Forum logs for 12 Jun 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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asciilifeform	trinque: see also, possibly relevant, my old article re: prehistoric crypto in usg: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1323	[00:06]
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punkman	http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/news-room/content/20150605STO63242/html/TTIP-what-exactly-is-the-ISDS-mechanism-for-resolving-investor-disputes	[11:08]
assbot	TTIP: what exactly is the ISDS mechanism for resolving investor disputes? ... ( http://bit.ly/1GC0694 )	[11:08]
mircea_popescu	an exercise in spurious stupidity ?	[11:09]
punkman	oh wrong link, meant to post this http://www.eureporter.co/frontpage/2015/06/10/european-parliament-ttip-vote-cancelled-because-of-huge-public-pressure-say-green-meps/	[11:09]
assbot	European Parliament TTIP vote cancelled ‘because of huge public pressure’ : EU Reporter ... ( http://bit.ly/1GC09Sl )	[11:09]
funkenstein_	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1161721 <-- more like it saved his career, imho	[11:10]
assbot	Logged on 12-06-2015 02:32:16; asciilifeform: http://www.slate.com/articles/life/the_spectator/2011/02/an_unsung_hero_of_the_nuclear_age.html << as described here.	[11:10]
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funkenstein_	and from that article a major explosion of oxymoron detector: "Israeli military ethicist"	[11:12]
mircea_popescu	what, by being israeli one's automatically unethical ? or above ethics ?	[11:12]
funkenstein_	israeli military	[11:13]
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funkenstein_	heck military ethicist is bad enough	[11:14]
mircea_popescu	i don't see it.	[11:15]
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mircea_popescu	you're not going to start with "life's the greatest good in and of itself" and "we're all equal so consequently no-one's life is worth less than the shine on your shoes" are you ?	[11:17]
funkenstein_	How about most experiences prostitutes monogamy discussion group	[11:17]
mircea_popescu	how about what ?	[11:17]
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funkenstein_	How about top quadraplegic jugglers?	[11:18]
mircea_popescu	you know, neither of these map on the original at all, and amusingly enough neither of these carries what you want it to, either.	[11:18]
mircea_popescu	how about "most unwinged featherless flat nailed bipedals flight club"	[11:19]
funkenstein_	How about, bitcoin-assets windows ssl expert?	[11:19]
mircea_popescu	if people were meant to fly they'd have had wings and if quadriplegics were meant to juggle they'd have had arms.	[11:19]
mircea_popescu	im pretty sure we have one	[11:19]
mircea_popescu	what exactly is your ethical objection to killing people, anyway ?	[11:20]
funkenstein_	none do as good as the original, lol still cracks me up	[11:20]
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funkenstein_	none	[11:21]
funkenstein_	depends on the context	[11:21]
mircea_popescu	so then....	[11:21]
mircea_popescu	guy's job would be to context.	[11:21]
funkenstein_	but the organization in question is regarded as expert in driving ethics out of young recruits minds	[11:21]
mircea_popescu	whose ethics ?	[11:21]
funkenstein_	any	[11:22]
mircea_popescu	there's no such thing as "ethics".	[11:22]
funkenstein_	follow orders, don't think	[11:22]
mircea_popescu	regarded by whom ?	[11:22]
mircea_popescu	and moreover, since when is the young recruit a standard of measure ?	[11:22]
funkenstein_	actualy i agree with you on that no such thing as ethics.. but that's a longer discussion	[11:22]
funkenstein_	regarded by themselves, for example	[11:22]
mircea_popescu	next you're going to judge the fief by the state of the peasantry.	[11:23]
mircea_popescu	wtf is this, socialism ?	[11:23]
mircea_popescu	if the young recruits weren't imbeciles, one probably wouldn't have to drive the broken fragments of a dysfunctionally-superficial pseudo-ethics out of their dumb skulls.	[11:23]
funkenstein_	it made me lol because, hey, pick a side	[11:24]
mircea_popescu	but as it is, it impedes function.	[11:24]
mircea_popescu	and their bid is to redeem their human worthlesness through functionality	[11:24]
mircea_popescu	the point of every beta male since we were not yet descended.	[11:24]
funkenstein_	if you want merciless military, then go for it. but don't say "oh and here's our feelings discussion group"	[11:25]
mircea_popescu	that may well be what you're reading into it, rather than what they're saying.	[11:25]
mircea_popescu	lemme point out that the "feelings" idiots have no monopoly on ethics.	[11:25]
mircea_popescu	in fact, they have absolutely no connection to ethics.	[11:26]
mircea_popescu	if physics is mentioned do you automatically think of aluminum siding salesmen ?	[11:26]
funkenstein_	so Ethiks.. from the greek?	[11:27]
mircea_popescu	i imagine in this case from the hebrew.	[11:27]
mats	http://www.nature.com/srep/2015/150611/srep10768/full/srep10768.html via /.	[11:28]
assbot	Microrobotic tentacles with spiral bending capability based on shape-engineered elastomeric microtubes : Scientific Reports : Nature Publishing Group ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvI32z )	[11:28]
mircea_popescu	moreover, killing and mercilessness aren't in the automatic relationship here proposed. there is such a thing as mercy killing.	[11:28]
asciilifeform	there is also merciless sparing	[11:29]
mircea_popescu	so there is.	[11:29]
mircea_popescu	"VelocityViewServlet : Error processing a template for path '/vrender'	[11:29]
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mircea_popescu	java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: GC overhead limit exceeded"	[11:29]
mircea_popescu	aww, java lang outta memory ? I HAVE NEVER SEEN THIS B4	[11:29]
asciilifeform	l0ltr0n1c! what was mircea_popescu running ?	[11:29]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform amusingly enough, mats link	[11:29]
mircea_popescu	b-a slashdotted nature.com	[11:29]
mats	oh nature	[11:29]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform VELOCITYVIEW mind you!!1	[11:30]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1161800 << how does that work ?	[11:30]
assbot	Logged on 12-06-2015 14:20:45; mircea_popescu: and their bid is to redeem their human worthlesness through functionality	[11:30]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform exactly what the slavegirl says : i am nothing, use me for something so in that i may become someone.	[11:30]
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asciilifeform	this sorta describes the condition one tries to beat soldiers into	[11:31]
mircea_popescu	mno. this describes the condition of the vast majority of males.	[11:31]
mircea_popescu	the beating is so they stop lying about it.	[11:31]
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mircea_popescu	chiefly, to themselves.	[11:31]
mircea_popescu	that's what beating does, confronts the beta with the incontrovertible "if what i pretend were true and what i know to be true were not, how come i am then beaten ???"	[11:32]
mircea_popescu	"i should be doing the beating"	[11:32]
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mircea_popescu	before it comes to actual beatings, plenty of excuses to be had from all quarters	[11:33]
mircea_popescu	usually in the form "my real self hasn't emerged yet, but once it does... it took karate!11 it'll show you!11"	[11:33]
asciilifeform	http://cryptome.org/2015/06/nsa-sid-hacker.pdf << l0l of the day! >> http://dpaste.com/1A5KQF4.txt	[11:34]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1MvIIBi )	[11:34]
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mircea_popescu	POSSIBLE CLASSIFICATION IS TOP SECRET FROM: the SIDtoday Editor	[11:34]
funkenstein_	just because one has been beaten does not mean one is "someone"	[11:35]
mircea_popescu	orly ?!	[11:35]
mircea_popescu	"You'll see people in shorts, tee-shirts, flip-flops, black clothes."	[11:35]
mircea_popescu	ok these are retards.	[11:35]
mircea_popescu	funkenstein_ how did you read that in wha i said tho ?!	[11:35]
funkenstein_	i agree we all seek intelligent masters...	[11:36]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: if you were to learn that they dress the programmers in evening coats instead, would not also say 'retards' ?	[11:36]
funkenstein_	but the one doing the beating is sadly often the less intelligent one	[11:36]
mircea_popescu	so what, you propose the presence of an ethics officer pleads against the jdf's intelligence ?	[11:36]
funkenstein_	idf please	[11:37]
funkenstein_	jdf wtf???	[11:37]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yes dude, whenever magic is discussed in terms of the robes and hats i will say retards.	[11:37]
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mircea_popescu	funkenstein_ aok	[11:37]
mircea_popescu	funkenstein_ yes my whip is not the most intelligent part of the household. so what of it.	[11:37]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: as i understood, the robes were mentioned because 'see how unique is our directorate, we let the kidz dress in rags if they wish'	[11:37]
mircea_popescu	dja know how you train bulldogs ?	[11:37]
funkenstein_	hey, I'm here for a reason :)	[11:37]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform always an excuse, sure. they only did it ironically, you say ? fine, fine.	[11:38]
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nubbins`	so here's a lame article	[11:38]
nubbins`	http://www.vice.com/read/the-tale-of-the-final-fantasy-vii-house-is-a-window-into-the-dark-side-of-cosplay-529	[11:38]
assbot	When Fandom Goes Wrong: The Dark Tale of the 'Final Fantasy VII' House \| VICE \| United States ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvJgqM )	[11:38]
mircea_popescu	("ironically" is this internet meme where the actor pretends his actions are stupid but he knows it, he merely engages because of reasons. his job, his audience, tptb etc)	[11:38]
nubbins`	tldr, some crazy lady rented a house and was a bit crazy	[11:38]
mircea_popescu	funkenstein_ you sit them in the door and you slam the door into them. they WILL chew down the door, but also learn better.	[11:39]
nubbins`	feel free to skim the first few paragraphs to get a feel for the content	[11:39]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i've no idea why they did it beyond the obvious fact that the type of public employed there traditionally dresses in rags	[11:39]
mircea_popescu	there's a reason those doing the beating are the dumbest of hte lot. this does not invalidate the beating.	[11:39]
nubbins`	then, for the adult version of the same story, check this one out: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/paxton-s-version-police-interview-transcript-1.1271885	[11:39]
assbot	Paxton's version: police interview transcript - Calgary - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvJmP8 )	[11:39]
nubbins`	asciilifeform get a chance to peek at that message?	[11:39]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` so why even link vice then ?	[11:39]
mircea_popescu	this hot topic of the internet.	[11:39]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: yes. we have those here. boring, sop.	[11:39]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu the vice thing popped up today and reminded me of the paxton caser	[11:40]
nubbins`	*case	[11:40]
nubbins`	very long transcript but filled with actual crazy.	[11:40]
mircea_popescu	a ok	[11:40]
nubbins`	the torture victim's name and picture were originally published but have since had a publication ban, so it's now "the victim" and the pics are all blurred.	[11:41]
nubbins`	really strange	[11:41]
nubbins`	there's conjecture that this is all related to outstanding investigations into hell's angels	[11:41]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` im not gonna read 69 pages of this thing and the article doesn't make it too clear , i could see either side. got some selected quotes ?	[11:42]
mircea_popescu	of course "investigation into hell's angels" is very much a case of police fighting a feud.	[11:42]
nubbins`	hard to find good examples, the crazy is spread out	[11:44]
nubbins`	it's a 233 page interview	[11:44]
nubbins`	http://i.imgur.com/ZOKvKFf.png	[11:44]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1MvK0wa )	[11:44]
mircea_popescu	not a great sign	[11:44]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: the photos in the vice article look exactly like the ones i described in old thread - http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2015#996769	[11:44]
assbot	Logged on 29-01-2015 04:13:16; asciilifeform: i saw the insides of a few, when peeking around to rent a house last year	[11:44]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` how would you explain the state of a roommate's palate ?	[11:45]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu depends on whether i tortured him or not?	[11:45]
mircea_popescu	suppose some ignorant twerps who think it's spelled palette asked you, about the cook dude	[11:45]
mircea_popescu	this is an established fact now ?	[11:45]
nubbins`	guy presented to ER weighing 80lbs down from 250, with his entire bottom lip missing	[11:45]
mircea_popescu	ok...	[11:46]
nubbins`	covered in welts and cuts, ears cauliflowered	[11:46]
nubbins`	brain damage	[11:46]
nubbins`	etc	[11:46]
mircea_popescu	and you believe this is an impossibility re your cook roommate ?	[11:46]
nubbins`	cook roomie is gone :D	[11:46]
mircea_popescu	or do you believe you're in any case responsible ?	[11:46]
mircea_popescu	heh. i see, good for you.	[11:46]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: i dare to suggest that the vice article is a work of fiction. and that the illustrations are of the author's own dwelling.	[11:47]
mircea_popescu	this is the standard interepretation whenever something appears in vice/slate/the rest of the shitsites.	[11:47]
mircea_popescu	the case being otherwise is an extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary evidence	[11:48]
asciilifeform	this one has the stereotypical smell of just such a work.	[11:48]
mircea_popescu	on par with extraterrestrials opening a bronx pond shop	[11:48]
asciilifeform	the 'corners are rounded', so to speak.	[11:48]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[11:48]
nubbins`	http://i.imgur.com/VblZ5Ek.png	[11:49]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1MvKJxm )	[11:49]
nubbins`	asciilifeform half the kids i went to uni with had houses messier than that	[11:49]
nubbins`	"look at this ghastly photo of a couple things laid on an unmade bed"	[11:49]
nubbins`	http://i.imgur.com/SMPaPIF.png	[11:49]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1MvKJgO )	[11:49]
nubbins`	^ check last 2 photos in order	[11:49]
mircea_popescu	aha the det crippen guy knows his job	[11:50]
mircea_popescu	i am at this point judging by the implicit cues and my understanding/preconceived notions re a functional police force that they most likely got their man.	[11:50]
mircea_popescu	now whether you'd convict on thebasis of that mostlycomes down to whether you're republican or democrat.	[11:51]
danielpbarron	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZp7UGgBR0I	[11:51]
assbot	Why the blocksize limit keeps Bitcoin free and decentralized - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvL4A5 )	[11:51]
nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/dustin-paxton-s-victim-says-brain-damage-kept-him-from-fleeing-1.2437472	[11:51]
assbot	Dustin Paxton's victim says brain damage kept him from fleeing - CBC News - Latest Canada, World, Entertainment and Business News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvL6YC )	[11:52]
nubbins`	googling "dustin paxton" brings pics of the victim, but i can't recommend you look at them	[11:52]
mircea_popescu	oh, we're squamish now /	[11:53]
nubbins`	fuck it then	[11:53]
nubbins`	http://i.imgur.com/KgUc0uG.jpg	[11:53]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1MvLkyV )	[11:53]
nubbins`	click away :P	[11:53]
mircea_popescu	http://www.calgarysun.com/2015/01/20/dustin-paxton-the-torturer-and-calgarys-jessica-rogers-the-liar-now-a-couple-and-dr-phil-episode << lol they look just like ordinary internet ppls.	[11:54]
assbot	Dustin Paxton (the torturer) and Calgary's Jessica Rogers (the liar) now a coupl ... ( http://bit.ly/1L5eJTv )	[11:54]
mircea_popescu	maybe they could take up the cause of feminism in gaming or something	[11:55]
mircea_popescu	anyway, this gave me a chuckle :	[11:57]
mircea_popescu	“I'm glad that he was declared a dangerous offender, but that only takes one person off the street, and there are lots of Paxtons out there, so the laws have to be changed to keep the public safe,” she said.	[11:57]
mircea_popescu	“They’re safe from Paxton, but they’re not safe from people like Paxton.”	[11:57]
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mircea_popescu	strange case of inversion from	[11:58]
mircea_popescu	William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!	[11:58]
mircea_popescu	Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?	[11:58]
mircea_popescu	William Roper: Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!	[11:58]
mircea_popescu	Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safe	[11:58]
mircea_popescu	ty's sake!	[11:58]
nubbins`	last one	[11:58]
nubbins`	http://i.imgur.com/D6uTRz2.png	[11:58]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1MvM0o4 )	[11:58]
mircea_popescu	ie... and once the public's safe from all the paxtons, who's to keep isis out of the usis ?	[11:58]
nubbins`	related: http://gangstersout.blogspot.ca/2010/05/dustin-lafortune-moved-to-calgary-few.html	[12:00]
assbot	Gangsters Out Blog: Hells Angel murder witness badly tortured ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvMkTR )	[12:00]
mircea_popescu	is there a bdsm angle to all of this ?	[12:01]
mircea_popescu	bikers, (leather's missing), weird living arrangements ?	[12:01]
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nubbins`	i've been reading about this case off and on for 4+ years and i still can't make any sense of it	[12:04]
nubbins`	dude did beat his roomie w/ dog leashes, extension cords, etc	[12:04]
nubbins`	is it still considered bdsm if only one party is into it? :D	[12:04]
mircea_popescu	by whom ?	[12:04]
mircea_popescu	by nature, yes. inasmuch as a party doesn't fight back, a welt's a welt and a smack's a smack you know ? whether you kloink your slave or your roomate over the head, whether they consented to it or not doesn't enter in the functions that return "isbraindamage" as aboolean.	[12:06]
nubbins`	i read once that the victim was actually brought around to various locations to be beaten by different people	[12:08]
mircea_popescu	i wonder why they're not chasing the bdsm angle.	[12:08]
mircea_popescu	you'd expect it from the press neh ?	[12:08]
mircea_popescu	is there some sort of canadian conspiraci ? are they afraid of that derpy canadian corp i bitchslapped thisspring ?	[12:09]
nubbins`	ehhh i think BDSM angle doesn't add any further drama	[12:09]
nubbins`	it's crazy enough as it is	[12:09]
mircea_popescu	itdoesn't add any further drama ? you have the quote above.	[12:10]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1161932	[12:10]
assbot	Logged on 12-06-2015 14:54:10; mircea_popescu: “They’re safe from Paxton, but they’re not safe from people like Paxton.”	[12:10]
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nubbins`	there was a push after this to add "torture" to the criminal code	[12:11]
nubbins`	as it stands, in canada, it's only torture if it's performed by a state	[12:12]
mircea_popescu	https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/Paul_Jamin_-_Le_Brenn_et_sa_part_de_butin_1893.jpg <<	[12:12]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1MvNQFA )	[12:12]
mircea_popescu	brennus and his part of ... booty :D	[12:12]
shinohai	http://indianexpress.com/article/india/in-2015s-biggest-seizure-customs-officials-at-mumbai-airport-seize-gold-worth-rs-1-99-crore-from-aircraft-toilets/ O.o	[12:12]
assbot	Customs officials at Mumbai airport seize gold worth Rs 1.99 cr from aircraft toilets \| The Indian Express ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvNU84 )	[12:12]
nubbins`	250kg gold since january :0	[12:13]
nubbins`	what are they doing, repatriating it to the usa? :D	[12:14]
mircea_popescu	lol, the indian state is desperate because minority holder in the country. indians are nuts with the stuff.	[12:15]
shinohai	Someone may have literally shit gold bricks.	[12:15]
mircea_popescu	but yes, they are, "storing" it where the germans did.	[12:15]
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scoopbot_revived	Franz Joseph I, Angela Merkel, and 4638 C4CA take their vows. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/12/franz-joseph-i-angela-merkel-and-4638-c4ca-take-their-vows/	[12:23]
kakobrekla	hehe, gossipd still not done till 2115.	[12:25]
thestringpuller	nubbins`: you get my pm?	[12:26]
mircea_popescu	i'd bet on that...	[12:26]
thestringpuller	so garzik proposes a soft-fork, and the shills act more retarded than ever stating, "No. We need to hard fork the network and up the cap."	[12:28]
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pete_dushenski	kakobrekla: lmao y'know that's a point i hadn't considered.	[12:30]
pete_dushenski	or mebbe 'gossipd' does exist in a century but the kids are calling it 'irc' for nostalgia's sake	[12:31]
pete_dushenski	and by 'the kids' i mean the lordship	[12:31]
pete_dushenski	in any event, promises to do this or that 'by the end of the century even though we won't have a country' is the 2nd lulziest shit all week	[12:32]
pete_dushenski	after david thorne, naturally	[12:32]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1161667 << true story, i had the mazda version of the same car	[12:33]
assbot	Logged on 12-06-2015 01:41:21; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: these remind me of an ancient car i've always wanted to drive, 'ford probe'	[12:33]
pete_dushenski	ford and mazda co-developed the platform and each made their own body style atop it	[12:34]
pete_dushenski	many parts were shared to save costs	[12:34]
pete_dushenski	the digital dashboard included	[12:34]
pete_dushenski	my 1988 mazda mx-6 had the digital dashboard	[12:34]
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pete_dushenski	http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/8315/dsc000800224956.jpg << as seen here	[12:36]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1MvRhMt )	[12:36]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1161628 << '82 all day. i loved the lines of that car as a kid.	[12:37]
assbot	Logged on 12-06-2015 01:22:27; ben_vulpes: http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/5067940938.html vs http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/5050595367.html	[12:37]
pete_dushenski	mebbe a 5-6 year old	[12:37]
pete_dushenski	9-10 year-old me wanted a jeep tj for some reason	[12:37]
pete_dushenski	then computers came along and i didn't give a shit about cars until 2nd year university	[12:38]
pete_dushenski	after taking public transport for an hour each way to class when it was only a 10-minute drive, i started caring about cars pretty quickly	[12:38]
nubbins`	thestringpuller yep, got it	[12:41]
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nubbins`	is this something you actually plan on doing, or is this another instance of me wasting a bunch of time generating a quote for something that won't happen?	[12:42]
pete_dushenski	ben_vulpes: also, those vettes are a steal compared to the ones here http://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars/strathcona-county/corvette-collectors-edition/1071669781 << "from washington state"	[12:42]
assbot	Corvette Collectors Edition \| classic cars \| Strathcona County \| Kijiji ... ( http://bit.ly/1f6VhIC )	[12:42]
pete_dushenski	that's an extreme example, but even 'non-collectors' c3 vettes are still $15-20k here	[12:44]
thestringpuller	nubbins`: depends on the cost.	[12:47]
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funkenstein_	those are some nice wheelchairs	[12:50]
jurov	http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/dont-listen-to-edward-snowdens-supporters--his-leaks-have-been-a-gift-to-terrorists-10307959.html such bull	[12:51]
assbot	Don't listen to Edward Snowden's supporters – his leaks have been a gift to terrorists - Comment - Voices - The Independent	[12:51]
pete_dushenski	"Snowden’s actions have also led to terrorist groups developing new encryption technology."	[13:02]
pete_dushenski	more like "Snowden’s actions have also led to terrorist groups to discard new encryption technology in favour of good ol' pgp. "	[13:02]
pete_dushenski	sorry, "new techmologee"	[13:02]
pete_dushenski	"In Britain, GCHQ’s ability to monitor crime gangs – including those involved in people trafficking and drugs – has been reduced by a quarter."	[13:03]
pete_dushenski	haha excellent.	[13:03]
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pete_dushenski	funkenstein_: replied http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/10/space-travel-isnt-for-you-there-are-no-virgins-there-either/#comment-20265	[13:18]
assbot	Space travel isn’t for you. There are no virgins there either. \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1f6Y5FU )	[13:18]
pete_dushenski	aaaand i'm off to meatlandia ! laters !	[13:21]
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nubbins`	thestringpuller summers are busy so if this is a real project, yes, otherwise no	[13:26]
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mats	https://www.nccgroup.trust/uk/about-us/newsroom-and-events/blogs/2015/june/blind-return-oriented-programming	[13:59]
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fluffypony	http://i.imgur.com/MOCMJ3t.jpg	[14:28]
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jurov	howdy! having 'roos outbreak in south africa?	[14:30]
fluffypony	lol	[14:31]
fluffypony	nah, that's for cazalla's benefit ;)	[14:31]
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jurov	https://twitter.com/gavinandresen/status/608953783008243712 << leaving this here for danielpbarron	[14:32]
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trinque	jurov: I already see him in that thread	[14:33]
ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128131 << see also.	[14:33]
assbot	Logged on 11-05-2015 18:32:09; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128111 << ancient drm wankatron where lusers are somehow coerced into 'proving' that they run virginal winblows which will obey usg dictat	[14:33]
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ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162009 << 3/4 short of goal.	[14:36]
assbot	Logged on 12-06-2015 15:59:37; pete_dushenski: "In Britain, GCHQ’s ability to monitor crime gangs – including those involved in people trafficking and drugs – has been reduced by a quarter."	[14:36]
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ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1161973 << what even.	[14:41]
assbot	Logged on 12-06-2015 15:19:36; scoopbot_revived: Franz Joseph I, Angela Merkel, and 4638 C4CA take their vows. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/12/franz-joseph-i-angela-merkel-and-4638-c4ca-take-their-vows/	[14:41]
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trinque	2115? :(	[14:44]
trinque	gimme the 2040s at the latest	[14:44]
ascii_field	that wasn't even the lulziest thing	[14:45]
ascii_field	but the bureaucratic flavour of 'u.n. minutes'	[14:46]
ascii_field	i assume pete meant this as a spoof	[14:46]
jurov	http://digg.com/video/mad-scientist-builds-a-40-watt-laser-shotgun ascii_field you wanted laserguns?	[14:46]
assbot	Mad Scientist Builds A 40-Watt Laser Shotgun - Digg ... ( http://bit.ly/1QSJaKW )	[14:46]
jurov	;;lasers	[14:47]
gribble	┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ pew! pew! pew!	[14:47]
trinque	jurov: that thing looks damned fun; needs more lasers and MOAR POWER though	[14:47]
ascii_field	eh scam	[14:47]
ascii_field	diode array laser isn't additive !	[14:47]
trinque	oh :(	[14:47]
ascii_field	(there is a reason coherent beans are more interesting than 'archimedes'-style collimated white light)	[14:47]
ben_vulpes	client is using heroku	[14:48]
ben_vulpes	heroku does not persist state	[14:48]
ben_vulpes	users want to upload images	[14:48]
ben_vulpes	solution?	[14:48]
trinque	an hero-ku	[14:48]
ben_vulpes	IMAGES INTO POSTGRES BINARY FIELD WOOO	[14:48]
ben_vulpes	an hero-kun!	[14:48]
jurov	ascii_field: you surely wouldn't want to be on receiving side of it, coherent or not	[14:49]
ascii_field	jurov: i'd pick it over nagant	[14:49]
jurov	ben_vulpes: redirect them to imgur?	[14:49]
ben_vulpes	mnah	[14:50]
ben_vulpes	i prefer to abuse mother postgres	[14:50]
ben_vulpes	loosen her up with these big old binaries	[14:50]
trinque	it'll totally work	[14:50]
nubbins`	ascii_field i think he used a lens to focus the discrete beams	[14:51]
nubbins`	that said, i was pretty unimpressed with the amount of time it took to light paper on fire	[14:52]
ascii_field	nubbins`: do you understand what 'coherence' means re: laser light ?	[14:52]
nubbins`	i could do better with a lens on a sunny day	[14:52]
nubbins`	ascii_field in general	[14:52]
ascii_field	nubbins`: not same as collimation.	[14:52]
jurov	he had fixed focus	[14:53]
ascii_field	it means that wave is in phase.	[14:53]
ascii_field	nothing whatsoever to do with focus	[14:53]
ben_vulpes	trinque: it did totally work	[14:53]
nubbins`	sure	[14:54]
jurov	might be interesting to reuse old camera with autofocus	[14:54]
nubbins`	i still think he used a lens to focus the beams 8)	[14:54]
ascii_field	http://amasci.com/miscon/coherenc.html	[14:54]
assbot	WHAT IS COHERENCE? Lasers and coherent light ... ( http://bit.ly/1QSKCwW )	[14:54]
ascii_field	^^^ mandatory	[14:54]
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jurov	ascii_field: and is it really such a difference in practice?	[14:55]
jurov	energy gets trnasferred to target eithrt	[14:56]
jurov	*either	[14:56]
ascii_field	jurov: yes.	[14:56]
trinque	matter of constructive or destructive interference right?	[14:56]
ascii_field	jurov: sorta like the famous gedankenexperiment where chinese radio orders all citizens to get on stools and jump at the same time	[14:57]
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trinque	hahaha	[14:57]
jurov	if you happen to end up with destructive coherence between two laser diodes, where the energy goes?	[14:58]
jurov	*intereference	[14:58]
ascii_field	jurov: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRi4dv9KgCg	[14:59]
assbot	Optics: Destructive interference - Where does the light go? - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1QSLmlO )	[14:59]
nubbins`	same place it goes when two people jump into opposite ends of pool	[14:59]
jurov	okay. so i'd combine different wavelengths diodes then. still more easily to obtain here than nagant parts and ammo	[15:01]
ascii_field	jurov: seriously, easier ?	[15:01]
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ascii_field	jurov: what of liquid butane (as used in cig lighters) ? any boy can make a far more destructive cannon-style weapon with some plumbing, butane, and spark igniter (from lighter also)	[15:03]
jurov	it makes noise	[15:03]
ascii_field	or hell, in what country can one not make an arbalest ?	[15:03]
ascii_field	from materials in any skip ?	[15:03]
jurov	nagant ==== arbalest now?	[15:04]
ascii_field	at close range, i'd rather take nagant bullet than a bolt from arbalest (if decently constructed)	[15:04]
ascii_field	http://laserpointerforums.com/attachments/f39/46301d1413484753-40w-co2-laser-tube-power-supply-tubeandps.jpg << actual 40w laser. i have this (very common!) tube.	[15:07]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1HAgZQr )	[15:07]
ascii_field	ir. so no one will be making 'sexy' films about these.	[15:08]
jurov	see the chunky power supply next to it? that's why	[15:08]
ascii_field	jurov: photo doesn't even include the water pumps and chiller	[15:09]
mod6	im attempting to apply the gcc patch we discussed the other night: https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2015-02/msg00410.html	[15:09]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1HAhutI )	[15:09]
ascii_field	(serious co2 lasers also recirculate the actual co2, rather than keeping it in sealed pipe)	[15:09]
mod6	gentoo has an ability to allow you to do an overlay .. but holy crap. gentoo is such a nightmare.	[15:09]
ascii_field	gentoo is a nightmare but the non-gentoo world is an utter hell	[15:09]
jurov	so, in the end, combining x diodes even if not coherent needs less energy than one coherent tube.	[15:10]
mod6	and the documentation is so bad, it's not even accurate, and makes assumptions about the audience. smh.	[15:10]
ascii_field	i have no idea how anyone is able to get serious work done outside of gentoo	[15:10]
ascii_field	(or bsd)	[15:10]
nubbins`	osx ;p	[15:10]
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nubbins`	so i popped a brand-new piece of mesh this morning	[15:11]
nubbins`	let me find a pic	[15:11]
mod6	trinque says y, "to learn gentoo, you must have learned gentoo". which is the total truth. you can't just pick this thing up and figure it out.	[15:11]
mod6	you have to pick it up and then figure out all out. bzzzzt.	[15:11]
ascii_field	jurov: the best known way to combine power from multiple diode lasers is fiber. but this only works for certain wavelengths where fiber works well.	[15:11]
nubbins`	http://imgur.com/KXZT8TX	[15:12]
ascii_field	jurov: you can get a few dozen kW of this on, e.g., 'ebay'	[15:12]
assbot	Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1QSNWrR )	[15:12]
ascii_field	aim like garden hose.	[15:12]
nubbins`	brand new. hadn't even been sullied with ink yet.	[15:12]
mod6	UGH	[15:15]
jurov	mod6 what? you want insanely configurable stuff that does not need figuring out? hah, pick one	[15:16]
mod6	i need to get back to winning here. been losing to gentoo for 6 weeks.	[15:17]
shinohai	I havent picked up gentoo yet :/	[15:17]
mod6	im still not sure why we're not taking a hard look at openbsd	[15:20]
mod6	after 6 weeks, all that I can conclude about gentoo is it's basically unuseable.	[15:21]
nubbins`	there was some discussion on this	[15:22]
nubbins`	iirc, *BSD is a completely other type of retarded.	[15:22]
jurov	O.o how unuseable?	[15:22]
nubbins`	gentoo was chosen, i believe, at the behest of alf	[15:22]
mod6	it's unuseable.	[15:22]
nubbins`	mod6 i compiled bitcoind on gentoo	[15:23]
nubbins`	and buildroot as well	[15:23]
mod6	i mean, i can't seem to get anywhere with anything without major time involved and serious pain.	[15:23]
nubbins`	there's no "perfect posix" with no insane gotchas	[15:23]
nubbins`	it just doesn't exist	[15:23]
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jurov	maybe it just refuses to fit your preconceptions	[15:24]
nubbins`	^	[15:24]
mod6	naw, i have no preconceptions about anything. im talking about using this thing.	[15:24]
mod6	and it sucks.	[15:25]
nubbins`	mod6 for god's sakes man, use specifics	[15:25]
jurov	i'm use it daily as my desktop. for years and yes, pls sepcifics	[15:25]
nubbins`	this is like telling the waiter your food tastes un-good	[15:25]
nubbins`	is it too salty or is there poop in it?	[15:25]
shinohai	evening assets https://i.imgur.com/yPNebWv.jpg [nsfw for some]	[15:27]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1QSQt5p )	[15:27]
nubbins`	not sure why you shared that, but hi	[15:27]
ben_vulpes	in what world is that nsfw?	[15:28]
mod6	what i'm sayin is this: without expert knowledge of how to use gentoo, I can't do what needs to be done in a reasonable amount of time. everyting for me in there is arduous, painstaking.	[15:28]
nubbins`	the old world	[15:28]
nubbins`	mod6 an example, please	[15:28]
nubbins`	what can you not do	[15:28]
mod6	umm. everything.	[15:28]
nubbins`	HELP US HELP YOU	[15:28]
nubbins`	you can't get a bash prompt?	[15:29]
jurov	mod6 if what you are doing is compiling C binaries, then learning to solve gentoo problems is unavoidable part of it	[15:29]
nubbins`	can't get online?	[15:29]
nubbins`	wat	[15:29]
jurov	and yes, what is the problem?	[15:29]
shinohai	http://xtnodes.com/ <<	[15:29]
assbot	XTnodes.com - Bitcoin XT Nodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1HAmP4k )	[15:29]
mod6	<+nubbins`> you can't get a bash prompt? << for instance on my POS box that I bought for $129.00 an x86_64 core2duo, I can't even install the os. All i can do is boot the livecd, do the chroot stuff, and then end up at the grub> prompt upon reboot. when it comes to my instance in AWS, i've had better luck, but doing stuff for me is so time consuming. in this case, i need to get gcc recompiled with patches to see if we can get past this error we were	[15:31]
mod6	could I just pull down gcc-4.8.4 itself and patch? sure. it'd be a lot easier.	[15:31]
mod6	but im positive that i'd never get it configured correctly to use uclibc and whatever other configurations are required to even test this patch. even if I get the patch to work, how am I supposed to get this into such a state that someone else can repeat it?	[15:32]
ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162139 << gentoo is not an evening thing. it is a lifetime commitment.	[15:32]
assbot	Logged on 12-06-2015 18:19:28; mod6: i mean, i can't seem to get anywhere with anything without major time involved and serious pain.	[15:32]
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mod6	luckally trinque has been holdig my hand on all of this.	[15:33]
mod6	but... shrug. w/e.	[15:33]
ascii_field	and i should point out that in my mind gentoo is defined by ~absences~ of crud, rather than specific attributes which are ~present~	[15:33]
jurov	end up at the grub> prompt upon reboot << for example this is you're 90% there, use the prompt to find the kernel and boot, then reconfigure grub from the running system	[15:33]
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jurov	what head banging there?	[15:34]
jurov	grub can be problematic in any distro	[15:34]
ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162166 << poor schmuck, he oughta ask his handler at ft meade for more boxes	[15:35]
assbot	Logged on 12-06-2015 18:25:57; shinohai: http://xtnodes.com/ <<	[15:35]
kakobrekla	you dont need more boxes	[15:44]
ascii_field	mr hearnia does	[15:44]
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trinque	their github readme tries to make it sound like it's not just about the block size	[15:48]
trinque	clear intent to frame the blocksize thing in the context of a bunch of other (bullshit) progress!	[15:49]
trinque	"DNS seed changes: bitseed.xf2.org is removed as it no longer works, and seeds from Addy Yeow and Mike Hearn are (re)added to increase seed diversity and redundancy." << LOL	[15:49]
fluffypony	[19:59:12] I can hear mary antoinette saying: "let them eat cake"	[15:49]
fluffypony	mary	[15:49]
fluffypony	MARY	[15:49]
fluffypony	omg nubbins`	[15:50]
fluffypony	Mary Antoinette sounds like a maid from the farmlands	[15:50]
ascii_field	l0ltr0n1c	[15:50]
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punkman	http://bitcoinassociation.ch/blog/no-vat-on-bitcoin-in-switzerland/	[16:10]
assbot	No VAT on Bitcoin in Switzerland \| Bitcoin Association Switzerland ... ( http://bit.ly/1f7b4r7 )	[16:10]
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mircea_popescu	!up danielpbarron	[16:30]
-assbot-	You voiced danielpbarron without time-limit.	[16:30]
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punkman	http://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg08158.html	[16:33]
assbot	[Bitcoin-development] Miners: You'll (very likely) need to upgrade your Bitcoin Core node soon to support BIP66 ... ( http://bit.ly/1QT1Daq )	[16:33]
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ascii_field	punkman: 'need to' aha	[16:33]
ascii_field	l0l	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	herpitty-derp.	[16:33]
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mircea_popescu	;;calc .95 * 1 + 2 - 2.8	[16:36]
gribble	0.15	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	seems the red line's way off.	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	ah actually mebbe not.	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	anyway, this is the thing trying to fix the signatures issue isn';t it ?	[16:37]
punkman	one of them at least	[16:37]
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mircea_popescu	right.	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	anyway, https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0066.mediawiki << prolly worth yet another read	[16:38]
assbot	bips/bip-0066.mediawiki at master · bitcoin/bips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1QT2mbq )	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	there's no avoiding having to do something to limit the derpage openssl can import into bitcoin	[16:38]
punkman	in other news http://www.streetinsider.com/Press+Releases/Bitcoin+Gets+Second+Wind+As+World%26apos%3Bs+First+Hair+Wholesaler,+AiryHair,+Ditches+Cash+For+Cryptocurrency+With+A+Rap+Video/10644510.html	[16:39]
assbot	Bitcoin Gets Second Wind As World's First Hair Wholesaler, AiryHair, Ditches Cash For Cryptocurrency With A Rap Video ... ( http://bit.ly/1QT2s2M )	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	also iirc valid sigs that are uncompliant can actually be fixed without resigining	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	punkman second wind eh ?mmmkay.	[16:40]
ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162213 << just say when.	[16:40]
assbot	Logged on 12-06-2015 19:35:05; mircea_popescu: there's no avoiding having to do something to limit the derpage openssl can import into bitcoin	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1161998 << lotta those ?	[16:41]
assbot	Logged on 12-06-2015 15:38:37; nubbins`: is this something you actually plan on doing, or is this another instance of me wasting a bunch of time generating a quote for something that won't happen?	[16:41]
nubbins`	there's like $150 worth of concept sketches of you riding a horse and squinting at the sun around here somewhere	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	ahaha what was that all about ?	[16:51]
ascii_field	in unrelated observation, there exists (nor, afaik has ever existed) an eeprom burner with true linux support.	[16:51]
ascii_field	every time i have to burn (or even read) an eeprom i end up doing something retarded like this - http://loper-os.nfshost.com/wp-content/mwredux/romsucker_working.png	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162025 << poor gavin, everyone wants a piece of his ass now. the sad fate of the internet lolcow.	[16:51]
assbot	Logged on 12-06-2015 17:28:47; jurov: https://twitter.com/gavinandresen/status/608953783008243712 << leaving this here for danielpbarron	[16:51]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu ask tsp i guess :D	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field that's not SO retarded.	[16:52]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: it is monumentally retarded to do whole day's work to read back an 8k rom.	[16:52]
ascii_field	4k actually	[16:52]
ascii_field	(in that photo)	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	but you keeping the pinboard around neh ?	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	do it once have it forevar.	[16:52]
ascii_field	no because next time, different pinout	[16:53]
ascii_field	have to tear it out, pull out pen, paper...	[16:53]
ascii_field	rom burner is this thing where you don't have to. pull the part # from db and drop in the chip	[16:53]
ascii_field	(into 'zif' socket with mechanical lever, too, avoid bending the ancient pins	[16:53]
ascii_field	)	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162055 << what happens if i wear tin foil ?	[16:54]
assbot	Logged on 12-06-2015 17:45:18; jurov: ascii_field: you surely wouldn't want to be on receiving side of it, coherent or not	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field one for each pinout ?	[16:54]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: one for each pin pitch	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	lol get a lever pinboard!!1	[16:55]
ascii_field	(you can drop arbitrary dip into a dip-40 so long as it physically fits, and the microcontroller knows what to do)	[16:55]
ascii_field	nobody makes lever breadboards.	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	they should tho	[16:56]
ascii_field	http://www.logicaldevices.com/cm6000u.JPG << example of rom burner	[16:56]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1QtOoCc )	[16:56]
ascii_field	breadboards are also terrible re: distortion.	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	aha	[16:57]
ascii_field	the correct solution to the problem is physically shaped like the above photo.	[16:57]
jurov	mircea_popescu: as long as there are breathing/talking holes left...	[16:57]
decimation	yeah breadboards have large distributed impedance	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162078 << yes dude. the difference between cars going the same place and cars going at the same pace.	[16:57]
assbot	Logged on 12-06-2015 17:52:04; jurov: ascii_field: and is it really such a difference in practice?	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	not even. "cars going the same place and cars being wheel to wheel on the road"	[16:58]
shinohai	I need a logo: http://i.imgur.com/Of7w3cz.jpg	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162094 << any boy that is allowed to be a photo-hipster can turn plain paper into nitrocellulose. that'll work better than butane.	[17:00]
assbot	Logged on 12-06-2015 17:59:25; ascii_field: jurov: what of liquid butane (as used in cig lighters) ? any boy can make a far more destructive cannon-style weapon with some plumbing, butane, and spark igniter (from lighter also)	[17:00]
ascii_field	^ did this	[17:00]
shinohai	lol	[17:00]
nubbins`	you also need a font with a # character	[17:00]
nubbins`	and a white drop shadow	[17:01]
nubbins`	:P	[17:01]
ascii_field	but the butane example pertains to hypothetical boy with access only to 'typical u.s. household' garbage	[17:01]
shinohai	yes indeed. potato quality indeed.	[17:01]
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mircea_popescu	shinohai you're jewish ?	[17:01]
shinohai	i have jewish family. im not religious myself in any traditional sense.	[17:02]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yE7v4wkuZU	[17:02]
shinohai	but, i couldn't resist a play on the yeshiva theme.	[17:02]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: yes, we did this.	[17:02]
ascii_field	back in the free world.	[17:03]
mircea_popescu	aha	[17:03]
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decimation	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162112 < ascii lots of 'serious folks' use redhat for this reason	[17:04]
assbot	Logged on 12-06-2015 18:06:34; ascii_field: i have no idea how anyone is able to get serious work done outside of gentoo	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	dear god the guy in there's unsafe.	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	seriously, placing your hand to block the upside clearance of the berzelius glass ?	[17:04]
decimation	as much as they derp on shit, they still do a decent job of delivering a platform that is a stable target	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	wtf, who does this	[17:04]
asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[17:04]
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trinque	decimation: I probably understand more about redhat's stable target than your garden-variety redhat user because I've used gentoo for so long	[17:06]
scoopbot_revived	Reddit Outrage Reveals Silicon Valley Censorship Agenda http://qntra.net/2015/06/reddit-outrage-reveals-silicon-valley-censorship-agenda/	[17:06]
decimation	trinque: trust me I've lived on gentoo for years	[17:06]
decimation	it forced me to learn why I don't want the latest of everything	[17:06]
BingoBoingo	Fuck	[17:07]
ascii_field	i find all unixlikes but gentoo and freebsd to be quite unusable for daily work	[17:07]
trinque	yep, and also of what a linux system is actually composed	[17:07]
decimation	ascii_field: but you have admitted that you don't pull gentoo updates regularly	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	aww BingoBoingo why so short ?	[17:07]
ascii_field	aha	[17:07]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Draft, accidentipublished. Returned to draft bin	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	aok	[17:07]
decimation	so youre 'gentoo' is really gentoo* where * denotes "hand selected all software"	[17:07]
ascii_field	aha	[17:08]
mircea_popescu	you know, trilema has a 5 minute delay in the rss feed for this and similar reasons	[17:08]
ascii_field	anything else is a sewage pit	[17:08]
BingoBoingo	https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net << In other news two non-suck traffic days in a row	[17:08]
assbot	Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast	[17:08]
decimation	I do admit that when I've tried openbsd I've been impressed by the presence of actual documentation	[17:08]
trinque	also had a great introductory experience w/ obsd	[17:08]
decimation	I also admit that rhel7 is a clusterfuck	[17:09]
decimation	and redhat is going 'full vm'	[17:09]
trinque	decimation: doing the coreos thing with dual-roots or something?	[17:11]
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decimation	well, it's more that redhat seems to focus nearly 100% on providing vm clients and hosts	[17:11]
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decimation	that and j2ee bullshit	[17:11]
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decimation	their focus on providing a reasonable experience for the console user is nearly nonexistent	[17:12]
decimation	!up asciilifeform	[17:12]
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decimation	!up ascii_field	[17:12]
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ascii_field	there is NO reason why eeprom programmer shouldn't just appear as usb mass storage on the pc end	[17:15]
ascii_field	http://www.sslug.dk/~chlor/prom << even in '02 this was obvious	[17:15]
decimation	ascii_field: why does it require specialized turdware then?	[17:15]
ascii_field	decimation: because the world is awash in turdmeisters	[17:16]
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ascii_field	also in 1990s gigantic microcontrollers did not exist, and the complexity (db of possible chips, etc) had to live in software	[17:16]
ascii_field	on pc end	[17:16]
decimation	yeah, plus proprietary chip configurations	[17:16]
ascii_field	http://blog.killtheradio.net/tricks-hacks/how-to-get-the-top2004-programmer-running-under-windows-7-64-bit << even under winblows, they suck	[17:17]
ascii_field	(what -doesn't- suck there ?)	[17:17]
decimation	it's kinda like modern cars having few user-servicable parts	[17:17]
decimation	apparently the 'demand' doesn't exist	[17:17]
decimation	or if it does, it has been quashed	[17:17]
decimation	"who needs to fix their own chips?"	[17:18]
ascii_field	'who needs a logic analyzer that can talk to software people write themselves' ? (see yesterday's thread)	[17:18]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162127 << why ? is this some new jurov rule ?	[17:19]
assbot	Logged on 12-06-2015 18:12:31; jurov: mod6 what? you want insanely configurable stuff that does not need figuring out? hah, pick one	[17:19]
decimation	ascii_field: yeah I read your bitching	[17:20]
jurov	you know of anything both insanely configurable and immediately intuitive?	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	death.	[17:20]
ascii_field	!b 2	[17:20]
assbot	Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3Y9MJ0Z.txt )	[17:20]
trinque	bwahaha	[17:20]
ascii_field	decimation: it blows my mind that the market for sane engineering tools of even very basic varieties DOES NOT EXIST	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	do i get a prize ?	[17:20]
ascii_field	this is how you get the iranian centrifuges with winblows, etc	[17:21]
jurov	mod6: see there. kill yourself and you will get what you want.	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	well... kill someone, at any rate.	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field it's really a socialism problem. the plebeian criterion "it works" has surpassed the aristocratic "it makes sense". this is supposedly... better. in fact it's merely cheaper,	[17:22]
decimation	ascii_field: yeah I have a friend who used to work at HP developing logic analyzers	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	in the limited sense of "cheaper" that means "more accessible to the plebs"	[17:23]
decimation	he saw the writing on the wall when the winblows mandate came around, decided to bail	[17:23]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: thing is, we could get the $20k one here at $firm. but it will RUN XP	[17:23]
ascii_field	and so we don't.	[17:23]
decimation	to be clear, in the case of logic analyzers the main problem is that only fancy chip makers use them anymore	[17:23]
ascii_field	(yes, the high-end instruments ~actually run xp~)	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	soo... quantcast "upgraded" its site, now i can no longer see the graphs.	[17:24]
decimation	ascii_field: surely there are older HP models that run HP-UX?	[17:24]
ascii_field	decimation: older ones have no way of pushing bits to pc at channel speed !	[17:24]
decimation	then you might get to write some IEEE-488	[17:24]
decimation	no usually not	[17:24]
ascii_field	i need them at channel speed.	[17:24]
decimation	they have a shitty gpib	[17:24]
decimation	these days if you want to buy high speed logic, you buy a chip where someone else did everything for you	[17:25]
ascii_field	why the fuck would i pay for a machine with a 128kB buffer and 1G/s sample rate ?	[17:25]
decimation	so the market for logic analyzers has shrunk to chip makers	[17:25]
ascii_field	if it can't piss the bits out to pc at 1G/s	[17:25]
decimation	this is a problem with test equipment in general	[17:25]
decimation	very few support streaming data at reasonable rates	[17:26]
ascii_field	decimation: chip makers willing to use xp	[17:26]
decimation	absolutely they are	[17:26]
decimation	because they assign their indian h1b to test the chip	[17:26]
decimation	don't give a fuck what indian thinks	[17:26]
decimation	ascii_field: what about this: https://www.saleae.com/	[17:27]
assbot	The Logic Analyzer with Analog - Saleae ... ( http://bit.ly/1ThqI2R )	[17:27]
ascii_field	decimation: slow as fuck, and USED CLOSED DRIVER	[17:27]
decimation	heh yeah it is slow	[17:27]
decimation	what you expect for usb 2	[17:27]
ascii_field	so solves NEITHER	[17:27]
ascii_field	may as well be a winblows item like the 1,001 it competes with	[17:28]
decimation	the driver might be closed, but supposedly you can buy chinese knockoffs for cheap	[17:28]
ascii_field	aha already got one of those	[17:28]
trinque	http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/12/us-cybersecurity-usa-whitehouse-idUSKBN0OS26Q20150612 << 14mil employees' data affected up from 4mil	[17:28]
ascii_field	utter garbage	[17:28]
assbot	White house: cannot confirm reports 14 million affected by hack	[17:28]
trinque	hilarious	[17:28]
trinque	"cannot confirm"	[17:28]
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trinque	I look forward to the day when somebody makes their way inside NSA systems and starts dumping data from there.	[17:29]
decimation	ascii_field: so you want high speed, streaming and no winblows?	[17:29]
decimation	I don't think that exists	[17:29]
decimation	what frequency do you need?	[17:30]
ascii_field	decimation: 500MHz+	[17:30]
decimation	streaming 500 megasamples/sec?	[17:30]
ascii_field	aha.	[17:30]
decimation	heh that would barely fit on a gigabit ethernet with overhead	[17:30]
ascii_field	it'd fit on pci-e handily	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo anyway, pretty good, i see pretty much no article qntra published this month got less than 1k reads THIS MONTH. last months pushing 5-10 depending. it's not bad by any measure.	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	i doubt vice has that much readership, notwithstanding the count of clucking clickers clicking around.	[17:31]
ascii_field	decimation: and it is way below the write speed of my hdd, which is the real limit	[17:31]
decimation	ascii_field: does it need to go down to DC? You could use an 'ettus radio'	[17:31]
ascii_field	decimation: yes it needs to go to dc	[17:31]
ascii_field	wtf else is a logic analyzer	[17:31]
ascii_field	if i have a steady state, it needs to show - that.	[17:32]
ascii_field	if 100MHz square wave - then it.	[17:32]
ascii_field	otherwise it's a turd	[17:32]
decimation	most of those radios don't go down below 100 mhz	[17:32]
ascii_field	decimation: radio doesn't pick up arbitrary waveforms	[17:32]
ascii_field	it wants carriers, fsk, etc	[17:32]
ascii_field	a radio is not an oscilloscope !	[17:32]
decimation	sure is, if it goes down to DC	[17:33]
punkman	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2015#1001114 << couple of 500mhz devices listed there, I wouldn't hope for much though	[17:33]
assbot	Logged on 01-02-2015 07:05:04; punkman: ;;later tell mats saw this recently, might interest you http://sigrok.org/wiki/Supported_hardware#Logic_analyzers	[17:33]
decimation	yeah it does do arbitrary waveforms	[17:33]
mod6	<+jurov> mod6: see there. kill yourself and you will get what you want. << ah, thanks for the tip.	[17:33]
jurov	not me, mircea	[17:34]
ascii_field	punkman: saw that, yes	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162128 o.O	[17:34]
assbot	Logged on 12-06-2015 18:13:31; mod6: i need to get back to winning here. been losing to gentoo for 6 weeks.	[17:34]
decimation	ascii_field: what about rhode & schwarz?	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	mod6 you seriously proposing marrying to openbsd ?	[17:34]
ascii_field	decimation: where is the mention of linux there ?	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162139 << fwiw this was my experience as well, but not sure whether this is because badly packaged or outright evil.	[17:35]
assbot	Logged on 12-06-2015 18:19:28; mod6: i mean, i can't seem to get anywhere with anything without major time involved and serious pain.	[17:35]
decimation	I think they might use winblows too	[17:35]
decimation	I told their sales guy that was a dumb idea	[17:35]
ascii_field	decimation: so 100% as worthless as agilent et al	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162140 << why ?	[17:35]
assbot	Logged on 12-06-2015 18:19:37; nubbins`: there's no "perfect posix" with no insane gotchas	[17:35]
trinque	mircea_popescu: built him a bootable image of gentoo in about an hour last weekend	[17:35]
decimation	they were trying to 'break into the market' with a different oscope	[17:36]
ascii_field	i see nothing 'different' about it	[17:36]
ascii_field	even has the asinine 'ask for quote'	[17:36]
ascii_field	so they can give usg own price, and you - another	[17:36]
trinque	it's just a matter of having the parts of a functioning linux install already in your head	[17:36]
trinque	the handbook they have is overly complex, and tries to include you in the decisionmaking	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	trinque i recall that part...	[17:36]
mod6	eh. i'm not sure yet. i'm getting to the point with this thing where i realize at least 1 thing: I don't have the technical experience in the context of gentoo to get us where we want to go in a timly fashion. My experience in gentoo has been for 6 weeks, never used it before that. Everything has been a struggle here, for me. Not that I can't do it all myself, but I feel like it's taking me waaay too long. Maybe I just had bad expectations as to h	[17:37]
decimation	ascii_field: http://www.effectivebits.net/2011/08/to-run-windows-or-not-to-run-windows.html < supposedly some tektronix scopes run linux	[17:37]
assbot	Effective Bits: To run Windows or not to run Windows - All About Oscilloscope Operating Systems ... ( http://bit.ly/1QTbL2T )	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	mod6 the problem is that most people don't have a lot of o-bsd experience. and i don't just mean most people here, but generally. hard to sell that thing as an "all purpose b-a basis of bases"	[17:38]
decimation	tektronix is #1 in oscopes, if they don't have something than probably nobody does	[17:38]
mod6	that's fair. gentoo might be the right move.	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	fwiw de raadt isn't even in here.	[17:38]
ascii_field	decimation: as far as i can tell, they do not offer a logic analyzer with sane pc link	[17:38]
decimation	yeah possibly not	[17:38]
decimation	that's probably a 'premium feature'	[17:38]
ascii_field	not for 100, not for 100,000	[17:38]
ascii_field	not for $maxint.	[17:39]
ascii_field	motherfuckers i just want a piece of silicon that samples 16 lines at 1G/s and clocks out the bits to pci-e lanes.	[17:39]
ascii_field	talking about perhaps 1,000 transistors here.	[17:39]
ascii_field	and nobody wants to sell this.	[17:39]
ascii_field	for any amount.	[17:39]
decimation	well, possibly because they are afraid someone will 'cut them out' of the user interface	[17:40]
decimation	then all they have to sell is some analog electronics attached to a digitizer	[17:40]
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ascii_field	or will 'have problems'	[17:40]
ascii_field	and factory mysteriously burns	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field so the 1k transistors package can be future s.nsaproduct. time to move on eh ?	[17:41]
decimation	actually it's not so much that	[17:41]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: i need it here and now.	[17:41]
decimation	I suspect it might run into 'itar' rules too	[17:42]
decimation	so 'no export for you'	[17:42]
*	assbot removes voice from ascii_field	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	!up ascii_field	[17:42]
-assbot-	You voiced ascii_field for 30 minutes.	[17:42]
*	assbot gives voice to ascii_field	[17:42]
ascii_field	and anyone pursuing sanity today, needs it.	[17:42]
*	mircea_popescu hands ascii_field a roll of duct tape and taped old tv shows	[17:42]
ascii_field	probably ought to explain. see all of those instruments that were never reverse-engineered adequately ?	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	yes	[17:42]
ascii_field	it was from a lack of precisely this simple tool.	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	figures.	[17:43]
ascii_field	(and, often, the muscles)	[17:43]
ascii_field	but must have ~both~	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	looky, there's no argument here, i can follow what you're saying. this thing is not hard to make, is a requisite, should exist but does not. definitely it's a niche.	[17:43]
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mircea_popescu	this has been established.	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	i like it when people doing digital bullshit speak of "bespoke". yeah, totally, it means something OTHER than "we want to be paid 10x what our shit's worth on the open market for no other reason than we feel so special and we got a bookmarked link to a thesaurus website"	[17:45]
ascii_field	most likely don't even own a thesaurus, but simply read neal stephenson's novel 'diamond age.'	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	besuckmycocke	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	mmmyeah	[17:46]
decimation	there is no 'bespoke' in electronics	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	ya think ?	[17:46]
decimation	everything is made en-mass in chip fabs	[17:46]
decimation	if the indian tester fucked up the chip for your application, sucks for you	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	anyway, ascii_field, how does one check cardanos without an oscilloscope ?	[17:47]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: the digital half is easier, given as most of the action takes place on the micro	[17:48]
ascii_field	the rng -must- be checked with scope	[17:48]
ascii_field	but, fortunately, it is a low-speed device	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	my question to you is, why must it be checked at higher frequency than what we use.	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	we don't poll it 500mhz	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	not even close.	[17:48]
ascii_field	because nyquist	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	even so.	[17:48]
ascii_field	but in this story i was not speaking of cardano	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	there's a math approach to select good multiples.	[17:48]
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mircea_popescu	do half, one and a half, three, whatever's normally done.	[17:49]
ascii_field	one sometimes wishes to capture fast signals, e.g., pci bus.	[17:50]
ascii_field	in pursuit of sanity.	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	yeah	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbtd4jESZD1r31l4no1_500.gif	[17:52]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1ThucSX )	[17:52]
mod6	<+trinque> mircea_popescu: built him a bootable image of gentoo in about an hour last weekend << yup, this is true. and I haven't been able to try it out yet. i'm planning on trying out the steps that he deed'd tomorrow. the image is great, but the goal is to get to a working set of instructions that allow a person to construct gentoo in our preferred way. so even if the image works, im not sure this is something to be used for anything else. heheh.	[17:55]
ascii_field	mod6: ...working set of instructions that allow a person to construct gentoo in our preferred way << i suspect that this is a nonstarter on account of the unavailability of sane hardware. see the thread where mircea_popescu installed gentoo and then threw it off a cliff	[17:56]
trinque	ascii_field: stageN -> genkernel -> grub2-install -> grub2-mkconfig ??	[17:57]
mod6	well, im afraid of that too. so what to do then? i hope I haven't just been wasting my time then.	[17:57]
trinque	works for me every time	[17:57]
ascii_field	what this means, in practice, is that a reasonable ( i won't say 'sane' because these do not exist presently ) computer system is not a machine, but a ~place~ - like a church organ	[17:57]
ascii_field	the man who built it, is also part of it	[17:57]
ascii_field	and ~perhaps~ he can build another, if asked nicely	[17:57]
ascii_field	and compensated	[17:57]
ascii_field	but notice there is no how-to book, 'build church organ in 21 days'	[17:58]
ascii_field	perhaps particle accelerator is better analogy	[17:58]
decimation	ascii it is quite possible that oscopes with this kind of capability are considered itar controlled	[17:58]
ascii_field	decimation: the fuck'd i care, i'm in usa	[17:58]
ascii_field	ought to be able to buy	[17:58]
mod6	i guess i didn't realize that gentoo =~ particle accelerator haha	[17:58]
decimation	yeah but generally if it is itar controlled, nobody makes except maybe for golden toilet price	[17:59]
ascii_field	mod6: not gentoo. gentoo+hardware+man	[17:59]
ascii_field	~system~	[17:59]
trinque	ascii_field: http://deedbot.org/deed-2015-06-11-20-17-45.txt	[17:59]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1QTg0eL )	[17:59]
trinque	that should at least clear the grub hurdle	[17:59]
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trinque	can fine-tune from there	[17:59]
trinque	it wont reproduce my local set-up, but it sounds like the bar is merely "get a uclibc build env for bitcoind"	[18:00]
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mod6	my problem here, is ok, let's say that i get this far and then trinque generiously helps me get the rest of the way to it "working". but what about everyone else?	[18:00]
decimation	ascii_field: honestly if you want this product you are probably going to need to build yourself	[18:01]
ascii_field	decimation: here i sit, building approximately it myself.	[18:02]
decimation	ascii_field: what about these http://www.signatec.com/products/daq/high-speed-digitizer-pc-interfaces.html	[18:03]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1QTgH7T )	[18:03]
ascii_field	decimation: very tediously, and at great expense.	[18:03]
ascii_field	decimation: where's the 100% open spec ?	[18:03]
decimation	heh good luck on that	[18:04]
trinque	mod6: what's the desired result, you pop a livecd in and it installs as well as openbsd or debian does?	[18:04]
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mod6	so, anyway, i dunno. i guess that's just where I'm at. I'll keep working towards getting something going for myself. go from there I guess.	[18:04]
ascii_field	decimation: gotta love the 'full data sheet' without ANY programming info	[18:05]
decimation	apparently it does have linux drivers	[18:05]
decimation	probably binary blobs	[18:05]
ascii_field	useless then.	[18:05]
decimation	it does meet your other specs though	[18:05]
decimation	and 'only' $11k	[18:06]
mod6	<+trinque> mod6: what's the desired result, you pop a livecd in and it installs as well as openbsd or debian does? << well, something like that. you pop-in LiveCD, follow The Foundation's ``Guide'' through the chroot process, using hardened uclibc, whatever packages we think are required to build the R.I.	[18:06]
ascii_field	and i don't need the adc for anything	[18:06]
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mod6	i mean, we're basically trying to build our own linux here specifically for the R.I.	[18:06]
trinque	mod6: sounds like livecd plus a finished version of my script there	[18:06]
mod6	ok. cool. I'll give it a try.	[18:06]
ascii_field	mod6: we ~did~ build own linux for the r.i.	[18:06]
ascii_field	this one's for human use	[18:06]
ascii_field	as i understand	[18:07]
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trinque	thing is partitioning's a very personal decision	[18:07]
decimation	wait I thought you wanted adc	[18:07]
ascii_field	decimation: nope	[18:07]
ascii_field	decimation: logic capture	[18:07]
mod6	well, we started with Deb6 + packages.	[18:07]
ascii_field	between known-low and known-high	[18:07]
decimation	so you only need 500 mhz '1-bit' samples?	[18:07]
ascii_field	aha	[18:07]
decimation	yeah do it yourself	[18:07]
decimation	this card I linked is probably the closest 'industry' has	[18:08]
trinque	mod6: if you use the disk image approach the livecd story becomes very simple	[18:08]
trinque	that thing's only purpose could be to dump you into a booted gentoo which you then follow instructions to configure	[18:08]
trinque	complete with various "oh you want to encrypt /home ?" and so on	[18:08]
trinque	livecd boots, starts bash script whose only purpose is to be told which drive to obliterate with a standard base image	[18:09]
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mod6	trinque: with the image, don't we run into issues with hardware other than x86_64?	[18:10]
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trinque	you'd just make separate base images	[18:11]
ascii_field	mod6: the whole 'pc compatible platform' thing kinda fell apart	[18:11]
ascii_field	e.g., mircea_popescu's box flaked for no known reason	[18:11]
decimation	why not make a 'buildroot' that targets 32-bit x86?	[18:12]
trinque	anyhow I've given my opinion on how this ought to be done.	[18:12]
ascii_field	decimation: because they are no longer readily available ?	[18:12]
mod6	<+decimation> why not make a 'buildroot' that targets 32-bit x86? << for the R.I. itself or gentoo?	[18:12]
*	assbot removes voice from ascii_field	[18:12]
mod6	!up ascii_field	[18:12]
trinque	!up ascii_field	[18:13]
*	assbot gives voice to ascii_field	[18:13]
*	assbot gives voice to ascii_field	[18:13]
ascii_field	mod6: you can set yours to x86, or sparc, or whatever	[18:13]
decimation	what isn't available? doesn't x86-64 also run 32 bit?	[18:13]
ascii_field	problem is that x86 is not a platform !	[18:13]
decimation	no, not really	[18:13]
ascii_field	some other fell has different vga - no go	[18:13]
ascii_field	etc	[18:13]
decimation	it's true you would need a highly restricted hardware list	[18:14]
mod6	are we talking about two different things here? let's leave the R.I. out of it for a minute. my assumption there is someone can indeed create a "buildroot" or w/e to then cross compile to whatever they want for the R.I.	[18:14]
trinque	none of this applies to booting the thing	[18:14]
trinque	if the livecd loads, if your own box doesn't, you fucked up.	[18:14]
mod6	I'm just trying to figure out how to get some comprehensive steps so just about anyone who wants to can use our gentoo thingy.	[18:15]
decimation	mod6: I'm saying ditch gentoo, use buildroot	[18:15]
decimation	but ascii has a point, this wouldn't work if everyone does not have the same hardware	[18:15]
mod6	isn't buildroot the thing that alf said must be used inside of gentoo?	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	mod6 well, he created it SOMEHOW. im not sure how far that preferred way goes, people get to drive a car their preferred way to ~some degree~.	[18:16]
ascii_field	mod6: it theoretically ought to work elsewhere. but it turned out that other linuxen ship with defective gcc.	[18:16]
ascii_field	buildroot works great when everyone has physically same computer.	[18:17]
ascii_field	e.g. pogo or nintendo etc	[18:17]
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mircea_popescu	and ~perhaps~ he can build another, if asked nicely << if you want to get killed, splendid way to go about things.	[18:17]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: you mean, killed faster ?	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	killed faster more.	[18:18]
ascii_field	almost certainly	[18:18]
ascii_field	i'd love to teach a platoon of #b-a folks to do what i do, either/or to become less killworthy or (more practically) to be replaced more quickly when finally killed.	[18:19]
ascii_field	but this does not appear to be happening.	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	eh, give it a decade	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	it's not even 2115 yet.	[18:20]
*	ascii_field does not expect to live for decade	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	the unmistakable mark of youth.	[18:20]
BingoBoingo	http://qntra.net/2015/06/reddit-outrage-reveals-silicon-valley-censorship-agenda/	[18:20]
assbot	Reddit Outrage Reveals Y Combinator Censorship Agenda \| Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1QTjQVp )	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo url fix too	[18:20]
BingoBoingo	What url fix?	[18:21]
*	mircea_popescu gazes upon the cvasi=monotonic s.mpoe evolution past few weeks.... nuts.	[18:21]
BingoBoingo	Url and title can mismatch, get moar SEO gainz that way	[18:21]
mircea_popescu	ah ok	[18:21]
mircea_popescu	i dunno abouit these newfangled seo whatchamacallits.	[18:21]
BingoBoingo	Neither do I. It's all fucking voodoo	[18:22]
trinque	I'm gonna have to finish my genbootstrap script before you guys accept gentoo can be installed, I can see.	[18:22]
*	trinque started in data centers derping out OSs to boxen	[18:23]
jurov	https://voat.co/v/fph/ is 404	[18:23]
jurov	trinque: will it be capable to resolve boxen suddenly refusing to boot?	[18:24]
trinque	I refuse to accept that that's even a thing.	[18:24]
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trinque	you don't keep backup kernels around?	[18:24]
*	trinque never throws away a "known good" anything once had	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	"Days earlier Imgur had begun purging images hosted on their site which had been linked to on /r/fatpeople hate."	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	whoi the fuck would use imgur then!	[18:25]
decimation	"What a system like Atomwise actually does can be pretty opaque to a general audience."	[18:25]
jurov	i do. but some people become enraged upon encountering grub> prompt	[18:25]
danielpbarron	"harassing a doxxing" should be *and ? << BingoBoingo	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	copypaste you seriously want to open yet another dig ?	[18:26]
BingoBoingo	danielpbarron: ty	[18:26]
ascii_field	decimation: it is 10x as funny to be because i actually worked in pharma, doing precisely what the sc4mz0rz are claiming to do	[18:26]
trinque	jurov: yeah and you had it earlier; you can easily load a kernel from that	[18:26]
trinque	config's only running commands against that	[18:26]
ascii_field	(it did not work especially well, and was not especially fun)	[18:26]
decimation	ascii_field: if people could actually protein fold their way to cures it would have been done already	[18:27]
mod6	trinque and I tried to get my thing to work from grub> for hours one night, perhaps a few different times. if it was simple, we'd have resolved it. it's probably my dumb POS box.	[18:27]
ascii_field	decimation: what the more clever hucksters are doing is to search for 'undergrazed' scams	[18:27]
mircea_popescu	https://media.8ch.net/fatpeoplehate/src/1434144042496-2.jpg << am i the only one thinking she's pretty hot ?	[18:27]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1QTkZfD )	[18:27]
cazalla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162023 <<< that's super common along the hume highway (takes you from Sydney to Melbourne) and you'll find dead roos, wombats, birds etc etc strew along a 1000km road	[18:27]
assbot	Logged on 12-06-2015 17:28:01; fluffypony: nah, that's for cazalla's benefit ;)	[18:27]
fluffypony	nice	[18:28]
fluffypony	goddamn roos	[18:28]
ascii_field	e.g., just about everyone at this point went to first grade and would spit on a claimed perpetuum mobile, but if you ask'em to invest in 'miraculous' protein fold solver - different matter	[18:28]
ascii_field	https://media.8ch.net/fatpeoplehate/src/1434144042496-2.jpg << normal gurl	[18:28]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1QTleHl )	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field she's slightly overweight.	[18:29]
BingoBoingo	https://media.8ch.net/fatpeoplehate/src/1434144042496-2.jpg << am i the only one thinking she's pretty hot ? << 8chan's non nick makes it hard to verify actual shitlords are posting	[18:29]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1QTkZfD )	[18:29]
cazalla	mircea_popescu, nice body but that face :	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	cazalla you and your faces. fuck the other end.	[18:29]
trinque	!b 3	[18:29]
assbot	Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3HBVFND.txt )	[18:29]
decimation	ascii_field: but don't you know Big Pharma supresses us!	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	in other news, a turducken walks into the counsellor's office	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	"doc, i dunno what to do... i feel like a chicken trapped in a turkey's body"	[18:30]
trinque	mod6: this is why I think a standard set of relatively cheap hardware is called in the default build	[18:30]
cazalla	mircea_popescu, you do know you can fuck both ends yeah?	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	decimation honestly, that particular mob reads a lot to me like the people claiming the "auto industry" is "supressing the water engine" trying to jump ship	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	as their original bs is very hard to sell in the current political climate.	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	cazalla well you can but you dun have to	[18:31]
cazalla	if you can, you must!	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	hehehe	[18:31]
decimation	agreed, since they can't explain what they actually do (see ascii's point), they gotta be all conspiratorial	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	trinque moreover, the value of an "approved hardware list" should be obvious.	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	i am all for this.	[18:31]
trinque	yep	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	Do you hate slimfat people? I'm not visible fat if you see my with a shirt, but I'm out of shape when you see me without it, I have the hips of a woman.	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	(USER WAS BANNED FOR DENYING HIS FATNESS)	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	bwahahaha	[18:33]
decimation	trinque: one idea is the 'hp microserver' gen 7	[18:33]
decimation	has closed bios, but that's going to be neigh impossible to avoid on x86	[18:33]
trinque	yeah, well... it's not going to be a lisp machine either	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	https://media.8ch.net/fatpeoplehate/src/1434091646578-0.jpg win.	[18:35]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1QTm1rW )	[18:35]
ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162626 << if i can see ribs -> not exciting.	[18:35]
assbot	Logged on 12-06-2015 21:25:22; mircea_popescu: ascii_field she's slightly overweight.	[18:35]
ascii_field	but 'different folks, different strokes'	[18:35]
trinque	decimation: I like these tiny cuboid cases	[18:35]
ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162636 << where to get 'standard hardware' ?	[18:36]
assbot	Logged on 12-06-2015 21:26:36; trinque: mod6: this is why I think a standard set of relatively cheap hardware is called in the default build	[18:36]
ascii_field	i know of no such thing	[18:36]
trinque	bah	[18:36]
trinque	trinque \| yeah, well... it's not going to be a lisp machine either	[18:36]
decimation	trinque: they are quiet	[18:36]
ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162651 << false. 100% of amd boxes	[18:37]
assbot	Logged on 12-06-2015 21:30:09; decimation: has closed bios, but that's going to be neigh impossible to avoid on x86	[18:37]
trinque	ascii_field: it's obvious I'm saying that picking hardware which is known in advance to boot gentoo	[18:37]
trinque	*might be beneficial	[18:37]
trinque	if you want a machine that does exactly and only and none other than what's in some specification, lol	[18:37]
*	trinque goes to find a plow	[18:38]
ascii_field	http://www.pcengines.ch/apu.htm << i've been using these for various x86y things	[18:38]
assbot	PC Engines apu system boards ... ( http://bit.ly/1JL2POd )	[18:38]
ascii_field	entirely linuxable	[18:38]
ascii_field	(incl. bios)	[18:38]
ascii_field	doesn't even come with a 'civilian' bios	[18:38]
ascii_field	but - it has no vga.	[18:39]
ascii_field	nor is there any obvious means to add one	[18:39]
trinque	not so bad to be headless	[18:39]
ascii_field	(i tried the mpcie slots with various vga cards. no go.)	[18:39]
ascii_field	you can tunnel x11 out of it if you insist.	[18:39]
ascii_field	(most frustrating thing is that the amd chip on this board ~has vga~ built in. but no amp on the pcb and no connector.)	[18:40]
trinque	heh combine this guy with the terminal I think decimation picked up	[18:40]
decimation	yeah absolutely	[18:40]
decimation	or use another computer for terminal	[18:41]
ascii_field	has 3 x 1G ethernet. can tunnel x11 out of it with no palpable delay	[18:41]
ascii_field	(this is another reason why the shitgnomatic 'replacements' for x11 are nonsensical. if i can't get EXACT same experience through a net connection to the machine without idiocies like 'sharing desktop', the gui is WORHTLESS)	[18:42]
trinque	$127 or $150 for 4gb ram	[18:42]
jurov	will it blend...er.. run eulora?	[18:42]
trinque	doubtful	[18:42]
decimation	heh	[18:42]
ascii_field	jurov: probably not. no 3d card	[18:42]
ascii_field	srsly	[18:42]
decimation	good luck getting winblow to boot	[18:42]
trinque	but what's the goal	[18:43]
trinque	I see this as a box with which to connect to the wotnet, things like that	[18:43]
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mats	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMgGzgE2R_U	[18:43]
assbot	Green Day - Dominated Love Slave + lyrics - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JL3gYK )	[18:43]
trinque	your bitchin gaming pc goes behind it	[18:43]
trinque	!up ascii_field	[18:43]
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ascii_field	decimation: laugh, but winblows boots on'em!	[18:43]
ascii_field	finds the onboard vga (with no output) even.	[18:43]
ascii_field	('corebios' aka linuxbios ships with a simple dos-compat. layer that will boot winblows if you must)	[18:44]
ascii_field	in as far as x86-64 goes, these boards are surprisingly good.	[18:45]
decimation	heh amusing	[18:45]
ascii_field	(that is, nothing obviously and profanely turdalicious on them)	[18:45]
ascii_field	even brings the spi eeprom where bios is out to pin headers, for ease of reflashing/readback	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	all these social media derps saying "privilege" like it's a bad thing ?!	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	wtf is with this bullshit. the only thing better than being privileged is being hm	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	there's nothing better than beingpriviledged.	[18:46]
decimation	ascii_field: can you boot from eeprom?	[18:46]
mats	fun fact (unapproved by the FCC): the VGA is a decent TX-only SDR.	[18:46]
ascii_field	decimation: all of mine, do	[18:46]
ascii_field	you can stuff generic kernel in there	[18:46]
trinque	mircea_popescu: means "not fair, give me your shit"	[18:47]
decimation	mats: it would be noisy as hell	[18:47]
trinque	to them	[18:47]
ascii_field	mats: ancient history. music over vga	[18:47]
*	mircea_popescu shrugs.	[18:47]
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decimation	wow even can order metal case	[18:48]
ascii_field	mats: http://bellard.org/dvbt << can even transmit digital tv !	[18:48]
assbot	Analog and Digital TV (DVB-T) Signal Generation ... ( http://bit.ly/1JL3I9u )	[18:48]
ascii_field	with normal vga card.	[18:48]
ascii_field	http://www.erikyyy.de/tempest << the classic one	[18:49]
mats	i've not seen that before	[18:49]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1JL3JtY )	[18:49]
ascii_field	^ plays music	[18:49]
trinque	http://www.pcengines.ch/case1c2u.htm << looks great	[18:50]
assbot	PC Engines case1c2u product file ... ( http://bit.ly/1JL3S0x )	[18:50]
ascii_field	aha, i have this.	[18:50]
ascii_field	rock-solid box	[18:50]
decimation	http://www.computerworld.com/article/2935554/it-careers/labor-dept-plans-h-1b-probe-one-that-could-have-an-impact.html	[18:51]
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assbot	Labor Dept. plans H-1B probe -- one that could have an impact \| Computerworld ... ( http://bit.ly/1QTosuE )	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162688 << it gets better. i have reports of an assortment of cards, including uber popular stuff like nvidia 520 series, getting 2-3 fps on eulora.	[18:51]
assbot	Logged on 12-06-2015 21:38:55; jurov: will it blend...er.. run eulora?	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	with multiple versions of newest drivers etc.	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	for reasons ???? nobody fucking knows.	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	opengl something or other, for sure.	[18:51]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: i can tell you now, why	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	do	[18:51]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: microshit discourages functional opengl in gpu drivers	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	so ?	[18:52]
ascii_field	(they wish to have their 'directx' turd in universal, mandatory use)	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	problem exists on fucking ubuntu apparently.	[18:52]
ascii_field	so it pulls on the ropes.	[18:52]
ascii_field	problem exists at the two remaining gpu makers.	[18:52]
ascii_field	each is a proud servant of microshit.	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	i dunno man, i get 60 fps constant on that thing.	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	also nvidia card	[18:52]
decimation	*nvidia recommends winblows for optimal experience	[18:53]
ascii_field	any common factors between the unhappy cards ?	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	anyway, i was looking for a why more in the form of IdiotCamelCaseFunctionOfDoomNotImplementedRevertsToSoftwareEmulation	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field not that i could discern so far.	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	but next s.mg report is going to contain list of functional gpus.	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	which is exactly in line of what trinque was saying	[18:54]
ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162751 << that is precisely what you're experiencing, but the source is not public.	[18:54]
assbot	Logged on 12-06-2015 21:49:40; mircea_popescu: anyway, i was looking for a why more in the form of IdiotCamelCaseFunctionOfDoomNotImplementedRevertsToSoftwareEmulation	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	opengl is public.	[18:55]
ascii_field	the back end.	[18:55]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[18:55]
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ascii_field	where it turns into actual gpu instructions	[18:55]
ascii_field	is not public.	[18:55]
mircea_popescu	that's all i care to know : what portion of the spec is not implemented correctly.	[18:55]
mircea_popescu	i don't give a shit about that	[18:55]
mircea_popescu	im not here to fix anything	[18:55]
mircea_popescu	i am here to burn things	[18:55]
mircea_popescu	stirctly, strictly that. i don't aim to run a university, i aim to run a decimation service.	[18:56]
ascii_field	burn nvidia. (amd at least shows remorse, published gpu specs for a megatonne of cards, and ~no one has done anything with them~)	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	for now i want the camel.	[18:56]
ascii_field	which camel? the one who walks through the eye of a needle ?	[18:57]
mircea_popescu	IdiotCamelCaseFunctionOfDoomNotImplementedRevertsToSoftwareEmulation	[18:57]
ascii_field	ah	[18:57]
decimation	reverse engineer driver	[18:58]
ascii_field	decimation: that gets you ~one particular chip~	[18:58]
ascii_field	see also the fpga threads.	[18:58]
mircea_popescu	so far i'm waiting for someone with experience to go "oh! well of course!"	[18:58]
mircea_popescu	"it alwas looks like this when X"	[18:59]
decimation	the probability that someone derps with ubuntu AND can find root causes of closed driver failures strikes me as low	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	it happens across the board, not just ubuntu	[19:05]
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mircea_popescu	i just said it happened on ubuntu to dispel the theory it'd be windows specific, it's not	[19:05]
ascii_field	does the thing use shader /	[19:06]
ascii_field	?	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	yea	[19:06]
ascii_field	likely culprit	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	and yes prolly the shader's involved because clipping and flicking	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	myeah	[19:07]
punkman	http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/naacp-leader-rachel-dolezal-lied-black-parents-article-1.2255743	[19:08]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1QTqP0s )	[19:08]
decimation	lol	[19:10]
trinque	govt owes her state-funded skin pigment reassignment	[19:11]
trinque	usistan, glorious empire of delusional narcissism	[19:12]
shinohai	is there anyone here that is a btc .conf wiz ?	[19:12]
mats	ask your question, don't ask to ask	[19:13]
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shinohai	blocking nodes is inefficient, yes?	[19:14]
trinque	INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR MEANINGFUL ANSWER	[19:18]
shinohai	my apologies, I am researching as well	[19:19]
trinque	http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html	[19:20]
assbot	The Last Question -- Isaac Asimov ... ( http://bit.ly/1QTspj0 )	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	shinohai inefficient for what purpose ?	[19:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [BTR] 3500 @ 0.00111 = 3.885 BTC	[19:20]
danielpbarron	shinohai, see: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1149136	[19:21]
assbot	Logged on 31-05-2015 21:23:54; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1149116 << i tried various values of 'misbehave' increment per orphan block - 20, 50, even 100. in my tests, this made sync... slower. reason, as i understand, was that 1) you lose time renegotiating connection 2) overwhelmingly likely that any node you reconnect to -also- shits just as many orphans.	[19:21]
shinohai	suppoae i wish to ignore xt nodes by default	[19:21]
shinohai	thiswould be better when i arrive home, irc on phone is terrible	[19:22]
*	trinque wonders if pf could accomplish that	[19:22]
trinque	shinohai: sounds like a patch to bitcoind	[19:23]
shinohai	there are only a few hundred ip's if that	[19:23]
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shinohai	well, 123 http://xtnodes.com/	[19:24]
assbot	XTnodes.com - Bitcoin XT Nodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLX7ee )	[19:24]
mircea_popescu	shinohai nothing prevents you from ignoring any node. this is how people deal with hooligans, it's been a thing since forever.	[19:26]
mircea_popescu	i see no problem with simply nullrouting all "xt nodes", and for that matter the general practice is to block any node that advertises a version different from your own.	[19:26]
mircea_popescu	seeing how what version you run is a political choice more than a technological one, accepting dissent is -ev for your own affairs.	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	it is, after all, a consensus mechanism, not a fucking science journal.	[19:27]
shinohai	I'm good then. its running so meh	[19:31]
trinque	ascii_field: thanks for the link to pcengines; very interesting to me for a variety of uses	[19:32]
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scoopbot_revived	Eulora second event - Sunday, June 14th http://trilema.com/2015/eulora-second-event-sunday-june-14th/	[19:49]
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jurov	only bandar toolkit is something that i can both make and have sense to have blessed	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	wellthen.	[20:05]
danielpbarron	i must be close to being able to make something useful. I've been scoring claims that yeild 100+ items	[20:09]
jurov	danielpbarron: today?	[20:09]
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danielpbarron	yeah, last night and today	[20:11]
jurov	yest everything i found was tiny	[20:11]
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danielpbarron	well.. "last night" .. "very very early this morning"	[20:11]
mircea_popescu	!up Bob32442	[20:11]
-assbot-	You voiced Bob32442 for 30 minutes.	[20:11]
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danielpbarron	the learning curv is very steep with eulora, to the point where it's a chore to get going with it. But once I had a few things figured out it is now becoming addictive	[20:12]
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jurov	danielpbarron: could say sooner the claims are there. i just logged in today and let it be.	[20:17]
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jurov	at least figured out cs supports python scripting	[20:17]
Bob32442	hmm, I don't get the cap, why is it that it can't be removed?	[20:18]
jurov	Bob32442: what cap? blocksize?	[20:18]
jurov	go read trilema	[20:18]
Bob32442	yeah	[20:18]
Bob32442	so... wait, then why does anyone use bitcoin if they think that's going to happen?	[20:20]
Bob32442	Maybe I should read the rest of it lol	[20:21]
Bob32442	ah	[20:27]
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mircea_popescu	danielpbarron information-wise steep ?	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	"anyone" is a particularly inept model. it presumes the world composed of imbecile 20somethings like one finds on reddit.	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	this is pointedly untrue.	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	people who use money are fundamentally different than the sort of bovines sturggling with us college education.	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	who, notably, do not use money either. or yachts. etc.	[20:39]
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mike_c	jurov: have you been able to write a python script that'll do something in the game?	[20:45]
jurov	lol far from that	[20:46]
mike_c	ah	[20:46]
jurov	just found scripting support in cs and after some diddling, compiled and ran tutorial app	[20:46]
jurov	seems that feature was left to rot	[20:47]
mike_c	so the plan would be to modify client in someway that would then support python scripting	[20:47]
mike_c	if interest held	[20:47]
trinque	http://m.phys.org/_news353350213.html	[20:48]
assbot	Phys.Org Mobile: Chinese hackers got sensitive military files: report ... ( http://bit.ly/1JLdqbV )	[20:48]
jurov	yes, if ~ then i'll do the irc stuff in py, too. but then have to bundle python in win32 package, too	[20:48]
trinque	doesn't seem like they're amused by the "pivot"	[20:49]
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cazalla	oh boy this article is gonna be a good one	[21:13]
mircea_popescu	mike_c it should be possible tho.	[21:15]
mike_c	yeah, i'll have to take another crack at compiling this thing	[21:15]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, fwiw, the thinking minigame side is that if there's three or four independently maintained clients which each does its own thing that's perfect.	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	minigame will always release a "reference client", but i'd frankly love for people to make their own.	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	cazalla which one ? :D	[21:29]
cazalla	publishing it soon, just adding links	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	cool	[21:29]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162846 << gotta love usg. always 'chinese wreckers stole,' never 'microshit turdows spilled'	[21:34]
assbot	Logged on 12-06-2015 23:44:37; trinque: http://m.phys.org/_news353350213.html	[21:34]
trinque	heh no kidding	[21:35]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162802 << my understanding is that hearn is more clever than gavin, laid his traps such that they all spring at once when he pulls the switch (and emulates something like proper bitcoin until then)	[21:35]
assbot	Logged on 12-06-2015 22:17:19; shinohai: suppoae i wish to ignore xt nodes by default	[21:35]
cazalla	do ur thang scoopbot	[21:36]
trinque	asciilifeform: the github repo says "this is so totally not about blocksize"	[21:36]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162814 << be aware, the thing isn't some paragon of good hygiene. (the nic, like all modern nics, has some hidden cpu; etc) but is the cleanest x86 i know of to still be in production	[21:37]
assbot	Logged on 12-06-2015 22:28:57; trinque: ascii_field: thanks for the link to pcengines; very interesting to me for a variety of uses	[21:37]
trinque	the reddit post referencing hearn said "we could increase blocksize on xt in a week" 3 days gago	[21:37]
trinque	*ago	[21:37]
scoopbot_revived	U.S. Treasury: Bitcoin Used In Money Laundering, Terrorist Financing http://qntra.net/2015/06/u-s-treasury-bitcoin-used-in-money-laundering-terrorist-financing/	[21:37]
trinque	asciilifeform: your and other material has long since disabused me of the idea that I'll own a computer any time soon	[21:38]
asciilifeform	re: t3rr0r1sm!!111!!!1: for all the loud usg idiocy, the head-choppers have yet to chop a head, on camera, on top of a carpet with their gpg fingeprint embroidered on it	[21:40]
asciilifeform	so anyone who thinks he is writing them a letter, is writing to ft meade	[21:41]
asciilifeform	ditto for anyone who is reading 'their' communiques.	[21:42]
asciilifeform	i somehow fail to grasp why this is so. did the prophet forbid the multiplication of large primes ?	[21:42]
asciilifeform	but not, e.g., kalashnikov ?	[21:42]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform ayup, they are very singlemindedly following their talking pointsa.	[21:43]
asciilifeform	ditto for the idiots sending 'them' bitcoin	[21:43]
asciilifeform	usg is laughing all the way to, well, their wallet.	[21:43]
mircea_popescu	and yes hearn is a better political animal than gavin, but not more intelligent	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	just, one admits to himself he's filth, the other does not.	[21:44]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i haven't a clue whether hearn is the actual author of the hearnias in question, or not. only that the particular boobytrap which he misrepresents as 'bitcoin' is a more subtle one.	[21:44]
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mircea_popescu	hypocrisy is always lower functioning.	[21:44]
asciilifeform	it blew me away that hearn openly expressed an interest in 'remote attestation' on the air.	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform apparently the prophet is said to have forbidden, by some twerps	[21:46]
asciilifeform	it's a leper's bell, loud and clear	[21:46]
mircea_popescu	recall the case of the british terrorist who used caesar cypher because "excel smarter than anything the gyauri could have invented" ?	[21:46]
asciilifeform	aha.	[21:46]
asciilifeform	i read it as a mix of stupidity and desperation	[21:46]
asciilifeform	(where is he supposed to get non-usg crypto that he can understand ?)	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	it's all stupidity.	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	it is meaningless to speak of a revolutionary's desperation.	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	if he were not desperate ~of the world~ he would be pursuing a career.	[21:47]
asciilifeform	what i also don't get is, didn't any of these folks, in three generations of service to brit and then sov. empire, learn vernam ?	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	if his desperation of the world meant what it usually means, he'd be long gone.	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	that he's here makes the word meaningless	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	dude, i had to be the first one to show the concept of a map to random cairo cab driver.	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	what, you think women pop out smart people now or something ? what is this, the spherical future ?	[21:48]
asciilifeform	cabbie isn't usually same as 50 y.o. ex-signals corps fella	[21:49]
mircea_popescu	orly ?	[21:49]
asciilifeform	(no lack of the latter working as the former, sure)	[21:49]
mircea_popescu	the reason "export controls" work is that idiots perceive themselves as ~equal to everyone else.	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	so they don't miss what they don't have.	[21:50]
asciilifeform	but this is easily broken by some helpful fella giving then a bit of what they lack.	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	no, it is not.	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	because idiot's main concern is whether this makes the other guy better than him	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	AS IF this can be in debate.	[21:51]
asciilifeform	and, incidentally, sov. engineers had no trouble 'missing what they don't have' and went to great lengths to get it	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	they knew themselves to be idiots.	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	arabs do not.	[21:52]
asciilifeform	sometimes via multi-$mil elaborate s4mz0r1ngs	[21:52]
asciilifeform	(see the japanese cnc mill case)	[21:52]
asciilifeform	or the hilariously complicated network of shill corps through which ussr purchased dec pdp and vax	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	was that ever published ?	[21:53]
asciilifeform	in english? no idea	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	in drawings lol	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	names are names	[21:53]
asciilifeform	http://www.foia.cia.gov/sites/default/files/document_conversions/89801/DOC_0000500644.pdf << from horse's mouth. scan of ancient usg memo detailing 'omg111!!!111! they stole it all'	[21:54]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1FZwAn6 )	[21:54]
asciilifeform	take, obviously, with a grain of liquid shit	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	mmyeah	[21:55]
asciilifeform	the whole 'keep those orcs from getting modern tech' thing was intensely counter-economic from standpoint of u.s. chip makers, as ussr was prepared to pay with gold, plutonium, virgins, 100x the going rate	[21:55]
asciilifeform	and the merchants, unsurprisingly, wanted to sell.	[21:56]
asciilifeform	(american industrial folk knew that orcs would copy, but also knew that the copies would not appear on american market. so it was not an issue of patent rights)	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	but not for very many	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	in any shape or form the deal would have been a tech transfer, not an item sale.	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	and the soviets were NOT prepared to pay with slaves.	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	anything but that. the chinese paid with slaves later on, and it took.	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	even if the payment was, like all payments, false.	[22:03]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: jp got paid in, iirc, gold.	[22:04]
asciilifeform	ditto u.s. grain	[22:04]
asciilifeform	p. 6 of the report is hilariously mistaken. ussr produced perfectly adequate hdd for the period. we had one: http://www.retro-pc.net/musei/dd/hdd/index_ru.htm (scroll to middle past the japanese unit)	[22:13]
asciilifeform	(how much of the -inside- was made overseas, i do not know)	[22:14]
asciilifeform	the 760mb 'micropolis' featured in this www is actually in my kitchen now.	[22:15]
asciilifeform	it is in the symbolics 3620 lisp machine, and works still.	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euergetism << check it out, poorly translated french shannonizer content, trying to misrepresent classical antiquity more in line with the modern idiocies.	[22:16]
assbot	Euergetism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZzdWc )	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	what was the name of that derpy french knownothing the english world went all gaga over earlier this year ?	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	derpyterpy something, four syllables ending in y ?	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	piketty ty.	[22:16]
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asciilifeform	!up referredbyloper	[22:21]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?c=622 << yours ?	[22:21]
assbot	OLD-COMPUTERS.COM musem ~ IPTVT (Traian Vuia Polytechnical Institute) MicroTim ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZzJ6l )	[22:21]
asciilifeform	mentioned in the cia thing (p. 43)	[22:21]
asciilifeform	under brand 'amic'	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	- TIM-S: 6 Mhz mode, 80 KB RAM, 16 KB ROM <	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	and amic iirc was not actually a z80	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	it also sucked.	[22:22]
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asciilifeform	http://www.homecomputer.de/images/wanted/easteurope/aMIC.jpg << it ?	[22:23]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1BciWBg )	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	well minus the monitor and deck tape, which are random items	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	http://www.homecomputer.de/pages/easteurope_ro.html#amic < there	[22:25]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Bcj8jS )	[22:25]
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asciilifeform	the profusion of absolutely abysmal keyboards in '80s sovblok micros always bewildered me. any country that knows how to make ballpoint pens could have copied ibm's keyboard	[22:26]
asciilifeform	(the necessary only metallic part is the springs, quite identical to those found in pen)	[22:27]
mircea_popescu	the tim-s had a decent, steel spring actioned keyboard	[22:27]
asciilifeform	not obvious from the photo	[22:27]
mircea_popescu	they briefly used a "sealed flexible plastic sensor" bs, but got out of it within a year or so	[22:27]
mircea_popescu	the hc had a very retarded arrangement, where the straight rather than /- shaped keys caught, and so on.	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	but the tim-s was decent, about on par with today's no name chinese kbd	[22:30]
asciilifeform	today's disposables have no springs, only rubber bulbs (molded into a sheet)	[22:31]
mircea_popescu	(significantly harder, ofcourse, but at the time most everyone was used to manual typewriters, which is maybe 10x the force anyone born after 1980 types with)	[22:31]
*	mircea_popescu takes out a key, looks at the spring, puts it back in	[22:31]
asciilifeform	interestingly, mechanical 'underwood'-style typewriters are beloved by american 'hipster writer' types. they are easy enough to find in junk stores	[22:32]
asciilifeform	there is a kind of cargo cult appeal to the things	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	they prolly come in discount packages with leika film cams	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	for hipster couples.	[22:32]
asciilifeform	l0l	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	they could pretend it's grenwich village 1963	[22:32]
asciilifeform	what keyboard mircea_popescu has, 'unicomp' ? i know of no other that has springs but can still be described as 'disposable'	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	she could be an anais nin of photography and he could be an henry miller of poetry	[22:33]
asciilifeform	(fella i know just threw just such a keyboard out, after getting a proper 'm')	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	nfi.	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	it	[22:34]
asciilifeform	https://rakanalysis.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/unicomp.jpg	[22:34]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1FZByjL )	[22:34]
asciilifeform	^ they make cheap copies using classical ibm drawings	[22:34]
asciilifeform	lasts a few yrs.	[22:34]
asciilifeform	iirc it omits the steel 'anvil' found in the genuine 'm'	[22:35]
trinque	complete with speedometer	[22:35]
asciilifeform	so the pcb eventually augers in, cracks	[22:35]
*	asciilifeform likes his 'ibm m' and 'northgate' kbds but would eventually like something that doesn't throw rf around for fifty metres	[22:37]
asciilifeform	culprit, incidentally, is the scanned switching matrix, present in -all- pc keyboards.	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	http://sd4.eu/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/microtim.jpg << there	[22:38]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1FZC4yf )	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	http://sd4.eu/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/cip3.jpg << and that's the 90s version. by then only the poor kids were still dicking around with z80s tho	[22:39]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1FZCaGc )	[22:39]
*	asciilifeform almost asked where the 'lat' key is, but then hit self on head	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	lol	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	http://sd4.eu/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/jet2.jpg << also, repurposed phone chassis	[22:40]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1FZCpRA )	[22:40]
asciilifeform	would've been classy if they'd left the cradle in, to use as accoustic modem	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	http://sd4.eu/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/1352440858_screen.png << this one's for mike_c	[22:42]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1FZCxRa )	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	"Mai erau CIP-urile, pe care incarcai interpretorul BASIC de pe caseta, era nasol ca resetai si iti lua timp si incarcarea lui. In plus ii sareau tastele in permanenta, si pierdeai si arculetele de pix din ele, se rupeau piciorusele de plastic, era aiurea."	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	"it sucked because their keys kept jumping off and you'd lose the dumbass ballpointpen springs "	[22:43]
asciilifeform	l0l	[22:45]
*	asciilifeform an hour or so ago was reassembling 'model m', dried from wash, and noticed the very fine detail on the keys which prevents popping. good injection molding tech is needed to have these.	[22:47]
asciilifeform	http://s1191.photobucket.com/user/slaktarnp90/media/IBM%20model%20M%20och%20N2/Tangentersidan.jpg.html	[22:48]
assbot	Från Sidan Photo by slaktarnp90 \| Photobucket ... ( http://bit.ly/1BclZtg )	[22:48]
mike_c	mircea_popescu: that one isn't ringing a bell, but it looks fun :)	[22:52]
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danielpbarron	!up ben-of-the-casca	[23:17]
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ben-of-the-casca	ty!	[23:17]
ben-of-the-casca	re eulora, dpb, ive found rocks and scratches mostly by looking for things further away than the bushes are rendering	[23:18]
ben-of-the-casca	looking forward to being able to /explore tho	[23:19]
danielpbarron	i can sell you a stack of the item that gives you it :D	[23:19]
ben-of-the-casca	how much and how many?	[23:19]
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danielpbarron	23 for 0.01 ?	[23:20]
mod6	wat	[23:20]
ben-of-the-casca	let me get further bored by looking for the last item	[23:21]
ben-of-the-casca	unless mod6 just derps it over to me	[23:21]
mod6	waddya need?	[23:22]
danielpbarron	1 of them isn't much; you don't get good results until it's mostly maxed out	[23:22]
ben-of-the-casca	not the rock, not the scratchings but that other thing	[23:22]
ben-of-the-casca	dpb aha	[23:22]
danielpbarron	for me it was the rock that i found last	[23:23]
danielpbarron	and someone had to lead me to it	[23:23]
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mod6	oh those rocks	[23:23]
ben-of-the-casca	the renderings so fucked in my machine	[23:23]
mod6	i can give you one, i've only got 3.	[23:23]
ben-of-the-casca	i can see markers and items - but theyre just black	[23:24]
danielpbarron	my laptop overheats and the game goes at 3 fps but that doesn't really effect game play yet	[23:24]
danielpbarron	that's just if it's night time	[23:24]
ben-of-the-casca	OH	[23:24]
ben-of-the-casca	well then	[23:24]
mod6	dang	[23:24]
mod6	im getting 15-16 fps on my core i5 internal graphics card.	[23:24]
mod6	im the only guy in eulora right now	[23:25]
mod6	everyone else is at the club, making it rain	[23:25]
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mod6	now if this kernel would just hurry up...	[23:26]
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decimation	http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/chinese-hack-of-government-network-compromises-security-clearance-files/2015/06/12/9f91f146-1135-11e5-9726-49d6fa26a8c6_story.html < sucks for usg employees	[23:31]
assbot	Chinese hack compromised security-clearance database - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ia1Kd0 )	[23:31]
danielpbarron	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-06-2015#1162834 << yeah, all the different mechanics were a bit overwhelming at first. Starting to coalesce in my mind	[23:32]
assbot	Logged on 12-06-2015 23:34:43; mircea_popescu: danielpbarron information-wise steep ?	[23:32]
danielpbarron	i haven't played a game that's like this in a long while	[23:32]
danielpbarron	it's annoying now, having to click so many times to do stuff, but I understand why each step is separate	[23:33]
danielpbarron	in the future, someone can specialize each step of production	[23:34]
danielpbarron	and I upvote the named keys idea	[23:35]
danielpbarron	is it possible to make the inventory interface more like that of minecraft?	[23:36]
danielpbarron	for example, when clicking a stack of items > 1, it should just pick up the whole thing by default	[23:37]
danielpbarron	and then you can have left-click right-click and shift-click drop varying amounts	[23:37]
decimation	usg's breach is significant - they lose personal information on people whom usg asks to keep secrets	[23:46]
cazalla	http://www.theage.com.au/comment/australian-houses-are-just-glorified-tents-in-winter-20150610-ghj2ox TLDR more people die from cold in australian due to shitty homes than the hot summers we're known for	[23:51]
assbot	Australian houses are just glorified tents in winter ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ia3936 )	[23:51]
decimation	cazalla: I thought only the us built shit homes	[23:52]
cazalla	decimation, at least the shit homes are somewhat cheaper there.. here you pay a cool million for place with no front/back yard made of straw	[23:53]
decimation	heh	[23:53]
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decimation	where does all this money come from? is it because people bid up AU$ because of the raw materials?	[23:54]
cazalla	low interest rates, deposits are given to kids from boomers, chinese investment and truckloads of negative gearing ensuring people have 4-5 investment properties	[23:55]
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decimation	people have to have income to qualify for loans	[23:57]
decimation	does everyone get paid $200k?	[23:57]
cazalla	nah you don't need 200k salary, you can borrow a million on like 50k	[23:58]

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