Forum logs for 10 Jul 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

BingoBoingo	Ah, wrong version	[00:00]
asciilifeform	what version was the patch for ?	[00:01]
BingoBoingo	stator. I mean wrong version of the revision, lemme pull up init.cpp and fix this	[00:01]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: no reason to hurry	[00:02]
mod6	true. and perhaps use unified diff	[00:02]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: i normally post patches after i read five times or so, and test them (to the point where 150,000+ blocks are pulled)	[00:02]
BingoBoingo	no idea what unified diff means	[00:02]
BingoBoingo	By yes, playing with this one first.	[00:02]
asciilifeform	there's a handy page on therealbitcoin.org	[00:02]
asciilifeform	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-December/000022.html	[00:03]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1dPtbjZ )	[00:03]
mod6	asciilifeform is quicker on the draw than me tonight.	[00:03]
asciilifeform	congrats to BingoBoingo though, for taking the gloves off and going at the patch game	[00:03]
mod6	i just had that in hand.	[00:03]
mod6	yeah, thasnks BingoBoingo	[00:03]
mod6	anyway, that link is a bit old as it describes the directories as: bitcoin-bitcoin-a8def6b	[00:04]
mod6	but you'll get the general idea.	[00:04]
mod6	ask in here if you get stuck, but again, no rush.	[00:05]
BingoBoingo	Actual changes http://dpaste.com/1Y0MG37 will look at actually submitting after more reading and testing and learning process	[00:06]
assbot	dpaste: 1Y0MG37 ... ( http://bit.ly/1dPthIi )	[00:06]
BingoBoingo	Surprised how little change this seems to take vs. 0.9 Bitcoin CORE implementation of flag	[00:07]
asciilifeform	wai didja just return printf("... ?	[00:08]
BingoBoingo	I know nothing better to do	[00:08]
asciilifeform	a few other nitpicks. the all-caps convention in bitcoind refers to constants	[00:10]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: printf happens to return 1 (true) if it succeeded in printf-ing	[00:11]
asciilifeform	so you'd want to printf and then return false	[00:11]
asciilifeform	this is not seriously important in this case, but it follows 'unix philosophy' in the sense that a proggy returning false lets you use its failure as part of a shell script	[00:12]
asciilifeform	that's pretty much it.	[00:13]
asciilifeform	not a bad start BingoBoingo	[00:14]
asciilifeform	this patch is gonna be a first-class bitch to actually test though..	[00:15]
asciilifeform	really gotta write a proper node monitor	[00:15]
asciilifeform	(tx incoming, tx relayed, blocks...)	[00:15]
asciilifeform	('incoming' in the network may-or-may-not-relay sense, rather than coins sense)	[00:16]
asciilifeform	oughta be able to watch the 'vital signs' of a node, if one wishes	[00:16]
asciilifeform	see forks with own eyes, pop open a block and scroll the tx, etc.	[00:17]
asciilifeform	anybody here likes programming for x11 ?	[00:17]
*	asciilifeform listens to the sound of silence	[00:17]
asciilifeform	~another~ interesting scientific instrument would be a fly trap for invalid tx	[00:18]
asciilifeform	which would collect, in a zoo	[00:18]
asciilifeform	who is sending what kind of retarded tx, and why?	[00:18]
asciilifeform	how often - bad sig	[00:19]
asciilifeform	and how often is the latter a plausible result of bitrot	[00:19]
asciilifeform	how often is bad tx resulting from the use of some peculiar 'hearnia' ? (on my node - apparently, quite often)	[00:19]
BingoBoingo	So ever so slightly less shitty revision? http://dpaste.com/0SBAYB4	[00:19]
assbot	dpaste: 0SBAYB4 ... ( http://bit.ly/1HRlVQS )	[00:19]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: the return never happens	[00:20]
mod6	<+asciilifeform> see forks with own eyes, pop open a block and scroll the tx, etc. << ncurses instead of x11?	[00:20]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: c n00b mistake. need else { ... ... }	[00:20]
asciilifeform	mod6: gonna be ugly	[00:20]
asciilifeform	mod6: could try	[00:20]
asciilifeform	i fucking hate ncurses-mouse proggies	[00:21]
*	BingoBoingo ptolly needs to practice C	[00:21]
asciilifeform	and not sure if there is a simple way to weasel out of using the rodent here	[00:21]
mod6	fair enough. i guess if it were me, it'd be great start to just dump the block txs to a file or STDOUT or something.	[00:21]
*	asciilifeform not ui specialist	[00:21]
asciilifeform	mod6: phf wrote a tx dumper	[00:21]
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mod6	me either	[00:21]
mod6	really?	[00:21]
asciilifeform	aha	[00:21]
asciilifeform	see log	[00:21]
*	mod6 looks	[00:22]
BingoBoingo	http://dpaste.com/3XVTZ6H << last go at de shittening for a while	[00:22]
assbot	dpaste: 3XVTZ6H ... ( http://bit.ly/1dPtP0U )	[00:22]
asciilifeform	mod6: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185338	[00:23]
assbot	Logged on 03-07-2015 17:50:03; phf: i was exploring block storage format, so i wrote some lisp code to read blocks out of .dat in sequence or directly from dumpblock'ed file http://paste.lisp.org/+38JG. i'm not sure where i'm going with it, so i'm leaving it here for interested parties.	[00:23]
BingoBoingo	It's only been a decade since I touched C++ source with anything other than delete key	[00:23]
mod6	thx ascii	[00:23]
mod6	oh yeah, i remember now.	[00:23]
mod6	i know exactly jack & squat about lisp	[00:24]
mod6	i'll have to give this a try sometime.	[00:25]
mod6	well, i guess i kinda got my toe wet with Nock.	[00:28]
mod6	anyway, another thing for the list :]	[00:28]
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decimation	re: pci ocxo < yeah the ocxo is the metal case in the lower left	[00:41]
decimation	and yeah that cesium standard is cheap - suspiciously so. cesium only lasts so long.	[00:42]
asciilifeform	decimation: tube's good for ~decade	[00:46]
asciilifeform	decimation: that can looks like a normal quartz resonator	[00:47]
williamdunne	..... this is a thing:	[00:49]
williamdunne	https://github.com/trevorlinton/webkit.js/tree/master	[00:49]
assbot	trevorlinton/webkit.js · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1dPuKhX )	[00:49]
asciilifeform	wai wat	[00:50]
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asciilifeform	or rather, why??!!!	[00:50]
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trinque	because his github picture is professionally shot	[00:51]
trinque	yet he wore a hoodie	[00:52]
trinque	but also a jacket, y'see	[00:52]
*	asciilifeform doesn't see a picture	[00:52]
trinque	https://avatars3.githubusercontent.com/u/3111873?v=3&s=400	[00:52]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1L0y4nA )	[00:52]
decimation	nah ocxo often looks like a can	[00:52]
decimation	but admittedly I can't say for sure, and they do have versions of the card with tcxo	[00:52]
asciilifeform	http://www.eevblog.com/2012/01/14/eevblog-236-fe-5680a-rubidium-standard-teardown << interesting	[00:53]
assbot	EEVblog #236 - FE-5680A Rubidium Standard Teardown \| EEVblog - The Electronics Engineering Video Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0yiLs )	[00:53]
decimation	http://www.mti-milliren.com/ocxo_260_ocxo.html < this ocxo is as good as rubidium in terms of thermal stability	[00:54]
assbot	MTI-Milliren Technologies, Inc. ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0yni0 )	[00:54]
decimation	and quartz typically has better phase noise than rb	[00:54]
decimation	but a new one will be >$500 in small qty	[00:54]
asciilifeform	what's the point of rb then	[00:54]
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decimation	it does have slightly better aging	[00:55]
decimation	but a new rb is like $2.5k	[00:55]
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decimation	note, these are well beyon pedestrian clocks, only for folks who 'need' less than miliseconds per year	[00:56]
*	asciilifeform always thought that a 'proper' computer oughta include a bnc jack for rb or cesiumfountain on front panel	[00:56]
asciilifeform	superceding the usual clock	[00:56]
asciilifeform	(for cpu and rtc both)	[00:56]
decimation	agreed	[00:56]
decimation	it's rediculous that doesn't exist actually	[00:57]
decimation	also the timing hardware available on typical x86 is usually shitty	[00:57]
decimation	asciilifeform: the thing that's odd is that this kind of feature isn't 'avaiable for any price'	[00:59]
decimation	at least on x86 servers	[00:59]
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decimation	surely the market is nonzero	[00:59]
asciilifeform	on any machine i know o	[00:59]
asciilifeform	f	[00:59]
asciilifeform	... except for my biggest fpga board	[00:59]
decimation	I think I linked an sbc that folks modded for this	[01:00]
asciilifeform	it's got goldplated coax 'in's for clocking	[01:00]
asciilifeform	no less than 4 of'em	[01:00]
decimation	yeah that's typical for fpgas	[01:01]
decimation	because people use for actual hard timing specs	[01:01]
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asciilifeform	http://www.periodictable.ru/037Rb/Rb_en.html	[01:09]
assbot	Rubidium ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0ANxf )	[01:09]
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asciilifeform	http://www.mar.li/memento_mori.php << lulz	[01:12]
assbot	Martin Bircher - Art (www.mar.li) ... ( http://bit.ly/1dPwiZ3 )	[01:12]
decimation	lol	[01:15]
decimation	asciilifeform: you should make one and calibrate in micromorts	[01:16]
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asciilifeform	http://pmonta.com/blog << also neat	[01:19]
assbot	Signal and noise \| Peter Monta's projects ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0Chr7 )	[01:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131236 @ 0.00053662 = 70.4239 BTC [-] {3}	[01:20]
asciilifeform	http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/atomic-bill << lulz.	[01:23]
assbot	First Atomic Clock Wristwatch	[01:23]
asciilifeform	'The watch keeps time to a few nanoseconds per day. The attractive display is based on 7-segment red LED technology. Batteries are included (they last about 45 minutes but are rechargeable). AC adapter included. There are no adjustments for daylight saving time; however the clock does handle leap seconds and keeps track of the [Modified Julian] date. This HP wristwatch includes 5/10 MHz and 1 PPS outputs. An internal keypad is	[01:23]
asciilifeform	used to set the date and time. Not waterproof nor even water resistant. '	[01:23]
asciilifeform	http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/atomic-tom << moar.	[01:24]
assbot	Climbing with Atomic Clocks	[01:25]
lobbesbot	New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=3 (Paul Okkerse (Hoofd ICT) ; )	[01:25]
lobbesbot	New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Paul Okkerse (Hoofd ICT) ; )	[01:25]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1JrCWjS )	[01:25]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1LzS295 )	[01:25]
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decimation	that's a neat project (the gps receiver)	[01:25]
decimation	lolz	[01:25]
decimation	his 'wristwatch' still relies on wwvb	[01:26]
decimation	oh wait, no it's cesium	[01:26]
decimation	lol	[01:26]
decimation	Are these more pirate partai types	[01:27]
asciilifeform	devil knows	[01:27]
decimation	oh he was on mircea's list already	[01:28]
asciilifeform	that list oughta contain ~all~ the 4294967297 folk (see old log as to why)	[01:29]
decimation	okay makes sense	[01:29]
decimation	http://rondomvoetbal.nl/jonathan-steelt-punt-van-valleivogels/ apparently there's a paul okkerse who plays soccer	[01:29]
assbot	Jonathan steelt punt van Valleivogels \| Rondom Voetbal ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0DQpe )	[01:29]
asciilifeform	the 'leapsecond' blog is a goldmine	[01:31]
asciilifeform	'The talk concludes with a first-hand description of Project GREAT, perhaps the ultimate DIY clock experiment. Van Baak methodically selected three of his best portable cesium clocks, outfitted the family minivan (with his wife's permission) as a traveling time laboratory, and drove with his three children up the highest mountain in Washington State. After staying on Mt. Rainier for a long weekend they returned home to compare	[01:32]
asciilifeform	the traveling clocks against several atomic clocks left at home. Measurements confirmed that the clocks returned 22 nanoseconds ahead in time. ' << try sr at home!	[01:32]
decimation	lol	[01:33]
decimation	that's alot of cash to invest in 'diy'	[01:33]
asciilifeform	the fella collects, builds, clocks	[01:33]
decimation	!up Vexual	[01:33]
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asciilifeform	http://www.leapsecond.com/images/LabJan2001r.jpg	[01:34]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1L0Ex1N )	[01:34]
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decimation	" A 5071A uses about 50 W at 24 VDC (~2 A)." damn that's alot of battery power	[01:34]
decimation	wow that's probably at least $500k in equipment	[01:35]
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decimation	he must have a 'golden toilet' job	[01:35]
asciilifeform	... or retired and he cut a zero or three of the price tags by repairing with own hands	[01:36]
decimation	heh yeah possibly	[01:36]
decimation	I bet he runs an ntp server	[01:37]
asciilifeform	http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/saoff << when clinton ordered gps to be made useful to public	[01:39]
assbot	Effect of no SA on HP 58503A GPS Time & Frequency Receiver ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0FeYI )	[01:39]
decimation	the stability and accuracy of modern clocks actually enables a great deal of science and engineering	[01:40]
decimation	interesting selective availability messed with time stability by a factor of 3	[01:41]
asciilifeform	clinton's announcement was a little disingenuous - the random noise is gone, yes, and the recent sats don't have it - however they do have option of beam-forming and denying gps to geography of hitler's choice	[01:43]
asciilifeform	(if anyone remembers the old eu/galileo thread, where usg pissed and moaned about not being given root on galileo)	[01:43]
asciilifeform	'give us root or we'll shoot' was the actual statement	[01:44]
decimation	heh	[01:45]
decimation	and then there's glosnas	[01:45]
asciilifeform	one interesting aspect of the 'selective availability' era was that folks would actually collect the crud and broadcast... corrections! from an accurately-surveyed point	[01:46]
asciilifeform	neatly cancelling out the fuzz	[01:46]
asciilifeform	there was a whole industry, almost, devoted to this.	[01:46]
asciilifeform	galileo was also in planning at the time (ru 'glonas' was in a serious state of decay and not relevant) and one legend goes that clinton's order was a failed gambit to sink it	[01:48]
decimation	that tom von baak character is a regular on time-nuts http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.time.nuts	[01:49]
assbot	Gmane -- Mail To News And Back Again ... ( http://bit.ly/1JY9l1G )	[01:50]
decimation	surely the ru generals saw the writing on the wall	[01:50]
asciilifeform	decimation: there was no money	[01:50]
decimation	also, that kind of 'correction' is now broadcast from satellite today: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_Area_Augmentation_System	[01:51]
assbot	Wide Area Augmentation System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1JY9pyq )	[01:51]
decimation	^ attempts to correct for the ionoshere messing with the gps frequency band as it goes through	[01:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71400 @ 0.00053863 = 38.4582 BTC [+] {2}	[01:52]
decimation	so that gps users can approach 1m accuracy with simple equipment	[01:52]
decimation	"Aircraft conducting WAAS approaches must possess certified GPS receivers, which are much more expensive than non-certified units. In 2006, Garmin's least expensive certified receiver, the GNS 430W, had a suggested retail price of US$10,750.[27]"	[01:54]
decimation	aircraft are very effective at bleeding rich folk	[01:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29540 @ 0.00052766 = 15.5871 BTC [-]	[01:56]
decimation	admit to owning one?	[01:56]
decimation	I wish; I view blowing a few $k on computers and electronics to be a big expense	[01:58]
decimation	yet along paying $10k for something that can be had for $200 or less	[01:58]
asciilifeform	other thing re: gps is that there is ~still~ an encrypted band (as of a few yrs ago, ~two~ separate ones)	[02:01]
asciilifeform	idea being that hitler can order the public band jammed, when he wants.	[02:01]
decimation	yeah I think there are still two encrypted signals	[02:02]
decimation	hitler would only do this (in a civilized place) at the cost of massive disruption to many things	[02:03]
decimation	to the point where it's probably almost unthinkable unless under threat of immediate attack	[02:03]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10013 @ 0.00052766 = 5.2835 BTC [-]	[02:04]
decimation	!up Vexual	[02:04]
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decimation	Vexual: it would be a big deal if civilian gps service were degraded	[02:04]
asciilifeform	anybody's guess whether gps will decay from sat attrition (as glonas did in the 'roarin' 90s' ru) before usa implodes, civilian aviation on its territory Officially ends, and public freebie is turned off	[02:05]
decimation	^ yeah that's honestly a bigger threat	[02:05]
asciilifeform	sorta one of the places i was going with ntp.	[02:05]
decimation	usg can no longer employ/manage to keep the thing running	[02:05]
asciilifeform	can't/won't/forgot	[02:06]
decimation	http://gpsworld.com/next-gen-gps-ground-control-system-in-question/ "A March 2013 report from the Government Accountability Office (GAO) seems to claim that the projected cost of the next-generation GPS ground-control system, known as OCX, increased by 43 percent, or $1 billion over the past year, to a total cost estimate of $3.7 billion."	[02:06]
assbot	GPS OCX Ground Control in GAO Report : GPS World ... ( http://bit.ly/1JYaCpm )	[02:06]
asciilifeform	if cheap autonomous flying machines haven't reignited usg interest in geographically-selected gps jamming, nothing will	[02:07]
asciilifeform	i suspect the equipment, protocol, the inescapable 3-ring binders, are all in place.	[02:07]
decimation	http://www.insidegnss.com/node/3054 "“We'll be ready to launch the first GPS III in 2015, but it now appears the next generation GPS Operational Control System, or OCX, won't be ready for about a year or two after that,” General William L. Shelton, commander of Air Force Space Command told attendees at the 28th Annual National Space Symposium. "	[02:08]
assbot	First GPS III Launch Delayed by Up to a Year, OCX by Two Years \| Inside GNSS ... ( http://bit.ly/1JYaI0q )	[02:08]
decimation	asciilifeform: sure, but it takes balls to pull the trigger	[02:08]
asciilifeform	why?	[02:09]
decimation	http://spacenews.com/launch-of-first-gps-3-satellite-now-not-expected-until-2017/	[02:09]
assbot	Launch of First GPS 3 Satellite Now Not Expected Until 2017 ... ( http://bit.ly/1JYaMNG )	[02:09]
decimation	if over a civilized area there are going to be lots of innocent bystanders	[02:09]
asciilifeform	that particular trigger is pulled every time fuhrer rolls by in his fuhrermobile	[02:09]
asciilifeform	i sometimes drive around with gps display, and more than once found myself in africa	[02:09]
decimation	it would be interesting to know if they actually jam gps	[02:09]
asciilifeform	or an ocean	[02:10]
asciilifeform	they do.	[02:10]
decimation	that's a big deal, especially with all the aircraft around wash dc	[02:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16337 @ 0.0005292 = 8.6455 BTC [+]	[02:10]
asciilifeform	aircraft in usa are not permitted to rely solely on gps!	[02:10]
decimation	no, but still	[02:10]
asciilifeform	http://www.quora.com/What-would-be-the-consequences-of-reinstating-GPS-selective-availability	[02:11]
decimation	not for precision approach in heavy weather anyway	[02:11]
assbot	What would be the consequences of reinstating GPS selective availability? - Quora ... ( http://bit.ly/1JYaTsC )	[02:11]
asciilifeform	^ as described here	[02:11]
decimation	there's a huge difference between selective availablity and turning off service	[02:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63182 @ 0.00051183 = 32.3384 BTC [-] {4}	[02:11]
decimation	I suppose now is the time to buy your H-maser	[02:11]
decimation	instead of when gps is kaput	[02:12]
asciilifeform	i personally don't expect to outlive gps by an especially long time.	[02:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18790 @ 0.00050776 = 9.5408 BTC [-] {2}	[02:12]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37648 @ 0.00050707 = 19.0902 BTC [-] {2}	[02:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7129 @ 0.00050505 = 3.6005 BTC [-]	[02:19]
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trinque	http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/09/us-japan-nato-missile-exclusive-idUSKCN0PJ2RV20150709	[03:31]
assbot	Exclusive: Japan interested in joining NATO missile consortium	[03:31]
BingoBoingo	https://i.imgur.com/1DxCMWo.png	[03:43]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1HRBN5H )	[03:43]
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punkman	trinque: this python-gnupg is a motherfucking piece of shit << which one are you using?	[04:05]
trinque	https://pythonhosted.org/python-gnupg/ << newest of this	[04:06]
assbot	python-gnupg - A Python wrapper for GnuPG — Python Wrapper for GnuPG v0.3.7 documentation ... ( http://bit.ly/1HREcxs )	[04:06]
punkman	you want this one https://github.com/isislovecruft/python-gnupg	[04:06]
assbot	isislovecruft/python-gnupg · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1HREh46 )	[04:06]
punkman	asciilifeform: iirc 2 chokes on just about anything other than straight ascii << I rarely have problems with that	[04:07]
trinque	punkman: cool, I'll try that out	[04:07]
punkman	there's also python-gpgme that skips the "pipe to shell" retardation	[04:16]
punkman	though nobody uses gpgme so I'm wary	[04:16]
punkman	(here it is https://launchpad.net/pygpgme )	[04:20]
assbot	PyGPGME in Launchpad ... ( http://bit.ly/1ScxuDE )	[04:20]
mircea_popescu	shinohai so never got an email huh ?	[04:26]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform hm ?	[04:26]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196167 << kinda weird. i have it in my log, but it's not on website log. did assbot get split or something ?	[04:29]
assbot	Logged on 10-07-2015 02:44:42; asciilifeform: or in log.bitcoin-assets.com !	[04:29]
mircea_popescu	heh i also had the wrong one up. nm	[04:30]
punkman	Al walked in when the doge was derping, unfortunate	[04:31]
punkman	(no ddos, he closed the page both times)	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196225 << yes. and published.	[04:32]
assbot	Logged on 10-07-2015 03:14:47; asciilifeform: ~another~ interesting scientific instrument would be a fly trap for invalid tx	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	punkman the time intervals don't at all match a ddos. that's usually a 5 minute stay.	[04:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48138 @ 0.00049707 = 23.928 BTC [-] {2}	[04:34]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196295 << i dunno man... fatties destroying scales and you expect lazy aspies to wanna buy clocks ?	[04:35]
assbot	Logged on 10-07-2015 03:55:37; decimation: surely the market is nonzero	[04:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4422 @ 0.00049706 = 2.198 BTC [-]	[04:35]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196364 << only failed because the euros decided to waste moar moneyz	[04:38]
assbot	Logged on 10-07-2015 04:44:37; asciilifeform: galileo was also in planning at the time (ru 'glonas' was in a serious state of decay and not relevant) and one legend goes that clinton's order was a failed gambit to sink it	[04:38]
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punkman	"Gogglebox is a British observational documentary which has aired on Channel 4 since 7 March 2013. The show features recurring couples, families and friends from across the United Kingdom sitting in their living rooms watching weekly British television shows."	[04:43]
punkman	such meta	[04:43]
fluffypony	I read that as Googlebox	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	"observational documentary" ? wtf, new words = no content.	[04:44]
punkman	apparently it's been copied by US, AU, Canada, Italy, Poland, Slovenia, Israel and Germany.	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	sure, cheap format.	[04:45]
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mircea_popescu	i was walking through town today, and tons of advertising for... ANT MAN.	[04:46]
mircea_popescu	which is yet another "dude in scooba gear" "movie".	[04:46]
mircea_popescu	question : why all these masked "hero" bullshits ?	[04:46]
punkman	hah	[04:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34024 @ 0.00049706 = 16.912 BTC [-]	[04:47]
punkman	kabuki of "super heroes"	[04:47]
mircea_popescu	answer : they really dun wanna pour all that money into AN ACTOR's own capital good.	[04:47]
mircea_popescu	wear the fucking mask.	[04:47]
mircea_popescu	i dunno how the screen guild stands for it, but... it does.	[04:47]
mircea_popescu	an' in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/30db452b7a40c2ae6fe3ce321f95d89d/tumblr_na11k1mBSA1tv6w3wo1_1280.jpg	[04:49]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1LVvv6O )	[04:49]
punkman	cute	[04:49]
BingoBoingo	answer : they really dun wanna pour all that money into AN ACTOR's own capital good. << This. Also they don't have to write new stories which they couldn't.	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	right. no more of that "seinfeld doesn't wanna do more shows so he gets a bn dollars and then decides when to end the series"	[04:50]
mircea_popescu	mask.	[04:50]
punkman	but they don't wear the mask during the whole movie	[04:50]
punkman	usually have long sequences of unmasked derpy "clark"	[04:51]
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BingoBoingo	Well with the superhero movies now it the standard seems to be signing the actors to 7-10 movie long contracts.	[04:52]
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mircea_popescu	!up heh too slow.	[04:52]
-assbot-	You voiced heh for 30 minutes.	[04:52]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell xemist you know this is irc not a forum. you gotta stick around for anything to work.	[04:52]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[04:52]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo options, not pop.	[04:53]
BingoBoingo	sure	[04:53]
punkman	interesting https://github.com/gigablast/open-source-search-engine	[04:54]
assbot	gigablast/open-source-search-engine · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1HjDHdW )	[04:54]
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mircea_popescu	lots of these neh ?	[04:55]
BingoBoingo	So stator with experimental minrelaytxfee option patch was syncing well as a drop in replacement for previous stator on testbed then laptop became unplugged and battery dead. Restarted with -rescan because BDB hates stopping suddenly and the blockindex is screwed.	[04:56]
punkman	mircea_popescu: not really	[04:56]
BingoBoingo	Other than the hardware/filesystem hiccup seems to work so far.	[04:56]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/131813/postmortem_irrational_games_.php < vaguely interesting.	[04:57]
assbot	Gamasutra - Postmortem: Irrational Games' System Shock 2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1HjDQhF )	[04:57]
mircea_popescu	from that "how start-up fails" angle, for the collector.	[04:57]
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*	BingoBoingo still amazed at the difference between http://dpaste.com/3XVTZ6H and https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2577/files seriously can't wait for that tool to measure behavior to tell if it actually works.	[05:07]
scoopbot_revived	What the market is and what it isn't. http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/10/what-the-market-is-and-what-it-isnt/	[05:07]
assbot	dpaste: 3XVTZ6H ... ( http://bit.ly/1LVxFmZ )	[05:07]
assbot	Treat dust outputs as non-standard, un-hardcode TX_FEE constants by gavinandresen · Pull Request #2577 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1LVxF6A )	[05:08]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market buttfinex	[05:17]
gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 271.31, Best ask: 271.38, Bid-ask spread: 0.07000, Last trade: 271.4, 24 hour volume: 25826.5008129, 24 hour low: 267.81, 24 hour high: 273.0, 24 hour vwap: None	[05:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106500 @ 0.00050315 = 53.5855 BTC [+] {2}	[05:23]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70450 @ 0.00049894 = 35.1503 BTC [-] {2}	[05:32]
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punkman	http://www.gigablast.com/admin.html#features	[05:42]
assbot	FAQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1HRs2GJ )	[05:42]
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d9b4bef9	danielpbarron davout decimation deedbot- diametric dignork donpillou dooglus DreadKnight dub Duffer1	[05:49]
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BingoBoingo	!up HeySteve	[06:06]
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BingoBoingo	!up shinohai	[06:06]
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BingoBoingo	!up felipelalli	[06:06]
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shinohai	ty BingoBoingo	[06:06]
HeySteve	hi, thanks	[06:06]
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scoopbot_revived	Transaction Fee Market Develops Amid Surge in Transaction Volume http://qntra.net/2015/07/transaction-fee-market-develops-amid-surge-in-transaction-volume/	[06:07]
BingoBoingo	So recovered the instance of bitcoind-stator-minrelaytxfeeconfflag to resume old stator's sync. And now I started it on a fresh one.	[06:10]
jurov	williamdunne: why do you ask me of all people about steam?	[06:11]
shinohai	I have to do another build sometime this weekend I guess	[06:12]
felipelalli	hi BingoBoingo! Thanks for remember. How are you?	[06:12]
BingoBoingo	not bad	[06:13]
felipelalli	not bad is bad.	[06:13]
BingoBoingo	shinohai: I don't have a formal patch for this, just a recipe in dpaste. Not comfortable enough to formally submit. All it is supposed to do is allow you to set the -minrelaytxfee flag in Bitcoin.conf which isn't a big deal because if you are building it you can just change the number in main.h	[06:14]
BingoBoingo	felipelalli: It really isn't bad at all.	[06:14]
shinohai	That's what i did was change main.h	[06:15]
shinohai	but i goofed somewhere and my static build isn't very static on the pogo.	[06:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46000 @ 0.00050099 = 23.0455 BTC [+] {2}	[06:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00050562 = 12.1349 BTC [+] {2}	[06:18]
punkman	http://www.miningpool.co.uk/amir-taaki-backs-up-ross-ulbrichts-claim-of-leaving-silk-road-after-creating-it/	[06:21]
assbot	Amir Taaki Backs Up Ross Ulbricht’s Claim of Leaving Silk Road After Creating It - Mining Pool ... ( http://bit.ly/1HROMEL )	[06:21]
punkman	well if amir is backing it...	[06:21]
punkman	http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/tax/11729659/Taxman-gets-new-US-style-powers-to-raid-tens-of-thousands-of-personal-bank-accounts-to-recover-debts.html	[06:22]
assbot	Taxman gets new US-style powers to raid tens of thousands of personal bank accounts to recover debts - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1HROUns )	[06:22]
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BingoBoingo	https://archive.is/qiVeJ	[06:33]
assbot	Bitcoin price rallies sharply as robust transaction fee market develops proving the naysayers were wrong. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1HRPMbS )	[06:33]
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BingoBoingo	Qntra bunny is now in 10th place on /r/bitcoin's front page	[06:39]
shinohai	o/	[06:41]
shinohai	./\|	[06:41]
BingoBoingo	It's been a while	[06:41]
shinohai	I used to have like a ton of reddit troll accounts	[06:42]
BingoBoingo	This one was not one of mine	[06:42]
BingoBoingo	Also F2Pool celebrating the TxMarket https://blockchain.info/tx/cb550c9a1c63498f7ecb7bafc6f915318f16bb54069ff6257b4e069b97b367c8?show_adv=true	[06:43]
shinohai	Still good for qntra	[06:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40600 @ 0.00050654 = 20.5655 BTC [+]	[06:44]
BingoBoingo	Yeah	[06:44]
BingoBoingo	I stopped submitting qntra to reddit myself, because I'd rather just make reddit a more miserable place on my own without the bunny drawing aggro	[06:45]
shinohai	I like stirring thee pot with r/crypto too.	[06:45]
shinohai	I posted a qntra article there and got the most downvotes EVAH	[06:46]
BingoBoingo	lol	[06:47]
shinohai	http://redd.it/3crw7p	[06:48]
assbot	Is there any code left written by Satoshi? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1HRQOV9 )	[06:48]
BingoBoingo	I honestly prefer dropping qntra links in /buttcoin	[06:48]
shinohai	^ therealbitcoin heh	[06:48]
shinohai	I had snapshill bot working so perfect before the blackout	[06:48]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62450 @ 0.0005076 = 31.6996 BTC [+] {2}	[07:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56301 @ 0.00050079 = 28.195 BTC [-] {2}	[07:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17449 @ 0.0004969 = 8.6704 BTC [-]	[07:11]
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shinohai	>>> http://cryptomatic.io/products/the-cryptomat-silver	[07:16]
assbot	THE CRYPTOMAT MONOCHROME SILVER LIMITED EDITION - CRYPTOMATIC ... ( http://bit.ly/1GbuiRO )	[07:17]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97260 @ 0.00051073 = 49.6736 BTC [+] {3}	[07:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00051403 = 5.8085 BTC [+]	[07:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 45 @ 0.08 = 3.6 BTC [+]	[07:54]
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asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[15:08]
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mircea_popescu	hallo ascii_field	[15:08]
ascii_field	http://wrtnode.com << now only a factor of ~2 away from pogo bang/bux	[15:08]
assbot	WRTnode Opened for $25 ... ( http://bit.ly/1GcsurI )	[15:08]
ascii_field	(it still needs a chassis, power, storage, ... clock!)	[15:08]
*	ascii_field has not tried this device	[15:09]
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ascii_field	https://wikidevi.com/wiki/MediaTek_MT7620 << fairly classic	[15:11]
assbot	MediaTek MT7620 - WikiDevi ... ( http://bit.ly/1GcsLLc )	[15:11]
ascii_field	http://www.anz.ru/files/mediatek/MT7620_Datasheet.pdf	[15:12]
ascii_field	iirc it is similar to the chipset in 'hootoo'	[15:13]
ascii_field	http://www.aliexpress.com/price/mt7620_price.html << can, supposedly, be sourced !	[15:13]
assbot	Compare Prices on Mt7620- Online Shopping/Buy Low Price Mt7620 at Factory Price \| Aliexpress.com \| Alibaba Group ... ( http://bit.ly/1GcsW9m )	[15:13]
BingoBoingo	https://archive.is/IeZdl << Oh the lulz	[15:16]
assbot	Bitcoin price rallies sharply as robust transaction fee market develops proving the naysayers were wrong. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cva2Q0 )	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	bwahaha	[15:18]
*	trinque notices the confederate flag under the rabbit	[15:19]
trinque	loool	[15:19]
ascii_field	Xiaomi Router sells 7620-based routers for ~25-35 usd, with usb jacks (but 128m ram, as pogo)	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	qntra comtinues to bring home the wins.	[15:19]
ascii_field	http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/xiaomi/mini << them.	[15:20]
assbot	Xiaomi MiWiFi Mini [OpenWrt Wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1GctImA )	[15:20]
*	ascii_field not overly fond of 'wifi'	[15:20]
BingoBoingo	Reddit still shows 40+ points inspite of being 40% downvoted.	[15:20]
mircea_popescu	dude, the wishful thinking of the empire of fail matters so very much...	[15:21]
mircea_popescu	every mother warned her daughter about the perils of fast cars throughout the 60s.	[15:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99748 @ 0.00050149 = 50.0226 BTC [-] {3}	[15:21]
mircea_popescu	so very well that worked, srsly.	[15:21]
ben_vulpes	anyone running dd-wrt have a recommendation on midprice router hardware?	[15:22]
trinque	ben_vulpes: I had it running on a buffalo something	[15:22]
trinque	was cheap, did the job	[15:22]
ascii_field	ben_vulpes: it will run on just about anything	[15:22]
ben_vulpes	certainly, but i'd like something nice-/ish/	[15:22]
ben_vulpes	i have eight people here and this consumer object is falling over	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	omg get them to play eulora!!11	[15:23]
ben_vulpes	get outta heah!	[15:23]
ascii_field	ben_vulpes: that 'ufo'-like thing by the people who made 'edgerouter' - the same one i whined about and posted disassembly photos - runs wrt pretty well	[15:23]
ascii_field	100% uptime since feb.	[15:24]
mircea_popescu	no u! it's graet gaem	[15:24]
mircea_popescu	;;bc,stats	[15:24]
gribble	Current Blocks: 364739 \| Current Difficulty: 4.940201493122746E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 364895 \| Next Difficulty In: 156 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 0 hours, 57 minutes, and 36 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 47150109359.0 \| Estimated Percent Change: -4.55833	[15:24]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[15:24]
gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 288.64, Best ask: 288.73, Bid-ask spread: 0.09000, Last trade: 288.73, 24 hour volume: 70201.9012057, 24 hour low: 268.58, 24 hour high: 292.66, 24 hour vwap: None	[15:24]
mircea_popescu	mmkay	[15:24]
ben_vulpes	rallymoad?	[15:24]
trinque	iirc mircea_popescu called 300 a week or two ago	[15:25]
ben_vulpes	ascii_field: "unifi ap"?	[15:25]
ascii_field	aha	[15:25]
ascii_field	but don't even think about trying to use the included firmware	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	trinque thought it was more like 5 days or somesuch	[15:25]
ascii_field	it's worthless	[15:26]
BingoBoingo	More lulz today http://www.citylab.com/commute/2015/07/iowa-makes-a-bold-admission-we-need-fewer-roads/398021/ << Iowas gives up on Roads!!!	[15:26]
assbot	Iowa's DOT Chief Expects the State's Road Network to Shrink - CityLab ... ( http://bit.ly/1GcuccA )	[15:26]
trinque	mircea_popescu: ya could've been	[15:26]
ben_vulpes	ascii_field: wipe and slam with dd-wrt?	[15:26]
ascii_field	or other unixlike	[15:26]
ben_vulpes	ah that's delightfully affordable	[15:26]
ascii_field	ben_vulpes: comes with power-over-ethernet brick	[15:26]
ascii_field	at least, mine did	[15:27]
punkman	have a look at http://linux-sunxi.org/Main_Page	[15:27]
assbot	linux-sunxi.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1GcugZX )	[15:27]
punkman	supports a lot of chinese boxes	[15:27]
ascii_field	(the 'ufo' has no dc jack. gotta supply dc bias on the ethernet cable)	[15:27]
ben_vulpes	neat trick.	[15:28]
mircea_popescu	williamdunne btw you know about #eulora do you ?	[15:33]
thestringpuller	ascii_field: can't crowdsource a cumshot. save that for the professionals.	[15:34]
mircea_popescu	lmao say wut ?	[15:34]
mircea_popescu	!s bukkake	[15:34]
assbot	15 results for 'bukkake' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bukkake	[15:34]
ascii_field	!b 5	[15:34]
assbot	Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/19RJ7SW.txt )	[15:34]
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mircea_popescu	gabriel WORK !?	[15:39]
mircea_popescu	da fuck last thing i ever expected to see.	[15:39]
Gabriel-work	lol	[15:40]
mircea_popescu	what do you work ? :D	[15:40]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: he might know how to eat tree bark, but still has to pay for bandwidth, no ?	[15:40]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field btw is mr xemist all butthurt at our new fangled techs ?	[15:40]
Gabriel-work	ascii_field: other people pay for my bandwith	[15:40]
Gabriel-work	and my food	[15:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60000 @ 0.00051949 = 31.1694 BTC [+] {2}	[15:40]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: he hasn't mailed me back	[15:40]
*	Gabriel-work had antipasta for breakfast	[15:40]
mircea_popescu	he could be a woman in tech, if he had any tits.	[15:40]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: and i could be an anteater	[15:41]
Gabriel-work	anyways, I work with lab equipment and CL	[15:41]
*	ascii_field signs up for ant-eating academy	[15:41]
mircea_popescu	if you had the nose.	[15:41]
Gabriel-work	and russians	[15:41]
ascii_field	precisely, if the nose	[15:41]
mircea_popescu	Gabriel-work the heavy drinking, lithe natasha type ?	[15:41]
mircea_popescu	or the noseless ant eater type ?	[15:41]
Gabriel-work	the latter	[15:41]
Gabriel-work	I think they'd like Stas	[15:42]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45913 @ 0.00049609 = 22.777 BTC [-] {2}	[15:50]
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mircea_popescu	!up qntranet	[15:51]
-assbot-	You voiced qntranet for 30 minutes.	[15:51]
*	assbot gives voice to qntranet	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	http://mmocadet.com/ <<	[15:53]
assbot	MMO Cadet - YOUR GUIDE TO THE VERSE-ES ... ( http://bit.ly/1M05PXV )	[15:53]
mircea_popescu	inaugural post. also happens to be last post.	[15:53]
mircea_popescu	the internet is so full of sad stories.	[15:53]
mircea_popescu	but, on the brighter side, also a lot of butthurt. http://40.media.tumblr.com/aaacdb7330ec2c3cf1a1bcc07580c961/tumblr_n02tli4eQH1trou22o1_1280.jpg	[15:55]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1M05W5y )	[15:55]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1195844 << incidentally kako has a golden point. if you actually solder a clock in there, suddenly it does have rng	[15:58]
assbot	Logged on 09-07-2015 22:35:26; kakobrekla: yet	[15:58]
ascii_field	clock != rng	[15:58]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1195851 << should be user-settable!	[15:59]
assbot	Logged on 09-07-2015 22:38:18; asciilifeform: ^^ i dare to suggest that the patch be considered by therealbitcoin ^^	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field close enough, since any two clocks are an entropy measuring tool.	[15:59]
ascii_field	pretty bad tool unless the resolution of said clocks is high	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	and any programmable computer necessarily has an interrupt clock	[15:59]
ascii_field	(1sec certainly doesn't cut it)	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	so adding a 2nd => rng.	[15:59]
ascii_field	thing is, rng needs attributes ~other~ than 'shits entropy'. namely, not to be correlated with variables manipulable or monitorable by enemy	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field i have no idea what sort of an argument is this. there's no such thing as good or bad entropy. the thing is unqualifiable by definition. do you mean that you'd have to wait longer to generate a strong address? so you would.	[16:00]
ascii_field	interrupts are precisely the wrong kind of animal	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	at the rate people use adresses you need something like 1 byte of entropy per hour.	[16:00]
ascii_field	'bad entropy' is easy: the kind which the enemy can cut you off from by silencing your net connection; or the kind he can guess some bits of, by watching packets (no interrupt source in pogo is in any sense entropic other than the NIC's)	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	i guess, but there's some practical security considerations here.	[16:03]
ascii_field	at any rate, if you really must have rng on pogo for some perverse reason, can do it right now	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	yes, you can't run satoshi dice off a pogo.	[16:03]
ascii_field	using the emulated rtc	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	yes, you'll prolly be safe to keep a coupla btc for going to porcfest.	[16:03]
ascii_field	you don't need calendar date for rng-from-interrupts	[16:04]
shinohai	$poker	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	rtc/interrupts seems to me a much worse scheme than ic2 clock / interrupts	[16:04]
ascii_field	ic2 ?	[16:07]
*	assbot removes voice from ascii_field	[16:09]
*	assbot removes voice from Gabriel-work	[16:09]
ben_vulpes	k	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	i2c	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	incidentally, gotta say that laser cooled cesium clock thing is pretty spiffy an idea.	[16:11]
asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[16:11]
*	assbot gives voice to ascii_field	[16:11]
ascii_field	1950s idea	[16:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 235200 @ 0.00052394 = 123.2307 BTC [+] {5}	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	most good ideas are half a century old or mopre.	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196545 << butt did he open source it!	[16:14]
assbot	Logged on 10-07-2015 09:17:30; punkman: well if amir is backing it...	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196594 << multiple times over the past ~6 months. behaviour was not reproducible.	[16:16]
assbot	Logged on 10-07-2015 14:42:41; asciilifeform: has anyone recently probed for the continued existence of the ddos bot ?	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	as best anyone knows, kid moved on.	[16:16]
shinohai	is it the same guy that is is in dogecoin	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	no idea	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196600 << omg stop improving it.	[16:18]
assbot	Logged on 10-07-2015 14:46:24; asciilifeform: what do we need the idling remoras for ?	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196602 << everyone gets to have their basic skills tested. if old hand can't breathe, old hand dies. i'll be the first to regret it with you, and the last to change the requirement for continued breathing because old man mcschmuck can do it no longer.	[16:19]
assbot	Logged on 10-07-2015 14:47:44; asciilifeform: what openness, when tomorrow, e.g., taleb, logs in, and gets ddosed off by a tard	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	it's a pity ulcer got naggum. it is out of the question we change how ulcer works to get people.	[16:19]
ascii_field	shovel derp != breathe	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	so you think.	[16:19]
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mircea_popescu	ask the afids on your eyelids.	[16:19]
ascii_field	i mean, mircea_popescu does have a point	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196623 << just like there exists a class of innocent nazi ministers, and nice soviet officials, and respectable usg civil servants and so on. THEORETICALLY. in practice, no.	[16:22]
assbot	Logged on 10-07-2015 14:53:07; decimation: but there exists a class of non-irc-savvy people who are actual people	[16:22]
ascii_field	but put yourself in the place of herr schwartz. you get invited, and then some rotter throws shit in your face	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	i know i know.	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	it is unfortunate at best.	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	but the obvious solution happens to be wrong is all.	[16:22]
williamdunne	mircea_popescu: I didn't know about #eurola, I'll join	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	incidentally, clinton had the same problem. "gee, mr yeltsin, i wish i could say the same"	[16:23]
williamdunne	Ehhh I appear to me on my own in #eurola	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	also try dylsexia.	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	in other news, facebook clone passes one trillion users! ---> http://vk.com/id74024866	[16:27]
assbot	Dfgf Vby ... ( http://bit.ly/1HqMS9x )	[16:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66300 @ 0.00049572 = 32.8662 BTC [-] {2}	[16:27]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: why would a fella who owns 'rpg7' need inflatable gurl ?	[16:28]
mircea_popescu	you mean the dildo in the pic ?	[16:28]
ascii_field	aha	[16:28]
ascii_field	both of'em	[16:28]
mircea_popescu	with great dongs comes great need for inflatable support ?	[16:29]
*	mircea_popescu kinda likes the fake look, ftr. if nothing else, it shows the girl is trying, and willing to go to extreme inconvenience for an idea. and it's the right sort of idea, too : pleasing others.	[16:29]
mircea_popescu	much better than the alternative "career woman" from a purely moral standpoint.	[16:30]
mircea_popescu	the latter may be right, but in principle she'll be right some of the time and it's necessarily hard to separate them. the latter's gonna be nice, also some of the time, but much easier to separate.	[16:30]
mircea_popescu	as it mostly scales with age.	[16:31]
shinohai	! s pr0n mpex	[16:31]
trinque	hm, time to work on some hunchentootage	[16:32]
*	trinque pushes one button	[16:32]
ascii_field	trinque: it's pretty spiffy	[16:32]
Adlai	more than just an opera!	[16:32]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196645 << heh.	[16:33]
assbot	Logged on 10-07-2015 15:15:51; Naphex: don't tell me what to do ;]	[16:33]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: the 'fake look' to me suggests that there's 'nobody home', rather than organism 'trying' anything	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	and why is this, ascii_field ?	[16:33]
ascii_field	solely from personal experience with creatures having this appearance	[16:34]
ascii_field	where i live - they're monosyllabic. mental age permanently 12 or so	[16:34]
ascii_field	on mircea_popescu's planet - different ?	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	do you prefer a 12 yo with fake tits or an obnoxious 12yo ?	[16:35]
mircea_popescu	becauyse guess what ? the 12yo mental age IS A GIVEN	[16:35]
ascii_field	why?!	[16:35]
ascii_field	why a given	[16:35]
mircea_popescu	because there's not enough brains to feed seven billion heads.	[16:35]
ascii_field	and not enough room in block for phree tx for 7 trillion redditors, aha	[16:36]
ascii_field	and not enough rubidium lamps for every pc	[16:36]
ascii_field	etc	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	that's the point. once you know she's gonna be 12 for the rest of your life - would you rather have the sort that goes under the knife for approval or the sort that smashes scales ?	[16:36]
*	assbot gives voice to mthreat	[16:36]
mthreat	hola todos	[16:36]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: to borrow from herr churchill, 'if she were my wife, i'd drink it'	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	seems to me the former's by far the morally apt posture.	[16:36]
shinohai	hola pues	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	hola mthreat. how goes ?	[16:36]
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shinohai	que hay de bueno	[16:37]
mthreat	not bad... just got the itch to poke my head in here	[16:37]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field i still have no idea why anyone'd get married, but then again i'm weird like that.	[16:37]
mircea_popescu	mthreat hey, you gonna try eulora ? :D	[16:37]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: all i can say is that here in mordor, they do it because health 'insurance'	[16:37]
mthreat	mircea_popescu: some financial reasons - inheritence, taxes, citizenship, etc	[16:37]
ascii_field	and sometimes for passport	[16:37]
shinohai	make eulora a MUD xD	[16:37]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field aka "their mental age is 15" ?	[16:37]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: aka no signature - no doctor	[16:38]
mthreat	oh also, to avoid being forced to testify	[16:38]
trinque	^ that one's not bad	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	lol that's a good one.	[16:38]
mthreat	although these days they just throw both the man and woman in jail to make that hard	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	in any case, disparaging the owner of a technologically improved sexual body while at the same time holding notionm like, "marry - to satisfy social expectations, be they in the form of taxation or citizenship or anythin else" seems confused.	[16:39]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: ftr i don't give a flying fuck how much of the gurl is made of what polymer	[16:40]
ascii_field	just that 'nobody's home'	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	note that i'm not for a moment proposing a course of action. nevertheless, holding the owner of 50k in silicone dispersed through her fat tissue in less regard than the mean seems nonsensical.	[16:40]
ascii_field	entirely separate concerns	[16:40]
ascii_field	(not that my opinion is relevant to any of the folks involved. they and i live on separate planets)	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	i can see that. but then again, how're you to know from a pic.	[16:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 154700 @ 0.0004944 = 76.4837 BTC [-] {5}	[16:40]
ascii_field	'different strokez for different folks', i don't give a damn if she bought 50k of plastic tit or of 'cessna'	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	and especially nonsensical given that there's an exactly just as silly, but opposite direction social convention : people going around with a prosthetic leg are apparently GREAT!11	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	seems just more puritan nonsense at wurk.	[16:41]
*	assbot removes voice from ascii_field	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	!up ascii_field	[16:41]
-assbot-	You voiced ascii_field for 30 minutes.	[16:41]
*	assbot gives voice to ascii_field	[16:41]
ascii_field	prosthetic leg - only great if comes with good war story. (or pirate!)	[16:42]
ascii_field	and only for 5min or so.	[16:42]
trinque	prosthetic pussy is its own war story	[16:42]
mircea_popescu	you know... retrospecitvely i agree ? i think we found the common ground!	[16:42]
mircea_popescu	for to my eyes too, "Fake tits only great if come with great whoredom story"	[16:43]
ascii_field	trinque: see opera 'hedwig and the angry inch'	[16:43]
trinque	ascii_field: I have a cat named hedwig!	[16:43]
trinque	male	[16:43]
trinque	or was!	[16:43]
ascii_field	l0l	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	does he have a helmet ?	[16:43]
trinque	heh he does not	[16:43]
trinque	thought he was female, then the day of spaying his balls dropped	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196659 << assbot does the bitly for this reason - use it	[16:44]
assbot	Logged on 10-07-2015 16:53:43; Adlai: which is tbh more consistent with what happened a few weeks ago	[16:44]
ascii_field	!s a pig like that	[16:44]
assbot	3 results for 'a pig like that' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=a+pig+like+that	[16:44]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196677 << some of the relevant folk are so far behind what passes for banal standard here, takes them a week of meditation to get to a place where it can be arranged into a semblance of sense.	[16:45]
assbot	Logged on 10-07-2015 17:07:16; ascii_field: my current hypothesis is that all the relevant folks are waiting for 'gossipd' and don't give much of a fuck	[16:45]
mircea_popescu	ask around.	[16:45]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: i meant - the lot of us. nobody wants to really break a sweat for channel housekeeping because gossipd is 'the right thing'	[16:46]
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ascii_field	but i suspect that the puzzle of how to get 'talebs' in here without the doorway being permanently plugged with reddit turds will remain	[16:48]
*	shinohai will work here	[16:48]
mircea_popescu	no, i happen to think your housekeeping ideas are a short path to hell.	[16:51]
ascii_field	probably	[16:51]
ascii_field	kakobrekla did point out (later in thread) that none of it would make a whit of difference	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	to make things too pointed for life : tyhis place doesn't need X, for any given x. it can use x, but it has alternatives. X however, ~does not~ have alternatives. he pretends like he does and perceives that he does. he does not. the reason this is the case is specifically for particularities of this place that should never be fixed.	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	for should they ever be fixed, yes, it'd perhaps be "easier" for x to get involved. nevertheless, it'll also be pointless for anyone to get involved.	[16:53]
ascii_field	this is a good summary of why, e.g., voice model and gpg mechanizm	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	exaclty.	[16:55]
ascii_field	but the n00bs-get-ddosed turd still stinks. no matter how dresses as sausage	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	obviously invite-only would solve all the same conundrums we currently solve in this particularly circumlocutionary manner	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	this isn't because we're circumlocutory idiots. it's because it's actually necessary, for very good reasons.	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	and yes shit will still stink.	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	!up Gabriel-work	[16:56]
-assbot-	You voiced Gabriel-work for 30 minutes.	[16:56]
*	assbot gives voice to Gabriel-work	[16:56]
Gabriel-work	thank you	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	np	[16:56]
Gabriel-work	IMHO	[16:56]
Gabriel-work	there are only three or four "talebs"	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	you're only counting the old ones.	[16:56]
Gabriel-work	in the invite, let them know about the DDOS bot	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	this is worse than useless.	[16:56]
Gabriel-work	?	[16:56]
Gabriel-work	how so?	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	"oh there's only three or four spent cartridges on the floor"	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	who the fuck cares. i want the taleb in his 20s not the taleb in his 70s.	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	not that i MIND the later. but neither to i drastically care.	[16:57]
Gabriel-work	Ahhh	[16:57]
*	ascii_field was a sort of borderline case when invited to bitcoin-assets by hanbot	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	anyway, all this too pointed for life discussion. i tire of it.	[16:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109007 @ 0.00052684 = 57.4292 BTC [+] {2}	[16:58]
Gabriel-work	taleb in his 20s will find his way here	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	fact remains, there's going to be some inconvenience.	[16:58]
Gabriel-work	taleb in his 70s needs to be invited	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	sorry about that.	[16:58]
ascii_field	i suspect that '20-y.o. taleb' may be a contradiction in terms	[16:59]
ascii_field	like 20.y.o. socrates	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196739 << don't knock it, it's how women survived for millenia before there were fake knockers.	[16:59]
assbot	Logged on 10-07-2015 17:55:51; trinque: whatever's left of them can keep an oral tradition	[16:59]
ascii_field	man life cycle doesn't quite work that way	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field but socrates was factually 20.	[17:00]
ascii_field	aha	[17:00]
ascii_field	was 2, too	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	right.,	[17:00]
ascii_field	but 'not socrates yet'	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	i always thought that's the king of pedos : the guy that fucks future stars only	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	when they're 5.	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	then buys their records, 15 years later.	[17:00]
Adlai	and forever regrets, "if only i'd bought her that lollipop"	[17:02]
mircea_popescu	lol nah, this'd be a more frank-the-ditch-esque personality.	[17:03]
mircea_popescu	dumps them when they're 7, too old now, going to school.	[17:03]
Adlai	which ditch is called frank?	[17:03]
mircea_popescu	;;google frank the ditch	[17:03]
gribble	Doing 'The Ditch' Capt. Frank's Way - Inside Practical Sailor Blog ...: ; SOLUTION: Dave can dig a ditch in 6 hours, and Sam can ... - Algebra: ; Arizona: Water It Makes a Village \| The Nature Conservancy: (1 more message)	[17:03]
mircea_popescu	pff google!	[17:04]
*	Adlai has not the ability to load google from this client	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2012/frank-the-ditch/	[17:04]
assbot	Frank the Ditch on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NUBR59 )	[17:04]
Adlai	google is too much cruft	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	still gives hanbot nightmares.	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	and with that... of to craft!	[17:05]
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*	Adlai stops reading after the first sentence of every paragraph!	[17:05]
Adlai	again and again. fancy that.	[17:05]
punkman	I'd setup a gigablast instance fed by log links	[17:05]
*	Adlai goes back to work	[17:05]
punkman	that fortress of code looks impenetrable on one hand, seems to work out the box on the other	[17:06]
*	trinque thinks mircea_popescu would write good metal lyrics	[17:08]
ascii_field	http://labs.bromium.com/2015/07/10/government-grade-malware-a-look-at-hackingteams-rat << analysis of some of the ht turdwarez	[17:09]
assbot	Government Grade Malware: a Look at HackingTeam’s RAT \| Bromium Labs ... ( http://bit.ly/1NUDjUY )	[17:09]
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trinque	ascii_field: heh some of this we did at a previous job as "parental controls" software	[17:11]
trinque	the IM interception and social website session hijacking	[17:12]
trinque	was a lot of fun actually	[17:12]
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trinque	!up ascii_field	[17:12]
*	assbot gives voice to ascii_field	[17:12]
ascii_field	trinque: aha, sop	[17:12]
ascii_field	nothing really remarkable in the turd, just a 'complete set'	[17:12]
trinque	yeah, looks like the list of features on sub7 or back orifice	[17:13]
BingoBoingo	I'll be back in a few	[17:13]
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trinque	my god they have antivirus detection functions!	[17:14]
trinque	twenty-six of them!	[17:14]
trinque	hopefully this means the government will spend more of my future on cybersecurity	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	http://minigame.bz/jurov/HackedTeam/Hacked%20Team/ << if anyone cares.	[17:15]
assbot	Index of /jurov/HackedTeam/Hacked Team	[17:15]
ascii_field	^ neat!	[17:17]
mircea_popescu	there is no guarantee that it will stay up forever.	[17:17]
ascii_field	not a bad test of 'bulletproof' host	[17:18]
ascii_field	the bullets - will fly	[17:18]
mircea_popescu	dobut they will and this isn't even bulletproof.	[17:18]
ascii_field	this might be the first lulzleak where i think it is interesting and mircea_popescu proclaims snorefest	[17:20]
mats	it's interesting because the capability is wide	[17:21]
mats	and snorefest because it's relatively easy	[17:21]
ascii_field	mats: the code is by far the most boring part	[17:21]
ascii_field	the interesting part is that these folks were in the buttbuddy s333k000r1ty wot	[17:22]
ascii_field	and handsomely paid to do trivial shit	[17:22]
mats	but if you're a nation-state without access to the wot or a skilled pool of devs	[17:23]
ascii_field	(iirc mircea_popescu had some unnamed intelligence that the 'handsomely paid' part didn't happen...?)	[17:23]
mats	and you've got an op you need talent for, folks like HT to aid you	[17:23]
ascii_field	that wasn't the unknown in the equation	[17:23]
ascii_field	but rather 'why does ht get to do this'	[17:23]
mats	rather than force you to forego the opportunity the op presents, or spend six months to a year spinning up	[17:23]
mats	er, folks like HT exist to aid you	[17:24]
ascii_field	my point is that if i, or mats, write to, e.g., saudi, offering ht work, will be laughed out of the room; and, since these twits don't believe in pgp, we'd get a visit from gasenwagen the next day	[17:25]
ascii_field	ergo, ht et al carry out their trade under crown concession.	[17:25]
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mats	sure	[17:26]
ascii_field	on one side of the coin - someone to vouch for them, prevent laugh-out-of-the-room; on other - to avoid 'having problems', wash the money, handle employees who might like to go free-agent	[17:26]
trinque	maybe one of them got arrested back in the day	[17:26]
mats	and one day we may have the same fellas at the fringes of our wot, tryna get in	[17:27]
ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-02-2015#1023860 << see also	[17:28]
assbot	Logged on 18-02-2015 16:36:33; mircea_popescu: it's not so much a "i want those guys back" as it is "i want the situaiton where being 20 and into computers was more distinctive than any other thing - and you could spot a govt mole from a mile away"	[17:28]
ascii_field	^ namely, the fact that we even think about 'moles' is indicative of how low the entire computing thing has fallen	[17:29]
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trinque	it's off dreaming of electric sheep again	[17:35]
ascii_field	http://minigame.bz/jurov/HackedTeam/Hacked%20Team/m.romeo/screenshots/HsCzCKRf.jpeg	[17:36]
ascii_field	^ l0l	[17:37]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1IPNOJU )	[17:37]
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ascii_field	^ Run Moar Winblowz	[17:40]
shinohai	is webchat obsolete?	[17:40]
ascii_field	i'm still floored by all the drooling morons who think that you need to build code under microshit's compiler, when writing turdware	[17:40]
trinque	impostors posing as human beings everywhere	[17:41]
shinohai	if everyone voiced here was in my irc then i could sync node	[17:41]
ascii_field	shinohai: wai wat	[17:42]
trinque	they saw other Very Serious People using windoze, and so that's what they do	[17:42]
ascii_field	trinque: even the 'project olympic games' team at nsa seems to use 100% vs	[17:42]
ascii_field	what a sad joke	[17:42]
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asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[17:43]
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ascii_field	i'm not sure how a compiler which produces a 300KB 'hello world' and 800KB 'virus' could evoke anything but derisive laughter	[17:44]
trinque	ascii_field: I saw a picture somewhere that drove it home	[17:44]
trinque	super serious NSA guy at some congressional hearing	[17:45]
trinque	on his windows laptop, some daytime television FireEye screen	[17:45]
trinque	they're all morons acting out a terrible show	[17:45]
ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2014#756107 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2014#756108	[17:46]
assbot	Logged on 15-07-2014 03:00:27; asciilifeform: one of my first job interviews out of uni. telephone. a fellow from one of the giant gov. contractors was really intrigued that i know x86 asm., have reversed crud for money. i ask him 'what's the job'. he: automated reversing. me: of what. he: ever hear of karatsuba's algo? me: sure. bignum mult. him: well, we wanna find encryption softs on terrorist drives!	[17:46]
assbot	Logged on 15-07-2014 03:00:53; asciilifeform: me: why would terrorist run ms-win. he: they will always, trust me.	[17:46]
jurov	http://minigame.bz/jurov/HackedTeam/Hacked%20Team/c.pozzi/screenshots/eflMbLTM.jpeg obligatory solitaire	[17:46]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Hr77Ut )	[17:46]
jurov	why such hate? it pays the bills	[17:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52600 @ 0.00052587 = 27.6608 BTC [+] {2}	[17:47]
trinque	jokes on us, libjpeg is pwn3d, and we all just got rooted	[17:47]
trinque	gg haxor team	[17:47]
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gabriel_laddel	ty	[17:48]
ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1197128 << because why should it pay ~their~ billz	[17:48]
assbot	Logged on 10-07-2015 20:43:03; jurov: why such hate? it pays the bills	[17:48]
gabriel_laddel	trinque: how goes	[17:48]
trinque	not bad, hunchentootin' today	[17:50]
trinque	and you?	[17:50]
ascii_field	trinque: perhaps meta-nsa doesn't need the libjpeg 0day, given as we'll confess in the coke machine anyway	[17:53]
trinque	heh	[17:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106350 @ 0.00052862 = 56.2187 BTC [+] {2}	[18:05]
williamdunne	lol	[18:06]
williamdunne	https://twitter.com/pierre_rochard/status/619610930335191040	[18:06]
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trinque	ag3nt_zer0: good afternoon	[18:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7662 @ 0.00052058 = 3.9887 BTC [-]	[18:11]
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shinohai	O.o hay +O	[18:14]
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ag3nt_zer0	trinque: hey what's happenin	[18:16]
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trinque	ag3nt_zer0: hacking the day away, yourself?	[18:23]
asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[18:36]
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ascii_field	https://blockchain.info/ip-address/195.211.154.159 << l0l, didn't know this pheature existed	[18:36]
assbot	Transactions Relayed By 195.211.154.159 - Blockchain.info ... ( http://bit.ly/1HkVpOb )	[18:36]
ascii_field	https://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions-excluding-chains-longer-than-10 << l33t sp4mz0rz	[18:41]
assbot	Bitcoin Number of Transactions Excluding Chains Longer Than 10 ... ( http://bit.ly/1HkW1DF )	[18:41]
trinque	https://blockchain.info/charts/transaction-fees << and a little bump here too	[18:43]
assbot	Bitcoin Total Transaction Fees ... ( http://bit.ly/1HkWh5p )	[18:43]
decimation	'chains longer than 10' does that mean that there are 10 transactions that end up consolidating into one account?	[18:43]
decimation	at any rate it is clear someone revved up spam machine	[18:45]
decimation	ascii_field: http://rusty.ozlabs.org/?p=522	[18:45]
assbot	The Megatransaction: Why Does It Take 25 Seconds? - Rusty Russell's Coding Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1HkWAx0 )	[18:45]
decimation	https://blockchain.info/tx/bb41a757f405890fb0f5856228e23b715702d714d59bf2b1feb70d8b2b4e3e08	[18:45]
decimation	someone laid a mega-fecolith into the blockchain	[18:46]
ascii_field	0 fee, aha	[18:46]
jurov	"Chains Longer Than 10" imo chains of unconfirmed txs	[18:47]
ascii_field	decimation: parallelizing the sig verify thing would be pretty simple	[18:47]
decimation	aye	[18:47]
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decimation	jurov: ah that kinda makes sense. would be useful if they had docs	[18:49]
jurov	what dox? nice pix that pay their bills suffice.	[18:52]
trinque	http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/10/us-usa-reddit-resignation-idUSKCN0PK2HZ20150710 << lol!	[18:59]
assbot	Ellen Pao resigning as CEO of Reddit: source	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	"It was widely reported to take about 25 seconds for bitcoin core to process this block: this is far worse than my “2 seconds per MB” result in my last post, which was considered a pretty bad case. Let’s look at why."	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	clearly, 20 mb blocks HAVE CONSENSUS BEHIND THEM	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	the consensus of bleating idiots	[19:00]
trinque	and they are losing their glorious leader, it seems	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	where the fuck is that gavin idiot now ? where are all the twerps that were going on about how my article describing him in terms of mental retardation was, to any degree, off mark ?	[19:00]
ascii_field	we know where	[19:00]
ascii_field	at noblis et al, spamming tx	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	the man belongs in an institution for the developmentally delayed.	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	Short Term Steps Use the Intel and ARM optimized SHA256 routines, which increase SHA256 speed by about 80%. << NO.	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	not now, not EVER.	[19:02]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: pretty transparent that the derps ~want~ to tempt the easily tempted	[19:02]
ascii_field	with 'magic accelerator'	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	sure. nevertheless...	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	fucking hell, having usg-ssh imported into bitcoin wasn't bad enough	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	let's also import "intel".	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	five billion lines of proprietary code in an unknown language that nobody has ever seen.	[19:03]
ascii_field	decimation et al: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/fud-halt-all-trading-very-important-info-inside-42.246888 << one of the few search hits for that 19VAb9zAhpWLaWfEuqw9HXup2zaNoNPPyE	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	is this going to be another scammer doing the goat routine ?	[19:03]
ascii_field	who or wat it was, i do not know	[19:04]
ascii_field	but that's the source of the 1mb monolithic tx turd from earlier	[19:04]
ascii_field	(or rather, ~a~ source)	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	ah that	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	it's meaningless really.	[19:04]
jurov	http://www.businessinsider.com/the-military-tested-bacterial-weapons-in-san-francisco-2015-7	[19:05]
assbot	The military tested bacterial weapons in San Francisco - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1HkYSMI )	[19:05]
mircea_popescu	!s a-ads	[19:05]
assbot	7 results for 'a-ads' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=a-ads	[19:05]
ascii_field	not entirely. these, after all, aren't raindrops, they have arms and legs growing out of them somewhere.	[19:05]
ascii_field	jurov: i thought this was well-known for decades?	[19:06]
jurov	not by me	[19:06]
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trinque	jurov: "This is a crazy story; one that seems like it must be a conspiracy theory." << beatings for people who do this	[19:07]
trinque	it's fucking 2015	[19:07]
trinque	the govt testing bioweapons on the population is not weird or fringe	[19:08]
trinque	people are just cowards and must remind themselves that "they wouldn't dare!" like an autistic tic	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell pete_dushenski "I’m not sure how this level of thrills compares with, say, Eulora" << disfavourably. 50% returns not that uncommon, but i just brought home 4200 grass on a 2 axes + 400 threads run (like 220%).	[19:08]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[19:08]
jurov	oh yes. and then it lands on my fucking body and needs several tests and cultivations to ascertain what it is and how to cure it	[19:09]
jurov	presently, in my left ear	[19:09]
mircea_popescu	an actual bacteria ?!	[19:10]
jurov	that was the first hypothesis	[19:10]
jurov	now the doc was like "hm, something still there, looks like fungi or yeast	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	did you get the streptomycin/cephalosporin/etc barage ?	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	oh. see, that's a different story.	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	it is rare to see bacteria giving trouble to imuno-indemn individuals. yeasts on the other hand... ask an adult woman.	[19:12]
jurov	no bacteria was cultivated, and i avoid atb until strictly necessary	[19:12]
jurov	as our whole family is half deaf thanks to them	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	hm	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	how's that work ?	[19:13]
jurov	specifically, streptomycin, erythromycin and one more i forgot	[19:13]
jurov	it just kills ear nerve endings	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	yeah. it's a bitch - best way to handle staph aureus (guy on skin), but ototoxic	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1197080 << so we complement each other.	[19:15]
assbot	Logged on 10-07-2015 20:16:16; ascii_field: this might be the first lulzleak where i think it is interesting and mircea_popescu proclaims snorefest	[19:15]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1197087 << it's really one step up from getafreelancer, that stuff. which is why not terribru interesting to me.	[19:16]
assbot	Logged on 10-07-2015 20:19:20; ascii_field: (iirc mircea_popescu had some unnamed intelligence that the 'handsomely paid' part didn't happen...?)	[19:16]
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asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[19:16]
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ascii_field	notice, sometimes i have to try run a mircea_popescu under emulation, when the real one is asleep	[19:16]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1197093 << "go talk to her then" "i'd be laugh out of the room" "yes, now you will be."	[19:17]
assbot	Logged on 10-07-2015 20:21:42; ascii_field: my point is that if i, or mats, write to, e.g., saudi, offering ht work, will be laughed out of the room; and, since these twits don't believe in pgp, we'd get a visit from gasenwagen the next day	[19:17]
mircea_popescu	lol emulated mp	[19:17]
jurov	mircea_popescu has forked as eulora owner/player, maybe he can do again for you	[19:17]
ascii_field	incidentally, if we ever abandon this place for gossipd etc. someone oughta leave shannonized (from logs) versions of us	[19:18]
ascii_field	let'em converse.	[19:18]
trinque	hahaha	[19:18]
trinque	the first test is whether you notice	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	im sure this is happening as we speak.	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	some kids in a private chan somewhere.	[19:19]
ascii_field	betcha it'd still make for better reading (or fuck, even conversation) than 'reddit' et al	[19:19]
mircea_popescu	www.metacafe.com/.../a_bronx_tale_1993_imitating_sonny_and_his_crew/‎ <<	[19:19]
jurov	http://imgur.com/Ydmf7Xl << mircea_popescu is step ahead as always	[19:20]
assbot	Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hl0eHj )	[19:20]
ascii_field	l0l!	[19:20]
ascii_field	was that nubbins`'s work ?	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	ahaha that was nubbins` ?	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	ye	[19:21]
jurov	y	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	i particularly like the tuft	[19:21]
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mircea_popescu	gotta be lizard hitler in there.	[19:21]
trinque	"mega-l0l"	[19:21]
ascii_field	nah those are separate keys	[19:22]
jurov	"tron" compose key	[19:22]
trinque	hehe	[19:22]
mircea_popescu	i never saw anything but mega-lol.	[19:22]
ascii_field	eh, plenty	[19:22]
mircea_popescu	!s plenty-lol	[19:22]
ascii_field	mega-b00kz	[19:22]
assbot	1 results for 'plenty-lol' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=plenty-lol	[19:22]
trinque	!s mega-snore	[19:22]
assbot	8 results for 'mega-snore' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mega-snore	[19:22]
trinque	^	[19:22]
mircea_popescu	other than mega not other than lol!	[19:22]
ascii_field	we live in intense time. not many centi-, kilo-, snores	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	centisnore!	[19:23]
jurov	nanosnore :D	[19:23]
ascii_field	^ one 10**9th of the boredom required to actually fall asleep ?	[19:24]
mircea_popescu	you know if you snore when you sleep it's apnea	[19:24]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80140 @ 0.00051988 = 41.6632 BTC [-] {2}	[19:25]
mircea_popescu	btw, anyone wanna make an emacs eulora client ?	[19:25]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1197125 << in translation, "we prefer to hope they will than consider the matter. because if we considered the matter, i'd have to find a diff job, and so would my boss."	[19:29]
assbot	Logged on 10-07-2015 20:42:19; assbot: Logged on 15-07-2014 03:00:53; asciilifeform: me: why would terrorist run ms-win. he: they will always, trust me.	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	in related news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/97293b64e3203aa8ea15eaba7f01905e/tumblr_n00c2qbmB51r5dekpo1_1280.jpg	[19:34]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1HTzmQc )	[19:34]
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mthreat	!s "in other news" from:mircea	[19:38]
assbot	279 results for '"in other news" from:mircea' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%22in+other+news%22+from%3Amircea	[19:38]
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williamdunne	You can do !s http:// from:mircea_popescu and get vast quantities of porn	[19:45]
williamdunne	!s http:// from:mircea_popescu	[19:46]
assbot	9006 results for 'http:// from:mircea_popescu' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2F+from%3Amircea_popescu	[19:46]
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asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[20:37]
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ascii_field	achtung, panzerz!	[20:37]
ascii_field	mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al:	[20:38]
ascii_field	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000119.html	[20:38]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GcYRGL )	[20:38]
ascii_field	(EXPERIMENTAL) A farewell to 'testnet.'	[20:38]
ascii_field	and	[20:38]
ascii_field	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000120.html	[20:38]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GcYUCu )	[20:38]
ascii_field	(EXPERIMENTAL) Add '-verifyall' option.	[20:38]
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ag3nt_zer0	trinque: same here little of this and little of that	[20:39]
ascii_field	mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al: so far, no one has signed any of my patches... am i to conclude that nobody reads these things?	[20:40]
ascii_field	or that nobody understands what is inside?	[20:40]
ascii_field	because if so, i can try to help...	[20:40]
ascii_field	or is it that jurov doesn't have a handy mechanical way to group these sigs together yet ?	[20:41]
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assbot	Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1HSTHXM )	[21:31]
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gernika	"Ellen Pao, the interim chief executive officer of Reddit, will be succeeded by Steve Huffman." << Met this guy (Steve Huffman) years ago at a YC startup school event. Had a brief discussion with him about lisp (don't recall the dialect he used).	[21:40]
mod6	asciilifeform: thakns for the latest submissions!	[21:51]
mod6	<+ascii_field> mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al: so far, no one has signed any of my patches... am i to conclude that nobody reads these things? << I've read them all (except the 2 you just posted, about to read here in a moment) but I don't sign patches until release is prepared.	[21:52]
mod6	i like -verifyall as a cmdline option!	[21:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00052592 = 11.0443 BTC [-]	[21:58]
cazalla	http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/07/despite-hacking-teams-poor-opsec-ceo-came-from-early-days-of-pgp/	[21:58]
assbot	Despite Hacking Team’s poor opsec, CEO came from early days of PGP \| Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gd8mFR )	[21:58]
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decimation	"Sanfilippo described Vincenzetti as a very liberal person interested in protecting free speech, someone who saw cryptography as "a means to protect communications." But over time, Vincenzetti's view evidently evolved to allow the security professional to found Hacking Team. "	[22:14]
decimation	gee, I wonder if cash and the fetish of power changed his mind	[22:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114700 @ 0.00052502 = 60.2198 BTC [-] {2}	[22:14]
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mod6	asciilifeform: testnet patch looks good at first read-through. i'll apply these to my sources bases (on top of stator + patches { dump/eat block }) and continue testing. i'll also add these to my build-with-patches guide.	[22:16]
decimation	http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2533 < "These employees will bring their families to the area. There will also be an influx of welfare families fleeing the city ahead of the drug gangs and predatory police along the bus lines set up at tax payer expense so that you can save 25 cents on a dozen eggs, which requires some schlep to stock them in that upright cooler on a wage that cannot support an automobile."	[22:22]
assbot	JL: The Hoodrat Hatchery ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gdanlg )	[22:22]
decimation	"These families—by law—may not have a father. Therefore, 15 years from that Wal-Mart going up, you will have a full generation of violent, rootless, fatherless youth grown up with no sense of community, responsibility, or decency, who will instead be infused with a sense of entitlement, righteous oppression, and slave class envy for you, the guy buying the house down the street as its value plummets. "	[22:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00053341 = 8.6412 BTC [+]	[22:23]
decimation	He's describing the classic 'baptists and bootleggers' economy	[22:24]
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decimation	!up Luke-Jr	[22:26]
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Luke-Jr	…	[22:29]
trinque	it's somewhat interesting to note that wikipedia has a german page on hunchentoot, but the english one was deleted.	[22:29]
decimation	Luke did you read the logs in here about the 2hr block time window?	[22:30]
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decimation	trinque: that is a bit odd	[22:34]
trinque	deleted by some guy that edits a lot of movie/tv pages, south park in particular.	[22:35]
Luke-Jr	decimation: no.	[22:35]
trinque	it's just as well.	[22:35]
trinque	happened upon that pulling up docs elsewhere	[22:35]
decimation	Luke-Jr: what is your opinion on the recent soft-fork/mining fiasco? Do you think that 950/1000 blocks constitutes any kind of 'consensus'?	[22:36]
Luke-Jr	decimation: softforks require only a majority of miners, not a consensus.	[22:36]
decimation	okay maybe I'm using the term 'soft-fork' to mean something different. What do you call 'block revision increment'?	[22:37]
Luke-Jr	'block revision increment' has no meaning to me	[22:38]
trinque	Luke-Jr: blocks have a version, do they not?	[22:39]
decimation	err yeah 'version' not 'revision'	[22:39]
Luke-Jr	trinque: sure, but they have no particular meaning until defined	[22:39]
decimation	yes, and the meaning is used in the concensus code, which 'activates' after 950/1000 blocks with the new version are seen	[22:42]
decimation	do you think this mechanism is sound?	[22:42]
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gabriel_laddel	The elephant trunk (well, close)! http://www.jwz.org/blog/2015/01/today-in-robotentacle-news-4/	[22:56]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1HjJUo9 )	[22:56]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49500 @ 0.0005302 = 26.2449 BTC [-]	[23:00]
decimation	Qui tacet consentit	[23:03]
decimation	!up Luke-Jr	[23:04]
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Luke-Jr	decimation: the 950/1000 block definition is specific to BIP66/v3; it's fairly sound, and the recent fiasco is basically unrelated to it	[23:04]
decimation	other than it being the very mechanism which activated it	[23:04]
Luke-Jr	except it wasn't; it just meant there were suddenly people mining invalid blocks	[23:05]
Luke-Jr	(the remaining 5%)	[23:05]
Luke-Jr	had anyone else mined an invalid block for any reason, the SPV miners would have continued those chains too	[23:05]
decimation	'suddenly invalid'? as if nature itself rejected it?	[23:06]
decimation	1000 blocks (1 week) seems like a fairly small period to change things	[23:06]
Luke-Jr	I didn't say "suddenly invalid"	[23:06]
Luke-Jr	95% for 1000 blocks, while only 51% is needed	[23:07]
Luke-Jr	also, it was an ongoing migration that took months	[23:07]
decimation	I get that, but it still seems like a short period	[23:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42750 @ 0.00052698 = 22.5284 BTC [-] {2}	[23:08]
decimation	'is needed'? who judges that?	[23:08]
Luke-Jr	that's just the nature of softforks	[23:08]
decimation	oh, I see. handed down from the ancients who wrote 0.7?	[23:09]
decimation	the point I am driving at is that someone can mine blocks without consenting to anything w.r.t. the codebase	[23:09]
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decimation	as has been quite aptly demonstrated	[23:10]
Luke-Jr	it's not a human-made decision at all, it's just how things are	[23:10]
Luke-Jr	I don't see your point. Someone can mine invalid blocks. so what?	[23:10]
decimation	because the meaning of 'invalid' was changed	[23:11]
decimation	before 0.7 there was no code that 'gathered consensus'	[23:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29863 @ 0.00052433 = 15.6581 BTC [-] {2}	[23:12]
gabriel_laddel	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1197137 << And how did this turn out?	[23:12]
assbot	Logged on 10-07-2015 20:46:57; trinque: not bad, hunchentootin' today	[23:12]
Luke-Jr	decimation: it was still possible	[23:13]
Luke-Jr	also there was technically the P2SH code before 0.7 IIRC	[23:13]
trinque	gabriel_laddel: oh, lovely. write a handler, c-x c-k, try it out, repeat	[23:14]
gabriel_laddel	trinque: I heard you just got hyperspec.el setup - do you have SLIME presentations enabled?	[23:14]
trinque	hm, maybe not	[23:14]
trinque	what would that do?	[23:15]
gabriel_laddel	you can "inspect" objects returned at the repl by clicking on them	[23:15]
gabriel_laddel	modify their state etc	[23:15]
gabriel_laddel	via the slime-inspector	[23:15]
gabriel_laddel	which you've used?	[23:15]
trinque	#	[23:15]
trinque	yep	[23:15]
gabriel_laddel	o nice, then you've pretty much the best of what emacs has to offer for CL development.	[23:16]
trinque	I am still new enough to this to be having a fantastic time.	[23:16]
trinque	though, as it stays out of the goddamn way of the task of programming, I could see never tiring of it	[23:17]
gabriel_laddel	me too	[23:17]
gabriel_laddel	I got serial ports comms working in a single line of cl today.	[23:17]
gabriel_laddel	yay	[23:17]
gabriel_laddel	(well, a single line setup + other crud)	[23:17]
trinque	people who prefer more complicated and disorderly systems seem to think there's some virtue in being able to cram it all into the head (C++...)	[23:20]
trinque	doesn't seem like they then consider whether they have any cranial space left for their problem	[23:20]
gabriel_laddel	yep	[23:20]
trinque	saw you found work writing cl, pretty cool	[23:20]
gabriel_laddel	This is my experience. The C++/.NET code for the device I was communicating with today - 250 lines of code to do what my single line does.	[23:21]
Luke-Jr	k, highlight me if there's more	[23:21]
gabriel_laddel	^^ I seem to be good at making business people feel confident / happy with me.	[23:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24350 @ 0.00052873 = 12.8746 BTC [+] {2}	[23:21]
gabriel_laddel	I'm noodling around with the idea of my hunting down contracts for CL people	[23:21]
gabriel_laddel	sort of like a recruiter	[23:21]
decimation	Luke-Jr: I need to do more research, thank you for your candor.	[23:22]
gabriel_laddel	But perhaps handling some of the business side of things + gnarly technical tasks.	[23:22]
trinque	depending on the type of consulting, it may be more or less up to you how to actually implement whatever's called for	[23:22]
Luke-Jr	decimation: this may be of interested to you; it is a WIP https://gist.github.com/sipa/bf69659f43e763540550	[23:22]
assbot	Version bits BIP ... ( http://bit.ly/1HjMqKU )	[23:22]
gabriel_laddel	trinque: in this particular they wanted something that actually works	[23:23]
trinque	heh!	[23:23]
gabriel_laddel	a surprising amount of people simply want subordinates to order around	[23:23]
gabriel_laddel	at least, this is what I've seen so far	[23:24]
Luke-Jr	decimation: there is also https://github.com/jtimon/bips/blob/bip-forks/bip-forks.org , but IIRC it had some problems	[23:24]
assbot	bips/bip-forks.org at bip-forks · jtimon/bips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1HjMzhF )	[23:24]
gabriel_laddel	trinque: are you just playing around with hunchentoot, or writing a production system?	[23:25]
trinque	production system	[23:25]
trinque	api thing that pokes a db	[23:25]
gabriel_laddel	And you talk to the thing in CL?	[23:26]
trinque	got something out in the world that runs cl, talks to a web api	[23:26]
trinque	this will be the first server side component	[23:26]
trinque	to replace: https://github.com/begriffs/postgrest which I do not like	[23:27]
assbot	begriffs/postgrest · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1HjMQRv )	[23:27]
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trinque	haven't used the latter with anything mission critical; it was a matter of evaluating it	[23:27]
trinque	but that's the thing I'm rewriting... "pgtoot"	[23:27]
decimation	Luke-Jr: this whole line of action strikes me as backwards. why not produce a spec before forcing changes from the de-facto standard?	[23:27]
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gabriel_laddel	so you have a few function calls that diddle the db and you're tying those to routes?	[23:28]
trinque	yep	[23:28]
Luke-Jr	decimation: what? BIP 66 has been a spec since January	[23:28]
decimation	I mean a spec that desribes the behaviour of the entire codebase	[23:28]
gabriel_laddel	I wish someone would automate this already. I write the functions, then pass them into `export-functions' which walks the program, generates POST routes for all of them.	[23:29]
Luke-Jr	decimation: because people might interpret it as a spec	[23:29]
trinque	gabriel_laddel: that is precisely what I'm doing	[23:29]
decimation	???	[23:29]
gabriel_laddel	trinque: !	[23:29]
trinque	I've written this in python already	[23:29]
trinque	postgrest looked like it might have a clue early on	[23:29]
trinque	becoming a features katamari shitshow	[23:30]
Luke-Jr	decimation: Bitcoin's rules by nature are defined by the actual software people are using. If a "spec" disagrees with those de facto rules, the "spec" is wrong.	[23:30]
trinque	gabriel_laddel: every web-app ever is just a matter of bolting some table or view to a ui component	[23:30]
trinque	and then letting that component know when the data in question changes	[23:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26560 @ 0.00052016 = 13.8154 BTC [-] {2}	[23:30]
gabriel_laddel	yeah	[23:30]
gabriel_laddel	dancing around presentations	[23:30]
gabriel_laddel	forever	[23:30]
Luke-Jr	decimation: this is why Bitcoin Core 0.8.0's bug was a bug in 0.8.0 and not the (commonly used) older versions	[23:30]
decimation	Luke-Jr: you see how this has the convinent side-effect of ceding complete authority over 'bitcoin' to the 'bitcoin core' committers?	[23:31]
Luke-Jr	decimation: no, it is to the users - Bitcoin Core 0.8.0 changed the rules, but was not adopted as the new protocol, so it was wrong	[23:32]
Luke-Jr	(it's ironic but true that Mike Hearn has written two changes in Bitcoin Core, and both of them introduced serious bugs..)	[23:32]
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mod6	!b 1	[23:33]
assbot	Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0E6JFXW.txt )	[23:33]
Luke-Jr	:<	[23:34]
Luke-Jr	I didn't really want to be quoted on that	[23:34]
gabriel_laddel	http://wcp.sdf-eu.org/software/	[23:34]
assbot	Software bits ... ( http://bit.ly/1HjNuOZ )	[23:34]
gabriel_laddel	BINGE is a FFI generator for Common Lisp. It parses C source files (header or code, it doesn't mind) and spits out a FFI for your Lisp system of choice. Functions, global variables, types and symbolic constants can be extracted just naming them. Its design is modular so that adding a new FFI API is a matter of few hours. Back-ends for SBCL, CMUCL, LispWorks, UFFI and CLISP are provided.	[23:34]
gabriel_laddel	...	[23:34]
gabriel_laddel	please work	[23:34]
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trinque	"binge" << lol	[23:34]
trinque	that's pretty good	[23:34]
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mats	!rate moneycat 1 new guy	[23:40]
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assbot	Invalid verfication string.	[23:43]
mats	gah	[23:43]
mats	!v assbot:mats.rate.moneycat.1:801ec5c77ea271e6dad662052dfc4363a1843c6cc5bc53dcd6609361c20777a5	[23:44]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6659 @ 0.00053341 = 3.552 BTC [+]	[23:51]
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mats	;;bc,24hprc	[23:52]
gribble	284.73	[23:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61700 @ 0.00052739 = 32.54 BTC [-]	[23:57]
williamdunne	!up Luke-Jr	[23:58]
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williamdunne	Luke-Jr: In fairness, the fact that this is a public logged channel is made quite clear	[23:59]
Luke-Jr	sure	[23:59]

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