded male interacting with fucktarded us women" things.	[11:46]
mircea_popescu	i forgot what the one is where he fucks a woman's twennysomething daughter and then ends up marring the woman.	[11:46]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1296786 << minus the strong actors. what, b lister mia farrow ?	[11:50]
assbot	Logged on 12-10-2015 04:20:24; pete_dushenski: phf: seems like the majority of woody allen movies fall into the 'kapstnik' camp	[11:50]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1296797 << actually, you ever saw http://trilema.com/2015/young-frankenstein/#selection-31.40-35.15 ?	[11:51]
assbot	Logged on 12-10-2015 04:29:18; phf: but anyway nicholson in his early carrier basically has only one character, there's the pure form of that character in one flew..., there's the scary version in the shining and there's the funny version in the witches of eastwick, if you watch these three movies you'll be basically experience the entire nicholson acting range :>	[11:51]
assbot	Young Frankenstein on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lgx3ou )	[11:51]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1296806 << nobody cancelled walking out	[11:53]
assbot	Logged on 12-10-2015 04:35:59; pete_dushenski: that's MY 3 hours, goddamit.	[11:53]
*	mircea_popescu has to date walked out on > 80% of performances in buenos aires, of all kinds.	[11:53]
mircea_popescu	and the ones where i stayed it was mostly because table and alcohol.	[11:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33100 @ 0.00048902 = 16.1866 BTC [+]	[11:54]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1296819 << google did that for a decade. it worked.	[11:55]
assbot	Logged on 12-10-2015 05:02:06; pete_dushenski: i think selecting for science/engineering drop-outs (2+ years, not 1 week) would be more fruitful.	[11:55]
mircea_popescu	for a decade.	[11:55]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1296821 << that's not the problem, i don't need you to let me in. the problem is that you don't have the means to distinguish between one "humanities" and another humanities. that's the fucking problem. you can sort out a bad engineer in all of five minutes, just ask pointed questions.	[11:56]
assbot	Logged on 12-10-2015 05:05:08; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1296688 << ok. we'll let philosophisers in too :P	[11:56]
mircea_popescu	but do you let lacan in ?	[11:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00048947 = 17.0825 BTC [+] {3}	[11:57]
deedbot-	[Trilema] So... is it a virus ? - http://trilema.com/2015/so-is-it-a-virus/	[11:57]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1296834 << eh this is a thing in romania/eastern europe too. they do a summer festival over in the student quarter, let kids marry for a day.	[12:00]
assbot	Logged on 12-10-2015 06:35:13; pete_dushenski: "sham ceremonies offer unparalleled chances to meet new potential partners. “It’s easier to meet someone at a fake wedding,” says Boniface. “I’d walk up and introduce myself as a cousin of the groom, and the girls immediately fell into their role. It’s like a game everyone joins in.”" << no es un pais pobre, es un pais de jugadores !	[12:00]
mircea_popescu	it's a european festival thing with ancient tradition, if you will.	[12:00]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1296856 << china likes us start-up culture and its effects. "never interrupt enemy when making a mistake". traditionally you wouldn't have the gall to pointedly help him, either, but i think mr xi correctly inferred ustardian head too far up ass to even notice.	[12:02]
assbot	Logged on 12-10-2015 08:29:48; punkman: I don't understand this	[12:02]
mircea_popescu	"The power is traded for the fetish of power. That's not capitalism, it is madness, and apparently Davos and Randi think women especially will heart it. "	[12:03]
mircea_popescu	seems the two parties are finding an amiable solution. win-win as they say : china is more than happy to own the ground, and us is more than happy to continue pretending indefinitely.	[12:03]
mircea_popescu	this is practically rome conquering greece. tho im kinda curious to see if the us actually has in it anything OTHER than byzantium.	[12:04]
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mircea_popescu	"The final piece of the puzzle is a bonkers fiscal environment driving capital misallocation on a scale that tiny shot-pulling brains simply cannot wrap themselves around. Take Adam, Bill, and Charlie: three young men who all attended Harvard together, and went into finance seperately."	[12:08]
mircea_popescu	me likes the way ben_vulpes's stylistics is distilling itself over time.	[12:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21810 @ 0.00048676 = 10.6162 BTC [-]	[12:16]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes how much DO tickets actually cost ?	[12:36]
mircea_popescu	(thing is amusingly reminescent of how various people keep asking me what i pay in rent and expect a number. as if that's how it fucking works, somehow.)	[12:36]
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mircea_popescu	so i started on that medium article, by the 2nd paragraph i was skimming, by the 8th or so i bailed. i guess not the demo.	[12:51]
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mircea_popescu	"However, not all women are the target demo of Randi's lip synching, the CEO of General Dynamics is a woman, I think she has a higher security clearance than the entire Senate, and I know for a fact she builds alien spaceships, why not interview her about how she uses social media to promote her brand and make connections and break ceilings? Because there's no Like button for hard work or triple integrals, which is do	[13:18]
mircea_popescu	ubly interesting because calculus was invented to make hard work easier."	[13:18]
mircea_popescu	fucking ballas. he's like this crazy drug addled chick you knew when you were a teen and STILL catch up with occasionally because hot damn...	[13:18]
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ben_vulpes	!up ascii_field	[13:23]
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mircea_popescu	!up ascii_field	[13:24]
-assbot-	You voiced ascii_field for another 30 minutes.	[13:24]
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ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: how is rent not a scalar?	[13:24]
mircea_popescu	retail is for suckers.	[13:24]
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mircea_popescu	" I'll grant that there is some level of bonding that occurs between women over baby pictures, worth exploring later, but not for men: men will only (and rarely) show photos of their children doing something, the activity is what represents the kid as kid and them as a parent. Showing a man a baby picture is equivalent to showing a woman a picture of his car. "A #baby is more important than a car, dontcha think?" Ye	[13:25]
mircea_popescu	s, but a picture of a baby isn't more important than a picture of a car. "Yeah, but--" I know. Logic is mean. "	[13:25]
mircea_popescu	lalala.	[13:25]
ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1297013 << now we know that mircea_popescu pays in vector.	[13:35]
assbot	Logged on 12-10-2015 15:36:41; mircea_popescu: (thing is amusingly reminescent of how various people keep asking me what i pay in rent and expect a number. as if that's how it fucking works, somehow.)	[13:35]
ascii_field	(tensor?!)	[13:35]
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mircea_popescu	haha. fingers in doorway is a tensor right ?	[13:41]
ascii_field	!s tenser, said the tensor	[13:44]
assbot	1 results for 'tenser, said the tensor' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tenser%2C+said+the+tensor	[13:44]
phf	"how do i put it in the terms you understand? an apartment for $300 a month. -- whoa! how do i get that? -- sure, so 5 apartments in this building, 7 year contract, i'll give you a 25% discount, that'll be $94.5k. my secretary will give your secretary ach routing details."	[13:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00048676 = 8.1289 BTC [-]	[13:49]
ascii_field	i hear it's even cheaper if you inherit it...	[13:49]
mircea_popescu	or, as it more often the case "you know, i still owe you on that grain deal. if only you actually wanted any of the shit i have." "well actually i'm moving to argentina" "omfg yes. would you like an apartment ?"	[13:50]
mircea_popescu	now go, compute the cost of rent. as a scalar.	[13:50]
mircea_popescu	by the time you're done alf will have done his routing by hand.	[13:51]
ascii_field	just like computing stalin's rent.	[13:51]
mircea_popescu	that'd be more like imputing.	[13:51]
mircea_popescu	incidentallty, this is why "corruption" aka elite networks are both a needed as well as an efficient control on capitalism.	[13:52]
mircea_popescu	by making the mathematical approach to many pricing problems unfeasible, they prevent undesirable mechanization.	[13:53]
ascii_field	why (at least in this case) undesirable ?	[13:53]
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mircea_popescu	unintentionally and approximately, by sheer accident, providing the effect of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1296575	[13:54]
assbot	Logged on 12-10-2015 00:33:45; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296518 << yes!!	[13:54]
mircea_popescu	otherwise derps will go right on into the swamp of mechanised trust / resource allocation / doom on a stick.	[13:55]
asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[13:55]
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ascii_field	by this logic, mircea_popescu oughta love the soviet system	[13:55]
ascii_field	where nothing of any value or import was 'retail-mechanized'	[13:55]
mircea_popescu	i loved the soviet system except for the parts where it deeply misunderstood elite.	[13:55]
ascii_field	(want a set of tyres? have a good phriend)	[13:56]
mircea_popescu	a bunch of peasants are not it.	[13:56]
mircea_popescu	fuckin jeffersonian that "anticapitalist" utopia.	[13:56]
ascii_field	and here i thought mircea_popescu believed in 'who is in the elite seat, is the elite'	[13:56]
mircea_popescu	no qualms with that. and he who is in the driver seat is the driver. excuse me while i don't stick around with sweving cars.	[13:57]
mircea_popescu	also importantly, "by making the mathematical approach to many pricing problems unfeasible". MANY. not all. not "set of tyres" necessarily.	[13:58]
ascii_field	so why this, and not that?	[13:58]
mircea_popescu	why the pubkeys, not the files ?	[13:58]
mircea_popescu	BECAUSE WE SAY SO	[13:58]
mircea_popescu	a design decision is arbitrary by definition.	[13:58]
ascii_field	i'm prepared to explain re: the pubkeys, it is really very simple	[13:58]
mircea_popescu	why do i look at a woman's ass ? ask me that, go in the corner on knees on rice.	[13:58]
mircea_popescu	go for it.	[13:58]
ascii_field	because they are the root of the trust circuit	[13:59]
mircea_popescu	lmao.	[13:59]
mircea_popescu	you didn't like logic in school or something ?	[13:59]
ascii_field	hm?	[13:59]
mircea_popescu	"why are you looking at woman's ass ?" "because it is in the middle of my interest."	[13:59]
ascii_field	hey i took tautology 400	[13:59]
ascii_field	l0l	[13:59]
mircea_popescu	WHY is it the root! what the fuck is this, the game of calling things things ?	[13:59]
ascii_field	anyway prolly ought to have called it 'axiomatic'	[14:00]
ascii_field	as in, having the proper pubkeys makes everything else non-spoofable	[14:00]
ascii_field	but there is no mechanical means of establishing that you have them.	[14:00]
mircea_popescu	axiomatic is, by definition, arbitrary.	[14:00]
mircea_popescu	which is exactly what i said eh.	[14:00]
ascii_field	not entirely arbitrary	[14:01]
mircea_popescu	what's your problem with arbitrariety anyway.	[14:01]
ascii_field	some axioms give you euclid, others - timecube.	[14:01]
mircea_popescu	sure.	[14:01]
ascii_field	i only have a problem with timecube	[14:01]
ascii_field	not with euclid.	[14:01]
ascii_field	(and, by extension, with the notion that they are equivalent)	[14:01]
mircea_popescu	yeah yeah, i like dating but hate crazy bitches. sure.	[14:01]
mircea_popescu	and to some degree i can tell in advance.	[14:02]
mircea_popescu	but this is not a formal process, and so...	[14:02]
mircea_popescu	they ARE equivalent. a picture of a car IS equivalent to a picture of a slut even if a car and a slut are not equivalent. axioms are just that, axioms. arbitrary statements for no reason with no cause.	[14:03]
ascii_field	except 'no cause' is not correct.	[14:03]
mircea_popescu	in so being, they also become a descriptor of your worth as a being. there's no good reason to pick any set nor a good method to find out which to pick.	[14:04]
mircea_popescu	yes it is.	[14:04]
ascii_field	because we discard, or emplace, axioms, based on whether we get timecube or skyscraper.	[14:04]
mircea_popescu	except we have no idea.	[14:04]
mircea_popescu	if we did, we could mechanize it.	[14:04]
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mircea_popescu	for that matter, i can make a summary statement of calculus that reads exactly like timecube for the first half. after which it starts falling into place.	[14:06]
mircea_popescu	heck, it's practically done already, newton raves madly for most of the lenght.	[14:07]
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ascii_field	;;later tell mats http://binaryguard.com/bgc/malware/2015/10/09/deobfuscating_shifu.html	[14:12]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[14:12]
assbot	Deobfuscating Shifu ... ( http://bit.ly/1WXs0AJ )	[14:12]
ascii_field	^ any to any other reversers or aspiring reversers.	[14:12]
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mircea_popescu	" Is there a natural economic equilibrium price where, say, a U Chicago grad can do no economically productive work at all but still be paid to use Instagram? Let me be explicit: my question is not should we do this, my question is that since this is precisely what's happening already, is it sustainable? What is the cost? I don't have to run the numbers, someone already has: it's $150/mo for a college grads, i.e. t	[14:16]
mircea_popescu	he price of food stamps. Other correct responses would be $700/mo for "some high school" (SSI) or $1500/mo for "previous work experience" (unemployment). I would have accepted $2000/mo for "minorities" (jail) for partial credit."	[14:16]
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ascii_field	'Here's the other side's example: when they talk about raising taxes on the rich, why do they pick a "low" point and push it higher? Should the highest rates be at $250k/yr? $300k? Another way of doing it, which is precisely why they cannot do it, is start at the top and move down. "We need $1T. Ok, top five guys pay 90%. Not enough? How about top ten guys pay 90%. Not enough? Top...." I'm not advocating this or	[14:24]
ascii_field	any other policy, not my place, I am pointing out that doing it the way it's done protects the 1% by letting the Aspirational 14%-- who crave recognition and are easily identifiable and hatable because they are poseurs, just of a different kind-- act as human shields. They take the bullets, the unknown mega-rich take tinted window rides to the Hamptons.'	[14:24]
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-assbot-	You voiced AusteritySucks for 30 minutes.	[16:15]
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jurov	^^^ where are the quotations from?	[16:38]
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ascii_field	jurov: from tlp	[16:39]
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mircea_popescu	jurov http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/11/hipsters_on_food_stamps_part_2.html	[16:53]
assbot	The Last Psychiatrist: Hipsters On Food Stamps, Part 2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1hAVW5Y )	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	if you meant the last one.	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	the others are from http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2014/01/randi_zuckerberg.html	[16:53]
assbot	The Last Psychiatrist: Randi Zuckerberg Thinks We Should Untangle Our Wired Lives ... ( http://bit.ly/1IeLRBJ )	[16:53]
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jurov	thx	[17:07]
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deedbot-	[Trilema] Baires - http://trilema.com/2015/baires/	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	"If this seems implausible to you, which it must-- that's exactly the point of it-- consider the following extreme analogy, which surprisingly will be easier to understand, which is also the whole point: Say your father raped you repeatedly for a decade. Hold on, slow down, it gets worse: now you're 40, and he shows up asking you for $2400 because, and I quote, "you have a responsibility to take care of me." There h	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	e is in your living room, eyeballing the nice things in your home. If it is a fact that you will inevitably give him the money, is it easier to for you to pair it with your venom or your sympathy? Though it's enraging, there is a perverse pleasure in giving that bastard the money. It tells you that you showed him that you are better than him."	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	to keep it up.	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	but for the record, this "perverse pleasure" is strictly a ustardian thing.	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	unknown to humans.	[17:11]
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ascii_field	mircea_popescu: that was one of the times when i thought 'wtf is this'	[17:12]
ascii_field	error: insufficient lsd	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	he has a point, tho. they actually DO this.	[17:12]
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mircea_popescu	it's a fruit off the same bizarro tree of their sexuality.	[17:12]
ascii_field	would this be something like a 1-man version of human wave attack?	[17:12]
ascii_field	'choke on my corpse!'	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	(to bother americans, play porn over dinner.)	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	amusingly, even the people who claim not to watch tv.	[17:13]
ascii_field	what would happen? cpu overheats from attempting gluttony and lust at same time ?	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	well they can't eat.	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	too busy pretending something or the other, as the case may be.	[17:13]
ascii_field	tlp's usa exists. but i am stuck reading about it in the fishwrap.	[17:20]
ascii_field	because i do not personally walk around in it.	[17:20]
ascii_field	usa != california!	[17:21]
ascii_field	not everyone is 'ironic hipster' or has ever seen one outside of pictures.	[17:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.0004897 = 7.7373 BTC [+] {2}	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	how's that related ?	[17:23]
ascii_field	this re: the 'busy pretending'	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	tbh i think his grasp of the fargo demographic is much better than his grasp of cali.	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	hahaha. no.	[17:23]
shinohai	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1297118 <<< best thing I have read in over a week.	[17:26]
assbot	Logged on 12-10-2015 19:53:09; mircea_popescu: jurov http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/11/hipsters_on_food_stamps_part_2.html	[17:26]
mircea_popescu	whole site's worth a read imo.	[17:26]
shinohai	I liked the writing style, I bookmarked for future reading thanx!	[17:27]
mircea_popescu	"You might think that the rage is the spark for a transformation of America, a full scale Dagny Taggart meltdown or Bolshevik revolution, depending on your hat. That's not how it works. If this is narcissism, then its purpose is protecting identity, defending against change. Doesn't matter what side you think you're on, unless you are unplugged you are for the status quo."	[17:28]
mircea_popescu	mmmmmyeah.	[17:28]
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shinohai	http://coinjournal.net/streamium-developers-many-news-articles-about-argentina-and-bitcoin-are-totally-not-true/	[17:47]
assbot	Streamium : Articles About Argentina and Bitcoin aren't true ... ( http://bit.ly/1VOITvh )	[17:47]
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shinohai	mircea_popescu gets mentioned for a year-old article?	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	i do ?	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	too lazy to check, writing.	[17:49]
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shinohai	"It should be noted that Longtime Bitcoin Entrepreneur Mircea Popescu also shared his own account of Bitcoin adoption in Argentina roughly a year ago. His full teardown of the idea that Bitcoin is taking off in Argentina can be read on his blog."	[17:51]
shinohai	(Links to blog post)	[17:51]
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ascii_field	same site also hosts marvels like 'A New Block Size Increase BIP is Planned for the ‘Rough Consensus’ from Montreal' and 'The Josh Garza Interview: Organized Crime, Threats and Is He In America?'	[17:54]
shinohai	Never said we had Pulitzer-prize winning journalism here.	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	o hey.	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	who is this ?	[17:57]
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deedbot-	[Qntra] Trouble Hits Purse.io Customers - http://qntra.net/2015/10/trouble-hits-purse-io-customers/	[18:12]
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BingoBoingo	In other news https://archive.is/ehmT7	[18:15]
assbot	The news wants to do a story on the $500 computer Bitcoin lock hack. Does anyone know anyone affected by this? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1G24DlG )	[18:15]
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deedbot-	[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] D3C3N7R4L1S3 4LL 7H3 7H1NGZ! Except for these ones. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/10/12/d3c3n7r4l1s3-4ll-7h3-7h1ngz-except-for-these-ones/	[18:30]
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pete_dushenski	http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/10/12/clojure-if-lisp-is-so-great-why-do-we-keep-needing-new-variants/ << i'll just leave this here. i expect the comments will prove entertaining for the lispers here	[18:36]
assbot	Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Clojure: If Lisp is so great, why do we keep needing new variants? ... ( http://bit.ly/1G28MpE )	[18:36]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1297000 << o.O mp has representation on facebook. nuts.	[18:37]
assbot	Logged on 12-10-2015 14:57:39; deedbot-: [Trilema] So... is it a virus ? - http://trilema.com/2015/so-is-it-a-virus/	[18:37]
pete_dushenski	also, hanbot makes an excellent point that pi is widely know to at least 8 decimal places afaik	[18:39]
ascii_field	15.	[18:39]
pete_dushenski	mostly because of 9-digit calculators (basic ones)	[18:39]
ascii_field	!s how i need a drink alcoholic of course	[18:39]
assbot	1 results for 'how i need a drink alcoholic of course' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=how+i+need+a+drink+alcoholic+of+course	[18:39]
ascii_field	^ 15.	[18:39]
ascii_field	(everyone with even a passing interest in mnemonics, at least in the english world, knows this one)	[18:40]
pete_dushenski	aha nifty	[18:40]
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pete_dushenski	i'll be sure to teach this one at 'ben+pete's skool'	[18:41]
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pete_dushenski	heya nubbins`	[18:43]
pete_dushenski	happy canuckian thanksgiving eh	[18:43]
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deedbot-	[Trilema] You already had what you think you want and can't get. - http://trilema.com/2015/you-already-had-what-you-think-you-want-and-cant-get/	[18:44]
pete_dushenski	not happy about this shopping adventure. but i guess i'm not as rich as i thought i was.	[18:45]
pete_dushenski	house isn't multiple hundreds of square metres on multiple floors.	[18:45]
ascii_field	pete_dushenski: line the door with acoustic cork.	[18:45]
ascii_field	will cost < 100 usd	[18:46]
*	pete_dushenski looks into this !	[18:46]
ascii_field	vendors which supply musical studios will have this.	[18:46]
pete_dushenski	ascii_field: you don't know how tickled this idea has me :)	[18:47]
ascii_field	pete_dushenski: you can get 19-inch racks lined with cork, with acoustic baffles for the exhaust (think auto muffler or pistol silencer)	[18:48]
ascii_field	all of this is commercial sop.	[18:48]
ascii_field	cheaper than new building.	[18:48]
nubbins`	hi	[18:49]
pete_dushenski	and less depressing than giving up model m for some 'das keyboard'	[18:49]
nubbins`	is it thanksgiving today?	[18:49]
nubbins`	i can't keep track. we had turkey yesterday	[18:49]
ascii_field	welcome back nubbins`	[18:50]
nubbins`	ty	[18:50]
nubbins`	busy times	[18:50]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.mercurynews.com/california/ci_24965603/silicon-valley-sees-shortage-ev-charge-stations	[18:50]
assbot	Silicon Valley sees shortage of EV charge stations - San Jose Mercury News ... ( http://bit.ly/1G2aQ0X )	[18:50]
pete_dushenski	!up ascii_field	[18:50]
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nubbins`	pete_dushenski voted yet?	[18:50]
pete_dushenski	lol right. like that's gonna happen.	[18:51]
nubbins`	XD	[18:51]
pete_dushenski	i'd sooner gamble on the outcome than show up to the booth	[18:51]
nubbins`	green party can't win without people like you	[18:51]
nubbins`	i hit up the advance polls	[18:51]
pete_dushenski	sounds like the green party needs me more than i need them	[18:51]
nubbins`	ah, yep, that's accurate	[18:52]
BingoBoingo	http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_24947237/too-many-electric-cars-not-enough-workplace-chargers	[18:52]
assbot	'Charge rage': Too many electric cars, not enough workplace chargers - San Jose Mercury News ... ( http://bit.ly/1G2b9IY )	[18:52]
nubbins`	pete_dushenski: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mask-face-covering-voting-1.3266109	[18:53]
assbot	Mummers, potato sacks and clown masks: Why people are voting in silly face coverings - Politics - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1G2bhs9 )	[18:53]
nubbins`	mega-lel	[18:53]
nubbins`	smth tells me BingoBoingo would find humour in this also	[18:54]
ascii_field	BingoBoingo: i almost expect there to appear some idiot rob-peter-pay-paul scheme where plebes' petrol cars have to spin wheels on a treadmill to charge some eloi's 'tesla', in lieu of parking fee, or the like	[18:54]
pete_dushenski	nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1296773	[18:54]
assbot	Logged on 12-10-2015 04:09:35; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296418 << this identification issue is quite the hot button item in canadian federal politics atm, mostly surrounding the use of the niqab by new immigrants during citizenship swearing-in ceremonies.	[18:54]
BingoBoingo	ascii_field: Not unimaginable	[18:55]
pete_dushenski	ascii_field: that's basically 'vw emissions test protocol'	[18:56]
BingoBoingo	"I needed to be somewhere by 6 p.m., and all of the active chargers were full. I couldn't plug in all day," he said. "There was a Volt that appeared to be finished charging, so I unplugged it so I could get a half-hour boost. The Volt isn't pure electric -- it also has a gasoline engine. The next day, I learned that the Volt owner was furious, and he sent out this email blast saying that I stole his charge. It was awful."	[18:56]
pete_dushenski	nubbins`: lulzy tho. never head of 'mummers' before.	[18:56]
ascii_field	it sounds batshit, to an engineer, say, but logically follows from 'easy to steal == phree!!!' formula.	[18:56]
BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: Mummer is a kinda Mardi Gras thing	[18:56]
pete_dushenski	"Keefe had to leave his 'ugly stick' at the door. The homemade musical instrument is popular in mummer tradition. (Courtesy of Jon Keefe)" << nubbins`! you're famous !	[18:57]
deedbot-	[fr.anco.is] Why GPG subkeys must die - http://fr.anco.is/2015/why-gpg-subkeys-must-die/	[18:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00048583 = 9.3279 BTC [-] {2}	[18:58]
pete_dushenski	davout: "According to Schneier it costed ~$3mn in 2012 to find an arbitrary SHA1 collision." << cost	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	ahh it;'s an email bonanza.	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	i mean blog posts	[18:59]
pete_dushenski	i think a fire's been lit	[18:59]
nubbins`	pete_dushenski inorite?	[18:59]
jurov	yes. and was the problem tackled that i'm apparently expected to have one key for next 40+ years?	[19:00]
nubbins`	the point that i shouldn't have to expose my body to some random gov employee in order to exercise my charter rights was lost on many	[19:00]
pete_dushenski	davout: also sha2 != sha256	[19:01]
pete_dushenski	jurov: why one key ? can't you make new key just before current one expires and sign old key over to new key ?	[19:02]
ascii_field	jurov: iirc there was a thread - http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=14-05-2015#1132369	[19:02]
assbot	Logged on 14-05-2015 21:32:19; mircea_popescu: if you can upgrade your key for free, you don't have to pay mpex, you can just find someone with a key they don't want to use anymore and they can "upgrade" theirs to yours.	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	jurov you're also expected to have the same penis for the next40+ years.	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	tackled that one ?	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	but yes, as alf describes, you can move them over.	[19:03]
jurov	yes, my penis looks substantially differently than 2y ago	[19:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13515 @ 0.00048507 = 6.5557 BTC [-]	[19:03]
jurov	not usable for identification	[19:03]
pete_dushenski	nubbins`: aha. 'rights'	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	well not for identification, but still, suable for what it's used for.	[19:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4865 @ 0.0004843 = 2.3561 BTC [-] {2}	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	i suppose the elephant in the room sort of point we've been avoiding is this :	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	that given the known weaknesses of the pgp protocol as it is, the only responsible manner of using it is to include an index in every signed item, and to increment it by one every time you sign anything.	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	that actually allows repudiation.	[19:05]
ascii_field	how does this work ?	[19:05]
jurov	how is it different from expiry date?	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field because if i say "no messages with index past 500 may be signed by this key" the key actually is verifdiably dead.	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	jurov because the date at which a message was signed is not verifiable.	[19:06]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: say enemy captures key. signs whatever he likes, with indices you've already used.	[19:07]
ascii_field	then points to your material, says 'this is fake'	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	they're both fake.	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	once a duplicate is found, the key is dead.	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	ie, you've fucked the goat.	[19:07]
ascii_field	only if found!	[19:07]
ascii_field	if he is sitting on your wire, and silently drops your message, replaced with his...	[19:08]
ascii_field	but yes, the basic scheme is one that i described before	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[19:08]
ascii_field	with 'scratch-off hashes'	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	anyway. an enemy sitting on your wire in possession of your key is no enemy at all. he's your wife, like it or not.	[19:09]
ascii_field	(does anyone have the link handy where i described this scheme ?)	[19:09]
jurov	regardless, keys will need to be deprecated and upgraded somehow	[19:09]
ascii_field	jurov: in this scheme, you can 'blow' a key when it is time, by churning through its remaining shots	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	jurov what's wrong with a deed saying "this is my new keyt" ?	[19:10]
ascii_field	(publishing garbage signed thereby, with the serial number incrementing)	[19:10]
jurov	that you are not accepting it	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	that, yes.	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field not so sure how smart that is. garbage is interpretable.	[19:11]
ascii_field	jurov, mircea_popescu: iirc mircea_popescu did not accept refreshed subkeys either	[19:11]
ascii_field	(at mpex)	[19:11]
ascii_field	because 1) he would have to send a shuttle to his orbital station to swap out the ROM with the old key 2) people could sell mpex accounts!!111111	[19:12]
nubbins`	the wisdom of buying a private key is left as an exercise to the reader	[19:13]
ascii_field	nubbins`: this was an ancient thread. mircea_popescu explained that if people could update keys of mpex account, it would become practical to sell 'secondhand'	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	anyway, it allows you to update it. the idea that others would accept your update on your own terms and for free is bizarre and i guess unwarranted. going forward i imagine moist everything will be financed through fees on key updates. such as say assbot.	[19:13]
nubbins`	nod	[19:13]
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mircea_popescu	puts the cost of security right where it belongs : on the key owner.	[19:14]
nubbins`	added benefit of being L1, too	[19:14]
ascii_field	the flip side of this is that civil-death-by-dint-of-key-compromise will become a thing.	[19:14]
ascii_field	(already is a thing.)	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	otherwise you get a disaster of commons situation where 5k services are stuck doing things because you were bored one evening. that might work for a woman's book club	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	ut i want no part of it.	[19:14]
ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1297290 << incidentally, this is the cue i've been waiting for to bring up an old observation of mine re: assbot and similar:	[19:16]
assbot	Logged on 12-10-2015 22:11:29; mircea_popescu: ascii_field not so sure how smart that is. garbage is interpretable.	[19:16]
ascii_field	it is a chosen-ciphertext attack vector.	[19:16]
ascii_field	as presently implemented.	[19:16]
mircea_popescu	how you figure ?	[19:17]
jurov	^ wiki material here. but i don't have acct	[19:17]
ascii_field	(i.e., we ~think~ we are decrypting garbage, but who knows what it is. perhaps nsa killed kakobrekla and the next auth token is actually using the symmetric key header from your last transmission to the satellite !!)	[19:17]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field it includes a plaintext field for this reason.	[19:17]
ascii_field	rsa is malleable.	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla is certainly smart.	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	it can be malleable, but look at a string.	[19:18]
jurov	btw, instead of sequence number i'd use hash of previous signature	[19:18]
ascii_field	the other thing, you are not decrypting the string !	[19:18]
ascii_field	you are decrypting a symmetric key	[19:18]
ascii_field	which is invisible	[19:18]
ascii_field	thinkaboutit	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	22:36:14 pete_dushenski: !v assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.punkman.2:be692bd7a8864924c2526b0f2b72dd90baebc89bf10b131ff925358764b9be	[19:19]
mircea_popescu	the text is "assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.punkman.2:blabla"	[19:19]
ascii_field	the text.	[19:19]
mircea_popescu	jurov no, they have to be immutable.	[19:19]
ascii_field	but what you actually decrypted with rsa was a random blob	[19:19]
ascii_field	(aes key)	[19:19]
mircea_popescu	ok...	[19:19]
jurov	how chaining them by hash makes them mutable?	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	what, am i thick or something ?	[19:20]
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jurov	!up ascii_field	[19:20]
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ascii_field	ok looks like i have to draw a picture ?	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	jurov well you wouldn't know in advance. maybe 3 is unreleased and you see 2 and 4	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field i think so.	[19:21]
ascii_field	say hitler has killed poor kakobrekla. and really, really needs one of mircea_popescu's pgpgrams decrypted.	[19:21]
ascii_field	(from some captured email in the past)	[19:21]
jurov	mircea_popescu: when 4 will contain hash of 3 and 3 must contain hash of 2	[19:21]
jurov	then space for forgery diminishes dramatically	[19:21]
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mircea_popescu	jurov but at the time you see 4, you do not see 3.	[19:22]
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ascii_field	so he modifies assbot so that the next time mircea_popescu is given otp token, it is actually carrying the rsa-enciphered symmetric key from $message	[19:22]
mircea_popescu	!up Ett	[19:22]
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jurov	you see hash of 3	[19:22]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field ok...	[19:22]
jurov	which will be own field and goes into the signature	[19:22]
mircea_popescu	jurov you don't have what to confront it with man.	[19:23]
jurov	thus, you have to create a collision to forge valid 3 later	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	but you can't verify it is good now!	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	forget later.	[19:23]
jurov	4 will be in deedbot	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	how ?	[19:23]
jurov	at that time	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	deedbot magically knows it's ok ?	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	how do you accept 4 without 3!	[19:24]
*	pete_dushenski off for a jog then more turkey. so much more turkey.	[19:24]
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jurov	you want all singed matter to be public in that order?	[19:25]
jurov	*signed	[19:25]
mircea_popescu	no, but if the number reads "4" you don't need to be shown the deed with number 3 to know 4 is a valid number.	[19:25]
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mircea_popescu	ascii_field i still dun get what the problem is.	[19:25]
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jurov	okay, then there can be both serial number and previous hash	[19:26]
mircea_popescu	i guess.	[19:26]
mircea_popescu	kinda why the issuie is an elephant in room : we (i) dun really wanna go into it because it's such a bitch to manage and creeping featuritis 5 ways to sunday	[19:26]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: the basic problem is that you are decrypting $blob and, so long as the output has the expected form (and how many of us check? yes, i check. but there are folks who will pipe it straight into their irc via shellatron. yes, you know who you are	[19:26]
ascii_field	)	[19:26]
mircea_popescu	i do not imagine anyone seriously pipes it in.	[19:27]
ascii_field	so long as it has expected form, it is send out.	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	but yes, automated security and suicide share a flavour.	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	can you demonstrate rsa malleability in the sense of, appending "pete_dushenski.rate.punkman.2:" as prefix to cyphertext ?	[19:27]
ascii_field	no need.	[19:28]
ascii_field	all that would be required is (yes, open problem) a particular kind of aes boojum.	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	getting rid of aes gets rid of this anyway.	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	iirc i have a "why you don't want to chain hashes" thing somewhere.	[19:29]
ascii_field	bbl	[19:30]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00048908 = 3.2768 BTC [+]	[19:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24150 @ 0.00048928 = 11.8161 BTC [+]	[19:38]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15123 @ 0.0004843 = 7.3241 BTC [-]	[19:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11002 @ 0.00048394 = 5.3243 BTC [-] {3}	[19:47]
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punkman	btw if you don't want the signatures on your subkeys being sha1, I think --cert-digest-algo is the option that needs changing	[19:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33600 @ 0.00048391 = 16.2594 BTC [-]	[19:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27750 @ 0.00048629 = 13.4945 BTC [+]	[19:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23558 @ 0.00048904 = 11.5208 BTC [+] {4}	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	unrelatedly, anyone familiar with the life of this 2010 rapunzel, carrie perjean ?	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	miss california / miss usa aspirant, asked by that slime perez hilton what she thinks of same sex marriages, didn't have the presence of mind to tell the old fag to stuff it with the bullying, as this is about hot young women not about wrinkly old poofs nobody would fuck with a loaned goat penis,	[20:01]
mircea_popescu	after which litigation, sex tapes, and finally married an ex nfl quarterback.	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	should be a fucking movie already.	[20:02]
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mircea_popescu	!up longgone	[20:03]
-assbot-	You voiced longgone for 30 minutes.	[20:03]
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mircea_popescu	funny how many people discover they really got nothing to say once the gate is there.	[20:05]
nubbins`	heh	[20:08]
nubbins`	"If I was in their shoes, I'd..." ...suck just like they do	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	mmmyeah.	[20:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3850 @ 0.000489 = 1.8827 BTC [-]	[20:21]
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BingoBoingo	!up Peter_Geschel	[20:29]
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asciilifeform	;;later tell mod6 no reason not to publish the thing now.	[20:37]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[20:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21850 @ 0.00048391 = 10.5734 BTC [-]	[20:39]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1297376 << this does absolutely nothing about the subkey signatures OR the fingerprints	[20:39]
assbot	Logged on 12-10-2015 22:51:13; punkman: btw if you don't want the signatures on your subkeys being sha1, I think --cert-digest-algo is the option that needs changing	[20:39]
asciilifeform	both are hardcoded to use sha1.	[20:39]
asciilifeform	rfc2440/4880 make NO provision for changing it. ever.	[20:39]
punkman	I don't see any mention of sha1 in the rfc regarding subkey sigs etc	[20:41]
asciilifeform	the fp is a sha1	[20:41]
asciilifeform	and it gets signed.	[20:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27988 @ 0.00048429 = 13.5543 BTC [+]	[20:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6057 @ 0.0004859 = 2.9431 BTC [+] {3}	[20:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.000489 = 10.9536 BTC [+]	[20:50]
punkman	well I'm more worried about subkey shenanigans than someone finding a collision for my fingerprint	[20:55]
asciilifeform	punkman: didja miss the nyooz item where the collision approached the cheap-as-dirt point ?	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	"subkey shenanigans" are EXACTLY what "someone finding a collision for your fp" means.	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	what's this ?!	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	what do you think subkeys are ?	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	it's not like the distinction is in any way meaningful. it's pure bullshit, which is one of the major reasons the pgp "standard" is so borken. there's no actual enforcing of the notions it then purports to expose to the verbal world.	[20:57]
asciilifeform	a treatise re: all of the (identifiable!) ways in which the rfc is retarded, would exceed the rfc in length, manyfold	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	myeah	[20:59]
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shinohai	http://coincollectingenterprises.com/coin-collection-shop/copper-pennies-bullion-bulk-buy/copper-pennies-20-tons	[21:03]
assbot	Copper Pennies 20 Tons - Copper Pennies ... ( http://bit.ly/1LhBiQJ )	[21:03]
asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_j6sykqmVw << unrelated but interesting.	[21:04]
assbot	Secret Interview of Soviet Pilot Defector Circa 1973 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1LhBhwl )	[21:04]
shinohai	^ would love to purchase for the sole purpose of making court-ordered payments	[21:04]
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punkman	dunno, I worry more about someone refreshing his keyring and ending up with extra subkeys under my main key, than a second main key appearing with same fingerprint, so I'm definitely setting my cert-digest-algo to sha512	[21:23]
punkman	unfortunately it seems hard to refresh current key using new cert-digest-algo	[21:24]
nubbins`	shinohai surely your country has a law limiting how much change can be used to settle a transaction?!	[21:25]
punkman	anyway, good thing I distributed my key before the shappening ;)	[21:26]
punkman	btw, has anyone signed a collection of assbot wot keys?	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	at the various conferences.	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	lor you mean of the whole thing ?	[21:30]
punkman	yeah that	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	not afaik. not publicly at any rate.	[21:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15053 @ 0.00048635 = 7.321 BTC [-]	[21:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32900 @ 0.00048955 = 16.1062 BTC [+] {4}	[21:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.00048391 = 14.2753 BTC [-] {2}	[22:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19446 @ 0.0004856 = 9.443 BTC [+]	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/10/catfish.html << i thought i saw a bunch of bad films. omfg i dunno where this guy shops but i've never seen films half as bad as the fucktarded youtube facebook shit he's watching.	[22:16]
assbot	The Last Psychiatrist: Catfish: The Real Danger Of Social Media ... ( http://bit.ly/1GETBNO )	[22:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39100 @ 0.0004897 = 19.1473 BTC [+] {2}	[22:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00048971 = 8.472 BTC [+] {2}	[22:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.0004846 = 2.5199 BTC [-] {3}	[22:42]
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BingoBoingo	https://i.imgur.com/uuWvlhM.jpg	[22:53]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GajMRr )	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	lol.	[23:07]
*	mircea_popescu never uses the innundated toilet model. it's fucking stupid.	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	you want a washbasin to shit in, plug the bidet and go at it.	[23:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37450 @ 0.00048909 = 18.3164 BTC [+] {4}	[23:08]
phf	i thought the matter of subkeys, "automatic" key replacements or substituions was settled by hanbot's story. i really put too much faith in it as the b-a canon seems like	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	unlike any decent cult, b-a does not actually have a cannon.	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	just a large-ish body of accepted knowledge which merely appears accepted "by everyone" in the sense that nobody agrees with all of it but nobody has seriously attacked all of it.	[23:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30350 @ 0.00049017 = 14.8767 BTC [+]	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	the side point being that agreement is neither required nor actually the criteria.	[23:17]
BingoBoingo	Or universally beneficial.	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	actually universal agreement being strictly detrimental is a standing rule.	[23:18]
BingoBoingo	If there was a single cannon the idiots could take it	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	consensus is the sure sing of a cattle herd.	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	and in other news these monte cristos are fucking exquisite.	[23:20]
BingoBoingo	nice	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	"For the past two weeks Sandberg was anywhere nothing useful is happening, and I'm going to include Facebook in that. Some cry-baby over at Jezebel was thrilled that Sandberg was featured all week on Access Hollywood, holy Christ, she thought this was a good thing. "Feminism is back in the mainstream in a big way," she wrote, I assume in between quaaludes, "the women's movement is actually moving." How can you work	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	in media and not understand media? The fact that feminism is in the mainstream means that it doesn't exist, it is no longer real, in the same way that when you hear "gun control debate" it's a lie and "fiscal cliff" is an easy to market, safe distraction from the structural problems that can never be named, here's one: for any heterogeneous population, the expansion of a "welfare class" is logically inseparable from t	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	he entrenchment of an aristocracy, can't have one without the other once you get bigger than 20M, ask Bismarck. "Does he write for Time?" No. But keep this in mind every time you hear how great it is Bill Gates is curing malaria after leaving us all with Windows."	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	ha!	[23:35]
*	assbot gives voice to phf	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	he happens to be exactly right, too. welfare class strictly means entrenching aristocracy, it isn't even a thing on and of itself. just a sympthom of that phenomena.	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	and entrenching aristocracy means sclerosis and stuff like that, but let's not get too serious.	[23:35]
phf	how does assbot handle key expirations? does it periodically download new key from sks or it downloads it if you try and use an expired key?	[23:38]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-10-2015#1297438 << they are sop in usa. to this day i do not know precisely why.	[23:39]
assbot	Logged on 13-10-2015 02:07:53; *: mircea_popescu never uses the innundated toilet model. it's fucking stupid.	[23:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00049017 = 6.7643 BTC [+]	[23:39]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-10-2015#1297439 >>>> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2014#639521	[23:41]
assbot	Logged on 13-10-2015 02:08:02; mircea_popescu: you want a washbasin to shit in, plug the bidet and go at it.	[23:41]
assbot	Logged on 24-04-2014 00:33:21; asciilifeform: me grandpa (physicist) first encountered a bidet in vienna	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	phf afaik it never downloads it. if your key expires you're fucked.	[23:41]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-10-2015#1297452 << this excerpt may as well be about martians, as far as my ability to decipher it is concerned...	[23:43]
assbot	Logged on 13-10-2015 02:34:57; mircea_popescu: "For the past two weeks Sandberg was anywhere nothing useful is happening, and I'm going to include Facebook in that. Some cry-baby over at Jezebel was thrilled that Sandberg was featured all week on Access Hollywood, holy Christ, she thought this was a good thing. "Feminism is back in the mainstream in a big way," she wrote, I assume in between quaaludes, "the women's movement is ac	[23:43]
mircea_popescu	i don't think you're enough of a pedophile to give a shit about what teenaged women do anyway.	[23:44]
asciilifeform	(who is sandberg? what is jezebel? what happens in 'access hollywood'? and, more importantly, what do i gain from trying to figure this out...?)	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	the same thing you gain from trying to figure anything else out.	[23:44]
asciilifeform	try as i might, the thing fails to clear my wetware spam filter.	[23:45]
*	asciilifeform learns, after cursory search re: above, that his spam filter ~was~ to be trusted	[23:46]
BingoBoingo	!b 3	[23:47]
assbot	Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2T3SEBB.txt )	[23:47]
mircea_popescu	ofcourseitwas.	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	here's a pro tip : everyone investigating matters out of paradigm decide, with clockwork regularity, that their attempt was a mistake.	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	"oh i tried to look into this whole darwinian stuff. mmmkay..."	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	the thing with science is that there's no science outside of what science you make. there's no wave function in the actual fucking fermion.	[23:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41700 @ 0.00048245 = 20.1182 BTC [-] {3}	[23:50]
asciilifeform	wake me up when the feminism-is-back-in-mainstream-jezebel-access-hollywood thing is paradigmatically darwin-shifting something.	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	did your father get a blowjob ?	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	how about anal sex. what % of his mates did he bugger ?	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	or wait. did he fuck more women than his age ?	[23:50]
*	asciilifeform actually does not know the answer to this riddle	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	i rest.	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	note that you're no more required to be a plumber than i'm required to give a shit about lisp. you get to pick your own spot where your vita brevis makes no difference anyway.	[23:51]
asciilifeform	but... srsly what else exciting action am i missing?! anal sex among sewer rats? should i be constructing a robotic camera to determine its quality in the pipes underneath my street ?	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	if and only if you feel like it.	[23:51]
asciilifeform	^ good student project btw.	[23:51]
asciilifeform	but yes, vita brevis.	[23:52]
asciilifeform	glad the matter is in good hands...	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	to some people, the notion that men aged > 50 today as well as their antecessors didn't do x y z thing automatically disqualifies them, as men. to some other, it's just ridoinculous bs.	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	what can i say.	[23:52]
*	asciilifeform recalls mircea_popescu article re: same.	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	but some common ground can be found. "your wife won't do what you tell her to ? what does the possessive denote then ?" for instance. "oh but it hurts. and she finds it disgusting". yeah. that's the fucking point. of course she'll obey an order to eat more chocolate.	[23:53]
asciilifeform	euclid never knew long division. gauss never beheld a pocket calculator. both, in my mind - men, just the same.	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	"no but really, it's more about partnership". i'm sure it is. and it gets tested never. "no, like, once someone gets cancer". tyvm, i prefer to create my own problems.	[23:54]
phf	mircea_popescu: i don't think that's the case. there's some magic happening, because there are no provissions to do a key refresh yet my formerly expired key still works.	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform but they are dubious scientists. if euclid walked over here and got into an argument with me over fucking bannach space algebra, pete_dushenski would prolly be right in his wing with a !rate euclid -1 gramps has nfi where his rope ends.	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	phf i doubt assbot actually updates them. it might also not look at expirations, i dunno how kakobrekla did it, maybe he weighs in.	[23:56]
asciilifeform	iirc my key expired twice, each time worked after refresh.	[23:56]
asciilifeform	the second was post-assbotization.	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	or in other words, the only reason you think they're still men is because their key expired and you don't have to refresh anything.	[23:57]
phf	yeah, yours is going to go on dec 22	[23:57]
*	asciilifeform is not an mpex user and feels entirely free to issue traditional, expir-dated keys	[23:57]
asciilifeform	who said being poor bugger living in own shit doesn't have up-side !	[23:58]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: let's try a little puzzler	[23:59]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: newton: man ?	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	to whom ?	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	it's not a thing in itself.	[23:59]
asciilifeform	(there is not one shred of reliable evidence that he once fucked any living thing)	[23:59]
asciilifeform	to mircea_popescu.	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	dude i have no idea, the long dead are a 4th fucking gender.	[23:59]

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