Forum logs for 12 Apr 2013

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
MJR_ it is the hot ticket item of the day [00:00]
MJR_ but we will see [00:00]
guruvan successful startups do have a plan - it's the VCs who often don't [00:00]
MJR_ i personally think that if you aren't in the irc channel, learning, and actually care about bitcoin, it will show [00:00]
MJR_ SUCCESSFUL startups [00:00]
MJR_ how many aren't [00:00]
guruvan I have to agree. [00:00]
MJR_ but still got funded [00:00]
guruvan most [00:00]
MJR_ and had a decent "burn rate" [00:00]
guruvan :D [00:00]
MJR_ like...I work 16 hours a day [00:01]
MJR_ i use my salary to fund my life [00:01]
MJR_ and i expect to reap the rewards from my equity [00:01]
MJR_ fuck a salary IMO [00:01]
MJR_ but that is my mentality, i'm not used to people giving you money to make your dreams come true [00:01]
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benkay cannot get rich and have a life? [00:01]
MJR_ well...you can, i am not saying that it doesn't work out well in some cases [00:01]
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guruvan I have to earn money from my business......no two ways about it - no burn rate possible here [00:02]
MJR_ i'm just saying, i'm doing what i love because i love it [00:02]
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MJR_ i do what i have to in order to make money [00:02]
MJR_ soon they will both be the same thing [00:02]
MJR_ but till then, work harder [00:02]
MJR_ work smarter [00:02]
guruvan lol - I live in a tiny little town ....there's no jobs....gotta make your own. [00:02]
guruvan so bitcoin is my job [00:03]
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mod6 guruvan: cool! [00:03]
bowjob ;;ticker [00:03]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 118.95000, Best ask: 124.90000, Bid-ask spread: 5.95000, Last trade: 124.90000, 24 hour volume: 175853.75589845, 24 hour low: 110.20003, 24 hour high: 203.00000, 24 hour vwap: 159.51856 [00:03]
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guruvan hell yea....I haven't done anything else for a year [00:03]
guruvan (I haven't been all that flush for a lot of it, but I only started with $1500) [00:04]
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pizzaman1337 wait, what? http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/04/11/as-big-investors-emerge-bitcoin-gets-ready-for-its-close-up/ [00:06]
guruvan lulz article [00:06]
jcpham yes [00:06]
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jcpham the winklevii [00:06]
kakobrekla howmuch till the gox opens again? [00:06]
guruvan many factual errors [00:06]
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kakobrekla 8h? [00:06]
guruvan kakobrekla: 5-6hrs? [00:06]
jcpham masters of subversion, now out of the crypto-closet [00:06]
kakobrekla est is now 4pm [00:07]
guruvan lool.....masters of getting ripped off [00:07]
kakobrekla it starts at 2am [00:07]
guruvan 5pm [00:07]
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guruvan oh eSt - [00:08]
kakobrekla oh no it was utc [00:08]
kakobrekla wtf [00:08]
kakobrekla aha so 5h [00:08]
kakobrekla bah [00:08]
guruvan heh [00:09]
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jborkl_ well, i sent a small amount to Gox, 9 confirms - no show in my account [00:10]
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guruvan doesn't seem surprising [00:11]
jborkl_ so, 5-6 hours - I am not thinking is going to work out well for them [00:11]
guruvan well....opening up the floodgates for pent-up demand is reeeealy hard on big systems like they have [00:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.3375 BTC [+] [00:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.3399999 BTC [+] [00:12]
jborkl_ yes, I dont think 5-6 hours it is going to happen [00:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.34 = 0.68 BTC [+] [00:12]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.34 BTC [+] [00:13]
Bugpowder which alts are better? [00:15]
Bugpowder bitfloor stole 25k [00:15]
Bugpowder btce is in russia [00:16]
dub so russia [00:16]
ThickAsThieves whats the 25k bitfloor story? i have some cash there... [00:16]
benkay said scumbag maintains a presence in irc [00:16]
benkay where btce? [00:16]
pigeons ThickAsThieves: bitfloor got hacked, said sorry, your moneys gone, come trade with us anyway [00:17]
pigeons "got hacked" in the bitcoin sense, where who knows if its true mybitcoin [00:17]
pigeons btce got hacked and lost money but they ate it [00:18]
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pigeons the alternatives are only better the rare occasions thye have enough depth [00:18]
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guruvan Bugpowder: I've been using btc-e - I wish to god they had 2FA, but man....they have some DDOS protection. [00:25]
guruvan tough if you need easy usd in or out, but you're trading for btc you can do well with trade fees only .2% [00:26]
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pgp you know, it's like MPEX exchange membership is on sale.... [00:29]
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guruvan should raise the price ;) [00:30]
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Bugpowder I won't use anywhere without 2FA. I have too much on gox right now [00:32]
Bugpowder or GPG [00:32]
Bugpowder that is also acceptable [00:32]
guruvan yeah - I feel that...I usually keep my btc-e acct cleaned out.....I don't hold anything there [00:33]
jborkl_ micrea_popescu , deposit flushed [00:33]
mircea_popescu jborkl_ on it [00:33]
guruvan I'd really prefer gpg everywhere instead of authenticator or yubikeys [00:33]
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mircea_popescu yea. [00:34]
jborkl_ thank you [00:34]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00333332 = 6.6666 BTC [+] [00:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00333333 = 3.3333 BTC [+] [00:37]
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mircea_popescu aaand flushed./ [00:39]
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dub aaand its gone [00:44]
taub nNotice how btc-e has been running on 50% gox volume the last couple hours without having "success"? [00:44]
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Bugpowder To make myself feel better.... I present my trades of yesterday [00:45]
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taub lol i know right [00:45]
Bugpowder http://i.imgur.com/TfSNGC5.png [00:45]
Bugpowder yellow is buy [00:46]
Bugpowder blue is sell [00:46]
Bugpowder 5% of total stack in each [00:46]
Bugpowder trade [00:46]
taub must not get jealous [00:46]
taub nice trades [00:47]
TomServo nice work [00:47]
taub how did you feel out the first buy? [00:47]
taub just the stagnation? [00:47]
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taub prolly also depth showing orders [00:47]
Bugpowder goxlag was dropping fast and we had a little bounce of 105 [00:47]
Bugpowder tough part is getting the orders in 10-15 minutes before they need to go off. [00:48]
taub rofl [00:48]
mircea_popescu lmao [00:48]
ThickAsThieves nice [00:48]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.345 BTC [+] [00:50]
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Namworld bugpowder... how do you trade call/puts and Gox so well? [00:51]
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Namworld I'm doing well on that too... at least I'm on the green overall. But I'm not that accurate =P [00:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.3799999 BTC [+] [00:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.38 = 0.76 BTC [+] [00:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 30 @ 0.3871 = 11.613 BTC [+] [00:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.38999 = 3.8999 BTC [+] [00:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.39 = 1.95 BTC [+] [00:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.39798 = 0.796 BTC [+] [00:52]
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Namworld I sold VTX at 0.20 ... in the low [00:52]
Namworld But then sold the BTC for USD at 250 =P [00:52]
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mircea_popescu 50 bux a vtx share [00:54]
mircea_popescu how can you go wrong. [00:54]
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Namworld 100 000 x 50 = 5 million! [00:54]
Namworld nice valuation [00:54]
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Bugpowder Namworld: Genetic superiority [00:56]
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Bugpowder I was born lucky [00:56]
Bugpowder either that or I have been burned enough to learn common patterns, and have cashed out enough so that I'm comfortable making big bets without pissing myself [00:57]
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Bugpowder The sharp move followed by osciallation is classic though [00:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3866 @ 0.00071642 = 2.7697 BTC [+] [00:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10834 @ 0.00071795 = 7.7783 BTC [+] [00:57]
Bugpowder Also I bougt on gox today at 121, right beofre they shut down... Doh! [00:58]
ThickAsThieves i did similar, had an overnight bid for 25 @ 125 [00:58]
Bugpowder We may be moving into a new market pattern now though, so the strategies I exploited for the last 3 months may no longer work [00:58]
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ThickAsThieves luckily i cancelled like 10 other bids i had up [00:59]
TomServo Bugpowder: how much was the 'bunch of cash' you had on gox before those trades? [00:59]
Bugpowder 20% of my stack [00:59]
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Bugpowder of combined BTC and cashed out value [00:59]
Bugpowder Not going to state specific position sizes anymore [01:00]
unbalanced Wicked trading. [01:00]
TomServo np, didn't mean to intrude [01:00]
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assbot [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 1 @ 0.00184 BTC [+] [01:02]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 1 @ 0.00184 BTC [+] [01:02]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 15 @ 0.00185 = 0.0278 BTC [+] [01:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00070934 = 6.0294 BTC [-] [01:02]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 15 @ 0.001889 = 0.0283 BTC [+] [01:02]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 36 @ 0.00189 = 0.068 BTC [+] [01:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.39798 BTC [+] [01:03]
Bugpowder it's very tempting to shoot off about specific $ figures, but also stupid to.. Also, whether you are trading $1,000,000 or $100, your emotions are probably more coupled to what % of your net worth is on the line, rather than a specific dollar value [01:03]
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assbot [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 29 @ 0.00195 = 0.0566 BTC [+] [01:04]
Bugpowder The question now is, what is the right play when gox opens? [01:05]
Bugpowder would love to hear what people think [01:05]
ThickAsThieves i'm having trouble seeing the price drop lower than on outside exchanges [01:06]
ThickAsThieves like 65 or so now right? [01:06]
ThickAsThieves only thing counterbalancing that [01:06]
ThickAsThieves is that the bid book will be so thin [01:06]
ThickAsThieves if ANYONE is selling hard [01:06]
ThickAsThieves price will crash [01:07]
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Bugpowder yeah [01:07]
jborkl_ bugpowder- since only people with $ on Gox can buy - and so many bitcoins to sell -Unless Gox bust trades or limits somehow [01:07]
mircea_popescu it can go absolutely any way. [01:07]
Bugpowder the bid book is wiped out [01:07]
mircea_popescu that's why you don't want idiots like mtgox involved in situations like these. [01:07]
Bugpowder We could be in for the mother of all spike ripples [01:07]
Bugpowder ;;bids 0 [01:07]
gribble There are currently 94194264 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 5227579.67567 USD in total. | Data vintage: 12.8424 seconds [01:07]
mircea_popescu prices stickyiness can cause anything [01:07]
Bugpowder ;;bids 50 [01:07]
gribble There are currently 33641.267 bitcoins demanded at or over 50.0 USD, worth 2504465.676 USD in total. | Data vintage: 16.6801 seconds [01:07]
jborkl_ Yeah, the only way I see it ending up ok is if Gox has lined up buyers ahead of time [01:08]
jborkl_ otherwise flash crash [01:08]
Bugpowder Be aware that people will over react to every move [01:08]
ThickAsThieves due to the fact there is so much uncertainty, i think a likely scenario is a repate of last nights oscilations [01:08]
Bugpowder combined with lag [01:08]
Bugpowder will cause major swings [01:08]
ThickAsThieves if it opens, and lag isnt fixed, price will surely crash [01:09]
Bugpowder And then explode up [01:09]
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Bugpowder and then crash [01:09]
ThickAsThieves yep [01:09]
assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.00305 = 0.0153 BTC [+] [01:09]
ThickAsThieves yep [01:09]
assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 15 @ 0.0031 = 0.0465 BTC [+] [01:09]
jborkl_ Good bet for bitbet- mt gox trading engines strokes out in 10 minutes or less [01:09]
Bugpowder better to go for a big spread on your bid/ask, and not get filled, then to go for a narrow spread and get stuck in a losing position having scalped 10% [01:10]
mircea_popescu lol srlsy [01:10]
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mircea_popescu jborkl_ well there's capitve cash on mtgox [01:10]
mircea_popescu there [01:10]
mircea_popescu 's not (as much ?) capitve btc [01:11]
Bugpowder there is some captive BTC too [01:11]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 9 @ 0.00069 = 0.0062 BTC [+] [01:11]
Bugpowder tons of cash off the books right now [01:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.0006975 = 6.2426 BTC [-] [01:11]
jborkl_ the ? is how much of that cash has been requested for withdrawal [01:11]
ThickAsThieves only btc there, will be from people that fear/dislike/cant deal in fiat on other exchanges [01:11]
Bugpowder there are tight withdrawl lmits [01:11]
Bugpowder 10k a day [01:11]
Bugpowder for verified [01:11]
jborkl_ not if you are apostilled [01:11]
mircea_popescu apostilled lol [01:12]
jborkl_ lol [01:12]
Bugpowder If you are apostilled you proably have 500k on the exchange [01:12]
jborkl_ spelling [01:12]
Bugpowder otherwise its too much of a pita [01:12]
mircea_popescu it's just funny, where they put the apostille, on your cock ? [01:12]
taub time for powernap until mtgox opens [01:13]
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taub think we might actually see a little recovery in the meantime, 99-120 [01:14]
mircea_popescu lmao [01:15]
mircea_popescu watch it sit glued in the mp range [01:15]
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Bugpowder I think greed will defeat fear in the end [01:15]
ThickAsThieves greed is on both ends though [01:16]
ThickAsThieves buyers and sellers [01:17]
ThickAsThieves i think people will need to use outside exchanges as reference [01:17]
jborkl_ but they will not, Gox is full of noobs that will be hitting sell and f5 [01:18]
ThickAsThieves maybe... [01:18]
mircea_popescu or buy [01:18]
jborkl_ other people will buy [01:18]
ThickAsThieves but how much money do noobs really have [01:18]
jborkl_ it is going to be fun [01:19]
jborkl_ there were 15000 accounts waiting in the Q [01:19]
jborkl_ so, a bunch [01:19]
Bugpowder Just for the love of god... don't place a market order. [01:19]
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ThickAsThieves lol [01:19]
Bugpowder http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/04/11/as-big-investors-emerge-bitcoin-gets-ready-for-its-close-up/ [01:20]
jborkl_ I have some money on there and know what price I am putting my limit at- I hope it gets filled [01:20]
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Bugpowder I hope the vwap never goes below 122. [01:21]
mircea_popescu Winklevii — as they are popularly known — say they own nearly 1 percent of that, or some $11 million. [01:21]
mircea_popescu everyone claiming 100k btc like it's a trend [01:21]
ThickAsThieves i have a 100k sdice [01:22]
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ThickAsThieves fo fuck you twins [01:22]
ThickAsThieves so [01:22]
ThickAsThieves hehe [01:22]
dub inb4 facebook launches bitcoin payments [01:22]
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mircea_popescu if facebook does it it will suck [01:23]
mircea_popescu facecoin! [01:23]
ThickAsThieves itll be just as cool as facebook gifts [01:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 28 @ 0.39798 = 11.1434 BTC [+] [01:24]
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mircea_popescu @maxkeiser 5h Could a Patent Lawsuit Take Down the Bitcoin Exchanges Like MtGox??? [01:24]
mircea_popescu yeah totally. we need more huffpo intelligent bitcoin discussion [01:24]
mircea_popescu hopefully the hos are doing it nude while balancing sandwich plates. [01:24]
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Bugpowder https://www.facebook.com/appcenter/bitcoin-tx?fb_source=appcenter [01:25]
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mod6 mircea_popescu: lol [01:29]
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jborkl_ Service is down for emergency maintenance for one hour, until 2013-04-11 23:30:00 UTC. Please retry at that time [01:30]
jborkl_ mtgox [01:30]
mircea_popescu emergency ? [01:31]
mircea_popescu wasn't this scheduled ? [01:31]
Bugpowder all the btcz is gone [01:31]
TomServo This is the front page now [01:31]
Bugpowder maybe now they are really doing the change over [01:31]
mircea_popescu maybe they don't know wmat emergency means. [01:31]
mircea_popescu everyone says "scheduled" when they mean emertgency, [01:32]
mircea_popescu mtgox goes the other way around. [01:32]
Bugpowder yeah they could be saying it like we have been so successful, its an emergency [01:32]
KRS1 hah [01:32]
mircea_popescu we are an emergency of our own success. [01:32]
joecool gox crashes, MT eats pizza and sweats [01:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.39798 = 1.9899 BTC [+] [01:33]
KRS1 mount cocks [01:33]
joecool *magic the gathering online exchange [01:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.39799 = 0.796 BTC [+] [01:34]
joecool Apr 11 09:23:40 Ad0: sweating right now [01:35]
joecool https://twitter.com/MagicalTux/status/322317865443274752/photo/1 [01:35]
Scrat hah [01:36]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.731 = 1.462 BTC [-] [01:40]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.730211 BTC [-] [01:41]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.73021 BTC [-] [01:41]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.7302 = 1.4604 BTC [-] [01:41]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 0.73019 = 14.6038 BTC [-] [01:41]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.73 = 2.19 BTC [-] [01:41]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.72 = 2.16 BTC [-] [01:41]
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mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=173782.0 [01:44]
mircea_popescu btc-e issues ? [01:44]
mod6 i saw that earlier... then "moni3z" says: You will get your LTC don't worry [01:45]
mod6 wat!? [01:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 4 @ 1.6 = 6.4 BTC [-] [01:46]
mircea_popescu i dunno [01:46]
joecool did that btcex guy just disappear? [01:46]
mircea_popescu which one is that ? [01:47]
joecool mircea_popescu: the guy who used to run btcex a couple years ago [01:48]
mircea_popescu i weirdly have no recollection of this at all. who the f ? [01:48]
joecool he was funny, put a bounty up to hack mtgox, did a lot of other insane stuff, trolled bitcointalk ~2011 [01:48]
joecool but yeah used to run an exchange that went under around then [01:48]
mircea_popescu o wait [01:48]
joecool russian guy i think [01:48]
mircea_popescu went away like mid 2012 neh ? [01:48]
joecool https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6864.0 << here's one of his threads [01:49]
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assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.16169 BTC [+] [01:49]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94649.0 [01:49]
mircea_popescu ya guy was a serial exchange entrepreneur. [01:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.39798 = 1.9899 BTC [-] [01:50]
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assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 75 @ 0.0034 = 0.255 BTC [+] [01:51]
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assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 9 @ 0.3989 = 3.5901 BTC [+] [01:55]
Bugpowder Jesus Christ. Denninger is trolling my FB page. [01:57]
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mod6 sometimes referred to as a founding member of the Tea Party movement. << the guy is probably a cockmeat sandwich [01:58]
mircea_popescu o is he the nut from before ? [01:58]
mircea_popescu with the bitcoin is not a good currency because can't be made into a responsible dildo ? [01:58]
Bugpowder http://imgur.com/F35l2Sl [01:58]
mod6 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Denninger [01:59]
Guest8717 Tell him that vacuums are actually a multi-billion dollar industry [01:59]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 10 @ 0.1617 = 1.617 BTC [+] [01:59]
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assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 10 @ 0.1399 = 1.399 BTC [+] [02:00]
mod6 Bugpowder: what a douchebag [02:01]
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assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 2 @ 0.1617 = 0.3234 BTC [+] [02:02]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.1399 = 0.4197 BTC [+] [02:03]
ThickAsThieves so no AM update? [02:03]
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guruvan this is the only refuge of sanity on irc.......everyone else is freaking out about USD loses...... [02:12]
mod6 ^^^ [02:12]
guruvan any idea how long its safe to reuse a gox deposit address? I want to send funds there, but can't log in. [02:13]
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guruvan one in my wallet aren't that recently made [02:13]
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mircea_popescu i wouldn't. [02:14]
Insaneatyou Gox is down, I wouldn't be touching them until they're back up [02:14]
mod6 personally i would wait until they can generate you a new one. who knows if they've changed wallets or whatever. [02:14]
guruvan yeah - that's what Im thinking [02:14]
mod6 yeah, aside from not using gox at all lol [02:14]
mircea_popescu and use something other than mttox. [02:15]
guruvan ya - this is a special occasion though - I just want to take advantage of the mayhem [02:15]
Namworld darn it... I sent 100 BTC to MtGox [02:15]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.71 BTC [-] [02:15]
Namworld 1FEUCcszrBBMMMm1UwNK8mwFQF29mE39bM [02:15]
guruvan I rarely have anything in there (thus no recent deposit addy) [02:15]
Namworld Nice repeating pattern [02:15]
Namworld Feu (fire) Cc, BB, MMMm [02:15]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.701 BTC [-] [02:15]
Namworld looks funny [02:16]
Namworld I want it as vanity url... [02:16]
mircea_popescu Namworld are you sleepy "? [02:16]
guruvan hah [02:16]
Namworld Possibly... [02:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.0006975 = 2.7551 BTC [-] [02:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6887 @ 0.00069712 = 4.8011 BTC [-] [02:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2563 @ 0.00069557 = 1.7827 BTC [-] [02:16]
Namworld Leave me to my delirium. I'm having fun. [02:16]
mircea_popescu np np [02:17]
Bugpowder Time to get some sushi and sake to prepare for the mayhem [02:17]
Namworld lol [02:17]
Bugpowder if gox delays opening though... I will be PISSED [02:17]
Namworld Living it big? [02:17]
Bugpowder open at 3am EDT [02:17]
Bugpowder Still got enough to live large [02:17]
Namworld eheh [02:18]
Bugpowder but I might not buy that art car now.. http://burners.me/2013/04/09/your-own-art-car-wunders-rockbox-on-the-auction-block/ [02:18]
Bugpowder Had some discussions with the owner yesterday [02:18]
Namworld ok well... I'm going to go eat something before gox reopens... [02:18]
Bugpowder after the gox ripple trade [02:18]
Namworld Better have a full stomach and be rested so I can stick around [02:18]
mircea_popescu how long is it ? [02:19]
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mod6 Bugpowder: holy shit you were going to buy that thing?!?? [02:19]
Bugpowder yup [02:19]
Bugpowder we got a camp [02:19]
Bugpowder having someone head up to Ft Bragg to scope it this weekend [02:19]
mircea_popescu he's a campy fag at heart :D [02:19]
guruvan for burning man? [02:19]
Bugpowder of course! [02:20]
mod6 jeeze [02:20]
mod6 lol [02:20]
mod6 WOW [02:20]
Bugpowder Not feeling bitrich anymore though [02:20]
mod6 dude. [02:20]
Bugpowder Also I'm sober [02:20]
Bugpowder discussions were after a Stone IPA pint. [02:20]
mod6 people arn't ready for bitcoins yet [02:21]
guruvan hahah - those stones are strong [02:22]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6963 @ 0.00069538 = 4.8419 BTC [-] [02:27]
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ThickAsThieves stone ipa is pretty good stuff [02:29]
mod6 haha, the thing lights up! [02:29]
ThickAsThieves ? [02:29]
ThickAsThieves oh the car [02:29]
mod6 oh yeah sorry someone is talking in my ear [02:30]
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error4733 ;;eightball will mtGox crash at 2am [02:39]
gribble You know the answer better than I. [02:39]
pipeline (yes) [02:40]
error4733 ;;eightball yes but please, answer the question [02:40]
gribble What are you asking me for? [02:40]
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error4733 ;;eightball should i sold all my btc [02:40]
gribble The outlook is good. [02:40]
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ThickAsThieves anothe rtrade hapnd on Gox [02:53]
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ThickAsThieves Last price:$124.90000 [02:54]
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mircea_popescu heh [02:55]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.701 = 7.01 BTC [-] [03:03]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.3 = 2.6 BTC [-] [03:14]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.21 BTC [-] [03:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 538 @ 0.00069538 = 0.3741 BTC [-] [03:24]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.2 = 2.4 BTC [-] [03:25]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.14 BTC [-] [03:26]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.3659995 BTC [+] [03:27]
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mircea_popescu $avg [03:35]
mpexbot mircea_popescu: 125.94 [03:35]
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mod6 well, it'll be interesting to see where this thing goes when mount cawks reopens [03:40]
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mircea_popescu all i want to see is mtgox volume < 10k for the day. [03:41]
mod6 that'd be something [03:41]
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ThickAsThieves there'll be plenty volume when they open [03:48]
Bugpowder I am going to do 10k today [03:48]
TradeFortress assuming no 502 errors [03:48]
mircea_popescu anyway. cahtch you all later. [03:48]
mod6 Bugpowder: you had some nice trades yesterday [03:48]
mod6 c-a [03:48]
mod6 *ya [03:48]
Bugpowder hope tonight is a repeat [03:49]
* Now talking on #bitcoin-assets [12:32]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com/ [12:32]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 13 14:15:50 2013 [12:32]
mircea_popescu ahhh [12:32]
mircea_popescu so how we doin' [12:32]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [12:32]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 90.69400, Best ask: 90.69404, Bid-ask spread: 0.00004, Last trade: 90.69404, 24 hour volume: 206604.44982419, 24 hour low: 65.00000, 24 hour high: 168.00000, 24 hour vwap: 104.07735 [12:32]
MJR_ hey mircea_popescu [12:32]
mircea_popescu a little low huh [12:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4835 @ 0.00067922 = 3.284 BTC [-] [12:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5501 @ 0.00067854 = 3.7326 BTC [-] [12:37]
MJR_ http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/04/taming-the-bubble-investors-bet-on-bitcoin-via-derivatives-markets/ [12:39]
jurov yea, just told my family to start getting in [12:39]
MJR_ retards ^^^ how do they talk about "derivatives" without actually mentioning derivatives [12:39]
mircea_popescu MJR_ it's a talent. [12:41]
mircea_popescu they are probably waiting for me to send them gifts and pat them on the head. [12:41]
mircea_popescu which is nice because i never will. they can come to me on knees and get something or else keep on prattling. [12:41]
MJR_ i get that they should have mentioned mpex... [12:41]
MJR_ but my point is that they should have mentioned a derivative [12:42]
MJR_ hedge fund !=derivative [12:42]
MJR_ nor does shorting [12:42]
MJR_ or leveraged trading [12:42]
Scrat are you ready for the lulz today [12:42]
Scrat the "50x faster engine" [12:42]
MJR_ so...they basically say financial derivatives can stablize markets (US govt banned onion futures and they are now volatile) so given that info [12:43]
mircea_popescu MJR_ yea well... [12:43]
MJR_ lets not talk about an actual derivative at all [12:43]
mircea_popescu in my experience it's kinda how this stuff goes. may be wrong. [12:43]
mircea_popescu ;;goxlag [12:43]
gribble MtGox lag is 2.570025 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00515030132457 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from Jupiter to its largest moon, Ganymede (0.007155 AU). [12:43]
mircea_popescu well... 2.57 seconds is 50x faster than something... [12:43]
Scrat 2.57 seconds with roughly 30 trades in the last minute [12:44]
mircea_popescu lol [12:44]
mircea_popescu anyway their lag problem should be resolved tghe other way [12:44]
mircea_popescu everyone quitting. [12:44]
error4733 i.imgur.com/ngMsLqr.png [12:46]
Scrat error4733: very nice, which website is that [12:47]
error4733 reddit? [12:48]
error4733 or maybe the address in the address bar ? [12:51]
error4733 :) [12:51]
error4733 ;;eightball should i stay in my bed get laida [12:52]
gribble Yes! [12:52]
error4733 thanks eightball [12:52]
Scrat ;;goxlag [12:52]
gribble MtGox lag is 79.565712 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.159448795986 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ten times between Jupiter and Callisto (0.12567 AU). [12:52]
Scrat wahahahahah [12:52]
error4733 ;;eightball will my boss undesrtand i keep me tmrw [12:53]
gribble What are you asking me for? [12:53]
error4733 ;;eightball will my boss undesrtand i keep me tmrw [12:53]
gribble You know the answer better than I. [12:53]
error4733 ;;eightball will my boss know i fuck is daugter ? [12:54]
gribble You're kidding, right? [12:54]
mircea_popescu lol [12:54]
mircea_popescu is she hot ? [12:54]
assbot [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 79 @ 0.2 = 15.8 BTC [+] [12:54]
error4733 no [12:54]
mircea_popescu Scrat well... it's 50x faster than 4000 seconds ? [12:54]
error4733 resume for the last 6h ? no more drama ? [12:56]
mircea_popescu nothing much. [12:56]
error4733 GOOD, pain in the ass to explain if btc was crash to 20$ ut this, 90$ is juste a correction from th last 3 crazy week ! hope next bubble i got some ball to short when a crash is obv [12:58]
jurov i just pretty much ignored whole bubble. not worth to mess with one's nerves like that. [12:59]
jurov might buy few next month calls soon, nothing else. [13:00]
taub $avg [13:00]
mpexbot taub: 97.18 [13:00]
taub :> [13:00]
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mircea_popescu the good news is that based on 24 jhour data mtgox is down under 50% of volume [13:07]
mircea_popescu if this trend continues and in a week they're 20-30% this will all have been well worth it. [13:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13666 @ 0.00067363 = 9.2058 BTC [-] [13:08]
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bitesak_ the pricing of options seem to have changed... [13:15]
pizzaman1337 yeah, because the pricing of usd/btc has changed... [13:15]
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bitesak_ fair enough, so strikes ned to be extended way beyond 500 to have prices flatten out at ~0.059? [13:17]
mircea_popescu bitesak_ the bot's volatility sense has been utterly overloaded these past few days [13:23]
mircea_popescu i think some assumptions baked into it originally (2011, that is) melded security with actual pricing at the edge cases. [13:24]
mircea_popescu we could say it's seeing more of a "catastrophic event" than normal market conditions. [13:24]
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bitesak_ thanks. call options for Next month are the same price as This month as of strike 386 [13:26]
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bitesak_ and thank you mircea_popescu for your reliable and great service you offer. it does stick out nowadays. [13:29]
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mircea_popescu bitesak_ thanks for noticing. [13:35]
mircea_popescu the fact is this recent price nonsense has been drowning out legitimate bitcoin interest and investment [13:35]
mircea_popescu in a flood of noobish speculators. [13:35]
mircea_popescu they have gotten well stung tho, and stinging will continue until people understand that bitcoin is actually useful and actually valuable, not a get rich quick scheme of the week. [13:35]
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mircea_popescu also from the good news department, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=174549.0 [13:37]
bitesak_ let's focus on the good and let it grow and appreciate [13:39]
Uglux_ rip gox [13:39]
mircea_popescu bitesak_ yes. still, it's hard to explain to people the investment virtues of bitcoin [13:41]
mircea_popescu atop a cacophony of experts a la max keiser. [13:41]
bitesak_ as you said, say the truth no matter the context, just make sure tis the truth [13:43]
ZedsterX have any of you seen/read this? http://www.infowars.com/bitcoin-crashes-over-50-just-one-day-after-bold-public-prediction-by-mike-adams-of-natural-news/ [13:44]
Uglux_ goxlag [13:44]
Uglux_ ;;goxlag [13:44]
gribble MtGox lag is 112.75835 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.225966470895 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin between Earth and Venus at their closest approach (0.254 AU). [13:44]
mircea_popescu ZedsterX there's about fiddy billion people claiming they called it by now. [13:45]
mircea_popescu it's how these fringe outfits survive. [13:45]
ZedsterX watch the vid really read the article try not to be so high and mighty all the time mP [13:46]
bitesak_ am off_ [13:47]
ZedsterX the part about bitcoinbillionaire is the most interesting [13:47]
mircea_popescu ZedsterX i rarely watch a vid. care to summarize ? [13:47]
bitesak_ "Wednesday’s wild ride came as someone gave away thousands of dollars worth of Bitcoins on Reddit, the social news site. News blog Business Insider calculated a Reddit user under the name “Bitcoinbillionaire” had given away $13,627.69896 worth of Bitcoins to Reddit users over the day." [13:49]
Scrat mircea_popescu: I think it's time for you to invest in CSS [13:49]
ZedsterX he say BTCbillionnaire was central banks [13:50]
mircea_popescu so somebody gave away 13k worth of btc on reddit and therefore crash. this is the public statement ? [13:50]
mircea_popescu Scrat why ? [13:50]
ZedsterX not the point [13:50]
mircea_popescu ZedsterX well, so state the point [13:51]
Scrat because UX matters [13:51]
mircea_popescu start by stating the point is a great policy anyway. [13:51]
mircea_popescu Scrat certainly. where's css get into ux ? [13:51]
Scrat by making it more readable? i mean unformatted tables, come on [13:52]
troc UX matters to some [13:52]
mircea_popescu Scrat you have lost your argument here. so, ux matters. here's the ux : [13:52]
mircea_popescu $mpexlag [13:52]
mpexbot mircea_popescu: 0.110823869705 seconds [13:52]
mircea_popescu the other part of ux is the 0.2% sell side only fee. [13:52]
mircea_popescu that's 1/10 what mtgox charges, for arguably much more service. [13:53]
mircea_popescu this is ux. [13:53]
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mircea_popescu gpg signed contracts, that's ux. [13:53]
pizzaman1337 how about instant deposits? That would be nice [13:54]
mircea_popescu or in other words : ux is for USERS only. there's no suchj thing as vx, visitor experience. [13:54]
mircea_popescu pizzaman1337 also unsafe. [13:54]
pizzaman1337 unsafe to accept money coming in? [13:54]
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mircea_popescu remember the recent hard fork ? i wouldn't trust the current codebase. [13:54]
mircea_popescu yes. [13:54]
pizzaman1337 ah, true [13:54]
mircea_popescu i'd end up having to cancel trades daily or some shit [13:54]
mircea_popescu even once a year is too much for people to stomach. [13:54]
pizzaman1337 isn't it easy to monitor for blockchain forks? [13:54]
mircea_popescu it is impossible to do, because these are emergent phenomena. [13:55]
mircea_popescu nobody really has a clue what bitcoin code does, and the devs are resisting tooth and nail any attermpt to specify it [13:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120 @ 0.00067687 = 0.0812 BTC [+] [13:56]
assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 3 @ 0.00319 = 0.0096 BTC [+] [13:56]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4000 @ 0.00316043 = 12.6417 BTC [-] [13:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00349999 = 3.5 BTC [+] [13:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.0035 = 2.45 BTC [+] [13:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1500 @ 0.00373 = 5.595 BTC [+] [13:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2800 @ 0.00373333 = 10.4533 BTC [+] [13:59]
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Cylta How much did you loseget, people? [14:01]
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mircea_popescu this ain't otc, cylta [14:02]
Cylta mircea_popescu: I just wanted to know, did you able to make it profitable for you, or not =) [14:02]
Cylta and did you able to predict it or not [14:03]
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pizzaman1337 ;;market buy --usd 130000 [14:03]
gribble A market order to buy 130000.0000 USD worth of bitcoins right now would buy 1618.5055 bitcoins and would take the last price up to 82.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 80.3210 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 27.2853 seconds [14:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 660 @ 0.00067687 = 0.4467 BTC [+] [14:04]
mircea_popescu Cylta i take it you've not seen http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/in-which-noobs-learn-lessons-and-pay-for-the-privilege ? [14:04]
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pizzaman1337 ;;asks 100 [14:06]
gribble There are currently 11619.268 bitcoins offered at or under 100.0 USD, worth 1054970.02346 USD in total. | Data vintage: 29.2044 seconds [14:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4953 @ 0.00067687 = 3.3525 BTC [+] [14:07]
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Cylta1 mircea_popescu: Okay, so you knew it. Very good, just checking you =) [14:11]
mircea_popescu :p [14:11]
mircea_popescu most people knew i would say. [14:11]
mircea_popescu maybe some didn't know they knew. anyway. [14:11]
Cylta1 Some people (actually, a lot) expected that "bitcoin is about to explode!11" [14:12]
MJR_ ugh...when will people learn that stupid systems can't be saved by more hardware [14:13]
mircea_popescu MJR_ depends who's people. people with no competence won't develop it magically. [14:13]
mircea_popescu Cylta1 ya well... [14:13]
MJR_ it is just a retardly simple fix [14:13]
MJR_ but for some reason, they would rather halt trading for 12 hours to set up new servers [14:13]
MJR_ and still not fix the problem [14:14]
mircea_popescu $goxlag [14:14]
mircea_popescu ... [14:14]
MJR_ $goxlaglag [14:14]
mircea_popescu ;;goxlag [14:14]
gribble MtGox lag is 1.38465 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00277482309669 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from Jupiter to its third largest moon, Io (0.002819 AU). [14:14]
mircea_popescu a ok [14:14]
MJR_ it hit 30 seconds like 2 minutes ago [14:15]
MJR_ and its because i see all the bullshit orders coming in and out [14:15]
MJR_ i am streaming their data [14:15]
MJR_ and they just have a ton of orders for .05 btc [14:15]
MJR_ i think it would be way less radical to just change min order size than to shut down for 12 hours [14:16]
jurov mjr_ did not plan for it and afraid to break it... [14:16]
Cylta1 they should do a stable fee of 0.001 btc per order in addition to 0.6%.. [14:16]
jurov i know this fear firsthand now [14:16]
MJR_ yeah, you could just change fee schedule [14:16]
MJR_ to avoid spam [14:16]
MJR_ anyway, to treat an order for .05 btc the same as one for 100 btc is retarded [14:16]
MJR_ its called toxic order flow [14:17]
MJR_ and IRL they will disable your account [14:17]
MJR_ if you spam orders like that [14:17]
jurov it's better to have built-in protection in system [14:18]
jurov than to fix afterwards with fees [14:18]
MJR_ i agree... [14:18]
MJR_ you could implement a system in a ton of different ways [14:18]
MJR_ prioritze by size [14:18]
MJR_ higher fees for lower size [14:18]
MJR_ block lower size completely [14:18]
MJR_ etc... [14:18]
MJR_ any one of those would prob reduce their stress by 90% [14:19]
jurov no. i just did it so that one user can't place two orders at once. has to wait for the first one to return from mpex [14:19]
MJR_ instead of "everyone stop for 12 hours" [14:19]
MJR_ i was talking about gox [14:19]
troc limit it to n orders per x ? [14:19]
MJR_ there you go [14:19]
MJR_ that would work too [14:19]
MJR_ any of those systems would be better than bringing up another server [14:19]
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MJR_ not that its bad to bring up more servers...but if you have a stupid unscalable system in place, it really doesn't matter how much more hardware you have [14:20]
jurov heck, even theymos can't be brought to spend to improve the forum [14:20]
MJR_ unless you can grow your hardware exponentially i suppose [14:20]
jurov it's just they found themselves in dark place and feel too paralyzed about everything [14:21]
mircea_popescu jurov yea isn't that interesting ? only forum in the world that had 1mn usd at any point [14:21]
jurov no help there, i guess [14:21]
mircea_popescu heh. ui think you're exactly correct. [14:21]
MJR_ i'm also surprised that more people don't just use amazon cloud [14:21]
MJR_ i really wonder what their office was like today [14:21]
mircea_popescu fast food and whatever [14:22]
mircea_popescu didn't the guy put pix up ? [14:22]
MJR_ i've really been curious about the ACTUAL volume they do # of transactions [14:22]
MJR_ not # of bitcoins [14:22]
MJR_ yeah i saw the pizza photo [14:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14237 @ 0.00069911 = 9.9532 BTC [+] [14:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11696 @ 0.00069963 = 8.1829 BTC [+] [14:25]
MJR_ they should look at 0MQ or something like that [14:27]
MJR_ :) [14:27]
MJR_ my friend and coworker just designed his optimized version of that, which outperforms it...i think he gets 350k messages per second... [14:28]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.7589 = 1.5178 BTC [-] [14:28]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.759 = 3.036 BTC [+] [14:29]
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gesell https://status.bitfloor.com/ [14:33]
gesell bifloor, please keep in mind that most of the community today is filled with speculators that dont give a fuck, and also there are plenty of entities that actually want bitcoin to fail. Get your security house in order! [14:34]
gesell there are still 0 whales on the bids book and plenty on the asks [14:35]
pigeons has anybody actually seen tiberiusiv and EskimoBob together at the same time? [14:36]
gesell i really wonder if the bid whales really chose to wait it out while holding so much btc at risk [14:36]
gesell why would they do that. maybe they have way more in fiat [14:36]
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MJR_ good point [14:38]
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ZedsterX 50 will be the magic number [14:42]
ZedsterX wrong window [14:42]
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gesell i love how the 111111 btc addr has become a bilboard for others to send 0.001 btc to have their own scam advertised http://blockchain.info/address/1933phfhK3ZgFQNLGSDXvqCn32k2buXY8a [14:42]
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pgp morning all - what is consensus on gox's "new server" was lag any better overnight? [14:45]
gesell lag has been in the 0 to 8 second range for the past 20 min or so [14:46]
gesell but tehn again, probably not as much volume or [14:46]
MJR_ i saw 30 seconds [14:47]
MJR_ just 15 min ago [14:47]
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MJR_ pgp: did you test the data? i emailed you the link, wanna see if it'll work right out of the box on your machine [14:47]
pgp well, i get the feeling that volume will start to pick up as it continues to drift lower here... [14:47]
pgp crazy action last night, though... [14:48]
MJR_ well, cnbc reported $65...it was at 80 at the time [14:48]
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pgp wall at 76 is going to disappear fast imho [14:50]
pgp gone [14:50]
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taub bids getting hosed [14:51]
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taub in before another cooldown [14:52]
pgp get back into the bunker, boys... [14:53]
pgp buy @ $32 [14:53]
taub i feel so bad for everyone who bought 200+ [14:54]
taub or even 100+ [14:54]
taub btce chat full with sob stories of people who are now broke [14:54]
KRS1 lol [14:54]
KRS1 i dun feel bad [14:54]
Cylta1 taub: it was their fault, not your [14:55]
Cylta1 taub: they simple were too greedy. [14:55]
taub i know, i still feel bad for them :) [14:55]
KRS1 greed fuels a purchase at $200+ for a financial instrument that rose so quickly [14:55]
KRS1 its going down to $32? damn [14:56]
KRS1 heh [14:56]
pgp tulips, baby, tulips... [14:56]
taub i got buy orders along the way [14:56]
taub :) [14:56]
pgp definately going below 50 today, i think... [14:57]
MJR_ if you redraw the six month chart...and connect this point to the prior 6 months, it looks like a nice steady growth [14:57]
pgp mjr: yes [14:57]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 25 @ 0.759 = 18.975 BTC [+] [14:58]
taub all those huge sell orders, thenn the cute 1btc buy inbetween lol [14:58]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 18 @ 0.759 = 13.662 BTC [+] [14:58]
pgp so, gox *seems* better, no? [14:58]
taub pop pop watching prices drop [14:58]
taub yea it lags consideribly less [14:58]
pgp 70 going going... [14:58]
taub about 2k+ coins dumped on 70 just now [14:59]
pgp gone [14:59]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7605 BTC [+] [14:59]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7609 BTC [+] [15:00]
pgp i think that they've improved lag by an order of magnitude it seems to me... that was a lot of coin that just went off [15:00]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7609 BTC [+] [15:00]
pgp normally we'd be at 500 sec lag or more [15:00]
taub yep [15:00]
taub ;;goxlag [15:00]
gribble MtGox lag is 35.184033 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0705084081919 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin approximately the distance covered by Voyager 1 in one week (0.0689 AU). [15:00]
KRS1 so $32 is not going to happen? [15:00]
gesell (13:54:29) MagicalTux: [20:53:00] MagicalTux: have someone give a road plan for how the issues with dos via small orders is going to be dealt with in the long term <- new trade engine won't have any issue handling that [15:00]
pgp it'll happen [15:00]
pgp first stop 50 [15:01]
KRS1 damn when will we see the bottom [15:01]
gesell (13:55:28) gesell: MagicalTux: do you guys recalculate the fee bracket after every single trade? If so I would recommend tampering this somehow because thats added computation that could be leveraged in a direct dos (small orders) [15:01]
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gesell (13:57:25) MagicalTux: gesell: we're already throtteling [15:01]
KRS1 the graphs tell me steady, healthy increase like mjr said but not tulip [15:01]
pgp joking about the tulips... [15:02]
KRS1 lol ok [15:02]
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pgp good thing about drops like this if that it soes flush out the noobs and puts coins back into strong hands (i hope) [15:03]
gesell mjr_ this type of analysis doesnt apply here sadly because much of the crash is simply from technical glitches [15:03]
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ChaangNoi lol at the ticker [15:04]
ChaangNoi ;;ticker [15:05]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 67.00000, Best ask: 67.20000, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 67.00000, 24 hour volume: 280761.33688409, 24 hour low: 65.00000, 24 hour high: 163.44100, 24 hour vwap: 94.84470 [15:05]
ChaangNoi will be get back to 20? [15:05]
troc ;;bids 0 [15:05]
gribble There are currently 46813366 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 9022428.38588 USD in total. | Data vintage: 77.6342 seconds [15:05]
Diablo-D3 ChaangNoi: I predicted $50 before $500 [15:05]
Diablo-D3 I guess its coming out that Im right [15:05]
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ChaangNoi if you made that call at $45 good job :) [15:06]
pgp I was talking to a VC the other night ($230) who was bragging about *almost* being a bitcoin millionaire - bought in around 85 - I'll bet he feels like a douche bag now [15:06]
Diablo-D3 ChaangNoi: well Ive been saying it since we started heading up to $100 the first time [15:06]
alex12 anyone heard of this? : http://primeasic.com/index.html [15:06]
pigeons wow everyone i talk to is always totaly right with their market predictions, everyone must be rich [15:06]
KRS1 whats funny is- i'm way better off than I was when the price was this low last time lol [15:06]
Diablo-D3 ChaangNoi: I think mp was agreeing with me at the time too [15:06]
ChaangNoi lol yeah calling $50 before $500 when at $20 is a pretty safe call [15:06]
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ChaangNoi pigeons i thought we would get close to $500. i was wrong, but i still slowly sold a few percent ever $50 so im fine for a few years of living in fiat [15:07]
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pgp alex12: looks like scam to me [15:08]
ChaangNoi still if anyone told you that at jan 1st we would be at $60 in april would you have belived them? :) [15:08]
ChaangNoi prime asic is a scam lol [15:08]
alex12 pgp: picks look interested ... [15:08]
alex12 s/ed/ing/ [15:08]
alex12 yeah ... [15:08]
KRS1 lol [15:08]
pigeons i have more btc than i did 2 days ago, and thats what counts to me [15:08]
gesell pigeons: agreed [15:09]
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ChaangNoi i was all in btc before the rally [15:09]
Scrat ;;ticker --last [15:09]
gribble 66.00000 [15:09]
alex12 is asicminet.pt mining yet? [15:10]
ChaangNoi i had no more fiat left [15:10]
gesell bitcoin-24 down [15:10]
ChaangNoi i was selling my limited gold.silver to live [15:10]
Diablo-D3 ChaangNoi: btw, no, I was saying we'd drop to $50 before we'd go to $500 [15:10]
ChaangNoi i can now last foe 2 more years, sad to admit it, but i did sel btc [15:10]
Diablo-D3 ChaangNoi: and I kept saying it the higher we went [15:10]
Diablo-D3 I never expected we'd reach $26x [15:10]
ChaangNoi d3 im just messing with ya:) [15:10]
pigeons yeah i sell btc too when i need to buy something [15:10]
ChaangNoi got a family to support [15:11]
ChaangNoi but we are yet to hit 50, we might not make it, will be interesting next week [15:11]
ChaangNoi the thing is, buying at $60 is so much better than buying at $260, and i sold at $260... [15:12]
taub rofl [15:12]
pigeons that's the way to do it :) [15:12]
taub bitcoinity [15:12]
taub dancing chicken with caption "I REGRET NOTHING" [15:12]
ChaangNoi lol at chicken on bitcoinity [15:12]
pgp funny [15:12]
pgp he does some entaining stuff with the site [15:13]
pgp entertaining [15:13]
ChaangNoi yeah, i like it a lot [15:13]
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ChaangNoi 5k wall at 65 [15:13]
pgp you ever see the big picture of his face smiling at you with the bitcoin address under it... [15:13]
ChaangNoi nope [15:13]
ChaangNoi i was the first to donate to him [15:14]
ChaangNoi he has the address on the lower right [15:14]
pgp it's the best site of it's kind... [15:15]
ChaangNoi and most of the time it works [15:15]
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ChaangNoi lol there goes 65 [15:16]
ChaangNoi did someone sell into that wall? [15:16]
pgp interesting that there really aren't any ask walls... it's just a ton of market sell orders [15:17]
pgp unrelenting [15:17]
ChaangNoi yeah [15:17]
ChaangNoi kinda wonder if it was pump and dump all along [15:17]
pgp and nice to see happen in plain old slow motion... instead of slow, slow, super slow motion... [15:18]
ChaangNoi someone just bought a massive amount at 65 [15:18]
pgp conspiracy theory are already circulating... [15:18]
pgp mjr - what were you saying last night about this? [15:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00069424 = 7.0465 BTC [-] [15:20]
ChaangNoi im honestly shocked people have this many coins to sell [15:20]
ChaangNoi ;;asks 50 [15:22]
gribble There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 50.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 1.2933 seconds [15:22]
pgp maybe these guys are selling: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/11/winklevoss-bitcoin_n_3063831.html [15:22]
ChaangNoi ;;bids 50 [15:22]
gribble There are currently 30010.715 bitcoins demanded at or over 50.0 USD, worth 1648930.43267 USD in total. | Data vintage: 5.7436 seconds [15:22]
ChaangNoi pgp doubt it [15:22]
ChaangNoi ;;bids 50.0001 [15:22]
gribble There are currently 22950.793 bitcoins demanded at or over 50.0001 USD, worth 1295934.3161 USD in total. | Data vintage: 27.9335 seconds [15:22]
MJR_ pgp: huh? [15:23]
MJR_ i liked the insanity wolf image macro [15:23]
pgp mjr - what you were saying last night about orchestrated selling [15:23]
ChaangNoi my bitcoinity now shows a low of 60? wtf? [15:23]
pgp yep [15:23]
Scrat massive dumps and goxlag [15:23]
pgp 60 gone [15:24]
MJR_ http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3tsbo3/ [15:24]
pgp there goes the neighborhood [15:24]
farfi almost time to buy :) [15:24]
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thestringpuller ;;bc,24hprc [15:24]
gribble 89.99 [15:24]
pigeons http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sFhgfA1G2Uw [15:24]
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ChaangNoi ;;ticker [15:25]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 57.12120, Best ask: 58.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.87880, Last trade: 57.12120, 24 hour volume: 313449.17648717, 24 hour low: 58.00000, 24 hour high: 158.27517, 24 hour vwap: 91.00931 [15:25]
pgp pigeons - funny! [15:25]
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pgp i wonder what going on with the exante folks right now... [15:29]
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pgp ;;bids 0 [15:33]
gribble There are currently 46973788 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 7417988.25877 USD in total. | Data vintage: 72.1237 seconds [15:33]
gesell pgp: getting lots of free BJ's from max keiser [15:33]
gesell im sure [15:33]
MJR_ lol [15:33]
pgp lol [15:33]
MJR_ short at 56.30 :) [15:34]
pgp a lot of coin sold in last half hour [15:34]
pgp 80k? [15:34]
ChaangNoi yeah, insane [15:34]
KRS1 gonna stop at 56? [15:35]
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KRS1 no $30? lol anyone seen the order books [15:35]
ChaangNoi 64 again lol [15:35]
ChaangNoi these guys can only sell so many coins, they cant naked short like they do with silver [15:35]
assbot [MPEX] [O.USD.P089T] 1 @ 1.50413736 BTC [+] [15:36]
pgp can't go *straight* down... but these feels like a dead cat bounce... the guys bying 80 an hour ago will take the opportunity to sell... [15:37]
Scrat we think we should not be angry at gox, but instead be thanking it [15:37]
Scrat for allowing natural selection to continue [15:37]
assbot [MPEX] [O.USD.P089T] 5 @ 1.78 = 8.9 BTC [+] [15:38]
pgp lol [15:38]
pgp social darwinism at its best [15:38]
pgp problem with crashes is that at so many points along the way, it looks like a buy, but it's not... [15:39]
joecool ;;goxlag [15:40]
joecool lollll [15:40]
TomServo aaand it's dead [15:40]
deadweasel lol yeah, poor bugpowder, bought all the way down... :( [15:40]
joecool again [15:40]
gribble Error: Problem retrieving gox lag. Try again later. [15:41]
joecool ^^ lol [15:41]
Scrat new 50x machine is so fast it accidentally traded with the future causing a casuality violation [15:41]
Scrat causality* [15:41]
pgp lol [15:42]
farfi does thatmean the coins evaporate? [15:42]
pgp I think they turn in Magic: the gathering playing cards... [15:43]
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alex12 when is asicminer.pt going to kick in with thier asic's? [15:43]
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alex12 10TH/d s ++ is what im reading - this true? [15:43]
alex12 10TH/s ++ [15:43]
MJR_ lag is over 200 seconds now [15:44]
MJR_ ;;goxloag [15:44]
gribble Error: "goxloag" is not a valid command. [15:44]
MJR_ ;;goxlag [15:44]
taub gox'd [15:44]
pgp wow - gox is dead in the water - again... [15:44]
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MJR_ ;;goxlaglag [15:44]
gribble Error: "goxlaglag" is not a valid command. [15:44]
MJR_ LOL [15:44]
MJR_ sure it's not gribble [15:44]
pgp looks like we have to russian again for price discovery... [15:46]
thestringman ;;seen smickles [15:46]
gribble smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 0 days, 21 hours, 3 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: a bitcoin atm could be the easiest way to send money to a friend, each of you just goes to an atm [15:46]
gribble Error: Problem retrieving gox lag. Try again later. [15:46]
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KRS1 ;;gribble wtf man [15:47]
gribble yes I am gribble. why do you keep bothering me? [15:47]
KRS1 sorry [15:47]
Scrat back to the trollbox everyone [15:47]
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gesell ;;ticker [15:49]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 67.00001, Best ask: 69.00000, Bid-ask spread: 1.99999, Last trade: 67.00001, 24 hour volume: 329726.38134032, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 149.00000, 24 hour vwap: 88.67769 [15:49]
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ChaangNoi 70 [15:50]
alex12 ;;help [15:50]
gribble The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/ [15:50]
alex12 !help [15:51]
assbot List of commands: [15:51]
assbot !ticker (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t} [15:51]
assbot !last (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l} [15:51]
assbot !mp (desc: returns the response from MPEX order) [15:51]
assbot !rules (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r} [15:51]
assbot !exchanges (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e} [15:51]
alex12 uh oh [15:51]
ChaangNoi lol [15:51]
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ChaangNoi Am is back up, to normal price nice [15:52]
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ChaangNoi btc = 78 [15:54]
ChaangNoi what acrazy roller coaster [15:54]
pgp going up on light volume - just wait [15:56]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7252 BTC [-] [15:57]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7251 BTC [-] [15:57]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.725 BTC [-] [15:57]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.721 BTC [-] [15:57]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7201 BTC [-] [15:57]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.72 = 2.16 BTC [-] [15:57]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.71 = 2.13 BTC [-] [15:57]
ChaangNoi will be interesting to see it eat the wall at 80, was 5k [15:58]
pgp i agree that would be convincing... [15:58]
pgp still think more selling to come [15:59]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.70111 BTC [-] [15:59]
damientrog what no more put options available?! :) [16:00]
KRS1 i'm with you pgp [16:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.36599939 BTC [+] [16:02]
pgp ;;bids 60 [16:02]
gribble There are currently 11347.452 bitcoins demanded at or over 60.0 USD, worth 692876.202568 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0033 seconds [16:02]
KRS1 ;;asks 60 [16:02]
gribble There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 60.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 10.2119 seconds [16:02]
KRS1 huh [16:02]
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pgp rope a dope [16:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.36599939 BTC [+] [16:05]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.397 = 0.794 BTC [+] [16:07]
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MJR_ bitfinex can be lame [16:10]
MJR_ their book is so thin [16:11]
MJR_ that when they all of a sudden announce "no gox routing" [16:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 180 @ 0.00069963 = 0.1259 BTC [+] [16:11]
MJR_ your position changes dramatically [16:11]
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kakobrekla you accually use that site ? [16:12]
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ThickAsThieves ;;nethash [16:13]
gribble 66225.2957147 [16:13]
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ThickAsThieves ;;estimate [16:16]
gribble Next difficulty estimate | 9061123.52326 based on data since last change | 9251425.76873 based on data for last three days [16:16]
MJR_ wonder whats going in miners world [16:18]
ThickAsThieves lets hope the keep it together [16:19]
ThickAsThieves and stick with the plan [16:19]
joecool minin errday [16:19]
ThickAsThieves mining is a foundation factor in btc price [16:19]
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MJR_ yeah [16:21]
MJR_ but the price is changing profitability numbers [16:21]
MJR_ and exchanges fucking up is hurting their liquidity [16:21]
gribble There are currently 7586.0915 bitcoins offered at or under 80.0 USD, worth 574725.436367 USD in total. | Data vintage: 243.1423 seconds [16:22]
pgp gox dead? [16:22]
ThickAsThieves ya [16:23]
ThickAsThieves back [16:23]
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ThickAsThieves meanwhile people still betting away at sdice [16:25]
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pgp lol [16:28]
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lippoper1 lol [16:28]
lippoper1 tiberiusiv, where will the price stabilize? [16:29]
pgp not here [16:29]
lippoper1 in Japan? [16:29]
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pgp bitfloor looks like it's down again... [16:29]
lippoper1 Strap your seatbelts, we're going down again, sell off [16:29]
pgp yep [16:30]
KRS1 lipppppPOP [16:31]
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taub wow all exchanges down [16:31]
KRS1 ;;gribble where will the price stabilize? [16:31]
gribble yes I am gribble. why do you keep bothering me? [16:31]
KRS1 hasnt had his coffee yet? [16:31]
joecool :- [16:32]
taub depends when he started buying [16:32]
joecool he prob dyde [16:32]
joecool well at worst, he's probably fucked himself on 3 or 4 paychecks only [16:33]
joecool considering timeframes and where price is [16:33]
joecool my last major buy in was at $30 so i'm ok with prices being where they're at [16:34]
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joecool my target was ~$70 [16:34]
joecool then everyone got crazy [16:34]
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joecool i did sell a bit at $140 and again at $240, so at this point i could have it drop to 0 and not care [16:35]
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lippoper1 party is over [16:37]
lippoper1 surprised it's stabilising at ~70 [16:37]
kakobrekla ;;seen jurov [16:40]
gribble jurov was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 18 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: no help there, i guess [16:40]
lippoper1 so [16:40]
lippoper1 if there are no bids, the price must rise or drop? [16:41]
pizzaman1337 ;;ticker [16:41]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 69.97336, Best ask: 70.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.02664, Last trade: 70.00000, 24 hour volume: 336060.23220623, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 85.28347 [16:41]
lippoper1 that's what I thought too, but I've seen weirder between yesterday and today [16:41]
gribble There are currently 16889.34 bitcoins offered at or under 100.0 USD, worth 1435165.93254 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0031 seconds [16:41]
gribble There are currently 34051.827 bitcoins demanded at or over 50.0 USD, worth 1939351.7359 USD in total. | Data vintage: 11.6362 seconds [16:42]
lippoper1 ;;goxlag [16:42]
gribble MtGox lag is 60.589218 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.121420114481 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ten times between Jupiter and Callisto (0.12567 AU). [16:42]
lippoper1 gox is lagged, that means price will drop [16:42]
lippoper1 lol [16:42]
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lippoper1 it's gearing up for a drop right now [16:45]
lippoper1 would you agree tiberius? [16:45]
lippoper1 hehe [16:45]
KRS1 ;;asks 67 [16:46]
gribble There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 67.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0025 seconds [16:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00069424 = 4.8597 BTC [-] [16:51]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7549 BTC [+] [17:00]
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thestringdude ;;seen mod6 [17:01]
gribble mod6 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 10 hours, 27 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: http://youtu.be/wzQM-tLIz9M << music my gf humms to me when i tell her that gox has gone down [17:01]
pizzaman1337 heh, btc-e is using cloudflare now [17:01]
thestringdude ;;goxlag [17:01]
gribble MtGox lag is 1.256375 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00251776143292 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from Earth to Moon (0.00257 AU). [17:01]
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thestringdude All cheap coins just got bought up [17:02]
thestringdude Boooo [17:02]
ThickAsThieves now would be a great time for someone to click the Buy $1m button a few times [17:02]
ThickAsThieves downtrend finally broke [17:03]
thestringdude Does anyone still do business with smickles? [17:03]
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thestringdude ;;seeb smickles [17:04]
gribble Error: "seeb" is not a valid command. [17:04]
thestringdude ;;seen smickles [17:04]
gribble smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 0 days, 22 hours, 21 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: a bitcoin atm could be the easiest way to send money to a friend, each of you just goes to an atm [17:04]
ThickAsThieves i dont even know what business he does [17:04]
thestringdude :O [17:04]
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joecool ;;last [17:04]
gribble [08:04:18] :O [17:04]
alex12 when all the ASIC's land from avalon, what would the expected difficulty be? [17:04]
joecool ask BCB, i told him to keep shining a crystal ball [17:05]
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Cylta alex12: avalon hash power * amount of avalons + current hashrate. [17:05]
thestringdude :( he is a broker but sometimes takes unexpected leave. He is probably profiting on the volatility. [17:05]
thestringdude But I am locked from my account. [17:05]
thestringdude Lol [17:05]
thestringdude ;;ticker [17:06]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 81.60000, Best ask: 82.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.40000, Last trade: 81.60000, 24 hour volume: 344493.53429010, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 84.08093 [17:06]
thestringdude ;;asks 83 [17:06]
gribble There are currently 2212.4906 bitcoins offered at or under 83.0 USD, worth 178085.831235 USD in total. | Data vintage: 110.5263 seconds [17:06]
thestringdude ;;bids 80 [17:06]
gribble There are currently 116.80199 bitcoins demanded at or over 80.0 USD, worth 9344.15952 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0071 seconds [17:06]
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bitesak ;;ticker [17:08]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 80.00000, Best ask: 80.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.50000, Last trade: 80.00000, 24 hour volume: 345297.93796984, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 83.99958 [17:08]
thestringdude ;;ticker [17:09]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 80.00000, Best ask: 80.63032, Bid-ask spread: 0.63032, Last trade: 80.63032, 24 hour volume: 345297.93796984, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 83.99958 [17:09]
jurov thestringdude, maybe you're using wrong broker then :P [17:09]
gribble There are currently 9890.3521 bitcoins offered at or under 100.0 USD, worth 918182.560604 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0026 seconds [17:09]
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thestringdude Am I jurov? As I recall you charge 1.3 btc a year :P i guess in consideration, that = 1 mpex account in about 20 years [17:11]
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thestringdude Okay perhaps we shall talk soon. [17:11]
thestringdude :P [17:11]
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thestringdude !ticker m ^OIX [17:12]
assbot [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 123.90251552 / 218.88143499 / 226.22012381 (14550 shares, 2,478.62 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC) [17:12]
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thestringdude The bulls will wake up soon [17:12]
thestringdude Damn. [17:12]
thestringdude smickles cyprus'ed me [17:13]
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thestringdude !ticker m s.mpoe [17:14]
assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00067363 / 0.00069461 / 0.00071795 (397326 shares, 275.99 BTC), 7D: 0.00063322 / 0.00068844 / 0.00071795 (1922595 shares, 1,323.61 BTC), 30D: 0.00059218 / 0.00068816 / 0.00077505 (9962088 shares, 6,855.60 BTC) [17:14]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 11 @ 0.00386 = 0.0425 BTC [+] [17:14]
thestringdude !ticker h him [17:14]
jurov lol dunno how much mircea will be asking in 20 years [17:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK:HIM] 1D: 1.20000000 / 1.3574 / 1.65000000 (50 shares, 67.87000000 BTC), 7D: 0.75000001 / 1.46804495 / 1.93000000 (287 shares, 421.32890011 BTC), 30D: 0.75000001 / 1.73321281 / 2.08000000 (812 shares, 1407.36880041 BTC) [17:14]
thestringdude Exactlt [17:14]
thestringdude Which is why we will talk [17:14]
thestringdude ;;getrating jurov [17:14]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User jurov, rated since Fri Jan 20 16:16:32 2012. Cumulative rating 14, from 16 total ratings. Received ratings: 15 positive, 1 negative. Sent ratings: 10 positive, 1 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=jurov [17:14]
thestringdude Why is there no message for smickles rating of you? [17:15]
jurov um, i should prolly ask rating on every withdrawal like mp does [17:15]
jurov oh, he was out of words [17:16]
thestringdude Yeah your withdrawal fees are too high [17:16]
thestringdude .01 da fuuuuuq? [17:16]
thestringdude My roaming ATM charges less :P [17:16]
jurov it's not wallet, ya know [17:16]
jurov nor atm [17:16]
ThickAsThieves string, why not get your own account? [17:17]
thestringdude But also .01 transfer yo [17:17]
thestringdude I was working on that [17:17]
ThickAsThieves ive been in this chan for like 4 mos, and smickles was absent most of it [17:17]
thestringdude Usagi owes me 18 coin [17:17]
thestringdude Smickles has 3.71 of it paid out plus another 10 [17:17]
ThickAsThieves guy seems great, but i dunno why youd want a broker that was rarely around [17:18]
joecool lol [17:18]
thestringdude He used to be around all the time [17:18]
ThickAsThieves how many mos need to pass for you to change your outlook? [17:18]
ThickAsThieves he hasnt even had his baby yet [17:18]
thestringdude Sends monthly statements and was around to capture options instantly like Bugpowder sometimes does for me. [17:19]
ThickAsThieves sry i dont mean to berate you [17:19]
ThickAsThieves just feel bad [17:19]
thestringdude Um he is highly rated. [17:19]
thestringdude Its just he has been playing too much kerbal space program... [17:19]
ThickAsThieves i didnt argue that [17:19]
thestringdude Its as addictive as btc [17:19]
ThickAsThieves btc is more adictive than any game i ever got stuck on, so i'm not even gonna google kerbal [17:20]
ThickAsThieves hehe [17:20]
unbalanced jurov's wd fee is 0.1 BTC, no? Not the end of the world as I agree it's not a wallet, not meant for penny (er, satoshi) pinching arb trades. [17:20]
unbalanced Addictive as hell, agreed [17:21]
jurov yes 0.1 [17:21]
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unbalanced Do you have minimum account sizes? I guess not since a user can 0 the account to put it on hold. [17:22]
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jurov only on beginning you have to deposit 1 BTC, after that you can have anything you like there [17:22]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.397 BTC [+] [17:23]
ThickAsThieves what happens if there is no btc when fees are levied? [17:23]
ThickAsThieves negative balance? [17:23]
jurov but if you keep negative balance too long (due to monthly fee) then we'll have to resolve it somehow [17:23]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 5 @ 0.00386 = 0.0193 BTC [+] [17:23]
ThickAsThieves cool [17:23]
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thestringdude Lol is that a reference to me :( [17:24]
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thestringdude !ticker m s.dice [17:25]
assbot [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.0027 / 0.00320359 / 0.00373333 (72712 shares, 232.94 BTC), 7D: 0.0027 / 0.00293113 / 0.00373333 (283173 shares, 830.02 BTC), 30D: 0.0027 / 0.00348895 / 0.00599987 (1833964 shares, 6,398.61 BTC) [17:25]
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thestringdude !ticker h him [17:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK:HIM] 1D: 1.20000000 / 1.3574 / 1.65000000 (50 shares, 67.87000000 BTC), 7D: 0.75000001 / 1.46488035 / 1.93000000 (285 shares, 417.49090011 BTC), 30D: 0.75000001 / 1.73321281 / 2.08000000 (812 shares, 1407.36880041 BTC) [17:25]
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thestringdude ;;bc,24hprc [17:26]
gribble 81.91 [17:26]
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assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01019 BTC [+] [17:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00069424 = 3.61 BTC [-] [17:34]
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ThickAsThieves question about mpex listings on website [17:34]
ThickAsThieves by the options, there are cells [17:34]
ThickAsThieves the first ones show current asks/bids [17:34]
ThickAsThieves the next colum shows las price [17:34]
lippoper1 .01 sales flooding the orderbook, lagging and bringing the price down ;-) [17:35]
ThickAsThieves 3rd column is? [17:35]
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pizzaman1337 ThickAsThieves: it says at the top... [17:35]
ThickAsThieves right [17:36]
ThickAsThieves but is it weighted [17:36]
ThickAsThieves or just a strict top and bottom [17:36]
ThickAsThieves i'm trying to see if there's any way [17:36]
ThickAsThieves to calculate profit of bonds [17:36]
ThickAsThieves but i'm thinking no [17:36]
ThickAsThieves likem looking at O.USD.P200T [17:37]
ThickAsThieves it shows 1.45892277 as the max [17:37]
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ThickAsThieves then qty 9`375 [17:37]
ThickAsThieves beside it [17:37]
ThickAsThieves is that 13677.40096875 btc spent? [17:38]
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ThickAsThieves or just no way to know [17:39]
ThickAsThieves those puts either lost or made a bunch of btc [17:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.39 = 1.17 BTC [-] [17:41]
jurov ThickAsThieves, you don't know the price what these 9`375 were bought or sold for [17:42]
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ThickAsThieves thx [17:42]
jurov and exercises aren't shown publicly at all.. so no guessing possible [17:42]
ThickAsThieves indeed [17:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 8 @ 0.38 = 3.04 BTC [-] [17:43]
lippoper1 ;;goxlag [17:44]
pgp gox hosed again? [17:44]
lippoper1 I think so [17:44]
lippoper1 Stuck at stalemate $76.75 [17:44]
pgp can't get to gox website... [17:45]
lippoper1 but isee no reason for it not to drop further into 70's [17:45]
lippoper1 great [17:45]
pgp lower [17:45]
lippoper1 stupid .01 btc floods [17:45]
pgp bot [17:45]
lippoper1 yeah, multiple [17:45]
lippoper1 they are really hammering their system [17:45]
gribble Error: Problem retrieving gox lag. Try again later. [17:45]
lippoper1 I don't know why Gox doesn't implement a minimum requirement for API trading [17:46]
pgp agreed... [17:46]
pgp and free trading for two days creates more problems for them [17:46]
lippoper1 back and to 73.6 [17:46]
lippoper1 ;;goxlag [17:47]
pgp woosh [17:47]
jcpham ;;ticker --avg [17:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00069424 = 2.6381 BTC [-] [17:47]
gribble MtGox lag is 7.893106 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0158176960484 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin one full loop along the orbit of the Moon around Earth (0.016 AU). [17:47]
gribble Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later. [17:48]
thestringdude ;;ticker [17:51]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 73.59439, Best ask: 74.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.40561, Last trade: 74.00000, 24 hour volume: 361168.20410729, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 83.71417 [17:51]
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thestringdude ;;bc,24hprc [17:52]
gribble 81.80 [17:52]
jcpham ;;bc,stats [17:52]
gribble Current Blocks: 231000 | Current Difficulty: 7672999.920164138 | Next Difficulty At Block: 231839 | Next Difficulty In: 839 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 21 hours, 45 minutes, and 15 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 9121259.39971 | Estimated Percent Change: 18.87475 [17:52]
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jcpham price has to follow that difficulty of bitcoin is doomed [17:52]
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mircea_popescu lol [17:54]
thestringdude To 10 million [17:54]
thestringdude Those june futures is looking pretty sweet [17:54]
ThickAsThieves sounds like friedcat is gearing up some hashes [17:55]
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ThickAsThieves https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg1816098#msg1816098 [17:58]
pgp so hard to read the tape right now.. [17:59]
unbalanced What's the Intrinsic Value calc on an mpex put? (strike - vwap) / 1 ? [17:59]
jurov yes. just strike - vwap . [18:00]
mircea_popescu in dollars yea [18:00]
unbalanced Gotcha, makes sense. So exercise is almost always better than selling to the bot. [18:00]
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mircea_popescu up until recejntly selling to the bot was always better [18:00]
mircea_popescu but it's gone crazy with the volatility. [18:01]
unbalanced Right I'd heard that one was better but couldn't remember which, so I was confused. [18:01]
mircea_popescu i guess in spite of everything i'm goping to have to make changes to it. [18:01]
unbalanced So option holders, remember to check both prices (sell and exercise) before you do one or the other out of habit! [18:02]
MJR_ what has the best charts? [18:02]
lippoper1 crashed again [18:02]
lippoper1 ;;goxlag [18:02]
gribble MtGox lag is 1.470043 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00294594971258 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from Jupiter to its third largest moon, Io (0.002819 AU). [18:02]
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pgp more unpleasantness on the way [18:03]
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unbalanced unpleasantness as in gox downtime, or price drops? [18:04]
ThickAsThieves one in the same no? [18:04]
unbalanced heh [18:04]
pgp both [18:04]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 1 @ 0.0021 BTC [+] [18:05]
lippoper1 yay back [18:05]
lippoper1 at 70 [18:05]
lippoper1 got filled when it dipped to 69, I'm sure it'll go lower though [18:05]
lippoper1 stupid lag [18:05]
unbalanced I think I may take up Ultimate Fighting after all this is through, as I'll miss getting punched in the face by the market [18:05]
lippoper1 looks like new temporary floor at 68 [18:06]
thestringdude ;;ticker [18:06]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 71.04147, Best ask: 71.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.45853, Last trade: 71.50000, 24 hour volume: 369368.13969566, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 83.45432 [18:06]
thestringdude ;;asks 85 [18:06]
gribble There are currently 10128.579 bitcoins offered at or under 85.0 USD, worth 805040.60529 USD in total. | Data vintage: 82.4081 seconds [18:06]
lippoper1 we're going back up lol [18:07]
pgp ;;bids 50 [18:07]
gribble There are currently 48379.75 bitcoins demanded at or over 50.0 USD, worth 2803769.86843 USD in total. | Data vintage: 101.1060 seconds [18:07]
lippoper1 ;;bids 71 [18:07]
gribble There are currently 32.186782 bitcoins demanded at or over 71.0 USD, worth 2285.51774436 USD in total. | Data vintage: 106.1531 seconds [18:07]
thestringdude ;;ticker [18:07]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 69.02000, Best ask: 71.45000, Bid-ask spread: 2.43000, Last trade: 69.02000, 24 hour volume: 369389.32445743, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 83.45363 [18:07]
lippoper1 ;;asks 77 [18:07]
gribble There are currently 2876.6926 bitcoins offered at or under 77.0 USD, worth 218426.498028 USD in total. | Data vintage: 117.2500 seconds [18:07]
thestringdude Nope down for a second [18:07]
thestringdude Get ready to buy tho lol [18:07]
lippoper1 getting warmed up [18:07]
lippoper1 to sell actually lol [18:08]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.35 = 0.7 BTC [-] [18:09]
thestringdude ;;ticker [18:09]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 69.87000, Best ask: 69.99998, Bid-ask spread: 0.12998, Last trade: 69.99998, 24 hour volume: 370043.08884897, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 83.42992 [18:09]
thestringdude ;;bc,24hprc [18:09]
gribble 81.66 [18:09]
thestringdude !ticker m ^OIX [18:09]
assbot [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 123.90251552 / 218.88143499 / 226.22012381 (14550 shares, 2,478.62 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC) [18:09]
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thestringdude ;;ticker [18:15]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 75.00000, Best ask: 75.40000, Bid-ask spread: 0.40000, Last trade: 75.40000, 24 hour volume: 372625.87035167, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 83.34320 [18:15]
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pgp you know - i really think that this "no trading fees" thing at gox is actually creating even more problems... [18:18]
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pgp now it cost nothing to colude with others to create wash sales [18:19]
pgp painting the tape is what we call it... [18:19]
MJR_ wait gox has no fees right now? [18:20]
pgp for next day and a half [18:20]
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mircea_popescu pgp that is an issue. [18:20]
pgp no barrier to manipulation now... [18:20]
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thestringdude ;;ticker [18:20]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 73.35630, Best ask: 74.59264, Bid-ask spread: 1.23634, Last trade: 73.35630, 24 hour volume: 374649.74877586, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 83.29169 [18:20]
mircea_popescu moreover [18:21]
thestringdude No manipulation is still there [18:21]
mircea_popescu they're trying to create the imprerssion volume is still there. [18:21]
MJR_ no BARRIER to manipulation [18:21]
ThickAsThieves nasically no matter what level the price reaches, itll be worked back and forth by a $10 spread [18:21]
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pgp mp: i think you're right [18:22]
ThickAsThieves itll take aggressive action to push it in any direction [18:22]
pgp makes real price discovery that much harder [18:22]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.36 = 1.44 BTC [-] [18:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.3501 BTC [-] [18:23]
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pgp also with no fees, market making bots can just flood the system with orders, making things worse... [18:23]
splnkr hmmm..all this spasmodic behavior by gox is kind of a testament to the folly of meddling with money markets, which is what i thought bitcoin was designed to discourage [18:23]
pgp gox... fucking retards... [18:23]
ThickAsThieves at this point we can only call them dumb for so many offenses, it has crossed into intentional [18:24]
splnkr what we need is a decentralized set of regional exchanges that are all "glued" together in terms of fund transfer, with standardized API's, etc, so arbitrage can be performed and people can use them [18:24]
ThickAsThieves these arent mistakes they are making [18:24]
ThickAsThieves no one makes that many [18:24]
pgp splnkr: yes... I am a big advocate of such a thing... [18:25]
pgp unfortunately such a system is only as strong as it's weakest link... [18:25]
pgp its [18:25]
splnkr cool pgp just to be clear when i said 'people can use them' i meant people can go from one to the other and not have a whole new learning curve again for the basic deposit/withdrawal processes [18:25]
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splnkr i.e., Dwolla [18:26]
splnkr lol [18:26]
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pgp i hear you... [18:26]
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pgp the whole thing is soooo fragmented right now... [18:27]
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ThickAsThieves wall st about to pop too maybe [18:27]
pgp not so long as FED keeps buying assets... [18:28]
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pgp fiat asset bubble is just starting [18:28]
pgp again... [18:28]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13124 @ 0.00069963 = 9.1819 BTC [+] [18:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7976 @ 0.00070057 = 5.5877 BTC [+] [18:29]
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KRS1 volatility huh [18:29]
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damientrog man, what a day [18:30]
pgp gold getting SMACKED today... [18:30]
bitesak ;;ticker [18:30]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 73.80000, Best ask: 73.80001, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 73.80001, 24 hour volume: 376604.16676873, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 83.23934 [18:30]
damientrog some must made a ton of money out of this histeria [18:31]
KRS1 fo sho [18:33]
Diablo-D3 http://tapastic.com/episode/3686 [18:33]
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pgp gox market is behaving very strangely... definately something unusual/artificial... Call me crazy, but just not passing the smell test for me right now... [18:35]
damientrog already 2 bastards that didn't pay their transactions on bitcoin.de [18:35]
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mircea_popescu pgp and oil and silver [18:36]
pgp indeed [18:37]
damientrog it's like a buying frenzy for inflated currency [18:37]
pgp what do you mean? [18:37]
damientrog well why sell your gold, bitcoin, silver? [18:37]
damientrog for dollars are euros that you know are being inflated heavily [18:38]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [18:38]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 73.95835, Best ask: 73.98000, Bid-ask spread: 0.02165, Last trade: 73.95835, 24 hour volume: 378171.43939828, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 83.20200 [18:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5674 @ 0.00070057 = 3.975 BTC [+] [18:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4604 @ 0.00070081 = 3.2265 BTC [+] [18:39]
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thestringpuller ;;seen smickles [18:40]
gribble smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 0 days, 23 hours, 57 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: a bitcoin atm could be the easiest way to send money to a friend, each of you just goes to an atm [18:40]
thestringpuller ;;seen jurov [18:40]
gribble jurov was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 40 minutes and 7 seconds ago: yes. just strike - vwap . [18:40]
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Chilca Good morning mircea_popescu [18:44]
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mircea_popescu hey Chilca [18:49]
ThickAsThieves HFT bots taking over? [18:50]
pgp i think so... [18:50]
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ThickAsThieves ugh we need the fees back [18:51]
ThickAsThieves and order fees [18:51]
damientrog any idea what's going on bitcoin-24.com? [18:51]
pgp my feeling is that it's getting ready to break to the downside, though... [18:51]
ThickAsThieves mo, would you mind click the Buy $1m button a couple times? [18:52]
pgp activity for last 1/2 hour just seems... odd... [18:52]
ThickAsThieves clicking* [18:52]
ThickAsThieves mp* [18:52]
ThickAsThieves i think humans are waiting for a shift before taking action [18:53]
ThickAsThieves but bots are making too much money from the people who arent [18:53]
thestringpuller ;;bc,24hprc [18:53]
gribble 81.53 [18:53]
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ThickAsThieves we need whales to take action [18:54]
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KRS1 ;;bids 32 [18:55]
gribble There are currently 113783.17 bitcoins demanded at or over 32.0 USD, worth 5511237.11861 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0049 seconds [18:55]
KRS1 ;;bids 50 [18:55]
gribble There are currently 52162.042 bitcoins demanded at or over 50.0 USD, worth 3057415.9691 USD in total. | Data vintage: 6.3262 seconds [18:55]
pgp they have to turn the fees back on! this is totally artificial [18:55]
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KRS1 ;;bids 57 [18:55]
gribble There are currently 30163.221 bitcoins demanded at or over 57.0 USD, worth 1904811.61423 USD in total. | Data vintage: 21.5855 seconds [18:55]
KRS1 thanks gribble [18:56]
thestringpuller ;;ticker [18:56]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 71.50000, Best ask: 71.89000, Bid-ask spread: 0.39000, Last trade: 71.50000, 24 hour volume: 382755.81915148, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 83.07081 [18:56]
thestringpuller ;;market buy 200 [18:56]
gribble A market order to buy 200 bitcoins right now would take 14406.8631 USD and would take the last price up to 72.4000 USD, resulting in an average price of 72.0343 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 45.5410 seconds [18:56]
jborkl ;;tslb [18:56]
gribble Time since last block: 25 minutes and 57 seconds [18:56]
thestringpuller ;;market buy 1000 [18:56]
gribble A market order to buy 1000 bitcoins right now would take 72536.2371 USD and would take the last price up to 72.8415 USD, resulting in an average price of 72.5362 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 53.2205 seconds [18:56]
thestringpuller ;;nethash [18:56]
gribble 66244.078428 [18:56]
Scrat inb4 gox PR boasting about their new record volume [18:56]
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KRS1 what mp does this all point to ya think [18:56]
MJR_ see...this is typical gox [18:57]
mircea_popescu ya they've accomplished it [18:57]
KRS1 maybe we're done for today [18:57]
MJR_ do the exact opposite of what would make sense [18:57]
MJR_ too many orders? incentivize more [18:57]
taub the btce volime died off quickly after gox was back :/ [18:57]
KRS1 yeah, weird that it works out that way [18:57]
MJR_ its super simple, you need to filter [18:57]
MJR_ based on whatever metric you care to use [18:57]
pgp ride isn't over yet... [18:57]
KRS1 folks trade at gox and stop trading at btce [18:57]
taub of course [18:58]
taub 0% fee is nice but eh [18:58]
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taub who knows when they shut it down again for "cooldown" [18:58]
Scrat 0 fees is a dick move [18:58]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7545 BTC [-] [18:59]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7547 BTC [+] [18:59]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7548 BTC [+] [18:59]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.755 = 2.265 BTC [+] [18:59]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.759 BTC [+] [18:59]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7599 BTC [+] [19:00]
pgp 0 fees is just plain dumb... [19:00]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.76 = 1.52 BTC [+] [19:00]
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pgp just drop it .2% or something - making it free just makes things worse [19:00]
taub why? [19:01]
taub love it [19:01]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.76 = 7.6 BTC [+] [19:01]
mircea_popescu pgp they have absoluterly no idea what any of the buttons do,. [19:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3673 @ 0.00070739 = 2.5982 BTC [+] [19:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.0007091 = 1.2764 BTC [+] [19:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00071208 = 1.7802 BTC [+] [19:02]
mircea_popescu buncha kids from the retarded kindergarten got into a boeing, are having fun [19:02]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.76 = 2.28 BTC [+] [19:02]
pgp logjam now unjammed... [19:04]
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Tritonio anyone here has got BITBOND bonds? [19:05]
pigeons Tritonio: i think Namworld holds a bit and amazingrando owes him a bit [19:06]
mircea_popescu ya im pretty sure namworld had a good chunk [19:07]
Tritonio well i theory that was a loan, not BITBOND bonds. I was actually looking for some of the people that actually had BITBOND. The ones that are supposed to be contacted by amazingrando to discuss about BITBOND-ASIC. I was going to ask if they ever got contacted by him about that. [19:07]
ThickAsThieves ugh, this is gonna get worse [19:07]
ThickAsThieves we're back on downtrend [19:08]
ThickAsThieves no one wants to buy into asks [19:08]
ThickAsThieves so down we go [19:08]
taub pop pop [19:08]
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taub it had a chance to bounce from 70 to 99, but didnt happen :) [19:08]
ThickAsThieves yep [19:08]
ThickAsThieves no to 60 [19:08]
ThickAsThieves now* [19:08]
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mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=174549.msg1816764#msg1816764 this was 6 hours ago. [19:08]
mircea_popescu 6 hours later ? mtgox volume + 100k on usd alone [19:09]
mircea_popescu and all other exchanges slightly under what they were. [19:09]
mircea_popescu bitcoin ppl are totally retarded wtf. [19:09]
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ThickAsThieves now watch these bid walls dodge the knife [19:10]
pgp right... [19:10]
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pgp looks like i'm eating lunch at my desk... [19:10]
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Guest42002 mircea_popescu: why is the bot not quoting? [19:12]
taub http://images.4chan.org/g/src/1365782921314.jpg mtgox headquarters [19:12]
ThickAsThieves check it out! Gox needs to turn fees back on [19:12]
ThickAsThieves oops [19:12]
ThickAsThieves wrong paste [19:12]
ThickAsThieves https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg1819469#msg1819469 [19:13]
mircea_popescu Guest42002 probably charts failed to reply to it [19:13]
ThickAsThieves there ya go [19:13]
Guest42002 bitcoin-charts ? [19:13]
Guest42002 $avg [19:13]
mpexbot Guest42002: 81.53 [19:13]
Guest42002 that's up so what's going on? [19:13]
Guest42002 :( [19:13]
ThickAsThieves 300MHs usb miner! [19:13]
ThickAsThieves how fucking cool [19:13]
mircea_popescu Guest42002 i have no idea. [19:13]
Guest42002 but you run the bot [19:14]
mircea_popescu but you have to understand how the web works. [19:14]
mircea_popescu the fact that a site answers to you doens't mean it answers everyone else. [19:14]
mircea_popescu the facvt that it doesn't answer to you still doesn't mean it's not answering to everyone else. [19:14]
Guest42002 yes, but the bot is always up usually, he's been down a lot more :( [19:14]
mircea_popescu the web is the web. [19:14]
mircea_popescu well, most of bitcoin infrastructure was always up usually [19:14]
mircea_popescu except when stuff is happening. [19:15]
ThickAsThieves asicminer developed a 300MHs sub powered mining gizmo [19:15]
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pizzaman1337 and when stuff is happening is when people want to trade [19:15]
ThickAsThieves they are gonna sell like mad [19:15]
ThickAsThieves usb-powered [19:15]
Guest42002 ;;ticker [19:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17015 @ 0.0007195 = 12.2423 BTC [+] [19:15]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 67.80000, Best ask: 68.90000, Bid-ask spread: 1.10000, Last trade: 68.90000, 24 hour volume: 388885.47870841, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 82.85309 [19:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15835 @ 0.00072 = 11.4012 BTC [+] [19:15]
Diablo-D3 http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/04/12/it-made-sense-yesterday-the-libertarian-party-is-accepting-donations-in-bitcoin/ [19:16]
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Guest42002 mircea_popescu: so why aren't you troubleshooting? [19:16]
mircea_popescu what'd i do ? [19:16]
ThickAsThieves http://i.imgur.com/pzAootC.jpg?1 [19:17]
mircea_popescu bitcoinchaerts just gave me a 504 [19:17]
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ThickAsThieves i'm not sure friedcat can ever be doubted again after this, now i'm a fanboi [19:18]
Guest42002 lol oh mircea_popescu in the fact it says a couple of hours at most? [19:18]
Guest42002 faq* [19:18]
Guest42002 wow [19:18]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves it does read pretty nice. [19:19]
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mircea_popescu Guest42002 "Last revision : February the 6th, 2013." [19:19]
mircea_popescu i guess it will have to be revised. som,ethiong like [19:19]
ThickAsThieves its like the perfect solution to 51% concerns too [19:20]
mircea_popescu "Bitcoin mostly consists of retards, MtGox is a piece of shit, nothing useful can be made in this space and if you try people will ask you why is everyone else retarded" [19:20]
ThickAsThieves every bitcoiner should own at least one usb miner [19:20]
error4733 ThickAs... TAKE MY BITCOOOOOOOOOOOOOOIN [19:20]
Guest42002 ThickAsThieves: but are they going to be sold onthe market? [19:20]
ThickAsThieves ^^^ [19:20]
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ThickAsThieves of course [19:20]
Guest42002 mircea_popescu: so you havve lost faith in bitcoin because no one listens to you? [19:20]
ThickAsThieves tahts the point [19:20]
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ThickAsThieves friedcat doesnt need to deal with a bunch of usb hubs [19:21]
mircea_popescu Guest42002 no dude. i am just trying to illustrate to you kinda how pointless your approach is. [19:21]
ThickAsThieves he has racks on racks on racks [19:21]
mircea_popescu mtgox just fucked bitcoin. [19:21]
mircea_popescu charts doesn't work. [19:21]
mircea_popescu you're asking me why the bot doesn't quote. [19:21]
Guest42002 no we fucked bitcoin [19:21]
mircea_popescu BECAUSE CHARTS DONT WORK. thart's why. [19:21]
KRS1 what about order books [19:21]
Guest42002 you warned us to stop buying at 130 [19:21]
mircea_popescu that's really besides the point. [19:21]
ThickAsThieves no, he said it's not WORTH 130 [19:21]
mircea_popescu it's not the price that's the issue. [19:21]
mircea_popescu it's the fact those fuckwits can't keep trading orderly. [19:22]
KRS1 i see orders and sells at given prices are those the same as the charts..i feel stupid for asking this [19:22]
mircea_popescu and for the record i've not lost faith in bitcoin or anything. [19:22]
mircea_popescu just, sitting there and hitting f5 on the mpex page is scarcely a good use of tyour time. [19:22]
mircea_popescu if it catches a feed it quotes (it has multiple times today) [19:22]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01019 BTC [+] [19:22]
mircea_popescu if you actually want to buy/sell, wait for one of those and do so. [19:22]
mircea_popescu there definitely are going to be gaps. [19:23]
mircea_popescu today, yesterday, for as long as market stays disorderly [19:23]
Guest42002 that wasn't what I was pointing out but I guess you're right in that sense, what was the url for stat json feed? [19:23]
Ali__ Hi Mircea [19:23]
ThickAsThieves if we dont touch 75 soon, its gonna get worse [19:23]
mircea_popescu which pretty much means for as long as gox exists, going forward [19:23]
mircea_popescu hi Ali__ [19:23]
Ali__ cheers for the channel link [19:23]
Guest42002 mircea_popescu: thanks for you help and being available [19:23]
mircea_popescu Guest42002 i [19:23]
mircea_popescu 'd love to get you the url but can't load the site to do so. [19:23]
Guest42002 oh noes? are you under attack? [19:23]
mircea_popescu what is with this guy [19:23]
ThickAsThieves why dont we ban people in this channel again? [19:24]
mircea_popescu no dood, i'm not under any attack. site doesn't load 0.o [19:24]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves cause we're perverse. [19:24]
ThickAsThieves mmm masochism [19:25]
mircea_popescu actually now it's back [19:25]
mircea_popescu http://bitcoincharts.com/t/weighted_prices.json [19:25]
Guest42002 sweet thank mircea_popescu I"m sorry for being a poop [19:25]
mircea_popescu also : mpexbot caches the avg. [19:25]
jborkl mpex.co is loading fine,if thats what he is bitching about [19:25]
Guest42002 i was asking for mpex stat there is a public url for json feed from mpex yes? [19:25]
ThickAsThieves forgiven, only because i love the word poop [19:25]
ThickAsThieves poop poop poop [19:25]
mircea_popescu o that. [19:25]
mircea_popescu it's in the faq tyou know. [19:26]
mircea_popescu i thought you wanted the btccharts json [19:26]
mircea_popescu jborkl i've had issues with the bot not quoting these past days because it couldn't get the price feed and other data. [19:26]
mircea_popescu tho i've just looked and it's quoting nao. [19:26]
mircea_popescu or was. heh i guess we've been chatting for ten minutes here. [19:27]
Guest42002 yay he's back [19:28]
mircea_popescu you two got a real thing going huh. [19:28]
mircea_popescu so were you looking to buy something or just get heartbroken whenever bot's away ? [19:29]
jborkl mtgox down [19:29]
joecool ;;goxlag [19:29]
Guest42002 nope sell [19:30]
jborkl there is no lag, it is down again [19:30]
mircea_popescu alrighty so there's your chance. [19:30]
mircea_popescu jborkl this success... [19:30]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7599 BTC [-] [19:30]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.76 BTC [+] [19:30]
gribble Error: Problem retrieving gox lag. Try again later. [19:30]
jborkl no fee trades, could not have ended bad.. when they were already overloaded with volume [19:30]
Guest42002 for fucking realz? [19:31]
jborkl and btce down [19:31]
Guest42002 dude what's the point [19:32]
Guest42002 we can't even trade [19:32]
ThickAsThieves no point [19:32]
ThickAsThieves other than fair warning price is about to drop again [19:32]
jborkl might as well die and give up.... [19:32]
mircea_popescu lol [19:33]
mircea_popescu bitcoin needs less investment of capital, moar brainz [19:33]
jborkl or maybe more troll boxes on trading sites... [19:34]
jborkl lol [19:34]
jcpham more troll boxes [19:34]
pipeline hey guys this is just a helpful note [19:34]
jborkl I cant even use btce , the troll box pisses me off too bad [19:34]
pipeline for the full mtgox experience [19:34]
pipeline make sure that you have java installed [19:34]
pipeline with the plugin turned on [19:35]
pipeline after all, you can't really be a btc trader until you've had your wallet stolen by spearfishers at least once [19:35]
jborkl full MtGox exp? I think fuck up , bend over , no lube [19:35]
mircea_popescu the full experience of success victimization ? [19:35]
guruvan jborkl: https://btc-e.com/disableChat [19:36]
jborkl oh, nice [19:36]
jborkl thanks [19:36]
guruvan np [19:36]
mircea_popescu now that's a good idea. [19:36]
guruvan Anything to get more volume in and keep it off gox [19:36]
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Guest42002 bitcoin needs moar infratstructure [19:37]
Guest42002 mircea_popescu: bitcoin already has brainz no one listens to them [19:38]
joecool gox just rebooted [19:38]
joecool ;;goxlag [19:38]
gribble MtGox lag is 1.647474 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00330151944996 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from Jupiter to its third largest moon, Io (0.002819 AU). [19:38]
Doffx Bitcoin needs WAY more merchant, WAY more goods for sale. [19:38]
mircea_popescu Doffx brainz first. [19:38]
mircea_popescu otherwise the merchants will get fucked, not want to try it again [19:39]
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taub cute, gox keeps goxing [19:39]
mircea_popescu 502 Bad Gateway [19:39]
joecool most merchants with brains that i've spoken to take BTC way over market due to risk (usually caused by gox) [19:39]
mircea_popescu anyone else ? [19:39]
jborkl I am on and logged in [19:39]
joecool i'm wondering how bad the btcpay accepting merchants got burned in the past day [19:39]
Doffx We need a decentralized exchange to give us better price discovery for BTC [19:40]
taub its working right now but had an outage of 10 mins ... [19:40]
Guest42002 ;;bc,24hprc [19:40]
gribble 80.94 [19:40]
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Doffx And I need to be smarter and better at programming so I could just make my own, dammit. [19:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9165 @ 0.00072 = 6.5988 BTC [+] [19:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00072363 = 2.8945 BTC [+] [19:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1735 @ 0.00073 = 1.2666 BTC [+] [19:41]
taub not worth all that legal trouble... [19:41]
mircea_popescu Doffx a concerted effort to push local bitcoins would be great i guess. [19:41]
mircea_popescu or some other decentralised solution like that. [19:41]
mircea_popescu starting an exchange is nonsense imo. just trade. [19:41]
Doffx There would be no legal taub if it was not controlled by anyone [19:42]
taub how would that work [19:42]
ThickAsThieves does ripple fill this need? [19:42]
MJR_ open outcry market? [19:42]
MJR_ anyone? [19:42]
ThickAsThieves of decentralized trading? [19:42]
mircea_popescu MJR_ i was explaining a month or two ago how to get a fixing market for btc. [19:42]
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mircea_popescu sadly we're not quite there yet. [19:43]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7609 BTC [+] [19:43]
Doffx Hell if I knew how it would work id be building it. [19:43]
Doffx I just know we need some virtual way to discover price that cannot be halted by a DOS attack or maintenance [19:43]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7609 BTC [+] [19:43]
pgp breaking out now.... let's see what happens! [19:44]
ThickAsThieves wow [19:44]
ThickAsThieves it actually broke 75 [19:44]
jcpham kaminsky says he can't hack bitcoin on businessinsider [19:44]
taub doesnt mean anything.... [19:44]
ThickAsThieves 82 is real test [19:45]
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Doffx Tell it to go back to like 140 I want to go buy silver [19:45]
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ThickAsThieves Doffx, you might wanna come back in a month or two then [19:45]
Doffx Anyhow, off to move a hotel Payment system to a new server, lets hope all my planning paid off. [19:46]
mircea_popescu lol silver got usagi'd ? [19:46]
Doffx Ill be here ThickAsThieves [19:46]
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jborkl lol, he could fuck up a wet dream [19:46]
pgp well now: http://data.cnbc.com/quotes/MTGOXUSD [19:47]
ThickAsThieves heh [19:47]
ThickAsThieves Gox IPO next? [19:48]
ThickAsThieves hehe [19:48]
mircea_popescu Volume 0 [19:48]
mircea_popescu seems legit. [19:48]
mircea_popescu in other news, bitbet over 6k btc bet [19:48]
taub http://images.4chan.org/pol/src/1365784521387.jpg someone shop clark moody into this [19:48]
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mircea_popescu lol korea fag has a phone and a video game [19:51]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.7609 = 1.5218 BTC [+] [19:51]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7609 BTC [+] [19:51]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 15 @ 0.761 = 11.415 BTC [+] [19:51]
joecool taub: why shop him, he probably took the picture [19:52]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7608 BTC [-] [19:52]
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ThickAsThieves http://db.tt/vQj330VP [19:54]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7605 BTC [-] [19:57]
pgp that is great... [19:57]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7605 BTC [-] [19:59]
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pgp the chart just can't catch a break here... [20:00]
taub beat me to it ThickAsThieves [20:01]
taub https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6911896/1365784521387s.jpg [20:01]
jcpham http://data.cnbc.com/quotes/MTGOXUSD [20:01]
jborkl mtgox is delaying bitcoin depoits past 6 confirms [20:02]
error4733 dont event thinks to share this pictures :) in b4 backfire from US gov :) [20:02]
ThickAsThieves here I fixed it [20:02]
ThickAsThieves http://db.tt/vQj330VP [20:02]
taub lol [20:02]
taub saved [20:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.347 = 1.041 BTC [-] [20:03]
ZedsterX ThickAsThieves; it was 77 btw [20:03]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7605 BTC [-] [20:03]
pgp lol [20:03]
error4733 Jcpham !! wtf is that !! to sooooon to sooooon [20:03]
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thestring ;;bc,24hprc [20:04]
gribble 80.81 [20:04]
guruvan jcpham: um holy shit - that's pretty huge [20:04]
ThickAsThieves lol look at this bot action [20:05]
ThickAsThieves RIDICULOUS [20:05]
deyyo_ how about this :P [20:05]
deyyo_ http://i.imgur.com/W5tdYx5.png [20:05]
taub nice [20:05]
taub with the freflection n all [20:06]
deyyo_ ye :> [20:06]
taub -g [20:06]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00369999 = 3.7 BTC [-] [20:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1500 @ 0.0037 = 5.55 BTC [+] [20:06]
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guruvan wtf can't w/d btc from gox w/o verification?! [20:08]
mircea_popescu duh. [20:08]
joecool guruvan: stop bitching, they are having pizza parties [20:08]
ThickAsThieves there i used deyyo's http://db.tt/vQj330VP [20:08]
joecool down to verifying ~200/day [20:08]
joecool market crashes, have a pizza party [20:08]
deyyo hahahaha [20:09]
error4733 need this with LAG on it for the picture : https://www.asi-ez.com/pix/Prod/MG-SIGNS_PVC.gif [20:09]
lippoper1 @guruvan, seriously, can't even withdraw BTC? [20:09]
taub where is the mtgox pizza story from? [20:10]
guruvan no and it isn't much BTC [20:10]
ZedsterX http://db.tt/vQj330VP [20:10]
guruvan fuck me [20:10]
ZedsterX oops [20:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00073 = 0.73 BTC [+] [20:10]
lippoper1 like less than double digits? [20:10]
lippoper1 or close to triple digits [20:10]
guruvan yep [20:10]
guruvan 'like 8 [20:10]
lippoper1 ;;calc 8 * 70 [20:10]
gribble 560 [20:10]
lippoper1 yeah, well under a thousand [20:10]
lippoper1 lol [20:10]
lippoper1 those fa#$%@ [20:10]
jborkl Well, they are holding incoming Bticoins way past 6 transactions [20:11]
guruvan that does it.....acct closure [20:11]
lippoper1 supposed to be 20 right? [20:11]
lippoper1 6 is for litecoins [20:11]
jborkl no 6 [20:11]
jborkl always been 6 [20:11]
thestring ;;goxlag [20:12]
gribble MtGox lag is 0.535276 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00107268711075 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin to the other side of the Earth, along the surface (0.0001339 AU). [20:12]
lippoper1 ;;ticker [20:13]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 75.40000, Best ask: 75.52445, Bid-ask spread: 0.12445, Last trade: 75.52445, 24 hour volume: 407138.79371493, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 82.40787 [20:13]
thestring ;;bids 70 [20:13]
gribble There are currently 6761.0366 bitcoins demanded at or over 70.0 USD, worth 486098.893975 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0039 seconds [20:13]
thestring ;;market bus 1000 [20:13]
gribble Error: The "Market" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "bus" in it. Try "list Market" to see the commands in the "Market" plugin. [20:13]
lippoper1 ;;asks 75 [20:13]
gribble There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 75.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 11.7401 seconds [20:13]
lippoper1 ;;bids 75 [20:13]
gribble There are currently 324.92096 bitcoins demanded at or over 75.0 USD, worth 24420.8701994 USD in total. | Data vintage: 16.2594 seconds [20:13]
thestring ;;market buy 1000 [20:13]
gribble A market order to buy 1000 bitcoins right now would take 76513.2796 USD and would take the last price up to 78.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 76.5133 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 20.2961 seconds [20:13]
ThickAsThieves lol http://memearchive.net/memerial.net/6435/kim-jong-un-emo.jpg [20:14]
thestring ;;bc,24hprc [20:14]
gribble 80.68 [20:14]
thestring ;;seen smickles [20:15]
gribble smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 1 day, 1 hour, 32 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: a bitcoin atm could be the easiest way to send money to a friend, each of you just goes to an atm [20:15]
lippoper1 ;;market sell 1000 [20:15]
gribble A market order to sell 1000 bitcoins right now would net 74661.2462 USD and would take the last price down to 73.8500 USD, resulting in an average price of 74.6612 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 106.5025 seconds [20:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100 @ 0.00072159 = 0.0722 BTC [-] [20:15]
ThickAsThieves ;;market --sell 5000 [20:15]
jborkl and Gox crashed again [20:15]
ThickAsThieves price got too high [20:15]
lippoper1 yeah [20:15]
gribble A market order to sell 5000 bitcoins right now would net 362365.5204 USD and would take the last price down to 70.9000 USD, resulting in an average price of 72.4731 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 142.5831 seconds [20:15]
ThickAsThieves needed a break [20:15]
guruvan fuck gox [20:16]
lippoper1 when it comes back, my $80 bid will be filled, and the price will be back down lol [20:16]
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taub why did you put in an 80 bid oO [20:16]
ThickAsThieves yeah [20:16]
ThickAsThieves wait for 63 at least [20:16]
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pgp $avg [20:17]
mpexbot pgp: 80.66 [20:17]
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lippoper1 lol [20:18]
lippoper1 that's bottom ;-) [20:18]
lippoper1 ;;goxlag [20:19]
gribble Error: Problem retrieving gox lag. Try again later. [20:19]
guruvan no gox [20:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.345 = 2.415 BTC [-] [20:20]
thestring !ticker m ^OIX [20:20]
assbot [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 123.90251552 / 218.88143499 / 226.22012381 (14550 shares, 2,478.62 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC) [20:20]
guruvan pathetic [20:20]
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thestring ;;tslb [20:20]
gribble Time since last block: 35 seconds [20:20]
thestring Nice [20:20]
thestring ;;bids 70 [20:20]
thestring No gox haha [20:21]
taub oh, bitcoin24 down D: [20:21]
guruvan more and more of a joke by the hour [20:21]
gribble There are currently 6761.0366 bitcoins demanded at or over 70.0 USD, worth 486098.893975 USD in total. | Data vintage: 325.1259 seconds [20:21]
thestring CampBx and bitstamp are up [20:21]
thestring ;;goxlag [20:21]
gribble Error: Problem retrieving gox lag. Try again later. [20:22]
thestring ;;ticker [20:22]
gribble Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later. [20:22]
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error4733 what about a webcam in MTgox office ? no more lag ?? profit ??? [20:23]
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lippoper1 pump up value put in sell orders, DDoS, public panic sells, you put in buy orders, DDoS, rinse and repeat... This is getting old fast. [20:25]
taub I wasnt able to find a pattern between ddos and prices yet [20:25]
thestringpuller lippoper1: wait for it though, the media attention has settled I think a lot of people have exited [20:26]
taub you think it goes down when it happens? [20:26]
thestringpuller the ddos just lags everything to make big moves [20:26]
thestringpuller ;;goxlag [20:26]
gribble Error: Problem retrieving gox lag. Try again later. [20:26]
lippoper1 it does [20:26]
lippoper1 taub [20:26]
pgp gox down hard again?!? [20:26]
gesell yes [20:26]
lippoper1 thestringpuller, I think media attention will boom with reports of how people lost their life savings investing in BTC, etc... [20:27]
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pgp victims of their own success... lol... I'd like to victimize them... [20:27]
thestringpuller lippoper1: yea there wasn't much access to short selling or puts [20:28]
thestringpuller bitcoin-charts was knocked offline while gox was plummeting wednesday [20:28]
thestringpuller so mpoe-bot wasn't quoting [20:28]
jborkl gox back alive [20:28]
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thestringpuller ;;goxlag [20:29]
gribble MtGox lag is 1.753297 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00351358755711 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from Jupiter to its third largest moon, Io (0.002819 AU). [20:29]
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lippoper1 see taub, the price didn't exactly drop this time, but you can see it flatlined there. [20:29]
jborkl When we send a bitcoin to Uranus , that is a problem [20:30]
lippoper1 i think they DDoSed it too hard, when I see lots of .01 listings and then the DDoS comes, that's guaranteed price drop. [20:30]
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gesell thestringpuller: if i remember bitcoincharts is sponsored by mtgox so they might host on similar lines [20:30]
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jborkl btce now down [20:31]
guruvan nah - just flashes to cloudflare a little bit [20:32]
gesell I think the headline on reddit now should be "USD skyrockets in value!!" [20:32]
thestringpuller ;;bc,24hprc [20:32]
gribble 80.65 [20:32]
gesell with a nice 3day graph [20:33]
guruvan Well. I will be thrilled to plug up gox's verification queue with a few more people who will then never trade at gox again. [20:33]
thestringpuller when will people ove money to other exchanges? [20:33]
mircea_popescu deposits flushed again. [20:33]
lippoper1 when they get verified apparently [20:33]
guruvan 1 month [20:33]
guruvan yes [20:33]
lippoper1 since you can't even withdraw a f$^&#$ btc [20:33]
mircea_popescu basically mtgox is keeping all funds hostage. [20:33]
mircea_popescu and totally pulling a bfl [20:34]
lippoper1 i'm not transferring any btc in there anymore [20:34]
mircea_popescu ie, advertising so as to get more noobs deposited. [20:34]
mircea_popescu if this isn't a scam toppling over i don't know what is. [20:34]
gesell mircea_popescu: im not following [20:34]
guruvan I only moved a little in for the excitement yesterday, and WTF shouldnt' they tell me it's a fucking roach hotel for bitcoins BEFORE deposit [20:34]
guruvan as I deposit [20:34]
mircea_popescu gesell which part ? [20:34]
guruvan I have to agree mircea_popescu [20:34]
gesell what part appears to be a scam. did i miss something? people can move out btc? [20:34]
mircea_popescu no they can't. [20:34]
guruvan fractional reserve scam [20:35]
gesell so there is a hold on getting your btc out of the exhange? [20:35]
gesell really? [20:35]
thestringpuller they are claiming no fractional reserve though on reddit in the iama [20:35]
thestringpuller so it seems they are either lying thus scam [20:35]
mircea_popescu is it titled "i am a fractional reserve ask me anything" ? [20:35]
guruvan tried to w/d FIVE BTC and gotta verify [20:35]
thestringpuller or they are overwhelmed to the brink [20:35]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: pretty much have you read it yet? it's sort of amusing [20:35]
guruvan w/e - I don't give a damn what someone claims - prove it [20:35]
mircea_popescu nope i've not./ [20:36]
taub video game time i guess [20:37]
taub nothing moving [20:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2872 @ 0.00071888 = 2.0646 BTC [-] [20:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5822 @ 0.00070317 = 4.0939 BTC [-] [20:38]
gesell is there a link to this? [20:38]
kakobrekla wait - it works for verified and not for unverified? [20:38]
deadweasel $avg [20:39]
mpexbot deadweasel: 80.63 [20:39]
mircea_popescu yeah they've locked btcwithdrawals for unverified accts. [20:39]
joecool just keep suggesting to him to get legal counsel, he will need it [20:39]
lippoper1 78-79 here we come [20:40]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: is mpex's requests servers distributed? [20:40]
thestringpuller are* [20:40]
mircea_popescu yea [20:40]
thestringpuller it seems whenever you get ddos'ed the requests still get to mpex [20:40]
thestringpuller within milliseconds [20:40]
mircea_popescu im magical like that. [20:41]
thestringpuller i've read the article you reference, but if mtgox isn't migrating to that model with all the money they are making from their success, you are more than right... [20:41]
mircea_popescu so far what they've done is they've got a 128gbserver to run their shit in ram [20:42]
mircea_popescu as if theres a difference [20:42]
mircea_popescu i have raid 1+0 ssd's, they're probably faster than their ram [20:42]
joecool mircea_popescu: they need bigger/faster machines to crash harder/faster [20:42]
mircea_popescu it's ridiculous tho, this is not 1995. [20:43]
gesell mircea_popescu: poland shutdown bitcoin-24... was that you?? :P [20:43]
lippoper1 I don't know I heard they're using DDR 800Mhz ram [20:43]
mircea_popescu more memory is a moot point per se. [20:43]
mircea_popescu gesell eh ?! [20:43]
lippoper1 That's like top of the line for their Pentium II [20:43]
deadweasel architecture is fucked. there is no architecture. [20:43]
thestringpuller this is absurd 100 trades get in executed then it stops accepting requests [20:43]
thestringpuller or the requests are getting blocked [20:43]
joecool blocked is likely [20:44]
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mircea_popescu basically from what can be seen from the outside they take each order and do a mysql select against the entire book [20:44]
mircea_popescu with some badly chosen transforms [20:44]
gesell thestringpuller: its actually just a timeout due to DoS [20:44]
lippoper1 lol [20:45]
mircea_popescu i could see why in this architecture they couldn' [20:45]
mircea_popescu t handle > 1 trade/second [20:45]
thestringpuller so it's like tcp dropping packets :( [20:45]
lippoper1 hamsters [20:45]
lippoper1 are taking a nap [20:45]
lippoper1 and getting water [20:45]
lippoper1 they'll be back spinning the wheels soon [20:45]
gesell mircea_popescu: in addition with each trade they probably had to recalculate your fee bracket which meant querying the db to see previous trades. nuts [20:45]
mircea_popescu 0.0 [20:45]
mircea_popescu they desperately need to hire somebody who knows wtf trading is and obey them. [20:46]
mircea_popescu unfortunate for them that the 3-4 people who fit the bill and are in btc can't stand them [20:46]
joecool ^^^^^^^^^ [20:47]
joecool this [20:47]
joecool doesn't help though, hate them or not, they cause the single most damage to bitcoin [20:47]
mircea_popescu they have. [20:48]
mircea_popescu so far they're the #1 black eye. [20:48]
gesell can someone tell me, is it common in markets that i can place multiple orders despite not having the total sum required for all of them. such as i $5000 and i place two orders for 100btc at $50. obviously i dont have $50x200. [20:48]
lippoper1 ;;goxlag [20:48]
gribble MtGox lag is 1.260122 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00252527037897 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from Earth to Moon (0.00257 AU). [20:48]
pipeline gesell: yes that is the norm in stock markets [20:48]
joecool the amusing thing is, when i came into bitcoin, it was the same story, they fucked up big and crashed the market [20:49]
joecool yet they are still here [20:49]
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gesell okay. ic. pipeline is there a logic for it or just how it is? [20:49]
joecool to fuck it up continually [20:49]
pipeline gesell: a lot of your orders will never be executed, so why would they limit you? [20:49]
lippoper1 yeah [20:49]
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lippoper1 worse thing is your order doesn't get filled. [20:49]
gesell i dont understand... i would think that one would have to remove one order maxing their fiat before making another one [20:50]
lippoper1 not unless an order takes it all up first [20:50]
mircea_popescu gesell most websites (etrade etc) will allow you to place any set of orders you wish. [20:50]
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mircea_popescu no exchange will tolerate this. any order placed is firm and executed. [20:50]
lippoper1 see on btc-e, once you place a bid or ask, they remove the balance from your account [20:50]
lippoper1 Not on Gox [20:50]
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mircea_popescu so basically... there's two things here. what are you discussing, the exchanges or the web selfserve brokers ? [20:50]
lippoper1 the bots [20:51]
lippoper1 The whales and the bots lol [20:51]
lippoper1 ;;goxlag [20:51]
gribble MtGox lag is 0.92356 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00185080389931 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin across the outer diameter of Saturn's rings (0.0024 AU). [20:51]
lippoper1 ;;ticker [20:51]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 74.85000, Best ask: 75.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.15000, Last trade: 74.85000, 24 hour volume: 410473.52836880, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 82.35474 [20:51]
gesell yeah i guess my question relates more to whales building artificual walls. as these appear to be indicators for people [20:52]
lippoper1 i don't get it, nothing is moving on gox [20:52]
lippoper1 That explains why those "walls" disappear [20:52]
lippoper1 IF they show up [20:52]
lippoper1 without funds [20:53]
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gesell yeah lag reports iidle [20:53]
gesell yeet no trades seemingly [20:53]
lippoper1 yeah very weird [20:55]
lippoper1 The more they say mtgox is manipulating the market, the more likely it seems, especially with this weirdness right now. [20:55]
lippoper1 stalemate at 75? [20:56]
gesell i dont think so at all [20:56]
lippoper1 ;;ticker [20:56]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 75.13000, Best ask: 75.89000, Bid-ask spread: 0.76000, Last trade: 75.13000, 24 hour volume: 413500.15314673, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 82.29544 [20:56]
lippoper1 ;;asks 75.89000 [20:56]
gribble There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 75.89 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0028 seconds [20:56]
lippoper1 ;;bids 75 [20:56]
gribble There are currently 407.97339 bitcoins demanded at or over 75.0 USD, worth 30636.2108184 USD in total. | Data vintage: 12.1662 seconds [20:56]
lippoper1 ;;asks 75 [20:56]
gribble There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 75.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 17.1069 seconds [20:56]
lippoper1 ;;asks 74 [20:56]
gesell gox has some scaling issues, and architecture issues, some policy issues. but i think they just can fix them all in time to handle the load [20:56]
gribble There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 74.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 21.4388 seconds [20:56]
lippoper1 ;;asks 76 [20:56]
gribble There are currently 503.44177 bitcoins offered at or under 76.0 USD, worth 38260.2899496 USD in total. | Data vintage: 28.7110 seconds [20:56]
Skarr_ gesell: The Gox system accepts the orders, but puts them into a Pending state. I'm almost certain they don't appear on the books until they've switched to an Open state. That transition does a check to ensure you have the sufficient funds. [20:56]
lippoper1 oh that must be new [20:57]
gesell Skarr_: yeah? thats something at least, if true. Will see if i can test this [20:57]
pgp skarr is right [20:57]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7604 BTC [-] [20:58]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 0.7605 = 6.084 BTC [+] [20:58]
pgp gox back - wtf! [20:58]
mircea_popescu Skarr_ this is how it used to be [20:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8833 @ 0.00070274 = 6.2073 BTC [-] [20:58]
mircea_popescu but they changed it a coupla days ago. [20:58]
mircea_popescu no more pending orders. [20:58]
mircea_popescu (it was a "great success" style pr communique, yes) [20:59]
thestringpuller ;;ticker [20:59]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 75.20515, Best ask: 75.30000, Bid-ask spread: 0.09485, Last trade: 75.40000, 24 hour volume: 413800.63298868, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 82.29060 [20:59]
pgp I thought they were putting the code change in on apr 17th [20:59]
lippoper1 I'm sure they threw a pizza party for that one too [21:00]
thestringpuller ;;bc,24hprc [21:00]
pgp and no more gox codes either... [21:00]
gribble 80.57 [21:00]
Skarr_ mircea: you're kidding! I could put a 100,000 BTC buy on the books without funds? [21:00]
lippoper1 ordered some pizza with our btc [21:00]
mircea_popescu Skarr_ no no. you can't make the order at all if not funded. [21:00]
pgp wouldn't show up on book until funded [21:00]
mircea_popescu pgp i might be confused, but afaik it was announced as already done [21:00]
lippoper1 bought some girl's pantyhose in a vending machine [21:00]
joecool I thought they were putting the code change in on apr 17th << [21:00]
lippoper1 along with a live crab [21:00]
lippoper1 crazy japan [21:00]
joecool mircea_popescu: i don't think they did it yet [21:01]
taub http://data.cnbc.com/quotes/MTGOXUSD :D [21:01]
Skarr_ Ahhhhhhh. You're right. They knocked it outta the park communicating that one. Thanks for the heads up. [21:01]
mircea_popescu taub volume is still 0 [21:01]
Skarr_ I'll at least know to keep an eye on it now. [21:01]
pgp if they did - i'm sure lag would be a lot better [21:01]
mircea_popescu pgp no, they did i think [21:01]
mircea_popescu Skarr_ you got the link ? [21:01]
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Skarr_ mircea: which link? [21:02]
mircea_popescu of mtgox announcing [21:03]
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pgp apr 17th https://mtgox.com/press_release_20130409.html [21:03]
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splnkr that should take the edge off [21:04]
pgp yes [21:04]
Skarr_ ahhh, ty [21:05]
pgp it'll make gox passble until more profession exchange platforms come online [21:05]
pgp passable [21:05]
pgp professional [21:05]
pgp what's the matter with me today - can't type or spell... [21:05]
joeykrim taub, hah nice cnbc link! [21:05]
gesell Okay ive tested how it handles multiple orders [21:06]
Namworld at least they never vanished with users funds [21:06]
Namworld even if they are slow... I think that's the reason tehy survive even if they can't make their exchange work right. [21:06]
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assbot [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+] [21:09]
pigeons yes they even bailed out users of other exchanges like bitomat [21:10]
pigeons although they have pulled a mircea_popescu and rolled back before ;) [21:10]
gesell So if I place two orders for BTC that "nearly" max out my FIAt what it does is fulfills the first and aadjusts the second to be for only the amount of FIAT left. Interestingly this will show up in the orderbooks (API2) but not the web interface [21:11]
thestringpuller ;;bc,24hprc [21:11]
gribble 80.69 [21:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00070279 = 13.353 BTC [+] [21:12]
gesell on the web UI it looks as though I have two orders both at near max of the FIAT [21:12]
mircea_popescu pigeons hater. [21:12]
pigeons ;> [21:12]
Namworld mircea, got my message? [21:12]
Namworld I left with gribble? [21:13]
gesell Also if interested... it takes 50 seconds for my order to show up in the http API based orderbooks (didnt check websockets). so if you are realying on the non-websocket API's for up to date information, DONT [21:13]
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gesell also lets be honest, all the exchanges probably have shitty code [21:13]
mircea_popescu Namworld i'm aware the bot is in "we've been attacked by aliens" mode. [21:14]
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Namworld eheh, no, I mean, the algorythm might need to be changed a bit [21:14]
Namworld so that asks prices for calls tend toward 1 for example without ever reaching it. [21:15]
thestringpuller ;;ticker [21:15]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 75.92000, Best ask: 75.99000, Bid-ask spread: 0.07000, Last trade: 75.99000, 24 hour volume: 415482.07084261, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 82.26400 [21:15]
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pigeons if mp is doing something that you think needs to be changed, its really intentional [21:16]
thestringpuller ;;bc,24hprc [21:16]
gribble 80.69 [21:16]
pigeons [21:16]
Namworld For example, the calls struck at 41 USD/BTC will be in the money at... -1885.90 USD [21:17]
Namworld I'd love for someone to pay me that much for the privilege of offloading their BTC into my hands [21:17]
mircea_popescu Namworld it's not even negative. [21:18]
mircea_popescu it's above infinity. [21:18]
mircea_popescu whatever that means. [21:18]
Namworld technically it's: strike / (1 - ask) [21:19]
Namworld if ask is higher than one, it's strike divided by a negative number [21:20]
Namworld so a negative number [21:20]
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Namworld Infinity would put value of call at 1 [21:20]
mircea_popescu yeah well that formula only works for ask < 1 [21:20]
mircea_popescu otherwise it's no longer equivalent [21:21]
Namworld Anyway [21:22]
Namworld Bot asks for mad high prices, it's funny [21:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1615 @ 0.00348384 = 5.6264 BTC [-] [21:22]
mircea_popescu yeah [21:23]
mircea_popescu the sort of drop it's seen (260 -> 50) makes it think the world is ending really. [21:23]
joecool well [21:23]
joecool it's small when you consider $36 -> $2? [21:23]
pgp true [21:24]
Namworld yeah, well I noticed the more volatility there was, the higher the asks the bot asks for [21:24]
Namworld already [21:24]
splnkr 18x --> 5x hope next time isn't just a boring old 2x boo [21:24]
mircea_popescu meanwhile over at my blog [21:24]
joecool i thought $70 would be a good number for 2013, i did a large buy at $30 feeling that way [21:24]
mircea_popescu "i have spent 8 years in romania, and im shocked that this mind is coming from this country :)" [21:24]
joecool *shrugs* [21:24]
mircea_popescu joecool : the bot wasn't there then [21:24]
thestringpuller ;;bc,24hprc [21:24]
gribble 80.66 [21:24]
mircea_popescu the bot was born august 2011ish, [21:24]
mircea_popescu and based on the past history it had an engine made. as i said yest, i think security and pricing got melded together in some edge cases [21:25]
mircea_popescu we're still working to mapping out this entire thing, it's not exactly a trivial task [21:25]
pgp i see bots implied volatility at 600-700 on ask prices of calls [21:25]
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jborkl woot, sent dust spam to sd on less than 2000 and won [21:26]
mircea_popescu haha wd. [21:26]
mircea_popescu pgp his point is valid tho, should never be quoting above 1. rough edge there. [21:26]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7689 BTC [+] [21:26]
pgp yes [21:26]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7695 BTC [+] [21:27]
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pgp $avg [21:27]
mpexbot pgp: 80.66 [21:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.0007085 = 4.1447 BTC [+] [21:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167 @ 0.00070279 = 0.1174 BTC [-] [21:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6309 @ 0.00070071 = 4.4208 BTC [-] [21:27]
Namworld Well even when it was quoting under, breakeven went skyhigh near the lowest calls [21:27]
mircea_popescu that's somewhat to be expected. [21:27]
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Namworld yeah. Could be improved upon tho so the effect is less and the low calls are actually good [21:28]
Namworld they never traded, almost [21:28]
Namworld albeit if they were priced correctly, they would be lowest gain but also lowest losses [21:28]
Namworld If people wanted less leverage [21:28]
pgp mp: so all puts mispriced right now? [21:31]
thestringpuller yea [21:31]
thestringpuller ^ Namworld [21:32]
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pgp but the implied vol on the calls just doesn't seem worth it given where we are now... [21:33]
lippoper1 Dare I say the market is becoming stable? [21:33]
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thestringpuller lippoper1: sort of gox is lagging in taking orders [21:35]
thestringpuller so it's super intermittent trading [21:35]
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thestringpuller other exchanges are reporting higher prices [21:35]
mircea_popescu pgp i wouldn't say mispriced necessarily. [21:35]
mircea_popescu they are just very expensive to my eyes. but it's what bot thinks. [21:36]
joecool well they were right, solved excessive lag by crashing frequently [21:36]
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pgp all the ask prices are the same from C119T to C389T... [21:37]
pgp how does that make sense? [21:37]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7696 BTC [+] [21:38]
mircea_popescu cause it won't sell a call for under x. [21:38]
assbot [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+] [21:39]
mircea_popescu bot has a "won't sell a call for under X" to protect the book from padding. this because of the open auction style of the bonds financing it. you understand what i mean ? [21:39]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: what do you mean by padding? [21:39]
mircea_popescu i mean this : each call sold counts as 1 BTC in the needed capital. [21:40]
mircea_popescu if someone ahs a bond in at say 25% and there are 10k btc at lower % than him [21:40]
mircea_popescu he could theoretically buy 10k calls for 10 BTC total, so at 0,001 and then get 25 btc for his b ond [21:41]
mircea_popescu ie, padding the book. [21:41]
pgp i see [21:41]
mircea_popescu this is an artefact of how the bot is financed, not a mispricing per se,. [21:41]
mircea_popescu now, exactly how much he considers that cutorff to be... in many months it was 0.02 or 0.03 etc. [21:42]
mircea_popescu now it's 0.26 so based on the volatility we could say bot is hinting at interest rates over 50% per month. [21:42]
pgp aha - that makes sense... [21:43]
mircea_popescu well it also is motherfcucking insane on a stick. [21:43]
mircea_popescu but i am loath to change it because i have never done so yet. [21:43]
pgp nonetheless - your "cheapest" call from an impl vol perspective is C116T. avg would need to go to $139 in two weeks to breakeven - tough call... [21:44]
mircea_popescu well yeah [21:45]
mircea_popescu on the other hand... last week it went 100 to 260 [21:45]
mircea_popescu what's a bot to do [21:45]
pgp lol [21:45]
thestringpuller the bot life didn't choose you [21:45]
thestringpuller you chose the bot ife [21:45]
thestringpuller life* [21:45]
mircea_popescu no but srsly. from this perspective i could see it wanting 200 for breakeven wtf. [21:45]
pigeons gypsy! [21:45]
pgp lmao [21:45]
thestringpuller tiberiusiv the greatest troll in the world [21:45]
thestringpuller !ticker m ^OIX [21:45]
assbot [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 123.90251552 / 218.88143499 / 226.22012381 (14550 shares, 2,478.62 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC) [21:45]
pigeons i swear he's EskimoBob [21:45]
thestringpuller oh wow [21:45]
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joecool i haven't seen that idiot in a minute [21:46]
joecool EskimoBob still around? [21:46]
thestringpuller lol [21:46]
thestringpuller tiberiusiv: what do you even contribute to [21:46]
thestringpuller mr. [21:46]
pgp except that in most asset classes, when bubbles burst, impl vol goes down, not up... [21:46]
mircea_popescu pgp i agree. [21:46]
pgp but then again that assume many market makers... [21:47]
pgp here we just have the bot [21:47]
mircea_popescu pgp i am not saying the bot is right here. i am just saying, it's not directly obvious to me how it is wrong and how much. [21:47]
pgp i know [21:47]
mircea_popescu we have two year's worth of market data here, [21:47]
mircea_popescu and junk data at that. [21:47]
mircea_popescu and junk market to begin with [21:47]
mircea_popescu we;ve done more collective shrugging this past week than the shrugging monks of livonia. [21:48]
pgp merely opining - i don't know what the right price should be... [21:48]
pigeons how is it an edge if no one buys them? [21:48]
pgp but wait... [21:49]
pgp yes big loss in BTC terms - but not in fiat terms [21:49]
pigeons how does losing money make him a scammer? [21:50]
pgp bondholder haircut was how much last month? [21:50]
pgp how much did BTC go up last month? [21:50]
mircea_popescu like 20% [21:50]
thestringpuller no 20% [21:50]
mircea_popescu 23 or so [21:50]
thestringpuller also [21:50]
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thestringpuller if you cahsed out your shit in fiat [21:50]
thestringpuller there was no loss.. [21:51]
mircea_popescu and btc went from high 20s to mid 90s in march fiscal [21:51]
thestringpuller IN BTC [21:51]
mircea_popescu and from mid 90s to 260ish on the spot in april, and then down [21:51]
thestringpuller if you paid less for the btc than what you got out [21:51]
thestringpuller then you win [21:51]
thestringpuller i don't see the issue [21:51]
pgp you have to consider fiat, because the bond investment is selling fiat options [21:51]
thestringpuller not at all? [21:51]
thestringpuller i lost more money on mt gox [21:52]
thestringpuller indirectly [21:52]
thestringpuller tiberiusiv: how about you shut up [21:52]
thestringpuller neither do you, you sit around and complain [21:52]
pgp fine - if BTC is you base curreny, you lost... [21:52]
pgp it's like SDICE... [21:52]
ThickAsThieves ;;nethash [21:52]
gribble 66887.959038 [21:52]
thestringpuller tiberiusiv: don't speak unless you contribute something to economy other than being a troll [21:53]
pgp betting is inelastic to BTC price [21:53]
mircea_popescu to be perfectly fair : we have jackshit for data as to all these things. [21:53]
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mircea_popescu how elastic betting is to btc price... [21:53]
mircea_popescu stuff like that. [21:53]
pgp big move up in USD/BTC, big move down in BTC denominated shares of SDICE... [21:53]
pigeons yeah its not really known how elastic betting is to btc price, and it isnt really knowable because the users and their behavior may change [21:54]
mircea_popescu except the move happened before. [21:54]
mircea_popescu if you look at it it doesn't correlate too well. [21:54]
mircea_popescu moreover, pretty much all financials got axed as people flew towards the exchange to play there. [21:54]
mircea_popescu yest btc was flowing back [21:54]
mircea_popescu in fact keiser+idiot friends created a situation much like pirate. [21:54]
Namworld Only the bonds thing would hurt, not the exchange [21:54]
Namworld Bot goes out when it runs out of funds [21:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 10 @ 0.00369999 = 0.037 BTC [+] [21:55]
Namworld So really, another loss reduce bondholders which reduce how many options the bot can make [21:55]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: what do you mean about keiser? [21:55]
pigeons people might even agree with you some tiberiusiv if you lost the racism, the eskimobobism, the blind rage ignoring facts, etc [21:55]
pgp i am not advocating that call should be cheaper - mp has to do whatever he thinks is right - just making observations... [21:55]
thestringpuller !ticker m s.dice [21:55]
assbot [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00296405 / 0.0033407 / 0.00373333 (62627 shares, 209.22 BTC), 7D: 0.0027 / 0.00292871 / 0.00373333 (277523 shares, 812.79 BTC), 30D: 0.0027 / 0.00348923 / 0.00599987 (1838086 shares, 6,413.51 BTC) [21:55]
Namworld the bot uses available BTC to make options [21:55]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller all this rarara bitcoin is going over 590685804589 stuiff [21:56]
Namworld yes... so that MIGHT, MAYBE kill the options thing [21:56]
pigeons so don't do business with him, i think you're a self-hating gypsy [21:56]
Namworld It doesn't kill the exchange nor the stocks [21:56]
pigeons no he doesnt want to admit he's a retard, but you look more retarded trying to get him to admit it [21:57]
mircea_popescu who's a retard ? [21:57]
Namworld I had puts... they never got rolled back. Huge profits for me... [21:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1990 @ 0.00369999 = 7.363 BTC [+] [21:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2500 @ 0.0037 = 9.25 BTC [+] [21:57]
Namworld not sure what Bugpowder's case is all about... [21:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.0037333 = 3.7333 BTC [+] [21:57]
pigeons no one is a retard, tiberiusiv just really really acts that way [21:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2510 @ 0.00373331 = 9.3706 BTC [+] [21:57]
mircea_popescu Namworld well he had a buy rolled. [21:57]
thestringpuller tiberiusiv: you're speculating pretty hard [21:58]
thestringpuller do you have proof? [21:58]
thestringpuller I want to see proof [21:58]
thestringpuller tiberiusiv: PROOF or shut the fuck up. [21:58]
thestringpuller no proof of mircea_popescu malice [21:58]
thestringpuller you are making extraordinary claims yet, you have no proof of the intent to deceive in the situation [21:59]
thestringpuller or intent of malic [21:59]
thestringpuller malice [21:59]
pgp ? [22:00]
thestringpuller ;;ticker [22:00]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 80.10000, Best ask: 80.89900, Bid-ask spread: 0.79900, Last trade: 80.10000, 24 hour volume: 426494.87031080, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 82.14199 [22:00]
thestringpuller so mircea_popescu should we not trust your 100,000 btc empire because tiberiusiv has said you are a scammer and claims to have proof of your malice? [22:01]
Namworld I had to sell 80 @ like 25 USD to buy a server for BitVPS. Not to start a business, just to buy some hardware... [22:02]
Namworld Stings when price rose to 250 weeks later [22:02]
Namworld I wish I could have sold then [22:02]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller we should not highlight me for nonsebnse cause io'm ion like 3 convos and it just wastes my time [22:02]
thestringpuller if kakobrekla wants to mute me, then fine, but it seems you are the one without skin in the game [22:03]
thestringpuller tiberiusiv: must be EskimoBob [22:03]
thestringpuller bugpowder made 900 btc last month on calls [22:04]
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thestringpuller you are a fool tiberiusiv [22:04]
thestringpuller you are making no sense [22:04]
Namworld I think I won about 350 BTC on options in March/April. Lost 200 in January/February tho [22:05]
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Namworld Trying to short too much [22:05]
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Namworld But I haven't got lots on MPEx [22:05]
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thestringpuller tiberiusiv: he's had more of a magnitude of that loss, see August 2012 [22:06]
thestringpuller so like this is the 2nd time and mpex is still here? [22:06]
lippoper1 broke 86 [22:07]
lippoper1 ;;ticker [22:07]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 82.66975, Best ask: 86.52356, Bid-ask spread: 3.85381, Last trade: 82.66975, 24 hour volume: 431290.95680419, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 82.14193 [22:07]
lippoper1 imminent crash? [22:07]
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mircea_popescu so going up kinda ? [22:08]
pigeons if it happened before tiberiusiv got here, like the other mpbor bond loss month, it didnt really happen [22:08]
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mircea_popescu actuyally there were 2 loss months [22:10]
mircea_popescu one lost like 5 btc or something [22:10]
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pigeons no that didnt happen either [22:10]
pigeons gypsy [22:10]
mircea_popescu say, did you add my twitter to "humor" pigeons ? [22:11]
pigeons yeah i needed to make lists to organize [22:11]
pigeons you're in there with roger ver and realsolid [22:11]
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pigeons laughing is good for health [22:12]
mircea_popescu omg fag [22:12]
thestringpuller ;;ticker [22:13]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 85.01000, Best ask: 85.20000, Bid-ask spread: 0.19000, Last trade: 85.20000, 24 hour volume: 434993.64973390, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 82.17972 [22:13]
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thestringpuller bulls are back? [22:13]
error4733 ;;eightball bulls are back? [22:14]
gribble Yes! [22:14]
thestringpuller hahahahahahaha [22:15]
mircea_popescu lol [22:15]
Namworld worst might be over but it seems we've established a downward trend [22:15]
guruvan sweet. go gribble [22:15]
MJR_ hmmm [22:16]
MJR_ deon't know about that [22:16]
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MJR_ if you take now, and connect it to the 1st, or march 15th, or march 1st...its an upward trend [22:16]
MJR_ and i think the 200 day, 50 day simple moving averages are all trending up overal [22:16]
pigeons there hasn't been a buying opportunity this good in weeks! as max would say [22:16]
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mircea_popescu why do i get the feeling pigeons and jcpham are in the same trollclub [22:17]
Namworld myeah, but as of now, crash isn't slowing down one bit [22:17]
pigeons we're not, but i did nominate to induct jcpham to my trollclub since we lost a member [22:18]
pigeons didn't tell him yet though [22:18]
gesell the weekend brings no new funds end though perhaps there is enough sitting on the exchange that came in the past 2 days that no one wanted to put it. [22:18]
kakobrekla faek! [22:19]
kakobrekla ups [22:19]
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kakobrekla scrollback [22:19]
mircea_popescu lol [22:19]
Namworld It looks like we're losing 25 USD/BTC every 5-7 hours on average, up until now [22:20]
thestringpuller ;;ticker [22:20]
mircea_popescu well so we're screwed by the 13th [22:20]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 82.50001, Best ask: 83.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.49999, Last trade: 83.00000, 24 hour volume: 436129.86770227, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 82.18694 [22:20]
thestringpuller okay there it goes [22:20]
thestringpuller ;;bc,24hprc [22:20]
Namworld the asks are building, the bids are lowering... [22:20]
gribble 81.02 [22:20]
kakobrekla you cant lose 25 an hour anymore, youd be in negative [22:20]
pgp i agree regarding 200 MA... tested and held - I thought it would break... we still might retest... friday nights are historically bad for BTC... [22:20]
mircea_popescu only cvause all the women are out getting drunk [22:20]
Namworld Every 5-7 hours... [22:21]
naemsi I note the 2011 correction was about 70% off and that held until gox got hacked [22:21]
mircea_popescu leaves you pussies to ruin the world's greatest noncurrency [22:21]
Namworld not every hour... although that can't realistically keep on [22:21]
mircea_popescu naemsi this is a good point. [22:21]
Namworld But I called the top right... [22:22]
naemsi the parabolic moves and corrections basically mirror each other, but in 2011 a black swan came in too. [22:22]
Namworld Been going well so far. I'll stick with whatever I'm doing. [22:22]
mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/322791894411251712 [22:22]
joeykrim naemsi, what are you using for charts? [22:22]
mircea_popescu meanwhile [22:22]
naemsi joeykrim: bitcoincharts and excerpts posted on other sites [22:23]
pigeons wow i thought being a gypsy was bad, but that was before i heard that Namworld actually buys servers for his business, what a loser [22:23]
joeykrim naemsi, k thx [22:23]
Namworld what? [22:23]
naemsi joeykrim: although, I haven't been able to get the custom date feature to work lately. [22:24]
thestringpuller ;;ticker [22:24]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 80.56000, Best ask: 80.70000, Bid-ask spread: 0.14000, Last trade: 80.56000, 24 hour volume: 440061.19267461, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 82.17643 [22:24]
Namworld Servers are good =P [22:24]
joeykrim bitcoincharts loads everything but the chart for me currently hah [22:24]
Namworld same for me [22:24]
Namworld been like that for some time [22:24]
guruvan volume is absoultely nuts everywhere [22:25]
mircea_popescu 440k [22:26]
mircea_popescu if that ain't washing i dunno what is. [22:26]
guruvan still 82K @ btce too [22:26]
gesell what would be the issues with building an exchange where run using amazon cloud services partially, for the parts that get ddos'ed? [22:26]
Diablo-D3 http://data.cnbc.com/quotes/MTGOXUSD [22:26]
gesell what tha! [22:27]
gesell boss! [22:27]
mircea_popescu lol everybody joins and drops that link since rthis morning. [22:27]
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gesell i hadnt seen it [22:27]
guruvan pretty big news, really [22:27]
thestringpuller ;;bc,24hprc [22:28]
gribble 81.03 [22:28]
mircea_popescu i still find the 0 volume funnay. [22:28]
joeykrim bitcoin been all over the news, cnbc and bloomberg .. both are watched on big bank trading floors [22:28]
thestringpuller ;;ticker [22:28]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 81.00000, Best ask: 81.20000, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 80.70000, 24 hour volume: 440400.82873140, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 82.17554 [22:28]
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gesell cnbc price also masiively delayed [22:30]
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thestringpuller ;;ticker [22:32]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 83.10000, Best ask: 83.40000, Bid-ask spread: 0.30000, Last trade: 83.10000, 24 hour volume: 441114.24602293, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 82.17493 [22:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00070384 = 12.5284 BTC [+] [22:34]
* Namworld is now known as Namworld-AFK [22:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.0037333 = 3.7333 BTC [-] [22:36]
thestringpuller ;;bc,24hprc [22:36]
gribble 81.03 [22:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2222 @ 0.00373331 = 8.2954 BTC [+] [22:37]
InstantBTC what's driving sdice up so much? [22:38]
mircea_popescu kidna low yet no ? [22:38]
InstantBTC ah well sweet. my sell order went through [22:38]
jborkl Over 2000 btc up so far this month [22:39]
jborkl on SD [22:39]
jborkl not me, I mean SD profit [22:39]
InstantBTC I had a sell at 0.004xxxx something [22:40]
InstantBTC bought pretty low [22:40]
InstantBTC so im happy [22:40]
mircea_popescu wd [22:40]
pigeons i thought yall said lew rockwell didnt like bitcoin? https://www.lewrockwell.com/donate/ [22:40]
topace mircea_popescu: im looking into ddos protection for havelock.. any recommendations ? [22:42]
topace i dont think we're big enough really to get a target on our back, but you can never be too prepared i suppose [22:42]
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mircea_popescu topace the correct way to handle this is to separate your trade engine physically, [22:43]
mircea_popescu and then have people routed through webservers. [22:43]
mircea_popescu if those pop you can always bring up amazon instances at the very least. [22:44]
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mircea_popescu have good encryptioon between trade engine and webservers - even if your users don't know gpg you do. [22:44]
mircea_popescu the stupid solution is to hire somebody like blacklotus i think were probably the best in the game. [22:45]
naemsi and then use a dictionary admin account password [22:45]
mircea_popescu and also have a huge pipe. i mean huge, 10gb dedicated + [22:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 268 @ 0.00373331 = 1.0005 BTC [+] [22:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00373332 = 3.7333 BTC [+] [22:45]
mircea_popescu alternatively if you're good with dns and micro routing stuff you can do your own dns scrubbing/round robining etc. [22:46]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37191 @ 0.00070071 = 26.0601 BTC [-] [23:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29000 @ 0.00069795 = 20.2406 BTC [-] [23:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2909 @ 0.00069449 = 2.0203 BTC [-] [23:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00332445 = 3.3245 BTC [-] [23:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00332444 = 0.3324 BTC [-] [23:09]
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assbot [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.015 BTC [-] [23:16]
pullerofstrings !ticker m ^oix [23:17]
assbot [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 123.90251552 / 218.88143499 / 226.22012381 (14550 shares, 2,478.62 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC) [23:17]
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assbot [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.02497 BTC [-] [23:27]
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assbot [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.024977 BTC [+] [23:27]
assbot [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 52 @ 0.025 = 1.3 BTC [+] [23:28]
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assbot [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 10 @ 0.03 = 0.3 BTC [+] [23:29]
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assbot [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 1 @ 0.0021 BTC [+] [23:33]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] 2300 @ 0.00189999 = 4.37 BTC [-] [23:37]
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MJR_ 3rd CNBC story on bitcoins of the day [23:40]
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kakobrekla summary? [23:40]
thestringpuller ;;seen smickles [23:40]
gribble smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 1 day, 4 hours, 58 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: a bitcoin atm could be the easiest way to send money to a friend, each of you just goes to an atm [23:40]
Doffx He on vacation? [23:41]
mircea_popescu lol @bitcoinity announcement [23:41]
mircea_popescu im sure mtgox has an option. [23:41]
mircea_popescu Doffx afaik getting a new kid. [23:41]
Doffx Oh, sounds painful. [23:42]
thestringpuller kid isn't here yet [23:43]
thestringpuller too busy playing kerbal space program [23:43]
thestringpuller needs to play less kerbal space program and more replying to emails [23:44]
mircea_popescu da heck is kerbal ? [23:44]
Doffx haha [23:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.355 = 1.775 BTC [+] [23:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.355 BTC [+] [23:47]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: look it up [23:48]
thestringpuller but don't play it you might get addicted [23:48]
thestringpuller we may not see you for a few weeks [23:48]
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mircea_popescu im already playing poe [23:48]
mircea_popescu and i don't like nonmedieval games anyway [23:48]
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thestringpuller ;;ticker [23:54]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 91.10000, Best ask: 91.78900, Bid-ask spread: 0.68900, Last trade: 91.78900, 24 hour volume: 473553.42844556, 24 hour low: 54.25000, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 82.68381 [23:54]
thestringpuller ;;bc,24hprc [23:54]
gribble 81.69 [23:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26600 @ 0.00070384 = 18.7221 BTC [+] [23:55]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 71 @ 0.35 = 24.85 BTC [-] [23:58]
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