Forum logs for 12 May 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7126 @ 0.00024869 = 1.7722 BTC [+] [00:04]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform bdsm is very risky for the single, naive/retarded female. it is almost as risky for the single, ideologically captive male. [00:14]
mircea_popescu not to my knowledge risky for anyone else, except, of course, as far as the presence of the former impels. [00:14]
jurov mircea_popescu: f.mpif marketmaker needs some rebalancing, it has all shares with only about 3BTC left [00:15]
mircea_popescu jurov alrighty. what's official price on them ? [00:16]
jurov !mpif [00:17]
mircea_popescu once I have these guys << hanbot how about you help with that effort ? [00:17]
assbot BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021367 B (Total: 467.26 B). Delta: -0.18 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+] [00:17]
jurov ^ is this official? [00:17]
mircea_popescu jurov so trade 10k shares for 21.367 btc ? [00:17]
mircea_popescu o wait that's btcalpha [00:17]
jurov and you mean 100k perhaps [00:18]
mircea_popescu he total assets per share implied value is thus 0.00021372 [00:18]
mircea_popescu jurov yeah. or 200k for 2x ? [00:18]
mircea_popescu what's your pleasure ? [00:18]
jurov can be 200k, if the trend is expected to continue [00:20]
mircea_popescu aite, 200k for 42.744 coming right up. [00:20]
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mod6 bah. so now that i know a bit about uclibc, perhaps I need to go through this again with this "[19] hardened/linux/uclibc/amd64" instead of "[14] hardened/linux/amd64/no-multilib" [00:21]
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* mod6 just saw that option [00:22]
mircea_popescu yeah, [00:23]
mircea_popescu i'd rather see uclibc in the "official" b-a linux [00:23]
mod6 *nod*, I'll work on trying that out and getting an update in there. :] [00:24]
mod6 it's kind-of baby-steps on this thing. [00:25]
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BingoBoingo Oh, reddit is down for emergency maintenance [00:27]
mircea_popescu aww [00:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24590 @ 0.00024889 = 6.1202 BTC [+] {2} [00:31]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00025414 = 3.6342 BTC [+] [01:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 69557 @ 0.00004073 = 2.8331 BTC [-] {8} [01:48]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 120 @ 0.0166 = 1.992 BTC [-] [02:29]
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TheNewDeal For those in need of a few laughs http://money.cnn.com/2015/05/11/technology/nasdaq-bitcoin-technology/ [02:32]
assbot Nasdaq will start using Bitcoin technology - May. 11, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1RxOHKc ) [02:32]
mircea_popescu cnn moving into the wordsalad humor racket. reddit turf. [02:35]
TheNewDeal And with all the same vocabulary. No need to relearn "blockchain technology" when we've heard it a few dozen times before! [02:37]
mircea_popescu i guess so. [02:39]
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trinque here's another one http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/09/asia/saudi-airstrikes-yemen/index.html [02:46]
assbot U.N. rep accuses Saudis of violating international law - CNN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1JDRwDW ) [02:46]
trinque not so many laughs [02:46]
trinque and isn't the US a part of this "coalition" ? [02:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88700 @ 0.00025867 = 22.944 BTC [+] {2} [02:48]
mircea_popescu saudi arabia actually can fly all those planes it was collecting ?! [02:48]
mircea_popescu i thought they're just pulling a great gatsby / jerry seifeld, and just storing them [02:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68903 @ 0.00025 = 17.2258 BTC [-] {2} [02:49]
TheNewDeal "The indiscriminate bombing of populated areas, with or without prior warning, is as American as it gets," Van Der Klaauw said in a statement. Ftfy [02:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28947 @ 0.00023978 = 6.9409 BTC [-] [02:50]
trinque TheNewDeal: yeah, sounds like us, right? [02:50]
TheNewDeal Just hope plays from the usian book dont become the norm [02:51]
mircea_popescu famously, the returning, defeated nazis said the same thing. [02:54]
mircea_popescu "just pray, madam, that the russians don't do to you and your daughters anything like" [02:55]
trinque seems inevitable that it will, just a question of whose flying robots they are [03:01]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71300 @ 0.00023978 = 17.0963 BTC [-] [03:25]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00026055 = 1.1204 BTC [+] [04:52]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63550 @ 0.00025518 = 16.2167 BTC [-] {2} [05:04]
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scoopbot_revived Anyone have a single Elbrus ARM-401 for sale? Mebbe a 4.4 Server? It's for the children. http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/12/anyone-have-a-single-elbrus-arm-401-for-sale-mebbe-a-4-4-server-its-for-the-children/ [05:27]
trinque http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/12/us-usa-saudi-summit-idUSKBN0NW1EV20150512 << when Saudi Kings bomb Yemeni civilians, American diplomats "scramble" to assure them. [05:29]
assbot U.S. rejects notion that Gulf rulers snubbing Obama summit [05:29]
trinque "The conspiracy theorists of old have been proven right. The U.S. creates threats for us and then offers us more weapons systems. That does not bode well for us," said Sami Alfaraj, a Kuwaiti security adviser to the six-nation GCC. [05:29]
trinque gulf states are officially wise to our shit. [05:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85448 @ 0.00026157 = 22.3506 BTC [+] {3} [05:30]
mircea_popescu heh [05:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00025091 = 5.8211 BTC [-] {3} [05:45]
scoopbot_revived In which Orwell avoids what he does not wish to see http://trilema.com/2015/in-which-orwell-avoids-what-he-does-not-wish-to-see/ [05:54]
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ascii_field for those who did not watch the 'elbrus' youtube (did anyone ?) - if the screenshots are genuine , we now know that one core of 'elbrus' has approximately same benchmark performance as 'pogo.' [15:50]
mircea_popescu lol! [15:51]
mircea_popescu and in the latest lulz for today, http://trilema.com/2015/introducing-the-bitcoin-isp/#comment-114124 [15:51]
assbot Introducing the Bitcoin ISP on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbTf3B ) [15:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18650 @ 0.00025499 = 4.7556 BTC [+] [15:55]
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lobbes 'Before I consider joining your Web of Trust' lmao [16:03]
mircea_popescu it's funny, what a few decades of "everyone else is your supporting cast" has done to joe blow. [16:05]
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fluffypony mircea_popescu: it's almost like they've forgotten what "right of admission reserved" actually means because of this ongoing "the customer is ALWAYS right" nonsense [16:18]
mircea_popescu fluffypony it's not even that, lol. i'm not making a judgement based on how the twerp presents itself. this is more like, "you're not famous, go away", but for a much better definition of famous. "people i care about heard of you." [16:19]
mircea_popescu "but i have a shirt and shoes!" "so does my goat." [16:19]
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mircea_popescu !up ascii_field [16:20]
-assbot- You voiced ascii_field for 30 minutes. [16:20]
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ascii_field l0l [16:22]
fluffypony lol [16:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100311 @ 0.00025293 = 25.3717 BTC [-] {2} [16:23]
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mircea_popescu absurdistly obligatory, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CYaU3x_nRU [16:24]
assbot The Frogs - I'm Sad, My Goat Just Died Today - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4KdIR ) [16:24]
miaviator Michail1 midnightmagic mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mius mixdio [16:24]
miaviator Michail1 midnightmagic mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mius mixdio [16:24]
hanbot mircea_popescu http://data3.whicdn.com/images/46005295/large.jpg [16:25]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4KpaU ) [16:25]
mircea_popescu aww! [16:25]
mircea_popescu i bet nobody gets them booze, either. [16:25]
mircea_popescu in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/13be0b7c54cf8797f03ac1c7b4949f35/tumblr_no0iysbOD51s53p61o1_1280.jpg [16:33]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4LfEJ ) [16:33]
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trinque an (obvious) idea... someone could resell BISP boxes as virtual machine hosts [17:01]
trinque qntra article made mention that it'll want to cater to larger customers, so perhaps that fills the gap for those needing smaller instances [17:01]
mircea_popescu sure. moreover, [17:05]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-05-2015#1125647 [17:05]
assbot Logged on 08-05-2015 19:42:12; mircea_popescu: which incidentally - if anyone wants to sysadmin an aws-style offering on top of bisp metal, please get in touch. i'm open to the idea, we'd have to discuss how it would work. [17:05]
trinque nice [17:08]
mircea_popescu http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F2/952/866/367365/ << this thing that got linked on the recent bisp announcement is pretty interesting on its own. [17:15]
assbot United States of America, Plaintiff-appellee Cross-appellant, v. Marsden W. Miller, Jr., and William C. Huls,defendants-appellants Cross-appellees, 952 F.2d 866 (5th Cir. 1992) :: Justia ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNfNvQ ) [17:15]
mircea_popescu "In a line of precedent almost a century old, the Supreme Court has repeatedly stressed that the Double Jeopardy Clause does not preclude the government from retrying a defendant whose conviction is set aside because of an error in the proceedings leading to conviction." [17:15]
mircea_popescu basically this translates to "the constitution is there to protect the government from having to do things it doesn't want to do, not to protect the citizens from things the government wants to do but shouldn't" [17:16]
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ascii_field mircea_popescu: "the constitution is there to protect the government from having to do things... << this doctrine is almost as old as the parchment itself [17:17]
mircea_popescu apparently. [17:18]
mircea_popescu "While different theories have been advanced to support the permissibility of retrial, of greater importance than the conceptual abstractions employed to explain the Ball principle are the implications of that principle for the sound administration of justice. Corresponding to the right of an accused to be given a fair trial is the societal interest in punishing one whose guilt is clear after he has obtained such a tri [17:18]
mircea_popescu al. It would be a high price indeed for society to pay were every accused granted immunity from punishment because of any defect sufficient to constitute reversible error in the proceedings leading to conviction. From the standpoint of a defendant, it is at least doubtful that appellate courts would be as zealous as they now are in protecting against the effects of improprieties at the trial or pretrial stage if they k [17:18]
mircea_popescu new that reversal of a conviction would put the accused irrevocably beyond the reach of further prosecution." [17:18]
mircea_popescu imagine the perversity of this. [17:18]
mircea_popescu "if we don't steal your rights right at the top, it is unlikely our agents at lower levels would not steal them anyway" [17:18]
mircea_popescu dude... fuck you ? [17:18]
mircea_popescu you get one shot, like everyone else. if you miss, you've missed. [17:18]
mircea_popescu this entire "government's speshul" doctrine... [17:19]
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ascii_field saying 'i want a government only -so- big' is a bit like asking for 'a tumour only -so- big' [17:19]
mircea_popescu "guilt is clear" === "we are butthurt" [17:19]
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ascii_field and this is the national disease of u.s. folks. [17:20]
mircea_popescu perhaps, yes. [17:20]
mircea_popescu so government can fuck up the conviction, gets a second shot because hey, govt's speshul. you go fuck up your tax returns, see how that goes over. [17:21]
ascii_field they get as many shots as it takes. [17:21]
mircea_popescu "but your honor, it would be a price too high for society to pay were the government granted the right to act because of any defect sufficient to invalidate submitted tax reports" [17:21]
ascii_field also note what the crime in this case was. [17:26]
ascii_field (attempting to be something other than slavishly transparent to usg tendrils) [17:26]
thestringpuller bitmex d00d says, and i quote, "it is trivial to mitm mpex.co cause it uses http" [17:26]
mircea_popescu apparently, corrupt govt official with private intersts made pro-forma arrangements to rid himself of these so as to use govt tools to further them [17:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.0002653 = 2.2418 BTC [+] {2} [17:27]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller but who's asking him ? [17:27]
thestringpuller reddit users i suppose so it is irrelevant. the level of ignorance is just astonishing tho [17:28]
ascii_field thestringpuller: remember, tungsten melts in your mouth. [17:28]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller well, see, the opinions of people who do not own 30 btc to their name as to the comings and goings of places where this is a minimum requisite bar do not constitute proper ignorance. it's like saying country bumpkins in montana have no idea how broadstreet works. they obviously don't, but this because the goat does not know calendars. [17:30]
scoopbot_revived The Fetlife Meatlist - Volume XI http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-xi/ [17:30]
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mircea_popescu what business of it is theirs ? "oh, you're so ignorant, you don't even know astronomy". well... he's a farm hand, let him farm. [17:31]
mircea_popescu !up Crypton [17:32]
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mircea_popescu Apocalyptic what's crypton ? [17:32]
mod6 nmon charts from the entire v0.5.3.1+OrphanageThermonuke sync/test: http://thebitcoin.foundation/OrphanageThermonukeCharts/ [17:33]
assbot Index of /OrphanageThermonukeCharts ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNimOf ) [17:33]
mircea_popescu mod6 http://thebitcoin.foundation/OrphanageThermonukeCharts/Disk.png << this space intentionally left blank ? [17:34]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNivkU ) [17:34]
mod6 Hmm, the swap and & disk are blank for some reason. im sure I just didn't do something correct with those. [17:34]
mircea_popescu and that % style is pretty bad [17:34]
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ascii_field and why not just for bitcoind process ? [17:34]
ascii_field why whole box ? [17:34]
Apocalyptic mircea_popescu, it's a bot that logs a couple of channels for me [17:34]
mircea_popescu ah ok. [17:34]
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mircea_popescu mod6 omfg wtf <4gb ?! WUT ?! [17:35]
mod6 *shrug* lol [17:35]
mircea_popescu it is THAT good this thing ?! [17:35]
mod6 i just kicked it on and let it run. i've never used it before. [17:35]
mod6 so this is just my first shot at it, really. [17:35]
mod6 i'll maybe try another tool next time. [17:35]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-05-2015#1128716 [17:35]
assbot Logged on 12-05-2015 00:38:06; asciilifeform: mod6: the obvious steps are 1) determine if still leaks (tentatively, i will say that it does not) and 2) determine wtf is eating the ram [17:35]
mircea_popescu mod6 listen, what happened in the 6-12 may interval ? full blockchain sync ? something else ? [17:36]
mircea_popescu ascii_field 4gb is pretty impressive tbh. [17:36]
mod6 which chart are you looking at mircea_popescu? [17:36]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: ~200M [17:36]
ascii_field is the actual process steady-state [17:36]
ascii_field on my box. [17:36]
mod6 the box was doing nothing else while this thing was running. [17:36]
mircea_popescu mod6 doesn't matter which chart per se, just trying to put this in context. what was bitcoind doing in the interval ? [17:36]
ascii_field so far, i'm 90% certain that this is mainly due to fragging. [17:37]
mod6 OH [17:37]
mircea_popescu ascii_field i don't recall ever running a node under 8gb, and for that matter that was more like 2012. i think everything now's 32. [17:37]
mod6 yeah, full blockchain sync [17:37]
mod6 sorry. [17:37]
mircea_popescu 6 days ? [17:37]
mircea_popescu also pretty good. [17:37]
mod6 yeah about that. [17:37]
mod6 started on 20150505 [17:37]
mod6 ended yesterday, the 11th. [17:38]
mircea_popescu http://thebitcoin.foundation/OrphanageThermonukeCharts/Page_Faults.png << negative page faults o.O [17:38]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FiQ5wQ ) [17:38]
mod6 yeah, some of these charts don't make sense to me. [17:38]
mod6 maybe that just means there was only a few page faults. [17:38]
mod6 most of the time, looks like 0? except for the beginning. [17:39]
mircea_popescu mod6 yeah kinda what i was trying to evaluate, if the "0, usually" is valid. [17:39]
trinque lol is it a signed int that wrapped? [17:39]
mod6 no idea. i can post the raw data if someone wants to pour through it. [17:40]
mod6 112Mb lol [17:40]
mircea_popescu anyway, i must say the profiling seen here crowns an expectation that has been slowly building from what was shown prior, ie that the snipped bitcoin 5 we're using is actually a major improvement over the old bitcoin 5, and thus very, very far ahead of bitcoin 10/11/etc. [17:40]
ascii_field mircea_popescu did read the patch iirc [17:40]
mircea_popescu ascii_field industrial engineering is a three century old history of "minimal improvements have astounding effects" [17:41]
ascii_field doesn't change much [17:41]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: aha, 'the right screw' (tm) [17:41]
mircea_popescu exactly. [17:41]
* ascii_field specializes in approximately this kind of circus trick [17:42]
mod6 anyway, I was considering running another full-sync without the OrphanageThermonuke patch -- just a v0.5.3.1-RELEASE baseline. [17:42]
mircea_popescu dabbled in same, back in the day. [17:42]
mod6 then maybe we have something to compare too... and maybe even a v0.5.3 original baseline as well. [17:42]
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ascii_field mod6: by all means, the more - the merrier [17:42]
mircea_popescu mod6 not a bad idea. but make sure you package these with the required context and publish them. [17:42]
ascii_field ben_vulpes iirc had a few graphs [17:42]
mod6 gotcha. [17:42]
ascii_field mod6: best to let these run in parallel [17:43]
mod6 anyway, sorry if the charts were less then stellar, but at least /something/ to look at. [17:43]
mircea_popescu as it is, this reporting, it is a 90% of an excellent job. make the extra 10%. make it whole, it'll be great. [17:43]
ascii_field (they still won't deterministically sync from same places, but still) [17:43]
mod6 ascii_field: parallel?! [17:43]
mircea_popescu mod6 maybe even think about writing a qntra piece, or ben_vulpes [17:43]
ascii_field mod6: on two identical boxes [17:43]
ascii_field simultaneously [17:43]
mod6 hrm. well... [17:43]
mod6 too expensive. [17:44]
mod6 the one alone costs me $89/mo. and now i've got 2 others for gentoo, and another one is gonna get pricy for this month. [17:44]
ascii_field do it at home ? [17:45]
mod6 so, i probably just run them consecutively unless it /really/ matters. [17:45]
mod6 i don't have the kinda hardware for this sort of ting. [17:45]
mod6 *thing [17:45]
mircea_popescu i don't see it makes that big of a difference. [17:45]
ascii_field probably doesn't [17:45]
mod6 if you're looking at timing metrics, I can just use 'time' or just rely on the time started in PS and subtract that from the end time. [17:46]
mod6 s/PS/`ps`/ [17:46]
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mircea_popescu dun worry bout it mod6 [17:47]
mircea_popescu just, you two, package this in a detailed, explicit, clear, verbose article. [17:48]
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mircea_popescu so i've been listening to aerosmith all morning. shocking how great bad music was, 40 or so years ago. [17:50]
mircea_popescu entertainment's in this weird situation where the olympic record holders of today couldn't meet the quals for regional competitions in the 70s. [17:51]
lobbes also, music that made it to the 'top of the charts' back then was actually music [17:51]
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lobbes btw, 4gb full sync!? [17:52]
lobbes My old turdcoin is about 47 gb atm [17:52]
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mircea_popescu memory not disk. [17:53]
lobbes ah duh [17:53]
lobbes almost crapped myself [17:53]
mircea_popescu lol. [17:53]
mod6 # du -sh /mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin [17:54]
mod6 44G /mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin [17:54]
mod6 yeah, this is the size of the full bc sync (v0.5.3.1+OrphanageThermonuke) [17:54]
lobbes hmm so about 3 gb culled? [17:54]
ascii_field lobbes: what are you comparing to ? [17:55]
ascii_field recall, we aren't using the leveldb thing [17:55]
lobbes 8.1.0 O.o [17:55]
lobbes 0.8.1.0 [17:56]
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lobbes ah okay [17:56]
mircea_popescu more indexes prolly. [17:56]
mod6 the debug.log itself is 977Mb [17:56]
mod6 so the size of that entire directory is not exactly an accurate picture [17:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48850 @ 0.00027215 = 13.2945 BTC [+] [17:57]
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mod6 17 2.0Gb blk*.dat files = 34Gb + 9.5Gb blkindex.dat == 43.5Gb [17:59]
mircea_popescu +an 18th ~200mb [18:00]
trinque mircea_popescu: I tend to think this was the last time rock happened -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRQjFB3MV4s [18:00]
mod6 anyway, mircea_popescu I'll talk to ben_vulpes about helping me write something up for these charts. [18:00]
assbot Bone Broke - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNkAx2 ) [18:00]
mod6 <+mircea_popescu> +an 18th ~200mb << 247M blk0018.dat [18:00]
mod6 yes :) [18:00]
mircea_popescu trinque im not even sure how rock aerosmith is, or what it all means. [18:01]
mod6 anyway, thanks for taking a look! [18:01]
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trinque that 300mph torrential outpour blues is good too [18:04]
lobbes I've got a love for 'fast blues'; srv and the like [18:05]
lobbes still enough soul to not be made by a machine, but fast enough to say 'damn' [18:07]
mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSmOvYzSeaQ << check out 90s EGA high techs [18:07]
assbot Aerosmith - Amazing - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNllGv ) [18:07]
ascii_field speaking of which, i just bought a 486-133. [18:07]
ascii_field (was searching for years for a 100% silent example of such, finally found) [18:08]
ascii_field (where? from him: http://www.belxs.com/michel/soundbox ) [18:08]
assbot Michel's MIDI box ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNlt94 ) [18:08]
mircea_popescu http://t.imgbox.com/DA1uRbI3.jpg back in the day [18:13]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNmlu9 ) [18:13]
ascii_field l0l, i had one [18:13]
ascii_field or almost same [18:13]
ascii_field good old vlb [18:13]
mircea_popescu speaking of someliers, they have a forum, you know ? http://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?t=33438 [18:14]
assbot VOGONS • View topic - MY ROCKING AMD 486 - ??? MHZ SYSTEM VLB ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNmxd2 ) [18:14]
* jurov never had vlb. tried to overclock isa instead, burned disk controller and wiped data [18:14]
* ascii_field had isa, eisa, vlb, and even - last - mca boxes. [18:15]
trinque my first computer was a piece of shit 486 with a turbo button [18:15]
ascii_field (mca was this weird ibm thing, physically shaped like pci slot but electrically 100% martian) [18:15]
mircea_popescu i had a 286! and (after that!) a weird pc-xt that had asm debugger built into bios. and so on [18:17]
ascii_field when had that box, had a 'chipchat' sound card, afaik the only one made for mca [18:17]
ascii_field https://www.chipchat.com/mca/soundcard/soundcard.html [18:17]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNnhio ) [18:17]
ascii_field ^ mega-l0l! they're still on www! [18:17]
ascii_field https://www.chipchat.com/ChipChatDirect.html << sold!?!?! [18:17]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNniTf ) [18:17]
mircea_popescu was that a sound blaster repackaged ? [18:18]
ascii_field it was entirely own animal [18:18]
ascii_field on account of the vastly different bus [18:18]
ascii_field but - somehow - mostly compatible from dos [18:18]
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ascii_field the weird daughterboard was a midi synth [18:19]
ascii_field i later pulled it off and plugged into an ordinary sb-16 [18:19]
ascii_field where it happily worked for years. [18:19]
danielpbarron the smashing guitar thing is very rock and roll. here's the original i think -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xZOrWK6d4g [18:19]
assbot My Generation - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNnBxA ) [18:19]
mircea_popescu so it WAS a sb repackaging then ? the chipchat ? [18:20]
ascii_field again, not repackaging. very different chip (to sit on ibm's bizarre mca bus) but emulated sb. [18:20]
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ascii_field (at the time the fastest box i had, had mca bus only) [18:21]
mircea_popescu weird, the sort of shit they could do back then. [18:21]
mircea_popescu back to the lulzlaw department for a moment, " Nonetheless, the government concedes that it failed to file a timely certificate with the district court "that the appeal was not taken for purpose of delay and that the evidence is a substantial proof of a fact material in the proceeding," although § 3731 required it to do so. The government has now filed such a certificate, and correctly notes that the late filing, alth [18:22]
mircea_popescu ough not regarded with favor, does not rise to jurisdictional dimensions." [18:22]
mircea_popescu o, so the government filed late ? it's ok, we'll invent some legally meaningless words it can be bad in, but otherwise it's fine. [18:22]
mircea_popescu you try filing late. [18:22]
mircea_popescu fuckheads delayed filing the certificate that they're not appealing to delay. [18:22]
mircea_popescu "The certificate was filed seven months after the entry of the district court's order and six months after the filing of the government's notice of appeal. It was filed only after the defendants raised the issue of its absence in their briefs to this Court." [18:23]
mircea_popescu and so therefore, " If the requirement of the timely filing of a certificate is to have substantial meaning, the government's appeal here should be dismissed. Indeed, the purpose of the certificate requirement is to ensure the government has verified the propriety of its appeal, and so certified to the district court, at the time it files its notice of appeal. That purpose is defeated by the perfunctory filing of the c [18:24]
mircea_popescu ertificate after the appeal has been docketed and briefed and within days of its argument in this Court." [18:24]
mircea_popescu but is there a disbarment of the government counsel as a result of attempted fraud in open court ? [18:25]
jurov "but that does not rise to jurisdictional dimensions" [18:25]
mircea_popescu where is the one year in the can for contempt + civil liability for the prosecuting team + their eighteen indictment trial for all sorts of fraud, abuse of legal process etc. [18:25]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: rule of law is a statal fiction, news-at-eleven. [18:26]
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mircea_popescu check it out, the government is required to file a certificate. and if they don't... fuckall. and if it's fraudulent ? all the better. [18:26]
mircea_popescu and moreover, the government can contempt the court all it wants, that's what it's there for after all. [18:26]
BingoBoingo !up felipelalli [18:32]
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mircea_popescu !rated theymos [18:32]
assbot You rated user theymos on 15-Nov-2014, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: defrauded the tardstalk community by throwing ~half a million dollars worth of BTC at some obscure service provider for kickbacks. a lenghty history of fraudulent behaviour, http://trilema.com/2012/scammer-tag-nefario-theymos-others-known-and-unknown/. [18:32]
mircea_popescu and in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/cec108a1b9ef61cc0ce17e80b2fed4ec/tumblr_meuxlnPw761qjm83bo1_1280.jpg [18:39]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNqm1Y ) [18:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82358 @ 0.00026211 = 21.5869 BTC [-] [18:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 171441 @ 0.0002599 = 44.5575 BTC [-] {2} [18:46]
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cazalla who's the statue of in that shitty photoshop anyway [18:53]
mircea_popescu looks like a tail [18:53]
hanbot mircea_popescu> once I have these guys << hanbot how about you help with that effort ? << hey mod6, could you make a version of this that isn't aws-specific? or wouldja be willing to help me make one? [18:54]
mircea_popescu hm yeah, aws is useful to have but it really shouldnt be a dependency. [18:58]
jurov just replace the aws image creation part with normal gentoo handbook [18:59]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1128969 << dude, i actually like CultOs [18:59]
assbot Logged on 12-05-2015 12:50:01; davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1128895 <<< you mean CultOS(tm) [18:59]
mircea_popescu Adlai why do you think final i in satoshi is long ? [19:00]
mircea_popescu it's not satoshii is it ? [19:00]
davout mircea_popescu: it's CultOS duh [19:00]
davout not CultOs [19:00]
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mircea_popescu heathen. [19:01]
mircea_popescu heretic. [19:01]
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aabtc Adlai aegis AmbitionzAzARida Anduck Apocalyptic artifexd ascii_field asciilifeform Asenath_ assbot Azelphur [19:01]
davout next we'll have our CultPhones and CultPads yo [19:02]
davout get in line for your CultWatches [19:02]
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BingoBoingo Just have to get cultOS compiled on SPARC [19:02]
mircea_popescu cultundies, for those girls that still wear the things. [19:02]
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mircea_popescu that orlov link... [19:03]
mircea_popescu "Western media focused on the fact that western leaders declined to attend the celebration, either in a fit of pique or because so ordered by the Obama administration, but this only highlights their combined irrelevance, be it in defeating Hitler, or in commemorating his defeat 70 years later." [19:03]
jurov cultchat [19:03]
mircea_popescu bwhaha. who penned this i wish to know ? the man himself is incapable of such quality. [19:04]
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mircea_popescu Submissions: 47728 Known Moduli: 31262 Moduli Waiting for Test: 4584 Running Product (Π(∀n)): 43224973 digits [19:06]
mircea_popescu so ascii_field from the above, am i correct in deducing that there have been at most 47728 - 31262-4584 = 11882 (out of 47728, or ~1/4) keys without any RSA subkeys in them ? [19:07]
mircea_popescu there are also 68 keys with duplicate moduli, but i imagine that wouldn't impact very much the overall numbers ? [19:08]
cazalla given all this interracial stuff.. in other news http://i.imgur.com/Sw9HtSO.png [19:08]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNvDqa ) [19:08]
mircea_popescu da fuck is that [19:09]
cazalla i dunno, just some random imgur [19:10]
mircea_popescu "here i sit in a prefab vinyl siding plebhousing unit, burning a 50 dollar bill" ? [19:10]
davout cazalla: irlkek [19:10]
jurov O.o [19:10]
mircea_popescu here, i see your gavin andresen impersonator and raise you, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m421aoiZzX1qjm83bo1_1280.jpg [19:11]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNw6sj ) [19:11]
mircea_popescu a barbie doll by a rack of boy toys. [19:11]
jurov and interracial hints, too [19:12]
mircea_popescu heh, intel points out that is not an impersonator. https://paw.princeton.edu/_internal/cimg!0/oh4xm7lc83q8lk7h15cuz4zuk3nzeim [19:12]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNwirC ) [19:12]
mircea_popescu from https://paw.princeton.edu/issues/2013/11/13/pages/7588/index.xml [19:12]
assbot Princeton Alumni Weekly: Buying into Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNwiIg ) [19:12]
mircea_popescu apparently the SEW way to do urls is .xml [19:12]
jurov 'x' in xml means eXecutable yaknow [19:13]
mircea_popescu yea. eXecutable Mega Lolz [19:14]
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trinque someone probably had an autism fit about how xhtml is some particular schema represented in XML, you see [19:16]
mircea_popescu i imagine. [19:16]
mircea_popescu "Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, [blablabla] made the sign of the cross, in the Russian Orthodox manner. This simple gesture transformed the parade from a display of military pomp to a sacred ritual." [19:17]
mircea_popescu dude seriously, that's how russian orthodoxy-lite works ? [19:17]
mircea_popescu at this rate they could probably use it as an anti-islam equivalent. [19:17]
hanbot jurov> just replace the aws image creation part with normal gentoo handbook << wasn't the point at least in part to crop that thing tho'? [19:17]
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jurov hanbot i don't know what mod6 exactly meant [19:18]
hanbot well i guess we'll find out! [19:19]
trinque only difference should be where you plonk the resulting root fs [19:19]
mircea_popescu "If you think about it just a tiny bit, nothing on this scale could be contrived artificially, and the thought that millions of people would prostitute their dead for propaganda purposes is, frankly, both cynical and insulting." [19:20]
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mircea_popescu bwahgaha. these EXACT PEOPLE prostituted their dead, and their living, wives, children, the lot. by the HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS. not even fifty years ago. [19:20]
mircea_popescu gimme a break. [19:20]
mircea_popescu not that it's not genuine sentiment, i'm sure to some degree it is. the topless sluts were ALSO genuine sentiment, for sure just as genuine, definitely as widely held. the result ? 400 people, beat up by police, not 4mn pushed by the govt press agents. [19:22]
mircea_popescu so... yeah, which way the state goes is part and parcel of it. [19:22]
lobbes definitely as widely held << lol [19:26]
mircea_popescu lobbes i was talking about femen specifically. you think not ? [19:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 274452 @ 0.00025036 = 68.7118 BTC [-] {4} [19:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35548 @ 0.0002412 = 8.5742 BTC [-] [19:30]
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lobbes mircea_popescu was appreciating the wordplay ;/ But I would agree nonetheless [19:32]
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mircea_popescu ah yeah [19:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00025408 = 5.7676 BTC [+] [19:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 181552 @ 0.00024077 = 43.7123 BTC [-] {2} [19:41]
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lobbes I only just started reading Orlov's blog not too long ago. On alf's recommendation, I skipped to some of his earlier stuff (from roughly 2011?). I do get the feeling that he can either be 'hit or miss' at times. [19:41]
* lobbes probably needs to read more anyway [19:41]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57750 @ 0.00024032 = 13.8785 BTC [-] [19:42]
mircea_popescu we have this ongoing debate re orlov i guess. [19:43]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 180315 @ 0.00025464 = 45.9154 BTC [+] {2} [19:50]
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cazalla guy not far from me selling a bitcoin atm.. wants 5k for it.. tell him he's dreamin' http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/highett/other-electronics-computers/lamassu-bitcoin-atm-machine-new/1078507188 [20:00]
assbot Lamassu Bitcoin ATM Machine - New | Other Electronics & Computers | Gumtree Australia Bayside Area - Highett | 1078507188 ... ( http://bit.ly/1JaZHJM ) [20:01]
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mircea_popescu heh. he paid 4k and wants to make a profit, CLEARLY he should get 5k. [20:04]
pete_dushenski cazalla lamassus are worth a grand. [20:04]
pete_dushenski at most. [20:04]
mircea_popescu offer him 5% in the btctc shambles ? [20:04]
mircea_popescu worth 100k! [20:04]
pete_dushenski typical homeowner thinking really. [20:04]
pete_dushenski whether in buenos aires or edmonotn [20:04]
pete_dushenski edmonton* [20:04]
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cazalla mircea_popescu, he paid more.. 9k USD plus taxes [20:05]
pete_dushenski "i want to make x and i won't sell for less" [20:05]
pete_dushenski hey, if they want to wait and the carrying costs aren't crushing them, let 'em dream. [20:05]
mircea_popescu ^ [20:05]
mircea_popescu starvation is the adequate solution to this problem. [20:05]
cazalla even if it was cheap (could stick it in my uncle's shop), prob attract legal issues anyway [20:06]
pete_dushenski a hungry seller is a motivated seller. [20:06]
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trinque !up livegnik [20:07]
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pete_dushenski ;;tlsb [20:10]
gribble Error: "tlsb" is not a valid command. [20:10]
pete_dushenski ;;tslb [20:11]
gribble Time since last block: 22 minutes and 40 seconds [20:11]
pete_dushenski ;;bc,stats [20:11]
gribble Current Blocks: 356143 | Current Difficulty: 4.7643398017803444E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 356831 | Next Difficulty In: 688 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 9 hours, 10 minutes, and 19 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47854762116.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 0.44364 [20:11]
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gabriel_laddel http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2015#1126436 << I'm terribly sorry about that, I confused you with williamdunne [20:24]
assbot Logged on 09-05-2015 15:49:16; funkenstein_: gabriel_laddel, I said no such thing. This is a public log. [20:24]
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ben_vulpes sometimes keeping up with trilema feels like trying to sync the blockchain with a dialup modem << lol how do you handle the log? [20:26]
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gabriel_laddel http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-05-2015#1126254 << To give my definitive word on the matter I'd have to review his works in their entirety and learn ionic Greek + Greek philosophy. For now, I read the first ~150 pages of Hippocrates, Acient Medicine, Vol. 1 - English translation by W.H.S. Jones. It did not strike me as "new age-y". The author(s) of this particular work was clearly attempting, to the best of [20:27]
assbot Logged on 09-05-2015 06:39:04; mircea_popescu: curious if it'd also seem new age-y. [20:27]
gabriel_laddel his(their) ability, to develop the practice of medicine in accordance with reality. Being subject to the prejudice and technical limitations of the times is inescapable (the notion of "humors" may have made more sense without knowing of chemical reactions). The notes on the constitution of a patient's stool, fasting and diet are probably still valid. In the 'General Introduction' Jones notes that philosophy had aban [20:27]
gabriel_laddel doned medicine and that medicine would have been better off to abandon philosophy. He also notes that "On Wounds in the Head" contains remarkably practical techniques that would have been extremely advanced had they discovered antiseptics. I don't know enough about the development of medicine to (dis)agree with this assessment, but will note that Semmelweis didn't discover antiseptics until ~1850 (and the medical co [20:27]
gabriel_laddel mmunity then ignored his discovery). Contrast with "New Age medicine", which afaik, an ill-defined set of practices quite distanced from the leading edge of technology. If they were any good at what they were doing they'd have their own funtoo fork, pdf extractor, WoT and we'd be using it. [20:27]
ben_vulpes in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/13be0b7c54cf8797f03ac1c7b4949f35/tumblr_no0iysbOD51s53p61o1_1280.jpg << what is the beta for? [20:28]
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williamdunne gabriel_laddel: What did I say? [20:33]
gabriel_laddel williamdunne: that the jews were overrepresented in banking [20:33]
gabriel_laddel *are [20:35]
williamdunne Ah, thats a few days back [20:35]
williamdunne IIRC Pete already corrected me on that one [20:36]
gabriel_laddel Yeah. I read his blog post on intelligence and genetics, confused the two of you and thought he was making some sort of ad-hoc /pol/-style 'argument'. [20:36]
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mod6 <+hanbot> ... hey mod6, could you make a version of this that isn't aws-specific? or wouldja be willing to me make one? << yea, absolutely. I'll get there at some point soon hopefully. [20:40]
BingoBoingo http://i.imgur.com/RvF9Pje.jpg [20:40]
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mod6 Allow me to elaborate for a minute here and I'll explain why I did what I did. [20:41]
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mod6 To begin with, I was completely unfamiliar with gentoo in any sense -- aside from once trying to set it up from the Handbook, which I found that I didn't have time to work my way through and get it set up properly. So my goal was to get familiar with Gentoo and to start to build a system that can be agreed upon that suits our needs for building bitcoind. [20:43]
mod6 One of my goals was to get this going as soon as possible in AWS so we could continue with builds/testing/development and ditch Debian6. And additonally, I have a 350Gb storage volume there that I wanted to not just discard as it has at least half-a-dozen fully sync'd blockchains on there. [20:45]
mod6 So the idea was that I would learn a few things about Gentoo, get a hand-rolled stage3 + a fully blessed tool chain and be able to attch my "btc-dev" storage volume and just pick up where we left-off -- at lesat as far as what artifacts I'd already collected. [20:46]
mod6 Upon news of my endevour, Mr. P. asked me to document what I'd done carefully so we all can be on the same page -- which is also good because I don't know what I'm doing with Gentoo anyway. Having people look over what I'm doing provides some bit of steering in-case I get off course. [20:47]
mod6 So basically that's where we are. I've gotten to the point where I can create an AWS AMI -> deploy hand-rolled Gentoo instance. I'll certainly continue to build out the blessed toolchain over the next week and beyond. Further, then I'll take what I've learned from all of this and apply it to building a hand-rolled Gentoo on a bare-rails environment. [20:49]
mod6 Apparently this is not much different than what I've already done, but I really don't know. [20:49]
gabriel_laddel mod6: have you looked into the portage sources? [20:50]
gabriel_laddel I was poking around the other day - first there is ~70k LoC, which wtf seriously [20:50]
mod6 And lastly, I really need to get some sort of physical environment here to support that last part. So I'll work on figuring out something for that as well. Maybe even an old laptop. [20:51]
mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel but if anyone opposed to smoking, drinking and eating whatever falls into your hads is "new age bs", then hippo should be too. [20:51]
mircea_popescu guy's practice was mostly focused on dietary approaches to medicine. [20:51]
mod6 <+gabriel_laddel> mod6: have you looked into the portage sources? << what do you mean by "looked into"? [20:52]
gabriel_laddel mod6: I wrote an ebuild parser, ran sloccount, read through the documentation, opened a few files + ebuilds at random and read through them. [20:53]
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gabriel_laddel mod6: I would classify that as "looking into" portage [20:53]
trinque diddling portage internals is probably out of scope for what he's working on [20:53]
trinque gabriel_laddel: I've heard rumors of gentoo+common-lisp but haven't seen anything; is that you? [20:53]
mod6 gabriel_laddel: yeah, you'll have to forgive me, i have no idea what you're referring to. [20:53]
trinque mod6: package manager thing for gentoo [20:54]
trinque portage [20:54]
gabriel_laddel mod6: portage is the project that houses "emerge" [20:54]
mod6 yeah, well, I did add the "portage-latest" into the handrolled gentoo. [20:54]
mod6 it's in there. [20:54]
mod6 as far as "looking into" anything specific... i didn't. to me it just seems similar to freebsd's ports or something. [20:55]
gabriel_laddel kk [20:55]
gabriel_laddel trinque: yeah, I'm fixing the install guide and writing an introductory bare-bones lesson now [20:55]
mod6 for 3rd party packages right? [20:55]
trinque gabriel_laddel: awesome, I look forward to that [20:55]
gabriel_laddel trinque: since people are derping around with gentoo, might as well release something [20:55]
trinque indeed. [20:55]
gabriel_laddel mod6: nah, I just wanted to use something more sane than their default package manager [20:55]
mod6 ah. ok. [20:56]
gabriel_laddel mod6: it is rather poorly designed IMHO. [20:56]
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mod6 anyway, hanbot: I'll be updating the document as I go through this whole process. I'll let you know when I get something that's bare-rails specfic. Thanks for the help! :] [20:57]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: Aaron's post had nothing to say about smoking, drinking and I don't think that being opposed to these is "new age-y" [20:57]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: I was simply noting that I'm really the wrong person to speak with about living healthy if one wishes to carry on a conversation. [20:57]
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gabriel_laddel mildly related to health: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6At3zIwwk7Q [21:00]
assbot Live robotic da Vinci radical prostatectomy during EAU congress - Barcelona - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HcwDiY ) [21:00]
gabriel_laddel ^ I had a lot of fun watching that last night [21:00]
BingoBoingo I find it kind of funny the first mainstream surgical robots are for urology. [21:01]
mircea_popescu ah [21:01]
gabriel_laddel skip to 5:33 for the first stitch [21:01]
mircea_popescu i prolly read to much into it. [21:01]
trinque the level of control there is remarkable [21:04]
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trinque over the surgical implements [21:04]
trinque what's the interface for the surgeon look like [21:05]
mod6 ok all, I'm gonna rebuild this thing with uclibc, I'll have an update for ya in a few hours :] [21:05]
gabriel_laddel trinque: check out the start of the video, he is sitting in the station [21:05]
trinque ah whoops [21:05]
trinque ty [21:05]
trinque I skipped forward [21:05]
gabriel_laddel well yeah, gotta start with the fun stuff [21:05]
Adlai mircea_popescu: ablative agent, although i forgot the preposition [21:05]
mircea_popescu ah. [21:06]
mircea_popescu "There is a pattern here: it seems that whenever Americans arm, train and equip an army, that army stands a really big chance of simply melting away, with the weapons falling into the hands of those who want to use them against American interests." [21:13]
mircea_popescu "what would the devil have to pay you..." [21:13]
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mircea_popescu but of much more direct interest, "It is hard to see why this same pattern wouldn't hold once the US places much of itself under military occupation." [21:13]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1128992 << it's a mixed bag, really. the "new black panther" party was a good chunk of the success of the obama campaign. their disinterest was a big chunk of the ridoinculous fizzle of ows. [21:20]
assbot Logged on 12-05-2015 15:09:44; lobbes: idk re: prison insurgencies. He compares the 'black youth' imprisoned today with former workers for Sadam. Former being terribly unorganized to start with vs. the latter (arguably) being the obverse [21:20]
mircea_popescu obviously baltimore riots were a plan hatched and executed by the baltimore drug lords, but it *may* be also part of a larger frontline, a probing operation as it's called. [21:20]
mircea_popescu if that's the case, as it well may be the case, they're not nearly all that disorganised. arguably better organised than the government. [21:20]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1129009 << you have no idea how vory even came to be, then ? [21:26]
assbot Logged on 12-05-2015 16:40:25; lobbes: Adlai, career criminals, sure. But I'm skeptical that a bunch of career criminals would suddenly align against a common foe, rather than continue the 'business as usual' of fighting each other [21:26]
Adlai what's revolution if not career criminals fighting eachother? [21:28]
mircea_popescu good one. [21:28]
williamdunne if that's the case, as it well may be the case, they're not nearly all that disorganised. arguably better organised than the government. <<< glad to see standards are staying high [21:29]
mircea_popescu lol [21:31]
mircea_popescu well, who you gonna bet on, in the quadriplegic box match ? the blind or the stupid ? [21:31]
pete_dushenski let bitbet decide. [21:32]
Adlai wheelchairs make a lot of noise, i'll put a satoshi on blind [21:32]
mircea_popescu no wheelchairs in the ring. what is this. [21:33]
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mircea_popescu THEY MIGHT HURT EACH OTHER WITH THOSE!!1 [21:33]
trinque lol [21:33]
pete_dushenski speaking of which, was there a paqi-mayw bitbet ? don't recall seeing one, which is too bad as i would've loved to have taken some change off of "the people's fighter" [21:33]
trinque I've wondered, considering it from the other end, whether the govt's trying to provoke fergusons and baltimores. [21:34]
pete_dushenski ya, there's no wheelchairs in wwe wrestling, just barbed wire, cages, lead pipes. [21:34]
trinque wouldn't they love having some kind of ISIS lite domestically [21:34]
pete_dushenski trinque since they're selling fear, sure. why not. [21:35]
pete_dushenski it's diocletian's war economy again. [21:35]
mircea_popescu pretty sure there was [21:35]
pete_dushenski "the barbarians are coming!" [21:35]
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trinque one wonders to what end [21:39]
trinque the american "powerful" must lack imagination [21:39]
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Luke-Jr ? [21:40]
BingoBoingo ... << it's a mixed bag, really. the "new black panther" party was a good chunk of the success of the obama campaign. their disinterest was a big chunk of the ridoinculous fizzle of ows. << NBP is truly a tiny thing like FEMEN [21:41]
mircea_popescu except femen's not tiny. [21:41]
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mircea_popescu what are you more likely to run into, a girl that doesnt want to fuck because of what she's heard the catholic church say, or a girl that wants to go topless because of what she's heard of femen ? [21:42]
mircea_popescu femen > catholic church. [21:42]
BingoBoingo Ah. I was going more for the actual size of the cohesive group rather than its influence sphere. [21:42]
BingoBoingo speaking of which, was there a paqi-mayw bitbet ? don't recall seeing one, which is too bad as i would've loved to have taken some change off of "the people's fighter" << I though about funding one. Ended up doing a smaller bet on PacMan. [21:43]
mircea_popescu the size of that cohesive group is merely a function of the resources wasted on it. [21:43]
mircea_popescu the "social studies" grant eaters are larger than the texas oil industry. [21:43]
mircea_popescu so what of it. [21:44]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo what is this 'pacman' you speak of ? [21:44]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: what's the hidden message with the beta of spades? [21:44]
mircea_popescu i have nfi! [21:44]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Manny, the dude who fought money on May 2nd [21:44]
ben_vulpes like - "quite clearly not a queen, nor even a gurl ergo beta" [21:44]
mircea_popescu maybe that's the husBand [21:44]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo ah, comprendo. not up on my boxing nicknames, it seems. [21:45]
pete_dushenski thought it was some kind of bitbet competitor lol [21:45]
BingoBoingo the size of that cohesive group is merely a function of the resources wasted on it. << But consider what USG spends on keeping NBP alive to only have Maybe 200 new Black Panthers vs. what Femen spends on Maybe 200 topless agitators. [21:46]
mircea_popescu hm. [21:46]
mircea_popescu this is the point where i admit this had been all wild speculation and i have nfi. [21:46]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: I'm hoping for a rematch before they turn 50. Manny's got the aggression and Mayweather's age showed more. [21:47]
mircea_popescu something must be very wrong with boxing if 50 yo ex champs can still walk around unaided. [21:47]
BingoBoingo this is the point where i admit this had been all wild speculation and i have nfi. << My point is you could put most of USia's urban welfare expenditure on making potential Black Panther not starve. [21:48]
pete_dushenski srsly. they're both so old already. [21:48]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Both were nearly 40, either would have been outclassed by the featherweights on the undercard. [21:48]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i dunno dood. by this reasoning you could put the chinese state budget on "making obama get nobel prize" [21:48]
pete_dushenski i'd rather watch some younger, sportier boxers. for as much as i care to watch boxing. [21:48]
pete_dushenski which, so far, is once. may 2 [21:48]
ben_vulpes [22:58] cazalla lamassus are worth a grand. << based on? [21:49]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: THe first undercard fight was great. Second was set up. [21:49]
mircea_popescu i used to watch some boxing many years ago because i was friends with some promoters etc. never got into it. [21:49]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes my broker who also owns four atms. [21:49]
williamdunne Not going to lie, I do enjoy watching MMA [21:49]
pete_dushenski i think $1k for a lamassu is market atm. [21:50]
pete_dushenski mebbe i'm low ? [21:50]
williamdunne None of the defensive off the ropes crap [21:50]
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mircea_popescu williamdunne hey, i enjoy watching some dude beat the crap / get beaten the crap out of as much as the next guy, but it helps a lot if i know them/there's a substantial quarrel/something. [21:51]
mircea_popescu as a "sport"... i dunno. [21:51]
BingoBoingo I'd like to be able to consider starting a pro-boxing career at 40 [21:51]
ben_vulpes you'd know better than i pete [21:51]
ben_vulpes asking out of curiousity etc [21:52]
williamdunne mircea_popescu does money count? Pretty sure there is a bonus for winning [21:52]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes i think 'skyhook' is the cheapest, then lamassu, then the dirty, dirty robocoin. [21:53]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the nasdaq thing is just, they want to use a centralize custom scamcoin to somehow track pre-ipo trades. not really clear what this actually is, tbh, and i somehow doubt it's more than the intersection between inept bitcoin piarism and vague plans for vapornothing. [21:53]
BingoBoingo Not going to lie, I do enjoy watching MMA << I prefer watching boxing for the constraints ove the combatants. [21:53]
ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: the skyhook guys actually operate out of a warehouse across town from me [21:53]
pete_dushenski actually, come to think of it, mebbe i'm confusing brands. might've been 'skyhook' that was $1k and lamassu really was $4-5k. [21:53]
pete_dushenski robocoin... $20k [21:53]
mircea_popescu williamdunne i guess. don't you think it kinda detracts from the whole thing ? like, "here, monkeys, a silver coin. FIGHT!" [21:53]
williamdunne BingoBoingo: See I like MMA for that lack of constraints. Maybe I'm just a joe-sixpack-adrenaline junky [21:54]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes ah cool! [21:54]
ben_vulpes i regard the whole project as touching both terminals at the same time and avoid doing so at all costs [21:54]
BingoBoingo williamdunne hey, i enjoy watching some dude beat the crap / get beaten the crap out of as much as the next guy, but it helps a lot if i know them/there's a substantial quarrel/something. << This is a serious problem with MMA. It seems a majority of the competitors are just downright friendly outside the ring. [21:54]
ben_vulpes anyways, tango now, documentation with mod6 later. [21:54]
ben_vulpes ciao bomberos [21:54]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i think it's just the way it's being promoted. boxing harks to a different time, with different people. mma is more tuned for the contemporary kid. different life balances. [21:55]
BingoBoingo williamdunne: What that lack of constraint gets you though is a rapid turnover at the top. There's so much asymmetry that no one can aspire to prolongued greatness. [21:55]
williamdunne I'm not aiming for the greatness, I just want to see two people beat the crap out of each other. Its a bloodsport really I suppose. Turnover is entertaining. [21:56]
trinque ^ I think MMA fans would watch an actual coloseum fight just as readily. [21:56]
mircea_popescu what'd the difference be ? [21:57]
mircea_popescu i don't think mma guys if given the option of gladitorial arms would actually take any. [21:57]
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trinque the fighters probably not, due to the whole death thing [21:57]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo i think it's just the way it's being promoted. boxing harks to a different time, with different people. mma is more tuned for the contemporary kid. different life balances. << Which is why I'm thinking that 11-ish years from now on my 40th Birthday it might be realistic that I could become a ProBoxer [21:57]
mircea_popescu i guess if you force them, by allowing armor. buyt then again, gladiatorial combat didn't allow much armor. [21:57]
trinque my observation is that MMA is as close to that as you can get [21:57]
mircea_popescu trinque my point is that actual roman weaponry would not present an improvement. [21:57]
williamdunne Pretty much, optional and without death. Same sort of blood sport though [21:58]
trinque ah I just meant the prospect that the opponent could be killed [21:58]
mircea_popescu the opponent can be killed. [21:58]
mircea_popescu happens all the time, too [21:58]
BingoBoingo trinque: Plenty of unarmored, unsanctioned, stick fights [21:58]
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williamdunne Well, in comparison to gladiator battles [21:58]
mircea_popescu gladiator battles didnt' have THAT many casualties, you know. [21:58]
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mircea_popescu a gladiator was more expensive a piece of fixed capital than a whore. [21:59]
williamdunne What about the slaves they battled? I'd be lying if I said I had much knowledge outside of primary education and 'Gladiator' [21:59]
mircea_popescu gladiators were slaves. [21:59]
mircea_popescu that's how that thing went, sporting promoters of the 100s went around, buying young strong slaves, [22:00]
mircea_popescu then trained them for five years or so. [22:00]
mircea_popescu then presented them (or sold them on to senatos and other dude farmers) [22:00]
williamdunne Sorry I meant the slaves as if in thrown in the pit rather than trained like you would a prize horse [22:00]
mircea_popescu i dunno that was very common. [22:00]
mircea_popescu even the xtians were thrown to the lions, not to the gladiators. [22:01]
williamdunne Sort of like the difference between a pet and next seasons dinner - even if both are property [22:01]
trinque interesting, I was misinformed on how lethal gladiator fights were [22:06]
trinque makes sense [22:06]
mircea_popescu it really wasn't much higher risk than being in the army, which was you know, a good chunk of the population, especially poorer. [22:06]
williamdunne That doesn't seem like a great standard [22:07]
mircea_popescu for them or for you ? [22:08]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1129035 << splendid [22:09]
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mircea_popescu tattoo tales from the gender prison http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcxictoZaW1rrufxwo1_1280.jpg [22:15]
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williamdunne mircea_popescu: Them [22:18]
mircea_popescu really ? i guess i never thought of it that way. [22:19]
mircea_popescu you understand how roman society functioned, do you ? [22:19]
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williamdunne Not particularly, I know fatality rates would be vastly different dependent on region though. Obviously being a city-guard in Rome is a pretty safe job but being the the border of the empire or in active battle/expansion seems like a good way to get killed [22:21]
williamdunne http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatalities_in_mixed_martial_arts_contests <<< While its probably not complete, doesn't look like many fatalities in MMA [22:21]
assbot Fatalities in mixed martial arts contests - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNUMkz ) [22:21]
mircea_popescu well ok, but in terms of standards : as a young man with no property, your options were essentially to go into military service, which offered pay and, upon serving 18ish to 20something years, a large settlement payment and provincial land. [22:22]
mircea_popescu this allowed you to take a young woman and start a household in relative security. the exact american dream. [22:22]
mircea_popescu the alternatives to this are unclear. if very clever you could have traded, but various ethic groups had a defacto monopoly on that, and a very large cultural advantage. [22:23]
williamdunne Yes, I'm familiar with the land-ownership. Truly brilliant option IMO. As you say, American dream. [22:24]
mircea_popescu otherwise... maybe become a client for some important patron, and done what the us sub-political class does today. in the day's huffington post and astroturfed meetings and whatnot. a very precarious existence, certainly the slavegirls had it better. [22:24]
williamdunne Pretty sure the main alternative was trading or poverty [22:24]
mircea_popescu yeah, pretty much. so... it couldn't conceivably been a bad standard for them, inasmuch as it was... the standard. [22:24]
mircea_popescu in point of fact this is unchanged millenia later - very few kids end up here, a few more are in the military, and the rest on reddit. [22:25]
williamdunne I am the 1%? [22:27]
mircea_popescu maybe [22:29]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform check out the fate of jew boy. http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mda39zViQZ1rrufxwo1_1280.jpg [22:31]
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trinque so I made an openbsd home router, and as far as I can tell it's actually doing its job [22:33]
mircea_popescu wd. [22:34]
trinque appropriately blocked ports via pf, routing the internal network nicely [22:34]
williamdunne Any chance of a writeup on it? [22:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95908 @ 0.00024122 = 23.1349 BTC [-] {2} [22:35]
trinque williamdunne: I'll see about it; wasn't that hard [22:35]
trinque I'd have to put up some kind of blog thing [22:35]
trinque I tend to want to have a pretty thorough understanding of a thing before I try to teach anyone else, too [22:35]
trinque seems there are a hundred-million other knobs on pf I didn't use [22:36]
mod6 Update: gathering performance metrics on v0.5.3.1-RELEASE full blockchain sync [22:38]
trinque I'll also say that pf.conf seems to suffer from the same syntax-creep SQL does, where they just add more to the grammar for every feature [22:39]
trinque would've made more sense if it were a sort of function composition thing, where you're producing a function that'll process every packet [22:39]
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BingoBoingo I'll also say that pf.conf seems to suffer from the same syntax-creep SQL does, where they just add more to the grammar for every feature << Actually the problem is they've been supplanting inherited grammar inherited from ipfw they imitated to start with towards more of a sensible firewall language [22:55]
trinque ah I see [22:56]
BingoBoingo trinque: The worst of the pfconf stuff is inherited [22:58]
BingoBoingo "What people had come to expect" [22:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 265550 @ 0.00024397 = 64.7862 BTC [+] [23:00]
BingoBoingo Any chance of a writeup on it? << A distinct feature of OpenBSD is that outside of the man pages much of the best documentation is still produced on dead trees [23:02]
decimation trinque: what box did you use? x86? [23:02]
BingoBoingo Well, not a feature of OpenBSD, but their culture [23:02]
williamdunne BingoBoingo: GPG signed not good enough? [23:02]
decimation asciilifeform: that little fanless 486 would make an ideal serial terminal [23:03]
trinque decimation: yeah, an older p4 box [23:03]
decimation if it runs dos - then kermit! [23:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96295 @ 0.00025569 = 24.6217 BTC [+] [23:03]
williamdunne Maybe I could try and one-up them and climb up into the mountains for a few years and carve a guide into a stone tablet. [23:03]
BingoBoingo williamdunne: They sign things too, but... For their own use in releases they have a GPG alternative because GPG licensing violates part of their license purity directive. Dunno how good it is , but sometime hetrogyny is insteresting. [23:04]
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BingoBoingo williamdunne: WHat I mean by dead tree is. People in their WoT write comprehensive books and they all check and then promote the books [23:05]
scoopbot_revived Tips and tricks for being a successful (small time) landlord. http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/13/tips-and-tricks-for-being-a-successful-small-time-landlord/ [23:05]
decimation williamdunne: in snowdonia? [23:05]
williamdunne decimation: Depends on if a big hill gets me enough BSD points [23:06]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo think qntra would be a suitable platform for trinque's openbsd router guide ? [23:06]
trinque there are loads of other examples out there; my configuration isn't too interesting yet [23:07]
pete_dushenski i'm currently working on installing openbsd on an edgerouter and will publish my own guide once completed. [23:07]
pete_dushenski but... not there yet. [23:07]
pete_dushenski trinque i'd like to read yours ! [23:07]
trinque probably next step for me is to stick privoxy in the middle of the http traffic [23:07]
decimation williamdunne: do you live in devonshire? [23:07]
williamdunne decimation: arr' [23:07]
pete_dushenski as for 'loads of other examples', i've only seen one. [23:07]
decimation I would like to see the chalk cliffs one day [23:08]
trinque alright, maybe I'll do some writing this weekend [23:08]
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williamdunne decimation: Not my sorta thing personally. I'm still pissed off about the cliff collapsing and fucking up the trains for a couple of months [23:09]
decimation heh [23:09]
asciilifeform !up ascii_field [23:09]
decimation http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/07/the-genetic-map-of-britain/ < apparently devonshire and cornish folk are genetically distinct peoples [23:09]
assbot The genetic map of Britain - Gene Expression ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGd2rB ) [23:09]
williamdunne I'm not from here by birth, nor are my parents. But yeah, some nutjobs in Cornwall want to be an independent country. Ignoring the fact that they actually qualify for a european regional development fund [23:10]
asciilifeform !down ascii_field [23:10]
* asciilifeform fat fingers [23:10]
pete_dushenski williamdunne where's your family from originally ? [23:11]
decimation williamdunne < about as crazy as the scots [23:11]
williamdunne Bit of Irish, bit of Cornwall, even more home counties [23:11]
williamdunne Pretty much [23:11]
williamdunne Still think that London should separate [23:11]
decimation last time I was in london I found it depressing [23:12]
decimation awash in indians & pakistanis - doesn't feel english at all [23:12]
pete_dushenski "North Korea's Defence Minister Hyon Yong-chol has been executed, South Korea's spy agency has told parliament, according to media reports. South Korea's Yonhap news agency reported that MPs were told Mr Hyon had been killed on 30 April by anti-aircraft fire in front of an audience. He is believed to have been accused of showing disloyalty to North Korea's leader, Kim Jong-un." [23:12]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski> BingoBoingo think qntra would be a suitable platform for trinque's openbsd router guide ? << Would require consulting with the other equity partners on deciding if we will do how-to's or how to do them [23:12]
williamdunne decimation: Kinda like it personally. Never bothered me, although I've not been there for an extended period [23:13]
decimation anti-aircraft fire? [23:13]
trinque I'll just stick the thing on trinque.org and then you guys can make your own decisions re: newsworthiness [23:13]
pete_dushenski death by anti-aircraft fire reminiscent of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYV-qYeWPkk [23:13]
assbot Monty Python - Execution in Russia (funny sketch!) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGdjek ) [23:13]
decimation williamdunne: it's not that I'm a hater on asian folk, just that it doesn't have a distinct 'englishness' anymore [23:13]
pete_dushenski decimation you thought london was depressing ? cripes. never ever ever go to nyc. [23:14]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski trinque: http://www.nostarch.com/pf3 << The Bible on turning an OpenBSD box into its most common appliance flavor [23:14]
assbot Book of PF, 3rd Edition | No Starch Press ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGdoOV ) [23:14]
williamdunne decimation: Wasn't suggesting you were - I'm just not too bothered by the Englishness thing personally. If thats your boat the South West is probably as good as it gets [23:14]
decimation pete_dushenski: yeah that was even more depressing [23:14]
pete_dushenski london is the light of heaven compared to nyc [23:14]
williamdunne pete_dushenski: Also on par with financial stuff [23:15]
pete_dushenski and as far as former commercial centres go, london is about as good as it gets imo. [23:15]
trinque BingoBoingo: looks like our giant book emporium has it, thanks! (https://www.powells.com/biblio/1-9781593271657-4) [23:15]
decimation pete_dushenski: walking the streets of nyc, all I could think was: "how the hell do all these people afford to live her" [23:15]
decimation here [23:15]
BingoBoingo london is the light of heaven compared to nyc << And the jungles of Granite City put both of those so called cities to shame [23:15]
decimation pete_dushenski: london does have better museums than nyc in my opinion [23:16]
pete_dushenski most definitely. [23:16]
decimation probably the best in the world [23:16]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo granite city ? [23:16]
BingoBoingo trinque: I find that book for my network appliances what M. W. Lucas's BSD books are to my laptop [23:16]
pete_dushenski decimation no argument here. [23:16]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Granite City, Illinois [23:16]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1129300 << incorrect. from these figures alone, for sake of argument, it is technically possible that one key accounted for -all- of the moduli. [23:17]
assbot Logged on 12-05-2015 22:03:27; mircea_popescu: so ascii_field from the above, am i correct in deducing that there have been at most 47728 - 31262-4584 = 11882 (out of 47728, or ~1/4) keys without any RSA subkeys in them ? [23:17]
BingoBoingo ;;google granite city [23:17]
gribble Granite City Food and Brewery | Restaurant and In-House Brewery: ; Get directions to Davenport | Granite City Food and Brewery: ; Granite City Menu | Granite City Food and Brewery: [23:17]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo ahahha nice. [23:17]
asciilifeform (we know that this is not so - but from pure mathematical pedantry, must point out!) [23:17]
BingoBoingo ;;google granite city illinois [23:17]
gribble Granite City, Illinois.: ; Granite City, Illinois - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Granite City, Illinois (IL 62060) profile: population, maps, real estate ...: [23:17]
BingoBoingo ;;google granite city steel [23:17]
gribble Granite City Works - Granite City, Ill. - United States Steel Corporation: [23:17]
williamdunne Isn't being in the US a dis-qualifier from the get go? [23:17]
BingoBoingo williamdunne: No more than England. [23:18]
williamdunne Bears cave vs entrance of the cave? [23:18]
BingoBoingo Scotland and Occupied Ireland may have plusses over the US, but England not so. [23:18]
williamdunne What functional difference does it matter? [23:19]
williamdunne Derp [23:19]
williamdunne does it make [23:19]
pete_dushenski decimation the food in london, at least on a middling budget, was lackluster. or perhaps the museums and architecture just overshadowed the cuisine. [23:19]
decimation my impression was that the food was expensive as hell [23:19]
pete_dushenski certainly not cheap. [23:19]
decimation as a usian, I had to pretend that $1=1gbp or else I wouldn't eat anything [23:19]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1129306 << mircea_popescu is almost certainly correct, but in usa even multimillionaires (outside of the major cities) live in houses made of precisely these materials, linearly scaled up [23:19]
assbot Logged on 12-05-2015 22:05:41; mircea_popescu: "here i sit in a prefab vinyl siding plebhousing unit, burning a 50 dollar bill" ? [23:19]
pete_dushenski decimation but not worse than sydney [23:20]
decimation how much does a good steak cost in sydney? and a local beer? [23:20]
williamdunne Yeah London is definitely not cheap [23:20]
pete_dushenski see: http://www.contravex.com/2014/12/13/signs-of-sydney/ [23:20]
assbot Signs of Sydney | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGdTZz ) [23:20]
pete_dushenski decimation steak is probably $40, beer $8-10 ? [23:21]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1129332 << the sluts in question were received - correctly - as agents of western rot-weapon. and treated with unusual kindness on account of being pretty gurlz [23:21]
assbot Logged on 12-05-2015 22:17:42; mircea_popescu: not that it's not genuine sentiment, i'm sure to some degree it is. the topless sluts were ALSO genuine sentiment, for sure just as genuine, definitely as widely held. the result ? 400 people, beat up by police, not 4mn pushed by the govt press agents. [23:21]
decimation that's about average for a good steak in the us, but the beer is at least double [23:21]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1129342 << mr o habitually 'dips into own stash' - i.e. engages in wishful thinking and allows boundary of reality to blur in his mind. with this in mind, he is entirely readable [23:22]
assbot Logged on 12-05-2015 22:37:12; lobbes: I only just started reading Orlov's blog not too long ago. On alf's recommendation, I skipped to some of his earlier stuff (from roughly 2011?). I do get the feeling that he can either be 'hit or miss' at times. [23:22]
decimation one advantage of australia and new zealand is that they have to grow their own fresh vegetables - so everything is 'local' [23:22]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform re: housing. the cheap shit houses multimillionaires in cities too, well, 'suburbs' [23:22]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: in usa cities typically contain brick&cement structures [23:22]
pete_dushenski for houses ?? [23:22]
BingoBoingo ... << mircea_popescu is almost certainly correct, but in usa even multimillionaires (outside of the major cities) live in houses made of precisely these materials, linearly scaled up << In my hometown Beautiful brick house on well maintained lot going for 75 kiloUSD Vinyl equivalent 100 kiloUSD higher [23:22]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: for the kind of houses found in cities (that is, high-rises) [23:23]
decimation pete_dushenski & asciilifeform : what about the koch brothers building their own western town in the middle of nowhere colorado [23:23]
* asciilifeform has not been there, cannot say [23:23]
asciilifeform it could have disney princesses for all i know [23:23]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo bizarre... [23:23]
asciilifeform i am operating with the common definition of 'city' as this place where civilians live in high-rises [23:23]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: in usa cities typically contain brick&cement structures << Very common in "city proper" [23:23]
pete_dushenski well, for high-rises sure. [23:24]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Nah, old low rises [23:24]
pete_dushenski houses, even $2 mn ones, have concrete foundation and wood beam construction in these parts. [23:24]
BingoBoingo There's reasons the lowest in St Louis burn buildings for their brick [23:24]
cazalla people here use to pay top dollar for the land but they have this scam of building 6 shoddy buildings where one use to stand so people are paying 500k pretty much for bricks [23:25]
decimation pete_dushenski: yeah, in the us more expensive homes are just bigger wooden boxes, built by central americans [23:25]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1129376 << diet is today, as was then, the main thing one could actually control re: one's body. and the ancient observation 'you are what you eat' appears to -still- be a revolutionary concept to 'fat acceptors' et al. [23:25]
assbot Logged on 12-05-2015 23:23:27; gabriel_laddel: his(their) ability, to develop the practice of medicine in accordance with reality. Being subject to the prejudice and technical limitations of the times is inescapable (the notion of "humors" may have made more sense without knowing of chemical reactions). The notes on the constitution of a patient's stool, fasting and diet are probably still valid. In the 'General Introduction' Jone [23:25]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform that's hardly a common definition in north america. why ? sprawl. no geographic boundaries to contain construction from going horizontal rather than vertical. [23:25]
BingoBoingo Wood beams has always been the north American Standard. Wood's been so easy to get. [23:25]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: in my mind, the zone where 'things go horizontal' is 'not city' by definition [23:26]
asciilifeform in usa we call it 'suburb' [23:26]
asciilifeform and it is its own type of zone [23:26]
asciilifeform (i happen to live in one) [23:26]
decimation asciilifeform: what do you call mcmansions in greater montgomery county [23:26]
asciilifeform 'city' is where they have underground trains, high-rises, things older than 50yrs [23:26]
asciilifeform etc. [23:26]
pete_dushenski decimation indeed. we're seeing increasing amounts of mexican and south us (black) labourers. rest are polacks and newfies (like nubbins`_ [23:26]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1129391 << i am rather surprised to learn that anyone but me still gives a damn about gentoo [23:27]
assbot Logged on 12-05-2015 23:38:48; mod6: To begin with, I was completely unfamiliar with gentoo in any sense -- aside from once trying to set it up from the Handbook, which I found that I didn't have time to work my way through and get it set up properly. So my goal was to get familiar with Gentoo and to start to build a system that can be agreed upon that suits our needs for building bitcoind. [23:27]
decimation pete_dushenski: amusingly it is my understanding that the central americans have nearly completely displaced certain construction trades, to the point that it is nearly impossible for a regular white (or black) person to work on a 'framing team' [23:28]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform that's reasonable. it's also funny to note that while i live in the city proper, it's all of two square kilometers out of, what, 40 ? 80 ? [23:28]
asciilifeform (i had the impression that mircea_popescu gave up with it) [23:28]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: I misrememebred priced at $95 kilo, prolly sell for $75 kilo still http://www.trulia.com/property/3187919868-1515-7th-St-Highland-IL-62249 [23:28]
pete_dushenski lolk so edmonton is listed on wikipedia as having 9,426.73 km2 metro area. [23:28]
assbot 1515 7th Street, Highland, IL For Sale | Trulia.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGeuKB ) [23:28]
pete_dushenski so much for using my broken head ! [23:29]
pete_dushenski really. wtf. where all my zeros at ? [23:29]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129449 << orlov assumes that usa will occupy self with same army - and same aimlessness - with which it occupied iraq. this is not a proven fact. [23:29]
assbot Logged on 13-05-2015 00:09:37; mircea_popescu: but of much more direct interest, "It is hard to see why this same pattern wouldn't hold once the US places much of itself under military occupation." [23:29]
cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129714 <<< a lot of the good pork/beef/lamb is exported and the supermarkets import shit from china [23:31]
assbot Logged on 13-05-2015 02:17:59; decimation: one advantage of australia and new zealand is that they have to grow their own fresh vegetables - so everything is 'local' [23:31]
decimation asciilifeform: does the 486 'headless client' run dos? [23:31]
pete_dushenski decimation well, they gotta start south and work their way north, y'know ? i'm at 53* N latitude ! [23:31]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129468 << does running free bus from a public university to add meat to the 'peaceful protest' count as 'provoke' ? [23:31]
assbot Logged on 13-05-2015 00:29:49; trinque: I've wondered, considering it from the other end, whether the govt's trying to provoke fergusons and baltimores. [23:31]
asciilifeform because they did. i saw - alive. [23:32]
asciilifeform decimation: of course it will run dos [23:32]
asciilifeform decimation: it is why i bought it [23:32]
decimation not gonna put linux on it? [23:32]
asciilifeform (in point of fact, a modern pc actually will run dos. but i also want to run classic sound card in dos) [23:32]
cazalla another trick the use is to import shit from china via new zealand so as to label it packaged/made in new zealand instead of made in china [23:32]
pete_dushenski ftr 53.5* N latitude is the same as hamburg, dublin, and manchester [23:32]
asciilifeform decimation: why would i do that. i have no shortage of things to put linux on [23:32]
decimation yeah, good point, plus if it's a dumb terminal it wouldn't add any value [23:33]
asciilifeform if i wanted a terminal, i'd buy an ibm 'glass tty' [23:33]
asciilifeform used to have one, it got lost in a move [23:33]
asciilifeform ibm green-screen [23:33]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: But note the distinct discount wood offers over both brick and vinyl http://www.trulia.com/property/3201379883-1514-Broadway-Highland-IL-62249 [23:34]
assbot 1514 Broadway, Highland, IL For Sale | Trulia.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGeU3G ) [23:34]
decimation then it pisses xrays everywhere [23:34]
asciilifeform 'radiation king' [23:34]
BingoBoingo ^ Location in town could not be better [23:34]
asciilifeform http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111026121420/fallout/de/images/d/d8/Rad_king.jpg [23:34]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGeY3u ) [23:34]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo heh. notbad. [23:35]
asciilifeform http://ru.fallout.wikia.com/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8D%D0%B9%D1%88%D0%B5%D0%BD-%D0%9A%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B3_(%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F)?file=FO3RadiationKingTV1.png [23:35]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: I'm scared to thing how much more that last property would sell for as a bare lot [23:35]
assbot Радиэйшен-Кинг (компания) — Убежище ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGf0IC ) [23:35]
pete_dushenski "Carissa Yip, 11, has become the youngest chess master in the US. " << man, those old usian men need to step it up ! [23:35]
cazalla BingoBoingo, suburb i live in http://www.domain.com.au/property/for-sale/house/vic/ringwood/?adid=2011961985&sp=15 [23:36]
assbot Ringwood, VIC 3134 | 3 Bedroom House For Sale [23:36]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: it might be interesting to learn who is still playing [23:37]
asciilifeform possibly it is only 11yo gurlz [23:37]
pete_dushenski "Carissa Yip from Andover, Massachusetts earned the title last month and also became the youngest to ever to defeat a grandmaster, Alexander Ivanov, during the New England Open in 2014." << ok. she's good. [23:37]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform ivanov sounds like one of your (our?) people. [23:37]
asciilifeform idk, can't say i followed chess in the past decade [23:37]
williamdunne Good article for Qntra: [23:37]
williamdunne http://www.wired.com/2015/05/new-york-backs-bitcoin-exchange-may-not-fly-california/ [23:37]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwWIMO ) [23:37]
williamdunne Sure there is plenty of stupidity that can be pointed out [23:37]
pete_dushenski http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Ivanov_(chess_player)#/media/File:Grand_Master_Alexander_Ivanov.jpg [23:38]
assbot Alexander Ivanov (chess player) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwWJQL ) [23:38]
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pete_dushenski ^'american' [23:38]
BingoBoingo williamdunne: Covered already http://qntra.net/2015/05/itbit-unveils-new-board-confirming-qntra-report/ [23:38]
assbot ItBit Unveils New Board Confirming Qntra Report | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwWN33 ) [23:38]
pete_dushenski okie dokie gang, off to save the world. laters !! [23:39]
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williamdunne BingoBoingo: Its saying that they may need further licenses - slightly different, no? [23:39]
decimation asciilifeform: did you see the osama death raid 'alternate history'? [23:39]
williamdunne >Alexander >Ivanov [23:39]
asciilifeform decimation: ? [23:40]
BingoBoingo williamdunne: "CoinBase earlier announced licensing to operate as an exchange in all 50 states, an assertion which was later found to be questionable." [23:40]
williamdunne BingoBoingo: This is re: itbit not CoinBase [23:40]
williamdunne Same stupidity different party [23:40]
BingoBoingo williamdunne: Sentence from ItBit article highlighting how this problem has happened before and will happen again. [23:41]
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decimation http://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n10/seymour-m-hersh/the-killing-of-osama-bin-laden [23:41]
assbot Seymour M. Hersh · The Killing of Osama bin Laden · LRB 21 May 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGfG0E ) [23:41]
BingoBoingo None of ItBit, CoinBase, or Gerald "DeathandTaxes" will ever get licensure in all 50 US states because of Federalism yet they will all pretend to have reached it. [23:42]
decimation obama's staff said it is all lies [23:42]
asciilifeform decimation: the official story not only does not add up, but wtf, they killed all of the witnesses (own soldiers) in 'training accidents' aha. [23:43]
asciilifeform does not add or subtract to the credibility of linked piece. but worth noting. [23:44]
decimation aye [23:44]
asciilifeform 'The retired official said there had been another complication: some members of the Seal team had bragged to colleagues and others that they had torn bin Laden’s body to pieces with rifle fire. The remains, including his head, which had only a few bullet holes in it, were thrown into a body bag and, during the helicopter flight back to Jalalabad, some body parts were tossed out over the Hindu Kush mountains – or so the Sea [23:46]
asciilifeform ls claimed. At the time, the retired official said, the Seals did not think their mission would be made public by Obama within a few hours: ‘If the president had gone ahead with the cover story, there would have been no need to have a funeral within hours of the killing. Once the cover story was blown, and the death was made public, the White House had a serious “Where’s the body?” problem. ' [23:46]
decimation makes sense [23:46]
asciilifeform 'The world knew US forces had killed bin Laden in Abbottabad. Panic city. What to do? We need a “functional body” because we have to be able to say we identified bin Laden via a DNA analysis. It would be navy officers who came up with the “burial at sea” idea. Perfect. No body. Honourable burial following sharia law. Burial is made public in great detail, but Freedom of Information documents confirming the burial are d [23:47]
asciilifeform enied for reasons of “national security”. It’s the classic unravelling of a poorly constructed cover story – it solves an immediate problem but, given the slightest inspection, there is no back-up support. There never was a plan, initially, to take the body to sea, and no burial of bin Laden at sea took place.’ The retired official said that if the Seals’ first accounts are to be believed, there wouldn’t have bee [23:47]
asciilifeform n much left of bin Laden to put into the sea in any case.' [23:47]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129594 << physics boy [23:48]
assbot Logged on 13-05-2015 01:27:04; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check out the fate of jew boy. http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mda39zViQZ1rrufxwo1_1280.jpg [23:48]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i would dearly like to learn the context for this picture ^ [23:49]
asciilifeform and is this a good fate or no [23:49]
asciilifeform perhaps he was - poor student. [23:49]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129622 << you were thinking of netbsd? which has that idiotic turd, using openssl [23:51]
assbot Logged on 13-05-2015 02:00:08; BingoBoingo: williamdunne: They sign things too, but... For their own use in releases they have a GPG alternative because GPG licensing violates part of their license purity directive. Dunno how good it is , but sometime hetrogyny is insteresting. [23:51]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Nah, OpenBSD has "signify" uses NACL based thing [23:58]
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asciilifeform ah hm. [23:59]
asciilifeform about as distasteful as openssl [23:59]
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