Forum logs for 10 Oct 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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X-Rob I'll try to keep an eye on it, but, all my alerting is broken because my main conneciton is down [01:00]
X-Rob so.. I've discovered a flaw there 8) [01:00]
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cazalla ;;later tell sgarnick send me a pm when you're online, been trying a day with no luck [01:00]
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mircea_popescu .deed [01:01]
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mircea_popescu what the ef. [01:01]
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mircea_popescu o it was like once a day was it. [01:01]
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mircea_popescu ;;calc 172**0 [01:04]
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cazalla ;;later tell sgornick send me a pm when you're online, been trying a day with no luck [01:04]
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TheNewDeal missed the second * and thought gribble was failing basic maths [01:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00074126 = 10.0441 BTC [-] [01:07]
BingoBoingo So far qntra's bigger in Kenya than South Africa. [01:13]
mircea_popescu lol [01:13]
mircea_popescu o, hey, first day results are in huh / [01:14]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Not on quantcast yet [01:14]
mircea_popescu a [01:14]
mircea_popescu apparently there exists a [01:15]
X-Rob 373 blocks until difficulty changes [01:19]
X-Rob yay! [01:19]
mircea_popescu [01:23]
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mircea_popescu an interesting alternative entry point into the theory of teh bezzle [01:26]
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thestringpuller ;;ticker [01:29]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 360.0, Best ask: 360.87, Bid-ask spread: 0.87000, Last trade: 360.85, 24 hour volume: 47558.47213155, 24 hour low: 348.3, 24 hour high: 395.55, 24 hour vwap: 368.563472311 [01:30]
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danielpbarron << not xanthyos; an associate of ours [01:33]
assbot Logged on 09-10-2014 16:13:02; mircea_popescu: this apparently works to some degree, he's ahead a cigarette from xanthyos' ex, and was the senate hearing catered ? [01:33]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: do you have a sample script for the bitcoin cartoons? [01:33]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron guy said it was his ex gf [01:33]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller nope. it was inteded as open mic here, if the guy were interested. [01:34]
danielpbarron ya, that guy's ex; not xanthyos' [01:34]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron hence " from xanthyos' ex" you see [01:34]
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kakobrekla hehe thanks BingoBoingo - i now enabled those messages temporarily so i am able to follow [01:39]
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BingoBoingo You're welcome. I just thought... Maybe you'd wait until the polar bears all became exclusively aquatic before ever watching join/parts [01:43]
penguirker New blog post: [01:44]
kakobrekla BingoBoingo its not for long :) [01:47]
kakobrekla but yeah, i feel remembered that i dont miss em. [01:48]
kakobrekla much less doormany. [01:51]
BingoBoingo It's the price of not being poor like earier this week [01:54]
BingoBoingo %d [01:54]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 313712.44 in 372 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -83.30 [01:54]
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gabriel_laddel !s rabbits [02:16]
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BingoBoingo !s manul [02:24]
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mircea_popescu ;;seen pankkake [02:30]
gribble pankkake was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 9 hours, 47 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: here is 0.000195. [02:30]
penguirker New blog post: [02:30]
cazalla speaking of rabbits, how about i turn these into some gloves for thickasthieves, where da white wommenz at btw [02:31]
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Bitcoin_Eric lol [02:31]
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thestringpuller advertised a scam bitcoin investment site called as one of its partners, allowing it to steal over $100,000 USD simply by using Blockchain's reputation to mislead its victims as a legitimate investment company...SHAME ON YOU, BLOCKCHAIN! [02:36]
thestringpuller [02:36]
assbot advertised a scam bitcoin investment site called as one of its partners, allowing it to steal over $100,000 USD simply by using Blockchain's reputation to mislead its victims as a legitimate investment company...SHAME ON YOU, BLOCKCHAIN! : Bitcoin [02:36]
thestringpuller ugh fucking copy paste thing [02:36]
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xanthyos jan hooks is dead. [02:42]
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xanthyos the comedy world shrugs [02:43]
thestringpuller Weird [02:44]
thestringpuller BitStash and trezor huh [02:44]
thestringpuller The second one of those gets hacked.... [02:45]
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RagnarDanneskjol hmm. thought maybe the raw patse link was issue [02:47]
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mircea_popescu cazalla shit they're cute. [02:55]
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thestringpuller ;;ticker [02:55]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 364.68, Best ask: 364.76, Bid-ask spread: 0.08000, Last trade: 364.68, 24 hour volume: 47802.41474800, 24 hour low: 349.0, 24 hour high: 395.55, 24 hour vwap: 368.330477846 [02:55]
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Jezzz thx thestringpuller [02:57]
mircea_popescu << check it out kakobrekla, like the first time in history that the left pane is full, 100 entries past week [02:58]
assbot #bitcoin-assets stats [02:58]
kakobrekla first time after +m maybe [02:58]
mircea_popescu mnop [02:59]
kakobrekla pretty sure it was full even before [02:59]
mircea_popescu hmm i guess looking at the graphs it hadda been [02:59]
mircea_popescu a well. [03:00]
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hagbardgroup (Still reading through tutorial material) [03:04]
mircea_popescu good for you. [03:05]
mircea_popescu "The biggest thing you can write in C++ is... also an operating system. Well, maybe a little bigger. Let's say three times bigger. Or even ten times. But operating system kernels are at most, what, maybe a million lines of code? So I'd argue the biggest system you can reasonably write in C++ is maybe 10 million lines, and then it starts to break down and become this emergent thing that you have no hope of controlling, [03:06]
mircea_popescu like the plant in Little Shop of Horrors. Feeeeeed meeeeeee... [03:06]
mircea_popescu If you can get it to compile by then, that is. [03:06]
mircea_popescu We have 50 million lines of C++ code. No, it's more than that now. I don't know what it is anymore. It was 50 million last Christmas, nine months ago, and was expanding at 8 million lines a quarter. The expansion rate was increasing as well. Ouch." [03:06]
mircea_popescu guy who work[ed?] at amazon. [03:06]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: steve yegge? [03:06]
mircea_popescu seriously, 50mn lines of code ? there's no need to write 50 mn lines of code. for anything. [03:06]
mircea_popescu god himself uses fewer than 50mn lines of code [03:06]
mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel exactly. [03:06]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: Funny little bit of history. Steve Y. goes on and on and on about how C++, java, etc. (algol derivatives) predictably create massively bloated codebases, gives lip service how Lisp solves these problems (which is does) and then goes back to... writing in ~ALGOL. (I asked a Googler who was recently on the same team as Steve what language they worked in - Java.) [03:09]
mircea_popescu << the origin. [03:09]
assbot tour-de-babel - steveyegge2 [03:10]
mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel why do you think that is ? [03:10]
gabriel_laddel He got old and fat, making a change was too much for him. He says that there are 'problems' with (common) lisp. [03:11]
assbot Stevey's Blog Rants: Lisp is Not an Acceptable Lisp [03:11]
kakobrekla cause they code for living [03:11]
gabriel_laddel Silicon valley is basically just a slightly more white version of (¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.-> [ Luxor Centre For Businessmen ] <-.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯) [03:12]
mircea_popescu o.o you got that saved ? [03:12]
gabriel_laddel yeah. [03:12]
mircea_popescu now is this kinda like c or kinda like lisp, you'd say ? [03:13]
gabriel_laddel Anything ~ALGOL derived. [03:13]
mircea_popescu no. i mean the fact that you have a string stored, and an apparatus to retrieve and use it in place. [03:13]
gabriel_laddel Lisp thing. Emacs gave it to me in.... less than 3 seconds. [03:14]
mircea_popescu through a string of perl ? [03:14]
gabriel_laddel C-b ".notes" C-r "luxor" [03:14]
gabriel_laddel (C- meaning 'control' + whatever) [03:15]
mircea_popescu ah but this is only half the story. you also saved it there, and saved the "notes" string somewhere etc. [03:15]
mircea_popescu admire the pile of crap that the whole software involved is. [03:15]
gabriel_laddel I don't understand what you're getting at. (emacs) Lisp still has to store things in files. [03:16]
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mircea_popescu in other words, back to the topic : i think the people arguing that c is just the way to talk to the c-machine, aka von neumann machine have it wrong - c is just the way average people abstract. fortunately that fit into an already existing machine, but if it hadn't it'd have been forcibly fit anyway. [03:16]
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danielpbarron oh, new guy :D [03:18]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23850 @ 0.00074253 = 17.7093 BTC [+] {2} [03:21]
thestringpuller !s MPEX PAID [03:21]
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mod6 lol 8m additional lines per q!? that's just nuts [03:23]
mircea_popescu mod6 no, it's "an economy". imagine, that's the bread of what, 500 derps ? [03:23]
mircea_popescu at least. fifty idiots get to go around telling young women about their imminent promotion to higher-middle manager because of it [03:23]
mod6 haha, staggers the imagination [03:24]
mod6 and you're right, 50m lines of code? that does what!!? [03:24]
mircea_popescu the only conceivable purpose i can see for government would be to allocate limits. you want to write a facebook ? register with govt, get a 10k line/250kb limit. if you overrun it you get shot. [03:24]
mircea_popescu after they're done with congress. "all laws fit in 500 pages. you want new ones ? delete old ones." [03:25]
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mircea_popescu enforced brevity ftw. [03:25]
mod6 some kinda hard-limit ya [03:25]
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thestringpuller ;;gettrust nanotube [03:28]
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mircea_popescu how the hell did he get under 1 [03:28]
thestringpuller /window 42 [03:28]
mircea_popescu a nm [03:29]
pete_dushenski howdy. [03:30]
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pete_dushenski TheNewDeal: surprised they didn't make a pitch to increase the blocksize limit << lol [03:30]
mod6 saw a lot of action on your blog about that topic btcpete [03:32]
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mircea_popescu "Perl has the best marketing in the world. You could write a book about how brilliant their marketing is. Sun has marketed Java with money, and Perl is almost keeping up, popularity-wise, purely on the on sheer marketing brilliance of Larry Wall and his buddies. Folks at Harvard Business School should study Perl's marketing. It's astonishing." [03:34]
mircea_popescu shit i wasn't aware anyone realised this [03:34]
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pete_dushenski mod6: ya, it was a fun last 48 hours :) [03:35]
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pete_dushenski 3000+ words of comments [03:35]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski anything good ? [03:35]
pete_dushenski hmm. let me see if i can dig up a quote or two worth repeating... [03:35]
asciilifeform there's no need to write 50 mn lines of code. for anything. <<<<< [03:36]
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pete_dushenski this one by "zeke" was decidedly luzly from a few angles: [03:37]
pete_dushenski "Gavin has done quite a lot for the bitcoin project, and is one of the few people who can credibly represent it to lay people. Still, I agree with the Romanian school inasmuch as the blockchain increase seems unnecessary and potentially disastrous to me. It’s inviting a fork that will not be honored by a large portion of the current hash power, and the current wallet balance. Thus it is a Bad Idea. What about side [03:37]
pete_dushenski chains, and all the other ways that BTC can grow in real transaction volume?" [03:37]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: shit i wasn't aware anyone realised this << naggum did. [03:37]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu you are now the bearer of "the romanian school" torch! [03:37]
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pete_dushenski also, what fuckin sidechainz amirite [03:38]
mircea_popescu o the romanian school is it ? [03:38]
mircea_popescu fucking hell romania is going to end up accidentally famous by mistake. [03:38]
mircea_popescu typical for that place. [03:38]
pete_dushenski lol [03:38]
pete_dushenski who says mistake? [03:38]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform did anyone write a full analysis of it, or just mention it in passing ? [03:38]
pete_dushenski let's work from causes, neh? [03:38]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski by mistake as in, gavin fucked up. [03:39]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: naggum never wrote a full anything, afaik, apart from 'a long and painful history of time' [03:39]
pete_dushenski aic ya that's way funnier :D [03:39]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: but three or four of his posts add up to a sort of treatise on perl [03:39]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski wouldja consider adding a recent comments list ? [03:39]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i mean specifically the marketing of. [03:40]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: c is just the way average people abstract << if only. invited to reread the infamous 'the camel has two humps.' [03:40]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: lol funny you should mention that… i was toying around with that this morning, trying to add a second sidebar column a la trilema and… i fucking borkt the whole thing. [03:40]
pete_dushenski thankfully, i had made a back-up but i was pretty choked for a minute cuz the auto-save didn't include that last article about gavin's retardation [03:41]
pete_dushenski but all is well now! [03:41]
asciilifeform (short version of 'the camel' - prospective 'comp sci' students were given tests on basic things, e.g., 'a = 1, b = 2, a + b = ?' - and they separated into 2 groups, ones who had correct answrs. or at least consistent misconceptions - and ones who did not. the latter - turned out, unsurprisingly, to be unteachable.) [03:42]
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pete_dushenski ok. 5 recent comments added below the recent articles. [03:43]
pete_dushenski still single sidebar [03:43]
asciilifeform 'thing you can write in C++ is... also an operating system...' << winblows. [03:44]
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pete_dushenski << those stilts. [03:47]
mircea_popescu "It doesn’t matter what the minors feel like “honoring.” The miners will follow the full nodes; they won’t waste energy mining the fork when its coins aren’t worth the time it takes to send them to an exchange." danielpbarron << all the miners run (multiple) full nodes. [03:47]
mircea_popescu this is the ad-hoc, market driven fix to the problem of node disenfranchisement as ordained by his satoshiness. [03:48]
mircea_popescu (there's an extra bit in there, where people with a lot of exposure, financial, intellectual, emotional, w/e also run full nodes - but generally they also won't be following patently insane notions a la "let's make the blocks infinite") [03:49]
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asciilifeform (obligatory: << re c++) [03:49]
assbot Re: Prolog vs. Lisp - Naggum cll archive [03:49]
mircea_popescu "To soften my comment, I would not want to replace Gavin with some loony that thinks the USG is competent enough to undermine bitcoin in any organized way. All this talk about Mike and Gavin being stooges is absurd, and undermines my respect for much of the other (very insightful) stuff you guys write on the Internet. They can be wrong, without being corrupt." [03:51]
mircea_popescu o.O [03:51]
asciilifeform how can one even make, with any serious logical certainty, a statement like 'i have one bitcoin' without running a full node? [03:51]
asciilifeform (or at least, having a very good friend who does) [03:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform how does one say "i have a wife" ? [03:52]
pete_dushenski ha! [03:52]
mircea_popescu "these are my children" ? "this is my house". most property owners don't own their own torens title bureaus [03:52]
pete_dushenski not, i suppose, as opposed to saying "a wife has me" [03:53]
pete_dushenski "i have a car" (on lease for 48 months) [03:53]
pete_dushenski at least most people have their clothes and the groceries in their fridges [03:54]
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pete_dushenski not that they're wise enough to brag about it [03:54]
asciilifeform slightly different situation here. btc user without full node is just as likely to be walking around in a barrel, deluded by dope into thinking he's driving a car (like the characters in s. lem's 'futurological congress') [03:54]
asciilifeform then again, world is full of bastard children and questionable wives, so perhaps similar. [03:55]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: ty for another comment! that post deserves a plaque for the names it's attracted. [03:55]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski there, enjoy one more then. [03:58]
assbot How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain't Gonna Increase Any Time Soon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski [03:58]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: lol. nice. [03:59]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 10k line/250kb limit. if you overrun it you get shot << chuck moore (of 'forth' fame) seems kinda in favour of this. as am i. a kind of 'environmentalism' i've been advocating for many years (intellectual pollution doesn't blacken mere lungs. it makes everybody - stupider. measurably.) [04:00]
pete_dushenski also the gap between brk-a and btc narrowed by, what, 5% today? [04:00]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [04:00]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 365.81, Best ask: 366.4, Bid-ask spread: 0.59000, Last trade: 366.4, 24 hour volume: 47259.77924389, 24 hour low: 349.0, 24 hour high: 395.55, 24 hour vwap: 369.139461234 [04:00]
mircea_popescu lol i stand to make a pretty penny there, don't i. [04:00]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: off like a bandit. [04:01]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i'd rather sit in a hazmat suit and read good prose than live in a meadow of paper. [04:01]
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asciilifeform ^ [04:02]
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pete_dushenski man the recent comments on this theme are fugly. all title and no text. wtf. [04:03]
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mircea_popescu "Every 15 years or so, languages are replaced with better ones. C was replaced by C++, at least for large-scale application development by people who needed performance but desperately wanted data types too. C++ is being replaced by Java, and Java will doubtless be replaced with something better in seven years — well, seven years after it finishes replacing C++, which evidently hasn't fully happened yet, mostly becau [04:05]
mircea_popescu se Microsoft was able to stall it before it became ubiquitous on the desktop. But for server-side applications, C++ is basically on its way out." [04:05]
mircea_popescu way to be wrong. [04:05]
asciilifeform 'better ones' << mega-lol [04:05]
mircea_popescu turns out that C/C++ are sorta like me. keep being "in the process of" being superseeded periodically, then the would-be revolutionizer dies. [04:05]
mircea_popescu "Perl will be gone soon, too. That's because a new language called Ruby has finally been translated into English." [04:06]
mircea_popescu irl, ruby got raped with an insecurity stick almost as big as my schlong, and perl still reigns [04:06]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: then the would-be revolutionizer dies << notice, no new machines. [04:06]
asciilifeform (because those cost actual money to build, among other reasons) [04:06]
mircea_popescu myeah. [04:06]
mircea_popescu well, luckily you're not a codger, so who knows what the future brings. [04:07]
asciilifeform 'don't wait for bus, you might be the driver' etc [04:07]
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mod6 ;;bc,stats [04:19]
gribble Current Blocks: 324627 | Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 | Next Difficulty In: 1964 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 4 hours, 20 minutes, and 56 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 43040927023.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 22.96536 [04:20]
mod6 %v [04:23]
atcbot [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 180 Ask: 225 Last Price: 255 30d-Vol: 174k 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 180 30d-VWAP: 199 [04:23]
mircea_popescu like the world's most stable altcoin [04:23]
penguirker New blog post: [04:23]
asciilifeform quite a few are stable at 0... [04:23]
kakobrekla hehe [04:24]
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mircea_popescu now this is true [04:26]
mircea_popescu ;;seen bluemeanie [04:28]
gribble I have not seen bluemeanie. [04:28]
mircea_popescu ;;seen bluemeanie1 [04:28]
gribble I have not seen bluemeanie1. [04:28]
mircea_popescu hm [04:28]
mircea_popescu check out the dramas. [04:29]
assbot CryptoCoinsNews Is Anything But News [04:29]
cazalla i'm lovin' it [04:32]
mircea_popescu i thought that guy was in here but apparently gribble never saw it [04:33]
asciilifeform !s BlueMeanie4 [04:35]
assbot 817 results for 'BlueMeanie4' : [04:35]
asciilifeform (same or not? devil knows) [04:36]
mircea_popescu ah ok [04:36]
pete_dushenski ;;seen pankkake [04:42]
gribble pankkake was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 11 hours, 59 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: here is 0.000195. [04:42]
RagnarDanneskjol I met caleb chen from ccn last weekend - seems like a nice kid and is fully cognizant of his site's derpidity - people are still eating it up, so he's all 'fuck it' - no incentive to do otherwise (besides lost dignity). apparently they have like 40 part-time writers 'on-staff' [04:42]
pete_dushenski ;;later tell pankkake i'm getting the following error running your script: "The following packages have unmet dependencies: udev : Breaks: plymouth (< 0.9.0-7) but is to be installed E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages." << please to help! [04:43]
gribble The operation succeeded. [04:43]
pete_dushenski and ima a be off to the racquet club! [04:45]
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cazalla RagnarDanneskjol, that's interesting [04:55]
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mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol so maybe have him drop by [05:04]
mircea_popescu !up gabriel_laddel [05:04]
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mircea_popescu ;;seen BlueMeanie4 [05:04]
gribble BlueMeanie4 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 3 days, 7 hours, 59 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: hello from Murica [05:04]
RagnarDanneskjol will do [05:04]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell BlueMeanie4 so what about that nxt/devwork story ? [05:04]
gribble The operation succeeded. [05:04]
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ben_vulpes << never thought i'd see the day mircea_popescu suggested government intervention on anything [05:10]
assbot Logged on 10-10-2014 00:22:32; mircea_popescu: the only conceivable purpose i can see for government would be to allocate limits. you want to write a facebook ? register with govt, get a 10k line/250kb limit. if you overrun it you get shot. [05:10]
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mircea_popescu saying that the only thing this apple's good for is the pigs doesn't amount to a suggesting feeding the pigs. [05:11]
gabriel_laddel ;; google 3 generations of imbeciles was is enough [05:12]
gribble Buck v. Bell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; “Three Generations of Imbeciles Are Enough” - Genomics Law Report: ; Eugenics: Three Generations, No Imbeciles: Virginia, Eugenics ...: [05:12]
mircea_popescu "(yeah, there are a bunch) are going to have to realize that if Lisp is ever going to be massively successful, it needs an overhaul. Or maybe a revolution. Contrary to what some might tell you, it doesn't need a committee, and it doesn't need a bunch of money. Linux proved exactly the opposite. Lisp needs a benevolent dictator. Lisp needs to ditch the name "Lisp", since it scares people. And Lisp needs to learn from th [05:12]
mircea_popescu e lessons of the 45 years of languages that have followed it." [05:12]
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mircea_popescu this is an interesitng theory. i suspect it's actually true. [05:12]
asciilifeform one problem - there is not actually a programming language called 'lisp'. [05:13]
asciilifeform not since 1962 or so. [05:13]
thestringpuller common lisp [05:13]
thestringpuller lol [05:13]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform he makes this point yes. [05:13]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: I doubt this very much. 'Lisp' simply needs managers to understand why they should order those not good enough to sling dope to write it. [05:13]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller "other than being uncommon, common lisp is also not lisp" [05:13]
thestringpuller yea, which is funny. [05:14]
mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel in practice that sort of manager is a dictator. [05:14]
thestringpuller or at least to me. [05:14]
thestringpuller those not good enough to sling dope...that sounds familiar... [05:15]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: not necessarily. middle management worldwide likes java... why? [05:15]
gabriel_laddel one argument, [05:15]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: [05:15]
assbot Loper OS » Where Lisp Fails: at Turning People into Fungible Cogs. [05:15]
gabriel_laddel ;; google site: where lisp fails [05:15]
gribble Loper OS: ; Loper OS » Where Lisp Fails: at Turning People into Fungible Cogs.: ; Loper OS » Lisp: [05:15]
asciilifeform lol! [05:16]
mircea_popescu because marginal hires won't ruin your codebase quite as badly ? [05:16]
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ben_vulpes marginal hires have a hard time hacking it in lisp shops. [05:16]
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gabriel_laddel does anyone really think that an extra 8mm LoC per quarter is ''not ruining things quite as badly?' [05:16]
ben_vulpes imposes this floor on hire quality, reduces need to hire as rapidly. [05:16]
ben_vulpes 'course to leverage that, you gotta use the thing everywhere. makes it hard for the polyglot shop. [05:17]
mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel you kidding ? i doubt anyone even keeps track of mn granulairty. [05:17]
asciilifeform the whole concept of vast galley of slaves, fungible, working on a massive codebase, is fundamentally braindamaged. [05:18]
ben_vulpes ^^ [05:18]
decimation I was cursing python's inability to easily rewrite itself today [05:18]
ben_vulpes "9 women, 1 month" [05:18]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: people not keeping track of this is the problem. [05:18]
asciilifeform once grasp this, the only thing left is instrument for maximizing - at the cost of burned orphanages of any and all kinds, dead puppies, kittens - abilities of individual man. [05:18]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it'd better be because im betting on it getting blown out of the water. [05:18]
mircea_popescu and it's the one bet i'm least confident about. [05:19]
gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: exactly. [05:19]
mircea_popescu well boys, this approach of yours has only the minor disadvantage that it goes exactly against the constitution of the city you live in. [05:19]
gabriel_laddel time for towns then, no? [05:20]
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mircea_popescu it's not even a felony, it's outright treason. [05:20]
mircea_popescu sure. [05:20]
gabriel_laddel !s terry a davis [05:20]
assbot 0 results for 'terry a davis' : [05:20]
mircea_popescu i like how the b-a search function is self healing. not found anything ? try again! [05:21]
asciilifeform !s templeos [05:22]
assbot 3 results for 'templeos' : [05:22]
asciilifeform there we go. [05:22]
decimation the problem with lisp is that it is alient to the modern c-machine, especially the multi-core variety [05:23]
asciilifeform [05:23]
assbot Logged on 27-09-2014 03:28:42; asciilifeform: decimation: 'crazy' is the reason he actually got to work! [05:23]
gabriel_laddel It's a pity Terry doesn't frequent #b-a [05:23]
mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel can always drop him an invite. [05:23]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: nah. he mostly posts output from his biblical shannonizer. [05:23]
asciilifeform literally. [05:23]
asciilifeform (his gizmo comes with a 'talk with god' proggy) [05:23]
mircea_popescu decimation i don't get this. all machines are multi-core [05:23]
penguirker New blog post: [05:24]
gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: have you spoken with him privately / had to filter his comments on loper? [05:24]
mircea_popescu cazalla BingoBoingo for the record, i like the slightly skeptical tone of qntra reporting. tech reporting has been awash in gushing for too damned long. some classical skepticism is in dire need. [05:24]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: he commented once, saying i must have stolen his name [05:24]
decimation [05:24]
cazalla btw, dude that runs that ezybit ran a now defunct seo company lol [05:24]
assbot Guy Steele on Parallel Programing: Get rid of cons! [05:24]
asciilifeform (which was nonsense, i stole it long, long ago from clifford simak's 'city.') [05:25]
gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: Ah. In any case, imo he' [05:25]
mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot gabriel_laddel [05:25]
gabriel_laddel s more entertaining than say ninjashotgun [05:25]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask gabriel_laddel!4441a914@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ Trust relationship from user assbot to user gabriel_laddel: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Sun Aug 3 11:48:26 2014 [05:25]
gabriel_laddel certainly more talented. [05:26]
mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel you know how to use this thing to self voice ? [05:26]
gabriel_laddel yes [05:26]
decimation mircea_popescu: The Register is the only non-pure-pr tech news source that I know of [05:26]
asciilifeform i still have no idea if he's an actual nutter or merely playing the part so he gets to eat. [05:26]
asciilifeform hell knows, people do odder things, to eat without having to slave. [05:26]
mircea_popescu decimation and, note, they also display the mild, 1700s skepticism. [05:26]
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decimation yeah that's true, need more of that around [05:27]
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decimation [05:27]
assbot Sh** just got real: Amazon to open actual shop in New York City The Register [05:27]
decimation amazon has jumped the shark [05:27]
gabriel_laddel decimation: re, the problem with lisp... this isn't CL's problem, and not a real problem anyway. Compare to writing ~ALGOL on c-machine. [05:28]
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decimation ?? what part isn't the problem? 'automatic parallel-ization? [05:30]
gabriel_laddel you're claim is that the problem with lisp is that it's not built for the c-machine. my point is that even on c-machines it's still better than anything else out there. [05:31]
decimation that might be true, I'm not sure I can contain the set of all possible languages in my brain [05:32]
gabriel_laddel elaborate..? [05:32]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: tricky bit here. until rather recently (2009-ish) this was debatable (sparse ecosystems of publicly-available libraries in cl to deal with unfortunately ubiquitous crud like www) [05:32]
gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: I see. What I don't understand is why CLers haven't just ditched the web. [05:33]
asciilifeform problem (or not problem, depending on who you are) is that most cl work was and is done by 'naggum-like' figures - that is, behind closed doors, no public derping, no 'foss' [05:33]
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decimation indeed, for instance from the yegge article: "We retired Mailman. That's because we have the Quality With a Name — namely, Suckiness. We suck. We couldn't find anyone who was good enough at Emacs-Lisp to make it work. " [05:34]
asciilifeform again with the lisp lumping. [05:34]
asciilifeform as if emacs lisp had anything whatsoever to do with common lisp other than using s-expressios. [05:34]
asciilifeform *expressions [05:34]
decimation python is lisp too! [05:34]
decimation :) [05:34]
asciilifeform let's call 'c', 'pascal', 'python', 'fortran' --> ALGOL. [05:35]
gabriel_laddel done. [05:35]
decimation I'm game. [05:35]
asciilifeform except one problem [05:36]
asciilifeform this dignified the crud with name of a mostly honourable ancestor. [05:36]
decimation [05:36]
assbot Hot DRAM! Samsung splurges $15 BILLION on Korean chip fab The Register [05:36]
asciilifeform like calling modern euroderps 'romans' (or even 'gauls', etc) [05:36]
asciilifeform the ducks may have come from the trucks, but how now. [05:37]
decimation the obvious problem with derping on better hardware is the extremely high cost hurdle [05:37]
mircea_popescu !up gubatron [05:37]
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decimation derping on c-machine is essentially free [05:37]
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asciilifeform i just love it when some clinical idiot decides to make inferences from his derpitudinous youth involving elisp on x86 to actual lisp on actual iron built for it [05:38]
asciilifeform esp. if ignorant of the latter [05:38]
mircea_popescu unfortunately ubiquitous crud like www <<< there's a major paradigm shift underplayed here. for approximately 1980 (kiler micro) to 2009, the ONLY utility of computing was www. with bitcoin, the www is a minor point, other things are major points now. [05:38]
mircea_popescu and ill bbs. [05:38]
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gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: I'm at a loss for a better name. ALGOL, ~algol or algol is fine with me. Even their honorable ancestor was part of a fruitless evolutionary tree. [05:40]
decimation in case folks haven't seen the latest amusement with x86: [05:41]
assbot Intel Underestimates Error Bounds by 1.3 quintillion | Random ASCII [05:41]
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asciilifeform decimation: anyone who ever tries to actually use intel's trig functions - discovers this, yes. [05:46]
asciilifeform aaand, [05:46]
asciilifeform [05:46]
assbot Logged on 01-10-2014 03:13:19; asciilifeform: phun phact. traditionally, the folks who write cpu manuals (how many people here have seen them alive? dead tree manuals) don't have access to original design specs. [05:46]
asciilifeform don't say i didn't warn. [05:46]
asciilifeform [05:47]
assbot Logged on 01-10-2014 03:14:52; asciilifeform: so there is a mostly unwritten 'talmud' of differences between intel's manuals and the reality. [05:47]
decimation asciilifeform: in this case the error was so well-publicized intel promised to... update the docs [05:47]
asciilifeform etc [05:47]
asciilifeform afaik they don't even sell printed docs now. [05:47]
asciilifeform so, they'll update a pdf turd. [05:47]
asciilifeform big fat deal. [05:47]
decimation I wish I could just connect a pipe from the sse register to my own fpga machine [05:48]
asciilifeform decimation: what you may not know is that intel sells this. and amd as well. for $maxint. [05:48]
asciilifeform golden toilet for u.s. 'intelligence komyoonity' [05:49]
decimation yeah I've heard of the 'hybrid fpga cpu' design [05:49]
asciilifeform i've been trying, and failing, for some years, to get a hold of one (just one!) on the junk markets [05:49]
thestringpuller ;;later tell nubbins` let me know when a good time to discuss a second order with you. i think we may have sold all 6 shirts. [05:49]
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decimation similar animal [05:50]
assbot Logged on 13-08-2014 23:40:47; decimation: << microserf implemented fpga co-processors for bing search, paper is mildly interesting [05:50]
asciilifeform not all that similar. cpu in fpga fabric. you can do this right now [05:51]
asciilifeform a few hundy of 'ebay' parts. [05:51]
asciilifeform i'm assuming you want a specifically x86 variant for something. [05:52]
asciilifeform because 'xilinx' sells, by the tonne, a large fpga with built in 'ppc' cores. [05:52]
asciilifeform (i own several.) [05:52]
asciilifeform (x86 is rather too complex to actually implement in any extant fpga and still leave room for something useful on top) [05:53]
decimation I guess I was thinking of "connecting the pipes" [05:53]
asciilifeform no real way of doing this at full clock [05:53]
asciilifeform other than to host them on one die [05:53]
asciilifeform hence the rarity. [05:54]
decimation today I was using the xilinix ise - it's a piece of shit [05:54]
asciilifeform aye, yes it is. [05:54]
asciilifeform and there is literally no alternative (other than 'altera' - who have a considerably fouler turd) [05:54]
decimation I've heard that the 'synplify' synthesizer is much better, but costs golden toilet cash [05:55]
asciilifeform the serious fpga market (vs. 'lattice' & friends, who largely get used for minor glue logic) is a duopoly. [05:55]
asciilifeform decimation: understand why the actual internals are secret. [05:55]
asciilifeform decimation: both 'xilinx' and 'altera' make the bulk of their profit by renting out the right to use 'cores' (as they call them) - libraries, to a normal person [05:56]
asciilifeform e.g., ethernet card [05:56]
asciilifeform dram controller [05:56]
decimation right, or softcpu with bus turd [05:56]
asciilifeform mips cpu [05:56]
asciilifeform etc. [05:56]
asciilifeform they have literally no way of enforcing their copyright other than obfuscation [05:56]
asciilifeform hence, some of the gnarliest, moving-target obfuscation in the known world. [05:57]
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asciilifeform (each new series of 'xilinx' chip has considerably altered internals, to make past reverser's efforts less useful) [05:57]
asciilifeform basically, fpga works, but all existing high-density examples are sold by scammers of a kind - who absolutely could not abide the buyer using these items as the schoolbook promised - 'reconfigurable computer' [05:58]
decimation the problem is that one must compile a secret 'talmud' of RTL that can be written which will actually work, as opposed to being valid [05:58]
asciilifeform and an even gnarlier talmud of combinations that will result in anything like usable performance [05:59]
asciilifeform example. [05:59]
asciilifeform you can read an sdram spec by, e.g., 'micron' (i did) and implement a ddr2 sdram controller. [05:59]
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asciilifeform but it won't work [05:59]
asciilifeform unless you can somehow learn where the chip's fabric puts various i/o in relation to other circuitry [06:00]
asciilifeform so everybody ends up using the vendor's. [06:00]
decimation depressingly, this results in large-scale projects being soft-cpu sequential turds, rather than asynchronous combinatorial nets where possible [06:00]
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asciilifeform because fpga in the schoolbook sense is not actually available. [06:00]
asciilifeform at any price. [06:00]
decimation yeah ask any fpga design who have attempted to write 'ddr' interface if you want to hear sadness & tears [06:00]
asciilifeform you'd have to buy 'xilinx' or 'altera' - the company - to go with the chip. and publicly gut it. [06:01]
gabriel_laddel am I correct in assuming that documenting efforts in reverse engineering a particular xlinx model is illegal / will land one in trouble with usg? [06:01]
asciilifeform one fellow got pretty far [06:01]
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asciilifeform but problem is, such efforts are quickly obsoleted. [06:01]
decimation eh, I doubt usg will care much [06:01]
asciilifeform as in, by the time you're done, the chip is no longer commercially available in quantity. [06:01]
decimation it's more the issue ascii points out, if you want the latest shit you are out of luck [06:01]
gabriel_laddel I see. [06:02]
asciilifeform thing you must appreciate, if never having worked with fpga, is that they just barely work. [06:02]
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gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: do you have a link handy for the fellow who got pretty far? [06:02]
asciilifeform e.g., you can lay out the equivalent of a '486' and get around that performance, but only if you have some idea of the actual physical topology of the circuit. [06:02]
asciilifeform [06:04]
assbot debit - reverse-engineering tools for FPGA bitstreams - Google Project Hosting [06:04]
asciilifeform and elsewhere, i forget where [06:04]
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asciilifeform << censored now and again [06:04]
assbot debit- xilinx bitstream decompiler project has been vanished? or does someone know the URL | Comp.Arch.FPGA | [06:04]
decimation fyi [06:05]
assbot Propeller 1 Open Source | Parallax Inc [06:05]
mircea_popescu you'd have to buy 'xilinx' or 'altera' - the company - to go with the chip. and publicly gut it. << it will happen. [06:05]
asciilifeform decimation: there is no shortage whatsoever of open 'verilog' code for 10000+ things [06:05]
gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: decimation: thank you. [06:06]
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decimation yeah, some of them are useful [06:06]
asciilifeform decimation: problem is lack of fpga with documented layout, so you aren't chained to a vendor's turdware. [06:06]
decimation I can't imagine that this business model of making enemies of your customers will survive [06:06]
mircea_popescu not with internet-connected customers. it just can;t. [06:07]
asciilifeform shame fpga was invented too late for soviet version [06:07]
decimation yeah that's a good point, why doesn't samsung or some chinese vendor bust this stuff up? [06:07]
asciilifeform decimation: bad fit for chinese business model [06:08]
decimation it's not like there's a mystery about how to design an fpga [06:08]
asciilifeform decimation: have to understand what fpga is used for [06:08]
asciilifeform it has very little role to play in the kind of items chicoms make [06:08]
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asciilifeform mostly used in miniscule runs, prototypes - where american units generally suffice [06:08]
asciilifeform because it doesn't really matter what they cost [06:09]
asciilifeform the kind of machine that absolutely requires an fpga - simply has not been designed yet. [06:09]
asciilifeform and when designed - won't be chinese. [06:09]
mircea_popescu hm. [06:10]
The20YearIRCloud What kind of outlook do you guys have on silver & gold? [06:11]
asciilifeform i've been working on 'genuinely' reconfigurable cpu for some years now. but, understand, most of the reading i do - is material as old as i am. [06:11]
asciilifeform in ancient, dusty library. [06:11]
mircea_popescu but since losethos has been mentioned : i do suspect ninjashogun is of a similar brand, without of course the technical ability. [06:11]
asciilifeform because the subject 'is dead dontchaknow, study something modern like blubbazilla' [06:11]
decimation asciilifeform: the related topic of asynchronous design seems to be in the same state [06:12]
asciilifeform decimation: yes. [06:12]
decimation 'we don't do it because no chips and tools' 'no chips and tools because no demand' [06:12]
mircea_popescu [06:12]
assbot TempleOS: AfterEgypt - YouTube [06:12]
asciilifeform decimation: someone did build a clockless 'arm' a few years ago, an israeli firm quietly sells it for military clients, it's a footnote mostly. [06:12]
asciilifeform yes it is neat [06:13]
mircea_popescu !up devthedev [06:13]
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asciilifeform but virtually impossible, last i tried, to actually run [06:13]
The20YearIRCloud clockless? [06:13]
decimation these folks [06:13]
assbot The Advanced Processor Technologies Group [06:13]
devthedev Good evening [06:13]
asciilifeform (won't go under 'vmware' or any machine i could dig up) [06:13]
asciilifeform losethos ^ [06:13]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 1 or so min. mark - the infamous 'talk to god' proggy. [06:14]
mircea_popescu the whole thing looks like open transactions. [06:14]
decimation The20YearIRCloud: my opinion - silver is an industrial metal, gold is going to be replaced by bitcoin in the long run but is still a reasonable altcoin - but note that it is not independent of gov'ts with big vaults of the stuff [06:14]
The20YearIRCloud You think govts are honest about their gold and metal reserves? decimation [06:15]
mircea_popescu it's improbable they'll move significantly either direction. [06:15]
decimation The20YearIRCloud: clockless - ie no clock - a cpu which executes instructions at whatever speed its logic circuits can cycle their state [06:15]
The20YearIRCloud I'm debating whether I want to get more BTC, PMs, or guns, or if I should balance what I have now a different way [06:15]
The20YearIRCloud I didn't realize that it was possible to do that, are the speeds typically much higher than what their clocked counterparts are? [06:16]
decimation The20YearIRCloud: they are about as honest with gold as they are with their btc holdings [06:16]
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mircea_popescu decimation well, no. reversedly. for instance, germany claims to hold some gold it doesn't, and doesn't claim to hold any bitcoin, tho i think they do hold some. [06:16]
decimation The20YearIRCloud: they can be, but the problem is that they are 'difficult' to design because the soccer-ball-chasing-6-year-olds of academia & industry have declared the tech 'dead' [06:17]
The20YearIRCloud Germany is trying to get their gold back as it was all held in Paris, london and NYC. Out of all the countries I think they have a pretty transparent gold program, and it's showing how dishonest the US is [06:17]
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mircea_popescu myeah. [06:17]
The20YearIRCloud Isn't it the same way with large paralell programming (High multi-core stuff) as they've lagged behind on development so much that some consider it aobsolete? [06:18]
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decimation mircea_popescu: good point. The ongoing drama with the fed & its german gold holdings is quite amusing [06:18]
decimation The20YearIRCloud: it's safe to say that writing software that makes efficient use of 'modern' multicore chip designs is not a simple undertaking [06:19]
The20YearIRCloud I wish it was easier to do, that way I could run dwarf fortress in all its glory [06:20]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform guess what you and mr davis have in common. [06:20]
decimation lol I tried to play dwarf fortress once, it seemed like a colassal waste of time, but amusing [06:20]
mircea_popescu "I designed a 3 axis stepper-motor-driven milling machine 1996-1997 with a CAD/CAM package for a company I started called Home Automation and Robotic Equipment." [06:20]
kakobrekla its a popular thing. [06:21]
The20YearIRCloud It's fantastic, i'm told it has one of the worst learning curves even surpassing star control. But once you understand it, it's immensely fun [06:21]
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mircea_popescu ;;ticker [06:29]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 367.55, Best ask: 369.05, Bid-ask spread: 1.50000, Last trade: 369.1, 24 hour volume: 47516.56487113, 24 hour low: 349.0, 24 hour high: 395.55, 24 hour vwap: 369.384866292 [06:29]
decimation pete's link about companies on the 'buyback treadmill' is hilarious [06:31]
The20YearIRCloud buyback treadmill? [06:32]
decimation [06:34]
assbot Logged on 10-10-2014 00:44:58; pete_dushenski: << those stilts. [06:34]
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decimation large holders of bezzlars have no idea how to profitably invest them, so they just publically embezzle them [06:35]
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The20YearIRCloud kind of throw the entire premise out when they start talking about wealth inequality [06:36]
mircea_popescu i don't get how cash distribution can be held against the management. [06:36]
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mircea_popescu they're overcapitalized and downsizing. what's wrong with that ? [06:36]
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The20YearIRCloud "It puts less money in the hands of the people that know what they're doing - the menial laborers' [06:36]
decimation mircea_popescu: normally it wouldn't, unless it is supiciously coupled with said management excercising their generous options [06:36]
mircea_popescu the traditional route is to pursue "sexy" mergers and go bankrupt a decade later. this is better for everyone. [06:36]
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mircea_popescu decimation a well that's a diff story. but the problem are the generous options then. [06:37]
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decimation mircea_popescu: agreed. [06:37]
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asciilifeform cnc << i distinctly recall kakobrekla also has one. [06:58]
asciilifeform (built) [06:58]
asciilifeform << intro to clockless for n00bs [07:00]
assbot C gate - [07:00]
asciilifeform incidentally, goes great with trinary logic (how? exercise for alert reader.) [07:01]
mircea_popescu sooo... ipad has a memory leak [07:02]
mircea_popescu if you search for a generic term in their package manager and keep scrolling... eventually iot crashes [07:03]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: almost every vendor proggy on that thing has leaks [07:03]
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asciilifeform (crash on ios can, of course, result from conditions other than out-of-ram-kill) [07:04]
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mircea_popescu apparently stevieboy's idea of apt-get is a sort of mozilla [07:04]
mircea_popescu and you bitch about the pile of turd that's c++/python software built on top of a c os ? [07:05]
mircea_popescu what's the ipad stack then. [07:05]
gabriel_laddel following up 20 post care package from #b-a blog roll [07:05]
assbot Logged on 16-07-2014 20:32:30; mike_c: ok - compile a list of 20 blog posts from blogs.b-a that are appropriate to target. tweet one a day @ target. [07:05]
mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel who's your target ? [07:06]
thestringpuller good evening hanbot or I guess morning? [07:07]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: The list of targets, irc is Nick Szabo, Nicholas Taleb. [07:08]
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asciilifeform lol! [07:08]
asciilifeform i can't picture what taleb (or for that matter herr sz) would get out of my turds [07:08]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: I sent it to Terry A Davis, perhaps he can be convinced to write Lisp... [07:08]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: davis reads my site, i think; grudgingly [07:09]
mircea_popescu is the guy actually nuts or just being an internet person ? [07:09]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: his bread and rent are paid for by usg as 'disability pension' [07:09]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: so he has to be either 1) genuine nutter 2) play the part until he goes to his grave [07:10]
mircea_popescu o yea ? because if he stops what happens ? [07:10]
asciilifeform then he ends up like me, possibly [07:10]
xanthyos it's not difficult for an actor to get lost in that part [07:10]
mircea_popescu it is a pretty big part. [07:10]
asciilifeform 'we are what we pretend to be, so must be careful what we pretend to be' [07:11]
asciilifeform << trinary vlsi cells, for the really serious nutters [07:12]
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asciilifeform << ru thread re: above. [07:12]
assbot : Computer Science - 11 [07:12]
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gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: re, what they could get out of your posts. You've rather clearly articulated the problem with the current computing stack. I'm unaware of any other person documenting the incumbent's desire to cater to the stupid. As thinking men, they must find it irritating to interface with today's machines. [07:13]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: the crux of the matter, though, is that the only possible proof is experimental. and so what i really should've worked on, instead of essays, would've been some scam like davis has [07:15]
asciilifeform because it is quite impossible to carry out the proof while day job. [07:15]
gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: I suppose. In any case, your essays exist. [07:16]
asciilifeform i've concinced perhaps... 3, 4, 5 people who actually understood what the hell the entire picture is about. [07:17]
asciilifeform i suppose that's more than some people can say. [07:17]
asciilifeform *convinced [07:17]
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mircea_popescu there's probably thousands. [07:18]
mircea_popescu the trouble is, monkeys be lazy. [07:18]
mircea_popescu and laziness in monkeys is perhaps the most complex self-writing piece of software ever [07:18]
asciilifeform there's perhaps 2, 3 other monkeys who can do it also. but they're likely also stuck working for living. [07:19]
asciilifeform 1 of the 3 other monkeys, perhaps, knows russian (which imho is an absolute hard requirement for this particular stunt) [07:20]
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cazalla ;;later tell devthedev i changed a few things so that article is not overly promotional for altcoins or snapcard/wix [07:29]
gribble The operation succeeded. [07:29]
thestringpuller and cazalla tellin' me he ain't an editor [07:30]
thestringpuller ;) [07:30]
cazalla thestringpuller, i said writer, not editor :P [07:30]
penguirker New blog post: [07:30]
thestringpuller how does day 8 look? [07:31]
thestringpuller in terms of traffic? [07:31]
asciilifeform << linked from 'qntra'. mis-shapen usb drive with winblows exes, mega-lol! [07:31]
assbot The Easiest Way To Buy Bitcoin | BitcoinEzy [07:31]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: what happens when one of these "secure" wallets gets exploited? [07:31]
thestringpuller hardware wallets* [07:31]
asciilifeform afaik that isn't even a 'hardware wallet' [07:31]
asciilifeform at least, nothing on the vendor site seems to claim it outright [07:32]
thestringpuller oh i was thinking of bitstash [07:32]
* asciilifeform not familiar with above [07:32]
thestringpuller [07:32]
assbot BitStash [07:32]
cazalla thestringpuller, 924 views for 11 articles, my only concern with this plug in is it might be tracking BingoBoingo and my own use of the site [07:32]
asciilifeform 'Accessed via hardened bluetooth wireless using your mobile devices....' << ahahaha that one. [07:33]
thestringpuller yea so when one of these things gets hacked is it an immediate game over? [07:33]
asciilifeform the one that picks up 'radio havana' to generate keys, yes [07:33]
asciilifeform game over for whom ? [07:34]
thestringpuller the consumer [07:34]
mircea_popescu the construction "isn't limited to simply Bitcoin, but also Litecoin, Ripple and Dogecoin" is broken in that it expands to "isn't limited to X, it's limited to X Y Z and K" [07:34]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller prolly. [07:34]
asciilifeform depends also if pwned by theorist in a garret somewhere, or by vendor, by design, for mass vacuuming [07:35]
asciilifeform although if remote pwnhole, can lead to same end. [07:35]
asciilifeform keys generated 'with atomospheric noise and prng' suggest latter scenario [07:36]
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thestringpuller lol. sounds like a mole. "trust our wallet". vendor uses backdoor to steal all the consumer funds. [07:36]
asciilifeform not vendor per se. vendor's vendor. [07:37]
asciilifeform (his owner) [07:37]
asciilifeform but i digress. [07:37]
thestringpuller looks like nothing is as secure as a good 'ol paper wallet buried like old school treasure. [07:38]
cazalla mircea_popescu, fixed [07:40]
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asciilifeform thestringpuller: old school treasure << 'the!' treasure thread >> [08:08]
assbot Logged on 30-08-2014 20:46:17; asciilifeform: but, as every treatise on the subject invariably begins with, first try to understand what is to be hidden - and from whom [08:08]
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thestringpuller thanks asciilifeform, i missed that thread. [08:18]
thestringpuller modern treasure hiding. i guess in international waters you have to worry about pirates? [08:20]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: hardest part, aside from constructing the hypothetical apparatus, is finding the site again without recourse to satellite. [08:20]
thestringpuller well i guess then treasure hunters shall find it in future if you bite the bullet before retrieval. [08:22]
thestringpuller not the first time that's happened I suppose... [08:22]
thestringpuller or perhaps it remains unclaimed for many lifetimes... [08:23]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: go fetch treasure from 5km+ down. [08:23]
asciilifeform in particular, while not knowing where. [08:23]
thestringpuller the titanic hid all but lost treasures for nearly a century... [08:23]
asciilifeform titanic is at ~4km, afaik - and, still there... [08:24]
thestringpuller this also intrigued me about dropping a message in a bottle down the marianas trench... [08:24]
thestringpuller but i don't think many devices could withstand the entire trip [08:25]
decimation thestringpuller: I think the engineering is feasible, but it certainly wouldn't be cheap. As ascii emphasized in that thread, this is for items worth >$100k 'hiding' [08:26]
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thestringpuller i understand. my imagination likes to run wild. I was thinking of trusting a >$100k fortune in BTC to a paper wallet via treasure hiding, vs. the so-called "secure" hardware wallets [08:27]
asciilifeform 100k being a very conservative figure. [08:27]
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thestringpuller but the problem asciilifeform has described makes for more effort of retrieval in the former scenario. [08:28]
thestringpuller if retrieval is at all possible in ones lifetime after stashing. [08:28]
asciilifeform trivial retrieval with hydrophone scheme (other than how to find location. learn stellar navigation.) [08:29]
thestringpuller does burying device on remote island (possibly uncharted) not work anymore? [08:29]
thestringpuller or is this method outdated. [08:29]
asciilifeform island is cheap to search. [08:30]
decimation stellar navigation is generally only as good as your time source [08:30]
asciilifeform decimation: dollar store quartz watch. [08:30]
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decimation loses seconds per month, and how are you gonna set it if you can't count on 'infrastructure'? [08:30]
thestringpuller decimation: this is why it was so difficult to tell time in the sea during the old days. [08:31]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: it's funny how a quartz watch does what a very expensive device did during the 1700's. [08:31]
asciilifeform building machines today that can be counted on 50 years from now - is a solvable problem. [08:31]
thestringpuller in regards to sea travel [08:31]
asciilifeform military engineers consider it every day. [08:31]
decimation even in those old days they could reconstruct 'time' from solar observations & so forth, just took awhile to do so [08:32]
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asciilifeform not the same machines as sold to consumers/chumps, yes [08:32]
asciilifeform but buildable. [08:32]
thestringpuller well you didn't have a "torch" of time when you left the some point watches didn't exist. [08:32]
thestringpuller you know time in relation to your current position but not in relation to the mainland. [08:32]
decimation asciilifeform: indeed, the first step for someone considering 'off-the-grid' navigation would be to find a way to keep the 'fire' of accurate time burning without external aid [08:32]
thestringpuller longitude is hard. [08:33]
asciilifeform not actually hard if you've discovered electromagnetism (electric tuning fork clock, considerably simpler than harrison's chronometer, is quite easy to construct) [08:33]
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thestringpuller was electomagnetism widely discovered at the point the chronometer came about? [08:34]
thestringpuller i remember there was a large bounty for the chronometer during it's inception [08:34]
asciilifeform nope. [08:34]
asciilifeform and yes, bounty. [08:35]
decimation nope, it would take a few $1,000 in ovenized crystal oscillators and/or rubidium (rubidium clocks have a finite lifetime though) [08:35]
asciilifeform (there is an - american? - film about it.) [08:35]
asciilifeform decimation: to locate what? an ant in the sea ?) [08:35]
decimation asciilifeform: hehe well certainly one would have to calculate 'how close' one must be in order to effectively trigger release [08:37]
decimation presumably the closer one can get, the more alternative retrieval methods become feasible [08:37]
thestringpuller diving 5km is pretty bad. [08:38]
asciilifeform if capsule floats a microphone near the thermocline (naturally, by a wire too thin to be lifted by) can 'pop' from 1000+km. [08:38]
asciilifeform owner - doesn't need to dive. [08:38]
asciilifeform at all. [08:38]
decimation I saw the "H1" clock at the Greenwich observatory, it was a fancy machine [08:38]
asciilifeform enemy - yes, has to dive. [08:38]
decimation owner must dive if release fails [08:38]
thestringpuller ^ [08:38]
decimation or swab the bottom somehow [08:38]
asciilifeform if release fails - he's not an owner, any more. [08:38]
asciilifeform like bitcoin. [08:38]
thestringpuller point taken. [08:38]
decimation hehe a gift to neptune [08:38]
asciilifeform what do you own if lose key. [08:38]
asciilifeform your tears. [08:39]
thestringpuller !b 3 [08:39]
assbot Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( ) [08:39]
thestringpuller grr I'll rebash that [08:39]
thestringpuller !b [08:39]
assbot Need a number of lines. [08:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1950 @ 0.00074049 = 1.444 BTC [-] [08:39]
decimation ;;ticker [08:42]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 376.06, Best ask: 378.68, Bid-ask spread: 2.62000, Last trade: 378.68, 24 hour volume: 48239.04792239, 24 hour low: 349.0, 24 hour high: 395.55, 24 hour vwap: 369.705424437 [08:42]
decimation it will be interesting to see if this bottom holds [08:42]
asciilifeform << off the shelf. [08:44]
assbot Teledyne Benthos Acoustic Modems - 960 Series ATM-966 [08:44]
asciilifeform 2-6 km range. max depth 6km. [08:44]
thestringpuller 6km is pretty deep... [08:44]
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decimation asciilifeform: re: 50 year lifetime << 'enterprise' servers have hilarious claimed 'mtbf' (1.7 million hours!) [08:48]
asciilifeform wandering decimal place? lulz [08:49]
decimation ;;calc 1700000/(24*364.25) [08:49]
gribble 194.463509494 [08:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 30000 @ 0.00003502 = 1.0506 BTC [-] {2} [08:51]
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penguirker New blog post: [09:10]
mircea_popescu this'd be a decent idea for an oglaf strip : a retarded indian that doesn't quite grok the entire scalping business so he's going around with a string of pubic hair patches [09:11]
mircea_popescu "As he packs up his BFL units to sell, he explains to his son that he threw away his bitcoins and their future because he is stupid and ignored MPOE-PR's posts on Bitcoin Talk. Despite all of this, Dan continues to wear his Butterfly Labs t-shirt till the end of the film, as if it is a remnant, a small piece of a future he will not enjoy." [09:12]
mircea_popescu no fucking way ?! [09:12]
cazalla that's my interpretation [09:13]
cazalla he shows his kid a bitcoin difficulty chart and says look at all the people mining, these bfls are shit so im selling em [09:13]
thickasthieves is that like right befror it hits $1000? [09:14]
mircea_popescu hilarious article. [09:15]
cazalla dunno, i only skipped through looking for good parts [09:15]
thickasthieves i havent even taken the time to read 1 reddit post on the movie [09:15]
thickasthieves it's repelled me from the start [09:16]
cazalla it's not good, the only thing that stood out was the guy turned from enthusiastic to gutted, you can't miss it [09:17]
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pete_dushenski ;;isitup [09:30]
gribble Error: "isitup" is not a valid command. [09:30]
pete_dushenski ;;isitdown [09:30]
gribble is down [09:30]
pete_dushenski such lulz [09:30]
pete_dushenski praise be to pankkake for calling their ass out back in june [09:31]
assbot is a scam | pankkake [09:31]
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assbot Intel Underestimates Error Bounds by 1.3 quintillion | Random ASCII [09:32]
decimation punkman: already beat you to it: [09:33]
assbot Logged on 10-10-2014 02:39:21; decimation: in case folks haven't seen the latest amusement with x86: [09:33]
punkman oh [09:33]
punkman more lulz from twatter [09:34]
pete_dushenski punkman: ha! nice. [09:35]
mircea_popescu has a point. [09:35]
decimation lol mormon as a branch of methodist [09:35]
mircea_popescu seems reasonable. [09:36]
mircea_popescu where'd you put it ? [09:36]
mircea_popescu it's definitely "colorful neoprotestant" [09:36]
decimation I guess one could make an argument, given the * [09:36]
pete_dushenski decimation: they both had found the teachings of one particular man to be worth branching off for [09:37]
pete_dushenski i think i just mentioned that in a footnote recently... [09:37]
pete_dushenski [09:38]
assbot Thank Your Lucky Trolls | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski [09:38]
pete_dushenski "Methodism is like Mormonism in that it follows the life and teachings of a recently living man. Methodism follows Britain John Wesley (1703–1791) and Mormonism follows American Joseph Smith (1805–1844). Maybe you can start a branch of Christianity too!" [09:38]
pete_dushenski one right after the other. [09:38]
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pete_dushenski i guess i shoulda written "maybe you can start a branch of judaism too!" [09:39]
mircea_popescu brit ? [09:40]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: if capsule floats a microphone near the thermocline (naturally, by a wire too thin to be lifted by) can 'pop' from 1000+km. << unless someone/thing tried to lift it prior [09:43]
punkman [09:45]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: king of the britains? [09:45]
mircea_popescu "follows Britain John Wesley " is broken [09:45]
decimation modern Methodism has degenerated into becoming fairly indistinct from the "liberal religion" [09:46]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: ya… it is. [09:48]
mircea_popescu generally, the proposition that you'll "go to heaven" through a certain recipe is doomed to create monsters [09:48]
mircea_popescu [09:50]
mircea_popescu they're back [09:50]
assbot Why Dogecoin is a scam, why the people pushing it are assholes, why Business Insider is a contemptible piece of shit, why anyone who ever worked for it will be dancing in the street for nickels and why Kevin Rose is a fuckwit. Plus other considerations. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [09:50]
punkman dat title [09:50]
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pete_dushenski ;;google itulip [09:51]
gribble - The Contrary Market View - For Independent Financial ...: ; Forum Actions - ; 2013 Review and 2014 Forecast - Part I: The Last Bubble - Eric ...: [09:51]
mircea_popescu " Ad Policy As of March 31, 2006, you well see Goggle AdSense ads on" [09:53]
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decimation lol dogecoin volume has suddenly doubled on cryptsy the past few weeks [09:54]
mircea_popescu shit assets don't simply die [09:59]
mircea_popescu they go to the pink sheets, to live as one of a few well specified chumpatron models [10:00]
punkman hah [10:07]
mircea_popescu can you translate ? [10:08]
punkman [10:09]
assbot Why didn't you invest in Eastern Poland? - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [10:09]
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punkman ah somethingawful already did it [10:13]
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thickasthieves [10:56]
assbot naspo comments on WARNING: Bitcoin Address Blacklists have been forced into the Gentoo Linux bitcoind distribution by Luke-jr against the will of other core devs. Gentoo maintainers are clueless and not reversing the change. Boycott Gentoo now. [10:56]
thickasthieves i know bingo mentioned it used luke's patches, but i didnt know the patches has blacklists [10:57]
thickasthieves bliacklists... [10:58]
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bounce uh. yay, let's make bitcoin more like paypal and visa/mastercard, and arbitrarily shut out parties you don't like [11:07]
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RagnarDanneskjol speaking of: 01:00 <#bitcoin-dev> petertoddgwillen: haha, yeah they do - mircea popescu had me buy him SomethingAwful passes with my credit card a few times so he could troll there [11:09]
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mircea_popescu not like it actually does anything. bout as retarded as bayesian spam filtering. [11:19]
mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol it's in the logs. [11:19]
RagnarDanneskjol ahh [11:20]
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thickasthieves i can appreciate luke-jr excercising his own voting/filtering rights though [11:28]
thickasthieves patching it into defaults is pretty lame [11:28]
bounce it's a curious discussion. he gets to patch the gentoo bitcoind because he's a core dev? why isn't that patch in mainline then? [11:29]
assbot luke-jr +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 [11:32]
thickasthieves !up luke-jr [11:32]
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Luke-Jr it's not appropriate for mainline; I'd reject it myself [11:33]
thickasthieves this turned into a whole fud in the trader chat, theyre all FINCEN WANTZ BLACKLISTSZ! [11:33]
mircea_popescu gentoo decided they'll let bitcoin in there as a luke thing. [11:33]
mircea_popescu hardly a reason to "boycott gentoo" [11:33]
bounce so what makes it appropriate for gentoo? [11:34]
mircea_popescu in fact, anyone with the werewithal to boycott as much as a donut stand can just as well patch out whatever. [11:34]
thickasthieves i'm like dude, look at the list [11:34]
Luke-Jr bounce: it's better than nothing, until we have a better spam filter implementation [11:34]
bounce uhm. no. [11:34]
Luke-Jr also, in Gentoo, it's optional [11:34]
Luke-Jr because we can just apply the patch or not [11:34]
bounce turns out it ended up as the default option, so that's one argument down the drain. [11:35]
mircea_popescu as per usual, reddit makes a mess of things. they're like ten year olds, those people. "o did you hear sugar kills ? sure, it killed sam's dog!" [11:35]
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mircea_popescu cue memes of an antropomorphic sugar cube with chainsaw [11:36]
Luke-Jr bounce: still an option [11:36]
Luke-Jr it *should* be default, since it's better [11:36]
thickasthieves ok how many people using the bitcoin wallet in gentoo would blindly use this default [11:36]
thickasthieves 7? [11:36]
Luke-Jr I don't have that exact number. [11:36]
thickasthieves we'll say 7 then [11:36]
bounce then that's still no argument. also you're not answering the question. [11:36]
mircea_popescu it looks eerily accurate [11:36]
Luke-Jr bounce: it's appropriate for everyone, just not every*thing* [11:37]
thickasthieves uhh [11:38]
thickasthieves which people are things? [11:38]
Luke-Jr bounce: and we wouldn't want to *force* it on anyone [11:38]
Luke-Jr thickasthieves: the reference code is a thing [11:38]
bounce this makes no sense [11:38]
thickasthieves the default in gentoo is a thing [11:38]
mircea_popescu look, it's really simple. gentoo doesn't give a shit about bitcoin, it's yet another crackpot app as far as they're concerned. at some internal review it was determined it's much too buggy to be in main, and so it got put wherever they put retarded shit, and put someone in charge of it, in this case luke. the someone in charge is doing weird shit to it, as you'd expect of someone in charge of a buggy piece of shit not [11:40]
mircea_popescu in main, whether it be luke or not. [11:40]
mircea_popescu none of this is remarkable, but in fact functioning as intended. [11:40]
Luke-Jr thickasthieves: the default in gentoo is for highly technical users to judge; the reference code is for developers to read [11:41]
thickasthieves basically, it's his domain until it isnt [11:41]
bounce well, at least someone thought up a nice logo for bitcoind-ljr. [11:41]
mircea_popescu if you're the sort of gentoo/linux/foss user that downloads and runs buggy pieces of shit, you're expected to either a) be conversant in code and fix em or else b) not run production. [11:41]
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mircea_popescu orly ? [12:01]
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mircea_popescu lmao. dude... anyone can do that. including the derp writing the report. [12:03]
thickasthieves ;;estimate [12:04]
gribble Next difficulty estimate | 32873538172.4 based on data since last change | 34777196895.2 based on data for last three days [12:04]
mircea_popescu btw BingoBoingo [12:08]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28697 @ 0.0007432 = 21.3276 BTC [+] {2} [12:09]
mircea_popescu so it turns out deedbot got haxed. [12:09]
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mircea_popescu ;;rated molokodesk [12:09]
gribble You rated user molokodesk on Tue Sep 30 07:54:20 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: b-a deedsbot dev. AAA would hire again.. [12:09]
mircea_popescu ;;rate molokodesk -1 meh. [12:09]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: That's the .com, the parking lot control company [12:10]
mircea_popescu a right you are. << looks much better [12:11]
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mircea_popescu !up gud [12:12]
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disident hi huys [12:17]
RagnarDanneskjol hiya dis [12:18]
BingoBoingo ;;later tell thestringpuller New high, 924 views over 459 persons per Wordpress stats [12:19]
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Apocalyptic %d [12:20]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 315045.65 in 353 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -83.23 [12:20]
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mircea_popescu wp stats are junk rly [12:45]
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pete_dushenski so i riffed off pankkake's node tutorial and inserted a few more instructions [19:45]
pete_dushenski i also managed to sort out the errors i was encountering in debian. [19:46]
pete_dushenski such skillz! [19:46]
thestringpuller [19:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32872 @ 0.00073946 = 24.3075 BTC [-] {2} [19:46]
pete_dushenski there are now less than 7000 active nodes :( [19:47]
The20YearIRCloud What's luke-jr do? [19:47]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: so it turns out deedbot got haxed. << preventing this was only $1200/mo indefinitely ;) [19:47]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski not even, different pentester. [19:47]
pete_dushenski o hm. [19:48]
Apocalyptic there are now less than 7000 active nodes :( // I don't know where you're getting your data from, but if it's solely based on it's wrong [19:48]
assbot Global Bitcoin nodes distribution - Bitnodes [19:48]
asciilifeform so back to telegraph ? [19:48]
Apocalyptic as these only publish publicly reachable nodes [19:48]
asciilifeform go hax telegraph. [19:48]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski you really should know better than taking bitcoin "foundation" shit at face value yo. [19:48]
pete_dushenski Apocalyptic: aic [19:49]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: how did i do that? [19:49]
* asciilifeform read the published script, sees nothing to verify installation of particular known-hygienic classical ver. of bitcoind [19:49]
mircea_popescu [19:50]
mircea_popescu right under "this project is powered by" [19:50]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: this i know! any suggestions for how to remedy this?? [19:50]
mircea_popescu nothing good short of running some decent nodes [19:51]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: and where might i find the scripts for this? [19:51]
mircea_popescu for running a node you mean ? [19:51]
pete_dushenski 0.9.3 is obviously dirt but how would one go about installing 0.6.x on a vps? [19:51]
pete_dushenski ya [19:51]
mircea_popescu well you get the code off the repository and compile it [19:52]
mircea_popescu or if you trust anyone, you get a binary from them [19:52]
pete_dushenski the instructions in my "guide" definitely need improvement. currently point people towards latest bitcoind [19:52]
pete_dushenski as per pankkake's script [19:52]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: right. [19:53]
mircea_popescu generally the people involved in bitcoin to this level kinda have the history, and a complete file of historical versions and so on. [19:53]
mircea_popescu i guess it's an interesting question, "what's the new guy to do". bunch of playing catchup it seems [19:53]
thestringpuller how did deedbot get hacked? [19:54]
asciilifeform n00b, as in any serious business, must apprentice to another. [19:54]
* pete_dushenski now accepting offers for binary of bitcoind 0.6.x for contravex guide. [19:54]
asciilifeform or make good friends with the nuts and bolts alone, for ages. [19:54]
mircea_popescu but actually his is a legitimate request. i guess im adding this to the "wanted maintainer for eulora binaries" thing : wanted maintainer for bitcoin binaries. [19:55]
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mircea_popescu anyone want to do a bunch of compiling and sign stuff ? [19:55]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: ketchup is fine. just have to have a little direction :) [19:55]
pete_dushenski danielpbarron or maybe bingoboingo? [19:56]
asciilifeform did somebody once put up a bounty for ms-dos build of bitcoind ('slip/ppp' over rs232 for netpipe, presumably) ? or did i dream this [19:56]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell pankkake hey listen, how much would you want to compile and sign a bunch of code ? specifically eulora codebase and proper bitcoind (.6-.7 versions) ? gentoo and whatever else you can stomach. [19:57]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform if they did i don't recall it [19:57]
asciilifeform must have been dream. [19:57]
mircea_popescu tbh the msdos stack bug carnival + bitcoin bug carnival would be one sad hell. [19:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] [PAID] 1.75950926 BTC to 29`438 shares, 5977 satoshi per share [20:02]
pete_dushenski following footnote added to "the node guide": Disclaimer! This Guide sets up the latest version of bitcoind, which is obviously a piece of fucking Bitcoin Fundation shit on a stick. This Guide will be updated with instructions on setting up bitcoind 0.6-0.7 asap. [20:02]
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bounce dos can talk ethernet, see "crynwr" packet drivers for one. [20:04]
mircea_popescu bounce does it talk internet well tho ? [20:04]
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thestringpuller ;;seen nubbins` [20:07]
gribble nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 0 hours, 12 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: ;o [20:07]
bounce noooo, not really. it's dos. [20:07]
mircea_popescu kinda my point. bitcoind makes a bunch of assumptions about what it can do to the internet [20:09]
asciilifeform dos can talk ethernet << you want something as hardware nonspecific as possible. [20:09]
asciilifeform hence rs232. [20:09]
mircea_popescu wasn't exactly "designed from the ground up with portability in mind" [20:09]
thestringpuller bitcoin is rather portable tho [20:09]
thestringpuller as opposed to say a video game... [20:10]
mircea_popescu a qt based video game ? no. [20:10]
asciilifeform if seriously considering this, note that you will need a number of nontrivial bolt-ons - ability to mount >2gb file system, for one thing [20:10]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what sonny, you're too good for volume swaps ? [20:10]
mircea_popescu INSERT NEXT DISK AND PRESS OK [20:11]
asciilifeform (easiest solution: forget file system in the 1st place, just use raw block device. and then you don't even need msdos for anything.) [20:11]
mircea_popescu you do, yes, inasmuch as afaik it's compiled on 16 bit with a bunch of strange as what's maxint. won't even be able to reference half the arrays becayse they smash various stacks [20:12]
asciilifeform communicate with net through slip, via one serial line; accept commands & return output through another; deal with key material through a third. [20:12]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: who said anything about 16bit. dos4gw! [20:13]
mircea_popescu well if that's how you're going to go about it, how about running deathtrack in an emulator while linux handles bitcoin and call it a msdos bitcoind ? [20:13]
mircea_popescu but dos4gw is NOT ms-dos is it. [20:13]
asciilifeform lol [20:13]
asciilifeform hence idea, just dispense with the msdos [20:13]
asciilifeform and run on metal. [20:14]
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mircea_popescu "my solution for fixing this guy's liver is to dispense with the guy" [20:14]
asciilifeform they shoot horses don't they (tm) [20:14]
mircea_popescu "the liver is fine, it's all that other shit sround it" [20:14]
bounce "something as hardware nonspecific as possible" meaning the shittiest and slowest option you can think of is a bit of a non-argument really. [20:15]
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asciilifeform obligatory: [20:15]
asciilifeform [20:15]
assbot Return Infinity - Pure64 [20:15]
mircea_popescu bounce i think stan's a bit of a masochist rly. [20:16]
asciilifeform (i have my own very similar widget, that i've used for 'number crunching' tasks where an os just wastes cycles) [20:16]
bounce you'd need a tcp/ip stack linked to your program meaning that as soon as it quits the box is off the 'net, but whatever it's configured to use it'll use. [20:16]
asciilifeform people act as if tcp/ip were a moon rocket [20:17]
asciilifeform that no one man could ever hope to repeat with own hands. [20:17]
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mircea_popescu but it is. and you can repeat with own hands, as a model [20:17]
mircea_popescu not as an actual moon rocket. [20:17]
bounce oh, you can implement a tcp/ip stack, apparently not too much work. making it work well, especially tcp, is going to be a bit more work though. [20:18]
mircea_popescu making it take off and become what EVERYONE uses is going to be a lot more work than that. [20:18]
bounce no idea how many man-hours or how it compares to, say, implementing a new compiler for some nicely convoluted language. [20:18]
mircea_popescu lisp never managed, for instance. neither did python. etc. [20:18]
Apocalyptic asciilifeform, a shame the website thought it would be a good idea to use javascript popups as links [20:19]
asciilifeform lol i never see popups [20:19]
Apocalyptic neither do I [20:19]
Apocalyptic I just see links like "javascript:popCentered('pure64-manual.html',%20'900',%20'450',%20'manual');" and makes me sad [20:19]
mircea_popescu bounce not nearly as hard as a compiler, if you mean a tight optimizing compiler. otherwise, rms has been writing compilers in a day and a half on emacs. [20:19]
asciilifeform for all i know, it formats your hdd if you're running win98 [20:19]
mircea_popescu they suck, but hey. [20:19]
asciilifeform or the like. [20:19]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic the notion of javascript:pop makes me sad. [20:20]
mircea_popescu did they implement javascript:sendushatemail(); ? [20:20]
asciilifeform anyway the link is because that fellow's site is the only place where you find everything you need to initialize an x86-64 all in one place. [20:21]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: lol i read "send-dush-hate-mail" [20:21]
mircea_popescu ate mail lol [20:22]
asciilifeform last version i read, disk i/o was implemented via 'pio' vs dma, so not optimal. but ought to suffice for just about any practical use. [20:22]
pete_dushenski with cheez. [20:22]
asciilifeform 'send u shate mail' [20:23]
asciilifeform ('shate' - past tense of 'shit' in world where shitting and eating are closely linked semantically more so than for us? as in 'ate') [20:23]
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mircea_popescu in english it's actually shit shat shat [20:24]
asciilifeform aye [20:24]
asciilifeform english loses. [20:25]
mircea_popescu eat ate ate is reasonably related. [20:25]
pete_dushenski [20:26]
assbot Antarctic ice at ALL TIME RECORD HIGH: We have more to learn, says boffin The Register [20:26]
pete_dushenski those poor, cute penguins! [20:27]
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The20YearIRCloud RentalStarter dividend announced - 0.00003100 per share [20:28]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski oh, that's how you say "we fucked up royally and lost any possible shred of crediblity" in government-scientistalese now ? "we have more to learn" ? [20:29]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: traditionally it's 'more studies needed' [20:29]
mircea_popescu this, incidentally, is why it's unwise for people aspiring to science to get involved in politics. [20:29]
asciilifeform (in usa) [20:29]
mircea_popescu if you support policy with your "findings" you ruin your career once those findings turn out to be not truth, but mere science. [20:29]
mircea_popescu because no, no study produced by ANY PERSON who ever produced a "global warming" piece of "research" can ever be used for any scientific purpose whatsoever. [20:30]
mircea_popescu they're dead, for that profession. [20:30]
bounce more of a problem with politics' unhealthy relationship with science-as-convenient-truth than a problem in science. though science has its share of problems. [20:31]
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mircea_popescu bounce not a problem of science, of course, but a problem of scientists, actual and aspiring. [20:31]
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asciilifeform if only it were just that one field, that was lysenkoized. [20:31]
mircea_popescu for instance, about 98% of english speaking people involved in earth studies just rendered themselves [20:31]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform matters not. the lord doesn't aim to kill sin, merely as many sinners as can get hands on. [20:32]
devthedev You're right mircea_popescu [20:32]
mircea_popescu why ty. [20:32]
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mircea_popescu get in the wot will you. [20:33]
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asciilifeform << mega-lol. chicom lifted the ancient turd. [20:34]
assbot | IT [20:34]
pete_dushenski [20:36]
assbot Antarctic ice at ALL TIME RECORD HIGH: We have more to learn, says boffin The Register Forums [20:36]
pete_dushenski "The Earth hasn't warmed for > 18 years and counting. CO2 meanwhile continues to increase. Ergo. No connection between CO2 and global temperature. CAGW is false." [20:37]
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devthedev Yeah, I'm not pro climate change [20:37]
mircea_popescu am i the only one who is amused by the strict similarity between the "o we know how climate works ; listen to us to fix what's broken with earth's industry" of these muppets and the "o, we know how hardware will work in the future ; listen ot us to fix what's broken with bitcoin" of the BF sponsored muppets ? [20:37]
thestringpuller [20:37]
assbot truthermn2 comments on A moment of silence please... [20:37]
mircea_popescu it seems the exact same sort of entirely broken, pseudoscientific, narcissistic gung-ho idiocy [20:38]
bounce the google translation contains a typical english grammar error (it's instead of its). how chinesely interesting. [20:38]
mike_c ;;seen diana_coman [20:39]
gribble diana_coman was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 1 hour, 50 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: I'm to blame for Sweete__ being here, since he pm-ed me about trading and I asked him why wasn't he in here if he was a trader [20:39]
devthedev - Website contains prohibited File Sharing content. [20:39]
mircea_popescu lolwut ?! [20:40]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: it's exactly that parallel: both teams of tards belong to a religion sans eglise [20:40]
mircea_popescu then zeke is all "o, not possible to be stooges". duh. what else are they ? [20:40]
devthedev mircea_popescu: It's on the school's blacklist. [20:40]
mircea_popescu convenient idiots ? tyvm, it's exactly anderpopolous' line. "i'm not really shilling, i'm just stupid. buy my shit!" [20:41]
thestringpuller I can't write software so I wrote a book! [20:41]
asciilifeform as i understand, a genuine 'useful idiot' by definition has to act unwittingly [20:41]
Apocalyptic mircea_popescu, like Karpeles and the like [20:41]
asciilifeform otherwise he's just 'useful' (while possibly also, 'idiot') [20:42]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's such bs. you know how the soviets worked, right ? all the scum reporting to the nkvd "had to", right ? [20:42]
mircea_popescu they weren't really aware what it is they're doing, right ? [20:42]
asciilifeform lol [20:42]
asciilifeform those aren't 'useful idiots' thought [20:42]
mircea_popescu half of leningrad died in one night because a bunch of people "weren't really doing" what they were doing. [20:42]
asciilifeform those are 'useful' [20:42]
mircea_popescu laissez svp. [20:42]
asciilifeform [20:43]
assbot Logged on 25-03-2014 20:41:17; asciilifeform: Officially, all Soviet representatives regard these parasites with touching feelings of friendship, but privately they call them 'shit-eaters' ('govnoed'). It is difficult to say where this expression originated, but it is truly the only name they deserve. The use of this word has become so firmly entrenched in Soviet embassies that it is impossible to imagine any other name for these [20:43]
mircea_popescu the female ability to reclassify rape as consensual and consensual as rape and to negotiate her own presence in the circumstances of her being does exactly jack shit for any discussion of reality. [20:43]
mircea_popescu which is why business has the concept of "knew or should have known". cuz it makes exactly no difference whether he "actually" knew. [20:44]
asciilifeform for purposes of chumpatronic engineering, it does indeed matter whether the chump needs a leash, coaxing, or mere suggestion to jump into the hopper. [20:44]
mircea_popescu these aren't distinguishable in the field. the nominal distinction follows mood or at best tradition. [20:45]
mircea_popescu objective difference there isn't. [20:45]
asciilifeform makes a difference what part of his hindbrain you pwned to get him to walk the plank [20:45]
asciilifeform e.g., lust, sloth, avarice [20:45]
pete_dushenski << 0.6-0.7 zip and tar files are here, just unsure how to modify pankkake's script with them… [20:46]
assbot Releases bitcoin/bitcoin GitHub [20:46]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform these are also not pure categories in nature. their distinction follows tradition [20:46]
asciilifeform sure. [20:46]
asciilifeform but engineer must live with brute abstractions at times. [20:47]
mircea_popescu no argument, but let's not forget they aren't in the world. [20:47]
asciilifeform 'map is not territory, but the territory does not fit in your glove compartment.' [20:47]
mircea_popescu quite. [20:47]
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thestringpuller [20:49]
assbot Bitcoin history: The BearWhale of 2012 : Bitcoin [20:49]
asciilifeform !s bot rape [20:50]
assbot 7 results for 'bot rape' : [20:50]
asciilifeform ^ obligatory [20:50]
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asciilifeform << phun [20:56]
assbot ClubOrlov: Ebola and the Five Stages of Collapse [20:56]
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mircea_popescu the problem with drinking the coolaid and starting to perceive yourself as "of a field" is that you end up with this obligatory slag. [20:57]
mircea_popescu "o, x is in the news , i gotta write about it then1" [20:57]
mircea_popescu soon enough all the forced writing kills your spark and then you're dead. [20:57]
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thestringpuller ;;calc 2000000 / 11 [20:59]
gribble 181818.181818 [20:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00073931 = 18.4828 BTC [-] {4} [20:59]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: yup, no spark, no life. [20:59]
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pete_dushenski and with that, ima check y'all later! [21:00]
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mircea_popescu it's one thing doing news pieces because that's the news. but people writing blogs aren't doing newspieces, they're doing editorial, and the news burnout is a century old, well known and documented mode of failure for editors. [21:00]
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bounce feeding random bits to that vaikan thingy makes me lose 2:1. seems that giving the thing a pass option gives it an unfair advantage. [21:01]
thestringpuller ;;ticker [21:01]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 356.03, Best ask: 357.19, Bid-ask spread: 1.16000, Last trade: 356.03, 24 hour volume: 31630.34152670, 24 hour low: 349.0, 24 hour high: 380.94, 24 hour vwap: 364.911597788 [21:01]
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* asciilifeform never met an apocalyptic hypothetical megadeath that herr orlov doesn't love. [21:02]
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thickasthieves [21:06]
assbot Important step towards separating our bitcoin biz from /SecondMarket. The name. [21:06]
thickasthieves "Invest. Build. Grow." [21:06]
thickasthieves Digital Currency Group [21:06]
mike_c the name is hardly enough barry. where's the logo? [21:07]
bounce anthropomorphic sugarcubes! with chainsaws! [21:09]
bounce oh wait, that's for something else. n'mind. [21:09]
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thickasthieves he went with mpex style logo [21:12]
assbot DIGITAL CURRENCY GROUP - Reviews & Brand Information - SECONDMARKET HOLDINGS, INC. New York, NY - Serial Number: 86316071 [21:12]
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mircea_popescu lmao [21:14]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform: (put a bullet through a long-overdue zombie) << zombie being what, people running gentoo through an emulator on windows ? [21:18]
mircea_popescu !up princessnell [21:18]
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mircea_popescu heh wrong one [21:19]
mircea_popescu !up princessnell_ [21:19]
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princessnell_ ty [21:19]
princessnell_ i have a transcript of the andreas testimony [21:19]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: so it turns out deedbot got haxed. << deets? << someone put a random deed up there, i linked it above the comment. [21:19]
mircea_popescu princessnell_ the one he published or the one he acutally gave ? [21:19]
princessnell_ the whole thing: his opening statements and Q&A [21:20]
mircea_popescu cool. summarize, comment and submit. [21:20]
mircea_popescu add the full minutes as an add-on file to be linked from your article for the perennially curious [21:21]
mike_c i linked it above the comment. << that link 404'd for me. [21:21]
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mircea_popescu mike_c well i guess it got deleted meanwhile. it just said "owned like a pony" or something [21:22]
mircea_popescu thickasthieves: i suppose it's possible for bitcoin to be worth more than all the transactable equity in the world <<< this is actually one of the largest, most interesting questions in bitcoin finance. [21:23]
mircea_popescu it doesn't have a good answer. on one hand, fiat currency can never meet the total asset value, for very well understood reasons. [21:23]
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mircea_popescu superficially, if one thinks btc is a drop-in replacement for fiat (which it isn't, just like car isn't exactly a drop in replacement for tricycle) one'd expect the same to hold [21:24]
mircea_popescu however, because bitcoin will be hoarded in general and transacted rarely, it is quite possible for there to appear a new macroeconomics equation : [21:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60598 @ 0.00073906 = 44.7856 BTC [-] {2} [21:24]
mircea_popescu (hoarded btc) + traded btc = traded property + (hoarded property) [21:24]
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mircea_popescu this is perhaps going to be the one thing economists of the future will be trying to keep in balance. [21:24]
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BingoBoingo [21:25]
assbot MMA Fighter Live-Tweets Police Standoff While Holed Up In House [21:25]
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mircea_popescu ;;later tell wywialm there's one for you : [21:27]
gribble The operation succeeded. [21:27]
assbot Logged on 10-10-2014 18:21:00; mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: i suppose it's possible for bitcoin to be worth more than all the transactable equity in the world <<< this is actually one of the largest, most interesting questions in bitcoin finance. [21:27]
bounce ``Patrick Murck of the Bitcoin Foundation stated that "the people that do this stuff should burn in hell" and they are working to stop Bitcoin from being used for illicit activity.'' -- clowns be clownin' [21:28]
mircea_popescu lol what's he going to say. [21:28]
mircea_popescu "fuck you and get used to making the laws you can enforce as opposed to making the laws your delusions require" ? [21:29]
mircea_popescu not his line. [21:29]
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bounce "not condone" yadda yadda would've been plenty [21:29]
mircea_popescu amusingly, bitcoin is working fro mstopping murck &co's illicit activities. [21:30]
mircea_popescu not particularly curious as to how that confrontation's gonna end out. seen too many tards try to spit up. [21:30]
bounce oh it's not really a surprise, but his is supposedly a PR club, not a policing club. not smart to get mired in that swamp. [21:31]
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mircea_popescu since when did the us agents do the smart thing ? [21:32]
mircea_popescu they've already won the war on drugs, the war on poverty and the war on terrorism. [21:32]
mircea_popescu fourth's a charm. [21:32]
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bounce oh yes ticker tape parades any day now [21:32]
mircea_popescu o which reminds me, did the doom zerohedge announced as a given manifest in the fx markets yet ? [21:32]
mircea_popescu that site's so funny, it's been declaring the world ends tomorrow so convincingly and for so long by now its only audience are people who actually factually believe the world ends tomorrow, each and every day. so there's this palpable atmosphere of [21:33]
mircea_popescu "nigga please, the world ? it's so ended already!" [21:33]
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mats_cd03 [21:36]
assbot security - Why is this commit that sets the RSA public exponent to 1 problematic? - Stack Overflow [21:36]
mats_cd03 interesting to me, since i know about zero things re: rsa. [21:37]
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bounce it's been ages but an exponent of one isn't a great idea, no. they shipped with that? oops. (could see it as another reason why you don't implement crypto yourself; you use a well-vetted library, as in written by cryptographers and then read by other cryptographers) [21:42]
mircea_popescu bounce except this would meet the definition of "well vetted" as commonly deployed. [21:42]
mircea_popescu you are in fact better off using homebrew than "well vetted", inasmuch as the western world is in denial about exactly what "well vetted" means as well as what "working towards stopping use for illicit activity" means [21:43]
thestringpuller remember that point you brought up about someone reading a newspaper article about a field they are well versed in. That person says, "Wow holes everywhere" etc. Then he moves to article from field he is less familiar with and just agrees with it? [21:43]
thestringpuller I think this was you mircea_popescu no? [21:43]
mircea_popescu so no, i'd trust anything nist/ieee/etc certified a lot less than i'd trust random shit. [21:43]
mats_cd03 its all relative, i suppose. [21:44]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller possibly i brought it up here, but otherwise it's old scool. [21:44]
thestringpuller so if this is the case how is the n00b to even decide? [21:44]
mircea_popescu mats_cd03 you know how if you install wordpress you're supposed to change the pre-generated salt to something ? [21:44]
penguirker New blog post: [21:44]
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mircea_popescu in cryptography, every constant's a salt. you're well advised to change ALL constants [21:44]
mats_cd03 i don't know anything about the web [21:44]
mircea_popescu if the code stops working you shouldn't have been using it in the first place [21:45]
mircea_popescu mp best practices of crypto, volume I (r) [21:45]
mats_cd03 i think i might see schneier again sometime in the near future [21:46]
mats_cd03 have any questions you want answered? [21:46]
mircea_popescu what/how much they paid him, but he won't answer that one. [21:46]
mats_cd03 besides, you know, 'whats your handler's name' [21:46]
mats_cd03 oh, you beat me to it. [21:46]
rithm what's the meaning of life other than 42? [21:46]
mircea_popescu his handler's name is not as hard to infer. [21:47]
mircea_popescu there's not that many handlers, they drive cars, they have wives, it's a solved problem. [21:47]
thestringpuller in the future we will have nanomachines that prevent us from physically disclosing our handler. that will be a scary time. [21:47]
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bounce uhm. looks like I forgot to take notes last time I had beef with some of what he was saying and forgot to keep up in the meantime. oh well. [21:49]
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chetty in the future we will have nanomachines that prevent us from physically disclosing our handler. that will be a scary time.//pls tell me at least a day ahead of this [21:50]
mircea_popescu bounce this is why keeping a blog is so important [21:50]
mircea_popescu i'd lose 90% of my shit if i didn't write it down [21:50]
bounce oh I have my notes, just didn't jot that one down [21:50]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: like that time the eulora gameplay post was almsot lost forever? [21:54]
thestringpuller ;) [21:54]
mircea_popescu yeah srsly. [21:55]
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assbot SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds [21:58]
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mats_cd03 from an old issue, titled 'once upon a free()' [22:07]
assbot .:: Phrack Magazine ::. [22:07]
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BingoBoingo ;;later tell pete_dushenski You know there's another guide. Paid for rather than wrote this one. [22:20]
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assbot Building Bitcoin 0.7.2 on OpenBSD | Bingo Blog [22:20]
BingoBoingo [22:22]
assbot Poor punctuation leads to Windows shell vulnerability | Ars Technica [22:22]
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bounce those wily belgians trying to make a name for themselves in time-honoured fashion: "sound scary? read on!" [22:31]
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rithm oh yeah i read about ^ earlier [22:37]
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assbot Hospitalist Abusing Copy and Paste...In Paper Charts - Medical Satire - GomerBlog [22:54]
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BingoBoingo << “Adults are bigger and furrier than kids, so it was simple,” explained Westchester Medical Center CEO James Piccadilly. “Bears are bigger and furrier than dogs.” [22:55]
assbot Hospital Pilots Pet Therapy with Black Bears, Grizzlies - Medical Satire - GomerBlog [22:55]
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devthedev Digital Currency Group, interesting. [23:01]
mike_c it's like secondmarket, but different. [23:02]
mats_cd03 << heh. sued the IRS for RICO violations [23:03]
mats_cd03 quite clever IMO, but no dice. sovereign immunity. [23:03]
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The20YearIRCloud Well, we closed on property #10 today [23:37]
The20YearIRCloud Once we're at 100% occupancy we'll be almost right at $10k/mo in revenues [23:38]
mike_c decent profit margins? [23:39]
kakobrekla great dividend roi [23:39]
kakobrekla !t h rent [23:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00458100 / 0.00472061 / 0.00489499 (9 shares, 0.04248546 BTC), 7D: 0.00400000 / 0.00424006 / 0.00529752 (1978 shares, 8.38684071 BTC), 30D: 0.00383331 / 0.00644294 / 0.00750000 (13985 shares, 90.10447998 BTC) [23:39]
kakobrekla seems to be stuck to 0.45 no matter what btc or you do or is it just me [23:40]
kakobrekla 0.0045 even [23:40]
The20YearIRCloud 70% mike_c [23:40]
The20YearIRCloud Although that's gonna go down as we lever, but as of property #10, our costs are a little under 30% of revenues [23:41]
kakobrekla (im just thinking re your idea of being a hedge) [23:41]
mike_c kakobrekla: yeah for last 5 months. [23:41]
The20YearIRCloud kakobrekla: you're right, and i've been buying about as much as I can [23:41]
The20YearIRCloud The property I just got is a smoking deal. $30k purchase, about $2k in rehab if that, will bring in $1050/mo rented with about $300/mo in costs (Taxes, insurance, repairs) [23:42]
kakobrekla id call fire department on smoking property [23:42]
kakobrekla quick [23:42]
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The20YearIRCloud lol [23:43]
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cazalla ;;later tell princessnell just missed you, was sleeping [23:51]
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devthedev Good evening everyone [23:53]
cazalla morning [23:53]
devthedev Hey cazalla [23:54]
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