Forum logs for 12 Feb 2013

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
truffles im a friendly person [00:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.759 = 7.59 BTC [+] [00:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.76 = 6.08 BTC [+] [00:05]
mircea_popescu lmao [00:06]
mircea_popescu !ticker m s.dice [00:06]
assbot [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00556183 / 0.00606203 / 0.0064 (49421 shares, 299.59 BTC), 7D: 0.0042 / 0.00571766 / 0.00739498 (4354487 shares, 24,897.50 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.00556178 / 0.0075 (8437874 shares, 46,929.61 BTC) [00:06]
mircea_popescu ;;calc (0.76 - 0.00606203 * 100 * 95/100) * 18 [00:07]
gribble 3.3139287 [00:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.76 = 7.6 BTC [+] [00:08]
truffles mp i am friendly! [00:09]
truffles there are less ppl in here so obv i type here [00:09]
truffles betting like half the ppl read the comments [00:10]
midnightmagic that's.. kind of creepy. [00:12]
midnightmagic "13:56 < truffles> def gonna stalk that guy damit" [00:12]
mircea_popescu so you're friendly, good for you. what of it ? [00:12]
truffles u laughed meaning u didnt believe me [00:13]
truffles i called it very interested midnightmagic [00:13]
truffles -ed [00:13]
mircea_popescu most stuff happening in this channel is not related to you. [00:13]
mircea_popescu i laughed at the price insanity. [00:13]
truffles ok [00:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11903 @ 0.00062683 = 7.4612 BTC [-] [00:13]
truffles midnightmagic, dont u get the feeling bitcoiners are in a cult [00:19]
* truffles imagines the backlash if said in #bitcoin [00:20]
midnightmagic truffles: I get the feeling people looking in think it's a cult because the idea is strong enough to change minds. I also think people think all the psychopaths sniffing around the edges trying to fleece victims aren't doing us any favours, nor idiotic sites like silk road. [00:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00062944 = 7.1127 BTC [+] [00:22]
truffles i hear all the talk about sticking it to the system but can it [00:22]
truffles what about all the ppl without computers [00:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.00062944 = 5.004 BTC [+] [00:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00063265 = 3.353 BTC [+] [00:24]
kakobreklaa they got mobiles. [00:24]
truffles all the rich ppl can buy fast pcs and get most of the rewards [00:25]
kakobreklaa the what [00:26]
truffles btc [00:26]
mircea_popescu ok this is enough of that. [00:26]
truffles!*@* added to ignore list. [00:26]
kakobreklaa id guess you are on his ignore list by now. [00:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00063521 = 1.9056 BTC [+] [00:31]
kakobreklaa i think its cute. [00:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.00062683 = 6.2996 BTC [-] [00:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19568 @ 0.00062675 = 12.2642 BTC [-] [00:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1032 @ 0.00062656 = 0.6466 BTC [-] [00:35]
pigeons truffles: this is old, we dont want to hear it [00:35]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8673 @ 0.00062656 = 5.4342 BTC [-] [00:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8061 @ 0.00062628 = 5.0484 BTC [-] [00:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100 @ 0.00062628 = 0.0626 BTC [-] [00:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10 @ 0.00062628 = 0.0063 BTC [-] [00:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10 @ 0.00062628 = 0.0063 BTC [-] [00:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10 @ 0.00062628 = 0.0063 BTC [-] [00:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10 @ 0.00062628 = 0.0063 BTC [-] [00:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1226 @ 0.00062608 = 0.7676 BTC [-] [00:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.00063136 = 1.7047 BTC [+] [00:45]
jurov lol that were my lil testing orders [00:49]
jurov at least no need to remove them now [00:49]
jurov truffles, how much do you want to pay for some juicy bit of history? [00:50]
jurov i'm sure i can dig something [00:50]
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jurov payment accepted. so i present you this snippet featuring mircea_popescu: http://bash.org/?953990 [00:54]
mircea_popescu Quote #953990 is pending moderation. ? [00:55]
mircea_popescu shenanigans, i call them. [00:55]
jurov he got equivalent value for air btcs. [00:56]
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jurov but once it will get unmoderated, it's really #bitcoin-assets quote, i've added myself [00:56]
mircea_popescu http://mywabashvalley.com/fulltext?nxd_id=292862 [01:00]
mircea_popescu the news from indiana. [01:00]
Bugpowder_ did u see the coffee enema addicts from florida? [01:02]
Bugpowder_ ;;ticker [01:02]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 24.48786, Best ask: 24.52214, Bid-ask spread: 0.03428, Last trade: 24.43271, 24 hour volume: 29403.49796069, 24 hour low: 23.64560, 24 hour high: 24.54000, 24 hour vwap: 24.09918 [01:02]
jurov lol http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/02/11/elon-musk-calls-nytimes-review-of-the-tesla-model-s-fake-citing-vehicle-log-data-as-proof/ [01:03]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder_ yah [01:03]
mircea_popescu jurov omg they shoud be in bitcoin [01:03]
mircea_popescu delishious drama [01:03]
jurov yeah, maybe the reporter was btc miner and drained the battery :DD [01:04]
mircea_popescu ahahaha [01:04]
mircea_popescu HASHING TESLA! [01:04]
mircea_popescu giving pool hopping a whole new mining. [01:04]
Bugpowder_ lol [01:05]
mircea_popescu inb4 it turns out the tesla logging stuff had a bug in it [01:05]
mircea_popescu wait [01:11]
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jurov wait what? [01:21]
mircea_popescu nm lol [01:23]
jurov http://baselinescenario.com/2013/02/09/the-importance-of-excel/ [01:27]
jurov my brother does even industry energy calculations in excel [01:28]
jurov recently asked me about help importing 500k data points from some measurements [01:29]
mircea_popescu why excel [01:29]
jurov cause excel. whole article/discussion is about that. [01:29]
jurov after a while i gave up and did it for him in perl [01:29]
mircea_popescu “After subtracting the old rate from the new rate, the spreadsheet divided by their sum instead of their average, as the modeler had intended. This error likely had the effect of muting volatility by a factor of two and of lowering the VaR . . .” [01:30]
mircea_popescu juicy. [01:30]
kakobreklaa ;;bc,convert eur [01:30]
gribble 1 BTC = 24.61000 U.S. dollars = 18.3793876 Euros [01:30]
jurov ;;ticker [01:30]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 24.56393, Best ask: 24.61000, Bid-ask spread: 0.04607, Last trade: 24.61000, 24 hour volume: 30001.60733989, 24 hour low: 23.64560, 24 hour high: 24.61000, 24 hour vwap: 24.11142 [01:30]
jurov nice [01:30]
mircea_popescu Microsoft Excel is one of the greatest, most powerful, most important software applications of all time.** [01:31]
mircea_popescu what the fuck. [01:31]
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mircea_popescu who writes this shit. [01:31]
mircea_popescu dude. gcc is one of the greatest, more powerful, most important software "applications", w/e that means, of all time. [01:31]
jurov sadly it's the opinion of most everybody, really [01:31]
mircea_popescu vi. emacs. gnupg. [01:31]
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mircea_popescu fuck excell. what's it even for ?! [01:31]
mircea_popescu vaguely related, http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/law-enforcement-never-fails-to-unintentionally-entertain/ [01:32]
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mircea_popescu incidentally, "Wall Street doesn't have a great recent history with outside reviews either. JPMorgan and other banks recently shut down external reviews of their foreclosure practices" [01:36]
mircea_popescu it's not just mpex! [01:36]
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pigeons excel is a program to read microsoft's proprietary binary version of csv files [01:53]
pigeons oh yeah the newer ones are allegedly xml [01:53]
mircea_popescu http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/why-mpex-is-better-than-fiat-institutions-part-349085-we-dont-use-excel/ [02:10]
mircea_popescu all the juicy details of jpmorgan's embarassment included. [02:10]
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mircea_popescu !ticker m s.dice [02:16]
Bugpowder_ come back assbot [02:19]
mircea_popescu http://mpex.co/faq_pe.html [02:21]
mircea_popescu check this shit out, mpex faq in farsi [02:21]
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Bugpowder_ u should get it in arabi [02:24]
Bugpowder_ c [02:24]
Bugpowder_ This site feels really professional now. I think I can invest now. [02:25]
mircea_popescu i will get it in arabic [02:26]
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mod6 the farsi looks awesome [02:29]
mod6 not that i know what it says, lol. but it /looks/ awesome [02:29]
mircea_popescu it does [02:30]
mircea_popescu both chinese and persian are actually very aesthetically pleasing notations [02:30]
pizzaman1337 I hate how that language is aligned to the right side [02:30]
mircea_popescu well it;s one of thiose [02:31]
mircea_popescu speakingof which, the one i really have to get is hebrew [02:31]
mircea_popescu AND idish [02:31]
pigeons how do you say "idiot" in farsi? [02:32]
jcpham [02:32]
mircea_popescu he coped out, said "stupids" [02:32]
mircea_popescu مردم احمق [02:33]
mod6 haha [02:33]
mircea_popescu احمق being stoopid [02:33]
pigeons hey, my tatoo artist told me that meant "brave warrior" [02:35]
mircea_popescu seems accurate. [02:35]
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DeadWeasel ;;slap eskimobob [02:54]
* gribble slaps eskimobob with a elicitory torture [02:54]
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DeadWeas1l ;;ticker [02:59]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 24.51079, Best ask: 24.54000, Bid-ask spread: 0.02921, Last trade: 24.51079, 24 hour volume: 31430.66254096, 24 hour low: 23.64560, 24 hour high: 24.67503, 24 hour vwap: 24.16444 [02:59]
* DeadWeas1l is now known as DeadWeasel [03:01]
DeadWeasel ;;asks 25 [03:07]
gribble There are currently 9260.6569 bitcoins offered at or under 25.0 USD, worth 229947.752117 USD in total. [03:07]
DeadWeasel ;;bids 24.5 [03:07]
gribble There are currently 0 bitcoins demanded at or over 24.5 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. [03:07]
DeadWeasel ;;bids 24 [03:07]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell evoorhees https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77870.msg1520259#msg1520259 he has a point there [03:07]
gribble The operation succeeded. [03:07]
gribble There are currently 2032.1217 bitcoins demanded at or over 24.0 USD, worth 49120.3990789 USD in total. [03:08]
DeadWeasel ;;bids 23 [03:18]
gribble There are currently 10428.055 bitcoins demanded at or over 23.0 USD, worth 245554.642353 USD in total. [03:18]
DeadWeasel ;;bids 24 [03:18]
gribble There are currently 1774.9244 bitcoins demanded at or over 24.0 USD, worth 42951.1478531 USD in total. [03:18]
pigeons http://i.imgur.com/FO5bs3O.png [03:18]
kakobreklaa lol [03:18]
mircea_popescu ahaha nowai ? [03:19]
DeadWeasel who is that woman? i see here everyone online [03:19]
DeadWeasel everwhere* [03:19]
mircea_popescu that's the fearsome mpoe-pr [03:19]
pigeons picture from https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=92969.msg1519140#msg1519140 [03:21]
DeadWeasel that your PR front MP? [03:22]
mircea_popescu my pr, yes. [03:22]
DeadWeasel it couldn't hurt. [03:23]
pigeons heh, you would think [03:24]
pigeons if you were to just guess [03:24]
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DeadWeasel i'm a great guesser. [03:25]
pigeons apparently not [03:26]
* DeadWeasel guesses the price of bitcoin will go up or down [03:26]
DeadWeasel bam! [03:26]
DeadWeasel hard to argue with an idiot, eh? [03:27]
mircea_popescu http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/13606324795.jpg have a prize [03:28]
DeadWeasel plastic wrapped. that must mean they're fresh [03:28]
mircea_popescu lol [03:29]
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mircea_popescu ;;ticker [03:49]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 24.44617, Best ask: 24.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.05383, Last trade: 24.44617, 24 hour volume: 31371.13774248, 24 hour low: 23.64560, 24 hour high: 24.67503, 24 hour vwap: 24.18070 [03:49]
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gabridome !help [03:50]
mircea_popescu gabridome what are you trying to do ? [03:52]
gabridome hi just to obtain command help.. [03:52]
mircea_popescu i don't think assbot has a help implemented. [03:52]
mircea_popescu pretty much what it does is [03:52]
mircea_popescu !ticker m s.mpoe [03:53]
mircea_popescu sort of thing [03:53]
mircea_popescu gribble is [03:53]
mircea_popescu ;;help [03:53]
gribble The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/ [03:53]
gabridome thanks [03:53]
* Now talking on #bitcoin-assets [12:30]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: Bitcoin asset exchanges: http://mpex.co || https://coinbr.com || https://cryptostocks.com || https://icbit.se || https://therocktrading.com || https://assets-otc.com || https://www.havelockinvestments.com || https://bitfunder.com || https://btct.co || http://picostocks.com || list bot commands: !help || Streaming trades only: #bitcoin-assets-trades [12:30]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~T42@89-212-41-49.static.t-2.net at Mon Dec 24 19:40:09 2012 [12:30]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell bugpowder http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/11/article-2276884-17841A9A000005DC-22_634x815.jpg [12:37]
gribble The operation succeeded. [12:37]
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Namworld http://namcdn.com/btcalarm/ [12:37]
Namworld @mircea [12:37]
Namworld A new tool to have an eye on price 24/7 for trading options [12:38]
mircea_popescu lol kinda cool. [12:39]
ThickerThanThiev $25.20 [12:39]
mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/225/bitcoin-to-surpass-gold-value-in-2013/ [12:40]
mircea_popescu that's a pretty interestin bet... [12:40]
Namworld per gram/oz/kg? [12:40]
BitHub go with no on that one [12:40]
Namworld because per gram, maybe [12:41]
mircea_popescu per 31ths of ounce comex price [12:41]
BitHub doubtful [12:41]
mircea_popescu atm its 2:3 [12:41]
mircea_popescu hence interesting [12:41]
Bowjob 25 dollars [12:41]
BitHub so it is per gram? [12:41]
Bowjob holy shit [12:41]
Namworld ah, then yeah [12:42]
mircea_popescu it's per 1/31th of ounce [12:42]
mircea_popescu so practically grams yea [12:42]
BitHub yes 31 grams in a troy ounce [12:42]
mircea_popescu 31.1 [12:42]
BitHub why don't they just say that [12:42]
mircea_popescu prolly lazy [12:42]
mircea_popescu also gold grams aren't really priced anywherew [12:42]
BitHub create confusion [12:42]
Bowjob So.. where are the bears [12:42]
mircea_popescu what's gold atm, 1650 ? [12:42]
BitHub around 50 a gram or something [12:43]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 1650 / 31 [12:43]
gribble 53.2258064516 [12:43]
mircea_popescu ya [12:43]
BitHub it could beat it [12:43]
mircea_popescu http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/02/11/cnn-anchor-blames-asteroid-on-global-warming/ [12:43]
BitHub does it just have to go over it, or by end of year it has to be over it? [12:43]
mircea_popescu this has to be the last word in libertard lmao [12:43]
Namworld Well anyway, I'm out [12:44]
Namworld goodbye [12:44]
mircea_popescu sleep tight [12:44]
ThickerThanThiev adios [12:44]
Bowjob at this rate, we [12:44]
Bowjob w'd see 3 digits [12:44]
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Bowjob soon [12:45]
mircea_popescu i love bitcoin, it fucks over people's sleep. [12:45]
Bowjob yah [12:45]
Bowjob 25 dollars [12:45]
Bowjob holy shit [12:45]
Bowjob i shoulda dumped at least 10k on this thing [12:45]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [12:45]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 25.28000, Best ask: 25.30000, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 25.30000, 24 hour volume: 38689.86085846, 24 hour low: 23.64560, 24 hour high: 25.30000, 24 hour vwap: 24.44526 [12:45]
ThickerThanThiev look at the goxlive [12:45]
Bowjob woulda been ballsy [12:45]
mircea_popescu well, shoulda coulda woulda... [12:45]
mircea_popescu prolly too late by now [12:45]
mircea_popescu or is it ? [12:45]
ThickerThanThiev http://mtgoxlive.com/orders [12:45]
Bowjob ooh [12:46]
Bowjob id be damned if btc reaches 1k [12:46]
Bowjob ea' [12:46]
Bowjob O_O [12:46]
mircea_popescu 30 looks possible. [12:46]
Bowjob id be a lazy fat cat [12:46]
Bowjob if that happens [12:46]
mircea_popescu i'll prolly be having dinners at the white house, if tht happens [12:46]
Bowjob so mp, hows the trolling contest no [12:47]
Bowjob w [12:47]
Bowjob anything notable? [12:47]
mircea_popescu well... so far buncha sa selfowning [12:47]
Bowjob that forum looks disgusting [12:48]
mircea_popescu but nothing substantial. [12:48]
mircea_popescu they're basically a buncha bitcoiners w/o bitcoin [12:48]
mircea_popescu but with equal faith in collectivism, being nice and whatnot [12:48]
Bowjob lol [12:48]
mircea_popescu a, and the various craps du jour. helping fags, women, niggers etc. [12:48]
mircea_popescu saving da planet, and whales [12:48]
mircea_popescu i forget what all is on the list. [12:49]
Bowjob mp for prez [12:49]
mircea_popescu lol noty. [12:50]
Bowjob u dont really have to do much just play gold [12:50]
Bowjob golf [12:50]
mircea_popescu i dont like golf. [12:51]
mircea_popescu i'd much rather just walk in a town than on a pasture. [12:51]
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mircea_popescu hey kakobreklaa, would it be possible for assbot to have a !last x y which'd replay the last trade of y on x ? [12:56]
Bowjob buying a 1 bedroom condo in dt vancouver, 5 BTC pm me [12:56]
mircea_popescu 1 bedroom condos ?! [12:57]
Bowjob mhm? [12:57]
Bowjob yap [12:57]
mircea_popescu these seriously exist ?! [12:57]
Bowjob yeah [12:57]
Bowjob why [12:57]
mircea_popescu i thought condo-ing was a sort of upscale affair [12:57]
Bowjob I typed 1 bedroom condo in google [12:58]
Bowjob it showed an ad in vancouver [12:58]
Bowjob maybe its a vancouver thing [12:58]
Bowjob here, condos are relatively cheap. detached houses are a million bucks each [12:58]
mircea_popescu hey. learn something new everyday [12:58]
Bowjob i know in other countries condos are expensive and detatched houses are cheap [12:58]
mircea_popescu but yes, seems it's 90% a canada thing [12:58]
Bowjob well, here in vancouver the homeowners rent their basement out to pay for mortgage [13:00]
mircea_popescu haha literally basement dwellers ? [13:00]
Bowjob since no one can pony up a million bucks [13:00]
Bowjob yeah [13:00]
Bowjob actually we started as basement dwellers.. until we switched to a house [13:00]
Bowjob mortgage is insane, 2k a month [13:01]
Ukto lol [13:01]
Ukto Bowjob: next time I fly out that way, we can meet up [13:01]
Bowjob but. parents are paying so im getting a free ride. [13:01]
Bowjob i wouldnt buy this house even if i had the money but its pretty nice [13:02]
Ukto actually, Bowjob, if your interested, I have someone who is looking to buy weex CAD [13:02]
Bowjob btc to cad? [13:03]
Ukto actually, he just needs a canuk to deposit cad into weex so he can hold weex cad [13:03]
Ukto not sure how he wants to settle up [13:03]
Ukto but you would need a bank account at rbc, scotia, td or BoM [13:03]
Bowjob Ah. I'm with a credit union [13:04]
Bowjob free debit card.. [13:04]
Ukto ah [13:04]
Ukto thanks then. just trying to put people together. :) [13:04]
Bowjob td is charging 15 dollars per month for a debit [13:05]
Bowjob lol im not really a canuck. i didnt participate in the riots [13:06]
knotwork thats insane. Royal gave me a free debit caard that masquerades on the net as a credit card [13:06]
Bowjob ooh. they are now charging 2 dollars to deposit paper money .. per 1000 [13:07]
Bowjob wtf is this [13:07]
Bowjob oh wait its business account lol [13:07]
mircea_popescu heh the amusements continue i see [13:12]
mircea_popescu ;;eauth mircea_popescu [13:12]
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mircea_popescu ;;rate fbastage -10 Never interacted with the guy. Prolly a scammer per https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101902.msg1516695#msg1516695 [13:13]
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mircea_popescu doh ?! [13:14]
mircea_popescu ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:756619e2969805ca04cc00f67579d291c815df246f20807f9c7515ea [13:14]
gribble You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452 [13:14]
mircea_popescu ;;rate fbastage -10 Never interacted with the guy. Prolly a scammer per https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101902.msg1516695#msg1516695 [13:14]
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BitHub anybody ever try out mpex, what's it like? [13:14]
mircea_popescu ;;rate eskimobob -10 Never interacted with the guy. Prolly a scammer per https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101902.msg1516695#msg1516695 [13:15]
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mircea_popescu heh that's not accurate is it. [13:16]
Bowjob i didnt know arabic text is from right to left [13:16]
mircea_popescu ;;rate eskimobob -10 #bitcoin-asset's premier angry clueless noob. Prolly a scammer per https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101902.msg1516695#msg1516695 [13:16]
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mircea_popescu Bowjob yeah, most middle eastern languages are like that. [13:16]
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mircea_popescu haha this is rich : lowtax joins btctalk https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=22158 [13:29]
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knotwork If you are pretty confident bitcoins are just going to generally keep going up and up, are options of much use, or are they generally mostly useful if you are uncertain thus want to hedge against your uncertainty? [13:30]
mircea_popescu this question presuposes that one's state of mind is more important than reality. [13:31]
mircea_popescu this is not the case. [13:31]
mircea_popescu however people feel is irrelevant. we don't know for a fact nor is there any clear mathematical proof that btc only goes up. [13:31]
mircea_popescu consequently, hedging is both responsible and required. [13:31]
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knotwork so options are useful to insure against it going down but not a means to increase the profit one is making from it going up? [13:38]
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mjr_ hi all [13:45]
leotreasure you can make money going up too [13:46]
leotreasure but you usually need to buy below the ask price to have any kind of chance [13:47]
mjr_ you can also arb the exchanges [13:47]
mjr_ specifically if you are fast on the other exchanges you can get better than mt. gox [13:47]
knotwork thats not options though [13:48]
mjr_ coinbase is too fast...but especially overnight, if you go on camp bx or bitfloor...people leave their limit orders up and you can get a bunch under $25 [13:48]
knotwork maybe if one could find someone willing to buy a put at current price you could make money going up due to they wont exercise it [13:49]
pizzaman1337 btc-e too [13:49]
BitHub hey leo, was it you i was talking to about the aud law and stuff? [13:49]
leotreasure hey BitHub yes it was [13:49]
mjr_ but yeah, options are tough, i just got calls so i wouldn't get left behind [13:49]
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mjr_ the 17 strike option was a good deal i think [13:49]
BitHub ahh, how did you go, get anymore answers to your questions? [13:49]
BitHub i checked out the site today [13:49]
leotreasure i'm going to speak with the head lawyer in Sydney in a few weeks [13:49]
BitHub where can i donate? :) [13:49]
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mjr_ if you just calculate the breakeven for each of the calls, you can find the "cheapest" one and then watch it rip lol [13:50]
leotreasure i haven't started accepting donations officially yet but i guess you could send them here 1LeobZhdhmvQUpcdgF7MExR1CobUygUi5P [13:51]
mjr_ in my case, yesterday my breakeven for the $17 call was 25.30 i think... [13:51]
leotreasure thanks btw :) [13:51]
BitHub .5 btc coming up :) keep up the good work [13:51]
knotwork what does the $17 even mean if actual breakeven is 25.30 ? [13:52]
mjr_ well [13:52]
BitHub sent :) [13:53]
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mjr_ you are paying for the option to buy bitcoins at $17 [13:53]
mjr_ but if i tell you i will give you that option for $8... [13:53]
knotwork and you pay 25.30 minus 17 as fee? [13:53]
mircea_popescu knotwork if you sell puits short [13:53]
mircea_popescu you do make a lot when it goes up [13:53]
mjr_ it doesn't make sense to use that option unless they are selling for $17+8 [13:53]
mjr_ no...you are paying $17 (i bought the right to buy a bitcoin for $17) and I paid $8 for that right [13:54]
knotwork so the $17 strike options price was $8.30 per coin for the option? [13:54]
mircea_popescu take O.BTCUSD.P350T. you can sell it now for 0.43102778 [13:54]
mjr_ around there [13:54]
mircea_popescu if btc goes to 36 it's worth 0 [13:54]
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mircea_popescu and so you made 0.43 btc PER [13:54]
knotwork or I guess, paid $8 and had an additional fee for the exchange of $0.30 [13:54]
mjr_ nah, i was doing rough estimate [13:55]
mjr_ i paid... [13:55]
mjr_ 0.33832578 bitcoins for that option [13:55]
mjr_ which adds in the extra wrinkle of how do i calculate what i paid for the option [13:55]
mjr_ do i calculate my average cost of bitcoins, the price at the time of purchase, or the price when i exercise.... [13:56]
mircea_popescu mjr_ well you have to decide if you keep books in btc or not [13:56]
mjr_ yeah. it is mainly an accounting decision [13:56]
mircea_popescu first off [13:56]
mircea_popescu and yes it is. [13:56]
BitHub i do it at time of purchase mjr [13:56]
mircea_popescu that yields a consolidated sort of gain [13:57]
mircea_popescu (value of decision to buy btc + value of decision to buy option) together [13:57]
mjr_ yeah [13:58]
mjr_ that makes sense [13:58]
BitHub i just write the amount of btc and the amount and the total amount i paid for it at the time. [13:58]
mjr_ i have to translate back to USD unfortunately [13:58]
mjr_ because that is how you show ridiculous gains against a failing dollar [13:58]
BitHub example 50 btc 1000 aud [13:58]
BitHub at the time or purchase [13:59]
BitHub of [13:59]
mircea_popescu mjr_ the excruciatingly precise way to do it would be to keep separate accounts. [13:59]
mjr_ k [13:59]
mircea_popescu then do vwap price when you buy, actual price you bought at [13:59]
mjr_ yeah true [13:59]
mircea_popescu then when you do options value btc in then-current vwap and add difference to acct [13:59]
mircea_popescu etc [13:59]
mjr_ ugh, i was an accounting major, but i don't do that now because it aint fun [13:59]
BitHub keep it in fiat figures [14:00]
BitHub easier [14:00]
mircea_popescu you end up with an account plan doing a. btc buying slippage gain/loss ; b. overtime btc gain/loss ; c. option entry/exit gain/loss [14:00]
knotwork how much were bitcoins price when people paid $8 for option to buy them for $17 ? [14:00]
mircea_popescu so 3 accounts [14:00]
mjr_ yeah [14:00]
mjr_ i believe when i bought the option bitcoin was around $24/1btc [14:00]
mjr_ but even so...this is a matter of precision... [14:01]
mircea_popescu indeed. [14:01]
mjr_ i think it will hit 30 by the end of the month (last friday) [14:01]
mircea_popescu back when btc was about 14/each an option struck at 15 would have cost about .15 btc say, roughly, so like 2 dollars. [14:01]
mjr_ so i am just quibbling over how much percent i will make lol [14:01]
mircea_popescu now it's worth 10 bucks each, +400% [14:01]
knotwork so at buying coin for $17 at that moment woud only have cost you $7 (over the 17) instead of the 8 you paid for mere option? [14:02]
mjr_ you can even do it as a constantly changing variable [14:02]
mircea_popescu knotwork yes. [14:02]
mircea_popescu options contain a premium obviously. being options. [14:02]
knotwork weird so why not just buy the damn coin instead of the option? [14:02]
mircea_popescu because if they go down you lose. [14:03]
mircea_popescu he paid the extra whatever , 50 cents, a dollar, to insure his 17 capital out of the 24 against the possibility of loss [14:03]
mircea_popescu if you buy 1 btc at 24, then you risk 24. if you buy 1 btc synthetically via an option at 8, you risk only the 8. [14:04]
mjr_ like profit = current exchange price - (strike + cost of option at current exchange) [14:04]
knotwork ok, and seller gets $8 instead of 7 but faces loss if they go down instead of up [14:04]
mircea_popescu yup [14:04]
mircea_popescu so in this sense it can work as leverage, even as high as 10`000% [14:04]
mircea_popescu which is why people were lolling at people who lost their stuff in bitcoinica. [14:05]
knotwork but with options the guy you sell them to is going to exercise them at just the worst moment for the seller [14:05]
mircea_popescu possibly. [14:06]
knotwork whereas owning the coins you dont care if they go down if you "know" its just a matter of time before they go back up, aks that the momentary down is just momentary [14:06]
knotwork with options that momentary down is where buyer will nail you [14:06]
mircea_popescu it does use the 24 hour avg price tho [14:06]
mircea_popescu so it has to be really down not just spot down [14:06]
knotwork so buyer just needs to manipulate the oracle into reportying a momentary low and exercise [14:07]
mircea_popescu and in any event it's better than bitcoinica-style forced liquidation event. [14:07]
mjr_ also [14:07]
knotwork oh ok average helps make oracle resistant to maniulating to some extent [14:07]
mircea_popescu kinda hard to manipulate the 24 hour average. [14:07]
mjr_ they may not exercise when it's worst [14:07]
mjr_ since they can't kinow that [14:07]
mircea_popescu yeah, they may think it will go even lower. [14:07]
mjr_ if i could pick bottoms and tops, i would be a billionaire [14:07]
knotwork oh right [14:07]
mircea_popescu exactly. it's a market after all. [14:07]
mircea_popescu they can't go retroactively and say i buy here i sell there [14:08]
mjr_ yeah, more than likely, they will wait and if it turns around they will exercise there [14:08]
mjr_ missing a little profit [14:08]
mircea_popescu mjr_ and THEN it collapses [14:08]
mircea_popescu lol [14:08]
mircea_popescu and they kick themselves [14:08]
mircea_popescu this channel log is full of such adventures [14:08]
mjr_ lol true [14:08]
mircea_popescu not just optiopns, stocks too etc. [14:08]
mjr_ look at apple [14:08]
mircea_popescu yah [14:08]
mircea_popescu market is market. [14:08]
mjr_ that is a perfect example of not being able to find tops or bottoms [14:09]
mjr_ some peple sold apple at $25 and thought they were genius's [14:09]
mjr_ others bought at 699 thinking it couldn't go down [14:09]
mircea_popescu lol [14:09]
mjr_ the market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent [14:09]
mircea_popescu that's not actually true. for instance all of asicminer is like 50-100k btc. [14:10]
mjr_ anyways, with my call, which is my favorite single legged strategy, i will prob just let it auto exercise at the end of the month [14:10]
mircea_popescu it can't outsolventize me. [14:10]
mircea_popescu however, this is the #1 risk i face. one day it will be the case, and ima try not to get fucked then. [14:10]
mjr_ that is true [14:10]
mjr_ yeah [14:10]
knotwork by selling the right kind(s) of options can you ensure you never actually lose what you had, worst loss you could have is just not making as much as you might have if if you hadnt sold those options? [14:10]
mjr_ but what i said earlier is the reason why "martingaling" doesn't work over the long run [14:10]
mircea_popescu knotwork you can lock profits in. [14:10]
mjr_ yes, or protect against big downsides [14:11]
mircea_popescu say you bought calls and they are now up. you can buy puts and pretty much lock it. [14:11]
mjr_ yes true [14:11]
mircea_popescu or if you sold puts short, you can sell calls too [14:11]
mircea_popescu or buy them back [14:11]
mjr_ strangle/straddle [14:11]
mircea_popescu it's really very complex/flexible [14:11]
mjr_ yep, but options strategies are my favorite [14:11]
mircea_popescu the only thing is, it needs thinking [14:11]
mircea_popescu unlike forexy things where you just mash the buy/sell buttons [14:11]
mjr_ it's just hard when pretty much i think "it's going up" [14:11]
mircea_popescu you need a strategy here [14:11]
mjr_ well...aren't there options on currency? [14:12]
mircea_popescu surely. [14:12]
knotwork yeah nice thing about just holding one's coins indefinitely is it doesnt need much/any thought [14:12]
mircea_popescu most retail plays forex (and gets scammed) [14:12]
mircea_popescu most serious investors do options [14:12]
mircea_popescu (like buffett etc) [14:12]
mircea_popescu knotwork very true. [14:12]
mjr_ yes, i would definitely sell calls on the US dollar [14:12]
knotwork they went down from $32 but lately its finally looking like they are recovering [14:12]
mjr_ with a far out enough expiration date [14:12]
mircea_popescu mjr_ selling calls on the usd or buying calls on the btc are very similar i think [14:12]
mjr_ exactly [14:13]
mjr_ you can describe my positoin as bearish us dollar, or bullish bitcoin [14:13]
knotwork I missed opportunities I could have in theory got by selling high and buying back in low but I could not be sure there would ever be a low to buy back in at [14:13]
mjr_ it is more bullish bitcoin than anything [14:13]
mircea_popescu still some decoupling, but as btc mkt cap increases there will be less and less. [14:13]
mircea_popescu knotwork exactly. [14:13]
mjr_ you can conceivably make money still just by market making and arbing different exchanges [14:13]
mjr_ especially very early in the morning or late at night [14:13]
mjr_ (though i realize it is global) [14:14]
pigeons early morning/late at night where? [14:14]
mircea_popescu new york. he does have sorta a point [14:14]
mjr_ yes...mostly US and europe i would guess [14:14]
mjr_ i mean...i was watching around 3am NYC [14:14]
mjr_ you could still scoop up btc for under 25 on camp bx [14:14]
pigeons how many though [14:14]
mjr_ eh, like 10 btc under 25 [14:15]
mircea_popescu i think arbing the fiat exchanges is more work than it's worth. [14:15]
mjr_ they are already taken [14:15]
mjr_ i agree [14:15]
mircea_popescu i mean, take the havelock/mpex s.dice difference. [14:15]
mjr_ not enough volatitliy and razor thin margins cuz of transferring money back and forth [14:15]
mircea_popescu there's like, what, 3-4 btc worth to be made arbing that ? [14:15]
mircea_popescu i doubt there's 100 bux to be made working campbx/stamp/mtgox/w/e [14:15]
pigeons yeah i see high prices at havelock, then i look at the order size, right [14:16]
mjr_ depends [14:16]
mjr_ if its a bot... [14:16]
mircea_popescu pigeons yest like 28 lots sold at 76 [14:16]
Diablo-D3 http://www.digitaltrends.com/web/virtual-bitcoins-can-now-be-traded-for-dominos-pizza/ [14:16]
mircea_popescu i think book is deceptive, as btc ppl are very impatient. [14:16]
pigeons at dominos? cause i used jjjrmy's bitpizza in 2011 [14:16]
mjr_ yeah, well, i mostly use the strategies i've said to try to get as long as possible, for as little money as possible [14:18]
knotwork yeah that is what I'd like to be able to do [14:19]
mjr_ so if i can scoop up cheap coins on camp bx, or bitfloor, i would, simply cuz i plan on holding them [14:19]
mjr_ only problem is you multiply CP risk [14:19]
knotwork kind of abstractly using my increased riches to buy more bitcoins, without actually spending my bitcoins to do so since they *are* my riches [14:19]
mjr_ and you have way more accounting to do [14:19]
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Bugpowder still no assbot [14:20]
mircea_popescu sucks. [14:20]
mircea_popescu i wonder what the trouble is [14:20]
knotwork shorting something else to buy bitcoins might be best maybe, such as borrow some other type of coin using bitcoins as colalteral, and sell what you borrow to buy more bitcoins to use as more collateral etc [14:21]
Bugpowder bubbletalk [14:21]
mircea_popescu knotwork that's very dangerous. [14:22]
knotwork that worked great with devcoins for a while but now devcoins are so crazy cheap its looking dangerous that they might go back up before you pay back the loan [14:22]
knotwork now instead its time to buy all those cheap devcoins to pay back the loans [14:22]
knotwork and maybe borrow some other coin that seems overpriced or at least not at a crazy low [14:22]
ThickerThanThiev that pizza article made it to BBC too [14:23]
ThickerThanThiev http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21427505 [14:23]
knotwork borrowing is always dangerous but particularly so for things there arent many of [14:23]
mircea_popescu yup [14:23]
knotwork as you could end up trapped owing something that you cannot get hold of or not at decent price [14:23]
pigeons pizza was the first useful thing you could buy with bitoin [14:24]
Bugpowder ;;asks 29 [14:24]
gribble There are currently 9937.51 bitcoins offered at or under 29.0 USD, worth 266608.244608 USD in total. [14:24]
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jurov ;;ticker [14:27]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 25.31000, Best ask: 25.40000, Bid-ask spread: 0.09000, Last trade: 25.31000, 24 hour volume: 44738.61190480, 24 hour low: 23.64560, 24 hour high: 25.75000, 24 hour vwap: 24.61882 [14:27]
jurov lol this is insane... just few hours ago i cashed out a bit at 24.21 [14:27]
pigeons nuts [14:28]
JWU42 ;;asks 30 [14:29]
gribble There are currently 17410.07 bitcoins offered at or under 30.0 USD, worth 488875.899895 USD in total. [14:29]
* jurov shrugs and confirms sepa withdrawal [14:29]
mircea_popescu jurov i sold 200 btc's worth specifically to rebuy once price tanks back to 20. [14:29]
mircea_popescu so far im losing on that idea. [14:29]
jurov i have my parents lined up for buying btcs if that happens [14:30]
knotwork cashing out at anything less than $100 is more a daytrader thing or a desperately need the cash thing really [14:30]
JWU42 =) [14:30]
JWU42 knotwork: huh? [14:30]
knotwork tho likely by time it hits $100 that'd have to be changed to "anything less than $150" [14:30]
jurov ^exactly [14:31]
JWU42 so - BTC gets to $95 in 5 years [14:31]
jurov or in 5 months [14:31]
Bugpowder dat bubble [14:31]
JWU42 and then something goes batshit bad and BTC goes back to $.01 [14:31]
knotwork JWU42 daytrader as in hoping it will dip sometime so you can buy back in cheaper [14:31]
mircea_popescu knotwork i was trying to play teh daytrader what can i tel lyou. [14:31]
JWU42 you lose EVERYTHING [14:31]
JWU42 on paper [14:31]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder ikr? [14:31]
pigeons if it was .01 i could buy them all [14:31]
Bugpowder its fun [14:32]
Bugpowder i love bubbles [14:32]
Bugpowder reminds me of DNDN [14:32]
JWU42 well - the only reason it goes to $.01 is that the project is effectively dead and broken [14:32]
mircea_popescu all bitcoins in the world for 100k ? sure, i'll take em [14:32]
mircea_popescu JWU42 100k is inconsequential irl anyway [14:32]
JWU42 and for some those odds might be worth it [14:32]
Bugpowder it will never go to .01 [14:33]
JWU42 mircea_popescu: for some people 100K is currently 5x their lifetime savings [14:33]
pigeons ;;totalbc [14:33]
gribble 10770225.0 [14:33]
Bugpowder maybe 1 if SHTM [14:33]
Bugpowder SHTF [14:33]
knotwork next time it goes toward $2 it likely wont even get there [14:33]
JWU42 and that is a growing % of people in the US [14:33]
jurov lol i'm looking up the usd/eur rate at bitstamp's bank... and usd isn't there [14:33]
jurov so it's here... usd not valid anymore [14:33]
pigeons heh [14:33]
JWU42 no real equity appreciation in a dozen years [14:33]
mircea_popescu ya well JWU42 , some people have no business doing btc megaplays either. [14:33]
Bugpowder https://www.bitstamp.net/market/order_book/ [14:33]
JWU42 mega is the key word there [14:33]
JWU42 ;) [14:33]
mircea_popescu indeed [14:34]
JWU42 as the saying goes - pigs get slaughtered [14:34]
mircea_popescu if 100k is 5x your life savinfgs you obviously have no place dicking around b uying internet funny moneys for 100k [14:34]
JWU42 waiting to sell anything until $100 is, to me, piggish [14:34]
knotwork its looking likely now that lots of folks will think we are finally recovering to our $32 we were at back before all those hacks hit the fans [14:34]
JWU42 true there MP [14:34]
knotwork so I would not be surprised to see it go to $32 shortly then think about whether to bubble or just gloat a while before continuing up [14:35]
JWU42 I thought we would stop at 20 [14:35]
mircea_popescu i think many people are psychologically invested in passing the bubble [14:35]
JWU42 http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD/accumulated_orderbook.png [14:35]
JWU42 still favorable [14:36]
knotwork (by whether to bubble I mean whether to shoot on up more, not whether to "burst") [14:36]
mircea_popescu so 30-35 is more a reasonable next plateau i guess [14:36]
ThickerThanThiev I think there are more and more people putting a portion of the their weekly paycheck into BTC [14:36]
JWU42 I am selling about 5% at these levels [14:36]
ThickerThanThiev propping it up higher and higher [14:36]
mircea_popescu BTC prices have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau. I do not feel there will be soon if ever a 50 or 60 point break from present levels, such as (bears) have predicted. I expect to see the BTC market a good deal higher within a few months. [14:36]
mircea_popescu there, i jinxed it. [14:37]
knotwork yes I think so, if it keeps shooting up as fast when it passes $32 I'll start to think its likely to burst back down to $25 to 32 range [14:37]
mircea_popescu http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_01/seymour062001.html there's more famous quotes. [14:37]
knotwork seems likely at $32 people will worry that higher might be "just a bubble", and of course some folk will be already thinking it *is* a bubble, so likely should slow the climb around there [14:38]
ThickerThanThiev just the fact that we're noting $32 means it's obv people will get skittish at that point [14:39]
Bugpowder nah [14:39]
Bugpowder this move will violently reverse [14:39]
Bugpowder at some point [14:39]
knotwork yeah its a famous high imaged to have been a bubble [14:39]
Bugpowder retrace 25-50% [14:39]
Bugpowder bounce [14:40]
Bugpowder resettle [14:40]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder there's not really that much btc on the market. [14:40]
Bugpowder who knows how high [14:40]
mircea_popescu your modelling assumes 50-70% of btc moves. [14:40]
mircea_popescu the reality is closer to 5-7%. certainly under 1/4 [14:40]
knotwork I dont think $32 was really a bubble at all but saying it was plus all the hacks forced it into being one, self fulfilling prophecy [14:40]
knotwork I thought $32 was just people realising the potential and pricing it in [14:41]
Bugpowder There will be a lot of BTC on the market when the price falls 20% and stays down for more than an hour. [14:41]
Bugpowder waterfalllll [14:41]
mircea_popescu this is why price moves so much : fiat side can increase 1000% in two weeks on account of very small basis (in fiat terms) [14:41]
pigeons jurov: https://twitter.com/Bitstamp/status/300947007957237760 [14:41]
mircea_popescu btc side can only move very little to absorb that [14:41]
mircea_popescu so price compensates. [14:41]
knotwork ever since I have figured it is fundamentally worth more than $32 or at least $32 [14:41]
Bugpowder to think otherwise is classic bubble delishion [14:41]
mircea_popescu and no, either side. people don't sell. [14:41]
Bugpowder delusion [14:41]
mircea_popescu perhaps. [14:41]
jurov pigeons i know, but i'm doing withdrawal not deposit [14:41]
jurov if i don't receive it in 2 days i'll let you know [14:42]
mircea_popescu ima write this up, brb [14:42]
jurov and cross another exchange out of my list [14:42]
knotwork if it falls 20% and stays down more than an hour people will be running to get more bucks to exhcanges to buy those cheap coins [14:42]
ThickerThanThiev i dont think people are as liquid as that [14:43]
ThickerThanThiev "running to get more bucks" [14:43]
jurov i'm considering to use this panic to sell bitstamp usd codes :D [14:43]
jurov if that happens [14:43]
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jurov or i'll go by car to slovenia to deposit first lol [14:46]
kakobreklaa hmm [14:47]
kakobreklaa want to buy bitstamp code? [14:47]
jurov not atm, just phantasizing [14:47]
jurov over my after-good-lunch coffee [14:48]
kakobreklaa maybe there is money to be made here [14:49]
kakobreklaa i have my deposits processed same day if im early enough [14:49]
jurov kakobreklaa, you have a clue why unicredit bank has no usd rate published? [14:49]
kakobreklaa no clue [14:49]
kakobreklaa i never checked it there [14:50]
jurov http://www.unicreditbank.si/tecajna_lista/?t=1&id_menu=&language=ENG [14:50]
kakobreklaa its not too far from what google will say regarding eur usd ratio [14:50]
kakobreklaa lol [14:50]
kakobreklaa silly [14:50]
jurov i know, just i tried to find it for like 15 seconds in vain [14:50]
knotwork wow it dipped below $25, buy buy buy! :) [14:50]
pigeons the bubble is over! it's going to .02 [14:51]
jurov ;;ticker [14:51]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 24.97000, Best ask: 25.07000, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 25.07000, 24 hour volume: 47520.26271140, 24 hour low: 23.64560, 24 hour high: 25.75000, 24 hour vwap: 24.64565 [14:51]
jurov perhaps market got aware that mp is cashing out [14:52]
jurov :D [14:52]
kakobreklaa mp is cashing out!? [14:52]
kakobreklaa is it april 1st? [14:52]
* Ukto cashes kakobreklaa out [14:52]
jurov [13:29] jurov i sold 200 btc's worth specifically to rebuy once price tanks back to 20. [14:52]
jurov [13:29] so far im losing on that idea. [14:53]
kakobreklaa impossibru! [14:53]
Ukto heh, its gonna hit 30 [14:53]
Ukto promise [14:53]
Ukto too much money still flowing in [14:53]
jurov it's like bernanke saying he'll change 2k usd to euros. market would panic. [14:53]
knotwork finally all the MP-haters can strike back, just keep buying to prevent it ever going down to 20! [14:53]
mircea_popescu lol [14:54]
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Ukto mircea_popescu: HAHA YOU FUCKED UP FINALLY. j/k :P [14:54]
knotwork yeah nice psywar move MP [14:54]
mircea_popescu what can i say, i don't shit gold [14:54]
Ukto damn it, why not [14:54]
knotwork hahaha made MP miss out on $1000 by making hs remaining holdngs go up 20+ percent hahaha [14:55]
pigeons why would he waste his time thinking about such a paltry sum as 200 btc? [14:55]
Ukto is this even a serious conversation? lol [14:55]
* Ukto is going back to being ill now. :P [14:55]
pigeons ok time to get serious, we're making Ukto sick [14:56]
jurov i was not serious (just to stay clear) [14:56]
pigeons i'm usually about half-serious/half-joking as a hedge [14:57]
jurov humour hedging? what did the world came to [14:58]
Ukto pigeons: wanna trade options on humor? [14:58]
jurov what will be next? drama futures? [14:58]
Ukto dont we already have that? [14:58]
pigeons well i used to joke on margin, that didn't turn out well [14:58]
Ukto afk [14:58]
jurov Ukto, let's create me CoinBr.Drama-E and CoinBr.Drama-E on bf [14:59]
jurov *CoinBr.Drama-O [14:59]
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mircea_popescu ;;later tell bugpowder here you go : http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/ [15:20]
gribble The operation succeeded. [15:20]
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mircea_popescu dude don't tell me my 200 btc comment crashed it ?! [15:21]
mircea_popescu you ppl gotta stop listening to me srsly. [15:21]
wao :D [15:22]
wao mircea_popescu: url [15:22]
mircea_popescu wao hm ? [15:23]
wao for your 200 btc comment o_O [15:23]
mircea_popescu its in the log above neh ? [15:24]
DeadWeasel did you break IRC with your inflammatory comments? [15:25]
mircea_popescu i ruined everything!!1 [15:27]
knotwork " Two billion dollars divided by 600`000 Bitcoins comes to three thousand dollars and chance per Bitcoin." --> s/chance/change/ ??? [15:27]
mircea_popescu oty [15:28]
knotwork "Neutral and unengaded governments win" --> s/unengaded/unengaged/ ??? [15:29]
knotwork "forget all about the Youkon gold rush sometime" --> s/Youcon/Yukon/ ??? Or is you con a deliberate pun? [15:31]
knotwork oops I meant s/Youkon/Yukon/ [15:32]
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mircea_popescu hehe the youkon is a joke ya [15:34]
DeadWeasel where are these atrocious spelling and grammar mistakes coming from? [15:36]
DeadWeasel mircea_popescu: probably your site, you gotta start proofreading. :) [15:37]
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TomServo unengaded = unengaged? [15:38]
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TomServo oops, didn't see it had been mentioned - apologies. [15:41]
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DeadWeasel africans could actually use this, cos most of them are landless, addressesless. Course the don't have any money either. [15:55]
DeadWeasel ahahahahahahahha. they kicked all the whites out and 5 years later they are starving. [16:00]
DeadWeasel they can't manage their resources [16:00]
Diablo-D3 >yukon gold [16:01]
Diablo-D3 mmm potatoes [16:01]
Diablo-D3 >every1 [16:01]
Diablo-D3 >stupid [16:01]
Diablo-D3 truffles is an african [16:02]
DeadWeasel no way, my step brother is south african. he has a great business. [16:02]
Diablo-D3 DeadWeasel: but is he black? [16:02]
DeadWeasel sorry, brother in law, i'm a little retarded today myself. [16:02]
DeadWeasel nope. [16:02]
DeadWeasel but he's south african. [16:02]
Diablo-D3 I can think of at least two south africans who made it big... but they're white [16:02]
DeadWeasel i'll ask next time I see him. [16:03]
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Diablo-D3 they have no resources to manage [16:04]
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Diablo-D3 mining? oil? businesses owned by white men. [16:05]
Diablo-D3 and the coffee industry is also ran by white men [16:05]
Diablo-D3 I dont blame for most of africa hating people just because they're white [16:05]
Diablo-D3 they see the color of your skin and know you're evil because thats all they've ever seen [16:06]
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mircea_popescu DeadWeasel i crowdsource proofreading :D [16:07]
Diablo-D3 colonial powers ARE white [16:07]
Bugpowdurr Japan was a colonial power [16:08]
Diablo-D3 japan was an imperial power [16:09]
Diablo-D3 THEY had colonies [16:09]
mircea_popescu costa rica is a colonial power [16:10]
mircea_popescu it has colones [16:10]
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error4733 he is just a tech [16:20]
error4733 good luck with that [16:20]
BitHub anyone selling any asicminer shares? [16:21]
BitHub transfer them to my email adress? [16:21]
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mircea_popescu i imagine the pain and horror of unwinding all these asicminer assignment transactions will create the profession of btclawyer [16:22]
BitHub i know :/ [16:23]
BitHub its a bit risky [16:23]
BitHub but i need to feed my fams [16:23]
mircea_popescu hey, nothing wrong with having that profession around [16:24]
mircea_popescu i was trying to push for it with the rota, but as long as it gets made somehow it's all good. [16:24]
BitHub i would actually pay for that service atm [16:24]
BitHub i made a donation to bitcoin-legal.org before [16:24]
BitHub could be good [16:24]
ThickerThanThiev bithub, what would you use a bitlawyer for now? [16:25]
BitHub just to help me in relation to australian small business law [16:25]
BitHub in terms of licences, staying legal, AML and AT compliyant etc [16:26]
BitHub company structure [16:26]
Bugpowdurr Well if anyone has a recommendation for a US based CPA that gets bitcoin and can issue recommendations, I am all ears. [16:27]
mircea_popescu Bugpowdurr possibly smickles once he gets his reg [16:28]
Bugpowdurr heh [16:28]
Bugpowdurr Probably going for someone more established [16:28]
mircea_popescu it'd be pretty cool if some big name cpa started taking btc [16:32]
mircea_popescu much more important than wikipedia/worpress/whatnot [16:32]
BitHub must be doable to outsource a cpa somewhere and pay them in btc [16:33]
BitHub same with a lawyer [16:33]
pigeons http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=la&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.loremipsum.net%2F [16:33]
BitHub these are probably things the bitcoin foundation should be working on [16:34]
DeadWeasel I just got offered a permenent position at my contract job. [16:34]
DeadWeasel wooooo forme. [16:34]
DeadWeasel and I spent most of my time talking on here and looking at bitcointalk. [16:34]
pigeons DeadWeasel: its a trap [16:34]
DeadWeasel i know it is pigeons [16:34]
DeadWeasel but this is a right to work state and I can leave anytime. [16:35]
mircea_popescu interesting what right to work ends up meaning [16:35]
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mircea_popescu http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/acc/3604579148.html loller [16:39]
ThickerThanThiev not the worst idea... [16:40]
ThickerThanThiev (for the scammer) [16:40]
mircea_popescu "I actually recommended a disabled guy with a limited government social income to use some of his last savings to buy 3 units from this guy." [16:42]
mircea_popescu the stuff btcrtalk people do ... [16:42]
mircea_popescu it's unconscionable. the badmouth mpex on the grounds of it being too good for them and saying so, [16:43]
mircea_popescu they push disabled people into sending their last savings to scammers. [16:43]
mircea_popescu it's a wonder that thing doesn't explode already. [16:43]
DeadWeasel i use an ssh tunnel into my home machine through PUtty, and use IRSSI, it looks like a data sync. [16:44]
DeadWeasel I have several command windows open and this one just blends in [16:44]
DeadWeasel plus I use screen and can switch this one to another command window doing something legit [16:45]
iz ctrl-a, ctrl-a, the boss is coming [16:46]
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DeadWeasel they are welcome to. [16:57]
DeadWeasel I have delays where I"m waiting for builds or loaders, so I do as I please. [16:57]
jcpham where is the new drama [16:59]
DeadWeasel ;;slap jcpham [17:05]
* gribble slaps jcpham with a urbane cast [17:05]
DeadWeasel there it is. [17:06]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [17:12]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 25.32002, Best ask: 25.40000, Bid-ask spread: 0.07998, Last trade: 25.32001, 24 hour volume: 51237.14840373, 24 hour low: 23.67740, 24 hour high: 25.75000, 24 hour vwap: 24.74607 [17:12]
DeadWeasel ;;bc,24hprc [17:13]
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gribble 24.71 [17:14]
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Diablo-D3 Im going to see how much it costs to start an LLC in Maine [17:22]
Diablo-D3 its probably more than I have, though [17:22]
BitHub 400? [17:22]
mircea_popescu should be like a hundred or w/e [17:25]
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Chaang-Noi xrp? [17:37]
Chaang-Noi d3 why? [17:38]
Diablo-D3 why what? [17:44]
coingenuity Diablo-D3: $85 [17:47]
coingenuity also, why maine of all places [17:47]
Diablo-D3 because maine needs the money the most of all places [17:47]
Diablo-D3 its also better to register in the state that you have your physical assets in [17:47]
Diablo-D3 makes it easier to make the state go your way [17:47]
pigeons prolly vice versa as well [17:48]
Diablo-D3 maine also has very cheap very cold land [17:48]
Chaang-Noi why do you need a llc d3? [17:50]
pigeons to limit his liability [17:50]
Chaang-Noi glbse should have made a llc, but many other btc operations, but you dont just make one cuz... [17:50]
Diablo-D3 Chaang-Noi: because thats the norm for technology startups [17:51]
Chaang-Noi liabibility to what is what im trying to ask pigeons [17:51]
Chaang-Noi d3 do you have a tech start up? [17:51]
Diablo-D3 you know I do [17:51]
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Chaang-Noi i thought your company was dead? [17:53]
Chaang-Noi iv not been around [17:53]
Chaang-Noi is it back alive? [17:53]
Diablo-D3 Chaang-Noi: it never died [17:55]
Diablo-D3 Im just cleaning up the mess nefario caused [17:55]
Chaang-Noi ok [17:55]
Diablo-D3 its taking longer than I wished, but the sooner all of this gets going the better [17:55]
Chaang-Noi ok [17:56]
Chaang-Noi best of luck [17:56]
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Chaang-Noi ;;ticker [18:07]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 25.41225, Best ask: 25.45500, Bid-ask spread: 0.04275, Last trade: 25.41225, 24 hour volume: 51819.99065886, 24 hour low: 23.67740, 24 hour high: 25.75000, 24 hour vwap: 24.77514 [18:07]
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gribble 1 BTC = 25.31971 U.S. dollars = 18.8418738 Euros [18:36]
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Bugpowdurr takes a lot of $$$ to move the market now [18:38]
Bugpowdurr not a lot of BTC though [18:38]
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iz so.. i figure ppl in here understand foreign currencies pretty well also, so i'll ask here.. why is the yen moving now? [18:51]
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DeadWeasel you know a lot about africans [19:00]
Bugpowdurr iz, Nuke Test [19:02]
Bugpowdurr maybe [19:02]
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asa1024 abe told BOJ to print yen to boost their stock market I had read. [19:04]
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DeadWeasel bugpowder, you should start a tea company. BudPowder tea. with different bugpowder flavors [19:04]
asa1024 check zero hedge for moar [19:04]
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Bugpowdurr byebye 25.60 [19:05]
iz it was happening before the nuke test [19:05]
Bugpowdurr where is the assbot [19:06]
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Bugpowdurr ;;ticker [19:07]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 25.60888, Best ask: 25.64999, Bid-ask spread: 0.04111, Last trade: 25.65000, 24 hour volume: 55047.39682831, 24 hour low: 23.84590, 24 hour high: 25.75000, 24 hour vwap: 24.85482 [19:07]
Bugpowdurr YAH! [19:07]
Bugpowdurr assbot is back! [19:07]
Bugpowdurr !ticker m s.mpoe [19:07]
assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00062608 / 0.00064414 / 0.00066029 (2741845 shares, 1,766.15 BTC), 7D: 0.0006153 / 0.00066649 / 0.0007 (21474701 shares, 14,312.79 BTC), 30D: 0.00059445 / 0.00066292 / 0.0007 (75430667 shares, 50,004.63 BTC) [19:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.0006556 = 4.2286 BTC [-] [19:07]
Lucidize Is there any chance of Obsi making some kind of magical payback? Any news on him? [19:10]
asa1024 The pope lutheran? [19:11]
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error4733 !ticker m s.dice [19:16]
assbot [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00598091 / 0.00608437 / 0.00620694 (7895 shares, 48.04 BTC), 7D: 0.004321 / 0.00608305 / 0.00689996 (3348531 shares, 20,369.28 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.00557377 / 0.0075 (8343729 shares, 46,506.07 BTC) [19:16]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.0006556 = 3.1141 BTC [-] [19:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14024 @ 0.00065566 = 9.195 BTC [+] [19:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5530 @ 0.00065343 = 3.6135 BTC [-] [19:20]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9376 @ 0.00065343 = 6.1266 BTC [-] [19:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4026 @ 0.00065566 = 2.6397 BTC [+] [19:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7040 @ 0.00066029 = 4.6484 BTC [+] [19:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3708 @ 0.0006604 = 2.4488 BTC [+] [19:22]
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Bugpowdurr yeah [19:26]
Bugpowdurr S.MPOE up to .00066 [19:26]
Bugpowdurr lets hope so [19:37]
imsaguy lets hope it remains stable [19:38]
imsaguy drastic spikes will all but certainly lead to drastic drops [19:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7989 @ 0.00064622 = 5.1627 BTC [-] [19:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00064551 = 8.5207 BTC [-] [19:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20897 @ 0.00065178 = 13.6202 BTC [+] [19:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4357 @ 0.00063748 = 2.7775 BTC [-] [19:39]
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Bugpowdurr yeah [19:43]
Bugpowdurr volatility is great! [19:43]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00065069 = 9.6302 BTC [+] [19:48]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1700 @ 0.00620694 = 10.5518 BTC [+] [19:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00624361 = 6.2436 BTC [+] [19:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00624362 = 3.1218 BTC [+] [19:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 10000 @ 0.0063 = 63 BTC [+] [19:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00635293 = 3.1765 BTC [+] [20:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.0063999 = 3.2 BTC [+] [20:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4000 @ 0.0063999 = 25.5996 BTC [+] [20:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3800 @ 0.0064 = 24.32 BTC [+] [20:00]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065037 = 2.8102 BTC [-] [20:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5879 @ 0.00065046 = 3.8241 BTC [+] [20:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] 500 @ 0.00194985 = 0.9749 BTC [+] [20:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] 500 @ 0.00194986 = 0.9749 BTC [+] [20:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] 2300 @ 0.00195 = 4.485 BTC [+] [20:02]
jurov EskimoBob, then why people were again and again sticking to use hyperinflating currencies to do payments irl? [20:03]
Bugpowdurr for fuch sake [20:03]
Bugpowdurr S.BBET for .00195 [20:03]
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Bugpowdurr are people insane? [20:03]
jurov bitcoin is nowhere near such volatility [20:03]
Bugpowdurr ;;calc https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=2/3000000/.00195&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 [20:04]
gribble Error: invalid syntax (, line 1) [20:04]
mod6 Bugpowdurr: people said the same thing when S.MPOE hit .00015 [20:04]
Bugpowdurr ;;calc 2/3000000/.00195 [20:04]
gribble 0.00034188034188 [20:04]
Bugpowdurr 0.03% dividend [20:05]
Bugpowdurr noice [20:05]
mod6 lol, its been like 1 month man. [20:05]
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Bugpowdurr I guess I should have not sold :-P [20:05]
mod6 look at it this way, it wasn't a loss, and they covered the additional expenses, and STILL paid a ~2 BTC dividend [20:05]
mod6 in less then 1 month [20:05]
jurov ppl expect it to have similar revenue to sdice soon [20:06]
Bugpowdurr ppl are idiots [20:06]
Bugpowdurr there is zero chance of that happening [20:06]
Bugpowdurr unless S.DICE shuts down [20:06]
mod6 IPO was on Jan 11 [20:06]
jurov why not? [20:06]
ThickerThanThiev zero chance is a bit extreme [20:06]
Bugpowdurr well [20:06]
ThickerThanThiev it is a betting site after all [20:06]
mod6 S.DICE IPO was on Aug. 24 [20:06]
Bugpowdurr I also think S.DICE is overvalued ATM too [20:07]
Bugpowdurr probably looking at 4000 BTC / mo [20:07]
Bugpowdurr from here [20:07]
Bugpowdurr but [20:07]
Bugpowdurr hey, growth could occur. [20:07]
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jurov even with 4k/month sdice divs would be attractive [20:07]
Bugpowdurr ;;calc 4000/100000000/.0064 [20:08]
gribble 0.00625 [20:08]
Bugpowdurr 0.6% on something that could get DoJ'd? [20:08]
jurov ;;calc 0.00625*12 [20:08]
gribble 0.075 [20:08]
jurov 7.5% yearly... and how exactly it will get DoJ'd? [20:09]
ThickerThanThiev ^ [20:09]
Bugpowdurr Erik gets charged. [20:10]
jurov you mean domain seizure? like it worket in TPB's case? [20:10]
Bugpowdurr spooks the market [20:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064847 = 2.802 BTC [-] [20:10]
jurov last i checked tpb is alive and kicking [20:10]
Bugpowdurr panic sell [20:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6879 @ 0.00064844 = 4.4606 BTC [-] [20:10]
Bugpowdurr down to .001 [20:10]
Bugpowdurr that's how I imagine it might go. [20:10]
jurov Bugpowdurr then you'll stop bitching about the price i hope [20:10]
Bugpowdurr lol [20:10]
ThickerThanThiev hehe [20:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 240 @ 0.006 = 1.44 BTC [-] [20:10]
Bugpowdurr Can you tell I sold all my S.BBET and S.DICE :) [20:11]
jcpham gigavps: http://i.imgur.com/iltirS0.png fan finally died [20:14]
maximian I think any DOJ scenario is a ways off [20:14]
maximian They take their time investigating [20:14]
maximian however, Erik really should sell S.DICE well beforehand [20:14]
Bugpowdurr I agree its a ways off [20:15]
maximian sell it at 0.008 to some gaming concern in Gibraltar or Macau [20:15]
Bugpowdurr yeah [20:15]
ThickerThanThiev .008 seems low [20:16]
ThickerThanThiev .2 [20:16]
Bugpowdurr ;;calc .008*87000000*25 [20:16]
gribble 17400000 [20:16]
ThickerThanThiev 20mil [20:16]
Bugpowdurr yeah [20:16]
ThickerThanThiev (usd) [20:16]
Bugpowdurr uhhh [20:16]
Bugpowdurr I'd take that deal [20:16]
mircea_popescu Is there any chance of Obsi making some kind of magical payback? Any news on him? << nope. [20:16]
maximian I think 17.4M would be a fair price [20:17]
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maximian (USD) [20:17]
jurov fuck, why is my phone so hot and slowly charging? oh, left mtgoxlive open :/ [20:17]
maximian Great way for a big gaming co to get a quick presence in bitcoinland [20:17]
mircea_popescu maximian the thing is, once one of them figuresd it out, all do [20:18]
mircea_popescu so the only way is either it be ignored or else bidwar. [20:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6021 @ 0.00064844 = 3.9043 BTC [-] [20:18]
mircea_popescu if there's a bidwar anything under 100mn is a joke. [20:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5373 @ 0.00063749 = 3.4252 BTC [-] [20:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28093 @ 0.00063748 = 17.9087 BTC [-] [20:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4103 @ 0.00063683 = 2.6129 BTC [-] [20:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24610 @ 0.00063606 = 15.6534 BTC [-] [20:18]
maximian possibly [20:18]
maximian I wonder if evoorhees has put any thought into it [20:19]
* maximian summons evoorhees [20:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006503 = 2.8099 BTC [+] [20:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16718 @ 0.00065046 = 10.8744 BTC [+] [20:21]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065034 = 2.8101 BTC [-] [20:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1407 @ 0.00065046 = 0.9152 BTC [+] [20:32]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.0006473 = 2.5568 BTC [-] [20:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064009 = 2.7658 BTC [-] [20:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11664 @ 0.00064008 = 7.4659 BTC [-] [20:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13301 @ 0.00063606 = 8.4602 BTC [-] [20:36]
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gigavps jcpham :( [20:42]
gigavps time for warranty replacement [20:43]
maximian So far this month, S.DICE has earned 6644 BTC as far as I can tell by dooglus' reports, which would imply ~16K profit for the month… does that seem right? [20:43]
mircea_popescu why would it imply 16k ? [20:44]
maximian just a simple projection [20:44]
mircea_popescu a [20:44]
mircea_popescu too spikey tho. it can go +x thousand in one day [20:45]
mircea_popescu or wallow for however long [20:45]
maximian yeah [20:45]
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maximian most of last month's revenue came really late in the month [20:45]
Pucilowski is there a transaction fee to trading on mpex? [20:46]
mircea_popescu ya but that was ny [20:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006416 = 2.7724 BTC [+] [20:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00064154 = 5.3248 BTC [-] [20:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4139 @ 0.00063606 = 2.6327 BTC [-] [20:46]
mircea_popescu o no, wait, im thinking of the other month [20:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 407 @ 0.00063526 = 0.2586 BTC [-] [20:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10933 @ 0.0006352 = 6.9446 BTC [-] [20:46]
mircea_popescu Pucilowski 0.2% seller side. [20:46]
Pucilowski i see, thanks [20:46]
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Bugpowdurr maximian, it implies 9k for the month [20:50]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00063723 = 2.7535 BTC [+] [20:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11936 @ 0.00063693 = 7.6024 BTC [-] [20:55]
mircea_popescu how did yo ufigure 9k ? [20:56]
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ThickerThanThiev more like 16k [20:58]
ThickerThanThiev but like you said, it could stay flat from here [20:59]
jurov nope. it's 120k [20:59]
ThickerThanThiev ? [20:59]
ThickerThanThiev sdice profit? [20:59]
jurov just joking [20:59]
ThickerThanThiev ah [21:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3861 @ 0.00063693 = 2.4592 BTC [-] [21:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8889 @ 0.0006352 = 5.6463 BTC [-] [21:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.0061 = 6.1 BTC [+] [21:00]
gribble 1 BTC = 25.57047 U.S. dollars = 19.1123926 Euros [21:00]
Bugpowdurr It will stay flat from here [21:02]
jurov did you actually bet? or just speaking in vain? [21:02]
jurov http://bitbet.us/bet/221/btc-usd-at-mtgox-will-stay-above-20-24-and/ [21:03]
Bugpowdurr I predict volume of ~2000 BTC / day for the rest of the month [21:03]
Bugpowdurr umm [21:03]
Bugpowdurr I mean [21:03]
Bugpowdurr 100-150BTC revenue a day for the rest of the month [21:04]
Bugpowdurr however, another spike of up to 3000BTC is possible. [21:04]
kakobreklaa ;;ticker [21:04]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 25.57047, Best ask: 25.60000, Bid-ask spread: 0.02953, Last trade: 25.60000, 24 hour volume: 56715.11409378, 24 hour low: 24.00600, 24 hour high: 25.80000, 24 hour vwap: 24.96823 [21:04]
Bugpowdurr beyond that, I think is unlikely. [21:04]
Bugpowdurr Due to the BTC remaining in the whale addresses. [21:04]
Bugpowdurr If those addresses get more coins, of course I will reevaluate my prediction and my S.DICE positioning. [21:05]
jurov i predict sunshine, snow or rain. anything beyond that is unlikely :D [21:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 670 @ 0.0061 = 4.087 BTC [+] [21:05]
Bugpowdurr but most likely outcome is 9k. [21:05]
mircea_popescu jesus the scams on bitcointalk never end [21:05]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=143552.0 [21:05]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8620 @ 0.00063414 = 5.4663 BTC [-] [21:06]
mircea_popescu used to be that picostocks thing had the cake of most brazen bullshit, but check out that shit. [21:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1400 @ 0.00612297 = 8.5722 BTC [+] [21:14]
jurov lmao btcjam thinks about "limiting number of active loans per user".. as if that would help anything [21:18]
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jurov and https://strikesapphire.com/ tells me "proxy detected - to ensure we don't accept users from jurisdictions where online gambling isn't allowed" [21:20]
jurov what a bs, whatever i have here on port 80 is fine with freenode proxy checker, but not for them [21:21]
iz lol [21:22]
iz freenode isn't taking your money for gambling [21:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.006399 = 6.399 BTC [+] [21:24]
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jurov but they do check rigorously for open proxies [21:27]
iz yeah, but that's for anti-spamming, not to cover their asses legally [21:28]
maximian bugpowder: I see. well, hopefully the whale comes back. He spoiled us for a while there! [21:28]
mircea_popescu !ticker m s.dice [21:28]
assbot [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00598091 / 0.00625286 / 0.0064 (34005 shares, 212.63 BTC), 7D: 0.004321 / 0.00608436 / 0.00677999 (3373219 shares, 20,523.90 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.00557722 / 0.0075 (8359458 shares, 46,622.54 BTC) [21:28]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 557722 * .13 / 12 [21:29]
gribble 6041.98833333 [21:29]
mircea_popescu actually, as long as sdice makes 6k btc a month it covers inflation. [21:29]
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assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P350T] 1000 @ 0.40120001 = 401.2 BTC [-] [21:32]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5367 @ 0.00065046 = 3.491 BTC [+] [21:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065614 = 2.8352 BTC [+] [21:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16159 @ 0.00065615 = 10.6027 BTC [+] [21:35]
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SpNg are S.DICE financials all denominated in BTC? [21:39]
jurov iz, what's the difference, really? either i do have open proxy here or not [21:40]
jurov SpNg: yes . and they won't touch fiat at all [21:40]
maximian SpNg: yes, and here's last month's P&L statement: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aiec3-Eo_yO5dHB2dVdiaEltUHAtTWlBcFhXQVBYeGc#gid=0 [21:41]
SpNg jurov: ok, good to know. [21:41]
Bugpowdurr bid wall at 25.70! [21:41]
SpNg maximian: I found that yesterday. S.DICE is doing pretty well ;-) [21:41]
maximian yep, it's a great business [21:41]
Bugpowdurr blarg... ask wall at 25.80 [21:41]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P350T] 1000 @ 0.40063855 = 400.6386 BTC [-] [21:42]
SpNg maximian: I'm surprised it's doing that amount of business too. The concept is fairly straight forward. Growth has been amazing on it too [21:42]
ThickerThanThiev another boring revenue day for sdice [21:42]
mircea_popescu i see the puts are moving [21:43]
ThickerThanThiev https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=80312.msg1522277#msg1522277 [21:43]
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mircea_popescu interesting graph. blue a little lower black a little higher ? [21:44]
maximian revenue goes up in bursts [21:44]
mircea_popescu that's new isn't it ? usually 4 and under drives the profits. [21:44]
Bugpowdurr usually 4 and over drives profits [21:49]
Bugpowdurr but there was 1 guy recently that was just hammering 1 and 2 BTC bets on many different levels [21:50]
mircea_popescu a ok [21:51]
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Bugpowdurr I wonder if its the same guy shorting the 350s that got burned last time... [21:56]
Bugpowdurr Seems premature to short the puts, IMHO [21:56]
Bugpowdurr h [21:56]
Bugpowdurr hurrr. actually ok [21:57]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P350T] 1000 @ 0.40063855 = 400.6386 BTC [-] [21:57]
Bugpowdurr premature to BUY puts :-P [21:57]
Bugpowdurr how yah [21:57]
Bugpowdurr its him [21:57]
mircea_popescu i wonder if with his luck we should be scared. [21:57]
Bugpowdurr lol [21:57]
Bugpowdurr how to lose 4,500BTC in 24 hours or less [21:58]
mircea_popescu what's that, the 3rd k ? [21:58]
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Bugpowdurr ya [21:58]
mircea_popescu i wonder how long he goes at it this time [21:58]
mircea_popescu like, pound bot continuously till opex ? [21:58]
alphaguru sup [21:59]
mircea_popescu moar like soup [22:00]
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assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C150T] 1 @ 0.40161617 BTC [+] [22:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065247 = 2.8193 BTC [-] [22:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00065264 = 7.2443 BTC [+] [22:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00065342 = 8.8865 BTC [+] [22:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2079 @ 0.00065615 = 1.3641 BTC [+] [22:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5680 @ 0.00063414 = 3.6019 BTC [-] [22:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00063397 = 2.7394 BTC [-] [22:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5099 @ 0.00063396 = 3.2326 BTC [-] [22:03]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.3 BTC [+] [22:03]
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assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P350T] 1000 @ 0.39895687 = 398.9569 BTC [-] [22:04]
mircea_popescu well on the positive side i think mpex monthly volume is at a new record [22:04]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.0060123 = 6.0123 BTC [-] [22:06]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3401 @ 0.00063396 = 2.1561 BTC [-] [22:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00063282 = 2.7344 BTC [-] [22:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19711 @ 0.00063281 = 12.4733 BTC [-] [22:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 730 @ 0.0061 = 4.453 BTC [+] [22:13]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P350T] 1000 @ 0.39895687 = 398.9569 BTC [-] [22:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064192 = 2.7737 BTC [+] [22:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3579 @ 0.00064225 = 2.2986 BTC [+] [22:18]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 10000 @ 0.0062 = 62 BTC [+] [22:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00063407 = 2.7398 BTC [-] [22:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7379 @ 0.00063437 = 4.681 BTC [+] [22:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3997 @ 0.00063437 = 2.5356 BTC [+] [22:33]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4037 @ 0.00063281 = 2.5547 BTC [-] [22:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00063187 = 2.7303 BTC [-] [22:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00063186 = 3.9175 BTC [-] [22:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12542 @ 0.00063131 = 7.9179 BTC [-] [22:35]
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gribble 1 BTC = 25.64900 U.S. dollars = 19.171089 Euros [22:42]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1324 @ 0.00063437 = 0.8399 BTC [+] [22:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064219 = 2.7749 BTC [+] [22:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7323 @ 0.0006422 = 4.7028 BTC [+] [22:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064202 = 2.7742 BTC [-] [22:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064205 = 2.7743 BTC [+] [22:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5058 @ 0.00064225 = 3.2485 BTC [+] [22:58]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11681 @ 0.00064225 = 7.5021 BTC [+] [23:01]
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assbot [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 10 @ 0.0224 = 0.224 BTC [-] [23:08]
assbot [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 10 @ 0.0223 = 0.223 BTC [-] [23:08]
assbot [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 10 @ 0.0222 = 0.222 BTC [-] [23:08]
assbot [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 10 @ 0.0221 = 0.221 BTC [-] [23:08]
assbot [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 50 @ 0.022 = 1.1 BTC [-] [23:08]
assbot [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 15 @ 0.0216 = 0.324 BTC [-] [23:08]
assbot [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 13 @ 0.0215 = 0.2795 BTC [-] [23:08]
assbot [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 8 @ 0.0214 = 0.1712 BTC [-] [23:08]
assbot [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 12 @ 0.0213 = 0.2556 BTC [-] [23:08]
assbot [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 10 @ 0.0212 = 0.212 BTC [-] [23:08]
assbot [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 100 @ 0.02 = 2 BTC [-] [23:08]
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ThickAsThieves ASICMINER testing? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=49417.msg1522065#msg1522065 [23:15]
Diablo-D3 MY PENIS IS SO HARD RIGHT NOW. [23:16]
ThickAsThieves lol [23:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3250 @ 0.0062 = 20.15 BTC [+] [23:17]
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Diablo-D3 EskimoBob: nope. [23:22]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 14.1 BTC [+] [23:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.0006441 = 11.626 BTC [+] [23:24]
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Bugpowdurr https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=143588.msg1510029;boardseen#new [23:26]
Bugpowdurr ?? [23:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.73600002 = 7.36 BTC [-] [23:27]
Diablo-D3 !ticker [23:27]
assbot How can I be of assistance, my poor man? [23:27]
Diablo-D3 ;;ticker [23:27]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 25.52099, Best ask: 25.59999, Bid-ask spread: 0.07900, Last trade: 25.60000, 24 hour volume: 58636.80403702, 24 hour low: 24.28002, 24 hour high: 25.82767, 24 hour vwap: 25.11691 [23:27]
Diablo-D3 EskimoBob: no? [23:27]
Diablo-D3 EskimoBob: I did the math, batch #3 avalon is too late [23:27]
Diablo-D3 they'd have to cut the price in half and/or double the performance [23:27]
mircea_popescu Bugpowdurr hurrr [23:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24835 @ 0.00065303 = 16.218 BTC [+] [23:30]
jurov i should post mircea's words to the wall thread.. maybe he meant 200k BTC, not 200 :D [23:33]
mircea_popescu lmao [23:34]
mircea_popescu im not on mtgox, and it wasn't me. [23:34]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu has like half the bitcoins in all existence [23:35]
Diablo-D3 and like 3 bitches, at least 3 [23:35]
jurov https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.msg1522320#msg1522320 [23:35]
Diablo-D3 one for the cleaning, one for the cooking, and one for the blowjobbing. [23:35]
mircea_popescu i would like to address this question at this time. [23:35]
mircea_popescu i do not has half the bitcoins [23:36]
jurov You know, we're open to North Korea but we don't get any players from there either. It's not my problem. [23:36]
jurov mircea_popescu but that won't stop me joking [23:36]
mircea_popescu that thread is getting like a life of its own huh [23:37]
jurov so if you talk with lawyer you'll end up with online casino for north koreans [23:37]
jurov that's what the doos is trying to say or? [23:37]
jurov *dood [23:38]
mircea_popescu jurov you know, he totally owned you [23:38]
mod6 Inaba is dumb. [23:39]
mircea_popescu if you were american it;'d work [23:39]
Diablo-D3 inaba isnt dumb as much as well paid [23:39]
mircea_popescu course now you tell him you're from slovakistan... [23:39]
jurov no i;ll prolly ask him whether there aren't sanctions for trade with north korea, too [23:40]
jurov like they do with cuba [23:40]
jurov or iran [23:40]
mircea_popescu hello sir i tell you absolutely no trok at all! [23:40]
jurov ? [23:41]
mircea_popescu it's this histerical video one sec [23:41]
mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdguyMJprsA [23:41]
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assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.0062 = 0.062 BTC [-] [23:47]
assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.0061 = 0.061 BTC [-] [23:47]
assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 16 @ 0.00607 = 0.0971 BTC [-] [23:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00599414 = 4.1959 BTC [-] [23:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 800 @ 0.00599414 = 4.7953 BTC [-] [23:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.00065303 = 17.893 BTC [+] [23:50]
assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.006 = 0.6 BTC [-] [23:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00064537 = 1.807 BTC [-] [23:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25450 @ 0.0006441 = 16.3923 BTC [-] [23:57]
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