Forum logs for 11 Oct 2013

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

jborkl	"KNC support just emailed me back saying that 440 ghash (what 50btc reports), 900 watts from the wall, and chip temps of 65-72c in a 58F room are 'within spec'...Not awesome."	[00:02]
jurov	dip it in lube	[00:03]
jurov	er.. oil	[00:03]
kakobrekla	;;calc 440/900	[00:04]
gribble	0.488888888889	[00:04]
mircea_popescu	i forget what the spec was supposed to be	[00:05]
kakobrekla	dunno	[00:05]
jurov	>350GH/s, <1KW for Jupiter	[00:05]
jborkl	Mineral oil is so expensive, I have thought about it many times-	[00:06]
jurov	and it can't be changed for water cooler, can be?	[00:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00968748 = 0.9687 BTC [+] {6}	[00:11]
jborkl	I would have to look at it and see what would fit it, otherwise that could get really expensive - it also might too big of a system to cool it	[00:11]
jborkl	ight be too	[00:11]
jborkl	m	[00:12]
kakobrekla	watercooling is prolly not worth it	[00:12]
jborkl	I thinnk I am going to dnk a blade in mineral oil and see how it does on temps - just for the hell of it	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	so then 900 watt 440 gh is indeed in spec neh ?	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	jurov nah, you need special oil pumps.	[00:18]
kakobrekla	for water cooling a pc? not rly	[00:19]
jurov	i'm no expert.. supposedly it works with normal pc (except hdd), but 1kW is prolly too much	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	jborkl nj.gov/health/eoh/rtkweb/documents/fs/1437.pdf‎	[00:19]
jurov	i mean, submerging it into oil	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	make sure you know what you're doing with that.	[00:20]
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mircea_popescu	it has a slight but present fire hazard and is toxic if it burns.	[00:21]
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mircea_popescu	also a bitch to extinguish	[00:21]
jborkl	hmm, well maybe not then	[00:21]
kakobrekla	you can test if the blown cap can set it on fire	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	lol	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/and-now-i-shall-be-off-scarfing-smoked-salmon-and-fresh-apple-pie-seasoned-with-free-market-tears-or-why-a-collection-of-confused-retards-does-not-amount-to-a-free-market/#comment-95504	[00:23]
ozbot	And now I shall be off scarfing smoked salmon and fresh apple pie seasoned with free market tears, o	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	this is turning into quite the argument	[00:23]
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jborkl	I wonder how the KNC hosting center is holding up to 900 w per unit? Reptilla should take trip to the sauna in there	[00:31]
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jborkl	considering they bought 850 w power supplies, as per the photos	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	good AC should be able to pump out something in the .1 to 1 MW per floor	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	o	[00:32]
jurov	good PSU's can supply more than rated but still something's fishy	[00:34]
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mircea_popescu	it is possible the unit just works with whatever power it's being fed.	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	the knc ppl are slightly underfeeding it,w hich is why it doesn't pop as much ?	[00:36]
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jurov	which is why it doesn't pop as much ? lol	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	well they said theirs don't explode right ?	[00:51]
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jborkl	http://imgur.com/a/s44NM	[00:54]
ozbot	KNC Jupiter - Imgur	[00:54]
jborkl	nice shipping	[00:54]
nanotube	mircea_popescu: http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/09/fatal-crypto-flaw-in-some-government-certified-smartcards-makes-forgery-a-snap/ <- make sure your s.nsa product isn't stupid like this. :)	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	im just here to collect the praise. admonitions go to asciilifeform :D	[00:56]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, someone should make a web key checker already	[00:59]
jurov	As many of 10,000 of these smartcards may provide little or no cryptographic protection despite receiving two internationally recognized certifications.	[00:59]
jurov	^ the web checker would be no better than these certifications	[00:59]
jurov	and i don't see how would devote hours to try cracking all submitted keys like the researchers did	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	jurov it couldn't identify a good key, but it could identify a bad one	[01:01]
jurov	nosuchagency can provide it.. as a marketing tool	[01:03]
mircea_popescu	perhaps.	[01:03]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00085104 = 2.6382 BTC [-]	[01:11]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 246 @ 0.0024189 = 0.595 BTC [-] {2}	[01:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00223127 = 0.8925 BTC [-] {6}	[01:17]
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ThickAsThieves	;;nethash	[01:50]
gribble	1768924.77853	[01:50]
ThickAsThieves	;;bcstats	[01:50]
gribble	Current Blocks: 262831 \| Current Difficulty: 1.8928124928103292E8 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 264095 \| Next Difficulty In: 1264 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 8 hours, 26 minutes, and 31 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 228797587.534 \| Estimated Percent Change: 20.87705	[01:50]
KRS-	Hey vexual you might like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwGdzkJD5N8	[01:55]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 450 @ 0.00084959 = 0.3823 BTC [-]	[03:21]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00084917 = 6.3688 BTC [-] {2}	[03:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2960 @ 0.00019003 = 0.5625 BTC [-] {4}	[03:34]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4897 @ 0.00019002 = 0.9305 BTC [-] {3}	[03:35]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6058 @ 0.00019 = 1.151 BTC [-] {3}	[03:36]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 607 @ 0.00084806 = 0.5148 BTC [+]	[04:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4350 @ 0.00085276 = 3.7095 BTC [+]	[04:34]
BingoBoingo	So... I think math is broke. Apparently the public key for one of my addresses can hash into a different addresss.	[04:34]
mircea_popescu	that's odd. you mean with a different hash ?	[04:38]
nanotube	mircea_popescu> im just here to collect the praise. admonitions go to asciilifeform :D <- in that case... good idea, that cardano thing! :)	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	ty ty	[04:42]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Yeah. I'm working on a report. The report will probably be in the form of a post titled "Fuckity Fuck Fuck" as I GPG sign a revocation of a certain address's message signing privileges.	[04:43]
pankkake	BingoBoingo: it's actually very common for gpg (the short pub key)	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	try and reproduce the behaviour first.	[04:44]
pankkake	it happened to me too	[04:44]
pankkake	that's why people should give the full fingerprint	[04:45]
Jere_Jones	BingoBoingo: Bitcoin addresses are hashed public keys, right? The private key that corresponds to that public key actually has two public keys. A compressed version and a noncompressed version.	[04:45]
BingoBoingo	pankkake: This isn't GPG. It is RIPEMD 160 being able to assign a public key two (maybe more) bitcoin addresses.	[04:45]
Jere_Jones	Well, yeah.	[04:46]
Jere_Jones	256 bits doesn't fit into 160 bits.	[04:46]
BingoBoingo	Fucking NSA bullshit undermining the Integrity of Mathematics.	[04:46]
Jere_Jones	I imagined it to be exceedingly rare though.	[04:46]
pankkake	oh	[04:46]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo that's not possible.	[04:46]
mircea_popescu	multiple privates might hash to the same one address, but that's insanely rare.	[04:47]
mircea_popescu	the same private having ambiguous results however is impossible.	[04:47]
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mircea_popescu	the first would be a collision. the second would be a case of 4+5 being sometimes 8, sometimes 9	[04:47]
Jere_Jones	BingoBoingo, are you saying the same 256 bit public key ran through RIPEMD160 gave you two different answers?	[04:47]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones It is just a standard Bitcoin address's underlying public key. mircea_popescu I'm not sure what to think anymoar. I will say fuck vanitygen.	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	you using a web based service to make the keys ?	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	they're shit. i could never get them to make usable addresses.	[04:50]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: The key wasn't generated on a web based service, but a web based service turned the public key into an unexpected address.	[04:51]
mircea_popescu	because they're broken lol	[04:51]
mircea_popescu	retry with the original method.	[04:51]
Jere_Jones	If you have the private key, turn that into the other public key and see if that gives you the address you're looking for.	[04:52]
BingoBoingo	1LC9GzYK1zjrG9zAvMPExcwHTP8aPYPMyY apparently is an imposter for my beloved 1LvCuntsJyFFQsLuJhBXBPokbQa7SAyMr4 address in the message signed on my contacts and credentials page. I'm trying more messages at the moment, but it looks like GPG is going to have to save the day.	[04:52]
mircea_popescu	i think you're jumping to conclusions.	[04:53]
Jere_Jones	I can help you but you need the private key.	[04:53]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Maybe.	[04:53]
BingoBoingo	Maybe I should go to #bitcoin-dev or wherever the muppets live and troll them up a bit with this.	[04:54]
mircea_popescu	use a proper process to turn privkey into pubkey then hash that and see what you get.	[04:54]
mircea_popescu	wherwe website != proper process	[04:54]
dexX7	mind to give out some samples like messages + signatures for both addresses?	[04:54]
BingoBoingo	dexX7: plug the message and signature here http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/contact-and-credentials/ into http://brainwallet.org/#verify	[04:55]
Jere_Jones	1LC9GzYK1zjrG9zAvMPExcwHTP8aPYPMyY	[04:56]
dexX7	i see, sec	[04:56]
BingoBoingo	The problem is that 1LC9GzYK1zjrG9zAvMPExcwHTP8aPYPMyY could have signed the same message. Maybe it could have signed a more malicious message. Fuck. Just because elliptic curves are sexy doesn't mean they should be used everywhere.	[04:58]
mircea_popescu	i bet you 1LC9GzYK1zjrG9zAvMPExcwHTP8aPYPMyY could not have signed the same message.	[04:59]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Maybe. Maybe it is just some odd intersection and I need to go back to adding giberish at the end of everything I sign.	[05:00]
Jere_Jones	I'm not showing that message verigying with 1LvCunts	[05:00]
mircea_popescu	i tell uyou, the brainwallet implementation is borkt.	[05:04]
mircea_popescu	might be because of how javascript runs on some systems	[05:04]
BingoBoingo	Jere_Jones: At the most charitable where there isn't a collision it ought probably assumed at a minimum Bitcoin address signing merely sucks and is poorly implemented. If you are the sort who goes for minimums.	[05:04]
Jere_Jones	It doesn't verify in bitcoin-qt	[05:04]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Maybe. You'd think they could at least verify things right.	[05:05]
dexX7	hehe odd	[05:05]
dexX7	1HF8us88HGVh7gYEJpjxXS79AW2vDyZiAp	[05:05]
dexX7	is the address that is resolved for this msg/signature	[05:05]
mircea_popescu	ha!	[05:05]
mircea_popescu	so that's a third.	[05:05]
BingoBoingo	Maybe the problem isn't the signature or the message. Maybe Bitcoin Address signing is just fucked.	[05:05]
dexX7	the other two are invalid	[05:05]
mircea_popescu	listen, use a witness signature implementation and check.	[05:05]
mircea_popescu	the site is whack.	[05:05]
dexX7	verified with stock btc client + some php lib that i'm using to resolve (msg, sig) -> addr	[05:06]
dexX7	but it actually should work with "1LvCuntsJyFFQsLuJhBXBPokbQa7SAyMr4"?	[05:06]
Jere_Jones	Yep. bitcoin-qt verified it with that address.	[05:06]
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dexX7	not for me	[05:08]
Jere_Jones	I meant 1HF8us	[05:09]
BingoBoingo	Jeff Gazarizadickbag can suck mine.	[05:09]
dexX7	http://i.imgur.com/GLnJGZ9.png	[05:09]
dexX7	ah k	[05:09]
mircea_popescu	hm	[05:09]
mircea_popescu	they have some bug in the sig implementation ?	[05:10]
mircea_popescu	anyone willing to make 1k keys, sign 1k messages and see if the signed messages actually resolve to the proper keys ?	[05:10]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Probably they have a bug, in the least bad imagining of things.	[05:10]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo are you sure you didn't sign with that other address tghrough some process involving for instance vodka ?	[05:11]
[\]	lol	[05:12]
[\]	Are you sure you even signed it and didn't copy the sig from someone else?	[05:12]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Rather sure. I don't have a key for that other address in any of my wallets. The pages on the blog were some of the few things I remember making sober.	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	apparently sober is bad luck for you. anyway, this warrants some testing.	[05:13]
[\]	not really	[05:14]
PalePhoenix	pankkake parseval parseval1 Perlboy pgp pizzaman1337 PsychoticBoy Pucilowski	[05:14]
[\]	address signing isn't a replacement for gpg signing	[05:14]
mircea_popescu	no, but if address signing works so you sign with one address and it verifyes with another i'd like to know	[05:14]
[\]	Why?	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	because there's enough lols in there to keep us going through a day or two even	[05:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.0008514 = 1.3622 BTC [-]	[05:15]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Yeah, in the meantime: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/contact-and-credentials/ I'll be watching BitBet rather closely to sweep any winnings to safer addresses.	[05:15]
[\]	has AM listed on MPEX yet?	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	mnop	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	;;ident BingoBoingo	[05:16]
[\]	q	[05:16]
gribble	Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is not identified.	[05:16]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Let me gribble real quick	[05:16]
mircea_popescu	just wanted to see if you made an accct	[05:16]
mircea_popescu	whoa!	[05:17]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I finally made a nickserve account	[05:17]
mircea_popescu	i just got pointed out to me that 1LC9GzYK1zjrG9zAv >>MPEx<< cwHTP8aPYPMyY	[05:17]
mircea_popescu	all your itams are belong to me ?	[05:18]
Jere_Jones	I wonder if Havelock is being DDOS'd or if they just can't handle the load of being the stock exchange that receives the most traffic.	[05:21]
BingoBoingo	;;ident BingoBoingo	[05:21]
gribble	Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user BingoBoingo, with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None	[05:21]
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BingoBoingo	I have updated http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/contact-and-credentials/	[05:21]
mircea_popescu	Jere_Jones not that much trading for all that traffic.	[05:22]
Jere_Jones	I know!	[05:22]
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BingoBoingo	It's kind of funny I registered with gribble months ago, yet on I only registered with nickserv last week.	[05:25]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu asciilifeform: Is there a rough estimate on how the Cardano will be priced?	[05:27]
mircea_popescu	well surely there is, but it's not public.	[05:28]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I'm a bit curious because the Cardono seems like something a person would purchase a few of.	[05:31]
mircea_popescu	one for each gf!	[05:31]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: One for each girl. One for each dude providing muscle. The possibilities are endless. General Patraeus would have had a career if only he could have given his side bitch a Cardano.	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	aptly put	[05:35]
BingoBoingo	I imagine a Cardano gift set with lacey panties and a digital camera and a second gift set with a Cardano and a blackjack.	[05:36]
mircea_popescu	anyway, to quote the main man, here	[05:36]
mircea_popescu	shaving pennies off the draft design	[05:36]
Jere_Jones	BingoBoingo: It appears that the people with the expertise you need aren't paying attention in #bitcoin-dev. I'd try back in 12 hours.	[05:37]
BingoBoingo	Jere_Jones: Honestly it doesn't seem like a matter where I need their expertise so much as they need my accident. I mean if they know how this IRC thing works they will know to scroll up.	[05:38]
BingoBoingo	Jere_Jones: If they don't know to scroll up or check logs why are they on the internet and not Facebook.	[05:40]
Jere_Jones	They will, honestly, need more details. A bug report without replication steps is fairly useless.	[05:41]
mircea_popescu	that's a point.	[05:43]
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BingoBoingo	Jere_Jones: Well I'm not offering the private key until at least the last BitBet associated with that address resolves. Maybe some elliptic surves intersected at the point of that message. Maybe it is something worse. It is honestly more their problem than mine though I will be happy to offer them information short of the private key. The replication steps are surprisingly short and I imagine unhelpful.	[05:44]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo you wouldn't offer the private key tho	[05:45]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Of course not, unless someone was paying out more for it than the outstanding BitBet Bets paying to the derived address.	[05:46]
mircea_popescu	can you sign another message with that address btw ?	[05:47]
mircea_popescu	you could do this as a succession of screenshots. here i sign X with address Y	[05:48]
mircea_popescu	here i try to check it and it checks to address Z	[05:48]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Sure, just for shits and giggles I will hope it isn't some PRNG problem.	[05:50]
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dexX7	1. ’ is the source 2. ’ != ´ 3. strlen("’") = 3 x_X 4. it creates a not matching signature every time, if you use ’ + more than 250 other chars	[05:51]
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mircea_popescu	wait what ?	[05:52]
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dexX7	yup	[05:53]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: http://bitbin.it/kChBkUKd dexX7 Are you implying Bitcoin address signatures are more worthless than I though?	[05:53]
mircea_popescu	dexX7 let me say this myself to see.	[05:53]
mircea_popescu	if using particular characters such as ´, the signing goes bonkers creating signatures that go with random addresses instead of the correct address ?	[05:54]
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dexX7	only if you add >= 250 other chars	[05:55]
mircea_popescu	wow.	[05:55]
mircea_popescu	how do you know this ?	[05:55]
BingoBoingo	Fuck this is why Bitcoin needs a mother fucking Spec.	[05:56]
dexX7	i tested it by shortening the message and replacing the chars with others	[05:57]
BingoBoingo	dexX7: Still, there is no reason why Bitcoin address signed messages can't have a container like GPG signatures do. It would be so much easier to demonstrate this is broken or solid if only there were a standard container for signed messages.	[06:00]
dexX7	like ----BEGIN ...?	[06:01]
BingoBoingo	dexX7: I don't know if that is sarcasm, but yes. That is actually incredibly useful to have.	[06:03]
dexX7	i see. yes, it is.	[06:04]
BingoBoingo	dexX7: For better or worse the GPG armored format lets idiots import keys and signatures. I contrast the bitcoin address format has not container and simply solicits information. Apparently that information can often be wrong.	[06:06]
mircea_popescu	dexX7 well wd.	[06:06]
mircea_popescu	this is so much derp i have trouble believing it.	[06:06]
dexX7	did you test it?	[06:06]
mircea_popescu	i don't even dare imagine what'd have happened should anyone have taken garzik's alternative exchange seriously and puit money/effort into that	[06:06]
mircea_popescu	only to discover 6 months later that well...	[06:07]
BingoBoingo	I'm probably just going to watch this for a few times, cum, and then take a relaxing walk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdJRafNcfkw	[06:07]
mircea_popescu	dexX7 nope, i don't have software that does the signature stuff.	[06:07]
dexX7	no standard btc client?	[06:08]
mircea_popescu	nothing recent.	[06:08]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I've also started and aborted a tor study.	[06:08]
BingoBoingo	Box got owned. Nothing subtle at all.	[06:09]
mircea_popescu	lol	[06:09]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: care to elaborate ?	[06:09]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I'm authed on gribble /msg me and I will offer some things on a more disposable venue	[06:10]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: If you want a lot of details use http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgp/ directed at bingoboingo357@gmail.com	[06:14]
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mircea_popescu	so what happens when diff overflows longint on 32bit platforms ?	[13:33]
jurov	mircea_popescu: isn't it float?	[13:36]
mircea_popescu	a	[13:36]
mircea_popescu	i dunno if its implemented as two ints or a float or what	[13:36]
jurov	yes, maybe something can overflow in process of converting it from past hashrate	[13:37]
mircea_popescu	if its a fgloat i guess we're safe, good up to 10^38 if memory serves	[13:38]
*	jurov peeks into teh codez	[13:40]
jurov	they seem to use bignums (via own library)	[13:40]
mircea_popescu	well that's reassuring.	[13:42]
mircea_popescu	so what happens when diff overflows random quirky implementation of bignums on 32bit platforms ?	[13:43]
jurov	...	[13:44]
mircea_popescu	the diff overflows!!1	[13:44]
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mircea_popescu	lmao JPM posts a loss	[14:08]
mircea_popescu	on LEGAL charges.	[14:08]
mircea_popescu	dear all... i think you'd better review your legal budged. it jpm can't quite afford it...	[14:09]
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KRS-	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L89IDDq30J8	[14:25]
ozbot	Good Morning Song - YouTube	[14:25]
KRS-	Good morning from the 'states	[14:26]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/bad-news-for-jpm/	[14:32]
ozbot	Bad news for JPM pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[14:32]
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davout	mircea_popescu: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/trilema.com	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	ty. lessee here	[15:45]
mircea_popescu	davout i see it atm. jus a leetal bit of flooding	[15:46]
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ThickAsThieves	heh "iPhone 5S users report 'Blue Screen Of Death' reboots"	[15:55]
mircea_popescu	apple is now microsoft!	[15:56]
ThickAsThieves	from Gox "Finally, the implementation of this new infrastructure is a prerequisite before we can initiate Midas. There is still a lot of work to be done before we can launch Midas but rest assured this is a priority project for us. Once Midas is up and running we will be able to offer the trading of other digital currencies."	[15:56]
ThickAsThieves	reddite response: "Would be nice if they started trading bitcoin first."	[15:57]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[15:58]
davout	lol	[15:58]
Scrat	lol	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	dude the unending deluge of retared socialist propaganda on the topic of the us budget.	[16:01]
pankkake	so still no communication on widthdrawal issues? it looks like even eur is taking a lot of time	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	pankkake don't worry, it's a priority.	[16:01]
Scrat	pankkake: victims have to deposit so that the other victims can withdraw	[16:02]
ThickAsThieves	http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2013-10/enhanced/webdr03/8/15/anigif_enhanced-buzz-16008-1381258970-14.gif	[16:02]
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mircea_popescu	Scrat also a priority.	[16:02]
ThickAsThieves	http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2013-10/enhanced/webdr02/8/15/anigif_enhanced-buzz-21971-1381259005-9.gif	[16:03]
pankkake	about the shutdown thank god I follow zero traditional media	[16:03]
pankkake	the only thing to say is "Washington Monument syndrome"	[16:03]
ThickAsThieves	the whole page gets pretty funny http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/the-whitest-things-that-have-ever-happened	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	"Obama and his urbanized, racially diverse supporters are transforming America into something unrecognizable"	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	get a load of that shit. obama at 37%, one over bush's career low, has supporters now ?	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	the perpetually-on-welfare, illegal immigrants and all the rest of the "low information voter" scum is urbanized >?	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	what the fuck is wrong with people.	[16:05]
pankkake	illegal immigrants vote?	[16:05]
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mircea_popescu	in the us they do, yes.	[16:05]
pankkake	in the journalist' mind racially diverse supporters are	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	twice.	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	once illegally and once imigratorily.	[16:06]
pankkake	transforming America into something unrecognizable and urbanized is just a way to make them Good Guys. it doesn't matter if it's accurate	[16:06]
pankkake	ugh wrong paste	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	what annoys me most is that the prostitute i quoted is a) a pulizer prize winner and b) not actually getting paid for his sexual services.	[16:06]
pankkake	in the journalists' minds "racially diverse" and "urbanized" is just a way to make them Good Guys. it doesn't matter if it's accurate	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	i'm aware.	[16:07]
pankkake	lol at stolen pony	[16:10]
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ThickAsThieves	"Rockstar offers $500,000 of in-game cash to frustrated GTA Online players" SEC gonna step in?	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	lol. definitely.	[16:54]
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test675	hi	[17:11]
test675	anyone in here?	[17:12]
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mircea_popescu	yes	[17:15]
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lewicki	.D	[17:33]
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ThickAsThieves	nothing new but http://bitcoinexaminer.org/bitfunder-com-is-closing-all-activities-to-united-states-users/	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	o hey, there's an examiner now ? who runs it mike magee ?	[17:39]
ThickAsThieves	another courtroom masterpiece http://bitcoinexaminer.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/131009-internet-drugs-6p.photoblog600.jpg	[17:41]
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mircea_popescu	is the judge that derpy ? and who's black ? dpr was a white kid	[17:50]
ThickAsThieves	the public defender	[17:51]
ThickAsThieves	i think that artist draws with a derpy pen, no avoiding it	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	lol that's a new one	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	"i'd love to go out on a date, but you've been drawn with the derpy pen"	[17:52]
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mircea_popescu	wait the oliver twist figure on the left is dpr ?	[17:52]
ThickAsThieves	yes	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	i regret cubist court painters never took off.	[17:54]
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ThickAsThieves	i like the purple halo everyone has	[17:55]
ThickAsThieves	sweet bowtie on the judge too	[17:55]
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ThickAsThieves	holy crap http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2013/10/absurd-creature-6-foot-salamander/	[17:57]
Rulother	I would eat it	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	the way the economy is going, you may have to.	[17:58]
ThickAsThieves	i wasnt aware an amphibian could be so large	[17:58]
Rulother	That guy's left hand looks to be in a, bad position.	[17:58]
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KRS1	in Miami, Florida we have these big monitor type lizards that get to be that big..they've become a bit of a problem..people got them as small pets and let them go into the wild to reproduce.	[18:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.415 BTC [+]	[18:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 15 @ 0.00919999 = 0.138 BTC [+]	[18:15]
KRS1	i've seen them 4-6 ft..thats a big damn lizard.	[18:16]
kakobrekla	you are in miami?	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	they're a problem in costa rica too. they tend to play in the sewage pipes and sometiems get stuck.	[18:17]
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ThickAsThieves	but lizards are not amphibians	[18:18]
ThickAsThieves	large reptiles are wellknown	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	wasnt this found in water ?	[18:19]
KRS1	true but its cool these things sometimes cross the street in the middle of a big city	[18:20]
KRS1	heres what im seeing http://www.newsytype.com/8404-monitor-lizards-florida/	[18:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.001199 = 0.1199 BTC [+]	[18:20]
KRS1	better that thing smell like pepper than body odor	[18:21]
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gribble	mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 14 minutes and 28 seconds ago: wasnt this found in water ?	[18:34]
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jcpham	http://youtu.be/RBqjZ0KZCa0	[18:53]
ozbot	Somebody need to pay for my 15 kids - YouTube	[18:53]
jcpham	and be held accountable	[18:54]
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jborkl	Mircea_popescu, you around?	[19:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 54 @ 0.42999999 = 23.22 BTC [-] {2}	[19:02]
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ThickAsThieves	http://thegenesisblock.com/coinlab-files-response-mt-gox-lawsuit/	[19:15]
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ozbot	CoinLab Files Response in Mt. Gox Lawsuit - The Genesis Block	[19:15]
matthew_boyd	o/ ThickAsThieves	[19:15]
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nubbins`	hi	[19:17]
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phungus	I wish Havelock would respond to ANY of BitVPS's queries about possibly moving to their exchange	[19:21]
phungus	Anyone here associated with Havelock?	[19:21]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00085326 = 3.5837 BTC [+] {2}	[19:21]
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kakobrekla	phungus: topace	[19:22]
phungus	topace	[19:23]
phungus	gotcha	[19:23]
phungus	thanks	[19:23]
topace	yes ?	[19:23]
topace	oh	[19:23]
topace	our emails have been down	[19:23]
topace	for 2 days	[19:23]
topace	DDOS	[19:23]
phungus	hey. Namworld has been emailing for weeks though	[19:23]
topace	our inbound emails	[19:23]
phungus	I think	[19:23]
topace	oh	[19:23]
phungus	ever since the BTCT announcement	[19:23]
topace	we arent taking on any new listings at the moment	[19:23]
phungus	we have shareholders that are screwed atm	[19:23]
phungus	oh crap	[19:23]
phungus	:-(	[19:23]
topace	until we figure out our regulatory situation	[19:23]
phungus	that is sad because BitVPS is a legit, real company	[19:23]
arij	O_o	[19:24]
topace	indeed	[19:24]
arij	halp	[19:24]
topace	hold tight	[19:24]
topace	once we get our emails back up	[19:24]
topace	we're close to finalizing details with our lawyers	[19:24]
phungus	well that is good	[19:24]
topace	and should have answers soon	[19:24]
phungus	we would love to grace your exchange with our ticket	[19:24]
topace	and _hopefully_ can oepn back up applications	[19:24]
phungus	ticker	[19:24]
phungus	:-)	[19:24]
topace	but we will NOT carte-blanche accept all listings from btct/bf, normal due diligence rules will still apply	[19:25]
phungus	yeah, understood	[19:25]
topace	historicallyl we	[19:25]
matthew_boyd	I have an alt-coin ticker. :D	[19:25]
phungus	like I said before, we're probably one of the only 'real' businesses	[19:25]
topace	historically, we've rejected about 90% of applicants	[19:25]
topace	yea	[19:25]
phungus	and we've been around for 2 years now	[19:25]
topace	i like bitvps	[19:25]
topace	i have a vps with you :p	[19:25]
phungus	hah	[19:25]
phungus	werd	[19:25]
phungus	well, at least we know where it stands now	[19:25]
topace	i originally tried to use it to run my websocket from, but gave up, and went to pusher.com	[19:26]
phungus	topace: we have some new dedi offerings that are about to be ready that might work better	[19:26]
phungus	48GB ram, quad cores	[19:26]
phungus	I bet that would be enough	[19:26]
phungus	:-)	[19:26]
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arij	dual quadcore	[19:27]
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arij	*	[19:27]
phungus	but also, it depends on the tech underneath. We have SSD nodes, KVM. Xen, and OpenVZ	[19:27]
phungus	yes, dual quad cores	[19:27]
phungus	for under $200/mo	[19:27]
phungus	I think	[19:27]
arij	thats right :)	[19:27]
topace	brb phone	[19:27]
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nubbins`	http://bitbet.us/bet/552/havelock-will-announce-us-restrictions-by-guy-fawkes/	[19:31]
ozbot	BitBet - Havelock will announce US restrictions by Guy Fawkes Night	[19:31]
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topace	heh cna i use insider knowledge to bet ?	[19:37]
jimmy2k	damn shit, i just saw someone who won a 1 - 10 odds bet 40 times in a row	[19:38]
topace	guess there's no wya of stopping me	[19:38]
jimmy2k	on just-dice… wtf?	[19:38]
nubbins`	topace: you sure can!	[19:38]
phungus	lol	[19:38]
phungus	so	[19:38]
phungus	watch bitbet currently	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell jborkl yeah	[19:38]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[19:38]
phungus	watch what happens after topace bets	[19:39]
phungus	all of us benefit	[19:39]
phungus	lol	[19:39]
phungus	Weighted No: 23`297	[19:39]
phungus	Weighted Yes: 35`904	[19:39]
phungus	Current weight: 91`025 ( from 100`000 to 1 )	[19:39]
phungus	Confirmed bets: 5 ( No: 2 / Yes: 3 )	[19:39]
phungus	ok	[19:39]
nubbins`	watch what happens when i place a 1btc bet and everyone thinks it's topace	[19:39]
phungus	so there is our start	[19:39]
phungus	lol	[19:39]
phungus	only 5 bets so far	[19:39]
jimmy2k	is dooglus here sometimes?	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	yeah, occasionally.	[19:41]
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jcpham	when is guy fawkes night and who the fuck is guy fawkes	[19:41]
jimmy2k	how is his nick then mircea_popescu ?	[19:41]
jimmy2k	like in the forum?	[19:41]
jimmy2k	;;seen dooglus?	[19:42]
gribble	I have not seen dooglus?.	[19:42]
ThickAsThieves	he's almost never here	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	it	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	s dooglus	[19:42]
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mircea_popescu	;;seen dooglus	[19:43]
gribble	dooglus was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 weeks, 1 day, 13 hours, 51 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: seen mircea_popescu?	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	lolk	[19:43]
jimmy2k	i really think there is an issue with the random generator	[19:43]
jimmy2k	how freakin unlikely is it that someone wins a 1-9 odds bet 40 times in a row	[19:44]
nubbins`	jcpham: november 5, duh!	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	you know how to calculate those odds ?	[19:44]
nubbins`	bonfire night	[19:44]
nubbins`	;;seen dooglus	[19:44]
gribble	dooglus was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 weeks, 1 day, 13 hours, 52 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: seen mircea_popescu?	[19:44]
jimmy2k	1/9^40	[19:44]
jcpham	oic	[19:44]
jimmy2k	actully its 1/10^40	[19:45]
jimmy2k	thats really not realistic	[19:45]
jimmy2k	...	[19:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.00084991 = 4.717 BTC [-] {2}	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	that	[19:46]
nubbins`	ie-40!	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	s not exactly correct tho	[19:46]
nubbins`	i mean, 1e-40	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	did the person do the same exact thing ?	[19:47]
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mircea_popescu	i mean, having 1 come out of 40 consecutive 1-10 rolls is not the same as having a player always bet on the correct outcome 40 times in a row	[19:48]
ThickAsThieves	the odds are 1:9, each time. Simple!	[19:48]
nubbins`	well, yes	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	but that aside, we have had all sorts of doubts and suspicions about that for months now.	[19:48]
nubbins`	each individual roll is 1:9	[19:48]
nubbins`	40 in a row, though	[19:49]
nubbins`	infinitesimally small	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	this includes dooglus himself, but so far nobody's proven much	[19:49]
nubbins`	although obv just as likely to happen as any other given 40-roll combo	[19:49]
*	nubbins` shrugs	[19:49]
nubbins`	sometimes you get a royal flush	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` there's a l'hospital rule which tells you what are the odds of Y probabilty event occuring in X tries.	[19:49]
nubbins`	yep	[19:49]
nubbins`	<--math degree	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	aha. so ok. out of what, 10^7 bets or so ?	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	40 consecutive 1's in a 1-10 roll are still pretty darn unlikely.	[19:50]
jimmy2k	i will upload the screen in the forum as soon as i am at home	[19:50]
jurov	phungus, namworld: why "pls halp"? just track the shares on your own... problem solved	[19:50]
jimmy2k	honestly… this is crazy	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	jimmy2k one thing you can do is simulate it.	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	they allow 0 btc bets iirc.	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	you can run that for a while and see the quality.	[19:51]
Bunnyh	jimmy2k: maybe you had your filter set up so that you only saw the wins?	[19:51]
phungus	jurov: I've thought about that	[19:51]
Bunnyh	if you filter for btc won, not btc risked	[19:51]
phungus	jurov: not sure we have the resources, honestly	[19:51]
jurov	phungus" i	[19:51]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 65 @ 0.07320179 = 4.7581 BTC [-] {20}	[19:52]
jurov	phungus i can make you an app for simple registration and shares transfers	[19:52]
jurov	for, say, 5btc	[19:52]
jurov	aint rocket science	[19:52]
phungus	jurov: hmmmm	[19:52]
phungus	jurov: I will discuss this with the others	[19:52]
phungus	jurov: thx	[19:53]
jurov	no trade engine necessary	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	so here's the beauty of american courts. in May Coinlab sues MtGox. In SEPTEMBER!!! MtGox replies.	[19:53]
mjr_	lol	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	on the other hand, in August USG sues pirate, the same day the judge rules and the sentence is passed.	[19:54]
mjr_	how is everyone	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	i gotta buy my own magistrate judges, this is a scandal.	[19:54]
mjr_	its funny	[19:54]
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mjr_	in pakistan, one of the things the taliban offered the people was prompt speedy court trials	[19:54]
mjr_	and the people supported them because of that	[19:54]
mjr_	because it was possible to die of old age before getting your day in court in pakistan	[19:55]
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mjr_	of course, the taliban did not turn out to be the nice helpful people one would have hoped for	[19:55]
mjr_	but still, access to speedy redress by law is a big need for people	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	ya well herp. tyvm but a court system that waits after hours to suck govt cock, like the recent lavabit case	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	and then does jack shit in private cases... heh. tyvm, but no.	[19:56]
mjr_	yeah	[19:56]
mjr_	i agree	[19:56]
nubbins`	well, govt is govt	[19:56]
mjr_	my point is that when courts start sucking this bad, people will even support the taliban to get the services they need	[19:56]
nubbins`	provincial govt here has a nice trick where they issue press releases at 4:30pm on fridays	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/	[19:56]
ozbot	So who’s running the Courts circus ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[19:56]
nubbins`	so media doesn't get around to serious coverage til the following monday	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	check that shit out. the judge actually sat around thje courthouse after closing time to write orders	[19:56]
jborkl	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297503.msg3320083#msg3320083	[19:57]
ozbot	[ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated]	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	mjr_ you prolly have a poin there.	[19:57]
jborkl	fancy new bitcoin accounting	[19:57]
nubbins`	hahahahahahaha	[19:57]
nubbins`	sales include promises to buy	[19:58]
nubbins`	sweet	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	an0 or death.	[19:58]
nubbins`	"so basically if you abandoned your shopping cart because you wanted a cointerra instead, ken is still counting your order as a sale"	[19:58]
nubbins`	lel	[19:58]
jborkl	I think PR needs to get involved in that one :)	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` any editor worth his salt would in response make fridays workdays 8am to 8pm and give ppl tuesday of	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	jborkl selfmod threads get ignored.	[19:59]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: then how are they supposed to write indignant editorials?	[19:59]
jborkl	ah, did not notice that	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	you just lock them in the office. "you leave here once you've covered the prs"	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	make it clear that as long as the provincial govt continues with the practice, everyone's weekeend is shot.	[20:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.9999 BTC [-]	[20:00]
nubbins`	ooh, i've been selected for a free cruise to the bahamas!	[20:01]
nubbins`	all i must do is press 1 to participate in a survey!!	[20:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1550 @ 0.00085477 = 1.3249 BTC [+]	[20:02]
nubbins`	i used to hang up on calls like this, now i just lay the phone down and let the robocaller time out	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	sorry nubs, the bahamas is shutdown	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	because it is part of the OCEAN	[20:02]
nubbins`	yeah afaik the usa claims jurisdiction over oceans	[20:02]
nubbins`	because americans drink water	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	seems reasonable.	[20:03]
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jborkl	so if someone in Africa pees in the ocean , is that a act of terror?	[20:05]
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jborkl	threat level yellow	[20:05]
nubbins`	we pump raw sewage into the ocean here, we're probably on all types of lists	[20:05]
jborkl	of are you French?	[20:06]
jborkl	oh	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	the japanese pumped fukushima waste water into the ocean	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	terrorists.	[20:06]
nubbins`	nah canadian	[20:06]
nubbins`	TBF they built a sewage treatment plant	[20:06]
nubbins`	but of course the contractors fucked it up and it's been shut down until it can be fixed	[20:07]
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jborkl	I went of vacation to Martinugue, they still have open sewer systems draining down the side of the road :/	[20:07]
nubbins`	:0	[20:07]
jborkl	Martinique	[20:07]
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nubbins`	my apartment in second-best korea was near an open sewer	[20:08]
nubbins`	the smell still reminds me of that place	[20:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2950 @ 0.00085477 = 2.5216 BTC [+]	[20:08]
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mircea_popescu	do you mean that in a good way ?	[20:10]
ThickAsThieves	The inability of people to follow directions is appalling	[20:10]
nubbins`	nah	[20:11]
mircea_popescu	jesus twitter is almost as stupid as reddit by now.	[20:11]
nubbins`	while i appreciate the experience, i had an overall negative experience while living in SK	[20:11]
nubbins`	now the smell of sewage reminds me of bad times	[20:12]
nubbins`	which, i suppose, is fitting	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	what were you doing there anyway ?	[20:12]
nubbins`	same thing every canadian with a university degree was doing	[20:12]
nubbins`	teaching english	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	scoring cheap azn cunt for packaged consumer goods ?	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	or that.	[20:12]
nubbins`	and that	[20:13]
nubbins`	plenty of "party girls" karaoke bars	[20:13]
nubbins`	anyway, relatively high pay, relatively low cost of living	[20:13]
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nubbins`	you can get drunk every night, eat out every day, and still send home $1000+ per month	[20:14]
mircea_popescu	ya but you're surrouinded by idiots and wasting your time.	[20:14]
nubbins`	well, that's only half true	[20:15]
nubbins`	(half the people are idiots and half your time is wasted)	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	lol	[20:15]
nubbins`	i'm of two minds on the whole thing	[20:15]
nubbins`	it was my first time travelling to a foreign country alone, which led to me being bitten by the travel bug, which i consider a huge positive	[20:16]
nubbins`	and i was able to pay off my student loans in only 9 months	[20:16]
mircea_popescu	i dunno, in my experience citizens of totalitarian regimes make excellent servants but poor company.	[20:16]
nubbins`	nono, i said second-best korea	[20:16]
nubbins`	not best korea	[20:16]
mircea_popescu	o o wait.	[20:16]
mircea_popescu	i mixed them up huh. kay.	[20:17]
mircea_popescu	diff story then	[20:17]
nubbins`	everybody does	[20:17]
nubbins`	did you know samsung makes cars over there?	[20:17]
nubbins`	and apartment building complexes?	[20:17]
mircea_popescu	yeah	[20:17]
mircea_popescu	chaebol thing	[20:17]
nubbins`	and kimchi fridges, which is possibly the strangest home appliance i've ever seen	[20:17]
nubbins`	s/is/are	[20:17]
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mircea_popescu	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/South_Korea's_GDP_(PPP)_growth_from_1911_to_2008.png	[20:18]
mircea_popescu	the bitcoin of countries.	[20:18]
nubbins`	they do not fuck around at all	[20:18]
ThickAsThieves	I'm getting migration requests for "TAT.S.MPOE-PT"	[20:18]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[20:18]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: large gap between rich and poot	[20:19]
nubbins`	i mean poor	[20:19]
phungus	rich and poot	[20:19]
phungus	lol	[20:19]
phungus	mmm are you rich or do you poot?	[20:19]
nubbins`	old ladies selling boiled insects on street corners outside 100-story skyscrapers	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	that gap is the best thing in the world.	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves is that a good thing ?	[20:20]
nubbins`	but even the poor have lots of tech	[20:20]
nubbins`	that old lady selling bugs has a cellphone that can receive live television 200ft underground	[20:21]
nubbins`	it's a country of really odd juxtapositions	[20:21]
nubbins`	anyway, that GDP chart is more luck than anything. it was decided that the north part of korea would be used for agriculture and the south part for industry	[20:22]
nubbins`	but then war-by-proxy drew a nice wide line through the middle	[20:22]
nubbins`	and it turned out industry was more of a money-maker than growing rice	[20:23]
ThickAsThieves	ThickAsThieves is that a good thing ? --- I run no such PT	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	where's luck figure into that ?	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves there you go, crashing people's dreams.	[20:24]
nubbins`	well, if they decided that agriculture belonged in the south, then seoul wouldn't exist	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	they were rich in inexistent pt holdings of mpoe stock	[20:24]
nubbins`	and best korea would be making kimchi fridges	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` no it wouldn't.	[20:24]
ThickAsThieves	they of course are thinking of Namworld's PT	[20:24]
ThickAsThieves	but funny how they just add TAT. in front and email me	[20:24]
ThickAsThieves	and presume it exists on Havelock	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	lol	[20:25]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: you're suggesting that proximity to china/ussr was more of a deciding factor in NK's fate?	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` im suggesting that the part in which the govt was going to be strong was going to starve, and the part where the govt was going to suck entrepreneur cock was going to boom.	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	this irrespective of any considerations whatsoever at all.	[20:26]
nubbins`	hmm	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	if you use the state to borrow money which you give to the business people to do stuff, you'll be rich. it worked fgor koreea, it worked for venice 1k years before that.	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	if you use the state for any other purpose, including "to make people happy", to "fight racism" or whatever, to clean up grafitti,	[20:26]
nubbins`	that's an interesting point	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	you will starve.	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	strictly the only consideration is how dedicated the whole of society is to sucking businessman cock.	[20:27]
nubbins`	SK as a rule are intensely dedicated to this	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	yea	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	it shows, for instance in that graph.	[20:27]
nubbins`	you can seriously buy buddhist charms that are supposed to give you luck in your government exams	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	it's not luck except in the sense of "they got lucky", now they have cum on upper lip.	[20:28]
nubbins`	like, specifically, those particular exams	[20:28]
nubbins`	not general luck, or even general academic luck	[20:28]
nubbins`	anyway, only i think 1/4 of the population was buddhist	[20:29]
nubbins`	much more laid back than the christian 1/4, which was unwaveringly insufferable	[20:29]
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ThickAsThieves	why do buddhists care about luck?	[20:29]
ThickAsThieves	isn't buddhism like nihilism made into a less depressing concept	[20:30]
phungus	lol	[20:30]
nubbins`	nah, they're all about karma	[20:31]
nubbins`	in the actual sense of the word, not the misappropriated sense	[20:31]
ThickAsThieves	but i recall the epitome of buddhism being nothingness	[20:31]
ThickAsThieves	impact-neutral zen	[20:32]
nubbins`	well, the goal is zen/nirvana/whatever more often than not	[20:32]
ThickAsThieves	or whatever	[20:32]
ThickAsThieves	uh oh	[20:32]
ThickAsThieves	...	[20:32]
nubbins`	but you can't be zen if you don't pass your government exams	[20:32]
nubbins`	and marry and have kids (bonus points if it's a lucky year)	[20:32]
nubbins`	and take care of your parents/in-laws until they die	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	doesn't sound too zen to me.	[20:33]
nubbins`	did i mention there are huge alcohol problems?	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	how about the govt can't be zen until it passes you and the future wife can;'t be zen untill she marries you and gets pregnant ?	[20:33]
ThickAsThieves	D3, why do you always wanna do things that can't be done, and then execute on things that shouldnt be done?	[20:33]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: that's not far off from the reality	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves what did he do now ?	[20:34]
nubbins`	the future wife literally cannot be zen until she is married with children	[20:34]
ThickAsThieves	[13:32] I think I could make an open source GPU	[20:34]
ThickAsThieves	[13:32] that could beat amd and nvidia	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` cool. i imagine dating is very relaxing there	[20:34]
nubbins`	it's very stressful	[20:34]
nubbins`	they have colour days at least once a month with the intent of fostering romance	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	http://world.time.com/2013/10/08/north-korea-puts-troops-on-war-footing-and-warns-of-horrible-disaster/	[20:35]
ozbot	North Korea Puts Troops on War Footing and Warns of ‘Horrible Disaster’ \| TIME.com	[20:35]
nubbins`	valentines day, men give gifts to women. white day (march 14), women give gifts to men. green day, singles wear green	[20:35]
nubbins`	etc etc	[20:35]
nubbins`	pepero day, everyone gives each other pepero	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	no dildo day ?	[20:35]
nubbins`	not yet	[20:35]
nubbins`	although there is a sex park on jeju island	[20:36]
nubbins`	that lots of couples visit on honeymoon	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	sponsored by jeju jel ?	[20:36]
ThickAsThieves	maybe NK should actually shoot someone so people can take them seriosly	[20:36]
ThickAsThieves	u	[20:36]
nubbins`	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Love_Land_interactive_articulated_puppet.jpg	[20:36]
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mircea_popescu	jesus that looks sad	[20:36]
nubbins`	http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Scenes+Theme+Park+Love+Land+Jeju+KRBK46RtoMbl.jpg	[20:37]
nubbins`	some of it is EPIC	[20:37]
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nubbins`	http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Scenes+Theme+Park+Love+Land+Jeju+_V7gdKGA_FNl.jpg	[20:37]
ThickAsThieves	awesome	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	kinda shitty.	[20:37]
ThickAsThieves	why are all the men western	[20:37]
nubbins`	http://cdn2.listsoplenty.com/listsoplenty-cdn/pix/uploads/2012/03/South-Korea_s-Jeju-Island-Love-Land.jpg	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	i dunno man, i'm born among the greek sculpture work.	[20:37]
nubbins`	yeah	[20:38]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[20:38]
nubbins`	doesn't hold a candle to that, i guess	[20:38]
nubbins`	there was one sculpture that was literally a glory hole	[20:38]
nubbins`	can't find a pic	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	http://img.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/1166615591_10.thumbnail.jpg	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	that is kinda good.	[20:38]
nubbins`	aha!	[20:38]
nubbins`	http://cdn.enjoyourholiday.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Jeju-sex-park-Korea-image15.jpg	[20:38]
ThickAsThieves	mother nature getting some	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	http://img.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/1166615591_06.thumbnail.jpg why's the guy derpy and fat ?	[20:39]
nubbins`	prolly cos he's white	[20:39]
nubbins`	http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Scenes+Theme+Park+Love+Land+Jeju+KXsx0UHWB_vl.jpg	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	do they have a "topless only" rule for visiting ?	[20:39]
nubbins`	nah, koreans are too prudish for that	[20:40]
ThickAsThieves	so it's a sex park to see statues, not to have sex	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	well... a park with niormal statues where the girls had to check out their blouse at the entrance	[20:40]
nubbins`	honestly, the fact this park exists is extremely bizarre, given their attitudes toward sex in general	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	would work a lot better than this atrocity.	[20:40]
nubbins`	not as repressed as japan, but close	[20:40]
nubbins`	http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Scenes+Theme+Park+Love+Land+Jeju+gX5qq4sFQfRl.jpg	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	im sorry but here you'd flunk art school if that was your product	[20:40]
nubbins`	^^^ common sight	[20:40]
ThickAsThieves	this park would probly do well in NY	[20:40]
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mircea_popescu	maybe they should make topless day. on april 15th you take your gf to the magical park and she gives you her top.	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	then you give her a dinner and a movie or w/e they do	[20:42]
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nubbins`	dinner and some karaoke	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	a ok. shrimp and shit ? or what's the best meal there ?	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	bird's nest ?	[20:42]
nubbins`	korean cuisine is the best in the world, bar none	[20:43]
nubbins`	it's the only reason i'd ever consider going back there	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	msut be all the piss.	[20:43]
mod6	lol	[20:43]
nubbins`	dolsot bibimbap is really good	[20:43]
nubbins`	as is kimchi jjigae	[20:44]
nubbins`	all of it, really	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	A North Korean military spokesman said that the U.S. would be “wholly accountable for the unexpected horrible disaster” that faced its “imperialist aggression forces.”	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	well if it's unexpected...	[20:44]
nubbins`	see, traditional korean food is not only delicious as fuck, but good for you	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` hey you canadian folks didn't also teach logic did you	[20:44]
nubbins`	traditional food here is root vegetables and salt beef	[20:44]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: logic has no place in north/south relations	[20:44]
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mircea_popescu	it's the same thing in romania, traditional food is delicious and good for oyu. it's the same thing in all countries where "traditional" means 2k years rather than w/e, 60	[20:45]
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mod6	pizza rolls arent traditional?	[20:45]
nubbins`	whitey has been on this island for 500 years	[20:45]
nubbins`	and it's been salt fish, salt beef, and root veg that whole time	[20:45]
nubbins`	now everyone is fat and has heart attacks	[20:46]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.popehat.com/2013/10/10/silk-road-update-federal-prosecutors-file-separate-forfeiture-complaint/	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	lol the entire "gimme money" uncle sam tactics don't work so well in btc ?	[20:46]
nubbins`	you'd think they'd at least cc the bitcoin foundation on that complaint	[20:46]
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nubbins`	"identity hearing"?	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves who's running the popehat ?	[20:47]
ThickAsThieves	dunno	[20:47]
nubbins`	UNITED STATES v. ANY AND ALL ASSETS OF SILK ROAD, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE SILK ROAD HIDDEN WEBSITE AND ANY AND ALL BITCOINS CONTAINED IN WALLET FILES RESIDING ON SILK ROAD SERVERS, INCLUDING THE SERVERS ASSIGNED THE FOLLOWING INTERNET PROTOCOL ADDRESSES: 46.183.219.244; 109.163.234.40; 193.107.86.34; 193.107.86.49; 207.106.6.25; AND 207.106.6.32;	[20:48]
nubbins`	that is a comical case name	[20:48]
ThickAsThieves	"“Don’t let tea farmers get f**d, buy directly from the source. Don’t let the financial system f* us, use bitcoin!”	[20:49]
ThickAsThieves	Elyse Petersen, founder and CEO of Hawaii-based farm-direct tea marketplace Tealet, felt these were the right words to accompany her company’s announcement that it would begin accepting bitcoin payments starting 17th September. They echoed Tealet’s core values, illustrated bitcoin’s utility and grabbed attention.	[20:49]
ThickAsThieves	Unfortunately, some of Tealet’s partners didn’t appreciate the message."	[20:49]
nubbins`	users' unspent funds are not the proceeds of crime though, hey?	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` moreover meaningless.	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	it's a case against unspecified items.	[20:50]
nubbins`	o	[20:50]
nubbins`	well!	[20:50]
jurov	What if Silk Road is holding some of your Bitcoins as part of some transaction? Why, all you have to do is show up and make a claim for them — in a case in which the government is saying that all or substantially all of the transactions through Silk Road are federal crimes. Bring a toothbrush.	[20:50]
nubbins`	UNITED STATES v. EVERYTHING	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	"i hereby sue all the people who might have pissed me off"	[20:50]
ThickAsThieves	and may piss you off in the future?	[20:50]
ThickAsThieves	might as well cover that too	[20:50]
nubbins`	jurov: well, an idiot would make a claim for in-limbo funds	[20:50]
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mircea_popescu	the usg is not that advanced as of yet.	[20:50]
nubbins`	how about the guy who just transferred 1btc to his SR wallet?	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	tho the lavabit prosecutor was TRYING, as the judge pointed out	[20:51]
nubbins`	that judge deserves some bitcoin	[20:51]
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mircea_popescu	no judge deserves any bitcoin.	[20:52]
nubbins`	jurov: siezing funds in user accounts is like the cops knocking on my door and demanding the contents of any jars with "to be used for drugs" on the label	[20:53]
nubbins`	future crime!	[20:53]
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ThickAsThieves	i dunno	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	actually if the us residend youth wasn't braindamaged, there'd be a bunch of "DRUGS" labeled containers everwhere	[20:54]
ThickAsThieves	this is more like	[20:54]
jurov	so why the distingushed author felt a need of such utterance?	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	as well as a bunch of "child porn" files on all hard drives	[20:54]
ThickAsThieves	you give your money to drug distributor as credit for future buys	[20:54]
ThickAsThieves	and he gets nabbed	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	This seems an opportune time to add, for the benefit of readers who weren't around in the 1980's, that the law pertaining to in rem forfeitures developed in the context of narcotics seizures. Prior to that, the legal maxim, the law abhors a forfeiture, was the rule, and judges were generally antagonistic to forfeiture proceedings.	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	In the 80's, with the crack outbreak, the feds began aggressively seeking forfeiture of proceeds, substitute proceeds and instrumentalities of crime. At the time, no one (except those of us actively engaged in the drug and forfeiture defense ) gave a damn, and the law that developed was quite harsh.	[20:54]
ThickAsThieves	dont pretend these people deserve their btc back	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	there. good poibnt. the entire in rem proceeding is a laughable piece of nonsense, in law.	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves unless you have proof of the foregoing, it's not that they "deserve" it.	[20:55]
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mircea_popescu	it's that it;s theirs and you're stealing it.	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	no better than the guy you're supposedly prosecuting. in fact, worse. he traded, he didn't steal.	[20:55]
ThickAsThieves	but the accounts are owned by SR	[20:55]
ThickAsThieves	not the users	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	says who ?	[20:56]
ThickAsThieves	SR holds the keys	[20:56]
asciilifeform	actually the current US policy re: forfeiture is very exactly Soviet.	[20:56]
nubbins`	well, my house is owned by the bank. doesn't mean they can come take my television.	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	cool. gotta remember this for the pirate case.	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	he owned the btc right ?	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform indeed.	[20:56]
ThickAsThieves	in that case he issued securities	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	nono, it was his btc.	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	cause he had the keys.	[20:56]
ThickAsThieves	he was not the marketplace, was he?	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	derp.	[20:57]
nubbins`	what's the argument for these people not "deserving" their btc back?	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` they had it, the government wants it.	[20:57]
jurov	they are all criminalz	[20:57]
nubbins`	because they put them on a website where bad people sold bad things?	[20:57]
nubbins`	i advance the opinion that it's not anyone else's place to decide who deserves my money, regardless of where i keep it	[20:58]
deadweasel	you kept money on SR?	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	coming soon to a walmart near you, your car was impounded because you parked it last month in the parking lot of a supermarket that was violating federal regulation #.	[20:58]
ThickAsThieves	i'm not saying my point is a solid argument to do it, but we all know those people wont get their coins	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves well yeah they won't. but there's no solid argument, and that's important.	[20:59]
nubbins`	tat, we all know this, yes	[20:59]
nubbins`	we also all know that it's groundless	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	basicvally the usg is indistinguishable in practice from the common criminal.	[20:59]
nubbins`	but it won't be fought for	[20:59]
ThickAsThieves	even if they wanted to give them back, could they do so reliably?	[20:59]
ThickAsThieves	maybe they hire TATI to do migrations	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	ahahah	[20:59]
nubbins`	well, they could put the website back up with the listings removed	[20:59]
nubbins`	although we all know that nobody would withdraw their funds anyway	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` the gigavps method	[20:59]
nubbins`	mp, before my time	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	"send us a signed thing via mail"	[21:00]
phungus	some goods on SR were legal	[21:00]
nubbins`	some, yes	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	were there ? like what ?	[21:00]
nubbins`	i can't recall	[21:00]
nubbins`	porn passwords	[21:00]
mjr_	eh, i think that more services should allow you to "attach" your own wallet	[21:00]
nubbins`	nothing of value	[21:00]
mjr_	and keep your private keys	[21:00]
mjr_	that way...this never happens	[21:00]
mjr_	also, you don't have to manage user funds, and take that liability	[21:01]
nubbins`	mjr_: so a 3-party tx where the site acts as escrow?	[21:01]
phungus	there were small things available like certain pipes and stuff like that	[21:01]
phungus	and people sold bitcoins or cash for bitcoins	[21:01]
mjr_	no...basically, i have a blockchain wallet already	[21:01]
phungus	and there was that blotter artwork	[21:01]
mjr_	let me use that	[21:01]
ThickAsThieves	attaching your own wallet wont work	[21:01]
phungus	it wasn't actual blotter, just artwork	[21:01]
mjr_	why not?	[21:01]
ThickAsThieves	plus you lose the ability to do offchain tx	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	porn passwords aren;'t legal.	[21:02]
mjr_	depends	[21:02]
nubbins`	blotter artwork is an interesting thing	[21:02]
ThickAsThieves	unless you do it like Weex	[21:02]
mjr_	my point is that to do off chain you have to trust the site operator	[21:02]
mjr_	and in the case of SR you lost your money	[21:02]
mjr_	i think you should have an option to attach your blockchain wallet, people can see how much funds you have	[21:02]
nubbins`	i suppose i should go silkscreen a huge BTC logo on a nice thick cotton rag paper, and then perforate it into tiny squares	[21:02]
nubbins`	sell it for $50 on ebay	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	mjr_ in fairness, i expect the lost btc mostly belonged to the operator, and some to dealers.	[21:02]
mjr_	you can still both send multisig to an administrative site	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	it's unlikely any end user kept 100 btc in there	[21:03]
mjr_	depends	[21:03]
mjr_	i agree	[21:03]
mjr_	in the broad case	[21:03]
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mjr_	but if one person had his 100 bitcoin stolen	[21:03]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: biggest losers were the dealers. thousands of $$ in limbo at any given time	[21:03]
mjr_	is it ok?	[21:03]
mjr_	yeah, and i wonder how the people the dealers owe money to will feel	[21:03]
nubbins`	pretty good	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	mjr_ the cost for the joe schmoes to understand and use multi tx > the probable loss to them as is.	[21:04]
nubbins`	you need to realize that selling on sr was VERY lucrative	[21:04]
mjr_	yes	[21:04]
mjr_	of course	[21:04]
nubbins`	any sensible dealer would be paying for supply up-front	[21:04]
mjr_	i think 2 things about SR	[21:04]
nubbins`	not getting it on loan	[21:04]
mjr_	uh no	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` heh. that's why they took a month to move a kg of coke ?	[21:04]
jcpham	my personal feeling is that you go off-chain your money is a row in a database	[21:04]
mjr_	yeah	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	nobody gave a shit.	[21:04]
jcpham	and we al know how safe site db's are	[21:04]
mjr_	let me get a kilo please, here is all the cash	[21:04]
mjr_	and you assume that consignment is not the main model	[21:04]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: if i had to bet, i'd say it was WAY more weed than coke	[21:04]
mjr_	which it is	[21:04]
nubbins`	mjr_: in the real world, yes	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	of course.	[21:05]
mjr_	those were real world people	[21:05]
mjr_	who may not buy coke in colombia using bitcoins	[21:05]
mjr_	but rther have traditional channels	[21:05]
mjr_	and then resell on SR	[21:05]
jcpham	yes and they are now mostly dead	[21:05]
mjr_	traditional channel = i'll front you a brick	[21:05]
nubbins`	mjr_: i said any sensible dealer	[21:05]
mjr_	my point	[21:05]
nubbins`	getting a brick on loan is not sensible	[21:05]
nubbins`	whether it's common or not	[21:05]
mjr_	LOL	[21:05]
mjr_	it is totally sensible	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	look, srsly, the site was "very lucrative" in the sense of yeah, if you're some college age dork you can make A LOT OF $$$ omg/	[21:06]
nubbins`	no it's not!!	[21:06]
mjr_	for the vast majority of people	[21:06]
nubbins`	because when you get busted	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	it wasn't lucrative in a business sense.	[21:06]
nubbins`	now you owe some guy a brick	[21:06]
nubbins`	and you can't pay him for it	[21:06]
mjr_	yeah, that is built in to what you pay	[21:06]
mjr_	and depends on how much your health is worth to you, and the chance you think you'll default	[21:06]
mjr_	like saying no sensible business risks using credit	[21:06]
*	nubbins` shrugs	[21:06]
mjr_	because it could hurt their credit	[21:07]
nubbins`	fair enough	[21:07]
mjr_	first off; main risk in drugs is moving them	[21:07]
nubbins`	i have an acquaintance who was caught with a large amount of cocaine a couple of years ago	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	let's split your dispute. people sane in the head take a brick on credit all the time,	[21:07]
mjr_	so, most dealers would rather give you 100 grams NOW, once a month	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	provided it's a small fraction of their trade.	[21:07]
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mjr_	then meet you for 5 grams every other day	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	fucked in the head idiots that take a brick on credit which is the whole of their capital...	[21:07]
mjr_	^^	[21:07]
mjr_	^^^^^	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	well... those idiots don't survive and shouldn't have existed in the first place	[21:07]
mjr_	yes	[21:07]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: that's like every coke dealer	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` every coke dealer you know :)	[21:08]
mjr_	ok, i know many people who have been wiped out	[21:08]
mjr_	lost their stash	[21:08]
nubbins`	SHHHHH!	[21:08]
mjr_	got someone to front them	[21:08]
mjr_	built it back up again	[21:08]
mjr_	its more like a trade guild than the "colombian necktie/scarface" scenario	[21:08]
nubbins`	yeah	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	mjr_ this is not germane, in that it was THEIR stash to lose.	[21:08]
mjr_	ys	[21:09]
nubbins`	anyway, having large amounts of outstanding credit is not a great idea	[21:09]
mjr_	but lets say i have been working with you for a year	[21:09]
mjr_	you have made money	[21:09]
mjr_	and SR bust comes	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` especially if you're a deadbeat, which is what it boils down to.	[21:09]
mjr_	do you think i just kill you?	[21:09]
mjr_	no, you are a client	[21:09]
nubbins`	no, you don't kill me	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	mjr_ depends. are you some white ass dorky kid that "has got to do it" ?	[21:09]
mjr_	and people uderstand and work out terms	[21:09]
nubbins`	you threaten to break my bones	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	then you might internet-kill me.	[21:09]
mjr_	LOL	[21:09]
nubbins`	"understanding", "working out terms", are a fiction for street-level trades	[21:09]
mjr_	you guys really have a hollywood perspective on drug dealing	[21:09]
nubbins`	and when i say street-level i mean 10kg and below	[21:10]
mjr_	ok...whatever you say	[21:10]
mjr_	lets say i know people who were "late" by a couple of months and resumed their arrangement after making good	[21:10]
*	nubbins` shrugs	[21:10]
mjr_	MANY times	[21:10]
mjr_	my old roommate was a pretty big coke dealer in NYC	[21:10]
nubbins`	i live a three-minute walk from a house where a guy was tied up and beaten to death with a chair leg by a coke dealer	[21:10]
mjr_	are you in nyc?	[21:11]
nubbins`	i guess people are nicer in NYC	[21:11]
mjr_	they are	[21:11]
mjr_	they are very business focused	[21:11]
nubbins`	must be great	[21:11]
mjr_	killing someone gives you $0	[21:11]
nubbins`	it's all skids here	[21:11]
nospinzy	um most people who sell drugs dont beat people	[21:11]
mjr_	and no future revenue either	[21:11]
nubbins`	killing someone makes everyone who owes you $1 pay up	[21:11]
mjr_	nope	[21:11]
nubbins`	granted, i don't think they intended to kill the guy	[21:11]
mjr_	thats like saying death penalty stops crime	[21:11]
nubbins`	it doesn't	[21:11]
mjr_	i don't do crimes thinking i will get caught and convicted	[21:11]
mjr_	so i don't borrow bricks expecting to default	[21:12]
mjr_	i borrow a brick so i can make $10k easily	[21:12]
nubbins`	that's the thing, nobody expects it	[21:12]
mjr_	what could ever go wrong?	[21:12]
nubbins`	which is why nobody is ready for it	[21:12]
mjr_	yes	[21:12]
mjr_	but the guy lending it to you is ready for it	[21:12]
mjr_	he manages his risk	[21:12]
mjr_	at least in nyc	[21:12]
mjr_	so that if he has to wait	[21:12]
nubbins`	which is why you exit the courthouse after entering your not guilty plea and immediately get a phone call from some guy looking for his $7000	[21:12]
mjr_	he can resume operations	[21:12]
mjr_	and regain revenue stream	[21:12]
nospinzy	umm i want to get in touch with a nignog that will lend me 100k	[21:13]
mjr_	it is relative	[21:13]
mjr_	if i have an operation where i do 10 million	[21:13]
mjr_	i lend 100k all the time	[21:13]
nubbins`	i think the difference between here and nyc is that in nyc it's all rich people doing coke	[21:13]
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mjr_	$50 for .5g	[21:13]
nubbins`	and here it's all pill addicts doing AND selling coke	[21:13]
mjr_	i'd say so	[21:13]
mjr_	its like any business	[21:14]
nospinzy	coke sucks	[21:14]
mjr_	there is nothing special about coke business	[21:14]
nubbins`	never tried coke, never will	[21:14]
mjr_	same as anytingelse	[21:14]
nubbins`	i like things too much	[21:14]
nubbins`	it would be the end of me	[21:14]
mjr_	wholesalers offer credit to increase sales	[21:14]
mjr_	manage risk across multiple accounts	[21:14]
mjr_	write off some bad debg	[21:14]
nospinzy	it wouldnt be the end of you because it fucking sucks	[21:14]
mjr_	credit serves to expand an economy	[21:15]
nospinzy	the miniute you take it you feel like your dick is going to fall off	[21:15]
nospinzy	and you feel like you will have a heart attack	[21:15]
nubbins`	mjr_: so if i get a kg off some guy and say "sorry dude, i got busted", he's gonna swallow the cost?	[21:15]
mjr_	lol i don't know what you are doing	[21:15]
mjr_	no	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform according to wikipedia, russia is not YET a NIC (newly industrialised country)	[21:15]
mjr_	if you have been getting a kg a month for 12 months	[21:15]
mjr_	and you have a problem now	[21:15]
mjr_	he will say "ok, let's work it out and get you back on your feet"	[21:15]
nubbins`	oh, well	[21:15]
nubbins`	it's not like that everywhere	[21:15]
mjr_	remember, he has made money off you for 12 months	[21:16]
mjr_	and would rather continue making money off you	[21:16]
mjr_	than killing you	[21:16]
nospinzy	you should see all the new york niggers that run my town of 30k they run it for about a year and the police come down hard on these idiots	[21:16]
mjr_	killing you means never being repaid, and never getting any more revenue	[21:16]
nubbins`	if you try that here, he will say "ok, i've been breeding pit bulls for 3 years and i bit a guy's ear off in a bar fight last week, pay up"	[21:16]
nospinzy	they dont know how to get out the game	[21:16]
nubbins`	killing is rare	[21:16]
mjr_	i'm not saying people don't intimidate	[21:16]
nubbins`	getting your face rearranged, not so much	[21:16]
mjr_	they have no legal recourse	[21:16]
mjr_	but for the most part	[21:16]
mjr_	at least in nyc	[21:17]
mjr_	its a community thing	[21:17]
mjr_	washington heights	[21:17]
nubbins`	hahahahaha	[21:17]
mjr_	parts of brooklyn	[21:17]
mjr_	everyone knows everyone	[21:17]
mjr_	they are your neighbors	[21:17]
mjr_	its a trade off, offer credit	[21:17]
nubbins`	i'm only laughing because that all sounds so foreign	[21:17]
mjr_	more sales	[21:17]
nospinzy	why you let niggers intimidate you, carry a hand gun on your body and shoot the dogs	[21:17]
mjr_	LOL	[21:17]
nospinzy	no cop cares about some niggers pitbulls	[21:17]
mjr_	they would never think to get their own	[21:17]
mjr_	guns that is	[21:17]
mjr_	and they WILL get emotional about a dog	[21:18]
mjr_	not so much about business, i think	[21:18]
nospinzy	they call themselves gangsters HAHA	[21:18]
nospinzy	dont even have guns	[21:18]
mjr_	anyway, boring convo	[21:18]
nubbins`	anyway what it boils down to, mjr, is that the coke trade is a mature industry in nyc	[21:18]
mjr_	drug business is the same as all business	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	so then shoot the dog, take his girlfriend and burn his stash.	[21:18]
mjr_	yes nubbins`	[21:18]
nospinzy	i went with my friend to buy a 3k car in philly we brought a hand gun	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	tjhey'll call you gengis khan	[21:18]
mjr_	i agree	[21:18]
nubbins`	and here it's a bunch of wannabe players acting like they just walked off the set of a 50 cent movie	[21:18]
mjr_	oh totally	[21:18]
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mjr_	if you go to the inland empire in california	[21:18]
mjr_	it is way scarier than the jungle in LA	[21:19]
mjr_	because people in LA have SOME pride in themselves	[21:19]
nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/murder-trial-dates-set-for-pynn-butler-1.1353717	[21:19]
mjr_	people in the IE have nothing to live for	[21:19]
ozbot	Murder trial dates set for Pynn, Butler - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News	[21:19]
nubbins`	^^ newfie coke lords	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	you live in a dog ?!	[21:19]
mjr_	when you live in shitty places, and have no hope, you really don't care about violence or killing	[21:19]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: two breeds of dog were developed on this island, the newfoundland dog and the labrador retriever	[21:19]
mjr_	but in new york, people are happy, so most people would be like "woah woah, why jump to violence"	[21:20]
nubbins`	one was bred from the other, i forget which	[21:20]
nospinzy	no one cares about black killing eachother, its we like to report it just to show everyone how stupid they act	[21:20]
nospinzy	i personaly would like to see the crime rate 10x worse	[21:20]
mjr_	new york has like triple digit murders per year	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	mjr_ dunno about that happy part man, i've seen what they call rental apts down there.	[21:20]
mjr_	ie. 999 people in a city of over 6 million	[21:20]
mjr_	well, not mad enough to kill yet	[21:20]
nubbins`	thats not bad for a city of millions	[21:20]
mjr_	it is like the safest city ever	[21:21]
nospinzy	its beause they frisk all the nignogs	[21:21]
mjr_	lol	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	lol. this town i'm in has had a murder last 4 years ago. it's ~400k pop. do the math.	[21:21]
nospinzy	its either a police gang or the street gangs	[21:21]
mjr_	they frisk whites and puerto ricans too	[21:21]
mjr_	its about how you act, who you associate with, and how you SPEAK more than anything else	[21:21]
nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/ear-biting-suspect-not-believable-crown-1.961453	[21:21]
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ozbot	Ear-biting suspect not believable: Crown - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News	[21:21]
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nospinzy	well i wouldnt change it, like i said police acting as the gang or nigs running around with guns scarring white people	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	what is this, dating ?!	[21:21]
mjr_	but seriuosly DRESS and SPEECH are about a million times more important than SKIN COLOR	[21:21]
mjr_	and people CAN change their dress and speech	[21:22]
mjr_	my friend is a VP at MetLife	[21:22]
mjr_	he is black	[21:22]
mjr_	guess how many times he has been stopped and frisked	[21:22]
nospinzy	0	[21:22]
mjr_	bingo	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` is thatg phynn dude with the insane clown posse ?	[21:22]
nospinzy	;)	[21:22]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: might as well be	[21:22]
mjr_	its like dave chappelle says	[21:22]
mjr_	but he talks about white people	[21:22]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: notice how his teardrop tattoos are filled in	[21:22]
mjr_	i think its about white culture	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	yaya	[21:23]
nubbins`	apparently this means vengeance was served!	[21:23]
nubbins`	big thug!	[21:23]
mjr_	feeling comfortable walking up to a cop and saying, im a little high, and i just wanna get home	[21:23]
nubbins`	killed his buddy over sixty bucks!	[21:23]
mjr_	says, i am the one you protect, not the one you harrass	[21:23]
nospinzy	all you gotta do is dress in a suit and tie and i bet you could run drugs all day	[21:23]
mjr_	yeah	[21:23]
mjr_	most drug dealers on a personal level do not look like what you would think	[21:23]
nubbins`	agreed	[21:24]
mjr_	i've seen pretty girls, white hipsters on backpacks	[21:24]
mjr_	its rarely thugs	[21:24]
mjr_	they don't get their hand dirty with small transactions	[21:24]
nospinzy	they arnt dealing heroin	[21:24]
nospinzy	they are dealing pills and weed	[21:24]
mjr_	also they know they stick out	[21:24]
mjr_	well, all i can say is panama is great so far	[21:24]
nubbins`	lovely	[21:24]
nubbins`	always wanted to visit	[21:24]
mjr_	viva south america	[21:24]
nubbins`	closest i came was colombia	[21:25]
mjr_	even better ;)	[21:25]
nospinzy	why are you down there	[21:25]
nubbins`	nah, colombia is overrun with aussie tourists	[21:25]
nospinzy	trying to act like a big shot?	[21:25]
nubbins`	and petty crime	[21:25]
nubbins`	not sure which is worse	[21:25]
nospinzy	where are you in panama	[21:26]
mjr_	panama city	[21:26]
mjr_	but colombian girls are hot	[21:26]
nubbins`	agreed	[21:26]
mjr_	my sister is in cartagena (that had nothing to do with the prior statement)	[21:26]
nubbins`	heh	[21:26]
nubbins`	cartagena was nice	[21:26]
nubbins`	very expensive	[21:26]
nospinzy	why when people go on vacation they go to the largest cities	[21:26]
nospinzy	go somewhere remote	[21:26]
nubbins`	yeah	[21:26]
mjr_	san blas	[21:26]
nubbins`	i spent 2 days in cartagena	[21:26]
nospinzy	being around an infestation of people is not a vacation	[21:26]
nubbins`	then moved on	[21:26]
nubbins`	spent a lotta time in taganga, which was much nicer	[21:27]
nubbins`	medellin was not nice	[21:27]
nubbins`	manizales was great	[21:27]
nubbins`	bogota was so-so	[21:27]
nospinzy	you guys just travel by yourself?	[21:27]
nubbins`	myself and a friend	[21:27]
nubbins`	i usually travel alone	[21:27]
nubbins`	that was my first vacation with a travel partner	[21:28]
nubbins`	if you're comfortable being self-reliant, solo travel is 1000x better	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	nah, you always travel with a woman or two.	[21:28]
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kakobrekla	traveling alone is best	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	no way.	[21:29]
kakobrekla	o yeah	[21:29]
kakobrekla	hands down.	[21:29]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: travel with a woman and you preclude yourself from meeting nearly as many other women	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	how do you figure ?	[21:29]
nospinzy	travel with 2 other guys, thats the best way	[21:29]
nubbins`	i figure from experience	[21:29]
nospinzy	traveling with women is fucking anoying as shit	[21:29]
kakobrekla	alone or gtfo	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	you're not picking the right women to travel with.	[21:29]
nubbins`	solo travel, hands down	[21:29]
nubbins`	you can do whatever the fuck you want, you meet way more people	[21:29]
kakobrekla	yeah nubbins`, we can go solo together !	[21:29]
kakobrekla	oh wait.	[21:29]
nubbins`	lel	[21:29]
kleeck	.d	[21:30]
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nospinzy	i feel more comfortable if i have a wingman	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` why can't you do the fuck you want with a woman in tow ?	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	nospinzy try a wingwoman sometime.	[21:30]
nospinzy	no	[21:30]
nubbins`	plus, when you travel solo, you take way more risks that you wouldn't necessarily otherwise	[21:30]
nospinzy	im not a bitch	[21:30]
nubbins`	and risks are fun	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	uh	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	none of this figures.	[21:30]
nospinzy	lol	[21:30]
Azelphur	what is this travel you speak of	[21:30]
*	nubbins` shrugs	[21:30]
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nubbins`	i'd be dead if it weren't for the kindness of strangers	[21:31]
nubbins`	ten times over	[21:31]
nospinzy	im around alot of girls, and it all amounts to the same nonsense	[21:31]
nubbins`	if i had travelled with a friend, i wouldn't have been nearly so reckless	[21:31]
nubbins`	and so would have missed out on all those brushes with death	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	nospinzy you gotta have well trained girls not rifraf.	[21:31]
nubbins`	and what is life without risk?	[21:32]
nubbins`	boring, that's what	[21:32]
nospinzy	i dont know man, id rather travel with another guy and we can have in depth conversations about what we observe	[21:32]
nospinzy	with a women well.....	[21:32]
nospinzy	not much can get talked about	[21:32]
mjr_	traveling with women can be annoying	[21:32]
nubbins`	traveling with anyone can be annoying	[21:32]
mjr_	anyway	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	you can;'t be serious.	[21:32]
mjr_	i don't like beaches and stuff	[21:33]
nospinzy	ye aim totaly serious you fucking faggot	[21:33]
nubbins`	i wanted to cave my best friend's face in after travelling with him for two weeks	[21:33]
mjr_	what am i gonna do with some sand	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	not much can be talked about with women because why	[21:33]
kakobrekla	mjr_ exactly	[21:33]
nubbins`	mjr_: get it in your pussy?	[21:33]
nospinzy	if you think talking to a women is somehow more indepth then a male you have issues	[21:33]
nospinzy	or you might be someones gay best friend	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	i guess my issues are not being a faggot ?	[21:33]
mjr_	it can be nice to travel to places where you know women	[21:33]
kakobrekla	so you got blood and sand now nubbins`?	[21:33]
mjr_	but you can go off on your own	[21:33]
nubbins`	kakobrekla: it's a train wreck down there	[21:33]
kakobrekla	lol	[21:33]
nubbins`	but anyway, i guess many people might not share my views	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	whatg, on the internet ?	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	impossible!	[21:34]
mjr_	i like traveling to big cities	[21:34]
nubbins`	but there's nothing better than travelling to a country where you don't speak the language	[21:34]
kakobrekla	i like traveling to big tities	[21:34]
nubbins`	with your first night booked at a hostel	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	yeah. i do that too.	[21:34]
nubbins`	and all your possessions in a small backpack	[21:34]
mjr_	that is fun	[21:34]
mjr_	i totally agree	[21:34]
mjr_	adventure!	[21:34]
mjr_	huzzah!	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` i don't book anything. i jsut land, go to the local university, find the english dept	[21:34]
nubbins`	it ruins it when people speak english	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	and hire some chick to show me around	[21:34]
nubbins`	colombia was great for this, nobody speaks a fuckin word of english	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	i speak spanish.	[21:35]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: that's actually a really good idea	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` it is. then i have her hire me an apt	[21:35]
nubbins`	i've got rudimentary spanish	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	that way i pay local rates.	[21:35]
nubbins`	mostly transferred from 6 years of mandatory french education	[21:35]
nubbins`	(go canada)	[21:35]
nubbins`	surprising how many similarities	[21:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2126 @ 0.00084907 = 1.8051 BTC [-]	[21:36]
nubbins`	if i didn't know a word, i'd just say the french word with a spanish accent	[21:36]
nubbins`	worked more often than not	[21:36]
nubbins`	french also gives you access to a lot of africa	[21:36]
nubbins`	saved my ass in morocco	[21:36]
nubbins`	(which isn't REAL africa, but i digress)	[21:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C131T] 685 @ 0.32277052 = 221.0978 BTC [-]	[21:39]
jurov	o	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	jeez i leave you people for two minutes...	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[21:40]
gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 140.34004, Best ask: 141.31213, Bid-ask spread: 0.97209, Last trade: 140.44227, 24 hour volume: 6905.00279714, 24 hour low: 138.87001, 24 hour high: 141.69000, 24 hour vwap: 140.61436	[21:40]
jurov	twas so good read...	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 131 / .68	[21:40]
gribble	192.647058824	[21:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4045 @ 0.00084719 = 3.4269 BTC [-]	[21:41]
nospinzy	are there lots of whores in panama	[21:42]
jurov	i dream of such travel sometimes and even tried a bit.. but then it comes to communication and that drives me crazy	[21:42]
jurov	litereally they asked me in a hostel on checkout why i did not talk much so anyone	[21:43]
mircea_popescu	jurov just nod a lot.	[21:43]
nospinzy	thats why u need your google glass with transaltion	[21:43]
jurov	cuz i'm almost deaf and small talk is hardest work, fuck that	[21:43]
mjr_	the key is to speak spanish, but also be able to look like you don't speak spanish	[21:43]
mjr_	like Blade, all the strengths, none of the weaknesses	[21:44]
nubbins`	heh	[21:44]
jurov	i'm not interested to be a clown	[21:44]
nubbins`	my last name is pronounced the same way as the word for marijuana in morocco	[21:44]
nospinzy	0_0	[21:44]
nubbins`	so when i checked in at EVERY hostel	[21:45]
nubbins`	there'd always be jokes about calling the cops	[21:45]
nubbins`	;(	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	this reminds me	[21:45]
nospinzy	do people treat you with respect if you say you are an americna	[21:45]
nospinzy	abroad	[21:45]
nubbins`	followed by darting eyes and a mumbled "hashish?"	[21:45]
nubbins`	nospinzy: no idea, i'm canadian	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	i used to know this dorky kid, his idea of travel was he'd go to some town, and check in every hostel	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	for a day or two	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	see if there was any desperate tail	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	then move on to next hostel	[21:45]
nospinzy	nubbin you can pretend you are american	[21:45]
nubbins`	heh	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	he'd be doing this all day long	[21:46]
nubbins`	nospinzy: why the fuck would i pretend i'm an american?	[21:46]
nubbins`	i'd sooner pretend to have down's	[21:46]
mircea_popescu	didn't you like risks ?	[21:46]
nubbins`	that's not a risk	[21:46]
nubbins`	that's debasing yourself	[21:46]
mircea_popescu	"that's not a risk, it's a fucking liability"	[21:46]
nospinzy	nubbin keep up that attitude and we will drone strike your country	[21:46]
nubbins`	although TBH most of the americans i met while travelling were a-ok	[21:46]
nubbins`	it's the aussies and israelis that are the worst	[21:46]
nubbins`	loud, brash, stupid	[21:46]
nospinzy	whenever i see ausies they are punk faggots kids	[21:47]
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nospinzy	and why the hell do they complain about asians so much	[21:47]
nospinzy	they have no idea	[21:47]
mod6	omg now they want to integrate xrp with urbit lol	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	mod6 that's such a splendid idea :D	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	i hope thety do it on a ven platform	[21:48]
mod6	heheh - here's some convo: http://pastebin.com/	[21:50]
mod6	bah	[21:50]
mod6	http://pastebin.com/G4t53Mz3	[21:50]
ozbot	(11:41) < mod6> i started my new blockchain pull at the same time as trying to u - Pastebin.com	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	lol	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	wait, is memnion actually the chief retard of the entire project ?	[21:52]
ThickAsThieves	does the forum care about swearing?	[21:54]
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mod6	now they're all on about colored coins.. lol. pointed them to the log from yesterday & the trilema article.	[22:02]
mod6	mircea_popescu: im not sure who he is acutually, but he seems to be knowledgeable.	[22:03]
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jurov	http://www.internetgovernance.org/2013/10/11/the-core-internet-institutions-abandon-the-us-government/ srsly?	[22:05]
ozbot	The core Internet institutions abandon the US Government \| IGP Blog	[22:05]
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ThickAsThieves	well it's not fair that only the US should have their fingers in the web	[22:07]
ThickAsThieves	now all the countries wanns wet their tips	[22:08]
ThickAsThieves	wanna	[22:08]
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jurov	i mean, what's exactly the difference?	[22:10]
ThickAsThieves	i honestly dont know	[22:10]
ThickAsThieves	maybe they are just waking up to realize there is none	[22:11]
jurov	i see only political maneuvering... if they proposed to implement namecoin for root dns	[22:12]
jurov	or replace bgp with some decetralized routing	[22:12]
jurov	that would be something	[22:12]
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Duffer1	!seen dexX7	[22:13]
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mircea_popescu	mod6 it's fascinating hopw people default to the wrong decisions	[22:14]
jurov	to be precise, bgp is kinda decentralized but IP addy allocation is not	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	jurov there's some tension, but that's an overstatement really.	[22:15]
mod6	mircea_popescu: yeah. some ideas just sound great and seem like amazing harmless solutions. but yah, stuff doesn't work that way.	[22:15]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[22:15]
mod6	bingo	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	it's not just in computing, either.	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	college kid wants a roadster. the sort of car for him is not a roadster, he's about to get married and have kids.	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	etc etc, endless and everywhere, the wrong thing always appeals.	[22:16]
ThickAsThieves	it's due to shallow thought, most people don't attempt to think more than a layer or two deep on things	[22:16]
ThickAsThieves	it's sorta like looking down the barrel of a gun and pulling the trigger to see why it isnt working	[22:17]
KRS1	like the fat kid who love cake	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	or in the immortal words of the devil himself, "He gives man instincts. He gives you this extraordinary gift, and then what does He do, I swear for His own amusement, his own private, cosmic gag reel, He sets the rules in opposition. It's the goof of all time. Look but don't touch. Touch, but don't taste. Taste, don't swallow. Ahaha. And while you're jumpin' from one foot to the next, what is he doing? He's laughin' Hi	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	s sick, fuckin' ass off!"	[22:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2179 @ 0.00084719 = 1.846 BTC [-]	[22:17]
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ThickAsThieves	devli's advocate?	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	yea	[22:17]
ThickAsThieves	great movie	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[22:18]
ThickAsThieves	i only remember the text because it causes images and sounds in my head from pacino's performance	[22:19]
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mircea_popescu	possibly the highlight of his very highlighted career.	[22:19]
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mod6	yeah, good flick	[22:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.00941999 = 0.3956 BTC [+]	[22:20]
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ThickAsThieves	"How your Profile name and photo may appear (including in reviews and advertising)"	[22:24]
ThickAsThieves	google...	[22:24]
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ThickAsThieves	for people who wanna shut it off, just visit https://plus.google.com/settings/endorsements?hl=en	[22:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 0.0899 = 0.2697 BTC [+]	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[22:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 400 @ 0.0012 = 0.48 BTC [+]	[22:30]
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mircea_popescu	.d	[22:35]
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ThickAsThieves	http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/11/4828352/politifact-launching-punditfact-fact-check-radio-tv-blog-print-personalities	[22:43]
ozbot	PolitiFact launching new site to call out lies of political pundits \| The Verge	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	o hey	[22:43]
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ThickAsThieves	fucking motherfucking fuck	[22:57]
ThickAsThieves	visa cancelled my card because i used it while travelling	[22:57]
ThickAsThieves	a business card	[22:57]
ThickAsThieves	so now i'll have umpteen vendors saying wtf	[22:58]
gecko_x2	look u stupid fucking cunt	[22:58]
gecko_x2	this is the end of a regime	[22:58]
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gecko_x2	this regime will fuck you whatever it takes	[22:58]
ThickAsThieves	you talking to me?	[22:58]
gecko_x2	complaining about your fucking visa card	[22:58]
ThickAsThieves	gtfo	[22:58]
jurov	lol gecko hath spoken	[22:58]
gecko_x2	is the same as complaining to your torturer that keeps u in his basement about the quality of his food	[22:59]
ThickAsThieves	youre a fucking idiot	[22:59]
gecko_x2	when will you stupid mother fucking cunts wake the fuck up?	[22:59]
ThickAsThieves	ignored	[22:59]
gecko_x2	My VISA CARD ISN'T WORJING UUUH HUUH	[22:59]
gecko_x2	I WANt MY MOTHER UUH UUHHUH	[22:59]
jurov	gecko_x2 mind your pills	[23:00]
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gecko_x2	jesus fucking christ	[23:00]
gecko_x2	you just don't get it do you?	[23:00]
gecko_x2	ThickAsThieves	[23:00]
gecko_x2	THE FASCISTS ARE REAL	[23:00]
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gecko_x2	THEY ARE REALLY COMING	[23:00]
gecko_x2	YES THIS IS REAL	[23:00]
gecko_x2	DO YOU GET IT?	[23:00]
gecko_x2	whatever	[23:02]
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gecko_x2	ppl just do not understand	[23:02]
gecko_x2	they say yes i kow the government will fuck me	[23:02]
gecko_x2	but at the same time they do nothing to prevent it	[23:03]
gecko_x2	because they WANT IT	[23:03]
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gecko_x2	YOU WANT TO BE FUCKED IN THE ASS BY YOUR GOVERNMENT'	[23:03]
gecko_x2	THAT IS THE REASON YOU COMPLAIN	[23:03]
gecko_x2	IF YOU WOULD NOT WANT IT	[23:03]
gecko_x2	YOU WOULD NOT BE COMPLAINING ON IRC	[23:04]
gecko_x2	YOU WOULD BE AT WAR	[23:04]
gecko_x2	LOOK AT YOUR FUCKING HISTORY	[23:04]
gecko_x2	YES THIS IS REAL	[23:04]
gecko_x2	YES THEY ARE COMING	[23:04]
gecko_x2	AND YES THEY WILL KILL YOU	[23:04]
gecko_x2	'AND YOUR FAMILY TOO	[23:04]
gecko_x2	IT	[23:04]
gecko_x2	IS	[23:04]
gecko_x2	REAL	[23:04]
jurov	kakobrekla you around? ^^^	[23:05]
jcpham	i bet if you used allcaps i could read it better	[23:05]
kakobrekla	what	[23:05]
jcpham	jurov kakobrekla doesn't kick people for allcaps ragin	[23:06]
jurov	WHY NOT	[23:06]
ThickAsThieves	he's still going?	[23:06]
ThickAsThieves	awesome	[23:06]
jurov	no, stopped or paused	[23:06]
jcpham	I DUNNO JUROV	[23:06]
ThickAsThieves	KICK ALL THE PEEPL!	[23:06]
gecko_x2	jcpham do i know you*?	[23:06]
jcpham	YES GECKO YOU KNOW ME	[23:07]
gecko_x2	do you have anything to explain to me?	[23:07]
jcpham	I WAS INSIDE YOU ONCE	[23:07]
jcpham	YOU SWALLOWED	[23:07]
gecko_x2	here we go	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	when the fuck did this turn into -otc.	[23:07]
Duffer1	<-- still confused :P	[23:07]
gecko_x2	with the sexual assault, just like the zionist have programmed you	[23:07]
gecko_x2	wery not well played sir	[23:07]
gecko_x2	when you feel fear, attack everyone with sexual trigger words	[23:08]
kakobrekla	!b 100	[23:08]
assbot	Last 100 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1413596/plain/)	[23:08]
kakobrekla	ill read later	[23:08]
ThickAsThieves	"That you or that half-wit Mirca have the gall to post about honesty here is quite the joke. You publicly post scam accusations for sport just to harm your competition. Competition I might add, that summarily spanked you in all things that matter right up until the end."	[23:09]
ThickAsThieves	love, burnside	[23:09]
ThickAsThieves	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=125629.msg3228015#msg3228015	[23:10]
ozbot	[BTC-TC] Virtual Community Exchange [WINDING DOWN]	[23:10]
ThickAsThieves	funny how he defined 'the end'	[23:10]
ThickAsThieves	being that mpex is not over	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	ya well... the tuna i had for breakfast also spanked me sumariliy in all things that matter.	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	swimming, making good tuna steak, etc.	[23:13]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2608 @ 0.00085728 = 2.2358 BTC [+]	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=308924.msg3316281#msg3316281	[23:25]
ozbot	Why is Operation Fabulous not working?	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[23:25]
jcpham	still digging up troll gold on the forums i see	[23:26]
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mircea_popescu	that's ditz glitz.	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	i mean,	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	dat's ditz glitz.	[23:27]
MTBmanTT	Hello everyone, new to the scene, here to watch n learn :)	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	hello MTBmanTT.	[23:28]
MTBmanTT	hi	[23:29]
ThickAsThieves	hi	[23:30]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves anyway, in case that was before your time, "[17:05:52] shareholder3_ midterm this will win against MPEX and others as they will get shut down soon too"	[23:30]
mircea_popescu	[17:06:13] shareholder1 I already reported MPEX for child porn	[23:30]
mircea_popescu	etc.	[23:30]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[23:31]
ThickAsThieves	s.cp was a thing?	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	[17:56:20] da2ce796 as in, mpex will stop being our compittion.	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	[17:56:26] shareholder1 mpex will be classified as money launderers and terrorists	[23:31]
kakobrekla	well, he didnt say WHEN	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves the internet kidz have issues in that they imagine the world is congruent with their perception of the world.	[23:31]
ThickAsThieves	reality is what you make it!	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	thus therefore the value of bitcoin comes from there being bitcoin atms and the worst thing that can happen is someone "reporting you for child porn"	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla this is true.	[23:32]
ThickAsThieves	i like how they say "our" too	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	[17:56:26] shareholder2 really? satoshidice and bitvps look pretty legit to me	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	[17:56:30] shareholder2 bitvps even hosts GLBSE	[23:32]
ThickAsThieves	as if they had a stake	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	that thing is the total lolz.	[23:33]
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mircea_popescu	[17:56:39] shareholder3_ agree with da2ce7, its a different, larger market the new GLBSE would operate in	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	aw fduck it, just read the transcript. http://trilema.com/2012/the-stockexchange-shareholders-on-welfare/	[23:33]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	ima be here picking comedy gold all night	[23:33]
ThickAsThieves	is this the one where nefario is on trial for closing?	[23:34]
ThickAsThieves	i read most of it once	[23:34]
MTBmanTT	reading that link should bring me up to speed here?	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	in unrelated news, i taught this girl to cook. she loves the power this gives her, so she tries to cook everything now. so for instance can't find halva ? "maybe i'll try cooking some!"	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	im like ya totally, first we build an oil press in the garage...	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	MTBmanTT you have about siox month's worth of reading to get up to speed.	[23:35]
ThickAsThieves	but there is a lot on trilema worth reading	[23:36]
MTBmanTT	...great	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	that link is only relevant in the context of a previous discussion we were having, re some other blown exchange.	[23:36]
ThickAsThieves	under the mpex and bitcoin tags	[23:36]
ThickAsThieves	some other tags too	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	but you may want to start by reading the chan log	[23:36]
MTBmanTT	kk	[23:36]
MTBmanTT	ty, ill start with that link	[23:36]
ThickAsThieves	youll end up needing to pay for a cookie	[23:36]
MTBmanTT	like browser cookie, or go down the street n buy a snack while im reading a while?	[23:39]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	trilema lets you read like 5 articles a week or some shit. i forget exactly.	[23:40]
MTBmanTT	who is this guy/ site "trilema" Ive come across it once before when reading an article on "solarwind"	[23:41]
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mircea_popescu	;;later tell bingoboingo jborkl_ by the way, someone should make a complete history of labcoin. like a post-mortem. all those juicy quotes in the forum and whatnot... splendid story for the future generations.	[23:41]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[23:41]
MTBmanTT	i appreciate the help btw :)	[23:41]
kakobrekla	lmao	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	MTBmanTT some asshole.	[23:41]
MTBmanTT	ah, no shortage of them!	[23:42]
kakobrekla	lmao#2	[23:42]
kakobrekla	!b 15	[23:43]
kakobrekla	ty	[23:43]
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kakobrekla	keep it going	[23:43]
kakobrekla	i need more stuffs	[23:43]
jcpham	this trilema dude needs his head examined	[23:45]
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jcpham	maybe even elctro-shock therapy	[23:45]
kakobrekla	i heard his own court found him guilty	[23:45]
jcpham	no way!	[23:45]
kakobrekla	so no doubts	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	simple minded psychotic dood.	[23:46]
jcpham	what the hell is a trilema anyways	[23:46]
jcpham	is that when you have three choices	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	it's when you have three choices but just one m.	[23:46]
jcpham	that's terrible luck	[23:46]
kakobrekla	is there such thing as nilema?	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	no, because niggers don;'t have options.	[23:48]
ThickAsThieves	99 problems and a trilema aint one	[23:48]
kakobrekla	i didnt have teh niggers in mind really	[23:49]
jcpham	better than a quadlema	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	here's a trilemma for y'all : either monucleosis or bisexuality.	[23:49]
kakobrekla	that depends	[23:51]
kakobrekla	if bisexuality is permanent	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	speaking of bitcoin finance, anyone here saw cannibal holocaust ?	[23:52]
kakobrekla	some parts	[23:52]
kakobrekla	:)	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	kik	[23:52]
MTBmanTT	long ago	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	it	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	's like nature channel with some bits of spice channel spliced in.	[23:53]
kakobrekla	lol	[23:53]
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