Forum logs for 13 Oct 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu what about golda meir ? woman ? [00:00]
asciilifeform i thought anything gets to be 'woman' for phree, per mircea_popescu's algo [00:00]
* mircea_popescu has serious trouble evaluating the gender of people who lived in socio-cultural constructs that share little with his own in any sort of term that's meaningful for common parlance. [00:00]
asciilifeform there we go. [00:00]
asciilifeform so the grandfather-who-had-no-blowjob is every bit the man...? [00:01]
mircea_popescu meanwhile, the context of your father shares a lot with your own. [00:01]
mircea_popescu grandfather is only present in the father (and his antecessors) chain. [00:01]
asciilifeform not so sure that it did. [00:01]
mircea_popescu that's how that thing got added in there, outside of that line it's dead. [00:01]
mircea_popescu what do you mean "not sure that it did" ? [00:01]
asciilifeform share context with mine. [00:02]
mircea_popescu ... [00:02]
mircea_popescu you are familiar with the basics of human sexuate reproduction i expect ? [00:02]
asciilifeform l0lwut [00:02]
mircea_popescu he fucked the woman that taught you to speak yo. [00:02]
mircea_popescu necefuckingssarily it did. [00:02]
asciilifeform newz at 11! [00:02]
asciilifeform i was referring to the cultural context of what-makes-man [00:02]
mircea_popescu me too. [00:03]
mircea_popescu he seduced her. somehow. right ? hopefully by speech. [00:03]
asciilifeform presumably. [00:03]
mircea_popescu that's your inedible point of contact : the same agent that cooed and went heels over head through the use of the same mechanism then taught you how to usew that mechanism. [00:04]
asciilifeform this, sure. [00:04]
mircea_popescu if this is not enough joining nothing ever will be. [00:04]
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* asciilifeform has exhausted his brain-stack depth and forgotten the return address of what originated this train of thought [00:05]
mircea_popescu thanks god for logs. [00:05]
* asciilifeform resorts to log [00:05]
mircea_popescu but some obscure thing about what is interesting or not. [00:05]
asciilifeform ah! [00:05]
mircea_popescu and i meant indelible not inedible. i blame the keyboard. [00:06]
asciilifeform it was re: . to which my reflexive reaction is much the same as that of a non-entomologist is to five kilograms of cockroaches pouring out of a kitchen cabinet. [00:07]
assbot Logged on 13-10-2015 02:34:57; mircea_popescu: "For the past two weeks Sandberg was anywhere nothing useful is happening, and I'm going to include Facebook in that. Some cry-baby over at Jezebel was thrilled that Sandberg was featured all week on Access Hollywood, holy Christ, she thought this was a good thing. "Feminism is back in the mainstream in a big way," she wrote, I assume in between quaaludes, "the women's movement is ac [00:07]
mircea_popescu well... they're colored. you ever seen my pic with the sea slugs ? [00:07]
asciilifeform aha [00:07]
asciilifeform it did not hit this button. [00:08]
mircea_popescu fortunately for you, ars longa. [00:08]
mircea_popescu because if it weren't... think for just a minute how horrible life were if in point of fact we were imortal. [00:08]
mircea_popescu it'd then be the case that sooner or larter we;'d have to do everything. EVERYTHING. [00:08]
* mircea_popescu is well gratefull to be dead long before he'd reach the end of anything. [00:09]
asciilifeform from the problems-we-don't-have series! (tm) (r) [00:09]
mircea_popescu anyway, that's the cultural antrhopologist standing story an' im sticking by it : speech is interesting because it provides permanence in a very improbable setting. [00:11]
mircea_popescu so improbable in fact it even enticed you into playing your qj straight into my pocket rockets. [00:11]
mircea_popescu gotta give it something. [00:11]
asciilifeform there is prolly at least one lucky fella to whom every gram of those 5kg of roaches steaming out of the kitchen cabinets is a fascinating treasure. [00:11]
asciilifeform i take off my hat, to him. [00:12]
asciilifeform and i'm well aware that some of the subjects i work on arouse much the same reaction in yet other people. [00:12]
asciilifeform hell, in my own mind as well. [00:13]
mircea_popescu lol [00:13]
* mircea_popescu rarely has this reaction, tbh. [00:13]
asciilifeform in fact, at this point if i had to choose whether to spend the rest of my days in the close warm company of cockroaches, XOR with c++ - would likely pick the former.. [00:13]
mircea_popescu cockroaches are pretty interesting as far as that goes. for instance : did you know that the entire fucking genus, which is immnse, strictly depends on there not being abrasive surfaces ? [00:15]
mircea_popescu thjat's why borax gets them. it scratches their carpace, they lose water. [00:15]
mod6 huh [00:15]
asciilifeform 'works of nature', even at their ugliest, don't provoke in my mind a sense of the monstrous - because they do not have the flavour of dead ends. [00:15]
asciilifeform whereas works of man, so often do have this flavour. [00:15]
asciilifeform e.g., c++. [00:16]
mircea_popescu i doubt it's actually possible for a proper dead end, in nature. [00:16]
asciilifeform aha. [00:16]
asciilifeform << everyone has his borax, yes. [00:17]
assbot Logged on 13-10-2015 03:15:13; mircea_popescu: thjat's why borax gets them. it scratches their carpace, they lose water. [00:17]
* asciilifeform bbl. [00:18]
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mircea_popescu "I met the woman at a Broadway show, but the night's best piece of acting, I'd say, came from me, back at her East Village apartment, after we'd been having sex for about 25 minutes, with Neil Young wailing the song "Comes a Time" from the laptop on her bedside table. The dried-out condom had a full-bodied choke hold on me, but I'd already stopped twice to put on a fresh one, and I knew, as I kept earnestly pumping awa [00:46]
mircea_popescu y, that one more condom wouldn't make the necessary difference." [00:46]
mircea_popescu motherfucker! who has this problem ?! [00:46]
mircea_popescu << how the fuck does he figure THE GUY has chronic sexual dysfunction ? [00:46]
assbot The Last Psychiatrist: The Effects Of Too Much Porn: "He's Just Not That Into Anyone" ... ( ) [00:46]
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mircea_popescu i have never, ever, in my fucking life been in a situation where pumping dried out the woman. how the fuck does this work even ? [00:47]
mircea_popescu i've seen the thing where after a bout of sustained fucking her cunt would leak of its own volition for another fucking hour, yes. but what is this sandy bitch bs. [00:47]
phf a common acquaintance once said that she sometimes flips through tv channels while having sex with her boyfriend [00:53]
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mircea_popescu common to whom, us two ? [01:49]
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mircea_popescu "I have a surprising piece of advice for parents, which I hope will be taken in the spirit it is offered: your kid doesn't want to be around you that much. No one does. This isn't because you're a bad person but because you're an ordinary person. You are not such a unique, creative, intelligent or even interesting person that the kid benefits from constant exposure to you. When you have something to offer, maximize [02:20]
mircea_popescu and concentrate that time, and then get the hell out of the way." [02:20]
mircea_popescu best advice. [02:20]
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mircea_popescu lol [03:16]
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mircea_popescu !up rdymac [03:29]
-assbot- You voiced rdymac for 30 minutes. [03:29]
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punkman BingoBoingo: If there was a single cannon the idiots could take it << no no the cannon takes the idiots, unless I'm out of powder [07:13]
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punkman given enough airflow and pulling out on the outstroke, it's sort of possible, at least temporarily [07:27]
assbot Logged on 13-10-2015 03:47:10; mircea_popescu: i have never, ever, in my fucking life been in a situation where pumping dried out the woman. how the fuck does this work even ? [07:27]
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punkman here's one for BB [08:31]
assbot Miss Platnum - Give Me The Food (Offizielles Musikvideo) - YouTube ... ( ) [08:31]
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mircea_popescu punkman ah i hate the pulling out stuff [09:32]
mircea_popescu incidentally, this is how condoms break if they do. [09:32]
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mircea_popescu !up binaryatrocity [10:33]
-assbot- You voiced binaryatrocity for 30 minutes. [10:33]
* assbot gives voice to binaryatrocity [10:33]
binaryatrocity Thank you. [10:33]
mircea_popescu sure. who're you ? [10:33]
binaryatrocity I am binaryatrocity, lover of crypto, and lurker of many channels. [10:33]
mircea_popescu aha. [10:33]
binaryatrocity The pleasure is all mine. Well met. [10:34]
jurov have a blog? [10:35]
binaryatrocity I... have a personal site, that may look like a blog. But it is lacking in any blog-like content. [10:36]
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asciilifeform binaryatrocity: link? [10:58]
binaryatrocity [10:58]
assbot Brandon Cornejo (binaryatrocity) | Keybase [10:58]
binaryatrocity err, [10:58]
assbot Brandon Cornejo | binaryatrocity ... ( ) [10:58]
asciilifeform keybase?!! [10:58]
asciilifeform !s keybase [10:58]
assbot 87 results for 'keybase' : [10:59]
binaryatrocity hmm? [10:59]
asciilifeform binaryatrocity: it is a search command. if you follow the link, will see discussions of the item from the past. might learn something. [10:59]
binaryatrocity hmm, signature verification with gribble is ever-failing [11:00]
asciilifeform gribble auth is no longer in active use in #bitcoin-assets. [11:00]
asciilifeform binaryatrocity: see [11:00]
assbot first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( ) [11:01]
binaryatrocity yes but I cannot yet voice myself, and the "requirements to be in Assbots WoT can be found " link goes to the homepage [11:01]
binaryatrocity which links to a waybackmachine of, which references gribble auth [11:02]
binaryatrocity so here I am :D [11:02]
asciilifeform binaryatrocity: register with assbot; at some point, other people might rate you, and then you will be self-voicing. [11:02]
asciilifeform but no one can rate you until you register. [11:02]
binaryatrocity registered! [11:02]
asciilifeform !gettrust binaryatrocity [11:03]
assbot Trust relationship from user asciilifeform to user binaryatrocity: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | | [11:03]
asciilifeform !rate binaryatrocity 1 new blood [11:03]
assbot Request successful, get your OTP: [11:03]
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asciilifeform !v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.binaryatrocity.1:c01c13d718ae0ea8df2544e2e90e5d6b6f3b03e8c865a0bf788ff9daaba79292 [11:04]
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assbot Successfully added a rating of 1 for binaryatrocity with note: new blood [11:04]
asciilifeform binaryatrocity: try voicing yourself now. [11:04]
asciilifeform binaryatrocity: and consider moving away from keybase. generate a civilized key on your own hardware, sign it with the old, and quit sharing private key with the enemy. [11:06]
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mircea_popescu o.O our wiki is out of date ? [11:12]
mircea_popescu who was giving jurov a login ? kakobrekla ? mike_c ? [11:13]
jurov iirc no one yet [11:13]
mircea_popescu yeah im chasing it. [11:13]
thestringpuller for people with anxiety disorders: what works for you other than drugz? [11:16]
jurov sex? [11:17]
kakobrekla sure i can make you an account [11:17]
jurov kakobrekla: yes pls [11:17]
kakobrekla pm [11:17]
mircea_popescu for young males with anxiety "disorders" the only workable solution is to get into a lot of fights. [11:17]
mircea_popescu with any luck you'll be cured before you lose your 2nd tooth. [11:18]
thestringpuller how does that work psychologically and all that jazz? [11:18]
kakobrekla anyone else needs a login? [11:19]
mircea_popescu the ancient theory on consumptive masturbation was that monsters are a figment of the imagination, and so the practical cure was to expose the young man to ACTUAL, ie, anatomically accurate depictions of the other gender. what today we'd call porn. [11:19]
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mircea_popescu all neurosis works the same way, the subject replaces the thing as is with a construct in his own head. [11:20]
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kakobrekla >A crowdfunding campaign for a razor blade which its US creators claimed could remove facial hair with a laser beam has been suspended by Kickstarter. [11:39]
kakobrekla >It has now been relisted on Indiegogo. [11:39]
kakobrekla [11:39]
assbot Laser razor kicked off Kickstarter - BBC News ... ( ) [11:39]
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mircea_popescu doh [11:43]
kakobrekla < assbot currently runs --refresh-keys periodically [11:44]
assbot Logged on 13-10-2015 02:56:15; mircea_popescu: phf i doubt assbot actually updates them. it might also not look at expirations, i dunno how kakobrekla did it, maybe he weighs in. [11:44]
mircea_popescu ah [11:44]
mircea_popescu any particular reason ? [11:45]
mircea_popescu imo the right play would be to stop refreshing and move to a "provide your pubkey in pastebin" model. prhaps even to be enhanced to a "ask someone in wot to sign your pubkey and give it to assbot" later. too soon for that imo. [11:45]
kakobrekla prolly because of key revocation [11:49]
kakobrekla i think there was a discussion back then about this, having it coupled or uncoupled [11:54]
mircea_popescu yea [11:54]
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trinque thestringpuller: take a heroic dose of a psychedelic alone; works as well as a fight [12:02]
trinque if you don't crack yourself maybe you'll learn what's actually worth feeling anxiety in life [12:02]
kakobrekla also wasnt there the idea of running ba keyserver? [12:05]
mircea_popescu ya [12:05]
kakobrekla and it is suppose to be compatible with --send-keys? [12:09]
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mircea_popescu well it's not specced yet, so who knows. [12:11]
davout guten tag [12:15]
mircea_popescu hola [12:17]
mircea_popescu "Pharma is the backbone of medicine, because, unfortuantely, medicine is about treatment, not prevention. If a doctor recommends exercise, or garlic, or even aspirin, it's a sidenote, and a quaint one. "Oh, my doctor thinks I should move to Florida for my asthma!" Meanwhile, they'll give out the amoxicillin to every crying toddler, even though they know that that is detrimental. you know why? Because it looks like [12:19]
mircea_popescu a treatment. It's not all the doctors' fault; but that's the system. [12:19]
mircea_popescu I'm going to repeat this because I know people are going to misunderstand me: the system that you want is impossible to construct in the framework of modern medicine, if for no other reason than doctors don't read-- derive no benefit from reading. The system does not exist, and you cannot create it. Psychiatry is politics; medicine is the justice system. Pharma are the opposing lawyers, and doctors are the jury. Th [12:19]
mircea_popescu e jury must decide the fate of the defendant-patient. And the FDA--judge simply makes sure everyone is civil. Not accurate, save for outright perjury; just civil." [12:19]
mircea_popescu motherfucker. see, this is how bad ideas corrupt. [12:19]
jurov iirc the keyserver will be geared maximally toward manual process [12:19]
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mircea_popescu "oh, we don't have the continental legal system here - we have an adversarial system" good for you [12:19]
jurov such as... human sacrifices [12:19]
mircea_popescu "and we'll make medicine work that way too because there can only be one of anything" [12:19]
mircea_popescu fuck you, seriously. [12:19]
mircea_popescu jurov firstborn keyserver ? [12:20]
jurov problematic if no children [12:21]
mircea_popescu ikr. [12:24]
mircea_popescu but i guess if no children one could sacrifice first gf. [12:24]
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shinohai <<< sadly, keybase turned out to be a giant disappoint for me. [13:00]
assbot Logged on 13-10-2015 14:06:35; asciilifeform: binaryatrocity: and consider moving away from keybase. generate a civilized key on your own hardware, sign it with the old, and quit sharing private key with the enemy. [13:00]
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binaryatrocity but as basically another keyserver, no problem with keybase right? [13:06]
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binaryatrocity I'm not trusting them with my private key, it's just a sane profile to store the public and link me to domains etc i might control? [13:06]
mircea_popescu sorta like hanging out at the rape club is a-ok because you're only getting drinks anyway. [13:08]
mircea_popescu a perfectly sound if rather uncommon stance. [13:08]
binaryatrocity but I left the key to my chastity belt at home, so I'm safe!? :D [13:08]
binaryatrocity Just looking for some reasoning behind the hate, feel free to tell me I'm an idiot. [13:09]
binaryatrocity Obviously popping your private key into your browser is asking for a bad-time, but in the same vein as is used, it's basically teh same functionality? [13:09]
punkman binaryatrocity: one, it is/was all javascript, two, it used to "backup" your private keys to their server [13:09]
mircea_popescu not afaik same functionality, no. [13:09]
binaryatrocity but handing over your private key is optional, I clearly understand why relinquishing access to your private key is a bad idea [13:10]
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mircea_popescu but hanging out / using people who do a bad thing, even if they're not doing it to you, is dubious. [13:10]
binaryatrocity I see your point, the public-facing info can be useful though, sure there might be no real tangible benefit to tying your github to your gpg key that you couldn't achieve in a different manner, but it does provide a clean interface [13:12]
mircea_popescu that's ok, we don't like github either. [13:13]
binaryatrocity Sure, self-hosted is king. I follow. [13:14]
davout binaryatrocity: how do you "link your GPG to your github"? [13:14]
mircea_popescu this is the sort of thing one can't understand from outside. [13:14]
jurov "popping your private key into your browser" IS NOT "the same vein as is used" !!! [13:15]
binaryatrocity i didn't say that [13:15]
jurov where his nonsense comes from?? [13:15]
binaryatrocity *sigh* [13:15]
mircea_popescu lol. [13:15]
binaryatrocity I didn't say that at all [13:15]
jurov what did you say? [13:15]
binaryatrocity Storing your PUBLIC key on Keybase to be access by whomever is the equivalent to uploading your public key to the MIT keyserver [13:16]
jurov i see "basically the same functionality" [13:16]
binaryatrocity it allows someone who is looking for your public key to access it, based on information they may already know about you [13:16]
mircea_popescu pushing a point, sending an ack to a http server is pretty much the same as sending an ack to any other http server. [13:16]
binaryatrocity Be that your Name, an associated domain name, or an already-known 'social' account [13:16]
mircea_popescu binaryatrocity that's not wqhat it does. what it does is, it allows to PRETEND like they're relevant, based on your own work. [13:16]
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jurov binaryatrocity: and then the private keys of other derps leak, how will you explain "but it's not me" ? [13:17]
ascii_field ok this is glorious: [13:17]
binaryatrocity It stores the associations in a 'familiar' and accessible manner [13:17]
mircea_popescu hey, what's your facebook ? [13:17]
binaryatrocity but again i see your point, signing messages to my GIST or Twitter is still relevant without Keybase displaying it. [13:17]
ascii_field my office window faces a parking lot. there is a 'welfar' office nearly. a couple just parked, carrying out a cradle with a kid. they parked... a brand new 'jaguar'. [13:17]
jurov you're basically supporting gpg-discreditation ops [13:18]
jurov understand? [13:18]
ascii_field *welfare [13:18]
ascii_field (or 'wic' as it is called now) [13:18]
mircea_popescu ascii_field you know more poor people buy status symbol items on credit than rich people buy them cash ? [13:18]
binaryatrocity Yes, yes I understand that keybase is bad because they allow the option for users to compromise their own private keys [13:18]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: i knew, in abstract. but never saw alive. [13:18]
mircea_popescu binaryatrocity it's not that simple. that's just a symptom. keybase is bad because is made by the enemy, to suit the agenda of the enemy. the compromise key is just a symptom of this fundamental allignment with evil. [13:19]
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binaryatrocity Care to elaborate on this 'agenda' some? [13:19]
mircea_popescu you mean other than the log does ? [13:19]
jurov i repeat, gpg discreditation [13:19]
punkman example [13:20]
assbot Logged on 26-09-2015 11:23:38; punkman: gpg is hard, let's go shopping [13:20]
mircea_popescu jurov yeah but that's not meaningful to him. because dat variety speak. [13:20]
binaryatrocity I completely understand that argument, I just wanted some elaboration on "fundamental alignment with evil" heh [13:22]
mircea_popescu maybe a good move is ben_vulpes recent article on cascadian hacker. [13:22]
jurov it's in the logs [13:22]
mircea_popescu anecdotal but workable. [13:22]
jurov read them [13:22]
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ascii_field mircea_popescu: correction - turns out it was not 'jaguar' but something else. still, spiffier than my old tub. [13:23]
binaryatrocity Yes i am currently reading them. I also have a job to do, was hoping for a succinct answer, oh well, I'll read at my leisure. Thank you. [13:23]
mircea_popescu let me guess alfie, you mistook a new-ish chevy for jaguar. [13:23]
davout jurov: gpg discredits itself fine by itself :D [13:23]
mircea_popescu that is also a point lol. [13:24]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: vintage 'lincoln' [13:24]
ascii_field polished. [13:24]
mircea_popescu i dont recal lif that's very cheap or very expensive. [13:24]
ascii_field iirc it is american-highend [13:24]
binaryatrocity Lincoln is the "luxury" line of the Ford motor company [13:25]
mircea_popescu ya but old ones [13:25]
binaryatrocity Ford has owned Lincoln since like the 50's [13:25]
mircea_popescu no i mean - some old cars are actually more expensive old than they evere were new. [13:26]
mircea_popescu some others... be happy for $500 [13:26]
davout <<< sha256 implements sha2 [13:26]
assbot Logged on 12-10-2015 22:01:06; pete_dushenski: davout: also sha2 != sha256 [13:26]
binaryatrocity Oh, gotcha, sure. [13:26]
davout <<< fixxored ty [13:26]
assbot Logged on 12-10-2015 21:59:05; pete_dushenski: davout: "According to Schneier it costed ~$3mn in 2012 to find an arbitrary SHA1 collision." << cost [13:26]
mircea_popescu turns out the number s supplied was inaccurate. [13:27]
punkman you can also have sha3 with 256bits [13:27]
mircea_popescu if it's ~150-200k today, it was under 1mn in 2012 [13:27]
davout punkman: yeah sure, but what's usually referred to by SHA256 is SHA2 with a 256 bit length [13:30]
ascii_field << this is the basic vampirism on which the 'sv' huckster set lives. [13:31]
assbot Logged on 13-10-2015 16:16:53; mircea_popescu: binaryatrocity that's not wqhat it does. what it does is, it allows to PRETEND like they're relevant, based on your own work. [13:31]
ascii_field 'i'm on arsebook, but i have a brain!' 'good work, now arsebook can say, 'some of our users have brains!'' lubing up the chumpatronic intake hopper. [13:32]
mircea_popescu aye. just for my own amusement, i had a subreddit created ; and seeded it with a coupla posts. [13:33]
mircea_popescu one week later traffic on it ? 0. [13:33]
mircea_popescu "reddit is relevant". to what ? [13:33]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: perhaps not much reddit in sp ? [13:33]
mircea_popescu "well if you're already there it looks like there's people there". sure. same is true of grand central station [13:33]
davout what's the subreddit? [13:33]
mircea_popescu "no you don't understand, reddit drives traffic!!1" [13:33]
mircea_popescu orly ? it drives exactly 0, on its own. [13:33]
mircea_popescu davout no, because "irrelevant" MP is going to accidentally by an apropos drive 50000% more traffic than reddit [13:34]
mircea_popescu anmd then reddit will go "see ? |REDDIT DRIVES TRAFFIC!!11" [13:34]
ascii_field idk, when i link article in en there, it brings in a deluge of burned bandwidth [13:34]
mircea_popescu and then in the same day ima have to explain to well intentioned fellows what is evil about usg-tronics. [13:34]
ascii_field reddit is mostly usa thing [13:34]
mircea_popescu gee, i dunno. the fact they exist, as opposed to squirming in a lake full of its own guts ? [13:35]
mircea_popescu ascii_field spanish is the most spoken language in the us, get off. [13:35]
davout blergh [13:35]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: not by net users [13:35]
ascii_field believe or not [13:35]
mircea_popescu get out. who's on her mobile all day ? [13:35]
mircea_popescu not the northrop ceo, i'll bet you. [13:36]
ascii_field those folks aren't using the net as such. they're using sms (and, the occasional arsebook) [13:36]
mircea_popescu so then redit is exactly correct. [13:36]
ascii_field reddit, for whatever reason unknown to me, is mainly used by folks who sprechen sprechen englisch [13:36]
mircea_popescu in the sense that nobody uses it anyway and whoever forgot the bot setting on us-en [13:37]
ascii_field << lulzy. when will these folks learn to pgp ? [13:39]
assbot Assassination Reciprocity ... ( ) [13:39]
ascii_field or, if american forgery, why not crank out a pgp to sign with [13:40]
mircea_popescu i think it might be related to the spam discussion. "why is spam misspelled ? not because they can't hiore an editor. but because the demographic." [13:40]
mircea_popescu last fucking thing a spammer wants is the attention of intelligent people. [13:40]
ascii_field that would explain it. [13:41]
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mike_c << so, your twitter feed is "associated" with your public key, because.. keybase says so? [13:58]
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mike_c this lends some credibility to your twitter feed? [13:59]
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mike_c that I somehow know that it's not somebody else posting those twitter messages because the same public key and twitter address are listed on some keybase page? [13:59]
ascii_field re: earlier thread: [13:59]
assbot The SKAM Laser Razor: 21st century shaving!! - YouTube ... ( ) [13:59]
mike_c the problem with keybase is that it's smoke and mirrors. there isn't any actual link between those things, but it is pretending there is [14:00]
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binaryatrocity I'd imagine more the other way around, if you already 'followed' me on Twitter, you'd reasonably be able to assume that the other 'accounts' listed are also owned/controlled by that-person [14:00]
mircea_popescu the reasonable assumption is a beast that wasn't yet born. [14:01]
mike_c why? what would make me take that leap? because they are on the same keybase page that somebody set up? [14:01]
mike_c this is the problem - imaginary "credibility" [14:01]
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mike_c if it were a problem, if anyone cared about keybase [14:01]
mircea_popescu actually mike has it. this is i agree the best avenue to approach the problem. this is what's "evil", binaryatrocity : that in the pursuit of a fundamentally, inescapably false bit of fiction, you are asked to forfeit your actual life. [14:02]
HeySteve mike_c, any idea why they don't implement a gribble/assbot verification system to solve the problem? [14:02]
mike_c because consumers have come to expect simplicity. [14:02]
mircea_popescu or, if american forgery, why not crank out a pgp to sign with [14:02]
mircea_popescu today in b-a news : all questions are the same question! [14:03]
ascii_field something like the reason why the church never countenanced the various attempts to weigh the dying to learn the mass of escaping soul, etc [14:03]
binaryatrocity I understand what you're saying, Keybase could not exist and you could still do the same process of "proofs", signing a message and positing it to Twitter saying this is me achieves the same thing [14:05]
jurov you must say so publicly, not some website automagically for you [14:06]
binaryatrocity You are saying so publicly [14:07]
mircea_popescu well actually, the saying so on twitter is proof. [14:07]
binaryatrocity by signing a message with your PGP key, thus linking hte accounts [14:07]
binaryatrocity stop thinking about Keybase at all, if you know me for my code on Github, and you see I've signed some message with my key, and see a message similarly signed on a Twitter account [14:08]
ascii_field binaryatrocity: and when twitter posts 'i fuck goats' under your account, how will you ~unlink~ ? [14:08]
mircea_popescu there's a huge difference between something like and a nude statement on a website. [14:08]
binaryatrocity you can reasonably assume that both accounts are owned/controlled by the same person, namely "that guy i know on Github" [14:08]
binaryatrocity sure, you have no proof of real-world identity, but you have 'proof' that control of both accounts is had by the same entity [14:08]
mircea_popescu moreover unless i want to fuck you i couldn't give less of a shit about your "real world" identity [14:08]
mircea_popescu what exactly is it about wisconsin that makes it "real world" anyway. [14:09]
mircea_popescu looks pretty fake to me. [14:09]
binaryatrocity You could again sign a message with your key stating that Twitter or some other entity is posting to your Twitter account? lol [14:09]
binaryatrocity that's... not hte point [14:10]
ascii_field binaryatrocity: and post it ~where~ [14:10]
binaryatrocity the point is that anyone can go make a Reddit account with my nym [14:10]
mircea_popescu sure. [14:10]
binaryatrocity signing and posting messages between multiple accounts with the same name serves as some proof that they are controlled by the same entity [14:10]
mircea_popescu well yeah. [14:11]
binaryatrocity that's all I'm saying [14:11]
binaryatrocity lol [14:11]
mircea_popescu o ok than. [14:11]
ascii_field were controlled. at one instance in time. [14:11]
* mircea_popescu !downs ascii_field because hey. at one instance in time eh ? :D [14:11]
binaryatrocity and yes, Wisconsin is fake, most American beer is actually spontaneously created :D [14:12]
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mircea_popescu wait wasn't oregon the beer state ? i thought wisconsin mostly made the plastic cheese. [14:12]
ascii_field they make small quantities of actual cheese, even. [14:13]
ascii_field the beer is created when u.s. folks barf [14:13]
binaryatrocity Wisconsin is known for cheese, the largest city in said state is known as "Brew City", as many of the current mass-produced american beers found their start here [14:13]
mircea_popescu in fairness it'd be excellent clime for good cheez. [14:13]
binaryatrocity Miller, Schlitz, Blatz, Leinies, etc [14:13]
binaryatrocity and I think California makes more cheese now, so I don't even know [14:14]
ascii_field the cost of actual cheese, in usa, per-gram, approaches that of silver [14:14]
mircea_popescu am i the only one aware that schlitz is "urination opening in male pants" in yidish and so amused at the notion ? [14:14]
mircea_popescu ascii_field 10-20 dollars an ounce ? sounds maybe a little excessive. [14:15]
ascii_field 'a little' [14:15]
mircea_popescu that said - good cheese was never cheap. [14:15]
mircea_popescu mimolette exists because the dutch imported cheese was TOO EXPENSIVE. and about half the respected cheeses exist for similar reasons. [14:15]
ascii_field this process continued in usa to its logical conclusion [14:16]
ascii_field petro-cheese. [14:16]
mircea_popescu aha. [14:16]
mircea_popescu note that both spreading and eating works. so there is that. [14:16]
ascii_field one time, pet went on a visit to a household in the middle states where they habitually ate petrocheese [14:17]
ascii_field these folks actually do not recognize the real thing as 'cheese' [14:17]
ascii_field and yes, 'spreading - works!11111' [14:17]
* mircea_popescu took canned tuna afficionado out for fresh tuna, "what is this" [14:17]
mircea_popescu tuna [14:17]
mircea_popescu "but it tastes like seafood" [14:17]
ascii_field there are ru emigres in usa who habitually ate tinned food sold for cat, not out of poverty, but because it seemed entirely logical that quality canned fish ought to have a picture of a cat on the tin, and tastes just like the other cans [14:19]
mircea_popescu ahaha [14:19]
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mircea_popescu honestly, i am a bit puzzled by all these dancing pigs and excited chicks used to market animal flesh. [14:20]
mircea_popescu wouldn't it be more logical to have wolves and foxes on the packaging ? [14:20]
mircea_popescu or what is the idea, the pig appreciates HIS OWN TASTE ? [14:20]
ascii_field and the smiling infants on 'baby food' [14:20]
mircea_popescu no, that i can see. [14:20]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: a 1990 issue of su 'наука и жизнь' had a letter to the editor concerning this meme, freshly introduced to su [14:21]
ascii_field where beloved cartoon characters were printed on tins of infant food [14:21]
ascii_field 'my son cried, he did not want to eat winny pooh!' [14:21]
mircea_popescu lol [14:21]
mircea_popescu "don't cry, baby, it's not winny pooh, it's just his guts." [14:22]
mircea_popescu !s bambi's mom [14:22]
ascii_field 'he perished with honour' [14:22]
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* ascii_field if he were tlp, might say something re: 'pig appreciates his own taste, in america' [14:27]
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punkman [14:30]
assbot After 62 years, Playboy will no longer feature pictures of naked women - Quartz ... ( ) [14:31]
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punkman "The company now makes most of its money from licensing its ubiquitous brand and logo across the world — 40 percent of that business is in China even though the magazine is not available there — for bath products, fragrances, clothing, liquor and jewelry among other merchandise. Nudity in the magazine risks complaints from shoppers, and diminished distribution." [14:32]
* ascii_field astonished that it still existed ! [14:32]
ascii_field but this is no more and no less astonishing than when, e.g., ibm ceased to build computers [14:33]
mircea_popescu i thought the whole thing hustler did was that playboy didn't have cunt in it so flint put cunt in hustler. [14:33]
mircea_popescu anywya. the migration of old porn brands towards softcore and then bedroom, bath ^ beyond is inevitable. [14:34]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: iirc it had 'cunt with the safety on' [14:34]
mircea_popescu howssat ? virgins ? [14:36]
ascii_field panties [14:36]
* mircea_popescu has never actually bought any opf these. [14:36]
* ascii_field has never even ~seen~ printed, dead-tree porn outside of an antiquarian book shop [14:36]
mircea_popescu well... i grew up in yurp. the swiss pronz was great. [14:37]
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pete_dushenski << diatomaceous earth (silica dioxide) is also regularly used for roaches, ants, etc. [14:40]
assbot Logged on 13-10-2015 03:15:13; mircea_popescu: thjat's why borax gets them. it scratches their carpace, they lose water. [14:40]
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pete_dushenski at least in this part of the world [14:40]
pete_dushenski << pgp public key block added. previously just had link to 'sks'. [14:48]
assbot Contact | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( ) [14:48]
mircea_popescu did ytou get it from sks or export locally ? [14:50]
pete_dushenski export locally [14:50]
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mircea_popescu cool. [14:54]
pete_dushenski can someone explain to me why pgp public key blocks appear to differ while resulting in the same public key being imported ? are differenct hash algorithms being used ? [14:57]
pete_dushenski eg. != locally exported public key block above [14:58]
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pete_dushenski wtf notfound [14:58]
pete_dushenski << this then. [14:59]
assbot Public Key Server -- Get "0x165749929f9a6bdd " ... ( ) [14:59]
pete_dushenski don't ask me where '' came from when i linked from btcalpha. funny lookin' thing. [15:00]
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pete_dushenski bbias [15:01]
punkman pete_dushenski: try gpg --list-packets --verbose to see what's different [15:01]
ascii_field pete_dushenski is gonna love this: [15:02]
ascii_field [15:02]
assbot dpaste: 0ZJRBQD: legit.asc ... ( ) [15:02]
assbot dpaste: 2F8P1K6: mit.asc ... ( ) [15:02]
assbot dpaste: 3JJYZZW: sks.ask ... ( ) [15:02]
mircea_popescu god damned already. [15:02]
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mircea_popescu !up ascii_field [15:03]
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-assbot- You voiced ascii_field for another 30 minutes. [15:03]
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ascii_field ahahahaha [15:03]
mircea_popescu and notice that publishing a self-signed pubkey doth not help anything. [15:03]
ascii_field how would it. [15:04]
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ascii_field sks and mit - identical [15:04]
punkman so it throws out main key preferences? [15:08]
ascii_field pete_dushenski, mircea_popescu, et al: [15:09]
assbot sks diddle - Imgur ... ( ) [15:09]
punkman oh wait, it adds a second signature packet for main key [15:10]
ascii_field assuming pete_dushenski did not upload this himself [15:10]
ascii_field and then forgot [15:10]
mircea_popescu o.O [15:10]
mircea_popescu da fuck is this then. [15:11]
punkman is it a cert signature from soneone else? [15:12]
mircea_popescu punkman the yellow part, could be. the changed mod in gray down at the bottom tho [15:12]
mircea_popescu that looks just like how an attack would look. [15:13]
punkman yeah that's a sig from "sig sig3 8CD06AFD 2015-02-22 2019-02-22 __________ Adam O'Brien " [15:14]
ascii_field looks like a sig, yes [15:15]
ascii_field how did it get into his pubkey though [15:15]
ascii_field sks plops it in without asking ? [15:15]
mircea_popescu cuz guy signed it and updated it [15:15]
punkman yeah so you get wot sigs when you grab a key from the keyserver [15:15]
punkman is the bottom part changed because some subpackets got rearranged? [15:16]
ascii_field lulzy, but come to think of it, i remember discovering this in phuctor [15:16]
punkman I dunno how that'd work though [15:16]
punkman I wonder how pete ended up with sha512 on his self signatures [15:17]
mircea_popescu i don't see how a sub's mod woulkd change because of the packet order. [15:18]
ascii_field it's a sig [15:18]
ascii_field not a sub [15:19]
ascii_field that'd be how. [15:19]
mircea_popescu o it is isn't it [15:19]
mircea_popescu mk [15:19]
mircea_popescu dumbass "subkey" nonsense makes this 10x as difficult to audit as it should be. [15:19]
ascii_field c'mon, 'm^d mod n' printed right there [15:19]
ascii_field but mircea_popescu has it. [15:19]
mircea_popescu yeah well it's printed right there, sure, in a sea of other shit printed right there. i did not see it. [15:20]
mircea_popescu i don't claim to be a fucking code eagle. i claim to live in a world where i don't have to be. [15:20]
* ascii_field saw, but 'not from a good life', has looked at a great many of these. [15:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31200 @ 0.00047655 = 14.8684 BTC [-] {2} [15:24]
mircea_popescu anyway, pete_dushenski : someone (o'brien) signed your key and uploaded it to one of the servers. the result is a different pubkey there. [15:24]
ascii_field ask him why in room 101. [15:25]
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pete_dushenski back [15:31]
ascii_field mega-l0l, sign key 1,000,000,000,001 times, upload... [15:32]
mircea_popescu i BET you someone somewhere has a dusted hdd full of various payloads to be thus employed. [15:32]
pete_dushenski i just noticed that o'brien signed my key the other week. though i've yet to ask him why. [15:32]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: who needs dusty payloads, /dev/random [15:33]
mircea_popescu well you want to exploit the necessary overflow. [15:33]
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mircea_popescu !up ascii_field [15:33]
-assbot- You voiced ascii_field for 30 minutes. [15:33]
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ascii_field if overflow, then definitely. [15:33]
ascii_field i'd be surprised if anybody tested it above 4GB [15:33]
mircea_popescu aha. or tested it in general. [15:34]
mircea_popescu if foss, then overflow. definitely. [15:34]
* pete_dushenski wonders if there's a way to 'unsign' keys. assumes not. [15:34]
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* ascii_field would have said 'no one will load a 4GB turd without noticing' but said this about 4MB trojans in 'visual basic', and was wrong [15:35]
mircea_popescu no, because the logical way to do this is make keys outside of hte control of their owners. because logic. [15:35]
pete_dushenski right. [15:35]
mircea_popescu ascii_field given the wonders of bzip, it's not even sure it has to actually be that big. [15:35]
mircea_popescu on the dld pass at least. [15:36]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: see also [15:36]
assbot Logged on 24-09-2015 03:23:11; asciilifeform: another annoyance is the inclusion of zlib. [15:36]
mircea_popescu what's 4 gb worth of 0s zip to ? fifty kb ? [15:36]
ascii_field a few dozen bts [15:36]
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mircea_popescu phd paper for insta-nsa-ship : "how to make hash output periodic so that it zips well" [15:37]
ascii_field ok which one of you wants to be the victim [15:39]
pete_dushenski coincidentally to this bit of strange, i finally moved mr. o'brien off of 'apple mail' 'pgp'... last week. [15:40]
pete_dushenski with auto-decrypt, auto-encrypt, auto-sign, blah blah [15:40]
mircea_popescu so that's p[rolly why he signed your key. it's reasonable, he has to have a copy of it on his system [15:40]
mircea_popescu might as well upload it. [15:40]
pete_dushenski quite possibly. [15:42]
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ascii_field i'll repeat the question [15:44]
ascii_field who wants to be the victim [15:44]
ascii_field of sks turdcannon 1.0 [15:45]
mircea_popescu shall we repeat the silence ? [15:45]
mircea_popescu do it to fucking julia. [15:45]
ascii_field now we need a julia [15:45]
pete_dushenski tourianski ? [15:46]
mircea_popescu ima set up a key on my game dedicated box in a few hours if no better solution. [15:47]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski not unless she goes around meadows stripping nude in one gesture. [15:47]
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pete_dushenski ;;later tell JuliaTourianski_ feel like stripping in a meadow ? it's for science. [15:50]
gribble The operation succeeded. [15:50]
pete_dushenski off for a spell. will talk to o'brien this week. fuckin pgp... [15:52]
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shinohai [15:53]
assbot Cryptotechnology Beyond Prohibition: An Interview with Bitruble Project Managers | ForkLog ... ( ) [15:53]
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BingoBoingo << Nah, in old playboy the "safety" was bush [16:36]
assbot Logged on 13-10-2015 17:36:10; ascii_field: panties [16:36]
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mircea_popescu "I was about to pull the covers up, and she looks at me and says, "Daddy, are all doctors daddies and all nurses mommies?" [16:45]
mircea_popescu Here we go, I think. [16:45]
mircea_popescu [16:45]
mircea_popescu Maybe you think this is a simple yes or no question, but it's not, everything becomes strategy. How I answer this will affect the rest of her life, how she'll answer her own questions and set goals and limits for herself. This is a scrimmage to teach her position. Am I smart enough as a parent? Am I ready? [16:45]
mircea_popescu I've mentally practiced this moment, and dozens others like it. For some I even have a script. I know how I want her to think, to make decisions for herself free of outside influences. The trick is how to teach her that, how to make it part of the way she thinks, reflexive." [16:45]
mircea_popescu bwhahahaha [16:45]
mircea_popescu and the beauty is, the guy is COMPLETELY OBLIVIOUS. [16:45]
mircea_popescu brightest fucking psych mind in america, best blog i ever read, [16:45]
mircea_popescu and yet... [16:46]
mircea_popescu "I know how I want her to think, to make decisions for herself free of outside influences." [16:46]
mircea_popescu best in fucking class. [16:46]
mircea_popescu "bitch, get over here." yes massah. "here's how you gonna think free of outside influences. got that ?" yes massah. [16:46]
mircea_popescu go me, i just won all the ballas parenting points, and the bitch ain't even my daughter. [16:47]
ascii_field ' the room would be empty!' [16:48]
mircea_popescu see, this is the problem with l;iving over there. [16:48]
mircea_popescu in the end, it does not matter how smart you personally are. [16:48]
mircea_popescu spends 500 posts lambasting "narcisism" in others, proceeds to " How I answer this will affect the rest of her life". because why ? [16:49]
mircea_popescu the biological sign of success as a parent is that your kids couldn't give less of a shit about you. that's how maturity works. look at any fucking mammal out there. [16:50]
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mircea_popescu "o no, people are better than you know, species" whyssat ? "because we got narcisism". well done. [16:51]
BingoBoingo !up ascii_field [16:58]
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jurov !b 5 [17:21]
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mircea_popescu jurov almost done with slag. how's mining ? [17:22]
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jurov too many tinies [17:23]
mircea_popescu ha. need teh bot for that huh. [17:23]
ascii_field ok who'll be the victim [17:24]
ascii_field the gun - is ready [17:25]
ascii_field or shall i simply post the latter. [17:25]
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mircea_popescu mk ima go make a sig [17:28]
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mircea_popescu ascii_field 902E0A937E00F2F84D1B73703572C40F85C5B2F7 [17:35]
mircea_popescu !up ascii_field [17:35]
-assbot- You voiced ascii_field for 30 minutes. [17:35]
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ascii_field mircea_popescu: didja upload it ? [17:35]
mircea_popescu ya [17:35]
mircea_popescu jurov come and get it. [17:35]
ascii_field not turning up [17:36]
ascii_field [17:36]
assbot No results found [17:36]
mircea_popescu well if it doesn't pop in half hour ima... what ? give you the pubkey ? [17:37]
ascii_field where did you upload? [17:37]
mircea_popescu all of em [17:38]
ascii_field hm. [17:38]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: how about this - [17:40]
assbot ... ( ) [17:40]
ascii_field fire the weapon yourself. [17:40]
ascii_field (goes without saying, don't run on a box where pgp is used for anything else. it will strain your rng to all hell) [17:41]
mike_c you missed the 0x [17:44]
mike_c [17:44]
assbot Search results for '0x902e0a937e00f2f84d1b73703572c40f85c5b2f7' ... ( ) [17:44]
mike_c all the spells must be recited with the proper intonation [17:44]
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ascii_field l0l [17:44]
ascii_field << here we go [17:49]
assbot Search results for '0x3572c40f85c5b2f7' ... ( ) [17:49]
ascii_field fired with n=1000 [17:49]
mircea_popescu alright so now i what, import it ? [17:49]
ascii_field just look at it. [17:49]
mircea_popescu ... [17:49]
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mircea_popescu what's that gonna do. [17:49]
ascii_field bloat. [17:49]
mircea_popescu i thought you were testing if the gpg crashes. [17:49]
ascii_field it may or may not, but not for 1000 ! [17:50]
mircea_popescu i had no idea we actually need to verify it bloats. [17:50]
ascii_field just testing basic principle [17:50]
mircea_popescu alright. [17:50]
mircea_popescu iirc it was agreed that once we have a proper server these will crash and burn because well. [17:51]
mike_c yeah, that is pretty annoying though. it's now a 200k public key.. [17:51]
mike_c *200kb [17:51]
mircea_popescu should be interesting to see media reports about the obama's preteen whore key. [17:52]
jurov O exchanges gpgrams with whores? [17:53]
ascii_field now mircea_popescu, find a fast machine with hardware rng and run n = 21474837. then, shoot it into ... [17:53]
mircea_popescu apparently. [17:53]
mircea_popescu i read it in the atlantic so it must be true. [17:53]
ascii_field prolly will need a few days of runtime. [17:53]
mircea_popescu ascii_field *I* am to find machine with hardware rng ? [17:53]
mike_c plus, some kinda DOS on any service that imports keys from a keyserver [17:53]
mircea_popescu i thought YOU MANUFACTURED THESE [17:54]
ascii_field aha [17:54]
ascii_field but walrus! [17:54]
mike_c bloat keys to high hell, make service download and choke on them. [17:54]
mircea_popescu prolly smarter to do once we actually have one. [17:54]
mircea_popescu that's correctly implemented. [17:54]
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ascii_field it won't surprise me if this brings down sks as a thing. [17:55]
ben_vulpes ascii_field: pick me pick me [17:56]
ascii_field ben_vulpes: we already picked julia ! [17:56]
ben_vulpes i hafta nuke this keyset anyways. [17:56]
ascii_field waiwat [17:56]
ben_vulpes subkeys. i hear they're no good. [17:57]
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mircea_popescu why rage !? [17:58]
ben_vulpes what'd i miss? [17:58]
* ben_vulpes suspects mike_c thinks that i'm not thinking for myself [17:59]
ascii_field ben_vulpes: you missed a quick demonstration of a factoid everyone already knew [17:59]
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ascii_field (that anyone can take an arbitrarily-massive shit into sks) [17:59]
ben_vulpes that one can kill the sks? [17:59]
mircea_popescu ok this is the most insane thing i ever saw. so plumber, looks like he escaped comicon or something, dorkiest dude ever. but THEN he proceeds to CUT THROUGH METAL PLATE FREEHAND [18:00]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: what's so odd about that ? [18:01]
mircea_popescu by which i mean : he has a handheld powertool in one hand, and a four inch metal plate in the other hand, and he's cutting a shape out of it [18:01]
ben_vulpes laugh if you will but i attempted this as a wee one [18:01]
mircea_popescu what's odd about that is if i go "boo!" suddenly ima have to repaint two walls. [18:01]
ascii_field oh oh [18:01]
punkman if you wanna have more fun, make packet that triggers;a=commit;h=11fdfcf82bd8d2b5bc38292a29876e10770f4b0a [18:01]
assbot Git - gnupg.git/commit ... ( ) [18:01]
ben_vulpes some kind soul took pity on me and gave me their acetylene torch [18:02]
ben_vulpes thereby igniting a whole poorly advised career [18:02]
mircea_popescu lmao [18:02]
ascii_field punkman: lulzy, i recall this [18:02]
ben_vulpes Recent changes to the Division Clinton neighborhood have come at the expense of long time residents. With each new change, residents raise their concerns, only to be ignored. Then when the undesirable outcome materializes, the city proposes yet another change that further damages our quality of life. It was evident, when traffic and development projects came to Division, that these would result in more congestion along Clinton. Yet [18:04]
ben_vulpes those policies were pushed through. The biggest obstacle to safe biking on Clinton is the excess of parked cars. Will the new parking policies still under discussion help to address this? It seems like Clinton Street should be the number one priority for parking permits and removal of nonresident cars (including those coming from all the new multifamily development). This would be a better restriction than imposing more impediments on [18:04]
ben_vulpes local long-time residents ability to move around our neighborhood–it has become difficult enough, already! [18:04]
ben_vulpes ah it's hilarious [18:04]
ben_vulpes the "get the state involved to fix the states own mistakes" thing needs a doing. again. [18:05]
mircea_popescu i vote for this idea [18:05]
ben_vulpes i vote for wine! [18:05]
mircea_popescu what protected class is this "long time resident" thing anyway ? [18:05]
mircea_popescu who the fuck cares how long youy been there ? [18:05]
ascii_field waiwut [18:05]
ascii_field what even was this [18:05]
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ben_vulpes those long term residents actually can predict the problems statal intervention will result in. [18:06]
mircea_popescu sounds like a good reason to hang them eh. [18:06]
ben_vulpes just price 'em out, replace with dumber fucks [18:07]
mircea_popescu any ustard that lives in the same place for more than five years is a failure anyway [18:07]
mircea_popescu isnt the country supposed to be upwards mobile ? [18:07]
ascii_field l0l that's in ru-vhs-usa [18:07]
ascii_field not the one i live in [18:08]
mircea_popescu ok, upwards alabama then [18:08]
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ben_vulpes raaa [18:09]
ben_vulpes RAAA [18:09]
mircea_popescu ... [18:09]
ascii_field .?. [18:09]
mircea_popescu i think maybe he got the joke. [18:09]
jurov ben_vulpes' computer caught fire [18:10]
mircea_popescu he cut it freehand with an electric toothbrush [18:10]
ascii_field see, i assumed 'freehand' == hacksaw [18:10]
mircea_popescu no, that's freetime [18:10]
ascii_field but perhaps mircea_popescu witnessed the famous and respected hero, Angle Grinder Man [18:10]
mircea_popescu i had not [18:11]
ascii_field [18:11]
assbot BBC NEWS | UK | England | 'Superhero' takes on clampers ... ( ) [18:11]
ben_vulpes i never understood why he used the extremely obvious and needing-of-power grinder instead of a torch [18:11]
ben_vulpes probably because blighty [18:11]
ascii_field ben_vulpes: torch is bulky [18:11]
ascii_field you can get li battery powered grinders [18:11]
ascii_field and grinder may be loud, but you aren't robbing bank at night [18:12]
ascii_field you're sawing in the middle of the day, in a busy town [18:12]
jurov and prolly he wasn't paying for the grinder plates [18:13]
BingoBoingo ok, upwards alabama then << That one is pronounced Mo-Bee-le [18:14]
ascii_field next he will tell us it isn't 'kensaw' [18:15]
ascii_field (or r-kansas...) [18:15]
BingoBoingo lol [18:16]
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pete_dushenski BingoBoingo you've got 'qntsideration' mail [18:32]
pete_dushenski cazalla too [18:32]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: I got it in que [18:33]
pete_dushenski aha [18:33]
pete_dushenski cheers [18:33]
deedbot- [Qntra] AP: Hilary Clinton Horrible Sysadmin, Had RDP Open - [18:35]
pete_dushenski ;;ticker [18:35]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 250.26, Best ask: 250.3, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 250.18, 24 hour volume: 16433.21336409, 24 hour low: 244.0, 24 hour high: 253.43, 24 hour vwap: None [18:35]
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BingoBoingo !up ascii_field [18:37]
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BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [18:37]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 249.78, vol: 26182.14431006 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 245.676, vol: 8878.11868 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 250.3, vol: 16433.21336409 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 259.5, vol: 8.33122595 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 254.266018, vol: 33893.64930000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 249.0, vol: 106.98229745 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 251.47588861, vol: 47.97596527 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) [18:37]
BingoBoingo ;;more [18:37]
gribble 251.232195033 [18:37]
deedbot- [Qntra] Uber Provides Alibi for Armed Robbery - [18:38]
BingoBoingo Comment lol [18:46]
assbot Wayland Ported To DragonFlyBSD - Slashdot ... ( ) [18:46]
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ascii_field 'You have the fucking time to fuck shit up. That is what you are saying. Most normal people on nights and weekends fuck their significant others, go to parks with the kids and enjoy life. But you spend your nights and weekends writing dog shit that fucks up my weeks. We are paid to fix the damage you do.' << mega-winner [18:47]
ascii_field worth reading whole thing. [18:47]
BingoBoingo " [18:47]
BingoBoingo Its too bad, in some way we, the normal people who do good things for ourselves and our customers and our employers, really have better job security with breaking fuckheads like you around. But I want to have our computers spend time you know curing cancer or designing a fusion reactor and doing useful shit rather than cleaning up after your dog shit" [18:47]
trinque GNU/Faggot no warranties expressed or implied in your fucking shit software << ahahaha yes [18:48]
BingoBoingo It's the rare actually interesting new comment on /. that isn't copypasta [18:48]
BingoBoingo Just in case [18:48]
assbot Wayland Ported To DragonFlyBSD - Slashdot ... ( ) [18:48]
ascii_field incidentally, [18:49]
assbot Logged on 26-02-2015 21:09:34; asciilifeform: PeterL: most 'alternatives for x11' dispense with the everything-can-be-piped-over-tcp [18:49]
ascii_field FUCK this-replaces-x11-but-won't-pipe-over-tcp [18:49]
ascii_field yes, i get it, they want winblowz, gui-in-the-kernel crapolade [18:51]
punkman why should I want pipe x11 over tcp? [18:52]
BingoBoingo I like the irony of new graphicx stax requires X11 to run on top of in this port [18:52]
ascii_field punkman: you - no idea [18:52]
ascii_field punkman: me - i insist on it. [18:52]
ascii_field and WILL FUCKING INSIST [18:52]
ascii_field because i run proggy on machines connected by networks, what a concept [18:53]
ascii_field and want the graphics on local terminal [18:53]
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ascii_field and no, not a FUCKING REMOTE DESKTOP [18:53]
ascii_field but for it to look THE SAME as if it were running local [18:53]
ascii_field x11 gives me this. [18:53]
ascii_field various 'shitlands' - no. [18:53]
punkman but there are other tools that can pipe the graphics over tcp, no? [18:53]
ascii_field no. [18:54]
ascii_field not in a generally applicable to everything way. [18:54]
ascii_field as it is, i can take x11 proggy and the result is ~indistinguishable~ from running it locally. [18:55]
mircea_popescu da fuck is all this. [18:55]
ascii_field glyphs, 'clipboard', viewport shape, the lot. [18:55]
mircea_popescu who told random usg tard that he is qualified to "cure cancer" or even get out of bed at all when he can't even run a clean system ? [18:55]
mircea_popescu what's this, worth through self-delusion ? [18:55]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: i haven't any idea who wrote the linked text. but clearly it is someone fed up with having to shovel the shit to create his local 'clean'. [18:56]
mircea_popescu mkay. [18:57]
mircea_popescu why is he using source he doesn't control from people he doesn't know ; and why does he imagine doing this is different from being on windows. [18:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48300 @ 0.00047481 = 22.9333 BTC [-] {5} [18:57]
BingoBoingo why is he using source he doesn't control from people he doesn't know ; and why does he imagine doing this is different from being on windows. << Probably because Job [18:58]
mircea_popescu bitcoind is frozen on 0.5.x ; gpg is frozen on 1.4.x ; eulora is frozen in cs dependencies on X Y Z. guess why ? [18:58]
ascii_field because the alternative is sitting on a sharp broomstick ? [18:58]
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mircea_popescu no it's not. [18:58]
BingoBoingo !up btcdrak [18:58]
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ascii_field poor wild man controls nothing. what's he to use ? [18:58]
ascii_field from whom ? [18:58]
mircea_popescu but yes the alternative is giving up the delusion that derp belongs to a civilisation he once saw through a window. [18:58]
mircea_popescu FUCK THE POOR [18:58]
mircea_popescu the poor have no fucking rights to pretend like they're people. [18:58]
mircea_popescu you want to be people, don't be poor. [18:59]
ascii_field easier said, than done. [18:59]
* ascii_field still not people. [18:59]
shinohai ^ [18:59]
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mircea_popescu ascii_field and do you go "shit honey, check out our place, there's like... not even any chocolate fountain here" ? [18:59]
mircea_popescu "im unhappy and displeased" [18:59]
ascii_field 'nah that's a geysering shitpipe, not chocolate' [19:00]
mircea_popescu because that's what i fucking read in there. "i'm poor and where's my chocolate fountain." [19:00]
mircea_popescu he wants to CURE CANCER ? [19:00]
mircea_popescu no cancer would even return his texts. [19:00]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: it is general-purpose american shorthand for 'something productive and cpu-bound' [19:00]
mircea_popescu no. [19:00]
mircea_popescu it is ustard proxy for "i can do anything" [19:01]
mircea_popescu no, you can't. [19:01]
ascii_field 'but my cpu can!' [19:01]
mircea_popescu you can't do anything, ands you wouldn't know what to do on your own either. this is what being poor means [19:01]
ascii_field poor schmuck prolly used to 'folding-at-home' etc. [19:01]
shinohai Perhaps my time would be better spent complaining less, and learning how chocolate fountains work. [19:01]
mircea_popescu not "not having money" [19:01]
mircea_popescu being poor = too dumb to put your shoes on, by yourself. [19:01]
ascii_field we have a more specific term, некультурный [19:01]
mircea_popescu is the last line in that rant "i'm so sick of you losers i'm going to go find a master to sleep at the feet of" ? [19:02]
mircea_popescu because if it isn't, fuck him. [19:02]
ascii_field (has very little, if anything, to do with money. can be it while having a billion) [19:02]
mircea_popescu "having" [19:03]
mircea_popescu under a certain level, the money'[s actually smarter than you. [19:03]
ascii_field aha. [19:03]
mircea_popescu i never knew i could equally hate both sides of a "debate" to the degree. [19:07]
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mircea_popescu fucking ustards. everything they touch turns to shit both ways. it's like... a bunch of monkeys that invaded a temple, and now not only is everything covered in shit but you gotta listen to arguments in between the set of monkeys that believes in throwing the shit at the walls and the set of monkeys that believes in gently unctioning it on. [19:08]
mircea_popescu fucking hell you're all monkeys and you'd look so much better in quihabs i can't even describe it. [19:08]
mircea_popescu the "males" especially. [19:08]
mircea_popescu !up ascii_field [19:09]
-assbot- You voiced ascii_field for 30 minutes. [19:09]
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ascii_field there is no temple. [19:09]
ascii_field perhaps there was in 1995. [19:10]
ascii_field today there is just a hut with walls made of straw & monkey shit. [19:10]
ascii_field labeled 'temple.' [19:10]
mircea_popescu don't give me that, i had computers that worked back when i was playing golden axe on them. [19:10]
ascii_field aha, 1995 ! [19:10]
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mircea_popescu didja ever finish that ? [19:11]
ascii_field sadly not. [19:11]
jurov to think that ibm pc was universally reviled like today systemd [19:11]
ascii_field jurov: i still revile it [19:11]
mircea_popescu ascii_field it had a solo mode remember that ? like, not the proper campaign, just a sort of duel chain. [19:11]
ascii_field yes! [19:11]
mircea_popescu the LAST item was TWO gold knight guys [19:11]
mircea_popescu once i managed to defeat them. [19:11]
mircea_popescu and... the game hung. [19:11]
* ascii_field takes off hat [19:12]
mircea_popescu my first overflow [19:12]
mircea_popescu which i shall never forget. [19:12]
mircea_popescu how far did you get ? the two laughing fat dudes with hammers ? [19:12]
mircea_popescu the two chicks on silver dragon/velociraptors ? [19:12]
ascii_field definitely past the hammers [19:13]
mircea_popescu ya those weren't terribly hard, kinda slow. [19:13]
mircea_popescu the short guy right ? with the axe ? [19:13]
ascii_field not hard. but my attention span was. and this was the time we finally got net access. [19:13]
ascii_field in unrelated lulz, [19:14]
ascii_field [19:15]
assbot Bugat Botnet Administrator Arrested and Malware Disabled | OPA | Department of Justice ... ( ) [19:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13966 @ 0.00047387 = 6.6181 BTC [-] [19:15]
pete_dushenski "Twitter has said it is cutting 336 jobs, roughly 8% of its global workforce, as part of a restructuring of the business. The job cuts will cost between $10m (£6.5m) and $20m in severance pay, while the restructuring will cost between $5m and $15m, the company said." << sex sells. except when it's a platform for sex. [19:16]
mircea_popescu heh [19:16]
ascii_field the real question is why did they need 4200 employees ?! [19:16]
ascii_field what did they ~do~ [19:17]
punkman shoveling aforementioned shit [19:17]
punkman and probably a bunch of them trying to sell ads [19:18]
ascii_field ;;calc 10000000/336.0 [19:18]
gribble 29761.9047619 [19:18]
ascii_field mega-severance... [19:18]
mircea_popescu mostly going to conferences, selling adds, trying to hire more derps in fucktarded locations [19:18]
mircea_popescu think bitpay x 100 which is exactly what it was. [19:18]
mircea_popescu and i do mean EXACTLY. [19:18]
mircea_popescu it's not like a large rock is more complex than a smaller rock. they're rocks. exactly the same thing. [19:19]
* ascii_field bbl [19:24]
mircea_popescu 30k is not really notable. that's about 6 months pay (taxes apply to severance too you know) [19:24]
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pete_dushenski "[Volkswagen] investments are to be reduced by some one billion euros per year, the efficiency program is to be accelerated." << never waste a good crisis. adios unionistas. [20:03]
mircea_popescu heh [20:05]
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mircea_popescu <<< if any gnuplot experts in audience would kindly improve on the script tyvm in advance. [20:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.000478 = 3.107 BTC [+] [20:16]
punkman [20:24]
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mircea_popescu lol [20:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17225 @ 0.000478 = 8.2336 BTC [+] [20:34]
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pete_dushenski "One London-based startup, called Everledger, is developing blockchain tools for the diamond industry, designed to log information on ethical sourcing, insurance claims, and theft investigations, associated with detailed digital descriptions of the valuable stones. CEO Leanne Kemp: "You would be able to identify whether those diamonds are truly certified or not certified," " << so like deedbot but less useful so [20:41]
pete_dushenski set to be buried by useless piles of vc crud. good riddance. [20:41]
pete_dushenski !up gabriel_laddel [20:42]
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gabriel_laddel ty. [20:42]
pete_dushenski "As far as Overstock, which has said it plans to offer blockchain-recorded securities to a wider audience, Byrne says the company’s had productive talks with the agency so far. "I think," he says, "that they’re gonna let the crypto-revolution occur." " << oh pleeeease let it occur. with sugar on top. [20:42]
mircea_popescu who the fuck gives a shit about "sourcing" of diamonds outside a very cultish narrow segment of bored middle class art majors/social scientards ? [20:42]
mircea_popescu and who the fuck told these that a "blockchain technologee" works when a centrally controlled group like that is the only thing interested ? [20:43]
pete_dushenski buzzword+feelings(+ponzi)=profit [20:43]
mircea_popescu let me guess, if tomorrow the USG Comissar uh i mean Czar In Charge Of What This Particular Set Of Idle Fucktards Thinks says that the blockchain impedes great justice and should be edited so and so to promote "fairness" they'll... oppose ? resist ? [20:44]
mircea_popescu out of what, their rotten ovaries ? [20:44]
mircea_popescu "it's a blockchain in excel on Sarah's computer" [20:44]
pete_dushenski it sorta lulzy how the usg actually has 'czar of xyz' [20:44]
mircea_popescu go home. [20:44]
pete_dushenski as if this somehow made them more transparent and accountable [20:45]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski it was intended as "ironic" usage, originally. [20:45]
mircea_popescu like all attempts at humor by the mentally stunted libertard class, it backfired something fierce. [20:45]
pete_dushenski shark was jump'ed [20:45]
gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: are you aware of any molecules with symmetries like [6,6] chiralane? [20:46]
pete_dushenski jumpèd << more shakespearian still [20:46]
pete_dushenski ;;nethash [20:46]
gribble 419034669.746 [20:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7381 @ 0.000478 = 3.5281 BTC [+] [20:57]
BingoBoingo In other news, apparently reddit has had its own drug market for some time [21:01]
assbot over 18? ... ( ) [21:01]
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mircea_popescu steroids are still legal otc right ? [21:10]
mircea_popescu or notrly [21:10]
BingoBoingo In USia schedule III controlled, but because hippies dun like them rarely prosecuted outside of sports [21:11]
BingoBoingo Also Maybe VW really was evil: "If you're concerned about such estrogens, you may want to maintain a safe distance from trucks on the highway. That's because of research findings that diesel-fuel exhaust contains chemicals called alkylphenols, which interact with cellular estrogen receptors to exert potent estrogenic activity.3 Diesel exhaust particles have previously been linked to lung cancer, allergic rhinitis and asthma." [21:12]
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mircea_popescu aha [21:13]
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BingoBoingo Basically one of those US laws that helps Mexico's economy at the expense of its own [21:13]
mircea_popescu i thought pharma was mostly india [21:13]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo wrapped in nafta shell, usually [21:13]
BingoBoingo Pharma mostly is, bu someone's gotta get the money at retail [21:13]
mircea_popescu tru [21:14]
BingoBoingo Steroids are the one US controlled class of drugs safer to get off of derpy website than derpy darknet market in the popular opinion [21:15]
pete_dushenski and yes, diesel exhaust fumes are gnarly. long reported to diminish quality of urban air quality. but reports were dismissed as not being 'politically correct' so not really that true. like led lightbulbs. [21:16]
pete_dushenski -1 quality [21:16]
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pete_dushenski so is vw evil for finding a loophole ? [21:16]
pete_dushenski are bankers and their dark derivative pools evil for doing the same ? [21:17]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: No, VW is evil for pumping estrogenic chemicals in the air and cultivating SJWhales [21:17]
mircea_popescu yes, not doing what fucktard club expects you to do = individuality = evil. [21:17]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo which they couldn't have done if 'carbon' wasn't the only thing idjits cared about [21:18]
pete_dushenski 'co2/km' to be more accurate [21:18]
mircea_popescu i still don't even know wtf they mean by "carbon" [21:18]
mircea_popescu is it actually carbon dioxide and they just dunno what side their ass is buttered on ? [21:18]
pete_dushenski it's this metric and this alone that allowed diesels into the 21st century. outside of farms. [21:18]
BingoBoingo Diesel's kinda always been one of those things that's cool when you have it and sucks when other people do [21:19]
punkman mircea_popescu: co2 yes [21:19]
mircea_popescu but how do you know this punkman ? [21:19]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo not THAT cool to have, is it ? [21:19]
mircea_popescu i mean, not disputing for a second it seems like a reasonable interpretation of their verbiage. the problem is that it's the verbiage of patently insae folk. [21:19]
mircea_popescu for all you know they mean nitric acid. [21:19]
pete_dushenski or methane [21:20]
mircea_popescu maybe they mean "any gas with specific gravity over 28" [21:20]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Sure it is. Diesel 1977 Hilux with half the body rusted off > Aluminum gasoline F-150 King Ranch [21:20]
pete_dushenski what're you, isis ? [21:20]
mircea_popescu no srsly, all cars i owed back when i owed any were pretty much diesel. [21:21]
punkman mircea_popescu: well sure, the derps might not know what "carbon" actually refers to [21:21]
mircea_popescu 90s is what made the diesel possible. meanwhile oil refineries kicked it out [21:21]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Fine, Diesel Chevy Kodiak dressed like a car is cooler than gasoline truck, even when diesel truck dressed liek a car carries Obola [21:21]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo the presidental gmc. aha. [21:22]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu how did refineries kick out diesel ? [21:22]
pete_dushenski or why ? [21:22]
mircea_popescu you understand what diesel runs of right ? [21:22]
mircea_popescu off* [21:22]
pete_dushenski hm. not really. [21:23]
mircea_popescu yeah. ok. all fuel is produced through fractional distillation of oil. [21:23]
pete_dushenski ah this, yes. [21:23]
mircea_popescu this is exactly what it sounds like : oil is a mix of carbohydrates, you sort this by mass and cut it into slices. [21:23]
mircea_popescu specific technological considerations i am not prepared to discuss in detail made so there was a huge and apparently stable glut of diesel fuel on the market. [21:24]
mircea_popescu this lasted for almost 3 decades, peaking in the 90s. [21:24]
mircea_popescu it's gone now, mostly because newer refineries slice the column differently [21:24]
pete_dushenski diesel is one of the heavier layers iirc [21:24]
mircea_popescu (basically, you're burnhing the diesel as gasoline and have no fucking idea) [21:25]
mircea_popescu well, heavier than gas yes. [21:25]
mircea_popescu so really, it's a case of derps follow technology while pretending to lend it. [21:25]
mircea_popescu if the glut continued, it'd be "fuck you and sniff diesel". [21:25]
mircea_popescu once the thing resolved they can hate diesel or beg for it, it's done. [21:25]
mircea_popescu pretending to lead it* [21:26]
mircea_popescu for that matter, retarded buffalo survival hunters imagined trhey're "directing" the herds. [21:26]
mircea_popescu and dune is chock full of "worm riding". because yeah, totally. [21:26]
mircea_popescu brb i gotta pilot planet earth a little. [21:26]
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pete_dushenski then vw's (and several other, mostly german, automakers') pivot to electric propulsion seems like a way to absorb the laptop battery capacity that's in excess from kids buying smartphones and only smartphones. [21:29]
punkman that's a bit of a stretch [21:30]
pete_dushenski maybe that's a stretch given that i'm unsure how many laptops + spare batteries were sold 'at peak' vs. now [21:30]
* pete_dushenski goes to check data [21:30]
BingoBoingo (basically, you're burnhing the diesel as gasoline and have no fucking idea) << You break it into smaller gasoline hydrocarbons with heat and pressure [21:30]
mircea_popescu right. [21:30]
BingoBoingo Still fractions the same way, but diesel and even tar fractions get cooked into gasoline [21:31]
mircea_popescu it's totally not a case of "if you're willing to put 15% ethanol in there anyway, like fucking hruschov wanted, fuck you and shut up, we'll paint it blue and you can pretend it's fine" [21:31]
BingoBoingo Agricultural diesel here is dyed pink [21:31]
BingoBoingo Long haul trucks here often get pulled over by the "Secretary of State (of Illinois)" police to check for the dye. [21:32]
mircea_popescu aha. i just meant, whatever, stick a label on it call it good. [21:33]
BingoBoingo lol, Nah. Real bueracracy is way ahead of you [21:33]
mircea_popescu lol. i'm an amateur huh ? [21:34]
BingoBoingo You think you know how bad USia is... [21:34]
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punkman BingoBoingo: what other diesel colors do you have? [21:35]
BingoBoingo Well, there's the standard clear to yellow-ish. Some tanks produce a bit a blue-green tinge because infected... [21:36]
BingoBoingo The pink dye though is because it is exempt from the highway fund taxes [21:39]
BingoBoingo ANd the new low sulfur requirement [21:39]
punkman "was capable of laundering 6.5m litres of fuel a year." [21:40]
assbot BBC News - Illegal fuel plant largest in NI ... ( ) [21:40]
punkman (removing dyes) [21:41]
asciilifeform ;;later tell gabriel_laddel << more specifically ? [21:44]
gribble The operation succeeded. [21:44]
assbot Logged on 13-10-2015 23:46:07; gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: are you aware of any molecules with symmetries like [6,6] chiralane? [21:44]
asciilifeform << nitwits who think that their resellable-for-penny-to-the-dollar debeers crud could somehow become valuable if given a spray of provenance perfume [21:46]
assbot Logged on 13-10-2015 23:42:57; mircea_popescu: who the fuck gives a shit about "sourcing" of diamonds outside a very cultish narrow segment of bored middle class art majors/social scientards ? [21:46]
asciilifeform (how? what's to keep anyone from washing it? ask them - not me.) [21:46]
asciilifeform << so what ? it's still a bigger pile of benjies than i ever saw or expect to see on one table personally.. [21:47]
assbot Logged on 13-10-2015 22:24:39; mircea_popescu: 30k is not really notable. that's about 6 months pay (taxes apply to severance too you know) [21:47]
mircea_popescu so go into drugs, you'll get so fucking tired of shoveling the crap... [21:48]
asciilifeform and, it being a bonus vs salary, it's straight 'turkey-buying' money. [21:48]
mircea_popescu it's not a bonus in any sense. it's unemployment. [21:48]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: could just as 'easily' go into mars exploration. [21:48]
asciilifeform << not in usa. mega-protectionist thing here. [21:50]
assbot Logged on 14-10-2015 00:13:36; mircea_popescu: i thought pharma was mostly india [21:50]
asciilifeform it is smuggled in, yes [21:50]
asciilifeform << 'cracking' [21:52]
assbot Logged on 14-10-2015 00:24:55; mircea_popescu: it's gone now, mostly because newer refineries slice the column differently [21:52]
asciilifeform catalytic cleavage of heavier hydrocarbon into lighter. [21:52]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: in usa, 'severance' typically means a lump sum of usd. 'unemployment' is something quite else (financed partly by a tax on the employer, partly by state, it is a meagre pension that one draws for precisely so long as one remains Officially unemployed.) [22:08]
asciilifeform and ~only~ if one had been Officially registered as a full-time salaryman [22:09]
asciilifeform (i and just about everyone i know in meatspace is a 'contractor' and never sees such a thing) [22:09]
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BingoBoingo Officially unemployed too comes with an expiration date [22:12]
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BingoBoingo steroids are still legal otc right ? << Reason why not in the US is starting to look more like no because, lol feminism [23:05]
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BingoBoingo Apparently male birth control has been a thing longer than women's birth control, but the gubmint has just been depriving people of it [23:17]
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