Forum logs for 11 May 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

mircea_popescu	i wouldn't count on them not doing something such as changing the tax code mid exercise and then insisting you comply.	[00:00]
davout	mircea_popescu: but one thing to keep in mind is that contrary to all the other exchanges, we never actually touch the fiat being moved aroud, me merely trigger a transfer between accounts that do not belong to us legally	[00:00]
mircea_popescu	such stuff has been seen in romania, poland, the czech republic and if memory serves the uk	[00:00]
davout	mircea_popescu: retroactive tax law changes are something that has happened in france as well AFAIK	[00:00]
mircea_popescu	so a bit of a dubious terrain, is all i'm saying.	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	this, of course, in stark contrast with the 100% non illegal certs better people are getting.	[00:01]
davout	our defense here is simply "we never touch the money", we're simply mandated to trigger the move between accounts :D	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	yes yes i get that, there isn't a third reich because you live in the poznan forest, rather than on the warta field	[00:02]
davout	at least, if that ever happens and we get fined into nothingness, the customer funds are safe because they don't sit on our corp. accts	[00:02]
davout	phew	[00:02]
Apocalyptic	mircea_popescu: retroactive tax law changes are something that has happened in france as well AFAIK // oh yeah it did	[00:02]
Apocalyptic	like the PEA taxation recently	[00:03]
mircea_popescu	davout im not even sure how it works there, but if memory serves you can't even bankruptcy if you've been fined	[00:03]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves so are you concerned that by going to amsterdam you may end up on teh interpol pedo watch list ?	[00:03]
davout	mircea_popescu: never heard about that, the taxman is a privileged creditor for sure, but how would that work?	[00:03]
Apocalyptic	heh mircea	[00:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2295 @ 0.00087876 = 2.0168 BTC [-]	[00:04]
mircea_popescu	davout well, you file for chapter 11 or w/e equivalent, the da intervenes and objects	[00:04]
mircea_popescu	civil suit (ie, the bankruptcy) is suspended during penal proceedings	[00:04]
davout	ya, guess you mean it becomes personal liability at that point	[00:04]
mircea_popescu	there's no strict limit on how long they may take, so it can be 25 years.	[00:04]
mircea_popescu	davout no, he doesn't have to actually prosecute it.	[00:05]
davout	but, penal against whom ?	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	doesn't matter.	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	suppose there's company x. it owes 110 euros and has assets of 100 euros. right ?	[00:05]
davout	penal as in surprise penis in butt	[00:05]
davout	right	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	at this point general manager or w/e party the executive power is vested in is legally required to file for bankruptcy or supervised reorganisation/reconstitution/we	[00:06]
davout	okay	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	this is a civil suit. the judge receives an objection from the state's tax attorney, stating that they consider they're owed five eurocents in fines.	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	and - importantly - that they intend to prosecute the matter.	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	the judge sets the file aside.	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	end of story.	[00:07]
davout	to me it works in the following way	[00:07]
davout	assets 100, liability 110	[00:07]
davout	taxman takes whatever is owed to them, other creditors take the rest	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	not how this works	[00:07]
davout	i'm not finished	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	IF the taxman claims they intend to prosecute the matter.	[00:07]
jurov	taxman must do an audit first	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	but you never get that far. i know how it goes on your branch, but youy never get to tyhat branch	[00:08]
jurov	and ask you whatever they want... that can take time	[00:08]
davout	someone may object (taxman or whoever else) may object that the bankruptcy was fraudulent and that there was deliberate actions made to diminish the assets, in this case the general manager can get prosecuted personnally	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	no.	[00:09]
davout	heard about this a few times already	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	the taxman;'s objection is priviledged	[00:09]
davout	yea, i know	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	it's not of the same nature as everyone else's (those are resolved part of the civil suit)	[00:09]
davout	people actually get barred from managing corporations	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	the situation you find yourself in, practically, is that the 100 euro assets are now locked up, and deteriorating, under court "supervision"	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	and you can't touch them. and everyone waits.	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	since it's a small corp, nobody cares, and it can wait forever.	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	that's the particular fissure of a kafkaesque nature i wish to draw your attention to.	[00:10]
davout	in france, there's usually a "suit" if the bankruptcy is fraudulent, a liquidation process goes in front of a judge as well tho, but it's not really a lawsuit	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	but that's what im saying. it doesn't have to get that far.	[00:10]
pankkake	I believe this is how it works https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-9j9Io-gTk	[00:10]
davout	in france, as far as i know, if a company is not solvent, there must be a liquidator appointed	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	davout sure.	[00:11]
davout	i may be dead wrong here, never had a company liquidated :D	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	no, you're right. hes appointed. he takes a hoinorary.	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	and waits for the da to finish its investigation.	[00:11]
davout	pankkake: fucking classical	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	till 2028 or w/e	[00:11]
davout	afaik the fact that a liquidator is appointed doesn't mean there's an investigation	[00:12]
mircea_popescu	dude you're refusing to see what im saying. again from the top.	[00:12]
mircea_popescu	company is insolvent. management has to report this. management does.	[00:13]
davout	the way i understand it, is that there's two cases, either the bankruptcy is considered "normal", or "fraudulent", in the former it's liquidator, in the latter it's liquidator + investigation	[00:13]
mircea_popescu	court takes note. court starts insolvency proceedings.	[00:13]
mircea_popescu	taxman takes note. taxman notifies court.	[00:13]
mircea_popescu	court sets all proceedings aside pending result of taxman investigation.	[00:13]
mircea_popescu	investigation takes forever.	[00:13]
mircea_popescu	insolvency is never resolved.	[00:13]
mircea_popescu	~ fin ~	[00:13]
davout	aah, i guess the part i missed was that it was a taxman led investigation	[00:13]
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mircea_popescu	so now you can sit and look at your 100 euros turning into dust in a warehouse somewhere.	[00:14]
-kloeri-	[Global Notice] Hi all. I'm going to do some very quick maintainence related to nickserv, chanserv and friends. Services downtime should be very brief. Thanks for using freenode.	[00:14]
davout	i'll have a look at that	[00:14]
jurov	well, i fail to find anything such in slovak law practice	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	now, if it's a big company, it can perhaps push for this to resolve.	[00:15]
jurov	in fact, the opposite thing happened	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	but considering the state of the dockets, all over the "civilised" world, a < billion corp stands zero chance to be even noticed.	[00:15]
davout	but from what you say, the taxman, if he has a claim against the company has an actual incentive to speed things up, assuming he's paying himself after his investigation, which would make sense in a somewhat sane system	[00:15]
jurov	taxmen delayed VAT returns fdue to "ongoing investigation"	[00:15]
jurov	so some companies bankrupted	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	davout he has a perverse incentive : he knows that you're a sucker, and would rather pay him than wait.	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	so he waits so you pay.	[00:15]
jurov	regardless of tax investigation	[00:16]
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mircea_popescu	jurov that's vat returns stuff, an entirely different piece of related nonsense.	[00:16]
davout	mircea_popescu: how can i pay him if my assets are frozen during the investigation?	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	davout take your wife to amsterdam ?	[00:16]
jurov	but it was the same kind of investigation	[00:16]
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davout	i don't see how it would make sense to drop a tax-related investigation on frozen corporate assets by having a shareholder, or general manager, paying money out of his pocket	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	one of the many many COUNTLESS reasons a businessman absolutely must have a well read blog at his disposal.	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	once that sort of shit starts, you start publishing the lolz.	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	davout because if w/e they calculated is owed is paid, then they have no further grounds to investigate.	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	pankkake: "Chinese-American, he was born in Africa; his entrepreneurial parents ran a flip-flop factory in the Ivory Coast" << for some reason that immediately sent me to http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/nigerian-scammers.jpg	[00:20]
davout	so what were they investigating about in the first place if it wasn't "calculate exactly how we're being owed" ???	[00:20]
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mircea_popescu	davout right.	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	you are starting to understand bureaucracy, the legal system and how states work.	[00:20]
davout	if they weren't investigating about that, they were investigating about fraud, and you don't get out such an investigation by simply throwing money at them	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	davout it's simpler than that : they don't have to be specific before they finish the investigation	[00:21]
pankkake	French fisc agents are allowed to offer "deals" btw	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	this is a game-theoretic asset : they won't say. maybe they are. maybe they aren't. what do you want ?	[00:21]
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davout	so you just pay them some random amount ?	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	no, you pay them what they ask you. then they make the paperwork read that's what you were supposed to pay.	[00:22]
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davout	i never heard about such a thing	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	yes, but you never spent a million on consel in any fiscal year either.	[00:24]
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davout	true, have you ?	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	yes, actually.	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	pankkake: I'd rather fuck the Bush daughters << but those were sluts	[00:26]
pankkake	what's wrong with sluts?	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	i don't have to get skinnkavaj to ask his magical "i can't see why not" device to bed those	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	principle of magical economy : only use the really powerful delusionist spells when really needed.	[00:27]
davout	mircea_popescu: are you implying that a million needs to be spent in legal counsel to have something like that explained ?	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	davout the implication is that particular malfunctions of a broken system are only visible at a certain height, nothing else	[00:27]
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mircea_popescu	i just explained it to you for free, after all.	[00:28]
davout	that was the implied question :-)	[00:28]
mircea_popescu	your objection that it doesn't fit with your experience, unsound as it may be in theory, is also easily dispatched in practice.	[00:28]
davout	i don't object reasoning on the basis that it doesn't fit my experience	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	i never heard about such a thing << what's that then ?	[00:29]
davout	not an objection, simply the expression that it didn't fit my experience :)	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	oh ok.	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	i am sure, if you go to the chamber of commerce or w/e people gather in paris these days and ask, you will find at least one or two people caught in something of the sort.	[00:30]
davout	what i'm saying is that it is not comprised in the set of the things i know about how the law works	[00:30]
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davout	look, the french tax code has this concept of "abus de droit"	[00:31]
davout	from there, anything becomes possible	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	well yeah but we're here to expand it :D	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	and yes lol.	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	"you have a right, provided you don't use it in a way we didn't foresee or don't like"	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	ancient german law nonsense.	[00:31]
davout	for those who don't speak french, "abus de droit" means that you're "overusing" the law to your advantage, and that, in itself is unlawful	[00:31]
davout	my dad's an accountant, when he told me about this thing, i was like "no fucking way"	[00:32]
davout	he told me to shut up and eat my soup, the moral of the story is that you're better off keeping your assets in bitcoin XD	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	lol	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	he has a point. eat your lentils!	[00:34]
davout	he was actually in his borscht phase	[00:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.041 = 0.41 BTC [-]	[00:37]
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mircea_popescu	ah i love a good bors	[00:41]
davout	yea, don't get too excited, he just entered his "no-fat fries" phase	[00:43]
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pankkake	how does that even work :/	[00:44]
davout	pankkake: http://p3.storage.canalblog.com/36/79/280237/14881225.jpg	[00:44]
pankkake	oh, I think my dad has this horror too	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	olestra ?	[00:44]
pankkake	but the bad thing for you is the fry, not the fat	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	i don't get this no fat frying bs. use canola oil, it'll be fine	[00:45]
pankkake	belgian fries, now that's something	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	do they abuse preteens ?	[00:46]
pankkake	ahah	[00:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00088031 = 15.1853 BTC [+]	[00:46]
davout	pankkake: +beer	[00:46]
davout	pankkake: +francois damiens making pictures of naked women	[00:47]
davout	how was that movie called again	[00:47]
pankkake	dikkenek?	[00:47]
davout	pankkake: YES	[00:47]
davout	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApR8gT8t9JU	[00:48]
ozbot	Dikkenek shooting photo - YouTube	[00:48]
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davout	"PAS COMMENCER A JOUER AVEC MES COUILLES HEIN"	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	what is this ?	[00:50]
davout	pure awesomeness	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	mais qu'est ce que tu fais ici la fille	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	lol	[00:51]
nanotube	kakobrekla: long time ago. google killed their api.	[00:52]
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mircea_popescu	LTC-Global was a dba of btctc right ?	[01:02]
artifexd	I think it was the reverse, but yeah, they were run by the same guy.	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	a yeah, right you are, burnside was derping on ltc with this thing, then when nefario closed down abruptly for unspecified legal reasons one week after declaring he's legally 100% not illegal at the conference where he scammed clueless rms into showing up	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	suddenl;y turned around and made it into a btc exchange because why the fuck not, he's competent and smart and brilliant. or, in the words of today's equivalent,	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	"Dear Forum Members, some people here accuse us false of scam. Fact is not one person here or on BitcoinBourse.eu was scammed by us."	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	o lordy.	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	"If you not like the PHP coding we can't help you, but we are sure our system is very professional programmed."	[01:12]
davout	Markus Weiler, where does one even start	[01:13]
kakobrekla	with rails obviously.	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	the public rails on weiler ?	[01:14]
davout	kakobrekla: does not compute	[01:14]
davout	mircea_popescu: a dependency has failed to compute	[01:14]
pankkake	he hasn't stopped stalking me…	[01:14]
pankkake	apparently I'm every troll for him	[01:15]
kakobrekla	davout yes i would imagine.	[01:15]
davout	pankkake: whatever, you're jelly because he doesn't make blog posts about you	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	davout syntax error	[01:15]
pankkake	still with the wrong identity	[01:15]
pankkake	this is annoying	[01:15]
kakobrekla	im just fucking around while im dicking around cause i know you like to fuck with your dick	[01:15]
jurov	what happens here?	[01:16]
davout	kakobrekla: we herd you like dicks	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	jurov tits fucks you with his dick	[01:16]
davout	SO WE PUT A DICK IN YOUR BUTT, BITCH	[01:16]
kakobrekla	he wishes.	[01:16]
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jurov	and who's the tit here?	[01:17]
davout	!up dotcoin	[01:17]
assbot	Voicing dotcoin for 30 minutes.	[01:17]
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davout	jackpot	[01:17]
dotcoin	David Francois you have a very big mouth with your scam	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	!up dotcoin	[01:17]
assbot	Voice for dotcoin extended to 30 minutes.	[01:17]
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davout	dotcoin: hello markus	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	o you two know each other ?	[01:17]
dotcoin	do you come to monaco on april 24	[01:17]
dotcoin	want to meet you	[01:17]
kakobrekla	jurov a part of my name sounds like tits and means dick	[01:17]
davout	dotcoin: i don't do autographs	[01:18]
dotcoin	still not i jail wonders me	[01:18]
kakobrekla	who is raping the logs!?	[01:18]
dotcoin	asyour friend mark	[01:18]
kakobrekla	dotcoin 1st of april is over dude.	[01:19]
dotcoin	why you not tell the people your relation to karpeles	[01:19]
davout	ladies and gentlemen, dotcoin, operator of bitcoinbourse	[01:19]
dotcoin	you search at other people to fuck them but you are the friend of must fucking scamer in the world	[01:19]
dotcoin	welcome world	[01:19]
BingoBoingo	dotcoin: What bourse do?	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	dotcoin you know, everyone that's been in here for a long time knows everyone else.	[01:20]
kakobrekla	dotcoin what is his relation to karpeles? being french?	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	davout is not special in this regard	[01:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00088115 = 17.4468 BTC [+] {3}	[01:20]
dotcoin	yes ok i don't know anyone here	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	it's just that you're new, and that makes you think knowing pirate/karpeles/whoever is remarkable.	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	it's not, not for us.	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	heck, i even know imsaguy and inau	[01:20]
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mircea_popescu	and gigavps. and a ton of other scammers.	[01:20]
dotcoin	i read only some times some shit people talking about me	[01:20]
davout	dotcoin: also, had you actually watched the video you're screenshotting, you'd have seen i'm in essence telling him he's full of shit, in 2011	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	dotcoin forget about yourself, you're a negligible quantity at this point.	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	read everything else.	[01:21]
jurov	mircea_popescu: he is completely unable to absorb any external advice	[01:21]
dotcoin	syou can advice me	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	jurov i don't know the guy	[01:21]
jurov	i'd try asciilifeform's audio heterodyning instead	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	lol	[01:21]
dotcoin	but don't accuse me of scam as there is no scam on bitcoin bourse guys	[01:22]
BingoBoingo	dotcoin: Can Bourse Bitcoin for make me?	[01:22]
davout	;;rate dotcoin 1 for the purpose of further lulz	[01:22]
gribble	Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	davout srsly dood ;/	[01:22]
kakobrekla	but don't accuse me of scam as there is no scam on bitcoin bourse guys < dont you owe btc to jurov ?	[01:23]
davout	dotcoin: at least i have to give you credit for coming all the way to -assets	[01:23]
kakobrekla	davout trice.	[01:23]
jurov	no he owes something to forensick	[01:23]
jurov	i'm just an "investor"	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	davout yes but rating is going to far, srsly.	[01:23]
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mircea_popescu	"I've disagreed with pankkake before (on the subject of altcoins) and he's called me an idiot and I've told him he's wrong. " << look at that!	[01:23]
dotcoin	not own forensicks bitcoins are you drunk man	[01:23]
kakobrekla	Apocalyptic thatd be 0.1 btc	[01:23]
Apocalyptic	dotcoin: at least i have to give you credit for coming all the way to -assets // he's done it before	[01:23]
jurov	that was denied any financial reports whatsoever	[01:24]
Apocalyptic	must be a regular reader of teh logs	[01:24]
jurov	yes he is, he sent me nastymails within minutes of me mentioning him last previously	[01:24]
jurov	then i published it on my blog	[01:24]
Apocalyptic	he became agressive after jurov mentionned going to the AMF	[01:24]
kakobrekla	i said logs arent magic pill :	[01:25]
dotcoin	yes he can go to amf i wish him good luck	[01:25]
Apocalyptic	Apocalyptic thatd be 0.1 btc // fuck you kako that's my corn	[01:25]
davout	Apocalyptic: AMF deals with financial markets, not with braindamage	[01:25]
jurov	lol	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	!b 2	[01:26]
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kakobrekla	Apocalyptic if it would be mine it would be .5	[01:26]
BingoBoingo	dotcoin: Srs, does bourse Bitcoin have your for more making?	[01:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 24 @ 0.041 = 0.984 BTC [-]	[01:26]
dotcoin	so davout why we not talking little bit here about bitcoin central	[01:27]
dotcoin	and your famous french bitcoin foundation	[01:27]
Apocalyptic	davout, he's pretending to run one, however misconstructed damaged the thingis	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	dotcoin you mean about the vat again or just in general ?	[01:27]
davout	Apocalyptic: my daughter pretends the cushions are castle walls	[01:27]
dotcoin	jurov does amf also view coinbr?	[01:28]
benkay	dotcoin: is there a way to see what paper is trading on bourse without signing up?	[01:28]
dotcoin	yes of course	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	davout little does she know that the snow is the actual castle walls.	[01:28]
davout	dotcoin: maybe, tell them to ask me if they need a referral code	[01:28]
jurov	dotcoin, they are welcome to view it	[01:29]
benkay	dotcoin: where can i see that list?	[01:29]
dotcoin	@jurov than is good man	[01:29]
dotcoin	referal link from you darov	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	don't tell me he types the names by hand	[01:29]
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dotcoin	yes @benkay go to site second slider shares click read more	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	no urls on your internet ?	[01:30]
kakobrekla	d and j are right next to each other	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla on special dj keyboards, yes they are.	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	also on macs	[01:30]
benkay	a carousel is now a nav bar	[01:30]
pankkake	darov is just the child of jurov and davout	[01:30]
benkay	o.O	[01:30]
jurov	dotcoin and what about publishing order book and volume?	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	pankkake that'd be juout	[01:30]
dotcoin	i guess pankkake is the child from them	[01:31]
dotcoin	login to see order book	[01:31]
Apocalyptic	why not make it available for everyone	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	dotcoin do you at least show diff order books to each login, icbit style ?	[01:31]
Apocalyptic	haha	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	or php === not advanced yet ?	[01:31]
jurov	and volume is not available even on login...	[01:31]
Apocalyptic	the "at least" is somehow not shocking	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic it'd be entertaining lol	[01:32]
Apocalyptic	%b	[01:32]
dotcoin	but what you critic this time jurov? the order book? last time was the dividends, next time is what ? should i go to your site and start searching	[01:32]
jurov	oh and did i mention that you can issue standing orders for fixed expiration of 3 days or market orders and nothing else?	[01:32]
kakobrekla	LAST TIME IT WAS THE DIVIDENDS	[01:33]
BingoBoingo	has dotcoin orderbooks that ========= something legit each inlog	[01:33]
Apocalyptic	mod6, is atcbot broken ?	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	jurov that's how they did it in viking times	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	%t	[01:33]
BingoBoingo	%book	[01:33]
atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 225 Ask: 239 Last Price: 225 24h-Vol: 1k High: 239 Low: 195 VWAP: 211	[01:33]
atcbot	60k@242 64k@240 25k@239 \| 116k@225 4k@195 90k@156	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	seems he's fine	[01:33]
Apocalyptic	ok, thought %b was an alias for %book	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	i think it stands for block	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	if anything	[01:34]
Apocalyptic	some interesting bid @225	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	but what you critic this time jurov? the order book? last time was the dividends, next time is what ? should i go to your site and start searching << this approach is fundamentally broken. even should you prove everyone else is stupid, that'll still not make you smart.	[01:34]
dotcoin	@mircea i want to be smart for you nor i search friends here	[01:35]
Duffer1	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=344219.msg5991333#msg5991333	[01:35]
ozbot	Threats to extort and blackmail BCT companies by the user 'pankkake'	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	look at that, 1k atc volume. amusingly, it's displaying the bitcoin hoarding behaviours too!	[01:36]
Duffer1	how did it go with the internet police dotcoin?	[01:36]
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mircea_popescu	dotcoin that's also fundamentally broken. if you have friends here, you'll be ok. if you do not, you will fail, even should the entire world come to try and rescue you.	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	as karpeles found out through bitter experience, as vessenes will, etc.	[01:36]
BingoBoingo	need dotcoin friends no	[01:37]
asciilifeform	world tried to rescue karp?	[01:37]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo kickass lol.	[01:37]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yes.	[01:37]
dotcoin	do you want become my friend?	[01:37]
dotcoin	lol	[01:37]
mircea_popescu	as far as paying out of pocket to fly to fucking japan.	[01:37]
asciilifeform	afaik that was just the 'are you solvent?' sign guy	[01:37]
jurov	http://live.coinbr.com/images/bbsbook-fs8.png dotcoin, so let's talk about order book. you (and everyone) don't see anything untoward here?	[01:37]
mircea_popescu	jurov basically, he's hacked a time auction package, sort-of adapted it for "bitcoin stock exchange" ?	[01:38]
jurov	looks like that.	[01:38]
dotcoin	hm you needs now what jurov a order book?	[01:39]
dotcoin	and after	[01:39]
dotcoin	?	[01:39]
jurov	no you need one	[01:39]
dotcoin	so why you not create your own stock exchange i ask myself if you can do all better	[01:39]
kakobrekla	!b 1	[01:40]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.fraud.org/penny-auctions << this is what i mean, for the people following at home.	[01:40]
ozbot	Fraud.org - Penny auctions may 2013	[01:40]
dotcoin	i mean before bitcoinbourse was not good enough for you guys,	[01:40]
dotcoin	than we create and redesign new	[01:40]
dotcoin	than you always not happy with it	[01:41]
kakobrekla	dotcoin a scam in a nice box is still a scam	[01:41]
kakobrekla	not trying to imply you have a nice box, just saying.	[01:41]
davout	and a retard with moar css is still a retard	[01:41]
dotcoin	and do you have any scammed people here kakobrekla are you scammed by me?	[01:41]
kakobrekla	dotcoin your approaches are scammy	[01:41]
davout	"not trying to imply you have a nice box" <<< lmao	[01:41]
dotcoin	tell me are you scammed by me?	[01:42]
davout	dotcoin: look, nobody here is stupid enough to get scammed by you	[01:42]
davout	(except jurov maybe)	[01:42]
dotcoin	davout you have a mirror yes? look at famous foundation and bitcoin central	[01:42]
davout	XD	[01:42]
mircea_popescu	davout lmao ziiing	[01:42]
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dotcoin	we was never been down 4 month for been hacked	[01:42]
davout	dotcoin: yo, what about it ?	[01:42]
mircea_popescu	dotcoin why would somebody hack you ?	[01:42]
kakobrekla	dotcoin you are scamming us out of our time with being retarded	[01:43]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla yes but im not gonna down him because i do not wish to be the evil tyrant	[01:43]
davout	kakobrekla: no, fuck that, the laugh is worth it	[01:43]
dotcoin	lol	[01:43]
kakobrekla	fine have him but i pay for logs server.	[01:43]
kakobrekla	running low on packets.	[01:43]
dotcoin	the script kiddies here even have no plan to shut down a wordpress site	[01:44]
jurov	kakobrekla: you can offset it by offering assbot ad slots	[01:44]
kakobrekla	lol	[01:44]
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davout	jurov kakobrekla that'd be a complementary business model for this guy -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=603670.msg6658822	[01:45]
dotcoin	but ok i see there is no serious discussion here everyone accuse other of scam thats all	[01:45]
jurov	dotcoin because you evade the questions	[01:45]
davout	dotcoin: what about bitcoin-central and the french association ?	[01:45]
jurov	i am asking, how can you consider the order book usable?	[01:45]
jurov	for example you can't easily find lowest offer	[01:46]
mircea_popescu	but ok i see there is no serious discussion here << i lolled.	[01:46]
dotcoin	you not can find lowest offer?	[01:46]
jurov	it's confusing whether it's about bid/ask side	[01:46]
mircea_popescu	i not can find word order in soup!	[01:46]
davout	dotcoin: also your buy and sell are backwards	[01:47]
davout	Buy: 338.00 € Sell: 301.00 €	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	davout don't you do it that way in france ?	[01:47]
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davout	!up dotcoin	[01:47]
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davout	mircea_popescu: whaddaya mean	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	jurov definitely, i tell you. he's taken a software package intended for a penny auction site and hacked it together. it's so fucking obvious. that pseudo "book" could no other way be explained.	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	davout backwards.	[01:48]
davout	in the butt?	[01:48]
jurov	dotcoin, also, how you set a order expiration of 100 days for yourself? why no one other can set it?	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	buttwards	[01:48]
davout	we do it backwards but it looks forward, think moonwalk	[01:49]
dotcoin	order expirations of 100 days are for merchants only, if you want list shares you can do and your orders will be run as long you want	[01:49]
jurov	"shares merchant"?	[01:50]
dotcoin	yes	[01:50]
jurov	that kind fits	[01:50]
jurov	:D	[01:50]
dotcoin	there are no bitcoin orders longer than 3 days	[01:50]
mircea_popescu	why not ?	[01:50]
mircea_popescu	what if im going on vacation ? what if i just met a highschooler with nice tits ?	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	either usually takes me > 3 days	[01:51]
davout	mircea_popescu: because he uses an evaluation copy mebbe	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	x.X	[01:51]
dotcoin	i guess it makes no sense, when bitcoin price jumps up and down	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	why not 2 days then.	[01:51]
dotcoin	you sell bitcoins and go vacation?	[01:51]
kakobrekla	i think 10 min is more appropriate.	[01:52]
dotcoin	you can cancel your order when you need	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	am i fucking confused ? is this bourse thing a bitcoin exchange or a bitcoin stock exchange ?	[01:52]
jurov	no. it's bitcoin stock merchant	[01:52]
davout	mircea_popescu: stock exchange + P2P bitcoin exchange, amirite dotcoin?	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	so then wtf has the price of bitcoin to do with anything	[01:52]
dotcoin	it was started as bitcoin exchange, now we focus to going full to bitcoin stock exchange, as we not want competition with the big ones like bc	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	bc became big at some point ?!	[01:53]
davout	haha, i knew it was coming	[01:53]
dotcoin	in what point	[01:53]
bounce	relative, I'm sure	[01:53]
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mircea_popescu	pankkake seriously, you feel like articulating wtf you hate about altcoins quite so viscerally ?	[01:54]
davout	dotcoin: don't you also have a P2P exchange, sort of like localbitcoins?	[01:54]
dotcoin	maybe but this is not my problem i am not jealous of other people	[01:54]
mircea_popescu	im sure nobody'll be like, "o, we no like pankkake anymoar now", even if they think your idea is dumb	[01:54]
jurov	davout yes it's everything on bitcoinbourse, both btceur and stocks	[01:54]
pankkake	yes, I started a blog article. and it should start with "I don't hate altcoins, "hate" is a word used by faggots, I just think they are a fraud"	[01:54]
davout	pankkake: wai u hate faggots?	[01:55]
dotcoin	yes read @davout, told here we have p2p like localbitcoins but now we focus on stock exchange, so the french market is free for you enjoy we don't need that	[01:55]
kakobrekla	i think the just hates hate	[01:55]
pankkake	davout: yeah they make noises with their bikes	[01:55]
jurov	oh and bitcoincard is there too, never dared to try that	[01:55]
mircea_popescu	pankkake kay, i'll read it. ping here when done	[01:55]
dotcoin	bitcoincard yes	[01:55]
dotcoin	you can try	[01:56]
pankkake	there is actually a lot of things I want to write in, so it will take a while, but I want to write it instead of arguing endlessly / being MAD	[01:56]
dotcoin	you can order from anywhere in europe	[01:56]
mircea_popescu	smart choice.	[01:56]
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davout	pankkake: arguing endlessly without getting mad is a skill in itself	[01:57]
bounce	well, not if you're mad starting out	[01:57]
kakobrekla	getting mad without an argument also.	[01:57]
davout	bounce: if you're already mad, arguing doesn't really sound like a good idea anyway	[01:57]
davout	kakobrekla: yo, just fuck shit up from time to time, randomly	[01:58]
bounce	tell it to the people in the madhouse	[01:58]
pankkake	davout: yes, I usually don't get mad when I don't respect my adversary	[01:59]
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pankkake	I mean don't have any respect for	[02:00]
davout	pankkake: wait, you're saying you're more inclined to become mad whenever you have respect for the person you argue with ?	[02:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.00591 = 0.591 BTC [-]	[02:01]
davout	i guess what you mean is that you take it more seriously then, amirite?	[02:01]
pankkake	yes	[02:01]
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pankkake	well, I don't accept that people that are not dumb have dumb (i.e. not mine) opinions	[02:02]
bounce	you don't go for anything less but ideological world domination, do you?	[02:02]
davout	bounce: it just makes him mad to have a cognitive dissonnance	[02:02]
jurov	your opinions are never dumb?	[02:03]
jurov	pankkake ^	[02:03]
pankkake	well, when I realize they're dumb I change them	[02:03]
davout	"i see this guy as smart, but i see his opinion as dumb, AAAARRGH dissonnance"	[02:03]
davout	pankkake: try with dotcoin :D	[02:04]
bounce	such gandhi	[02:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 21 @ 0.00580523 = 0.1219 BTC [-] {4}	[02:04]
pankkake	I don't want to argue with him, I don't know what's his deal	[02:04]
bounce	so ask him gdr	[02:04]
pankkake	basically I just linked to what others said	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	pankkake: wait, you're saying you're more inclined to become mad whenever you have respect for the person you argue with ? << this is how it works yes	[02:04]
davout	which makes sense	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	otherwise you'd spend your time angry at the pet rocks	[02:05]
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davout	mircea_popescu: i was actually thinking about the alternative of not getting mad, in either case	[02:06]
davout	but i can perfectly understand that if you perceive the person you are arguing with as intelligent, it makes the arguing exercise different	[02:07]
pankkake	well. if you argue in public with someone dumb, your objective should be completely different	[02:08]
pankkake	you're not necessarily trying to convince him	[02:08]
davout	the sanest attitude in such a case is double: make other readers hear your point, have some fun	[02:08]
pankkake	yeah	[02:08]
davout	if some fucktards end up calling you a troll you can count it as a success	[02:09]
davout	to get back to the dotcoin case, it's slightly weird, because he doesn't display the usual bitcointalk scammer attributes	[02:09]
mircea_popescu	i always cunt it as a success	[02:09]
davout	lel	[02:09]
mircea_popescu	davout maybe his mastery of the english language doesn't permit him to ?	[02:09]
davout	mircea_popescu: no i was thinking more about the fact that he's not anonymous	[02:10]
mircea_popescu	intentionally ?	[02:10]
davout	no, i sense no intention of hiding his identity	[02:10]
mircea_popescu	https://www.hydro.uni-freiburg.de/staff/weiler is he this guy ?	[02:10]
mircea_popescu	and for that matter, neither is dr foreskin anonymous	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	he's just well known to be a fucktard irl too, so what's he got to lose.	[02:11]
davout	yep, this guy	[02:11]
dotcoin	i not have need to hide anything	[02:11]
davout	https://bitcoinbourse.eu/about <<< has the real name on it	[02:11]
ozbot	BitcoinBourse.eu - decentralised market place to buy and sell Bitcoin person to person Welcome to th	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	Director of the Chair	[02:11]
mircea_popescu		[02:11]
mircea_popescu	Chair of Hydrology	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	Albert-Ludwigs-University of Freiburg	[02:11]
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mircea_popescu	dude no fucking way somebody that looks too young to have a phd even can be what i assume is a head of a department	[02:11]
davout	mircea_popescu: otoh, hydrology...	[02:12]
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mircea_popescu	anyone emailed that address ?	[02:12]
davout	"yep, i have correctly identified this glass as containing water"	[02:12]
davout	what address ?	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	https://www.hydro.uni-freiburg.de/mitarbeiter/picmail/weiler.gif	[02:12]
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mircea_popescu	because otherwise freiburg uni is like 600 years old.	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	not exactly a random diploma mill	[02:13]
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mircea_popescu	moar like germany's nobel prize mill	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	(heidegger's uni)	[02:14]
dotcoin	you want email me? contact@bitcoinbourse.eu	[02:14]
davout	midnightmagic: aaah, i thought you were still on dr foreskin	[02:14]
kakobrekla	could be name collision	[02:14]
mircea_popescu	plus hayek, husserl if memory serves etc	[02:14]
davout	dotcoin: "you want email me? contact@bitcoinbourse.eu" <<< that's the wrongest answer you could've come up with	[02:14]
dotcoin	tell me why	[02:14]
kakobrekla	davout well, he could give out an @yahoo one.	[02:15]
mircea_popescu	dotcoin we're not interested in emailing you as the bitcoin bourse fuckwit. we're interested in emailing you as markus whatever, to verify davout's theory that you're not behaving like the average forum scammer.	[02:15]
bounce	we tell lies/ sweet little lies/	[02:15]
davout	dotcoin: because you are being asked if you are in fact head of hydrology at the freiburg university	[02:15]
davout	mircea_popescu: where did you find this address anyway? the name sounds like a common german one	[02:15]
davout	probably a homonym	[02:16]
mircea_popescu	davout intel popped it for me. https://www.hydro.uni-freiburg.de/staff/weiler	[02:16]
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davout	anyway, my point was that he has actual corporate details on his bourse about page	[02:16]
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davout	mircea_popescu: no, that's not him	[02:16]
davout	not the same weiler	[02:16]
mircea_popescu	davout so then for all you know this is NOT an actual name.	[02:16]
dotcoin	there exist many weiler same as many Francois i guess	[02:17]
davout	mircea_popescu: i know for a fact that the name is real	[02:17]
mircea_popescu	davout a you do ? how ?	[02:17]
davout	and that it matches the details posted	[02:17]
pankkake	the company is registered	[02:17]
davout	mircea_popescu: intel	[02:17]
mircea_popescu	a ok then.	[02:17]
davout	pankkake: better intel	[02:17]
pankkake	amd?	[02:18]
davout	badum_tss.wav	[02:18]
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davout	!up dotcoin	[02:18]
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kakobrekla	round #3	[02:18]
kakobrekla	dingding*	[02:18]
davout	LOL	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	ima go explore a vagina. don't make a mess of popcorn around here meanwhile!	[02:19]
Apocalyptic	because otherwise freiburg uni is like 600 years old. // you're sure about this ?	[02:19]
davout	mircea_popescu: you make it sound like it's a large one XD	[02:20]
jurov	so dotcoin, you insist the orderbook is completely fine despite everyone else saying it is not?	[02:20]
pankkake	must be your mom's then	[02:21]
jurov	okay. so why you can't publish trades? that's completely normal thing all exchanges do	[02:21]
bounce	established 1457, so 557 years	[02:21]
davout	pankkake: leave my mom's orderbook alone	[02:21]
dotcoin	not saying that, but is momently status of order book	[02:21]
davout	dotcoin: well then, say "thank you for pointing that out, i'll be working on it"	[02:21]
dotcoin	you are shareholder jurov you have right to send us your feedback	[02:22]
jurov	dotcoin, in fact i don't want to be anymore. but have no other option	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic ya	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	omg ppls stop dinging me i think it's important ;/	[02:23]
jurov	hm, prolly i'll move all shares to pankkake and watch whatever ensues	[02:23]
pankkake	please no	[02:24]
jurov	pankkake: what's your bbs account?	[02:24]
davout	!b 3	[02:24]
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jurov	so dotcoin, when approximately can we expect public trades feed?	[02:25]
pankkake	I've been quite happy to sell off all my havecocks at a loss	[02:25]
pankkake	no need for more things	[02:25]
dotcoin	@jurov we will see how we do	[02:26]
jurov	you pull the code off crystal ball or what?	[02:27]
pankkake	perhaps you should write a bourse broker (sounds painful, I wouldn't want my bourses broken)	[02:28]
dotcoin	but what exactly you want see, you see already how many shares from company xyz was listed and how much was left on sale!	[02:28]
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jurov	dotcoin you ever use any stock exchange? every one of them publishes what trades were done	[02:29]
BigBitz	DEMTRADES.	[02:29]
dotcoin	there is all there, if 10k shares was on listing and tomorrow are only 5000 means that 500 are sold, there is no order book need	[02:30]
davout	dotcoin: making the information public is also not optional	[02:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23650 @ 0.00087799 = 20.7645 BTC [-]	[02:30]
dotcoin	yes i use and i know but i not must copy them as system works like this	[02:30]
BigBitz	publically listed companies with no publically listed ledgers for buys/sells? :o	[02:30]
davout	dotcoin: how would you know there were 10k shares yesterday without an order book ?	[02:31]
dotcoin	but guys you talking about things like cryptostocks do	[02:31]
dotcoin	the merchant have to know where the shares are gone	[02:31]
dotcoin	not the public	[02:31]
jurov	like NYSE. NASDAQ and everyone else!	[02:31]
dotcoin	you want see where are the shareholders? do you see on your bank the shareholder names of a company?	[02:32]
BigBitz	Yeah if NASDAQ can run their engine for longer than 2mins :P	[02:32]
jurov	dotcoin "public has no right to any information" is a scammer attitude	[02:32]
davout	dotcoin: how can the public have an idea of what the state of the market is without an order book ?	[02:32]
dotcoin	do you see on Nyse or nasdaq the name of the shareholder?	[02:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30867 @ 0.00087727 = 27.0787 BTC [-] {2}	[02:32]
BigBitz	dotcoin: Yes.	[02:32]
BigBitz	OF course.	[02:32]
dotcoin	public have right of course	[02:32]
Apocalyptic	do you see on Nyse or nasdaq the name of the shareholder? // no	[02:32]
dotcoin	but privacy exists also	[02:32]
Apocalyptic	but you see the trades for every single trading day	[02:32]
davout	dotcoin: you seem to be confused about what an order book is	[02:32]
dotcoin	we can't show shareholders	[02:33]
BigBitz	You don't need to show people...	[02:33]
dotcoin	we can show how many shares are sold yes	[02:33]
BigBitz	You need to show trades :)	[02:33]
dotcoin	but this is already there	[02:33]
Apocalyptic	how many / when / at what price	[02:33]
davout	dotcoin: you need to show offers to buy and sell, publicly, not who is posting these orders	[02:33]
Apocalyptic	in a nice table	[02:33]
davout	dotcoin: https://bitcoin-central.net/page/stats/orders <<< this is an order book	[02:33]
dotcoin	there are offers to buy and sell, of course, the only one not is there are not showing sold shares thats correct	[02:34]
davout	dotcoin: http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.MPOE <<< on the rigth side of this page is also an order book	[02:34]
dotcoin	yes guys think like taht is under development	[02:35]
BigBitz	"under development"	[02:35]
BigBitz	how do you close books/trades/orders if you don't know who buys/sells what?	[02:35]
BigBitz	You surely have the data at hand.	[02:35]
BigBitz	You're just not presenting it.	[02:35]
BigBitz	That shouldn't take a mammoth development task.	[02:35]
bounce	"Bitcoin Central is loading..."	[02:36]
dotcoin	many other things in todo list, so i not give them so much priority yet as i don't know this classifieds me as scammer	[02:36]
davout	bounce: javascript?	[02:36]
dotcoin	this not needs a month	[02:36]
BigBitz	You don't think not publishing trade information on a trading platform is a positive?	[02:36]
davout	dotcoin: this does classifies you as completely unqualified to run a stock exchange, that's all	[02:37]
dotcoin	thats not correct as i tell you already there is all to see	[02:37]
bounce	it's on. likely some js lib ruthlessly breaking backward compatability.	[02:37]
pankkake	bitcoin-central.net actually requires requests to google to work	[02:38]
pankkake	so much for not using cloudflare!	[02:38]
Apocalyptic	that's bothersome	[02:38]
dotcoin	@davout and you are qualified to run a bitcoin exchange?	[02:38]
bounce	just so you know, this is not twittar.	[02:38]
davout	pankkake: you serious about the google thing? shame on me	[02:38]
dotcoin	hosting on 1&1	[02:38]
pankkake	I think so, unless it's only for the font	[02:38]
dotcoin	using cloudfare	[02:38]
dotcoin	bravo	[02:38]
pankkake	I have a RequestPolicy authorization at least	[02:39]
BigBitz	What do you want him to do? use SFTI? :)	[02:39]
Apocalyptic	hosting on 1&1 // they are on online afaik	[02:39]
Apocalyptic	and no cloudfare	[02:39]
davout	pankkake: it's only for the font, nothing remotely comparable to cloudflare	[02:39]
Duffer1	!up twizt_	[02:39]
assbot	Voicing twizt_ for 30 minutes.	[02:39]
*	assbot gives voice to twizt_	[02:39]
twizt_	dotcoin: you dont have to reveal customer information	[02:39]
twizt_	you can just show the last market trade, by symbol, price quantity	[02:40]
davout	dotcoin: as a matter of fact i am, i am also certainly not using cloudflare or hosting with 1&1	[02:40]
dotcoin	@twizt yes and we don't do	[02:40]
pankkake	I see a request to recaptcha too, weird	[02:40]
dotcoin	@davout or ovh	[02:40]
twizt_	y not	[02:40]
twizt_	cuz for all anyone knows ur hiding true volume	[02:40]
twizt_	which is hella illegal	[02:41]
davout	dotcoin: get a clue before spouting nonsense	[02:41]
twizt_	if you are a 'public venue'	[02:41]
davout	dotcoin: also get an order book	[02:41]
twizt_	how are u p2p decentralized with all 'customer doesnt need to know' attitude	[02:41]
twizt_	dafuq	[02:41]
davout	pankkake: because pre-load	[02:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54780 @ 0.00087656 = 48.018 BTC [-] {2}	[02:41]
dotcoin	we hidde nothing thats is do anyone from you go inside the bourse and take a view and read all? than you see there is nothing hidden there is all transparent	[02:41]
BigBitz	dotcoin what is your reason for not providing volume information/trade information?	[02:41]
twizt_	to hide volume lol	[02:41]
BigBitz	( other than the obvious )	[02:42]
davout	pankkake: if you want to not make the requests you can use teh API :D	[02:42]
davout	-> https://github.com/Paymium/api-documentation	[02:42]
dotcoin	we provide them so why you talking that when it's not true	[02:42]
davout	dotcoin: URLs?	[02:42]
dotcoin	example company 1 list 100k shares	[02:42]
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dotcoin	than you see how much shares are on sold left	[02:43]
twizt_	what about after	[02:43]
twizt_	what about secondary trading information	[02:43]
twizt_	after primary quantities are sold off	[02:43]
dotcoin	if you see only 80k tomorrow on sale means 20k are sold you need a calculator for that	[02:43]
BigBitz	Christ...	[02:44]
davout	dotcoin: seriously, shut up and get cracking	[02:44]
BigBitz	!down dotcoin	[02:44]
*	assbot removes voice from dotcoin	[02:44]
davout	!down dotcoin	[02:44]
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twizt_	so after all ipo shares sold, the secondary trading goes dark? lol	[02:44]
davout	LOL	[02:44]
BigBitz	:)	[02:44]
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BigBitz	;;gpg info dotcoin	[02:44]
gribble	No such user registered.	[02:44]
twizt_	poorly designed exchange	[02:45]
BigBitz	and people wonder why Bitcoin gets a bad name.	[02:45]
davout	poor guy is probably still talking in the chan	[02:45]
BigBitz	Probably...	[02:45]
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Duffer1	lmao	[02:45]
BigBitz	U GUYS DONT NO NETHING	[02:46]
BigBitz	this is best way 2 run things	[02:46]
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BigBitz	buy 100k sell 80k means 20k left	[02:46]
BigBitz	dumb dumbs	[02:46]
BigBitz	ETC.	[02:46]
davout	dotcoin: we can not see what you type, go do your homework and come back when it's ready, if ever	[02:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3341 @ 0.00087636 = 2.9279 BTC [-]	[02:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03120572 = 0.156 BTC [-] {3}	[02:46]
BigBitz	davout perhaps he is making iceberg/dark pools his important developmental opportunity.	[02:47]
BigBitz	trading volume isn't important, right?	[02:47]
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davout	i'd be very interested in an explanation about why it is that bitcoin attracts two radically opposite demographics	[02:48]
davout	smart people	[02:48]
davout	and the terminally retarded	[02:48]
BigBitz	Sadly I don't think I am either of those.	[02:48]
davout	there doesn't seem to be a lot of the average	[02:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03115904 = 0.1558 BTC [-]	[02:48]
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BigBitz	wooooo!	[02:49]
pankkake	bitcoin has this image of free money	[02:49]
pankkake	you can make them with your computar	[02:49]
davout	which it is	[02:50]
davout	but somehow i feel like a lot of people come to it with the wrong idea o "fair money"	[02:50]
davout	"fair" in the sense of "democratic" or "equal"	[02:50]
pankkake	well, they realize it doesn't grow on trees and are upset	[02:50]
davout	there's this too	[02:51]
jurov	actually many smart people are repelled first.. especially these that expect thing working properly according to rules	[02:51]
jurov	*things	[02:51]
davout	i think that's more the retarded that act as a repellent to the smart	[02:52]
pankkake	yeah, I stayed away from bitcoin because it seemed full of teenagers	[02:52]
pankkake	that had no idea what they were doing	[02:53]
pankkake	I guess I shouldn't have	[02:53]
davout	radium, discovered by highschoolers indeed	[02:54]
bounce	http://pastebin.ca/2738708	[02:54]
benkay	;;ticker	[02:54]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 456.17, Best ask: 457.9, Bid-ask spread: 1.73000, Last trade: 457.0, 24 hour volume: 4100.46574537, 24 hour low: 449.79, 24 hour high: 459.24, 24 hour vwap: 453.886482405	[02:54]
pankkake	the success stories, i.e. bitcoin prices, or asicminer in the past, made people want to throw money at it	[02:54]
benkay	;;calc 0.004 * 456	[02:54]
gribble	1.824	[02:54]
davout	bounce: the info in there is accurate	[02:55]
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bounce	says you, why?	[02:56]
benkay	http://www.bitronictech.net/bitcoin-vps.php	[02:56]
benkay	not bad pricing on these	[02:56]
davout	bounce: because i know	[02:56]
davout	benkay: going there tomorrow, you jelly? -> http://www.theatrechampselysees.fr/recital-et-musique-de-chambre/concerts-du-dimanche-matin/sol-gabetta-bertrand-chamayou	[02:56]
bounce	you suck at the coughing man in a raincoat act	[02:56]
BigBitz	BitVPS best VPS, benkay!	[02:56]
davout	bounce: that's because i'm more like the cop that's looking up his cop DB	[02:57]
jurov	BigBitz: they pay you for it?	[02:57]
pankkake	benkay: so who are they? many fiat vps do not live for long. I've experienced one disappearing for example	[02:57]
bounce	so you did whois and got the same info	[02:57]
BigBitz	jurov nobody pays me anything.	[02:57]
pankkake	it was real cheap, though :D	[02:57]
benkay	BigBitz: rly?	[02:58]
davout	bounce: look, if I did that i would say "i did a whois", it just so happens that i have more information, and of much better quality than you do, what's so complicated about that ?	[02:58]
pankkake	http://lowendbox.com/ is a pretty good source of info on vps hosts	[02:59]
jurov	BigBitz: did bitvps regain any referral? i don't see any	[02:59]
benkay	pankkake: some nobody http://www.linkedin.com/pub/bryan-apperson/65/1bb/147	[02:59]
BigBitz	davout you're a cop? :o	[02:59]
bounce	says you. to me that's all claims and refusals to back'em up	[02:59]
davout	BigBitz: hehe in some ways i'd say	[02:59]
pankkake	well, usually you just check they have been in business for a while and not high schoolers	[03:00]
davout	bounce: i seriously don't give the slightest shit about you believing me or not	[03:00]
BigBitz	That escalated quickly.	[03:00]
pankkake	I see they were active in 2012 at least	[03:01]
jurov	pankkake: talking about bitvps?	[03:01]
pankkake	no, bitronic	[03:01]
benkay	davout: wish i were there	[03:02]
davout	benkay: i'll send you the CD :D	[03:02]
benkay	such a gentleman	[03:02]
jurov	I worked with ordering materials and grading terrain for masonry/construction.	[03:03]
jurov	:)	[03:03]
BigBitz	Ah.	[03:03]
BigBitz	You're not a cop.	[03:03]
BigBitz	You're the bitcoin-central guy.	[03:03]
BigBitz	:)	[03:03]
jurov	he can still be undercover	[03:04]
BigBitz	I would be surprised.	[03:04]
BigBitz	You know how the French are.	[03:04]
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jurov	hmm..i do not?	[03:04]
BigBitz	nor do I but it seemed like something to say :/	[03:04]
BigBitz	work shy, etc.	[03:04]
bounce	who's french now?	[03:04]
davout	BigBitz: yes, that would be me :)	[03:04]
BigBitz	davout, I guess.	[03:05]
BigBitz	:)	[03:05]
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bounce		[03:05]
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[\]	mircea_popescu, I'm a scammer?	[03:06]
BigBitz	I doubt that.	[03:07]
jurov	don't zing him, he's fucking	[03:07]
davout	kakobrekla: [\] is fucking with the log :D	[03:07]
kakobrekla	not this time!	[03:07]
davout	"[]: mircea_popescu, I'm a scammer?"	[03:07]
davout	kakobrekla: the backslashes, what have you done	[03:08]
jurov	orly?	[03:08]
BigBitz	\\\\	[03:08]
davout	brb, XSS'ing teh log	[03:08]
jurov	orly? \r \\n	[03:08]
kakobrekla	doo et!	[03:08]
pankkake		[03:08]
*	davout is now known as \\\\\\	[03:08]
\\\\\\	yo	[03:09]
bounce	add moar \u2603	[03:09]
*	[\] is now known as [\\\\\\\]	[03:09]
[\\\\\\\]	I got you	[03:09]
BigBitz	Nooooooo.	[03:09]
BigBitz	too many slashes.	[03:09]
[\\\\\\\]	you're right	[03:09]
*	[\\\\\\\] is now known as pirateat40	[03:09]
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BigBitz	uhohs.	[03:09]
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	hm	[03:10]
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BigBitz	such compliacte.	[03:11]
kakobrekla	fuck you all im gonna set it to +m if you keep acting like this.	[03:11]
davout	haha, u mad	[03:11]
BigBitz	poor kakobrekla :(	[03:11]
BigBitz	UMADBRO?	[03:11]
jurov	kakobrekla: better make assbot kick any nick it can't parse	[03:11]
davout	the funny part is that this convo will look completely retarded when read in the logs	[03:11]
davout	assbot set mode +b on assbot	[03:12]
BigBitz	Just +b !@*	[03:12]
BigBitz	SHUT.	[03:12]
davout	back in 1988 : "MAKE A SHORTCUT THAT POINTS TO ITSELF, SEE WHAT HAPPENS"	[03:12]
BigBitz	IT.	[03:12]
BigBitz	DOWN.	[03:12]
bounce	@ negates +b though	[03:12]
BigBitz	such circual	[03:12]
davout	s/1988/1998/	[03:12]
*	pirateat40 is now known as [\]	[03:13]
[\]	kakobrekla, it is +m	[03:13]
kakobrekla	i know, that was the joke.	[03:13]
[\]	well fuck you, it wasn't funny	[03:14]
davout	i thought it was :D	[03:14]
[\]	I just saw the random highlight and I couldn't tell if mircea_popescu was calling me a scammer or if he knows me and scammers	[03:14]
BigBitz	any more of this and it's -m and we invite dotcoin back.	[03:14]
[\]	hot damn	[03:15]
[\]	!	[03:15]
davout	BigBitz: he's not that bad-behaved, just thick	[03:15]
BigBitz	isn't that worse?	[03:15]
bounce	you'll have to round up some substitute scammers from -otc instead; he's off-line	[03:15]
[\]	BigBitz, they invented this neat little thing	[03:15]
[\]	its called /ignore	[03:15]
[\]	so awesome	[03:15]
BigBitz	for?	[03:15]
[\]	/ignore * #bitcoin-assets	[03:15]
BigBitz	Ohhh.	[03:15]
davout	BigBitz: maybe i'm completely stupid but there's a part in me that says there's a (very smallà probability that he might be saved	[03:15]
pankkake	a think and a thief	[03:15]
BigBitz	there is also... you may not know this one...	[03:15]
pankkake	thick	[03:16]
BigBitz	but there is also /part	[03:16]
[\]	BigBitz: /hop is fun	[03:16]
BigBitz	hehe	[03:16]
bounce	so is /so	[03:16]
[\]	do while 1>0 /hop	[03:16]
davout	such irc pros	[03:16]
BigBitz	such hops.	[03:16]
Apocalyptic	^	[03:16]
*	davout looks up /hop	[03:16]
bounce	hip hop or dance dance dance revolution?	[03:16]
[\]	davout: /hop = /part + /join	[03:17]
[\]	DDR	[03:17]
kakobrekla	only fag clients have hop	[03:17]
davout	[\]: yea, saw that	[03:17]
[\]	kakobrekla, you're mom's a fag	[03:17]
[\]	fuck	[03:17]
kakobrekla	your mom is my mom	[03:17]
[\]	your*	[03:17]
davout	such owned	[03:17]
[\]	still fag	[03:17]
BigBitz	It's half-op someplaces, depends :)	[03:17]
kakobrekla	same	[03:17]
BigBitz	IT's basically /cycle	[03:17]
[\]	some networks use halfop	[03:17]
[\]	they're good for banning	[03:18]
[\]	that's about it	[03:18]
BigBitz	Yup.	[03:18]
davout	kakobrekla: wtf are you still doing here, don't you have a log to fix?	[03:18]
bounce	go big or go home	[03:18]
[\]	bounce, no wonder your mom's so fat	[03:18]
davout	that's what she said ?	[03:18]
kakobrekla	davout notrly, [\] needs to fix his nick	[03:18]
[\]	kakobrekla, I already did	[03:18]
bounce	phail	[03:18]
[\]	its interesting how many people have issues with it	[03:19]
davout	ok, i'm off	[03:19]
bounce	so what is the rationale for the log to parse escape sequences?	[03:19]
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[\]	bounce, because what if we do something stupid like /nick somethingounce	[03:19]
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benkay	!up wolverineks	[03:20]
assbot	Voicing wolverineks for 30 minutes.	[03:20]
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x0	test	[03:21]
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\0	test	[03:22]
\0	ick billg	[03:22]
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billg	ok sry	[03:22]
kakobrekla	\0	[03:23]
kakobrekla	see	[03:23]
billg	it works only in nick	[03:23]
billg	not in the msg	[03:23]
kakobrekla	or not work.	[03:24]
billg	it did ate the first though	[03:25]
bounce	apparently opera doesn't deal too well with actual nulls in table fields	[03:25]
[\]	:BigBitz /nick [\]ounce	[03:25]
[\]	the log fails on actions	[03:25]
billg	o it did emit NULs?	[03:25]
bounce	yeah. don't trust your browser to show them, though.	[03:26]
billg	lol yes, firefox threw them out of the DOM but they are there	[03:27]
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60script62aler	cant resist	[03:30]
bounce	do a /nick u2603 ?	[03:30]
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u2603	hm?	[03:31]
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jurov	looks it's fixed	[03:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 15 @ 0.041 = 0.615 BTC [-]	[03:31]
kakobrekla	yes you little bitches.	[03:32]
bounce	too late :(((	[03:32]
bounce	took long enough, though	[03:32]
[\]	lol	[03:32]
[\]	!up [\]	[03:32]
assbot	Really, [\]?	[03:32]
BigBitz	lol	[03:32]
[\]	yes, asshole	[03:32]
BigBitz	pwnt.	[03:32]
jurov	1up \ľščťžýáíéôň	[03:32]
[\]	!up kakobrekla	[03:33]
assbot	Voicing kakobrekla without time-limit.	[03:33]
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jurov	!up \ľščťžýáíéôň	[03:33]
assbot	Voicing \Ä¾Å¡ÄÅ¥Å¾Ã½Ã¡ÃÃ©Ã´Å for 30 minutes.	[03:33]
BigBitz	hahah	[03:33]
jurov	muhahahahahahah	[03:33]
[\]	here comes the bans	[03:33]
[\]	!up 转换菠萝	[03:33]
assbot	Voicing è½¬æ¢è è for 30 minutes.	[03:33]
bounce	log really should be using <> instead of : since copy/pasting looks wrong now	[03:34]
[\]	!up should check for if the nick is really in channel	[03:34]
assbot	Voicing should for 30 minutes.	[03:34]
[\]	lol	[03:34]
kakobrekla	nah	[03:34]
jurov	!down \ľščťžýáíéôň	[03:34]
[\]	!up shit	[03:35]
assbot	Voicing shit for 30 minutes.	[03:35]
jurov	!t m \ľščťžýáíéôň	[03:35]
assbot	I haven't understood a single word you've said since I met you, not one single word.	[03:35]
jurov	!t \ľščťžýáíéôň	[03:35]
assbot	Um, shouldn't you be with your own tribe or somethin'?	[03:35]
[\]	!up fuckers	[03:35]
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kakobrekla	are you guies like 12 or smth?	[03:35]
[\]	I'm 11, what is this?	[03:35]
kakobrekla	you need to be 12 to be here	[03:36]
[\]	good thing its my birthday tomorrow!	[03:36]
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kakobrekla	we need your dox nao	[03:36]
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bounce	can't ask minors for dox	[03:37]
kakobrekla	is ok if a minor asks	[03:37]
bounce	so youse 12 too then	[03:37]
kakobrekla	12.5	[03:38]
jurov	!up fooooobar	[03:38]
assbot	Voicing fooooobar for 30 minutes.	[03:38]
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pankkake	what is this magic	[03:38]
pankkake	!up yourbutt	[03:38]
assbot	Voicing yourbutt for 30 minutes.	[03:38]
jurov	Cannot send to channel: #bitcoin-assets	[03:38]
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[\]	you joined after the voice	[03:39]
[\]	so you didn't actually have voice	[03:39]
[\]	and now we has your ip!	[03:39]
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jurov	!up fooooobar	[03:39]
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[\]	there you go	[03:39]
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[\]	aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand its gone	[03:40]
jurov	sry to disappoint you	[03:42]
benkay	here's one ripe for yelling: http://bitbet.us/bet/771/facebook-myspaced/	[03:44]
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bounce	huh, more yes than no.	[03:49]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00087641 = 13.1462 BTC [+]	[03:58]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26994 @ 0.0008762 = 23.6521 BTC [-] {3}	[04:53]
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benkay	!up xdotcomm_	[05:00]
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xdotcomm_	benkay: hey	[05:00]
benkay	yo	[05:00]
xdotcomm_	how is portland life	[05:00]
xdotcomm_	i wish i could move there	[05:01]
xdotcomm_	my current locale is stressing me	[05:01]
benkay	why is that?	[05:01]
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kakobrekla	dafuq	[05:01]
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kakobrekla	!up xdotcomm_	[05:03]
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kakobrekla	whatevers	[05:03]
xdotcomm_	ok so now i am voiced	[05:03]
kakobrekla	anyway ozbot is down i made a better(?) url title parser	[05:03]
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benkay	!down xdotcomm_	[05:04]
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kakobrekla	here's one ripe for yelling: http://bitbet.us/bet/771/facebook-myspaced/	[05:04]
assbot	BitBet - Facebook Myspace'd :: 5.03 B (61%) on Yes, 3.16 B (39%) on No \| closing in 8 months 2 weeks \| weight: 78`618 (100`000 to 1)	[05:04]
benkay	!up xdotcomm_	[05:04]
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kakobrekla	this failed before.	[05:04]
xdotcomm_	whats happpening	[05:04]
benkay	neat kakobrekla	[05:04]
kakobrekla	yee	[05:04]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 16 @ 0.00659998 = 0.1056 BTC [+] {3}	[05:22]
pactr	Panadol_____ pankkake parseval_ paxtoncamaro91 Perlboy phf phish pigeons pizzaman1337 PsychoticBoy Pucilowski punkman	[05:24]
mircea_popescu	[\] i wasn't calling you a scammer, but i guess you ended up in dubious company	[05:24]
mircea_popescu	dotcoin: there is all there, if 10k shares was on listing and tomorrow are only 5000 means that 500 are sold, there is no order book need << epic	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	i will save this for jurov if he ever has complaints.	[05:25]
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mircea_popescu	pankkake: bitcoin-central.net actually requires requests to google to work << what da sheit	[05:34]
mircea_popescu	davout: i'd be very interested in an explanation about why it is that bitcoin attracts two radically opposite demographics << because the smart and the terminally retarded are the only groups that don't know how smart they actually are.	[05:36]
artifexd	http://tylervigen.com/	[05:36]
artifexd	No ozbot? http://tylervigen.com/ is "Things that correlate". A bunch of graphs of completely unrelated things that appear to be related when graphed on top of each other.	[05:37]
mircea_popescu	dealdujour.pro ? srsly ?	[05:37]
mircea_popescu	artifexd this is where twitter politicos/influencers/journos/other derps get their fascinating groundbreaking articles ?	[05:38]
artifexd	Could be. Just goes to prove that we can reduce oil imports by banning chickens.	[05:39]
artifexd	^ http://tylervigen.com/view_correlation?id=2751	[05:39]
kakobrekla	assbot should pick that up	[05:41]
kakobrekla	dunno, perhaps it timeouts	[05:41]
kakobrekla	http://bitcoin-assets.com	[05:42]
assbot	#bitcoin-assets \| You cannot stop the clouds by the building of a ship.	[05:42]
kakobrekla	werks	[05:42]
artifexd	http://tylervigen.com	[05:42]
benkay	.bait	[05:42]
*	artifexd shrugs	[05:42]
benkay	https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7727495	[05:45]
assbot	Right in the middle of a major push to production. Awesome. \| Hacker News	[05:45]
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benkay	oh you have a dependency on a software as a service during your production push? gj	[05:45]
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kakobrekla	http://tylervigen.com	[05:46]
kakobrekla	dunno.	[05:46]
benkay	https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7727505 // o lol	[05:46]
assbot	It's too bad git requires a central server. \| Hacker News	[05:46]
mircea_popescu	in other news, check out the abundance of this guy's trademarking efforts :	[05:47]
mircea_popescu	http://www.trademarkia.co.uk/uk/correspondent-markus-weiler-1-90158	[05:47]
assbot	Weiler, Deal du Jour SARL, 45 allee des Ormes, - European Trademarks Correspondent	[05:47]
mircea_popescu	"The Bitcoin Bank"	[05:48]
mircea_popescu	"Croisswich - le Croissant Sandwich"	[05:48]
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kakobrekla	http://tylervigen.com	[05:48]
assbot	Things that correlate	[05:48]
artifexd	o/	[05:49]
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kakobrekla	twas a redirect.	[05:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25633 @ 0.00087852 = 22.5191 BTC [+] {2}	[05:50]
mircea_popescu	ahaha this gets even better. davout pankkake Apocalyptic :	[05:51]
mircea_popescu	http://www.rpise.fr/IMG/pdf/arret_du_07-03-2012_11-10481_-_Traite_EG.pdf	[05:51]
mircea_popescu	Le 11 août 2010 la S.A.R.L. FRANCOTEL a déposé à l'Institut National de la Propriété Industrielle	[05:52]
mircea_popescu	2 une demande d'enregistrement n° 10/3759889 de la marque verbale pour les classes 36 et 38. Le 17 novembre suivant la société états-unienne GOOGLE INC., titulaire de la marque verbale antérieure déposée le 14 décembre 2006 sous le n° 06 3 469 535 pour les classes 16, 35 et 42, a formé opposition.	[05:52]
mircea_popescu	guy asks for 25k euro damages in ordinary and further 5k for abus de droit (:D) and also that google loses the adwords mark for class 35 in france.	[05:54]
mircea_popescu	La Cour, statuant en dernier ressort et par arrêt contradictoire. [...] Condamne en outre la S.A.R.L. FRANCOTEL à payer à la société GOOGLE INC. une indemnité de	[05:56]
mircea_popescu	5 000,00 euros au titre de l'article 700 du Code de Procédure Civile.	[05:56]
mircea_popescu	that worked well.	[05:56]
mircea_popescu	so listen dotcoin, did you ever pay that 10k or do you still owe google ?	[05:58]
mircea_popescu	wait, there's moar :	[06:00]
mircea_popescu	a-d-w-o-r-d-s.org A-D-W-O-R-D-S \| Association de Défense Webmasters contre les Oligopoles Rigoureux Détruisant les petites Sociétés Owner: weiler markus Registrant Street: 9 rue emmanuel philibert	[06:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00088258 = 21.0937 BTC [+] {3}	[06:04]
mircea_popescu	davout: BigBitz: maybe i'm completely stupid but there's a part in me that says there's a (very smallà probability that he might be saved << he seems just somewhat retarded in his approach to things, not really a scammer per se.	[06:05]
mircea_popescu	herpy derp, he's going to sue google and make a domain to protest "Les Oligopoles Rigoureux"	[06:06]
mircea_popescu	could be a fucken band name	[06:06]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2014#670651 check that sheit out.	[06:07]
assbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[06:07]
kakobrekla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2014#670670	[06:07]
assbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[06:07]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla i still see holes there	[06:10]
mircea_popescu	but perhaps it's teh oprah	[06:10]
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kakobrekla	what is the matter my dear?	[06:10]
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mircea_popescu	line appears where the nick should be, no nick.	[06:13]
kakobrekla	that is before #670670	[06:14]
mircea_popescu	still atm.	[06:14]
kakobrekla	yes.	[06:15]
mircea_popescu	anyway, minor point.	[06:16]
kakobrekla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2014#670661	[06:17]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 21 @ 0.00667286 = 0.1401 BTC [+] {3}	[06:23]
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mircea_popescu	!up grahvity	[07:11]
-assbot-	You voiced grahvity for 30 minutes.	[07:11]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla the assbot msging is better nao	[07:20]
kakobrekla	mhm	[07:20]
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asciilifeform	'abus de droit' ?= brit. 'barratry' ?	[07:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29000 @ 0.00087528 = 25.3831 BTC [-]	[07:31]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform not really.	[07:41]
mircea_popescu	barratry affixes to the actor, abus de droit to the deed.	[07:41]
asciilifeform	interesting	[07:42]
mircea_popescu	it's an old device left from the legal thinking of the hre	[07:42]
mircea_popescu	which had the religious notion that law can work no ill	[07:42]
mircea_popescu	(it being divine imanence)	[07:42]
asciilifeform	we ought to dig up the HREs and send them the bill for... usa	[07:43]
mircea_popescu	sending bills is only productive if you send them to the solvent.	[07:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35900 @ 0.00087755 = 31.504 BTC [+]	[07:44]
asciilifeform	lol	[07:44]
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asciilifeform	davout: people come to it with the wrong idea o "fair money" << see my original review of MPEx, for instance	[07:45]
mircea_popescu	nighty.	[07:47]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 21:58:12 2014	[14:24]
-assbot-	Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass.	[14:24]
mircea_popescu	;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:ceadbadf992d5cf91e11daa9b6b9f987abf346bac843ab9e4dc3869a	[14:25]
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mircea_popescu	!jd mpif	[14:26]
assbot	Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 164.44521602 BTC; +0.33195475 BTC (+0.2023%) since last check 18h 7m 4s ago.	[14:26]
mircea_popescu	benkay: neat kakobrekla sweet easter egg << lol we'll need a cheats site	[14:29]
mircea_popescu	check it out dub : you're a thing now. http://digitalcoin.co/forums/index.php/topic,1038.0.html	[14:30]
assbot	Coinmart April 27th Update	[14:30]
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mircea_popescu	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnUA6PACcAAmzp-.jpg << gotta love that krugman	[14:33]
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mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete: http://www.equities.com/editors-desk/currencies-forex/bitcoin-etf-means-winklevii-likely-dumped-their-64-million-in-btc <	[14:40]
assbot	Bitcoin ETF Means Winklevii Likely Dumped their $64 Million in BTC - Equities.com Global Financial Community	[14:40]
mircea_popescu	Vexual: my memory occasionaly acts like half a goldfish << one of the better liens	[14:42]
mircea_popescu	punkman there ?	[14:42]
bounce	why do those two smell so much of pathetic?	[14:48]
punkman	mircea_popescu: aye, just sat down with my tea	[14:50]
mircea_popescu	cool	[14:50]
mircea_popescu	also, i need somebody with decent computer skillz but no programming to do some data entry type work for me, anyone eager ?	[14:51]
*	bounce is totally overqualified	[14:53]
mircea_popescu	yeah srsly.	[14:53]
mircea_popescu	;;seen moiety	[14:53]
gribble	moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 9 hours, 50 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: i'll be more to renew than i was in the first place	[14:53]
mircea_popescu	jurov who do you use for shit like that ? recommend someone to me ?	[14:54]
bounce	what sort of data entry, btw?	[14:54]
mircea_popescu	the tedious boring sort, with a hint of talking to people.	[14:55]
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mircea_popescu	aok	[14:57]
mircea_popescu	we definitely don't have enough famished girlies in here.	[14:58]
bounce	you're supposed to teach them programming too these days	[14:59]
mircea_popescu	what, everyone has to program nao ?	[15:01]
bounce	ayup	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	and the cock is going to suck itself ?	[15:05]
jurov	there are robotized fleshlights nao	[15:06]
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mircea_popescu	;;seen cedivad	[15:07]
gribble	cedivad was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 6 days, 22 hours, 39 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: i actually have one, but i never really wrote about hashfast, bitcointa.lk or any other of my web-related experiences (i manage some really huge websites)...	[15:07]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell cedivad i need to steal some datas from you, pls to drop by.	[15:07]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[15:07]
jurov	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q-GU9yvh-g my search for that fleshlight ended here :DDD	[15:10]
assbot	LELY A4, CARACTERÃSTICAS DEL PRODUCTO - YouTube	[15:10]
davout	https://twitter.com/davoutplantaire/status/465459858385690624	[15:12]
assbot	Twitter / davoutplantaire: How to remotely rape NFC credit ...	[15:12]
davout	i didn't think it was that bad	[15:13]
davout	in short, you can remotely read everything on a NFC-enabled CC	[15:13]
davout	ordered the relevant dongle for fun and profit	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	yes, this has not been news for > 5 years now	[15:14]
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davout	learn stuff everyday they say!	[15:15]
davout	mircea_popescu: have a source for initial disclosure?	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	hm	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/10/nfc_security/ ?	[15:19]
assbot	Stealing credit card details via NFC is easy/pointless â¢ The Register	[15:19]
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mircea_popescu	not readily.	[15:19]
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davout_	i find stuff about mobile devices, but nothing in that range about the fact that the data simply lies unencrypted on the card with its legs wide open	[15:21]
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mircea_popescu	was that guy skora or w/e with the android app a coupla years ago...	[15:22]
mircea_popescu	it's rife with it, i don't think i have the original source nor reallyt that one exists. shit's tyoo braindamaged, too many people figured it out	[15:23]
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davout	yeah, that stuff is circa 2012, pretty much the same time range than that other guy's disclosure	[15:24]
davout	but i can totally imagine that it has been discovered much earlier	[15:24]
mircea_popescu	!up BayAreaCoins	[15:25]
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mircea_popescu	ello.	[15:25]
BayAreaCoins	Thanks	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	davout yeah there's a reason nfc is sort-of dead if yet unburied.	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	https://www.1bse.com/ << check this shit out	[15:25]
assbot	1Bse \| The First Bitcoin Stock Exchange \| BitCoin, LiteCoin, DogeCoin Hong Kong Exchange	[15:25]
davout	i can't wait to have it all setup and have a casual PAN-harvest stroll in the crowded parisian subway	[15:26]
bounce	what's the latest in nfc dongles then?	[15:26]
davout	"We are increase loading speed soon" <<< nice	[15:27]
mircea_popescu	bounce i don't even know. i don't actually know anyone that uses payments off a smartphone.	[15:27]
davout	bounce: i ordered a SCL3711, the range is probably extremely shitty	[15:27]
mircea_popescu	davout just go on the metro.	[15:27]
davout	mircea_popescu: ^ "i can't wait to have it all setup and have a casual PAN-harvest stroll in the crowded parisian subway"	[15:28]
bounce	usb stick thing then.	[15:28]
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davout	bounce: yup	[15:28]
Apocalyptic	davout yeah there's a reason nfc is sort-of dead if yet unburied. // I heard now you can't order a Mastercard or Visa card without NFC these days	[15:28]
Apocalyptic	in Slovakia	[15:28]
davout	Apocalyptic: they all have it by default now in france too	[15:29]
mircea_popescu	jesus	[15:29]
*	bounce did acquire reader kit a while back, not much in the way of tags to fsck around with though	[15:29]
Apocalyptic	davout, it's worse than that	[15:29]
davout	you can't opt out right	[15:29]
Apocalyptic	when I filled the form, I specifically told them I do NOT want NFC	[15:29]
mircea_popescu	so can you just punch out the chip or what ?	[15:29]
Apocalyptic	well, they did it anyway, and told me you can't get it without anyway	[15:29]
mircea_popescu	good reason not to use cards at all.	[15:29]
davout	mircea_popescu: if the NFC chip is embedded in the card chip you're fucked, that's prolly not the case tho	[15:29]
bounce	these things have been stuck into passports and id cards (that you're required to carry in a number of countries) too	[15:30]
mircea_popescu	davout they no longer have the magnetic stripe ?!	[15:30]
mircea_popescu	bounce romania lets you get a chipless passport.	[15:30]
davout	mircea_popescu: french cards have them but they are seldom used	[15:30]
bounce	really should make a nice app to scan and read whichever tags it can see	[15:30]
mircea_popescu	because we're so cool.	[15:30]
mircea_popescu	davout well so just use the stripe.	[15:30]
bounce	IIRC switzerland too. too many countries don't, though.	[15:30]
davout	bounce: the passport is secured in a different way, it needs some sort of joint optical + NFC read to work	[15:31]
mircea_popescu	davout you can actually syphon a lot of data off the new us passports w/o any contact	[15:31]
davout	mircea_popescu: nah, you can't "just use the stripe" here	[15:31]
bounce	the key's from a rather small keyspace I'm told. ie, reasonably crackable.	[15:31]
davout	mebbe	[15:31]
Apocalyptic	IIRC switzerland too. // indeed	[15:31]
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mircea_popescu	lol this guy	[15:32]
mircea_popescu	!up BayAreaCoins	[15:32]
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Apocalyptic	mircea, where do you know him from ?	[15:32]
mircea_popescu	!up BayAreaCoins_	[15:32]
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Apocalyptic	I've seen him often in the JD chat	[15:32]
mircea_popescu	you got that spiffy salt-water-on-rope internet where you live BayAreaCoins_ ?	[15:32]
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BayAreaCoins_	mircea_popescu In SF right now, but I have a house or two in Arkansas too.	[15:33]
BayAreaCoins_	Well SF for almost a year now... fuck	[15:33]
davout	how to disable the NFC chip properly -> http://korben.info/comment-desactiver-le-nfc-sur-sa-carte-bancaire.html	[15:33]
assbot	Comment dÃ©sactiver le NFC sur sa carte bancaire « Korben	[15:33]
BayAreaCoins_	Google chrome took a shit on me. Just kinda nosing through y'alls chat and your books.	[15:34]
mircea_popescu	BayAreaCoins_ few that join ever leave.	[15:35]
pankkake	davout: nice. maybe I won't have to wrap my wallet in tinfoil after all	[15:36]
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davout	pankkake: that'll leave you some to wrap your head in :D	[15:42]
davout	my card is old but i'm definitely doing it for the new one	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	hahaha	[15:44]
BayAreaCoins_	mircea_popescu So what do you guys focus on in earning most your bitcoins in here? Just a little of everything and anything?	[15:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.47000001 = 4.23 BTC [-] {2}	[15:48]
jurov	BayAreaCoins_: i don't think i'm focused squarely in earning most bitcoins	[15:51]
BayAreaCoins_	jurov a fiat type of guy or trying to square away a corner of a market?	[15:52]
jurov	what's "fiat type of guy" ?	[15:52]
BayAreaCoins_	Um... you know. You got some guys who have a bank safety deposit box full of Gold, Silver, Cash or dust :P	[15:53]
BayAreaCoins_	Now bitcoin	[15:53]
BayAreaCoins_	obviously lying I blow all my bitcoins gambling ;)	[15:54]
jurov	lol.. actually i cannot hoard. money itches to be put into someone else	[15:54]
fluffypony	which is why jurov is such a big supporter of buttcoin	[15:55]
davout	if your safety deposit box is full of gold you don't really qualify as a "fiat guy" in my view :D	[15:55]
fluffypony	because it's something being put into something else	[15:55]
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davout	jurov: s/money/my dick/	[15:55]
jurov	well, that fits too	[15:56]
BayAreaCoins_	davout right... so you would be a gold guy if it was full of gold. Captain Obvious	[15:56]
BayAreaCoins_	:P	[15:56]
davout	jurov: i'll drop this line of jokes right here	[15:57]
jurov	biggest fiat guys would be drug lords with dungeons full of cash	[15:57]
jurov	in customized-for-hsbc boxes	[15:58]
davout	jurov: /w direct pneumatic pipe link	[15:58]
BayAreaCoins_	So you guys don't like fiat?	[15:58]
davout	!b 1	[15:59]
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fluffypony	lol	[16:00]
jurov	i do like. but bitcoin is so very cooler	[16:00]
jurov	and more dangerous :)	[16:01]
fluffypony	yeah	[16:01]
fluffypony	Bitcoin is even being investigated as a terrorist threat	[16:02]
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davout	fluffypony: it's refocusing on pedo tho	[16:02]
fluffypony	true	[16:02]
fluffypony	just wait till they start hiding their stuff in the blockchain	[16:02]
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BayAreaCoins_	hear there is already a alt out with a slideshow wallet.	[16:03]
davout	wtf is a slideshow wallet ?	[16:03]
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davout	there's an alt for yards and pencils, but slideshow...	[16:03]
davout	!up BayAreaCoins_	[16:03]
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fluffypony	who would like to "rake" my "yard"?	[16:04]
fluffypony	I'll pay in Fried Coins	[16:04]
BayAreaCoins_	Slide show is like when the pictures change every 5 seconds (it was a joke)	[16:04]
davout	sorry, i'm wearing my "Intelligence -6" sweater	[16:06]
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BayAreaCoins_	6am and I'm stoned off my balls, so no worries. Just kind of browsing like I said. I like making money and meeting people who make money	[16:07]
BayAreaCoins_	I'm pretty sure my government likes BTC anyways... not going to link it to terrorist any time soon.	[16:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4700001 BTC [+]	[16:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 44 @ 0.0043992 = 0.1936 BTC [+]	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	so here's a kickass business idea :	[16:15]
davout	BayAreaCoins_: i'm not completely unconvinced that bitcoin is part of some sort "if we fail we're not going to let china have it" kind of move	[16:15]
BayAreaCoins_	offshore paper wallets	[16:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 62 @ 0.00446687 = 0.2769 BTC [+] {4}	[16:15]
davout	"offshore paper wallets" <<< you could ipo that on bitcoinbourse	[16:15]
mircea_popescu	open a restauant which only serves foods which can be consumed at such a temperature that their overal caloric balance is nil	[16:15]
davout	you would be a terrible french person	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	BayAreaCoins_ in earning most of our bitcoins we mostly focus mostly not losing the bitcoin we already have.	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	davout i already am :D	[16:17]
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davout	no you're not, you're not arrogant enough	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	davout but think about it, customer can set their own desired calorie per serving	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	want more, wait a little.	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	davout i already am a terrible french person i mean	[16:18]
davout	:D	[16:18]
BayAreaCoins_	mircea_popescu So does that mean you will take the chance of floating your coin to fiat for a price fall or do you hold strong and long	[16:18]
BayAreaCoins_	feel free to tell me to fuck off	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	floating my coin for fiat ?!	[16:18]
davout	mircea_popescu: you could include physical exercise in the mix	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	i thought you meant debentures, equities and whatnot.	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	davout you'd make a horrible us internet person.	[16:19]
davout	hahaha	[16:19]
BayAreaCoins_	I mean making money in general and growth	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	atm i don't make growth, i make shrink.	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	i was worth like > 1bn earlier this year, nao moar like a third that.	[16:20]
BayAreaCoins_	Could be worse	[16:20]
BayAreaCoins_	:P still blows	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	no it couldn't. my own fate is the worst.	[16:20]
BayAreaCoins_	How so	[16:20]
BayAreaCoins_	Like the gold guy in South America... like 50bil to 4 in a year :-	[16:21]
BayAreaCoins_	or whatever it was	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	because it's something being put into something else << the royal society for putting things on top of other things	[16:21]
fluffypony	lol	[16:21]
davout	benkay: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/52452135/H%C3%A9l%C3%A8ne%20Grimaud%20%26%20Sol%20Gabetta.zip	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	BayAreaCoins_ it's acomment on the general human condition. the toothpick in your ear hurts you more than the tree up someone's arse hurts oyu.	[16:21]
BayAreaCoins_	mircea_popescu ah ic	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	BayAreaCoins_ so what do you do anyway ?	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/465465120412680192 just for the lulz	[16:24]
assbot	Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: Are you young and desperate ...	[16:24]
BayAreaCoins_	That is actually why I came :)	[16:25]
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mircea_popescu	o lol	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	!up Pan0ram1x	[16:25]
BayAreaCoins_	I plan on making $100,000 this week and I just wanted to spy a little	[16:25]
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mircea_popescu	making 100k this week is easy. the branson way :	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	just start with 1mn	[16:25]
fluffypony	hah hah	[16:26]
BayAreaCoins_	Ya... I don't have that, but I will.	[16:26]
BayAreaCoins_	I do a number of things though. Sold a business in 2010 and did the college/frat thing. Fucked off since I learned that college should be paying me for the homework I was doing for them	[16:26]
BayAreaCoins_	Try to focus on shit that can't lose money.	[16:27]
mircea_popescu	it should, but it could never afford to, so the entire thing is predicated on your not noticing.	[16:27]
BayAreaCoins_	www.SnailsInTheMail.com <- Example	[16:28]
mircea_popescu	"and are looking to sale please contact us!!!" ?	[16:29]
BayAreaCoins_	To avoid permits	[16:29]
BayAreaCoins_	If I ship state to state. The USDA bitches, but if the snails are shipped within the same state. No feds	[16:29]
BayAreaCoins_	Snail game is a interesting one... I'm stil learning it. Basically I have this whole side of the world to myself because it is against the law to import live snails into the USA.	[16:30]
BayAreaCoins_	My snails are already here.	[16:30]
BayAreaCoins_	I had a ad on Just-dice for a while thanks to doog :P	[16:31]
BayAreaCoins_	Not sure how long you've invested there.	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	"to sell" neh ?	[16:32]
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mircea_popescu	!up cnxmari	[16:32]
BayAreaCoins_	?	[16:32]
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mircea_popescu	"and are looking TO SALE please contact us!!!" / "and are looking to sell please contact us!!!"	[16:33]
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BayAreaCoins_	ah typo?	[16:33]
BayAreaCoins_	I've been working on the site and I have to have it proof read.	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	either that or grammo	[16:33]
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mircea_popescu	!up BayAreaCoins_	[16:34]
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mircea_popescu	benkay there ?	[16:34]
BayAreaCoins_	ty	[16:34]
BayAreaCoins_	Once I had all the shit how I imagine it I'll have one of my nice friends go over it and fix all my typo BS. Deb helped me out last time. Did you see my comment earlier of Offshore paper wallets?	[16:35]
mircea_popescu	what about it ?	[16:36]
BayAreaCoins_	Does something like that exist yet?	[16:37]
BayAreaCoins_	I understand the trust issue, I'm in bitcoin too :), but it seems like it would be a nice option.	[16:37]
mircea_popescu	im sure every braindamage exists yet yes	[16:37]
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BayAreaCoins_	?	[16:38]
BayAreaCoins_	You know as a American I can't have a Swiss bank account? Sure I understand not giving your bitcoins away as a bitcoin person, but if you are someone else it might not be such a bad option...	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	...	[16:41]
BayAreaCoins_	Have a good day	[16:41]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00087934 = 24.5336 BTC [+]	[16:47]
BigBitz	Nobody can have a .ch bank account unless they are a .ch citizen AFAIK.	[16:50]
bounce	impossibru	[16:52]
bounce	at least residency is enough to open an account	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	de jure persons are citizens by definition.	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	(ie, just open a corp_	[16:54]
bounce	IIRC there's a bit of a capital requirement for that	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	but if you don't have capital in the first place	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	why is this a concern ?	[16:55]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.041 = 0.164 BTC [-]	[16:57]
BigBitz	yeah pretty sure there is a capital requirement as well.	[16:57]
BigBitz	DEM SWISS.	[16:57]
bounce	oh, 20k or 100k CHF, to be deposited in a swiss bank account.	[16:59]
bounce	and a couple thousand in fees and things	[17:00]
davout	"Nobody can have a .ch bank account unless they are a .ch citizen AFAIK" <<< nah you don't need to, you don't need a corp either, you just need to convince a banker	[17:01]
mircea_popescu	anyway, the budget version is, "just move to mongolia"	[17:01]
BigBitz	davout really?	[17:03]
BigBitz	I thought Swizterland was quite weird on their account requirement.	[17:03]
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BigBitz	I thought, at a min, residency as bounce said, but I actually thought they had some Citizenship nonsense as well.	[17:03]
davout	yea, there a fuckton of french people that have swiss bank accounts, all the folks working cross-border, plus a bunch of wealthy ones	[17:04]
davout	s/there/there are/	[17:04]
BigBitz	:)	[17:06]
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bounce	the crackdown on who can open a bank account where is largely US (and UN-lobbygroups) driven	[17:08]
bounce	effects are noticable world-wide, though. the swiss banking secrecy is just about gone apparently too.	[17:09]
BigBitz	Lichenstein is the place to go :>	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	!up InGoldWeTrust	[17:09]
-assbot-	You voiced InGoldWeTrust for 30 minutes.	[17:09]
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mircea_popescu	bounce fortunately bitcoin showed up and so we don't have to join forces with the arab terrorism to rid the world of that nonsense.	[17:10]
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mircea_popescu	i suppose this is an angle most of the "us will ban bitcoin" theoreticians fail to understand. bitcoin fucking saved the us, because the way things were going....	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	there wasn'ty going to be stone left upon stone sort of thing	[17:11]
BigBitz	"saved" is a rather bold sentiment mircea_popescu.	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	it's factual.	[17:12]
BigBitz	...	[17:12]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 24 @ 0.0723432 = 1.7362 BTC [+] {3}	[17:12]
InGoldWeTrust	[10:09] -assbot- You have been voiced for 30 minutes by mircea_popescu	[17:15]
InGoldWeTrust	whats is that	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	that means you can talk.	[17:15]
InGoldWeTrust	can you here me?	[17:16]
InGoldWeTrust	hear	[17:16]
bounce	!down InGoldWeTrust	[17:16]
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bounce	nope.	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	lol evil	[17:17]
bounce	!up InGoldWeTrust	[17:17]
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mircea_popescu	InGoldWeTrust http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2014#671238	[17:17]
assbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[17:17]
InGoldWeTrust	now I cant talk?	[17:17]
bounce	oh please. look up what irc channel mode +v does	[17:17]
InGoldWeTrust	what is this place, people give me permission to talk?	[17:18]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[17:18]
Apocalyptic	they do	[17:18]
Apocalyptic	and they can revoke it	[17:18]
InGoldWeTrust	I thought this was a chat room for bitcoin, must be the wrong place	[17:18]
mircea_popescu	this is where the bitcoin illuminati gather.	[17:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 141 @ 0.0008501 = 0.1199 BTC [-]	[17:18]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[17:19]
bounce	you may be looking for #bitcoin instead	[17:19]
mircea_popescu	or for #derptown	[17:20]
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mircea_popescu	"On April 21, 2014 bitcoin got its first lobbyists, however a competitor hired them. DC lobbying firm, Peck Madigan Jones, registered not one, but five of their employees to lobby Congress on “bitcoin” and “virtual currencies.” The client they are registered for is MasterCard, a transaction competitor to bitcoin"	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	lawl.	[17:23]
fluffypony	FIVE	[17:24]
fluffypony	not ONE	[17:24]
fluffypony	but FIVE	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	larger amount of lobby number.	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	what's more interesting, of course, is the total lack of registered us govt lobbists in bitcoin.	[17:25]
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mircea_popescu	at this rate bitcoin may regulate the us govt out of existence.	[17:25]
bounce	there's no registry. quick, someoen petition the ceo of bitcoin.	[17:25]
bounce	s/oen/one/	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	what do you think this is ?	[17:26]
davout	re what we were saying about mastercard a couple of weeks ago	[17:26]
fluffypony	I move for pankkake to be nominated as CTO of Bitcoin	[17:29]
fluffypony	Chief Troll Officer	[17:29]
davout	i decentralize-fair-p2p vote for it	[17:30]
fluffypony	make sure it's in the votechain!	[17:30]
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asciilifeform	there wasn'ty going to be stone left upon stone << mircea_popescu is optimist! thinks there'll be a stone left standing over here...	[17:36]
fluffypony	davout: I love how you got accused of being related to Karpeles	[17:38]
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bounce	'e's french innit?	[17:40]
fluffypony	yes	[17:41]
bounce	qed.	[17:41]
fluffypony	and every Frenchman must be related	[17:41]
fluffypony	smart logic	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	in the case of frenchmen this is probably true	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	they're all related to a german.	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	and a russian.	[17:43]
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asciilifeform	re: NFC credit card crapola: anyone who finds this puzzling (mandatory remote orifice for radio pick-pockets) should read about how u.s. banks profit from petty CC theft	[17:46]
asciilifeform	in more than just the usually-discussed way (chargebacks fleecing merchants)	[17:46]
fluffypony	asciilifeform: interesting - got a read for it or is it easy to find on Google?	[17:47]
asciilifeform	fluffypony: afaik there is no 'canonical' summary of the subject 'under one roof'	[17:47]
asciilifeform	you will have to actually do your homework	[17:47]
fluffypony	okee dokee	[17:47]
asciilifeform	the short version: say you live in the u.s., work a decently-paid sort of work (e.g. engineer), have few or no expensive vices, etc.	[17:49]
asciilifeform	you, from the standpoint of mr. bezzlemeister, are a problem in need of solution	[17:49]
asciilifeform	if you refuse to blow your savings / go into debt buying idiot trinkets - well, why not let somebody else do it... for you.	[17:50]
asciilifeform	hence the deliberate theft-enabling features of the fiat infrastructure.	[17:50]
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asciilifeform	if you're robbed, and have the presence of mind to walk the bureaucracy and get (some of) the debt cancelled, the merchants who the thief patronized get drafted to become substitute victims in your place	[17:54]
asciilifeform	as for anything remaining, it is charged to the infinite 'bad debt' credit card issued to the bank by the crown.	[17:55]
bounce	so ditch that feature and banks will move to actual as opposed to make-believe card security?	[17:56]
asciilifeform	bounce: if it were their arse, rather than yours on the line - absolutely.	[17:56]
asciilifeform	at present, nothing whatsoever about the u.s. consumer banking / credit system makes sense, except in light of the above hypothesis.	[17:57]
asciilifeform	(to steal theodosius dobzhansky's quip about evolution)	[17:57]
asciilifeform	the way it works now, a thief doesn't even need to steal your account #s, etc	[17:58]
asciilifeform	he just needs your name, and a few commonly-available biographical stats about you, and can borrow $1M in your name.	[17:58]
asciilifeform	then go and prove that 'you are not a camel'	[17:59]
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davout	asciilifeform: i'm not a camel, my bulge is on the other side	[18:00]
asciilifeform	lol	[18:00]
asciilifeform	so don't be surprised at the NFC radio eschewing any form of challenge-response authentication - or crypto of whatsoever kind	[18:03]
asciilifeform	this is not simply poor engineering, or penny-pinching. there is a purpose.	[18:03]
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asciilifeform	other thing, folks will answer 'i've an electromagnetically-shielded wallet! haha' - but see who laughs last. eventually, you won't even be able to walk into a shop unless the door can read your CC	[18:04]
asciilifeform	(and you've sufficient account credit)	[18:04]
asciilifeform	next, i suppose, toll archways in public walkways - similar to the RFID readers on american toll roads	[18:04]
Apocalyptic	i hope it won't come to that ascii	[18:05]
asciilifeform	wanna walk on the sidewalk - pay	[18:05]
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asciilifeform	(pretty much the only innovations one can expect to see in fiat finance is - in rent seeking)	[18:05]
asciilifeform	nfc shop doors - walk in, carry out whatever you want, no clerks - door opens if you have sufficient credit.	[18:07]
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thestringpuller	"You wanna be a CEO huh? Start by joining #bitcoin-assets"	[18:16]
thestringpuller	asciilifeform: what did you get your momma for mothers day?	[18:18]
asciilifeform	thestringpuller: we do it on mar. 8	[18:19]
thestringpuller	Hahahahah!	[18:19]
thestringpuller	I LOVE IT	[18:19]
thestringpuller	#greenlightthemovie #hollywoodexecs	[18:19]
davout	the dotcoin dude: "You will never win! The smart guys know what happen and your problems can only be regulated by a psychiatrist!"	[18:24]
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kakobrekla	guy has infinite hitpoints eh	[18:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14880 @ 0.00087557 = 13.0285 BTC [-]	[18:25]
benkay	mornin	[18:26]
davout	kakobrekla: he's like a zombie that you can't kill because there's no brain to shoot	[18:27]
kakobrekla	heya	[18:27]
kakobrekla	he came a long way for a zombie	[18:27]
jurov	i think he's a subversion of mircea's thickening necks theory	[18:30]
davout	what's the theory?	[18:31]
benkay	thestringpuller: the girl put together a boquet for which i took credit. i am also going over this morning to take credit for the meal my sister is making.	[18:33]
benkay	<- obvsly prime ceo material	[18:33]
jurov	davout basically that pencilnecks will be replaced by progressively thicker necks	[18:34]
jurov	when broken by circumstances, regulation etc.	[18:34]
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benkay	ty for lovely cello, davout	[18:35]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform> other thing, folks will answer 'i've an electromagnetically-shielded wallet! haha' - but see who laughs last. eventually, you won't even be able to walk into a shop unless the door can read your CC << this is a good thing, becayse i don't like this entire in person shopping thing anywayu	[18:37]
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benkay	but its the women who drive the shopping economy	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	(pretty much the only innovations one can expect to see in fiat finance is - in rent seeking) << word. https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/465454220993654785 related	[18:37]
assbot	Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: Once a market is perverted ...	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	<- obvsly prime ceo material << lol clearly.	[18:38]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.72795040 BTC to 8`680 shares, 31428 satoshi per share	[19:00]
thestringpuller	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/25a71j/xpost_from_rdogecoin_peyton_evans_has_suffered/ << who the fuck is peyton evans	[19:04]
assbot	[x-post from /r/dogecoin] Peyton Evans has suffered from an brain aneurysm and her family is struggling with the medical costs. An Dogecoin+Bitcoin fundraiser has been started by her family and one of her friends. See comments for details. (Verified via /u/Sic840 and @MhkazOffical on Twitter) : Bitcoin	[19:04]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: that bank pic looks like... athletic tourney chart. should we expect a 'amerikanskiy narodniy bank' to show up at the pointy end of the tourney bracket shortly?	[19:08]
asciilifeform	thestringpuller: 'reddit' is infamous for pestilential beggars	[19:11]
asciilifeform	has been, for some years.	[19:11]
bounce	begging, a growth industry	[19:12]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i don't like this entire in person shopping thing anyway << dragging one's arse to a shop remains a pain. rfid arches might ease the pain, but at what cost.	[19:14]
asciilifeform	at first you might be able to sheathe the card in faraday wallet, but then you start to need it to do just about anything - and the sheaths quietly go away	[19:14]
asciilifeform	the clever fellows who presently escape surveillance by eschewing mobile phones, will be collared at last	[19:15]
fluffypony	you could always order most of your stuff online?	[19:16]
asciilifeform	sure.	[19:16]
asciilifeform	but at some point it becomes 'expected' to have the rfid.	[19:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0334999 = 0.1005 BTC [-]	[19:16]
asciilifeform	i can picture, for instance, traffic lights detecting pedestrians via same	[19:17]
asciilifeform	no beacon, no walk	[19:17]
fluffypony	yeah true	[19:17]
fluffypony	or using public transport	[19:17]
fluffypony	no rfid no bus/train/whatever	[19:17]
jurov	by that point also they will be forced to secure it	[19:17]
jurov	like recent rfid failures for mass transport across eu	[19:18]
asciilifeform	over here we already have rfid (near field, though, ~5cm max) to ride bus	[19:18]
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asciilifeform	afaik, the only reason this crap isn't being pushed more insistently, is that most (at least in usa) people have already surrendered to an equivalent setup - mobile phones	[19:20]
bounce	online shopping is still mostly driven by credit cards and paypal and similar constructs	[19:20]
bounce	so that's no escape.	[19:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18746 @ 0.0008756 = 16.414 BTC [+] {3}	[19:21]
bounce	rather build a mostly self-sufficient house with plenty farmland and a cellar full of build-it-yourself equipment. lathes, 3d printers, what-have-you	[19:21]
asciilifeform	it is, however, still possible today to walk around a city, buy food, visit park, etc. without phone.	[19:21]
asciilifeform	bounce: 'let them eat cake' ?	[19:22]
jurov	it's maybe 10 years already that banks want everyone to switch to credit/debit cards	[19:22]
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jurov	did not happen yet, don't see what would rfid change on that?	[19:23]
bounce	"did not happen"?	[19:23]
asciilifeform	jurov: discussion was about the logical next step re: rfid, where you spend money just by walking through a door	[19:23]
bounce	more like "the only winning move"	[19:24]
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fluffypony	well jurov's got a point - they keep doing big pushes here in Africa to "bank the unbanked", but they forget that often the unbanked want to stay that way to avoid paying tax	[19:24]
asciilifeform	after which, all sorts of folks crawl out of the woodwork, eager to pepper the landscape with just this kind of door	[19:24]
bounce	they haven't forgotten, no. maybe the starry-eyed do-gooders at the front, but not the backers, no.	[19:25]
asciilifeform	fluffypony: see j. scott's 'the art of not being governed.' the crown is perpetually eager to bank the unbanked, settle the nomads, tax the untaxed, etc.	[19:26]
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jurov	they'll have to make merchants dislike cash	[19:26]
bounce	then again, in chip&pin countries there's a big and continous push to use your bank card (or cc if you must), to the point of there being multiple chains that don't accept cash at all any longer	[19:26]
jurov	as long as merchants like to acept cash, that won§t happen	[19:26]
jurov	bounce where?	[19:26]
bounce	europe. where the government also requires pay to be made by bank transfer and so requires everyone in the workforce to have a bank account	[19:27]
jurov	oh that. but banks are so greedy with various fees that everyone just pulls their salary out of atm at first instance	[19:29]
jurov	and leaves jsut something to pay the bills	[19:29]
jurov	also, i don't see merchants giving up 3% of their margin voluntarily by avoiding cash	[19:30]
fluffypony	yeah lots of small places here that only accept cash	[19:31]
fluffypony	no cards	[19:31]
fluffypony	because the banks charge a fixed monthly "rental" for the machine	[19:31]
fluffypony	plus per-transaction fees	[19:31]
fluffypony	and the pie shop on the corner doesn't want that	[19:31]
bounce	until they drop the fees to ~1% and put a big push on people using chip&pin, then the sheep'll do just that	[19:31]
jurov	how can they drop the fees? banks are used to this income	[19:32]
bounce	here they're not visible to the customer, so the fees banks pay other banks (and the central payment processor, if one) come out of the bottom line. since merchant and customer both use some bank...	[19:35]
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jurov	but merchant always pays	[19:35]
jurov	regardless where's the customer bank	[19:36]
bounce	oh right. still and all, more volume in return for lower fees is worth it for the banks and less cash on hand is worth it to the merchants	[19:37]
bounce	to the point that holdups and raids have shifted from supermarkets to the elderly in their homes	[19:37]
jurov	how more volume? as if, twice the number of people will switch to epayment if prices decrease by 2%?	[19:38]
jurov	lol	[19:38]
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kakobrekla	http://www.usacryptocoins.com/thecryptocurrencytimes/uncategorized/bitpay-raising-30-million-of-capital-gives-itself-a-160-million-valuation-which-is-ridiculous/	[19:38]
assbot	BitPay raising $30 million of capital, gives itself a $160 million valuation which is ridiculous \| The Cryptocurrency Times	[19:38]
bounce	I'd have to look up the press releases by the payment processors, but possibly yes	[19:38]
jurov	imagine starting a sentence "if goverment slashd the taxes by 60%..."	[19:39]
jurov	you won't be taken seriously	[19:39]
jurov	in the same way, banks will never give up milking the merchants	[19:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00087479 = 17.4958 BTC [-]	[19:40]
bounce	er, prices decrease for the customer? no, fees for the merchant drop by 50%	[19:40]
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bounce	customer sees same price either way.	[19:40]
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jurov	so where's any incentive for customer?	[19:40]
jurov	or for bank?	[19:41]
bounce	consumers are sold on this on "safer to not carry cash", "using chip&pin is faster and easier than cash" and such propaganda	[19:41]
Apocalyptic	^	[19:41]
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jurov	yes, they try. then they see their account statement with various fees peppered about and bail the hell out	[19:42]
jurov	and use family relative account + atm withdrawal. true story, multiple ppl i know	[19:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 13 @ 0.041 = 0.533 BTC [-]	[19:43]
HeySteve	hey guys. anything you can tell me about KFC Minor?	[19:43]
bounce	uhm, no. no extra fees per transaction.	[19:43]
HeySteve	I mean KnCMiner	[19:43]
bounce	the fees are in "having a bank account" and (perhaps separately) "having a chip&pin card", and a lot more for "having a credit card"	[19:43]
jurov	bounce find me one bank that slashed fees by 60%	[19:43]
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fluffypony	KFC	[19:44]
bounce	oh the banks just up the fees for their customers, but they're a package deal on the account level, not individual transaction level	[19:44]
fluffypony	now I'm hungry	[19:44]
fluffypony	:-P	[19:44]
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jurov	bounce that's no difference	[19:45]
bounce	since you already cannot live without some bank account and they all charge more or less the same there's no way out of that	[19:45]
fluffypony	HeySteve: they seemed to be doing ok, and then they had all these deliveries that were badly packed and arrived broken, now they're trying to reship but afaik are still having stuff arrive damaged	[19:45]
HeySteve	ah yes, I remember that story, ta	[19:45]
jurov	bounce i just described how it's done in practice	[19:46]
jurov	a faimly has one account where it's a must and for everything else jut cash is used	[19:47]
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jurov	either you have cheap epayments for everyone but then there's no profit incentive for anyone	[19:49]
jurov	or you scren few % from someone and then large part of people revert to using cash	[19:50]
jurov	*screw	[19:50]
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jurov	the system works againt itself	[19:50]
bounce	in n/w europe it's usual for everyone to have their own accounts (even kids) and shared accounts on top of that. cash is maybe half of all purchases and steadily pushed down by banks+merchants+gov't in concert	[19:50]
jurov	bounce that's what propaganda says	[19:51]
bounce	sure. plenty people bought into it too. rather surprising how hard it is to tell'em about the downside of the approach.	[19:51]
jurov	there's still large part (if minority) that avoids it and makes abolishing cash completely infeasible	[19:53]
jurov	couple that with notorious insecurity of all popular e-cash solutions	[19:54]
bounce	we've already seen that insecurity is no object, instead a rather desirable property; it's the /perception/ of insecurity that matters, and for that there's propaganda	[19:55]
jurov	propaganda can't hide money missing from your very account	[19:56]
Apocalyptic	bounce, indeed	[19:57]
jurov	and again, since you don't get it: propaganda needs funding, hence banks need profit	[19:57]
jurov	hence they must screw someone over	[19:57]
jurov	hence creating disnicentives	[19:58]
bounce	sure I don't get it.	[19:59]
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jurov	i;m tired of all these hypotheticals anyway. they'll surely try these rfid-enabled sidewalk tolls and whatnot	[20:01]
jurov	just not so sure of the outcome	[20:01]
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kakobrekla	!up herbijudlestoids	[20:02]
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jurov	it may as well result in mass pwnage and chaos	[20:02]
herbijudlestoids	hel;loloeloloooo :)	[20:02]
herbijudlestoids	i was wondering what was going on	[20:02]
jurov	too much	[20:03]
herbijudlestoids	wanted to drop in and share some good news and make sure you guys hadnt forgotten about me	[20:03]
herbijudlestoids	our small company is being invested in! by a big company!	[20:03]
kakobrekla	who are you again?	[20:04]
herbijudlestoids	kako! you dont remember me?	[20:05]
jurov	herbi you got bought by bitcoinbourse?	[20:05]
herbijudlestoids	nope	[20:06]
fluffypony	lol	[20:06]
herbijudlestoids	much bigger :D	[20:06]
Duffer1	havelock?	[20:07]
jurov	lol	[20:07]
herbijudlestoids	ill just say, its not some bitcoin exchange :P	[20:07]
punkman	herbijudlestoids: what was it again? some SaaS thing?	[20:07]
herbijudlestoids	close, IaaS	[20:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28250 @ 0.00087998 = 24.8594 BTC [+] {4}	[20:08]
Apocalyptic	herbijudlestoids, what is your company ?	[20:08]
herbijudlestoids	Apocalyptic: we are one of the few openstack companies in australia ;)	[20:09]
herbijudlestoids	anyway guise, love you many long time, i miss the stimulating conversation of this room and hope to return	[20:10]
herbijudlestoids	<3	[20:10]
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jurov	;;gettrust assbot herbijudlestoids	[20:11]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user herbijudlestoids: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=herbijudlestoids \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=herbijudlestoids \| Rated since: Fri Feb 14 01:33:49 2014	[20:11]
assbot	#bitcoin-otc Web of Trust - Trust graph	[20:11]
assbot	Rating Details for User 'herbijudlestoids'	[20:11]
bounce	shup, assbot	[20:11]
jurov	;;bc,stats	[20:12]
gribble	Current Blocks: 300246 \| Current Difficulty: 8.0008721359681635E9 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 300383 \| Next Difficulty In: 137 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 19 hours, 13 minutes, and 41 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 8870294077.76 \| Estimated Percent Change: 10.86659	[20:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00087776 = 12.1131 BTC [-]	[20:13]
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kakobrekla	wont happen again bounce :)	[20:15]
bounce	cool.	[20:15]
bounce	can you make assbot drop the whole tweet (of up to 160 characters, after all) instead of just the title, in case of twittar/statuses/...?	[20:16]
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FabianB	heh, thought of requesting this too a few hours ago	[20:17]
kakobrekla	i dunno isnt twitter loaded by js	[20:18]
bounce	it's certainly rather inefficient	[20:18]
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bounce	there's bound to be an api somewhere that might even just take the status number and return the tweet, though.	[20:19]
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kakobrekla	;;google fetch tweet by status number api	[20:20]
gribble	GET statuses/show/:id \| Twitter Developers: ; GET statuses/user_timeline \| Twitter Developers: ; GET statuses/user_timeline \| Twitter Developers:	[20:20]
bounce	and if that fails you can always fall back to the common case	[20:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19650 @ 0.00087537 = 17.201 BTC [-]	[20:20]
kakobrekla	they want me to auth for this.	[20:22]
kakobrekla	who is crazy?	[20:22]
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bounce	officially, anyway. the webpage gets the data somehow, though. if it's not in there the js will have to get it.	[20:24]
kakobrekla	yes but make an api that makes users parse html or worse ?	[20:24]
bounce	obviously much too hard to parse html so every'll auth. prevents abuse, see?	[20:25]
bounce	api discussion tells you to look for the blue pills	[20:26]
bounce	says it all, dunnit	[20:26]
kakobrekla	mhm	[20:26]
kakobrekla	gotta jet, bbl.	[20:26]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14191 @ 0.00087963 = 12.4828 BTC [+] {2}	[20:30]
bounce	apparently the tweet is right there, in a	[20:34]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.1333333 BTC [-]	[20:56]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [-]	[21:07]
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benkay	!up Drew	[21:13]
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Drew	thanks	[21:13]
benkay	mhm	[21:13]
benkay	what's up?	[21:13]
Drew	not much, just stopped by to see what was up	[21:13]
Drew	im about to post a different version of my little investment seeking thread on bitcoin talk, self moderated to delete trolls and just let it sort of sit around as advertisement while i start building my trust to approach from a different angle	[21:14]
Drew	what was the info for the server login on mIRC again? the web platform isnt nearly as good	[21:14]
benkay	little?	[21:18]
benkay	weren't you throwing around numbers like 10m?	[21:18]
benkay	anyways -assets takes the weekend off, typically.	[21:19]
benkay	to some degree...	[21:19]
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bounce	http://www.cnet.com/news/urme-anti-surveillance-mask-lets-you-pass-as-someone-else/	[21:20]
assbot	Anti-surveillance mask lets you pass as someone else - CNET	[21:20]
benkay	or you could just stick some IR LED's on your hat.	[21:21]
benkay	no need for fancy 3d printing wankery.	[21:21]
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benkay	Drew: you're going to want to actually get an irc client if the web clients aren't doing it for you.	[21:22]
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bounce	shush, no need to go all "we already solved this"	[21:22]
benkay	irssi's a good one if you're command-line competent (and being so is recommended for crypto use)	[21:22]
benkay	xchat's not bad if you're a gui guy	[21:22]
Drew	yea i downloaded the irc client	[21:23]
bounce	"the" irc client?	[21:23]
benkay	yeah	[21:23]
benkay	like the web browser	[21:23]
Drew	and yea the investment i was looking for was about 1.25m, so not so much little	[21:23]
Drew	lol an irc client	[21:23]
Drew	mIRC	[21:23]
benkay	irc.freenode.net	[21:24]
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benkay	;;gettrust Drew	[21:26]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user Drew: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=Drew \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Drew \| Rated since: never	[21:26]
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Drew	how do i login to my account i made?	[21:26]
benkay	did you register your nick?	[21:26]
Drew	yeah its verified with gribble and whatnot	[21:27]
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bounce	so login with gribble and whatnot	[21:27]
benkay	;;ident Drew	[21:27]
gribble	Nick 'Drew', with hostmask 'Drew!ac06a19c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.172.6.161.156', is not identified.	[21:27]
benkay	no it's not.	[21:27]
Drew	DrewHorne	[21:27]
bounce	;;gpg info drewhorne	[21:27]
gribble	User 'DrewHorne', with keyid None, fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1ESdGLk9MR5mAghLAn5R3419tvmj2FvFMB, registered on Wed May 7 08:34:43 2014, last authed on Wed May 7 08:34:43 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=DrewHorne . Currently not authenticated.	[21:27]
benkay	;;ident drewhorne	[21:27]
gribble	Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.	[21:27]
benkay	see this is a problem with having one irc nick and another wot nick	[21:27]
Drew	they should both be DrewHorne	[21:28]
benkay	yup	[21:28]
benkay	so /nick DrewHorne	[21:28]
Drew	this is just the nick im temporarily using while i figure out how to get back in there	[21:28]
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benkay	then /msg nickserv register drewhorne	[21:28]
benkay	also don't capitalize the first letter of your nick	[21:28]
benkay	super annoying.	[21:28]
DrewHorne	haha heard	[21:28]
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bounce	it's registered. now log in with nickserv before it forces you off the nick	[21:29]
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Benkay	;;ident	[21:29]
gribble	Nick 'Benkay', with hostmask 'Benkay!~user@unaffiliated/benkay', is identified as user 'benkay', with GPG key id 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA, key fingerprint 4F7907942CA8B89B01E25A762AFA1A9FD2D031DA, and bitcoin address None	[21:29]
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benkay	llident	[21:29]
benkay	;;ident	[21:29]
gribble	Nick 'benkay', with hostmask 'benkay!~user@unaffiliated/benkay', is identified as user 'benkay', with GPG key id 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA, key fingerprint 4F7907942CA8B89B01E25A762AFA1A9FD2D031DA, and bitcoin address None	[21:29]
Guest89510	so now ive been demoted into a guest lol	[21:30]
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benkay	you'll have to /nick and then /identify	[21:30]
benkay	er	[21:30]
Guest89510	/nick drewhorne?	[21:30]
benkay	/msg nickserv identify	[21:31]
benkay	yeah first /nick drewhorne	[21:31]
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benkay	then /msg nickserv identify pword	[21:31]
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benkay	you can configure big boy irc clients to handle that for you, although that requires storing a password on disk.	[21:31]
benkay	!up Guest89510	[21:34]
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benkay	try disconnecting and reconnecting	[21:34]
benkay	the good ol' windows reboot	[21:34]
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benkay	http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20140510-700695.html	[21:34]
assbot	WSJ	[21:34]
benkay	how would one go about hiding assets with life insurance?	[21:35]
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jurov	life insurance became thinly veiled alias for many other kinds of investments	[21:36]
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jurov	such as stocks and mutual funds	[21:37]
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benkay	so one takes a pile of cash in the us	[21:37]
benkay	transfers it to ubs	[21:37]
benkay	acquires stocks/mutual funds that are unreported to usg?	[21:37]
jurov	yes, likely	[21:38]
benkay	how is it, princessnell ?	[21:38]
benkay	hows your mom?	[21:38]
princessnell	hi benkay!	[21:39]
princessnell	she's good. yours?	[21:39]
benkay	enlisting her boys to move pots around on the back porch	[21:39]
benkay	attempting to in any event	[21:39]
princessnell	go help her ya dingus	[21:39]
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benkay	nah my company is gift enough	[21:40]
benkay	dingus lol	[21:40]
benkay	k dad	[21:40]
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princessnell	dadxcore is a goal of mine	[21:46]
benkay	!t h rent	[21:53]
benkay	!t m s.mpoe	[21:53]
benkay	!h	[21:53]
benkay	hue hue no assbot	[21:53]
benkay	kakobrekla: whither assbot?	[21:54]
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kakobrekla	twitter + html dom = retarded is all	[21:56]
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benkay	dat dom	[21:56]
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benkay	the ways we spend our time...	[22:00]
Apocalyptic	^	[22:01]
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benkay	bbiab time to hump pots	[22:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0308004 = 0.154 BTC [-] {3}	[22:03]
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princessnell	benkay good, you caved	[22:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0308 = 0.1232 BTC [-]	[22:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26300 @ 0.00088136 = 23.1798 BTC [+]	[22:04]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0320001 = 0.16 BTC [-]	[22:05]
artifexd	<+benkay> also don't capitalize the first letter of your nick <- Why? Is your autocomplete case sensitive?	[22:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0308 = 0.1232 BTC [-]	[22:06]
decimation	asciilifeform "settle the nomads, tax the untaxed, etc." << yeah just ask the ancient Romans about the Thervingians, Goths, Huns, etc. "We want land to farm, but not your tax or culture"	[22:07]
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decimation	At some point the "tribes" begin to reverse-colonize the Leviathan state - see the modern UK for instance	[22:08]
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kakobrekla	someone post a link to some tweet for test	[22:12]
kakobrekla	wait	[22:12]
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kakobrekla	nao	[22:13]
jurov	https://twitter.com/coin_br/status/430858273084813312	[22:13]
assbot	MPEx manual completed with options and bonds: http://t.co/AgQnXaEHpA	[22:13]
fluffypony	nice	[22:14]
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Anduck	https://twitter.com/blockchain/status/464809639625121792	[22:14]
assbot	/search?q=%23Bitcoin&src=hash must be one of /USATODAY's secret loves ;) http://t.co/JRZweJOhjd	[22:14]
kakobrekla	ftw	[22:14]
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bounce	https://twitter.com/Bitcoin_Assets/status/463715438338539521	[22:15]
assbot	http://t.co/V4RGo4vHM5 Bitcoiners are jealous of Dogecoiners and acting out. /search?q=%23dogecoin&src=hash /search?q=%23bitcoin&src=hash /search?q=%23nascar&src=hash /search?q=%23reddit&src=hash	[22:15]
jurov	can use some hash filter	[22:15]
kakobrekla	good idea	[22:15]
bounce	where'd that /search stuff come from?	[22:15]
jurov	but very nice overall!	[22:16]
FabianB	hashtag linking	[22:16]
kakobrekla	links must be fixed	[22:16]
*	bounce wonders where that comes from	[22:17]
kakobrekla	is uch way	[22:17]
kakobrekla	http://dpaste.com/0502CYJ.txt	[22:17]
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bounce	"translate href except for /search...src=hash" might be a reasonable shot	[22:19]
fluffypony	kakobrekla - why are you scraping the dom instead of using the API tho?	[22:19]
bounce	because the api requires auth	[22:19]
fluffypony	ah	[22:19]
fluffypony	didn't knwo that	[22:19]
fluffypony	*know	[22:19]
bounce	was a bit of a spat not too long ago, when they made it mandatory	[22:20]
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bounce	https://twitter.com/felixsalmon/status/445431615997501440	[22:22]
assbot	Dorian Nakamoto official statement/denial. Very interested to see how /Newsweek /truth_eater /jimpoco respond. http://t.co/wfCyK1dQ48	[22:22]
bounce	slashes instead of @. well, why not. doesn't look worse at any rate.	[22:23]
bounce	though the link text is pic.twitter.com/wfCyK1dQ48 which would be better in this case. hm.	[22:24]
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bounce	!up checkdavid because asked so nicely	[22:24]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00088136 = 12.0746 BTC [+]	[22:25]
davout	should i buy baldur's gate II enhanced edition	[22:25]
davout	;;8ball	[22:25]
gribble	One would be wise to think so.	[22:25]
davout	YES	[22:25]
davout	should i also buy the first one ?	[22:25]
davout	;;8ball	[22:25]
gribble	No chance.	[22:25]
davout	This is scary.	[22:25]
bounce	;;8ball is it wise to trust eightballs?	[22:26]
gribble	I doubt it very much.	[22:26]
davout	!b 10	[22:26]
assbot	Last 10 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2ASCCE2.txt )	[22:26]
fluffypony	;;8ball should we invest on BitcoinBourse?	[22:26]
gribble	Unlikely.	[22:26]
fluffypony	well there you have it	[22:26]
davout	lol	[22:26]
fluffypony	hah hah, forensick posted on that thread	[22:27]
fluffypony	on btctalk	[22:27]
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CheckDavid	Hello bounce baby	[22:28]
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kakobrekla	https://twitter.com/Bitcoin_Assets/status/463715438338539521	[22:29]
assbot	http://t.co/V4RGo4vHM5 Bitcoiners are jealous of Dogecoiners and acting out. # # # #	[22:29]
fluffypony	!up CheckDavid	[22:29]
kakobrekla	blah	[22:29]
fluffypony	oh	[22:29]
*	assbot gives voice to CheckDavid	[22:29]
fluffypony	sorry CheckDavid, I just saw those notices now	[22:29]
CheckDavid	On thanks fluffypony	[22:30]
CheckDavid	Was I voiced twice?	[22:30]
fluffypony	yes	[22:30]
CheckDavid	How?	[22:30]
fluffypony	now you have doublevoice	[22:30]
fluffypony	it's like supermegavoice	[22:30]
CheckDavid	Lol	[22:30]
fluffypony	everything you say comes out my speakers twice as loud	[22:30]
CheckDavid	That's stereo now	[22:30]
bounce	oh yes, irc on text to voice	[22:30]
CheckDavid	Now I have to speak out of my mouth and out of my ass	[22:31]
CheckDavid	I wanted to ask you guys something	[22:31]
CheckDavid	About mastercoin and colored coins	[22:31]
CheckDavid	Pros and cons	[22:32]
CheckDavid	I am a bit confused	[22:32]
bounce	where's the question then?	[22:32]
CheckDavid	I am am just asking about the current state and their respective pros and cons	[22:32]
fluffypony	CheckDavid: fundamentally I don't have a problem with the idea of a distributed exchange, the problem is that it's not realistically plausible right now (in terms of being able to handle any significant trade volume)	[22:33]
fluffypony	the other problem is things like delisting an asset	[22:33]
fluffypony	let's say it's provably a scam and the operator has disappeared	[22:33]
fluffypony	no centralised control means that asset continues trading	[22:33]
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bounce	you could perchance come up with an N-of-M revoker	[22:34]
kakobrekla	https://twitter.com/Bitcoin_Assets/status/463715438338539521	[22:34]
assbot	http://t.co/V4RGo4vHM5 Bitcoiners are jealous of Dogecoiners and acting out. #dogecoin #bitcoin #nascar #reddit	[22:34]
kakobrekla	thar.	[22:34]
bounce	looking spiffy	[22:34]
jurov	fluffypony: decentralized trading of provable scams is the next level	[22:35]
fluffypony	jurov: exactly	[22:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 650 @ 0.00083098 = 0.5401 BTC [-] {6}	[22:35]
fluffypony	CheckDavid: I also have no problem with operators being real-world anonymous if they choose to do so, there are checks and balances in place for that (such as their WoT presence)	[22:35]
fluffypony	I do have a problem with something that seems to, on face value, just enable scammers to scam even more easily than CryptoStocks	[22:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-]	[22:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-]	[22:46]
CheckDavid	fluffypony: what's the problem if it continues trading?	[22:46]
fluffypony	CheckDavid: because there's no communication platform, so bagholders can offload their shares onto unsuspecting trader	[22:47]
fluffypony	*traders	[22:47]
fluffypony	also the whole principle seems to be "decentralise the trade but centralise the communication"	[22:48]
fluffypony	which seems kinda silly	[22:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0308 = 0.2156 BTC [-]	[22:48]
CheckDavid	I see. I don't feel concerned about that honesty	[22:50]
CheckDavid	But what about colored coins then?	[22:51]
fluffypony	coloured coins are maybe more interesting, but then I have to wonder if it's solving a problem that needs solving?	[22:55]
Apocalyptic	colored coins...	[22:55]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-]	[23:04]
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benkay	there are no capital barriers to the colored coin system which means it will rapidly fill with the criminal and the stupid.	[23:07]
benkay	;;ticker --market all	[23:09]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 438.17, vol: 9524.51272993 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 432.404, vol: 3913.75897 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 437.98, vol: 11577.79967309 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 445.13, vol: 14.73729089 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 435.399448, vol: 1603.52150000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 436.54759, vol: 11.7575117 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 445.6944, vol: 34.93564767 \| Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)	[23:09]
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HeySteve	would someone please remind me of how to search the asset log for key phrases via the bot?	[23:11]
kakobrekla	;;google key phrases site:log.bitcoin-assets.com	[23:11]
gribble	NEXT: 03-04-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: ; NEXT: 14-08-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: ; NEXT: 07-10-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log:	[23:11]
HeySteve	thanks	[23:12]
HeySteve	;;google the bitcoin foundation is a scam site:log.bitcoin-assets.com	[23:12]
gribble	NEXT: 05-04-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: ; NEXT: 03-03-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: ; NEXT: 25-12-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log:	[23:12]
benkay	is the trezor actually shipping?	[23:12]
jurov	benkay yes	[23:13]
jurov	only stick is too lazy to upload tracking numbers to the website	[23:13]
jurov	and only metallic ones ship now	[23:13]
jurov	i§ll should get it tomorrow or so	[23:14]
benkay	neat	[23:15]
benkay	what's the deal with asicminer dividends?	[23:15]
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kakobrekla	i think asciilifeform had some things to say re trezor	[23:15]
kakobrekla	maybe its a good time and place for this nao :)	[23:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00088216 = 15.2614 BTC [+]	[23:16]
jurov	yes, it's scattered around the log	[23:16]
kakobrekla	i dun remember	[23:16]
jurov	me too	[23:16]
kakobrekla	https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/10256067_10154090400905284_2099256056379806121_n.jpg	[23:18]
kakobrekla	"when you die, you dont know you died and its not hard on you. its hard on others. same if you are stupid."	[23:18]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00088136 = 11.8102 BTC [-]	[23:25]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00088307 = 16.5134 BTC [+] {2}	[23:29]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12692 @ 0.00088731 = 11.2617 BTC [+] {2}	[23:36]
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decimation	Michael Novogratz (of Fortress Investments) on bitcoin in this Bloomberg interview: http://pastebin.com/uwySTc9r	[23:36]
assbot	http://www.bloomberg.com/video/why-michael-novogratz-is-buying-bitcoin-pGJUZ149T - Pastebin.com	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/05/10/Millions-of-US-20-Bills-Counterfeited-Scammer-Says-Screw-You-America	[23:37]
assbot	Millions of US $20 Bills Counterfeited, Scammer Says 'Screw You,' America	[23:37]
decimation	"Intellectually it is a fascinating story. If you look at the market cap for bitcoin, it is for the five billion dollars. -- $4 billion to $5 billion.	[23:37]
decimation	My college roommate lives in barbados. The smartest guy we went to school with. He full-time works on derivatives for bitcoin. There is this open source community with huge brain power and lots of seed money going in."	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	who's this	[23:38]
decimation	this Novogratz guy	[23:38]
decimation	apparently of this fund: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortress_Investment_Group	[23:38]
assbot	Fortress Investment Group - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	aok	[23:38]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the narodnyi bank seems likely tbh	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	merge fanny and freddie with gs and jpm, suddenly you got something	[23:40]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: the clever fellows who presently escape surveillance by eschewing mobile phones, will be collared at last << nbot really. just have procurement contract with select shop, order stuff pay on month's end.	[23:40]
decimation	well, the situation today is such that the Fed is the bank that underwrites all the banks	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	as usual, any attempts to tighten the noose past a certain level do more to chaff the thing	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	decimation indeed.	[23:41]
decimation	the only reason that USians don't open a checking account with the Fed is to spread around the bezzle	[23:41]
decimation	doesn't facebook make shadow accounts for people that have been uploaded by other lusers and whose faces appear on photos?	[23:42]
benkay	decimation who's working on btc derivs in barbados full time?	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	bounce: "did not happen"? << not in central and eastern eu, no.	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	decimation yup	[23:42]
decimation	Donno, apparenlty the ex-college roommate of this Michael Novogratz dude	[23:42]
benkay	lol for a sec i thought Donno was a human	[23:43]
decimation	According to La Wik apparently one of his college roommates was the head of trading at RBC Capitoal Markets: In 2006, he bought Robert De Niro's $12.25 million duplex in Manhattan's Tribeca neighborhood.[3] When he moved into De Niro's former residence, Mickey Rourke moved into Novogratz' former Meatpacking district residence.[2] He was college roommates with Richard Tavoso, head of global arbitrage and trading at RBC Capital Markets.[3][14]	[23:44]
decimation	He and his wife Dora "Sukey" Caceres have four children.[2][10] They also own a home in Amagansett.[10]	[23:44]
decimation	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Novogratz	[23:44]
assbot	Michael Novogratz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	assbot: BitPay raising $30 million of capital, gives itself a $160 million valuation which is ridiculous \| The Cryptocurrency Times << it's only ridiculous if you're some blogger with nary two meatballs to rub together in your stomach.	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	otherwise, something that's been worked at for years'd better be over 100mn or else wtf is going on	[23:45]
decimation	yeah even tiny businesses in the US should be able to get $15-20 million in revenue	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	jurov: bounce find me one bank that slashed fees by 60% << well my bank keeps trying to sell me on this deal whereby if i pay them 30 euros a month fixedx they'll cut their per tx fees to 0 for x txn and to 50% for all the rest.	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	except, i don't owe them 30 euros a month currently, so...	[23:48]
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mircea_popescu	bounce: since you already cannot live without some bank account and they all charge more or less the same there's no way out of that << i've never had a personal bank accouint actually.	[23:49]
decimation	is it common that people pay with credit cards in Romania?	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	depends.	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	poor people (coupon hunter housewife types) and government employees.	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	if a merchant feels they need to ask, they'll ask "are you paying cash ?" or "would you be using cash or a cc ?"	[23:53]
jurov	in slovakia, they are quite common, but trying to pay < 10euro in small shops by card is considered rude or outright rejected	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	the order is instructive i think	[23:53]
decimation	so most folk walk around with cash, unlike in the us	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-05-2014#665777	[23:54]
decimation	another bitcoin "story" from bloomberg (trying to shield you guys from the inane web interface): http://pastebin.com/pxMeVN4G	[23:54]
assbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[23:54]
assbot	http://www.bloomberg.com/video/can-a-bitcoin-etf-help-legitimize-the-currency-sM - Pastebin.com	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	ty	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	how fucking racist bloomberg is	[23:54]
decimation	yeah there is something to physical currency, it will alway have a place	[23:55]
decimation	even if it's gold micrograms encased in lucite like Moldbug suggested	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	so according to bloomberg, the fact that bitcoin etf already exists is to be ignored, because unless fucktarded white friends of theirs come to help us, we are just a bunch of niggers over here.	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	fuck you bloomberg, check your stupidilege.	[23:56]
decimation	This Eric balchunas apparently claims:	[23:57]
decimation	" I see the winklevii at conferences about bitcoin.	[23:57]
decimation	They have not really talked to anybody.	[23:57]
decimation	Is the etf community shunning it?	[23:57]
decimation	It's not a club."	[23:57]
decimation	apparently you have to be invited to thier "conference"	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	makes sense.	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	open door conferences are like open door brothels.	[23:58]
decimation	Mircea, to be specific, unless some white guy in New York City is doing a bitcoin etf, it doesn't exist	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	great place to get a skin disease	[23:58]
fluffypony	mmmm skin disease	[23:58]
fluffypony	dat leprosy	[23:58]
fluffypony	what happens if you get a skin disease AND you have skin in the game?	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	decimation it's ok, these same people will need jobs ten years from now too.	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony lol	[23:58]
decimation	it's funny how they are dividing themselves neatly into niggers.txt and non-niggers.txt	[23:59]

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