Forum logs for 09 Jul 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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phf Vexual: kodiak bears stay away mostly. sometimes you get teenage bears looking for trouble, but i've only heard second hand stories [00:03]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193856 << yeah lol, that'll work better than befoar. [00:04]
assbot Logged on 08-07-2015 21:13:37; ascii_field: the other is so that gavin & co. can try to persuade miners to use their turdball [00:04]
phf bear mace :) [00:04]
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phf that specific breed of bears is tame. mostly you spook them and they run away, or you stay and wait for them to sniff and leave. after a few encounters like that the idea of macing a bear from close range doesn't seem particularly disconcerting [00:08]
funkenstein_ Vexual, awesome :) where was the show? [00:09]
funkenstein_ were you singing? [00:09]
funkenstein_ lol yeah right [00:10]
funkenstein_ this year? [00:10]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193867 >> pretty much. reddit being shut out of bitcoin is a sign of bitcoin working correctly. [00:10]
assbot Logged on 08-07-2015 21:17:35; ascii_field: one telling mark of a tard is that he is unwilling to consider that market's job is not only to supply folks with things, but to REFUSE to supply them [00:10]
mircea_popescu reddit then creating a new dogecoin to serve its perceived needs is a sign of reddit staying reddit, which is top say fucktarded and unable to learn from its mistakes. [00:11]
mircea_popescu this is a necessity, given that reddit simply is "that collection of people at the age and level of stupidity of a redditard" [00:11]
mircea_popescu so, whatever, dogecon, keisercoin, auroracoin, gavincoin, blablacoin, let the kids have fun [00:11]
funkenstein_ better than playing video games [00:12]
funkenstein_ well, mostly ;) [00:12]
mircea_popescu the shitty videogames they have now, for sure. [00:12]
mircea_popescu also better than watching vr mj or whatever it is emi puts out [00:12]
funkenstein_ reminds me, showed girl b-a channel yesterday. respones, wow cool.. people chat online who aren't just trying to get laid? [00:13]
mircea_popescu lol how did she meet you ? [00:13]
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funkenstein_ er, you got me there [00:14]
mircea_popescu who else has she met ? :D [00:15]
funkenstein_ one never knows, could be more but not so few as indicating severe problems [00:16]
mod6 height=363734 << wedged here for ~2 hours. [00:18]
mod6 I don't see any attempt to reorg... but i'm gonna increase the db locks * 2 and see if that changes anything. [00:19]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194085 << svg is svg yo. not had to fix that part [00:19]
assbot Logged on 09-07-2015 00:53:52; asciilifeform: at least 10% of the page should be occupied by letters. [00:19]
mircea_popescu mod6 iirc asciilifeform saw the same wedge spot for a bit. [00:20]
mod6 yeah, im fairly sure that he did. [00:20]
mod6 asciilifeform: what did you do to bypass this, i thought i read you reconnected with -addnode or did you just /wait/ for a long period? [00:20]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194155 << unreliably. maybe they decide to stop. [00:22]
assbot Logged on 09-07-2015 01:17:02; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193949 << virtually all of them do, however. whether ~i~ choose to run ntp or not does not change the fact that the bulk of the network (including - though i can only suspect! - the mining bulk) does. [00:22]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194158 << bitcoin actually has enough power structure to enforce a uniform rejection of usg leap second. [00:22]
assbot Logged on 09-07-2015 01:17:38; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193950 << i keep own time, and usg introduces leap second. now what [00:22]
mircea_popescu this is a power not to be neglected in the slightest. [00:22]
mircea_popescu it already allows me to publicly mock all sorts of traditional power structures, reject nist, what have you. [00:23]
decimation wait, to be anti-leap second is to be pro-'usg controls time' [00:25]
decimation the policy becomes 'time is what my clock in my fortress says' not 'what the sun does' [00:25]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194169 << i didn't misunderstand it. i simply do not credit it at all, just like i don't credit that an object could be arbitrarily pink but shapeless. [00:25]
assbot Logged on 09-07-2015 01:22:46; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193979 << mircea_popescu misunderstood my point entirely. which was, that it is possible to have arbitrarily original ideas in, e.g., mathematics, while being certifiably worthless at 'making phriends and influencing people' [00:25]
mircea_popescu decimation there is no "sun does" immediately. sun doesn't. what there is, is, "here's what i say the sun does". [00:26]
decimation umm okay [00:26]
mircea_popescu the original leap second is http://trilema.com/2015/this-is-why-medicine-is-not-a-liberal-profession-but-a-servile-career/#selection-229.0-229.213 [00:26]
assbot This is why medicine is not a liberal profession, but a servile career on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1D2i8dP ) [00:26]
BingoBoingo close enough to drive to seattle shortly, but far enough to not know it << I would not mind life in Duquoin Illinois if I could support myself there. Trains to Chicago and St Louis, bars walkable. Secondary State Fair. Just everything else... ick [00:27]
decimation the only reason leap seconds are even a thing is because clocks have become more precise than the sun [00:27]
funkenstein_ the concept of "fiat time" is interesting. If we are going to think about what is money ourselves instead of believing the guy in the funny hat, should we also do the same when asked what time it is? [00:27]
mircea_popescu funkenstein_ turtles all the way down. [00:28]
decimation funkenstein_: sure, but note that humanity has a pretty solid informal standard going, has for a long time [00:28]
mircea_popescu decimation if this facetious "precision" were the point, it wouldn't be t here and t+1 hour a km away. [00:28]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194574 << moved the clock. hence the clock thread. [00:28]
mircea_popescu it's not precision. it's political influence. [00:28]
assbot Logged on 09-07-2015 03:17:08; mod6: asciilifeform: what did you do to bypass this, i thought i read you reconnected with -addnode or did you just /wait/ for a long period? [00:28]
BingoBoingo ... << the going rate in that market is a few hundred. << I read the original message as hope for a winning "ticket" [00:29]
decimation okay, if it's political influence, what's the policy? [00:29]
mircea_popescu there is no policy. [00:29]
mircea_popescu "do what we tell you - it's a useful habit for later" [00:29]
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funkenstein_ decimation, not really.. the adjustments are to sync the cycles together [00:29]
mircea_popescu it is. just, wrong source. [00:29]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194577 << if mircea_popescu has figured out how to 'reject usg time', i'm all ears. [00:29]
assbot Logged on 09-07-2015 03:18:58; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194158 << bitcoin actually has enough power structure to enforce a uniform rejection of usg leap second. [00:29]
decimation funkenstein_: you mean leap seconds? [00:29]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform if bitcoin nodes agree to any different time, it's rejected. [00:29]
asciilifeform how are they to agree ? [00:30]
mircea_popescu again, the possibility is here more important than the actuality. [00:30]
funkenstein_ yeah. the mayans had a better system [00:30]
mircea_popescu never you mind. [00:30]
asciilifeform we haven't invented the mechanism ! [00:30]
asciilifeform 'if enemy comes, we will shoot him with death ray' [00:30]
decimation funkenstein_: you are confusing calendar and clock [00:30]
asciilifeform 'what death ray' [00:30]
mircea_popescu you've just described "atomic balance" [00:30]
mircea_popescu or w/e it's called. [00:30]
asciilifeform i described the 'death ray balance' envisioned by tesla. [00:31]
asciilifeform who, as far as we know, did not actually have a working electron cannon [00:31]
asciilifeform but 'so close' in his own mind. [00:31]
* BingoBoingo notes that in most client software not handling leap seconds seems safe http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20150628132834 [00:32]
assbot Handling Leap Seconds the OpenBSD Way ... ( http://bit.ly/1D2iq4n ) [00:32]
mircea_popescu no, the thing they spent a trillion to build missiles and subs [00:32]
decimation there are three important periodic behaviours. the orbit of the earth about the sun, (lesser - moon about the earth), the rotation of the earth about its axis, and the vibration of cesium atoms. leap seconds syncronise earth's rotation with cesium. calendar synchronizes earth's rotation with its orbit [00:32]
BingoBoingo the only reason leap seconds are even a thing is because clocks have become more precise than the sun << No, it is because Sun and Cesium disagree [00:32]
asciilifeform decimation: vibrations of atom don't come with indices. nor do sunrises. [00:33]
asciilifeform is this such a difficult concept ? [00:33]
decimation nope, nor do years [00:33]
asciilifeform aha [00:33]
decimation it's not to me [00:33]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194235 << i really don't think that's the primary mission for it [00:33]
assbot Logged on 09-07-2015 01:34:14; asciilifeform: not from under the bed of the gurlz mircea_popescu picks up and pogopregnates [00:33]
funkenstein_ decimation, you miss the long cycle, but thanks for the distinction between leap second and leap year [00:34]
decimation yet, I can use cesium to predict sunrises and use sunrises to predict cesium [00:34]
asciilifeform i must confess that i'm not 100% clear on the primary mission. but did have the distinct impression that it involves making use of net jacks that don't have literate and attentive humans attached to them [00:34]
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mircea_popescu the idea was to make use of net jacks in people's houses [00:35]
mircea_popescu ~people~s. [00:35]
decimation if we were to ditch leap seconds, I would need to know the 'current delta' to predict cesium from sunrises and vice versa [00:35]
* BingoBoingo watches "Gladiator(2000)" for the first time. Damn the Nordic system sucks. [00:35]
mircea_popescu "so you'd like to learn more about bitcoin ? here's a pogo and here's a webpage, make it work" [00:35]
asciilifeform and what of cuckoldry ? [00:36]
asciilifeform ethernet jack in broom closet ? [00:36]
decimation "Step one: configure an accurate ntp server. if you don't know how to check the time, ask your parents" [00:36]
asciilifeform that's where $20 pogo really shines [00:36]
* asciilifeform head-desks [00:36]
decimation or alternatively "Step one: after booting, ensure the pogo has acquired accurate time" [00:37]
decimation asciilifeform does have a good point, it seems like a 'sealed system' would have a wider application [00:38]
asciilifeform the ~only~ advantage pogo has over pc [00:38]
asciilifeform is that you can stuff it in broom closet, camouflage with old bum rags, get on motorcycle and never see the place again. [00:38]
decimation better yet, build one in the shape of a power strip (with wifi) and install in local starbucks [00:39]
asciilifeform sorta like what aaron swartz went around doing before he was hanged [00:39]
asciilifeform decimation: no upnp in starbucks [00:40]
asciilifeform gotta have that external 8333 [00:40]
decimation yeah that's a major sticking point [00:40]
decimation upnp hardly works anywhere [00:40]
decimation other than as an orifice [00:40]
asciilifeform the most problematic aspect, possibly [00:40]
asciilifeform i suspect that perhaps 1 in 5 pogos will actually run [00:40]
asciilifeform solely on account of this [00:40]
decimation you might be able to hijack "STUN" servers meant for sip [00:42]
decimation but they might only tunnel udp [00:42]
asciilifeform lol, fat lot of good that does. [00:42]
BingoBoingo By argument via Hollywood /me has no idea how Romans beat Spartans to conquer Greece [00:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12812 @ 0.00056898 = 7.2898 BTC [-] [00:43]
decimation http://www.internetsociety.org/articles/interactive-connectivity-establishment [00:44]
assbot Interactive Connectivity Establishment | Internet Society ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cqdong ) [00:44]
decimation https://code.google.com/p/rfc5766-turn-server/ [00:44]
assbot rfc5766-turn-server - [00:44]
decimation ^ would create a choke point of course [00:44]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform as i said, this wasn't to my mind related to the p2p relay thing [00:44]
asciilifeform umm let's ~not~ tunnel through microshit ?? [00:44]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aha i know [00:45]
mircea_popescu we will never have enough of these to simply throw away either [00:45]
mircea_popescu you realise [00:45]
asciilifeform throw away, no [00:45]
mircea_popescu this is a $100 dollar gift, why make it to idiots. [00:45]
asciilifeform deploy in places where pc cannot work - yes [00:45]
mircea_popescu well, an item has the advantage that it can be used as it can be used, rather than as can be intended. [00:45]
asciilifeform also 'never say never' [00:46]
mircea_popescu but the idea throughout, at least in my head, was to have something to give new bloods [00:46]
asciilifeform at some point i ~will~ locate the pieces to make something like pogo en masse [00:46]
asciilifeform hell, 'hootoo' would be it right now if we could sit down in 32m. [00:47]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194264 << eh get out. [00:47]
assbot Logged on 09-07-2015 01:40:33; asciilifeform: this is realistic, because nothing but pogo will seriously fail if this were done [00:47]
asciilifeform i'll bite. what else will perma-wedge if usg clock moves 2h into the past for a day ? [00:48]
asciilifeform it can be passed off as 'botched daylight savings' in my locale [00:48]
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decimation bank, local merchant shop cash register, games, winblowz, local govt, etc [00:49]
asciilifeform winblows - reboot as always [00:49]
decimation and that's the unimportant shit [00:49]
asciilifeform merchant shop - fails every other day [00:49]
mircea_popescu decimation: what usg agency would perform this work domestically? asciilifeform:at&t. << top kek [00:49]
decimation what do trains, planes rely on? [00:49]
asciilifeform all of it is reparable because it customarily breaks every morning six times before breakfast [00:49]
asciilifeform like all of fiatworld [00:49]
asciilifeform esp on winblowz [00:49]
mircea_popescu you're moving your goalposts asciilifeform [00:50]
asciilifeform ? [00:50]
mircea_popescu yes the shop fails every other day. [00:50]
mircea_popescu it still would fail. [00:50]
asciilifeform btw this is not uncommon where i live [00:50]
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asciilifeform quite often 'creditcard machine ain't working today. but we dusted off this carbon paper and press...' [00:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8888 @ 0.00056898 = 5.0571 BTC [-] [00:51]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194389 << argentine govt does exactly same stupid failure mode bs [00:51]
assbot Logged on 09-07-2015 02:13:37; asciilifeform: the coasts are where usg hands out payola. [00:51]
asciilifeform at any rate, down in the log, i point out that it would be absolutely trivial to serve diddled ntp solely to known btc nodess. [00:51]
mircea_popescu borrows in europe, distributes loot to people in capital [00:51]
asciilifeform where else? in pampas, to the pampas cats? [00:52]
mircea_popescu why the fuck do these schmucks need as much as a cigarette butt ? [00:52]
mircea_popescu give it to the people going deeply inside. [00:52]
decimation I think "absolutely trivial" is a bit of an overstatement [00:52]
mircea_popescu that way you won't lose wars with fucking peri [00:52]
mircea_popescu peru* [00:52]
asciilifeform l0l! [00:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes. like the us did it back when it mattered. [00:52]
mircea_popescu 50 acres and a mule, if you swear to never go to town [00:52]
asciilifeform that was before monsanto and winblowz-traktor [00:53]
asciilifeform aha [00:53]
mircea_popescu they wanna be independent [00:53]
mircea_popescu and "patria doesn't give blowjobs" bs [00:53]
decimation those 50 acres are either owned by monsanto or abandoned today [00:53]
mircea_popescu one of the lulziest electroal slogans here (in the line of "podremos vivir mejor", of course) was... "hay mas futuro" [00:54]
BingoBoingo !up Vexual [00:54]
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mircea_popescu hipster country. [00:54]
mircea_popescu who the fuck even comes up with this shit. "there's future left" [00:54]
decimation sounds like an obamaism [00:54]
asciilifeform 'no there isn't' [00:54]
decimation "we are the ones we have been waiting for" [00:55]
decimation "things are getting better comrades" [00:55]
mircea_popescu "that's not the plumber in your mother's bedroom" [00:56]
mircea_popescu actually this could be a film. [00:56]
asciilifeform http://image1.thematicnews.com/uploads/topics/preview/00/01/24/91/a5825d35bb.jpg [00:56]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1D2jLbs ) [00:56]
decimation asciilifeform: what does it say? [00:59]
asciilifeform 'living's become better, living's become merrier' [00:59]
asciilifeform famously attributed to stalin circa '37 [00:59]
decimation heh yeah [01:00]
mircea_popescu well... keynesian logic. if consumption drives production then clearly the economy's never been ion a better shape [01:01]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194583 << would like to see this expanded if mircea_popescu has time. [01:02]
assbot Logged on 09-07-2015 03:21:46; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194169 << i didn't misunderstand it. i simply do not credit it at all, just like i don't credit that an object could be arbitrarily pink but shapeless. [01:02]
* asciilifeform bbl [01:04]
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BingoBoingo Fuck, in Gladiator (2000) there are plain tire tracks on the cravel roads [01:17]
gribble Error: "g" is not a valid command. [01:18]
BingoBoingo those 50 acres are either owned by monsanto or abandoned today << Please point me to 50 US acres that are truly abadon. No "owner" no renter, no Sheriff. [01:19]
BingoBoingo Especially the last point because sheriff usually enforces abadon remaining verboten [01:19]
BingoBoingo Vexual: More like lazy cinema [01:19]
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decimation BingoBoingo: there's plenty of 'wasteland' out west [01:24]
decimation but certainly has sheriff [01:24]
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BingoBoingo WHich is problem. Even if you shoot sheriff, there exists deputy [01:25]
funkenstein_ sheriff shows up sometime after you put something valuable there [01:25]
BingoBoingo funkenstein_: Nah, they don't want hippies, chase away merely warm bodies [01:26]
* funkenstein_ recalls being woken "can't sleep here" on various travels [01:27]
BingoBoingo Anecdotally Urban US squats safer than rural US squats [01:29]
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funkenstein_ read my mind; i was just going to ask about when will squat culture arise [01:29]
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BingoBoingo Squat conture arised in USia 60 years ago [01:35]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00057357 = 3.212 BTC [+] [01:36]
funkenstein_ somehow it appears stronger in continental europe [01:36]
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mircea_popescu thestringpuller yeawell... [12:51]
punkman http://openssl.org/news/secadv_20150709.txt [12:51]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MhYXSF ) [12:51]
asciilifeform punkman: lulziez! [12:53]
asciilifeform why is anyone using that thing again...? [12:53]
mircea_popescu because bitcoin uses it [12:55]
asciilifeform not the cert crud [12:55]
mircea_popescu people don't know. "openssl" right ? [12:55]
mircea_popescu "During certificate verification, OpenSSL (starting from version 1.0.1n and 1.0.2b) will attempt to find an alternative certificate chain if the first attempt to build such a chain fails. An error in the implementation of this logic can mean that an attacker could cause certain checks on untrusted certificates to be bypassed, such as the CA flag, enabling them to use a valid leaf certificate to act as a CA and "issue" [12:55]
mircea_popescu an invalid certificate." [12:55]
asciilifeform (though it's been a while since i looked at the turdation's tree - perhaps they do ?) [12:55]
mircea_popescu and yet, "we do not feel compelled to denounce the person who added this hole in our codebase, and call for a boycott from everyone on it against their sorry ass. because, fundamentally... it's us." [12:56]
asciilifeform who else. [12:57]
asciilifeform not martians, no. [12:57]
mircea_popescu "As per our previous announcements and our Release Strategy (https://www.openssl.org/about/releasestrat.html), support for OpenSSL versions 1.0.0 and 0.9.8 will cease on 31st December 2015. No security updates for these releases will be provided after that date. Users of these releases are advised to upgrade." [12:57]
mircea_popescu non sequitur prize of the year. [12:57]
mircea_popescu "we will stop deliberately adding holes to these versions aftyer this date, and you are please asked to upgrade because we won't be sending patches a quarter afterwards, either" [12:57]
mircea_popescu herp. [12:57]
mircea_popescu DO NOT EVER FUCKING UPGRADE ANYTHING. [12:57]
mircea_popescu that way, you won't need "security patches" in the first place. [12:58]
asciilifeform incidentally, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1191327 << this thread fell through the cracks, i think [12:58]
assbot Logged on 07-07-2015 17:37:15; trinque: https://security.gentoo.org/glsa/201507-04 [12:58]
asciilifeform relates. [12:58]
mircea_popescu you may be the only one here seriously following gentoo. [12:59]
asciilifeform it isn't a gentoo-specific thing [12:59]
asciilifeform unfortunately [12:59]
asciilifeform it is in ~EVERYTHING THAT USES UNICODE~ [12:59]
asciilifeform more or less. [12:59]
mircea_popescu guess that wasn't apparent. [13:00]
asciilifeform https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedrib/PoC/master/generic/i-c-u-fail.txt [13:00]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1fr1Kie ) [13:00]
asciilifeform ^ proof of concept [13:00]
asciilifeform or wait, no [13:01]
asciilifeform just the raw animal [13:01]
mircea_popescu Workaround There is no known workaround at this time. [13:01]
mircea_popescu yes there ios a known workaround. has been known since 1985. FUCK UNICODE. [13:01]
shinohai whelp I hve a pogo now. A blank canvas, if you will. [13:01]
mircea_popescu shinohai wd. follow danielpbarron's instructions [13:01]
* shinohai graciously thanks mats again ... [13:01]
mircea_popescu !rated mats [13:01]
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mircea_popescu !rate mats 2 http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/#comment-113478 ; helping people get pogos, stuff. [13:02]
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mircea_popescu !rated lobbes [13:03]
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mircea_popescu !rate lobbes 2 #eulora logs bot [13:03]
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shinohai I am sorry to report that I have not yet received an email from trilema with a deposit addy [13:03]
mircea_popescu !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.lobbes.2:81f948807d830af41e59c4726108dd6ddae1f995b52730f156735b2897c1a68b [13:03]
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mircea_popescu shinohai spam filters ? [13:03]
mircea_popescu !rated danielpbarron [13:03]
assbot You rated user danielpbarron on 29-Jul-2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: Logician in charge of logistics.. [13:03]
shinohai I dunno. I get the dev mailing list. [13:04]
shinohai but not trilema, and nothing in spam folder so i dunno :/ [13:04]
shinohai I could send to deedbot or something? [13:04]
mircea_popescu lemme send you an email now and we see. addy ? [13:05]
mircea_popescu (pm if you want) [13:05]
punkman https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJe3A19W8AA9DgO.png:large [13:07]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mi1Enb ) [13:07]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00055059 = 1.2113 BTC [+] [13:10]
mircea_popescu whassat punkman ? [13:10]
mircea_popescu the dram thing ? [13:11]
punkman javascript corrupting memory [13:11]
mircea_popescu http://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com.ar/2015/03/exploiting-dram-rowhammer-bug-to-gain.html [13:11]
assbot Project Zero: Exploiting the DRAM rowhammer bug to gain kernel privileges ... ( http://bit.ly/1fr43lp ) [13:11]
mircea_popescu for background [13:12]
* asciilifeform remembers very well [13:12]
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shinohai Not seeing my drive :/ [13:18]
asciilifeform shinohai: what are you running ? [13:18]
shinohai Busybox on pogo mount: mounting /dev/sda1 on /tmp/usb failed: Invalid argument [13:18]
asciilifeform what's on the drive ? [13:19]
shinohai nothing [13:19]
asciilifeform of course it won't mount [13:20]
asciilifeform gotta partition it [13:20]
punkman the "spam" is now up to 0.00034513 fee [13:20]
* shinohai checks [13:21]
shinohai Fer crissakes I forgot to partition fr. [13:22]
shinohai But it must wait until sfter lunch. [13:22]
shinohai *after [13:22]
mircea_popescu shinohai got email ? [13:32]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 0.00034513 * 270 [13:32]
gribble 0.0931851 [13:32]
mircea_popescu 10 cents, not bad. [13:32]
shinohai got email [13:33]
asciilifeform 'brother can you spare a dime' [13:35]
asciilifeform (tm) (r) [13:35]
decimation asciilifeform: www.ebay.com/itm/INBOARD-RTC-DS3232-Real-Time-Clock-and-Temperature-Sensor-I2C-BUS-PIC-AVR-ARM-/120841157983 < hi-spec part [13:39]
decimation unlike alot of the other rtcs, the crystal is on-chip and temp compensated [13:39]
mircea_popescu that's a spiffy clock. [13:40]
decimation my reading of the spec sheet is that combined aging and temperature stability (assuming 0-40C) would be about 8.5 ppm [13:40]
decimation which means about 4.5 minutes per year [13:40]
decimation for 10 years [13:40]
mircea_popescu yeah it's good for a decade, since we have ~2 hours to spare [13:40]
decimation likely, the cr1203 battery wouldn't last that log [13:40]
mircea_popescu you'd be surprised. those damned things... i've had one for a decade. [13:41]
asciilifeform i have a 15 yr-old one that's still going [13:41]
asciilifeform and i've had ones die after <5 [13:41]
decimation but as you can see it isn't cheap, the chip is about $9 in single quantity and about $4 in units of 1000 [13:41]
asciilifeform 'your mileage may vary' [13:41]
mircea_popescu yeah. like hdds : either dead in six months or good forever. [13:41]
mircea_popescu like humans, actually. either die as a youthful ape, or else get cancer, or else... age 150 [13:42]
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asciilifeform decimation: the thing you linked to costs more than pogo... [13:42]
decimation I know :( [13:42]
asciilifeform may as well suggest atomic [13:42]
shinohai I got a really old SATA with debian wheezy on it [13:43]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's still a very good clock by the looks of it. [13:43]
asciilifeform it is [13:43]
decimation unfortunately the really cheap ($1) rtcs available do not come with specs, it would be interesting to know what they are [13:43]
asciilifeform probably better than most pc mobos [13:43]
decimation yes, it certainly is [13:43]
mircea_popescu definitely. [13:43]
decimation also I'm not sure if pogo has i2c bus [13:44]
mircea_popescu iirc - no. [13:44]
asciilifeform l0l i think ~it~ is on my mobo [13:44]
asciilifeform the very same [13:44]
mircea_popescu maybe on the better ones [13:44]
asciilifeform highest end amd mobo of ~8 yrs ago [13:44]
decimation asciilifeform: you can configure ntp to ignore the network and use RTC [13:45]
mircea_popescu i don't expect technologee changed these much since the 90s [13:45]
asciilifeform decimation: what good does that do ? [13:45]
decimation you set rtc, usg doesn't set your clock? [13:45]
asciilifeform then why ntp [13:45]
mircea_popescu he doesn't want to set anything [13:45]
decimation to discipline the kernel timebase [13:45]
mircea_popescu he just wants things to do shit! [13:45]
decimation likely the rtc has a more stable clock than the 2ghz clock that runs your cpu [13:46]
asciilifeform decimation: and can't do this without a proggy that opens sockets ? [13:46]
asciilifeform why the fuck not ? [13:46]
mircea_popescu moar unpnp ? :D [13:46]
decimation well, the advantage that ntp brings is the long-term PLL that gently corrects [13:46]
decimation but you could periodically bang the clock [13:47]
asciilifeform decimation: i'd have bitcoind snarf time straight from the rtc chip [13:47]
asciilifeform why the ceremonies. [13:47]
decimation in the case of bitcoind that would work [13:47]
decimation for other applications moving the clock around might make them sad [13:47]
asciilifeform there are no other proggies on pogo [13:47]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you ready for the will/intelligence discussion ? [13:47]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: fire away [13:47]
* decimation back to mines [13:47]
scoopbot_revived Eulora News Bulletin of today. http://trilema.com/2015/eulora-news-bulletin-of-today/ [13:47]
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mircea_popescu me ? you're the one to fire. you proposed pink shapeless. [13:48]
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mircea_popescu o incidentally. that article ^ prolly interests you [13:48]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: well, the impression i get is that you think 'will' is a scalar [13:48]
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asciilifeform will is not a scalar. perelman has will, mircea_popescu has will, i have will, and napoleon had will, and comparing magnitudes alone is rank nonsense [13:52]
mircea_popescu but that's not where the problem lies. the problem lies at the spot where you propose there exists an "intelligence" that nevertheless does not have control of the processor. [13:53]
mircea_popescu if one is purportedly intelligent, how is it then that his brain does not work intelligently ? [13:53]
asciilifeform intelligence is 'car,' will is 'driver' [13:54]
mircea_popescu then intelligence is no sort of intelligence at all. [13:54]
mircea_popescu i dub it "derp" and rename your will intelligence. [13:54]
asciilifeform driver sans car sits and makes 'vroom, vroom' noises; car without driver - sits, rusts. [13:54]
mircea_popescu for this is the definition of intellectual faculty : the driver. [13:54]
mircea_popescu everything else, muscle power. [13:54]
mircea_popescu and yes, redditards are not necessarily unintelligent in the sense of derp. [13:56]
mircea_popescu they're actually very derpy. [13:56]
mircea_popescu problem is they're dumb as rocks, is all. [13:56]
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asciilifeform other thing is that the meat brain is not a von neumann machine, and has specific circuits for certain problems. it is possible to walk around with those damaged and others - functional [13:56]
mircea_popescu so is a guy paralised on half his body half an athlete ? [13:57]
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asciilifeform if he's an arm wrestling champ ! [13:57]
asciilifeform and has his working arm. [13:57]
mircea_popescu kinda why arm wrestling is not athletics :) [13:58]
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mircea_popescu in any case, weren't you bravely accusing ME of viewing things as scalars ? [13:58]
mircea_popescu how come they're now divisible with 2. [13:58]
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funkenstein_ there is a special space in the hilbert space of stupidity for those who think intelligence can be well described with a scalar [13:59]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: my contention was that you describe will as a spectrum, perhaps between 'spineless clerk' and 'napoleon' [13:59]
mircea_popescu i dun think i do. [13:59]
mircea_popescu there is an ennumerable list of people by their intelligence. this usually reduces to sorting them by score [14:00]
asciilifeform whereas i contend that it is possible to be 'napoleon' with theorems and 'spineless piece of shit' with girlz [14:00]
mircea_popescu and that score is how much money they have. [14:00]
asciilifeform or vice-versa [14:00]
mircea_popescu only if one WANTS TO [14:00]
funkenstein_ i have found fiat wealth correlates linearly with a broad integral of stupidity [14:00]
asciilifeform well that'd be a kind of perverse but technically correct definition of 'will' [14:00]
mircea_popescu "oh it can be the case i can lift rocks but not railroad metal" [14:00]
mircea_popescu rly. [14:00]
asciilifeform how strong is your 'want muscle' [14:00]
asciilifeform it's more of a 'i can lift rocks but not porcupines' [14:01]
mircea_popescu inasmuch as they both exist, they both exist. inasmuch as the one you're good at doesn't exist, you're basically wanking. [14:01]
* asciilifeform confused [14:01]
mircea_popescu the curse of existence is that it is approachable. just like a tool has its uses, irrespective of a maker's intention. [14:01]
mircea_popescu everything that is, is. which has some effects. [14:02]
asciilifeform which is the item mircea_popescu is describing as not existing? and which - not ? [14:02]
mircea_popescu i am doing no such thing. [14:02]
mircea_popescu i am merely pointing out that if both things you discuss exist, then both necessarily, by definition of existence, are approachable. [14:03]
mircea_popescu this is traditonally pointed out to the shy young male as "you know, even the lady of your heart farts" [14:03]
mircea_popescu or whatever, your hero also bleeds, there's a lengthy cultural history of this idealisation problem. [14:03]
asciilifeform proof of twin-primes conjecture is also 'approachable' by this token [14:04]
asciilifeform in that it is sitting 'there' to be dug up [14:04]
mircea_popescu only if it exists :) [14:04]
mircea_popescu which atm we do not know. [14:04]
asciilifeform it is possible that it does not exist [14:04]
mircea_popescu but if it does exist, then yes, it will necessarily be found eventually. [14:04]
asciilifeform better example - pluto [14:04]
asciilifeform we know where it sits [14:04]
asciilifeform come, get. [14:04]
mircea_popescu get what ? [14:04]
asciilifeform a piece of pluto. [14:04]
mircea_popescu so you are saying mining pluto is an impossibility. [14:05]
mircea_popescu and why not ceres ? she's just as big! [14:05]
mircea_popescu nobody ever thinks of ceres. [14:05]
asciilifeform not impossible, but not strictly a matter of 'wanting to' either [14:05]
mircea_popescu orly ? [14:05]
mircea_popescu and if it were the case the commercial value of piece of pluto ten times exceeded the commercial cost of sending miner ? [14:06]
mircea_popescu it'd be mined next week. [14:06]
mircea_popescu so no, we currently do not wish to, is all. [14:06]
asciilifeform this is logical, but for some reason this scenario did not play out re: bitcoin asics [14:06]
asciilifeform why? [14:06]
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mircea_popescu how do you mean ? [14:06]
asciilifeform (afaik, there are still no true asics!) [14:06]
mircea_popescu too low margins [14:07]
mircea_popescu do the math, sometime. a miner earns 0.2% or some shit. [14:07]
asciilifeform partly this is on account of using 'hardcopy fpga' [14:07]
mircea_popescu currently foundries are working on .9% [14:07]
asciilifeform which is 100% of what is presently sold as 'btcasic' [14:07]
mircea_popescu yeah [14:07]
mircea_popescu of course, sold != deployed, but the error isn't great. [14:08]
asciilifeform partly this is on account of the derpitude of keeping them all in a warehouse, rather than having chumps pay for power [14:08]
asciilifeform (as discussed in 2013 here) [14:08]
mircea_popescu they are kept in warehouse for same reasdon you want untouched pogo [14:08]
asciilifeform but that 0.2% is made of a long list of bad decisions [14:08]
mircea_popescu people have this fixed idea that getting others involved is the worst play. [14:08]
mircea_popescu it isn't the worst play, but hard to get the notion through. [14:08]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes. chief among them, a poor handling of cooperation. [14:09]
asciilifeform aha [14:09]
asciilifeform think of what just one backroom cocksucking deal with a major microcontroller maker to include hidden miner would have been worth. [14:09]
mircea_popescu ~nothing much [14:09]
asciilifeform what's the logic here? [14:10]
mircea_popescu hard to explain, but i will give the anecdotic. [14:10]
mircea_popescu i am not unaware of this possibility, yet i apparently discounted it, preferring a divergent approach. maybe i'm just that dumb. [14:10]
asciilifeform (that the hidden boojum would not stay hidden, is a no-brainer. idea would be to exploit the first-mover advantage, naturally) [14:11]
mircea_popescu shitty thing to build a life of. [14:11]
mircea_popescu you want last-mover advantage. if you can get it. [14:11]
asciilifeform life of miner is a life of a soldier, disposable, as mircea_popescu reminded us last night [14:11]
mircea_popescu what else has first mover advantage ? making a bitcoin foundation ? [14:11]
mircea_popescu they lost. [14:11]
asciilifeform l0l [14:11]
asciilifeform there is a whole array of strange things that miner builders do, which puzzle me greatly [14:12]
mircea_popescu o, wait, that schmucky chick. what was it, chamber of buttsex ? [14:12]
asciilifeform i'll name just one (because i am not in the business of handing out free advice to derpatronicists) - [14:12]
asciilifeform why the fuck does 'as much has as possible' have to be packed in one die ? [14:12]
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asciilifeform creates the heat nightmare [14:12]
mircea_popescu !up cosmo [14:12]
-assbot- You voiced cosmo for 30 minutes. [14:12]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform they're just going through the motions. they don't really know what they're doing, nobodyu sat dowqn and thought things through. [14:13]
asciilifeform and it isn't like ten dies would take up unpalatable floor space [14:13]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu has it [14:13]
mircea_popescu the packing thing is a result of the consumer electronics market [14:13]
mircea_popescu they don't understand that if you sell for yourself, and not to put in a desktop, you have diff engineering constraints [14:13]
asciilifeform so what i'm saying is, pluto is sitting there, made of priceless unobtainium, and schmucks are schmucking around [14:13]
mircea_popescu actually more floor space = better for a short interval at the place they're now. [14:13]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform and at some point, america teemed with fucktarded savages and nobody came to kill the males and rape the females. [14:14]
mircea_popescu sure, nobody did. [14:14]
mircea_popescu for... a little bit. [14:14]
mircea_popescu and ... nobody will ever again. [14:15]
mircea_popescu for... hm. for EVER AND EVER THIS TIME!!11 [14:15]
asciilifeform 8k years was 'a little bit' ? [14:15]
asciilifeform i suppose - geologically... [14:15]
mircea_popescu iirc the vikings did a little recuntissance [14:15]
asciilifeform recuntissance by fire (tm) [14:16]
asciilifeform back to the miners, i say that if money were the handy iq test mircea_popescu suggests it is, this kind of situation would be quite impossible. [14:19]
mircea_popescu funkenstein_ << that's basically the ideology of butthurt. [14:19]
mircea_popescu it is drastically unwise to imagine a certificate of intelligence as a sort of consolation prize. [14:19]
funkenstein_ the point at which Americas so teemed began in 1600 or so [14:19]
mircea_popescu that's what late empire matrons tell their effette offspring that just lost at the races to the hearty barbarians : "don [14:19]
mircea_popescu 't woprry honey, they're stupid" [14:19]
mircea_popescu they're not so stupid, and the measure of their superior intelligence is to be found in the joyous cries of the noble roman's girlfriend. [14:20]
funkenstein_ it's not a question of "don't worry" .. actually, we should be worried [14:20]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no. improbable, which all reality ever is. [14:20]
mircea_popescu not impossible, nor long of this world. [14:20]
asciilifeform there very much ~is~ such a thing as 'stupid and effective' [14:21]
asciilifeform such as the bacteria that eventually eat everybody's girlfriend [14:21]
mircea_popescu like how would that be ? [14:21]
asciilifeform (along with anyone else) [14:21]
mircea_popescu is gcd stupid but effective ? [14:21]
funkenstein_ the reason wealth is often correlated with dumb is probably similar to why gps ownership is correlated with poor navigation skills [14:21]
mircea_popescu funkenstein_ such as in sattelites and missiles ? [14:21]
mircea_popescu glwt. [14:21]
mircea_popescu i propose that gcd is one of the few smart things we know. [14:22]
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mircea_popescu it is smart enough to be the END of a class. [14:22]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: didja know that paul erdos had a story about these ? [14:22]
asciilifeform this class. [14:22]
mircea_popescu nope [14:22]
asciilifeform he liked to say that god had a book, containing the best possible proof of each theorem [14:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00054405 = 5.0053 BTC [-] [14:22]
asciilifeform highest compliment paul e. could give a colleague was to say 'this is from The Book' [14:23]
mircea_popescu ahaha not bad. [14:23]
asciilifeform hence 'end of a class' [14:23]
mircea_popescu makes sense, dunnit ? even without being jewish. [14:23]
asciilifeform it is actually a very rare thing [14:23]
asciilifeform (being able to prove that you can't do better runtime than particular algo, say) [14:23]
asciilifeform however, there are still interesting boojums: [14:24]
funkenstein_ see e.g. the god algorithm for cube solving [14:24]
asciilifeform romans could very well have 'proved' that their arithmetic is 'optimal' [14:24]
asciilifeform while being entirely wrong by our lights [14:25]
mircea_popescu even gods bite it eventually. [14:25]
asciilifeform because 'notation is worth 80 iq' [14:25]
asciilifeform ^ [14:25]
mircea_popescu kinda why i do not actually regret golden antiquity. [14:25]
mircea_popescu had a good run, but it did run its course. [14:25]
mircea_popescu and so it came to pass zeus eventually ran out of book. [14:25]
asciilifeform everybody eventually runs out of book. [14:26]
mircea_popescu for my curiosity, how'd such a roman proof look like ? [14:26]
mircea_popescu i don't readily see it. [14:26]
mircea_popescu (but this is perhaps the most obscure field of all scholarship - constructive cultural antrhopology, which is to say : construct FUTURE development of science on the basis and with the methods available in X context. [14:28]
mircea_popescu a superlative form of hermeneutics if you wish. certainly decent training exercise for the more advanced students. [14:28]
asciilifeform this is normally where 'alt history' storytellers fail, yes [14:28]
mircea_popescu ayup [14:28]
asciilifeform 'show me nazi internet' (mr mold) [14:29]
mircea_popescu even the most cursory effort to consider the matter sunks people like orlov. [14:29]
mircea_popescu it should be standard class in disinfo ministry, but hey. they're also saving these days. [14:29]
asciilifeform sometimes the 'construct future with past' thing gets taken up and run ragged, though. as in the case of 'square the circle with ruler and compass' problem that drove folks batshit until 19th c even. [14:30]
mircea_popescu aha. [14:30]
asciilifeform and there are still legions of crackpots trying to prove ftl with what they studied in school. [14:31]
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mircea_popescu where is that discussion with cads [14:31]
asciilifeform a maths prof informed me that until recently, it was customary to answer their letters. but not any more. [14:31]
mircea_popescu !s riemann [14:31]
assbot 1 results for 'riemann' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=riemann [14:31]
mircea_popescu hm [14:32]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/squares-do-morals-a-porno/#footnote_9_49613 [14:33]
assbot Squares do Morals. A Porno. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Toj2L7 ) [14:33]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: y'know, all kinds of folks spent whole lives 'lala i can't hear you' to cantor's diagonal. [14:36]
asciilifeform probably even now [14:36]
asciilifeform something about it pisses off certain types [14:36]
mircea_popescu aham. [14:36]
mircea_popescu anyway, re nazi internet : minitel [14:36]
asciilifeform probably not too far off! [14:36]
mircea_popescu mhm [14:37]
asciilifeform (twist: rewrite orwell's '1984' where 'minilove' is actually a dour and heavily bureaucratized network of official brothels.) [14:37]
mircea_popescu not bad idea. [14:38]
mircea_popescu like they have in indonesia / poor asia generally and it fascinated tarantino [14:38]
asciilifeform them. [14:38]
mircea_popescu ever seen the sexploitations in question ? women on cots, 500 to a hall, separated by hanging sheets ? [14:39]
asciilifeform didn't see alive, no. but who hasn't seen photos. [14:39]
asciilifeform sorta like an old military hospital [14:39]
* mircea_popescu visited one such thing, in costa rica. it is the closest i ever got to a medieval hospital. [14:39]
mircea_popescu ha! [14:39]
asciilifeform obvious mental association [14:39]
mircea_popescu sexploitation = a movie [14:39]
asciilifeform haven't seen, no [14:39]
* asciilifeform adds to list [14:40]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2012/women-in-cages/ [14:40]
assbot Women In Cages on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RmuYQ9 ) [14:40]
* assbot removes voice from cosmo [14:43]
asciilifeform 'Anyway, it is my considered opinion (along with, I wager, most everyone else's) that positively the ONLY way that's getting show to be inconsistent is by some intoxicated kids during having sex or somesuch. Everything else was tried to death.' (from mircea_popescu's www) <<<< 'ftl drive will be discovered by an ee student on the verge of flunking, designing stero amps.' (al schwartz) [14:44]
asciilifeform incidentally, for anyone who missed, gabriel_laddel found that schwartz is not only alive but cranking out nonstop commentary re: everything, largely on some godforsaken redditron [14:45]
asciilifeform might be time to attempt persuading him to visit, again. [14:46]
asciilifeform decimation: http://www.ebay.com/itm/High-Quality-IIC-Module-Real-Time-Clock-Memory-Module-For-Arduino-DS3231-AT24C32-/400932997447 << also temp-compensated ? [14:51]
assbot High Quality IIC Module Real Time Clock Memory Module for Arduino DS3231 AT24C32 | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1RmwFwO ) [14:51]
asciilifeform ~88 cent [14:51]
asciilifeform (plus battery) [14:52]
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asciilifeform what i wonder is where these are typically used. [14:56]
asciilifeform they are produced, and apparently sold, in vast quantities. [14:56]
asciilifeform clearly ~somebody~ isn't eager to use ntp for everything. [14:57]
asciilifeform where do these little modules go? toasters? time bombs in afghan ? [14:57]
decimation asciilifeform: yeah DS3231 is the older version of the same chip that doesn't have any onboard sram [15:01]
decimation would work fine [15:01]
decimation I think the 3231 is end of life, probably trying to ditch stock [15:02]
decimation asciilifeform: I think at least one use is utility meters [15:02]
decimation any case where you have a cheap sensor that you 'launch' [15:02]
asciilifeform sram could be useful, to keep 'last seeds' in or whatnot. but entirely luxury. [15:03]
decimation aye [15:03]
decimation oh they also use them in gps receivers [15:04]
decimation for 'cold start' [15:04]
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decimation yeah the ds3231 has the same spec for time performance [15:05]
asciilifeform and costs 18x less, l0l [15:06]
asciilifeform (than earlier link) [15:06]
decimation someone must be ditching stock [15:06]
asciilifeform like pogo.. [15:06]
decimation 'cause a 3231 costs like $4.50 from digikey in qty 1000 [15:07]
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asciilifeform ^ not including pcb, battery holder, etc [15:07]
asciilifeform xtal [15:07]
decimation no xtal is in chip [15:07]
asciilifeform ah hm. [15:07]
asciilifeform even so. [15:07]
decimation but yeah [15:07]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform exactly. [15:16]
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mircea_popescu yeah somebody with still a reddit acct plox ask scwhartz to come over. [15:18]
asciilifeform it wasn't reddit [15:19]
* asciilifeform digs in log [15:19]
danielpbarron discus [15:19]
mircea_popescu meh. [15:19]
mircea_popescu fucking discus. what the fuck is wrong with that guy. [15:19]
asciilifeform it [15:19]
mircea_popescu i mean of all the places... no wonder it took forever to find him. [15:19]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: he's a compulsive ant-stomper. went where the enviro-whiners congregate [15:19]
asciilifeform to apply his futile flamethrower [15:19]
asciilifeform every 15 min. or so, all day... [15:20]
asciilifeform i guess his isp finally stopped carrying usenet.. [15:20]
mircea_popescu he should be here, i'm sick of being the most lines. [15:20]
* asciilifeform sick of being 2nd-most-lines [15:20]
asciilifeform somebody oughta send him a link with b-a search string of his name, or whatnot [15:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00054405 = 4.842 BTC [+] [15:21]
mircea_popescu or the discussion of the apparatus [15:22]
asciilifeform definitely it. [15:23]
asciilifeform or gabriel_laddel going over his dozen favourite al essays [15:23]
asciilifeform or this thread! [15:23]
asciilifeform ferfuxxsake. [15:24]
asciilifeform come visit us, uncle al! we'll dine on adelberger's roasted ballsack and wash it down with lagavulin ! [15:25]
ag3nt_zer0 anyone seen this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SD5oMxbMcHM [15:25]
assbot The Act of Killing - Official Trailer (HD) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1SboL4C ) [15:25]
asciilifeform and while you're here, bring penny and anybody else still alive from mensa.talk.misc [15:25]
funkenstein_ i think i saw him on sci.physics.relativity a decade ago [15:27]
mircea_popescu ag3nt_zer0 youtube stopped working for me with some update or other. [15:27]
asciilifeform funkenstein_: he was all over sci.* a decade+ ago [15:28]
asciilifeform 1990-2004 or so [15:28]
asciilifeform http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal << www still up! [15:28]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1SboXRn ) [15:28]
asciilifeform no new essays for some years though [15:28]
mircea_popescu in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/0ff0aff9dffec8a9a978794148cd219e/tumblr_mjw7i4bmlm1qfaf1fo1_1280.jpg [15:29]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1SboYEI ) [15:29]
* asciilifeform recalls the ordeal of convincing mircea_popescu that al schwartz isn't a 'timecube' [15:29]
trinque ag3nt_zer0: I watched that last week. [15:29]
ag3nt_zer0 mircea_popescu: https://encrypted.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=video&cd=34&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCoQtwIwAzge&url=https%3A%2F%2Fvimeo.com%2F58004844&ei=pLyeVcuAEcm2ogSx-5rgBg&usg=AFQjCNH_j-TsYTnEvRDHiEZH3WbYMAwywg&sig2=JNwKq1S17c8cSu5k9ZR6sA&bvm=bv.96952980,d.cGU [15:29]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sbp5jL ) [15:29]
ag3nt_zer0 wtf sorry [15:29]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i am not even convinced yet. just, not particularly convinced of the contrapositive. [15:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00054499 = 3.1882 BTC [+] {2} [15:30]
mircea_popescu ag3nt_zer0 vimeo never worked. for some reason html5 standards are too hard for these schmucks [15:30]
mircea_popescu (that reason being, obviously, that they can't get to play their inept advertising with it) [15:30]
* asciilifeform convinced, but it took many years of actually working through the maths [15:30]
* asciilifeform does not expect anyone here to do this. [15:31]
ag3nt_zer0 mircea_popescu: well, it's called The Act Of Killing and you should look at it [15:31]
mircea_popescu maybe after teh war. [15:31]
asciilifeform after. [15:31]
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mircea_popescu ag3nt_zer0 can it be a text ? [15:31]
mircea_popescu i had no idea just how iconoclastic i actually am, before b-a [15:31]
ag3nt_zer0 mircea_popescu: a text? don't understand [15:32]
danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1195308 << https://disqus.com/home/discussion/neuroskeptic/could_travelling_waves_upset_cognitive_neuroscience/#comment-2127007121 [15:32]
assbot Logged on 09-07-2015 18:20:13; asciilifeform: or this thread! [15:32]
assbot Disqus - Could Travelling Waves Upset Cognitive Neuroscience? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sbpgvv ) [15:32]
mircea_popescu that film or whatever it is, does it have a script or some such textual equivalent ? [15:32]
ag3nt_zer0 trinque: what'd you think? fucking bizarre? [15:32]
ag3nt_zer0 mircea_popescu: no script... it's like nothing else I have seen - http://www.theactofkilling.com/ [15:34]
assbot The Act of Killing ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sbpkey ) [15:34]
trinque ag3nt_zer0: eh them recalling the days of murdering people... it seemed rather natural [15:34]
trinque having them reenact the events was a little strange, but what I was struck with was the matter-of-fact attitude they had towards the events, mostly [15:35]
funkenstein_ wait violence and killing in movies? what a novel idea [15:35]
trinque I figure I live a pretty padded life not knowing what that's like [15:35]
ag3nt_zer0 trinque: yeah, natural in a way... but the vibrant colors, the recreations, them watching the takes and commenting... the translations... fucking crazy [15:36]
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mircea_popescu "The government chose not to enact coercive measures, however, stating that the regulation of the online activities of children was up to parents, not the government. " << most important thing about minitel. [15:36]
trinque funkenstein_: docu has folks from kissinger's indonesian bloodletting reenacting and recounting their stories [15:36]
mircea_popescu i'd have much rather had french internet than ustardian internet. [15:36]
mircea_popescu !up mike_c_alt [15:36]
-assbot- You voiced mike_c_alt for 30 minutes. [15:36]
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ag3nt_zer0 I wasn't in the mood the first few times I started it, so I stopped... finally last night had the receptivity and it hit pretty good... [15:37]
mircea_popescu and generally, the world will be broadly a better place once the colonies get their voice turned down to the 1.6-2.2 they deserve. [15:37]
mircea_popescu there is no conceivable reason the combined cultural pull of us should exceed that of greece. they're about the same toilet. [15:37]
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trinque ag3nt_zer0: there's another along these lines, was pretty good [15:38]
trinque I'm trying to recall the name [15:38]
mike_c Sorry for part spam.. different client/computer than usual. [15:38]
trinque had 'nam vets and such talking about how they couldn't come back from war mentally because they liked war so much [15:39]
trinque wasn't the majority of them, but some felt that way [15:39]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: added mine, for what it's worth [15:39]
trinque the idea of a "warrior" seems foreign these days, I guess [15:39]
mircea_popescu mike_c how you doin' these days [15:40]
mike_c Who knows. I try not to think about it. [15:40]
mircea_popescu o.O [15:41]
mike_c way too busy! [15:41]
mircea_popescu sounds like you reached the age of cazalla [15:41]
trinque heh, I know that feeling [15:41]
mike_c got a couple of good blog posts coming up though that are half way done. [15:41]
mircea_popescu but experimentally, it seems to be a transient phase [15:41]
asciilifeform mike_c: good busy or bad busy [15:41]
mike_c bad busy. Time is sucked away on things that aren't worth it. [15:42]
mircea_popescu sucks. [15:42]
* asciilifeform is ^ much of the time [15:42]
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ag3nt_zer0 trinque: yeah I suppose... unless you have to sit through a multiculturalism focused education program in humboldt county run by marxism-hypnotized dykes... then noticing fruits of their labor in Silly Valley public ed... then start thinking warrior again [15:44]
ag3nt_zer0 haha it isnt even just under the surface [15:44]
mircea_popescu so argue them into the dirt. [15:45]
ag3nt_zer0 yeah working on it [15:45]
mircea_popescu fwif i'm a multiculturalism fan. [15:45]
ag3nt_zer0 why? [15:45]
mircea_popescu cuz i'm from central europe ? [15:46]
ag3nt_zer0 haha [15:46]
asciilifeform usa does nulliculturalism [15:46]
asciilifeform not multi [15:46]
mircea_popescu just because they sell shit under imported names in the us doesn't mean the originals are bad [15:46]
mircea_popescu it just means the us destroys everything it touches [15:46]
trinque asciilifeform: hey, they change the holiday aisle at walmart for cinco de mayo! [15:46]
ag3nt_zer0 I am a fan of apple because I live in silly valley [15:47]
mircea_popescu nah, doesn't reduce to that. central europe used to be run by a multicultural empire. [15:47]
mircea_popescu we did the funny naming conventions they used here before [15:47]
mircea_popescu !s cezaro-craiesc [15:47]
assbot 0 results for 'cezaro-craiesc' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cezaro-craiesc [15:47]
mircea_popescu no fucking way ?! [15:47]
asciilifeform !s царь-государь [15:48]
assbot 0 results for 'царь-государь' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%D1%86%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%8C-%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%8C [15:48]
ag3nt_zer0 mircea_popescu: multi-racial? or just multicult? [15:48]
asciilifeform ferfuxsake [15:48]
asciilifeform search is broken. [15:48]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i blame you and your antistemming policies. [15:48]
asciilifeform CAN HAZ GREP PLZ [15:48]
asciilifeform as in, exact same behaviour [15:48]
asciilifeform ? [15:48]
asciilifeform why does b-a search have to not be grep ? [15:48]
mircea_popescu ag3nt_zer0 let's put it this way : you couldn't as a middle class woman marry some douche who didn't speak multiple languages. because your parents wouldn't let you. [15:48]
mircea_popescu because that meant he is stupid. [15:49]
asciilifeform sorta like illiteracy today [15:50]
mircea_popescu quite like. [15:50]
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asciilifeform or iprogrammacy tomorrow [15:50]
mircea_popescu doubt that. [15:50]
* asciilifeform also doubts [15:50]
mircea_popescu but hopes ? lol [15:50]
asciilifeform but there once was this notion. [15:50]
trinque along those lines, I only just found naggum's hyperspec.el [15:50]
trinque let it be known that I resent having had to search the landfill for this shit [15:50]
ag3nt_zer0 I mean maybe we aren't speaking of the same thing... here, in US, multiculti is synonymous with "tolerance" and "diversity" and cultural relativism.... which translates to, in many cases, classrooms full of unruly mexican children claiming racism if you say that 2+2=4 [15:51]
asciilifeform trinque: i've spent years trying to pull naggum, uncle al schwartz, et al out of the landfill [15:51]
asciilifeform trinque: it is one of those things that has to be done. [15:51]
asciilifeform like the excavation of aristotle in the old days [15:51]
mircea_popescu and i bet you they told you all you needed to hear about gravity wells and whatnot. [15:51]
ag3nt_zer0 meanwhile, any good student, mexican, white, asian, whatever, is completely fucked and her education is retarded even more than it would be normally, just by virtue of the PE system... but this shit makes it so much worse [15:52]
asciilifeform gravity wells ? [15:52]
mircea_popescu what's pe ? [15:52]
asciilifeform public ed? [15:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know, can't leave disqus because that's where his discwot is. [15:52]
mircea_popescu aok [15:52]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: doubt it. he's switched 'discuses' a couplea times in the past few yrs, it looks like [15:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35257 @ 0.00054529 = 19.2253 BTC [+] {2} [15:53]
asciilifeform doesn't seem to have much positive to say re: the folks therein [15:53]
mircea_popescu yeah. and if us falls over how many folk will go to canada. [15:53]
trinque ag3nt_zer0: that reduces to "you should, as the teacher, be in charge of the fucking room." [15:53]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i think he plays a role similar to what hanbot once did on tardstalk [15:53]
asciilifeform but without any good reason to [15:53]
mircea_popescu he can not. for who is the employer [15:53]
mircea_popescu aha [15:53]
ag3nt_zer0 https://www.archive.org/stream/bugbearofliterac035352mbp/bugbearofliterac035352mbp_djvu.txt [15:54]
assbot Full text of "The_Bugbear_Of_Literacy" ... ( http://bit.ly/1SbqU04 ) [15:54]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194783 << zing. [15:54]
assbot Logged on 09-07-2015 08:41:10; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194359 so there should be plenty examples of usg diddling a traffic on the backbone, could you please post one? [15:54]
* asciilifeform answered that one... [15:54]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194806 << typically italian. [15:55]
assbot Logged on 09-07-2015 09:58:31; punkman: "Berlusconi, 78, will not have to serve the sentence as the statute of limitations expires later this year, well before a final ruling will have been reached on appeal." [15:55]
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asciilifeform mr b is probably closest thing southern europe has to a 'lizard' [15:56]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194820 << the reason he doesn't have the ~2 trillion required is EXACTLY that he would do this with it. and it's a stupid idea and it shouldt be done. in the general case, money works to limit the power of influencing the course of events people have, and gathers itself in the hands of those who ~SHOULD~ have most to say. [15:56]
assbot Logged on 09-07-2015 12:58:26; punkman: "I wish I had the money to setup enough miners myself to get 95% hashing power and just freaking fork already." [15:56]
mircea_popescu that's whgat it is. [15:56]
ag3nt_zer0 trinque: yes but these ridiculously reductionist tolerance ideas put into the heads of idiots just amounts to, as MP says something about in a blurb about professionalism on trilema, amateurs playing the racist card or what not... any number of limp-dicked excuses and diversions from what should be the teacher's right to maintain a fucking orderly environment [15:56]
trinque ag3nt_zer0: sounds kinda like men's rights [15:57]
trinque what I'm saying is if you were in power in the situation it wouldn't matter [15:57]
trinque the idea that a bunch of kids can overrule you is insane, aside from a fantasy [15:57]
asciilifeform re: market, see also, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193867 [15:57]
assbot Logged on 08-07-2015 21:17:35; ascii_field: one telling mark of a tard is that he is unwilling to consider that market's job is not only to supply folks with things, but to REFUSE to supply them [15:57]
asciilifeform imagine if 'reddit' folk actually had anything [15:57]
asciilifeform we still haven't recovered from their species having net connections [15:58]
mircea_popescu BitFury pool (~ 16% of hashrate) drops their max block size to 135 kB amidst large mempool backlog << check out all the gavin miner support. [15:58]
mircea_popescu they should have a vote! [15:59]
trinque haw! [15:59]
mircea_popescu make the block version be 81! [15:59]
mircea_popescu noi wait 42. 42 is the right version to have. [15:59]
kakobrekla BitFury pool < back to 974 [15:59]
asciilifeform maxint. [15:59]
kakobrekla kb [15:59]
mircea_popescu "You can't solve a problem of lack of bandwidth by higher fees for access. A system that is too bandwidth limited to serve it's users isn't fixed by making the service more expensive." [16:00]
mircea_popescu herp. [16:00]
mircea_popescu i gotta love idiots, srsly. if not me, then who. [16:00]
asciilifeform i wonder if any of them ever encountered phrase 'load shedding' [16:00]
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asciilifeform i bet they ~will~, but only when the words appear on their - final - electric bill. [16:00]
asciilifeform some time this decade. [16:00]
mircea_popescu mmmyeah. [16:01]
trinque ag3nt_zer0: to reword what I was saying, thinking in terms of rights means somebody else is in charge, doesn't it? [16:01]
mircea_popescu "bandwidth just comes from whining to dad, money has nothing to do with it. why should i get a summere job ??!?!?!" [16:01]
trinque whereas the problem you describe is one of *you* not being in charge [16:02]
asciilifeform in related newz, i sometimes go to a 'dry cleaner' shop. their price, unchanged for a decade+, has gone up 50%. it was actually part of the chain's name, and they have to put garbage bags over the neon signs... [16:02]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform two words from a pile of paper you yourself regard as disinfo ? [16:02]
ag3nt_zer0 trinque: to be fair, I was subbing last year, and so these were not "my" classrooms, but still, it is just so fucking degenerate man... but check this: even of it IS your classroom it can still be quite dufficult with these fucking democratically programmed idiots in charge [16:02]
asciilifeform 'inflation doesn't exist. if exists, doesn't matter. and fuckyou for asking' [16:02]
mircea_popescu very shitty answer, afl. [16:02]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: which pile [16:02]
trinque ag3nt_zer0: oh I know; I think it's too fucked to salvage [16:02]
mircea_popescu ferretsomething [16:03]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'hangout' != fiction [16:03]
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asciilifeform best hangout is to expose a genuine secret. just one that still 'works' fine after exposed. [16:03]
mircea_popescu that rope's gettin' tight. [16:03]
asciilifeform that cannon's still shootin'. [16:03]
mircea_popescu point out just one ? for love ? [16:03]
ag3nt_zer0 for instance, I just got a job teaching music at a school 2 days a week... so it's my own classroom. however, I have already been told that "we don't ever raise our voices here"... "we all go by our first names"... etc all this hippy slop [16:04]
ag3nt_zer0 and also "we use a program called "positive discipline".... [16:04]
trinque lol! [16:04]
ag3nt_zer0 so i resisted for a while, then finally looked it up thinkning "ok, I'll have a good go at it and backburner my cynicism" [16:05]
* asciilifeform bbl [16:05]
ag3nt_zer0 well gwt this fucking shit! [16:05]
trinque and when the child screams for another cupcake, you shall deliver it to him in no less than 15 seconds [16:05]
ag3nt_zer0 I looked it up [16:05]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194852 << this would be a massive win situation [16:05]
assbot Logged on 09-07-2015 14:50:35; asciilifeform: we launch the pogos, and suddenly 'ntp is obsolete, dontchaknow,' here is a new replacement by poettering, 85% consensus1111!!!1111!!! within weeks, plug pulled on ntp servers [16:05]
mircea_popescu sort-of like the "here's gavin's head on a plate, fuckwits. now what ?" [16:05]
ag3nt_zer0 and it turns out the entire thing was created by a guy who commited suicide in a hotel room after he was accused of molesting kids [16:05]
mircea_popescu ag3nt_zer0 so you told them that "maybe YOU do, miss derp, but I do not. anything else ?" [16:06]
mircea_popescu did you or didn't you ? [16:06]
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trinque really do have to be willing to fight people to keep any sanity in the states [16:06]
ag3nt_zer0 and trinque, this is a PARENT PARTICIPATION school... and none of these motherfuckers seem to know that their entire discipline system was created by this jack ass [16:06]
trinque so piss in all their cheerios or leave, mang [16:07]
trinque and/or [16:07]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194866 << zing. [16:07]
assbot Logged on 09-07-2015 14:54:36; jurov: if it is not specific, how it can be a cause? [16:07]
mircea_popescu i like jurov's logic machine. [16:07]
ag3nt_zer0 but I won't say anything till I make my money to travel the world next year... then when I quit I will mention that they should look into their shit a little more [16:07]
shinohai pogo is up mats o/ [16:07]
trinque ag3nt_zer0: hell I've written php for rent [16:07]
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mircea_popescu wd shinohai [16:07]
trinque the whole thing's coming down anyway [16:07]
trinque it's not like you're going to save that public school from itself and then that'll somehow mean the empire doesn't fall over anyway [16:08]
trinque sling php with abandon, I say, and study common lisp all evening and night [16:08]
ag3nt_zer0 mircea_popescu: the principal said that I have a choice... but it was just a sidelined statement really [16:08]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194889 << i also like his pincered skullcap :D [16:08]
assbot Logged on 09-07-2015 15:07:02; asciilifeform: can be attached to the gpio in pogo [16:08]
mircea_popescu ag3nt_zer0 looky here. nobody asked him anything. [16:08]
ag3nt_zer0 mircea_popescu: yes [16:09]
mircea_popescu you went to school, learned a trade, now youy're gonna aplly it. [16:09]
mircea_popescu they don't like it, they can call the union [16:09]
mircea_popescu you, of all the only people here, are in the best position. stop making up random excuses. [16:09]
mircea_popescu "i don't care how you do it. this is how i do it. get out of my classroom." [16:10]
ag3nt_zer0 mircea_popescu: yes, I still have to learn the ropes in these ways... don't fret, my inner psychopath is learning [16:10]
mircea_popescu nay! it stands for, "nobody asked you". [16:10]
trinque !b 1 [16:10]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1194905 << this can prolly be arranged, if we actually decide to humour this patent insanity [16:12]
assbot Logged on 09-07-2015 15:24:06; kakobrekla: i have a soldering station, but no pogos. [16:12]
mircea_popescu instead of just eating ntp shitsandwich [16:12]
mircea_popescu the life and times and the choices before us, good lord. [16:13]
ag3nt_zer0 my problem is that I get so fucking mad at these poseurs who have the nerve to claim that they carry the flame of knowledge to pass on to these kids... when all they are doing is trying to make themselves appear nice in their own mirrors [16:13]
mircea_popescu so tell them that. [16:14]
mircea_popescu if it makes you feel; any better, this is a traditional problem of teaching as practiced since that bismarck's invention of the "school" [16:14]
ag3nt_zer0 yeah... it's coming... just need to do it wisely [16:15]
mircea_popescu one kid unhappy with the other poseurs in the "cancelarie" of romanian schools cca 1980. maybe two. in each school. [16:15]
mircea_popescu 60s, same. [16:15]
mircea_popescu ;;google tovarasul profesor isoscel [16:15]
gribble Tamara Buciuceanu - Wikipedia: ; extemporal la dirigentie: profa de mate - scena 1 - YouTube: ; Tamara Buciuceanu - Actor - CineMagia.ro: [16:16]
ag3nt_zer0 thanks for the words of encouragement [16:17]
mats good to hear shinohai [16:21]
shinohai I have everything except a working static build of bitcoind [16:22]
trinque https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmZsstddULc&list=PL7M0G2a-TISfqmuk24assKLdQQz87lPzZ << great metal album [16:35]
assbot El Altar Del Dios Desconocido - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWBQOD ) [16:35]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24875 @ 0.00053783 = 13.3785 BTC [-] {2} [16:49]
asciilifeform http://www.businessinsider.com/heartbleed-fix-faw-openssl-hacking [16:50]
assbot Fresh 'high severity' security flaw found in OpenSSL - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1HQxeuj ) [16:50]
asciilifeform l0l re: 'team discovered' [16:50]
asciilifeform ~created~. [16:50]
decimation ;;later tell pete_dushenski There is no [16:50]
decimation USB support yet, which means that there is no local storage [16:50]
gribble The operation succeeded. [16:50]
decimation (no onboard CompactFlash). [16:50]
decimation ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/5.7/octeon/INSTALL.octeon < they claim that openbsd doesn't support usb storage [16:50]
gribble The operation succeeded. [16:50]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1HQxmKi ) [16:50]
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asciilifeform in other 'news,' my node has 44 connections [16:54]
asciilifeform afaik that's a new record. [16:54]
asciilifeform http://cryptome.org/2015/07/caspar-bowden-cpunks-1996-98.txt << unrelated, historical lulz [16:55]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWEqEm ) [16:55]
Naphex https://xotika.tv/static/munin/main/main/mbitcoin_transactions.html for the interested [16:56]
assbot Munin :: main :: main :: mbitcoin transactions ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWEqUO ) [16:56]
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shinohai 44 O.o [17:13]
danielpbarron !up opus8 [17:13]
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shinohai udev [17:15]
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trinque anybody recommend a decent web crawler/archiver? [17:17]
trinque I'm archiving things for the derpocalypse [17:17]
danielpbarron you mean like archive.is ? [17:17]
trinque nah a command line thinger I can toss a url or regexes at and have it duplicate the site locally [17:18]
punkman trinque: there is no hope [17:18]
trinque lol, at least it will give me something to read til the power goes out [17:19]
punkman wget can recurse a bit [17:20]
shinohai snapshill bot [17:21]
trinque shinohai: link? [17:23]
trinque https://github.com/justcool393/SnapshillBot << this? [17:23]
assbot justcool393/SnapshillBot · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWHW1j ) [17:23]
trinque has a bunch of shit regarding those archive sites in it [17:24]
shinohai https://www.reddit.com/r/SSBot.rss [17:24]
assbot SSBot: this subreddit is private ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWI1lE ) [17:24]
shinohai whelp thats dead [17:24]
trinque I'm just gonna bash script it up [17:24]
trinque regex match URLs, if it's from the same domain and not on disk, wget the shit [17:25]
trinque sounds easy [17:25]
punkman you'll be pulling your hair out soon enough [17:25]
trinque WHAT COULD GO WRONG [17:26]
trinque also keeping a running archive of my /usr/portage/distfiles [17:30]
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punkman trinque: http://www.httrack.com/ might be of interest [17:36]
assbot HTTrack Website Copier - Free Software Offline Browser (GNU GPL) ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWJM2i ) [17:36]
trinque punkman: sweet, it's in portage. ty [17:37]
trinque punkman: that thing works great. [17:49]
trinque did exactly what I wanted; sane defaults; a++++ [17:49]
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decimation asciilifeform: amusing thread re: Guido et.al. discussing how how exactly they should fuck somebody trying to just 'import pkg' https://mail.python.org/pipermail/import-sig/2012-March/000430.html [18:00]
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danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1174822 << that was me and juliatourianski_ at the "bitcoin free-roll" poker tourny at porcfest. We made it to the final table; she busted out on the bubble and I busted out right after that. Sold my 0.3 prize on the spot for 75 dollars (since USD is not so ironically the most liquid asset, even at a libertarian festival) [18:16]
assbot Logged on 25-06-2015 00:19:40; mircea_popescu: is blondy swallowing a casino chip ? [18:16]
mircea_popescu ic [18:17]
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danielpbarron related: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIhnfgZUcAEeEXG.jpg << b-a WoT group photo [18:18]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWQVzR ) [18:18]
mircea_popescu o hey, pretty cool [18:19]
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asciilifeform http://bgr.com/2015/07/08/hacking-tools-pita-encryption-keys-radio-waves << why is this ~2 yrs. plus-old project constantly in the nyooz [18:20]
assbot Hacking Tools: PITA uses radio waves to steal encryption keys | BGR ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWR4mK ) [18:20]
asciilifeform while interesting things - nowhere to be found [18:20]
danielpbarron that's julia, me, birdman, and rassah (in the group photo) [18:20]
asciilifeform rhetorical q. [18:20]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1195567 << what's wrong with 'wget -m' ??! [18:21]
assbot Logged on 09-07-2015 20:13:24; trinque: anybody recommend a decent web crawler/archiver? [18:21]
BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1195171 << Viking recuntissance in North America happened at a pre-Apocalyptic time. By the Anglo Arrival diseases brought by the Spanish had left North America post-apocolyptic [18:22]
assbot Logged on 09-07-2015 17:12:48; asciilifeform: recuntissance by fire (tm) [18:22]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 140 @ 0.07996427 = 11.195 BTC [+] {6} [18:24]
BingoBoingo Squanto was actual IRL implementation of a helpful NPC from Fallout [18:24]
decimation http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/wp/2015/07/09/hack-of-security-clearance-system-affected-21-5-million-people-federal-authorities-say/ "However, some U.S. officials caution against taking actions against foreign states when the cyber theft is conducted for traditional spying motives. The United States has not officially named China or the motive, but privately officials say it appears China was conducting a form of trad [18:25]
assbot Hack of security clearance system affected 21.5 million people, federal authorities say - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWRQ3f ) [18:25]
decimation wait wait let's not be too hasty here... [18:25]
asciilifeform Run Moar Winblowz! [18:25]
decimation heh [18:25]
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decimation I would like to see the moral reasoning that leads one to believe it is 'ok' to 'conduct traditional espionage' but not the kind that 'can benefit industry' [18:27]
decimation I guess it's roughly the same logic that leads one to conqueror Iraq (or Afghanistan) and then pretend that extracting tribute is immoral [18:28]
mircea_popescu the only scandal here is that 21.5 mn people worked for the government. [18:28]
asciilifeform decimation: there is an official usg fiction that dirt lifted from 'airbus' isn't passed straight to 'boeing', etc [18:28]
mircea_popescu really, this should be in the constitution : not more than one person per million. [18:28]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: try 300 mn [18:28]
mircea_popescu !up Xemist [18:29]
-assbot- You voiced Xemist for 30 minutes. [18:29]
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mircea_popescu Xemist you wouldn't be al would you ? [18:29]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the funny part is that there are various limits, in fact, because actual civil servant gets pension, health cover, holidays, statutorily [18:29]
mircea_popescu decimation i like that the only thing said there is "we like china cock - so delishious!!1" [18:29]
asciilifeform so when i worked in an army lab, it was 1 actual usg 'green badge' for 25-30 'purples' [18:29]
asciilifeform (the latter - us, coolies - contractors) [18:29]
BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1195302 << http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ Between asciilifeform and ascii_field actually most lines past 7 and 30 days [18:30]
assbot Logged on 09-07-2015 18:17:05; *: asciilifeform sick of being 2nd-most-lines [18:30]
assbot #bitcoin-assets stats ... ( http://bit.ly/1gqTuPn ) [18:30]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: damn, that's even worse [18:30]
mircea_popescu get a lyf alf! [18:30]
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decimation mircea_popescu: it was more like "what china is doing is okay because we do it too!" [18:31]
asciilifeform 'Not every spy’s data is in the system. The CIA conducts its own security clearance investigations and keeps that data to itself. Even so, some U.S. officials have said that a foreign spy service might be able to identify U.S. intelligence operatives by comparing stolen OPM records with rosters of U.S. personnel at embassies overseas.' [18:31]
asciilifeform ^ trivial. if fella works at embassy and ~isn't~ in the list, he's cia [18:31]
mircea_popescu decimation not at all. [18:32]
mircea_popescu it was, literally, "we like this kind of rape - the guy is strong enough." [18:32]
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asciilifeform hey, the mega-cunt left vacant by su had to be filled [18:35]
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asciilifeform cn fills it, if you also add a few pillows [18:36]
mircea_popescu i dun follow. [18:36]
mircea_popescu all i see here is, the usg is no longer a virgin. today, china raped them and they thanked it for the service. [18:36]
mircea_popescu tomorrow, i rape them, and they give me a congressional medal of honor for it. [18:36]
mircea_popescu either before that tomorrow or after that tomorrow, some arab kids too. [18:36]
asciilifeform the 'thanking' is not wholly stockholm syndrome, but is used to justify giving every other printed usd to the .mil contractors [18:37]
asciilifeform (the favourite sons) [18:37]
decimation ^ [18:37]
asciilifeform which recently pioneered mega-innovations like switching to wholly-imaginary, rather than merely underpowered, airplanes [18:38]
mircea_popescu doesn't matter WHY she claims to have liked it. [18:38]
asciilifeform 'cybers33k0000rity' systems which actually spread crapware [18:38]
asciilifeform etc [18:38]
decimation mircea_popescu: sure it does, if she has a strap-on and another 300 men lined up [18:38]
mircea_popescu obviously it was for the children [18:38]
mircea_popescu whateverfor else [18:38]
decimation actually I predict this event will mark a turning point for usg [18:39]
asciilifeform how? [18:39]
decimation because now even the little kids growing up today will know what they are signing up for if they work for usg [18:39]
asciilifeform decimation: and in vietnam war they didn't ? [18:40]
decimation that didn't affect folks who just pushed paper [18:40]
asciilifeform so far i don't see any 'affect' [18:40]
decimation now even the janitors have to worry [18:40]
* asciilifeform looks out window for chinese gasenwagen rounding up folks on list [18:40]
* asciilifeform doesn't see one [18:40]
decimation well, if they are smart they will be a bit more subtle than that, but it's a fair point [18:41]
asciilifeform this is precisely what the pencilpushers mean by 'standard traditional intelligence gathering' [18:41]
asciilifeform it means 'business as usual', no gassings [18:41]
asciilifeform 'they have list' - 'we have list' [18:41]
asciilifeform 'parity' [18:41]
asciilifeform 'nothing happens, your bills are still due' [18:41]
mircea_popescu isn't asciilifeform cute :D [18:42]
decimation asciilifeform: the irony is that cn govt and us govt know what is going on, but the average usian voter is kept in the dark [18:42]
mircea_popescu what parity ? [18:42]
asciilifeform http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2015/07/08/map-how-much-100-is-really-worth-in-every-state-2 << now check out new low of loathsome garbage [18:42]
assbot Map: How much $100 is really worth in every state - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1gqUrqP ) [18:42]
mircea_popescu who exactly has the chinese lists ? [18:42]
mircea_popescu what on EARTH are you talking about ? [18:42]
mircea_popescu the us doesn't even have a fgucking missile spec sheet. [18:42]
asciilifeform (^ it is very plain that they disregarded real estate) [18:42]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: Official Truth is that all cn rockets are still run on asymmetric hydrazine [18:43]
asciilifeform and take ~20h to fill up [18:43]
mircea_popescu sigh. [18:43]
asciilifeform as designed by korolev. [18:43]
asciilifeform in '59 [18:43]
decimation "The RPPs are calculated using price quotes for a wide array of items from the CPI, which are aggregated into broader expenditure categories (such as food, transportation, or education)1. Data on rents are obtained separately from the Census Bureau's American Community Survey (ACS). The expenditure weights for each category are constructed using CPI expenditure weights, BEA's Personal Consumption Expenditures, and ACS rents expenditur [18:46]
asciilifeform fact is, there are 20k usd houses and same building elsewhere for 2mil. [18:47]
decimation yeah, well virginia is especially lulzy [18:47]
asciilifeform and you would not ever guess this fact, from the linked chart. [18:47]
decimation as if the vast collection of trailer parks 'downstate' makes up for the $mil condos in arlington [18:47]
asciilifeform because its entire purpose is to throw smoke on it. [18:47]
decimation you would end up with that chart I posted yesterday, which shows that 10 counties 'own' the majority of us real estate wealth [18:48]
asciilifeform own?! [18:49]
asciilifeform l0l [18:49]
asciilifeform get fleeced, rather [18:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75521 @ 0.0005334 = 40.2829 BTC [-] {3} [18:49]
asciilifeform by bank first, by tax collectors - perpetually [18:49]
decimation yeah, good point. the vast majority of the 'real estate wealth' I just mentioned is actually notional value on some bank's loan sheet [18:49]
trinque asciilifeform: this thing punkman linked lets me feed it regexes of interesting stuff to look for [18:49]
asciilifeform trinque: neat [18:50]
asciilifeform could use wget+perl [18:50]
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trinque yeah that would work [18:50]
decimation anyway, the net effect of this 'govt secrecy' racket seems to be to keep secrets from usians, not from foreign spies [18:50]
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asciilifeform in other newz, uncle al was smart. emailed me at my consulting co. to see if comment was from an actual human [18:51]
asciilifeform let's see if he remembers how to pgp [18:51]
mircea_popescu win. [18:52]
pete_dushenski decimation i continue to confuse the bsd's... for the edgerouter, i used freebsd as well ! [18:53]
decimation ah that explains it then [18:53]
asciilifeform from thread on www: '"8^>) I'll stop by as soon as I push back some alligators.' [18:54]
pete_dushenski ayup. i can't seem to keep them straight. [18:54]
asciilifeform danielpbarron ^ [18:54]
asciilifeform see thread [18:54]
pete_dushenski decimation mebbe if i knew wtf the difference was, i'd be of more use to others [18:54]
danielpbarron neato, and in "other news" https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJgOvqFUwAAzEKy.jpg [18:56]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1gqVlUl ) [18:56]
punkman http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-07-09/market-complexity-broke-the-nyse-before-saving-it [18:56]
scoopbot_revived Female Trouble http://trilema.com/2015/female-trouble/ [18:56]
assbot Market Complexity Broke the NYSE Before Saving It - Bloomberg View ... ( http://bit.ly/1gqVkjc ) [18:56]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron lmao you are there are you ? [18:58]
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danielpbarron i wish, i suppose [19:00]
decimation https://www.mail-archive.com/misc@openbsd.org/msg138968.html < ah well then I am pleased to annouce that apparently openbsd will be supporting oceton usb in the very near future [19:00]
assbot Re: NetBSD has now support for USB on EdgeRouter Lite ... ( http://bit.ly/1gqVxD1 ) [19:00]
decimation at least, that's what I got out of that email [19:00]
asciilifeform if i were setting that thing up ~today~, i'd probably roll a 'buildroot' linux for it [19:01]
asciilifeform because to hell with having items that aren't in constant required use, in there. [19:01]
decimation asciilifeform: would you include binary driver turd? [19:01]
asciilifeform at all. [19:01]
asciilifeform decimation: why'd i do that [19:01]
decimation hehe [19:01]
decimation performance? [19:02]
asciilifeform it performs now. [19:02]
asciilifeform sans turds [19:02]
pete_dushenski o hey bloombergview figured out footnotes. they're catching on to the style, those nooz types, next is qntra-level content. [19:02]
asciilifeform 100% uptime since plugged in, early february [19:02]
decimation so is there an open source replacement for that driver then? [19:02]
asciilifeform never once coughed, sputtered [19:02]
asciilifeform decimation: there is not. [19:02]
asciilifeform it is running without the weird acceleration crap [19:02]
decimation well, there must be some level of 'basic functionality' the eth device supplies without it [19:03]
asciilifeform aha, like other chipsets [19:03]
asciilifeform it moves packets fast enough to keep up with my rotating disks [19:03]
asciilifeform i fail to see why i would need them to move any faster. [19:03]
trinque heh so far ate moldbug and uncle al's sites [19:03]
trinque trilema and loper I expect to be able to get via hamsterwheel shortwave gossipd someday [19:04]
danielpbarron trinque, is this a good candidate for archival? -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3;sa=showPosts;start=0 [19:05]
assbot Latest posts of: satoshi ... ( http://bit.ly/1ToGJmx ) [19:05]
asciilifeform trinque: if you need my site for anything, it's there [19:05]
asciilifeform no paywall [19:05]
mircea_popescu nice uptime. [19:05]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it's plugged into a massive ups [19:05]
trinque danielpbarron: the whole forum? [19:06]
asciilifeform (along with everything else that is worth anything) [19:06]
mircea_popescu aha [19:06]
danielpbarron i lost my nearly 4 month uptime on my pogos when a tree took the power out yesterday afternoon :/ [19:06]
danielpbarron trinque, just satoshi's posts [19:06]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: there is a dead-tree book containing 'satoshi's posts' [19:06]
asciilifeform i have it. has some extraneous garbage, but appears to actually contain... satoshi's complete posts [19:06]
danielpbarron is published somewhere? [19:07]
* danielpbarron will go, buy. [19:07]
asciilifeform http://www.bookofsatoshi.com [19:07]
assbot The Book of Satoshi ... ( http://bit.ly/1gqVV4n ) [19:07]
asciilifeform download for phree [19:07]
trinque call me paranoid, but yeah, I'm stockpiling information from now on. [19:07]
asciilifeform buy if you like dead tree [19:07]
pete_dushenski "Overall, the fact that the rise of top incomes has been much greater in certain sectors, such as finance, and among senior executives is more consistent with a pattern of rent (excess earnings relative to market-determined earnings) creation and extraction specific to those sectors than with a competitive market for skills." << because "market" is now synonymous with "fair". donchaknow. [19:07]
asciilifeform someone here might have told me that the fella who put that book together later turned sc4mz0r somehow [19:07]
trinque pete_dushenski: god.. the "fair market" is ripe for use as a propaganda term on their end [19:08]
pete_dushenski and because "competition" means worse people getting more shit free ! [19:08]
pete_dushenski trinque seems to be moving that way [19:08]
pete_dushenski another word for socialists to reappropriate [19:08]
pete_dushenski because "the market doesn't work unless we make it work" [19:09]
mircea_popescu you generally know who the retards wish to be by looking whose words they try to misuse. [19:09]
pete_dushenski fascinating hubris, these guys. [19:09]
mircea_popescu currently, all signs point to... us. [19:09]
pete_dushenski 'all roads lead to rome' [19:10]
pete_dushenski or venice, as the case may be. [19:10]
danielpbarron asciilifeform, aha the forward of the book is by berwick, the galt's gulch guy who got a write up in trilema [19:11]
asciilifeform what part of the linked text is false ? [19:11]
asciilifeform gonna tell me that the folks who service the money printers are paid 'for unique skills' rather than 'because who will stop them from taking every other bucket home' ? [19:12]
mircea_popescu in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/be78def1cabf80ec440a73edf5dbbd7b/tumblr_n9svk1RoIs1s6dk4zo1_500.jpg [19:13]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1gqWfjD ) [19:13]
asciilifeform is that even female. [19:13]
mircea_popescu sexist. [19:13]
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cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1195371 <<< what can i say other than the longer i am sober the more inclined i am to head outside than sit here on pc [19:15]
assbot Logged on 09-07-2015 18:37:52; mircea_popescu: sounds like you reached the age of cazalla [19:16]
* trinque is slurping naggum posts from here http://xach.com/naggum/articles/ [19:16]
assbot Erik Naggum comp.lang.lisp archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1gqWpaQ ) [19:16]
asciilifeform trinque: have you tried emailing xach for a copy of the archive and very spiffy browsing scripts ? [19:16]
asciilifeform that'd be the real deal [19:16]
asciilifeform incidentally, he's - as fas as i can tell - an actual person and probably would belong here. [19:17]
trinque I have not; could do that, yeah [19:18]
trinque would be great to grab all these http://www.xach.com/naggum/books/ [19:20]
assbot The Erik Naggum Bookshelf ... ( http://bit.ly/1gqWICs ) [19:20]
asciilifeform trinque: your stockpile probably isn't complete without a stack of 'mitsui' gold-reflector cd burns [19:20]
asciilifeform trinque: i bid on some of those [19:20]
asciilifeform the coveted ansi standard, in particular [19:21]
trinque baby-archivist steps so far, but I was looking at tape archive systems earlier :p [19:21]
asciilifeform it was gone seemingly minutes after he died [19:21]
asciilifeform never had a chance [19:21]
asciilifeform (the pdf you get if you're an idiot and pay ansi $20, or on warez - same, is an almost unreadable scan) [19:21]
asciilifeform i have wanted that thing for years. but i;m not paying usg 500 for a book [19:22]
asciilifeform esp. since i have it on good authority that they've been laser-printing that pdf [19:22]
asciilifeform for anyone dumb enough to pay [19:22]
trinque lol [19:23]
asciilifeform waitasec [19:24]
asciilifeform those aren't naggum's books! [19:24]
asciilifeform scam! [19:24]
asciilifeform fucktonnes of garbage [19:24]
trinque orly [19:25]
asciilifeform and i ~remember~ the list from his estate sale [19:25]
trinque yeah "adobe flex for dummies" lol?! [19:25]
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trinque I dunno, maybe this included the basement books [19:26]
trinque heh osu has throttled me for pulling too many distfiles from them [19:26]
asciilifeform original was at http://www.flownet.com/ron/Cat_Naggum.06.10.pdf [19:27]
asciilifeform but long gone [19:27]
assbot 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1gqX9wI ) [19:27]
asciilifeform it did not have garbage. [19:27]
asciilifeform http://www.xach.com/naggum/books/catalog.pdf << here we go [19:28]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1gqXdfI ) [19:28]
asciilifeform notice, none of the american pablum [19:29]
asciilifeform and none of the microshit [19:29]
asciilifeform how those got in the other list, i do not know [19:29]
trinque cool, ty [19:30]
asciilifeform about to post a de-pdf'd version [19:31]
asciilifeform trinque: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/naggums_library.txt [19:33]
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trinque nice [19:34]
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trinque deedbot- http://www.loper-os.org/pub/naggums_library.txt [19:34]
deedbot- Bad URL or network outage. [19:34]
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trinque derp [19:34]
trinque not signed [19:34]
asciilifeform 1sec [19:34]
asciilifeform try now [19:36]
trinque deedbot- http://www.loper-os.org/pub/naggums_library.txt [19:36]
deedbot- rejected: 1 [19:36]
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asciilifeform dafuq [19:36]
trinque bwah? [19:36]
asciilifeform i motherfucking signed it [19:36]
trinque yeh, I'll figure it out [19:36]
asciilifeform wtf did that ~other~ list come from [19:38]
danielpbarron idk if anyone else had tried this already, but I sent some bitcoin to an address created by 0.5.3.1-beta on my pogo, and I think I have successfully sent it all back out but bc.i doesn't want to admit my transaction exists yet [19:38]
asciilifeform it made me want to throw up [19:38]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: when carrying out this experiment, please remember that pogo HAS NO RNG [19:38]
kakobrekla yet [19:39]
danielpbarron i sent in 0.001 and sent out 0.0005 with a 0.0005 fee [19:39]
kakobrekla we will be bolting it on shorty. [19:39]
kakobrekla lulz [19:39]
trinque http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/c/cd/Locutus_complexion_drain.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130214005126&path-prefix=en [19:39]
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danielpbarron also, BingoBoingo's proposed change to 0.001 of the minrelayfee is very handy for keeping pogo synced [19:41]
asciilifeform ^^ i dare to suggest that the patch be considered by therealbitcoin ^^ [19:42]
trinque this python-gnupg is a motherfucking piece of shit [19:42]
danielpbarron was formerly a dozen or so blocks behind, after restart with new setting, almost fully synced in half an hour [19:42]
asciilifeform sure is! [19:42]
danielpbarron no patch necessary; it's a config option [19:42]
trinque like... I'm just going to shell out to the gpg binary [19:45]
trinque ENOUGH. [19:45]
asciilifeform trinque: know that gpg was built just like this. [19:47]
asciilifeform like gcc was [19:47]
asciilifeform doesn't 'libraryize' at all - by design. [19:47]
asciilifeform i imagine this was done for similar reasons as for gcc. [19:47]
BingoBoingo ^^ i dare to suggest that the patch be considered by therealbitcoin ^^ << This is a bitcoin.conf option [19:52]
decimation http://www.ebay.com/itm/Datum-Symmetricom-BC635PCI-U-PCI-Time-and-Frequency-Card-BC635PCI-QTY-Avail-/161733020476 < for folks wishing to create their own usg-free ntp server [19:55]
assbot Datum Symmetricom BC635PCI U PCI Time and Frequency Card BC635PCI Qty Avail | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1ToLWe6 ) [19:55]
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decimation appears to have onboard ocxo, which the datasheet claims 5e-8 stability - about +/- 1.5 seconds per year [20:00]
jurov ..at 25 +/- 0.1 C , no? [20:02]
assbot You rated user jurov on 24-Apr-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: A dili-, intelli-, gent.. [20:03]
jurov lol my name's day here [20:03]
assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/4b856e57905757bc [20:04]
assbot Successfully updated the rating for jurov from 1 to 3 with note: A dili-, intelli-, gent. Eulora copper merchant extraordinaire. [20:05]
jurov meh. not exactly cutting my own throat [20:06]
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ben_vulpes GOOD AFTERNOON [20:13]
BingoBoingo Oh United Nuclear has graduated to selling metallic Uranium in quantity https://unitednuclear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_8&products_id=1078&zenid=b7a1b3d5deedd67923024b5154d3d3ea [20:15]
assbot Uranium Metal, large samples : United Nuclear , Scientific Equipment & Supplies ... ( http://bit.ly/1CsMVpi ) [20:15]
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asciilifeform decimation: what's that thing do [20:20]
asciilifeform decimation: i don't see anything oven-like [20:20]
asciilifeform or large enough to be a ru oscillato [20:20]
asciilifeform r [20:20]
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BingoBoingo ^ [20:25]
asciilifeform http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Cesium-Beam-Frequency-Standard-5061A/151274829277 << cheap! [20:25]
assbot HP Cesium Beam Frequency Standard 5061A | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1ToP1Ln ) [20:25]
asciilifeform less than my computer, even [20:26]
asciilifeform http://www.nist.gov/pml/div688/grp50/primary-frequency-standards.cfm << illustration for n00bs, of usg's cesium fountain [20:27]
assbot primary frequency standards ... ( http://bit.ly/1ToPahF ) [20:27]
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asciilifeform iirc the tube's good for about a decade [20:39]
asciilifeform so probably not such a deal after all. [20:39]
asciilifeform http://www.ieee-uffc.org/main/history-atomichron.asp << historical [20:43]
assbot IEEE UFFC | History | Atomichron: The Atomic Clock from Concept to Commercial Product ... ( http://bit.ly/1ToQzVJ ) [20:43]
trinque asciilifeform: the text of that message silently crashes or hangs python when **printed!!** [20:44]
asciilifeform 'Though the instrument spoke well for itself, National continued its promotional efforts. These were misplaced, for there was in those early years no commercial market. Ninety percent of those first fifty Atomichrons were purchased by military agencies for their own installations and for loan to other government facilities, university-operated military laboratories, and university laboratories. The other 10 percent were purcha [20:44]
asciilifeform sed by other U.S. and foreign government agencies. Apart from their evident utility as frequency standards in laboratories engaged in research in that field, or responsible for the maintenance and transmission of standard frequency and time signals, there was at first no well-established application for these instruments. ' [20:44]
asciilifeform trinque: wai wat [20:44]
asciilifeform which messag [20:45]
trinque also cannot copy/paste and reupload to dpaste. dpaste gives me a blank screen after POST [20:45]
trinque asciilifeform: naggum's lib on your server [20:45]
asciilifeform dpaste gave me a 'too long' [20:45]
trinque I just grabbed it with requests *and* verified it with the gnupg turd by hand [20:45]
asciilifeform trinque: can you get me any output from the crash ? [20:45]
trinque it doesn't say shit, but trying, yeah [20:45]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00053037 = 3.7391 BTC [-] [20:50]
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* asciilifeform realizes with horror that he owns perhaps 90% of the titles in naggum's library list [20:54]
asciilifeform if not more [20:54]
mats u r naggum [20:57]
asciilifeform not dead of colitis yet... [20:57]
asciilifeform i suppose when i end up with ~all~ the bookz - then. [20:57]
trinque deedbot- http://www.loper-os.org/pub/naggums_library.txt [20:58]
deedbot- accepted: 1 [20:58]
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asciilifeform trinque: so what was that about [20:58]
trinque solution being... use less python [20:58]
trinque asciilifeform: dunno, python was choking on the string silently; maybe I'll investigate more later [20:59]
asciilifeform python 2 or 3 ? [20:59]
trinque as for now, I made curl and gpg kiss via the shell (quoted of course) [20:59]
trinque python 2 [20:59]
asciilifeform iirc 2 chokes on just about anything other than straight ascii [20:59]
asciilifeform guess there was a uniturd in there, somewhere [20:59]
asciilifeform probably the norwegian titles [20:59]
trinque towards the end, yeah [20:59]
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trinque and I'll be curious at 5:15 whether it shits something verifiable on deedbot.org [21:01]
trinque for now, I depart [21:01]
asciilifeform later. [21:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19392 @ 0.00052413 = 10.1639 BTC [-] {2} [21:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60508 @ 0.00051431 = 31.1199 BTC [-] [21:04]
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whaack I'm working on installing the eulora client on mac, and I have two questions [21:14]
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whaack (1) When you unzip the tar you get a directory with Eulora, data-cs, and a readme. Do you want people installing the game to remove the data-cs and readme and rename the "Eulora" directory to eulora-src? [21:16]
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whaack If not, it seems that every instruction on the wiki should be .../eulora-src/Eulora/... instead of /eulora-src/ [21:18]
whaack (2) The last instruction says to run ./configure inside of eulora-src, but there is no configure file [21:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32600 @ 0.00052319 = 17.056 BTC [+] [21:21]
asciilifeform ;;later tell BingoBoingo the min fee thing isn't, as far as i can tell, in therealbitcoin. interested in writing a patch ? [21:23]
gribble The operation succeeded. [21:23]
BingoBoingo I'm not sure I am good enough at create new code. I might dig and mail code I pull from turdmeister's 0.7.3 version for this and getpeerinfo, unsure if I can put together something that *works* [21:25]
williamdunne jurov: Any plans to get Eurola on steam? [21:25]
asciilifeform http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.h#0527 [21:25]
assbot Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.h ... ( http://bit.ly/1INoy6R ) [21:25]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo ^ what we have [21:26]
mircea_popescu whaack the mac instructyions may be a little stale [21:26]
mircea_popescu give a look at the nix stuff maybe it clarifies ? [21:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41108 @ 0.0005126 = 21.072 BTC [-] {2} [21:26]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: GetMinFee figures in AcceptToMemoryPool and CreateNewBlock [21:27]
asciilifeform just as one might expect. [21:27]
BingoBoingo Ah [21:27]
asciilifeform and in CreateTransaction [21:27]
asciilifeform the way i see it, what to relay is really a personal choice for node operator [21:28]
asciilifeform last i saw, the 'spammer' was sending 'old coins' though [21:28]
asciilifeform presently i'm not certain why i should give a fuck re: the spam [21:29]
* asciilifeform not a big fan of the whole 'mempool' scheme, but has said this before, it's in the logz [21:30]
* williamdunne has nearly got Eurola running, interface reminds me of a game I worked on once upon a time [21:40]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: Would y'mind setting me up with an account? [21:41]
mircea_popescu nope [21:42]
mircea_popescu onesec [21:42]
williamdunne God, now I'm having flashbacks to working with scaleform and Adobe Flash [21:45]
mircea_popescu lol no flahs here [21:46]
whaack mircea_popescu: yeah it seems there was an instruction that was missing that was in the other sections, I've updated the wiki [21:46]
mircea_popescu tyvm. [21:46]
mircea_popescu usually how these things go [21:46]
mircea_popescu you want an acct too ? [21:46]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: Well, IIRC it wasn't flash directly, but for some retarded reason they thought it'd be a good idea to reverse engineer the flash format so you'd do some coding and the design in adobe flash [21:48]
williamdunne So the process was create frames in Photoshop, import to flash, add some actioncrap, and then export to scaleform [21:48]
williamdunne Which 50% of the time wouldn't work [21:48]
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mircea_popescu williamdunne http://dpaste.com/3EYNJJP [21:49]
assbot dpaste: 3EYNJJP ... ( http://bit.ly/1INrgt8 ) [21:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54042 @ 0.00051194 = 27.6663 BTC [-] {2} [21:50]
whaack mircea_popescu: yes please, but I'm still working on getting the client running [21:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48158 @ 0.00050997 = 24.5591 BTC [-] {3} [21:51]
mircea_popescu aite [21:51]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: Thanks, seems to be working so far [21:51]
mircea_popescu o hey [21:51]
mircea_popescu ima be in there in a few mins get you started :) [21:52]
williamdunne Awesome [21:53]
mircea_popescu whaack http://dpaste.com/3KT2S67 [21:54]
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BingoBoingo Ah, the minrelaytxfee flag I thought I was using was doing nothing, because it apparently didn't exist until 0.9 [21:57]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29000 @ 0.000534 = 15.486 BTC [+] [22:02]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00053839 = 1.9382 BTC [+] [22:05]
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shinohai !up SuchWow [22:10]
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SuchWow is there a litecoin-assets yet lol [22:11]
shinohai ren't you a dogecoiner SuchWow ? [22:11]
ben_vulpes SuchWow: what's litecoin? [22:12]
shinohai kek [22:12]
ben_vulpes 271609 [22:13]
ben_vulpes i want every token << you probably want the serialization insanity as well [22:13]
BingoBoingo Ah, the pull request that created the -minrelaytxfee flag https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2577/files [22:14]
assbot Treat dust outputs as non-standard, un-hardcode TX_FEE constants by gavinandresen · Pull Request #2577 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1INtRTZ ) [22:14]
ben_vulpes anyways with all this froofraw it'd be nice to have a mining pool that ran 0.5.3 [22:15]
SuchWow shinohai: dogecoin is just what got me into crypo in dec 2013, i then daytraded btc/usc (and occasionally alts, plus a small mining venture) from Jan-July '13, and have been back to just working a day job for the last year or so [22:16]
SuchWow i still find it fun and useful to keep a close eye on cryptos daily [22:16]
SuchWow that 'future' gonna be here quicker than we know it :) [22:16]
ben_vulpes > fun [22:16]
ben_vulpes nothing is fun [22:16]
ben_vulpes arbeith macht frei [22:16]
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SuchWow o/ [22:17]
SuchWow ;p [22:17]
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ben_vulpes As far as I can tell time does not exist other than as a projection perpetrated by the brain << hear hear [22:18]
ben_vulpes but it's not so much the brain as the necessity of linearization of memory for things that travel along a 3-brane [22:19]
ben_vulpes (that itself is drifting steadily along another axis) [22:19]
ben_vulpes too heady for you, SuchWow? [22:20]
ben_vulpes pogo cannot see the sun! << i hazard that pogo is not the thing [22:22]
ben_vulpes but the people setting pogos up is the thing [22:22]
ben_vulpes the difference between "fire and forget" [22:22]
ben_vulpes and giving some random noobs the opportunity to play bitcoinrpb [22:22]
ben_vulpes bitcoingrpg* [22:22]
ben_vulpes see there's eulora for the gamers [22:23]
ben_vulpes qntra for the writers [22:23]
ben_vulpes and the real bitcoin for the hackers [22:23]
SuchWow sry, super sleep dep, 14 hour workdays, being engaged on multiple chans [22:23]
SuchWow reading [22:23]
ben_vulpes it's okay suchwaoender, i'm approximately 1.8lol behind [22:23]
SuchWow we need lolyears [22:23]
ben_vulpes 1.8klol* [22:24]
ben_vulpes a lol is a "line of log", SuchWow. [22:24]
SuchWow whereas the speed of lol is somehow inversely proportional to the speed of gossip on the interent or some such [22:24]
SuchWow or that would work to [22:24]
ben_vulpes gossip is already a reserved term, sorry. [22:24]
SuchWow *too [22:24]
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SuchWow yeah, no, i'm seriously too wasted (exhausted) to have much intelligent discourse. Thanks for the up tho, next time :) [22:25]
ben_vulpes SuchWow: get a fucking key. [22:25]
ben_vulpes fucking register. [22:25]
ben_vulpes shinohai: you up him again... [22:26]
ben_vulpes I KEEL U [22:26]
SuchWow this is irc lol [22:26]
SuchWow i will not register with anything for the ability to speak in an irc chan [22:26]
SuchWow it's just ludicrous imo [22:26]
SuchWow exercise basic chan mgmt :) [22:26]
SuchWow i opped #dogecoin for 18 months [22:26]
SuchWow it *can* be done lol [22:26]
shinohai ludicrous how? to verify your identity securely? [22:26]
SuchWow i regged with nickserv [22:26]
SuchWow that's plenty [22:26]
* shinohai dogecoin is a scam [22:26]
SuchWow i haven't paid attention to dogecoin in the longest time [22:27]
BingoBoingo Wow, init.cpp got bloated between 0.5.3 and 0.9 [22:27]
shinohai http://bit.ly/1glId2X [22:27]
assbot Why Dogecoin is a scam, why the people pushing it are assholes, why Business Insider is a contemptible piece of shit, why anyone who ever worked for it will be dancing in the street for nickels and why Kevin Rose is a fuckwit. Plus other considerations. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1INvd14 ) [22:27]
BingoBoingo More than doubled in size [22:28]
SuchWow i think dogecoin is mainly just investor speculation at this point, and obviously several very large investors from early on and probably throughout [22:28]
SuchWow the community has shrunk almost as exponentially as it grew over the last year [22:29]
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SuchWow but i don't think this chan is about that kind of stuff? [22:29]
SuchWow everytime i talk here, you all start bring up dogecoin - for the record, it has never once been me. [22:29]
shinohai > but i don't think this chan is about that kind of stuff? [22:31]
shinohai anywho ben_vulpes did u say i no can give cheezburger to SuchWow ? [22:31]
SuchWow he's just fuckin around cuz he wants me to register with your bot or something [22:32]
SuchWow it's cool lol [22:32]
SuchWow at least i don't bitch about being upped anymore :) [22:32]
williamdunne Oh god, Eurola has got me looking over some of the work I had done previously. Not all of em' are good uns' [22:33]
mats so, interestingly, one 'Vitaliy Toropov' appears to be a current employee of ZDI (as of 29Apr2015) and... appears to have sold exploits to HT [22:34]
mats hue hue hue [22:34]
mats er, as of that date, afaik [22:35]
shinohai not my bot ftr [22:35]
mats https://wikileaks.org/hackingteam/emails/emailid/48098 [22:40]
assbot WikiLeaks - The Hackingteam Archives ... ( http://bit.ly/1INwIfG ) [22:40]
* assbot removes voice from SuchWow [22:41]
mats actually, strike that, having difficulty confirming whether he's actually an employee [22:44]
shinohai arch is kinda neat [22:46]
mircea_popescu SuchWow investor may not mean what you think it means. [22:50]
* BingoBoingo actually trying to put this knob together. ;;;; [22:50]
mircea_popescu it's not directly equivalent to "spent money". [22:50]
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shinohai Erik Voorhees to the rescue again http://coinivore.com/2015/07/09/litecoin-exchange-volume-outpaces-bitcoin-for-first-time/ [23:11]
assbot Litecoin Exchange Volume Outpaces Bitcoin For First Time - Coinivore ... ( http://bit.ly/1GaOHWU ) [23:11]
mod6 So I was stuck on block: 363734, then updated time, restarted bitcoind, now seem be be stuck on 363736 for >24 hours. [23:17]
asciilifeform mod6: who are you peered with ? [23:17]
mod6 mp [23:17]
asciilifeform he's wedged iirc ! [23:17]
asciilifeform stop peering with him until he unwedges [23:17]
asciilifeform betcha his clock is off too. [23:18]
mod6 ok, i had thought that I read somewhere that he said he was gonna let it be until he could examine the fork closer. I never could find it in the log though. Thought maybe I imagined it. [23:18]
asciilifeform he did [23:19]
asciilifeform and apparently letting it be didn't unwedge it [23:19]
mod6 ah. [23:19]
asciilifeform dollars to doughnuts his clock is off. [23:19]
asciilifeform like mine was. [23:19]
mod6 mine was 25 seconds behind or something. [23:19]
asciilifeform that's not enough to wedge [23:20]
mod6 hrm. maybe im misinterpreted the output [23:21]
mod6 anyway, it might not be a bad time for me to stop it now anyway, and break off to try some other things. I wanna test build stator on gentoo. [23:22]
asciilifeform its natural habitat! [23:22]
asciilifeform test, test. [23:22]
mod6 I see that nubs' gentoo sanity patch isn't applied, wanna get some testing in there. I'm putting a guide together so someone can patch by hand if they like. [23:23]
asciilifeform i never needed that one [23:23]
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asciilifeform to run on my gentoos [23:23]
asciilifeform so i never applied it [23:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40332 @ 0.00053839 = 21.7143 BTC [+] [23:23]
asciilifeform though i think one or two things in it are in my kills_integer_retardation patch [23:23]
mod6 ok, good to know. i'll give it a shot on my end. will report back sometime next day or so. [23:24]
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mod6 yah. and that is included. [23:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43576 @ 0.00053862 = 23.4709 BTC [+] [23:25]
mod6 in particular, this test will be with vanilla gcc (glibc) and not uclibc. With uclibc, I had to do some extra tweaks: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1160161 [23:27]
assbot Logged on 11-06-2015 02:57:07; mod6: no, those where in there from the beginning. i ended up adding ``#define __STDC_LIMIT_MACROS'' with ``#include '' to net.cpp, util.cpp and wallet.cpp and then is ok. [23:27]
asciilifeform i thought nobody got anywhere with uclibc ... ? [23:27]
mod6 well, no, never did link for me properly [23:27]
asciilifeform anyone try musl yet ? [23:28]
mod6 but these problems arose during compiliation. and once the above was applied, was seemingly resolved. [23:28]
williamdunne https://github.com/hackedteam/rcs-common/blob/master/lib/rcs-common/evidence/file.rb#L17 [23:28]
assbot rcs-common/file.rb at master · hackedteam/rcs-common · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1GaQg7x ) [23:28]
mod6 haven't tried musl yet no. [23:28]
mod6 it's on the list. [23:28]
mod6 heh, it's a long list. :] [23:28]
asciilifeform williamdunne: l0l! [23:28]
mod6 i'll get there though. [23:28]
williamdunne asciilifeform: Wonder how many times it was used [23:30]
williamdunne Looks like that feature was created at the request of the Italian gov mabbeh [23:30]
mod6 williamdunne: did you get setup in euloraland? [23:30]
williamdunne mod6: Ish, I did all the beginner stuff, and then died [23:31]
mircea_popescu mined anything ? [23:31]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: No, dieded. Then had some marketing work I figured I ought to be doing [23:32]
williamdunne To be continued [23:32]
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mircea_popescu mod6 it won't go past that for a while. [23:33]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: is your node still wedged ? [23:33]
mircea_popescu im sure it is. [23:33]
asciilifeform and clock ? [23:34]
mircea_popescu hm [23:34]
asciilifeform make sure to compare epoch clock [23:34]
asciilifeform not calendar [23:34]
mircea_popescu $date [23:34]
mircea_popescu Thu Jul 9 22:30:43 EDT 2015 [23:34]
mod6 hi mircea_popescu! ok thanks. ima shut it down for now. although, im gonna sync against it with obsd here in the next few days.. different env. [23:34]
* BingoBoingo nearing -minrelaytxfee recipe [23:34]
mircea_popescu $hwclock [23:35]
mircea_popescu Thu 09 Jul 2015 10:30:49 PM EDT -0.727640 seconds [23:35]
mircea_popescu better ? [23:35]
asciilifeform date +%s [23:36]
asciilifeform ^^^^^^^ [23:36]
mircea_popescu 1436495557 [23:36]
mod6 1436495564 [23:36]
asciilifeform hm matches mine within a few s [23:36]
mod6 yea [23:37]
asciilifeform and still at original wedgepoint ? [23:37]
mircea_popescu well yes. [23:37]
asciilifeform peer count ? [23:37]
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mircea_popescu netstat -ao | grep "8333" | wc -l [23:38]
mircea_popescu 55 [23:38]
asciilifeform does mircea_popescucoind keep logs ? [23:39]
mircea_popescu sure. [23:39]
asciilifeform anything re: rejected blocks in those [23:39]
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mircea_popescu nah just spam txn rejected. [23:40]
asciilifeform that'd be most peculiar [23:40]
asciilifeform it would mean, if there is nothing peculiarly tight-lipped about mircea_popescucoind's logging mechanism, that no one has so much as tried throwing the recent blocks at it [23:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform so was the xemist guy nobody voiced actually al ? [23:42]
asciilifeform waitasec [23:42]
asciilifeform when was that [23:42]
asciilifeform fuck [23:42]
mircea_popescu heh. paymoar attention [23:42]
* asciilifeform scrolls [23:43]
* asciilifeform was... elsewhere [23:43]
mircea_popescu anyway, i shall be off playin [23:43]
mircea_popescu laters! [23:43]
asciilifeform come back, Xemist [23:43]
asciilifeform damn. [23:43]
* asciilifeform sent him a mail with link to this logtime.. [23:44]
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mod6 <+mircea_popescu> !up Xemist [23:44]
mod6 he came here, was here for 5 minutes, was up'd while here, never said anything. [23:44]
asciilifeform hm [23:45]
mod6 <+mircea_popescu> Xemist you wouldn't be al would you ? [23:45]
mod6 no response to that either. [23:45]
asciilifeform mod6: netsplit ?? [23:45]
asciilifeform i don't see this up [23:46]
asciilifeform or the convo [23:46]
asciilifeform OR he got ddosed [23:46]
mod6 lemme check for split, and i'll paste the log. [23:46]
asciilifeform which is still a thing [23:46]
asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu when do we get the ddoser's head on a stick? [23:46]
gribble The operation succeeded. [23:46]
mod6 i don't see any splits in my log, but here's the log from b-a: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1195623 [23:47]
assbot Logged on 09-07-2015 21:25:25; mircea_popescu: !up Xemist [23:47]
asciilifeform it isn't in my log! [23:48]
asciilifeform or in log.bitcoin-assets.com ! [23:48]
asciilifeform go, see [23:48]
mod6 i can paste mine if that helps, but connect/disconnect msgs included [23:48]
asciilifeform i believe [23:48]
asciilifeform but ipso facto netsplit [23:48]
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mod6 check the log link I just posted above. [23:49]
scoopbot_revived Mouse / Keyboard Automation for Linux http://trilema.com/2015/mouse-keyboard-automation-for-linux/ [23:49]
asciilifeform mod6: apologies, i had the 10-7 page up [23:49]
asciilifeform yes, it's in there. [23:49]
asciilifeform gonna guess he got ddosed. [23:50]
mod6 ah, ok. he came in from webchat, looks like to me. [23:50]
asciilifeform aha, iirc danielpbarron invited him to. [23:50]
mod6 ah [23:50]
asciilifeform !up Vexual [23:51]
* assbot gives voice to Vexual [23:51]
asciilifeform for completeness, i will also mention the possibility that we (or what al can see of us in his light-cone) didn't pass his bozo filter. [23:57]
BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/3V1972C.txt [23:57]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1dPsXcE ) [23:57]
BingoBoingo ^ recipe for adding flag to stator [23:58]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: methinks you left something out ? [23:59]
asciilifeform grep -i nMinRelayTxFee * | wc -l [23:59]
asciilifeform 0 [23:59]
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