Forum logs for 11 May 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

williamdunne	Feels a bit awkward. I like the idea but it feels like crap	[00:00]
livegnik	I like the analogy of an electronic Rolodex. It's dissimilar to the extent that it wasn't shared as easily among all trusted parties.	[00:00]
livegnik	The system doesn't only consist of the identities within the digital Rolodex, but also of all the claims that have been made about them,	[00:00]
livegnik	by any other (1st to infinite degree) party at any time. This information should at least make it much easier for any party to decide for themselves what is best for them.	[00:00]
livegnik	williamdunne: that's why I said not to stare at identi.fi too much, it's basically meant for demo-purposes, to explain the back-end.	[00:01]
livegnik	mircea_popescu: Not sure what you're trying to point there for sure, but one of the reasons I've joined this channel is because there are probably a few people who have thought extensively about this topic.	[00:02]
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mircea_popescu	"I agree. I'm no academic nor coder" << basically, you're trying to sell something. the problem is that the thing you're trying to sell has problems. send the engineers that made it instead.	[00:03]
livegnik	As long as it doesn't go in-depth concerning the technicals, a good salesman should at least be able to discuss the concept, right?	[00:04]
decimation	mircea_popescu: yeah, apparently 'our' knowledge of uranium reserves are quite limited. people haven't been trying to mine uranium for thousands of years (like gold)	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	depends with whom.	[00:05]
livegnik	If something goes in-depth too far for me, I'll definitely let you know to get in touch with sirius about it.	[00:05]
livegnik	You can join #identifi to get in touch with sirius directly.	[00:06]
livegnik	So, as a salesman, I might sell it as supernode Rollodex, relaying information among trusted parties.	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	!gettrust sirius	[00:08]
assbot	sirius is not registered in WoT.	[00:08]
*	mircea_popescu shrugs.	[00:08]
livegnik	I prefer evangelist though. I'm way too stoked about our product to be a regular salesguy.	[00:08]
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decimation	mircea_popescu: incidentally, uranium fission is the only non-mass-polluting technology that can deliver first world level energy to the entire population for a thousand years	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	it is pretty polluting.	[00:10]
decimation	every nuclear bomb made represents a massive waste of potential energy production	[00:10]
decimation	how? heavy metals in a water bath?	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	not really, unless it's actually fired, the stuff can be reclaimed (and has, on a grand scale - that's what START is really all about)	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	decimation most of them use the thin walled sphere with boron chain fillings. they can be safely dismantled.	[00:11]
decimation	well, sure but it would have been more efficient to use it at lower enrichment levels in the first place	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	eh, waste is what life's all about.	[00:11]
decimation	"At 25 ml per	[00:13]
decimation	year, a lifetime?s worth of high-level nuclear waste would amount to less	[00:13]
decimation	than 2 litres. Even when we multiply by 60 million people, the lifetime vol-	[00:13]
decimation	ume of nuclear waste doesn?t sound unmanageable: 105 000 cubic metres.	[00:13]
decimation	That?s the same volume as 35 olympic swimming pools. "	[00:13]
decimation	shit my new irc client doesn't rate limit my pastes :(	[00:13]
decimation	http://www.withouthotair.com/c24/page_170.shtml	[00:13]
assbot	Ch 24 Page 170: Sustainable Energy - without the hot air \| David MacKay ... ( http://bit.ly/1cGviHl )	[00:13]
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mircea_popescu	60 mn ? what's wrong with 60bn ?	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	and yes, a cubic kilometer of very poisonous stuff sounds pretty unmanageable./	[00:14]
decimation	well, he was writing about the uk	[00:14]
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decimation	"Compare this 25 ml per year per person of high-level nuclear waste with the other traditional forms of waste we currently dump: municipal waste 517 kg per year per person; hazardous waste 83 kg per year per year"	[00:15]
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mircea_popescu	"hazardous waste" is old monitors.	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	the only way it'll kill you is by falling on your head.	[00:16]
bitstein	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1127582 << the link to this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/35hpkt/please_remind_me_once_again_why_we_cant_decrease/cr4wk0g	[00:16]
assbot	Logged on 11-05-2015 02:21:20; williamdunne: Gavin is now also advocating for 1 minute blocks	[00:16]
assbot	gavinandresen comments on Please remind me once again why we can't decrease the time interval between blocks instead of increasing their size ... ( http://bit.ly/1cGvUww )	[00:16]
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mircea_popescu	there's a very simple way to decrease interval between blocks : gavin can just go buy some miners and stfu.	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	if the need is there, the fix is obvious. pay more per btc, so miners get more mining done, so more txn get in per day.	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	if the need isn't there... i guess go derp on reddit about things of great interest and matters of great import.	[00:18]
mod6	here's today's update on v0.5.3.1+Orphanage_Thermonuke: http://dpaste.com/1TX25HH.txt	[00:23]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1cGxcrj )	[00:23]
decimation	the alternative to nuclear fission is to emit radiation via coal burning	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	how does that work ?	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	lead, mercury etc are the problem, not radiation	[00:29]
decimation	"Uranium and thorium have concentrations of roughly 1 ppm and	[00:30]
decimation	2 ppm respectively in coal."	[00:30]
decimation	plus I like to eat bluefin tuna, and coal emissions are ruining it	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	eh, welfare is ruining it.	[00:31]
decimation	http://www.epa.gov/radiation/tenorm/coalandcoalash.html	[00:31]
assbot	Coal Ash \| Radiation Protection \| US EPA ... ( http://bit.ly/1cGyNgO )	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	if the peons didn't have the printing folk to give them free money, they wouldn't afford bluefin tuna.	[00:31]
decimation	well, that's no reason to piss mercury into the ocean	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	looky, mercury is heavy. it'll go to the bottom.	[00:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42850 @ 0.00024942 = 10.6876 BTC [-]	[00:35]
mircea_popescu	this happens naturally as well. it's what it does.	[00:35]
decimation	so to be clear, it's your position that it's better w.r.t. to "pollution" for electricity to come from coal vice nuclear fission?	[00:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00024326 = 5.8869 BTC [-]	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	better requires some criteria.	[00:40]
decimation	well, my favorite criteria are "pollution sits in a pool" rather than "pollution is spammed over planet's surface"	[00:41]
mircea_popescu	i suspect coal is much clenaner then.	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	take a look at fukishima to understand this problem.	[00:45]
decimation	uranium is heavy; it'll go to the bottom.	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	also, consider that a comparison of new nuclear with old coal is pretty stupid. you're not advertising deployument of 1970s soviet nuclear plants. consequently, you don't get to compare to 1950s coal plants.	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	the modern liquefied coal stuff is actually pretty clean	[00:46]
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mircea_popescu	in unrelated tinfoil hat fodder : i dunno if anyone remembers the one time world came closest to nuclear war (1983), or the fate of kal-007. the thing is tho, the russians at the time claimed the bad flightpath was deliberate provocation, and that the cia had warned nixon not to go with that flight.	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	this seemed pretty ridiculous at the time, and perhaps it is. or perhaps it's part of a playbook, and the same strategy was later used to try and "turn public opinion" in the ukraine.	[00:48]
danielpbarron	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1127561 << didn't work, and I was able to re-create my own not-working selection -> http://trilema.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/#selection-151.0-157.22	[00:52]
assbot	Logged on 11-05-2015 00:08:52; mircea_popescu: sheeeit i should have linked http://trilema.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/#selection-151.0-157.386 instead. gotta learn to use this great tool now!	[00:52]
assbot	Why "representative democracy" doesn't work and doesn't make sense on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1cGCbIz )	[00:52]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron how did it not work ?	[00:53]
danielpbarron	doesn't jump down to that part of the page and doesn't select the text	[00:54]
danielpbarron	it works for you?	[00:54]
mircea_popescu	yup, just tried.	[00:54]
danielpbarron	i can produce other urls that do work	[00:54]
mircea_popescu	and no js errors pop up.	[00:54]
danielpbarron	browser bug on my end then i guess	[00:54]
danielpbarron	151.0 makes it start the selection at the "xii" footnote link	[00:56]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: kal-007 << 100% sop today, ua being example, yes	[01:10]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: this comparison was widely made in ru sphere	[01:11]
asciilifeform	it even has english name - 'meaconing'	[01:11]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/i-think-you-drastically-overestimate-the-military-importance-of-nuclear-weapons/#comment-114105	[01:19]
assbot	I think you drastically overestimate the military importance of nuclear weapons. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1cGIr39 )	[01:19]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127543 << we did the tile here, iirc. my argument that they will never repay the cost of their manufacture seems ever closer to utter certainty	[01:29]
assbot	Logged on 10-05-2015 23:16:02; mircea_popescu: toaster is kinda dumb, but ceramic tiles for warm floor is worth doing.	[01:29]
asciilifeform	one can debate the solar panels - but this seems like a hands-down defeat.	[01:30]
asciilifeform	esp. if they were to become at all common and shoot the difficulty into outer space	[01:30]
asciilifeform	(solar panels, in contrast, at least do not suffer from the problem of becoming proportionately more useless with each one made)	[01:31]
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asciilifeform	re: nuke thread: decimation has it. nobody (save possibly pakistan) fields pure fission warheads today. not even for the tiny 'dial-a-yield' things fashionable in usa & ru. too 'dirty' and not considerably cheaper than 2-stage affair	[01:35]
decimation	yeah some deuterium spices up the party	[01:38]
asciilifeform	tritium	[01:38]
asciilifeform	(depending on your cycle, sure)	[01:38]
decimation	at any rate, as I wrote later, it seems that the actual amount of U in the ground isn't really fully known	[01:40]
asciilifeform	the interesting thing is, as i pointed out in link, 1) kinetics (how quickly energy is delivered) matter far more than thermodynamics (how much is delivered)	[01:40]
decimation	yeah, 8 mm of water vaporization would zing if delivered in a few microseconds	[01:41]
asciilifeform	2) not only flesh but infrastructure - are fragile. 'tsar bomba' knocked out power lines for many km despite being tested far from civilization (emp by zipping charged particles through van allen belt, a well-understood effect.) picture just one of these over, e.g., new york	[01:41]
asciilifeform	put it this way, falling on ice onto one's arse delivers more kinetic energy than any bullet	[01:42]
asciilifeform	which one would you rather take	[01:42]
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mircea_popescu	!up rotarydialer	[02:28]
-assbot-	You voiced rotarydialer for 30 minutes.	[02:28]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform there is no discussion about the difficulty going to outer space.	[02:29]
mircea_popescu	about as avoidable as farts.	[02:29]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform answer't.	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	mircea_popescu: this comparison was widely made in ru sphere << to my [dis]credit, i just came up wiuth it on my own. i guess i should read more.	[02:35]
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mircea_popescu	and speaking of ukraine weird, am i the only one to think Ю́щенко's disappearing act from ukrainian politics is weird ? the guy was strong enough to be worth poisoning a decade ago, gets 1% in 2012 ?	[02:56]
mircea_popescu	not to mention the woman, w/e her name was	[02:57]
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mircea_popescu	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/Medvedev%2C_Putin_and_Tymoshenko.jpg << check it out, someone really liked medveev.	[03:05]
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cazalla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1127582 <<< pretty sure that's bait so he can turn around and say see, people troll me regardless of what i say therefore my 20mb blocksize limit argument has merit	[05:17]
scoopbot_revived	Views From A Shithole, or Periplus Through Stupidity http://trilema.com/2015/views-from-a-shithole-or-periplus-through-stupidity/	[05:17]
assbot	Logged on 11-05-2015 02:21:20; williamdunne: Gavin is now also advocating for 1 minute blocks	[05:17]
mircea_popescu	cazalla it'd work a lot better if anyone gave a shit what he says.	[05:18]
cazalla	and anyway, even if he made a good argument for an increase in the blocksize, his current proposition differs to the incremental increase he suggested only a few months back, can't respect a guy that secede his position so quickly regardless of merit	[05:19]
mircea_popescu	i think he went from salesman trying to impress & get a raise to salesman desperate to avoid the glengarry prize for third place.	[05:20]
cazalla	heh	[05:20]
mircea_popescu	in other news, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4c2JWOCHEDM	[05:21]
assbot	FOAR GURLS FRUM BOXXY - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZ4ixT )	[05:21]
davout	cazalla: i can't help to think that if the guy's really compromised than he probably feels pretty good about the way his proposals are going	[05:22]
mircea_popescu	o yea ?	[05:23]
davout	i mean, if he's compromised and is actually against raising the limit, he has to be happy about it not going too well, right	[05:24]
mircea_popescu	you're not about to introduce your own rendition of the meta-nsa theme are you.	[05:24]
mircea_popescu	o boy.	[05:24]
cazalla	mircea_popescu, linking new boxxy is like 20mb block size limit whereas old boxxy.. pre-famous boxxy are 1mb sizes, l2p	[05:24]
mircea_popescu	right, clearly.	[05:24]
davout	is that so stupid? not sure if sarcasm	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	cazalla honestly i like the new boxxy much better. shit she's saying is of course a lot dumber than before, but at least now it's banal too. easier to ignore.	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	davout it's not stupid per se. it's boundless.	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	you know, maybe the shrimp i had earlier and am now digesting REALLY MEANT to be eaten. it was its plan all along. i fell into its well laid out trap!	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	sure...	[05:25]
davout	who's to know	[05:26]
cazalla	mircea_popescu, but the new ones reak of how can i leverage my succesful random videos with new, non-random random videos with adsense	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	davout more importantly, who's to care.	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	maybe hitler's plan was to lose the war, kill himself, and have his idiocy remade by the winners.	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	if it was, he totally won that bet.	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	cazalla yep.	[05:26]
cazalla	i'd even wager her come back video has some ad agency or fucking youtube studio involved	[05:27]
cazalla	had even	[05:27]
davout	yea no argument here	[05:27]
mircea_popescu	in other words : the space of possibilities is necessarily and by definition very vast and entirely open. this however does not make it automatically also interesting.	[05:28]
mircea_popescu	"why did you hit this man in the head ?" "i thought maybe it'd do him good" "why ?" "dunno" judge thinks it through "alright, case dismissed. maybe it does do him good."	[05:28]
cazalla	davout, i think he is more likely to be trolling than a canary as you said on /r/bitcoin.. the guy has had his childish tantrums on bitcointalk before in 40pt font	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	hard to bead diablo-d3 at that.	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	anyone else remember his "THE BITCOIN COMMUNITY ~must~ give me 1mn BTC to do stuff I came up with because that's the only way IT'll matter!11", or am i the only one ?	[05:30]
mircea_popescu	then people lol'd and he went apeshit.	[05:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87933 @ 0.00024266 = 21.3378 BTC [-]	[05:30]
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mircea_popescu	i guess it's only me. a well, was lulzy.	[05:35]
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davout	mircea_popescu: lol when was that?	[05:38]
mircea_popescu	2012ish	[05:38]
mircea_popescu	in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/6aa41bb8b99299d0804958b220fcda59/tumblr_mx2l06UT1k1rkrrhko3_500.gif	[05:38]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1FZ5b9A )	[05:38]
davout	cute!	[05:38]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77469.msg861656#msg861656	[05:39]
assbot	Diablo Mining Company ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZ5cud )	[05:39]
mircea_popescu	and yeah she;s a total cutie. http://sexslaveemporium.tumblr.com/post/74400459676	[05:41]
assbot	Shadow Centurion's Sex Slave Emporium ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZ5gKv )	[05:41]
davout	mircea_popescu: ah, i misread, thought the 1mn thing was about gavin	[05:42]
cazalla	cutie? i see no face in that gif, could be butter for all i know	[05:44]
mircea_popescu	butter ?!	[05:46]
cazalla	u know, butterface, all those gifs and no face, odds are good you'll be paperbagging that cutue	[05:46]
mircea_popescu	;;ud butterface	[05:47]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=butter+face \| n. A girl who is hot, except for her (but her, butter) face.	[05:47]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[05:47]
mircea_popescu	the shit i learn hanging out here.	[05:47]
cazalla	mebe it's aussie slang, i unno	[05:47]
mircea_popescu	http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/636787/	[05:48]
assbot	Butterface Girls - Gallery ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZ5CAT )	[05:48]
mircea_popescu	i had noticed before how extremely rare it is for a great ass to find itself on a pretty face.	[05:48]
mircea_popescu	but tits, i think, more commonly.	[05:48]
cazalla	which do you prefer, great ass or tits	[05:50]
davout	cazalla: which do you prefer? bumping blocks to 20mb, or shrinking them to 100kb?	[05:51]
davout	:D	[05:51]
cazalla	davout, well my missus has one of thise 20mb fat asses	[05:51]
cazalla	(not that i really give a shit these days)	[05:52]
davout	heh	[05:52]
cazalla	and to think how bad i was jonesing to hit that lol	[05:52]
davout	;;ud jonesing	[05:56]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jonesing \| Sheeeit beeeitch after smokin' dat weed I'm jonesing for some grub! Shaniqua is mad jonesing for Rasheed, dat bitch follow him around everywhere. by Nick D ...	[05:56]
davout	lol	[05:56]
cazalla	https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1411/84/1411847912290.jpg while browsing, not related to my bitching of the missus	[06:00]
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punkman	http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/periplus-1.jpg < http://i1.mdzol.com/files/image/594/594580/5544b8e4af5f8_565_319!.jpg	[06:01]
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assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1bJBaOq )	[06:01]
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punkman	Obaca, my sides	[06:01]
davout	cazalla: topkek	[06:02]
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mircea_popescu	4plebs lol	[06:11]
mircea_popescu	cazalla anyway, great ass. tits easier to fix.	[06:11]
mircea_popescu	is that jpg proposing the derpy chicks above are somehow dangerous ?	[06:12]
mircea_popescu	to what, fudge ?	[06:12]
cazalla	i guess more so danger, they have issues but whatever i liked it so whatevers i link what i want	[06:15]
mircea_popescu	lol	[06:16]
cazalla	drinking some cheap shitty cherry brandy amyways	[06:16]
mircea_popescu	you know you could distil your own rabbits!	[06:16]
mircea_popescu	i wonder what rabbitrandy tastes like	[06:16]
cazalla	don't have em, not for a while, fucked em off given the situation here	[06:17]
mircea_popescu	oh ?	[06:17]
cazalla	meh what can i say, made my own bed	[06:19]
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mats	http://cryptome.org/2015/05/nsa-skynet-intercept-15-0507.pdf	[07:35]
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B0g4r7	badon bagels7 BananaLotus Belxjander ben_vulpes BigBitz BingoBoingo bitspill BlueMatt bounce btcdrak	[07:57]
mircea_popescu	this one's for BingoBoingo : http://firstdown.ro/stiri/diverse/bucharest-warriors-inving-categoric-mures-monsters/	[07:57]
assbot	Bucharest Warriors înving categoric Mureș Monsters \| First Down \| Fotbal american în România ... ( http://bit.ly/1EvQbL4 )	[07:57]
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mircea_popescu	https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/34zini/some_say_gavin_can_kill_1000_trolls_in_a_single/ << check out the post-structuralist world. idiots on either side of an imaginary divide discover that well... they're really just idiots, the divide was imaginary, stuff like that.	[08:02]
assbot	Some say Gavin can kill 1000 trolls in a single swing : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1zVys4b )	[08:02]
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cazalla	http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3073349/Is-world-s-longest-tongue-18-year-old-lick-nose-chin-EYE.html imagine that on ya balls	[08:15]
assbot	World's longest tongue can lick Adrianne Lewis' nose, chin and EYE \| Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1zVzrkX )	[08:15]
mircea_popescu	easier with two girls	[08:19]
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cazalla	i dunno, sorta like micropenis guy claiming 4-5 of his would be just as good if not better than a 10" eh? :P	[08:20]
mircea_popescu	lol	[08:23]
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cazalla	horry shit, people actually kill themselves over ransomware http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11363099/Autistic-boy-hanged-himself-after-receiving-bogus-police-email.html	[08:34]
assbot	Autistic boy hanged himself after receiving bogus 'police' email - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9qGmZ )	[08:34]
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scoopbot_revived	The Chicken Brothers Cook Up Some Ransomware http://qntra.net/2015/05/the-chicken-brothers-cook-up-some-ransomware/	[08:42]
cazalla	i could really go for some of that chicken right now	[08:47]
cazalla	http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/35fftw/satoshi_dressup_impersonator_gavin_andresen_has/	[08:53]
assbot	Satoshi dress-up impersonator Gavin Andresen, has given up promoting larger block sizes. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9s6h6 )	[08:53]
mircea_popescu	aww	[08:54]
mircea_popescu	"Most news sites you see on the internet are just one guy writing under multiple names. Writers are expensive. This wouldn't be the first site that does that nor would it even be unusual.	[08:55]
mircea_popescu	pround member of the "things the voices in my head tell me are real" internet liberation party	[08:55]
davout	cazalla: "but at this time that inbox is empty" <<< can you read it?	[08:59]
cazalla	davout, mailinator is one of those disposable email services that anyone can check if you give out the username	[09:01]
davout	ic, and the username is the email username i take	[09:01]
davout	weird they'd pick that	[09:02]
cazalla	yup, so if you don't want to have spam sent to your inbox or want an address that is shared, it's useful for that	[09:02]
davout	jon matonis on the qntra itbit piece "Market-based legitimacy will always trump any flavor of institutional or political legitimacy. Bitcoin outlives political institutions."	[09:02]
davout	quite ironic he'd speak about "institutional legitimacy"	[09:03]
cazalla	davout, dunno what to make of it, he retweets a lot of qntra stuff despite his bitcoin foundation history	[09:07]
cazalla	to borrow a line.. in other news, 75% of these women on MFC are fucking useless camwhores	[09:08]
cazalla	if i was a chick, i'd be top 5 mfc easy	[09:08]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/35jnw9/is_bitcoin_vulnerable_to_a_financial_attack_like/	[09:16]
assbot	Is bitcoin vulnerable to a "financial attack" like the one the gold market suffered? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9tL6h )	[09:16]
cazalla	https://grrrgraphics.wordpress.com/2015/05/08/cuck-a-duck-by-ben-garrison/ lulz ben garrison strikes back against moot even though moot didn't face his drawings but anyway	[09:16]
mircea_popescu	[–]Future_Prophecy 0 points 7 hours ago	[09:16]
mircea_popescu	Read this: http://trilema.com/2014/lets-pretend/	[09:16]
mircea_popescu	permalink	[09:16]
mircea_popescu	[–]bitcoinquestions001 0 points 7 hours ago	[09:16]
mircea_popescu	Came to post this link, but you beat me to it. OP take the time to read this.	[09:16]
mircea_popescu	derp.	[09:16]
assbot	Cuck a Duck by Ben Garrison \| GrrrGraphics ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9tK2i )	[09:16]
assbot	Let's pretend... on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9tK2o )	[09:16]
cazalla	the /r/bitcoin mods fkn banned me the cunts :	[09:17]
cazalla	you can call people niggers but don't tell people to kill themselves	[09:18]
mircea_popescu	maybe they didn't like teh qntra.	[09:19]
cazalla	nah, wasn't that	[09:20]
cazalla	i rarely submit qntra there anyway	[09:20]
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mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/#comment-114111 << check it out, BingoBoingo s filipino dreamgirl. https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/428549020479279105/L7WQO3J2.jpeg	[09:21]
assbot	I'll pay for your tits on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwprQb )	[09:21]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1IwppYL )	[09:21]
cazalla	specifically http://i.imgur.com/5Xkhidy.png	[09:21]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Iwpqfl )	[09:21]
cazalla	https://twitter.com/cutiemerz27 for bb	[09:22]
assbot	merzy caballero (@cutiemerz27) \| Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iwpyvd )	[09:22]
mircea_popescu	cazalla lol why so hostile anyway	[09:22]
cazalla	was prob drunk	[09:22]
mircea_popescu	lol and you found out a week later ?	[09:23]
cazalla	no no, just mentioning it now	[09:23]
cazalla	not exactly news or bragworthy, like the 5th time i've been banned from /r/bitcoin	[09:24]
cazalla	just had a bit more time sunk into this account	[09:24]
cazalla	bit of a disgrace considering bruce fenton of the bitcoin foundation has change tipped fedora'd me a couple times	[09:26]
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jurov	https://jonasnick.github.io/blog/2015/05/09/fuzzing-bitcoin-consensus/	[12:51]
assbot	Fuzzing Bitcoin Consensus - nickler's ... ( http://bit.ly/1PC7ss8 )	[12:51]
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thestringpuller	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/35lebr/announcing_pgp_support_on_bitmex/ << PGP support announced for an exchange. The plot thickens?	[13:04]
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ben_vulpes	http://www.wsj.com/articles/chinas-smartphone-market-slows-down-1431296873 << modern manufacturing can crank out so many units as to completely overwhelm demand. this, i believe, is what's actually driving apple into the 'watch market', such as it is	[13:08]
assbot	China’s Smartphone Market Slows Down - WSJ	[13:08]
thestringpuller	i like how mpex is completely ignored in the GPG discussion. "Ignore the guys with the nukes and they'll just go away."	[13:11]
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williamdunne	thestringpuller: Not the first exchange to add PGP support	[13:31]
williamdunne	We were doing it and will continue to do it when we relaunch	[13:31]
williamdunne	IIRC Kraken does signing but not encryption	[13:31]
williamdunne	Would be tragic for the NSA to lose out on that valuable data	[13:31]
thestringpuller	MPEx was the first exchange to have GPG support...	[13:32]
BingoBoingo	this one's for BingoBoingo : http://firstdown.ro/stiri/diverse/bucharest-warriors-inving-categoric-mures-monsters/ << That's quite the one sided game. The write up of the handegg game as though it is a soccer game is an interesting cultural artifact. Also that quarterback with all the touchdown passes seems to have an awfully generic name...	[13:32]
assbot	Bucharest Warriors înving categoric Mureș Monsters \| First Down \| Fotbal american în România ... ( http://bit.ly/1zT5rWB )	[13:32]
williamdunne	thestringpuller: I know, although its not really used much by the people in question	[13:34]
williamdunne	thestringpuller: It also has the most thorough implementation	[13:35]
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danielpbarron	!up bitcoinquestions	[13:41]
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bitcoinquestions	Came to post this link, but you beat me to it. OP take the time to read this. Derp. << Do you feel the comment is pointless because OP is likely a bot etc.? Or do you feel the article is irrelevant to the matter at hand?	[13:44]
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danielpbarron	bitcoinquestions, to which link are you referring?	[13:45]
bitcoinquestions	http://trilema.com/2014/lets-pretend/	[13:46]
assbot	Let's pretend... on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zT7RV7 )	[13:46]
bitcoinquestions	in response to http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/35jnw9/is_bitcoin_vulnerable_to_a_financial_attack_like/	[13:46]
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danielpbarron	"But what if one of these government backed exchanges start working with a huge leverage using fiat as its backing and not bitcoins?" << start? isn't that the SOP?	[13:56]
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pete_dushenski	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/05/11/allrussian_elbrus_pcs_and_servers_go_on_sale/ << it's a great day for alf!	[14:01]
assbot	All-Russian 'Elbrus' PCs and servers go on sale • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1KB6Txg )	[14:01]
pete_dushenski	"The Elbrus 4c used in the PCs and servers is said to support two instruction sets: very long instruction word and SPARC."	[14:01]
pete_dushenski	"The Elbrus ARM-401 PC is a minitower packing a version of Linux also called Elbrus and boasts four USB 2.0 ports, a PCI-express slot, gigabit ethernet and not much more."	[14:01]
pete_dushenski	"The CPU is otherwise unremarkable: it packs four cores, but they stroll along at 800 MHz and are built using a 65 nm process."	[14:01]
pete_dushenski	"The Server Elbrus 4.4 is a four-socket affair and four of the machines fit into a 1U chassis. Gigabit ethernet, SATA and plenty of PCI slots connect it to other kit and the rest of the worlds."	[14:02]
pete_dushenski	!s elbrus	[14:02]
assbot	13 results for 'elbrus' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=elbrus	[14:02]
williamdunne	thestringpuller: PGP over HTTP is not necessary when using SSL (HTTPS). Signing and encrypting with PGP is a nice way to bypass using authorization tokens, though, but it is not usable in a modern exchange interface. Trades on MPEx are very slow as a result.	[14:02]
williamdunne	MPEx did pioneer many things in Bitcoin derivatives and they deserve credit for that. However, I find it unlikely that an exchange with such a high up-front fee just to participate will ever find mainstream acceptance.	[14:02]
williamdunne	You got your response	[14:03]
pete_dushenski	;;later tell danielpbarron cheers!	[14:05]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[14:05]
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danielpbarron	mainstream acceptance is not desirable	[14:06]
danielpbarron	such a thing may be what caused the great depression	[14:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15716 @ 0.00026768 = 4.2069 BTC [+]	[14:07]
danielpbarron	letting anybody with 2 cents to rub together trade on margin	[14:07]
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danielpbarron	williamdunne, ^, ssl is a suitable alternative for GPG !?	[14:07]
williamdunne	Apparently so! I never knew!	[14:08]
danielpbarron	oh that was a copy paste?	[14:08]
williamdunne	> However, I find it unlikely that an exchange with such a high up-front fee just to participate will ever find mainstream acceptance.	[14:08]
williamdunne	That assumes mainstream acceptance is the goal.	[14:08]
williamdunne	>PGP over HTTP is not necessary when using SSL (HTTPS).	[14:08]
williamdunne	That depends on the function you are going for. SSL doesn't serve as a way to verify each party and obviously has some contentious things going on with cert authorities.	[14:08]
williamdunne	There are ways of doing similar things in a usable and optional fashion.	[14:08]
pete_dushenski	danielpbarron: i dun think williamdunne wrote that..	[14:08]
mike_c	you should put quotes around stupid crap like that	[14:08]
danielpbarron	lol sorry	[14:08]
williamdunne	Yeah, that was the CTO of BitMex	[14:08]
pete_dushenski	mike_c: good point.	[14:08]
pete_dushenski	williamdunne: you wanna invite him over ?	[14:10]
williamdunne	Yeah I'll do that	[14:10]
williamdunne	Invited	[14:11]
pete_dushenski	cool.	[14:11]
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pete_dushenski	ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1127958 !	[14:13]
assbot	Logged on 11-05-2015 16:56:47; pete_dushenski: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/05/11/allrussian_elbrus_pcs_and_servers_go_on_sale/ << it's a great day for alf!	[14:13]
pete_dushenski	... can it be ?	[14:13]
ascii_field	eh no distributor afaik	[14:14]
pete_dushenski	no factory direct ?	[14:14]
ascii_field	nope	[14:14]
ascii_field	just an email addr	[14:14]
ascii_field	'inquiries'	[14:14]
pete_dushenski	what the hell are airplanes for ?	[14:15]
ascii_field	in other, more interesting news,	[14:15]
ascii_field	http://gfycat.com/FinishedScratchyFoxhound	[14:15]
assbot	all - Jiffier gifs through HTML5 Video Conversion.	[14:15]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu ^^	[14:15]
ascii_field	mega-sport	[14:15]
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williamdunne	They really do have some creative shows..	[14:16]
ascii_field	pretty clear from the www that they aren't selling onceies	[14:16]
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williamdunne	65 nm - thats BFL standards	[14:17]
pete_dushenski	hm. so groupbuy it is.	[14:18]
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williamdunne	Are we gonna be able to get maybe 10k units between us?	[14:20]
williamdunne	Bitcoin-ISP growing faster than expected	[14:20]
ascii_field	williamdunne: if you exclude mircea_popescu, i doubt we can get 10,000 plastic forks between the lot of us	[14:21]
pete_dushenski	lolk	[14:21]
pete_dushenski	except excluding mp from this consideration is like excluding air from discussions of breathing.	[14:22]
pete_dushenski	to what end do you make this exclusion ?	[14:22]
ascii_field	to the end that thread re: whether 'we' will buy something is really a thread about whether mircea_popescu might buy something, and ought to be labeled correctly	[14:23]
ascii_field	but to go to original point, there is nothing magical about ru cpu (esp. a sparc clone, almost certainly built from 'opensparc')	[14:23]
pete_dushenski	'groupbuy' implies nothing about proportions.	[14:24]
pete_dushenski	so it's 95-5	[14:24]
pete_dushenski	but yes, is this elbrus isn't sufficiently magical, then it makes as much sense as buying 10,000 apple watches	[14:25]
ascii_field	more like 10,000 'loongson's.	[14:25]
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ascii_field	from spec sheet: 800MHz sparc-like; sata-2; 12 ddr3 ecc dimm slots; various standard i/o (e.g., pci-e, GbE;) and, most interestingly, built-in fpga for 2d interconnect into clusters by directly linking bus (202 G/s claimed.)	[14:27]
ascii_field	so far reminiscent of sgi 'origin'	[14:28]
pete_dushenski	'there's nothing new under the sun'	[14:28]
ascii_field	beg to differ.	[14:29]
ascii_field	but 'nothing new sold retail' - sure	[14:29]
pete_dushenski	ok, so is similarity to 'origin' a positive step or a mark of failure ?	[14:29]
pete_dushenski	(for those of us who have nfi)	[14:30]
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ascii_field	positive	[14:32]
ascii_field	one of the things glaringly missing from even the costliest x86 mb is a means for connecting them as tiles	[14:32]
ascii_field	at full bus speed	[14:32]
pete_dushenski	interesting.	[14:34]
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ascii_field	http://www.overclockers.ua/news/hardware/2015-05-09/115773 << alleged price, 4k usd	[14:37]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1zThFyv )	[14:37]
ascii_field	though, pictured unit is a much more modest demo, it appears	[14:37]
ascii_field	rather than the quad cpu rack mount thing from earlier link	[14:37]
ascii_field	offered to 'russian incorporated entities only'	[14:38]
pete_dushenski	same as this : http://www.mcst.ru/arm-elbrus401	[14:38]
ascii_field	aha.	[14:38]
pete_dushenski	was in article as well.	[14:38]
pete_dushenski	it's surely doable to incorporate in russia	[14:39]
pete_dushenski	if the juice is worth the squeeze	[14:39]
ascii_field	pete_dushenski: iirc you gotta have a physical agent there.	[14:39]
ascii_field	(and do at least a convincing simulacrum of legit business)	[14:40]
pete_dushenski	ok so not exactly wrapped in an amazon box and shipped to your door	[14:40]
ascii_field	at any rate, for what it is - 4k usd is not an obscene bag of benjies; but i have doubts that you can get these 1) in onecies 2) for anywhere close to the manufacturer's retail cost	[14:41]
pete_dushenski	but hey, if this things are cool enough, they're not exactly 'unobtanium'	[14:41]
ascii_field	3) any time soon.	[14:41]
pete_dushenski	*these things	[14:41]
ascii_field	first one here to grab one, please write in.	[14:41]
pete_dushenski	ascii_field: doubts shmouts	[14:41]
pete_dushenski	this seems like a worthy project	[14:42]
pete_dushenski	for all the bitching about usg chip diddling in this place	[14:42]
ascii_field	pete_dushenski: mebbe you can trade that astonmartin for an 'elbrus'	[14:42]
pete_dushenski	it's a mercedes !	[14:42]
ascii_field	ah	[14:42]
ascii_field	l0l	[14:42]
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pete_dushenski	!up ascii_field	[14:42]
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ascii_field	danke pete_dushenski	[14:43]
pete_dushenski	bitte :)	[14:43]
ascii_field	elbrus for many decades (yes) had reputation not entirely unlike 'butterfly labs' or what was it.	[14:43]
ascii_field	since soviet times, even	[14:44]
pete_dushenski	'pay now, mebbe ship later'	[14:44]
ascii_field	aha	[14:44]
williamdunne	At least its marginally less important when the kit arrives in some circumstances than with bitcoin mining	[14:44]
pete_dushenski	typical crowdfund dealio apparently wasn't invented for crowdfunding. who knew.	[14:44]
pete_dushenski	is there nothing those crowdfundtards won't steal!	[14:45]
ascii_field	at any rate, the reason to hold off creaming your pants on this occasion, is that 1) it's yet another von neumann turd 2) enjoy trading usg boobytraps for ru variant	[14:45]
*	pete_dushenski is reminded of recent commenter who was all "crowdfund your bitcoin nodes if they're too expensive"	[14:45]
williamdunne	3) With considerable performance losses	[14:46]
williamdunne	4) At greater cost per computational unit	[14:46]
ascii_field	from standpoint of boobytraps, an example of 'worth writing home about' would be a machine 1) with pedantically open spec, to transistor level 2) with provisions for tandemming with implementations of same by other, foreign makers	[14:46]
williamdunne	^tm	[14:46]
williamdunne	5) With far less support in terms of software you may need to run	[14:46]
ascii_field	williamdunne: lack of support for winblows is a feature, not bug	[14:47]
williamdunne	I never mentioned windows	[14:47]
ascii_field	(and there is claimed x86 dynamic translation, a la apple ppc. so it may yet turn out that most 'elbrus' will end up running winblowsxp...)	[14:47]
ascii_field	williamdunne: what did you have in mind ?	[14:47]
williamdunne	Admittedly it was a while ago, but I can remember getting most things to run on an RPI-like was an absolute bitch	[14:48]
ascii_field	williamdunne: rpi in particular was a miserably underpowered (nic shared usb line with drives) thing	[14:49]
ascii_field	or do you consider any box where you can't suck down prebuilt packages from the net, to be 'a bitch to run'	[14:49]
williamdunne	Mmm the second thing a bit. Prebuilt certainly makes mundane tasks that should be easy, easy	[14:49]
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trinque	nothing that hard about cross compiling to arm	[14:50]
ascii_field	or compiling on arm	[14:50]
ascii_field	(the only reason we don't build bitcoind on pogo is the ram-poverty)	[14:51]
williamdunne	Nothing that hard, but often its ignored by developers	[14:51]
ascii_field	as far as i'm concerned, if it won't compile on my box, for my box, it doesn't exist	[14:53]
mircea_popescu	you're not the only one.	[14:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45836 @ 0.00025338 = 11.6139 BTC [-]	[15:01]
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ascii_field	usg photol0l: http://cryptome.org/sugar-grove-bunker.jpg	[15:03]
*	jurov is curious for how many people will eulora exist then	[15:03]
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jurov	there's this big hairy crystalspace dependency that apparently calls ssh from configure	[15:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33332 @ 0.00025338 = 8.4457 BTC [-]	[15:04]
ascii_field	wat	[15:04]
jurov	yes. ask ben_vulpes or mod6	[15:04]
ascii_field	l0l, that thing has a www! http://www.nioc-sugargrove.navy.mil	[15:06]
assbot	Welcome to Navy Forces Online Public Sites ... ( http://bit.ly/1zTmXtR )	[15:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73765 @ 0.00025332 = 18.6861 BTC [-] {2}	[15:07]
mod6	yeah, I don't remember having that problem before with CS... but maybe i'd forgotten?!	[15:08]
ascii_field	http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB23/09-03.htm << ran a classic 'echelon' node	[15:08]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1zTngVk )	[15:08]
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trinque	http://trilema.com/2015/views-from-a-shithole-or-periplus-through-stupidity/#selection-111.62-111.89 << ahaha, I'm saving that one for later.	[15:13]
assbot	Views From A Shithole, or Periplus Through Stupidity on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zToikq )	[15:13]
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davout	williamdunne: you scared me with that SSL shit	[15:26]
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mats	fun fact: you can use scrypt to attempt remote code integrity attestation on microprocessors.	[15:28]
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jurov	what is "emote code integrity attestation"?	[15:29]
mats	(as long as you fill unused flash with high entropy NOPs that eventually jump to a fault handler, and do attestation via reset to a minimal bootloader that can use all memory)	[15:29]
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jurov	mats: i still don't understand you	[15:31]
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mircea_popescu	there's this big hairy crystalspace dependency that apparently calls ssh from configure << ahaha wut!	[15:31]
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mircea_popescu	trinque isn't it great that now you can :D	[15:32]
trinque	yeah that selection script is sweet	[15:32]
mircea_popescu	:D	[15:32]
mircea_popescu	mats yep, part oif why the entire "attestation" bs is so lulzy.	[15:33]
davout	is it supposed to work on trilema? as in, i select arbitrary text and i'l given a URL reference?	[15:33]
mats	jurov: p much what it sounds like: generating a proof of certain properties re: integrity, e.g. configuration and state of hardware/sw stack	[15:33]
mats	jurov: usual approach is through hashing regions of memory for comparison	[15:33]
mircea_popescu	davout yup. requires js, but it's pretty solid. try itr.	[15:33]
davout	i tried, didn't werk	[15:34]
davout	hence confusion	[15:34]
mircea_popescu	well, what error does the console pop ?	[15:34]
davout	none	[15:35]
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davout	maybe i need to flush cache	[15:35]
mircea_popescu	do you run js at all ?	[15:35]
davout	i use an apple computer	[15:35]
davout	that says it all	[15:36]
ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128111 << ancient drm wankatron where lusers are somehow coerced into 'proving' that they run virginal winblows which will obey usg dictat	[15:36]
assbot	Logged on 11-05-2015 18:24:33; jurov: what is "emote code integrity attestation"?	[15:36]
mircea_popescu	davout safari ? or what does it use for a browsder ?	[15:36]
davout	i must be misunderstanding something here, i tried in safari, ff, and chrome	[15:36]
mircea_popescu	ugh. so what happens if you follow trinque's link ?	[15:37]
ascii_field	essentially a byword for 'let's find a way to enforce ban on general-purpose computer'	[15:37]
davout	open an article randomly, select random bit of the article, nothing happens	[15:37]
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davout	ooh	[15:37]
davout	i get it	[15:37]
davout	the URL changes	[15:37]
davout	i kindof expected a little pop-up like on the btc-dev mailing list	[15:38]
mircea_popescu	lol mkay. what did you expect, a bj ?	[15:38]
mircea_popescu	what am i, retarded ?	[15:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37900 @ 0.00025572 = 9.6918 BTC [+] {2}	[15:38]
mats	fun fact: passive radar using 802.11 points and such is a thing.	[15:39]
mircea_popescu	anyway, if there are any javascript experts in the room, you, trinque, whoever : currently it pisses me off because if you click on page it scrolls you to top. any idea how to fix it so it ignores clicks ? just, never scroll as a result of a click.	[15:39]
scoopbot_revived	Liberland "President" Arrested http://qntra.net/2015/05/liberland-president-arrested/	[15:39]
ascii_field	mats: not only a thing, but effectively defeats famous 'stealth airplane'	[15:39]
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mats	how so?	[15:40]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field wut, it connects to wireless ?	[15:40]
mircea_popescu	wifi raiding bomber ?	[15:40]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1127936 more like, "we'll make our own theatre here in akron, ohio. what schubert in new haven ? what square mile ? broadway ? nah dude. ohio teatre."	[15:45]
assbot	Logged on 11-05-2015 16:06:41; thestringpuller: i like how mpex is completely ignored in the GPG discussion. "Ignore the guys with the nukes and they'll just go away."	[15:45]
mircea_popescu	"those guys are the top just because they're priviledged, we can be just as good as them, even better. because we want to, that's why!"	[15:45]
jurov	stealth bomber does reflect microwaves	[15:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51100 @ 0.00025925 = 13.2477 BTC [+] {2}	[15:45]
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danielpbarron	!up soypirate	[15:46]
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mats	fun fact: since OLPC machines use IEEE1275, they all have a Forth implementation baked into the firmware.	[15:46]
mircea_popescu	jurov it never flies that low does it ?	[15:49]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field https://jonasnick.github.io/blog/2015/05/09/fuzzing-bitcoin-consensus/ << you seen this ? fucking major.	[15:49]
assbot	Fuzzing Bitcoin Consensus - nickler's ... ( http://bit.ly/1G0l9R0 )	[15:49]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: yes, saw	[15:49]
ascii_field	let the golang folks be proud of their flagship, l0l	[15:50]
jurov	well, serbians did use passive radar to shoot one down. and then 2.4ghz sources were far not so plentiful	[15:50]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: wut, it connects to wireless << it casts a shadow in microwave spectrum	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	jurov serbians shot down a stealth plane ?	[15:51]
jurov	yea, there's a piece exhibited in belgrade	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	i didn't know they had rockets fast enough even. wtf is this.	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	hey check it out, 1999 F-117A shootdown. is a thing.	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	with a goa lol.	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	those things are as big as the damned f117	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	"In addition, the Serbs had also intercepted and deciphered some NATO communications" AAAAhahahahaha	[15:53]
mircea_popescu	bwahahaha o god have mercy.	[15:53]
jurov	it isn't so inconceivable to point an antenna to sky and scan for reflected 2.4ghz sources	[15:53]
*	ascii_field floored that mircea_popescu had not heard of the mega-airplane	[15:54]
ascii_field	it even sits in a museum, one can visit it	[15:54]
ascii_field	(what's left of it)	[15:54]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field i'm only very marginally interested in this sort of wankery tbh.	[15:55]
ascii_field	there is a (plausible) legend that the strike on the cn embassy was deliberate - as it was where the carcass was hidden	[15:55]
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mircea_popescu	ah, where are the rambunctious years of the serbian "pace" mission.	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	imagine, the us daring to hit a cn embassy today :D	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	how much has changed, how the mighty have fallen, etc.	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1127940 << as in, customer can opt to have no communication with exchange outside of pgp ?	[15:59]
assbot	Logged on 11-05-2015 16:26:55; williamdunne: We were doing it and will continue to do it when we relaunch	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1127949 << i feel the comments are the only good stuff on that reddit piece, which is amusing seeing how they both got 0 votes.	[16:00]
assbot	Logged on 11-05-2015 16:39:56; bitcoinquestions: Came to post this link, but you beat me to it. OP take the time to read this. Derp. << Do you feel the comment is pointless because OP is likely a bot etc.? Or do you feel the article is irrelevant to the matter at hand?	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	the derp was @reddit not at teh comments themselves.	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	and why is bitcoinquestions ?	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1127967 << what are you, nuts ? no exchange with a lower fee EVER, in the entire history of finance, gained mainstream acceptance.	[16:02]
assbot	Logged on 11-05-2015 16:58:26; williamdunne: MPEx did pioneer many things in Bitcoin derivatives and they deserve credit for that. However, I find it unlikely that an exchange with such a high up-front fee just to participate will ever find mainstream acceptance.	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	how much do you think nyse costs ?	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	yes, they used to be more expensive, and have been alligning to the mpex price over the years. nevertheless...	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	im not going to even go into the whole pki nonsense, too lazy atm.	[16:02]
davout	he was quoting apparently	[16:03]
davout	(the pki stuff)	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	oh.	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	well use quotes lol.	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	i was thinking hm, williamdunne ran an exchange ?	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128006 << that gyfcat thing is old, one of the sluts was using it to greatly impress.	[16:05]
assbot	Logged on 11-05-2015 17:10:43; ascii_field: mircea_popescu ^^	[16:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.QNTR] 2850 @ 0.00035271 = 1.0052 BTC [+]	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	ahaha lol.	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	i thought you meant the site. gotta love those girls, great sports.	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field wait, so you're not gonna write an inquiry to the elbrus folks ?	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	you know i am willing to buy one, host it in the ukr lands closeby, and so on.	[16:07]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128018 << says the guy who bought & brought an entire fucking case of pogos, lol.	[16:08]
assbot	Logged on 11-05-2015 17:18:59; ascii_field: to the end that thread re: whether 'we' will buy something is really a thread about whether mircea_popescu might buy something, and ought to be labeled correctly	[16:08]
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mircea_popescu	!up ascii_field	[16:09]
-assbot-	You voiced ascii_field for 30 minutes.	[16:09]
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pete_dushenski	but but but pogos are cheap and shipped to door!	[16:09]
ascii_field	ty mircea_popescu. and pete_dushenski has it - those were lunch money, yes	[16:09]
pete_dushenski	which.... is considerable	[16:09]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: buy elbrus ... << ru corps only is the advertised offer	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	well wtf is a server supposed to cost, 20k ?	[16:10]
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ascii_field	elbrus advertised retail is ~4kusd	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field i can bitch at someone there to buy it, i imagine. prolly so can you	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	ahaha wut ? why ?	[16:10]
ascii_field	ask'em why	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	lolk.	[16:10]
ascii_field	probably answer is 'not made in cn, therefore add a zero to cost'	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	so basically they can only sell to rug.	[16:10]
pete_dushenski	and $4k is for mini tower, not server, neh ?	[16:11]
ascii_field	aha	[16:11]
ascii_field	1xcpu, 4core	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	there is some residual interest in exploring this thing, because it will definitely become the standard in ru bureaucracy, and knowing its holes will allow us to complete our collection of michelle obama cockinmouth.jpg with all the random hos putin manhandles.	[16:11]
ascii_field	basically demo unit	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	but i suspect too early yet	[16:11]
ascii_field	i'd buy in a hearbeat if had any lead on where.	[16:12]
ascii_field	for approx. same reason as mircea_popescu	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field they're prolly looking atm.	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	give it a coupla years, they won't even be able to fix anything anymore because of deployment	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	you use a 0day now, you burn it.	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	even testing for one might burn undiscovered ones.	[16:13]
ascii_field	by the time we find it, it's ripe	[16:13]
ascii_field	but i see a number of oddities right off the bat	[16:13]
ascii_field	e.g., they appear to use foreign nic	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	maybe just for the demo units	[16:13]
ascii_field	and implication from brochure is that there is no native linux port, but uses x86 translatron	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	ahaha wtf	[16:14]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: nah advertised for both	[16:14]
ascii_field	(on vendor's site, specs)	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	myea	[16:14]
ascii_field	so from what i can see, 1) they cut every possible corner 2) rolled in x86 because unspoken 'winblows 4ever'	[16:15]
ascii_field	and 3) no public docs whatsoever. i looked.	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	i don't get why they'd make a x86 sparc.	[16:16]
ascii_field	'hybrid of bulldog and rhinoceros'	[16:17]
ascii_field	they did it for same reason dec included x86 translator with alpha	[16:17]
ascii_field	-- because microshit	[16:17]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128065 << then again that's how the russians sold cars, too.	[16:17]
assbot	Logged on 11-05-2015 17:39:43; pete_dushenski: 'pay now, mebbe ship later'	[16:17]
pete_dushenski	7 years later... it shows up.	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128070 << this is much more valuable than it looks. run them in tandem.	[16:18]
assbot	Logged on 11-05-2015 17:41:02; ascii_field: at any rate, the reason to hold off creaming your pants on this occasion, is that 1) it's yet another von neumann turd 2) enjoy trading usg boobytraps for ru variant	[16:18]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: see rest of thread	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	independence is built EXACTLY out of having access to all the flavours of idiocy	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	that's why trade centers get fat.	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128074 << transistor spec that fits in head, hopefully ?	[16:19]
assbot	Logged on 11-05-2015 17:41:50; ascii_field: from standpoint of boobytraps, an example of 'worth writing home about' would be a machine 1) with pedantically open spec, to transistor level 2) with provisions for tandemming with implementations of same by other, foreign makers	[16:19]
ascii_field	not so hard.	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	(this is not as lulzy as it sounds. there MUST be a fractal pattern somewhere that also makes a machine)	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	anyway, you KNOW most elbrus will be running excel in govt offices. so yes.	[16:20]
mats	fun fact: SQLite compiles queries to a non-trivial VM https://www.sqlite.org/opcode.html	[16:21]
assbot	SQLite Virtual Machine Opcodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hd820l )	[16:21]
ascii_field	machine that is -intended- for tandem operation in single yoke with identical units made by foreign skeptics operating from docs - must be purpose-designed.	[16:21]
mod6	<+mircea_popescu> i don't get why they'd make a x86 sparc. << this is scary. i'd think you'd lose all ops/clock-cycle optimizations doing some translation between the two right?	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	right.	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	it's so stupid it can not be expressed in other words. "x86 sparc"	[16:22]
thestringpuller	williamdunne: seems like d00d thinks GPG is a toy or marketing ploy.	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field success comes from a very patent absence of intent.	[16:22]
mod6	<+mircea_popescu> it's so stupid it can not be expressed in other words. "x86 sparc" << lol	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	intent being the general mark of impending failure.	[16:22]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: tandeming without a single point of failure - 'trusted' vote counter, etc. -- requires something like 'millionaire protocol' and purpose-designed iron.	[16:23]
ascii_field	just the way it works.	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	orly ? so how do the bitcoin nodes tandem ?	[16:23]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: poorly. see sync protocol for instance.	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	clearly the largest use of tandem computing in the history of humanity, by any measure, by a very fat margin.	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field fuzzily, is the point.	[16:24]
ascii_field	to take extant bitcoind as gold standard for anything whatsoever - is lunacy	[16:24]
ascii_field	it is only standing because no one is pushing.	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	you don't want the hard sort of thing you're thinking about. you just want an impredictable sort of tandem.	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	o, they be pushing.	[16:24]
ascii_field	pushing with strength of a child.	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin is the gold standard for everything else. that's actually what the word bitcoin means.	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	"gold standard for everything else"	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field the only reason you're not walking through walls is also, that you're pushing with the strength of a child.	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	and not even a female child at that. katrina did way better than you.	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	two week old!!1	[16:25]
ascii_field	the proverbial wall-drilling blades of grass, aha	[16:25]
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ascii_field	bitcoin is the gold standard for everything else. that's actually what the word bitcoin means << then very clearly we don't have bitcoin yet	[16:27]
ascii_field	it still must be built.	[16:28]
mircea_popescu	shut up and eat your beans.	[16:28]
jurov	"x86 sparc" ofc this was tried. cue "transmeta crusoe"	[16:31]
*	ascii_field remembers the astonishing - even for that era - hype around 'transmeta'	[16:31]
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mircea_popescu	For checking if a string is empty, null or undefined I use: return (!str \|\| 0 === str.length); For checking if a string is blank, null or undefined I use: return (!str \|\| /^s*$/.test(str)); For checking if a string is blank or contains only white-space: return (this.length === 0 \|\| !this.trim());	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	dude this javascript thing...	[16:33]
ascii_field	http://www.mcst.ru/files/523816/aa0cd8/50cb4e/000010/news_121229_2.jpg << small elbrus. also unobtainable afaik	[16:33]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Hd8T0N )	[16:33]
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jurov	sooo, russia and china put export embargo to their crown jewels.	[16:35]
ascii_field	jurov: as far as i can tell, not so much embargo as 'not enough to go around, so members-only'	[16:35]
trinque	mircea_popescu: JS... only winning move...	[16:36]
ascii_field	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqiYIidbwmY	[16:38]
assbot	Российский процессор оказался неуязвимым ЭЛЬБРУС - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hd9dgb )	[16:38]
ascii_field	^ contains some tidbits not found elsewhere	[16:38]
ascii_field	poor schmucks are almost certainly running 'systemd' from the looks of that demo screen	[16:39]
trinque	DA TOUCHSCREEN UBUNTU KOMRADE, PRIDE OF SOVIET UNION	[16:39]
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trinque	!up ascii_field	[16:40]
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mircea_popescu	fuck, i finally fixed it.	[16:42]
mircea_popescu	if (newhash.length > 0) location.hash = newhash;	[16:42]
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mircea_popescu	win.	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	i'm a javascript coder now!	[16:43]
trinque	mircea_popescu: you can just use shitty javascript truthiness for that	[16:43]
trinque	if(newhash)	[16:43]
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mircea_popescu	trinque well, took a while to figure out wtf actually needs testing in those two pages of blerg	[16:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40572 @ 0.00026388 = 10.7061 BTC [+] {2}	[16:43]
trinque	unless newhash = undefined is meaningful to it	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	nevertheless, the dumbass page jumping when click behavuoyur has been fixed	[16:44]
trinque	of course you've got null too	[16:44]
trinque	gotta have both null and undefined	[16:44]
mircea_popescu	and 0 and "" ?	[16:44]
mircea_popescu	that's what i like about "typed" languages, you know ? if (i = "" or i =="" or i === "" or i = 0 or i == 0 or i === 0 or i &= null or i ^= undefined) fuck your mother.	[16:45]
mircea_popescu	(obv null and undefined each get their own special equalities)	[16:45]
ascii_field	js is one of the great crimes of the '90s 'digerati'	[16:45]
mircea_popescu	it's just elbrus for the rest of us.	[16:46]
trinque	undefined in js means the property or varname hasn't been given a value, whereas null is a value meaning... no value	[16:46]
trinque	no need for two, it's not as though it uses that distinction for any benefit	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	trinque i imagine ti must be useful when you're trying to exploit overflows.	[16:47]
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trinque	heh, JS's whole design philosophy being "create as much attack surface as possible"	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	WEBSITE: By the Principality For the Principality Website established under Royal Command by: Inspector General, FM. Lord Steven G. P. Baikie, Earl of Tankerness KGCRO., ADC., Dip.Eng. (Electronics)., DSF., RHRL. & The Hon. Sir Phillip G. Baikie KIOM. Maintained under Royal Command by: PHR I.T. Department	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	bwahaha wtf. dipl eng (electronics) ? orly ?	[16:54]
ascii_field	wai wat	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	http://www.principality-hutt-river.org/gov/Media_Release/Index.htm	[16:55]
assbot	PHR Government - MEDIA RELEASES ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hdawvv )	[16:55]
ascii_field	l0l au version of 'sealand' ?	[16:55]
ascii_field	interestingly,	[16:56]
ascii_field	http://www.principality-hutt-river.org/gov/PHR_Govt_Notice_of_False_Misleading_&_Fraudulent_Representation.htm << this kind of thing is a major problem for 'micronation' derps. but for some reason not one has, afaik, ever contemplated pgp.	[16:56]
assbot	Principality of Hutt River Government ... ( http://bit.ly/1HdaEv5 )	[16:56]
ascii_field	which is the one and only pill against.	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	you don't understand how the world works.	[16:57]
ascii_field	it 'works' by imbeciles shouting at one another, aha	[16:57]
ascii_field	or so we are to suppose	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	it works like so : the things people do shed no light on the things people can do. not anymore, at any rate.	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	just because some twerp is in the doctor's room at the hospital doth not mean he's a doctor.	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	guy in the oval office'd be best suited to carry heavy loads. stuff like that.	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	nobody goes "you know what ? maybe this shit's really supposed to be done by someone who, unlike me, is not actually an imbecile."	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	"why do you think you're an olympic athlete ?" "~~~BECAUSE~~~ I'm a quadriplegic. If I weren't, I wouldn't give a shit about the olympics, like everyone else."	[16:59]
ascii_field	i can't imagine too many folks would be the least bit interested in discovering what they are 'best suited for'	[17:03]
trinque	ah I dunno, depends when you ask them	[17:03]
mircea_popescu	trinque how you mean ?	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field dude i must have missed some memos here. last i recall, that was pretty much the only point of interest. i blinked and now everyone seems to be running around trying to pretend like they can do things they most obviously can't.	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	it looks so badly like water poisoning you can't imagine.	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	"TLDR I ran afl-fuzz against libbitcoinconsensus to discover interesting Bitcoin scripts and used them to search for Bitcoin reimplementations vulnerable to forking. This discovered two bugs in btcd by Conformal. See the bitcoinconsensus_testcases repository for the discovered Bitcoin scripts."	[17:05]
ascii_field	wai wat	[17:05]
trinque	anyone remotely useful tends to actually enjoy the structure of being given a worthwhile task	[17:05]
mircea_popescu	contrary to what the guy claims, the bugs he found appear to be in the power rangers "consensus" library, not in conformals'.	[17:05]
trinque	even if it's just some physical, menial task	[17:05]
mircea_popescu	who was here from conformal, i forget ?	[17:05]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field which part ? trinque sure, yes. so then, depends who you ask ?	[17:06]
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ascii_field	mircea_popescu: the part about 'that was pretty much the only point of interest'	[17:06]
mats	mircea_popescu: davec i believe	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	!up davec yo. about this jonas nick fellow ?	[17:07]
-assbot-	You voiced davec for 30 minutes.	[17:07]
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pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: dhill as well iirc	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field for as long as i can remember, the entire point, of school, and of intellectual activity of young people, was to find wtf they're good for.	[17:08]
trinque	mircea_popescu: point of my statement was that if the person's put to what they're actually best suited for, their opinion if it matters at all isn't worth hearing until they've felt what it's like	[17:08]
mircea_popescu	not in your experience ?	[17:08]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: from schoolmaster's point of view - yes	[17:08]
mircea_popescu	trinque well entirely different consideration, this. i was looking at it from the subjective perspective. nevermind what the world tells you to do. why the fuck are you telling yourself to do things you're clearly no good for ? it's as if at the orchestra auditions everyone wanted to play the instruments they sucked at.	[17:09]
ascii_field	from student's point of view - to get himself credentialled/blessed for something closest to wtf he feels like doing	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	weird.	[17:09]
ascii_field	why the fuck are you telling yourself to do things you're clearly no good for ? << who wants to be biodiesel ?	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	biodiesel.	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	what, you thought it wanted to be pots and pans ?	[17:10]
trinque	on the one hand this is "what's to be done with all these walmart morons" and the other is "what's to be done with healthy humans"	[17:10]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: but, to quote the standard ru prison tattoo, 'dum spiro spero'	[17:10]
ascii_field	while the biodiesel still has arms and legs, it does not want to go to the reactor pot.	[17:10]
trinque	sure, make candles of 'em; but if we're going into long-term biodiesel production human stock's not nearly the best choice	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field i'd say "wow, check out the weird divide between eastern europe and the us", but it's not it. tons upon tons of livresque reference to this exact thing, in english too.	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	"finding one's way" and whatnot. all the way through the 90s	[17:11]
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mircea_popescu	when it suddenly went poof.	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	!up ascii_field	[17:11]
-assbot-	You voiced ascii_field for 30 minutes.	[17:11]
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trinque	best times in my career have been when some older guy said "make X, and do it precisely this way"	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	well yes	[17:11]
jurov	worst times in mine	[17:12]
trinque	jurov: why's that?	[17:12]
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jurov	maybe it was not the right older dude	[17:13]
jurov	dunno	[17:13]
trinque	of course that matters	[17:13]
trinque	in the case where the older dude has made something of himself already, he knows tasks the novice won't ever think of doing himself, novice comes away having found out he can build an X	[17:14]
trinque	I tend to think there's a lot more learned helplessness out there than actual uselessness.	[17:16]
trinque	just labor's too expensive	[17:16]
jurov	lmao. it involved building the X, literally	[17:16]
trinque	"my god... two lines.... crossed!"	[17:16]
trinque	jurov: exactly!	[17:16]
trinque	lol	[17:16]
ascii_field	thing is, 'being judged re: what one is best for' has a baked-in implication of brute slavemarket	[17:17]
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mircea_popescu	trinque this is exactly it. to use my spiffy new js quote, http://trilema.com/2014/patriarchy-is-a-thing-because-nobody-likes-living-in-a-world-populated-by-little-girls/#selection-115.29-119.225	[17:17]
assbot	Patriarchy is a thing because nobody likes living in a world populated by little girls on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ASqBPD )	[17:17]
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trinque	it didn't select the text that time, but plonked me on the paragraph	[17:19]
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mircea_popescu	jurov this does not seem what he said AT ALL.	[17:20]
trinque	mircea_popescu: exactly right though; when college didn't provide that experience for me, I left it and went to work for the entrepreneurs I knew, learned there	[17:21]
jurov	yes, the diffrence is my older dudes were asking me something they did not ever do themselves.	[17:21]
trinque	this is not to say that college cannot provide the experience, but that the shitty one I was paid to attend did not	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	jurov your "older dudes" are simply idiots. what he meant was "people who know this"	[17:22]
ascii_field	very few folks have the good fortune of a proper apprenticeship	[17:23]
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mircea_popescu	prolly the principal value of #b-a.	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	in many a young man's life, it's the first time when someone says "DO X!"	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	they usually do not, which is indicative of just how badly brought up they are.	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	i blame the whores that fucked the drunks to spawn them.	[17:24]
ascii_field	what of the masters, whose teachings consist of 'go reinstall winblows for the 111th time' ?	[17:25]
ascii_field	this is supposed to teach the value of following a master ?	[17:26]
mircea_popescu	i have no idea. are they or aren't they ?	[17:26]
mircea_popescu	if you equivocate between master and idiot, don't expect me to be able to say much	[17:26]
ascii_field	'we go to war with the army we have'	[17:26]
mircea_popescu	a vast majority of the great she-cooks i know (younger than me) started their cook life by being made to cut cabbage, and beaten for cutting it badly. and made to cut more.	[17:27]
ascii_field	cabbage (or the proverbial potato-peel-detail) are points in a progression to somewhere.	[17:28]
mircea_popescu	there is some value in the "go reinstall windows for the 11th time". the only issue is, who gives the order.	[17:28]
mircea_popescu	and no, you CAN NOT establish if X is or is not "master" by reading the orders.	[17:28]
mircea_popescu	anymore than you can establish if bits are code or data.	[17:28]
trinque	step dad once dumped out a big pile of rocks from a dump truck, handed me a shovel	[17:28]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field it's only a progression to somewhere sometimes.	[17:28]
trinque	heh, the task was to flatten them out into a driveway	[17:28]
mircea_popescu	some other times, you suck.	[17:28]
trinque	there was a backhoe nearby	[17:29]
trinque	it knocks the shithead out of you so you listen better when the task is more important	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=344&pr=0	[17:29]
assbot	JL: Boxing for MMA: Fundamentals ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2DM9g )	[17:29]
trinque	also teaches you to stop being a pussy in the face of every hard task	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	"A kid comes into a boxing gym. Your job as a coach is to discourage him so that he quits early on and does not waste your time."	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	guy gets it well enough.	[17:30]
trinque	heh there you go	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	at some point, once you discover that X isn't a proper master, nor Y nor Z, the realisation is forcibly dawned on you that perhaps you just suck.	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	the one thing redditards dedicate their lives to avoiding.	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	and yes, it IS tantamout to rape, all this.	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	their notion of rape, at any rate.	[17:31]
trinque	of course I had no idea what I was being taught until later	[17:31]
trinque	thought the guy was just having a twisted laugh watching me shovel	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	maybe he was.	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	there's not even any possible relation between the two, is the thing.	[17:32]
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trinque	between what?	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	between what he was doing and what you were doing.	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	think of it as separate machines. what the meaning of data is in X, as it passes it to Y, matters little for Y. and vice-versa.	[17:33]
trinque	hm yeah, whatever he meant of it and whatever I gained from it are distinct	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	Y will take it, in its own context, and do something with it.	[17:33]
trinque	I see your point	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	X is responsible to passing the right data, not to "passing the right data in the right internal context"	[17:33]
trinque	right, the pile of rocks could've been a papua new guinean tradition nobody had a coherent reason for	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	or actually a sadistic streak.	[17:34]
trinque	dunno that I'd count it against him if it was	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	exactly. which is the biggest problem for the touchy-feely types. absolutely HORRID people can make exceptional teachers	[17:35]
trinque	yeah nobody I've learned from was a sweetheart	[17:35]
trinque	points at a thing I don't have a word for.	[17:36]
trinque	the difference between the naive, single-step "compassion" and the longer view, which involves pain, suffering, so on, but a better outcome	[17:36]
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ascii_field	at some point, once you discover that X isn't a proper master, nor Y nor Z, the realisation is forcibly dawned on you that perhaps you just suck. << the popular version of this was, iirc, 'the bad dancer is hindered by his own arse'	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	also the fact that each of his legs is longer than the other.	[17:39]
ascii_field	aha.	[17:39]
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mircea_popescu	we got along great. i think might have been my favourite teacher.	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	the woman's sin ? she just... didn't think very much of random teenagers. this, terribru sin for the teenagers in question.	[17:45]
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decimation	Happy Feast of St. Cyril & St. Methodius!	[17:51]
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jurov	what?	[17:55]
jurov	we celebrate these two at 5th of July	[17:55]
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jurov	!up yhwh_	[18:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48100 @ 0.00026022 = 12.5166 BTC [+] {2}	[18:14]
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thestringpuller	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/35lgre/bitcoin_network_simulator_we_need_a_simulation/ << "We need something like testnet, just not testnet."	[18:20]
jurov	http://www.explo.yt/GBTC_Bitcoin_Investment_Trust_2015-05-11_23.10.09.png going strong!!!1	[18:25]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1PeLW1C )	[18:25]
jurov	37.98-94.86 hahaha	[18:25]
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*	jurov proposes opening D.GBTC to close the circle :DDD	[18:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 8050 @ 0.000206 = 1.6583 BTC [-]	[18:30]
jurov	!mpif	[18:31]
assbot	BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021367 B (Total: 467.26 B). Delta: -0.18 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000206 BTC [-]	[18:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31400 @ 0.0002502 = 7.8563 BTC [-]	[18:33]
*	assbot gives voice to BingoBoingo	[18:35]
davout	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128371 <<< maximum kek	[18:40]
assbot	Logged on 11-05-2015 20:05:16; ascii_field: why the fuck are you telling yourself to do things you're clearly no good for ? << who wants to be biodiesel ?	[18:40]
BingoBoingo	http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2342&pr=0	[18:42]
assbot	JL: The Return of Men? ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeOwoo )	[18:42]
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cazalla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128425 <<< american version of a traumatic childhood?	[18:48]
assbot	Logged on 11-05-2015 20:24:22; trinque: step dad once dumped out a big pile of rocks from a dump truck, handed me a shovel	[18:48]
trinque	what, doing work?	[18:48]
trinque	I should probably go get some pills for that	[18:49]
cazalla	and see a therapist :P	[18:49]
trinque	http://www.tnellen.com/westside/harrison.pdf	[18:51]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1PePAbP )	[18:51]
davout	jurov: wrt that GBTC thing, it says "each represents ownership of approximately 0.1 BTC", wtf approximately?	[18:52]
jurov	i did not feel like examining exact details of that braindamage	[18:52]
cazalla	anyway, having your step son shovel rocks sounds like a good way for the guy to bang your mum without you interrupting	[18:53]
trinque	damn! that makes it clear	[18:54]
trinque	lol	[18:54]
davout	thestringpuller: "We need something like testnet, just not testnet." <<< the thing is that testnet doesn't even behave like actual bitcoin, because magic rules, because reasons	[18:54]
jurov	pity we don't have TaT around anymore. he could have pitched altcoin to them	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	* jurov proposes opening D.GBTC to close the circle :DDD << i would, if i didn't know in advance that the entire charade is entirely outside of any sort of economical considerations.	[18:56]
jurov	;;seen thickasthieves	[18:57]
gribble	thickasthieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 27 weeks, 0 days, 6 hours, 36 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: but you da boss	[18:57]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo fwiw i think he's smoking corn cobbs. srsly, if some woman needs me to walk everywhere with her i dun want anything to do with her. learn to kungfu.	[18:58]
BingoBoingo	Sounds reasonabru	[18:58]
mircea_popescu	davout has it. testnet is about as useful to testing bitcoin as it is to testing litecoin.	[18:59]
jurov	http://atc.blockr.io/ lol still lives!	[18:59]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Ey3j2c )	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	o wow ?	[19:00]
davout	also i finally understand why the power rangers think checkpoints are a good idea	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	11 blocks in 30 days ?	[19:00]
davout	"because otherwise one would notice that the synchronization protocol is absolutely and completely broken"	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	davout among other things, yes.	[19:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00025764 = 7.9353 BTC [+] {2}	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	they have a solid tradition of covering old shit that;s starting to stink with freshly laid shit.	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	monkeys.	[19:01]
davout	it would be pretty lulzy to actually fix it in 0.5.3.1 and then "backport" it to 0.11	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	odds of that are low, seeing how a) they're too stupid-proud to do it and b) we got better shit to do than maintain dead forks.	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	taking shit from b-a log and pretending like your "expert" economists finally figured it out a month later is one thing. taking code and backporting it is harder to deny.	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_meaa8uqOfN1qeyx9go1_1280.jpg	[19:06]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Ey4AWV )	[19:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45268 @ 0.00024372 = 11.0327 BTC [-] {4}	[19:17]
*	assbot gives voice to jurov	[19:31]
williamdunne	mircea_popescu: Mm soft-launch of the one that I shall be re-launching soonish ^tm >>> i was thinking hm, williamdunne ran an exchange	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	if you're serious about this, go to a country that's not part of the usg, run a proper exchange. no kyc/bs.	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	prolly end up richer than me. or dead, whichever comes first.	[19:54]
williamdunne	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1127940 << as in, customer can opt to have no communication with exchange outside of pgp ? <<< All email communications were encrypted, and they could communicate with me directly in an encrypted manner. No order entry tho	[19:54]
assbot	Logged on 11-05-2015 16:26:55; williamdunne: We were doing it and will continue to do it when we relaunch	[19:55]
williamdunne	19:22:10 - davout: williamdunne: you scared me with that SSL shit << it was stupidity at its finest, pretty sure they only implemented GPG for another buzzword	[19:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70383 @ 0.00024066 = 16.9384 BTC [-]	[19:55]
williamdunne	Sorry was just going over the logs didn't see your message	[19:56]
williamdunne	23:50:20 - mircea_popescu: if you're serious about this, go to a country that's not part of the usg, run a proper exchange. no kyc/bs.	[19:56]
williamdunne	23:50:31 - mircea_popescu: prolly end up richer than me. or dead, whichever comes first. <<< we're doing the KYC bs on the first exchange	[19:56]
williamdunne	Then there will be a separate exchange in the future without the BS	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[19:56]
williamdunne	mabbeh	[19:57]
williamdunne	You'll be able to trade and do bitcoin transactions without KYC though, just no fiat	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	http://38.media.tumblr.com/2493d3bccce515da983cd8e6ab5e0925/tumblr_mznsdvwQCC1r2sy0fo1_500.gif << and she's going to be a princess.	[19:57]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1J7b1H1 )	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	one day.	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	maybe.	[19:57]
williamdunne	She's her daddy's princess	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	quite. and exactly the same with kyc. if you implement the us rules, you're stuck working for the us. it probably doesn't want you to be doing this, and consequently, you are only allowed to "do it" if you don't actually do it, and for as long as you bring money from home.	[19:59]
ben_vulpes	You'll be able to trade and do bitcoin transactions without KYC though, just no fiat << mhhhhhm.	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	otherwise, lawsky has his own guy that bribed him to do it, and whoever else has whoever else, and none of those schmucks is you.	[19:59]
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williamdunne	It won't be me doing it	[20:00]
williamdunne	Directly anyway	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	nothing changes. let's work an example to get what we mean.	[20:01]
mircea_popescu	so, you wish to grow tomatoes. you can either grow tomatoes on land owned by old man KYC, who offers the following deal : "you may [pretend like] you're growing tomatoes here, provided you suck my cock for longer than you derp in the garden, and if any tomatoes grow up you owe me twice as many tomatoes on top of those tomatoes", or you could grow them on unrelated land. which may or may not be able to grow tomatoes in	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	the first place, and may or may not be inhabited by poisonous alien flying earthworms.	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	nevertheless, ~IF~ you do get some tomatoes to grow, they are yours.	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	now... to answer this you're telling me that you wouldn't be doing the planting directly ? what difference does it make.	[20:03]
ben_vulpes	no, the sucking	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	that's not optional.	[20:03]
ben_vulpes	b-b-but that's the compliant guy's job!	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	right.	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	because that's totally how the mob works, "hey, i don't owe you money, that was my other personality / sister / neighbour"	[20:04]
ben_vulpes	"noice likkle exchange ew've got there"	[20:05]
ben_vulpes	"shame if anything were to..."	[20:05]
ben_vulpes	"...happen to it."	[20:06]
*	ben_vulpes topples a rack of servers	[20:06]
ben_vulpes	"oh goodness. wot a tragedy."	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes if only that guy with the younger queen of spades gf had had the sense to do this, you know ? "hey, i just own the team. go fire my racism guy if you don';t like my being racist"	[20:07]
ben_vulpes	i don't know that story	[20:08]
trinque	old dude owned a basketball team and said something not even that racist	[20:09]
trinque	about his rented gf not being photographed with black men, but she could fuck 'em	[20:09]
trinque	Donald Sterling	[20:09]
cazalla	and with the imminent aussie budget due, muh country slide further down the drain.. "A new tax on bank deposits to build a fund that could be used in the event of a banking collapse. In a handy little boost, the money would also sit on the budget balance sheet. "	[20:11]
williamdunne	Negative interest rates'll be next	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	cazalla lmao	[20:12]
ben_vulpes	http://emacs-users.shithouse.tv/	[20:12]
assbot	emacs-users ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCYhWt )	[20:12]
ben_vulpes	http://vim-users.shithouse.tv/	[20:13]
assbot	vim-users ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCYj0A )	[20:13]
ben_vulpes	http://real-vim-users.shithouse.tv/	[20:13]
assbot	real-vim-users ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCYl8N )	[20:13]
ben_vulpes	http://real-emacs-users.shithouse.tv/	[20:13]
assbot	real-emacs-users ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCYjO8 )	[20:13]
trinque	oh no, the shitposting... it's leaking!	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	...	[20:13]
ben_vulpes	http://real-unix-users.shithouse.tv/	[20:14]
assbot	real-unix-users ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCYwks )	[20:14]
ben_vulpes	wait cazalla this is a cypressalike?	[20:20]
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cazalla	ben_vulpes, no specific details yet afaik, but this country is fucked regardless	[20:22]
cazalla	reports from earlier in the year suggest 0.05% on deposits up to $250,00 AUD	[20:25]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37558 @ 0.00024066 = 9.0387 BTC [-]	[20:33]
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decimation	jurov: re: st. cyril & methoius < apparently it depends on whether you use the julian calendar	[20:35]
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decimation	and apparently in slovakia & czech republic it is 5 july, because pope pius ix said so	[20:37]
decimation	http://www.pitt.edu/~votruba/qsonhist/cyrilmethodiusholidayhistory.html	[20:38]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1zWqfwM )	[20:38]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56597 @ 0.00024066 = 13.6206 BTC [-]	[20:53]
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asciilifeform	http://real-emacs-users.shithouse.tv << aha.	[21:00]
assbot	real-emacs-users ... ( http://bit.ly/1zWsdNu )	[21:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 14000 @ 0.000207 = 2.898 BTC [+]	[21:01]
trinque	https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/e1/78/20/e17820c0bf8a3fb9cf56dbe83abf6a55.jpg << I found another.	[21:01]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1zWsi3N )	[21:01]
trinque	as you can see, the suit's perfectly conformed to his unique form	[21:01]
trinque	eh dunno if that's tape	[21:02]
asciilifeform	trinque: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=836 << my ancient attempt	[21:02]
assbot	Loper OS » Programmer’s Editors, Illustrated. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zWsobK )	[21:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 10510 @ 0.000207 = 2.1756 BTC [+]	[21:04]
trinque	heh	[21:04]
*	trinque checks the climacs page for activity	[21:04]
trinque	2008	[21:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54750 @ 0.00024215 = 13.2577 BTC [+] {2}	[21:09]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128547 << to complete the painting, you build a telescope - out of sight of the demented old bastard - and see thermonuked wasteland around, no tomato in sight. then you build a spark gap radio and discover that on other side of planet, there are a few quasi-functioning tomato gardens. perhaps one or two per continent.	[21:10]
assbot	Logged on 11-05-2015 22:58:48; mircea_popescu: nevertheless, ~IF~ you do get some tomatoes to grow, they are yours.	[21:10]
asciilifeform	then you sit and go, 'hm, wtf, how'	[21:11]
mircea_popescu	fly, piggy, fly!	[21:11]
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*	asciilifeform pictures pig with fat messerschmitt engine	[21:11]
decimation	asciilifeform: or you discover that there are no tomatoes anywhere outside the garden	[21:11]
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asciilifeform	speaking of, i finally saw a me262 recently	[21:12]
decimation	asciilifeform: did you see the wwii aircraft fly over the mall?	[21:12]
asciilifeform	nope	[21:12]
decimation	where was the me262? dulles airport museum?	[21:12]
asciilifeform	this one was in the museum, but somehow i never noticed it	[21:12]
asciilifeform	the other one	[21:12]
decimation	the udvar-hazy museum?	[21:12]
asciilifeform	the other other one	[21:13]
asciilifeform	'national air & space'	[21:13]
asciilifeform	hadn't been there since was a schoolboy, and went again	[21:13]
decimation	oh the one downtown?	[21:13]
asciilifeform	aha	[21:13]
decimation	yeah they update stuff every once in awhile	[21:13]
decimation	actually I think the best aircraft museum in the us is the air force museum in dayton, oh	[21:14]
asciilifeform	hilariously, the bouncer at first threw me out - on account of my very small pocket knife. had to go and bury it.	[21:14]
decimation	yeah that's what I did too	[21:14]
asciilifeform	l0l!	[21:14]
decimation	I bet if you went down to the grounds with a metal detector you could find 1000 knives	[21:14]
asciilifeform	hide in metallic object always	[21:15]
trinque	they tell you specifically to bury it? like a cat turd?	[21:15]
asciilifeform	no one 'told'	[21:15]
asciilifeform	bouncer just kicked out	[21:15]
trinque	ah	[21:15]
decimation	nah they have bushes outside	[21:15]
asciilifeform	there's a whole park outside	[21:15]
asciilifeform	plenty of room	[21:15]
asciilifeform	other funny bit re: museum - they had a 'drones' exhibit, with all the major well-known types	[21:16]
decimation	the museum at dulles has the b-29 that dropped the bomb on Nagasaki	[21:16]
asciilifeform	decimation: i recall when the guy was on tour	[21:16]
asciilifeform	heard part of his talk	[21:16]
decimation	once I was trapped on the mall during a summer thunderstorm	[21:17]
decimation	weirdly there aren't any decent restrants/cafes within a short walk	[21:17]
asciilifeform	so in the 'drones' hall, they had an 'rq-3a' ( http://airandspace.si.edu/collections/artifact.cfm?object=nasm_A20070230000 ) and its arse and mouth were glued shut	[21:17]
assbot	Lockheed Martin/Boeing RQ-3A DarkStar \| National Air and Space Museum ... ( http://bit.ly/1zWtWT8 )	[21:18]
asciilifeform	'because s33kr1t!!111!111'	[21:18]
decimation	I found the best place to shelter was the indian museum - they have a great cafe that serves 'authentic' indian food. I had chips & salsa and a beer.	[21:18]
decimation	asciilifeform: as I recall they now have a joint strike fighter at dulles - with the vertical takeoff variant	[21:19]
decimation	plus, all 50000 tourists want to huddle in the air & space museum, nobody gives a shit about indians	[21:20]
asciilifeform	that one was extremely depressing	[21:20]
asciilifeform	i went once. nearly 100% recognizably-europeanized artifacts	[21:20]
asciilifeform	'shit they pawned off on the indians' museum.	[21:21]
decimation	yeah but the chips & salsa were good	[21:21]
decimation	If you want depressing, go to a real indian reservation out west somewhere	[21:22]
decimation	most of them are drunk, live in depressing hovels	[21:22]
asciilifeform	i think i kinda live in something like this already	[21:22]
decimation	heh	[21:22]
asciilifeform	not sure what i need more of it for.	[21:22]
ben_vulpes	http://evergreenmuseum.org/ http://www.tillamookair.com/aircraft/ << reasons to visit, asciilifeform	[21:23]
assbot	Evergreen Aviation & Space Museum \| Wings & Waves Waterpark \| McMinnville Oregon ... ( http://bit.ly/1zWuwQL )	[21:23]
assbot	Aircraft — Tillamook Air Museum ... ( http://bit.ly/1zWuyIn )	[21:23]
ben_vulpes	the former has lotsa rokkits!	[21:23]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: neato	[21:23]
decimation	I went to the boeing museum in seattle once, it was pretty neat too. you could walk through nixon's air force one	[21:23]
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asciilifeform	'The kit includes all components necessary for construction of the aircraft body up to the firewall, pre-cut and pre-bent.' (http://www.tillamookair.com/chris-teena-mini-coupe)	[21:24]
ben_vulpes	redstones and h1s and j2s oh my!	[21:24]
asciilifeform	^ these get nowhere near enough museum space. the 'boring' car-like airplanes that 'everyone will have' in the future-of-the-past.	[21:24]
asciilifeform	also depressing though	[21:24]
decimation	asciilifeform: a museum that contains nothing but false promises?	[21:25]
asciilifeform	at one point, airplanes were supposed to 'happen' sorta like personal computer was going to	[21:25]
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asciilifeform	except the buggers (for various reasons, not all 'evil') - won.	[21:25]
decimation	actually I think aircraft could become much more 'personal', but usg has sat upon them	[21:25]
asciilifeform	so aviation looks quite like what personal computing will look like in a decade or two.	[21:25]
decimation	yeah, depressing thought	[21:26]
ben_vulpes	"either build it by hand or lease time on someone else's system"?	[21:26]
asciilifeform	'do strictly prescribed things except if you're rich and willing to fill out paperwork for every hour you want to do whatever'	[21:26]
decimation	usg event wants to sit upon hobbyists who fly r/c aircraft	[21:26]
decimation	suddenly flying r/c aircraft went from pleasant hobby to malevolent drone warfare upon the people	[21:27]
asciilifeform	i fully expect that being so much as found with a model propeller will be grounds for '25 to life' after the first quadcopter explodes somewhere interesting	[21:27]
ben_vulpes	subject of	[21:28]
ben_vulpes	let's smuggle things into argentina with roboblimps	[21:28]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes missed the thread where we 'did' this one ?	[21:28]
ben_vulpes	ars specifically?	[21:28]
ben_vulpes	i recall the one where you lamented nobody doing transoceanic trips with dirigibles	[21:29]
mod6	Todays update of v0.5.3.1+Orphanage_Thermonuke: http://dpaste.com/2V038DK.txt [ Full Sync Achieved ]	[21:30]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1zWv8G8 )	[21:30]
mod6	And it never died.	[21:30]
ben_vulpes	noiiiice.	[21:30]
ben_vulpes	wd asciilifeform, mod6	[21:31]
mod6	great work asciilifeform!	[21:31]
asciilifeform	wai wat	[21:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39873 @ 0.00023978 = 9.5607 BTC [-]	[21:31]
*	ben_vulpes has forgotten if 0.5.3.1 did away with checkpoints	[21:31]
mod6	it did not	[21:31]
mod6	check points are included.	[21:31]
ben_vulpes	dat poorly factored sync process.	[21:32]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: found it. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2015#1075949 << that one	[21:33]
assbot	Logged on 28-03-2015 02:23:30; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: pigeons: let's scratch the arithmetic itch. approx. 8400 km from me to b-a. a LiMnO2 (non-rechargeable) battery yields approx. 400 Wh/kg.	[21:33]
asciilifeform	mod6: i assume you read my 'valgrind' outputs ?	[21:34]
mod6	I did look through them.	[21:35]
asciilifeform	thing appears to run in approximately constant memory footprint, but far too large for 'pogo' etc. and very suggestive of fragging	[21:35]
mod6	yeah, i can say, that it looks like (from my testing) that it did use pretty much almost all of the RAM available to my environment.	[21:35]
mod6	however, it did not die. which is a first for me.	[21:36]
asciilifeform	mod6: did you distinguish diskcache-ram from actual process footprint ?	[21:36]
asciilifeform	because the former is unbounded, but will never oomkill the process	[21:36]
asciilifeform	see http://www.linuxatemyram.com	[21:36]
assbot	Help! Linux ate my RAM! ... ( http://bit.ly/1zWvHj0 )	[21:36]
mod6	well, a lot of it was cached, yes. as opposed to "free" or "buffered"	[21:37]
asciilifeform	http://static1.squarespace.com/static/538c9b1ae4b029b17b1cc5b3/54bbfa3ae4b06f2c55f459b9/54bbfa3be4b06f2c55f459bb/1421605435527/Camel+A-7.jpg?format=750w << l0l	[21:38]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1zWvNY2 )	[21:38]
mod6	-/+ buffers/cache: 673144 3255776	[21:38]
asciilifeform	^ from ben_vulpes's airplanes link	[21:38]
mod6	(from my dpaste)	[21:38]
mod6	so i guess I'm wrong then, if that 3255776 bytes is actually available	[21:39]
danielpbarron	collateral damage or target practice?	[21:40]
ben_vulpes	"the prinary concerns of the Air Force as of 1010 are the establishment of a radar network for control of the country's airspace..." << hyuu	[21:41]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: as in original thread, i will point out that dirigibles (aside from being blown off-course more often than not, and being stuck doing idiotic things like venting lift gas) have gigantic radar cross-sections	[21:41]
mod6	but anyway, yeah if it's still too large for the pogo, i guess that doesn't help us exactly.	[21:41]
asciilifeform	(not to mention visual)	[21:41]
asciilifeform	mod6: the obvious steps are 1) determine if still leaks (tentatively, i will say that it does not) and 2) determine wtf is eating the ram	[21:42]
asciilifeform	because no way in hell does that thing actually -need- 200+M	[21:42]
asciilifeform	to do its thing	[21:42]
ben_vulpes	stop killing my dweeeeams	[21:43]
mod6	asciilifeform: yeah, makes sense.	[21:43]
ben_vulpes	(i'm not ignorant of the radar issue, for the record. i just so happen to think the ars response would be "nothing could really be that big" and other interesting things."	[21:44]
ben_vulpes	s/"/)	[21:44]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: depends on whether this is the first airship or the 1111st.	[21:44]
asciilifeform	(flight, rather)	[21:44]
ben_vulpes	and if 1111st, why bother with the investigation?	[21:45]
asciilifeform	eventually, even idiots - learn.	[21:45]
ben_vulpes	warhead/cicada dynamics.	[21:45]
asciilifeform	consider autonomous submarines (torpedo-sized) alternatively. far easier to hide in the ocean, esp. if you're small, electric, and in no hurry whatsoever - than in the air.	[21:46]
asciilifeform	(can eject payload on quadchopper once reach enemy shore, yes)	[21:46]
asciilifeform	submarine has the virtue of not falling down and exploding if it runs out of juice	[21:46]
asciilifeform	can 'energy harvest' (see, e.g., esp8266 threads) etc.	[21:46]
mod6	alright, so I'm gonna wrap up this gentoo stage3 guide, and then I'll dig in and see if I can find what's going on in there.	[21:48]
*	ben_vulpes ponders submarines	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1128664 << it's a fucking stupid idea.	[21:50]
assbot	Logged on 12-05-2015 00:20:24; asciilifeform: also depressing though	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	the LAST thing i want is all the idiots buzzing around IN PLANES.	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1128674 << not suddenly. once the usg got involved. it has the shidas touch.	[21:51]
assbot	Logged on 12-05-2015 00:22:47; decimation: suddenly flying r/c aircraft went from pleasant hobby to malevolent drone warfare upon the people	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	there's a reason drug cartels use subs not blimps	[21:54]
ben_vulpes	i have a romantic attachment to the atomic dirigible!	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	in other news, "We always used condoms before, and we both agreed he's only going to fuck my ass now that we're married. We both love the symbolism — I'll be shitting out his weak sperm while superior black men's seed will soak into my womb as nature intended."	[21:55]
ben_vulpes	with babes and children swinging from the guy wires!	[21:55]
*	ben_vulpes flinches	[21:55]
trinque	"will soak into my womb" lol	[21:58]
trinque	gut-o-meter says a dude wrote that	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	seems pretty els.	[22:00]
ben_vulpes	extra letter syndrome?	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	english as a language secundary.	[22:02]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50621 @ 0.00024273 = 12.2872 BTC [+] {2}	[22:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15382 @ 0.00024576 = 3.7803 BTC [+]	[22:22]
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danielpbarron	http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/supplement-company-under-fire-for-body-shaming-guess-why/	[22:23]
assbot	Supplement Company Under Fire For "Body Shaming." ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fa7Hck )	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	!up Kalki	[22:23]
-assbot-	You voiced Kalki for 30 minutes.	[22:23]
*	assbot gives voice to Kalki	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	"under fire" ? what exactly does that mean ?	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	"a bunch of fat slobs with too much time on their hands and a govt-subsidized internet connection are mashing keyboards" ?	[22:23]
Kalki	Hi, and thanks...	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	ello. who're you ?	[22:24]
Kalki	just an explorer who stumbled onto Trilema	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	ah i c.	[22:25]
Kalki	really enjoying the writing!	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	anything in particular ?	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	in other news : http://40.media.tumblr.com/e2ee7e04c2577655bc8aa69b393caf58/tumblr_mesvhfBhNW1rpfeuyo1_1280.jpg where have all the female bellies went ?	[22:26]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Fa8071 )	[22:26]
danielpbarron	apparently the fire backfired and scored the company more sales	[22:26]
Kalki	nah I just love words	[22:26]
*	mircea_popescu is not that crazy about the workout flats.	[22:26]
Kalki	still acclimating....	[22:27]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron what was that company that was "under fire" for something or other to do with gay marriage, ended up with booming sales ?	[22:27]
trinque	was it chick fil a?	[22:28]
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danielpbarron	probably them ya	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	ah yeah	[22:28]
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trinque	who gives a shit what a chicken sandwich company says about anything other than the sandwiches?	[22:28]
danielpbarron	it happened to me too. s'why I purged all social media of any reference to having a job	[22:29]
trinque	danielpbarron: said something about teh gays your job didn't like?	[22:29]
danielpbarron	something mean about the senator that got shot in the face	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	a senator got shot in the face ?	[22:30]
trinque	that chick	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	you mean, with a gun ? i mean... rifle ?	[22:30]
danielpbarron	gabby giffords	[22:30]
trinque	from one of the shitty desert states	[22:30]
trinque	yep	[22:30]
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danielpbarron	yes with a gun; she's now got brain damage	[22:30]
trinque	danielpbarron: what'd you say?	[22:31]
danielpbarron	called her a retard	[22:31]
trinque	ono	[22:31]
danielpbarron	tweet still exists. one sec	[22:31]
trinque	come on, could've done better than retard	[22:31]
trinque	"democrats only use half a brain anyway"	[22:31]
mircea_popescu	poor woman	[22:31]
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danielpbarron	https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/statuses/296646794639704065	[22:32]
assbot	Daniel P. Barron on Twitter: "It's foolish to put any trust in the decision making skills of a mentally retarded former congressman (@GabbyGiffords) regarding our rights." ... ( http://bit.ly/1F3lLTD )	[22:32]
danielpbarron	they were parading her around as an example of why guns need to go away at the time	[22:32]
trinque	the guy was some cracked weirdo with no coherent reason for attacking here	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	why not as an example of why you shouldn't go around without one ?	[22:34]
trinque	*her	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	either seem about as vaguely related.	[22:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44100 @ 0.00024576 = 10.838 BTC [+]	[22:35]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1128736 << -everybody- says this, but same argument could apply to usg-izing just about anything	[22:46]
assbot	Logged on 12-05-2015 00:46:36; mircea_popescu: the LAST thing i want is all the idiots buzzing around IN PLANES.	[22:46]
asciilifeform	(e.g., bitcoin)	[22:46]
trinque	maybe you solve that by letting people crash	[22:47]
asciilifeform	precisely	[22:48]
trinque	eventually everyone who couldn't handle it.. gone	[22:48]
asciilifeform	i would happily learn to fly 1920s machines with the proviso that 1920 rules would apply.	[22:48]
asciilifeform	all of them.	[22:48]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66246 @ 0.00024641 = 16.3237 BTC [+] {2}	[22:48]
asciilifeform	(with, e.g., no more than the 1920s paperwork, or req'd maintenance, inspection crapolade, etc.)	[22:48]
trinque	sames goes for considerations around the legality of guns	[22:49]
trinque	anywhere everyone's constantly strapped is a place I don't want to be	[22:49]
trinque	seeing them all strapped would be a great indicator I'm in one of those undesirable places	[22:49]
asciilifeform	trinque: notice how usg succeeded in nationalizing, de-facto, all of airspace in usa	[22:50]
trinque	can't have people experimenting with... anything	[22:50]
asciilifeform	there is also a component of keeping the airlines in business, plus keeping a lid on unsanctioned 'interstate commerce' etc	[22:51]
asciilifeform	it seems almost laughably obvious that usg ought to hate and fear cheap private aviation	[22:51]
asciilifeform	(can't exactly stop a 'bleriot' at a red light and search for unsanctioned suitcase of benjies !)	[22:52]
danielpbarron	places where everyone is strapped are some of the safest places	[22:53]
*	assbot removes voice from Kalki	[22:53]
asciilifeform	danielpbarron: cemetary - safer still	[22:54]
trinque	danielpbarron: depends where	[22:54]
trinque	chiraq?	[22:54]
danielpbarron	best example i can think of is porcfest. something like a third of the camp goers were open carrying the whole time. I didn't hear of a single instance of theft or fighting (with the exception of the guy who got too high on shrooms and fell through someone's tent by accident)	[22:55]
asciilifeform	possibly not clear what is 'strapped' ?	[22:56]
asciilifeform	i assumed it meant 'belted to a chair'	[22:56]
trinque	heh!	[22:56]
danielpbarron	pistols mostly, but also ak's and whatnot	[22:56]
asciilifeform	the 'safest' place, short of cemetary, is probably a psych ward	[22:57]
asciilifeform	i don't grasp the preoccupation with 'safety.'	[22:57]
trinque	danielpbarron: I think that group might self-select for people who have some measure of respect for their weapons	[22:57]
trinque	asciilifeform: I don't either; when it comes up I tend to say "yes, and turns out you still die at the end"	[22:58]
asciilifeform	as mircea_popescu observed, 'everybody gets a death, adequate to his needs, guaranteed.' and i'd rather have mine in a 'bleriot' or holding ak, than from cancer of the tonsils	[22:59]
*	asciilifeform suffers from acute dietary deficit of 'micromorts'	[23:00]
asciilifeform	perhaps - it shows.	[23:00]
trinque	heh do some rugs	[23:00]
trinque	*drugs	[23:00]
*	trinque prescribes risky lifestyle	[23:00]
asciilifeform	that's entirely the wrong type of 'micromort'	[23:00]
trinque	but seriously, I'll take the death of a spaceman	[23:00]
asciilifeform	more like getting to the tonsil cancers faster	[23:01]
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trinque	asciilifeform: this is my hypothesis on various "risky" lifestyles like bdsm, drug taking, rock climbing, whatever	[23:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67990 @ 0.00024119 = 16.3985 BTC [-] {2}	[23:03]
asciilifeform	bdsm is 'risky' ?	[23:03]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu ^ ?	[23:03]
trinque	that humans need and seek a certain amount of risk to maintain mental health	[23:03]
asciilifeform	this is not a complete picture	[23:03]
trinque	maybe not, fill it in?	[23:03]
asciilifeform	for instance, i get a fairly good shot at violent death while commuting, but it doesn't do anything positive mentally	[23:04]
asciilifeform	perhaps because it doesn't give the flavour of confronting nature, or fellow man	[23:04]
asciilifeform	or possibly because it is associated with drudgery	[23:04]
trinque	yeah, there is probably something much more specific than "risk" to be said	[23:04]
mod6	alright, i've got a first-draft of the gentoo stage3 AMI guide put up for review. Feel free to test this out if anyone wants. I'm having some local guys try this out for me as well. Will report any updates back here.	[23:05]
asciilifeform	ianas! (... not a shrink)	[23:05]
mod6	http://thebitcoin.foundation/build-stage3-notes.txt	[23:05]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1dYr2mB )	[23:05]
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danielpbarron	but it doesn't do anything positive mentally << you're not driving fast enough	[23:05]
trinque	mod6: abridged handbook, very nice!	[23:05]
trinque	danielpbarron: hear hear!	[23:05]
danielpbarron	the highway is less boring if you're the fastest one on it	[23:06]
trinque	"did something risky today which required skill to perform, survived it" << seems a great candidate for a built-in positive feeling	[23:07]
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mod6	this is a ``living-guide'' for the time being as this is pretty much ``phase-1'' of this process; ``phase-2'' will entail getting a tool-chain in place that satisfies requirements.	[23:08]
*	trinque notes deedbot happily accepts manifests for builds of various useful tools :D	[23:09]
trinque	mod6: I crapped together a bash script that does much of what's here, not fit for general consumption yet	[23:10]
trinque	snagged particularly on a non-braindead way of producing an AMI from it (prior efforts involved using another running ec2 instance)	[23:11]
trinque	I got as far as having a "bundle" uploaded to s3, where trying to "register" that barfs incomprehensibly	[23:12]
mod6	ah, ok. well, if you get it in shape, let me know. i do think a lot of this could be automated.	[23:15]
mod6	I'll eventually publish a final form of this to the btc-dev mailing list once I have these guys execute it manually & verify that it works for them.	[23:15]
trinque	work's ongoing, I need the tool	[23:16]
trinque	barfs this currently -> A client error (InvalidManifest) occurred when calling the RegisterImage operation: HTTP 403 (Forbidden) response for URL	[23:18]
trinque	which... fuck you AWS, that IAM does have permission to diddle the bucket	[23:18]
asciilifeform	with respect to mod6's blood, sweat, tears - gentoo on aws seems quite like the proverbial 'lipstick on the pig' imho	[23:20]
trinque	asciilifeform: at least in this case what I really have is a gentoo builder that could as easily build a disk image for a box in front of me	[23:21]
trinque	the aws part just munches the disk image	[23:22]
mod6	asciilifeform: yeah. i agree. maybe when I have a better idea of what's actually going on, i'll have a bare rails guide or something similar.	[23:22]
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mod6	gotta get phase-2 sorted, then will create non-aws guide.	[23:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24424 @ 0.00024761 = 6.0476 BTC [+]	[23:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96400 @ 0.00024869 = 23.9737 BTC [+]	[23:58]

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