Forum logs for 10 Nov 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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jurov http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTgzMjg , also another dude (Colin Watson) has quit [00:07]
assbot [Phoronix] Joey Hess Resigns From Debian, Unhappy With How It's Changed [00:07]
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jurov http://debianfork.org/ [00:09]
assbot Roll up your sleeves, we may need to fork Debian. [00:09]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00056664 = 2.6632 BTC [+] [00:13]
ben_vulpes wow mpoe on sale! [00:13]
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jurov ;;seen adlai [00:27]
gribble adlai was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 12 hours, 28 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: * Adlai waits on the go [00:27]
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mircea_popescu debian certainly went to shit since sarge. [00:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8271 @ 0.00056662 = 4.6865 BTC [-] [00:30]
saifedean good day gentlemen [00:34]
mircea_popescu hello! [00:35]
saifedean mo, i did email you the dissertation the other day, did you get it? [00:35]
mircea_popescu i did. [00:35]
saifedean great, just making sure [00:35]
mircea_popescu i didn;'t get around to reading it yet, but its in the pile. [00:35]
saifedean no worries, [00:36]
Naphex http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/11/silk-road-other-tor-darknet-sites-may-have-been-decloaked-through-ddos/ lmao! [00:36]
assbot Silk Road, other Tor “darknet” sites may have been “decloaked” through DDoS | Ars Technica [00:36]
mircea_popescu i still think you should publish it. ever seen http://trilema.com/2014/a-conceit-or-the-importance-of-blogging/ ? [00:36]
assbot A conceit, or the importance of blogging pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [00:36]
saifedean so, mp, are you going to be in Buenos Aires January/Feb? I might be popping by for a week or so [00:36]
Naphex "es, hello, Internet supervillain here," nachash, said that his server—a virtual private server running the German hosting service Hetzner—was initially hit by what he believed was a denial of service attack in Augus' [00:36]
mircea_popescu Naphex maybe they were decloaked through sexism. [00:37]
mircea_popescu saifedean yes. for that matter, the bitcoin conference is in april. [00:37]
mircea_popescu $conference [00:37]
empyex mircea_popescu: Next conference starts in 5 months and 8 days. Estimated cost today: 3.74478709 BTC (Details: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ ) [00:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14146 @ 0.00056652 = 8.014 BTC [-] [00:38]
saifedean much as i'd love to be in the conference, april might be tough, especially as i'm so goddamn far, but i'll let you know if i manage to work out jan/feb [00:39]
saifedean but if you like buenos aires and istanbul, from what i gather from your blog, you will absolutely love beirut... who's like istanbul's little prettier sister [00:39]
mircea_popescu yes. [00:40]
mircea_popescu problem being she hangs out with all these bikers. [00:40]
mircea_popescu Naphex on a related note, i really don't get all these derps going "oh you know what ? i'll run a hertzner vm through this magic layer. presto, totally anon!" [00:43]
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saifedean you lay down the law and the bikers disappear, mp... just book your ticket [00:48]
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ben_vulpes ;;ident saifedean [01:10]
gribble Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead. [01:10]
mircea_popescu lol [01:10]
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JorgePasada Anyone have any good reading on all the stuff that's been happening with tor because of this latest raid thing? [01:15]
dub i think the learning is (or was since years ago) don't use tor [01:18]
JorgePasada Yeah, not for anything secure obviously, but you can still learn from stuff like this I feel [01:19]
dub you can learn not to do anything on a network that you wouldnt be happy with obama reading [01:21]
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ben_vulpes http://www.entropykey.co.uk/ << more entropy hardware, ARM micros included! [01:22]
assbot Simtec Electronics Entropy Key: USB True Random Number Generator [01:22]
dub oh my god the new firefox ui is terrible [01:23]
dub they need to share that good weed around [01:23]
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mircea_popescu JorgePasada maybe read all the disparate stuff, publish a digest. [02:20]
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JorgePasada mircea_popescu: Yeah I'm just trying to learn. Found a couple good things via hacker news. [02:22]
JorgePasada Tor sucks though, you almost have to assume either your entrance or exit node (or worse, both) are compromised these days. [02:23]
cazalla scoopbot, wru [02:24]
mats_cd03 http://youtu.be/bntfUA6TmLs [02:28]
assbot MONSTER Energy drinks are the work of SATAN!!! - YouTube [02:28]
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ben_vulpes how dumb would it be to bisect the git source history to find the unwedging commit? [02:40]
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mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/dear-guardian-stop-being-retarded/ << last year "everybody" knew better. [02:45]
assbot Dear Guardian : stop being retarded. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [02:45]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes not dumb at all. [02:45]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell peterl yeah listen, this 50% uptime business is for the dogs. [02:46]
gribble The operation succeeded. [02:46]
ben_vulpes does anyone have a node with high throughput to which they'd be willing to whitelist my connections [02:47]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes if you actually have the blockchain by very far the best way to do this is stage a local environment and feed the experimental instance through some sort of loopback [02:49]
ben_vulpes indeed. [02:51]
mircea_popescu you saying you don't have it ? [02:52]
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ben_vulpes i've one sitting on this os x machine. [02:53]
ben_vulpes i'm digging through the logs of our conversation about copying blockchains around. [02:54]
ben_vulpes *to find our conversation* [02:54]
ben_vulpes basically i want to know if uploading my os x 8.6 blockchain to my debian testing machine is worth the time [02:57]
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mircea_popescu well it's worth the time in the sense that not having the 30gb in question wherever your favourite staging environment is is a major handicap. [02:59]
mircea_popescu if you prefer working locally then not worth it. if you generally use that machine/dc, then worth it. [03:00]
ben_vulpes right, totally on the same page there. [03:00]
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ben_vulpes i'm trying to estimate if the transfer time for my os x blockchain is worth the risk of it simply not working. [03:01]
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mircea_popescu inasmuch as it's the blockchain it will HAVE To work. or bust. [03:02]
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oglafbot http://oglaf.com/sharpshooter/ [03:26]
assbot Sharpshooter [03:26]
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thestringpuller !t m s.mpoe [03:44]
assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00055831 / 0.00056471 / 0.00058756 (828982 shares, 468.14 BTC), 7D: 0.00055831 / 0.00067039 / 0.00076965 (3873559 shares, 2,596.82 BTC), 30D: 0.00055831 / 0.00073576 / 0.00081111 (23823364 shares, 17,528.32 BTC) [03:44]
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assbot Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00056708 BTC [+] [03:44]
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mircea_popescu hgmm, was the last oglaf drawn by an intern ? [03:53]
mircea_popescu drunk trudy ? 5 minute sketch ? [03:53]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27287 @ 0.00064573 = 17.62 BTC [+] {2} [04:51]
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asciilifeform you know, incase you'd like to have a binary that isn't bloated with debug symbols << 'strip bitcoind' >> solved [04:57]
asciilifeform whoever wants to add this as a patch - can [04:58]
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asciilifeform has anyone downloaded the full chain with a .5/.6/.7/.8/.9 << 0.8, yes [05:01]
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danielpbarron i've got an up-to-date chain on 0.7.2 [05:04]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: entropy key << gadget was discussed here many times. appears to be permanently unavailable (and closed-source.) [05:05]
asciilifeform tor compromise through filled circuit ddos << this is a 'classic', described in academic papers. and i can say for a fact that the 'machine' is still turned on. just last night had a tor client fail to form a circuit, for the first time in many years of semi-regular use. [05:06]
* asciilifeform uses tor for non-critical applications [05:06]
asciilifeform http://i.imgur.com/zSaUuKQ.gif [05:15]
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ben_vulpes asciilifeform: nsa.gif << top kek [05:18]
scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/pizza-hut-computers-used-to-mine-bitcoin-in-2013/ [05:23]
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asciilifeform pizza hut << this distinguishes it from every other cattle farm where the cattle get to use computers, precisely how? [05:26]
mircea_popescu ;;seen mike_c [05:31]
gribble mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 5 hours, 18 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: quite the empire brewing. [05:31]
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mike_c i'm around [05:35]
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mircea_popescu ah nice. [05:36]
mircea_popescu i luv the summoning capabilities of teh log. [05:37]
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cazalla asciilifeform, sunday is a slow day, whaddaya want from me? [05:49]
cazalla i mean, why spend $20-$30 on a pizza when you can get one from pizza hut on tight ass tuesday for $3.95! [05:50]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14737 @ 0.00064657 = 9.5285 BTC [+] [05:58]
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asciilifeform pizza hut << incidentally, if you tally up an upper bound for how much could have been mined ('up to 60 stores', let's say a few machines in each) - it ought to have sufficed for... a couple of pizzas. [06:05]
asciilifeform non-asic mining is 'dead as dodo', and certainly was in 2013. [06:06]
asciilifeform at least, most of it [06:06]
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ben_vulpes every hash is sacred [06:17]
asciilifeform every hash is needed, in your neighbourhood! [06:17]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00064966 = 6.3667 BTC [+] [06:19]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00064995 = 20.051 BTC [+] [06:29]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18941 @ 0.00065206 = 12.3507 BTC [+] {2} [06:32]
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Vexual I'm trying to get my head around this taxation stuff [06:38]
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ben_vulpes speak further on thy confusion, Vexual [06:39]
Vexual well it's internet powered to be sure [06:39]
Vexual so, I'm porndering the notion "Bitcoin realised" [06:42]
Vexual I suppose there are no other qualifiers on purpose [06:43]
Vexual oh it's good [06:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18650 @ 0.00064966 = 12.1162 BTC [-] [06:51]
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ben_vulpes http://christophe.rhodes.io/notes/blog/posts/2014/reproducible_builds_-_a_month_ahead_of_schedule/ << tiny brain blown [06:57]
assbot reproducible builds - a month ahead of schedule [06:57]
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ben_vulpes !up Vexual [07:05]
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ben_vulpes bitcoin realized means more or less "profit" [07:05]
Vexual Yeah, forever profits? [07:05]
ben_vulpes whaddaya mean "forever"? [07:06]
Vexual since forever [07:06]
Vexual 2009 [07:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00065245 = 6.7202 BTC [+] [07:09]
Vexual or perhaps you pay where you think some other entity might lay claim [07:09]
ben_vulpes well pre 2015 bitcoin barely matters in the world at large [07:09]
Vexual yes i see [07:12]
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cazalla "If bitcoin were allowed to co-­‐exist as “legal tender” it could also create a situation where under Gresham’s Law “Bad money drives out good”. In such a scenario, bad currency (bitcoin) would be used and good currency (US Dollar) would be hoarded, creating greater economic instability." [07:23]
cazalla hoarding usd, nice one [07:23]
Vexual i read about that gut that printed $200 million, he hoarded it [07:26]
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Vexual cut a deal to keep his shed-load off the streets [07:27]
Vexual it's in gq [07:29]
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RetroUPriser How's it going? I was going to see if mircea_popescu was active and willing to play a game of chess, [07:46]
BingoBoingo Ah [07:48]
BingoBoingo Things are going [07:49]
ben_vulpes RetroUPriser: you may get a game out of BingoBoingo [07:49]
BingoBoingo Nah, I'm not drunk enough to chess tonight. [07:49]
RetroUPriser I've played him before [07:49]
RetroUPriser and that seems like the typical answer [07:49]
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scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/professor-bitcorn-talks-top-ten-risks-associated-with-bitcoin/ [08:07]
cazalla ooh knocked glass off table onto open case.. lucky i drank the water in it just a few minutes ago [08:09]
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mircea_popescu http://ask.fm/Mircea_Popescu/answer/122233688968 < ok who was the smartass ? [08:24]
mircea_popescu hoarding usd, nice one << such lmao. [08:26]
mircea_popescu "let us make claims backwards! it's almost like science!" [08:26]
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decimation ben_vulpes: re: sbcl < neat link thanks [08:49]
decimation hoarding usd << lol. actually there's a great deal of certainty about the dollar, it's just that the certainty is that there is no fixed number of dollars, never has been, never will be [08:53]
decimation "Under the Bitcoin model, those who create the algorithm, protocol, manage the transactional ledger and mine virtual currencies would become the new central bankers, controlling a monetary basis, an immense power and responsibility." << lol yeah that's a 'risk' [08:54]
decimation the whole reason bitcoin is even mildly compelling is because those 'central bankers' who are currently 'controlling money' are fucking things up royally [08:56]
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ben_vulpes well that was odd. [09:04]
decimation kicked? [09:07]
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BingoBoingo http://bitcoinmagazine.com/17439/bitcoin-we-are-all-the-blockchain/ written by this guy http://www.27bslash6.com/p2p2.html [09:13]
ben_vulpes "However, the real value of Bitcoin is not reaped at an individual level." << he's spot on, though - it's about raping at a collective level [09:19]
ben_vulpes actually i'm noping the fuck out of this article. [09:21]
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mircea_popescu who the fuck are all these derps lmao. [10:23]
mircea_popescu seems timmy swanson was just the tip of the shitberg. [10:23]
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mircea_popescu by the way, you know how to use the tools here ? like say [20:07]
mircea_popescu !s taleb [20:07]
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saifedean ah, no i don't... i've been trying to learn the ropes [20:08]
saifedean thanks for that [20:08]
mircea_popescu ah i got something for you here, just gimme a minuite [20:09]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2014#748585 << this is the delivery of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2014#746817 [20:10]
assbot Logged on 07-07-2014 23:30:49; sexysaffron: I have a video delivery! [20:10]
assbot Logged on 06-07-2014 23:40:36; mircea_popescu: "Here's me begging you Mr Taleb!" or something [20:10]
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saifedean lol, i think i saw this on pete's blog before... [20:13]
mircea_popescu ah ok then [20:13]
saifedean compelling, i must say, but last time i spoke to taleb he wasn't all that interested in bitcoin. i mean, he finds it interesting to a point, but not to the point of healthy obsession and complete disregard of everything else that we share [20:14]
mircea_popescu yeah, and the reason is he's not yet met anyone that groks it fully, so as to answer objection properly. [20:15]
mircea_popescu or at least, that was my case, in 2011 [20:15]
saifedean is that when you first started on the righteous path? [20:17]
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mircea_popescu yeah. [20:17]
mircea_popescu ;;google noob mp or how it all begun [20:17]
gribble "At civilization's end", an MP Megacampaign - Page 2 - Paradox ...: ; Wargame Talk #15: Modding Has Begun and Clash of the Clans 3 ...: ; Battlefield 4: Official Multiplayer Launch Trailer - YouTube: (1 more message) [20:17]
mircea_popescu jesus google... [20:17]
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mircea_popescu saifedean for my own curiosity, google that string (no quotes) see what pops up ? [20:18]
TomServo http://trilema.com/2013/noob-mp-or-how-it-all-began/ [20:18]
assbot Noob MP, or how it all began pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [20:18]
saifedean may i ask what did you do in the pre-bitcoin era? In the Bezzle Age? [20:18]
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mircea_popescu i was retired. [20:19]
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mircea_popescu getting slowly bored to death in costa rica. [20:20]
saifedean i got a bunch of gaming forum posts, nothing to do with you [20:20]
mircea_popescu myeah. [20:20]
saifedean very nice, retirement is underrated. the main appeal of academia for me is that it is a halfway house to retirement [20:20]
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mircea_popescu retirement is way overrated. i tell you, i thought it was going to be "the life" for the rest of my life. http://trilema.com/2011/nsfw-gradina-edenului/ [20:21]
assbot NSFW Gradina Edenului pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [20:21]
mircea_popescu turns out, it can keep the sane man about three years. [20:21]
saifedean it sure as hell beats working in the world of bezzle, a slave-like existence producing nothing and wasting your life in a worthless pissing contest whose first prize is the ability to kiss a bigger ass [20:27]
thestringpuller anyone good with regex? [20:27]
undata saifedean: start a business you weenie :p [20:27]
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mircea_popescu either that or start shooting people. [20:27]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller moderately, but don't ask to ask. [20:28]
thestringpuller i don't want to bother anyone with the pain that is regex ~_~ [20:28]
undata thestringpuller: you may find this helpful http://www.regexr.com/ [20:28]
assbot RegExr: Learn, Build, & Test RegEx [20:28]
thestringpuller thanks undata [20:28]
undata yw [20:29]
thestringpuller found one good example [20:29]
thestringpuller Regex, yet another reason I hate strings. [20:29]
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mircea_popescu o.O [20:31]
saifedean undata & mp, i'm actually thinking of starting a grill restaurant... to be named the honey badger grill, bitcoin preferred [20:35]
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mircea_popescu now why would you do that ? [20:36]
thestringpuller saifedean: i am working on a crypto bakery lol [20:37]
saifedean coz i really enjoy grilling, i'm very good at it, people really like my steaks and i could get them to pay me good money to eat it if i put my head to make it good... sounds to me like a better way of spending your life than any bezzle career [20:37]
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undata I like bitcoin and grilled food; I dunno about the honey badger thing [20:39]
chetty yeah but where does the name come from? sounds too much like honey pot, imo [20:39]
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undata it's just some meme [20:39]
mircea_popescu saifedean maybe. i am also very good at cooking, people love my stuff and i could definitely get them to pay. [20:39]
mircea_popescu the problem is this doesn't scale. [20:39]
saifedean because honey badger doesn't give a shit, and because bitcoin is the honey badger of money [20:40]
saifedean why the hell would i want to scale? if i wanted to scale i'd join mcdonalds for a rewarding career and an early grave [20:40]
chetty wolverine [20:40]
saifedean if i could run a single operation very well, it could make enough income to allow me to live very well, while spending my days doing something i enjoy [20:41]
chetty sounds like a little piece of heaven there saifedean [20:41]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: if it's a pet, why would you want it to scale? restaurants are cool because you get free food and a place to "hang out" [20:42]
saifedean the idea of being my own boss, and to only be the boss of a few people is ideal. easily beats having to deal with hundreds of idiots in a large operatoin and suffer their idiocy [20:42]
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mircea_popescu thestringpuller saifedean i am familiar with your idea of restaurants. these work as a retirement ploy by old merchants, who have an immense pile of gold in the basement, a pretty wife and don't give a shit about what may come, they juist want people to hang out and chat with. [20:44]
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mircea_popescu this model works extremely well if one has the basement (not just the gold, but also the many travel stories in the basement of their head) [20:44]
mircea_popescu it works extremely poorly if one merely copies the visible parts of the institution. [20:44]
ben_vulpes http://btc2mysql.com/ [20:45]
assbot BTC2MySQL [20:45]
ben_vulpes interdasting tool [20:45]
saifedean i definitely have the travel stories and the pretty wife and zero shits are given about what may come... most my days are a struggle to secure excellent quality food, a struggle which will only be resolved conclusively once i have my entire operation [20:45]
ben_vulpes have not derped with yet [20:46]
ben_vulpes but what are the engineering arguments for an embedded kv store against which one cannot query well if at all vs. a embedded sql store? [20:46]
undata ahemahem sqlite [20:46]
undata but #nodeps, right? [20:47]
saifedean the way i see it, bitcoin will kill pretty much all the world of bezzle, as i'm sure you folk agree, and the only jobs that will thrive in th future are those that involve actually doing something useful for other people which others appreciate and are happy to pay for. there are few things in life people appreciate better than a well-cooked steak, and few things in life that are done badly as often [20:47]
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undata saifedean: a word of caution; businesses always look simple when looking from outside [20:48]
undata my god 4 walls and a door and I'm there [20:48]
saifedean undata that's why i'm still researching and thinking of this while keeping my academic job [20:50]
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mircea_popescu a struggle to secure excellent quality food << can you go into detail ? [20:51]
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saifedean well, why else did you move to argentina but for the excellent grass-fed beef? [20:52]
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mircea_popescu they eat a lot of beef in beirut ? [20:52]
mircea_popescu you know, i've never had any decent beef, not in cairo, not in luxor, not even in lebanon. [20:52]
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saifedean once you've had a proper well-cooked steak, any other day of your life will be ruined if you venture into a McDonald's or some other Bezzle Institution [20:52]
mircea_popescu your meat sucks. it's not even how you cook it. it fucking sucks. [20:52]
mircea_popescu saifedean have you had an argentine steak ? [20:53]
saifedean in lebanon beef isn't very good, but the lamb is excellent, and it is grass-fed [20:53]
mircea_popescu lamb is splendid absolutely. [20:53]
mircea_popescu i mostly ate lamb and chicken over my time among the no-pok-people. [20:53]
mircea_popescu ended up eating a whole fucking pick in oradea on my way back [20:53]
saifedean my best friend is half-argentinian and half lebanese, and we've been talking about this restaurant together for years, he's brought excellent argentine beef over [20:54]
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mircea_popescu ah. the stuff that you eat like salmon, practically ? half raw in the middle ? [20:54]
mircea_popescu i mean. of the inch thickness, a half inch in the middle is barely warm. [20:54]
saifedean there are many many things that make a good steak, most of these things require people who do their work honestly and htink long term, and pretty much everything in that process is being destroyed by cheap money and the high-time-preference it engenders in everyone from the farmer to the waiter at your restaurant [20:55]
mircea_popescu ha! [20:56]
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saifedean with the emergence of bitcoin and the destruction of the world of bezzle and its instant gratification and fast food culture, people are going to appreciate and pay top dollar for the quality stuff that's done right [20:56]
mircea_popescu exactly right. cheap money and the high time preference. [20:56]
mircea_popescu you ever read about the tin women ? [20:56]
saifedean no whats that? [20:56]
mircea_popescu ahahaha [20:57]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/ and also http://trilema.com/2012/lets-dig-a-little-deeper-into-this-entire-deflation-problem/ [20:57]
assbot The problem of too much money pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [20:57]
assbot Let’s dig a little deeper into this entire deflation “problem” pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [20:57]
saifedean my idea is to prepare for the future of the triumphant return of hard money, low-time preference, and civilization, and to profit from it by doing good food properly, in a beautiful setting where you can relax around a big grill's fire and enjoy your meal like a civilized human [20:58]
mircea_popescu its just hysterical how much we agree lol. [20:59]
saifedean i kinda figured from what i have read from your blog! [20:59]
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saifedean the main question that remains now concerns the location of my grill... Lebanon is my favorite place in the world, but it might not be the ideal location what with all the religious wars breaking out... Vancouver is another possibility... [21:01]
mircea_popescu nah, buenos aires. [21:01]
saifedean come on man, you're not expecting me to go set up a grilling business in buenos aires, what was it about taking the coals to newcastle... [21:02]
mircea_popescu you come here, you have a good steak, you forgot why you ever wanted to make a steakhouse. much like the man who was considering doing his own plumbing out of reeds in lebanon, moves to constantinople with the marble baths forgets all about it. [21:02]
saifedean they are the absolute world champions, along with the south africans [21:02]
mircea_popescu im curious when fluffypony shows over, see what he thinks. [21:02]
mircea_popescu saifedean so you actually been here before ? [21:02]
saifedean well, as i said i am hoping to go to BA sometime soon, my argentine friend will be there and it's meant as a crash course in grilling... i could just stick around, but i'd need me a new business idea for the post-bezzlepocalypse [21:03]
saifedean no i've never been to argentina, but i did live in Rio de Janeiro for two years as a kid [21:03]
mircea_popescu aha. [21:03]
mircea_popescu anyway, show up, i'll buy you a steak. [21:04]
saifedean bife de chorizo! [21:04]
mircea_popescu nah, bife de lomo aniversario. [21:05]
mircea_popescu 1kg porterhouse steak is the golden standard in my eyes nao. [21:05]
saifedean i should be finding out soon if my trip will pan out and will let you know [21:05]
saifedean ok, you have a point, i'll have both :D [21:06]
BingoBoingo From the WTF files http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/2321794 << The Javascript [21:07]
assbot NODE Second Generation Cryptocurrency With Different Codebase To Bitcoin Launches - Press Release - Digital Journal [21:07]
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scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/we-the-people/ [21:07]
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mircea_popescu anyway, off to eat. later good folk of the evil cult! [21:11]
chetty saifedean, actually I think there is good call for the sort of 'grill' you describe in Argentina, the relaxed atmosphere, the fire, etc. Steak may be great here but it could use some 'trappings' [21:11]
thestringpuller ben_vulpes: http://btc2mysql.com/ << have you seen http://toshi.io ? [21:13]
saifedean interesting... my idea is also to make it a paleo restaurant... if you guys haven't gone paleo yet, let me just point that making the switch from the crap that everyone eats today to paleo eating is no less revolutionary than jumping from the world of bezzle to bitcoin [21:13]
thestringpuller saifedean: I prefer my diet of candy and insulin. [21:13]
undata saifedean: there is *so* much eaten that is barely (if at all) food [21:13]
chetty <<< never giving up bread and pastries but agree with the 'crap' descriptor for most of what passes as food [21:14]
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saifedean well thestringpuller, i've tried that shitty-ass diet and i tried being paleo, and there's no comparison. Once you try going paleo, eating crap seems about as reasonable as not looking around before crossing the street. Sure, it can be done... but why? [21:15]
undata ditching dairy aside from cheese has been helpful for me [21:15]
undata the cheese could go too but that's no way to live [21:15]
saifedean oh chetty, those who resist paleo the most are the ones most desperately in need of it! [21:15]
joecool welcome to #bitcoin-lifestyle [21:16]
joecool ah i missed mp, funny seeing the noob log [21:17]
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joecool ;;gpg info mircea_popescu [21:17]
gribble User 'mircea_popescu', with keyid 8A736F0E2FB7B452, fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None, registered on Fri Jul 22 08:39:10 2011, last authed on Mon Nov 10 13:04:01 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=mircea_popescu . Currently authenticated from hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu . [21:17]
joecool ;;gpg info joecool [21:17]
gribble User 'joecool', with keyid 4A169504F495E1D1, fingerprint D7570DDF7F8527E085A6CBA44A169504F495E1D1, and bitcoin address 1JoecooLw8qohGrFrmhCcPN6Gw355FjxBc, registered on Thu Apr 28 01:50:04 2011, last authed on Mon Nov 10 13:49:45 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=joecool . Currently authenticated from hostmask joecool!~joecool@no-sources/joecool . [21:17]
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saifedean oh but paleo is intimately related to bitcoin: it is cheap money that has plagued the world with high time preference and that, in turn, is what has turned food from being nourishing to a giant bezzle-funded industry that aims to provide sugar kicks and insulin spikes to the proles immediately when the temptation kicks in. [21:19]
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undata saifedean: its a dream of mine that there'll be a return to families producing their own food. [21:19]
undata you want economic security; that's it. [21:20]
joecool i've produced a good chunk of mine off and on over the years [21:20]
joecool plenty of deer to shoot and ran a large vegetable garden (did canning, freezing for winter, etc) [21:20]
saifedean undata but then... who will raise the aggregate demand?! How selfish would it be of all families to think of their own survival and leave the national economy to flounder. [21:20]
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undata saifedean: sounds glorious. flounder away! [21:22]
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undata I'm working on a software business for now; should that succeed, I'd like to look into automation products for small scale food production. [21:24]
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undata my parents have a largely self-sufficient farm, and their processes are not particularly scientific [21:25]
undata it seems to me that there are gains to be found via automation which would allow a person to both produce their own food and have time to spare for other pursuits [21:26]
ben_vulpes nah, just put hippies to work running the aquaponics [21:29]
ben_vulpes automation's overrated [21:29]
undata I disagree; humans are overrated. [21:30]
undata I'm trying to find an article; the sentence that sticks out in my memory was something like "why would anyone buy lightbulbs when they can just pay staff to see to their candles?" [21:31]
undata because I want to be left alone to work! [21:31]
undata haha [21:31]
rithm SWISS money [21:31]
rithm comes from automata [21:31]
rithm Sent While I Sleep Soundly [21:32]
saifedean i don't mind automation for as long as it does not compromise the quality of the thing in question. So, a fridge is a good idea to keep my steaks cool for a few hours between butchering and grilling. A deep freezer is not such a good idea coz the meat will never taste the same. [21:33]
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undata saifedean: machines should extend the mind of their master [21:36]
saifedean undata: yes, not replace it! [21:36]
chetty oh chetty, those who resist paleo the most are the ones most desperately in need of it!// the paleo idea makes sense to me, and for sure all those chemical and stuff that passes for food is bad idea, but I really don't see passing on grain entirely. [21:38]
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joecool i don't miss it, used to ride insulin rollercoaster for years [21:42]
saifedean chetty: "but I really don't see passing on grain entirely." Try it for a week and see what it does to you. How hard can that be? What do you stand to lose? [21:42]
xanthyos bringing a new guy here who wants in the wot [21:42]
joecool saifedean: i found out i had severe issues with wheat after i noticed i'd feel better if i didn't eat [21:43]
joecool so i fasted a week or two and did an additive diet [21:43]
chetty saifedean, ok, I can do that (guess I better read up on it a bit, can I still have coffee?) [21:43]
joecool until i figured out what it was [21:43]
joecool coffee is fine lol, drink it black [21:44]
ben_vulpes ;;later tell diablo-d3 you're missing a paleo love-in [21:44]
gribble The operation succeeded. [21:44]
joecool if you don't like it, get better coffee and learn how to make it [21:44]
chetty only way to drink coffee [21:44]
ben_vulpes ;;seen diablo-d3 [21:44]
gribble diablo-d3 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 6 days, 21 hours, 35 minutes, and 1 second ago: so it never happened [21:44]
saifedean we humans are simply not evolved to eat grains and seeds. Evolution has worked for millions of years so that the fruit contains nutrients that are good for us, and it also looks good, smells good and appeals to us, because it's good for us and for the plant that we eat the fruit, and that's why we can eat it in the raw. [21:44]
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ben_vulpes saifedean: have you ever read the 10,000 year explosion? [21:45]
joecool nah fuck fruit tbh, rarely eat the stuff [21:45]
undata wut [21:45]
undata joecool: never? [21:45]
joecool undata: pretty much yeah, i hardly ever have it [21:46]
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saifedean But we are not meant to eat the seeds or the grains, they are meant to go into the earth to bring forth more plants. That;s why seeds and grains do not look appealing, do not taste or smell good, and they are absolutely destructive for our body if eaten. agriculture and modern processing over the last 10,000 years has made these things slightly less destructive to us and we have developed some capacity to tolerate them, bu [21:46]
chetty I dont think I am that far off paleo as it is, most of what I eat is raw fruit, veggies and meat anyway. [21:46]
joecool berries yes, leafy vegetables of course, but fuck eating tons of fruit [21:46]
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undata joecool: ah nobody needs tons [21:47]
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xanthyos hi [21:47]
saifedean if you eliminate grains, seeds and sugars, you effectively eliminate the possibility of developing most modern diseases, including diabetes, cancer, alzheimer's, obesity, and so on [21:47]
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thomas_d hey [21:48]
chetty ahh I be chocolate isnt on the list, cant be doing without that for more than a week :P [21:48]
saifedean ben_vulpes, i havent. would you recommend it? [21:48]
ben_vulpes i have. [21:48]
xanthyos what's the link to the wot faq? [21:48]
joecool chetty: i eat high % chocolate, usually 91% or 100% [21:48]
joecool sugar is not a concern there [21:48]
ben_vulpes it puts a mess of holes about three feet below the water line of this "ancient diet" crap. [21:49]
ben_vulpes s/crap/Zodiac [21:49]
saifedean dark chocolate aint that bad, the thing is, you never have to completely eliminate anything... you just need to drastically reduce some thing and make sure they are not a regular part of your diet [21:49]
ben_vulpes dude what is with the endless wordstream [21:49]
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chetty well if I got dark chocolate everything else will be ok. :) [21:50]
saifedean yes, coffee is fine... and if you have it with butter, you win extra paleo points! [21:53]
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ben_vulpes you're welcome [21:53]
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chetty I read about that coffee with butter thing, havent had the nerve to try it [21:55]
ben_vulpes i did it for a while [21:55]
ben_vulpes made me feel funny [21:55]
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lobbes <+saifedean> if you eliminate grains, seeds and sugars, you effectively eliminate the possibility of developing most modern diseases, including diabetes, cancer, alzheimer's, obesity, and so on << okay.. I can maybe see diabetes.. but to eliminate the possibility of cancer by cutting out sugar and seeds?? [21:55]
ben_vulpes lobbes: excess energy in the system develops parasites [21:55]
ben_vulpes it's like communism [21:55]
ben_vulpes BUT IN YOU [21:55]
saifedean http://vernerwheelock.com/?p=327 [21:55]
assbot 58. Cancer and Sugar | Verner's Views [21:55]
joecool cancer really likes fruit :) [21:55]
lobbes ahaha [21:56]
TomServo ben_vulpes: lol [21:56]
saifedean check out Otto Warburg, German Nobel Laureate in Medicine, whose main contribution was to discover that it is only through sugar intake that cancer cells can grow. Eliminate sugar, eliminate cancer, it's that simple. And that, incidentally, is why hunter-gatherers have zero sugar [21:57]
undata http://nutritionaloncology.org/cancerCellMetabolism.html this thing? [21:58]
saifedean yes, though i havent read this piece, but take it from the horse's mouth: http://www.whale.to/a/warburg.html [22:01]
assbot The Prime Cause and Prevention of Cancer by Otto Warburg [22:01]
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xanthyos i resent being solicited for help joining the wot only to then have them go afk [22:03]
ben_vulpes yes, though i havent read this piece << you're like the guy who links to btc stealing malware [22:04]
ben_vulpes "i didn't actually read the source oh noes" [22:04]
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saifedean i didnt actually read the link you sent so i can't vouch for it, or if it's an accurate explanation of the topic, so i gave you one that i had read which i know is good [22:09]
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lobbes <+saifedean> yes, though i havent read this piece, but take it from the horse's mouth: http://www.whale.to/a/warburg.html << hehe, I dig the tripod.com url at the top of the page; vintage [22:14]
assbot The Prime Cause and Prevention of Cancer by Otto Warburg [22:14]
Apocalyptic cancer really likes fruit :) // cancer likes fructose [22:16]
Apocalyptic as any other type of sugar [22:16]
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Pierre_Rochard saifedean: looking forward to savoring your restaurant’s lamb shank one day [22:30]
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cazalla https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net qntra continues to lose traffic, it's dead [22:35]
assbot Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast [22:35]
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punkman cazalla: you just need more ddos [22:47]
cazalla twozerofive doesn't come around here much now [22:48]
cazalla ;;seen twozerofive [22:49]
gribble I have not seen twozerofive. [22:49]
cazalla ;;seen fivezerotwo [22:49]
gribble fivezerotwo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 21 hours, 54 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: have fun, i'll see you soon :D [22:49]
cazalla already forgotten his name [22:49]
mike_c 502, get it. bad gateway. [22:49]
cazalla did not occur to me [22:49]
mike_c it's like l33t speek [22:50]
cazalla obvious now that you pointed it out [22:50]
mike_c oh no, i didn't get it either. he explained it in channel at some point. [22:50]
mike_c all the best jokes require explanation. [22:50]
rithm his name was robert paulsen [22:51]
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