Forum logs for 10 Nov 2014
Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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| jurov | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTgzMjg , also another dude (Colin Watson) has quit | [00:07] |
| assbot | [Phoronix] Joey Hess Resigns From Debian, Unhappy With How It's Changed | [00:07] |
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| jurov | http://debianfork.org/ | [00:09] |
| assbot | Roll up your sleeves, we may need to fork Debian. | [00:09] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00056664 = 2.6632 BTC [+] | [00:13] |
| ben_vulpes | wow mpoe on sale! | [00:13] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00056722 = 8.2247 BTC [+] {2} | [00:21] |
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| mircea_popescu | !up saifedean | [00:28] |
| -assbot- | You voiced saifedean for 30 minutes. | [00:28] |
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| mircea_popescu | debian certainly went to shit since sarge. | [00:29] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8271 @ 0.00056662 = 4.6865 BTC [-] | [00:30] |
| saifedean | good day gentlemen | [00:34] |
| mircea_popescu | hello! | [00:35] |
| saifedean | mo, i did email you the dissertation the other day, did you get it? | [00:35] |
| mircea_popescu | i did. | [00:35] |
| saifedean | great, just making sure | [00:35] |
| mircea_popescu | i didn;'t get around to reading it yet, but its in the pile. | [00:35] |
| saifedean | no worries, | [00:36] |
| Naphex | http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/11/silk-road-other-tor-darknet-sites-may-have-been-decloaked-through-ddos/ lmao! | [00:36] |
| assbot | Silk Road, other Tor “darknet” sites may have been “decloaked” through DDoS | Ars Technica | [00:36] |
| mircea_popescu | i still think you should publish it. ever seen http://trilema.com/2014/a-conceit-or-the-importance-of-blogging/ ? | [00:36] |
| assbot | A conceit, or the importance of blogging pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | [00:36] |
| saifedean | so, mp, are you going to be in Buenos Aires January/Feb? I might be popping by for a week or so | [00:36] |
| Naphex | "es, hello, Internet supervillain here," nachash, said that his server—a virtual private server running the German hosting service Hetzner—was initially hit by what he believed was a denial of service attack in Augus' | [00:36] |
| mircea_popescu | Naphex maybe they were decloaked through sexism. | [00:37] |
| mircea_popescu | saifedean yes. for that matter, the bitcoin conference is in april. | [00:37] |
| mircea_popescu | $conference | [00:37] |
| empyex | mircea_popescu: Next conference starts in 5 months and 8 days. Estimated cost today: 3.74478709 BTC (Details: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ ) | [00:37] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14146 @ 0.00056652 = 8.014 BTC [-] | [00:38] |
| saifedean | much as i'd love to be in the conference, april might be tough, especially as i'm so goddamn far, but i'll let you know if i manage to work out jan/feb | [00:39] |
| saifedean | but if you like buenos aires and istanbul, from what i gather from your blog, you will absolutely love beirut... who's like istanbul's little prettier sister | [00:39] |
| mircea_popescu | yes. | [00:40] |
| mircea_popescu | problem being she hangs out with all these bikers. | [00:40] |
| mircea_popescu | Naphex on a related note, i really don't get all these derps going "oh you know what ? i'll run a hertzner vm through this magic layer. presto, totally anon!" | [00:43] |
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| saifedean | you lay down the law and the bikers disappear, mp... just book your ticket | [00:48] |
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| ben_vulpes | ;;ident saifedean | [01:10] |
| gribble | Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead. | [01:10] |
| mircea_popescu | lol | [01:10] |
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| JorgePasada | Anyone have any good reading on all the stuff that's been happening with tor because of this latest raid thing? | [01:15] |
| dub | i think the learning is (or was since years ago) don't use tor | [01:18] |
| JorgePasada | Yeah, not for anything secure obviously, but you can still learn from stuff like this I feel | [01:19] |
| dub | you can learn not to do anything on a network that you wouldnt be happy with obama reading | [01:21] |
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| ben_vulpes | http://www.entropykey.co.uk/ << more entropy hardware, ARM micros included! | [01:22] |
| assbot | Simtec Electronics Entropy Key: USB True Random Number Generator | [01:22] |
| dub | oh my god the new firefox ui is terrible | [01:23] |
| dub | they need to share that good weed around | [01:23] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27206 @ 0.00056708 = 15.428 BTC [+] {2} | [01:28] |
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| mircea_popescu | JorgePasada maybe read all the disparate stuff, publish a digest. | [02:20] |
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| JorgePasada | mircea_popescu: Yeah I'm just trying to learn. Found a couple good things via hacker news. | [02:22] |
| JorgePasada | Tor sucks though, you almost have to assume either your entrance or exit node (or worse, both) are compromised these days. | [02:23] |
| cazalla | scoopbot, wru | [02:24] |
| mats_cd03 | http://youtu.be/bntfUA6TmLs | [02:28] |
| assbot | MONSTER Energy drinks are the work of SATAN!!! - YouTube | [02:28] |
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| ben_vulpes | how dumb would it be to bisect the git source history to find the unwedging commit? | [02:40] |
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| mircea_popescu | http://trilema.com/2013/dear-guardian-stop-being-retarded/ << last year "everybody" knew better. | [02:45] |
| assbot | Dear Guardian : stop being retarded. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | [02:45] |
| mircea_popescu | ben_vulpes not dumb at all. | [02:45] |
| mircea_popescu | ;;later tell peterl yeah listen, this 50% uptime business is for the dogs. | [02:46] |
| gribble | The operation succeeded. | [02:46] |
| ben_vulpes | does anyone have a node with high throughput to which they'd be willing to whitelist my connections | [02:47] |
| mircea_popescu | ben_vulpes if you actually have the blockchain by very far the best way to do this is stage a local environment and feed the experimental instance through some sort of loopback | [02:49] |
| ben_vulpes | indeed. | [02:51] |
| mircea_popescu | you saying you don't have it ? | [02:52] |
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| ben_vulpes | i've one sitting on this os x machine. | [02:53] |
| ben_vulpes | i'm digging through the logs of our conversation about copying blockchains around. | [02:54] |
| ben_vulpes | *to find our conversation* | [02:54] |
| ben_vulpes | basically i want to know if uploading my os x 8.6 blockchain to my debian testing machine is worth the time | [02:57] |
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| mircea_popescu | well it's worth the time in the sense that not having the 30gb in question wherever your favourite staging environment is is a major handicap. | [02:59] |
| mircea_popescu | if you prefer working locally then not worth it. if you generally use that machine/dc, then worth it. | [03:00] |
| ben_vulpes | right, totally on the same page there. | [03:00] |
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| ben_vulpes | i'm trying to estimate if the transfer time for my os x blockchain is worth the risk of it simply not working. | [03:01] |
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| mircea_popescu | inasmuch as it's the blockchain it will HAVE To work. or bust. | [03:02] |
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| thestringpuller | !t m s.mpoe | [03:44] |
| assbot | [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00055831 / 0.00056471 / 0.00058756 (828982 shares, 468.14 BTC), 7D: 0.00055831 / 0.00067039 / 0.00076965 (3873559 shares, 2,596.82 BTC), 30D: 0.00055831 / 0.00073576 / 0.00081111 (23823364 shares, 17,528.32 BTC) | [03:44] |
| thestringpuller | !l m s.mpoe | [03:44] |
| assbot | Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00056708 BTC [+] | [03:44] |
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| mircea_popescu | hgmm, was the last oglaf drawn by an intern ? | [03:53] |
| mircea_popescu | drunk trudy ? 5 minute sketch ? | [03:53] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27287 @ 0.00064573 = 17.62 BTC [+] {2} | [04:51] |
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| asciilifeform | you know, incase you'd like to have a binary that isn't bloated with debug symbols << 'strip bitcoind' >> solved | [04:57] |
| asciilifeform | whoever wants to add this as a patch - can | [04:58] |
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| asciilifeform | has anyone downloaded the full chain with a .5/.6/.7/.8/.9 << 0.8, yes | [05:01] |
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| danielpbarron | i've got an up-to-date chain on 0.7.2 | [05:04] |
| asciilifeform | ben_vulpes: entropy key << gadget was discussed here many times. appears to be permanently unavailable (and closed-source.) | [05:05] |
| asciilifeform | tor compromise through filled circuit ddos << this is a 'classic', described in academic papers. and i can say for a fact that the 'machine' is still turned on. just last night had a tor client fail to form a circuit, for the first time in many years of semi-regular use. | [05:06] |
| * | asciilifeform uses tor for non-critical applications | [05:06] |
| asciilifeform | http://i.imgur.com/zSaUuKQ.gif | [05:15] |
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| ben_vulpes | asciilifeform: nsa.gif << top kek | [05:18] |
| scoopbot | New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/pizza-hut-computers-used-to-mine-bitcoin-in-2013/ | [05:23] |
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| asciilifeform | pizza hut << this distinguishes it from every other cattle farm where the cattle get to use computers, precisely how? | [05:26] |
| mircea_popescu | ;;seen mike_c | [05:31] |
| gribble | mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 5 hours, 18 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: |
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| mike_c | i'm around | [05:35] |
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| mircea_popescu | ah nice. | [05:36] |
| mircea_popescu | i luv the summoning capabilities of teh log. | [05:37] |
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| cazalla | asciilifeform, sunday is a slow day, whaddaya want from me? | [05:49] |
| cazalla | i mean, why spend $20-$30 on a pizza when you can get one from pizza hut on tight ass tuesday for $3.95! | [05:50] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14737 @ 0.00064657 = 9.5285 BTC [+] | [05:58] |
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| asciilifeform | pizza hut << incidentally, if you tally up an upper bound for how much could have been mined ('up to 60 stores', let's say a few machines in each) - it ought to have sufficed for... a couple of pizzas. | [06:05] |
| asciilifeform | non-asic mining is 'dead as dodo', and certainly was in 2013. | [06:06] |
| asciilifeform | at least, most of it | [06:06] |
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| ben_vulpes | every hash is sacred | [06:17] |
| asciilifeform | every hash is needed, in your neighbourhood! | [06:17] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00064966 = 6.3667 BTC [+] | [06:19] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00064995 = 20.051 BTC [+] | [06:29] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18941 @ 0.00065206 = 12.3507 BTC [+] {2} | [06:32] |
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| Vexual | I'm trying to get my head around this taxation stuff | [06:38] |
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| ben_vulpes | speak further on thy confusion, Vexual | [06:39] |
| Vexual | well it's internet powered to be sure | [06:39] |
| Vexual | so, I'm porndering the notion "Bitcoin realised" | [06:42] |
| Vexual | I suppose there are no other qualifiers on purpose | [06:43] |
| Vexual | oh it's good | [06:51] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18650 @ 0.00064966 = 12.1162 BTC [-] | [06:51] |
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| ben_vulpes | http://christophe.rhodes.io/notes/blog/posts/2014/reproducible_builds_-_a_month_ahead_of_schedule/ << tiny brain blown | [06:57] |
| assbot | reproducible builds - a month ahead of schedule | [06:57] |
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| ben_vulpes | bitcoin realized means more or less "profit" | [07:05] |
| Vexual | Yeah, forever profits? | [07:05] |
| ben_vulpes | whaddaya mean "forever"? | [07:06] |
| Vexual | since forever | [07:06] |
| Vexual | 2009 | [07:07] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00065245 = 6.7202 BTC [+] | [07:09] |
| Vexual | or perhaps you pay where you think some other entity might lay claim | [07:09] |
| ben_vulpes | well pre 2015 bitcoin barely matters in the world at large | [07:09] |
| Vexual | yes i see | [07:12] |
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| cazalla | "If bitcoin were allowed to co-‐exist as “legal tender” it could also create a situation where under Gresham’s Law “Bad money drives out good”. In such a scenario, bad currency (bitcoin) would be used and good currency (US Dollar) would be hoarded, creating greater economic instability." | [07:23] |
| cazalla | hoarding usd, nice one | [07:23] |
| Vexual | i read about that gut that printed $200 million, he hoarded it | [07:26] |
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| Vexual | cut a deal to keep his shed-load off the streets | [07:27] |
| Vexual | it's in gq | [07:29] |
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| RetroUPriser | How's it going? I was going to see if mircea_popescu was active and willing to play a game of chess, | [07:46] |
| BingoBoingo | Ah | [07:48] |
| BingoBoingo | Things are going | [07:49] |
| ben_vulpes | RetroUPriser: you may get a game out of BingoBoingo | [07:49] |
| BingoBoingo | Nah, I'm not drunk enough to chess tonight. | [07:49] |
| RetroUPriser | I've played him before | [07:49] |
| RetroUPriser | and that seems like the typical answer | [07:49] |
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| scoopbot | New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/professor-bitcorn-talks-top-ten-risks-associated-with-bitcoin/ | [08:07] |
| cazalla | ooh knocked glass off table onto open case.. lucky i drank the water in it just a few minutes ago | [08:09] |
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| mircea_popescu | http://ask.fm/Mircea_Popescu/answer/122233688968 < ok who was the smartass ? | [08:24] |
| mircea_popescu | [08:26] | |
| mircea_popescu | "let us make claims backwards! it's almost like science!" | [08:26] |
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| decimation | ben_vulpes: re: sbcl < neat link thanks | [08:49] |
| decimation | hoarding usd << lol. actually there's a great deal of certainty about the dollar, it's just that the certainty is that there is no fixed number of dollars, never has been, never will be | [08:53] |
| decimation | "Under the Bitcoin model, those who create the algorithm, protocol, manage the transactional ledger and mine virtual currencies would become the new central bankers, controlling a monetary basis, an immense power and responsibility." << lol yeah that's a 'risk' | [08:54] |
| decimation | the whole reason bitcoin is even mildly compelling is because those 'central bankers' who are currently 'controlling money' are fucking things up royally | [08:56] |
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| ben_vulpes | well that was odd. | [09:04] |
| decimation | kicked? | [09:07] |
| ben_vulpes | remote emacs client straight up died. | [09:10] |
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| BingoBoingo | http://bitcoinmagazine.com/17439/bitcoin-we-are-all-the-blockchain/ written by this guy http://www.27bslash6.com/p2p2.html | [09:13] |
| ben_vulpes | "However, the real value of Bitcoin is not reaped at an individual level." << he's spot on, though - it's about raping at a collective level | [09:19] |
| ben_vulpes | actually i'm noping the fuck out of this article. | [09:21] |
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| jurov | !mpif | [10:21] |
| assbot | BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021747 B (Total: 475.57 B). Delta: 0.56 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000195 BTC [-] | [10:21] |
| mircea_popescu | who the fuck are all these derps lmao. | [10:23] |
| mircea_popescu | seems timmy swanson was just the tip of the shitberg. | [10:23] |
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| -assbot- | Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass. | [20:05] |
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| mircea_popescu | !up saifedean | [20:07] |
| -assbot- | You voiced saifedean for 30 minutes. | [20:07] |
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| mircea_popescu | by the way, you know how to use the tools here ? like say | [20:07] |
| mircea_popescu | !s taleb | [20:07] |
| assbot | 139 results for 'taleb' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=taleb | [20:07] |
| saifedean | ah, no i don't... i've been trying to learn the ropes | [20:08] |
| saifedean | thanks for that | [20:08] |
| mircea_popescu | ah i got something for you here, just gimme a minuite | [20:09] |
| mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2014#748585 << this is the delivery of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2014#746817 | [20:10] |
| assbot | Logged on 07-07-2014 23:30:49; sexysaffron: I have a video delivery! | [20:10] |
| assbot | Logged on 06-07-2014 23:40:36; mircea_popescu: "Here's me begging you Mr Taleb!" or something | [20:10] |
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| saifedean | lol, i think i saw this on pete's blog before... | [20:13] |
| mircea_popescu | ah ok then | [20:13] |
| saifedean | compelling, i must say, but last time i spoke to taleb he wasn't all that interested in bitcoin. i mean, he finds it interesting to a point, but not to the point of healthy obsession and complete disregard of everything else that we share | [20:14] |
| mircea_popescu | yeah, and the reason is he's not yet met anyone that groks it fully, so as to answer objection properly. | [20:15] |
| mircea_popescu | or at least, that was my case, in 2011 | [20:15] |
| saifedean | is that when you first started on the righteous path? | [20:17] |
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| mircea_popescu | yeah. | [20:17] |
| mircea_popescu | ;;google noob mp or how it all begun | [20:17] |
| gribble | "At civilization's end", an MP Megacampaign - Page 2 - Paradox ...: |
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| mircea_popescu | jesus google... | [20:17] |
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| mircea_popescu | saifedean for my own curiosity, google that string (no quotes) see what pops up ? | [20:18] |
| TomServo | http://trilema.com/2013/noob-mp-or-how-it-all-began/ | [20:18] |
| assbot | Noob MP, or how it all began pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | [20:18] |
| saifedean | may i ask what did you do in the pre-bitcoin era? In the Bezzle Age? | [20:18] |
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| mircea_popescu | i was retired. | [20:19] |
| mircea_popescu | !up Tykling | [20:19] |
| -assbot- | You voiced Tykling for 30 minutes. | [20:19] |
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| mircea_popescu | getting slowly bored to death in costa rica. | [20:20] |
| saifedean | i got a bunch of gaming forum posts, nothing to do with you | [20:20] |
| mircea_popescu | myeah. | [20:20] |
| saifedean | very nice, retirement is underrated. the main appeal of academia for me is that it is a halfway house to retirement | [20:20] |
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| mircea_popescu | retirement is way overrated. i tell you, i thought it was going to be "the life" for the rest of my life. http://trilema.com/2011/nsfw-gradina-edenului/ | [20:21] |
| assbot | NSFW Gradina Edenului pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | [20:21] |
| mircea_popescu | turns out, it can keep the sane man about three years. | [20:21] |
| saifedean | it sure as hell beats working in the world of bezzle, a slave-like existence producing nothing and wasting your life in a worthless pissing contest whose first prize is the ability to kiss a bigger ass | [20:27] |
| thestringpuller | anyone good with regex? | [20:27] |
| undata | saifedean: start a business you weenie :p | [20:27] |
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| mircea_popescu | either that or start shooting people. | [20:27] |
| mircea_popescu | thestringpuller moderately, but don't ask to ask. | [20:28] |
| thestringpuller | i don't want to bother anyone with the pain that is regex ~_~ | [20:28] |
| undata | thestringpuller: you may find this helpful http://www.regexr.com/ | [20:28] |
| assbot | RegExr: Learn, Build, & Test RegEx | [20:28] |
| thestringpuller | thanks undata | [20:28] |
| undata | yw | [20:29] |
| thestringpuller | found one good example | [20:29] |
| thestringpuller | Regex, yet another reason I hate strings. | [20:29] |
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| mircea_popescu | o.O | [20:31] |
| saifedean | undata & mp, i'm actually thinking of starting a grill restaurant... to be named the honey badger grill, bitcoin preferred | [20:35] |
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| mircea_popescu | now why would you do that ? | [20:36] |
| thestringpuller | saifedean: i am working on a crypto bakery lol | [20:37] |
| saifedean | coz i really enjoy grilling, i'm very good at it, people really like my steaks and i could get them to pay me good money to eat it if i put my head to make it good... sounds to me like a better way of spending your life than any bezzle career | [20:37] |
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| undata | I like bitcoin and grilled food; I dunno about the honey badger thing | [20:39] |
| chetty | yeah but where does the name come from? sounds too much like honey pot, imo | [20:39] |
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| undata | it's just some meme | [20:39] |
| mircea_popescu | saifedean maybe. i am also very good at cooking, people love my stuff and i could definitely get them to pay. | [20:39] |
| mircea_popescu | the problem is this doesn't scale. | [20:39] |
| saifedean | because honey badger doesn't give a shit, and because bitcoin is the honey badger of money | [20:40] |
| saifedean | why the hell would i want to scale? if i wanted to scale i'd join mcdonalds for a rewarding career and an early grave | [20:40] |
| chetty | wolverine | [20:40] |
| saifedean | if i could run a single operation very well, it could make enough income to allow me to live very well, while spending my days doing something i enjoy | [20:41] |
| chetty | sounds like a little piece of heaven there saifedean | [20:41] |
| thestringpuller | mircea_popescu: if it's a pet, why would you want it to scale? restaurants are cool because you get free food and a place to "hang out" | [20:42] |
| saifedean | the idea of being my own boss, and to only be the boss of a few people is ideal. easily beats having to deal with hundreds of idiots in a large operatoin and suffer their idiocy | [20:42] |
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| mircea_popescu | thestringpuller saifedean i am familiar with your idea of restaurants. these work as a retirement ploy by old merchants, who have an immense pile of gold in the basement, a pretty wife and don't give a shit about what may come, they juist want people to hang out and chat with. | [20:44] |
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| mircea_popescu | this model works extremely well if one has the basement (not just the gold, but also the many travel stories in the basement of their head) | [20:44] |
| mircea_popescu | it works extremely poorly if one merely copies the visible parts of the institution. | [20:44] |
| ben_vulpes | http://btc2mysql.com/ | [20:45] |
| assbot | BTC2MySQL | [20:45] |
| ben_vulpes | interdasting tool | [20:45] |
| saifedean | i definitely have the travel stories and the pretty wife and zero shits are given about what may come... most my days are a struggle to secure excellent quality food, a struggle which will only be resolved conclusively once i have my entire operation | [20:45] |
| ben_vulpes | have not derped with yet | [20:46] |
| ben_vulpes | but what are the engineering arguments for an embedded kv store against which one cannot query well if at all vs. a embedded sql store? | [20:46] |
| undata | ahemahem sqlite | [20:46] |
| undata | but #nodeps, right? | [20:47] |
| saifedean | the way i see it, bitcoin will kill pretty much all the world of bezzle, as i'm sure you folk agree, and the only jobs that will thrive in th future are those that involve actually doing something useful for other people which others appreciate and are happy to pay for. there are few things in life people appreciate better than a well-cooked steak, and few things in life that are done badly as often | [20:47] |
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| undata | saifedean: a word of caution; businesses always look simple when looking from outside | [20:48] |
| undata | my god 4 walls and a door and I'm there | [20:48] |
| saifedean | undata that's why i'm still researching and thinking of this while keeping my academic job | [20:50] |
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| saifedean | well, why else did you move to argentina but for the excellent grass-fed beef? | [20:52] |
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| mircea_popescu | they eat a lot of beef in beirut ? | [20:52] |
| mircea_popescu | you know, i've never had any decent beef, not in cairo, not in luxor, not even in lebanon. | [20:52] |
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| saifedean | once you've had a proper well-cooked steak, any other day of your life will be ruined if you venture into a McDonald's or some other Bezzle Institution | [20:52] |
| mircea_popescu | your meat sucks. it's not even how you cook it. it fucking sucks. | [20:52] |
| mircea_popescu | saifedean have you had an argentine steak ? | [20:53] |
| saifedean | in lebanon beef isn't very good, but the lamb is excellent, and it is grass-fed | [20:53] |
| mircea_popescu | lamb is splendid absolutely. | [20:53] |
| mircea_popescu | i mostly ate lamb and chicken over my time among the no-pok-people. | [20:53] |
| mircea_popescu | ended up eating a whole fucking pick in oradea on my way back | [20:53] |
| saifedean | my best friend is half-argentinian and half lebanese, and we've been talking about this restaurant together for years, he's brought excellent argentine beef over | [20:54] |
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| mircea_popescu | ah. the stuff that you eat like salmon, practically ? half raw in the middle ? | [20:54] |
| mircea_popescu | i mean. of the inch thickness, a half inch in the middle is barely warm. | [20:54] |
| saifedean | there are many many things that make a good steak, most of these things require people who do their work honestly and htink long term, and pretty much everything in that process is being destroyed by cheap money and the high-time-preference it engenders in everyone from the farmer to the waiter at your restaurant | [20:55] |
| mircea_popescu | ha! | [20:56] |
| mircea_popescu | !b 2 | [20:56] |
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| saifedean | with the emergence of bitcoin and the destruction of the world of bezzle and its instant gratification and fast food culture, people are going to appreciate and pay top dollar for the quality stuff that's done right | [20:56] |
| mircea_popescu | exactly right. cheap money and the high time preference. | [20:56] |
| mircea_popescu | you ever read about the tin women ? | [20:56] |
| saifedean | no whats that? | [20:56] |
| mircea_popescu | ahahaha | [20:57] |
| mircea_popescu | http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/ and also http://trilema.com/2012/lets-dig-a-little-deeper-into-this-entire-deflation-problem/ | [20:57] |
| assbot | The problem of too much money pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | [20:57] |
| assbot | Let’s dig a little deeper into this entire deflation “problem” pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | [20:57] |
| saifedean | my idea is to prepare for the future of the triumphant return of hard money, low-time preference, and civilization, and to profit from it by doing good food properly, in a beautiful setting where you can relax around a big grill's fire and enjoy your meal like a civilized human | [20:58] |
| mircea_popescu | its just hysterical how much we agree lol. | [20:59] |
| saifedean | i kinda figured from what i have read from your blog! | [20:59] |
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| saifedean | the main question that remains now concerns the location of my grill... Lebanon is my favorite place in the world, but it might not be the ideal location what with all the religious wars breaking out... Vancouver is another possibility... | [21:01] |
| mircea_popescu | nah, buenos aires. | [21:01] |
| saifedean | come on man, you're not expecting me to go set up a grilling business in buenos aires, what was it about taking the coals to newcastle... | [21:02] |
| mircea_popescu | you come here, you have a good steak, you forgot why you ever wanted to make a steakhouse. much like the man who was considering doing his own plumbing out of reeds in lebanon, moves to constantinople with the marble baths forgets all about it. | [21:02] |
| saifedean | they are the absolute world champions, along with the south africans | [21:02] |
| mircea_popescu | im curious when fluffypony shows over, see what he thinks. | [21:02] |
| mircea_popescu | saifedean so you actually been here before ? | [21:02] |
| saifedean | well, as i said i am hoping to go to BA sometime soon, my argentine friend will be there and it's meant as a crash course in grilling... i could just stick around, but i'd need me a new business idea for the post-bezzlepocalypse | [21:03] |
| saifedean | no i've never been to argentina, but i did live in Rio de Janeiro for two years as a kid | [21:03] |
| mircea_popescu | aha. | [21:03] |
| mircea_popescu | anyway, show up, i'll buy you a steak. | [21:04] |
| saifedean | bife de chorizo! | [21:04] |
| mircea_popescu | nah, bife de lomo aniversario. | [21:05] |
| mircea_popescu | 1kg porterhouse steak is the golden standard in my eyes nao. | [21:05] |
| saifedean | i should be finding out soon if my trip will pan out and will let you know | [21:05] |
| saifedean | ok, you have a point, i'll have both :D | [21:06] |
| BingoBoingo | From the WTF files http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/2321794 << The Javascript | [21:07] |
| assbot | NODE Second Generation Cryptocurrency With Different Codebase To Bitcoin Launches - Press Release - Digital Journal | [21:07] |
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| scoopbot | New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/we-the-people/ | [21:07] |
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| mircea_popescu | anyway, off to eat. later good folk of the evil cult! | [21:11] |
| chetty | saifedean, actually I think there is good call for the sort of 'grill' you describe in Argentina, the relaxed atmosphere, the fire, etc. Steak may be great here but it could use some 'trappings' | [21:11] |
| thestringpuller | ben_vulpes: http://btc2mysql.com/ << have you seen http://toshi.io ? | [21:13] |
| saifedean | interesting... my idea is also to make it a paleo restaurant... if you guys haven't gone paleo yet, let me just point that making the switch from the crap that everyone eats today to paleo eating is no less revolutionary than jumping from the world of bezzle to bitcoin | [21:13] |
| thestringpuller | saifedean: I prefer my diet of candy and insulin. | [21:13] |
| undata | saifedean: there is *so* much eaten that is barely (if at all) food | [21:13] |
| chetty | <<< never giving up bread and pastries but agree with the 'crap' descriptor for most of what passes as food | [21:14] |
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| saifedean | well thestringpuller, i've tried that shitty-ass diet and i tried being paleo, and there's no comparison. Once you try going paleo, eating crap seems about as reasonable as not looking around before crossing the street. Sure, it can be done... but why? | [21:15] |
| undata | ditching dairy aside from cheese has been helpful for me | [21:15] |
| undata | the cheese could go too but that's no way to live | [21:15] |
| saifedean | oh chetty, those who resist paleo the most are the ones most desperately in need of it! | [21:15] |
| joecool | welcome to #bitcoin-lifestyle | [21:16] |
| joecool | ah i missed mp, funny seeing the noob log | [21:17] |
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| joecool | ;;gpg info mircea_popescu | [21:17] |
| gribble | User 'mircea_popescu', with keyid 8A736F0E2FB7B452, fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None, registered on Fri Jul 22 08:39:10 2011, last authed on Mon Nov 10 13:04:01 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=mircea_popescu . Currently authenticated from hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu . | [21:17] |
| joecool | ;;gpg info joecool | [21:17] |
| gribble | User 'joecool', with keyid 4A169504F495E1D1, fingerprint D7570DDF7F8527E085A6CBA44A169504F495E1D1, and bitcoin address 1JoecooLw8qohGrFrmhCcPN6Gw355FjxBc, registered on Thu Apr 28 01:50:04 2011, last authed on Mon Nov 10 13:49:45 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=joecool . Currently authenticated from hostmask joecool!~joecool@no-sources/joecool . | [21:17] |
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| joecool | heh | [21:18] |
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| saifedean | oh but paleo is intimately related to bitcoin: it is cheap money that has plagued the world with high time preference and that, in turn, is what has turned food from being nourishing to a giant bezzle-funded industry that aims to provide sugar kicks and insulin spikes to the proles immediately when the temptation kicks in. | [21:19] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19350 @ 0.00064819 = 12.5425 BTC [+] | [21:19] |
| undata | saifedean: its a dream of mine that there'll be a return to families producing their own food. | [21:19] |
| undata | you want economic security; that's it. | [21:20] |
| joecool | i've produced a good chunk of mine off and on over the years | [21:20] |
| joecool | plenty of deer to shoot and ran a large vegetable garden (did canning, freezing for winter, etc) | [21:20] |
| saifedean | undata but then... who will raise the aggregate demand?! How selfish would it be of all families to think of their own survival and leave the national economy to flounder. | [21:20] |
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| undata | saifedean: sounds glorious. flounder away! | [21:22] |
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| undata | I'm working on a software business for now; should that succeed, I'd like to look into automation products for small scale food production. | [21:24] |
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| undata | my parents have a largely self-sufficient farm, and their processes are not particularly scientific | [21:25] |
| undata | it seems to me that there are gains to be found via automation which would allow a person to both produce their own food and have time to spare for other pursuits | [21:26] |
| ben_vulpes | nah, just put hippies to work running the aquaponics | [21:29] |
| ben_vulpes | automation's overrated | [21:29] |
| undata | I disagree; humans are overrated. | [21:30] |
| undata | I'm trying to find an article; the sentence that sticks out in my memory was something like "why would anyone buy lightbulbs when they can just pay staff to see to their candles?" | [21:31] |
| undata | because I want to be left alone to work! | [21:31] |
| undata | haha | [21:31] |
| rithm | SWISS money | [21:31] |
| rithm | comes from automata | [21:31] |
| rithm | Sent While I Sleep Soundly | [21:32] |
| saifedean | i don't mind automation for as long as it does not compromise the quality of the thing in question. So, a fridge is a good idea to keep my steaks cool for a few hours between butchering and grilling. A deep freezer is not such a good idea coz the meat will never taste the same. | [21:33] |
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| undata | saifedean: machines should extend the mind of their master | [21:36] |
| saifedean | undata: yes, not replace it! | [21:36] |
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| chetty | !up saifedean | [21:41] |
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| joecool | i don't miss it, used to ride insulin rollercoaster for years | [21:42] |
| saifedean | chetty: "but I really don't see passing on grain entirely." Try it for a week and see what it does to you. How hard can that be? What do you stand to lose? | [21:42] |
| xanthyos | bringing a new guy here who wants in the wot | [21:42] |
| joecool | saifedean: i found out i had severe issues with wheat after i noticed i'd feel better if i didn't eat | [21:43] |
| joecool | so i fasted a week or two and did an additive diet | [21:43] |
| chetty | saifedean, ok, I can do that (guess I better read up on it a bit, can I still have coffee?) | [21:43] |
| joecool | until i figured out what it was | [21:43] |
| joecool | coffee is fine lol, drink it black | [21:44] |
| ben_vulpes | ;;later tell diablo-d3 you're missing a paleo love-in | [21:44] |
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| joecool | if you don't like it, get better coffee and learn how to make it | [21:44] |
| chetty | only way to drink coffee | [21:44] |
| ben_vulpes | ;;seen diablo-d3 | [21:44] |
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| saifedean | we humans are simply not evolved to eat grains and seeds. Evolution has worked for millions of years so that the fruit contains nutrients that are good for us, and it also looks good, smells good and appeals to us, because it's good for us and for the plant that we eat the fruit, and that's why we can eat it in the raw. | [21:44] |
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| ben_vulpes | saifedean: have you ever read the 10,000 year explosion? | [21:45] |
| joecool | nah fuck fruit tbh, rarely eat the stuff | [21:45] |
| undata | wut | [21:45] |
| undata | joecool: never? | [21:45] |
| joecool | undata: pretty much yeah, i hardly ever have it | [21:46] |
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| saifedean | But we are not meant to eat the seeds or the grains, they are meant to go into the earth to bring forth more plants. That;s why seeds and grains do not look appealing, do not taste or smell good, and they are absolutely destructive for our body if eaten. agriculture and modern processing over the last 10,000 years has made these things slightly less destructive to us and we have developed some capacity to tolerate them, bu | [21:46] |
| chetty | I dont think I am that far off paleo as it is, most of what I eat is raw fruit, veggies and meat anyway. | [21:46] |
| joecool | berries yes, leafy vegetables of course, but fuck eating tons of fruit | [21:46] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14250 @ 0.00065012 = 9.2642 BTC [+] | [21:46] |
| undata | joecool: ah nobody needs tons | [21:47] |
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| xanthyos | hi | [21:47] |
| saifedean | if you eliminate grains, seeds and sugars, you effectively eliminate the possibility of developing most modern diseases, including diabetes, cancer, alzheimer's, obesity, and so on | [21:47] |
| xanthyos | !up thomas_d | [21:48] |
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| thomas_d | hey | [21:48] |
| chetty | ahh I be chocolate isnt on the list, cant be doing without that for more than a week :P | [21:48] |
| saifedean | ben_vulpes, i havent. would you recommend it? | [21:48] |
| ben_vulpes | i have. | [21:48] |
| xanthyos | what's the link to the wot faq? | [21:48] |
| joecool | chetty: i eat high % chocolate, usually 91% or 100% | [21:48] |
| joecool | sugar is not a concern there | [21:48] |
| ben_vulpes | it puts a mess of holes about three feet below the water line of this "ancient diet" crap. | [21:49] |
| ben_vulpes | s/crap/Zodiac | [21:49] |
| saifedean | dark chocolate aint that bad, the thing is, you never have to completely eliminate anything... you just need to drastically reduce some thing and make sure they are not a regular part of your diet | [21:49] |
| ben_vulpes | dude what is with the endless wordstream | [21:49] |
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| chetty | well if I got dark chocolate everything else will be ok. :) | [21:50] |
| saifedean | yes, coffee is fine... and if you have it with butter, you win extra paleo points! | [21:53] |
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| ben_vulpes | you're welcome | [21:53] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00064819 = 9.2043 BTC [-] | [21:54] |
| chetty | I read about that coffee with butter thing, havent had the nerve to try it | [21:55] |
| ben_vulpes | i did it for a while | [21:55] |
| ben_vulpes | made me feel funny | [21:55] |
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| lobbes | <+saifedean> if you eliminate grains, seeds and sugars, you effectively eliminate the possibility of developing most modern diseases, including diabetes, cancer, alzheimer's, obesity, and so on << okay.. I can maybe see diabetes.. but to eliminate the possibility of cancer by cutting out sugar and seeds?? | [21:55] |
| ben_vulpes | lobbes: excess energy in the system develops parasites | [21:55] |
| ben_vulpes | it's like communism | [21:55] |
| ben_vulpes | BUT IN YOU | [21:55] |
| saifedean | http://vernerwheelock.com/?p=327 | [21:55] |
| assbot | 58. Cancer and Sugar | Verner's Views | [21:55] |
| joecool | cancer really likes fruit :) | [21:55] |
| lobbes | ahaha | [21:56] |
| TomServo | ben_vulpes: lol | [21:56] |
| saifedean | check out Otto Warburg, German Nobel Laureate in Medicine, whose main contribution was to discover that it is only through sugar intake that cancer cells can grow. Eliminate sugar, eliminate cancer, it's that simple. And that, incidentally, is why hunter-gatherers have zero sugar | [21:57] |
| undata | http://nutritionaloncology.org/cancerCellMetabolism.html this thing? | [21:58] |
| saifedean | yes, though i havent read this piece, but take it from the horse's mouth: http://www.whale.to/a/warburg.html | [22:01] |
| assbot | The Prime Cause and Prevention of Cancer by Otto Warburg | [22:01] |
| xanthyos | !down thomas_d | [22:02] |
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| xanthyos | i resent being solicited for help joining the wot only to then have them go afk | [22:03] |
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| ben_vulpes | "i didn't actually read the source oh noes" | [22:04] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25131 @ 0.00064819 = 16.2897 BTC [-] | [22:04] |
| saifedean | i didnt actually read the link you sent so i can't vouch for it, or if it's an accurate explanation of the topic, so i gave you one that i had read which i know is good | [22:09] |
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| lobbes | <+saifedean> yes, though i havent read this piece, but take it from the horse's mouth: http://www.whale.to/a/warburg.html << hehe, I dig the tripod.com url at the top of the page; vintage | [22:14] |
| assbot | The Prime Cause and Prevention of Cancer by Otto Warburg | [22:14] |
| Apocalyptic | [22:16] | |
| Apocalyptic | as any other type of sugar | [22:16] |
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| Pierre_Rochard | saifedean: looking forward to savoring your restaurant’s lamb shank one day | [22:30] |
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| cazalla | https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net qntra continues to lose traffic, it's dead | [22:35] |
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| cazalla | twozerofive doesn't come around here much now | [22:48] |
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| gribble | I have not seen twozerofive. | [22:49] |
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| mike_c | 502, get it. bad gateway. | [22:49] |
| cazalla | did not occur to me | [22:49] |
| mike_c | it's like l33t speek | [22:50] |
| cazalla | obvious now that you pointed it out | [22:50] |
| mike_c | oh no, i didn't get it either. he explained it in channel at some point. | [22:50] |
| mike_c | all the best jokes require explanation. | [22:50] |
| rithm | his name was robert paulsen | [22:51] |
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