Forum logs for 11 Oct 2012

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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smickles jcpham: I can [00:11]
smickles danieldaniel [00:11]
smickles that's all anyone needs to know [00:11]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P110T] 4 @ 0.09250713 = 0.37 BTC [-] [00:14]
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Diablo-D3 you know what we need? [00:31]
Diablo-D3 virtual militaries [00:31]
Diablo-D3 so we can declare war on other websites and then show up at their workplace with a tank. [00:32]
smickles what would a virtual military be composed of Diablo-D3 ? [00:32]
Diablo-D3 smickles: ^. [00:32]
smickles so a tank for hire, eh? [00:32]
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Ukto any more news since earlier? [00:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35972 @ 0.00031192 = 11.2204 BTC [-] [00:39]
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smickles alright, it seems that the total red tape fees will be 75 usd [00:43]
smickles ;;bc,24hprc [00:43]
gribble 12.01 [00:43]
smickles ;;sell 6.25 BTC at 12 USD each [00:44]
gribble Error: For identification purposes, you must be identified via GPG to use the order book. [00:44]
smickles grr, i often have to reauth [00:44]
smickles ;;sell 6.25 BTC at 12 USD each [00:45]
gribble Order id 10690 created. [00:45]
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jcpham https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=117590.0 [00:50]
jcpham so relative to this channel [00:50]
BTC-Mining ..... [00:59]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16980 @ 0.00031355 = 5.3241 BTC [+] [01:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3620 @ 0.00031365 = 1.1354 BTC [+] [01:05]
dub why does kludge not have scammer tag? [01:10]
rdponticelli Nobody asked? [01:11]
rdponticelli Anyway, he defaulted, but I don't think he's a scammer [01:11]
rdponticelli He's trying to repay, and has been truthful [01:12]
BTC-Mining because I think it was in his terms that in case of default, he'd pay back on mining or something like that. [01:12]
BTC-Mining Except repayment by mining would take years. [01:13]
BTC-Mining But there was no timespan defined for repayment [01:13]
BTC-Mining So as such... well he can take his time repaying [01:13]
BTC-Mining Something like that [01:13]
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dub jcpham: pics of raritys neice tbh [01:23]
rdponticelli Wow, now Bitcoins Direct is closed [01:26]
rdponticelli There would be anything standing? [01:26]
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rdponticelli He talks about law enforcement... [01:28]
rdponticelli Doesn't look good [01:28]
rdponticelli Well, about cooperating with law enforcement, wich implies that law enforcement is involved [01:29]
kakobrekla what is bitcoins direct [01:29]
kakobrekla a tangible [01:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23279 @ 0.00031365 = 7.3015 BTC [+] [01:30]
rdponticelli TangibleCryptography's business [01:30]
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dub one sleep till pirate pays out [01:50]
rdponticelli lol [01:50]
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Azelphur 2 sleeps here [01:54]
Azelphur also inb4 more delaying tactics [01:54]
BTC-Mining It's always 1 sleep... [01:54]
BTC-Mining Forever [01:55]
rdponticelli It will be a long, long night [01:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30628 @ 0.00031301 = 9.5869 BTC [-] [01:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30346 @ 0.00031028 = 9.4158 BTC [-] [01:55]
BTC-Mining Welcome to Groundhog Day [01:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15126 @ 0.0003101 = 4.6906 BTC [-] [01:55]
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BTC-Mining You have to relive the day until you manage to get Pirateat40 to pay. Because payment is always tomorrow until then. [01:56]
rdponticelli Yeah, I'm sure that bitcoin script has been shooted by Harold Raimis [01:56]
rdponticelli Nice thing is that you can kill yourself as many times as you like in the middle [01:57]
rdponticelli Everything just start over again [01:57]
rdponticelli xD [01:57]
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rdponticelli GLBSE's up again [02:06]
rdponticelli My claim's finished [02:07]
rdponticelli Even when I haven't send aml information [02:07]
kakobrekla same here [02:08]
BTC-Mining I sent AML, claim appears finished. [02:09]
BTC-Mining Maybe nefario decided AML was not required... [02:09]
rdponticelli Seem so [02:13]
rdponticelli And it's logical [02:13]
BTC-Mining https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AvwwyRGyc1WgdEN2dzFuSEtVOWdlTmwyR2VJZkxiX1E [02:14]
BTC-Mining Yeah, better get prepared for accounting without GLBSE [02:14]
rdponticelli I already did [02:14]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46900 @ 0.00031365 = 14.7102 BTC [+] [02:20]
kakobrekla ;;bc,stats [02:20]
gribble Current Blocks: 202732 | Current Difficulty: timed out | Next Difficulty At Block: 203615 | Next Difficulty In: 883 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 2 hours, 11 minutes, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3035559.56035946 | Estimated Percent Change: -0.624232133735 [02:21]
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smickles ;;ticker [02:31]
gribble Best bid: 12.0008, Best ask: 12.08, Bid-ask spread: 0.07920, Last trade: 12.0008, 24 hour volume: 27614, 24 hour low: 11.759, 24 hour high: 12.19 [02:31]
smickles ;;bc,24hprc [02:31]
gribble 12.03 [02:31]
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smickles yeah, docs not required now [02:42]
smickles i just did the s2cm account, no docs [02:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1827 @ 0.00031365 = 0.573 BTC [+] [02:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10373 @ 0.00031413 = 3.2585 BTC [+] [02:46]
pigeons of so nefario took his meds [02:47]
Azelphur yay [02:48]
Azelphur apparently my claim is finished [02:48]
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Azelphur [02:49]
Azelphur smickles: did you get S2CM data yet? [02:49]
smickles Azelphur: no data yet [02:49]
Azelphur :p [02:49]
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Azelphur would be funny if everything pays out on friday [02:50]
Azelphur cash day o/ [02:50]
Doffx Since its my birthday on oct 12 I expect everyone in here to send 1 btc, that will be 7 more btc than what pirate owes me with 116 people in here. [02:54]
Doffx Azelphur should send 2 [02:54]
Doffx cash day for sure that way :) [02:54]
Azelphur xD [02:54]
Doffx haha [02:54]
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smickles huh, he left w/o giving a receiving addy [03:00]
Azelphur lol [03:01]
smickles ;D [03:01]
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smickles wait a tic, mutum sigilum is an EVE ONLINE corp? [03:04]
smickles with a description of "FOR THE LULZ" [03:04]
smickles http://evewho.com/corp/Mutum+Sigillum+LLC [03:04]
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smickles you know what this means? [03:08]
smickles bitcoin is a MMORPG, just like mircea_popescu said [03:09]
kakobrekla :) [03:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10427 @ 0.00031413 = 3.2754 BTC [+] [03:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11152 @ 0.00031421 = 3.5041 BTC [+] [03:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10842 @ 0.00031433 = 3.408 BTC [+] [03:11]
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smickles i need a favor. can someone send 6.25 btc to an addy for me, I'll repay you tomorrow [03:37]
kakobrekla addy? [03:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10423 @ 0.00031167 = 3.2485 BTC [-] [03:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7677 @ 0.00031075 = 2.3856 BTC [-] [03:38]
smickles 13bVm9NuHhYASYyXcbYHLqmfQeZ2XSaD7u [03:38]
kakobrekla sent [03:38]
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smickles my client went silly, and I think i need to reload the chain to fix it [03:38]
smickles that'll take a while [03:38]
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smickles Thank you kakobrekla :) [03:38]
kakobrekla yw [03:39]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5223 @ 0.00031075 = 1.623 BTC [-] [04:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00031048 = 3.0427 BTC [-] [04:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25777 @ 0.00031028 = 7.9981 BTC [-] [04:04]
dub pirate pays out tomorrow, smickles pays out tomorrow.... coincidence? [04:05]
kakobrekla kakobrekla gets paid tomorrow! [04:06]
dub occams razor, kekeke [04:06]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21023 @ 0.00031028 = 6.523 BTC [-] [04:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36677 @ 0.0003101 = 11.3735 BTC [-] [04:29]
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thestringpuller ;;eauth thestringpuller [04:32]
gribble Request successful for user thestringpuller, hostmask thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-98-185.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/0FF2943DA179E169 [04:32]
thestringpuller ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:cca7968273a95c153fb1b5cd24c5fb449204644a24fbfcaa0a2f90cc [04:33]
gribble You are now authenticated for user thestringpuller with key 0FF2943DA179E169 [04:33]
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thestringpuller ;;getrating thestringpuller [04:34]
gribble This user has not yet been rated. Currently authenticated from hostmask thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-98-185.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net . [04:34]
mircea_popescu soo what's new [04:43]
thestringpuller how much of your day do you spend on irc mp (that's my nickname for you mircea_popescu) [04:43]
mircea_popescu you're not the only one calling me mp lol. and as long as the computer's on i have irc going. [04:44]
mircea_popescu i don't spend that much on it personally. [04:44]
thestringpuller do you code? [04:45]
mircea_popescu not really./ [04:45]
thestringpuller I used the campus labs to make a test FPGA [04:46]
thestringpuller since everyone is doing it [04:46]
thestringpuller :P [04:46]
mircea_popescu and ? [04:46]
thestringpuller It's tough I just started writing the verilog based on a paper I read [04:46]
rdponticelli mircea_popescu: wrong question [04:46]
rdponticelli It's not what's new, but what's left [04:46]
thestringpuller gonna take months with my professor helping to get a single "chip" [04:46]
mircea_popescu rdponticelli so what is left ? [04:47]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller still, good practice for you i'd say. [04:47]
rdponticelli Nothing [04:47]
thestringpuller Uses a lot less power. [04:47]
thestringpuller what's left is not glbse lol [04:48]
thestringpuller I made a good deal of money on the market crash :P [04:48]
mircea_popescu how exactly ? [04:48]
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thestringpuller The second glbse went under I sold a bunch of bitcoins, then waited and bought them back at a cheaper price... [04:49]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=117715.msg1263447#msg1263447 cyeck this out tho [04:49]
thestringpuller lol poor glbse [04:51]
thestringpuller You've probably been asked this many times before mp, but how does GLBSE being shutdown make you feel? [04:52]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller well, tbh, relieved. it was the main threat to having a btc finacials market. the longer it dragged on the worse it was. [04:53]
mircea_popescu course, sucks for all the people who wouldn't listen / knew better / whatever. [04:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.00031091 = 9.1408 BTC [+] [04:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34425 @ 0.00031207 = 10.743 BTC [+] [04:54]
BTC-Mining Hey... GLBSE was the best trading platform (not for investing, for making trades) [04:56]
BTC-Mining I was getting almost pirate rates without the pirate stocks. [04:56]
BTC-Mining That's just how wild prices were [04:56]
thestringpuller that's cause people don't know how to trade. [04:56]
BTC-Mining quite [04:56]
BTC-Mining Made thousands [04:57]
thestringpuller Probably why Satoshi dice is listed on mpex [04:57]
mircea_popescu BTC-Mining that'd be part of the problem, really. [04:57]
BTC-Mining My wallet didn't find it to be a problem at all. [04:57]
thestringpuller only gigamining had a solid trade trend [04:57]
thestringpuller it wasn't volatile [04:57]
bitcoinbear so, have glbse asse holders heard anything yet? [04:58]
mircea_popescu yeah. if you go to the casino and make a lot of money your wallet might not complain [04:58]
mircea_popescu but that doesn't make casinoing an economic activity. [04:58]
bitcoinbear asset, i mean [04:58]
thestringpuller tell that to the kids from MIT who counted cards [04:58]
mircea_popescu right. from a macro perspective the thing was harmful. [04:58]
mircea_popescu otherwise, im sure plenty of people made money bilking the idiots who thought they're investors. [04:59]
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bitcoinbear him trading helps decrease the spread (somewhat), making the market more stable [04:59]
thestringpuller I lost 20 btc, but I've been mining with free electricity, so it's a drop [04:59]
BTC-Mining It's not casinoing if the asset has a base value through profit sharing. The wild price fluctuations just make it much easier to buy below market value and resell it far above market value. [05:00]
thestringpuller for something that didn't have a lot of market depth, GLBSE had a sizable volume of outstanding shares. [05:00]
BTC-Mining Yes, quite [05:00]
BTC-Mining Most shares sold and weren't trading much afterward [05:01]
thestringpuller BTC-Mining isn't that how market makers make their money, via the bid-ask spread? [05:01]
BTC-Mining I suppose [05:01]
bitcoinbear and on some assets the spread was 50% [05:02]
bitcoinbear or more [05:02]
BTC-Mining when the bid-ask spread is 10% - 80% and the trading fee is 0.5% but only for the one selling/buying into orders... [05:02]
mircea_popescu actually, take mpoe.etf. a DAY before it being unwound (at like 1.2x) [05:02]
mircea_popescu the bid was .3 the ask 1.5 or so. [05:02]
bitcoinbear right [05:02]
mircea_popescu one of the precious few solvent assets there. [05:02]
mircea_popescu so not for a second do i consider that "market" in any way related to any economics. [05:02]
mircea_popescu it was pure randomness. [05:03]
bitcoinbear but you could make money off the randomness [05:03]
mircea_popescu had nothing to do with btc finance, or finance at all. [05:03]
mircea_popescu the continuing pretense that it did however, was very harmful for everyone. [05:03]
mircea_popescu no dispute you can make mone yat the casino [05:03]
bitcoinbear like nefario said, it was meant to be a toy [05:03]
thestringpuller LOL [05:03]
mircea_popescu thinking going to the casino = participating in the economy is damaging. [05:03]
thestringpuller Nefario is a dick. [05:03]
thestringpuller Who is now scared of going to jail. [05:04]
thestringpuller I feel we get the last laugh somehow. [05:04]
thestringpuller Even though the joke is on the issuers... [05:04]
bitcoinbear I wish he would move faster so we could just be done with the whole thing [05:04]
mircea_popescu bitcoinbear bitcoinica first, [05:05]
mircea_popescu then glbse. [05:05]
BTC-Mining mircea, that's exactly the point, it's not casino odds if a mining asset pays for x each week but the randomness makes it go 50% under the market rate per mhash then a few days later 50% over market rate. [05:06]
thestringpuller Don't casinos make a lot of money mircea_popescu? Like Las Vegas for instance, the Bellagio just rakes in money. [05:06]
thestringpuller Wouldn't running a casino contribute to the economy? [05:06]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller actually these days casinos are doing very poorly. [05:06]
thestringpuller o rly? [05:06]
bitcoinbear anybody want to buy 10 BDK.BND shares at the low price of 0.08? [05:06]
mircea_popescu yeah. [05:06]
thestringpuller tough times [05:06]
thestringpuller but isn't satoshi dice doing well? [05:06]
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thestringpuller that's "casinoing" [05:06]
mircea_popescu bad 3 or so years. if it keeps up you'll see bankruptcies [05:06]
BTC-Mining I'd buy them for 0.0001 BTC each... [05:06]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller playing satoshidice isn't investing tho. [05:07]
mircea_popescu buying their shares is entirely a diff game. [05:07]
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thestringpuller I see what you are saying. [05:07]
thestringpuller lol [05:08]
rdponticelli I'll outbid BTC-Mining: 0.00011 [05:08]
thestringpuller I don't know if you've ever seen the Chappelle Show, but there was an episode where this guy came into a lot of money, played a dice game, and won, so he had tons of money. [05:08]
rdponticelli :D [05:08]
BTC-Mining 0.00011001 here! [05:09]
BTC-Mining Damn, feels like good old GLBSE [05:09]
mircea_popescu lmao [05:09]
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thestringpuller Like if you won the lottery, then put it all on double 0 at the casino and won again. But then again I guess it's all "casinoing" [05:10]
rdponticelli We can do it here! Lets go! [05:10]
mircea_popescu yeah [05:10]
thestringpuller How will coinlab compete against the asic rush? [05:12]
bitcoinbear btc-mining, was it you who was always outbidding me by a single satoshi? drove me nuts [05:12]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller why'd they compete ? [05:12]
BTC-Mining I kept outbidding by one satoshi and people kept outbidding me by one satoshi, I was going nuts making people go nuts. [05:13]
mircea_popescu with those 2 second page loads... [05:13]
mircea_popescu maybe you folks just need some better masturbation material. [05:13]
bitcoinbear I refused to bid out more than 4 significant digits [05:13]
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bitcoinbear page loads, 2 sec if you were lucky. it made me feel like I was back in 1993 or something [05:14]
mircea_popescu a well. as long as it was working for ya lol [05:15]
BTC-Mining It was due to GLBSE being quite spread up [05:15]
smickles < dub> pirate pays out tomorrow, smickles pays out tomorrow.... coincidence? <<< lolwut? [05:15]
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smickles also, most of my stuff isn't here yet, i'm using a stepstool with a couple of rags for padding as my seat [05:18]
mircea_popescu haha suffer. [05:19]
smickles and this is where my accounting company will start [05:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2251 @ 0.00031207 = 0.7025 BTC [+] [05:20]
smickles from rags to riches :D [05:20]
mircea_popescu haha gl! [05:21]
rdponticelli Where are you ipoing, smickles? [05:21]
rdponticelli :) [05:21]
smickles heh, not a public company ;) [05:22]
rdponticelli :( [05:22]
rdponticelli That's not fun [05:22]
smickles i sold some btc earlier to pay licensing and registration fees [05:22]
rdponticelli You're supposed to raise a ton of money and run away [05:22]
rdponticelli You're doing it all wrong [05:23]
smickles rdponticelli: if i need to raise funds, you'll be the first one i make an offer to, m'kay? [05:23]
[\] aww [05:23]
[\] I'm hurt [05:23]
rdponticelli Ok, I'm happy now [05:23]
[\] ;;ticker [05:24]
gribble Best bid: 12.00104, Best ask: 12.05, Bid-ask spread: 0.04896, Last trade: 12.05, 24 hour volume: 27195, 24 hour low: 11.8029, 24 hour high: 12.19 [05:24]
[\] we're at 12 [05:24]
[\] woo [05:24]
[\] c'mon $2.00 btc [05:24]
mircea_popescu o hey. [05:24]
smickles [\]: did you miss us at sub-11 earlier? [05:24]
[\] no [05:25]
[\] but if it drops to $2, I'm gonna buy 50k btc [05:25]
* smickles imagines [\] makeing cash advances on a dozen credit cards while they process his title loan [05:27]
[\] That's what the AMEX is for [05:28]
Diablo-D3 smickles: doesnt work anymore [05:29]
Diablo-D3 banks maliciously reverse loans within a week after they credit check you a second time [05:29]
[\] thats why you wait 3 weeks [05:30]
Diablo-D3 they claim "to prevent fraud", but the only fraud going on is their actions since they already signed the papers [05:30]
[\] :-x [05:30]
Diablo-D3 Ive heard of banks doing it after 3 MONTHS [05:30]
mircea_popescu smickles it was 10.7 or so [05:31]
mircea_popescu Diablo-D3 prolly a pretty penny to be made from sueing then [05:31]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: sometimes [05:32]
Diablo-D3 sometimes you have judges going along with it [05:32]
Diablo-D3 not sure if they're just inept or they're in the bank's pocket [05:32]
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mircea_popescu Chaos - Battle of the Wizards [05:39]
mircea_popescu anyone ever played that ? [05:39]
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smickles mircea_popescu: is that the one that is similar to wherewolf? [05:44]
Diablo-D3 YES [05:44]
smickles er, spelling bad [05:44]
Diablo-D3 I FOUND A GIF [05:44]
Diablo-D3 THAT DESCRIBES [05:44]
Diablo-D3 THE NEFARIO DRAMAS [05:44]
Diablo-D3 us, and I'm clearly kirk: http://i.imgur.com/oafQx.gif [05:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1249 @ 0.00031242 = 0.3902 BTC [+] [05:46]
mircea_popescu smickles http://www.mykeblack.com/flash/chaos/chaos_content.html [05:46]
Diablo-D3 http://imgur.com/gallery/JJaLA [05:46]
Diablo-D3 oh god I want one [05:46]
Diablo-D3 just so I can make it talk [05:46]
Diablo-D3 oh fuck comments already go straight to south park [05:47]
Diablo-D3 http://imgur.com/gallery/M7nOu [05:50]
Diablo-D3 HUH [05:50]
smickles oh my connection is so slow [05:53]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21473 @ 0.00031079 = 6.6736 BTC [-] [06:11]
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dub Diablo-D3: remake a movie with it [06:19]
Diablo-D3 oh fuck [06:19]
Diablo-D3 NO! [06:19]
Diablo-D3 I MUST BE TAKING OVER WORLD! [06:19]
dub gak, I want to shoot thos imgur commenters more that I want to shoot everyone on btctalk [06:22]
Diablo-D3 http://mozillamemes.tumblr.com [06:22]
dub http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mabnf0OQNA1rrf1eeo1_500.jpg gigavps? [06:23]
Diablo-D3 sometimes I wonder [06:23]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25227 @ 0.00031079 = 7.8403 BTC [-] [06:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10373 @ 0.0003101 = 3.2167 BTC [-] [06:36]
Ukto so did nefario open things up ? [06:44]
smickles not toomany hours ago [06:45]
Ukto still didnt enable password recovery though :/ [06:46]
dub dont forget your password [06:46]
Ukto i havent logged in since my account was emptied from the "hack" in may [06:46]
dub dont get hacked [06:49]
Ukto i somehow dont think I was :P [06:49]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23235 @ 0.0003101 = 7.2052 BTC [-] [07:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7832 @ 0.0003101 = 2.4287 BTC [-] [07:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00031008 = 0.4031 BTC [-] [07:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29233 @ 0.00031 = 9.0622 BTC [-] [07:02]
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Diablo-D3 so how do you get your "assets" [07:07]
smickles omg, i'm rocking a 128k connection [07:07]
smickles (bits) [07:07]
smickles lol, for the fun of it, i fired up cgminer and pointed it at my client, [07:09]
Ukto smickles: a hotel I stayed in Japan last april, was still on an ISDN modem [07:09]
Ukto that was about 12yrs old [07:09]
smickles it said "Accepted c5b1c47c.155918dc" and for a moment, my heart raced as i thought i hit a block [07:10]
smickles Ukto: oh my [07:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67796 @ 0.00031017 = 21.0283 BTC [+] [07:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8804 @ 0.0003109 = 2.7372 BTC [+] [07:27]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 500 @ 0.00320653 = 1.6033 BTC [+] [07:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 35 @ 0.00316891 = 0.1109 BTC [-] [07:53]
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da2ce7 New Version of Moneychanger and ot prompt for windows: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77301.80 Please help test and report any issues. [08:11]
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mircea_popescu ok, so here's some data : [08:16]
mircea_popescu From 4/2/2012 to 10/4/2012: [08:17]
mircea_popescu 187 contract listings [08:17]
mircea_popescu 66519 total trades [08:17]
mircea_popescu 6006474 total contract volume [08:17]
mircea_popescu 35911.75164BTC total volume [08:17]
mircea_popescu sauce : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=117491.msg1260596#msg1260596 [08:17]
mircea_popescu so glbse traded 36k btc in 6 months. [08:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33400 @ 0.0003109 = 10.3841 BTC [+] [08:18]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00031046 = 2.2974 BTC [-] [08:43]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1350 @ 0.0003109 = 0.4197 BTC [+] [09:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 135 @ 0.0032 = 0.432 BTC [-] [09:09]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24397 @ 0.0003109 = 7.585 BTC [+] [09:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26203 @ 0.00031282 = 8.1968 BTC [+] [09:34]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P140T] 2 @ 0.23231876 = 0.4646 BTC [-] [09:47]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P140T] 1 @ 0.23049622 BTC [-] [09:47]
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assbot [MPEX] [B.MPCD.C] 150 @ 0.00076466 = 0.1147 BTC [-] [09:51]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120N] 2 @ 0.23654313 = 0.4731 BTC [+] [10:06]
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BTC-Mining [01:17] 35911.75164BTC total volume [10:31]
BTC-Mining Sounds awfully wrong since GIGAMINING alone sold 40k bonds at 1 BTC or more and had like twice that volume. [10:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25100 @ 0.00031046 = 7.7925 BTC [-] [10:33]
BTC-Mining 2823.6BTC total revenue from trading fees [10:33]
BTC-Mining x 200 is over 500k trading volume [10:34]
BTC-Mining I remember calculating it as higher than that however. [10:34]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5976 @ 0.00031149 = 1.8615 BTC [+] [10:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00031046 = 3.353 BTC [-] [10:59]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43867 @ 0.00031 = 13.5988 BTC [-] [11:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4733 @ 0.00030994 = 1.4669 BTC [-] [11:25]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00031034 = 0.8069 BTC [+] [11:50]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37300 @ 0.00031032 = 11.5749 BTC [-] [12:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32200 @ 0.00030994 = 9.9801 BTC [-] [12:15]
jurov morning [12:25]
jurov coinbr was updated, check it.. just few kinks to iron and we can do official announcement [12:26]
jurov but referrals are already working [12:26]
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FabianB jurov: cool :), will check later after work [12:29]
jurov see you later [12:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2567 @ 0.00030994 = 0.7956 BTC [-] [12:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11633 @ 0.00030992 = 3.6053 BTC [-] [12:41]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.00031034 = 3.2896 BTC [+] [13:06]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40156 @ 0.00031034 = 12.462 BTC [+] [13:31]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44467 @ 0.00030992 = 13.7812 BTC [-] [13:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22054 @ 0.00030983 = 6.833 BTC [-] [13:57]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1268 @ 0.00031034 = 0.3935 BTC [+] [14:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35300 @ 0.00031036 = 10.9557 BTC [+] [14:22]
Chaang-Noi ltc had some epic volume today [14:25]
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Chaang-Noi this chan is dead... [14:34]
FabianB just less scammer talk [14:35]
kakobrekla hehe [14:36]
kakobrekla less chick fights [14:37]
Chaang-Noi lol [14:37]
Chaang-Noi where is usagi? [14:37]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00031079 = 2.8282 BTC [+] [14:48]
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Chaang-Noi is glbse still collecting aml docs? [14:52]
kakobrekla no [14:54]
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copumpkin Chaang-Noi: it proved to be too technically challenging [15:07]
Chaang-Noi are you kidding? [15:07]
copumpkin I dunno, all I know is that for a while he had a form up and then he took it down [15:08]
Chaang-Noi yeah [15:08]
Chaang-Noi i guess it was not a legal demand after all [15:08]
copumpkin he's so sketchy :P [15:08]
Chaang-Noi i wonder what is going on in his head right now... [15:08]
Chaang-Noi yeah... [15:08]
Chaang-Noi what a mess [15:09]
Chaang-Noi also i wonder what the SEC will do now that glbse closed down [15:09]
Chaang-Noi i wonder if they will still go after them or just walk away [15:09]
copumpkin "yeah, sure, you were hacking up kidnapped hookers for years before, but you appear to have stopped, so I guess you're good. Sorry for the unpleasant chase!" [15:10]
copumpkin :P [15:10]
copumpkin - no legal prosecutor ever [15:10]
copumpkin but who knows :) [15:10]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39500 @ 0.0003121 = 12.328 BTC [+] [15:13]
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Chaang-Noi well [15:22]
Chaang-Noi sometimes they act to stop an activity [15:22]
Chaang-Noi this is not always the case [15:22]
Chaang-Noi but glbse said they were wrong to be doing what they were doing, it just does not add that headline pop [15:22]
Chaang-Noi fed shut down already closed exchange... [15:23]
Chaang-Noi seems like a waste of tax payer money [15:23]
Chaang-Noi now if glbse was a terrorist operation sure... [15:23]
Chaang-Noi but trading btc and all that shit? its not going to be an easy case i bet [15:23]
copumpkin well, the crime was already committed, and they can claim that many people were defrauded as a result of the unregulated exchange operating for so long [15:23]
Chaang-Noi yes they can [15:24]
copumpkin due to all the fraudulent unregulated securities issued on it [15:24]
Chaang-Noi but my question is will tehy [15:24]
Chaang-Noi really this is a small thing [15:24]
Chaang-Noi and really the SEc going after this will make the right wing nuts in the usa take a hard look at btc and might even help it [15:25]
Chaang-Noi if the SEC is scared of BTC im bullish in BTC :) [15:25]
copumpkin :P [15:27]
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copumpkin "I'm against all forms of regulation and government control, except, OH SHIT, PEOPLE ARE BUYING IMMORAL THINGS WITH BITCOIN. WE MUST BANISH IT FROM THE EARTH AS GOD EXPECTS" [15:28]
copumpkin or, from the other side, "regulation is good, and we need to protect dumbasses from themselves. We must regulate bitcoin" [15:29]
copumpkin yay politics :) [15:29]
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copumpkin that's not to say I think one side is as good as the other, mind you [15:31]
Chaang-Noi :) [15:32]
Chaang-Noi yeah [15:32]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 885 @ 0.0032 = 2.832 BTC [-] [15:41]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P130T] 719 @ 0.20596839 = 148.0913 BTC [+] [15:55]
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iz copumpkin: do you think ppl should be able to run ponzi schemes and scam dumbasses out of hundreds of thousands of bitcoins? [16:16]
copumpkin what makes you think that? [16:17]
iz or do you think there should be regulation that protects dumbasses from themselves? [16:17]
MrTiggr BitcoinNannyState [16:17]
MrTiggr nothx [16:17]
iz running to the cops or the SEC to sue or get someone in trouble for scamming you out of BTC is using that regulation [16:18]
MrTiggr iz: do you think ppl should be able to run ponzi schemes and scam dumbasses out of hundreds of thousands of regular CASH? .. bitcoin is the equivalent of cash ... if you blilndly give it to the rong person ... its gone dude and its yer own fault [16:19]
MrTiggr people should treat bitcoin with the same scrutiny that they do for cash transactions [16:20]
iz no, people shouldn't be able to do that with cash, and that's why the SEC and regulatory agencies exist [16:20]
iz it's not the cash vs bitcoin [16:20]
iz it's regulated exchanges and investment companies, like with cash [16:20]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26656 @ 0.00031079 = 8.2844 BTC [-] [16:20]
MrTiggr and by "Cash" i mean coins and notes [16:20]
MrTiggr SEC cant track that [16:21]
copumpkin MrTiggr: are you saying that "real-world" cases of fraud should not be prosecuted? [16:21]
MrTiggr no [16:21]
iz vs unregulated exchanget and investment companies, like with bitcoin, where most of them are scams [16:21]
copumpkin because the defrauded party was dumb enough to hand over his money? [16:21]
MrTiggr i am SPECIFICALLY comparing bitcoin to CASH [16:21]
MrTiggr coins/notes [16:21]
copumpkin that's irrelevant though [16:21]
copumpkin this is whether someone was defrauded or not [16:21]
MrTiggr no chargeback and not really very tracable [16:21]
copumpkin do you blame the victim of fraud on the victim? [16:21]
MrTiggr well [16:21]
MrTiggr not irrelevant [16:21]
copumpkin those are technical aspects [16:21]
copumpkin implementation details, you might say [16:21]
MrTiggr the next point i will make is [16:21]
MrTiggr we should provide bitcoiners with the tools to ensure that their "cash-like" transactions can be conducted with the best possible confidence [16:22]
iz it's not about transactions with scams though [16:22]
MrTiggr if my mate buys a TV from a stranger with cash and gets ripped [16:22]
MrTiggr im not gonna cry for him [16:22]
iz they are making the transactions intentionally [16:22]
MrTiggr the point i am making is that there is a level of responsibility that normal transactions are held to, which bitcoiners seem to think doesnt apply [16:23]
iz what if your grandma spends all of her retirement money buying a new spaceage TV that cooks dinner for her [16:23]
MrTiggr its sad [16:23]
MrTiggr but it happens [16:23]
MrTiggr in fact, happened to my grandpa [16:23]
MrTiggr i FEEL for him [16:23]
MrTiggr but he was stoopid enuf to do it [16:23]
iz should it be legal for a company to carry on business defrauding grandmas? [16:23]
MrTiggr not check who he qwas dealing with etc [16:23]
MrTiggr he shud learn his lesson [16:24]
iz who do you check with? [16:24]
copumpkin MrTiggr: what if a con artist lies his way into your building and takes money from your vault? [16:24]
iz if there is no regulatory agency [16:24]
iz how can you tell what is a real investment company.. and what is a scammy investment company? [16:24]
copumpkin is this purely about not using violence to obtain someone else's property? [16:24]
iz you just have to take their word for it [16:24]
copumpkin it seems you could make arguments about someone not being strong enough to resist robbers [16:24]
iz or the word on the street [16:24]
copumpkin and deserving it [16:24]
copumpkin in fact, I have seen gun advocates say that [16:25]
MrTiggr not as far as i am concerned - i equate bitcoin to cash ... im not giving my dollar bills to anyone i dont trust ... neither should a bitcoiner [16:25]
copumpkin this has nothing to do with cash [16:25]
copumpkin cash boils down to whether you can prove that you gave the money to the person [16:25]
iz MrTiggr: investments don't care how you give them the money [16:25]
copumpkin that's got little to do with the actual crime [16:25]
iz neither do scammers [16:25]
MrTiggr in the same breath - i personally do everything i can to help bitcoiners make the best decision about their trades [16:25]
MrTiggr (i AM bitcoin-police after all) [16:25]
copumpkin whether bitcoin is equivalent to cash is completely irrelevant to the legality/morality of the issue [16:25]
iz MrTiggr: how do you know what is good and what is a scam? [16:26]
copumpkin it just determines how easy it is to prove that you gave it to them [16:26]
MrTiggr investments (like glbse .. which is what i imagine you are referring) are not the same thing [16:26]
MrTiggr iz ...i agree - its hard [16:26]
MrTiggr but its hard with "real cash" too [16:26]
iz yeah, that's like.. we're discussing if children should be able to drink alcohol or not, and you are like "well.. i think it all depends on if it's vodka or whiskey" [16:26]
MrTiggr lets not confuse casual -otc bitcoin trading with .. ponzi or other investment [16:27]
iz it doesn't matter if it's bitcoin or cash or pokemon cards [16:27]
iz an investment scam vs a real investment opportunity are hard to tell the difference between, without there being some sort of regulatory agency [16:28]
MrTiggr so... you are defending the people who blindly "invested" bitcoin in .. lets say for arguments sake .. a glbse stok .. with out checking who was managing the funds [16:28]
MrTiggr is that bitcoin's fault [16:28]
MrTiggr no [16:28]
iz it's not bitcoin's fault [16:28]
copumpkin nobody's claiming it is bitcoin's fault [16:28]
copumpkin that was never even a question [16:28]
iz but it happened because there is no regulatory agency [16:28]
MrTiggr it happened due to lack of consumer diligence imho [16:28]
iz and the reason that doesn't happen so much in the real USD markets [16:28]
iz is because of regulation [16:29]
MrTiggr "who is nefario" << first Qn id have asked myself if investing in any glbse stock [16:29]
copumpkin MrTiggr: just like I got robbed because I hadn't learned martial arts, or wasn't carrying a gun? it happened because an asshole defrauded you. [16:29]
iz do you think it should be okay for people to dress up like police officers and go around to people's houses [16:30]
iz and the people who don't call the main police office to check on the badge numbers to make sure they are real cops [16:30]
copumpkin "you should have called up the police office to make sure they had sent someone, before letting him in" [16:30]
copumpkin :) [16:30]
MrTiggr regulation i don thtink is the answer... i agree there is aproblem, but im kinda sick of bitcoiners blaming their own lack of due diligence on the "missing regulatory component" for which bitcoin was originally founded [16:30]
iz deserve the robbing they are going to get [16:30]
iz you are mistaken [16:30]
copumpkin I don't think bitcoin was originally founded "for" that [16:30]
copumpkin bitcoin is a protocol [16:30]
iz bitcoin wasn't founded for that [16:30]
MrTiggr De-Centralized currency is one of the core tennant of bitcoin [16:31]
copumpkin the protocol doesn't require regulation, but the people using it might [16:31]
MrTiggr regulation centralizes [16:31]
iz the problem are the bitcoin exchanges not being regulated [16:31]
copumpkin no it doesn't [16:31]
copumpkin this is silly [16:31]
iz not that bitcoin itself isn't regulated [16:31]
copumpkin :) [16:31]
MrTiggr the problem are the bitcoin exchanges not being regulated << how so ?? all the major exchanges are subject to AML etc [16:31]
iz how could you regulate cash against scams involving cash (besides counterfeiting)? [16:31]
MrTiggr seems regulated to me [16:31]
iz lol [16:31]
iz bitfloor [16:31]
iz tradehill [16:32]
iz they are just some random dude [16:32]
iz putting a website up on a VPS somewhere that he bought w/ bitcoins [16:32]
MrTiggr ?? and they would have been raepd for not being AML compliant [16:32]
iz for trading real money [16:33]
iz only because they trade real money, and use the regulation that real money provides [16:33]
iz for bitcoin investment companies that DON'T deal in cash and only in bitcoins [16:33]
iz they don't have any regulations they need to follow at all [16:33]
MrTiggr true [16:34]
MrTiggr all the more reason for due diligence [16:34]
iz you're saying "no regulation to bitcoin" while touting that bitcoin exchanges are AML compliant.. [16:34]
MrTiggr either you centralize and regulate or you dont [16:34]
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iz and the only reasons bitcoin exchanges are AML compliant is BECAUSE of the regulation of USD [16:34]
MrTiggr exchanges are not bitcoin ... they are a way out/in to bitcoin [16:34]
iz you don't need to centralize the mint to have regulation of exchanges [16:34]
MrTiggr if you are talking about regulation of exchanges, i have no problem with that [16:35]
iz all you need is a 3rd party regulatory agency that has a vested intrest in maintaining everyone's trust and not letting ppl break rules just because they got paid off [16:35]
iz also regulating bitcoin investment companies [16:35]
MrTiggr ooh thats "all you need" .. so who we gonna trust on that [16:36]
MrTiggr sarcasm included - thats a real question [16:36]
iz like.. make sure they keep the offline wallet key used to store everyone's bitcoins secret and don't check it into git [16:36]
MrTiggr totally for that - thats not really regulation ... not in the true sense though ... its some form of compliance to a satandard [16:37]
iz MrTiggr: ever use SSL? the CAs are exactly like that [16:37]
iz just companies that have a vested intrest in being secure authorities [16:37]
MrTiggr ok so we setup Bitcoin-Verisign then ? [16:37]
iz well, something like that [16:37]
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iz someone should [16:37]
MrTiggr not an entirely bad idea [16:37]
iz but i don't know if it would be profitable [16:37]
mircea_popescu iz that'd be mpex. [16:37]
MrTiggr i wudnt classify that as typical regulation though [16:37]
iz oh, nice [16:38]
iz yeah, i figured someone would try to do something like that [16:38]
MrTiggr and ++ mircea_popescu [16:38]
mircea_popescu course, people bitch and moan. but slowly & surely. [16:38]
iz okay breakfast time for me.. peace all [16:39]
MrTiggr peace bro! ... don't hate my devil's-advocate hat oo much ... im kinda cranky today :P [16:40]
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Ukto *yawn* morning [16:49]
Ukto did nefario actually "give out" assets/btc yet? [16:49]
mircea_popescu not afaik [16:54]
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mircea_popescu There's no drama like Bitcoin drama. The "will pirate make contact" storyline returns tomorrow and the new season of "will BFL deliver" starts in a couple of weeks. It's like reality TV without the ads. Which well-known Bitcoin business will suddenly fail next? Who should be voted off the libertarian island? [22:48]
mircea_popescu ahah so true. [22:48]
jcpham boner [22:49]
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mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=114820.msg1264442#msg1264442 also seems usagi ragequit ? [22:52]
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mircea_popescu so is bitfloor fucked v2.0 ? [22:58]
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FabianB again? [23:00]
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mircea_popescu well seems they lost chase acct [23:01]
mircea_popescu so this'd be banking not tech. [23:01]
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sgornick mircea_popescu: Lost chase and wells fargo (well, no deposits, no ach withdraw .. .. through end of Oct, though if he doesn't know why they froze it how does he know end of Oct. it will be re-opened, with access to funds?) [23:10]
mircea_popescu o wow both ? [23:11]
mircea_popescu well that's ok, he makes a third coming, this time with a frozen BTC and a frozen USD balance. [23:11]
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sgornick "WellsFargo cash deposits are currently suspended. We apologize for any inconvenience and are looking for a resolution." [23:12]
sgornick https://twitter.com/bitfloor/status/256122628471930881 [23:12]
sgornick "business reasons" with no explanation. [23:12]
mircea_popescu you know... it's almost as if the banks are by now workingtogether to fuck over btc exchanges [23:12]
sgornick https://twitter.com/bitfloor/status/256125151823941634 [23:12]
mircea_popescu possibly the worst business to be in. [23:12]
sgornick Yup, and they have an excuse that sounds legit. "Just because, um ... we can't tell you why." [23:13]
mircea_popescu well frankly, they're entirely within their right to tell you to take a hike. [23:13]
mircea_popescu it's a bank after all, it's not obliged to handle your money. [23:13]
sgornick Until I can legally open a bank then that is bullshit. [23:14]
mircea_popescu you can. [23:14]
mircea_popescu you just need a lot of money. [23:14]
sgornick Bullshit [23:14]
mircea_popescu what ? [23:14]
dub all is not well in magical bunny land [23:15]
mircea_popescu i'm serious tho, come to romania and open a bank. you need something like 50ish mn in capital iirc. [23:15]
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pigeons i'd rather open a mcdonalds [23:15]
rdponticelli How long would take mpex to open his own bank? [23:16]
rdponticelli :) [23:16]
rdponticelli pigeons: for that you need garbage amounting in the millions [23:17]
sgornick Right, wasn't calling bullshit on that you need money to open a bank. Was trying to say how that moeny requirement is bullshit. [23:17]
mircea_popescu rdponticelli i don't want a bank tho. [23:17]
mircea_popescu sgornick why would it be bullshit tho ? i mean... allow nefario to open an irl bank ? [23:17]
mircea_popescu money as a barrier to entry is great, because in spite of all its failings, modern society works pretty well at keeping idiots and money apart. [23:18]
pigeons people wouldn't use nefario if there were legal alternatives competent people would run them [23:18]
rdponticelli mircea_popescu: damn, I won't buy anymore S.MPOE, then [23:18]
mircea_popescu pigeons right. like... you know... btc stock exchanges. [23:18]
rdponticelli I thought we was building a bank [23:18]
rdponticelli xD [23:18]
mircea_popescu you're flat out wrong. the incompetent flock together. [23:18]
mircea_popescu rdponticelli banks suck, the margins are about as narrow as in electricity production. [23:19]
pigeons or at least they hire likeminded people to post for them on forums [23:19]
mircea_popescu no, in general they do it themselves. [23:19]
mircea_popescu and the honesty of their incompetence resonates with the inner vibration of incompetence in a large mass of others. [23:20]
pigeons that's deep [23:20]
mircea_popescu and it has vibrations! [23:20]
mircea_popescu but incidentally, why are there mcdonald's places, pigeons ? after all, there's legal alternatives run by competent people. like, you know, actual restaurants. [23:21]
mircea_popescu chez asshole. [23:21]
mircea_popescu i mean alphonse. chez alphonse. [23:22]
pigeons what are the legal alternatives to banks? [23:23]
pigeons there aren't. join the cartel or else use nefario [23:23]
mircea_popescu "the cartel" ? [23:24]
pigeons .wik cartel [23:24]
markac "A cartel is a formal agreement among competing firms." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartel [23:24]
mircea_popescu there's no banking cartel wtf. [23:24]
jcpham but there can be a bitcoin cartel [23:25]
sgornick mircea_popescu: When fractional reserve is 10:1 that's when the system fails without a large amount of capital (and generally fails even with a large amount of capital) [23:25]
sgornick But here's an approach where I need only $1 to do this. [23:26]
sgornick http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=209282 [23:26]
mircea_popescu sgornick well that's two arguments you're proposing, and they're unrelated. anyway, there's no practical way to limit credit. [23:27]
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mircea_popescu if i promise my gf to take her to the film, it's none of your business. [23:27]
mircea_popescu credit arises naturally. [23:27]
BTC-Mining arf, give me my bitcoins, GLBSE! [23:27]
mircea_popescu BTC-Mining shoe on head ? [23:27]
BTC-Mining no shoe on head... [23:27]
mircea_popescu aww [23:28]
BTC-Mining It seems the AML docs requirement was removed [23:28]
mircea_popescu i saw. isn't this great, policy by shoestring ? [23:28]
mircea_popescu and when i say glbse is damaging, this is EXACTLY what i mean. will in the future people go "o, i won't follow stated policy cause what if these people reverse it like glbse used to do" ? yes, they will. [23:28]
mircea_popescu the false notion that glbse was a btc-financials related website is fucking us over ;/ [23:29]
FabianB jurov: in the orderform of coinbr it would be nice if the item selectbox would have a consistent ordering [23:31]
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BTC-Mining [16:29] the false notion that glbse was a btc-financials related website is fucking us over [23:47]
mircea_popescu yes, this is dog. [23:48]
BTC-Mining Well it could have been, but Nefario screwed it up. He should have accepted brokering unregistered securities might not be legal and stayed in China. Lower costs of living to top it. [23:48]
BTC-Mining Instead of backing up for unknown reasons (theft, fears, whatever) [23:49]
mircea_popescu it surely could have been. [23:50]
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mircea_popescu back when he was still in China I honestly thought that's where he's going and mostly why I laid off him [23:50]
mircea_popescu (that and a bunch of people vouching) [23:50]
BTC-Mining You need some dedication when offering bitcoin services. [23:52]
BTC-Mining In any case, I'm off. Don't know why I've been paying 26$/month for TV I'm not using when I watch my shows online. [23:53]
mircea_popescu "some". [23:53]
mircea_popescu i'd say it's easier to have children. [23:53]
mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On0r-7XGf0U << is this chick high ? [23:53]
BTC-Mining Got to return a terminal eh [23:53]
dub its atlas [23:57]
mircea_popescu who is ? [23:58]
dub that stoned girl [23:58]
dub pic related http://media.reason.com/mc/mriggs/2012_10/40Years0fDrugWarFailure.jpg [23:59]
mircea_popescu heh yea. [23:59]
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