Forum logs for 10 Jan 2016

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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punkman http://kotaku.com/5784314/the-nintendo-theyve-tried-to-forget-gambling-gangsters-and-love-hotels [00:23]
assbot The Nintendo They've Tried to Forget: Gambling, Gangsters, and Love Hotels ... ( http://bit.ly/1OHuCQY ) [00:23]
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mircea_popescu ahaha what the fuck "or true" [00:34]
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mircea_popescu but yeh, nice script you got there trinque [00:35]
saifedean good evening, everyone! [00:35]
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mircea_popescu how goes lebanon ? [00:37]
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saifedean lebanon is as it always is, mundanely on the precipice of exploding [00:40]
saifedean people hating each other and religious wars escalating everywhere... but... you know... the party must go on [00:41]
saifedean unfortunately i'm not there for the next few months, moved to Windsor, Ontario, of all fucking places, the exact opposite of Lebanon if ever there was one [00:41]
mircea_popescu lol [00:42]
mircea_popescu who the fuck lives in ontario for the winter and in damascus for the civil war. [00:42]
saifedean haha, well-put [00:43]
saifedean well, the wife is due to deliver our first child in the next month or so, and we decided to come give birth here where my in-laws are, ensuring the girl gets the Canadian passport [00:44]
saifedean it's not the most exciting place in the world, but it's across the river from detroit, which stands as a constant reminded that shit could be worse [00:46]
mircea_popescu i can see it. [00:46]
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saifedean this place is so deadly boring it's unreal, but at least it's not a terribly cold winter, and I'm getting plenty of reading done... Also, it's not like you need much excitement to add to your life when you're expecting [00:47]
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mircea_popescu well... the woman's expecting. you're just reading. [00:48]
saifedean well, not quite, there's a surprisingly large amount of stuff to do, learn, and decide if you choose not to hand over the entire process to the medical bezzle [00:49]
mircea_popescu o, that. [00:50]
saifedean this has been an enormously edifying experience... most important lesson learned is that handing over a pregnant woman to a hospital and obgyn is fucking nuts [00:51]
saifedean the bezzle has completely destroyed people's conception of what birth is [00:51]
saifedean it's treated like an emergency like a car crash, when it's a natural process like sex [00:52]
mircea_popescu and the internet has ruined people's idea of what makes good storytelling. don't summarize, be specific. [00:53]
saifedean trying to give birth in hospital makes as much sense as trying to have sex there [00:53]
mircea_popescu you never banged in a hosptial ? [00:53]
mircea_popescu dead people make me horny. [00:53]
saifedean essentially: if a woman is left on her own in a comfortable setting with the father, her body will do all the work and pop the baby out painlessly and even pleasurably, the baby comes out healthy and looks for the tit to feed, it stays connected to the umbilical chord and placenta for a few days, the placenta empties all the nutrients and blood into the baby, and the baby grows healthy [00:55]
saifedean all the complications of birth come precisely from the medical bezzle trying to barge in on this natural process to make a buck, basically [00:55]
mircea_popescu look into "health" circumcision sometime. [00:56]
mircea_popescu but anyway. natural birth has a huge following in the states. almost unknown in yurp. [00:56]
saifedean they'll whisk her in an ambulance and freak the shit out of her, causing her vagina to contract just when it needs to expand. this then necessitates painful pushing, which usually doesn't work, necessitating cutting up and stitching, the baby comes out bloody and bruised and the woman can't breastfeed for hours, which will then destroy the baby's ability to latch properly [00:57]
saifedean and most brutally, the fucking doctor wanting to go home quickly means he'll cut the umbilical chord immediately, suffocating the child and depriving him of about a third of his blood [00:57]
saifedean this for me is the difference between the barbarian and civilized humans today: the civilized have the time and choice to wait on the placenta to empty into the baby. The barbarians are told by the doctor the placenta should be cut immediately [00:58]
mircea_popescu who the fuck goes to the maternity ward in an ambulance ?! [00:58]
saifedean people with insurance, that's who [00:59]
mircea_popescu no way. srsly ?! [00:59]
saifedean "you don't wanna take chances with your baby's health" [00:59]
mircea_popescu there can't be enough fucking ambulances. [00:59]
saifedean the stuff you learn will blow your mind [00:59]
saifedean also, the post-birth interventions they do in the medical bezzle are astonishing... within an hour or so, the baby wil have had a vaccine against Hepatitis B, which I guess makes sense if you intend to pimp the child out in the first week. they'll give them an eye drop to protect against the possibility of the mom having chlamydia, regardless of whether she has it or not, thus destroying the child's vision for a few days.. [01:01]
saifedean and then, the coup de grace, they give him a little sugar in the first hour to drug him and stop him crying from being separated from his mom while they do all the bezzle they wanna do [01:02]
mircea_popescu o yeah, the whole first day vaccination business is both novel and outrageous. [01:02]
saifedean all of which is not just unnecessary, but actively harmful. the child needs absolutely nothing in their first hours except their mom's milk. They need nothing for the first 6 months except her milk and sunshine [01:02]
mircea_popescu not all kids actually want to eat immediately. [01:03]
saifedean but the interventionist bezzle logic we have all come to know and love from economics is applied with vigor at birth, producing mentally, physically and emotionally stunted idiots ready for the modern world's demands [01:03]
saifedean breastfeeding in the first hour is essential for the child and for the mom's breasts, it's part of the birth process [01:04]
mircea_popescu not all women actually can breastfeed altogether. [01:04]
saifedean the child should learn to latch onto the tit before anything else. In the fucking bezzle they give them the pacifier before the tit, and then they'll never latch properly... which happily enough creates endless business for Gerber and other peddlers of poison [01:05]
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mircea_popescu !gettrust assbot saifedean [01:05]
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saifedean if she can get pregnant, she can breastfeed, it's all part of the same package [01:05]
mircea_popescu heh if only. if you can get it up, you can make her come, too ? [01:05]
saifedean the problems of breastfeeding all come from the mom not being given the child to breastfeed immediately [01:06]
saifedean inaccurate analogy, since she's another human. but if her body can carry a baby for 9 months, and if she eats well and takes care of herself, she will get milk [01:06]
saifedean she could fuck it all up of course, but it takes deliberate human fuckery to stop her breastfeeding [01:07]
mircea_popescu it's a body, anything in it can not work. [01:07]
saifedean and of course, a big, big part of this is diet, what the mom eats before, during, and after pregnancy [01:07]
mircea_popescu or whether she has a tyroid condition. or cystic ovaries. or or or. [01:08]
saifedean if you can get your dick up, you can fuck with it. Doesn't mean you will... you could still fuck it up. [01:08]
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saifedean she's got to actively fuck it up for her to not breastfeed... look at all real world examples, and you find a woman who ate shit, or who had a caesarian and didn't bother try breastfeeding for a few days, or as is usually the case, a woman who just can't be bothered and came up wiht a story [01:09]
mircea_popescu looky, i appreciate the youthful activist and half-doctor approach, but srsly, talk to an actual clinician. it doesn't always work. it sucks that it doesn't, it's maybe overreported, it's often just fancies in the woman's head, but not always. sometimes it dun work. [01:10]
saifedean of course the medical bezzle is always happy to oblige with "conditions" [01:10]
saifedean appreciate the faith in your clinician, but don't listen to those guys if you're having a child of your own, they're not in it for your benefit, they have med school loans to pay [01:11]
saifedean and they can't pay them if they deviate from the script... [01:11]
trinque I'll give it a coupla drops of truth in a bucket of rhetoric [01:11]
saifedean do you also talk to an economist phd to get your perspective on Bitcoin? [01:11]
mircea_popescu heh, i knew doctors with half century's experience before money was even fucking invented, you kidding me ? [01:12]
saifedean I'd recommend you folks check out this book: http://www.amazon.ca/Nourishing-Traditions-Book-Baby-Child/dp/0982338317 [01:12]
mircea_popescu and yes i talk to economists. as it happens the brightest mind in banking alive today is from my old country. [01:12]
assbot The Nourishing Traditions Book of Baby & Child Care: Sally Fallon Morell, Thomas S. Cowan: 9780982338315: Books - Amazon.ca ... ( http://bit.ly/1OHxoWD ) [01:12]
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mircea_popescu isnt that the chick at war with the fda over the whole raw milk thing ? [01:13]
saifedean you'll find it in pdf online if you look; reading it is a far better use of your time than arguing! [01:13]
saifedean among many other wars, yes! [01:14]
mircea_popescu here's a fun fact : you can buy raw milk in romania from a fucking machine. [01:14]
saifedean are you familiar with Weston Price? [01:14]
mircea_popescu ~euro a liter. [01:14]
mircea_popescu not particularly. [01:14]
saifedean That muthafucka knew his shit [01:14]
mircea_popescu anyway, all these nitwits that aren't from cattle country don't know wtf milk is, even. [01:14]
mircea_popescu they do a lot of diary in lebanon don't they ? [01:14]
saifedean it's a travesty that he's been completely forgotten... he's basically the Mises of nutrition [01:14]
saifedean yeah they do [01:14]
asciilifeform phun phakt: the 'antivax' hippie folk won in usa west coast. where there are now pandemics of crippling nasties (rubella, etc) last seen in 1940s [01:15]
mircea_popescu yeah. "o my god raw milk". herp. [01:15]
saifedean Weston Price traveled the world for decades observing different cultures and their foods and examining the link with health and degeneration... pretty startling stuff [01:15]
saifedean raw milk is not that interesting an issue, ignore it [01:16]
saifedean but do read Weston Price's Nutrition and Physical Degeneration [01:16]
saifedean the internet has that somewhere, too [01:17]
mircea_popescu it's pretty funny. "science!!1" [01:17]
saifedean weren't you the one who wrote a post about how dumb it is to be hostile to things you do not know about? [01:19]
mircea_popescu seems likely. which one ? [01:19]
asciilifeform there is a surprisingly rich set of literature in... alchemy [01:20]
saifedean can't remember the post, but it stuck with me and has saved me plenty of time by always ignoring arguments from people hostile to things they don't know... mainly bitcoin and health, funnily enough [01:20]
mircea_popescu anyway, i was discussing whether raw milk is interesting or not. it's interesting, to me, because lol. [01:20]
saifedean yes asciilifeform, there is, by the sort of people who invented basically all the science and knowledge that got us out of swimming in our own shit in the jungle! [01:21]
mircea_popescu wait... [01:21]
saifedean i've never had raw milk, don't know a source i can trust in lebanon, and it's illegal to buy it here in Ontario! [01:21]
mircea_popescu what, seriously ?! [01:22]
mircea_popescu you ever milked a cow ? [01:22]
saifedean Isaac Newton was an alchemist primarily, physics and chemistry were the languages he used to speak to the plebs [01:22]
saifedean nope, never milked a cow... [01:22]
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mircea_popescu and you call yourself a lebanonesian ?! [01:22]
mircea_popescu anyway. i milked a cow. prolly can still do it. [01:23]
asciilifeform saifedean: aha. but for some reason i have yet to meet a practicing physicist who read newton's alchemical works. [01:23]
saifedean i ain't even lebanonesian, bro. I'm actually palestinian [01:23]
mircea_popescu ah right that explains it! [01:23]
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saifedean it's sad that your physicist friends havent read alchemists, but i'm gonna go ahead and guess that's sad for them, not for the alchemists... here's a list of actual aclhemists, imagine where you'd be without their contributions to your life! [01:24]
saifedean https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_alchemists [01:24]
assbot List of alchemists - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1OHy6TE ) [01:24]
mircea_popescu honestly, to me all this sorta stuff, much like the "eu legislation" on "contaminated animal productS" ie, edible cheese, is a case of derpy dudes thinking chickens come out of the supermarket. [01:24]
asciilifeform saifedean: 'civilization begins with distillation' (tm) (r) (falkner) aha [01:25]
asciilifeform but where the hell is my philosopher's stone. [01:25]
mircea_popescu and i certainly aren't about to read some anglo derps on how and what to eat. [01:25]
mircea_popescu for one thing, i still have latin. [01:25]
saifedean ah, if only they sold that on amazon ascii [01:25]
mircea_popescu for another... what the fuck, i didn't grow up in a hole. [01:25]
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mircea_popescu to quote disraeli, "who are you people again ?" [01:26]
saifedean lol [01:27]
saifedean the problem with this sort of debate is that i've lived the life of the cake-munching sugar-addled modern nutrition believing fatty, and i've tried the opposite... which makes this conversation difficult [01:28]
saifedean latin, after all, came from a sedentary agricultural society of grain-addicted fatties... you wanna look at pre-agricultural societies to see how to really be well-fed [01:29]
saifedean unfortunately those people don't write, but fortunately, some people who do write have studied them... like weston price [01:29]
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mircea_popescu right. [01:29]
saifedean who, in his defense, was not even american... he was my ontario homeboy [01:29]
mircea_popescu you've tried the opposite but never suckled off a cow. [01:30]
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mircea_popescu what makes the discussion difficult is the significant chasm between what'd you want and what actrually is there. [01:30]
saifedean no, but i've had raw liver, which is much better :) [01:30]
mircea_popescu "i never had x but had y which is much better" is what you said to me ? how the fuck'd you know! [01:31]
saifedean look, i'd love to try good raw milk, and if you can hook a brother up, let me know... but, you know, it ain't the be all end all of human knowledge [01:32]
punkman /me is considering kokorec leftovers for breakfast [01:32]
mircea_popescu alright... ever had woman milk ? [01:32]
saifedean yes, my mother's [01:32]
mircea_popescu not your mother's. as an adult! [01:33]
saifedean did the job, im alive and healthy [01:33]
saifedean but no, not as an adult [01:33]
mircea_popescu sigh [01:33]
mircea_popescu dude... cows, ok, i can see, they don't grow everywhere. [01:33]
mircea_popescu but women are literally ubiquitous. [01:33]
mircea_popescu less reading more suckling ok ? [01:33]
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saifedean punkman is a man after my heart... kokorec is fucking good, whereabouts are you? turkey? [01:34]
mircea_popescu practically. [01:34]
mircea_popescu morea eyalet [01:35]
punkman saifedean: greece [01:35]
saifedean what's your deal with milk mircea? [01:35]
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punkman grandma always boiled the raw milk, I'm sticking with that [01:35]
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mircea_popescu wow check it out, it was its own province, girit [01:36]
mircea_popescu saifedean my deal ? whole thing started from it neh [01:37]
saifedean milk's essential for kids, for at least a year, but i'm honestly not convinced grown-ups should even be drinking it, weston price be damned [01:38]
punkman I like Candia better https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Candia [01:39]
assbot Kingdom of Candia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pl99K4 ) [01:39]
saifedean animal fats and meat is all a man needs [01:39]
mircea_popescu eh how'd you know. at least that dude has the excuse of a lot of bad dinners all over. [01:40]
saifedean the last two months i've basically eaten nothing but fatty meat, never been healthier [01:40]
mircea_popescu you should be an alchemist and write great books on theoretical physics. [01:41]
mircea_popescu for my part, for the past two weeks i've only been slapping butts with my left hand and i've never been taller. [01:42]
saifedean gotta finish popping babies and feeding them properly first, then focus on econ, then alchemy... theoretical physics does not interest me much [01:42]
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asciilifeform saifedean would get on well with funkenstein, i think. [01:43]
mircea_popescu my money says they'd find a point of principle to disagree on and not be on speaking terms. [01:43]
asciilifeform and hey also orlov. [01:44]
saifedean who's funkenstein and does he paleo? [01:44]
danielpbarron mircea_popescu> here's a fun fact : you can buy raw milk in romania << same here in Connecticut, the one state in all of the ussa that permits sale outside of a farm [01:44]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron technically this was on a farm. the way they sorted it out was that the farm rented 20 sqft from the supermarket, plopped a machine down there. serviced it daily, there's a resident tech that does analytics. [01:45]
danielpbarron ah, I can go buy it raw from the store shelf [01:45]
mircea_popescu it doesn't keep unrefrigerated, does it. [01:46]
danielpbarron i haven't tried to keep it out of the fridge, but it seems to age more gracefully in general [01:46]
mircea_popescu certainly can make your own curds. [01:47]
saifedean daniel, i didn't know that, might pop across the border next time I'm in NYC to see what it's like [01:47]
danielpbarron instead of turning rancid it just turns sour [01:47]
danielpbarron saifedean, not many stores sell it; not even whole foods last i checked [01:47]
mircea_popescu http://www.joiana.ro/ro/reteaua-de-dozatoare-automate-de-lapte-timisoara << check it out, that;s actually the thing. [01:47]
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saifedean criminals, all these people, they'd go to jail in the good ole US of A [01:49]
punkman I just realized if you try to vocalize TMSR you end up with something close to "timisoara" [01:49]
asciilifeform punkman: l0l just now realized ? [01:49]
mircea_popescu punkman and another insider joke falls slain by your attentive read! [01:50]
punkman asciilifeform: ikr looks obvious now [01:50]
asciilifeform btw timisoara absolutely ruled, imho [01:50]
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mircea_popescu you just liked the gypsy twists. [01:51]
mircea_popescu fucking village, doesn't even have a tiny and cramped bdsm club [01:51]
asciilifeform it reminded me of home planet. [01:52]
asciilifeform climate was exactly right. my eternal allergy stopped, even. [01:52]
mircea_popescu well it was the better part of the year. [01:53]
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saifedean ladies and gentlement i present you my first witness and exhibit A... the great paleo convert Bitstein of Texas, prayers and blessings be upon him [01:57]
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bitstein mircea_popescu: eh how'd you know << http://activenocarber.myfreeforum.org/ftopic22-0-0-asc-.php http://highsteaks.com/carnivores-creed/vilhjalmur-stefansson/the-fat-of-the-land-not-by-bread-alone/ http://www.slideshare.net/ancestralhealth/miki-ben-dor-ahs13-slides [01:58]
assbot Active No-Carber Forums :: Bear's Words Of Wisdom ... ( http://bit.ly/1Plar7S ) [01:58]
assbot The Fat of the Land / Not By Bread Alone – Vilhjalmur Stefansson ... ( http://bit.ly/1Plaroc ) [01:58]
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mircea_popescu o.O [01:59]
saifedean yeah it really isn't just me who's into all this weirdness :D [02:00]
asciilifeform ;;later tell gabriel_laddel https://secure.flickr.com/photos/obra/sets/72157635353286814 [02:00]
gribble The operation succeeded. [02:00]
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bitstein http://www.diagnosisdiet.com/food/vegetables/ [02:04]
assbot Vegetables - Diagnosis:Diet ... ( http://bit.ly/1PlaYqf ) [02:05]
bitstein https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKLCp4rIBIM [02:05]
assbot AHS12 Miki Ben Dor — Man The Fat Hunter: Animal Fat Shortage as a Driver of Human Evolution - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PlaZdL ) [02:05]
asciilifeform 'eat right, exercise, be the healthiest corpse at the cemetary' [02:05]
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bitstein asciilifeform: what's the other option? [02:06]
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saifedean asciilifeform: the point is to join the cemetary at the same time as the high school class 30 years your junior [02:07]
mircea_popescu so that what ? [02:08]
asciilifeform l0l good luck with that. [02:08]
saifedean the best way to defeat your enemies is to write their obituaries yourself [02:08]
mircea_popescu eh. you keep approaching a multivariate problem with a good feeling about having found the right single variable this time. [02:08]
punkman why spent time on and believe in either modern- or paleo- nutrition science? [02:08]
saifedean while your friends will be shitting their pants in retirement homes on diabetes medication, you'll be out there living life like a normal human [02:08]
saifedean i dont know punkman, why look either side when you cross the road? [02:09]
mircea_popescu there is no such thing as a normal human. [02:09]
asciilifeform ^ [02:09]
saifedean the road is a multivariate problem, after all [02:09]
punkman https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CA4o_mQWYAAksUR.png [02:10]
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saifedean lol thanks, Ezra Klein [02:10]
mircea_popescu it looks like the letter șm. [02:11]
saifedean orly? no normal human? i guess diabetes at 40 sounds grand, then [02:11]
bitstein mircea_popescu: eat nothing but super fatty meat (80:20 fat:protein by calories) for 30 days. you'll feel good too. [02:11]
bitstein you're in argentina, one of the cheapest places on earth to run such an experiment [02:11]
mircea_popescu yeah, because that's my criteria o.O [02:12]
asciilifeform isn't this how polar explorers contracted protein poisoning? [02:12]
bitstein ribeyes are what, $4 USD a pound? [02:12]
saifedean the criteria unfortunately is not money, it's cake! [02:12]
bitstein asciilifeform: rabbit starvation is because of a lack of fat [02:12]
trinque bitstein: strange how your teeth don't look much like the teeth of an animal that makes this its business. [02:15]
bitstein Yea, I have these good for nothing canines and incisors. [02:15]
* trinque yawns [02:15]
bitstein My molars certainly don't look like those of herbivores. [02:15]
mircea_popescu the chief merit of the human body is that it's so incredibly tolerant, it'll carry forward all sorts of bizarre notions of the inhabitant. [02:16]
bitstein mircea_popescu: yea, like that it can handle lots of sugar and insulin [02:16]
mircea_popescu can handle all sorta things. [02:16]
saifedean yes, your body is amazingly tolerant you can choose to live your life walking on your hands and using tools with your legs... but you do not have to [02:16]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [02:16]
saifedean and if you spent your entire life walking on your hands... it will sound crazy when someone tells you these hands would do a better job on a keyboard than feet! [02:17]
asciilifeform dietary crackpottery is interesting psychiatrically. and fundamentally works - in the eating just about ANYTHING, even gravel, is healthier than subsisting on american petro-garbage [02:19]
mircea_popescu come to think about it... you've never had a proper argentine porterhouse steak have you [02:19]
asciilifeform but notice how no one is hyping the (very demonstrable) health benefits of... sleeping ad libitum [02:20]
asciilifeform because it is NOT ACCESSIBLE to people in general [02:20]
mircea_popescu yes they are. [02:20]
saifedean lamb > beef any day [02:20]
mircea_popescu you don't spend enough time with the chicks >1.80 alfie. [02:20]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: they only live on atomic dirigible [02:20]
asciilifeform so how would i. [02:20]
bitstein asciilifeform: that's my argument against vegetarianism [02:20]
asciilifeform i'm not even >180 [02:21]
mircea_popescu every slut out there knows, that she can either sleep enough or age prematurely. ask 'em. [02:21]
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mircea_popescu from an anthropologist's pov, this entire "paleo" thing is pretty much a bunch of boys wanting to be as annoying as the vegans but not ready to embrace metrosexualism or w/e it's called. [02:22]
asciilifeform 'stupidity with flipped sign bit' [02:23]
mircea_popescu you know, like the xtians have "their own" xtian rock, and the boring kids have their own "straight edge" punk which is all about punk if you live in wichita. [02:23]
mircea_popescu and so on. [02:23]
mircea_popescu contrary to what everyone thinks, multiculturalism has its advantages. [02:23]
saifedean that's very profound coming from someone whose only real problem with trying paleo is their addiction to cake :D [02:23]
saifedean fucking cake [02:24]
bitstein mircea_popescu: my problem with "paleo" is it doesn't take itself seriously. paleo people eat so many foods that are only a few thousand years old. just look to their favorite veggies like broccoli, kale, cauliflower... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brassica_oleracea [02:24]
assbot Brassica oleracea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1PlcXuL ) [02:24]
saifedean fuck broccoli, kale, and cauliflower [02:24]
mircea_popescu you know, since im on okcupid about 10 derpy chicks a day go "o, i know why you're not married, you're AFRAID of it!!1" [02:24]
mircea_popescu yeah, totally, something;s stupid because i'm not good enough for it, i'll buy that. [02:24]
saifedean they're an improvement over bread and pasta, but they're not what's gonna make you strong and healthy [02:24]
asciilifeform 'coward is a fella who refuses to take a suicidal risk for somebody else's benefit' (tm) (r) (ilkka kokkarinen) [02:25]
mircea_popescu lol [02:25]
mircea_popescu there's nothing wrong with pasta. just don't eat too much of it. [02:25]
saifedean there's nothing wrong with cyanide, too, by that logic [02:25]
mircea_popescu eh get out. plutonium, why not. BLACK HOLE!11 [02:26]
* asciilifeform finds it interesting how well dietary crackpottery fits with the ancient tradition of 'salvation by rejecting flesh pleasures' [02:26]
mircea_popescu it does dunnit. [02:26]
saifedean but that's not how it works. grains are fucking poison, and the more you eat, the more you kill yourself. there is no "too much", any quantity is bad. if you can get over your sugar addiction enough to cut it all out, you'd be far healthier [02:26]
asciilifeform hair shirt. [02:26]
mircea_popescu dude, the more you eat anything the more you kill yourself. go vacuseal your carcass already. [02:26]
bitstein asciilifeform: what are you talking about? my entire diet is composed of flesh pleasures. [02:26]
mircea_popescu also the more babies your women have the older you get. and so on. [02:27]
asciilifeform bitstein: keep telling yourself that. [02:27]
saifedean lol you guys are addicted to the sugar rush and insulin spike... try to get over that addiction for a month, then try pasta and see how it feels [02:27]
bitstein whoosh [02:27]
saifedean it's fucking shit [02:27]
mircea_popescu eh get out. [02:27]
mircea_popescu for one thing, i actually lived on a hunter's diet. [02:27]
saifedean it tastes like shit and it makes you feel like shit and it kills you slowly. [02:27]
mircea_popescu sigh. [02:28]
saifedean and what did you do about CAKE o.0 [02:28]
mircea_popescu nothing ? [02:28]
saifedean now quit meat for a month and get back to it, and it'll be the best day of your life when you have your first steak in a month [02:28]
* asciilifeform did this as a student, got violently ill [02:29]
mircea_popescu dude gets caught talking out of his ass - for the third time in an evening only, so i guess that's not so bad - switches seamlessly to more of the same. [02:29]
mircea_popescu how about... you know. [02:29]
danielpbarron mircea_popescu> you know, like the xtians have "their own" xtian rock << or rap http://www.atruechurch.info/atruechurchrap.html [02:29]
assbot A True Church - ATrueChurch.info Rap ... ( http://bit.ly/1PWSd1c ) [02:29]
mircea_popescu ahahahah rap too ?! [02:29]
asciilifeform i shit thee not: there is rap in ru. [02:30]
punkman saifedean: it's peculiar that every time you visit you want to have the same discussion [02:30]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron it's a pity they didn't put any copyright notices opn that page. for one thing, copyright doesn't work without a notice, and for the other - someone could steal their muzak! [02:30]
trinque punkman: fun to be the bearer of secret knowledge [02:31]
danielpbarron i think there is a copyright notice [02:31]
bitstein punkman: it's peculiar that people are so nihilistic about nutrition, a fundamental aspect of being alive and being human [02:31]
mircea_popescu :p [02:31]
asciilifeform bitstein: about cure-alls [02:31]
asciilifeform and hair shirts. [02:31]
mircea_popescu bitstein being disinterested in innovation as to a fundamental part of one's culture does not have anything to see with "being nihilistic about nutrition" [02:31]
bitstein who said anything about a cure-all? [02:31]
trinque and one neat trick they dun want u to kno [02:31]
mircea_popescu go talk to israeli jews about you know, your solution to their geopolitical problems. [02:32]
mircea_popescu "dudes, if you only took left turns while driving for three months everything would be fixed!" [02:32]
asciilifeform and aha don't forget to mention their 'favourite' recommendation, 'go live in antarctica' [02:33]
mircea_popescu but ... i'm addicted to taking the bitchez on nude walks! [02:33]
saifedean the most amusingly funny aspect of this is that you folk sound exactly like my economist colleagues dismissing bitcoin... you don't know anything about it, but you can make up enough strawmen and groupthink to feel better about dismissing it [02:34]
mircea_popescu ... [02:34]
mircea_popescu iirc you're the guy that upon examination turned out to be bereft of experience in the matter. [02:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3756 @#64; 0.00049747 = 1.8685 BTC [+] {2} [02:34]
saifedean what examination?! which strawman was that? [02:34]
mircea_popescu eh enough of the crap [02:35]
mircea_popescu !down saifedean [02:35]
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mircea_popescu strawman bearers are not to bring up strawmen. [02:35]
asciilifeform and wtf happened to his wot rating ?! [02:35]
asciilifeform where'd it go [02:35]
mircea_popescu he had one ? [02:36]
asciilifeform i must have hallucinated ? [02:36]
mircea_popescu !s rate saifedean [02:37]
assbot 1 results for 'rate saifedean' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rate+saifedean [02:37]
mircea_popescu odd. [02:37]
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bitstein mircea_popescu: next: !down cake [02:41]
bitstein !up fatty meat [02:41]
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mircea_popescu weird. [02:49]
mircea_popescu actually kinda reminds me of the story of that guy, the anesthesiologist. [02:51]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: just who /is/ the 'brightest mind in banking alive today'? [02:51]
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mircea_popescu !s isarescu [02:51]
assbot 3 results for 'isarescu' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=isarescu [02:51]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: the one who was really rather talented but sold it all for western trinkets ? [02:51]
mircea_popescu yeah, this bizarre monomania sorta thing. [02:52]
pete_dushenski so turns out transcript work is not for the faint of heart. [02:53]
ben_vulpes pandemic, asciilifeform? /pandemic/? [02:54]
pete_dushenski and all i was doing was copying subtitles, and i was still floored by the volume [02:54]
pete_dushenski anyways, glad to see bitbet payouts finally worked their way through the grinder [02:54]
pete_dushenski wd all [02:55]
ben_vulpes any idea what your wpm was, pete_dushenski? [02:55]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: too slow to leave the film running [02:55]
pete_dushenski many a stop and start were needed [02:55]
ben_vulpes sounds like you need some pedals like trinque [02:56]
punkman pro transcriptionists do use pedals [02:56]
pete_dushenski thankfully, youtubes pause with the spacebar, so the mouse wasn't needed [02:56]
* pete_dushenski reaches for cognac all the same [02:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7450 @#64; 0.0004974 = 3.7056 BTC [-] [02:57]
ben_vulpes saifedean, funkenstein_, and DiabloD3 - the list of dietary nutters grows... [02:58]
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pete_dushenski who was that last guy again ? [02:59]
pete_dushenski ;;seen diablod3 [02:59]
gribble diablod3 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 16 weeks, 4 days, 4 hours, 7 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: its a work in progress [02:59]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1364863 << saif couldn't figure out pgpwin iirc [03:02]
assbot Logged on 10-01-2016 05:33:16; asciilifeform: and wtf happened to his wot rating ?! [03:02]
mircea_popescu win ?! [03:04]
mircea_popescu now there's a worthy cause, de-win one's diet. [03:04]
ben_vulpes a winrar is he [03:04]
ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1364834 << remember tiberius? [03:05]
assbot Logged on 10-01-2016 05:26:59; mircea_popescu: dude gets caught talking out of his ass - for the third time in an evening only, so i guess that's not so bad - switches seamlessly to more of the same. [03:05]
ben_vulpes rip tiberius [03:05]
mircea_popescu anyway, diablo-d3 is a guy that did some work on one of the earliest independent miners (ie, gpu based not cpu based like the origian client), then followed up with a lulzy explosion at tardstalk over his plan to collect 1mn btc which "the community" owed him, and then use it to build some fantastic datacenter-cum-powerplant altogether reminescent of http://trilema.com/2010/moment-de-visare/ [03:05]
assbot Moment de visare on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZdE3sU ) [03:05]
pete_dushenski lolk [03:06]
mircea_popescu after that didn't happen he had a moment of butthurt, then moved on to dealing in partnering up with usagi and giving away with both hands the few k's of btcs he did somehow collect (at the time btc was like 2 bux) in exchange for ridiculously valued worthless paper, [03:06]
mircea_popescu after which he pretty much disappeared. [03:06]
ben_vulpes anyways it's not cake at issue, it's kakolate ice cream [03:07]
pete_dushenski !gettrust diablod3 [03:07]
assbot diablod3 is not registered in WoT. [03:07]
mircea_popescu actually... iirc he did manage to get some asicminer shares at some point, which for a period were deemed worthless, but which then came up once they delivered and made his investors whole, or maybe close to it, or at least so he claimed at the time. [03:07]
mircea_popescu altogether not impossible. [03:07]
pete_dushenski !gettrust usagi [03:07]
assbot Trust relationship from user pete_dushenski to user usagi: Level 1: -5, Level 2: -5 via 5 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=pete_dushenski&to=usagi | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/usagi/ [03:07]
mircea_popescu anyway, for the people following the nutrition discussion along at home : the average human needs something to the tune of 2k calories a day to sit around and derp on social media. a little more if he actually moves. the sources of these calories can be protein, fat or sweets, there is nothing else. protein and sweets count at about 4 calories/gram, fat at about 7. the liver has a fixed capacity to process proteins, at [03:10]
mircea_popescu about 150-200 grams a day. there is similarly a fixed capacity to process fats. these also go through the liver, but mostly the bile is the limiting factor there. meanwhile sweets go through the pancreatic-centered insulin mechanism. [03:10]
mircea_popescu it should be obvious that one wants a mix of these three sources in their diet. (starches, such as breads etc, are all sweets for thid discussion, so is alcohol). [03:11]
mircea_popescu the limits are that on one hand you certainly can not have no fat and live ; and on the other the brain burns glucose exclusively. it is about 20 times more difficult to make it out of fat than it is to just rectify sugars, but the body'll do it if it has to. [03:12]
mircea_popescu similarly it'll adapt to anything within reason, and as far as it can help it, beyond any reason. it's only job is to keep you going and it takes it more seriously than you'll ever take anything as long as you live. [03:13]
mircea_popescu that said, the only certainty is that one day it'll fail to bring you back to homeostasis, and that's that. [03:16]
ben_vulpes stay in your performance envelope, hotshot. [03:18]
mircea_popescu pretty much. [03:19]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1364239 << "The odds of winning are 1 in 292.2 million. So the expected value of a ticket is $800*1/292.2=$2.73. A ticket only costs $2 so that’s a positive expected value purchase! We do have to make a few adjustments, however. The $800 million is paid out over 30 years while the $2 is paid out today." [03:19]
assbot Logged on 09-01-2016 18:52:52; BingoBoingo: Anyone want an Illinois lottery powerball ticket for tonight's 900 million dollar drawing, for the potential collection lulz? [03:19]
BingoBoingo The people who end up on all fats for fuel end up having to feed the brain ketones which works as an anticonvulsant, but for the same reason alcohol does. Unbalance electrical activity in the brain is forced to slow because now burning suboptimal fuel. [03:21]
BingoBoingo Which induces a bunch of other changes. [03:22]
pete_dushenski in other nyooz, sean penn is a secret agent http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/el-chapo-speaks-20160109 [03:22]
assbot El Chapo Speaks | Rolling Stone ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZdFgkf ) [03:22]
pete_dushenski ^el chapo, yes, has since been recaptured [03:23]
BingoBoingo Could simulate these changes with benzodiazepine dependence (which is why people who do the Keto thing recreationally start to feel sick when carbs are introduced, ketosis stops and they undergo a drug withdrawal) [03:23]
mircea_popescu that also. [03:24]
* BingoBoingo apologizes for not being around to say this to the addicts, was at addict story time club poker game doubling my quarters. [03:25]
BingoBoingo But yes, when the ketosis people talk about feeling sick when consuming carbs they really are feeling sick. Dope sick, just like a junkie dosed with narcan. [03:26]
pete_dushenski http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1239608/posts << relevant sean pennery [03:26]
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assbot SEAN PENN RIPS 'TEAM AMERICA' CREATORS IN ANGRY MEMO ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZdFw2F ) [03:26]
BingoBoingo !up bitstein [03:32]
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pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1364538 << this title made me think immediately of nintendo's 'virtual boy' [03:35]
assbot Logged on 10-01-2016 03:21:26; punkman: http://kotaku.com/5784314/the-nintendo-theyve-tried-to-forget-gambling-gangsters-and-love-hotels [03:35]
pete_dushenski re: virtual boy, this is why the oculus rift this ~will not~ take off [03:35]
pete_dushenski unless you can see people gawking at your new gizmo, how are you going to know what you're cool ? [03:36]
pete_dushenski virtual boy was, afaik, a sales disaster [03:36]
pete_dushenski though i recall playing with one at the store as a boy, quite an intriguing bit of kit at the time [03:38]
pete_dushenski being 21 years ago... [03:38]
bitstein I had one when it came out for about 2 hours. We took it back and got a super nintendo. [03:38]
* pete_dushenski checks ebay. sees that virtual boy is still dirt cheap. figures that, indeed, thing must have been utter garbage. [03:39]
* BingoBoingo also floored by the dairy hate, WHERE ELSE DOES WHEY COME FROM??? [03:39]
pete_dushenski bitstein: heads up play [03:39]
pete_dushenski heya bitstein, you ever figure out what happened to your boy pierre ? seemed like he went off the reservation of late re: [03:41]
pete_dushenski 'core devs' [03:41]
pete_dushenski and 'unlimited' or some shit [03:41]
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* BingoBoingo thinks it was mere trolling. He was pushing this 1MB blocksize limit is preserved when blocksize limit removed enitrely because consensus. [03:46]
pete_dushenski not impossible [03:47]
pete_dushenski the trolling theory, not the 'consensus' [03:47]
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BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: The idea is the burden of "consensus" forces the status quo 1MB blocksize to be preserved [03:48]
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bitstein it's an interesting idea [03:52]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1364575 << today, sure. 90 years ago, however... [03:52]
assbot Logged on 10-01-2016 03:54:17; mircea_popescu: but anyway. natural birth has a huge following in the states. almost unknown in yurp. [03:52]
BingoBoingo ;;later tell saifedean Re: your tweets. I am sorry I can not help you at this time. If however your ketone dependence makes you hit bottom and your life becomes unmanagable, there's probably a group for that. [03:52]
gribble The operation succeeded. [03:52]
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pete_dushenski ^balls o' steel [03:52]
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BingoBoingo it's an interesting idea << It's how I'm interpreting Pierre's twitter trolling. Anyways it is hard to hold people to what they say on the social media playground of propagandaneering [03:54]
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pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1364687 << advice for the ages. [03:58]
assbot Logged on 10-01-2016 04:31:31; mircea_popescu: less reading more suckling ok ? [03:58]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1364713 << quebec is only canadian province, probably because their laws are a little more 'flexible' than the rest. or maybe just because they're not ~complete~ puritanical riris. [04:00]
assbot Logged on 10-01-2016 04:42:13; danielpbarron: mircea_popescu> here's a fun fact : you can buy raw milk in romania << same here in Connecticut, the one state in all of the ussa that permits sale outside of a farm [04:00]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1364718 << unpasteurised milk is also key for making the best perogy cheese [04:02]
assbot Logged on 10-01-2016 04:44:46; mircea_popescu: certainly can make your own curds. [04:02]
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ben_vulpes someone has opinions about the curve [04:07]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1364815 << stoics, ashoka, etc. [04:07]
assbot Logged on 10-01-2016 05:24:10; *: asciilifeform finds it interesting how well dietary crackpottery fits with the ancient tradition of 'salvation by rejecting flesh pleasures' [04:07]
BingoBoingo Pythagoreans et al [04:10]
ben_vulpes guarding plebs from the madness of irrational numbers! [04:13]
BingoBoingo Also weird dietary rules [04:13]
* BingoBoingo up on every bet tonight, but powerball [04:13]
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BingoBoingo Hockey underdog whose trend demanded a bet won, more than doubled my quarters at poker, powerball though... scam [04:15]
pete_dushenski !up ith [04:15]
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BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [04:16]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 446.0, vol: 4192.40870118 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 442.744, vol: 4910.58495 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 446.39, vol: 9429.25670172 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 434.8, vol: 3.421 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 446.511617, vol: 44346.65710000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 447.11953, vol: 51.25769428 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 451.0373, vol: 14.33694003 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) [04:16]
BingoBoingo ;;more [04:16]
gribble 446.166301563 [04:16]
pete_dushenski ith: you from alberta or bc ? [04:17]
ith pete_dushenski: BC [04:18]
pete_dushenski coast ? [04:18]
ith What year is it? :) [04:18]
ith Middle of BC [04:18]
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ith Though south [04:18]
BingoBoingo http://www.returnofkings.com/77188/new-yorkers-can-now-be-fined-250000-for-not-using-loony-pronouns-like-ze-and-hir [04:19]
assbot New Yorkers Can Now Be Fined $250,000 For Not Using Loony Gender Pronouns Like “Ze” And “Hir” ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZdJMiw ) [04:19]
pete_dushenski ith: kelowna ? kamloops ? [04:19]
ith pete_dushenski: Vernon [04:20]
pete_dushenski ah neat. i have an aunt there. [04:20]
ith I think Vernon is an Illuminati support city. Is your aunt a psychopath? [04:20]
pete_dushenski hm. y'know now that you mention it [04:20]
BingoBoingo Frome the mines, health scamzors getting poor: "Move over, quinoa, kale, and açaí– 2016’s newest superfood might come in a familiar package (or can). Pulses — the dried edible seeds of legume plants, which include things like lentils, dried peas, and beans — are hoping to get their moment in the spotlight, thanks in part to a United Nations campaign to make 2016 the International Year of Pulses." [04:21]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: saw the same 'pulses' suggestion in cbc's article on grocery store inflation [04:21]
pete_dushenski ith: so what keeps you busy in vernon ? pretty sleepy little town last i was through [04:22]
ith pete_dushenski: I am being held prisoner by the Illuminati and can't escape. All day I try to survive relentlous attacks on my mind from my mother, my father and others who speak to me from the apartment downstairs, and manipulate me by directing messages to me (appearing to be speaking to a caller), in the case of my father, from the living room [04:24]
ith I struggle daily to survive and find a way to be free of these people [04:24]
ith (on the phone) [04:24]
pete_dushenski from mr. reed, who unfortunately doesn't have a comments section with which to correct his lack of 'bahamas' : "I’m going to move to Mexico. I swear I am. Except that I already have. Well, I’m going to move there twice. It’s to get away from Hussein Obama." [04:25]
BingoBoingo Have you tired risperidone ith [04:25]
ith They have stolen my brain code and use electromagnetic weapons to manipulate me by making it appear that sounds are coming from beneath concrete floors, etc. to try to drive me crazy [04:25]
pete_dushenski !down ith [04:25]
ith :( [04:25]
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ben_vulpes haw [04:27]
ben_vulpes > brain codes [04:27]
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deedbot- [Qntra] USG Makes Tired Sheriff Face Of Oregon Operations - http://qntra.net/2016/01/usg-makes-tired-sheriff-face-of-oregon-operations/ [05:00]
BingoBoingo ^ Good use of picture? yes or no? [05:01]
BingoBoingo Research-a-lol "The Associated Press has gone from describing the protesters as a “militia” to “armed men” or “armed ranchers,” saying the word “militia” confuses its international audience." >> https://www.rt.com/usa/328143-oregon-militia-occupation-land-rights/ [05:04]
assbot Whose land is it, anyway? Critics, supporters of armed Oregon occupiers agree protest must end — RT USA ... ( http://bit.ly/1mMFHpY ) [05:04]
BingoBoingo Because oh, militant opposition groups aren't for the United States. They are only for Countries they CIA plants them in. [05:04]
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BingoBoingo Same link on Oathers: "A local “Committee for Safety,” which coordinates with Oath Keepers, has approached the protesters and asked them to leave." [05:17]
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ben_vulpes trinque: yeah those failed boost targets are a real bitch [05:34]
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deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.06907224 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1232/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jul-2016/#b14 [07:27]
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copypaste will the bitcoin foundation be accepting "segregated witness" into its client? [09:31]
copypaste (i mean thebitcoin.foundation, not any fake one) [09:31]
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adlai copypaste: i don't speak on their behalf, but it's highly doubtful that it'll include such opt-in softforks [09:41]
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copypaste i think they should make a statement on it if it gets into Bitcoin "Core", since it seems to have wide support (but this support could just be imaginary on my part) [09:42]
adlai you must have missed a few trilema/qntra articles? [09:43]
copypaste i'd be especially curious how the bitcoin foundation would react if more than half of transactions were using it, [09:43]
copypaste adlai: does BingoBoingo/qntra speak for the bitcoin foundation? [09:44]
adlai eh, proportion of transactions is an unclear measure. proportion of utxos is a clearer one, and you can see that eg p2sh still has quite small market share, despite being adopted by several fiat-btc exchange sites [09:44]
adlai no, the foundation issues its own statements, such as: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-December/000184.html [09:45]
assbot [BTC-dev] Regarding Transaction Signatures ... ( http://bit.ly/1Y6slVY ) [09:45]
copypaste right, but i'm pretty sure that script hash transactions are something that has to be opted into, meanwhile "segregated witness" if to work "well" (i.e. for maximum transactions) would have to be invisible to the user, as in on by default [09:45]
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copypaste so many users might use it without noticing especially if it becomes default in bitcoin core. [09:46]
copypaste but you have to take specific steps to send to a script hash [09:46]
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adlai if you run a full node which has no recognition of segwit, you can still operate normally. segwit is dangerous for a) users of non-full nodes who think they have "SPV security" (whatever that may mean), and b) everybody, if enough utxos use segwit that miner defection becomes a real risk [09:47]
adlai copypaste: you may want to read https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-December/012014.html as well, it explains possible failure modes for people who don't recognize softforks such as segwit [09:48]
assbot [bitcoin-dev] On the security of softforks ... ( http://bit.ly/1UGNgc0 ) [09:48]
copypaste thank you, i will [09:49]
adlai what happens with segwit is that people who do opt-in, have significantly less security in the face of miner defection [09:49]
adlai miner defection can't steal from people who didn't opt-in, although it causes reorganizations and general headless-chicken-panic [09:49]
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adlai copypaste: also check out http://p2sh.info/ which I like to interpret as the bounties available to defecting miners, should full nodes let them revert each respective soft fork [09:57]
assbot Grafana ... ( http://bit.ly/1UGNOhY ) [09:57]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1364942 << foucault had a point huh. [10:58]
assbot Logged on 10-01-2016 06:34:00; pete_dushenski: unless you can see people gawking at your new gizmo, how are you going to know what you're cool ? [10:58]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1364961 << ironically enough, in classical ro medicine (ie, pre 1990) ketonic bodies in bloodstream was part of the semiology manual. [11:00]
assbot Logged on 10-01-2016 06:50:13; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell saifedean Re: your tweets. I am sorry I can not help you at this time. If however your ketone dependence makes you hit bottom and your life becomes unmanagable, there's probably a group for that. [11:00]
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mircea_popescu mostly because type 1 diabetes [11:01]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1364995 << ahahaha what the everloving fuck. [11:09]
assbot Logged on 10-01-2016 07:16:55; assbot: New Yorkers Can Now Be Fined $250,000 For Not Using Loony Gender Pronouns Like “Ze” And “Hir” ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZdJMiw ) [11:09]
mircea_popescu "Apologists for this kind of SJW fascism will contend that the $250,000 fine is not mandatory and is a maximum, as if it somehow eliminates the farce of the laws’ new interpretation." << you know, consensus will enforce the lower limit. [11:10]
mircea_popescu hurr durr. [11:10]
mircea_popescu everyone still living in new york must now use "Blasioisanidiotmarriedtoadisgustingnigger" as my preferred gender pronoun. failure to do so "more than a couple of times" means you gotta self-report yourself to city hall. bring your fine with you. [11:11]
mircea_popescu anyway, all the lulz aside, someone point out to the guy that the guidance is for employers and other "covered entitites", and his "quarelling couple in a bar" chosen example is entirely nonsensical. what the fuck is with these idiots, nobody went to school that speaks english ? a fucking generation of kelly bundys out there for the love of christ. [11:14]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365019 << not bad. [11:18]
assbot Logged on 10-01-2016 07:59:18; BingoBoingo: ^ Good use of picture? yes or no? [11:18]
mircea_popescu "who normally presides over a force of local force of six," nevertheless. [11:18]
mircea_popescu lemme re-do this entire thing for ya. [11:19]
mircea_popescu " Harney County Sheriff David Ward, who normally presides over a force of local force of six, is the public face of the combined government effort lead by Federal forces." becomes "Harney County Sheriff David Ward, who normally presides over a force of locally forced six is now the public face of the combined government effort lead by Federal Force IV." [11:20]
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mircea_popescu and add ai on that IV [11:21]
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thestringpuller mircea_popescu never sleeps [11:34]
mircea_popescu i sleep through representatives. [11:34]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365021 << hahaha check it out! blockstream and whoever else have reached consensus!!11 [11:39]
assbot Logged on 10-01-2016 08:02:09; assbot: Whose land is it, anyway? Critics, supporters of armed Oregon occupiers agree protest must end — RT USA ... ( http://bit.ly/1mMFHpY ) [11:39]
mircea_popescu idiots. [11:39]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365037 see http://thebitcoin.foundation/charter.html [11:40]
assbot Logged on 10-01-2016 12:41:58; copypaste: adlai: does BingoBoingo/qntra speak for the bitcoin foundation? [11:40]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/22TK2I1 ) [11:40]
mircea_popescu lot of other good stuff on that site. [11:40]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365042 << they may use it up until they run into http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-01-2016#1360917 [11:41]
assbot Logged on 10-01-2016 12:43:48; copypaste: so many users might use it without noticing especially if it becomes default in bitcoin core. [11:41]
assbot Logged on 05-01-2016 19:28:40; mircea_ahoy: direct any complaints as to "why my txn has been waiting for x days" to anyone and everyone who is running non-conformant bitcoin implementations. starting with the pools. [11:41]
mircea_popescu seeing how exactly 100% of bitcoin businesses are run by people here, it'll be a funny dispute between you know, the actual bitcoin people and all the derps sitting at the edges and opining about how things should be. [11:42]
thestringpuller that's what's irking me about the softfork nuclear option [11:47]
thestringpuller aka http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-December/012073.html [11:47]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365036 << like they, and everyone else in the indistinct usg hydra, reacts every single time this happens, as it does weekly by now : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2014#700916 [11:48]
assbot Logged on 10-01-2016 12:40:52; copypaste: i'd be especially curious how the bitcoin foundation would react if more than half of transactions were using it, [11:48]
assbot Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened. [11:48]
thestringpuller "An interesting consequence of this design is that, since all mapped blocks are empty, old clients will never see transactions confirming." << there are proposed soft forks which will essentially fork other nodes off the network. [11:49]
t t4nk taub The20YearIRCloud TheAdversary TheRealJohnGalt thestringpuller toddf TomServo trinque tripleslash_j tris trixisowned tych0 [11:49]
shinohai thestringpuller: any luck with your node? [11:50]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller there is fundamentally nothing wrong with people using the permanence nature of the blockchain to enshrine data relevant to them in it. we do it already, with deedbot. [11:50]
mircea_popescu you could say that there is something fundamentally wrong with the fraudulent nature of their claims - because no, they're not moving bitcoin back and forth, but mere derivative tokens - but then again, to get the muppets to follow along and get out of actual human beings' way, you usually have to lie to them. [11:50]
mircea_popescu i am glad these dudes are here to do the lying so i don't have to, and with that... good riddance. [11:50]
mircea_popescu if all the coffee buying "with bitcoin", all five of the yearly instances, moves on a deedbot-like thing or simply goes away it makes exactly 0 difference. [11:51]
thestringpuller this is fine as long as my future trb node can witness transactions being confirmed that it broadcasted. [11:52]
thestringpuller if I broadcast tx and have to use block explorer or god forbid "upgrade" to see it confirm, then I take issue [11:52]
mircea_popescu i'm sure it will. [11:53]
thestringpuller shinohai: i gave mod6 access to my box for further diagnostics [11:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8880 @#64; 0.00050098 = 4.4487 BTC [-] {4} [11:53]
thestringpuller imo this is why TRB Foundation is so important. it not only decrufts the shitty code but acts as defenders of the blockchain [11:54]
shinohai Oh awesum. zzzzzzzzztook me a little longer to get a VM up than I thought, I'm in the process of upgrading to new lappy. [11:54]
mircea_popescu this said, it has to be pointed out that the one thing all these derps have in common is - that they can not afford to pay for the hardware that is required to run their software they've "contributed". (and re this, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-01-2016#1360176 is apropos.) in this sense the economic freestanding value of their "contributions" is null. [11:54]
assbot Logged on 04-01-2016 15:58:10; mircea_popescu: THEY however, with their needs to compensate for absent intelligence through the deployment of computing hardware, DO need the shit to "improve". [11:54]
mircea_popescu their projective ability to control the future is also absent, for this reason. consequently, it is not in any sense inconceivable that a situation will come to pass where the maintenance of their derpage requires resources nobody wishes to expend. [11:55]
mircea_popescu if that happens, all the "Soft forks" get reverted on the spot, and all the "hard work" and "contributions" go to the same place windows nt codebase went. [11:55]
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mircea_popescu clearly whether this happens or not is purely a matter of accident, which is to say a matter of time - all the pr derps can do exactly nothing to influence it any way [11:55]
thestringpuller yes. and as I told my mom "We can't have nice things cause there are stupid people who ruin it for everyone", i think bitcoin solves this problem effectively, but must stay ever vigilant [11:55]
mircea_popescu so in this sense, "contributing" to bitcoin outside of b-a / tmsr is a pure and objectively declared waste of time. [11:56]
thestringpuller ^- this exactly. [11:56]
mircea_popescu nevertheless, 0/0 is still an undefined value - inasmuch as their time and effort is actually worthless then it can not be argued that they should stop what they're currentlyu doing. [11:56]
mircea_popescu so... all is well. [11:56]
thestringpuller and all will be well. [11:56]
thestringpuller shinohai: you are going to run the VM on the laptop? [11:57]
thestringpuller i think the issue is with my machine architecture. [11:57]
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shinohai thestringpuller: yup, was going to try and emulate that CPU you showed me. Not sure abt the rest of the architecture tho :/ [12:03]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365044 << no, not "everyone". [12:06]
assbot Logged on 10-01-2016 12:45:13; adlai: if you run a full node which has no recognition of segwit, you can still operate normally. segwit is dangerous for a) users of non-full nodes who think they have "SPV security" (whatever that may mean), and b) everybody, if enough utxos use segwit that miner defection becomes a real risk [12:06]
mircea_popescu miner defection from any and all non-trb approved soft forks is a ~GUARANTEE~ in the future. just a question of when. [12:07]
mircea_popescu and if anyone imagines the "you wouldn't be willing to hurt innocents" is going to hold worth one stitch, please kindly review the history of accidental payments to bitbet and all that. [12:07]
mircea_popescu if a billion people starve because their thousands of btc got stolen by greedy miners who saw an opportunity to revert a soft fork and took it - i'll cheer them on. that's a billion idiots less, and an absolutely ideal end state. [12:08]
mircea_popescu actually, come to think of it... [12:09]
thestringpuller http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/#comment-7033 << ultimately it's a resource war TMSR definitely has upperhand here [12:09]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo wrote about that in his Qntra piece. [12:10]
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mircea_popescu deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0Y29GH1.txt [12:14]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1UGWqFl ) [12:14]
deedbot- accepted: 1 [12:14]
kakobrekla how are the bb payouts going btw ? [12:19]
mircea_popescu bout 60% done by now. [12:20]
mircea_popescu expect to finish today. [12:20]
kakobrekla great, good to hear angry emails will end soon [12:21]
mircea_popescu sorry bout that. [12:22]
kakobrekla shit happens [12:22]
mircea_popescu how many did you get ? [12:22]
kakobrekla a few every day [12:22]
kakobrekla the funniest was "pls hurry im traveling and out of cash" [12:23]
kakobrekla great planning there. [12:23]
mircea_popescu bejoysus [12:23]
mircea_popescu what if you know, the bet went the other way. [12:24]
kakobrekla mhm [12:24]
mircea_popescu i wonder how many people arguing absurdities on bet resolutions like it happens now and again are actually you know, stranded in an airport somewhere and got nothing better to do until the battery runs out. [12:24]
kakobrekla lol [12:24]
kakobrekla its a percentage. [12:25]
mircea_popescu but in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/ac8c70f43411f20b384d6706e6ccb8a7/tumblr_ni0h5ywctv1twb3ixo1_1280.jpg [12:39]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1UGYVHT ) [12:39]
mircea_popescu oh check that out, queergender consensus is slowly coallescing that apple fails in 2016. [12:45]
mircea_popescu and in random old shit, http://www.bytecollector.com/the_digital_group.htm [12:50]
assbot The Digital Group ... ( http://bit.ly/1UGZPnG ) [12:50]
copypaste i understand. thank you guys. i can't believe so called coredevs are supporting something which has such obvious problem as defecting miners dumping all transactions that follow the new rules. wtf. [12:50]
copypaste and then collecting all the fees. lol [12:50]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365147 << wai wut ?! [12:51]
assbot Logged on 10-01-2016 15:43:30; mircea_popescu: oh check that out, queergender consensus is slowly coallescing that apple fails in 2016. [12:51]
copypaste so people going along with soft forks are literally just throwing their coins into a blackhole which will be opened whenever miners defect, which is a gaurantee as more muppets follow along with the softfork the potential gain from defecting rises [12:51]
copypaste how can the "core" devs not see the obvious flaw in this stupidplan? [12:52]
mircea_popescu they are doing exactly the same thing they do with their every waking move : banking on the ultimately doomed proposition that "this ledge will hold". [12:52]
mircea_popescu what do they do when they pay taxes ? put money in 401k ? [12:52]
mircea_popescu same thing. it's what it is. it's what they get. [12:52]
mircea_popescu whence would come such a sudden and complete change for the masses ? there is no such thing. [12:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform for srs. ask around! [12:53]
asciilifeform ask who? the trees? the grass ? [12:53]
copypaste but are the core developers really the "masses"? [12:53]
copypaste there aren't many of them, and they're supposed to be intelligent [12:53]
mircea_popescu intelligence has little to do with it, as it happens. [12:54]
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mircea_popescu in fact... "there aren't many of them, and they're supposed to be intelligent" is not unlike saying "this cow doesn't belong in the pen, it gives a lot of milk which is rare". whether it goes in the pen or puts the would-be farmer in the pen strictly depends on how willing to http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=shoot+cop the cow finds itself. [12:56]
assbot 8 results for 'shoot cop' - #bitcoin-assets search [12:56]
copypaste i see. it's all about mindset, and their mindset is all wrong. [12:58]
mircea_popescu quite. [12:58]
mircea_popescu in other words, intelligence is no bar against stupidity. they may be as intelligent as you wish, but certainly dumb as rocks. and so... [12:59]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365154 << amusingly enough, asciilifeform has been saying (in general terms) that this is the inexorable future for the river of meat since 4eva. [13:02]
assbot Logged on 10-01-2016 15:49:35; copypaste: so people going along with soft forks are literally just throwing their coins into a blackhole which will be opened whenever miners defect, which is a gaurantee as more muppets follow along with the softfork the potential gain from defecting rises [13:02]
copypaste the funny thing is, to hear them describe it (luke jr, wuille, antonopolous, and so on) "segwit" (cute name) has no problems whatsoever and softforks are perfectly safe so everyone should start throwing their coins into segwit transactions so as to make the overall "capacity" of the network go up [13:04]
copypaste i haven't seen one mention of the miner defection problem anywhere but b-a [13:04]
copypaste even though it's such an obvious flaw ... [13:05]
mircea_popescu and then they get hits called on their stupid heads and "nobody" understands why. [13:05]
mircea_popescu guess. [13:05]
mircea_popescu i dunno if you were around for / recall this, but after i singlehandedly nixed the original "block expansion" almost a year ago to the day, they spent A FUCKING YEAR [13:06]
mircea_popescu pretending that a) didn't happen and then latter that b) if it happened it didn't matter and then even later that c) they did it anyway by themselves!!1 [13:06]
mircea_popescu much to the amusement of everyone in the know. [13:07]
copypaste lol, which caused the xtcoin scam [13:07]
copypaste so that's why at first they were all in support of raising the blocksize, but then they all turned against gavin [13:08]
copypaste MP strikes again [13:08]
mircea_popescu there is something fundamentally wrong with people, intelligent or otherwise, who can't simply come out and say "mp said no, so it can't be done". just like there's something fundamentally wrong with people who can't simply come out and say "i tried pissing upwind and staying dry - it doesn't work". [13:08]
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funkenstein_ good morning coin collectors [13:21]
asciilifeform achtung panzerz! brief scheduled outage on zoolag, starting now. [13:24]
mircea_popescu hola mr dwarf. how goes ? [13:25]
funkenstein_ good good, thank you :) [13:25]
funkenstein_ ascii is right I sympathize with saifedean and recommend a video "the business of being born" [13:26]
funkenstein_ but I imagine I should hold off on exposing you to further of my dietary nuttery [13:26]
mircea_popescu i dun think the part about how limiting excessive medical procedurizing is the core of sane medicine was at all controversial. [13:28]
mircea_popescu heck, it's actually one of the oldest ideas in western thought. [13:28]
funkenstein_ mircea_popsescu, your comment about Cauchy-Schwarz has led me on some wild goose chases [13:30]
mircea_popescu it's a basic tool for resolving certain problems in analysis. [13:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @#64; 0.00049769 = 5.9723 BTC [+] [13:33]
mircea_popescu i dunno why the muricans don't recognize b's merits. he did the integral expansion which is the actual reason it's even useful. [13:34]
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BingoBoingo and add aii on that IV << fixed [13:35]
mircea_popescu haha cool! [13:35]
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oglafbot http://oglaf.com/upcycling/ [13:37]
assbot Upcycling ... ( http://bit.ly/1JDvd63 ) [13:37]
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mircea_popescu ajhahaha excellent. [13:39]
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mircea_popescu from earlier link : "System Details [13:42]
mircea_popescu This was the "Cadillac of computers". In 1975, when this system was introduced, Altair system owners were flipping switches for hours just to watch lights blink on the front panel of their systems. Digital Group system owners were throwing a power switch and loading an operating system in less than 20 seconds. The cassette interface, standard with DG systems, loaded programs at 1100 baud. At the time, this was nearly f [13:42]
mircea_popescu our times the speed possible with any other manufacturers tape systems, and ten times faster than paper tape -- the only method available at the time for loading Micro Soft BASIC onto the Altair system. Of course, to even do that on an Altair, you had to buy a paper tape reader and an interface. Usually an ASR-33 Teletype and an SIO card. ($$$) By contrast, Digital Group systems included a video and cassette interface [13:42]
mircea_popescu and a keyboard as standard equipment with all of their systems." [13:42]
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mircea_popescu that lisp company isn't the only thing to have sunk irrespective of immense tech advantages in the history of computing. [13:42]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: pretty much whole 'history of computing' is a story of ascendant charlatans peddling garbage while burying actual thinking folk selling to thinking folk [13:43]
mircea_popescu aha [13:43]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo wrote about that in his Qntra piece. << this one http://qntra.net/2015/12/the-false-dilemma-of-xt-versus-blockstream/#fn3-4718 It's cruel to point people to "BingoBoingo's Qntra Piece" without specifying which one, and as time goes on it will only become more cruel. [13:43]
assbot The False Dilemma of XT Versus Blockstream | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1JDvW78 ) [13:43]
asciilifeform but as in mircea_popescu's essay re: 'can't separate industry from maggotry', the era ~prior to that~ looked like univac and there was a market for mebbe 50 of them. [13:43]
asciilifeform globally. [13:43]
mircea_popescu " As the tape was read, the screen would fill with the HEX or OCTAL page high address of the byte being loaded, testing the memory content for correctly loaded data as each byte was saved." [13:44]
mircea_popescu clearly very poor ux. [13:44]
mircea_popescu (where "ux" means "making the user feel smart") [13:44]
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mircea_popescu "Digital Group also offered a very wide range of hardware accessories. If it was available to computer users at the time, it was available to DG system owners, and usually first. A users group of the time reported (and I confirmed in conversation with Dr. Suding) that within two weeks of the release of the Zilog Z80 chip samples, Dr. Suding had finalized the design for the Digital Group Z80 processor card, and had work [13:47]
mircea_popescu ing systems on display at computer shows. Besting the closest competitor by weeks if not months. Contrast that with the common practice of the day, of running ads for a concept product, then using the money from the customer orders to develop the advertised hardware." [13:47]
mircea_popescu and of course, alf's favourite part, "Popular until the very end, Digital Group failed in August of 1979 due to management and parts supplier troubles, not a lack of customer interest or product orders. Co-founder Dr. Robert Suding recalled that at the time of the bankruptcy, DG had thousands of product information requests and orders waiting to be filled." [13:51]
asciilifeform entirely typical. [13:51]
asciilifeform we don't actually know, afaik, how to make computers without maggotry. [13:51]
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mircea_popescu fwiw, i credit the "bad management" part a lot. [13:53]
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mircea_popescu it is bad management not to do a large number of various things that appear counter-intuitive to "intelligent" people. especially to the "civilised" metastasis thereof. [13:54]
mircea_popescu !s stalin's kittens [13:54]
assbot 0 results for 'stalin's kittens' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=stalin%27s+kittens [13:54]
asciilifeform 'when i am gone, they will strangle the lot of you like kittens' [13:54]
mircea_popescu "blind as newborn kittens" [13:55]
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deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Dow Jones Industrial Average (^DJI) to drop below 14,000 before 31 March 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1214/dow-jones-industrial-average-dji-to-drop-below/#b13 [13:57]
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pete_dushenski http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/you-cant-trust-what-you-read-about-nutrition/ << heh. apt given last night's conversations. [14:04]
assbot You Can’t Trust What You Read About Nutrition | FiveThirtyEight ... ( http://bit.ly/1JDy6Us ) [14:04]
mircea_popescu http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/867/695/946.jpg [14:04]
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pete_dushenski "So we’re left with our original question: What is a healthy diet? We know the basics — we need sufficient calories and protein to keep our bodies alive. We need nutrients like vitamin C and iron. Beyond that, we may be overthinking it" [14:04]
pete_dushenski "The takeaway, Archer said, is that our bodies are adaptable and pretty good at telling us what we need, if we can learn to listen." [14:04]
pete_dushenski obligatory : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1364921 [14:05]
assbot Logged on 10-01-2016 06:11:34; mircea_popescu: similarly it'll adapt to anything within reason, and as far as it can help it, beyond any reason. it's only job is to keep you going and it takes it more seriously than you'll ever take anything as long as you live. [14:05]
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mircea_popescu heh check it out, consensus! [14:06]
pete_dushenski with a fellow 'computationalist', no less [14:07]
pete_dushenski "Edward Archer, a computational physiologist at the University of Alabama’s Nutrition Obesity Research Center in Birmingham" [14:07]
mircea_popescu anyway, im in full agreement with the fellow on the "listen to body" angle. if one can shut up the stupid going on in his head long enough, absolutely amazing feats can be accomplished, such as knowing when to eat and what. [14:09]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [14:09]
pete_dushenski quite [14:11]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365031 <--> http://trilema.com/2015/theres-a-one-bitcoin-reward-for-the-death-of-pieter-wuille-details-below/ [14:11]
assbot Logged on 10-01-2016 12:29:15; copypaste: will the bitcoin foundation be accepting "segregated witness" into its client? [14:11]
assbot There's a one Bitcoin reward for the death of Pieter Wuille. Details below. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1lxiG9S ) [14:11]
copypaste pete_dushenski: you never seem online at an opportune time for me to tell you this. i think that you should develop your own style instead of copying MP's for contravex. contravex is a cheap knockoff at best to trilema. no one can surmount the original, i wouldn't dare even try writing in MPs signature style. [14:13]
copypaste just some food for thought :) [14:13]
pete_dushenski lol there's always ;;later tell [14:14]
pete_dushenski anyways, i'll copy (and paste) whom i please kthx [14:14]
copypaste oh right, i forgot that command. i don't chat here often [14:14]
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mircea_popescu http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/867/697/1d8.jpg [14:18]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JDzSoo ) [14:18]
mircea_popescu http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/867/696/eaf.jpg fucking epic. [14:19]
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mircea_popescu barbie i too can be a computer ideas woman!!1 [14:19]
pete_dushenski is that comic supposed to be... real ? [14:20]
* pete_dushenski hopes it's satire [14:20]
mircea_popescu http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/barbie-i-can-be-a-computer-engineer-parodies [14:21]
assbot Barbie: I Can Be a Computer Engineer Parodies | Know Your Meme ... ( http://bit.ly/1JDAaM5 ) [14:21]
pete_dushenski phew [14:21]
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pete_dushenski "Someone is betting $40,026 on the life of a 73-year-old lottery winner in Michigan. That amount was the highest bid Thursday in an online auction for a lottery prize that pays $1,000 a month, before taxes. But here's the hitch: The money is paid only as long as Donald Magett stays alive." [14:23]
pete_dushenski ^that winner'd better hope he's not drinking the tap water [14:24]
asciilifeform achtung panzers: zoolag is back online. [14:24]
pete_dushenski watch donald be dropped off weekly cases of bottled water. [14:24]
pete_dushenski !s michigan water [14:24]
assbot 0 results for 'michigan water' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=michigan+water [14:24]
pete_dushenski it was flint that had the lead poisoning wasn't it ? [14:25]
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funkenstein_ http://www.kingmaker.net/deaddoctorstxt.html#start <-- not blanket endorsement but worth the read re: nutrition [14:33]
assbot Dead Doctors Don't Lie by Dr. Joel Wallach ... ( http://bit.ly/1JDBBtT ) [14:33]
funkenstein_ "You can prevent, totally prevent, cardio myopathy for ten cents a day. And if we don't do it, we are malignant dumb, I like to call it. Malignant dumb if you don't take in ten cents a day of Selenium. It's a waste of your life. It's one of those landmines that you can avoid. [14:38]
funkenstein_ "The medical treatment of choice for cardio myopathy is a heart transplant, costs $750,000. I want you to think about that. They get the heart free from a donor, they get the blood free for the surgery from the relatives. They use $2.50 of suture material, and they charge you $750,000 for that procedure. Now 6 months ago in LA when they had the earthquake, they were putting people in jail for 60 and 90 days for price-gouging, for se [14:38]
funkenstein_ lling these terrified people a gallon of water for $4.00. They put them in jail for price-gouging, for selling them a gallon of water for four bucks. [14:38]
shinohai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365260 <<< Laughably, the BarbieOS webpage redirects now - listed for sale [14:41]
assbot Logged on 10-01-2016 17:18:48; mircea_popescu: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/barbie-i-can-be-a-computer-engineer-parodies [14:41]
shinohai Guess I'll have to compile trb on tinkerbell linux now [14:42]
pete_dushenski heh [14:42]
mircea_popescu eh that's rank nonsense. "they" have to spend twenty fucking years training to be doing this, and "they" aren't joe blow from the gun fair. [14:43]
pete_dushenski waterboy is more than welcome to open his own heart transplant clinic, undercut the competition. go. do. [14:45]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: where, in antarctica ? [14:46]
asciilifeform operating penguins ? [14:46]
pete_dushenski doesn't matter where [14:46]
asciilifeform does matter, because jail. [14:46]
pete_dushenski omg do it in your basement. make it a seekrit. [14:47]
mircea_popescu you're not about to tell me that you want random derp to be competing for heart transplant customers on the basis of marketing [14:47]
mircea_popescu do you ?! [14:47]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: the point is the skills, not the location [14:47]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: and after the first corpse ? [14:47]
mircea_popescu no bro he got mad skills from watching the nature channel. just like all the other tardstalk ceobusinessmen [14:47]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: then other idiots learn that 750k isn't such a bad deal ? [14:48]
asciilifeform learn how ? [14:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @#64; 0.00048936 = 4.5021 BTC [+] {2} [14:48]
asciilifeform at the hanging ? [14:48]
pete_dushenski second patient knew the first [14:49]
pete_dushenski fatties with bad hearts are all bffs [14:49]
mircea_popescu getting back to sanity, selenium is an essential micronutrient and not that hard to get. eat moar beats. [14:52]
pete_dushenski copypaste: furthermore, how'd you know that i wasn't an acultured asshole before reading trilema ? not that i deny the influence, but that's not entirely the point. the point is... how'd you know ? maybe being "mean" (or however you'd describe mp's style) is a cause of hanging around b-a, and not an effect, y'know ? [14:52]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: beets too [14:53]
pete_dushenski beats are by dre [14:53]
mircea_popescu aha [14:53]
pete_dushenski or maybe 'eating beats' is what dre calls it when his 'cheeks get pounded' or what was it [14:54]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-01-2016#1359657 [14:54]
assbot Logged on 03-01-2016 15:23:46; mircea_popescu: thought you were smart. You still dumb. If I want to pound some butt, I could do a woman. I’m a bisexual because I like to get my cheekbones blown out. I like to get pounded in the butt.’” [14:54]
pete_dushenski 'cheekbones blown out'... now there's a visual. [14:55]
pete_dushenski s/acultured/cultured. hm. dunno why that first one sounded right. it's definitely wrong. [14:57]
pete_dushenski how ironic [14:58]
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mircea_popescu you can have acultural or uncultured. [15:00]
pete_dushenski and these'd be different or the same ? [15:03]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365147 << as usual, about 2-3 years too late [15:04]
assbot Logged on 10-01-2016 15:43:30; mircea_popescu: oh check that out, queergender consensus is slowly coallescing that apple fails in 2016. [15:04]
pete_dushenski make that 5. steve died in 2011. [15:04]
pete_dushenski "but jobs planned out the next 5 years of products so the company is still in good hands even though he's dead" [15:05]
pete_dushenski ya, well, time's up, kiddies [15:05]
asciilifeform monopolies don't 'fail' in the way a corner restaurant might. [15:05]
pete_dushenski apple will fail like government motors failed [15:06]
asciilifeform there were other car makers. [15:06]
pete_dushenski there are other ph0ne makers [15:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6157 @#64; 0.00048628 = 2.994 BTC [-] {2} [15:06]
asciilifeform there are no other non-microshit pc makers or non-turdroid pnohe makers. [15:07]
mircea_popescu apple is a monopoly in the sense qq.com is a monopoly. you... never heard of it. [15:07]
mircea_popescu samsung makes cheaper, better tablets. [15:07]
asciilifeform it is a motherfucking monopoly. [15:07]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361677 [15:07]
asciilifeform turdroid. [15:07]
assbot Logged on 06-01-2016 21:57:20; pete_dushenski: girl who leases $500/mo suv couldn't imagine justifying $800 iph0ne, so... bought $300 chinese thing [15:07]
mircea_popescu nobody asked you, tho. [15:07]
mircea_popescu the whole thing is turdoid. [15:07]
asciilifeform has mircea_popescu actually used a turdroid ? [15:07]
mircea_popescu i have no love for portables. [15:07]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: what pc's do you imagine anyone under 60 is buying at this point ? [15:07]
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asciilifeform !s suspend mode [15:08]
assbot 10 results for 'suspend mode' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=suspend+mode [15:08]
mircea_popescu i thought we were discussing the fucking ipad. [15:08]
pete_dushenski gray-haired men, yes, buy new crapple. that's it. walk into 'apple store' and look who is at 'genius bar' [15:08]
mircea_popescu you were talking about some obscure desktop thing apple perhaps still makes ?! [15:08]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i work at megacorp that is more or less 100% mb pro [15:09]
asciilifeform and not the only such [15:09]
asciilifeform 'mac' is, quite monopolistically, the only USABLE-for-development portable unix box presently sold, and the ios boxen - the only non-infested-five-minutes-after-uncrating pocket computers presently sold. [15:11]
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asciilifeform and yes, jobs is dead, and the hardware is going to shit, i recently spent 4 hours trying to make a deterministic model of what the 'spaces' window manager does with 3 displays active, to no avail [15:12]
asciilifeform and the machine is 2 weeks old and already making peculiar grinding noises [15:12]
asciilifeform but this does not change the fact of monopoly. [15:12]
asciilifeform see obligatory turd, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=132 [15:13]
assbot Loper OS » Non-Apple’s Mistake ... ( http://bit.ly/1NrLRp9 ) [15:13]
mircea_popescu nobody gives a flying fuck about making desktops when discussing the apple failure. [15:13]
mircea_popescu if it sheds 99.4% oif its market cap and preserves the tiny thing you're interested in, [15:13]
mircea_popescu you'll say "nothing happened, as predicted, because monopoly" [15:13]
mircea_popescu and the world will say "omfg apple is finished. what a crater." [15:14]
asciilifeform actually it would be a very interesting thing if it finally died. somebody might start making actual commercial unix boxes again. [15:14]
trinque worth noting here that Google is rumbling about moving into PCs [15:14]
asciilifeform ones that work. [15:14]
asciilifeform 'nothing grows till the oak hits the ground' or what was it. [15:14]
mircea_popescu yeah, after cardano ships. [15:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6289 @#64; 0.00048628 = 3.0582 BTC [-] [15:15]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: sadly i have not yet discovered how to make pentium in my kitchen. [15:15]
mircea_popescu well... im gonna tell the investors you're working on it nevertheless. [15:16]
mircea_popescu and it'll be based on triforce numbers or something. [15:16]
asciilifeform l0lz [15:18]
mircea_popescu trinque their bid to take over internet infrastructure altogether is apparently a little stalled. [15:18]
BingoBoingo funkenstein_: Too much selenium is bad though, makes a person stink. Even thiols can't apporach the stink of selenium compounds [15:18]
trinque mircea_popescu: on the hosting side bezos has eaten a lot of it, and as far as what the average derp is staring at when she thinks she's on the internet, facebook [15:19]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: on the hosting side bezos has eaten a lot of it, and as far as what the average derp is staring at when she thinks she's on the internet, facebook << For on this try to find the web presence of any 'Murican Militia organization [15:23]
pete_dushenski http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/tom-kott-get-quebec-out-of-my-married-name << "“There is a new generation of women raised in an equal society who don’t feel threatened by men. For them, taking their husband’s name doesn’t mean living under their husband’s shadow.” Clearly, the dominance of cultural paternalism was replaced by government paternalism in this scheme, and no one has been left b [15:23]
pete_dushenski etter off — then, or now." [15:23]
assbot Tom Kott: Quebec’s ‘married name’ law is paternalistic and dumb | National Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1K78vOF ) [15:23]
BingoBoingo Excluding Oathkeepers and other known USG moles [15:23]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: in a very meaningful sense, these organizations DO NOT EXIST except in meatspace. because they have no pgp. [15:23]
asciilifeform thinkaboutit [15:23]
asciilifeform you can't, for instance, 'email isis' [15:24]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: OH, some of them have EXTENSIVE facebook presences [15:24]
asciilifeform you can only email the usg dept of prison [15:24]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: usg front-end [15:24]
BingoBoingo But yes, to contact them gotta go through USG dept of prisons [15:24]
asciilifeform mno, that only contacts your local preet [15:24]
asciilifeform (who may choose to pass on your bits to another idiot if it suits his purposes, sure) [15:25]
mircea_popescu trinque yeah, but they were going to bitchslap cox cable & co on the providing side. [15:25]
BingoBoingo Via that harvard jew [15:25]
mircea_popescu truth be told the connectivity situation of the us is really on par with its stature in the world : african. [15:25]
trinque mircea_popescu: that's right, "google fiber" [15:25]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: mno, africa has ok connectivity via gsm [15:25]
pete_dushenski usa : sub-sub-saharan african internet [15:26]
pete_dushenski about antarctica if my geography is correct [15:27]
mircea_popescu well, just like africa, so is the us a big... "country". [15:27]
mircea_popescu some places got better connectivity than others, but overall... [15:27]
asciilifeform outside of major conurbations, usa has approximately same quality of connectivity as... ships at sea [15:28]
asciilifeform this is one of the things severely limiting the appeal, from my pov, of 'cheap middle-of-nowhere' locales there [15:29]
asciilifeform i've an old chum who moved to wv. he is ever scheming to build a radio tower. [15:29]
asciilifeform 'but the house cost 1/5th!11111' [15:30]
BingoBoingo this is one of the things severely limiting the appeal, from my pov, of 'cheap middle-of-nowhere' locales there << Yeah, gotta be near a cable path and all of a sudden house no longer 1/5 but 1/4 or even 1/3 [15:30]
asciilifeform 'cable path' ~= 25k usd project [15:31]
asciilifeform not to mention that if it is a cable tv sort of cable, you are stuck with some of the most abominable isp monopolists in all of usaschwitz [15:32]
asciilifeform (e.g., 'comcast') [15:32]
BingoBoingo Oh, no I mean the transit cables, but even then no guarentee people will care to tap them >> http://rlc.edu campus runs on poin to point wireless even though near I-57 and massive cables going from Chicago to US South, because no one has will to tap cables [15:36]
assbot Rend Lake College - Ina, IL - Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1K79Jth ) [15:36]
BingoBoingo But if near transit cables with existing tap, internet not too bad [15:36]
BingoBoingo Nowhere's ville near cable taps is where you find decent muni fiber in USia [15:37]
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mircea_popescu ^ [15:48]
BingoBoingo What you really want for Best USA Internet (TM/R) is suburb 8.5-25 kilowarmbodies 10-30 miles from regional population hub and not too far from inerstate highway path [15:52]
mircea_popescu pretty much where i lived back when i did. [15:53]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: do you happen to have the link to that classic russian 'chukka' comic handy ? i can't find it in the logs [15:55]
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BingoBoingo What you want is a core of people who aren't poor relative to the rest of their USistan region. Once they make the muni-fiber jump the first few years are rough until they get addicted to uptime and buying more cables headed in different directions out of town. [15:56]
pete_dushenski friends had a kid (half indian, half lithuanian) who looks 100% 'chukka' [15:57]
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BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [16:00]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 446.84, vol: 4237.85142901 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 443.755, vol: 4583.31028 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 446.38, vol: 13610.32079304 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 434.8, vol: 3.07404244 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 445.392212, vol: 46690.77580000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 447.27368, vol: 36.97002807 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 446.55969, vol: 33.19697639 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) [16:01]
BingoBoingo ;;more [16:01]
gribble 445.567823496 [16:01]
funkenstein_ apple is a monopoly in the sense qq.com is a monopoly. you... never heard of it. <-- i was surprised to learn recently tencent was a major player in handling the exchange to fiat-bank segment for e.g. btcchina [16:01]
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funkenstein_ though now apparently they go direct without third parties [16:02]
BingoBoingo http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2012/05/15/things_i_wont_work_with_selenophenol [16:02]
assbot Things I Won’t Work With: Selenophenol | In the Pipeline ... ( http://bit.ly/1RgHLTz ) [16:02]
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funkenstein_ BingoBoingo, for this dwarf the bottleneck is never bandwidth or screenspace. Always my own fucking head. [16:03]
BingoBoingo That's how it tends to work [16:03]
* BingoBoingo very disappoint there are no cool alternate lines being offered anywhere he can find on the Bama-Clemson game tomorrow. Wants to take Bama -13.5 or -20.5 [16:04]
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mircea_popescu funkenstein_ aha. [16:05]
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pete_dushenski bbiab [16:08]
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BingoBoingo May we never forget the bravest Chemistry paper in history http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ja00893a004 [16:16]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1RgIWCm ) [16:16]
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BingoBoingo ;;later tell PeterL What kind of budget would you need to produce a paper on the sulfur chemistry of FOOF in the name of making the TMSR a contributor to cutting edge science? [16:21]
gribble The operation succeeded. [16:21]
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BingoBoingo Seems like low hanging fruit for TMSR to legitimately contribute to the advancement of the physical sciences [16:26]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-10-2015#1294706 [16:28]
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assbot Logged on 08-10-2015 02:09:29; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu re: chukcha: canonical: http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/1700710/post74537442 << scroll to pics [16:28]
asciilifeform and it's - chukcha [16:28]
asciilifeform чукча. [16:28]
ben_vulpes heh FOOF [16:36]
ben_vulpes that one made an appearance in 'Ignition!' iirc [16:36]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: aha. cheers. [16:42]
pete_dushenski http://hiero.ru/Akuaku/ChukIMak << the chuckcha comics i was thinking of. [16:42]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZeKT1i ) [16:42]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: If we are to etch our own silicon we gotta consider all sorts of weird [16:43]
pete_dushenski *chukcha [16:44]
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BingoBoingo look who went complete retard https://archive.is/f8hQk [16:46]
assbot Cryptography Guru Announces Anonymous Communications Network Called PrivaTegrity ... ( http://bit.ly/1mNZrtb ) [16:46]
BingoBoingo "In an interview with Wired, Mr. Chaum revealed that, to prevent cybercrime and other nefarious groups from using their network, the researchers behind this initiative are planning to create a PrivaTegrity Council." [16:47]
BingoBoingo "This council will provide access to data about users to law enforcement, but only for those who use the network for criminal activities. This council will have nine members from across the world, and all have to agree to release information about users to any government inquiring for data." [16:47]
pete_dushenski never go full retard [16:48]
BingoBoingo Just a man, pretending to be a man, pretending to be another man. [16:49]
mircea_popescu ahahah what the fuck. [16:49]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo word. [16:49]
pete_dushenski " and all have to agree to release information about users to any government inquiring for data." << 9/9 multi-sig ! [16:49]
pete_dushenski one loses key, rest can go home [16:49]
pete_dushenski "In short, right now the bitcoin infrastructure is insufficient to support the unbanked. This must and will change. Before we begin, a bit of disclosure: I’ve been researching this for my on project, Freemit, and I’ve been talking talking to startups in this space." << so much talking [16:52]
pete_dushenski http://techcrunch.com/2016/01/10/why-bitcoin-cant-help-the-poorest-yet/ [16:52]
assbot Why Bitcoin Can’t Help The Poorest – Yet | TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1mO0cT6 ) [16:53]
pete_dushenski "The bitcoin infrastructure is excellent, secure, and powerful in the abstract. In practice it is useless… but not for long." << try death warrants with paypal. [16:54]
mircea_popescu idiots. [16:54]
ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: i've been thinking a lot about proteins lately [16:55]
ben_vulpes silicon is a dead end [16:55]
mircea_popescu "since 100% of all bitcoin businesses are in b-a and b-a doesn't like it, you know what ? it is useless!11 nothing ever happened!111 blablabl~!111" [16:55]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes and proteins are a long end. [16:55]
pete_dushenski https://twitter.com/johnbiggs << author of the above. ftr. [16:56]
assbot John Biggs (@#64;johnbiggs) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZeLRLe ) [16:56]
ben_vulpes long end? [16:56]
* ben_vulpes is operating under a severe cognition deficit today. weird bugs in the blood. [16:56]
mircea_popescu it'll take you forever to find out it doesn't work, sorta thing. [16:56]
mircea_popescu "Writer and Maker. Editor for TechCrunch." heh. ever novel ways to say "nobody doing nothing, ignore me please" [16:57]
BingoBoingo Not to mention shaping proteins is hard bsns [16:57]
mircea_popescu myeah. [16:57]
ben_vulpes "monte-carlo 'engineering'" [16:58]
pete_dushenski i thought the whole 'maker' thing woulda died when 3d printing didn't put home depot out of business in 12 months flat. guess not eh [16:59]
pete_dushenski in other 'how would you know' nyooz, ""Everyone in our pool is making money, because people who aren't making money would not have their machines turned on," BTCC's Lee said." [17:00]
pete_dushenski http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-07/the-return-of-bitcoin-mining [17:00]
assbot The Return of Bitcoin Mining - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZeMgNL ) [17:00]
deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 4.31800000 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b62 [17:00]
pete_dushenski probably the same logic bobby lee used to arrive at the 'must have 2mb blocks' conclusion [17:01]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365440 << RIP chaum [17:05]
assbot Logged on 10-01-2016 19:45:08; BingoBoingo: "In an interview with Wired, Mr. Chaum revealed that, to prevent cybercrime and other nefarious groups from using their network, the researchers behind this initiative are planning to create a PrivaTegrity Council." [17:05]
asciilifeform what do you suppose they did to him ? [17:05]
BingoBoingo No idea [17:07]
asciilifeform chaum et al are the flip side of the 'everybody has a day job' crap [17:08]
asciilifeform likely, man had a choice between eating and not-quisling [17:09]
asciilifeform picked eating. [17:09]
asciilifeform and mircea_popescu will probably tell us that he oughta have shot a cop somewhere. [17:09]
ben_vulpes stack up [17:09]
asciilifeform as if a dead chaum is much good for anything. [17:09]
asciilifeform how much good from the dead murdock ? [17:10]
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BingoBoingo Did this Kristov Atlas fellow ever have a presence in either WoT, this is the stupid sort of twitter rambling that demands an ideological negrate https://archive.is/fIuTA [17:17]
assbot Kristov Atlas on Twitter: "@#64;bboingo @#64;bboingo @#64;pierre_rochard @#64;rogerkver right, but a firefighter's job presently is to take on physical risk." ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZeNJne ) [17:17]
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danielpbarron he knows about it; that guy has me blocked even [17:25]
BingoBoingo Seriously Obeasts are only a hazard to themselves? Does he even consider the pathogens people who can't clean their ass spread everyday as they go about sitting and leaning on public spaces. [17:28]
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ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: i'm going to vom [17:40]
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BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: More than any dietary change, avoiding morbid Obeasts will materially improve your health. Give it a try for 30 day, see the improvement in your life. [17:41]
ben_vulpes your reports are from a different universe from that which i inhabit [17:46]
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ben_vulpes no obeasts on 1400 vertical foot hikes [17:47]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes already build his wizard tower? [17:50]
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ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: some day i will roost in the vista house: http://vistahouse.com/ [17:57]
assbot Friends of Vista House ... ( http://bit.ly/1RE5gnW ) [17:57]
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* BingoBoingo right now just wondering on the holy grail of sealed FeNi batteries which would make wizard tower pissibru [18:05]
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punkman asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365440 << RIP chaum << I don't think this was out of character at all [19:29]
assbot Logged on 10-01-2016 19:45:08; BingoBoingo: "In an interview with Wired, Mr. Chaum revealed that, to prevent cybercrime and other nefarious groups from using their network, the researchers behind this initiative are planning to create a PrivaTegrity Council." [19:29]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365503 << wai wut ?! [19:59]
assbot Logged on 10-01-2016 22:26:54; punkman: asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365440 << RIP chaum << I don't think this was out of character at all [19:59]
asciilifeform soooooo turns out prb doesn't like relaying high-S sigs. [20:05]
asciilifeform as of whenever. [20:05]
asciilifeform this, i strongly suspect, resolves the mega-mystery. [20:05]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, mod6, other panzerz ^^ [20:05]
thestringpuller prb? [20:06]
thestringpuller !s prb [20:06]
assbot 6 results for 'prb' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=prb [20:06]
asciilifeform 'powe ranger' bitcoin [20:06]
thestringpuller Ah [20:06]
thestringpuller yea prb won't relay high-S due to bip-62 [20:06]
thestringpuller err [20:06]
thestringpuller BIP-66 [20:07]
shinohai https://i.imgur.com/L680STE.jpg [20:07]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1PYrRvP ) [20:07]
thestringpuller Basically all "new" PRB-nodes will refuse to relay high-S tx's to the network. Miners will still mine them though. But interesting that a high-s transaction has high probability to get fellated and malleated by network before being mined. [20:08]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform it shouldn't be the case that you're connected exclusively to prb nodes. [20:28]
mircea_popescu it should also not be the case that there isn't a trb path between you and miners. [20:28]
asciilifeform agreed [20:28]
mircea_popescu the contrary situation is aptly known as "isolated" [20:28]
asciilifeform but it ~is~ the case [20:28]
asciilifeform that there is not a trb path between my nodez and the miners. [20:28]
thestringpuller if miner nodes are running prb, they'll isolate too [20:28]
asciilifeform that also [20:29]
asciilifeform and seems like we have a handy litmus. [20:29]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller "running prb" is not being a miner. [20:30]
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thestringpuller mircea_popescu: i was just saying if miners receive tx's to mine via PRB code then it'll isolate [20:36]
thestringpuller i dunno if this is case, cause not like miners publicize their nodes (or maybe they do, i'm still investigating) [20:37]
mircea_popescu it's complicated and multi-layered and so on because ddos. [20:39]
mircea_popescu the dns derps keep going on about how important and bla bla they are - but by comparison they're 13yo's at the beach, making sandcastles. [20:39]
asciilifeform incidentally a gossipd which conducts tcp pipes would at least threaten to begin to formalize the hierarchy. [20:43]
mircea_popescu myeah [20:43]
asciilifeform the one problem might be that mining selects for idiocy [20:46]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365479 < can you believe this guy ?! [20:46]
assbot Logged on 10-01-2016 20:07:18; asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu will probably tell us that he oughta have shot a cop somewhere. [20:46]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365465 << note that nature has more resources than you, has been trying it for longer than you'll be alive, and STILL hasn't produced organic intelligence. [20:47]
assbot Logged on 10-01-2016 19:56:13; ben_vulpes: "monte-carlo 'engineering'" [20:47]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: hey it was what my internal mircea_popescu-coprocessor said to me ! [20:47]
mircea_popescu lol [20:48]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365472 << am i the only guy left that doesn't know who the fuck this was ? [20:48]
assbot Logged on 10-01-2016 20:03:10; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365440 << RIP chaum [20:48]
asciilifeform ;;google david chaum [20:49]
gribble David Chaum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; David Chaum: ; How DigiCash Blew Everything - Cryptome: [20:50]
mircea_popescu wait, wait, actually ?! [20:50]
mircea_popescu hey check that out, zimmerman makes nsa-phone and david chaum makes nsa-gossipd. [20:50]
mircea_popescu i am rather flattered, honestly. [20:50]
asciilifeform inventor of blind signature, and of undoublespendable-decentralized money as a concept [20:50]
mircea_popescu i thought it was just random derp named chaum [20:50]
asciilifeform http://yro.slashdot.org/story/16/01/10/1532209/crypto-guru-david-chaums-private-communications-network-comes-with-a-backdoor << nah. ~the~ chaum. [20:51]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365485 << atlas is famous chiefly for his crazy. i dunno that anyone'd take the stuff seriously. think tardstalk's own vexual. [20:51]
assbot Crypto Guru David Chaum's Private Communications Network Comes With a Backdoor - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1mOrJnw ) [20:51]
assbot Logged on 10-01-2016 20:15:26; BingoBoingo: Did this Kristov Atlas fellow ever have a presence in either WoT, this is the stupid sort of twitter rambling that demands an ideological negrate https://archive.is/fIuTA [20:51]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the general lack of personal integrity in the angloworld is quite the sad spectacle, huh. [20:52]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: elementary starvation. [20:52]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: i have no interest in designing molecular structures myself. i am mostly interested in simulating the interactions of easily-procured precursors in lots and lots of sims, varying lots and lots of variables in the sim, in order to crap out eg simple logic gates [20:53]
ben_vulpes this is how various novel antibacterials are 'designed'. [20:53]
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asciilifeform ben_vulpes: it is pointedly NOT how [20:53]
ben_vulpes some! a tiny fraction. [20:53]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes no, i get it, you want maximum skim for minimum upfront work. [20:53]
mircea_popescu this is not a novel strategy. [20:53]
* asciilifeform used to do just this, for a living, this is very much not a description of how. [20:54]
asciilifeform for fuckssake, there is not even a closed-form solution for ONE MOTHERFUCKING LITHIUM ATOM [20:54]
mircea_popescu yes but that because bad math more than anything else. [20:54]
asciilifeform mno, because n-body problem. [20:54]
asciilifeform provable absence of closed form. [20:54]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu of all people oughta know this.. [20:55]
mircea_popescu but not provable that a good heuristic intermediate between "closed form" and "fuck you" is absent for fundamental reasons. [20:55]
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asciilifeform there are eh-maybe-somewhat-usable heuristics [20:55]
ben_vulpes http://astro.temple.edu/~meister/Schafmeister_group_website/Research.html << so, another usgscam? [20:55]
asciilifeform they soak up infinite cpu. [20:55]
assbot Research overview ... ( http://bit.ly/1Zf2EO3 ) [20:55]
mircea_popescu because bad math. [20:55]
mircea_popescu i don't need it to answer absolutely. i just need it to reduce by a factor of 10^20 rather than by a factor of maybe 10^3 [20:56]
mircea_popescu that's all. [20:56]
asciilifeform in practice, the errors compound and magnify into near-useless soup. [20:56]
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asciilifeform on state of the art $maxint simulator. [20:56]
mircea_popescu this was the exact description of a "bad math" situation htroughout the history of science. [20:56]
asciilifeform aha. [20:56]
mircea_popescu in particular, it's why calorimetric theory was unverifiable. and so on. [20:56]
mircea_popescu so i'm taking an educated guess : it's because bad math. [20:57]
asciilifeform also because we don't have computers. [20:57]
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mircea_popescu computer science is taught by the math dept. [20:57]
asciilifeform (simulating 10^20 INDEPENDENT elements on a von neumann box with maybe a dozen cpu is lunacy) [20:57]
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asciilifeform http://museum.ipsj.or.jp/computer/word/images/0027_02_l.jpg << in other 'nyoooz' [21:00]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: has the best PC pr0n. [21:00]
mircea_popescu o look it's a nec. [21:01]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365516 << doubles as public-relations-bitcoin. you know, scam. [21:01]
assbot Logged on 10-01-2016 23:04:06; asciilifeform: 'powe ranger' bitcoin [21:01]
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thestringpuller mircea_popescu: there is this comic called "The Boys" where superheroes are just a thing. Anyhow super heroes cause more trouble than what it's worth. To solve one problem the fuck up 100 other things, so "The Boys" are sent in to keep the peace. I've realized the power rangers do exactly that. Very public displays of "whatever fix", which ends up breaking 50 other things that have to eventually be fixed. [21:07]
thestringpuller It's unreal. [21:07]
mircea_popescu well that's the only fucking end result when illiterate people get involved in "fixing" shit they didn't read. [21:07]
asciilifeform the unfortunate thing is that merely ignoring prb has not worked. now there is ecological cleanup work to be done. [21:07]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/jesus-fixed.jpg [21:08]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NbQft0 ) [21:08]
asciilifeform wai wut [21:09]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: exactly. and they probably are saying to themselves secretly "oh tmsr will fix it" [21:09]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: EXACTLY! [21:09]
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mircea_popescu !up ayn1k [21:17]
-assbot- You voiced ayn1k for 30 minutes. [21:17]
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adlai ;;later tell copypaste fwiw, I'm fully in favor of segregated witness being implemented and available for those who see fit to use it. the main problem is one of education; users need to understand that there's bitcoin, and there's anyonecanspend-witcoin [21:18]
gribble The operation succeeded. [21:18]
* adlai somehow doubts this alt will see more usage than pushcoin [21:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @#64; 0.00050271 = 3.2173 BTC [-] {2} [21:19]
mircea_popescu the demand for bitcoin usage from poor people remains scant. [21:20]
mircea_popescu what they like it for - to save in, as per http://trilema.com/2014/la-florida-and-other-places/#selection-109.0-109.542 - is readily satisfied by trb as it is. [21:21]
assbot La Florida and other places on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1mOvRnf ) [21:21]
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mircea_popescu hahaha check thios dude out : "Some of you may be aware of a project called "therealbitcoin" and some of its development history. Over the last few days I forked the project, dropped in the woodcoin genesis block, genesis merkle root, the skein woodcutting algorithm, the logarithmic supply curve, the relevant difficulty adjust parameters, and the magic header code:" [21:24]
mircea_popescu http://frass.woodcoin.org/fo-realz-woodcoin/ [21:24]
assbot fo-realz-woodcoin | Free your Frass ... ( http://bit.ly/1QYCsIq ) [21:24]
mircea_popescu "I stuck it on a github repo, which includes a tarball of the code with detached signature. You can also grab it as a vpatch with seal if you like. You might see some nodes reporting version 77777; that's what it will claim to be if you run it without modification." [21:25]
adlai mircea_popescu: this is because today, bitcoin is useless for poor people, and will remain so, without a reasonably reliable write-cache [21:26]
mircea_popescu not so. it is extremely useful : it allows them to save. [21:26]
mircea_popescu that is the only social function poor people actually need : a path out of poverty. [21:27]
adlai you must not have met any truly poor people, but that's to be expected i guess? [21:27]
mircea_popescu that bitcoin allows the poor a venue to actually accumulate capital is really all that matters, for the well being of the world generally. [21:27]
* adlai has friends who can't afford to save bitcoin, because they buy useless shit (incl drugs, and music, and fancy food, etc) instead of "paying themselves first" [21:27]
mircea_popescu adlai you're not belabouring under the misapprehension that i expect all to be saved, are you ? the point is not that. the point is for there to be a way for the scant few who don't belong there to save themselves. [21:28]
thestringpuller ^- this. so much this [21:28]
mircea_popescu the poor in all times and places belong on a conveyor belt towards a woodchipper. it is however very important to have a readily accessible door out of the tunnel, for any thinking folk who accidentally fell in. [21:28]
* adlai is belaboring under the apprehension that mircea_popescu may have never tried to personally convince somebody poor - incredibly so! - to hoard btc [21:28]
mircea_popescu i never convinced a woman to be my slave, either. [21:28]
mircea_popescu why would i ? [21:28]
mircea_popescu if it takes convincing her place's not here. [21:28]
adlai for their souls. [21:29]
mircea_popescu poor people have no souls. [21:29]
mircea_popescu incidentally, this seems a deeply ignored point, all sorts of okcupid chicks honestly expect they'll be entertained just because well... they exist. ridoinculous. [21:29]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: saw this on reddit and was surprised "Even 1000 euros feel too much to spent for a much needed new laptop instead of getting some BTC Am I mad?" to which someone replied "And this is why some economists fear Bitcoin -- as expenditures will become more sane. If that laptop made you much more productive, you would still choose to make that purchase rather than saving. But it seems you don't really need that new la [21:31]
danielpbarron mircea_popescu> adlai you're not belabouring under the misapprehension that i expect all to be saved << sounds like The Bible. [21:31]
* adlai wonders when btc lords last tried to thread needles! [21:32]
davout this whole chan sounds like the bible [21:32]
thestringpuller your nick is davout ! [21:32]
mircea_popescu this is a very valid point. through the presence of an actual save mechanism, insane expenditure becomes less tenable. this is actually not unrelated to the discussion re how "the world" aka western cragmire ends. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-11-2015#1325573 [21:33]
assbot Logged on 17-11-2015 01:21:47; mircea_popescu: if you can buy bitcoin on credit in the us and ARE NOT buying bitcoin on credit in the us, you are being raped by all the people who do. [21:33]
davout thestringpuller: like the general! [21:33]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller you're thinking "devout" [21:33]
adlai seriously though, it's an edifying exercise to try and convince self-professed "btc people" that it's not worth their time to convince "non-self-professed btc people" (by my words, this time) to save via btc [21:34]
* adlai maintains that bitcoin can and should survive via increasing adoption among decreasing number of people [21:34]
thestringpuller adlai: as danielpbarron said you can't convince someone to be saved [21:34]
adlai anybody who can make useful use of btc - has heard of it already. today. 2016., [21:34]
davout adlai: it's the same kind of stupidity you'll find in "oh, i'll give away some bitcoin for xmas" [21:34]
adlai the rest, as the new yorkers say, is theirstory. [21:34]
danielpbarron i went through that phase of telling everyone I see about bitcoin. It's pointless [21:35]
adlai thestringpuller: but therein lies the rub. everywhere you go, you'll meet the exception that proves this rule. [21:35]
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thestringpuller adlai: but wouldn't this mean that person had it "within themselves" to be saved in the first place? [21:36]
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thestringpuller if it wasn't you another missionary would have done the job. [21:36]
mircea_popescu adlai nobody's trying to convince anyone. i also don't go around watering holes in africa trying to convince the animals to drink./ [21:36]
danielpbarron yes, God causes all things and there is no will outside of His [21:36]
mircea_popescu they'll drink in their own good time. [21:36]
mircea_popescu adlai: it's the same kind of stupidity you'll find in "oh, i'll give away some bitcoin for xmas" << i maintain that my "give a little btc to eager young sluts" beats this "give a little more btc to people you know or are related to that don't want it" by a factor of infinity. [21:37]
adlai so? do i sit around lazy, waiting to instagram the next missionary's #btcConversionFail ? [21:37]
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adlai or try and help the poor idiots [21:37]
davout mircea_popescu: you're not giving it away [21:37]
* adlai is honestly troubled here :( [21:37]
mircea_popescu adlai if you can code, you can actually help the trb people. if you can't code, you can try an' help BingoBoingo, who's coinstantly asking. or else offend copypaste by rewriting trilema as best you can. or etc. [21:38]
davout in the sense "for nothing with the idea to infect others" [21:38]
mircea_popescu not like there isn't stuff to do. [21:38]
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mircea_popescu davout really ? because why, i'm short tits and they have economic utility ? [21:38]
danielpbarron you can also help me in Eulora :D [21:38]
mircea_popescu i'm giving it away exactly like "free education" is given away. [21:38]
danielpbarron and i'm completely serious there's paying work in there c'mon already people get an account [21:38]
mircea_popescu yeah totally, you can run an eulora client, desperate need for more noobs there. [21:38]
adlai mircea_popescu: where's your vpatch? do i need to open a bbet which of us makes one first? [21:38]
mircea_popescu didn't i make the genesis ?! [21:39]
adlai your mom genesised, you just talked from there [21:39]
adlai quoting = talking [21:39]
mircea_popescu no dude, the v patch genesis. [21:39]
adlai k [21:39]
mircea_popescu it's signed by people including me! [21:40]
adlai danielpbarron: how much does it pay in btc? [21:40]
davout there's a difference between giving something to someone who wants it, and giving something to someone who doesn't [21:40]
* adlai has other btc-denominated offers, starting tomorr,w ish? [21:40]
mircea_popescu this sliding scale business. what to x oh nevermind. [21:40]
mircea_popescu people suck at market. [21:40]
danielpbarron i can pay like 3 million for a night's work (that means you leave it crafting overnight) [21:41]
adlai are there open-source bots which i can read like you pretend to read the bible, and rape like mircea_popescu pretends to rape his slaves? [21:41]
thestringpuller nice. Eulora labor camps begin! [21:41]
adlai it's not a camp if the campers don't Exist [21:42]
mircea_popescu i think i'ma just use adlai to denote lazy from now on. [21:42]
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adlai mircea_popescu: i'll allow it. [21:42]
trinque !s tlp rape [21:42]
assbot 2 results for 'tlp rape' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tlp+rape [21:42]
danielpbarron adlai, are you saying I don't read the Bible? [21:42]
mircea_popescu now break out of this queergender feminized state where you imagine anyone cares to seduce you and go do some work. [21:42]
adlai no, i'm saying that i don't really reed anything, i just type and rant and occasionally change parameters [21:43]
adlai !down adlai [21:43]
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mircea_popescu no. he's saying that he's not getting enough attention at home. [21:43]
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thestringpuller mircea_popescu: i thought that's a problem for children not adults. [21:43]
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mircea_popescu well... it's a problem of people, it appears. you are born with a tank, and until it gets filled you're stuck working on filling it. normally it's full by about 12yo in males, but abnormally... [21:44]
thestringpuller what about for females? [21:44]
mircea_popescu it's not clear, but it may be the case that the mechanism is coopted in their sexual activity and becomes part of what drives child rearing. so they got a deliberate leak and it never fills. [21:45]
mircea_popescu in this sense the whole thing would be reminescent of how nipples work. [21:46]
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thestringpuller is there a thread on "generational WoT", when we are all old and gray who takes up the helm? [21:49]
mircea_popescu you kidding me, these doods be multiplyin' like rabbits. i think there's more b-a kids than there's b-a adults. [21:49]
mircea_popescu davout has two, mike has two, pete has iirc also two ? kakobrekla has like 6 or 7 or some high amount like that... [21:50]
mats O_O [21:50]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes was working on more, iirc mod6 has two too... [21:50]
ben_vulpes servility and submission go hand in hand, and are very important attributes for performing wifedom and motherhood well. [21:51]
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thestringpuller i love it. cryptofeudalism. [21:51]
mircea_popescu for the first few years at any rate. [21:52]
ben_vulpes and what takes over after that? [21:52]
mircea_popescu you'll scream yourself hoarse setting limits. with any luck. [21:52]
danielpbarron regression to the mean [21:52]
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kakobrekla wait what? [21:53]
mircea_popescu more dominant mother doesn't necessarily make worse mother (excepting for crazy outliers known in literature as schizogenic). it's true she has a tougher time for the first few years, but then once there's teenagers in the house... you'll love every cannon you got. [21:53]
kakobrekla #b-a are my kids [21:54]
mircea_popescu :) [21:55]
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mircea_popescu "December 19 2014 : DBD parameters set by Shane Kinney" ahaha cool. [22:06]
ben_vulpes has anyone ever seen something along the lines of "Need an operator in 'STATIC' (makefile.unix:12)" [22:07]
ben_vulpes while compiling trb either on various linux or an openbsd? [22:07]
asciilifeform achtung, panzerz!! [22:10]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: [22:10]
asciilifeform http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000191.html [22:10]
assbot [BTC-dev] Malleus Mikehearnificarum. ... ( http://bit.ly/1K7GR40 ) [22:10]
asciilifeform ^ currently in live fire on zoolag and dulap [22:10]
asciilifeform as of 5 min. ago. [22:10]
ben_vulpes ooo [22:10]
asciilifeform i wanted to do this ages ago, mircea_popescu finally prodded me. [22:11]
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asciilifeform already plenty of vermin crushed [22:14]
trinque neat [22:14]
asciilifeform aaaah this is beautiful [22:14]
ben_vulpes nm patched wrong thinger. [22:15]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: what didja think it were ? [22:15]
asciilifeform or is this re: earlier thread [22:16]
ben_vulpes my own thread. [22:16]
asciilifeform ah [22:16]
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ben_vulpes rather nifty, asciilifeform. [22:17]
asciilifeform remains to be seen [22:17]
asciilifeform traffic's gone through the floor. [22:17]
ben_vulpes i can't actually remember how 'misbehaving' works [22:17]
asciilifeform drops conn [22:18]
asciilifeform http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/net.cpp?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#0558 [22:18]
assbot Satoshi asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option/src/net.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1JEciIm ) [22:18]
ben_vulpes above a threshold? or for any value in that call? [22:18]
asciilifeform configurable, default==100 [22:18]
asciilifeform read ze code. [22:19]
ben_vulpes cool, thank you. [22:19]
ben_vulpes yes, have reread. [22:19]
* ben_vulpes operating under severe cognitive load [22:19]
asciilifeform whatcha doing, ben_vulpes ? [22:19]
ben_vulpes does this happen to anyone else? get sick, brain more or less stops working? [22:19]
asciilifeform me. [22:20]
asciilifeform for mebbe past year. [22:20]
ben_vulpes i installed a /thirty-two/ bit operating system over the past weekend. on a 64-bit box. [22:20]
trinque d'oh [22:20]
ben_vulpes only figured this out when i went to compile trb and got assembly errors. [22:20]
trinque yeah, I'm useless when sick for sufficient value of $sick [22:20]
ben_vulpes i was hallucinating gdb-many-buffers-mode last night [22:20]
ben_vulpes not pleasant [22:21]
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mircea_popescu actually you should be able to run 32 bit on a 64 bit box, neh ? [22:32]
mircea_popescu or did you make the os 32 and trb 64 ? [22:32]
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asciilifeform he said 'installed 32bit os' [22:33]
mircea_popescu yes ? [22:33]
ben_vulpes nearly all of the tooling on the ml and scattered throughout the logs assumes 64-bit compilation environments. [22:34]
mircea_popescu guess so huh. [22:34]
ben_vulpes i definitely didn't find any that didn't. [22:34]
asciilifeform actually rotor doesn't give a damn what you build on, so long as it is specified [22:34]
asciilifeform ditto target [22:34]
mircea_popescu i recall hav ing a 32 bit trb made to work at some point, but not the specifics [22:34]
asciilifeform build on nintendo, deploy on cray [22:35]
asciilifeform or vice-versa. [22:35]
ben_vulpes ;;later tell phf i'm still getting segfaults with your openbsd patch. care to look at bitcoind.core ? [22:35]
gribble The operation succeeded. [22:35]
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thestringpuller is linux no longer sane computing environment? when did this become an asylum >> same environment running on different machines has wildly different behavior [22:37]
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ben_vulpes interestingly enough the output from static_bitcoin_only.sh stops at "warning: warning: sprintf() is often misused, please use snprintf()" but then never runs the subsequent 'strip bitcoind' line in static_bitcoin_only.sh [22:37]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: there is such a thing as cpu arch. gotta build for the hardware you have. [22:38]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: wai wut?! where is there sprintf [22:38]
ben_vulpes is ben_vulpes perhaps using a stale tree?! [22:39]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: i meant in building up process/configuration. behaving like two different robots completely, rather than robot with different body running same brain [22:39]
ben_vulpes i believe that this tree came from a v pressing. [22:39]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: where in the code [22:39]
ben_vulpes src/uint256.h:289 [22:39]
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asciilifeform http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/search?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option&_filestring=&_string=sprintf << hm [22:40]
assbot Satoshi asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option general search: sprintf ... ( http://bit.ly/1kYOOlr ) [22:40]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1365773 << pogo is a 32-bit arm-v [22:43]
assbot Logged on 11-01-2016 01:32:44; mircea_popescu: i recall hav ing a 32 bit trb made to work at some point, but not the specifics [22:43]
ben_vulpes i still don't see how that error would cause the script to not run strip bitcoind [22:43]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: doesn't happen here [22:44]
asciilifeform possibly your gcc flags differ ? [22:44]
ben_vulpes !up adlai [22:44]
* assbot gives voice to adlai [22:44]
* adlai still doesn't understand why we're encouraging hardware uniformity [22:44]
asciilifeform adlai: which 'we' [22:44]
asciilifeform i wrote 'rotor', which lets you build for nintendo if you like. [22:45]
adlai !s pogo [22:45]
assbot 880 results for 'pogo' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pogo [22:45]
adlai we ^ [22:45]
asciilifeform adlai: find me another comp with GB ethernet and SATA that can be bought for under $20. [22:45]
asciilifeform with power brick. [22:45]
adlai call it a nintendo! call it a crescendo! stop telling people what to run/buy [22:45]
adlai let them spend a little more. let them scam an ISP off a half-decent-shitware-router. idc. [22:45]
adlai let's not all run the same brick. [22:46]
asciilifeform adlai: actually nobody is running pogo today [22:46]
adlai ++ [22:46]
asciilifeform at all. [22:46]
asciilifeform we never met the 128M target. [22:46]
* adlai just doesn't like monoculture, that's all. [22:46]
thestringpuller does pogo stay synched or does it lag behind? [22:46]
asciilifeform right now it's an x86 monoculture. [22:46]
asciilifeform which isn't any better. [22:46]
adlai oh we should strive to meet it, there's no reason not to. utxo-in-memory is retardation, nothing more to it. [22:46]
asciilifeform adlai: if you keep up with the ml - you will know that block index alone is >150M on warmup [22:47]
asciilifeform before a single tx lands in the pool [22:47]
adlai you don't need much of an index if you trust your own bloom filtration [22:47]
asciilifeform wai wut?!! [22:47]
trinque adlai just doesn't like monoculture, that's all. << it's not "monoculture"; it's mass production [22:48]
trinque propose a better way to get a large number of trb nodes in the wild [22:48]
asciilifeform adlai: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#0030 [22:48]
assbot Satoshi asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1kYPR4M ) [22:48]
adlai it's not mass production if some nonwot-shitshop craps them out by the chinafull [22:48]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i'm just using static_bitcoin_only.sh, where would i look for misconfigured gcc flags? [22:49]
adlai asciilifeform: do you know what a bloom filter is? you can set it arbitrarily paranoid... ie, more paranoid than ripemd160, which you're forced to use, because.. satoshi! [22:49]
asciilifeform adlai: not only do we not use hearn's bloom filter, but an hour ago i have banned anyone showing symptoms of doing so from connecting to my nodes. [22:50]
adlai k [22:50]
* adlai will have to implement his own, so it runs on his 'pogo' [22:50]
asciilifeform adlai can run whatever he likes ? [22:50]
adlai exactly [22:51]
* adlai must only write it... !down etc [22:51]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1365805 << incidentally, i surveyed all known routers on the market. all have severe ram constraint (very few better than pogo, costliest have perhaps 512m) and no sata, ever [22:53]
assbot Logged on 11-01-2016 01:43:46; adlai: let them spend a little more. let them scam an ISP off a half-decent-shitware-router. idc. [22:53]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: what does "Illegal Instruction" mean? [22:57]
thestringpuller it is my only clue here... [22:57]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: http://wiki.osdev.org/Exceptions#Invalid_Opcode [22:58]
assbot Exceptions - OSDev Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1RvsMp6 ) [22:58]
adlai fwiw utxo set size grows indefinitely, whatever the block size. someday it grows larger than the largest affordable RAM, even for mircea_popescus [22:58]
asciilifeform generally you will see this in trb if you built for $machine but you have $othermachine. [22:58]
* adlai always had a thing for premature optimisation [22:58]
trinque why would the utxo set always have to live in ram? [22:59]
adlai it doesn't!but for fast yet-spam-resistent block verification, you need fast utxo invalidhation [22:59]
adlai fast utxo invalidation is also achievable via wotification-of-everything [22:59]
adlai but do we really want to go full wottard? [23:00]
asciilifeform adlai: the latter is the only reasonable thing [23:00]
adlai but... do we really want to go full wottard? [23:00]
asciilifeform the 'general public' deserves ONE THING: to die in the sewers. [23:00]
asciilifeform if you want something - BE SOMEBODY. [23:00]
adlai meafar banu, leafar nakzor. [23:00]
adlai (this is more of an efficiency question than ethics... as i said - premature optimization) [23:01]
asciilifeform adlai: translation? [23:01]
adlai "any WoT can grow large enough to accomodate two people who wish to slit each others' throats" [23:02]
adlai oops, i meant - "from ashes we came, to dust we'll returnz" [23:02]
asciilifeform l0l [23:02]
asciilifeform hashes to hashes, dust to dust [23:03]
adlai !b 7 [23:03]
assbot Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/17QWX4T.txt ) [23:03]
adlai !down adlai [23:03]
* assbot has kicked adlai from #bitcoin-assets (Bye.) [23:03]
mircea_popescu sciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1365773 << pogo is a 32-bit arm-v << yeah that's the why. but it ran on a desktop. [23:05]
assbot Logged on 11-01-2016 01:32:44; mircea_popescu: i recall hav ing a 32 bit trb made to work at some point, but not the specifics [23:05]
asciilifeform i had a 32-bit build on (unreleased) 'rotolinux' [23:05]
asciilifeform (iso that booted to trb) [23:05]
asciilifeform it is trivial to make. [23:05]
asciilifeform (and of questionable use) [23:06]
mircea_popescu was training exercise. [23:06]
mats pogo is mega expensive now, just about one year following project inception [23:07]
mircea_popescu fwiw utxo set size grows indefinitely, whatever the block size. someday it grows larger than the largest affordable RAM, even for mircea_popescus <<< this was discussed here a number of times, actually. [23:08]
asciilifeform mats: http://www.amazon.com/Pogoplug-Private-Solution-Licenses-POGO-V4-A4-01/dp/B00776V3DI << $2 more [23:08]
assbot Amazon.com: Pogoplug Office Secure Private Cloud Solution with 5 User Licenses (POGO-V4-A4-01): Computers & Accessories ... ( http://bit.ly/1RvtP8w ) [23:08]
mircea_popescu sooo... it pleases me to announce that private testing shows alf's patch not only removes 80% of bullshit "nodes" trying to connect, but it also improves network thoroughput by a factor of about 700 [23:09]
mats asciilifeform: oh, didn't spot that in a search for 'pogoplug series 4' [23:10]
mircea_popescu i would strongly advise anyone using trb in production to at least test this patch. [23:10]
* asciilifeform just tested and got ~15 second tx propagation. [23:11]
mats asciilifeform: in fact, that doesn't look like a series 4 [23:11]
mats (which iirc is the one with sata dock) [23:11]
asciilifeform mats: says 4 [23:11]
mircea_popescu adlai> but do we really want to go full wottard? << stop with the "we", and yes we do. [23:12]
asciilifeform and the colour logo is not in the pic [23:12]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: trb compilation detects machine architecture when building right? so build on machine run on same machine. or do I have to configure some flag for the machine I'm compiling + running on? [23:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27500 @#64; 0.00050082 = 13.7726 BTC [+] {2} [23:13]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: absolutely not [23:13]
asciilifeform does not detect anything [23:14]
asciilifeform you gotta set it up!! [23:14]
mircea_popescu mats> pogo is mega expensive now, just about one year following project inception << fortunately we have a bunch stashed. [23:14]
mircea_popescu how much does it cost ? [23:14]
mircea_popescu ah n, [23:14]
mircea_popescu nm* [23:14]
asciilifeform and apparently mats is correct, http://blog.qnology.com/p/difference-between-pogoplug-mobile-and.html [23:16]
assbot Qui's techNOLOGY Blog: Difference between Pogoplug Mobile and Pogoplug Series 4 ... ( http://bit.ly/1kYTd7T ) [23:16]
asciilifeform the pogos i bought for conf-3 were POGO-V4-A3-01 [23:16]
asciilifeform the amazon link earlier is a POGO-V4-A4-01. [23:17]
asciilifeform the classical pogo (with sata) is now a full $10 more. [23:17]
mircea_popescu i guess we made some money on carried stock. [23:17]
BingoBoingo yea prb won't relay high-S due to bip-62 << Wasn't even a BIP, was a point update trivia [23:21]
* asciilifeform off to pet pet [23:22]
BingoBoingo this is how various novel antibacterials are 'designed'. << Designed by putting candidates in agar with potential targets and seeing if werx [23:24]
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mircea_popescu clearly bitbet lost a lot of confidence over the bitcoin-sucks debacle [23:28]
* mircea_popescu wonders if all these people were waiting on winnings to make more bets. [23:28]
mats degenerates [23:30]
BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1365659 << I tried this February 2013 at around $20/Bitcoin with a few IRL contacts. Most gambled everything to nothing, the other one lost theirs to a pnoHe blockchain.info wallet. [23:33]
assbot Logged on 11-01-2016 00:35:16; mircea_popescu: adlai: it's the same kind of stupidity you'll find in "oh, i'll give away some bitcoin for xmas" << i maintain that my "give a little btc to eager young sluts" beats this "give a little more btc to people you know or are related to that don't want it" by a factor of infinity. [23:33]
BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats [23:35]
gribble Current Blocks: 392749 | Current Difficulty: 1.0388034081545589E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 393119 | Next Difficulty In: 370 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 2 hours, 10 minutes, and 10 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [23:35]
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BingoBoingo already plenty of vermin crushed << Sweet [23:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @#64; 0.00050631 = 10.7338 BTC [+] {2} [23:41]
BingoBoingo PLS STAHP THE PM'S until I catch up on lawgs [23:41]
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thestringpuller BingoBoingo: Wasn't even a BIP, was a point update trivia << makes me wonder if there are nodes out there that malleate/fellate txs from high-s to low-s and rebroadcast [23:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26119 @#64; 0.00049836 = 13.0167 BTC [-] {3} [23:54]
BingoBoingo ^ currently in live fire on zoolag and dulap << Applied to my bastardized testbed [23:59]
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