Forum logs for 10 Mar 2013

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

Bowjob	this is looking more like a 600 BTC heist	[00:00]
Bowjob	and 30,000 dice share heist	[00:00]
MJR_	yeah, they aren't doing anything that you or I couldn't do ourselves	[00:00]
MJR_	but they are using their time to do those stupid tasks	[00:00]
mircea_popescu	MJR_ i dunno what the use is tho	[00:00]
mircea_popescu	basically... more spam	[00:00]
MJR_	maybe. SEO	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[00:01]
MJR_	Attract new customers	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	Bowjob sucks.	[00:01]
kakobrekla	Bowjob urlpls?	[00:02]
MJR_	mostly have your article reposted with a Forbes.com or CNN.com domain attached	[00:02]
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MJR_	ok guys I am switching to my real name	[00:03]
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*	MJR_ is now known as Josh_Rossi	[00:04]
kakobrekla	lol	[00:05]
Josh_Rossi	this is weird	[00:05]
Josh_Rossi	my first name is reall Maximo	[00:05]
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kakobrekla	Bowjob link?	[00:06]
Bowjob	umm	[00:06]
Bowjob	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=63614	[00:07]
Bowjob	Hasn't been online since the 4th	[00:07]
Bowjob	he was due for march 8th for his first payment	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	tho in fairness, isn't he working in like shipping ?	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	or oil or something ?	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	like, away for weeks ?	[00:07]
Bowjob	mhm, not sure	[00:07]
Bowjob	if he works in oil..	[00:07]
Bowjob	there should be some internet at least	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	depends.	[00:08]
pigeons	heh, not on the rigs	[00:08]
Bowjob	he works in alberta,.. yah its like 34 dollars per hour there	[00:08]
Bowjob	mcdonalds people make $14 per hour	[00:08]
Bowjob	but rent there is very exp	[00:08]
Bowjob	ill stay in vancouver lol	[00:08]
Bowjob	also, again he's late in his first payment thats defaulting right there	[00:08]
Josh_Rossi	good luck :)	[00:08]
Bowjob	"Short BTC600 @ $34.50"	[00:09]
Bowjob	Says on his profile	[00:09]
Josh_Rossi	yep	[00:09]
Bowjob	bad move imo	[00:09]
Bowjob	you do not short BTC	[00:09]
Bowjob	lol	[00:09]
Josh_Rossi	$6000 down or so?	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	le ouch	[00:10]
Bowjob	yah	[00:10]
Bowjob	oh and thats just principal	[00:10]
Josh_Rossi	he is up on his sdice though	[00:10]
Bowjob	theres interest too	[00:10]
Bowjob	dude his dice short isnt much to cover for it	[00:10]
Josh_Rossi	yeah	[00:10]
Josh_Rossi	just saying	[00:10]
FabianB_	if anyone is interested in an MPEx client that supports its IRC bots: https://github.com/fawuxi/mpex	[00:10]
FabianB_	still a little rough, but works for me	[00:10]
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Bowjob	around march 22 we should see something interesting	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140472.msg1589556#msg1589556	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	seems cablepair was well known scammer ?! is this factual ?	[00:11]
Bowjob	thats where coinlab starts playing	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	Bowjob where he shiorted at ? 60 ?	[00:11]
Bowjob	0.62	[00:11]
Josh_Rossi	do you calculate based on last or on bid?	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	o wow FabianB_ !	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	ppl please test his bot.	[00:11]
Josh_Rossi	cuz at one point it was at 35	[00:12]
mircea_popescu	well, if he closed at 35 then he's golden	[00:12]
Josh_Rossi	yes	[00:13]
FabianB_	didn't try it on non-unix systems yet, hope it works there too though	[00:13]
mircea_popescu	if not, he's up	[00:13]
mircea_popescu	like 3-4 btc	[00:13]
Josh_Rossi	!calc 40,000 * .0012	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 40,000 * .0012	[00:15]
gribble	Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 40000 * .0012	[00:15]
gribble	48.0	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	course mkt depth shows lowest ask at 58.8	[00:15]
Josh_Rossi	up 48 btc if its at .005	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	that'd be 3.2 not 12	[00:15]
Josh_Rossi	oh nice	[00:15]
Josh_Rossi	for me that is	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	and cause of slippage buying 40k takes avg price more to like 59.5	[00:16]
Josh_Rossi	ooh, when does he have to settle his position?	[00:16]
Bowjob	may 1st	[00:16]
Bowjob	i think	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	that may be painful.	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	with asicminer blowing over...	[00:16]
Bowjob	May 17 2013.	[00:17]
Bowjob	there	[00:17]
Bowjob	I weep for Basic victims	[00:18]
Bowjob	but I laugh at BFL victims.. I seem to be irrational	[00:19]
Bowjob	>_>	[00:19]
Bowjob	Stockholm syndrome is hilarious	[00:19]
Josh_Rossi	hehehe	[00:21]
Josh_Rossi	who lent him the shares to short?	[00:21]
Bowjob	it was tradefortress for 7k, and some random dude at 30k	[00:22]
kakobrekla	and TF runs a 'fund'	[00:22]
kakobrekla	prolly shares from there?	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	prolly.	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	Bowjob https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=151265.0	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	it does look sad.	[00:23]
Bowjob	i just skimmed thru it, asic miner, popped?	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	financials don't look too good	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	and they blew their ipo	[00:24]
Bowjob	oh i see	[00:24]
Bowjob	im watching max keiser.. show. he seems like a nutjob over btc	[00:25]
Bowjob	i mean i want btc to go as much as the next person, but he seems shady	[00:25]
Bowjob	lol	[00:25]
kakobrekla	he mentioned before, but now he met everwhores	[00:25]
kakobrekla	and he is hyped	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	ahahahaaaa	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	omfg that is totally it.	[00:25]
Bowjob	is he for real lol	[00:25]
kakobrekla	for srs	[00:26]
kakobrekla	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=151182.0	[00:26]
Bowjob	lol	[00:27]
Bowjob	i dunno. max seems like a used car salesman	[00:27]
Bowjob	and a snake oil peddler	[00:27]
kakobrekla	hes fucked up on btc	[00:27]
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Josh_Rossi	yes	[00:27]
Josh_Rossi	I said earlier that he sounds like he's on meth	[00:28]
smickles	bitcoin jesus? i'll just go back in my hole	[00:28]
Josh_Rossi	also, he loves btc, but I don't think he knows a lot about them	[00:28]
mircea_popescu	smickles how many geebuses have we had so far?	[00:28]
smickles	I really don't keep track	[00:29]
Bowjob	i tell my friends every now and then about bitcoin.. but i dont say i'll be rich over it	[00:29]
smickles	once, at a beer pong table, I was called jesus. I forgave them.	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	you do look kinda jesusy	[00:30]
smickles	'specially with my hair down	[00:30]
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mjr_	lol my whole office asks me every day	[00:39]
mjr_	so where are they at today?	[00:39]
kakobrekla	hehe	[00:39]
mjr_	a coworker wanted to short them	[00:40]
Bowjob	ouch	[00:40]
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Bowjob	how much are asicminer shares now	[00:40]
mjr_	so at first he told me that we should just say that i would owe him a dollar for every dollar it goes down and he would owe me a dollar for every dollar it goes up	[00:41]
kakobrekla	!ticker btct asicminer-pt	[00:41]
assbot	[BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.679 / 0.90177 / 1 (166 shares, 149.7 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.68589 / 1 (1170 shares, 802.5 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.68589 / 1 (1170 shares, 802.5 BTC)	[00:41]
mjr_	lol	[00:41]
Bowjob	0.6 per share???	[00:41]
mjr_	I was too nice and told him I didn't want him writing naked calls	[00:41]
kakobrekla	0.6 was the low	[00:41]
Bowjob	so almost 1 btc [er share	[00:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.57 BTC [+]	[00:42]
Bowjob	isnt that kinda too high	[00:42]
Bowjob	lol	[00:42]
kakobrekla	0.9 avg	[00:42]
mjr_	like I know my risk it's $45	[00:42]
mjr_	you could be on the hook for millions	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	mjr_ why not just use the mpex options i don't get it ?!	[00:42]
mjr_	he doesn't have any bitcoins	[00:43]
mjr_	and I already use the mpex options	[00:43]
*	mjr_ bought the 41 call	[00:43]
mjr_	this month	[00:43]
mjr_	that was before it had hit 32 I think but I don't remember	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	lol	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	so if he doesn't have btc, why are we talking to huim lol	[00:44]
mjr_	OIX :)	[00:44]
mjr_	like I said he's my coworker	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	o you two work together ?	[00:45]
mjr_	yep	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	o nm nm	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	i was thinking we're still discussing bakewell	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	my bad	[00:45]
mjr_	nah all good	[00:45]
mjr_	ok so I registered	[00:46]
mjr_	now I want to set up the pgp signature	[00:46]
Bowjob	http://blockchain.info/charts/market-price?timespan=180days&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address=	[00:46]
Namworld	the heck	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	Namworld Bowjob they had a db issue	[00:47]
Namworld	BTC was worth 45 USD all that time, just no one knew about it...	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	lost some data it seems	[00:48]
Namworld	I prefer my explanation	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	lolk	[00:48]
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jborkl_	!mp http://dpaste.com/1017659/	[00:49]
assbot	Processing.	[00:49]
assbot	Response: http://dpaste.com/1017661/plain/	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	jborkl_ paste an address	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	this is getting painful to watch	[00:50]
kakobrekla	!mp http://dpaste.com/1017669/	[00:51]
assbot	Processing.	[00:51]
assbot	Response: http://dpaste.com/1017670/plain/	[00:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.58999999 BTC [+]	[00:52]
Bowjob	quite a nice recovery	[00:52]
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Bowjob	on dice	[00:52]
mircea_popescu	i like how this channel jumped to like 130 users lately.	[00:53]
kakobrekla	moar spam	[00:53]
kakobrekla	well accually is not bad.	[00:54]
kakobrekla	seen it worse	[00:54]
benkay	what's in the !mp output - a dump of the current order book?	[00:54]
kakobrekla	!help	[00:56]
assbot	List of commands:	[00:56]
assbot	!ticker (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)	[00:56]
assbot	!mp (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)	[00:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [+]	[00:58]
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benkay	"returns the response from MPEX order" - means that i can place orders via dpaste (given encryption etc)?	[00:59]
kakobrekla	ya	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	benkay exactly.	[00:59]
benkay	thank you.	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	if you want a dump of the book do	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	$mdepth	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	if you want a dump of the vwap do	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	$vwap	[01:00]
mpexbot	mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/F8TXg0DP	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	wtf, i got them mixed ?	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	$help	[01:00]
mpexbot	mircea_popescu: (help [ ] []) -- This command gives a useful description of what does. is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	$help mdepth	[01:00]
mpexbot	mircea_popescu: Error: There is no command "mdepth".	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	hm	[01:00]
kakobrekla	its w/o m	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	o ty	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	$depth	[01:00]
mpexbot	mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/k55tiUtd	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	and if you want details of individual symbols in easier format here, benkay	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	you do	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	!ticker m s.dice	[01:01]
assbot	[MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00549999 / 0.00549999 / 0.0055 (1650 shares, 9.07 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.00548202 / 0.006225 (503030 shares, 2,757.62 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00616219 / 0.0069 (3738644 shares, 23,038.26 BTC)	[01:01]
mjr_	;;gpg eregister JoshRossi C286BB96FE9B6CD3	[01:02]
gribble	Request successful for user JoshRossi, hostmask mjr_!~mjr@cpe-68-174-114-54.nyc.res.rr.com. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/C286BB96FE9B6CD3	[01:02]
mjr_	nice	[01:03]
mjr_	so now I'm part of the web of trust?	[01:04]
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m0mchil	makomk malaimo Mandrius maximian midnightmagic MiningBuddy mircea_popescu miscreanity mjr_ mod6 molec molecular mpexbot	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	;;gettrust mjr_	[01:04]
gribble	Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user mjr_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=mircea_popescu&dest=mjr_	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	not for me :D	[01:04]
mjr_	lol	[01:04]
mjr_	I meant ability to be trusted not trusted yet	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	;;ident joshrossi	[01:05]
gribble	Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	;;gpg info joshrossi	[01:05]
gribble	No such user registered.	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	npe.	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	;;gpg info JoshRossi	[01:05]
gribble	No such user registered.	[01:05]
mjr_	;;eauth JoshRossi	[01:05]
gribble	Error: This nick is not registered. Please register.	[01:05]
mjr_	ok...	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	you need to handle the opt first.	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	i guess	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	btw FabianB_ do you read chinese ?	[01:07]
FabianB_	mircea_popescu: not really, just speak very little	[01:07]
mircea_popescu	a ok	[01:07]
Bowjob	so is ian bakewell a scam or not	[01:07]
mircea_popescu	Bowjob give it a week or two.	[01:08]
kakobrekla	;;eightball ian	[01:08]
gribble	It is possible.	[01:08]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha	[01:08]
mircea_popescu	;;cookie gribble	[01:08]
gribble	Error: "cookie" is not a valid command.	[01:08]
Bowjob	lol	[01:08]
Bowjob	hehe	[01:08]
Bowjob	the bot	[01:08]
Bowjob	lol	[01:08]
jMyles	So - I'm not sure if I'm being too forward by asking this - is there a way to invest in asicminer?	[01:09]
FabianB_	mircea_popescu: chinese traders asking you and the faq translater where mpex went?	[01:09]
jMyles	(and to see what kind of activity is happening?)	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	FabianB_ no, just wanted to see about how sucky the chiense version is	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	jMyles you're never too forward by asking.	[01:10]
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mircea_popescu	there's a btct passthrough and a bitfunder passthrough.	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	their contractual basis is maybe shaky, do your dd	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	to see activity,	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	!ticker btct asicminer-pt	[01:10]
assbot	[BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.69 / 0.90312 / 1 (165 shares, 149 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.68589 / 1 (1170 shares, 802.5 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.68589 / 1 (1170 shares, 802.5 BTC)	[01:10]
jMyles	mircea_popescu: but it looks like the passthroughs have only paid two dividends?	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	ukto has yet STILL NOT ADDED BF	[01:10]
jarpiain	jborkl_ jcpham JimmyHo3 jMyles jurov JWU42	[01:10]
jarpiain	jborkl_ jcpham JimmyHo3 jMyles jurov JWU42	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	jMyles i really haven't been keeping tabs so i dunno	[01:11]
Ukto	me add what?	[01:11]
Ukto	to the bot?	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	your feed! yes!	[01:12]
Bowjob	http://i.imgur.com/MSEOcWe.png	[01:12]
Ukto	i have websocket	[01:12]
*	Ukto shrug	[01:12]
Bowjob	we've been oddly stable for a while now	[01:12]
Ukto	assbot doesnt support it	[01:12]
Bowjob	the bids look weak however	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	Bowjob looks like mpoe lol	[01:12]
Bowjob	lol	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	Ukto can't you just make a json somewhere ?	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	at least !ticker will work then	[01:12]
mjr_	;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:2c057cc8dff074ee13a20df82b057767f81844e56105610c250b4618	[01:12]
gribble	Error: In order to authenticate, you must be present in one of the following channels: #bitcoin-otc;#bitcoin-otc-foyer;#bitcoin-otc-ru;#bitcoin-otc-eu;#bitcoin-otc-uk;#bitcoin-otc-bans	[01:13]
Bowjob	this is calm before the storm. come monday theres gonna be a shitstorm	[01:13]
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mircea_popescu	ya but prolly on the upside.	[01:13]
Ukto	mircea_popescu: yeah, but its being changed due to request	[01:13]
Ukto	and its low priority	[01:13]
Ukto	whereas websocket is ready	[01:13]
Ukto	besides	[01:13]
Ukto	i am debating not doing get/post anymore	[01:13]
Ukto	and leaving it purely to websocket	[01:13]
Ukto	to keep load off the server	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	we're going to end up with a third party interpreter here ?	[01:13]
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Ukto	get/post is so archaic	[01:14]
Ukto	websockets are far far superior. lets get with the times :)	[01:14]
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mircea_popescu	whatever way you do it, it pisses me off when i can't ticker.	[01:15]
mod6	getting there!	[01:15]
mod6	(15:00) < BitOTTer755> $vwap	[01:15]
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*	mod6 keeps building	[01:15]
mjr_	ident JoshRossi	[01:16]
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mircea_popescu	lol cool mod6	[01:16]
mjr_	;;ident JoshRossi	[01:16]
gribble	Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	also! mod6 : look at FabianB_ commit	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	https://github.com/fawuxi	[01:16]
mjr_	ident mjr_	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	might have stuff there you need for your own botcode	[01:16]
mjr_	;;ident mjr_	[01:16]
gribble	Nick 'mjr_', with hostmask 'mjr_!~mjr@cpe-68-174-114-54.nyc.res.rr.com', is not identified.	[01:16]
gabridome	!help	[01:18]
assbot	List of commands:	[01:18]
FabianB_	it's still pretty ugly and needs refactoring, but it's there and it works	[01:18]
assbot	!ticker (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)	[01:18]
assbot	!mp (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)	[01:18]
mod6	thx mircea_popescu, his is Ruby but might come in handy...	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	o wow, ruby ?	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	FabianB_ aren;'t you concerned by the numerous breaches lately ?	[01:20]
FabianB_	mircea_popescu: not at all, all those braches are Rails related	[01:20]
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mircea_popescu	ah, this is not ror just ruby ?	[01:20]
FabianB_	jup	[01:21]
FabianB_	never liked ror	[01:21]
FabianB_	ror is not ruby	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	kk	[01:21]
benkay	never liked ruby	[01:21]
benkay	;	[01:21]
benkay	;)	[01:21]
FabianB_	and of course a commandline client doesn't need any web stuff	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	FabianB_ the concern is that some unwittign user may be running a web server on his home computer w/o knowing	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	this is common for windows users for instance	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	then he could end up raped unexpectedly.	[01:22]
mjr_	rape is rarely expected	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	exactly :D	[01:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.595 = 1.19 BTC [+]	[01:23]
FabianB_	mircea_popescu: not through my code, only if my code (or a library i use) is itself insecure or if that user is integrating it into his lame ror	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	kay.	[01:23]
benkay	i would expect at least one rorbro to do something like that	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	benkay at least it's been publicly mentioned, it's known about etc.	[01:24]
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mjrIII	ok now i can try to get this WOT thing working	[01:25]
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FabianB_	mircea_popescu: actually it started as a more featureful alternative to pympex for me; used it for a while	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	cool	[01:26]
FabianB_	i just added the IRC stuff today	[01:26]
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aethero	!help	[01:29]
assbot	List of commands:	[01:29]
assbot	!ticker (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)	[01:29]
assbot	!mp (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)	[01:29]
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aethero	what's the latest on mpex?	[01:35]
Namworld	DDoS	[01:35]
Josh_Rossi	;;gpg eregister Josh_Rossi C286BB96FE9B6CD3	[01:35]
gribble	Request successful for user Josh_Rossi, hostmask Josh_Rossi!~mjr@cpe-68-174-114-54.nyc.res.rr.com. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/C286BB96FE9B6CD3	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	aethero https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=138956.msg1605252#msg1605252 is a good point to staert	[01:35]
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aethero	Expected ETA for the site itself?	[01:36]
aethero	Going strictly onion?	[01:36]
Josh_Rossi	;;ident Josh_Rossi	[01:38]
gribble	Nick 'Josh_Rossi', with hostmask 'Josh_Rossi!~mjr@cpe-68-174-114-54.nyc.res.rr.com', is identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address None	[01:38]
mircea_popescu	aethero there are bots trading here. there will be an onion up, but im not sure tor can take the load.	[01:39]
mircea_popescu	there is a 10gb dedicated connection with muchly beefed up setups coming online asap.	[01:39]
aethero	ever going on clearweb again	[01:39]
mircea_popescu	there have been problems with supplying the hardware and so forth. I think next week is a safe estimate	[01:39]
Josh_Rossi	nice...arista?	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[01:40]
Josh_Rossi	we got one arista 10gb	[01:41]
Josh_Rossi	and i also got to play with a force10	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	aethero anyway, proving that mpex can work w/o website is an important point here.	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	i want that to sink in well.	[01:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 1.7 = 5.1 BTC [+]	[01:44]
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assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C470T] 720 @ 0.18196843 = 131.0173 BTC [+]	[01:45]
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Josh_Rossi	;;gettrust Josh_Rossi	[01:52]
gribble	Trust relationship from user Josh_Rossi to user Josh_Rossi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=Josh_Rossi&dest=Josh_Rossi	[01:52]
Josh_Rossi	;;gettrust mircea_popescu	[01:53]
gribble	Trust relationship from user Josh_Rossi to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=Josh_Rossi&dest=mircea_popescu	[01:53]
Josh_Rossi	well looks like i got it working	[01:53]
Josh_Rossi	but i would like to add an address to it	[01:53]
FabianB_	;;ident Josh_Rossi	[01:53]
gribble	Nick 'Josh_Rossi', with hostmask 'Josh_Rossi!~mjr@cpe-68-174-114-54.nyc.res.rr.com', is identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address None	[01:53]
Josh_Rossi	;;rate mircea_popescu +3	[01:55]
gribble	Error: You have to have received some ratings in order to rate other users.	[01:55]
Josh_Rossi	ah ok	[01:55]
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mjr_	;;eauth Josh_Rossi	[01:55]
gribble	Request successful for user Josh_Rossi, hostmask mjr_!~mjr@cpe-68-174-114-54.nyc.res.rr.com. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/C286BB96FE9B6CD3	[01:55]
Josh_Rossi	;;getinfo Josh_Rossi	[01:57]
gribble	Error: "getinfo" is not a valid command.	[01:57]
Josh_Rossi	.authenticate	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	;;eauth mircea_popescu	[01:59]
gribble	Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452	[01:59]
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mircea_popescu	;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:3f37b219dbeef705e0d0715acbc922c60d94b6b639c29a17c94779ac	[02:01]
gribble	You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	;;rate Josh_Rossi 1 He's a noob.	[02:02]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Josh_Rossi has been recorded.	[02:02]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7752 BTC [-]	[02:02]
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Josh_Rossi	;;ident Josh_Rossi	[02:07]
gribble	Nick 'Josh_Rossi', with hostmask 'Josh_Rossi!~mjr@cpe-68-174-114-54.nyc.res.rr.com', is not identified.	[02:07]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 1.7 = 8.5 BTC [+]	[02:18]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-GOLD] 1 @ 0.01001 BTC [-]	[02:21]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-GOLD] 9 @ 0.01 = 0.09 BTC [-]	[02:21]
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mod6	ok this is getting a bit better... (16:21) <@mod6> http://pastebin.com/C1dT6RrM	[02:21]
mod6	(16:21) < BitOTTer569> PasteBin Key: C1dT6RrM	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	haha is that your little ircbot ?	[02:22]
mod6	yeah. the old Net::IRC is like uber deprecated	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	supy ?	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	or no cause you were doing perl neh ?	[02:22]
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mod6	just changing these scripts to be able to connect to IRC and issue a command, get a response, parse it, then grab the URL or Key parsed, grab the raw data from the paste, and then display.	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	ya but what bot is it ? bitch ?	[02:23]
mod6	haha, i rolled my own	[02:23]
Josh_Rossi	nice mod6	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	o all the wya ?!	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	wow. well done.	[02:23]
Josh_Rossi	I am trying to set this up now	[02:24]
mod6	well, with this lib: POE::Component::IRC	[02:24]
Josh_Rossi	;;ident	[02:24]
gribble	You are not identified.	[02:24]
Josh_Rossi	;;eauth	[02:24]
mod6	so that has all of the commands and some subroutines to help with connect and sessions, etc.	[02:24]
gribble	(eauth ) -- Initiate authentication for user . You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.	[02:24]
mircea_popescu	someone should totally make a lispbot implementation.	[02:24]
mod6	thx mircea_popescu, ima keep working on it for the next few days. hopefully get it to a spot that's pretty functional.	[02:25]
mod6	ahh lisp	[02:25]
mod6	even seen scheme?	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	mod6 isn't it funny that as you make progress mpex also adds shit ?	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	yea	[02:25]
mod6	yeah its good though	[02:26]
mod6	:D	[02:26]
mircea_popescu	hehe	[02:26]
mod6	ima keep going here. thx guys.	[02:26]
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Josh_Rossi	awesome	[02:27]
Josh_Rossi	this is starting to work	[02:27]
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Josh_Rossi	;;ident	[02:30]
gribble	You are not identified.	[02:30]
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the-bucket-shop	!ticker m s.bbet	[02:30]
assbot	[MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0015 / 0.00174357 / 0.00197 (80200 shares, 139.83 BTC), 30D: 0.0015 / 0.00178893 / 0.00197 (111808 shares, 200.02 BTC)	[02:30]
the-bucket-shop	!ticker m s.dice	[02:31]
assbot	[MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00549999 / 0.00549999 / 0.0055 (1650 shares, 9.07 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.00547927 / 0.006225 (500573 shares, 2,742.78 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00616216 / 0.0069 (3735257 shares, 23,017.26 BTC)	[02:31]
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Josh_Rossi	;;ident	[02:34]
gribble	You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address None	[02:34]
Josh_Rossi	awesome	[02:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.5949999 = 1.19 BTC [-]	[02:35]
Josh_Rossi	got the mirc script to work	[02:35]
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mircea_popescu	wd	[02:38]
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BitHub	whats the price for asicminer today fokes?	[02:38]
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mircea_popescu	!ticker btct asicminer-pt	[02:39]
assbot	[BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.7 / 0.91596 / 1 (156 shares, 142.9 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.68597 / 1 (1171 shares, 803.3 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.68597 / 1 (1171 shares, 803.3 BTC)	[02:39]
Josh_Rossi	;;ident	[02:39]
gribble	You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address None	[02:39]
BitHub	thanks mircea	[02:40]
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mircea_popescu	!ticker m p750t	[02:41]
assbot	[MPEX:O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1D: 0.89918038 / 0.90051586 / 0.90144085 (2375 shares, 2,138.73 BTC), 7D: 0.85433966 / 0.9786482 / 1.12260046 (23750 shares, 23,242.89 BTC), 30D: 0.85433966 / 1.06533167 / 1.53153505 (28750 shares, 30,628.29 BTC)	[02:41]
mircea_popescu	aaa kickass	[02:41]
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BitHub	!ticker m asicminer	[02:42]
assbot	You know, I've had it up to here with this Indian malarkey.	[02:42]
BitHub	!ticker m asicminer-pt	[02:42]
assbot	Good morning, may you serve the Lord, and may His holy dominion guide you through your dismal life.	[02:42]
mircea_popescu	!ticker btct asic	[02:43]
assbot	The eagle never lost so much time as when he submitted to learn from the crow.	[02:43]
mircea_popescu	!ticker btct asicmin	[02:43]
assbot	You had the last Philistine. This one's mine.	[02:43]
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mircea_popescu	!ticker btct asicminer-pt	[02:43]
assbot	[BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.7 / 0.91596 / 1 (156 shares, 142.9 BTC), 7D: 0.65 / 0.68597 / 1 (1171 shares, 803.3 BTC), 30D: 0.65 / 0.68597 / 1 (1171 shares, 803.3 BTC)	[02:43]
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MJR_	hi	[02:44]
BitHub	selling my asicminer shares for 1.8 each	[02:44]
BitHub	i'm out	[02:44]
MJR_	;;ident	[02:45]
gribble	You are not identified.	[02:45]
Josh_Rossi	;;ident	[02:45]
gribble	You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address None	[02:45]
jcpham	What is asicminer paying per dividend	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	like 0.019 last one iirc	[02:45]
Josh_Rossi	hmmm this is weird	[02:46]
Josh_Rossi	if you look my other nick	[02:47]
Josh_Rossi	mjr_	[02:47]
Josh_Rossi	you can see i have identified as Josh_Rossi	[02:47]
mircea_popescu	Josh_Rossi gribble doens't go by nickserv accounts	[02:47]
mircea_popescu	it just looks at the user.	[02:47]
Josh_Rossi	ah ok	[02:47]
Josh_Rossi	so it has to see Josh_Rossi	[02:47]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[02:48]
Josh_Rossi	in order to identify me?	[02:48]
mircea_popescu	no	[02:48]
Josh_Rossi	aha	[02:48]
mircea_popescu	if you identify as Josh_Rossi from any account	[02:48]
jcpham	Facepalmdeskfloor	[02:48]
mircea_popescu	it will keep track of that name you identified from.	[02:48]
mircea_popescu	so mjr can identify as Josh_Rossi and for gribble mjr will be Josh_Rossi for as long as mjr doesn't part.	[02:48]
Josh_Rossi	ok	[02:49]
Josh_Rossi	going to be hard to get an ident script working with my phone	[02:49]
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Bowjob	;;eightball ian	[02:50]
gribble	Obviously.	[02:50]
Bowjob	hes a scammer	[02:50]
Bowjob	eight ball says so lol	[02:50]
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Josh_Rossi	lol	[02:50]
Josh_Rossi	so basically how it works is that NickServe and gribble BOTH maintain separate identity for a given user	[02:51]
Josh_Rossi	;;ident	[02:51]
gribble	You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address None	[02:51]
mircea_popescu	Josh_Rossi exactly.	[02:51]
Josh_Rossi	hmmm	[02:51]
Bowjob	;;eightball is Ian Bakewell a scammer?	[02:52]
gribble	_I_ don't know.	[02:52]
Bowjob	Mhm	[02:52]
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Bowjob	We will test eightball's honesty	[02:52]
Bowjob	;;eightball Did I play with myself lastnight?	[02:53]
gribble	Naturally.	[02:53]
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Bowjob	Fuck. He's legit	[02:53]
Josh_Rossi	;;ident	[02:53]
gribble	You are not identified.	[02:53]
mjr_	;;ident	[02:53]
gribble	You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address None	[02:53]
mjr_	well that didn't work	[02:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C470T] 1000 @ 0.18345453 = 183.4545 BTC [+]	[02:54]
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BitOTTer983	$vwap	[02:54]
mpexbot	BitOTTer983: http://pastebin.com/dS1nAB1R	[02:54]
BitOTTer983	http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=dS1nAB1R	[02:54]
mjr_	how am i supposed to decrypt my OTP from my phone...i mean i could write a program that does it, but it is tough	[02:54]
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mircea_popescu	mjr_ mod6 is working on stuff like that.	[02:54]
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mod6	yeah, i'm re-building all scripts to interact with the bots.	[02:55]
jborkl_	!mp http://dpaste.com/#webpg-link	[02:56]
assbot	Processing.	[02:56]
assbot	Response: http://dpaste.com/1017761/plain/	[02:56]
mod6	and mainly what i can make work in this one is gonna go into the end thingy, whatever it becomes	[02:56]
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mjr_	hmmm but i thought he was doing it for android	[02:57]
mircea_popescu	android is a phone neh ?	[02:57]
mjr_	oh yes, of course	[02:57]
mod6	lol, doing it for that too, but now that's gonna be all f'd up	[02:57]
mjr_	i just meant i have an iphone	[02:57]
jborkl_	Ok, I finally figured it out- key managers are conflicting	[02:57]
mod6	thanks again guys, just needed to make sure that i could ping mpexbot and get the respone and all	[02:58]
mjr_	this is funny though...to me at least	[02:58]
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mjr_	;;ident	[02:58]
gribble	You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address None	[02:58]
Josh_Rossi	;;ident	[02:58]
gribble	You are not identified.	[02:58]
mircea_popescu	jborkl_ not much surprise there.	[02:58]
jborkl_	No, it is not- they are a pain in the ass	[02:59]
mjr_	ok my iphone is at least jailbroken so let's see if we can get gpg :)	[02:59]
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jborkl_	!mp http://dpaste.com/1017771/	[03:01]
assbot	Processing.	[03:01]
assbot	Response: http://dpaste.com/1017772/plain/	[03:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C470T] 316 @ 0.18372792 = 58.058 BTC [+]	[03:05]
mircea_popescu	!ticker m ^oix	[03:05]
assbot	[MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 38.36519878 / 50.18328999 / 50.5301272 (no shares, 16,402.55 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)	[03:05]
mircea_popescu	50 again huh	[03:05]
mjr_	yep, i think that is so far the best leading indicator i've seen	[03:07]
mjr_	so, i have gpg on my iphone now	[03:08]
the-bucket-shop	!mp http://dpaste.com/1017775/	[03:08]
assbot	Processing.	[03:08]
error4733	TAKE MY MONEY	[03:08]
assbot	Response: http://dpaste.com/1017776/plain/	[03:08]
mjr_	but i really don't want to go back and forth between a terminal window with a touchscreen and colloquy	[03:08]
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Josh_Rossi	;;ident	[03:13]
gribble	You are not identified.	[03:13]
Josh_Rossi	;;eauth Josh_Rossi	[03:13]
gribble	Request successful for user Josh_Rossi, hostmask Josh_Rossi!~mjr@cpe-68-174-114-54.nyc.res.rr.com. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/C286BB96FE9B6CD3	[03:13]
mod6	ok sorry guys, but after 10 mins the pastebin expires, gotta re-conn and get a fresh one	[03:14]
mod6	im now getting back the raw vwap, just need to make sure that I'm parsing correctly as before...	[03:14]
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BitOTTer315	$vwap	[03:15]
mpexbot	BitOTTer315: http://pastebin.com/ZTNPuLZJ	[03:15]
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mircea_popescu	!ticker m s.mpoe	[03:18]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00067638 / 0.00067638 / 0.00067638 (1 shares, 0.00 BTC), 7D: 0.00067334 / 0.00074892 / 0.00078628 (10680545 shares, 7,998.94 BTC), 30D: 0.0006153 / 0.00068474 / 0.00078628 (58685013 shares, 40,184.02 BTC)	[03:18]
mircea_popescu	mod6 nothing to be sorry about lol	[03:19]
mircea_popescu	in other news, the #bitcoin-assets log for this current month (9 days!) is over 1mb	[03:21]
the-bucket-shop	!mp http://dpaste.com/1017790/	[03:21]
assbot	Processing.	[03:21]
assbot	Response: http://dpaste.com/1017791/plain/	[03:21]
mod6	mircea_popescu: i just feel bad for the conn/dis-conns	[03:23]
mod6	but check it out ;)	[03:23]
mod6	http://dpaste.com/1017793/	[03:23]
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mod6	she works	[03:23]
mircea_popescu	a cool	[03:24]
mod6	ok one more quick test, i'll check a different MPSIC	[03:27]
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BitOTTer509	$vwap	[03:27]
mpexbot	BitOTTer509: http://pastebin.com/PXDfa3ar	[03:27]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.7 BTC [+]	[03:28]
mod6	ok works pretty decent, a good rough start: http://dpaste.com/1017798/	[03:28]
mircea_popescu	i tell you this shit's pretty exciting	[03:28]
mircea_popescu	challenge brings innovation, as they say	[03:28]
mircea_popescu	ddos is one of the better things that happened to mpex so far	[03:29]
mircea_popescu	incredible huh.	[03:29]
mjr_	its amazing	[03:30]
mjr_	this is the future	[03:30]
mod6	=)	[03:31]
mircea_popescu	good designs well administered shall prevail	[03:31]
mod6	ok i cleaned that up, now i gotta do one more test then i can check it into github for yall	[03:32]
Bowjob	What do you guys think of google glasses	[03:32]
mod6	(just vwap is finished for now, will finish others over next few days...)	[03:32]
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BitOTTer578	$vwap	[03:33]
mpexbot	BitOTTer578: http://pastebin.com/xBthcKyb	[03:33]
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mjr_	this kinda reminds me of an xkcd... http://xkcd.com/504/	[03:33]
Bowjob	;;ticker	[03:34]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 47.54224, Best ask: 47.89850, Bid-ask spread: 0.35626, Last trade: 47.89858, 24 hour volume: 46494.02049522, 24 hour low: 43.41100, 24 hour high: 47.89860, 24 hour vwap: 45.71103	[03:34]
Bowjob	...	[03:35]
Bowjob	wtf is this	[03:35]
Bowjob	Weekend rally	[03:35]
Bowjob	What vodoo is this	[03:35]
mjr_	http://xkcd.com/1181/ or this one LOL	[03:35]
mjr_	i know, i was hoping for a dip	[03:35]
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mircea_popescu	where's the coinlab pr spam with "mpex indomitable, btc surges"	[03:38]
mod6	ok, the vwap one is finished (for the moment) and checked in: https://github.com/modsix/bitotter_perl/blob/master/bitotter_vwap.pl	[03:41]
mjr_	hmmm	[03:41]
mod6	anyway, im ciked that was so simple. can't do more must find a cold pizza to eat somewherez!	[03:41]
mjr_	just realized that now mpex is only for mpex registered people...	[03:41]
benkay	ouch	[03:41]
benkay	dat fee	[03:42]
mircea_popescu	mjr_ that was always the case ?!	[03:42]
mjr_	from market data perspective i mean	[03:42]
mircea_popescu	why ?	[03:42]
mjr_	do the other commands not come encrypted?	[03:42]
mjr_	hold on i am gonna try it out	[03:42]
mircea_popescu	nope	[03:42]
mircea_popescu	plaintext	[03:42]
mircea_popescu	$depth	[03:42]
mjr_	oh ok cool	[03:42]
mpexbot	mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/RCZCr6Uk	[03:42]
benkay	!help	[03:44]
assbot	List of commands:	[03:44]
assbot	!ticker (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)	[03:44]
assbot	!mp (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)	[03:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00074997 = 1.4999 BTC [+]	[03:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27999 @ 0.00074998 = 20.9987 BTC [+]	[03:44]
benkay	mircea_popescu: what commands are available for the mpexbot?	[03:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40000 @ 0.00074999 = 29.9996 BTC [+]	[03:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19317 @ 0.00075 = 14.4878 BTC [+]	[03:44]
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mircea_popescu	benkay $post $depth $vwap	[03:45]
benkay	thank you.	[03:45]
mjr_	ah very cool	[03:45]
benkay	$vwap	[03:45]
mpexbot	benkay: http://pastebin.com/xaBQwgvC	[03:45]
benkay	what does vwap stand for?	[03:45]
mircea_popescu	volume weighted average price	[03:45]
mjr_	volume weighted average price	[03:45]
benkay	volume weighted average..	[03:45]
benkay	price!	[03:45]
mircea_popescu	ha!	[03:45]
benkay	thanks.	[03:45]
mircea_popescu	you can also inspect these one at a time with assbot's !ticker	[03:46]
mjr_	lol, was just thinking about back in the days when we were discussing mpex fee being around $450	[03:46]
mjr_	and just realized that it will now be around $1500	[03:47]
benkay	jeeze mp	[03:47]
mircea_popescu	i always said it's only going up.	[03:47]
mjr_	hyperinflation	[03:47]
mjr_	in the usd	[03:47]
mjr_	and that is true	[03:47]
mircea_popescu	the usual consumerist "o, i'll just wait" is suicide here.	[03:47]
mjr_	you did say that	[03:47]
mircea_popescu	the longer one waits the more painful it gets.	[03:47]
mjr_	hmmm that is a good point	[03:47]
Bowjob	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=149892.0	[03:48]
mjr_	this is a whole new world	[03:48]
Bowjob	I nominate pirateat40 for the documentary	[03:48]
mjr_	typically...if you wait, prices usually fall	[03:48]
mjr_	on most consumable things	[03:48]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[03:49]
mjr_	but in a bitcoin economy, the opposite may be true until you can finally do most of your transactions in bitcoin	[03:49]
benkay	assets denominated in btc just keep increasing in price	[03:49]
mjr_	in which case you would still be paying the same 30 btc you would have before	[03:49]
mircea_popescu	back in april 2012 when it was introduced fee was like, 100 bux irrc	[03:49]
the-bucket-shop	new metric: 1 seat mpex vs. 1 seat nyse	[03:49]
the-bucket-shop	wait for parity	[03:49]
mjr_	lol great idea	[03:50]
mircea_popescu	totally.	[03:50]
mjr_	oh...i emailed freenode and asked if they would accept bitcoin donations	[03:50]
mjr_	they only take credit card and paypal right now	[03:50]
mircea_popescu	yeah	[03:50]
mjr_	and i mean, it is pretty much exactly what they believe in as far as distributed systems and freedom	[03:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.7 BTC [+]	[03:51]
mircea_popescu	ahaha somebody just pm'd me https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=64962.msg773754#msg773754	[03:51]
benkay	where did homegirl running MPOE-PR pick up all dat econ?	[03:52]
mircea_popescu	benkay she is ocassionally allowed a quiet seat at the board meetings.	[03:52]
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the-bucket-shop	!mp http://pastebin.com/TMmbMjc3	[03:54]
assbot	Please use http://dpaste.com/	[03:54]
the-bucket-shop	!mp http://dpaste.com/1017811/	[03:55]
assbot	Processing.	[03:55]
assbot	Response: http://dpaste.com/1017812/plain/	[03:55]
benkay	mircea_popescu: preferred capitalization MPEx or MPEX?	[03:56]
mircea_popescu	it's always been MPEx	[03:56]
benkay	thanks.	[03:56]
Bowjob	money printing exchange	[03:56]
Bowjob	everyone makes money	[03:57]
mircea_popescu	haha totally.	[03:57]
Bowjob	does it it suck for people with bad calls and puts	[03:57]
benkay	!post	[03:57]
mircea_popescu	multi purpose excalibur	[03:57]
benkay	$post	[03:57]
the-bucket-shop	I got a STAT from irc. officially idiot proof.	[03:57]
mpexbot	benkay: (post ) -- Supply a pastebin paste key containing a signed and encrypted MPEx command. Respondes with a pastebin URL with MPEx's response.	[03:57]
Bowjob	i remember a 500 BTC squeezed out of a poor speculator	[03:57]
Bowjob	from the 26 to 20 dollar flash crash	[03:57]
Bowjob	hilarious	[03:57]
mircea_popescu	Bowjob end of jan somebody got wiped for like 5k actually	[03:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.5949999 BTC [-]	[03:58]
Bowjob	yikes	[03:58]
Bowjob	Buy and hold, doesnt cost a dime	[03:58]
Bowjob	and it works so far	[03:58]
mircea_popescu	i think the record is that one time when s.dice got sold to like 0.0008	[03:58]
Bowjob	oh yeah	[03:58]
Bowjob	i remember that	[03:58]
Bowjob	lol	[03:58]
Bowjob	fat finger	[03:58]
mircea_popescu	we mostly came to the conclusion it must have been a msitake	[03:58]
Bowjob	that was an 80k USD mistake	[03:58]
Bowjob	was it	[03:58]
benkay	mircea_popescu: i'm aware of the email and irc channels for posting trades to MPEx, are there others I'm not aware of?	[03:58]
mircea_popescu	was pretty huge.	[03:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.595 BTC [+]	[03:59]
mircea_popescu	benkay email is not atm such a channel.	[03:59]
Bowjob	and of course this being the wild wild west of finance	[03:59]
Bowjob	they cant.. they cant reverse it	[03:59]
mircea_popescu	i had mentioned that if the worst comes to worst we will take it to email,	[03:59]
Bowjob	fat finger	[03:59]
mircea_popescu	but it hasn't come to that.	[03:59]
benkay	thanks for the clarification. is irc then the only channel over which you're accepting transactions?	[03:59]
Bowjob	;;ticker	[03:59]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 46.95900, Best ask: 47.25000, Bid-ask spread: 0.29100, Last trade: 47.33203, 24 hour volume: 47013.01597736, 24 hour low: 43.41100, 24 hour high: 47.89860, 24 hour vwap: 45.74036	[03:59]
mircea_popescu	other than that there are private proxies available atm, and the public irc bots.	[03:59]
Bowjob	"I wish I had bought some when they were cheap :(" - On the current events forums of gamefaqs	[04:01]
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benkay	is one more robust than the other? do you prefer to receive over irc?	[04:01]
Bowjob	I was telling them about BTC since it was 13 dollars..	[04:01]
mircea_popescu	i woulsd guess irc is the most robust	[04:01]
mircea_popescu	this is a difficult question tho, robust by what standard ?	[04:02]
mircea_popescu	anything manmade is in principle doomed.	[04:02]
benkay	fuck iono	[04:02]
benkay	some arbitrary heuristic?	[04:02]
benkay	your team's hunches about these things?	[04:03]
mircea_popescu	irc is robust as long as freenode stays online.	[04:03]
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benkay	thanks again.	[04:04]
mircea_popescu	don't mention it.	[04:04]
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mjr_	yeah i think this is a great system	[04:08]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.0056 = 0.0112 BTC [-]	[04:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P550T] 1000 @ 0.24110904 = 241.109 BTC	[04:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P530T] 1000 @ 0.21525757 = 215.2576 BTC	[04:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P510T] 1000 @ 0.19052144 = 190.5214 BTC [-]	[04:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P490T] 1000 @ 0.16701309 = 167.0131 BTC [-]	[04:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P470T] 1000 @ 0.14485191 = 144.8519 BTC [-]	[04:11]
mjr_	hmmm	[04:14]
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mjr_	i managed to import your pub key mircea	[04:14]
mjr_	still getting used to gpg	[04:14]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.00999 BTC [+]	[04:17]
mjr_	B\|	[04:20]
mircea_popescu	cool.	[04:21]
mircea_popescu	aand we're officially over 200k option contracts traded this month.	[04:22]
mircea_popescu	new record.	[04:22]
mjr_	does anyone know how to type the double barred B	[04:23]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 15 @ 0.33318 = 4.9977 BTC [+]	[04:25]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 4 @ 0.33317 = 1.3327 BTC [-]	[04:26]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 23 @ 0.21 = 4.83 BTC [+]	[04:27]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.215 = 0.43 BTC [+]	[04:27]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.22 = 0.66 BTC [+]	[04:28]
Bowjob	http://i.imgur.com/j8L5hhZ.jpg	[04:32]
Bowjob	Do want	[04:32]
kakobrekla	infinity sign is kinda unapropriate	[04:33]
kakobrekla	this not being fiat.	[04:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P550T] 1000 @ 0.23978602 = 239.786 BTC [-]	[04:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P530T] 1000 @ 0.21402821 = 214.0282 BTC [-]	[04:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P510T] 1000 @ 0.1893874 = 189.3874 BTC [-]	[04:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P490T] 1000 @ 0.16597581 = 165.9758 BTC [-]	[04:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P470T] 1000 @ 0.14391278 = 143.9128 BTC [-]	[04:34]
the-bucket-shop	that seem like a big deal to anyone?	[04:35]
MadSweeney	mpex being dos'd can be ironically considered a milestone ;-)	[04:36]
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mircea_popescu	so basically someone thinks btc will stay over 50ish	[04:41]
mircea_popescu	and has a coupla k's to back that thinking	[04:41]
jcpham	Whhoosh	[04:45]
pigeons	;;ticker	[04:48]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 47.53000, Best ask: 47.54224, Bid-ask spread: 0.01224, Last trade: 47.53000, 24 hour volume: 48358.44194382, 24 hour low: 43.41100, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 45.90546	[04:48]
Bowjob	;;eightball Will BTC rise higher this week?	[04:51]
gribble	The answer is a resounding no.	[04:51]
Bowjob	:/	[04:51]
Bowjob	Sell sell sell!	[04:51]
Bowjob	Someone offered me 112 BTC for my Avalon	[04:53]
Bowjob	MHmm	[04:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P550T] 1000 @ 0.23956955 = 239.5696 BTC [-]	[04:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P530T] 1000 @ 0.21382268 = 213.8227 BTC [-]	[04:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P510T] 1000 @ 0.1891934 = 189.1934 BTC [-]	[04:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P490T] 1000 @ 0.16579394 = 165.7939 BTC [-]	[04:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P470T] 1000 @ 0.14374371 = 143.7437 BTC [-]	[04:53]
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mircea_popescu	i guess it ain't gribble shorting them	[04:54]
jcpham	jeebus	[04:54]
mircea_popescu	MadSweeney indeed.	[04:54]
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Bowjob	MadSweeny do people use BTC in the philippines?	[04:55]
MadSweeney	Bowjob, yes	[04:55]
Bowjob	id imagine people earn lik 1.5 BTC for 1 month	[04:55]
Bowjob	there	[04:55]
MadSweeney	that's too low	[04:55]
kakobrekla	doing what?	[04:56]
Bowjob	whats the average salary there	[04:56]
Bowjob	k, maybe 4 BTC im guessing	[04:56]
Bowjob	just a guess	[04:56]
Bowjob	lol	[04:56]
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kakobrekla	https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6988024064/h23C3D98F/	[05:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P550T] 1000 @ 0.2390698 = 239.0698 BTC [-]	[05:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P530T] 1000 @ 0.21335791 = 213.3579 BTC [-]	[05:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P510T] 1000 @ 0.18876427 = 188.7643 BTC [-]	[05:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P490T] 1000 @ 0.16540104 = 165.401 BTC [-]	[05:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P470T] 1000 @ 0.1433876 = 143.3876 BTC [-]	[05:00]
kakobrekla	hmmm	[05:01]
pizzaman1337	that's a lot of BTC	[05:01]
pizzaman1337	maybe they know something we don't...	[05:01]
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Bowjob	I havent really paid attention..what does it mean	[05:01]
Bowjob	those btcs	[05:01]
mjr_	whats the oix at?	[05:02]
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kakobrekla	those are put options Bowjob	[05:02]
mircea_popescu	!ticker m ^oix	[05:02]
assbot	[MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 40.68083871 / 49.87693675 / 50.5301272 (no shares, 17,066.74 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)	[05:02]
mircea_popescu	50ish	[05:03]
mjr_	cool thats what i was figuring	[05:03]
mjr_	lol i just realized that i had kleopatra installed already and i was doing everything from the command line	[05:03]
mjr_	yeah i figured someone was hedging something with those	[05:04]
benkay	all the way down to 47...	[05:05]
mircea_popescu	if coinlab etc had a clue they could actually insure their coins	[05:05]
mircea_popescu	so they could deliver to customers rather than cancel orders	[05:05]
Bowjob	put options.. meaning they expect btc prices to go down.. to 47?	[05:05]
benkay	past.	[05:05]
mjr_	well	[05:05]
mircea_popescu	Bowjob nah. these were sold not bought	[05:05]
mircea_popescu	person is basically saying "btc will stay over 50 the entire month, and maybe even over 55"	[05:06]
benkay	purchaser?	[05:06]
mircea_popescu	the bot bought.	[05:06]
mircea_popescu	the customer sold.	[05:06]
Bowjob	so it's a "call" then	[05:06]
Bowjob	?	[05:06]
mircea_popescu	you can tell cause the bids were taken out not the asks	[05:06]
mjr_	no selling a put = buying a call	[05:06]
mircea_popescu	no, it's a put.	[05:06]
mircea_popescu	nah.	[05:06]
mjr_	if you are "short" a put	[05:06]
mjr_	it is a bullish move	[05:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.59499999 BTC [-]	[05:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.595 = 5.355 BTC [+]	[05:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.599 = 1.198 BTC [+]	[05:07]
mircea_popescu	thats true.	[05:07]
mircea_popescu	just the net gain as a function of btc price changes	[05:07]
mjr_	so if you think something is going up you can sell puts and collect premiums and buy calls as well	[05:07]
Bowjob	nice recovery on havelock	[05:07]
Bowjob	i sold at 0.75, lets see what happens	[05:07]
mjr_	some people sell puts in order to buy calls (lowers their cost)	[05:08]
mircea_popescu	yeah, that actually may work	[05:08]
Bowjob	They should have taught me this in hs	[05:08]
mircea_popescu	Bowjob absolutely.	[05:08]
Bowjob	but if they taught me about this in hs, there wont be time for shakespear	[05:09]
mjr_	shit they should teach people what a debit and a credit is	[05:09]
Bowjob	yeah ^	[05:09]
mjr_	i was actually thinking about trying to create a web based class	[05:09]
mjr_	like kahn academy or something about finance	[05:09]
Bowjob	thankfully, unlike most of my 20 year old contemporaries, I had this fine idea of saving more than i've been spending	[05:09]
benkay	fuck hs	[05:09]
mjr_	well...	[05:09]
mjr_	that is a smart idea	[05:10]
benkay	the whole education stack needs to be online	[05:10]
Bowjob	and i put it in bitcoins	[05:10]
mjr_	but not when you have rampant inflation	[05:10]
Bowjob	before they blew up from 13 dollars	[05:10]
Bowjob	lol	[05:10]
mjr_	so in your case smart	[05:10]
Bowjob	i wish i put more	[05:10]
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Bowjob	oh well	[05:10]
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benkay	meh	[05:10]
Bowjob	and i did put in what i can lose and just write off	[05:10]
benkay	don't fixate on short term	[05:10]
BitHub	selling asicminer shares 1.8 each get at me	[05:10]
benkay	you're only 20	[05:10]
benkay	do you want to do the trading thing?	[05:11]
mjr_	mircea_popescu: what is the capital requirement for someone to sell the amount of puts we just saw	[05:11]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.84999 BTC [+]	[05:11]
Bowjob	mhm, lets just say i'm "interested" not sure yet	[05:11]
Bowjob	i'm an owl for now. just observing	[05:11]
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BitOTTer906	$depth	[05:11]
mpexbot	BitOTTer906: http://pastebin.com/Hhw3k9Bi	[05:12]
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mircea_popescu	mjr_ probably about .5 btc per contract	[05:12]
benkay	what kind of work do you do?	[05:12]
mircea_popescu	something like 2500 per batch	[05:12]
mod6	sorry about the in and out, but it works better now, does both depth and vwap -- its all in one code file now too.	[05:13]
mod6	http://dpaste.com/1017874/	[05:13]
mod6	depth output successful	[05:13]
kakobrekla	is that in and out going to be a casual thing ?	[05:13]
mod6	na, i need to figure out how to msg the bot directly :/	[05:13]
kakobrekla	/msg	[05:14]
mod6	heh, this doesn't work quite like that	[05:14]
kakobrekla	ok	[05:14]
mircea_popescu	whtats the big deal, noobs join/part all da time	[05:14]
kakobrekla	ya but if we have 10 people using the script and all joining and parting	[05:15]
kakobrekla	its meh	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	a that'd be insane	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	im sure finished version won't be doing thatl ol	[05:15]
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mjr_	;;calc 239+213+188+165+143	[05:16]
gribble	948	[05:16]
Chaang-Noi	;;ticker	[05:16]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 47.52311, Best ask: 47.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.37689, Last trade: 47.92886, 24 hour volume: 49410.60996836, 24 hour low: 43.41100, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 45.95456	[05:16]
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Chaang-Noi	oh btc... are we going to 100?	[05:16]
mircea_popescu	55 seems likely.	[05:16]
Chaang-Noi	yea 55 berfore 100 :)	[05:17]
mjr_	so, that guy just collected 948 bitcoins	[05:17]
kakobrekla	who?	[05:17]
mjr_	whoever sold those puts	[05:17]
mjr_	the bot bought them	[05:17]
kakobrekla	a	[05:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.25 BTC [+]	[05:18]
kakobrekla	there were two bursts	[05:18]
mjr_	what's the equation for collateral?	[05:18]
Chaang-Noi	;;asks 48	[05:18]
gribble	There are currently 3929.1374 bitcoins offered at or under 48.0 USD, worth 188482.186888 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.0021 seconds	[05:18]
Chaang-Noi	;;asks 50	[05:18]
gribble	There are currently 33194.542 bitcoins offered at or under 50.0 USD, worth 1619455.56147 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 11.2957 seconds	[05:18]
Chaang-Noi	it si trhe weekend and we are trucking on up.... crazy	[05:18]
mjr_	i know	[05:18]
mjr_	s.dice is back up too	[05:19]
mjr_	mpoe is up	[05:19]
Chaang-Noi	o kinda wan t to just walk away from btc land for a month come back and see what is going on...	[05:19]
Chaang-Noi	litecoin is near 25 cents	[05:19]
mircea_popescu	ya ltc is crazy lol	[05:19]
mjr_	i am actually trying to mine litecoin	[05:19]
mjr_	not because i particularly like them	[05:19]
mjr_	but because i can send them to btc-e	[05:20]
Chaang-Noi	many many gpu miners will mine and support ltc now asics	[05:20]
Chaang-Noi	make the network stronger:)	[05:20]
dub	does cpu mining still work for ltc?	[05:20]
benkay	hahaha best	[05:20]
mjr_	lol it hasn't worked for me	[05:20]
Bowjob	Stupid move on my part, I sold 10k LTC	[05:20]
Chaang-Noi	it works but like cpu mining in btc dont do it:)	[05:20]
Bowjob	maybe I should buy back	[05:20]
mjr_	well...if you move them to btc-e	[05:20]
mjr_	you can get access to better prices	[05:21]
mjr_	i just don't like the other funding options	[05:21]
mjr_	to clarify: i meant you could end up with more bitcoins	[05:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P550T] 1000 @ 0.23838313 = 238.3831 BTC [-]	[05:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P530T] 1000 @ 0.21271752 = 212.7175 BTC [-]	[05:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P510T] 1000 @ 0.18817119 = 188.1712 BTC [-]	[05:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P490T] 1000 @ 0.16485623 = 164.8562 BTC [-]	[05:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P470T] 1000 @ 0.14289205 = 142.8921 BTC [-]	[05:21]
Bowjob	holy shi	[05:21]
Bowjob	t	[05:21]
mjr_	;;calc 239+213+188+165+143	[05:21]
gribble	948	[05:21]
benkay	;;calc 948*47.8	[05:22]
gribble	45314.4	[05:22]
mjr_	almost 2k bitcoins	[05:22]
pizzaman1337	every time the bot puts up more blocks they're taken out	[05:22]
mircea_popescu	ddos	[05:22]
mircea_popescu	v2.0	[05:22]
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mjr_	mircea_popescu: i have to imagine that your bot buys them as part of a hedging strategy	[05:23]
Namworld	Who's selling that amount of puts...	[05:23]
mircea_popescu	mpoe bot is just marketmaking	[05:23]
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mod6	sorry guys, just a few more tests..	[05:24]
mjr_	no worries...to be honest, i think you can just turn off showing joins and parts	[05:25]
mjr_	i know you can in colloquy, but not sure about MIRC	[05:25]
kakobrekla	but thats like turning off 1 satoshi txes	[05:25]
kakobrekla	u dont do dat.	[05:26]
mjr_	no i didn't mean you	[05:26]
pizzaman1337	in order for that person to "cash out" they need to buy puts back, right?	[05:26]
mjr_	i meant you can send them, but i can not display them	[05:26]
mjr_	no	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	pizzaman1337 yes, or they autoexercise at month end	[05:26]
mjr_	yes true	[05:26]
pizzaman1337	and what exactly happens when they autoexercise?	[05:26]
mjr_	do they always autoexercise?	[05:27]
mjr_	thought they would only do that if they are in the money	[05:27]
mjr_	they probably will just expire worthless	[05:27]
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BitOTTer86	$vwap	[05:27]
mpexbot	BitOTTer86: http://pastebin.com/KnN9A22z	[05:27]
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benkay	/msg mirceau_popescu	[05:27]
benkay	wtb	[05:27]
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pizzaman1337	but if they expire worthless, than means they made pure profit because they don't have to buy back worthless options?	[05:28]
mircea_popescu	mjr_ well, if they're not in the money they just dissapear	[05:28]
mircea_popescu	pizzaman1337 yes	[05:28]
mircea_popescu	if btc goes to like 55 and stays htere, all the btc he got selling he keeps	[05:28]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.85 BTC [+]	[05:28]
mircea_popescu	if btc goes to 40, he's on the hook for the difference	[05:28]
pizzaman1337	what if the diff is greater than the amount of money he has?	[05:29]
mjr_	you technically expose yourself to unlimited liability when you write options (at least calls)	[05:29]
mjr_	but usually you have to have something to back against the most likely scenario	[05:30]
mjr_	thats why i was wondering the specific collateral requirements	[05:31]
Namworld	With a call, you need to put up 1 BTC collateral so it's always 100% covered	[05:31]
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mjr_	but for puts	[05:32]
mjr_	it varies doesn't it?	[05:32]
Namworld	For calls, their value tends toward 1. For puts tho, their value tends toward the infinite.	[05:32]
mjr_	hmmm yes when writing them	[05:33]
Namworld	For example, if price becomes 1/1000 of the put's strike, the put would be worth 1000 BTC	[05:33]
Namworld	If it goes to a lower fraction, even more.	[05:33]
mjr_	i know	[05:33]
mjr_	my point is that since you COULD be on the hook for millions of bitcoins	[05:33]
benkay	at most 21	[05:33]
mjr_	how many are required	[05:33]
Namworld	They're not fully covered. It would require infinite BTC.	[05:34]
mjr_	yes	[05:34]
mjr_	but what is the capital requirement	[05:34]
mircea_popescu	pizzaman1337 it can't be, cause he deposits collateral	[05:34]
Namworld	It varies depending on strike and current rate/BTC	[05:34]
mircea_popescu	Namworld they are fully covered, since you do put up enough btc to cover for the put in usd atthe time you write it	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	you put up a little more, which pays for insurance.	[05:35]
mjr_	just for example...let's say the vwap hits $100	[05:36]
mjr_	and you sold puts at $50	[05:36]
mjr_	wait reverse that lol	[05:36]
Chaang-Noi	;;48.5	[05:36]
gribble	Error: "48.5" is not a valid command.	[05:36]
Chaang-Noi	;;asks 48.5	[05:37]
gribble	There are currently 17873.054 bitcoins offered at or under 48.5 USD, worth 863731.319966 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 44.7354 seconds	[05:37]
Chaang-Noi	massive wall up	[05:37]
kakobrekla	maybe from the sam guy who sold the puts	[05:37]
kakobrekla	now to be removed	[05:37]
kakobrekla	konspiraci	[05:37]
pizzaman1337	mircea_popescu: I think I understand it all, thanks. I'll have to give it a shot sometime.	[05:38]
mjr_	so anyway, let's say the vwap is 50 and you sell puts at 50, the price drops to 25	[05:38]
pizzaman1337	kakobrekla: but wouldln't that person want the price to increase?	[05:38]
kakobrekla	yes pizzaman1337, 04:37.38 ( kakobrekla ) now to be removed	[05:38]
kakobrekla	the ask wall.	[05:38]
pizzaman1337	ah	[05:38]
mircea_popescu	konspiraci!	[05:38]
kakobrekla	http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD/accumulated_orderbook.png	[05:38]
mjr_	each contract would be liable for 2 bitcoins right?	[05:39]
Namworld	hmm, 1 BTC actually	[05:40]
mircea_popescu	no ?	[05:40]
Namworld	AActually in my example earlier, I think it should have been 999 BTC	[05:40]
Namworld	1/(x-1)	[05:41]
Namworld	you get your fraction with x and remove 1 to that.	[05:41]
Namworld	Since at strike value, the put has 0 value.	[05:41]
mjr_	yeah	[05:42]
mjr_	my point is just this...if you sold the put, and the price goes up 10x	[05:42]
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Namworld	put is worth 0 so 0 collateral is eaten.	[05:43]
mjr_	yes	[05:43]
mjr_	but if it drops to 0	[05:43]
Namworld	You have infinity BTC value	[05:44]
mjr_	i think i see what mircea was saying	[05:44]
Namworld	So you must pay an infinity of worthless BTC...	[05:44]
jborkl	you can only write covered options, no naked	[05:44]
mjr_	yes exactly	[05:44]
pizzaman1337	"You don't hold enough assets to trade even one single unit of that MPSIC. Sad, sad, sad." < lulz	[05:44]
mircea_popescu	lol	[05:44]
mircea_popescu	fortunately because btc is small and fiart is large it is kinda trivial for me to insure against that	[05:45]
mjr_	yes	[05:45]
mircea_popescu	so if btc goes to zero outstanding puts just get setrtled in fiat	[05:45]
mircea_popescu	and that's that.	[05:45]
mjr_	yeah	[05:45]
mircea_popescu	anyway if btc is zero nobody would want to be settled in btc	[05:45]
Namworld	except you pay infinity x 0 USD per BTC...	[05:46]
mjr_	i am going to do some exploring on a pairs strategy	[05:46]
Namworld	if the price is 0.01 and strike is 1, you pay 99 BTC at 0.01 cent each...	[05:46]
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Namworld	The lower the price goes, the more you owe. But the less the BTC costs to cover those larger BTC amounts.	[05:47]
mircea_popescu	basically a p500 can never cost more than 50 bucks	[05:48]
mircea_popescu	whatever that comes to	[05:48]
mjr_	although that is true...	[05:49]
mjr_	technically if you need btc in order to unwind your position	[05:49]
mjr_	and have to buy it on the open market	[05:49]
mjr_	someone would have to sell it	[05:50]
mjr_	and if you are obligated to buy a lot	[05:50]
mircea_popescu	price goes up and put is no longer under water	[05:50]
mjr_	you could be pushing the price up	[05:50]
mircea_popescu	it's a self limiting issue	[05:50]
mjr_	yep	[05:50]
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bgupta	!help	[05:51]
assbot	List of commands:	[05:51]
assbot	!ticker (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)	[05:51]
assbot	!mp (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)	[05:51]
mjr_	i was going to say that the other possibility is that you can cover the position very easily with another option	[05:52]
mjr_	if you sell one call for every put	[05:52]
mjr_	i meant buy a call for each put sold	[05:53]
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BitOTTer501	$depth	[05:54]
mpexbot	BitOTTer501: http://pastebin.com/gV101v9A	[05:54]
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mod6	hmm, ok well anyway, it works, kinda.	[05:55]
mod6	needs more work, but gotta run for now lol	[05:55]
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mjr_	i was just looking at the last one, really great job mod6	[05:58]
bgupta	Hey is it ontopic to discuss pricing of bitcoin denominates securities in this channel?	[05:59]
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bgupta	mostly wondering about ASICMINER share and their passthrough derivates.	[05:59]
mjr_	lol its all we talk about really	[06:00]
bgupta	excellent!!	[06:01]
dub	that and porn	[06:01]
mod6	wow, thx mjr_ :}	[06:01]
mjr_	bitcoin is finance porn	[06:01]
benkay	bitcoin is disruptive tech porn	[06:01]
mjr_	mod6: no prob, it is really really cool	[06:01]
mod6	so, I cleaned up the dir a bit on github, got rid of bitotter_vwap.pl and bitotter_depth.pl and its merged into this now: https://github.com/modsix/bitotter_perl/blob/master/bitotter_market_data.pl	[06:01]
bgupta	totally	[06:01]
benkay	but yes, that too	[06:02]
mod6	right on heheh. its awesome just to see it work, kinda lol	[06:02]
mjr_	whats interesting is that we are sending our GET requests via irc	[06:03]
mjr_	and retrieving a dynamic web page at a different address	[06:03]
mjr_	i think that is really cool	[06:03]
mod6	oh, so the bummer so far is... i maybe shouldn't have done a commit in there and had left those files to be still able to interface with mpex or a proxy in a way thats outward facing... if that ever happens again	[06:03]
mod6	cause with that, it was still tor capable	[06:03]
mod6	so i'll probably just re-introduce those files if/when that happens so tor may be utililzed	[06:04]
bgupta	so back when btw rallied from zero to about 10 it caught my attention… and I made a decision to invest in gnu mining gear. by the time I got my gear up and running it had spiked up to to 30+ and then crashed… I ran my rigs at a loss for almost a year, but when the algorithm changed, I decided that investing the wrk to reprogram them was a loser and shut it all down.. I managed to hang onto a minuscule 500 b	[06:04]
bgupta	though..	[06:04]
mjr_	i kinda thought that maybe you could host the website on tor with no order functionality	[06:04]
mod6	anyway, just thought yall should know what was happening.	[06:05]
bgupta	held it fallow for the past year or so… but the recent spike in price got me wondering if spinning up made sense (I decided no since the a sic stuff is imminent)	[06:05]
mod6	mjr_: that is pretty neat-o huh :)	[06:05]
mjr_	well	[06:05]
mjr_	do you get cheap electricity bgupta?	[06:05]
mircea_popescu	mod6 tor is coming i think.	[06:05]
mircea_popescu	bgupta btw = btc, gnu = gpu ?	[06:06]
mircea_popescu	and when did the algo change ?!	[06:06]
mjr_	mircea_popescu: also i can host a mirror if you like...it will be pretty tough for them to take out a GAE instance	[06:06]
mod6	ok, i'll reintroduce those files with needed changes as that approches. that'll be awesome	[06:06]
bgupta	In the past no, unfortunately…. now… I have a partner willing to pay electricity if I provide hardware and we split proceeds 50/50.. I think it's a loser for him though.. mircea_popescu yes sorry not reading what I am typing..	[06:07]
mircea_popescu	mjr_ they already have, three times. and amazon x2	[06:07]
mod6	i have basically only accessed mpex over tor since you moved it all over to that early last year	[06:07]
mod6	its always been fast for me	[06:07]
mircea_popescu	if by hardware you mean gpus bgupta it's a loser for him. and prolly for you too.	[06:08]
mjr_	well...not really for him, if he alrady has the hardware	[06:08]
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bgupta	well… they are paid for… so not really	[06:08]
mjr_	he will just get to keep half of the small number of bitcoins he gets	[06:08]
bgupta	the loss will be a day of my time figuring out how to setup the softare	[06:09]
mod6	any amt of satoshi will be signifigant eventually	[06:09]
mjr_	i thought you already had it running?	[06:09]
mjr_	i am debating installing visual studio 2012 on my home computer	[06:10]
bgupta	I had it running was paying way to much for hosting in a real datacenter.. so shut it down last april when they changed the algorithm,,	[06:10]
mjr_	what do you mean changed the algorithm?	[06:10]
mjr_	if you mean when the pay rate halved	[06:10]
bgupta	mmm… existing miners had to upgrade the software..	[06:10]
bgupta	no	[06:10]
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bgupta	let me see if i can find the deets	[06:11]
mjr_	upgrading version?	[06:11]
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bgupta	yeah bitcoind changed… and all pools and miners had to upgrade	[06:12]
Chaang-Noi	network is mining blocks like crazy	[06:12]
bgupta	my pool at the time didn't upgrade and shutdown.. and since I was losing close to 50% at the time (due to the ridiculously low price of btw at the time) I followed them	[06:13]
the-bucket-shop	!ticker m.dice	[06:13]
assbot	Have you got any tobacco?	[06:13]
the-bucket-shop	!ticker s m.dice	[06:13]
assbot	You had the last Philistine. This one's mine.	[06:13]
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bgupta	I probably mined close to 10k coins while I had my rigs up.. but only managed to walk away with 500 btw after all was said and done..	[06:13]
the-bucket-shop	!ticker m s.dice	[06:13]
assbot	[MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00549999 / 0.00549999 / 0.0055 (1650 shares, 9.07 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.00558182 / 0.006225 (392080 shares, 2,188.52 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00616213 / 0.0069 (3732757 shares, 23,001.76 BTC)	[06:13]
bgupta	err btc not btw	[06:14]
bgupta	don'w know why I keep doing the same type	[06:14]
bgupta	typo	[06:14]
Bowjob	mhm. what will happen to SR when mt gox stops their service to NA	[06:14]
bgupta	SR?	[06:14]
bgupta	Guessing NA is north america?	[06:14]
Namworld	Anywaym I'm out. Goodbye	[06:15]
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bgupta	goodnight	[06:15]
bgupta	Bowjob ^^	[06:15]
bgupta	ooooo	[06:16]
Bowjob	yea	[06:16]
bgupta	SR is satoshi dice?	[06:16]
pizzaman1337	SR is silk road, SD is satoshi dice	[06:16]
bgupta	ahh...	[06:16]
Chaang-Noi	anyone here selling off some of their btc and buying something crazy? or are we all just holing untill $1000 plus?	[06:16]
Bowjob	bought ASICs	[06:16]
dub	Chaang-Noi: im thinking about turnign some asicminer into a truck	[06:17]
bgupta	I am willing to sell my premium domain for 4000 btc..	[06:17]
Bowjob	it better start with mt. and and with gox	[06:17]
Bowjob	if its that much	[06:17]
dub	whats the domain	[06:17]
bgupta	nah just vj.com	[06:17]
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Chaang-Noi	dub i did that already, traded my car in and got a truck	[06:17]
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bgupta	If it was USD I'd want a bit more, but it is a digital only transaction, so I'm willing to do it for a little less	[06:18]
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bgupta	unfortunately the folks that would be interested don't deal in btc	[06:19]
bgupta	Quick question in the flow… Are BitFunder, btct.co and apex the main securities exchanges ATM?	[06:19]
Chaang-Noi	how much did you buy that site for?	[06:19]
bgupta	$0… registered it before they charged for registering domains..	[06:19]
Chaang-Noi	cool, why not get more then?	[06:20]
bgupta	been paying whatever a year for the standard domain registration..	[06:20]
Chaang-Noi	im sure its a good name but you are going to have to hit the right people to get that much out of it	[06:21]
Chaang-Noi	i guess it is reasonable though	[06:21]
bgupta	well I had it appraised for $250,000.. but to sell it, i'd need to put a lot of time into adverttising, and likely need to retain a domain broker.. and then take a huge hit on taxes..	[06:21]
bgupta	realistically if I tried I could probably pocket close to $200,000	[06:21]
bgupta	It's the most valuable thing I own, and it goes up about 7% a year in value	[06:22]
bgupta	(Well other than my apt)	[06:22]
mjr_	my friend who owns an it consulting company said that that is his biggest regret	[06:22]
bgupta	It's a fallow asset..	[06:22]
mircea_popescu	bgupta mpex is, yes.	[06:22]
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mircea_popescu	and wth, it boggles that anyone'd pay 200k for a domain.	[06:23]
mircea_popescu	i certainly wouldn't.	[06:23]
bgupta	well not an individual for sure..	[06:23]
mjr_	companies	[06:23]
bgupta	think startup or large company	[06:23]
pizzaman1337	with tons of users	[06:23]
mjr_	200k is not much for a big company	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	that's besides thew point.	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	200k isn'r much for me, either	[06:24]
bgupta	they don't even allow people to register two letter domains any more.	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	but it is very much for a domain	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	which is what we're discussing.	[06:24]
mjr_	i meant as part of a budget involving web presence	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	even so.	[06:24]
bgupta	memorable domains are getting harder to come by...	[06:24]
mjr_	that is a scarce resource	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	eh get out	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	it never was scarce, it's never gettingscarce.	[06:25]
mjr_	when i was looking into getting a domain name for my site	[06:25]
mjr_	huh?	[06:25]
mircea_popescu	seriously.	[06:25]
benkay	ad buys are made by advertisers	[06:25]
benkay	they don't think like that	[06:25]
mjr_	it is hard to get a one word domain	[06:25]
mircea_popescu	ya, they think like stupid.	[06:25]
mircea_popescu	no "memorable domain" has a site worth anything on it.	[06:25]
mircea_popescu	all the good sites are on new names	[06:25]
mircea_popescu	google	[06:25]
mircea_popescu	twitter	[06:25]
mircea_popescu	mpex	[06:25]
mircea_popescu	etc.	[06:25]
bgupta	amazon	[06:25]
mjr_	and getting those domains	[06:25]
mjr_	would be expensive	[06:25]
mircea_popescu	amazon is only memorable because of amazon	[06:26]
benkay	coca cola's ad company isn't smart enough for that shit	[06:26]
Chaang-Noi	i hold tygrr.com and bitcoins.lc not really worth a whole lot.	[06:26]
benkay	they're herd followers	[06:26]
benkay	worse than traders	[06:26]
mjr_	i got btcshares.com	[06:26]
Chaang-Noi	and litecoin.me :)	[06:26]
mjr_	btc-etf.com	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	point in case : btc.com	[06:26]
mjr_	gone	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	did any of the large btc players bother with it ? nope.	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	well... whoopdedo. why not ?	[06:26]
mjr_	bitcoins are still very new	[06:27]
mircea_popescu	forget that.	[06:27]
mjr_	i bet that domain will be very valuable in the future	[06:27]
mircea_popescu	there's people in btc that can afford 200k for a domain.	[06:27]
mjr_	of course	[06:27]
Chaang-Noi	btc.com is a porn site oh lol	[06:27]
mircea_popescu	i bet it will be very valuable in the sense 10 bucks are very valuable.	[06:27]
Chaang-Noi	brain trust company	[06:27]
benkay	their capital is best put to work in profitable ventures	[06:27]
mircea_popescu	right.	[06:27]
mircea_popescu	Chaang-Noi some bs wannabe japanese co.	[06:28]
bgupta	well we are a bit different in that we use irc and weirdly named forums for most of our info. we seek out knowledge	[06:28]
dub	btc.com is too generic, like dollar.com	[06:28]
dub	you don't want that for a brand	[06:28]
mircea_popescu	dub yet bitcoin.com was all the bruhaha	[06:28]
bgupta	yeah the problem with too generic is they aren't trademarkable.	[06:28]
bgupta	which means you can't build a company or a brand around them	[06:28]
bgupta	e.g business.com	[06:28]
Chaang-Noi	sex.com	[06:29]
dub	sex.com sold for $14mn in 2010	[06:29]
bgupta	http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/07/26/businesscom-sold-for-345-million/ look what it's being used of now	[06:29]
Chaang-Noi	pretty generic:)	[06:29]
benkay	wankery	[06:29]
benkay	lotteries	[06:29]
dub	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_name#Resale_of_domain_names	[06:29]
mjr_	i'm just saying	[06:29]
benkay	spend your energy on creating value	[06:30]
dub	insure.com for $16mn	[06:30]
benkay	capture a small fraction	[06:30]
benkay	don't wager with your life work	[06:30]
mjr_	typically we think of being creative	[06:30]
dub	man up and use it for a shock site tbh	[06:30]
bgupta	yeah.. I've been holding it, because one day when I do a startup, I want a unique domain name to do it with.	[06:30]
mjr_	but that is way harder for some people than just throwing money at stuff	[06:30]
benkay	lolwut	[06:30]
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benkay	that domain's taking up too much of your brainspace	[06:31]
mjr_	seriously	[06:31]
benkay	not you mjr_	[06:31]
mjr_	i know	[06:31]
mjr_	i am just saying that domains are valuable, cuz people want them	[06:31]
benkay	if you're wasting cycles on thinking about domains	[06:31]
mircea_popescu	sex.com sold for $14mn in 2010 << and it never generated 1mn of revenue in its entire lifetime	[06:31]
mircea_popescu	bgupta i simply don't believe the sort of bs	[06:31]
benkay	you're not going to be successful in running your own business	[06:31]
Chaang-Noi	sex.com made shit loads on money?	[06:32]
mircea_popescu	i am aware the domain name scam people are really working hard to make their coolaid credible	[06:32]
Chaang-Noi	of	[06:32]
benkay	not in a high-competition, high-growth, environment	[06:32]
mjr_	benkay: that is the point, most people do not want to own their own business	[06:32]
mircea_popescu	but a ny times blog hit is nothing in this discussion.	[06:32]
mircea_popescu	345mn didn't happen	[06:32]
benkay	i get it man, i get it	[06:32]
bgupta	The reality is google kinda made domain names less relevant.. that and the fact that browsers changed how they deal with stuff you type into the address bar.	[06:32]
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benkay	doesn't mean i don't think that putting it all on a specific slot on the fucking roulette table is a good idea	[06:32]
dub	yeah for most people google is the address bar	[06:33]
benkay	bgupta++	[06:33]
benkay	i infrequently type domains	[06:33]
mircea_popescu	yeah	[06:33]
mircea_popescu	the way to go is just invent a name and use that as your tm and domains	[06:33]
benkay	it's like gm	[06:33]
dub	yep, and remember bookmarks? lol	[06:33]
benkay	bi	[06:33]
bgupta	point is that if I worked really hard I could sell it for $200,000, or if I worked even harder, I could build a kick ass business with a cool domain name that's easy to type.. I have time for neither atm.	[06:34]
benkay	ca	[06:34]
benkay	aren't there things you'd enjoy working on more?	[06:34]
benkay	i mean	[06:34]
bgupta	if someone flush with btw wanted to take it off my hands I'd be cool.. but that's a side bar..	[06:34]
benkay	i'm tired of hustling	[06:34]
benkay	it's fucking nice to build stuff people value enough to cut checks for	[06:34]
bgupta	Yeah sure.. I run a LUG.. which I LOVE.	[06:35]
dub	its probably worht throwing a thread up about it	[06:35]
benkay	no sarcasm?	[06:35]
bgupta	I do OSS stuff, love that too	[06:35]
benkay	what's your profit center?	[06:35]
dub	the great thing about bitcoin is there is no shortage of idiots, some with too much money	[06:35]
bgupta	my profit center?	[06:35]
benkay	true of any market of a reasonable size	[06:35]
benkay	trivial conclusion	[06:35]
mjr_	dub: yep, the market fixes that situation	[06:35]
bgupta	I do consulting which is a brutal business.	[06:36]
benkay	meh	[06:36]
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benkay	what space?	[06:36]
mircea_popescu	it's fucking nice to build stuff people value enough to cut checks for << this.	[06:36]
bgupta	cloud shit	[06:36]
benkay	how brutal?	[06:36]
bgupta	mmm.. to make a dollar you need to sell a body, brutal.. no real leverage, no real product.	[06:37]
dub	tis potentially a nice way for someone to cash out $200k of btc too	[06:37]
benkay	mircea_popescu: the best part is that everything i get checks for, i also learn new skills that multiply my rate	[06:38]
bgupta	dub what forum would I post it to if I wanted to pursue?	[06:38]
dub	bgupta: the bitcointalk market or auction forums	[06:39]
bgupta	benkay: I run a small consulting company.. it's not just me… so most of my time is spent doing business stuff not learning	[06:39]
benkay	i've seen that happen man	[06:39]
mircea_popescu	i've done plenty of consulting and it was always fun	[06:39]
mircea_popescu	what the heck.	[06:39]
benkay	i've never seen someone run the shop and still make commits	[06:39]
benkay	i love it	[06:40]
Bowjob	stupid parents took my piano away	[06:40]
mircea_popescu	"Japan needs to face up to reality, and take real steps to correct its mistakes... so as to prevent a further escalation,"	[06:40]
mircea_popescu	the chinese are about to bitchslap them	[06:40]
bgupta	The one thing I do like about it is the flexibility...	[06:40]
benkay	flex is nice	[06:40]
benkay	i get to bill anywhere i am	[06:40]
benkay	boss-folks like to see my face from time to time	[06:40]
bgupta	I get to pick my priorities..	[06:41]
benkay	but it's part of my mystique that i show up at the office kind of randomly	[06:41]
bgupta	been growing my lug and getting some pretty cool speakers..	[06:41]
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benkay	what's the appeal in the lug?	[06:41]
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bgupta	this is the next event: http://www.meetup.com/nylug-meetings/events/82181872/	[06:41]
dub	benkay: I had that at ibm, nobody (besides customers) had any clue what I did	[06:42]
benkay	big bluuuuue	[06:42]
benkay	corporate honky	[06:42]
benkay	;)	[06:42]
bgupta	and this is the one after: http://www.meetup.com/nylug-meetings/events/102722692/	[06:42]
bgupta	and even cooler this is the one after that: http://www.meetup.com/nylug-meetings/events/82181952/	[06:42]
bgupta	I get to onsite awesome folks to NYC to talk to a bunch of geeks	[06:43]
benkay	that is pretty neat	[06:43]
bgupta	s/onsite/invite/	[06:43]
bgupta	afk for 5 smoke..	[06:43]
benkay	that's a lot...	[06:43]
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Bowjob	btc crashing	[06:45]
mircea_popescu	lmao no way	[06:45]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[06:45]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 47.30215, Best ask: 47.30587, Bid-ask spread: 0.00372, Last trade: 47.30215, 24 hour volume: 50842.40617608, 24 hour low: 43.60001, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 46.10288	[06:45]
Bowjob	http://coinlab.com/	[06:45]
Bowjob	it was 46.60	[06:45]
Bowjob	lol	[06:45]
Bowjob	by "crashing" i mean volatility	[06:45]
Bowjob	lol	[06:45]
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bgupta	always volitile	[06:49]
bgupta	nbd	[06:50]
bgupta	so the real reason I can into this channel was to ask what folks think about ASICMINER shares, and the passthrough variants.	[06:50]
bgupta	I perhaps overshared, and for that I apologize, I;m a bit too open that way.	[06:51]
mircea_popescu	;;ident jborkl	[06:52]
gribble	Nick 'jborkl', with hostmask 'jborkl!~jborkl_@unaffiliated/jborkl', is not identified.	[06:52]
jarpiain	jborkl jborkl_ jcpham JimmyHo3 jurov JWU42	[06:52]
the-bucket-shop	I've not looked at numbers for asicminer but I've met people at meet ups that seem to like it alot	[06:52]
mircea_popescu	;;get info jborkl	[06:52]
gribble	Error: The command "get" is available in the Dunno, Herald, and Topic plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "get".	[06:52]
mircea_popescu	;;getinfo jborkl	[06:52]
gribble	Error: "getinfo" is not a valid command.	[06:52]
mircea_popescu	;;gpginfo jborkl	[06:52]
gribble	Error: "gpginfo" is not a valid command.	[06:52]
mircea_popescu	what the fuck	[06:52]
dub	;;ident jborkl	[06:52]
gribble	Nick 'jborkl', with hostmask 'jborkl!~jborkl_@unaffiliated/jborkl', is not identified.	[06:52]
dub	;;getrating jborkl	[06:52]
gribble	This user has not yet been rated. WARNING: Currently not authenticated.	[06:52]
jborkl	hmm, let me auth	[06:53]
bgupta	trying to value the shares, as they are starting to climb… faster than I can transfer btc out of mtgox (which is where has been my wallet for the past year.)	[06:53]
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bgupta	am I idented?	[06:53]
bgupta	I set that up ages ago… not sure if it's enabled	[06:53]
dub	;;ident bgupta	[06:53]
gribble	Nick 'bgupta', with hostmask 'bgupta!~bgupta@207-237-250-126.c3-0.80w-ubr1.nyr-80w.ny.cable.rcn.com', is not identified.	[06:53]
mircea_popescu	bgupta https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=151265.msg1605413#msg1605413 if you mean asicminer	[06:54]
bgupta	thanks for the link will read..	[06:55]
assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 10 @ 0.01398 = 0.1398 BTC [+]	[06:55]
jborkl	;;ident jborkl_	[06:56]
gribble	Nick 'jborkl_', with hostmask 'jborkl_!~jborkl@unaffiliated/jborkl', is not identified.	[06:56]
assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01599 BTC [+]	[06:56]
assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 18 @ 0.01999 = 0.3598 BTC [+]	[06:56]
bgupta	so one thing I discovered is once the initial asicminer investors have been paid dividends drop by half.. since the real investors own half of the whole thing.	[06:56]
jborkl	;;ident jborkl	[06:56]
gribble	Nick 'jborkl', with hostmask 'jborkl!~jborkl_@unaffiliated/jborkl', is identified as user jborkl_, with GPG key id 3ABA925F1676E0DA, key fingerprint BEDA499D84B3F11FAC2C98C13ABA925F1676E0DA, and bitcoin address 1assBEfKxpuhv3HdYfQwf9h2TR43DwVke	[06:56]
bgupta	considering initial investors bought shares at ~0.1btc that should happen sooner than later	[06:57]
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Bowjob	Fuck	[06:58]
Bowjob	I'm mad	[06:58]
Bowjob	... stupid fucking parents taking my piano downstairs	[06:58]
Bowjob	bpjhwsipghsipfghipaefghiaef	[06:58]
dub	firstworldproblems	[07:00]
bgupta	mircea_popescu: Without asking you to divulge too much roughly what part of the world are you in?	[07:00]
mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/274/bernard-hopkins-vs-tavoris-cloud-hopkins-to-win/	[07:00]
dub	lol	[07:00]
mircea_popescu	whoa hopkins won by like, 1	[07:00]
mircea_popescu	bgupta timisoara	[07:00]
Bowjob	i swear i have rage building right now	[07:01]
Bowjob	fuck	[07:01]
bgupta	very cool...	[07:02]
bgupta	Bowjob.. go deal.	[07:02]
bgupta	be sweet	[07:02]
bgupta	mircea: Is there a way to buy straight up shares of asicminer, without doing passthrough stuff?	[07:04]
bgupta	err: mircea_popescu ^^	[07:04]
mircea_popescu	no. they blew their mpex listing.	[07:04]
bgupta	what does that mean they "blew a listing"	[07:05]
bgupta	delisted?	[07:05]
mircea_popescu	nah, just, failed to list.	[07:05]
bgupta	blew their chance?	[07:05]
*	bgupta passed on the opportunity?	[07:05]
Bowjob	I feel so violated.. that piano is my personal one	[07:05]
mircea_popescu	think of it in these terms : company pops up, doesn't list on nyse, lists on pink sheets	[07:05]
Bowjob	theres a second piano downstairs that i do not care about	[07:05]
mircea_popescu	through a weird agreement they don't sign	[07:05]
mircea_popescu	it's a little lala	[07:05]
bgupta	ok..	[07:06]
bgupta	SO the muse thing that everyone bitches about the 30btc thing.. that's just a one time thing, no?	[07:06]
dub	Bowjob: 1%problems	[07:07]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[07:07]
bgupta	s//muse/mpex/	[07:07]
bgupta	ok.. that would make trading difficult for me if it was a trading cost.	[07:07]
mircea_popescu	"everyone". hm. it's more of a "everyone that's bitching about it is bitching about it".	[07:07]
dub	bgupta: there are lots of otc asicminer trades happening, check the auction forum	[07:07]
mircea_popescu	obviously those that don't bitch don't bitch.	[07:07]
dub	bgupta: friedcat (asicminer guy) is timely about transferring etc	[07:08]
mircea_popescu	but yes, there's a large assignment market in it too, otc.	[07:08]
mircea_popescu	well...large. 100s of btc or so	[07:08]
bgupta	err.. lot me clarify "everything that bitches" means "everyone that bitches about mpex"… I believe that's the biggest complaint. and I'm ok with it…	[07:09]
mircea_popescu	i thought the biggest complaint was that i'm not nice.	[07:09]
bgupta	I am ready to buy sink 300 some odd btw into asicminer.. these penny-ante exchanges aren't quite cutting it.	[07:10]
bgupta	ohh.. you are mpex?	[07:10]
bgupta	very cool. sorry for being oversharing.	[07:10]
bgupta	(Realising that 300 btw is penny-ante)	[07:11]
bgupta	btc	[07:11]
mircea_popescu	what's oversharing ?	[07:11]
bgupta	the sharing of internet complaints..	[07:11]
Bowjob	I'll warn them next time they try to pull this shit again, I will yell at them so that all the guests will hear it.	[07:11]
mircea_popescu	lol that's not a problem, the internet was born to kvetch	[07:11]
mircea_popescu	anyway. it's a gamble on multiple scores.	[07:12]
bgupta	mircea_popescu: are your trades listed publicly? IE: do I need to buy in to see traffic?	[07:13]
mircea_popescu	nope. it streams here for one.	[07:13]
bgupta	fuck it's all a gamble	[07:13]
bgupta	opps	[07:13]
mircea_popescu	all the earlier excitement about the trading puts for instance	[07:13]
mircea_popescu	twitter.com/mpex1 or you could just follow the twitter.	[07:13]
mircea_popescu	there's also a rss but atm unavailable.	[07:13]
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bgupta	Ohhhh… was gonna ask what these things are..	[07:15]
*	bgupta realized they are derivatives not securities	[07:15]
bgupta	me hates me some derivatives. (unless of course.. I am issuing them)	[07:15]
mircea_popescu	puts for this month around 50usd/btc	[07:15]
mircea_popescu	you can issue, sure. ths person was selling short.	[07:16]
bgupta	mircea: I am looking for a "stock exchange"	[07:16]
mircea_popescu	mpex does shares, options, futures	[07:16]
mircea_popescu	the whole thing	[07:16]
bgupta	http://mpex.coinbr.com/ ??	[07:17]
mircea_popescu	techbnically speaking options are securities anyway	[07:17]
mircea_popescu	that;s a proxy.	[07:17]
bgupta	err Ok I like equity	[07:17]
mircea_popescu	currently dead.	[07:17]
mircea_popescu	$vwap	[07:17]
mpexbot	mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/d6AS1y6d	[07:17]
mircea_popescu	there, that's a list of what traded past month	[07:17]
bgupta	JSON?	[07:18]
mircea_popescu	yes	[07:18]
bgupta	ok	[07:18]
mircea_popescu	grep S. for shares	[07:18]
mircea_popescu	ie equity	[07:18]
bgupta	json is human readable.. but… I need to whip out cli shit to deal.. one moment.. (I'm slow)	[07:19]
mircea_popescu	!ticker m s.mpoe	[07:20]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00067638 / 0.00074998 / 0.00075 (89317 shares, 66.99 BTC), 7D: 0.00067334 / 0.00074889 / 0.00078628 (10735832 shares, 8,040.01 BTC), 30D: 0.0006153 / 0.00068483 / 0.00078628 (58572634 shares, 40,112.83 BTC)	[07:20]
mircea_popescu	!ticker m s.dice	[07:20]
assbot	[MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00549999 / 0.00549999 / 0.0055 (1650 shares, 9.07 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.00558182 / 0.006225 (392080 shares, 2,188.52 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00616213 / 0.0069 (3732756 shares, 23,001.75 BTC)	[07:20]
mircea_popescu	there, that sorta thing	[07:20]
mircea_popescu	!ticker m s.bbet	[07:20]
assbot	[MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0015 / 0.00174357 / 0.00197 (80200 shares, 139.83 BTC), 30D: 0.0015 / 0.00178893 / 0.00197 (111808 shares, 200.02 BTC)	[07:20]
bgupta	gotcha… ok I have to admit, I think the shit futures/options/derivatives are gonna make a number of folks very rich, I wish we could leave all that baggage behind is in the fiat world. We don't need wall street and hedge funds and institutional folks to "help us along"	[07:24]
bgupta	brb	[07:25]
mircea_popescu	uhm	[07:25]
mircea_popescu	how do you expect btc to work without financial instruments.	[07:25]
mircea_popescu	just because your master stripped you naked and beat you with a whip doesn't mean there's no need for whips in this new state you're making "for freedom".	[07:25]
mircea_popescu	they have their utility.	[07:26]
bgupta	fair enough… they have their utility.	[07:31]
Bowjob	http://coinlab.com/	[07:33]
Bowjob	some serious resistance this is	[07:33]
bgupta	meh… guessing price is gonna need to consolidate a bit.. before it can go up again	[07:35]
bgupta	could collapse too…	[07:35]
bgupta	it's had an amazing run… (I think it's not gonna collapse below 20 or so… but that's just me).. I think it has huge potential	[07:36]
bgupta	but	[07:36]
bgupta	I've starting thinking about things in btw… not USD… it's hard	[07:37]
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bgupta	how do i get post access on bitcointalk??	[07:38]
bgupta	I get "be odd on newbie: but that's %^&ing retarded.	[07:39]
bgupta	err ocd	[07:39]
bgupta	ok my typing has suffered tonight as I drank a bottle of manzanilla	[07:40]
the-bucket-shop	bgupta I think you make 5 posts on the newbie section	[07:40]
bgupta	the-bucket-shop: Like mods are retards x 5?	[07:41]
bgupta	hard to post there…	[07:42]
the-bucket-shop	no, I would add +1 to each retard mod. multiplying will put you way over	[07:42]
bgupta	ok now have posted two	[07:43]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0056 BTC [-]	[07:45]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0056 BTC [-]	[07:45]
bgupta	now post three	[07:45]
the-bucket-shop	you can skip the updates, try to keep this room on point	[07:45]
bgupta	sorry…	[07:46]
*	bgupta thought folks might want to read them.	[07:46]
bgupta	although (sidetracked now)… They probably don't	[07:47]
Bowjob	whats up with LTC	[07:49]
Bowjob	wtf	[07:49]
the-bucket-shop	problems in the litecoin community? I don't follow the news there, but would love to hear complaints if any.	[07:49]
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Bowjob	;;eightball Will LTC crash?	[08:00]
gribble	The outlook is good.	[08:00]
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mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[08:03]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 47.34445, Best ask: 47.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.15555, Last trade: 47.50000, 24 hour volume: 51372.27442917, 24 hour low: 43.70101, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 46.15373	[08:03]
bgupta	ltc will go wonky one way or another when all the gnu miners drop out of btw and point at ltc.	[08:03]
mircea_popescu	ahh my huge roast is in the oven	[08:04]
mircea_popescu	huuuuuge	[08:04]
bgupta	roast what?	[08:05]
mircea_popescu	a 2lb pork chop	[08:06]
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Bowjob	;;eightball Will LTC rise in value?	[08:08]
gribble	_I_ don't know.	[08:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.005884 = 2.942 BTC [+]	[08:10]
ThickAsThieves	bgupta, doesn't mining difficulty push coin value up with it?	[08:14]
bgupta	Bowjob.. a big chunk of BTC miners are gonna be mining LTC so...	[08:15]
bgupta	yes and no	[08:15]
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bgupta	supply and demand is what ultimately drives value	[08:15]
bgupta	demand just deals with one end of that equation.	[08:16]
bgupta	err difficulty just deals with one end of that equation.. and that's supply.	[08:16]
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ThickAsThieves	ltc has a use just in that you can play it against btc	[08:19]
ThickAsThieves	then you have litecoinglobal.com	[08:19]
ThickAsThieves	where there are btc and ltc-denominated assets	[08:19]
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bgupta	so I here	[08:20]
bgupta	hear	[08:20]
ThickAsThieves	as long as people mostly stay focused on 1 alt-coin, it will do well	[08:20]
mircea_popescu	aite boys and girls. laters!	[08:20]
bgupta	dev coins.	[08:20]
bgupta	are wack	[08:20]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[08:20]
ThickAsThieves	i was like dev coins what?	[08:20]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com/ \|\| CAN'T ACCESS MPEX.CO : http://mpex.coinbr.com/ - down atm - private instances around - also see !help	[14:37]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~T42@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Sat Mar 9 03:37:56 2013	[14:37]
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mircea_popescu	!ticker m ^oix	[14:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.75 = 3.5 BTC [+]	[14:39]
assbot	[MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 40.86787592 / 49.80381297 / 50.5311083 (no shares, 17,228.61 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)	[14:39]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[14:39]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 47.28030, Best ask: 47.30009, Bid-ask spread: 0.01979, Last trade: 47.30009, 24 hour volume: 38523.58082220, 24 hour low: 44.30000, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 46.52796	[14:39]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.705 BTC [-]	[14:44]
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mircea_popescu	ok so : jurov's coinbr has been nuked too, for the 2nd time. working on maximian's idea atm, probably back online soon.	[14:53]
mircea_popescu	3rd generation, here we come.	[14:53]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 99 @ 0.000725 = 0.0718 BTC [+]	[14:55]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 38 @ 0.000725 = 0.0276 BTC [+]	[14:56]
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mircea_popescu	;;seen ineedausername	[15:05]
gribble	I have not seen ineedausername.	[15:05]
AndChat567216	It's perhaps discussed already... but why not a MPEX proxy as TOR hidden service?	[15:11]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.7 = 2.8 BTC [-]	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	AndChat567216 the concern is that may cause trouble to tor.	[15:18]
mircea_popescu	but it's being worked on	[15:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.6 = 1.2 BTC [+]	[15:19]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 25 @ 0.00194 = 0.0485 BTC [-]	[15:24]
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the-bucket-shop	!ticker m s.dice	[15:50]
assbot	[MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.005884 / 0.005884 / 0.005884 (500 shares, 2.94 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.00557643 / 0.006225 (387228 shares, 2,159.35 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00616219 / 0.0069 (3723806 shares, 22,946.81 BTC)	[15:50]
the-bucket-shop	!ticker m s.bbet	[15:50]
assbot	[MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0015 / 0.00174357 / 0.00197 (80200 shares, 139.83 BTC), 30D: 0.0015 / 0.00178893 / 0.00197 (111808 shares, 200.02 BTC)	[15:50]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~T42@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Sat Mar 9 03:37:56 2013	[17:29]
deadweasel	Chooser starting his own gambling/shares site? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=151470.msg1607522#msg1607522	[17:29]
ThickAsThieves	is there someone i can bug to process manual withdrawals from BTCT/LTCglobal	[17:30]
ZedsterX	that's the spirit	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves burnside	[17:30]
ThickAsThieves	he's the only one :/	[17:30]
ThickAsThieves	ltc at .0785 alrdy	[17:31]
ThickAsThieves	oops	[17:31]
ThickAsThieves	.00785	[17:31]
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mircea_popescu	;;calc .00785 * 45	[17:32]
gribble	0.35325	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	heh srsly ?!	[17:32]
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ThickAsThieves	it went up 10% in 10min	[17:33]
kakobrekla	at this rate you gonna have to update that bitbet proposition soon	[17:33]
kakobrekla	or make another bet	[17:33]
kakobrekla	"ltc will be woth more than btc"	[17:34]
ThickAsThieves	i'm gonna get all the ltc kiddies betting on it	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	lol	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	is there a ltc chart like bitcoincharts anywhere ?	[17:36]
kakobrekla	dunno	[17:36]
kakobrekla	all i have i 5min chart	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	lol sux	[17:36]
kakobrekla	https://btc-e.com/exchange	[17:37]
kakobrekla	ltc/btc	[17:37]
kakobrekla	action realtime	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	i can't believe they dion't have a chart system	[17:37]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.ltc-charts.com/period-charts.php?period=today&resolution=hour&pair=ltc-btc&market=btc-e	[17:37]
ThickAsThieves	its a little wonky	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	a a	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	ty	[17:38]
ThickAsThieves	np	[17:38]
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ThickAsThieves	rally is pulling back	[17:40]
ThickAsThieves	i sold 1050 ltc for 7.5btc :)	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	well done.	[17:42]
ThickAsThieves	wouldve been another 3000 if burnside did use Flintstone withdrawal method	[17:42]
kakobrekla	lol	[17:42]
pigeons	http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/period-charts.php?period=2-days&resolution=hour&pair=ltc-btc&market=btc-e	[17:42]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[17:42]
ThickAsThieves	same chart but for black people?	[17:43]
pigeons	yep, black is cooler	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	lol black is what the pros use!	[17:44]
ThickAsThieves	i have too many other windows that are white	[17:44]
ThickAsThieves	kills my eyes to flip back and forth	[17:44]
ThickAsThieves	i guess if i had more monitors i could set up some for charts	[17:44]
ThickAsThieves	but i still have a day job	[17:45]
ThickAsThieves	for now	[17:45]
kakobrekla	dump dat shit	[17:45]
ThickAsThieves	tough to,	[17:45]
ThickAsThieves	it's my own business	[17:45]
ThickAsThieves	and ive pared it down a lot	[17:45]
ThickAsThieves	but still serve about 60 websites and 25 clients as designer	[17:45]
ThickAsThieves	then some adwords account mgmt	[17:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.75 BTC [+]	[17:46]
kakobrekla	you are a designer?	[17:46]
ThickAsThieves	yessir	[17:46]
kakobrekla	got a portfolio?	[17:46]
pigeons	why are there still designers? we have bootstrap	[17:46]
ThickAsThieves	i do mostly branding stuff	[17:46]
ThickAsThieves	web design occassionally	[17:46]
ThickAsThieves	my portfolio are all busted atm	[17:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499998 BTC [-]	[17:47]
ThickAsThieves	i put up a new wordpress site that wasnt finished	[17:47]
ThickAsThieves	what kind of design are you looking for? i could dig up relavant samples	[17:47]
Namworld	lol... everybody use basic bootstrap only! A la GLBSE.	[17:47]
ThickAsThieves	relevant*	[17:47]
Diablo-D3	fucking bootstrap	[17:48]
ThickAsThieves	i'd rather see bootstrap than a lot of other shit	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	did you get your portofolio ddosed ?	[17:48]
Namworld	I prefer hand coded website	[17:48]
Diablo-D3	the newest version of foundation actually looks nice	[17:48]
Diablo-D3	Namworld: isn't worth it anymore	[17:48]
ThickAsThieves	no, cuz i havent linked to it here yet mp	[17:48]
Diablo-D3	too many flakey devices that get css wrong	[17:48]
Chaang-Noi	ltc:)	[17:49]
ThickAsThieves	i dont do any programming other than tertiary stuff	[17:49]
ThickAsThieves	some server mgmt	[17:49]
Diablo-D3	ThickAsThieves: you should	[17:49]
Diablo-D3	its good for you	[17:49]
ThickAsThieves	i know	[17:49]
Diablo-D3	teaches you how to think	[17:49]
Namworld	What? How would it not be worth it?	[17:49]
ThickAsThieves	i have so many projects already	[17:49]
Diablo-D3	Namworld: I just told you why	[17:49]
ThickAsThieves	ive been learning plenty	[17:50]
Namworld	That's not even a good reason.	[17:50]
ThickAsThieves	just not programming	[17:50]
Diablo-D3	Namworld: if you want your website to look correct on every device ever, yes, it is a good reason	[17:50]
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Namworld	The same can be done manually...	[17:51]
Diablo-D3	yes, if you OWN every device ever	[17:51]
Namworld	Plus bootstrap doesn't support everything...	[17:51]
Diablo-D3	bootstrap supports everything worthwhile	[17:51]
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ThickAsThieves	oh geez	[17:52]
Diablo-D3	and supports a lot of older mobile browsers that really should just be tossed in the trash	[17:52]
Namworld	Same can be done manually...	[17:52]
Diablo-D3	not reliably	[17:52]
Diablo-D3	dude, I've written frameworks like bootstrap and foundation before, you haven't	[17:52]
ThickAsThieves	$vwap	[17:52]
mpexbot	ThickAsThieves: http://pastebin.com/q5kdCh3m	[17:52]
Diablo-D3	its a pain in the fucking ass, and not worth wasting your time on	[17:52]
Diablo-D3	if a team wants to dedicate their shitty little lives to it, let them, it saves me the time of having to hit phones with hammers until they work	[17:53]
ThickAsThieves	and what are your feelings on Wordpress	[17:54]
ThickAsThieves	dare i ask	[17:54]
Diablo-D3	ThickAsThieves: I fucking hate it and I'm seriously considering replacing mine with a static blog	[17:54]
Diablo-D3	do like some git cron job or something	[17:54]
ThickAsThieves	you hate it personally, and/or you think others shouldn't use it?	[17:54]
Diablo-D3	ThickAsThieves: yes	[17:55]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[17:55]
Diablo-D3	Ive ran a wordpress blog for like 7 or 8 years now	[17:55]
Diablo-D3	it makes me hate php more and more	[17:55]
ThickAsThieves	like all my clients use it for their small biz sites	[17:55]
ThickAsThieves	so many hax	[17:55]
Diablo-D3	ThickAsThieves: they shouldn't, its a security hazard	[17:55]
ThickAsThieves	i hate it now	[17:55]
Diablo-D3	this is why I run it on an isolated vps	[17:55]
ThickAsThieves	i mean i dont mind using it	[17:55]
ThickAsThieves	but all the hax	[17:55]
Diablo-D3	just so it can't fuck other shit up	[17:55]
ThickAsThieves	so hard to explain to a plumber	[17:55]
Diablo-D3	ThickAsThieves: its easy to explain to a plumber	[17:56]
Diablo-D3	"wordpress is written in php, php makes it easy for you to write code wrong so hackers can come in and fuck your website up"	[17:56]
Diablo-D3	"but why would they do this?"	[17:56]
Diablo-D3	"because they're assholes, Bob, they're assholes"	[17:56]
ThickAsThieves	because its free	[17:56]
ThickAsThieves	his name is actually Bob, lol	[17:57]
Diablo-D3	plumbers are always named Bob	[17:57]
Diablo-D3	its a rule	[17:57]
Diablo-D3	if you name your kid bob, he will grow up to either be a plumber or an electrician	[17:57]
ThickAsThieves	What if you call him Robert	[17:57]
Diablo-D3	mass murderer	[17:58]
ThickAsThieves	Bert the mass murderer, yep	[17:58]
Namworld	...	[17:58]
ThickAsThieves	namworld is named Robert i guess	[17:59]
Diablo-D3	but yeah, storing your blog statically in git and then outsourcing the comments to a service	[17:59]
Diablo-D3	would really cut down on the bullshit	[17:59]
ThickAsThieves	clients want to edit their content in Word tho	[17:59]
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pigeons	lots of sites i dont realize they have comments cause they use javascript to display them from a 3rd party service	[18:00]
Diablo-D3	so? they can copy paste	[18:00]
Diablo-D3	pigeons: er, except said 3rd party services email you on comment	[18:00]
Diablo-D3	which is REALLY FUCKING ANNOYING	[18:00]
Diablo-D3	unless they explicitly set it up as moderation, then thats fine	[18:00]
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pigeons	that's why i use your email address	[18:01]
Diablo-D3	lol but its gmail and gmail filters like a baus	[18:01]
pigeons	bwais	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	lol	[18:07]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 32 @ 0.00564 = 0.1805 BTC [+]	[18:08]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 50 @ 0.00565 = 0.2825 BTC [+]	[18:08]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 300 @ 0.00567 = 1.701 BTC [+]	[18:08]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 10 @ 0.005709 = 0.0571 BTC [+]	[18:08]
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Rick__	Is MPEx back on line/	[18:16]
Rick__	?	[18:16]
FabianB	Rick__: still only here on irc	[18:16]
Rick__	when will it be back on line?	[18:16]
Namworld	No one can know... it's being DDoS'ed	[18:17]
Namworld	Whenever however is DDoS'ing it stops.	[18:17]
smickles	$ping	[18:18]
mpexbot	pong	[18:18]
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Rick__	mircea cant do anything with the "ddos"?	[18:19]
Rick__	what if the ddosing wont stop?	[18:20]
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jurov	i'm working on bringing mpex.coinbr.com onlinw with amazing powers	[18:20]
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jurov	hopefully others, too	[18:20]
Rick__	looking forword to have mpex.coinbr.com back	[18:21]
Namworld	Amazing amazonian powers?	[18:22]
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mircea_popescu	Rick__ as i said, there;'s more hardware coming online, and meanwhile trading works through the bots	[18:23]
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mircea_popescu	have you been reading the forum updates ?	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	also possibly of interest to you, FabianB has released an equivalent of pympex capable of going through the irc bots	[18:23]
smickles	mircea_popescu: would you mind if '$vwap s.dice' returned what one might expect?	[18:24]
mircea_popescu	not at all	[18:24]
smickles	same with $depth s.dice	[18:24]
smickles	ooh, what's this FabianB thing?	[18:24]
mircea_popescu	https://github.com/fawuxi/mpex	[18:25]
FabianB	smickles: it's like pympex	[18:25]
FabianB	just a little smoother interface, more features and can talk to the irc bots	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	someone's gonna one day make a gui	[18:25]
FabianB	as alternative to the http api	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	smickles also of possible interest to you	[18:27]
Namworld	I want a GUI...	[18:27]
mircea_popescu	Mar 09 23:23:07 kakobrekla : can you make assbot ticker identifier to be hungry ?	[18:27]
mircea_popescu	Mar 09 23:23:13 such as !ticker m C600T	[18:27]
pigeons	did you turn normal during your time away from irc smickles?	[18:28]
Rick__	mircea,I can read English,but lots of computer things I dont understand,it's very diffcult for me	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	Rick__ ok. basically, don't panic, we're working on it. even if ddos never stops.	[18:28]
pigeons	Rick__: do you need some trades executed now?	[18:29]
Rick__	nope	[18:29]
Rick__	just care about the website	[18:29]
pigeons	yes, we all cared about her, she's very pretty	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	lol	[18:30]
Rick__	I invest hundreds of coin in it	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	for all the hate that website got, seriously.	[18:30]
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Rick__	so basicly,when will it be back on line?do you have a schedule?	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	Rick__ do you understand how ddos works ?	[18:31]
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Rick__	nope,not at all	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	want me to explain ?	[18:31]
FabianB	problem with GUIs is that its majority of users are ms windows users	[18:31]
Rick__	If you thing I can understand	[18:31]
Rick__	think	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	Rick__ ok lets see. suppose you have a shop somewhere. you make ok money selling things in your shop.	[18:32]
Rick__	yeah	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	one day a customer comes in and says "hi i want to buy a carrot".	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	your shop doesn't sell carrots. you tell him this. he leaves.	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	this is no big deal, really, mistakes happen.	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	the next day, 167`855`212 peopel come to your shop. each of them goes "hi i want to buy a carrot".	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	the queues reach as far as the next town	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	the police wants to fine you because your shop is blocking the traffic	[18:33]
Rick__	okay,that's making sence	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	what can you do ?	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	when will your shop be back taking normal orders ?	[18:33]
Rick__	shut the shop down?	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	well that's not very good is it ?	[18:33]
Rick__	yeah,want shot somebody!	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	hehe.	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	ok so, what you do is either make a much larger shop, or make the shop location secret, or both.	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	i am doing both. however, building a supermarket is not instantaneous.	[18:34]
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Rick__	so the carrot here,what exacly the hacker do ,	[18:35]
Rick__	okay	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	it should have been online by yest, but we ran into supplier problems. that's detailed here :	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=138956.msg1601667#msg1601667	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	read the messages from there on.	[18:35]
Rick__	okay,thank you very much	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	np.	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	FabianB hey, does opengl work on windoze ?	[18:37]
pigeons	yes	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	is there opengl gui lib for py/perl ?	[18:37]
pigeons	dunno, i've played with OGLE for capturing geometry	[18:38]
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FabianB	mircea_popescu: probably, but opengl is good for games and maybe charts, but not so much for normal guis	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	o really ?!	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	why not ?	[18:39]
FabianB	mircea_popescu: it's useful for 3D stuff etc.	[18:39]
smickles	FabianB: looks nice, and good thing to add the ability to go via IRC :)	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	i understand that, but i mean... if it can do that why couldn't it do some window boxes	[18:39]
smickles	mircea_popescu: did kako say he wasn't going to make assbot 'hungry'?	[18:40]
FabianB	sure you can, but it's easier to do GUIs with QT, GTK, Cocoa or Windows native stuff	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	!ticker m P470T	[18:40]
assbot	[MPEX:O.BTCUSD.P470T] 1D: 0.14289205 / 0.14375761 / 0.14485191 (5000 shares, 718.79 BTC), 7D: 0.14289205 / 0.14708052 / 0.18400178 (5450 shares, 801.59 BTC), 30D: 0.14289205 / 0.18072094 / 0.58814383 (5900 shares, 1,066.25 BTC)	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	FabianB a ok	[18:40]
pigeons	yes opengl doesn't have some of the same positioning microsoft's directx has, but opengl is ued on windows	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	i was just thinking one could make a single codebase that's then independently compilable by os	[18:41]
FabianB	qt and gtk are kinda cross OS too; packaging is some work though for windows	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	but maybe that isn't the best way	[18:41]
jonny3	!help	[18:41]
assbot	List of commands:	[18:41]
assbot	!ticker (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)	[18:41]
assbot	!mp (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)	[18:41]
FabianB	mircea_popescu: the code can be done in a single codebase, but not the packaging	[18:41]
pigeons	ncurses	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	FabianB well if you use win stuff for instance, that won't be compilable in linux	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	lol ncurses	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	if mpex gui ends up as a wine supported thing ima shoot myself	[18:42]
pigeons	yeah wine has a lib for exactly that, building cross-platform gui apps	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	somebody just mentioned it here :p	[18:43]
smickles	lol, opengl. Let's make a 3d gui for mpex. heh, or maybe something like a minecraft interface to mpex :D	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	that's why i said	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	smickles hey, didn't you have a minecraft server ?	[18:43]
gabridome	thank you mircea that was really illuminating:"the next day, 167`855`212 peopel come to your shop. each of them goes "hi i want to buy a carrot".	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	gabridome :p	[18:44]
Namworld	Well that's pretty much what a DDoS is.	[18:44]
pigeons	i could go for telnet to an mpex mud	[18:44]
smickles	mircea_popescu: yeah, i've got a minecraft server	[18:44]
Namworld	Except the people are mindless zombies controlled by a hacker.	[18:45]
smickles	well, it's tekkit, specifically	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	smickles what do you want to build a mpex hq on minecraft ?	[18:45]
smickles	and we'll probably move to feed the beast	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	complete with being able to put in orders ?	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	pigeons make it!	[18:45]
smickles	heh, could be fun	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	indeed lol	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	i might even try out minecraft for this	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	Namworld i should have said "voters" shouldn't i have.	[18:46]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60399999 BTC [-]	[18:48]
smickles	the thing about minecraft mods is, text based ones are quick and easy, in-game gui ones are a bit tougher, and 'in-game in-game' ones take a lot of time	[18:48]
smickles	and a text one would be useless because it be like irc, but take longer open	[18:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.604 = 2.416 BTC [+]	[18:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499995 BTC [+]	[18:50]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.72 = 2.88 BTC [-]	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	smickles it's nothing but fun side-project really	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	if you ever felt like getting into game-making this'd be a great in	[18:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499997 BTC [+]	[18:51]
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smickles	I did make a minecraft market mod which allowed players to buy and sell items/blocks at prices based on server-wide demand	[18:53]
FabianB	well java would be cross platform too, but no-one likes java guis (both users and developers)	[18:53]
smickles	ugly things those are	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	java is evil.	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	BUT	[18:53]
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mircea_popescu	because of the way mpex works, the worst that can happen isn't really too bad at all	[18:53]
smickles	;;ticker	[18:54]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 47.30807, Best ask: 47.39936, Bid-ask spread: 0.09129, Last trade: 47.40000, 24 hour volume: 33231.78608909, 24 hour low: 45.23481, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 46.88175	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	smickles "a lot of work" is it because you need art made ?	[18:54]
smickles	naw, minecraft art is simple stuff, the issue is fitting it into play in a way that makes sence	[18:55]
FabianB	and on top: GUIs attract people that need a lot of support; telling someone to type XY into a commandline is easy (can be copy/pasted); telling someone to first click on Y, type X and point the mouse to Z is cumbersome	[18:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 499 @ 0.005884 = 2.9361 BTC [+]	[18:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 7176 @ 0.00588401 = 42.2237 BTC [+]	[18:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 9410 @ 0.00593938 = 55.8896 BTC [+]	[18:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 5415 @ 0.00598314 = 32.3987 BTC [+]	[18:55]
smickles	;;ident	[18:56]
gribble	You are not identified.	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	FabianB this is very true	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	gui is really a stupid way to interact with numeric machines, but hey.	[18:56]
gabridome	what about a javascript platform? security not enough?	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	gabridome security is not an issue really, because the messaging itself is encrypted	[18:57]
FabianB	gabridome: already exists: coinbr.com	[18:57]
mircea_popescu	the only concern is not losing the user's gpg keys	[18:57]
gabridome	I use WebPG	[18:57]
mircea_popescu	as long as it doesn't get cracked.	[18:58]
smickles	just make the gui look exactly like bitcoinica did	[18:58]
smickles	;;sell 20 btc @ 49.82 usd	[18:58]
gribble	Order id 13941 created.	[18:58]
gabridome	yeah. And there's also the esclamation point issue I couldn't deal with probably..	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[18:59]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 47.35000, Best ask: 47.40000, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 47.35000, 24 hour volume: 33191.53570187, 24 hour low: 45.23481, 24 hour high: 47.95000, 24 hour vwap: 46.88337	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	aww i thought we're at 49.x	[18:59]
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FabianB	good thing i did the IRC extension, coz it made me implement the interactive mode; very nice to work with mpex in its own shell	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	i actually think there is a new business model being born here.	[19:01]
gabridome	is it easy to install ruby on Mac?	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	offer saas to mpex users : give them a fixed ip vps and handle support for mpex connectivity	[19:01]
FabianB	gabridome: it's shipped with mac, but old version and yes it's easy	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	charge whatever	[19:01]
gabridome	thanks. Will give it a try	[19:01]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 5 @ 0.00591 = 0.0296 BTC [+]	[19:03]
Bowjob	damn, litecoin	[19:04]
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kakobrekla	ThickAsThieves looks like its live http://bitbet.us/bet/297/litecoin-surges-to-02-bitcoins-per-litecoin/	[19:06]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 5 @ 0.00591 = 0.0296 BTC [+]	[19:07]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 62 @ 0.000725 = 0.045 BTC [+]	[19:10]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.000725 BTC [+]	[19:10]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.72 BTC [-]	[19:13]
gabridome	coinbr.com looks like down. Is it?	[19:13]
Bowjob	litecoin at 35 cents	[19:13]
Bowjob	damn	[19:13]
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ThickAsThieves	still cant get my withdrawal from burnside...	[19:16]
mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/298/mpex-co-still-offline-friday-march-15th/ lmao	[19:19]
mircea_popescu	who's the smartass	[19:19]
gabridome	FabianB:upgraded last version with brew (1.8.7) and tryed to install but:ERROR: Error installing mpex: ERROR: Failed to build gem native extension. Don't want to spam the channel but could you give me a way to support?	[19:21]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 25 @ 0.005905 = 0.1476 BTC [-]	[19:22]
mircea_popescu	what;'s the logfiles say ?	[19:22]
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gabridome	mircea_popescu: that look like a challenge. I'ignore it	[19:24]
gabridome	I'd ignore it	[19:24]
mircea_popescu	lol. but seriously, it probably spits out something more useful in a log somewhere.	[19:24]
mircea_popescu	you're prolly missing some itam.	[19:25]
gabridome	I'llgo find the logs...	[19:25]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.009989 BTC [-]	[19:27]
gabridome	xcode-select: Error: No Xcode is selected. Use xcode-select -switch , or see the xcode-select manpage (man xcode-select) for further information.	[19:27]
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mircea_popescu	da fuck is xcode	[19:30]
pigeons	apple's compiler/environment whatever	[19:31]
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gabridome	?m downloading the new version right now	[19:33]
smickles	mircea_popescu: what's vsa again?	[19:34]
pigeons	yeah use a computer not an apple	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	smickles volume in satoshi	[19:34]
pigeons	well an apple II is a computer, but not a imacbook	[19:34]
smickles	thx :)	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	pigeons so a sort of borland pascal ?	[19:35]
pigeons	TURBO pascal	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	heh i think pastebin.com is getting ddosed too.	[19:35]
pigeons	Delphi++	[19:36]
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FabianB	gabridome: as the readme says you need ruby > 1.9 or 2.0	[19:38]
smickles	ok, it's privitive, but it's there:	[19:38]
smickles	$help vwap	[19:38]
mpexbot	smickles: (vwap []) -- Returns a pastebin link with all available market data, excepting depth. If an MPSIC is specified, returns only the data relevant to that MPSIC in IRC.	[19:38]
smickles	$help depth	[19:38]
mpexbot	smickles: (depth []) -- Returns the full market depth. If an MPSIC is specified, returns only the depth of the specified MPSIC.	[19:38]
benkay	nice	[19:39]
benkay	$depth	[19:39]
mpexbot	benkay: http://pastebin.com/pNPn50Nk	[19:39]
smickles	benkay: there is also $post to send mpex commands, if you didn't know already ;)	[19:39]
benkay	i am familiar	[19:39]
benkay	thank you	[19:39]
benkay	do you have a moment to answer some rando questions, smickles?	[19:40]
smickles	go ahead :)	[19:40]
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kakobrekla	what is the air speed velocity of an african swallow?	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	unswallowed ?	[19:42]
pigeons	do you like gladiator movies?	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	how many memes are there ?	[19:43]
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mircea_popescu	hmm, smickles has failed to answer our questions. this is clearly a scam	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	there has been a full minute elapsed already.	[19:44]
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smickles	philosophically speaking from a radical skepticism point of view, the answer to all of those is "i don't know"	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	$post U4KC19nM	[19:47]
smickles	:P	[19:47]
mpexbot	mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/5ZNPXqdz	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	it's official, mpex is using new signature	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	3D57448E80A56F64F1D35E8F14460196CFE0F3E1 / CFE0F3E1	[19:50]
Bowjob	so mp, doing any LTC mpex soon	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	make sure you update if you haven't already.	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	Bowjob nah	[19:50]
Bowjob	i find it baffling it reaches 35 cents	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	mania.	[19:50]
Bowjob	considering it's a get rich quick	[19:51]
Bowjob	scheme..	[19:51]
Bowjob	heck they openly admitted it on litecoin.org until recently	[19:51]
Bowjob	lol	[19:51]
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ThickAsThieves	ozcoin is already #2 pool	[19:54]
ThickAsThieves	so much for that bet maturing	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves http://blockchain.info/pools?timespan=4days conspicuously absent	[19:56]
kakobrekla	;;getrating benkay	[19:57]
gribble	This user has not yet been rated. Currently authenticated from hostmask benkay!~benkay@c-71-193-200-93.hsd1.or.comcast.net .	[19:57]
benkay	hence my request :)	[19:57]
kakobrekla	;;rate benkay 1 mpex socket subscriber	[19:57]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user benkay has been recorded.	[19:57]
benkay	my first rating!	[19:58]
kakobrekla	congrats :)	[19:58]
benkay	;;rate kakobrekla 1 mpex socket hookup	[19:58]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user kakobrekla has been recorded.	[19:58]
benkay	thanks	[19:59]
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gabridome	Pardon FabianB: seen just now. There's no brew formula for ruby 1.9. I guess I have to wait...	[20:01]
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ThickAsThieves	ah my mistake the chart i was viewing says top pools that are 'asic ready'	[20:01]
ThickAsThieves	http://organofcorti.blogspot.com/	[20:01]
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mod6	Hey all. So I think I'm just gonna play with this thing a bit today, but it should be a lot less testing in here. I'm gonna change this thing so when it just sits in here, it looks for a msg from the owner defined by a pgp keyid and it'll verify with gribble via keyid & hostmask & if authenticated currently.	[20:02]
mod6	Then it can just msg mpexbot and get the stuff back without the additional join/part spammyness.	[20:03]
mod6	That code from yesterday worked, but kinda fucks a donkey.	[20:03]
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mod6	=)	[20:03]
deadweasel	i wish the devs I work with were as honest as you.	[20:03]
benkay	only mod6 smiles about fucking donkeys	[20:03]
benkay	humility	[20:04]
deadweasel	i dunno, donkey shows are pretty big in the mexico	[20:04]
benkay	my favorite coders are ultra humble	[20:04]
deadweasel	mine too	[20:04]
benkay	i seek to emulate that	[20:04]
deadweasel	i'm lucky, my team is quite humble, except for the crappy two. they fuck everything up and spend a whole sprint doing one shite feature.	[20:05]
benkay	fire them	[20:05]
deadweasel	which everyone else fixes in the next sprint	[20:05]
benkay	are they shit or juniors?	[20:05]
deadweasel	I think she is leaving, I saw her updating her resume last week, AT WORK.	[20:05]
deadweasel	she is not bright.	[20:05]
deadweasel	juniors	[20:05]
benkay	sad	[20:05]
benkay	but could they be trained into high performers?	[20:06]
assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01111 BTC [-]	[20:06]
assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 99 @ 0.0111 = 1.0989 BTC [-]	[20:06]
benkay	i'm only moderately competent due to the generosity of senior engineers at every firm i've ever been a part of.	[20:06]
benkay	w/r/t time, energy...	[20:06]
deadweasel	no. :(	[20:06]
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benkay	fire them.	[20:08]
benkay	what kind of shop do work in?	[20:09]
mod6	lol, its been so long since i've written anything that interacts with irc. its kinda fun to write something like this. 250 million internet years ago, when the aol ice caps were still melting, I used Net::IRC a bunch, but now its deprecated. :/	[20:10]
mod6	this new lib seems to do the trick though	[20:10]
deadweasel	the aol ice caps, lol	[20:11]
deadweasel	theres a few left, adrift in the north seas, they're like retarded unicorns	[20:11]
mod6	haha	[20:12]
mod6	yes.	[20:12]
FabianB	gabridome: yep, wait or use http://rvm.io or compile yourself	[20:12]
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deadweasel	i cringe when someone has @aol.com email	[20:12]
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gabridome	FabianB: I've succeded to compile it with the new version of Xcode!!! Now it gives me errors about No definition for rb_s_gpgme* maybe is the ruby version...	[20:12]
deadweasel	benkay: it's an AGILE/SCRUM team about 12 big, doing vetconnectplus.com	[20:14]
FabianB	gabridome: with xcode? ok.	[20:14]
FabianB	gabridome: well, you need > 1.9	[20:15]
deadweasel	it aggregates data from local vetinary machines and labs sent to regional labs, displays it altogether one historical graphs for vetinary diagnoses	[20:15]
FabianB	and gpg needs to installed	[20:15]
benkay	WHAT DEADWEASAL LETS GET BEERS	[20:15]
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benkay	assuming you're working out of the idexx facility in portland	[20:15]
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deadweasel	haha, yes	[20:15]
benkay	omgaweseom	[20:16]
deadweasel	westbrook	[20:16]
benkay	omgawesome	[20:16]
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mircea_popescu	lmao	[20:16]
deadweasel	benkay: where are you?	[20:16]
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gabridome	Sincerly FabianB: thank you for your assistance but to manage more than one version of ruby or to compile Ruby on a non Linux environment is much further my knowledge. I'll wait a bit if brew issue a new formula for Ruby	[20:16]
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FabianB	gabridome: np	[20:17]
gabridome	ruby	[20:17]
gabridome	np?	[20:17]
gabridome	ah no problem.	[20:18]
gabridome	what	[20:19]
FabianB	if i'm around i like to help, but i probably won't support 1.8, since it's old and no good irc libs out for it	[20:19]
FabianB	also in a high speed train right now, not really stable internet :)	[20:20]
gabridome	yeah I guessed it. better to wait for better libs	[20:20]
gabridome	http://mpex.coinbr.com/ on line! Am I drunk?	[20:21]
benkay	nope	[20:22]
FabianB	Rick__: ^^	[20:22]
benkay	cheers	[20:22]
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mircea_popescu	sweet.	[20:22]
mircea_popescu	applause for jurov.	[20:22]
jurov	oh, that remains to be seen	[20:23]
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gabridome	clap clap. Is it possible to remove:"The only Bitcoin service that has never been hacked. Established August 2011" it looks strange... ;)	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	strange, how ? :D	[20:23]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 99 @ 0.1737 = 17.1963 BTC [+]	[20:24]
gabridome	I swear I swear that I wanted to bet...	[20:24]
gabridome	I have to modify my shell script..	[20:26]
gabridome	changed my shell script: https://github.com/gabridome/mpex-sh/blob/master/mpex.sh	[20:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.60499999 = 1.21 BTC [+]	[20:30]
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Lyspooner	did the mpex ddos'er at least pay a subscription fee to MP?	[20:35]
Lyspooner	seems unfair if not	[20:36]
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mircea_popescu	Lyspooner lol how do you figure ?	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	also kakobrekla, mind changing the topic ?	[20:36]
smickles	"These keys are only used when there are other recipients given either by use of --recipient or by the asked user id. No trust checking is performed for these user ids and even disabled keys can be used."	[20:38]
smickles	lol, woops	[20:38]
jurov	Lyspooner, like, he issued gigabytes of STAT requests?	[20:40]
smickles	gabridome: pull request ;)	[20:41]
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maximian	FabianB: your mpex gem is excellent	[20:41]
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smickles	oh hey mircea_popescu, you should ident and repost the new keyid	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	okay	[20:43]
smickles	so we know it's fo' realzies	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	;;eauth mircea_popescu	[20:43]
gribble	Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	(you know it was published ion trilema a while back)	[20:43]
smickles	did not know, is trilema back up?	[20:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.60499999 = 1.21 BTC [+]	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:3b6fd8223825264e5fc51a61232399173363cd6a3672c77d8374c3e7	[20:44]
gribble	You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	aha. ok so : new mpex key 3D57448E80A56F64F1D35E8F14460196CFE0F3E1 / CFE0F3E1	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	also mpex.coinbr.com back online	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	smickles nope	[20:45]
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smickles	mpex PUSH is awesome :D	[20:45]
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dub	coinbr still down though eh	[20:49]
pizzaman1337	why a new key?	[20:49]
dub	not processing orders anyway	[20:49]
pizzaman1337	I noticed it was rejecting my orders	[20:49]
pigeons	cause he's too lasy to extend expiration	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	dub make sure you're using new mpex key/	[20:50]
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mircea_popescu	pizzaman1337 cause the old one expired	[20:50]
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mircea_popescu	and it was too short anyway	[20:50]
kakobrekla	like ziz?	[20:50]
dub	mircea_popescu: using coinbr ont the proxy	[20:50]
dub	not*	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	a, coinbr sucks, don't use it	[20:51]
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gabridome	smickless: remember to change youKeyID and to put eventually the esclamation point	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	dub but seriously, will be back momentarily.	[20:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499999 BTC [+]	[20:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499997 BTC [-]	[20:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499998 BTC [+]	[20:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.605 = 1.21 BTC [+]	[20:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499999 BTC [-]	[20:56]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499999 BTC [-]	[20:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.605 BTC [+]	[20:58]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 3 @ 0.18 = 0.54 BTC [+]	[21:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 2758 @ 0.00598314 = 16.5015 BTC [+]	[21:03]
pizzaman1337	mircea_popescu: gpg doesn't seem to be able to find that key for me, would you mind posting the key block somewhere?	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	sure.	[21:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.59999999 BTC [-]	[21:06]
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kakobrekla	!mp http://dpaste.com/1018523/	[21:07]
assbot	Processing.	[21:07]
assbot	Response: http://dpaste.com/1018524/plain/	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	pizzaman1337 http://pastebin.com/9M25zBr7	[21:07]
pizzaman1337	thanks	[21:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.6 = 1.2 BTC [+]	[21:08]
kakobrekla	!mp http://dpaste.com/1018525/	[21:09]
assbot	Processing.	[21:09]
assbot	Response: http://dpaste.com/1018527/plain/	[21:09]
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kakobrekla	!mp http://dpaste.com/1018529/	[21:12]
assbot	Processing.	[21:12]
assbot	Response: http://dpaste.com/1018530/plain/	[21:12]
kakobrekla	!mp http://dpaste.com/1018531/	[21:13]
assbot	Processing.	[21:13]
assbot	Response: http://dpaste.com/1018532/plain/	[21:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499998 BTC [+]	[21:14]
pizzaman1337	nice to see S.DICE up a bit	[21:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499998 BTC [+]	[21:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.60499999 = 1.21 BTC [+]	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla did it work ?	[21:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.60499998 = 1.21 BTC [-]	[21:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.60499999 = 1.815 BTC [+]	[21:18]
kakobrekla	who what where?	[21:18]
kakobrekla	the bot, works.	[21:18]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.225 BTC [+]	[21:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499998 BTC [-]	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	a kk.	[21:20]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.60499998 BTC [-]	[21:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.60499999 = 2.42 BTC [+]	[21:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.605 = 1.21 BTC [+]	[21:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 846 @ 0.00599989 = 5.0759 BTC [+]	[21:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 1654 @ 0.006 = 9.924 BTC [+]	[21:21]
gabridome	mircea_popescu:the new key is 1024 long and has no expiry date. Is it ok?	[21:22]
pigeons	dont bother asking the fingerprint, just the lenght and expiry date	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	it has no expiry date but it's 4kb	[21:23]
gabridome	key ID: 14460196CFE0F3E1?	[21:24]
pizzaman1337	kakobrekla: bot to arb S.DICE on mpex/havelock?	[21:24]
FabianB	maximian: thanks, if you have any suggestions i'll constantly try to improve it	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	gabridome sounds right.	[21:24]
kakobrekla	pizzaman1337 it should be done, but depth is kinda meh	[21:25]
pigeons	speaking of	[21:25]
pizzaman1337	yeah, really small	[21:25]
pigeons	topace_: looks like your mpex transfer script needs to look for the sig by the new mpex key	[21:25]
gabridome	so I guess gpg tools keyring doesn't read well the lenght(?) mmhhh	[21:25]
kakobrekla	pigeons doing manual arb?	[21:25]
gabridome	I've got to check something	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	gabridome the old one was 1k/4k	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	im sorry. 1k/2k	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	thios one is 1k/4k.	[21:26]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.71997 BTC [-]	[21:28]
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gabridome	yeah..Beg your pardon. You should be tierd to answer question to newbies. I didn't check the subkeys...	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	i don't mind	[21:31]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 3 @ 0.000725 = 0.0022 BTC [+]	[21:31]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 35 @ 0.00549 = 0.1922 BTC [-]	[21:32]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 12 @ 0.00066 = 0.0079 BTC [-]	[21:33]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 50 @ 0.00585 = 0.2925 BTC [-]	[21:34]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 37 @ 0.00999 = 0.3696 BTC [+]	[21:36]
maximian	Here's something interesting - the average SatoshiDice bet size doesn't appear to relate to the BTC/USD exchange rate as many assume. Analysis by dooglus: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=80312.msg1606184#msg1606184	[21:37]
gabridome	I've updated the shell script with the id of the new key https://github.com/gabridome/mpex-sh/blob/master/mpex.sh	[21:38]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 15 @ 0.00585 = 0.0878 BTC [-]	[21:38]
maximian	it could be that the rise in the exchange rate is being offset by more players	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	maximian interesting.	[21:42]
mircea_popescu	when was that released ?	[21:42]
maximian	today	[21:43]
mircea_popescu	might explain the s.dice surge	[21:43]
maximian	could be… we might see a nice recovery back to the .0070s	[21:44]
pizzaman1337	big wall at 0.00622500 though	[21:44]
maximian	yep, and trade volume is still light. probably no big moves without some news.	[21:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.71997 BTC [-]	[21:47]
maximian	still, nice to see some some demand return	[21:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00075 = 1.5 BTC [+]	[21:50]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.71998 BTC [+]	[21:51]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.71998 BTC [+]	[21:53]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 0.7 = 4.9 BTC [-]	[21:55]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 2 @ 0.1799 = 0.3598 BTC [-]	[21:58]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 6 @ 0.23 = 1.38 BTC [+]	[21:59]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.69 = 1.38 BTC [-]	[22:00]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.68 BTC [-]	[22:00]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.67 BTC [-]	[22:00]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.66 = 1.98 BTC [-]	[22:00]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.65 = 1.3 BTC [-]	[22:00]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.65 = 1.3 BTC [-]	[22:00]
topace_	pigeons: yea, i need to get that new key in there	[22:00]
topace_	gotta find the details on it.. since mpex is down i dont know where to look	[22:01]
topace_	(mpex.co website down, i mean)	[22:01]
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topace_	is there a working mpex proxy besides the bot here?	[22:02]
MJR__	lol mined 50 Ltc last night dumping it now	[22:03]
topace_	can't even get to mp's blog to get the gpg key data	[22:03]
MJR__	yeah I miss polimedia	[22:04]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.7 = 3.5 BTC [+]	[22:04]
jurov	https://github.com/jurov/pyMPEx new mpex key was not done properly, changing mpex url via -m commandline switch	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	topace yes, mpex.coinbr.com works	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	also, key :	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	http://pastebin.com/9M25zBr7	[22:06]
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mjr_	whats up jurov how you been?	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	i mean topace_ ^	[22:07]
mjr_	that was a nice experience, ltc into btc-e, traded for btc, and gone back to coinbr in less than a half hour	[22:07]
jurov	mjr_ well, i got sick of the whole situation (as if i catched cold)	[22:08]
mjr_	what situation?	[22:08]
topace_	mircea_popescu: please confirm fingerprint: 3D57 448E 80A5 6F64 F1D3 5E8F 1446 0196 CFE0 F3E1 ?	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	3D57448E80A56F64F1D35E8F14460196CFE0F3E1 / CFE0F3E1 yeh	[22:10]
FabianB	released mpex cli 0.4.5 which includes new mpex key in default config, basic orderbook in http and irc version (https://github.com/fawuxi/mpex)	[22:11]
jurov	mjr_ had to very quickly move whole site and learn how amazon ec2 works	[22:11]
FabianB	if there are existing users: key can be changed in ~/.mpex/config.yaml	[22:11]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.23 = 0.46 BTC [+]	[22:15]
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topace_	pympex keeps telling me invalid signature,. but i have the new one in my keyring, and its signed	[22:21]
topace_	oh its telling me to email you my public key first	[22:23]
topace_	2013-03-10T16:21:04.028098 Unrecognized signature. Please email your public key first.	[22:23]
FabianB	topace_: did you edit in the new one in the source?	[22:24]
jurov	topace, did you upgrade to my versionabove?	[22:24]
topace_	jurov: yes i did just did a fresh git clone	[22:24]
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mircea_popescu	hm	[22:24]
pizzaman1337	pympex works for me, I just edited the key. Make sure you sign the new one too.	[22:25]
topace_	ah there we go	[22:25]
topace_	got it	[22:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.0059998 = 11.9996 BTC [-]	[22:27]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.602 = 3.01 BTC [-]	[22:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.601 = 3.005 BTC [-]	[22:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.600002 = 5.4 BTC [-]	[22:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.6 = 3 BTC [-]	[22:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.59 = 1.77 BTC [-]	[22:29]
topace_	pigeons: mpex transfer should work again now	[22:29]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 14 @ 0.00999 = 0.1399 BTC [+]	[22:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.59 = 5.9 BTC [-]	[22:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.59 = 2.95 BTC [-]	[22:47]
kakobrekla	what that, two klins?	[22:47]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.59 = 4.72 BTC [-]	[22:49]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.19 BTC [-]	[22:56]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 31 @ 0.1853 = 5.7443 BTC [-]	[22:56]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 8 @ 0.18521 = 1.4817 BTC [-]	[22:56]
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dub	rule 1 of amurika, thou shalt not disparage driving around in a circle http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/racing/news/20130308/nascar-fine-denny-hamlin-las-vegas-preview/	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	dub the funny thing is, one of the things american ppl in england tend to mock is the roundabouts	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	and yet...	[22:59]
deadweasel	i'm american, I love roundabouts	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	well maybe i was stereotyping unwarrantedly.	[23:00]
MJR__	gonna drive straight, then turn to the left	[23:00]
dub	turning right is the devils work	[23:00]
MJR__	did you see that South Park?	[23:00]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.7 = 7 BTC [+]	[23:02]
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topace_	mircea_popescu: so i just got a push receipt, that validates, but there arent any extra units in my account to account for the push?	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	that is strange. let me look	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	;;ident topace_	[23:12]
gribble	Nick 'topace_', with hostmask 'topace_!~kvirc@CPEc0c1c03be745-CM00407b85cf6f.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com', is not identified.	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	id please ?	[23:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 60 @ 0.0059998 = 0.36 BTC [-]	[23:13]
topace_	08AEAC40F3086E6131B39762A49472A32D4FCE50	[23:13]
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mircea_popescu	if you can't id with that i'll have to ask you to sign something.	[23:14]
topace_	;;ident topace	[23:14]
gribble	Nick 'topace', with hostmask 'topace!~kvirc@unaffiliated/topace', is not identified.	[23:14]
pigeons	;;ident topace_	[23:14]
gribble	Nick 'topace_', with hostmask 'topace_!~kvirc@unaffiliated/topace', is not identified.	[23:14]
topace_	hmm guess i never setup gpg with gribble	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	sign a short explanation, date it, limit it and pastebin	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	"this is to prove key ownership over irc session 10 mar 2013 not valid for any other purpose"	[23:15]
topace_	http://paste.ubuntu.com/5603186/	[23:17]
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mjr_	how do i link a btc address with gribble?	[23:24]
mjr_	;;identr	[23:24]
gribble	Error: "identr" is not a valid command.	[23:24]
mjr_	;;ident	[23:24]
gribble	You are not identified.	[23:24]
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Josh_Rossi	;;ident	[23:25]
gribble	You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address None	[23:25]
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Josh_Rossi	so i can't find any info on the wiki about adding a bitcoin address	[23:32]
Azelphur	Josh_Rossi: care to elaborate on what you're trying to do?	[23:34]
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dub	add btc address to his otc user I think	[23:36]
dub	;;guide	[23:36]
gribble	Error: "guide" is not a valid command.	[23:36]
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Josh_Rossi	;;ident	[23:40]
gribble	You are identified as user Josh_Rossi, with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address 1LokQrHj14NU93tC6pZfTZyyRHhAVakQmX	[23:40]
pigeons	its ;;changeaddress	[23:40]
Josh_Rossi	thanks guys	[23:40]
Josh_Rossi	yeah, i got it, i thought that was going to change my pgp address	[23:40]
dub	the docs are retarded	[23:40]
Josh_Rossi	but i realized that you are just changing the btc address from none to whatever	[23:41]
Josh_Rossi	well, i got that all taken care of	[23:41]
dub	so can you ident via bitcoin key now?	[23:41]
Josh_Rossi	i think so	[23:42]
Anduck	yes	[23:42]
Anduck	do ;;bcauth and when you get the string	[23:42]
Anduck	sign it with the btc addr	[23:42]
Josh_Rossi	but i already set up a script to do it with pgp	[23:42]
Anduck	then do ;;bcverify	[23:42]
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Anduck	bitcoin is so much better imo	[23:43]
Anduck	xD	[23:43]
Anduck	i havent touched my gpg since that	[23:43]
vampireb	!help	[23:43]
assbot	List of commands:	[23:43]
assbot	!ticker (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO)	[23:43]
assbot	!mp (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)	[23:43]
vampireb	!ticker mpex s.dice	[23:43]
assbot	[MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.005884 / 0.00594534 / 0.006 (30318 shares, 180.25 BTC), 7D: 0.00300001 / 0.0056036 / 0.006225 (414146 shares, 2,320.71 BTC), 30D: 0.00300001 / 0.00616133 / 0.0069 (3639066 shares, 22,421.49 BTC)	[23:43]
Josh_Rossi	well, i kind of want to start using pgp for certain emails	[23:43]
Josh_Rossi	i had a long discussion with someone about how online identities may become much more valuable than social security numbers or drivers licenses	[23:44]
Josh_Rossi	because while you do need those	[23:44]
Josh_Rossi	you don't use them as often as you go online	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	certainly true.	[23:45]
vampireb	that's why you start creating few seperate identities	[23:45]
Josh_Rossi	and for the most part in real life, people trust you to be you cuz you look the same	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	moreover, if i lost my id i would be meh, send someone to get a new one	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	if i lost my gpg key i'd be like...	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	o god.	[23:45]
Josh_Rossi	hehehe yeah	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	there's no words.	[23:45]
Josh_Rossi	scary thought	[23:46]
error4733	amnesia	[23:46]
Josh_Rossi	is there some sort of certificate system?	[23:46]
error4733	car accident or what	[23:46]
Josh_Rossi	like key signing? or does gribble basically do that for us	[23:46]
Josh_Rossi	i mean fulfill the role that a key signing party would have fulfilled	[23:47]
Josh_Rossi	i literally feel like i'm living cryptonomicon	[23:47]
Josh_Rossi	i assume that everyone has read or is aware of that book...but if not it is amazing book about cryptography and digital currencies that was written before btc took off i think	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	Josh_Rossi you mean the wot ?	[23:49]
Josh_Rossi	yeah '99 it was written	[23:49]
Josh_Rossi	yes, does the WoT take the role of a key signing party	[23:49]
Josh_Rossi	or a certificate authority	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	um	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	rather than the nominalist approach, try the functional	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	what are you trying to do ?	[23:50]
Josh_Rossi	lol, as of right now, nothing	[23:50]
dub	no, wot is just a wot	[23:50]
Josh_Rossi	or i guess more accurately, learn more about how trust and cryptography are related	[23:50]
Josh_Rossi	for example	[23:50]
Josh_Rossi	i saw MPOE-PR show a sig that verified that she was authorized to speak on behalf of MPOE	[23:51]
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Josh_Rossi	So, I imported your key	[23:51]
Josh_Rossi	and verified that you signed it	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	aha	[23:52]
Josh_Rossi	but it also said something like "this message is signed by this key, but that does not mean that it is really him"	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	that's nonsense.	[23:53]
Josh_Rossi	no no no	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	what they mean is, anyone can create a key which would be named "Joe"	[23:53]
Josh_Rossi	someone with access to that private key	[23:53]
Josh_Rossi	yes exactly	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	however, you didn't identify the key by it being named joe	[23:53]
FabianB	Josh_Rossi: yeah stephensons cryptonomicon is a fantastic book	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	you identified it by my keyid. so...	[23:53]
Josh_Rossi	i guess they are saying that while that key is definitely valid	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	the label on it is arbitrary	[23:54]
Josh_Rossi	yes true	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	exactly.	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	:p	[23:54]
Josh_Rossi	and in your case, it is known that that is your key	[23:54]
Josh_Rossi	but in the case of someone else	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	ya hence the key signing parties and whatnot.	[23:55]
Josh_Rossi	all i know is that they say "this is my pub key"	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	originally these keys were invented for and used by people whose real world presence was more important to each other	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	gpg kinda predates the internet	[23:55]
Josh_Rossi	yeah	[23:55]
Josh_Rossi	just checking if i understood it correctly	[23:56]
Josh_Rossi	i trust that they key i used was really you	[23:56]
dub	for us it doesnt matter if its really him	[23:56]
Josh_Rossi	and then i can see that the key actually signed that statement	[23:56]
dub	or that he is who he says he is	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	that's the idea, whart dub says	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	you're not really verifying that the key is really this bloke in timisoara you couldn't care less about	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	you're really veryifying that the key signing here is the same key signing there	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	as for instance on mpex etc.	[23:57]
Josh_Rossi	yes of course	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	so it's an identity in that more mathematical sense, not in the more psychological sense of the term.	[23:57]
Josh_Rossi	that is what i was trying to say, that it is consistent across different channels	[23:57]
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Josh_Rossi	the same person who runs mpex also wrote a statement saying that mpoe-pr is authorized to speak on its behalf	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	yah	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	if that matches, it could be called obama for all you care.	[23:58]
Josh_Rossi	yes	[23:58]
Josh_Rossi	true	[23:58]
Josh_Rossi	i'm trying to build a ticker now using websockets	[23:59]
Josh_Rossi	but the rest of the front end uses C#	[23:59]

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