Forum logs for 10 Sep 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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pete_dushenski twas nice of mircea_popescu to (seemingly unintentionally) trick artifexd into contributing to the 31bn diff fund. [00:12]
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pete_dushenski that'd be incredible if hashrate went to sub-200k and stayed there for the next 5 days [00:13]
pete_dushenski but ya never know [00:13]
pete_dushenski ;;nethash [00:13]
gribble 203975460.22 [00:13]
pete_dushenski artifexd:^ There's my bet << so giving to teh community, this guy [00:15]
pete_dushenski so anyways, latvia... [00:15]
pete_dushenski and, as it so happened, lithuania [00:15]
penguirker New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-private-lives-of-pippa-lee-or-what-happens-to-the-old-whore/ [00:15]
pete_dushenski riga is worth a visit: fine food, reasonable prices, beautiful young women, appealing architecture [00:16]
artifexd I remain satisfied with my bet. No regrets yet. [00:16]
pete_dushenski definitely a few days worth of exploring to do here [00:16]
pete_dushenski jurmala (not your mama) is just 20km west and is the wealthy beach resort/bedroom community for riga, also well worth a visit [00:17]
pete_dushenski there's some of the most interesting residential architecture i've seen anywhere there [00:17]
pete_dushenski artifexd: it's only been 30 mins ;) [00:17]
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artifexd Yeah. We'll see how I feel in 5 days. [00:18]
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pete_dushenski kaunas, lithuania was an unexpected surprise. picturesque layout and a couple of local universities made for a lively nightlife [00:19]
pete_dushenski artifexd: mhm [00:19]
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mircea_popescu pete_dushenski fuck me i was just speaking extemporaneously [00:26]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: well maybe you'll be more careful next time [00:27]
aabtc adrrr ADutchGamer aegis agamemnon23 altoz AndrewJackson Anduck Apocalyptic arij artifexd asciilifeform assbot atcbot Azelphur [00:27]
aabtc adrrr ADutchGamer aegis agamemnon23 altoz AndrewJackson Anduck Apocalyptic arij artifexd asciilifeform assbot atcbot Azelphur [00:27]
pete_dushenski some people actually give weight to your words ;) [00:27]
asciilifeform http://cryptome.org/2014/09/nsa-14-0902.pdf [00:28]
pete_dushenski in the logs, it reads like a fisherman toying with his catch before gutting him [00:28]
asciilifeform mega-lol. might as well sue to get official naked picture of the fuhrer. [00:28]
mircea_popescu riga is worth a visit: fine food, reasonable prices, beautiful young women, appealing architecture << all true. [00:28]
asciilifeform http://imgur.com/Gy3pLkp << de-pdf'ed [00:29]
assbot suite a - Imgur [00:29]
mircea_popescu o for crying out loud. gutting my foot. [00:30]
pete_dushenski lol [00:30]
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pete_dushenski don't gut your foot now, i imagine it'd hurt [00:30]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform lulzy [00:31]
mircea_popescu "dear nsa. please give me cookies. ty." [00:31]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: one can see why riga's popular with the british stag parties, russian biznessmen, and german tourists [00:32]
artifexd I don't want anybody to feel bad. If I lose the 2btc it is not going to come close to affecting my net worth at all. As tat says, the risk/reward seems about right. [00:32]
asciilifeform if nsa were girl... 'suite a' would be - the whole orchestra. or not even sure what. [00:33]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform if nsa were a girl, it wouldn't be asking for nudies, nor for a fuck, nor for a blowjob during superball, in the parking lot. [00:34]
mircea_popescu it'd be "please cut off your clit, put it in a sushi roll and mail it to me" [00:34]
asciilifeform lol [00:34]
asciilifeform yes. [00:34]
asciilifeform approximately - this. [00:34]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1500 @ 0.00060147 = 0.9022 BTC [-] {7} [00:56]
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mthreat https://twitter.com/mthreat/status/509445812682649600 [01:00]
assbot Ok who's gonna be the first to put several Apple watches on his penis and make a teledildonics app? [01:00]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.1742419 = 0.5227 BTC [-] {3} [01:00]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.17266998 = 1.7267 BTC [-] {7} [01:03]
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RagnarDanneskjol !up RagnarsBitch [01:05]
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ThickAsThieves so this 1btcxe challenge is by CFIG, which is Havelock? [01:20]
ThickAsThieves see latest post https://www.havelockinvestments.com/ [01:20]
assbot Havelock Investments [01:20]
ThickAsThieves which is probly also these guys https://cryptocapital.co/ [01:21]
assbot Crypto Capital | Merging the Fiat & Crypto World | Exchanges, Investors, Traders [01:21]
ThickAsThieves interesting scrolly web design... [01:22]
ThickAsThieves must be a template cuz the logo sucks and doesnt match at all [01:22]
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penguirker New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/first-bitcoin-teller-machine-san-francisco/ [01:29]
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TheNewDeal ;;ticker [01:36]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 474.2, Best ask: 474.87, Bid-ask spread: 0.67000, Last trade: 474.88, 24 hour volume: 8864.99346706, 24 hour low: 459.18, 24 hour high: 476.4, 24 hour vwap: 467.204371193 [01:36]
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asciilifeform btc atm... 'Cash in and cash out' << clearly funded by u.s. mint, where they'd like to learn what the state of the art in fooling automated benjamin testers is. [01:38]
TheNewDeal please explain [01:39]
asciilifeform TheNewDeal: machine, in theory, pisses out btc when you insert usd ? [01:39]
asciilifeform TheNewDeal: hooligan inserts counterfeit usd, walks away with btc. [01:40]
TheNewDeal so the idea is to try and forge a benjamin and get a real currency in return? [01:40]
TheNewDeal gotcha [01:40]
TheNewDeal Although I think if you could produce that quality of a bill, you most likely wouldn't have a problem giving it out to others (non btc atm owners) [01:41]
jurov do i see right the camera on top of that bitcoin-teller-machine ? [01:41]
asciilifeform jurov: there's traditionally a camera on u.s. atms. [01:41]
jurov til [01:41]
asciilifeform jurov: this is why scammers, thieves, etc. put on mask. [01:41]
asciilifeform TheNewDeal: the bar is considerably lower for fooling a machine. (until recently, the readers in american vending machines did not even contain colour cameras.) [01:43]
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asciilifeform TheNewDeal: likewise, if you give a sham benjamin to a living person, he might cry out for help before you can run off. [01:44]
asciilifeform with machine - owner finds out, possibly weeks or months later, when he himself is prosecuted [01:44]
jurov well, the same was said to my fellow lamassu owner someone will put colored bills from burglared ATM in, etc. [01:44]
jurov surprise, apparently it did not happen yet in half a year [01:44]
TheNewDeal what was said jurov? [01:45]
asciilifeform right now, btc atm, as i understand, is scarce enough - and likewise scarce are the counterfeiters - that they have not yet met in 'true love' match. [01:45]
jurov TheNewDeal: they told him everyone will try to fool the machine [01:46]
asciilifeform but picture if you were a counterfeiter - could you even wish for a better place to make use of the fakes ? [01:46]
jurov well, i suppose they're fachidiots [01:46]
TheNewDeal I'm still surprised that you say it's easier to fake a machine than a person [01:46]
TheNewDeal would like to see more backup on this [01:46]
asciilifeform TheNewDeal: let's suppose you have no idea how the machine works [01:47]
asciilifeform (it is, in fact, a well-documented mechanism. but imagine.) [01:47]
TheNewDeal this is true, I haven't looked into it [01:47]
asciilifeform it is considerably safer to experiment on the machine than on your local bank teller or other live set of eyes. [01:47]
asciilifeform machine will accept or reject, but is unlikely to be programmed to rat you out (false alarms, terrible pr) and even if it were - has only a scarce idea who 'you' are (wearing your robber's mask.) [01:48]
TheNewDeal I would most definitely agree that [01:48]
asciilifeform you can try 1,000 variants until works. [01:48]
asciilifeform there was precedent, if i recall: a casino cheat in las vegas, knew exactly what a particular make of usd scanner wanted. [01:49]
asciilifeform caught, as one expects, the old-fashioned way - spotted by guard. [01:49]
BingoBoingo ATM requires fortress, news at 11 [01:51]
TheNewDeal that seems risky [01:51]
TheNewDeal with an atm, aren't you usually depositing into a bank account ? [01:52]
TheNewDeal ;;nethash [01:52]
gribble 203975460.22 [01:52]
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jurov TheNewDeal what bank account? [01:55]
TheNewDeal If I go to an atm at a casino, and I want to withdraw, where do i withdraw from? [01:56]
TheNewDeal not sure how the guy was depositing bills. Maybe it spit out casino chips or something? [01:56]
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jurov yes. and this btm accepts bills and spits out a slip with btc address or such [01:59]
jurov and the other way around [01:59]
jurov no bank involved [01:59]
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BingoBoingo If I go to an atm at a casino, and I want to withdraw, where do i withdraw from? << Not ATM at the casino, gambling machines [02:00]
TheNewDeal ooo [02:00]
BingoBoingo Casino is an interesting kind of fortress [02:02]
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cazalla gaming machines are used in au to launder hundreds of millions apparently [02:04]
asciilifeform yes - it was: usd in, casino chips out. [02:05]
cazalla i wonder if fakes get fed into the machines or if companies like aristocrat have great detection? [02:05]
asciilifeform cazalla: read about how such cheats are normally caught. [02:06]
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asciilifeform cazalla: a casino is an example of a controlled environment. no one comes remotely near a machine - a door, hell, a toilet - without being filmed from several angles [02:06]
asciilifeform and his path from the door, to machines, etc. and then out, and possibly to his car - all recorded. [02:07]
asciilifeform likewise, with casino, cheat has two basic options - win a little, but have to return many times - or win gigantic barrels, but then intense scrutiny. [02:08]
cazalla what they do here to clean the money is feed it in, have a couple spins, withdraw it from machine and it's deemed a win then [02:08]
cazalla apparently it's like half the revenue from memory [02:09]
asciilifeform unless i somehow misunderstand, btc atm that eats usd removes all of the element of risk from counterfeiting [02:09]
asciilifeform which is one more reason why mircea_popescu's prediction from earlier (that the 'saecular authorities' will not molest those who plunder or destroy btc atms) is likely to come true. [02:10]
asciilifeform the machines will be blamed for every faux benjamin that turns up, wherever. [02:10]
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cazalla what's to stop you buying a robocoin, print up some fakes and start draining the machine seeing you're not the one providing the bitcoins it dispenses? [02:14]
asciilifeform wait - they actually franchise these ? [02:15]
asciilifeform lol! [02:15]
BingoBoingo !b 3 [02:16]
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jurov cazalla afaik owner is responsible for cash management himself [02:16]
cazalla well they provide the liquidity from exchanges compared to say a lamassu where the owner provides the coins and it can go empty [02:16]
jurov they are not that foolhardy [02:17]
mircea_popescu must be a template cuz the logo sucks and doesnt match at all <<< looks like it. [02:17]
jurov but do they exchange btc for cash? i doubt that, i think owner has to bring the cash to bank and wire them [02:17]
cazalla why would you want cash though? [02:18]
mircea_popescu til << this is the case in slovakia too. look around. [02:18]
jurov yes, but camera is not in the front of face [02:18]
jurov it's usually nearby of atm [02:19]
mircea_popescu well ok [02:19]
mircea_popescu this must be a compact design [02:19]
cazalla i guess you could always step a homeless guy through it and pay him for his time, handprint, ID etc [02:20]
mircea_popescu with machine - owner finds out, possibly weeks or months later, when he himself is prosecuted << there's really no prosecution. i've had fake bills in the common course of business multiple times all over. it happens. [02:20]
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mircea_popescu you can try 1,000 variants until works. << you can buy one and try safely. [02:21]
asciilifeform that also. [02:21]
asciilifeform this is how most 'pro' machine diddlers of all kinds roll, incidentally. [02:21]
asciilifeform what better than to saw it open and reverse at one's leisure. [02:21]
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jurov from #monero: [02:23]
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jurov yea i spend 1.5euro/day to make 0.15 let's scale it up! [02:24]
jurov that's a good margin actualy [02:24]
mircea_popescu !s "loss on every sale" [02:24]
assbot 1 results for '"loss on every sale"' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%22loss+on+every+sale%22 [02:24]
mircea_popescu ha! [02:24]
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mircea_popescu i guess you could always step a homeless guy << fun fact : police in timisoara started getting bonuses by total fine volume. total fine volume went up. total fine arrears went way up. city hall in hot water over it, turns out... [02:25]
mircea_popescu all the bums owed massive fines for all sorts of things. [02:25]
mircea_popescu romanian law is quite permissive : if he can't pay and has no income, you can convict the guy to community service. [02:26]
mircea_popescu if he doesn't show up... well... that's a fine. [02:26]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: in usa, never such a problem. they'd simply confiscate houses, cars, mattresses of money, until shortfall vanishes. [02:28]
mircea_popescu these were town cops, recently created, coed force, most of the girls ex hookers. [02:28]
mircea_popescu i actually got blown by policewoman off main square just for the pedigree. [02:29]
asciilifeform lol! [02:29]
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mircea_popescu so i leave there and come here, right ? guess what. the town is creating its own town police force, to escape from federal jurisdiction. [02:31]
mircea_popescu it's like a time threadmill. [02:31]
cazalla mircea_popescu, hilarious [02:31]
mircea_popescu it's something else, their uniform actually included heels. [02:32]
mircea_popescu the ro ones i mean. [02:32]
jurov we even have an euphemism "social worker" exactly for this [02:32]
mircea_popescu im all in favour, incidentally. what are the girls to do ? [02:33]
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* asciilifeform pictures a future, arabian btc atm, with built-in hand chopper for those who trip some alarm or other. [02:34]
mircea_popescu nobody'd use it. [02:34]
asciilifeform nobody'd use it << who the hell wants to use today's, with its palm scanner ? [02:34]
asciilifeform almost as discouraging. [02:34]
mircea_popescu uh ? [02:35]
jurov i'd prefer it'd accept teeth.. iirc mircea asserted they are very hard to fake [02:36]
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mircea_popescu dude, you ever got blown ? palm scanner != hand chopper just like being sucked off != having your cock bit off. [02:36]
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mircea_popescu palmformation wants to be free damnit. [02:36]
jurov actually needs not be cut off. just held fast by vacuum till reinforcements arrive [02:37]
mircea_popescu also, to encourage the nwo fighters : here in argentina, you can't have a signature certified by any notary unless you leave a thumbprint on the paper. they have little ink things and errything. [02:37]
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mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/ [02:40]
assbot BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD :: 75 B (9%) on Yes, 737.19 B (91%) on No | closing in 2 months 1 week| weight: 19`804 (100`000 to 1) [02:40]
mircea_popescu 10:1 this and 13:1 that ThickAsThieves ? srsly nao. [02:40]
asciilifeform re: automatic punishers, obligatory: [02:41]
asciilifeform http://37.media.tumblr.com/ffcf65fd4cdffb7ad94b06e7f870be76/tumblr_moca4vfgiu1qz4yqio1_1280.jpg [02:41]
asciilifeform (that's -exactly- how i pictured it. and why herr kafka never gets credit for inventing dot-matrix printer, i'll never understand. this confounded me as a schoolboy.) [02:42]
jurov did you ask the teacher? [02:42]
asciilifeform what teacher. [02:42]
jurov o kafka was your extracurricular activity? [02:43]
mircea_popescu you were schoolboy in the lake ? [02:43]
asciilifeform lol [02:43]
asciilifeform beautiful comic, but missing the gag pad, which is why i even remembered about der strafkolonie - jurov's toothmark authenticator. [02:43]
jurov lol that would be good app for ipad [02:44]
jurov in line with personal weight [02:44]
jurov http://imgur.com/Hayx0 [02:46]
assbot Some asshole told me I could use my ipad to weigh myself - Imgur [02:46]
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* jurov goes on binge with crazy iApps: http://krapps.com/2010/04/23/wart-healer-iphone-app/ [02:47]
assbot Genital Warts? This Amazing iPhone App Can Help! | KRAPPS | a different and funny iPhone app review site [02:47]
asciilifeform ''There are straps for the hands here, for the feet here, and for the throat here, to tie him in securely. At the head of the bed here, where the man, as I have mentioned, first lies face down, is this small protruding lump of felt, which can easily be adjusted so that it presses right into the man’s mouth. Its purpose is to prevent him screaming and biting his tongue to pieces. Of course, the man has to let t [02:49]
asciilifeform he felt in his mouth—otherwise the straps around his throat would break his neck.” “That’s cotton wool?” asked the Traveler and bent down. “Yes, it is,” said the Officer smiling,“feel it for yourself.”'' [02:49]
asciilifeform (i. johnston's translation. lifted from http://www.cwrl.utexas.edu/~davis/crs/e321/Kafka-PenalColony.pdf) [02:49]
assbot 404 Not Found [02:49]
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mircea_popescu space after url ftr. [02:51]
asciilifeform aha [02:51]
jurov http://krapps.com/2011/01/08/sexy-star-wars-pinups/ i'll leave this here [02:51]
assbot Sexy Star Wars Pinups - EWWW! | KRAPPS | a different and funny iPhone app review site [02:51]
mircea_popescu jurov btw that ro kid ever got in touch ? [02:52]
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jurov what kid? i forgot [02:54]
mircea_popescu the one with the repackaged gentoo or what was it [02:55]
mircea_popescu yeah, gentoo [02:55]
jurov if he contacted me i'd likely remember [02:57]
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mircea_popescu kids today are too shy. [02:58]
jurov clearly not beaten enough [02:58]
mircea_popescu !b 2 [02:58]
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mircea_popescu zing a zing ding ding ding [02:58]
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mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H_vkhc6yFQ << check out this fucking derp. [03:00]
assbot PNL: programacin neurolingstica - YouTube [03:00]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: hypnosis ? [03:01]
mircea_popescu nlp. [03:01]
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BingoBoingo Apple naming is retarding, what the fuck is up with a watch, watch edition [03:07]
devthedev Who knows? The device seems pretty feature rich though. [03:11]
mircea_popescu o, they launched a new isomething ? [03:12]
BingoBoingo Yeah, some sort of wrist screen. Three version. watch, watch sport edition, and watch watch edition [03:13]
mircea_popescu i think it's a star trek trope this, the magic watch [03:14]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: looks quite like their smallest 'ipod' product, but with straps on. [03:14]
mircea_popescu no wait. bond, was it ? [03:14]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: It really does. [03:14]
mircea_popescu http://38.media.tumblr.com/927a6345b6090367454dd78b57cbd037/tumblr_n1dw775zW31rmrwgqo1_1280.jpg << somewhat related. [03:14]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what waveform did you use ? [03:15]
mircea_popescu lol not my pic, and it looks like dc. [03:15]
asciilifeform banana jack colours can deceive. [03:15]
mircea_popescu true this. [03:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 1000 @ 0.0015 = 1.5 BTC [+] {5} [03:16]
mircea_popescu o btw, did i ever tell you how i illustrated the concept of current as a thing to bright young minds ? [03:16]
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asciilifeform use square wave with no dc offset (or your partner will grumble, chemical burns from hcl) [03:17]
asciilifeform salt water is great for electric chair, where the action is over in minutes, but useless here. use the green gel that is sold for eeg machines. [03:18]
asciilifeform concept of current ? [03:18]
mircea_popescu myeah. [03:19]
asciilifeform let's guess - explained via demonstration. [03:19]
mircea_popescu get a steppable transformer. wrap packing tin foil around dildo, insert. set transformer to low voltage, short over dildo-clit. [03:19]
mircea_popescu set transformer on high voltage, short idem. [03:19]
mircea_popescu the burn being the same in both cases, shows that current is current. [03:19]
mircea_popescu proceed to explain wattage, voltage, amperage. [03:20]
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asciilifeform bad demo. meat is not an ideal resistive load. [03:21]
mircea_popescu so you only use it on feminist chicklets that think the cunt is an ideal material. [03:22]
asciilifeform http://soundlab.cs.princeton.edu/learning/tutorials/sensors/img29.gif [03:22]
asciilifeform lol [03:22]
mircea_popescu anyway. experimentally it's pretty close, and when coupled with the subjectivistor inside the subject's skull it works fine. [03:23]
mircea_popescu (ie, i didn't measure the effects, i inquired as to the effects) [03:23]
* asciilifeform used a constant-current amplifier [03:24]
asciilifeform http://www.eecs.tufts.edu/~dsculley/tutorial/opamps/opAmpCurrentSource.JPG << like this. [03:24]
mircea_popescu was this as part of brain plasticity experiments ? [03:25]
asciilifeform byproduct of different experiment. [03:25]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2014#487646 [03:25]
assbot Logged on 07-02-2014 18:15:28; asciilifeform: confession: at one point when i was younger, i did succumb to the temptation to replicate various soviet experiments and put current through my brain. [03:25]
asciilifeform had apparatus left over. [03:25]
mircea_popescu lol [03:26]
mircea_popescu since we're doing scary biostuff, http://33.media.tumblr.com/f63c5beaf6f9a4f8a2a229ed2e96ed0d/tumblr_n5b4pxJTPB1r4lyg6o1_400.gif [03:28]
kakobrekla Logged on 07-02-2014 18:15:28; asciilifeform: confession: at one point when i was younger, i did succumb to the temptation to replicate various soviet experiments and put current through my brain. < looks like it worked wonders [03:29]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that's gotta be fake [03:29]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform why ? [03:29]
asciilifeform what kind of meat propagates wave like solid block of sorbothane. [03:30]
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mircea_popescu girlfat ? [03:31]
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mircea_popescu isn't sorbothane based on studying female thighs anyway ? [03:32]
* asciilifeform showed to pet, who believes it's plausible [03:32]
mircea_popescu im pretty sure it's factual. [03:32]
kakobrekla asciilifeform any particular voltage / current one should aim for? [03:33]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: in which experiment. [03:33]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla you're not seriously going to do this ? [03:33]
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asciilifeform kakobrekla: if mircea_popescu's - why ask me. ask your playmates. [03:33]
mircea_popescu now listen here kako. i can live with the cardano taking forever. but bitbet gotta stay online. [03:33]
asciilifeform lol [03:33]
mircea_popescu hehe [03:33]
kakobrekla lol [03:34]
kakobrekla well ok i wont do it now that you pointed that out [03:34]
kakobrekla still curious about the values, ascii? [03:34]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: again, values for which. girlfat, or for stage 4 sleep? [03:35]
kakobrekla ah sorry i thought that got cleared out. the current through brain. [03:35]
mircea_popescu lampelina run honey. i'll keep him busy. [03:36]
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kakobrekla lol [03:36]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: for the latter, i never found a satisfactory setting where i could pronounce the old papers - replicated. but the usual idea is to set 100-200 Hz, square wave (some insist sinusoid instead), constant current (not constant voltage) output, and ramp up from zero. [03:36]
mircea_popescu anyone here know norman spinrad ? [03:36]
kakobrekla logged [03:36]
kakobrekla perhaps we even discussed this in ro but i forgot [03:37]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: used own replica of old soviet mask, anode on eyelids, cathode on occiput [03:37]
kakobrekla fun [03:37]
mircea_popescu i'd have imagined it'd be temple to temple [03:39]
asciilifeform nope. afaik that never worked. [03:39]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Current through the temporal lobes alone likely has undesirable side effects [03:39]
asciilifeform americans, if i recall, tried ear-to-ear. [03:39]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo like ? [03:40]
asciilifeform (there's a commercial product in usa with earclips, forget which.) [03:40]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well, temporal lobe is where most of the electical dysfunctions happen in most forms of epilepsy. [03:40]
mircea_popescu but you can't give yourself epilepsy [03:41]
mircea_popescu hm. i guess if you stress a weak system it may come huh. [03:41]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: actually, there's a way. [03:41]
BingoBoingo Called kindling effect [03:41]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i vaguely recall an experiment from the '70s where everyone who was placed in apparatus had seizure. from ordinary flash lamp - but not at the familiar 20hz which sets off known sufferers [03:42]
BingoBoingo Accidently yourself enough seizures, they'll start coming on their own. [03:42]
mircea_popescu pity one can't resolve vitus' dance by just putting current through to reset things [03:42]
asciilifeform but tied to eeg peaks of victim. [03:42]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform see, that'd be much better interrogation technique. [03:42]
* asciilifeform read this many years ago, and wondered if anyone tried the obvious next step [03:42]
asciilifeform that is, record what pattern of flashes is necessary, for average victim, and play back [03:43]
asciilifeform Obligatory: [03:43]
asciilifeform http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/stories/blit.htm [03:43]
assbot BLIT - a short story by David Langford [03:43]
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mircea_popescu holy shit. [03:58]
mircea_popescu apparently there was a case of a symptomatic rabies patient that survived. [03:58]
mircea_popescu ;;google milwaukee protocol [03:59]
gribble Milwaukee protocol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Failure of the Milwaukee Protocol in a Child With Rabies: ; Rabies may not be the invincible killer we thought - health - 21 June ...: [03:59]
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mircea_popescu "This was their part of town; the women flocked there each morning, twittering in their saris like bright alien canaries." [04:07]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform twittering was a word ? who knew. [04:07]
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ThickAsThieves <+mircea_popescu> 10:1 this and 13:1 that ThickAsThieves ? srsly nao. // is that the 10000btcusd bet odds vs the 31b diff bet odds? [04:08]
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mircea_popescu yep [04:08]
ThickAsThieves 10000btc seems much less likely imo [04:09]
mircea_popescu exactly. [04:09]
mircea_popescu and it's priced 10:1 which seems reasonable more or less. [04:09]
ThickAsThieves i bet Yes [04:10]
ThickAsThieves youre welcome whoever... maybe! [04:10]
mircea_popescu lol [04:10]
ThickAsThieves so i'm playing with this 1BRCXE challenge [04:12]
ThickAsThieves where the fuck does the order book come from? [04:12]
ThickAsThieves 1BTCXE* [04:12]
ThickAsThieves https://1btcxe.com/buy-sell.php [04:12]
assbot Login [04:12]
ThickAsThieves seems like it might just be a random market excercise and not tied to real market at all [04:13]
ThickAsThieves lol: [04:14]
ThickAsThieves We won't allow placing buy-limit orders at 20% or more below the market price. [04:14]
ThickAsThieves We won't allow placing buy-limit orders at a price below that of the user's sell-stop orders. [04:14]
ThickAsThieves We won't allow placing sell-stop orders at a price above that of the user's buy-limit orders. [04:14]
asciilifeform mega-lol >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfsWoNpHg2s << had no idea someone had an english translation of this. [04:14]
assbot The Volga Boatmen - sung by Paul Robeson - YouTube [04:14]
ThickAsThieves "circuit-breaker measures" [04:14]
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mircea_popescu weirdo arbitrary nonsense. [04:15]
mircea_popescu anyway [04:15]
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thestringpuller !l m s.mpoe [04:22]
assbot Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00077114 BTC [-] [04:22]
thestringpuller ;;ticker [04:23]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 474.17, Best ask: 475.47, Bid-ask spread: 1.30000, Last trade: 475.48, 24 hour volume: 9446.51164521, 24 hour low: 459.18, 24 hour high: 476.4, 24 hour vwap: 467.933946682 [04:23]
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BingoBoingo http://valleywag.gawker.com/clinkle-ceos-statement-on-apple-pay-reads-like-a-eulogy-1632726709/+gabriellebluestone [04:27]
assbot Clinkle CEO's Statement On Apple Pay Reads Like a Eulogy [04:27]
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* asciilifeform never heard of a 'clinkle' before - and guesses that it might be a service which lets you nominate people for the clink. [04:36]
BingoBoingo It's payment fro smartphones, but by Sound!!! [04:37]
asciilifeform snore. [04:37]
BingoBoingo Exactly, but it raised 30 million dollars [04:37]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2014#814484 [04:38]
assbot Logged on 29-08-2014 04:46:41; asciilifeform: mike church was ripped a new arse here, but he had a good piece on how such 'laundries' work [04:38]
BingoBoingo Indeed [04:39]
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BingoBoingo Oh, apparently the brain electricity stuff for sleep et al is being commercialized https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cranial_electrotherapy_stimulation [04:51]
assbot Cranial electrotherapy stimulation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [04:51]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: long ago. [04:52]
BingoBoingo Well, introduced into the US with approvals recently [04:52]
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kakobrekla since we are still on a brain frying subject, is there any explanation to why 100-200hz is the shit [05:14]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: last i checked - none that had predictive power (i.e. worth bothering with.) [05:15]
kakobrekla mkay [05:16]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: latest fashion is magnetically-induced currents. [05:17]
asciilifeform for good overview, see wassermann, epstein & ziemann - 'oxford handbook of transcranial stimulation' [05:17]
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kakobrekla sounds like a beach read [05:18]
asciilifeform at this point there's probably a 'for dummies' [05:18]
kakobrekla lol [05:18]
asciilifeform the machines are now ubiquitous [05:18]
asciilifeform (helmholtz coil with plumbing for water - must actively cool - and a power source similar to what one might find in a large stroboscope.) [05:19]
asciilifeform i once set about building this one too - but life got in the way. [05:20]
asciilifeform if you want one - 'ebay.' [05:20]
asciilifeform re: 100hz - i do lean towards the soviet hypothesis that at least a third of the sleep cycle is a vestigial waste of time. [05:21]
asciilifeform but i was not able to replicate the famous result of going straight 'to the goods' [05:21]
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The20YearIRCloud So shock therapy is old? [05:22]
asciilifeform 'shock therapy' is entirely different affair [05:23]
asciilifeform 10-100x the current. [05:23]
asciilifeform induced seizures. [05:23]
asciilifeform it, too, is still used. quite popular in usa, i'm told. [05:23]
asciilifeform now with anaesthetics, so no more picturesque screaming madman in straps [05:24]
asciilifeform just a fellow a few thousand $ poorer and with episodic memory loss. [05:24]
TheNewDeal ding ding ding [05:30]
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The20YearIRCloud How is everyone? [05:32]
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TheNewDeal grrrrrrrrreat [05:50]
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The20YearIRCloud so how's the exchange doing? [06:49]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: Oh, apparently the brain electricity stuff for sleep et al is being commercialized << well of course, everything's being commercialised, from cow piss (redbull) to an app to prove you're rich. dun really much matter if it works, as long as someone somewhere thought of it, it's available to buy. [14:48]
mircea_popescu gotta keep teh economy out. [14:48]
mircea_popescu i mean up [14:48]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: re: 100hz - i do lean towards the soviet hypothesis that at least a third of the sleep cycle is a vestigial waste of time. <<< why ? [14:49]
xmj BingoBoingo: brain electricity sleep stuff is prone to commercial failure, see Zeo. [14:49]
mircea_popescu to me all this "let's improve sleep" stuff reads a lot like "this cnc control code would be a lot better if we took out all sleep() references" [14:49]
xmj BingoBoingo: you can *technically* exist on 2h of pure REM sleep a day. [14:50]
mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud: So shock therapy is old? << just about contemporaneous with electricity itself. [14:50]
xmj I know people who have done so for long(er) stretches of times [14:50]
xmj fluffypony: I got confused. aren't AES routines implemented by libcrypto? [14:50]
fluffypony xmj: afair this is used in the PoW, so it uses openaes for speed [14:52]
xmj PoW? [14:52]
mircea_popescu fluffypony afaik lcompat just does a gettimeofday clal anyway [14:53]
mircea_popescu xmj proof of work eh. [14:53]
xmj gotcha [14:53]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: yes exactly [14:53]
fluffypony lcompat seems to be working fine [14:53]
xmj fluffypony: thing being, iff it uses AES AND iff AES needs to be fast, you'll want to look into crypto(4) and aesni(4) [14:53]
fluffypony but going to actually rip this out and rewrite it to use gettimeofday on bsd [14:53]
mircea_popescu i wouldn't expect any problems. in fact it's probably better reviewed code than w/e it's been replaced with anyway. [14:53]
* xmj still waits for OpenSSL to be replaced with LibreSSL on FreeBSD [14:54]
mircea_popescu other than proper cryptography for all foss, as discussed coupla days re gentoo overlays etc, i would fucking love for all lines of code to come with a counter. [14:55]
mircea_popescu "how many times this was read. increment by hand" [14:55]
mircea_popescu as a v0.1. then for v0.2 of this, have an actual crypto signed procedure where everyone who reads a line of code signs and it's wot-abble this. [14:56]
mircea_popescu that's what github'd be doing, if it weren't wasting its time with imbecile females vying for attention the only way imbecile females know how. [14:56]
mircea_popescu anyone want to make a fork of git and implement all this ? [14:58]
RagnarDanneskjol yes [15:09]
xmj mircea_popescu: do feel free to put your money where your mouth is. [15:11]
xmj i'm sure you'll find lots of people who love paying for this [15:11]
mircea_popescu xmj what exactly makes you think my money isn't where my mouth is, nooblet ? [15:12]
xmj oh here we go again [15:13]
xmj /ignore -replies mircea_popescu [15:13]
mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol ima wait for delivery on that other thing first, and i have a queue there anyway. [15:13]
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xmj better. [15:14]
mircea_popescu ie, i'll need another bot after that one [15:14]
RagnarDanneskjol He and Alz had a long convo about it a few hours ago.. also put him in touch with chetty - discussed gribble for eulora [15:15]
mircea_popescu gribble for eulora ? wut ? [15:15]
RagnarDanneskjol he is going to deliver way ahead of schedule I believe [15:15]
chetty mircea_popescu, said there should be a gribble npc ... [15:16]
mircea_popescu o, in the monthly report ? [15:16]
mircea_popescu i read "gribble for #eulora" for some reason. [15:17]
RagnarDanneskjol oh - that too [15:17]
mircea_popescu lol this guy. hey RagnarDanneskjol is there something you won't try to do ? :D [15:17]
RagnarDanneskjol no homo [15:17]
mircea_popescu you coming for the $conference incidentally ? [15:18]
RagnarDanneskjol which? [15:18]
mircea_popescu $conference [15:18]
empyex mircea_popescu: Next conference starts in 7 months and 7 days. Estimated cost today: 2.76775979 BTC (Details: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ ) [15:18]
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RagnarDanneskjol sure, sounds fun. I missed that [15:20]
mircea_popescu that's why that bot command is so handy. easy to miss things in the deluge. [15:21]
mircea_popescu i think fluffypony was going to charter a plane or i dun remember how that went. [15:21]
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RagnarDanneskjol nice. so are you staying in BA for the forseeable future (not that its any my business) [15:22]
fluffypony we haven't really pursued that idea, the nice charters are very expensive per-person even if we fill the plane [15:22]
mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol yeah. fluffypony i imagined :p [15:23]
mircea_popescu o hey, there's something for xmj https://bitcointa.lk/threads/popescud-need-not-be-a-verb-nor-a-discussion-all-say-aye-say-aye-aye.286274/ [15:28]
assbot Popescu'd need not be a verb nor a discussion. All say aye.., say AYE!, "AYE!" | Bitcointa.lk [15:28]
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mircea_popescu http://33.media.tumblr.com/16f4a23c3513a7073668fff76fe5d882/tumblr_n5nl0rB2mf1sc74vfo1_500.jpg << talking about teh human condition... [15:45]
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mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/OCvuUxX.gif [16:17]
nubbins` so i've got these two new roomies [16:18]
nubbins` one of 'em just got a job at canada's top restaurant, which is, conveniently, just a short tumble down the hill from here [16:18]
nubbins` current plan is to injure his legs and confine him to the kitchen here [16:19]
xmj solid plan [16:19]
xmj nubbins`: alternatively you could -ask- them [16:19]
nubbins` oh he's already said he's gonna recreate some menu items for us [16:19]
nubbins` i just want to seal the deal [16:20]
nubbins` related: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/food-and-wine/food-trends/jeremy-charles-canadas-real-top-chef/article20495580/ [16:20]
assbot Jeremy Charles: Canadas real top chef - The Globe and Mail [16:20]
cazalla https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/509458562167226368 this cunt is coming to australia [16:20]
assbot My November speaking tour is coming together: LA, Sydney, Melbourne, Auckland, Queenstown [16:20]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform "computer monitor of better than 600 x 300 pixels resolution." pandering to the new ega displays i see ? :D [16:21]
nubbins` ^ lel [16:21]
mircea_popescu you wanna seal the deal by breaking a guy's legs ? [16:21]
mircea_popescu jesus canucks are tought. [16:21]
nubbins` i'd like a gribble module that polls alf's output for interesting short stories [16:22]
nubbins` mircea_popescu the climate made us this way [16:22]
mircea_popescu no wonder all the eskimos are gone with only some scroungy inuit left [16:22]
mircea_popescu YOU FUCKEM ATE THEM DIDNT YOU [16:22]
nubbins` it's only with the advent of higher temperatures that we've mellowed. 10 years ago i woulda had the guy surgically attached to the kitchen counter [16:22]
nubbins` heh [16:23]
mircea_popescu cazalla lol speaking tours. this is roughly the equivalent of the plague, don't envy a man his misery. [16:23]
nubbins` besides, the aboriginal people in this province are generally innu; you'd have to go a lot farther for inuit [16:23]
mircea_popescu you mean Two Dogs isn't originally populated by dogs ? [16:24]
nubbins` in fact, both were bred from an animal called the St. John's Water Dog [16:25]
nubbins` itself, a mixture of portuguese, english, and irish working dogs [16:25]
nubbins` why in the fuck do i know all this? [16:25]
mircea_popescu because you're canadian, and that makes you weird ? :D [16:25]
nubbins` heh. [16:26]
nubbins` golden retrievers come from this same stock [16:26]
mircea_popescu anyway, one wonders what happens when a coupla gals working canada's best whorehouse move in with nubsy. [16:26]
nubbins` almost all modern retrievers, in fact [16:26]
nubbins` mp: "in fact, the clitoris is located above the vulva, not below" [16:26]
mircea_popescu surgically attached to toilet bowl, shower curtain or bedstand ? [16:26]
nubbins` toilet bowl, wtf? [16:27]
nubbins` "this one just shits" [16:27]
mircea_popescu "here i shit, here i piss, here i come" [16:27]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform anyway, the fundamnetal idea is sound. if one could weaponize idiocy at will one wouldn't need any further wishes from the djinn. [16:31]
nubbins` i feel like there's loot to be made with one of those bitcoin ATMs here, but i also feel like i can't be fucked to manage an ATM [16:31]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform anyway, the close is flawed. the mind can not on its own recreate the damagingly illogical. this is pretty much the largest most important safety we have. [16:36]
mircea_popescu it's a biological protection on the level of "dead by holding his own breath", except implemented in nature rather than in the body. [16:37]
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nubbins` ah, in the normal run of events, sure. [16:42]
nubbins` go visit a bughouse and tell me none of those people recreated the damagingly illogical :D [16:43]
mircea_popescu nubbins` http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/stories/blit.htm [16:43]
assbot BLIT - a short story by David Langford [16:43]
mircea_popescu it's a sf story about how the exposure to fractals make brains pop. [16:43]
nubbins` (i know a guy who claims he's had a cube stuck inside his brain for ~17 years. he declines to elaborate) [16:43]
nubbins` yah, i read that last night [16:44]
nubbins` good one [16:44]
nubbins` snow crash, same idea but novel-length and w/ language rather than sight [16:44]
nubbins` and, inexplicably, an adult male having sex with a female child [16:44]
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mircea_popescu sf is period code for weirdo [16:46]
mircea_popescu much like queer used to be code for weirdo [16:46]
mircea_popescu so for some inexplainable reason 93% of all the comment spam sent to trilema has to do with bags [16:47]
mircea_popescu ie, women's handbags. [16:47]
mircea_popescu wtf. [16:47]
nubbins` sci-fi eye on the straight guy [16:47]
ThickAsThieves <+mircea_popescu> it's a sf story about how the exposure to fractals make brains pop. /// a couple weeks ago i was charting for hours on end, using fib spirals and picking apart fractal patterns, and this repeating melody started in my head, not a song i knew, just a sequence. It was there for a day or two. First time I was musically inspired in a while. [16:48]
mircea_popescu not bad. [16:48]
mircea_popescu im curious who's gonna be the first b-a alumn to become famous in an unrelated field. [16:49]
mircea_popescu (i also have a bet with some unfriendly parties as to whether that film' gonna be criminal insanity or not, but that's a different story) [16:50]
mircea_popescu s/film/first/ [16:50]
ThickAsThieves bitcoin has nasty habit of consuming "unrelated fields" [16:51]
nubbins` http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/U33LTcjZhGN/MTV+TRL+Presents+Jonas+Brothers+T+Lady+GaGa/1zXNO2Hhne-/John+Keefe [16:51]
assbot John Keefe Pictures - MTV TRL Presents The Jonas Brothers, T.I., Lady GaGa and Boys Like Girls - Zimbio [16:51]
nubbins` that douche on the left has essentially the same name as me [16:52]
nubbins` closest i've gotten to fame so far [16:52]
nubbins` infamy, i'm already there. but fame? different story [16:52]
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nubbins` mask on a web client? [16:58]
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mircea_popescu infamy ? how are you infamous ? [17:00]
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mircea_popescu and yes, you can login with nameserv from a webirc session as well as from any other session [17:00]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: vestigial waste of time. <<< why <<<< if you pharmacologically zap stages 3 and 4 of sleep - eventually death. stages 1 and 2 are spandrels. they're, as far as anybody knows, worthless - if you sleep only 1 and 2, approx. same as not sleeping at all. but our meat is not equipped for skipping straight to 3 normally. [17:08]
mircea_popescu define worthless. [17:08]
mircea_popescu what's your measure of worth ? [17:08]
asciilifeform waste of time. [17:08]
asciilifeform ;;google evolutionary spandrel [17:08]
gribble Spandrel (biology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Evolution The Spandrels of San Marco and the Panglossian ...: ; Adaptations, Exaptations, and Spandrels - Social Sciences Division: [17:08]
mircea_popescu you know that's no good do you ? [17:08]
asciilifeform not that 'stage 1+2 is a spandrel' is a proven hypothesis, of course. merely that it has not been tested. i suspect that it can be proven. [17:10]
mircea_popescu but even if it were, that's still not enough for what you're arguing. [17:10]
asciilifeform if it were, that's still not enough << ?? [17:11]
mircea_popescu it isn't. you're saying it's "a waste of time", a spandrel merely means "not directly resulting from selection" [17:11]
mircea_popescu these aren't the same strength. [17:12]
asciilifeform aha [17:12]
mircea_popescu take the case of the heart. [17:12]
asciilifeform perhaps spandrel is wrong word. [17:12]
mircea_popescu the heart is a well designed pump, that works very well in its own engineering envelope. [17:12]
mircea_popescu people who use it outside of that envelope, such as for instance habitual stimulant abusers, stock brokers and other such "high stress" occupations usually die of heart failure. [17:12]
mircea_popescu the reason for this is that the heart can't do too many regime change cycles a day [17:13]
mircea_popescu now, having a period of time where it can relax and clean up may be exactly what it needs. even if this is enforced by cnc paralysis rather than another venue [17:13]
asciilifeform sure. [17:14]
mircea_popescu the human body being a final case of "the protocol is the code". it works like we've discussed, as this insane collection of things repaired by malfunction in unassociated things [17:14]
asciilifeform hence stages 3, 4. [17:14]
mircea_popescu there were some renaissance mechanical models for this. [17:14]
thestringpuller ;;later tell BingoBoingo good luck my friend [17:14]
gribble The operation succeeded. [17:14]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform note that for me to disprove your stance, all i need is an example of possible failure, which i've satisfied. for you to support your stance giving a counterexample is not enough. [17:14]
asciilifeform hypothesis here is that stages 1 and 2 are 'runway' [17:15]
mircea_popescu i read the hypothesis here as "stages 1 and 2 can be safely removed" [17:15]
asciilifeform test would be - some means of reliably rocketing through them straight to 3 on demand. [17:15]
asciilifeform (and staying in 3+4 without the normal gaps of 1,2) [17:16]
mircea_popescu only problem with that test is you won't be able to distinguish the source of any side effects - from the rocketing or from the rocket. [17:16]
asciilifeform certainly. [17:16]
thestringpuller walking into bitcoin-assets becomes more like walking into a random lecutre hall at a good university... [17:16]
mircea_popescu but anyway. i don't expect improvement here. [17:16]
thestringpuller and this is just "normal" conversation [17:16]
* mircea_popescu waves at thestringpuller [17:16]
asciilifeform just as the example you gave, of stimulant abusers - most of the documented medical sequelae, afaik, are from extreme sleep deprivation... [17:17]
mircea_popescu well, they removed 1 and 2 did they not. [17:17]
* thestringpuller salutes mircea_popescu and asciilifeform *good day sirs* [17:17]
asciilifeform and 3, 4, and they won't even lie down [17:17]
asciilifeform yes. [17:17]
mircea_popescu rocket and rocketing again :) [17:17]
mircea_popescu but at this point, we suddenly face the danger of falling into nominalism. consider a pill that zaps 1&2 so you can 3-4 only, withj the caveat that to be used safe over a century, you have to lie down for two to three hours each day and relax independently of sleep. [17:18]
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mircea_popescu well... so what does the pill do again ? allows you to rename things ? i can do that w/o pills :D [17:19]
asciilifeform well, for one thing you could 'sleep' when not palpably weary [17:19]
mircea_popescu i can do that now. [17:19]
asciilifeform like housecat [17:19]
asciilifeform (some people already know how to do this, yes.) [17:19]
mircea_popescu theres really nothing to know, you just... lie down and sleep [17:19]
asciilifeform then perhaps mutants. [17:20]
* asciilifeform cannot do this unless chronically deprived of sleep [17:20]
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mircea_popescu !up chalbersma [17:21]
-assbot- You voiced chalbersma for 30 minutes. [17:21]
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mircea_popescu i think the more likely producitve approach is psychologic tho [17:21]
mircea_popescu can you normally tell what's wrong with you, if something's wrong, and what food item was the cause, if you're sick ? [17:21]
mircea_popescu nubbins` http://www.reddit.com/r/shutupandtakemymoney/comments/2g099b/what_is_bitcoin_silkscreened_posters_150_left/ [17:21]
assbot "What is Bitcoin?" silkscreened posters [1/50 left] : shutupandtakemymoney [17:21]
nubbins` ha [17:22]
nubbins` an honor, i'm sure [17:22]
asciilifeform i'd say yes [17:22]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform so then just lie down with yourself and relax, it's doable. [17:22]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: takes an hour or to to even begin to switch gears, and that's if tired. [17:23]
mircea_popescu why ? [17:23]
nubbins` oh, it links to the ink-mixing post [17:23]
* asciilifeform precisely wishes to know why [17:23]
nubbins` i thought this was some sort of sarcastic butthurt style reddit [17:24]
nubbins` now i'm just confused [17:24]
ThickAsThieves skip to 3&4 with 5 shots of vodka [17:24]
asciilifeform ThickAsThieves: opposite effect, there. [17:24]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform say, take the pet, go to yoga class. [17:24]
mircea_popescu on one hand, chicks in yoga pants! [17:24]
mircea_popescu on the other hand, relaxation is an important skill. [17:24]
ThickAsThieves but but vodka makes you live longer [17:25]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i dun sell gherkins to gardners and vodka to russians. [17:25]
chetty mircea_popescu, has these insane instant change mode switches .... he really don't understand how the rest of us live [17:27]
* asciilifeform doesn't know the secret of the hypothetical, legendary 'motorized sleep.' but suspects that, just as eight cylinder engine is an improvement over the most skilled runner, there could be a means for improvement here. [17:27]
ThickAsThieves maybe we need to go on life support when we sleep [17:28]
asciilifeform ThickAsThieves: question'd be, which sort. [17:29]
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mircea_popescu i don't think sleep improvement is impossible per se. but i do think what's herein contemplated is of the level of improving cpu caching with drills, lathes and other mechanical tools. [17:29]
mircea_popescu even if it works it hasn't worked. [17:29]
asciilifeform lol! [17:29]
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ThickAsThieves maybe humans have a built in hibernation function we dont know how to work yet [17:29]
mircea_popescu or maybe sleep is a very high level cognitive function, and humanity still struggles with logic. [17:30]
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ThickAsThieves maybe we're always sleeping [17:30]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you got the stomach for some mysticism ? [17:30]
* asciilifeform has wild, '9000%' variation in sleep quality from day to day, since childhood, and would be satisfied with knowing why and having knobs for it. [17:30]
asciilifeform sure [17:30]
mircea_popescu you know anything about the pashtun ? [17:30]
asciilifeform quite a bit. [17:31]
mircea_popescu suppose there's a well respected, honorful general of this one tribe [17:31]
mircea_popescu he lives in a hut, like all the others, rural pashtun. [17:31]
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mircea_popescu suppose "good sleep" is being in his tent. [17:31]
mircea_popescu suppose the normal introduction so you may be allowed there takes a coupla hours, going through all the complicated pashtun honor ceremonies. [17:31]
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* asciilifeform sees where this is going [17:32]
mircea_popescu suppose shady gringo in the kabul market offers to sell you a dust which, if sparkled around, will teleport you straight into tent, no further need for "Wasting time" [17:32]
mircea_popescu how much ? [17:32]
asciilifeform lol [17:32]
asciilifeform !s bathtub catapult [17:32]
mircea_popescu HOW you get there may be as important as how much time you spend, neh ? [17:32]
assbot 1 results for 'bathtub catapult' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bathtub+catapult [17:32]
mircea_popescu after all, ninjashogun spent some time here too. [17:32]
mircea_popescu he HAS that catapult. [17:33]
mircea_popescu what's it do for him ? [17:33]
mircea_popescu plenty of people work up the nerve to speak over hours. plenty more probably haven't yet. so ? [17:33]
ThickAsThieves who wants to spend their waking ours managing their sleeping ones [17:33]
ThickAsThieves hours* [17:33]
asciilifeform good analogy, except that, with correct plans, it is possible to survive the bathtub catapult (parachute exists.) [17:33]
The20YearIRCloud Closed on the loan today, joy [17:34]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves you ever met that blessed folk that will spent sixteen hours a day working to "make money while they sleep", 5 dolla an hour ? [17:34]
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asciilifeform sixteen hours a day working to "make money while they sleep" >> they're struggling for escape from arbeit macht frei. [17:35]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform maybe mere survival ain't the goal. [17:35]
mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud how much did you get in the end ? [17:35]
The20YearIRCloud 100k [17:35]
mircea_popescu not bad. [17:35]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform escape < they still get paid in paypal. what escape. incape. [17:35]
asciilifeform didn't say - successful escape. attempted. [17:36]
The20YearIRCloud It's a fixed rate credit line, which is nice as we can go out, buy properties, refinance said properties, then just continue to buy more [17:36]
asciilifeform a few bullets from the guard towers lodged in arse. [17:36]
ThickAsThieves i wonder if people who only sleep 3-5 hrs a day, live more or less waking hours than those sleeping 8+ [17:36]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform but the premise is flawed. they're trying to escape... into da's office ? [17:36]
asciilifeform likewise, paid in scrip, but never need to wake up / go places / take orders - still a kind of escape. [17:36]
mircea_popescu i guess. [17:37]
* rithm hugs scrip [17:37]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves chetty used to sleep 4ish hours for many years. [17:37]
mircea_popescu i suspect this is a lot easier for women [17:37]
ThickAsThieves i rarely sleep more than 5 for a long time [17:37]
asciilifeform ah and that's another tidbit - some people need considerably less, for firing on all cylinders, than others. find out why. if can replicate - win. [17:37]
ThickAsThieves i do get tired though [17:38]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform some people are fucking dumb. others - not so. find out why, avoid, win. [17:38]
mircea_popescu wtf are you on about lol :D [17:38]
asciilifeform picture hypothetical - what if actually needing 8+ hours is something like 'beriberi' [17:38]
mircea_popescu if you're going for this why not make smart pill directly, why bother with sleep pill. [17:38]
ThickAsThieves i think eating frequency is a factor as well, metabolism [17:38]
asciilifeform what if we just aren't eating enough $rareearth [17:39]
mircea_popescu what if, ok. but i dun believe that has a leg to stand on. [17:39]
mircea_popescu sleep is very similar, and in fact one of the better arguments pro homogenity in the human race [17:39]
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mircea_popescu the fact that all cultures had beds, and the fact that all cultures could go to bed with any others. [17:39]
* asciilifeform does not even remotely know the answer to this one, but can't rule out a beriberi-like gotcha [17:39]
mircea_popescu that exists in all climes ? [17:39]
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mircea_popescu what WOULD you take to rule it out ? [17:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 400 @ 0.00488188 = 1.9528 BTC [+] {4} [17:40]
asciilifeform what would it take << beautiful question. let's say we find that chetty has, e.g., more efficient mitochondriae, that eat and shit less for given level of activity. and therefore require less cleanup. then we say 'can't fix this with aftermarket patch.' [17:41]
mircea_popescu how are you going to fix mother dna outside of eugeny ? [17:42]
asciilifeform that was example of 'can't' [17:42]
mircea_popescu (yes, that's how that "extra" dna from the mother side works - mitochondria has its own dna set) [17:42]
asciilifeform alternatively, scenario where there is a fix. some folks feel that they would profit from being - taller. in russia, they can fix this. [17:42]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform ah i read "can fix" [17:42]
asciilifeform (illegal in usa, afaik.) [17:42]
mircea_popescu lol how do they fix it ? suspension ? [17:43]
mircea_popescu procust's bed ? [17:43]
asciilifeform surgeon breaks both of your legs with a clever little instrument; sets them in such a way that they grow 10cm or so at a time - longer. [17:43]
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asciilifeform a year+ in wheelchair. [17:43]
mircea_popescu i had no idea. [17:43]
mircea_popescu shitty trade tho. i wouldn't spend a year in wheelchair for an extra four inches [17:44]
asciilifeform matters more for one man than another [17:44]
asciilifeform used to be, folks would travel there for this op, just like others went to thailand for 'sex change' etc [17:44]
ThickAsThieves like Gattaca [17:44]
mircea_popescu im almost tempted by your theory. "you can sleep better if you never have sex again. here's the pill" [17:44]
chetty ooo GATTICA [17:44]
ThickAsThieves ever seen than movie? [17:44]
asciilifeform dulap! [17:45]
asciilifeform schlick. [17:45]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform nah, the pill just makes you uber horny. [17:45]
ThickAsThieves mp you should watch it [17:45]
mircea_popescu i think i have. [17:45]
ThickAsThieves word [17:45]
* asciilifeform saw, not impressed [17:45]
mircea_popescu isn't it some derpy "kid wants to be fighter jet pilot, cock not big enough, o lala la drama" story ? [17:46]
ThickAsThieves well, the goal is to be entertained, not impressed per se :) [17:46]
chetty well it did have application for longer legs [17:46]
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* asciilifeform pictures a jet actually piloted using cock [17:46]
ThickAsThieves cock must be this big to ride [17:46]
mircea_popescu anyway, the us-agitprop makes me chaf. "o noes, you can do anything, retards are people too, form a circle let's hold hands" [17:46]
mircea_popescu meh. not my kettle. [17:46]
asciilifeform the way, some say, stephen hawking drives his wheelchair with arse muscle joystick [17:46]
ThickAsThieves good tshirt for a porn actress [17:46]
mircea_popescu ^ prolly done to death. [17:47]
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asciilifeform form a circle let's hold hands << in old science fiction, it'd have been 'cripple builds cybernetic mega-coc, proceeds to kill worlds' [17:48]
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The20YearIRCloud I found a few singlewide trailers for our company [17:50]
The20YearIRCloud we're looking at two different lots that have them, i'm pretty darn excited, it all gets me one step closer to being the slumlord I desire [17:51]
asciilifeform wait - people rent these? [17:51]
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* asciilifeform thought trailer was for 'owning home' when you only have a few thousand usd in pocket [17:52]
chetty asciilifeform, no need for that anymore, mortages grow on gubermint trees [17:53]
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mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud trailers ?! [17:53]
The20YearIRCloud Yeah [17:55]
The20YearIRCloud I've got a pretty good concept of what i want to do, just need a municipality where I can do it legally [17:56]
ThickAsThieves i rented a trailer when i first moced to fl [17:56]
ThickAsThieves moved* [17:56]
mircea_popescu so what is that, the ohio happy brothel ? [17:56]
asciilifeform mortages grow on gubermint trees << more complicated than this. no houses in the usual sense, near what remains of civilization in usa, are permitted to cost less than mid six digit. [17:56]
The20YearIRCloud But the premise is to take crappy trailers, and have my guys refurbish them in a way that they'd be superior to most conventionally built houses with regards to energy, and then rent em out for median pricing [17:56]
mircea_popescu what's the floor surface of a trailer ? 200sq ft ? [17:57]
rithm closer to 1000 [17:57]
rithm 750 [17:57]
mircea_popescu that big ? [17:57]
* asciilifeform would happily live in a refrigerator truck, or a partizan dugout, or similar, if it didn't come with being corralled into a ghetto of similar wretches [17:57]
rithm depends on single or double [17:57]
mircea_popescu why not just buy shipping containers then. not so expensive, can be stacked... [17:57]
mircea_popescu rithm he just said double [17:57]
The20YearIRCloud ones i'm looking at are 900-1000 [17:57]
mircea_popescu shit. he just said single. [17:57]
The20YearIRCloud Not legal in my area to use a shipping container [17:57]
rithm shipping container buried the side of a hill sounds lovely to me [17:57]
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asciilifeform Not legal in my area to use a shipping container << perhaps you can guess why. [17:57]
mircea_popescu cauze it'd be cheaper and more efficient ? [17:58]
The20YearIRCloud At least, a trailer lives up to code when it was built, and it isn't illegal to use one that's old as dirt [17:58]
rithm mircea_popescu i totally do not follow the chat and just jump in randomly as if i knew what were going on [17:58]
asciilifeform for the same reason buckminster fuller's injection-molded plastic house was banned. [17:58]
nubbins` ^ [17:58]
asciilifeform real estate parasite scum live, breathe, to keep housing costly. [17:58]
The20YearIRCloud Zoning is quite slow [17:58]
The20YearIRCloud We're just catching on to doing steel skinned, soy insullated houses [17:58]
nubbins` wait, i thought it was unions that did his house-pod things in [17:59]
The20YearIRCloud the fiberglass people a pretty crazy when it comes to supressing new types of insullation [17:59]
nubbins` Big Glass [17:59]
mircea_popescu lol [17:59]
mircea_popescu fiberglass isn't that bad, but it's fucking toxyc. [17:59]
The20YearIRCloud There's this one type of soy insullation we want, it's 4x more efficient per cubic meter than anything fiberglass has to offer, and some municipalities still don't allow [17:59]
nubbins` BIG GLASS IS IN THE TREES [17:59]
mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud how do you keep the wevils out ? [18:00]
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asciilifeform big glass << laugh all you like, 'corning co.' is one of the few remaining mega-industrial giants in usa [18:00]
asciilifeform fiberglass toxic << yes [18:00]
* asciilifeform has workshop in a very large garden shed, that came with current rental. itches every time coming out of it. [18:00]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform partizan dugout may be pretty cool. [18:00]
mircea_popescu i hear all the truant tattooed teenagers swarm there [18:01]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it'd be great, but would have to be deep in a forest, secret, with a stump for a chimney - just like during the war. because living in something that isn't a house is highly illegal in usa (unless part of a designated ghettoschwitz) [18:01]
mircea_popescu and it gotta be in usa ? [18:02]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i vaguely recall a story of yours, about a chum who went to usa and left in disgust, when he was not permitted to build other than a cardboard house. [18:03]
mircea_popescu well yeah. was a bunch o people, they got building permit and proceeded to built like at home. concrete pillars, brick walls etc. [18:03]
The20YearIRCloud alot of it depends on municipality [18:04]
The20YearIRCloud there's areas where I live that they don't care what you put up or what you live in (Sheds included), but those aren't areas I want property in [18:04]
asciilifeform gotta be in usa << currently. (as discussed in the past) [18:05]
mircea_popescu yeah well, partisan dugouts in the us may have to wait a few years. [18:05]
asciilifeform if could afford to escape - would. just like every other schmuck [18:05]
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asciilifeform those aren't areas I want property in << designated ghettoschwitzes, yes. notice how it is highly illegal to keep out scum other than through real estate pricing, in any part of usa. [18:07]
assbot chalbersma +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 [18:08]
asciilifeform cannot, for example, 'to buy property here you must solve this here single-variable integral.' [18:08]
kakobrekla !up chalbersma [18:08]
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asciilifeform or even 'name the 50 states of usa' [18:09]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform "and their capitols" [18:09]
asciilifeform any of it. [18:09]
mircea_popescu the idea holds water tho. money is supposed to work as an iq-meter. [18:09]
mircea_popescu if it doesn't, THAT has to be fixed, not this. [18:09]
asciilifeform bidding wars [18:09]
mircea_popescu hm ? [18:10]
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mircea_popescu im not even sure i could do integration by hand, outside of recognising the formulaic equivalents. [18:10]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-04-2014#607598 [18:11]
assbot Logged on 06-04-2014 14:59:26; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ok. considering the what/how debate as accepted foundation : at any time there's a number of turkeys and a number of engineers. [18:11]
asciilifeform doesn't have to be integrals. i just picked an example from 'captchas' used on some russian forums. [18:12]
mircea_popescu haha they actually use integrals as captchas ? [18:12]
mircea_popescu but it's simple pattern recognition, right ? of the ilk of "what is x2 + y2 + 2xy" [18:12]
asciilifeform (perhaps mircea_popescu and i might've forgotten how to grind gnarly integrals mentally, but we still have the neurons to grind with 'macsyma' etc.) [18:12]
asciilifeform http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2174/2268237733_cda4a1dbb3.jpg?v=0 [18:13]
The20YearIRCloud No, not ghettos, extremely rural areas with low property prices/low market [18:13]
asciilifeform (american version) [18:13]
The20YearIRCloud If i'm going in those areas, i'm getting land for the land, not to build cheap houses [18:14]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform ouch lol. i have nfi [18:14]
mircea_popescu what am i supposed to be, 18 ?! [18:14]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://lurkmore.so/images/c/cc/%D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD_%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%87%D0%B0.jpg [18:15]
asciilifeform http://avz.org.ua/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/captcha2.gif [18:15]
asciilifeform and the like. [18:15]
mircea_popescu heh. so the top is what, like 2/3x^2/3 + x ? [18:16]
mircea_popescu this shit's awful wtf. [18:16]
* asciilifeform brings this up as example of something that you certainly, definitely, under threat of harsh punishments, could not get away with in allocation of american housing. [18:17]
mircea_popescu does that russian forum actually expect someone to type out (2/3 * x ** (2/3))/((3/4 * x ** (3/4) -(6/7 * x ** (6/7) )+x as a reply to a captcha ? [18:18]
mircea_popescu or am i missing something ? [18:18]
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asciilifeform answer's usually short. [18:19]
mircea_popescu well is this one ? [18:19]
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chetty not so very different than making people jump through gpg hoops to get voice in here [18:19]
* asciilifeform can't be arsed. does not frequent said forums, or advocate this recipe. [18:19]
asciilifeform it was example. [18:19]
mircea_popescu scam. [18:20]
nubbins` chetty 8) [18:20]
asciilifeform but i'd rather do these integrals every ten minutes, than be asked to come up with $mil. [18:20]
mircea_popescu why the fuck ? [18:20]
mircea_popescu i got more $mil than #patience. [18:20]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you - yes. sure [18:21]
mircea_popescu let teenagers suck the cock and do the integrals, wtf are they for. [18:21]
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diametric asciilifeform: you actually can make stipulations like that in american housing. [18:22]
asciilifeform point not being that i personally relish integral puzzles, but that if it were possible to escape usaschwitz by getting good at them, i'd be inclined to try. [18:22]
asciilifeform diametric: really? i was told it was banned as 'racist' at one point. [18:23]
diametric asciilifeform: re: home owners associations. they can basically place any number of arbitrary conditions on home ownership. [18:23]
asciilifeform ;;google disparate impact [18:23]
gribble Disparate impact - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Disparate Impact legal definition of Disparate Impact - Legal Dictionary: ; What is disparate impact? definition and meaning: [18:23]
mircea_popescu diametric may have a point. you can prolly ge away with a community agreement where every tenant has to play scrabble or some shit [18:23]
mircea_popescu exactly. [18:23]
diametric mircea_popescu: exactly. [18:23]
mircea_popescu ha! i beat someone to it for once, even if it was 2nd pass. [18:23]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i recall that if your torture test ends up affecting one ethnic faction more than another, you get in hot water [18:23]
diametric usually hoas are run by bored housewives and middle managers that want to feel the power of lording over people. [18:24]
mircea_popescu only if you take fed money. [18:24]
asciilifeform 'griggs vs duke power' [18:24]
asciilifeform though, if i recall, it concerned employment rather than real estate [18:24]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform also, the thing you cite is employment law. [18:24]
mircea_popescu damn. [18:24]
* asciilifeform ianal, does not know if 'integral torture' on real estate sales would be permitted in usa [18:25]
diametric asciilifeform: there are only very specific sets of things hoas can't do. For example they can't say "no blacks allowed" or "women can't park here." [18:25]
mircea_popescu in principle, disallowing absurd selection practices for employers may be unavoidable. otherwise, think of that church idiot and his "advice" [18:25]
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mircea_popescu imagine how it'd proliferate. [18:25]
asciilifeform which 'advice' [18:26]
asciilifeform he had a number of crackpot recipes [18:26]
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mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/how-the-other-half-lives-or-michael-o-church-is-a-scummy-fuckwit/ [18:26]
assbot How the other half lives, or Michael O. Church is a scummy fuckwit pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [18:26]
asciilifeform aha [18:26]
chetty personally I have trouble seeing the difference between "women can't park here." and bakers must bake any cake requested [18:30]
diametric chetty: US law specifically says one is "special" [18:31]
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diametric bakers aren't afforded the luxury of a special status [18:32]
mircea_popescu chetty a baker applies for permission to be a baker. [18:32]
mircea_popescu a woman is a woman afore the state. [18:32]
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mircea_popescu it's quite logical, if you care to follow the twisted remants of logic inside the system [18:32]
chetty mircea_popescu, well it used to be like that nayway, these days it can be a choice [18:32]
mircea_popescu which is why so much lobby to not distinguish natural and manufactured women [18:33]
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mircea_popescu anyway, what irks me isn't the weirdo stuff in the us as much as the memetic tendency. if it worked like, "if you want women to park anywhere and bakers to bake anything, go to ohio ; if you want women to not be allowed to park anywhere, go to montana" etc it'd be fine. [18:35]
mircea_popescu have a pedo state, send all pedos there, have a 1950s household, send all 1950s types to utah, and so on and so forth [18:35]
mircea_popescu but if you try make all teh places run on the same software... [18:36]
mircea_popescu but no, lincoln must has know better what's best! [18:36]
chetty well that was the idea when they started ... but states as sovereign entities has gone away [18:37]
mircea_popescu well, the accident that guncotton is not made out of cottons while guns are made out of fllailed earth had something to do with it. [18:39]
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mircea_popescu it's universal this, absent universally pervasive dedication to diversity, diversity flounders because by its very definition it's multiple examples are not all equally fit. [18:40]
mircea_popescu this is usually obvious in computer game design. if there's a warrior, a mage and an archer, having them all "equally powerful" defeats the point of having 3 of them. having them "differently powerful" often reduces to the former. [18:41]
mircea_popescu no real way to solve it. [18:41]
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mircea_popescu ;;ticker [18:50]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 484.63, Best ask: 485.93, Bid-ask spread: 1.30000, Last trade: 485.0, 24 hour volume: 12575.72910500, 24 hour low: 462.56, 24 hour high: 492.0, 24 hour vwap: 476.417919968 [18:50]
chetty but in practice it tends to reduce to the lowest common denominator not the most fit wins ... [18:51]
mircea_popescu you underestimate the importance of cheapness. [18:51]
mircea_popescu there's more ants than people alive not because ants are better tea company [18:52]
mircea_popescu but because they cost less to produce and less to maintain [18:52]
mircea_popescu cheapness is, so to speak, the mother of fit. [18:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 4.46195344 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 388 satoshi per share [19:00]
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mircea_popescu ;;later tell hanbot http://cdn.rsvlts.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Perfect-Timing-Photos-157-630x605.jpg [19:04]
gribble The operation succeeded. [19:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.40933458 BTC to 15`374 shares, 9167 satoshi per share [19:05]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: re 9000%: factors for me are exercise and regularity of schedule [19:06]
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mircea_popescu and this one is for my mom : http://i.imgur.com/68Uyseu.jpg [19:19]
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thestringpuller ants are also eusocial [19:31]
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thestringpuller probably more termites than ants [19:32]
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mircea_popescu thestringpuller the entire "eusocial" bs is little more than socialist propaganda. [19:44]
mircea_popescu just about zero scientific merit to it. [19:44]
mircea_popescu in other news, http://i.imgur.com/gjnU3b1.jpg [19:45]
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thestringpuller mircea_popescu is anti-social [20:14]
mircea_popescu no, i'm eusocial, and i take offense at the dilution of terminology. [20:16]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.000605 = 0.605 BTC [-] [20:53]
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kakobrekla https://buy.hardwarewallet.com/hw1shop/#shop [21:00]
assbot HardwareWallet [21:00]
kakobrekla >GreenAddress : safer multiplatform wallet with multisignature, second factor confirmation of all transactions and anti-goxing protection. [21:01]
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kakobrekla It is unfortunately not possible to release HW-1 with an open firmware due to NDA restrictions, however you can verify with the specification that all commands do what they are supposed to do, and that clients are only sending documented commands. [21:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 858 @ 0.0006014 = 0.516 BTC [-] {4} [21:07]
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thestringpuller NDA restrictions? [21:19]
thestringpuller from who? themselves? [21:19]
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ThickAsThieves NDA that greenaddress gas with NSA [21:44]
ThickAsThieves has* [21:44]
thestringpuller wtf is "anti-goxing" protection?!?!? [21:46]
thestringpuller is this just for the lulz? [21:47]
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ThickAsThieves means they won't let anyone named Mark have an account [21:48]
ThickAsThieves !up truffles [21:50]
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ben_vulpes ho shit [21:50]
ben_vulpes ;;seen truffles [21:51]
gribble truffles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 21 weeks, 4 days, 22 hours, 32 minutes, and 40 seconds ago:
tell me when the experiment is over 		[21:51]
truffles its not over [21:51]
truffles i was curious [21:51]
truffles i tried to arrange that chess match with nubbins a while back kinda difficult to do when not in same room.. [21:52]
ThickAsThieves that almost makes sense [21:52]
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truffles it bugs me when i dont resolve things.. [21:53]
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ben_vulpes bingoboingo's had much success running games over irc and webgames... [22:00]
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thestringpuller I challenge ben_vulpes to Starcraft! [22:29]
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artifexd My "copper rounds" just showed up. They *are* nice. [22:42]
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jurov BLIT << wasn't this actually invented by monty python? only they had it as deadly joke [22:44]
jurov obv the joke itself wasn't broadcast [22:45]
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ben_vulpes thestringpuller: it's been years and i was never any good :P [22:49]
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jurov re:smart pill - i think there may yet be surprising discoveries [23:03]
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jurov such as, wide occurrence of latent chlamydia [23:03]
jurov that bugger tends to lurk in fat tissue where it is untreatable by antibiotics and slowly releases neurotoxins [23:04]
jurov result? unexplicable pain and lowered mental performance [23:05]
jurov why it isn't object of research till recently? doctors were taught it's simple treatable veneral disease [23:06]
jurov ans sexual diseases research is uncool [23:06]
jurov how do i know? i was diagnosed ch. pneumoniae (lung one, not the sexual one) [23:08]
jurov and not in lungs, but on skin [23:08]
jurov and every time i exercise and get skinner, i get sick [23:08]
ben_vulpes fascinating! [23:09]
jurov tl;dr: there is surprising health stuff we hide from ourselves because of our own culture [23:09]
rithm i'm in good health, i've never broken a bone or had any type of major surgery [23:09]
rithm i love menthol cigarettes too [23:10]
ben_vulpes i too support more sex disease research [23:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00076812 = 6.529 BTC [-] [23:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8912 @ 0.00076607 = 6.8272 BTC [-] {2} [23:12]
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ben_vulpes twould be grand if life could go on without condoms [23:16]
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HeySteve hello, was wondering if a prepared NDA exists which can be cryptographically signed? [23:16]
ben_vulpes yes [23:18]
HeySteve great, even better if you have a link [23:19]
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thestringpuller re: health. pharma corps suppress a lot of research to increase profits it seems. [23:34]
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