Forum logs for 10 May 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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decimation asciilifeform: why would they arrest over subway ticket? pay fine and move on? Must be complicated with the 'domestic' [00:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 554 @ 0.00233 = 1.2908 BTC [+] [00:28]
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decimation < the positive void coefficient design was a bad move, and another was the fact that the containment was essentially a wooden shed [00:43]
assbot Logged on 05-05-2015 14:54:53; mircea_popescu: and this is how chernobyl happened. [00:43]
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decimation < baltimore burns, and 40 miles away usg implements plans to instruct hobbyist r/c aircraft pilots [00:57]
assbot Press Release – FAA’s B4UFLY App Will Help UAS Pilots Operate Safely and Legally ... ( ) [00:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101239 @ 0.00025699 = 26.0174 BTC [+] {2} [01:03]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the fuck does this mean, stealing his gurl's ticket [01:27]
mircea_popescu decimation nah, it was concrete [01:27]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform "Gerrit workflow - Gerrit interprets each Git commit as an individual change. Changes are autobuilt by Jenkins, and can be reviewed by developers. Once a change has gotten a positive review and has no build issues, it is applied to the master branch. Thus, no developer directly pushes to master." [01:37]
mircea_popescu because it's retarded. [01:37]
mircea_popescu go to all that trouble to introduce git hooks to sign, eschew pgp. i wouldn't use them to put a fire out. [01:39]
mircea_popescu in other news, [01:44]
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ben_vulpes meh, i bet her return's sloppy [02:05]
mircea_popescu fine, have a replacement free of charge. [02:06]
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ben_vulpes dude html is the worst [02:07]
ben_vulpes p and and and ul and div and everything are just so floppy all of the time and used in such wildly divergent ways [02:08]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the fuck does this mean << what it looked like: she was leaving town, he tried to get in the way [02:55]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: Gerrit workflow - Gerrit interprets each Git commit ... << wtf why even [02:56]
asciilifeform how mircea_popescu even came to see this cthonian horror. [02:56]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform from their "download" page. click download [04:14]
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mircea_popescu lmao [05:12]
assbot Mircea Popescu on Wikipedia : Bitcoin ... ( ) [05:12]
mircea_popescu ;;seen chillum [05:13]
gribble chillum was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 1 day, 16 hours, 15 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: I have never understood how a 1 paragraph post that links to a full article somehow makes it to the top of google searches. They are adding basically nothing [05:13]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell chillum hey, you gonna ban that dude now ? [05:14]
gribble The operation succeeded. [05:14]
mircea_popescu oh, even more good shit. [05:23]
assbot MPEx owner getting letters from US gov, in danger of being extradited to US to stand trial : Bitcoin ... ( ) [05:23]
mircea_popescu who knew reddit actually becomes funny after a year or so. [05:24]
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mircea_popescu << ftr, "smart contracts" are actually infinitely stupid. [05:44]
assbot In what world are "smart contracts" actually a good idea? : Buttcoin ... ( ) [05:44]
mircea_popescu we don't usually discuss it because it's so amply obvious, but just in case. [05:44]
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ben_vulpes IT BEGINS [15:14]
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mircea_popescu you have a fox kennel ? [15:16]
jurov yea, ben_vulpes lives there [15:16]
mircea_popescu lol [15:17]
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mike_c good afternoon ben. [15:20]
mircea_popescu what bengins! [15:20]
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davout <<< i see [15:27]
assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 17:00:47; asciilifeform: << it won't work, because no one has, yet, a fully static build. see logs. [15:27]
ben_vulpes hyu [15:30]
davout from what i grasped, the issue is that glibc is pulling some random bits in, dynamically [15:30]
ben_vulpes i'm beigneting [15:30]
davout and i was confused because i didn't remember that danielpbarron's pogo runs a debian thing, hence able to run bitcoind [15:31]
mircea_popescu davec originally thought it was libnss meanwhile found a "retarded languages should be supported too" thing [15:31]
jurov ben_vulpes are you alright? [15:32]
danielpbarron davout, Arch. i couldn't get it to run on debian [15:32]
davout he's beigneting, he would be! [15:32]
mircea_popescu << the incredible smarm of us coppers. [15:33]
assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 00:00:19; pete_dushenski: Fast fwd to yesterday. I wasn't home yet from work, but my wife tells me local LE showed up and wanted to have a "chat". Asked if I or anone had ever ordered anything illicit in the mail. Said "nobody's in trouble, we're just following up on something that might be nothing"." [15:33]
mircea_popescu "nobody's in trouble" ? what are you, the kindergarten supervisor ? [15:33]
davout jurov: [15:33]
assbot beignet - Recherche Google ... ( ) [15:33]
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jurov don't feed the animals! [15:33]
mircea_popescu << ruby hipster that despises apple ?! what's this world shattered into! [15:34]
assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 10:11:00; davout: oh and ben_vulpes, by 'real computer' I mean any non-Apple machine, that'll always be a good improvememnt :D [15:34]
davout danielpbarron: right [15:34]
davout mircea_popescu: i iz no hipster [15:34]
mircea_popescu you're french! [15:34]
davout mircea_popescu: you're the one with the trendy beard [15:34]
mircea_popescu and you got wild hair! wtf no hipster are you talking about! [15:35]
mircea_popescu being french -automatically-> hipster. ask anyone in socal. [15:35]
davout mircea_popescu: hipsters have carefully crafted wild hair, mine's natural [15:35]
jurov you're natural hipster [15:36]
davout fuck you all, i'm leaving, going back to brewing my own beer and growing vegetables on my balcony [15:36]
mircea_popescu hahaha. cherry tomatoes ? [15:37]
mircea_popescu hanbot did that iirc. [15:37]
davout cherry tomatoes... lol. [15:37]
davout i'm growing roquette, mind you [15:37]
mircea_popescu << cartman's woodland creatures love you for it. [15:38]
assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 16:28:19; williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Header image now 300kb not 2mb [15:38]
mircea_popescu how about going the full step and making it like 30k [15:39]
jurov or straight back to vectors. 3k then [15:39]
fluffypony davout: when I was in the USA I wanted to buy some for a pasta sauce I was making, took me 25 minutes at Whole Foods to figure out that they call it "arugula" [15:41]
mircea_popescu "Civilization in the New World has very deep and ancient roots." yeah, and like any case of micropenis, we gotta go digging for it VEEERY carefully. [15:41]
mircea_popescu << myeah. except the "code red" is not what bitcointalk forum derps imagine it is. the code red is, has been for the entire history and likely will remain at least for a while simpler stuff like [15:44]
assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 16:49:34; punkman: lol [15:44]
assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 17:00:47; asciilifeform: << it won't work, because no one has, yet, a fully static build. see logs. [15:44]
ben_vulpes fluffypony: what d'yall call it? [15:44]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes it's called rucola when i had it in my salmon sandwiches at that cafe [15:45]
ben_vulpes mhm [15:45]
mircea_popescu pretty much called rucola throughout europe, except for france. [15:45]
ben_vulpes this is true in sa as well? [15:45]
mircea_popescu well yes [15:45]
mircea_popescu thing's latin name's eruca. [15:45]
mircea_popescu (italian fashion, somehow teh usians got crazy over it at some point. like a self-flagellation tiramisu) [15:46]
ben_vulpes self-flagellation? rucola's delicious! [15:47]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: jurov: Yeah I'll redraw the whole image and make it SVG [15:47]
mircea_popescu but it's bitter/ [15:47]
mircea_popescu williamdunne you drew that ? [15:47]
williamdunne Nope [15:47]
williamdunne Its from Iron Giant [15:48]
davout mircea_popescu: "my salmon sandwiches at that cafe" <<< and i'm the hipster?! [15:48]
williamdunne But I will draw it [15:48]
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jurov if rucola's bitter, then it's stale [15:48]
mircea_popescu davout hey, not my fault they know how to make a salmon and parmezan sammich. [15:48]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: jurov: Yeah I'll redraw the whole image and make it SVG << you know you don't *have* to do everything he says [15:48]
* mircea_popescu has kicked ben_vulpes for treason and undermining the national economy [15:49]
williamdunne ben_vulpes: It was already intended, so I could hide some lego in the image [15:49]
ben_vulpes at a certain point it'll turn into a game "hey williamdunne this is great but it's not going to fly without a photo of you with a shoe on your head" [15:49]
jurov yeah williamdunne is lost caouse,like, i have to explain to him i'm trolling him. [15:49]
jurov did you get the steg joke at last? [15:49]
mircea_popescu you make stag jokes ? [15:50]
mircea_popescu jurov, i never! [15:50]
ben_vulpes i think jurov has a crush [15:50]
williamdunne I didn't tbh :/ [15:50]
fluffypony ben_vulpes: ROCKET [15:50]
fluffypony I was like "bro it's a herb, it's rocket. come now." [15:50]
mircea_popescu steganography is hiding messages inside images. and a crush is when a guy wants to put his wee wee in your... well... [15:50]
fluffypony and they were like "SORRY SIR, THE HOBBY STORE IS DOWN THE ROAD" [15:50]
asciilifeform >> obligatory >> [15:50]
assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 18:44:48; ben_vulpes: at a certain point it'll turn into a game "hey williamdunne this is great but it's not going to fly without a photo of you with a shoe on your head" [15:50]
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jurov yea, i was implying the image was so big cuz you have hidden sth there [15:51]
williamdunne Ah [15:51]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform either that or [15:51]
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ben_vulpes "my name is vermin/my name is vermin/vermin supreme supreme supreme/and you can vote/for me (if you want to)"... [15:52]
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williamdunne mircea_popescu: I'm really curious as to what decisions led to that photo [15:52]
ben_vulpes old counterscam lulz williamdunne [15:53]
davout the "network-imposed oppression chart" is pretty misleading [15:53]
mircea_popescu williamdunne nigeria was originally a booming oil economy, attracted a lot of people. then it went stale, and for a while throughout the 90s there was a large community of desperate, socially marginal young men, who took to playing internet con games. eventually there was some reaction in the shape of, "con the nigerians". [15:53]
mircea_popescu that pic among others is the result. [15:53]
davout sure, there are going to be problems for you if the transactions keep growing linearly like that, oh wait, it's a log scale, straight lines are actually exponentials [15:54]
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williamdunne ah, countering the 419 [15:54]
williamdunne gotcha [15:54]
mircea_popescu davout the amount of herd-herding that the usg has been putting into this is so incredibly useful because a) it really can't do anything but! b) it really does expose the tools. [15:54]
mircea_popescu why the fuck do they think addressing themselves to a mathematically illiterate crowd is a valid avenue is entirely beyond my comprehension. [15:55]
davout mircea_popescu: because everybody understands extrapolating with straight lines [15:56]
mircea_popescu course, it's how that country is run, it's how the derps "in charge" got into office, it's the only thing they're tooled to do, and so to the man carrying a bad graph and some banal word tricks... [15:56]
mircea_popescu davout everyone that can't be in bitcoin, yes. [15:56]
davout yup [15:57]
mircea_popescu maybe they imagine that their "rape earth sciences" program worked, and maybe they imagine it worked because it was persuasive, [15:57]
mircea_popescu rather than because those people actually need their money. [15:57]
davout not sure i follow the "rape earth sciences" [15:57]
mircea_popescu "global warming". [15:57]
mircea_popescu you know, where the usg actually gained the ability to make bad graphs [15:57]
danielpbarron re: vermin supreme, I met the guy -> [15:57]
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ben_vulpes "earth rape sciences" [15:57]
mircea_popescu before that it was just linguistic tricks. [15:58]
ben_vulpes danielpbarron: AWESOME [15:58]
mircea_popescu if you care about anthropology, it's a great thing to watch, how the beast acquires skills. that was the major breakthrough there. [15:58]
mircea_popescu even before-r than that, in the 80s, all the left had was "accuse the other of bad things loudly and repeatedly. just that". [15:58]
mircea_popescu it progressed slightly from that, to word redefinitions in the 90s, and so on. [15:59]
mircea_popescu /end crash course. [15:59]
ben_vulpes i think earth rape sciences are great! they're expensive and produce absolutely nothing. [15:59]
mircea_popescu woot danielpbarron should be on your blog! [15:59]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: you're familiar with the supreme vermin? [15:59]
mircea_popescu yes. [15:59]
davout interesting [16:00]
trinque << says teh googles [16:00]
assbot PorcFest - The 12th Annual Porcupine Freedom Festival PorcFest ... ( ) [16:00]
mircea_popescu hanbot something to do with cascadia! [16:00]
trinque actually "free state project" in New Hampshire [16:00]
ben_vulpes i need an emoji for when i want to raise an eyebrow at you mircea_popescu [16:00]
trinque the idea was you pack the state with enough gun-toting libertarians and things get better-ish [16:01]
mircea_popescu :D [16:01]
mircea_popescu meanwhile, have a gifoji for the word "fuck". [16:01]
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hanbot oic. i was kinda hoping for porcupine interpretive dance or smthg ;/ [16:01]
trinque danielpbarron: are you in NH? [16:03]
mircea_popescu << you must live in a world very different than mine, where time's not linear or something. [16:03]
assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 17:03:44; asciilifeform: << one of the nice things about having the source, regardless of how idiotic the dev process which produced it, is cutting away the crud. which you can do with coreboot, just as with bitcoind etc. [16:03]
mircea_popescu i'm not about to give anything stupid the time of day in any sense, except perhaps to point and laugh at it if it's stupid enough. [16:04]
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hanbot mircea_popescu is that the philosophy you apply to rewriting poems etc? [16:05]
mircea_popescu yes, actually. [16:05]
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mircea_popescu auden wasn't bad, just not good enough. runcible doom wasn't bad, just not good enough [16:05]
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mircea_popescu "It’s hard to think of another movie since then that’s been so quotable, so memorable, so widely watched, and has even aged as well as it has." << except star wars, star trek, most of manga... [16:07]
mircea_popescu weirdo geeks be weirdo. [16:07]
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mircea_popescu "TV propogandist and etatist shill John Oliver" [16:15]
mircea_popescu not bad. popogandist! [16:15]
mircea_popescu like a sort of nonviolence proponent that takes it up the pooper. [16:16]
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jurov davout, no liquidity since yest [16:16]
mircea_popescu jurov i see a trickle ? [16:17]
davout ah, i'll need to check on that [16:18]
jurov there were orders of 400 or so before [16:18]
mircea_popescu << there is going to be, eventually, yes. from us. in the usual manner. [16:18]
assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 17:09:03; asciilifeform: decimation: i'd consider doing this, but doubt there is any serious demand [16:18]
mircea_popescu << works on his machine. [16:21]
assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 17:10:50; asciilifeform: several years ago, i bought the arm chipset chromebook and tried in vain, for ages, to install gentoo on it [16:21]
williamdunne jurov: The SVG is 900kb, lol [16:21]
davout jurov: blergh, my bot is apparently stuck, doesn't feel like starting up, i'll need to access the physical machine, which will happen in the next 24h [16:22]
jurov wow. you're running mpex bot directly on the iron? [16:23]
davout jurov: OS's are for hipsters [16:23]
Azelphur (07:31:47) mircea_popescu: !rate azelphur 1 Not seen for a while now. [16:23]
Azelphur mircea_popescu: missing me? :P [16:24]
mircea_popescu somewhat lol. how goes ? [16:24]
mircea_popescu jurov he takes the "rails" bit literally. [16:24]
Azelphur Good, buried in work mostly, still working for Ragnar :) [16:24]
davout jurov: actually, for some reason it doesn't like being run in a screen session [16:24]
ben_vulpes pahaibgroqeuthg89pqu34ini3q4uhlte [16:25]
jurov using gpg 2.x perchance? [16:25]
Azelphur Actually working on electrum atm that said, it hates me because I'm British so I'm having to patch it [16:25]
ben_vulpes screen session for mpex bot [16:25]
ben_vulpes my tiny brain is blowed [16:25]
mircea_popescu Azelphur aha. well, it's an activity thing. [16:25]
davout jurov: no [16:25]
Azelphur mircea_popescu: yea, I'm not that active in this channel any more since I don't really hold any assets beyond bitcoin itself [16:26]
davout ben_vulpes: wai [16:26]
jurov yea, i use tmux likewise [16:26]
davout and, isn't it "blown" ? :D [16:26]
ben_vulpes i mean i don't know anything about keeping software up but like...runit? or something? [16:27]
jurov and gpg2 does not like when /dev/$stdin is not owned by current user [16:27]
jurov ben_vulpes: what would you do with passphrase? [16:27]
ben_vulpes or is this people trying to imitate the lispy "jack into running proc" thing with tmux/screen/mosh etc [16:27]
ben_vulpes jurov: aha [16:27]
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davout ben_vulpes: yeah i guess i should, it just doesn't fail often enough for me to care [16:28]
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mircea_popescu << liek hell it doesn't. [16:40]
assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 17:22:40; asciilifeform: as for the free world, it has -not one chip fab- to its name [16:40]
mircea_popescu looky, just because we're temporarily tolerating the kulaks means nothing. this is like saying the soviets had no factories to its name, 1915. [16:41]
mircea_popescu according to themselves, cca 1935, yes, they did. [16:41]
mircea_popescu << no they don't. nobody, including the chinese, including putin, has any fucking idea what this even is, because they lack both the intellectual sophistication to comprehend what matters in the world and go seek the signs, and the power to actually have good advisors that do. [16:44]
assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 17:27:12; asciilifeform: they do [16:44]
mircea_popescu the pretend-sovereigns are really not that good. that's all. [16:44]
mircea_popescu << the funniest thing in this line to me is, argentina, which is way up there in the top of "ra ra ra patria si buitres no, ra ra ra" sovereignity derpage. here's where i laughed at them for using windows, and them HATING ME FOR IT!!11 [16:47]
assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 17:28:51; asciilifeform: hence why ru missile controllers are built using ancient soviet arch, yes, but the fab is winblows-controlled and the design turns from circuit to mask also in winblows [16:47]
assbot Views from Argentina pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. : argentina ... ( ) [16:47]
mircea_popescu it's very funny this, they would rather want "sovereignity on windows" than "independence from windows". [16:48]
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asciilifeform << but you are. when running closed-source idiot winblows-designed biosen which can't even embed kernel [16:52]
assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 18:59:40; mircea_popescu: i'm not about to give anything stupid the time of day in any sense, except perhaps to point and laugh at it if it's stupid enough. [16:52]
asciilifeform the idiocy of cpp bitcoind is not an excuse to use 'liberty dollar' etc. [16:52]
mircea_popescu myeah. this is true. [16:53]
mircea_popescu i cope with it solipsistically, which is to say, "until it gets in my way it doesn't exist. once it does, ima burn it" [16:53]
mircea_popescu << let us examine this claim. it is a claim worth examining. [16:54]
assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 17:35:26; asciilifeform: just the 'palace economy' you inherently get, from a chip fab costing what it costs [16:54]
mircea_popescu so, what's a fab cost ? like 10bn or so, say ? less, but anyway. what's the current print rate ? 10x that A MONTH or so ? at least as far as documented (most monetary expansion happens in the dark anyway, it was recently rechristened as "big bank fraud" temporarily, but it is not nor ever was that - most monetary expansion is regulated by the banks) [16:55]
mircea_popescu does this then mean that the us generates 10 more fabs each month ? no. [16:55]
mircea_popescu does it mean they could ? no, it does not. the proposition is of the kind of "apple shares could buy all of russia". no, they COULD NOT. [16:55]
mircea_popescu so then... what exactly does a fab cost ? [16:55]
mircea_popescu and moreover, once la serenissima expands - A LITTLE (in comparative tersm) - what's to say it won't be able to afford this ? [16:56]
mircea_popescu most of the cost is not the machinery. [16:56]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: very glad you asked. because this is 'teachable moment' [16:56]
asciilifeform the 'fab costs $1B' is merely a -symptom- of the real problem [16:56]
asciilifeform it costs $1B because there are six people who can honcho a fab [16:56]
asciilifeform and so they can charge $B. [16:56]
mircea_popescu what happens once they're all here ? [16:56]
asciilifeform then ragnarok [16:56]
mircea_popescu so then. [16:56]
mircea_popescu it costs nothing - to us. [16:57]
mircea_popescu it costs the world to them. [16:57]
mircea_popescu the latter part is already implemented. [16:57]
mircea_popescu plan proceeds as planned. [16:57]
mircea_popescu "looky, just because we're temporarily tolerating the kulaks means nothing. this is like saying the soviets had no factories to its name, 1915." [16:57]
asciilifeform except they'll be here shortly after 'here' can even afford to feed the secretary catgurl. [16:57]
mircea_popescu this is not actually true. we could, she didn't want to. [16:57]
mircea_popescu for that matter, she was saved from ending up in the street by someone here iirc. [16:58]
asciilifeform ^ hm, i missed this [16:58]
asciilifeform in log ? [16:58]
mircea_popescu yeah at the time. she needed a house. [16:58]
mircea_popescu moreover, this is entirely not related. things don't scale like this. [16:58]
asciilifeform don't scale - down ? [16:58]
asciilifeform or what [16:58]
mircea_popescu "my wife couldn't even give birth to an eggplant, what hope is there she could make me an heir" [16:58]
asciilifeform l0l [16:59]
mircea_popescu cunts make kids not vegetables, and things don't scale like this. [16:59]
asciilifeform anyway, 'they' aren't here because they are over in that other place where work - with however much friction and statal theft in the loop, sure - turns into food, houses, coke, etc. see also [17:01]
assbot Re: realistic but short and simple LISP examples? - Naggum cll archive ... ( ) [17:01]
asciilifeform nobody's about to pour and slice a Si boule as volunteer. [17:01]
asciilifeform not because it is difficult, but because the folks who could afford to - are far too busy with selecting the right cocaine and whores for their atomic dirigible voyage. [17:02]
mircea_popescu how much coke do you snort ? [17:02]
asciilifeform none [17:02]
mircea_popescu then the fuck do you care ? [17:02]
asciilifeform example. [17:03]
mircea_popescu that system works for derp force the 4th. who is, in all terms, worthless. [17:03]
asciilifeform i snort a good bit of food, house. [17:03]
mircea_popescu exactly. perfect example. [17:03]
asciilifeform i very much get the 'we don't want time-servers, clock-watchers' thing [17:04]
asciilifeform but soldiers who can't eat - can't fight. [17:04]
mircea_popescu the only thing of any import in there was the cocaine. [17:04]
mircea_popescu any merely functional live thing will get its own food and shelter. it's the basis of life. [17:05]
asciilifeform so far this is handled by ben_vulpes, yours truly, et al being 'stainless steel rats' who scrounge enough fiat in the secular world to run on [17:05]
mircea_popescu a pika can do this [17:05]
asciilifeform but this principle fails when you're talking about molten Si [17:05]
asciilifeform or nukes, etc [17:05]
mircea_popescu nukes are, in this discussion, theatrical props. we need them like i need a prince albert. [17:05]
asciilifeform this again rides on the assumption that physical concentrations of people are strictly something that enemy does, and never us [17:06]
asciilifeform even mongol horde, the ultimate 'towns are for lusers' gold standard - had physical concentration. [17:07]
mircea_popescu only on teir net [17:08]
asciilifeform if 'serene republic' ever had any costly physical plant whatsoever - then nukes. [17:08]
mircea_popescu understand : the "physical concentration" of mongols was EXACTL:Y like what we do here. [17:08]
mircea_popescu it was misperceived by their enemies as "actual", which is how their tactics worked. [17:08]
mircea_popescu what happened once infantry charged ? [17:08]
mircea_popescu their "physical" concentration proved to be virtual. [17:08]
asciilifeform dispersed, sure. [17:08]
asciilifeform now disperse a chip fab. [17:08]
mircea_popescu working on it. [17:09]
asciilifeform l0l [17:09]
mircea_popescu (not me, you are.) [17:09]
asciilifeform [17:09]
assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 17:29:30; asciilifeform: which is why i suspect we'll be crafting discrete logic cpu again before this is all over. [17:09]
asciilifeform it is interesting to contemplate what is the most expensive piece of technology involved in this circus [17:10]
asciilifeform so far, i've reached a possibly surprising conclusion - it is -time- [17:10]
mircea_popescu aha ? [17:11]
asciilifeform i can, barely, afford, e.g., electron microscope. or the parts to build an ion beam machine. but what i cannot even remotely afford is the -time-. [17:11]
mircea_popescu time is traditionalyl solved by adding people. [17:11]
asciilifeform can't speak for other hardware folks here - e.g., ben_vulpes - but suspect they might answer same. [17:11]
asciilifeform adding people works for some things, but, apparently, not everything. [17:12]
mircea_popescu adfding people works provided i'm in charge of it. [17:12]
mircea_popescu people have nfi how to add people. [17:12]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i will take your word for this. now unsheath your magic wand and summon a couple of devils to unfrag bitcoind [17:12]
mircea_popescu which is unsurprising. for all the dire straights ee, or law, or anything else finds itself in, management is the worst. [17:13]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i told you people have nfi how it works :D [17:13]
asciilifeform the ultimate failure is that adding people is guaranteed not to work for 'fits in head'. [17:17]
asciilifeform this is 100% of my 'unified theory' of computing. [17:17]
asciilifeform take, or leave - that is the explanation behind all of the retardation we know as 'computing' [17:18]
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asciilifeform aka the '9 women in parallel to make baby in 1 month' theorem. [17:19]
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jurov there was a fab "tesla piestany" in czechoslovakia able to make 8080 or uart clones [17:28]
jurov got bought by motorola, then "on semiconductor" [17:29]
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jurov and in 2008 closed and moved to the US or wherever [17:29]
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decimation < I remember watching some derpy 'global warming gonna kill us by 2000' documentary as a kid in the 80's. I remember feeling cognitive dissonance when I looked outside and saw that the weather was fine [17:32]
assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 18:54:17; mircea_popescu: even before-r than that, in the 80s, all the left had was "accuse the other of bad things loudly and repeatedly. just that". [17:32]
trinque climates change; that's what they do [17:45]
trinque makes me wonder whether the "climate change" meme exists because people wish humans had that much control over their destiny [17:46]
mircea_popescu trinque more like, because the derps are by now persuaded that they do. [17:48]
trinque yeah [17:48]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's not that guaranteed. depends where and how the addition happens. [17:48]
mircea_popescu the original unix " small program for small job" is exactly an attempt to turn the foregoing into an engineering rule of thumb [17:49]
mircea_popescu and not a bad one atthat [17:49]
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decimation someone beggin' for a kick? [17:50]
mircea_popescu ;;seen cryptogoon [17:50]
gribble cryptogoon was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 29 weeks, 0 days, 5 hours, 3 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: thnx [17:50]
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decimation re: 'fits in head' < in other words the 'mythical man month' more-or-less [17:51]
decimation asciilifeform: perhaps part of your problem (re: make ur own fab) is that you are attempting to 'speak with a sword' [17:53]
decimation so of course only your time will advance the mission [17:53]
jurov no i understood it generally as "anyone's time" [17:55]
decimation jurov: but if it were 'anyone's time' than the existing fabs would be kosher? [17:56]
jurov but that "anyone" does not see any advantage switching their job for this [17:56]
jurov heh, just got this tab open: [17:58]
assbot Anonymous Tor Cloud project closes down ... ( ) [17:58]
decimation jurov: yes indeed. extremely low cost electronic copying has created the tryanny of 'unintentional monopoly', where the first solution that 'works' gets copied to everyone and becomes the defacto standard [17:58]
jurov same thing, basically [17:58]
decimation it's difficult to think how about how to escape this even in principle [17:58]
decimation in the tor cloud case, one cannot simply 'run an ec2 host' for nearly free like one can crib another's c code [17:59]
jurov decimation: but you see money is not a problem here? [18:00]
jurov there are admins who know how to do it. just.. not interested [18:00]
jurov also, there are people who know how to put together 500nm fab, just.. not interested [18:01]
decimation admins still need money to pay for bandwidth, servers [18:01]
decimation yes, there are those who could re-create the fab design toolchain ascii mentioned, but I suppose it is the case that they couldn't be bothered [18:02]
jurov 10 ec2 servers + bw can be had for $100/mo, perhaps. [18:03]
decimation apparently they are too poor to pay that, and nobody else gave a fuck [18:03]
jurov but this installation and patching etc. is what is priceless [18:03]
decimation jurov: do you run the standard aws linux distro or do you have a fully custom image? [18:04]
jurov tried both [18:04]
decimation my understanding is that 'amazon linux' is basically rhel [18:04]
jurov no it's centos [18:05]
decimation yeah, same difference now, redhat acquired centos [18:05]
jurov but debian/ubuntu/suse is supported in the same way [18:05]
jurov i can see alf's point that generally, such things are done only as "bigger cock" exercise. [18:06]
decimation what, the tor cloud? [18:07]
jurov tor cloud, independent fabs, whatever [18:07]
decimation yeah, there is something to that. it does seem like pure market competition will lead to monopoly, and it takes a sovereign to say 'do it this way or hang' [18:08]
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jurov by the way, mircea_popescu: is BISP okay with tor exit nodes? [18:09]
decimation does this mean that pure capitalism tends to fragile oligarchy while government direction of the economy leads to a greater diversity of economic practices? [18:10]
jurov if it was that simple [18:13]
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jurov << decimation refer to here, too [18:17]
assbot That scary thing on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [18:17]
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decimation jurov: yes, that article is related. hopefully someone will figure out a model [18:24]
mircea_popescu jurov yes. [18:33]
mircea_popescu in other news, i just laid a claim on a SIZABLE deposit of wooly mushroom in eulora. [18:33]
mircea_popescu this is the greatest mining find to date ! [18:34]
mircea_popescu needs like... 6 escherian trestleworks among other things to build the fucking mine. [18:34]
mircea_popescu this game i'm the only one that can play is FUCKING GREAT [18:34]
mircea_popescu got my pulse up at any rate. [18:34]
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jurov rip windows [18:40]
assbot Microsoft to stop producing Windows versions - BBC News ... ( ) [18:40]
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jurov "Moving to a situation in which Windows is a constantly updated service will break out of this cycle, and let Microsoft tinker more with the software to test new features and see how customers like them" [18:40]
jurov of course [18:40]
chetty this game i'm the only one that can play is FUCKING GREAT//meanie [18:41]
mircea_popescu lol [18:41]
decimation right, the new model is 'pay us monthly fer yer warez' [18:41]
trinque I see no way this permanent umbilical cord to redmond could go wrong. [18:42]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: LET ME PLAYYYY [18:44]
mircea_popescu lol [18:44]
mircea_popescu NO FIRST I MUST eAT ALL THE CAKES [18:44]
ben_vulpes but leave caek plz [18:45]
mircea_popescu srsly ben, final tests of finality, we're still finding some bugs but its pretty sparse. [18:45]
mircea_popescu by now it's mostly "shit, another bug. no, wait a minute, this is the right thing." [18:45]
mircea_popescu and there WILL be a juicy event to reward the patience and help people set up themselves. so. [18:46]
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mircea_popescu bonus lulz : dulce the leche is a thing. [18:47]
mircea_popescu i need 1, it's in the recipe for the wooly mushroom mine. [18:47]
chetty good idea, we have changed the version so you will be needing a new cs [18:47]
jurov should i prod the windows guy? [18:47]
mircea_popescu jurov yeah. [18:47]
mircea_popescu this shit costs 6 * 3161167 + 40 * 45110 + 45 * 1165 + 4 * 8824 + 1 * 8824 + 10 *1484 + 1 * 23877 = 20906664 satoshi to build. [18:48]
mircea_popescu better be worth it. [18:48]
danielpbarron << nah, I just went for the festival last year and I'm going again this year [18:49]
assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 18:58:41; trinque: danielpbarron: are you in NH? [18:49]
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ben_vulpes chetty: what's the new version? [18:53]
ben_vulpes of cs, that is [18:53]
trinque danielpbarron: cool. the free state project's somewhat interesting; I'm doubtful though that the whole 20k will move when that number's "reached" [18:53]
trinque and of course, the thing will still be entirely within the influence of the federal govt still [18:53]
chetty Rev: 39798 [18:53]
danielpbarron the project is pretty dumb and so are most of the people involved in it [18:55]
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danielpbarron i'm going for the poker mostly [18:55]
jurov meanwhile, dreams of the hypobitcoinized: [18:55]
assbot What is hindering hyperbitcoinization and some ideas for “the killer app” : Bitcoin ... ( ) [18:55]
trinque danielpbarron: heh! that's a much better reason [18:55]
danielpbarron there's a guy from seals that brings his own custom made table [18:56]
trinque "Since I have neither money nor knowledge to build something myself" [18:56]
trinque jurov: ^ that about covers it [18:56]
trinque this reads like some stoner fuck trying to tell me his app ideas, lol [18:57]
trinque "dude dude, all you have to do is write this app and we'll be rich" [18:57]
jurov imma totally use that word for eulora review, "hyperbitconinized" [18:58]
jurov damn, it's even impossible to type correctly [18:59]
ben_vulpes "Warning: Can't synchronize with the repository (Couldn't open Subversion repository /home/crystal/scm/crystal: SubversionException: ("Expected FS format between '1' and '3'; found format '4'", 160043))." [18:59]
trinque hnnnnnnnnggg [18:59]
jurov lol, i realized literally 2 days ago i moved eulora off ssd to free some space [19:00]
cazalla <<< you never get that sweet then peppery taste with store bought rocket, i doubt many people even know what it really tastes like [19:06]
assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 18:33:12; davout: i'm growing roquette, mind you [19:06]
mircea_popescu trinque > jurov: ^ that about covers it << seriously, reddit, who cares. [19:07]
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cazalla <<< 419 eater in other words.. how do these kids not know about such things? : [19:10]
assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 18:49:36; williamdunne: ah, countering the 419 [19:10]
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scoopbot_revived Why did blacks stop caring about respectability and acceptability in USistan ? Because there's none to be had. [19:31]
chetty its worse than not caring, black kids are scroned for even trying in school, the get told they are acting too white [19:32]
mircea_popescu not sure how actually widespread that is. [19:33]
trinque I dunno that it goes beyond "this is what disorganized poverty looks like" [19:41]
trinque plenty of useless white hoodlums in the south too [19:43]
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mats mircea_popescu: are you planning to keep the courts project open? [19:44]
mircea_popescu not much longer, no. [19:45]
mircea_popescu was kinda wanting to see if anyone wants to go through those, get an independent evaluation in. [19:45]
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mircea_popescu << you can do this only if you're cool, which is to say if you have interesting shit to do. [19:46]
assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 17:48:14; decimation: but on the flip side you can print scrip and force your subjects to honor it [19:46]
mircea_popescu just like you can be the life of the party and command everyone's attention for as long as you're being riveting ; just as long as you can tell women to suck your cock for just as long as it's a juicy cock to suck. [19:47]
mircea_popescu just like the us was a thing back when that guy they shot had a mission [19:47]
mircea_popescu be it conquer the south or the moon, but a mission, see. something interesting to do. [19:47]
mircea_popescu you cant just print scrip because you got a scrip printer. that's not how it works. [19:47]
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davout <<< lulzy [20:13]
assbot Startup ’21 Inc’ Wants to Put Bitcoin Miner in Toaster | CoinSpeaker ... ( ) [20:13]
mircea_popescu toaster is kinda dumb, but ceramic tiles for warm floor is worth doing. [20:20]
mircea_popescu just make a power and internet hook=up so that each tile can in principle power/be powered by and connect/be connected by each of its 4 neighbours. [20:21]
mircea_popescu then lay them out, and power/internet one side of the wall. [20:21]
mircea_popescu <<< i think you drastically overestimate the military importance of nuclear weapons. [20:39]
assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 17:59:24; jurov: su was bad at that [20:39]
mircea_popescu contrary to what is generally propagandized, there isn't a way to use them effectually on the field. the only effectual use for them is in mass media. [20:39]
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mircea_popescu consider the following math : uranium reserves, about 6*10^9 kgs. about 0.1% of this is usable for the purpose. uranium molar mass is ~250 [grams/mol] which means ~ 6*10^9 * 1000/250 * 6*10^23 atoms in total. meanwhile energy output is ~200 MeV per event. your total ideal available energy is thus ~1.44 * 10^32 eV. meanwhile land surface is ~1.50 * 10 ^ 14 sqm. So you get a total of ~10*17 eV per square meter, or a litt [20:54]
mircea_popescu le less than a Joule-cent. well done... who cares ? [20:54]
mircea_popescu save a few acres, make yourself a cup of tea. [20:54]
mircea_popescu (note that i didn't even bother with using the fact that 99.9% of uranium is not more fissile than lead, nor the fact that you will never actually manage to bust up ALL the atoms) [20:55]
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mircea_popescu << probably a good place to hook that old or specifically [21:12]
mircea_popescu This would also be why I don't think so very much of the libertards, and why I find myself so often in contradiction with people who view them as either powerful or in any sense a threat (usually both) : they aren't, either, nor could they really be, either, because the only tool they know actually works for them only a short distance of its run, and for us the entire length of that same run. The libertard's gambit is [21:12]
mircea_popescu essentially the position of the Catholic church, hoping that it may teach people to read and write in such a way that they'll actually continue to take the "Holy Scripture" seriously. Why would they ? They won't, they don't, it's just not how that works. [21:12]
assbot Logged on 10-05-2015 17:55:59; asciilifeform: that's the thing, the 'increasingly sees as pointless' was after things turned 'rational' [21:12]
assbot Why "representative democracy" doesn't work and doesn't make sense on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [21:12]
mircea_popescu thatr's exactly what it is. the whole thing that made usg work makes us work. it'll make us great long after it buried it. [21:12]
mircea_popescu exactly the us-su dynamic. [21:13]
mircea_popescu sheeeit i should have linked instead. gotta learn to use this great tool now! [21:13]
assbot Why "representative democracy" doesn't work and doesn't make sense on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [21:13]
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mircea_popescu williamdunne yo scoop's dead. [22:14]
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scoopbot_revived I think you drastically overestimate the military importance of nuclear weapons. [22:28]
ben_vulpes "people are no longer motivated by appeals to broader, more abstract values, that what motivates them are more narrow, survival-oriented approaches" << subconsciously, everyone knows what's coming [22:31]
assbot Resilience is The New Black | naked capitalism ... ( ) [22:31]
decimation re: uranium < < this guy says there are 4.5 bil tons of U in the oceans (4E12 kg) [22:42]
assbot Ch 24 Page 163: Sustainable Energy - without the hot air | David MacKay ... ( ) [22:42]
decimation so your estimate might be off by about 1000 if you include that. Also presumably most of the 'heavy hitter' bombs would use heavy water fusion secondaries [22:44]
decimation or lithium deuteride rather [22:47]
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williamdunne Gavin is now also advocating for 1 minute blocks [23:25]
williamdunne Anyone want to ask him if he thinks we should implement X11ScryptDark++ too? [23:26]
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decimation hell add on google protocol buffers too [23:35]
williamdunne Might as well port the DB to MongoDB while we're at it [23:37]
mircea_popescu !up livegnik [23:44]
-assbot- You voiced livegnik for 30 minutes. [23:44]
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mircea_popescu decimation yes, they are. gl taking it out. [23:44]
mircea_popescu in the same sense there's a shitton of gold. [23:44]
livegnik Thnx mircea_popescu . I'll be off in 30 minutes or so, and haven't been able to get sirius in here yet. Both pretty busy atm, but sure he'll join us some other time. [23:45]
mircea_popescu williamdunne because clearly 1 minute blocks are so helpful to ltc it already tookover. [23:45]
mircea_popescu wtf is with these idiots. don't they realise just how obvious their agenda becomes from all the failures ? "we gotta fuck up bitcoin. o, i know, let's make the blocks larger. wait, mp said no. i know, make the timing shorter. one way or another, must destroy the decentralisation!!11" [23:46]
mircea_popescu livegnik np. [23:46]
mircea_popescu #b-a is eternal. [23:46]
livegnik :) [23:46]
williamdunne Na thats 2.5 minute blocks, so this is like 2.5 litecoins. And there are double as many litecoins as there are bitcoins so this idea is worth what, 105,000,000 bitcoins? [23:47]
livegnik Anything else I might be able to explain about Identifi? I remember that there were some more questions last time after I left. [23:47]
mircea_popescu at least. [23:47]
williamdunne I think I've been hearing about identifi recently, let me check I'm on about the right thing one sec [23:47]
livegnik Sure thing. [23:48]
livegnik is our not-up-to-date website. The proto-type of what a front end *could* look like can be found on The proto-type of the back-end can be found here: [23:48]
assbot Identifi - Address book with ratings ... ( ) [23:48]
williamdunne Ah okay, not what I was hearing about. Still interested tho so give me a sec to read-up again on it [23:48]
assbot Identifi ... ( ) [23:49]
assbot identifi/identifi · GitHub ... ( ) [23:49]
livegnik Sure thing. [23:49]
mircea_popescu decimation anyway, the important point in all of that is the natural insolation on ground is to the degree of 20 MJ/day. [23:49]
livegnik williamdunne: Here's a human readable (very summarized) version of what it does: [23:49]
assbot - Martti Malmi on Bitcoin & Identifi ... ( ) [23:49]
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livegnik We don't have a whitepaper yet. Working on it though. It would be much easier to grasp the concept with some details on the data format, database design, network topology, etc. [23:50]
williamdunne WhitePapers are overrated [23:51]
williamdunne Can I have a link to your profile, I wanna see the rating system? [23:51]
mircea_popescu livegnik you'd be much better served getting in the wot than writing white papers. experimentally, nobody reads thoise. [23:51]
mircea_popescu especially if they're a pdf. [23:51]
williamdunne livegnik: Looks ok I guess, rating system and account system seems pretty 'tarded atm [23:53]
livegnik williamdunne: Sure. Just don't stare at the front-end too much, it's only to give you an idea. The real magic happens on the back-end; the daemon. [23:53]
livegnik [23:53]
assbot Identifi - Tim Pastoor ... ( ) [23:53]
williamdunne Take it back [23:53]
livegnik mircea_popescu: I agree. I'm no academic nor coder, so I'm not even gonna give it a shot. [23:53]
williamdunne It isn't so tarded, just the search function [23:53]
livegnik Yeah, it's an early alpha. [23:54]
livegnik It's nothing special, if you'd ask me. [23:54]
williamdunne The self-rate things are a bit odd [23:54]
livegnik You can do RPC calls on the back-end, basically how you can do it with bitcoind [23:54]
williamdunne i.e IS_OVER_18 YES url [23:55]
assbot ... ( ) [23:55]
williamdunne IS_OVER_18 YES url [23:55]
assbot ... ( ) [23:55]
williamdunne IS_NL_RESIDENT YES url [23:55]
assbot ... ( ) [23:55]
livegnik The self-rate thing is verifying identifiers (which are called "connections" there). By verifying an identifier you add said identity + that identifier to your WoT. [23:55]
livegnik That's just an example. [23:55]
livegnik I could add an identifier like that and get a verifaction from my bank and/or social network that way. [23:56]
williamdunne Mmm adding them as rates seems awkward, should be separate. Also gives a false sense of security [23:56]
livegnik They're not the rates. [23:56]
livegnik Identifiers are what construct the identity. The ratings are apart from that. [23:57]
williamdunne Shows up on the received part either way [23:57]
livegnik You can only up/down-vote the identifiers themselves. Next, you can say anything about them under ratings. [23:57]
livegnik So there's the ID part and the reputation part. [23:57]
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mircea_popescu the entire thing would drastically benefit from getting the people involved here. it has fundamental problems which are apparently difficult to grasp. whatever they may think they're doing with their time that's a better use, isn't. [23:59]
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