Forum logs for 10 Feb 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
jurov maybe he meant carwash? [00:00]
mircea_popescu like a wife with multiple personality cazalla ? [00:00]
cazalla please just let me take solace in the one fucking thing my missus can do right [00:00]
mircea_popescu what's that, she pushes your buttons for you ? [00:00]
mircea_popescu jurov for lulz, masina = machine is how you say car in romanian. [00:01]
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mircea_popescu << bwahaha z80 strip poker ? [00:01]
BingoBoingo jurov: Commenting out that section of main.cpp you highlighted and making a junk public alert key turned into a build of 0.8.6 that's been running fine for about 20 hours nao [00:01]
assbot #239 - Return Without Gosub Error [00:01]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo, cazalla, other writery folks: anybody up for writing a basic likbez for the 'unified theory' of amplification attack as it applies not only to boring ddos but to gavincoin and in general to any system where some bozo can inflict cost C on you by spending c where c < C [00:02]
mircea_popescu hm. [00:02]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what z80. mos 6502. [00:03]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i haven't / don't intend to because a) anyone who can grasp the abstraction already knows it ; b) anyone likely to benefit from the description probably can't read. [00:03]
asciilifeform then nm [00:03]
asciilifeform 6502 >> reissued! >>,14557.html [00:04]
assbot Mouser Sells Classic 6502 "Antique" Processor [00:04]
mircea_popescu it's kinda what attrition wars are all about. [00:04]
BingoBoingo Mouser Sells Classic 6502 "Antique" Processor << If they cranked it to 1.5 GHz+ would be more excited [00:05]
asciilifeform why BingoBoingo wants a GHz 8bit cpu? [00:05]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Speed. [00:05]
BingoBoingo For some tasks bus size isn't such a big deal. [00:05]
jurov lol at 15nm process the die would prolly come out few micrometers across [00:06]
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BingoBoingo lol at 15nm process the die would prolly come out few micrometers across << Also this. [00:06]
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BingoBoingo Just imagine a palm sized box with rs-232 and the entire 1980's inside [00:06]
mircea_popescu size doesn't matter guise. [00:06]
kakobrekla only matters if you got a big one [00:07]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: It does when your need to breach the border with your contraband in your breech [00:07]
jurov WILL IT HASH? [00:07]
mircea_popescu hash it will! [00:08]
asciilifeform ;;bc,stats [00:08]
gribble Current Blocks: 342797 | Current Difficulty: 4.44554159623438E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 344735 | Next Difficulty In: 1938 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 10 hours, 9 minutes, and 13 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 51193758211.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 15.15753 [00:09]
mircea_popescu also not bad. [00:09]
assbot #243 - America's Testes Kitchen 1 [00:09]
asciilifeform 336094. [00:09]
mircea_popescu marinate all teh birds. [00:09]
kakobrekla +15, from where [00:09]
jurov from romania, haven't you heard about Mcoin machines? [00:10]
kakobrekla ah you mean mpcoin [00:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29032 @ 0.00039168 = 11.3713 BTC [-] [00:10]
mircea_popescu lol puh leaze. [00:11]
ben_vulpes also, the paywall on trilema is a) older than bitcoin and b) older than the new york time's. << how did you take payment before btc? [00:12]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes paypal, like everyone else. [00:12]
ben_vulpes goodness. [00:12]
jurov kakobrekla i meant this:ța-kovesi-dvs-stiati-ca-angajatii-dvs-se-ocupa-cu-frauda-pe-internet/ [00:13]
assbot Catre Ministerul Afacerilor Interne. In atentia d-lor Gheorghe Nicolae, Petre Toba, Bondar Marin si d-nei Laura Codruța Kövesi : Dvs stiati ca angajatii dvs se ocupa cu frauda pe Internet ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [00:13]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes i had a whole digg thing for the .ro market, ran on "credits", backed by paypal. [00:13]
mircea_popescu people could buy/sell them. [00:13]
mircea_popescu published monthly tops of ro blogs etc. [00:13]
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mircea_popescu !up bitcoinquestions [00:14]
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bitcoinquestions thanks man [00:14]
mircea_popescu dude, get reg'd already. [00:14]
bitcoinquestions reg'd? sorry I don't use IRC often [00:15]
mircea_popescu lately you do. and [00:15]
assbot first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] [00:15]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla : [00:16]
assbot Shooting Assbot - The air ride group Wiki [00:16]
mircea_popescu btw, someone edit that wiki page to reflect the assbot wotness ? who got perms ? [00:16]
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bitcoinquestions mircea_popescu: alright I'm on it, also you asked me what I thought of b-a before I got disconnected - it's a breath of fresh air from the mass stupidity [00:17]
ben_vulpes by the way, isn't it amusing how the_scourge got instanuked, but the outright derps keep getting upped? [00:17]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Who was that pauper on your blogroll with the great eMacs text. Debate tournament judging text finally cleared and I'm ready to splurge on paytext. [00:18]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes not THAT insta. [00:18]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: wasn't instant by any means, i ended up with a mile-long ninjasp4mz0r-style log from him [00:18]
mircea_popescu generally derpage doesn't get nuked until it becomes militantly stupid. bluemeanie got nuked earlier. [00:18]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: gonna need more hint [00:18]
ben_vulpes looked pretty fast from over here. [00:19]
ben_vulpes granted my neural filter kicked in pretty quickly, so my integral probably didn't wind up like yours. [00:19]
ben_vulpes yours' [00:19]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Last mention of him here you suggested might be acutely starving? Had a big guide to emacs. [00:19]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: xah lee [00:19]
ben_vulpes BigBitz: xah lee [00:19]
ben_vulpes BingoBoingo:** [00:19]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Thanks [00:20]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: the way it looked, mr moarspam was sent here specifically for me. (why? ask him) [00:20]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: blocksize-themed rather than cardano this time [00:20]
ben_vulpes what, you're the most easily suckered into epic privlogs [00:20]
asciilifeform quite possibly [00:20]
* asciilifeform plays with his food [00:20]
ben_vulpes i toy with my prey, but that's not the same thing. [00:21]
asciilifeform at any rate, the bozo went and chugged through most of my www in an effort to appear interested (it comically failed) [00:21]
asciilifeform for me, that was enough [00:21]
TheNewDeal So this is really Samuel Clemens' material? [00:22]
mircea_popescu i suppose this is actually a never-before encountered problem : text that has meaning! IN LAYERS! [00:22]
assbot Let us translate. From English to English. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [00:22]
mircea_popescu text that can actually not be textually reprocessed into usable text. [00:22]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal yes. [00:22]
mircea_popescu if you look at the link thrown around in here a coupla days ago when it was being discussed, has a bunch of bibliographical wankery i snipped. [00:23]
TheNewDeal That was some of the finest erotica Ive ever perused [00:23]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform in a meta sense, the way we write had been a wot all along. [00:23]
mircea_popescu poses exactly the same problems to the poser as the wot poses to the scammer. [00:23]
mircea_popescu not mechanically approachable. [00:24]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal the man was talentited. [00:24]
ben_vulpes ah come on the bibliographical stuff was great [00:24]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: are you chewing through "the complete works"? [00:25]
mircea_popescu mnope [00:25]
ben_vulpes o wait you're doing orwell. [00:25]
mircea_popescu atm im doing some old comic [00:25]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: orwell mentioned '1601' as 'unobtainable' [00:25]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i do recall this [00:25]
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decimation asciilifeform: how do you distinguish between 'usg agent' and 'derp who reads your website'? [00:28]
mircea_popescu he doesn't. [00:28]
decimation I guess in the end it doesn't much matter [00:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4000 @ 0.00085353 = 3.4141 BTC [+] {8} [00:29]
mircea_popescu this is like asking wyatt earp "how do you distinguish between the f brothers and stray dog" [00:29]
BingoBoingo decimation: I imagine his heuruistic is how they read his website [00:29]
decimation mircea_popescu: both fall into the category 'shoot'? [00:29]
asciilifeform decimation: very naked pattern of 'derp suddenly comes, with much apparent enthusiasm and piss-poor reading comprehension, interspersing hour of faux conv. with 'so why do you have any truck with bitcoin, it'll be obsolete and replaced with Modern Alternatives soon enough, and so many more interesting things around like Dark Enlightenment...' [00:30]
asciilifeform ' [00:30]
decimation ah google is going to drop SPDY and fully support HTTPbis [00:30]
assbot Chromium Blog: Hello HTTP/2, Goodbye SPDY [00:30]
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decimation asciilifeform: yeah he definitely exhibited that pattern. but my priors tend to 'random derp (maybe mr spam)' rather than 'usg agent' [00:31]
asciilifeform generic derps, in my experience, don't reliably snap back to one subject always [00:32]
ben_vulpes focus is expensive. [00:32]
asciilifeform and that subject is not usually block size [00:33]
BingoBoingo !b 3 [00:33]
asciilifeform four days (?) after the philippines thing [00:33]
assbot Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( ) [00:33]
asciilifeform also claimed to be working on a 'military' path to sovereign moldbuggistan, which screams 'provocateur' [00:34]
decimation heh it would be amusing to get 'premium content' trolls here [00:34]
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BingoBoingo also claimed to be working on a 'military' path to sovereign moldbuggistan, which screams 'provocateur' << I don't get very many of these. You FBI file must be thicker than mine. [00:35]
BingoBoingo Or else more urgent [00:36]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: that was my first such [00:36]
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decimation [00:40]
assbot ... ( ) [00:40]
decimation "Draft resistance is at an all-time high: a mere 6 percent of those called up have reported voluntarily. This has forced the Kiev authorities to go knocking on doors – where they are met either with a mass of angry villagers, who refuse to let them take anyone, or else ghost towns where virtually everyone has fled. In the Transcarpathia region of western Ukraine, entire villages have been emptied, the inhabitants fleeing to Russia [00:40]
decimation to wait out the war – or the fall of the Kiev regime, whichever comes first. " [00:40]
decimation lol, apparently the ukranians are fleeing the russian invaders by fleeing to ... russia [00:40]
decimation " In a Facebook post that was quickly deleted, Defense Minister Stepan Poltorak wrote: “According to unofficial sources, hostels and motels in border regions of neighboring Romania are completely filled with draft dodgers.” P" [00:41]
decimation wonder how many lei it takes to get the local romaninan police to 'overlook' your immigration [00:42]
asciilifeform per orlov's analysis, kiev is summoning draftees not to fight and win, but to 1) create 'humanitarian' wank in the hope of usg assistance (georgia gambit) 2) forcibly burn bridges for the conscripted men (the idea being, they've fired on the east and 'must' fight to the death) [00:42]
decimation the local villagers, not being entirely stupid, want neither to die as nato puppet nor at the hands of ru army [00:43]
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asciilifeform at any rate, usg is winning there - in its traditional objective of creating an open, gangrenous wound (rather than 'winning' in the usual sense of the word) [00:44]
BingoBoingo Transndstria [00:45]
decimation moldbug would say that this wound provides infinite employment for nulands [00:45]
asciilifeform not only. [00:45]
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asciilifeform to the whole spectrum, 'red', 'blue', whatevers. [00:45]
ben_vulpes heh it would be amusing to get 'premium content' trolls here << didja ever meet tiberius? [00:48]
decimation no I don't think so [00:48]
ben_vulpes he was top notch. [00:49]
decimation who would bother trolling us? the chances of some derp changing anyone's opinion on matters here seems pretty low [00:49]
ben_vulpes tib was never much for changing opinions [00:50]
ben_vulpes irc judo, more like it [00:51]
ben_vulpes roll you in on point a, before you know it you're knees deep in c d e and q [00:51]
ben_vulpes sadly, got banned. even mircea_popescu couldn't out-chat him. [00:52]
BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats [00:54]
ben_vulpes << decent entrypoint [00:54]
assbot Logged on 05-05-2013 16:23:25; cads: tiberius, and if that's true, then I salute you [00:54]
gribble Current Blocks: 342801 | Current Difficulty: 4.44554159623438E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 344735 | Next Difficulty In: 1934 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 9 hours, 32 minutes, and 18 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 51100598845.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 14.94797 [00:54]
BingoBoingo lol machine translation [00:55]
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BingoBoingo << This happened quickly [00:58]
assbot Issues · reyk/httpd · GitHub ... ( ) [00:58]
ben_vulpes [01:00]
assbot 631 results for 'tiberiusiv' - #bitcoin-assets search [01:00]
ben_vulpes for the historians. [01:00]
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ben_vulpes asciilifeform might find some interesting strange in those depths. [01:00]
BingoBoingo Another Mr Spam in the wild [01:02]
assbot 'Re: OK... how dare you both even to not publish patches...' - MARC [01:02]
BingoBoingo Seriously check 's email sig out there: "Please note: The information contained in this message may be legally privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure..." Sig on a public mailing list [01:03]
ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: well now you've incremented his linkweight. good job. [01:04]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Actually I've done the opposite [01:04]
ben_vulpes at least robert viragh and the_minor_pestilence had the good sense to not leave a crumbtrail [01:04]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: There's actually more, uglier crumbtrail. [01:06]
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ben_vulpes from which spamzor? [01:06]
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ben_vulpes !up bitcoinquestions [01:07]
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ben_vulpes mas? [01:07]
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BingoBoingo See comments here ben_vulpes [01:08]
assbot Two New Kernel Errata [01:08]
Guest85903 hmm [01:08]
Guest85903 I ahve to message instantly? [01:08]
BingoBoingo hello Guest85903 [01:08]
Guest85903 -_- [01:08]
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BingoBoingo !up Guest85903 [01:09]
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BingoBoingo Guest85903: Who are you again? [01:09]
ben_vulpes Guest85903: you gotta auth within ~30secs [01:09]
Guest85903 bitcoinquestions [01:09]
Guest85903 i'm working on setting up all the shit in the wiki [01:10]
BingoBoingo Guest85903: If you set up Xchat (or any other client) with SASL it will auth you with nickserve automatically in time [01:10]
ben_vulpes Guest85903: you may want a better handle than bitcoinquestions [01:11]
BingoBoingo Except for midsession disconnections [01:11]
Guest85903 lmao [01:11]
Guest85903 bitcoinanswers maybe [01:11]
BingoBoingo Guest85903: You know... if you have Bitcoin in you personal name people take you less seriously. That's why bitcoin_pete seriously considered moving his identity to MooseCocks [01:12]
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Guest85903 Whereas if your name is BingoBoingo you get taken very seriously? [01:13]
BingoBoingo Anyways 6 of the right months of history is prolly the minimum to be caught up on the -Stable branch of the channel conversation. Having answers... Maybe 12-24 months? [01:13]
BingoBoingo Guest85903: History. Originally it was BingoBongo, but kakobrekla convinced me this was better. [01:14]
BingoBoingo Because time passes this is now my real name. [01:14]
BingoBoingo And sometimes I am a bit startled when people use my slave name. [01:14]
lobbes BingoBoingo: not reference to that song 'civilisation' is it? [01:15]
BingoBoingo lobbes: No idea what that is. [01:16]
Guest85903 alright fuck it [01:16]
BingoBoingo Guest85903: The important part of a "Name" though is that it is now a textual match for another concept. [01:16]
Guest85903 What do you mean? [01:17]
BingoBoingo My gibberish name, fine name. mircea_popescu being the Romanian equivalent of John Smith fine. "Cocksmoker404" is limiting. [01:17]
BingoBoingo Because Cocksmoker404 conveys a meaning in its text. [01:17]
BingoBoingo Other text attached to that name is going to on a quick read get a context attached to it. [01:18]
danielpbarron Guest85903, just use the name that your mother and father gave you; honor them. [01:18]
Guest85903 hmm [01:21]
Guest85903 difficult choice [01:21]
lobbes perfect: Difficult_Choice [01:22]
BingoBoingo !b 3 [01:22]
Guest85903 lmao [01:22]
assbot Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( ) [01:22]
Guest85903 alright brb [01:25]
Guest85903 bitcoinquestions --> whaack please up! me when I get back [01:26]
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mircea_popescu omfg i step out for pie, i come back, all the lines out of whack! [01:29]
* asciilifeform repaired an early 1980s soviet alarm clock today. [01:30]
* BingoBoingo got a new SSD in the mail today. Damn that fucker is thin. [01:30]
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mircea_popescu decimation: ah google is going to drop SPDY and fully support HTTPbis << if any of teh strategic minds in attendance care to explain this to me i'd apprecfiate it [01:33]
mircea_popescu wtf are they thinking ? [01:33]
mircea_popescu !up whaack [01:33]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: focus is expensive. << he is on to something. [01:33]
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BingoBoingo decimation: ah google is going to drop SPDY and fully support HTTPbis << if any of teh strategic minds in attendance care to explain this to me i'd apprecfiate it << SPDY was Google so Open it is closed HTTP replacement no one else needed [01:35]
BingoBoingo No idea if HTTP2 is worse or not, but prolly at least as bad [01:35]
whaack ;;eregister A31A30AA659AB67C [01:35]
gribble (eregister ) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key with . is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will (1 more message) [01:35]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo nah, moar like http 2 is basically a rushed "let's reimplement spdy" [01:35]
mircea_popescu whaack do it with assbot tho. [01:35]
whaack ;;eregister whaack A31A30AA659AB67C [01:35]
gribble Error: This key already registered in the database. [01:35]
whaack fuck [01:36]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Or they were cooked different places and Google didn't get the tug on its leash early enough [01:36]
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whaack I added the key for another handle is there anyway to remove it? [01:36]
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BingoBoingo whaack: Have you considered the "literal" nuclear option? [01:37]
mircea_popescu !up ihb [01:37]
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mircea_popescu if you didn't get teh email, ask for another one. [01:37]
IHB <+mircea_popescu> [01:37]
IHB i got it [01:37]
mircea_popescu and look in your mailserver logs see wtf is ahppening [01:37]
IHB i sent you the coin [01:37]
mircea_popescu ah k [01:37]
IHB whew [01:37]
whaack ;;eregister whaack 54D96EEE73C04299 [01:37]
gribble Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid. [01:37]
IHB dude. i really want to get into WOT [01:37]
IHB as soon things settle down with my team. i am gonna do it [01:38]
mircea_popescu "where they are met either with a mass of angry villagers, who refuse to let them take anyone" so czar's army, this. [01:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41950 @ 0.00040344 = 16.9243 BTC [+] [01:38]
whaack ;;eregister whaack 54D96EEE73C04299 [01:38]
gribble Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid. [01:38]
mod6 whaack: you can pm gribble too. [01:38]
whaack apolagies [01:38]
mircea_popescu decimation: " In a Facebook post that was quickly deleted, Defense Minister Stepan Poltorak wrote: “According to unofficial sources, hostels and motels in border regions of neighboring Romania are completely filled with draft dodgers.” << this is true. romania took in like 50k refugees. [01:39]
mod6 np [01:39]
mircea_popescu being kept under wraps because whatever, can't go out saying the us caused a war atrocity and a refugee wave. [01:39]
decimation are the romanians pissed about the extra ukrainians? [01:40]
mircea_popescu decimation: wonder how many lei it takes to get the local romaninan police to 'overlook' your immigration << it's a civilised country. if you don't break the law they don't care. if you show up at the border without proper paperwork you get fined 500 lei (~100 euro) and generally forbidden to reenter for 5 years. [01:40]
mircea_popescu nah. [01:40]
mircea_popescu this entire "don't let people in" is purely a welfare state thing. romania is not one. [01:41]
decimation so the romanian government explictly granted this refugee status? [01:41]
mircea_popescu nah. [01:41]
mircea_popescu as above :) [01:41]
decimation my understanding is that ukrainians have all been granted russian citizenship anyway, if they choose to use it [01:42]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: he was top notch. << not really. too much anger. [01:43]
decimation if I were some derp in a ukrainian village I think I would be on the way to whatever frontier I could manage [01:43]
mircea_popescu decimation you gotta understand, europe is europe. think texas during the 1800s, mix-y. [01:43]
mircea_popescu decimation but you are that, in that situation, and you're sitting put :) [01:44]
decimation heh perhaps [01:44]
mircea_popescu what, you think ukrainian peasant has no material or emotional properties ? just because you discount them as alien doesn't make them go away. [01:44]
mircea_popescu he loves his oak. [01:44]
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decimation aye, I can see that [01:44]
decimation but the threat of dying for that oak has become quite real [01:45]
mircea_popescu actually arond there, from say vienna to about moscow, people are fucking fixated on the soil. [01:45]
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decimation multi-generational farms and the like? [01:45]
IHB people in india kill each other all the time over less than an oak tree [01:45]
mircea_popescu multi in the sense of 50. [01:45]
decimation in the us, people are so mobile that they hardly have any loyalty to the soil [01:46]
decimation some are, but they are rare [01:46]
mircea_popescu yeah well i tell you something, nobody who knew me in a pervious life ever imagined i'd leave cluj. [01:46]
IHB <+decimation> in the us, people are so mobile that they hardly have any loyalty to the soil < this more true as every day passes [01:46]
BingoBoingo actually arond there, from say vienna to about moscow, people are fucking fixated on the soil. << Amazing how in spite of it mostly being a source of minable lead Ozark folk are still more fixated on their soil [01:46]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [01:46]
mircea_popescu it was a joke for up until the plane left. [01:46]
BingoBoingo <+decimation> in the us, people are so mobile that they hardly have any loyalty to the soil < this more true as every day passes << Less mobile every week [01:46]
mircea_popescu less mobile more alabama ? :D [01:47]
asciilifeform in usa, it's jobs/professions more than 'soil' [01:47]
BingoBoingo in usa, it's jobs/professions more than 'soil' << Only because you are on the east left coast [01:47]
BingoBoingo less mobile more alabama ? :D << More sweet home alabama, less freebird [01:48]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: sadly, got banned. even mircea_popescu couldn't out-chat him. << gtfo that's so totally not what happened. [01:48]
IHB i lived in louisiana for a while and we went to bama all the time [01:48]
IHB i like better than here in LA [01:48]
mircea_popescu i think i have a pic of me in mobile. [01:48]
IHB did you smell the pulp from the factory in mobile? [01:49]
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mircea_popescu < there we go. [01:49]
assbot Fire in Alabama, let's make the most of it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [01:49]
IHB hey <+mircea_popescu> why did they suspend your twitter account? how do you get suspended but ISIS is allowed to troll away [01:49]
mircea_popescu IHB actually no, there was a strike or something. they weren't going. [01:49]
mircea_popescu IHB i killed some derp. [01:49]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: You fucked a fort in mobile. Full of nubile ROLL TIDE cheerleaders, or at least that will be the legend in 2145 [01:50]
mircea_popescu lol wut. [01:50]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: You for get the weather that erodes civilization... time. [01:51]
lobbes in usa, it's jobs/professions more than 'soil' << aye, this is what binds me. This mouse-trap cheese is so tasty [01:52]
mircea_popescu lobbes you and... all the usians here pretty much. [01:52]
lobbes maybe can get some before it slams down [01:52]
mircea_popescu say, y;all know the aesop fable of the fat mouse ? [01:52]
IHB <+mircea_popescu> too bad. his derp friends probably spent more money on his funeral than he would have derping away [01:52]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Trilema reflects you were in Alabama. When trends on reddit change suddenly they will say you fucked all of the Bama cheerleraders in a heroic battle agaisnt Condie Rice [01:52]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i can't recall who i fucked in mobile. [01:53]
mircea_popescu it's kinda hazy at this point. [01:53]
asciilifeform << obligatory [01:53]
asciilifeform ^ legendary [01:53]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: And the fanfic crowd will on that doubt rewrite history. [01:53]
whaack So going back to my bitcoinquestion spree - do you guys believe the conversation in /r/bitcoin is controlled by a few people with many accounts directing an unnatural conversation? [01:54]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what is this, the bitcoin jesus ? [01:54]
mod6 asciilifeform: pretty long bumper sticker [01:54]
BingoBoingo whaack: To an extent, largely controlled by systemic failures in reddits mode of failing to social means [01:54]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: to this day i have no idea. originally found it some time in '99, i think. appears to be inspired by one of the 'leptin knockout' experimental mice [01:55]
mircea_popescu srother is pretty fucking pissed. [01:55]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Prototype knockout mice often get extreme obesity or cancer for their compelled bravery. [01:56]
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mircea_popescu Guest85903: i'm working on setting up all the shit in the wiki << this really should be in the bash lol [01:56]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: didja know, mouse farming makes bitcoin mining look tame both re: profit (in fiat terms at least) and risk [01:56]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: ten thousand $maxint custom mice can croak overnight [01:57]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: Except for midsession disconnections << xchat irssi and all others can be config'd to not autoreconnect. so you can handle manually./ [01:57]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well... Mice are awfully fragile. Especially when $maxint is spent knocking out something that was important [01:57]
asciilifeform esp. then. [01:57]
asciilifeform but, interestingly, even 'standard' mice. [01:58]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform someone in biotech had this sad story a while back about a lost farm. i had one too [01:58]
mircea_popescu uh wait. it was you wasn;'t it [01:58]
asciilifeform possibly. [01:58]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo: Except for midsession disconnections << xchat irssi and all others can be config'd to not autoreconnect. so you can handle manually./ << Working on a online machine migration in the near future. [01:58]
* asciilifeform not directly involved with mouse farming at any point [01:58]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform someone in biotech had this sad story a while back about a lost farm. i had one too << Was this the lab flooded in the hurricaine? [01:58]
mircea_popescu my memory fails me. [01:59]
mircea_popescu mebbe it was bugpowder [01:59]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron: Guest85903, just use the name that your mother and father gave you; honor them. << not a bad principle. [02:00]
whaack yeah [02:00]
whaack <-based on my name [02:01]
BingoBoingo whaack: Are you a winkelvii? [02:01]
mircea_popescu im waiting for the first Carmen_Beercunt [02:02]
whaack Yeah the shorter brother who they wouldn't let in the film :( [02:02]
BingoBoingo whaack: When did Yall move to San Jose? [02:02]
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BingoBoingo Or is it a VPN? [02:02]
whaack I'm using a VPN [02:03]
BingoBoingo Ah [02:03]
whaack Because when I don't and I join this channel my internet cuts out for 30 fucking minutes [02:03]
whaack Seriously made me wanna kill something [02:03]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu> im waiting for the first Carmen_Beercunt << If I make my escape to the Phillipines to scoope up a handful of Azn wives I'll name the second this [02:04]
mircea_popescu i think you name their spawn, not them themselves. [02:04]
mircea_popescu whaack get a cloak. [02:04]
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BingoBoingo !up whaack [02:05]
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whaack mircea_popescu: A cloak is a VPN no? I have one now [02:05]
mircea_popescu whaack you can go in #freenode ask for a cloak [02:06]
BingoBoingo whaack: Nah a cloak is freenode masking your VPN [02:06]
whaack ah okay [02:06]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: [02:07]
assbot The Perry Bible Fellowship [02:07]
BingoBoingo Oh, look at Gawker Media try to infring on Trilema territory [02:08]
assbot An Exceedingly Polite Beginner's Guide To Anal Sex [02:08]
mircea_popescu lol running out of femtalk ? [02:09]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Prolly? [02:09]
BingoBoingo Then again this is the "polite" guide [02:10]
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BingoBoingo Go to permalink [02:12]
BingoBoingo Did this start as a submission to Ask A Clean Person? [02:12]
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chanserv OP #bitcoin-assets [02:12]
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asciilifeform ^ what is this [02:12]
BingoBoingo Go to permalink [02:12]
BingoBoingo In a sort of roundabout way it did. Kind of a combination of a horror story that was deemed too gross to run in AaCP's former home and some recent questions left in the comments of the bedwetting post. [02:12]
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mircea_popescu derp. [02:12]
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asciilifeform penalty! [02:12]
mircea_popescu ya srsly. [02:12]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo xx btc to kako beer fund [02:13]
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mircea_popescu LEARN HOW TO KBD NOOB [02:13]
mircea_popescu !up BingoBoingo [02:13]
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mircea_popescu oh i thought you had made an infinity paste. [02:14]
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BingoBoingo !up Sorry, was playing with Emacs as a manager for my pasta buffers. In over my head. [02:14]
mircea_popescu that thing when you notice an event that's been announced weeks ago that nobody is going to go to, declare you're going and within six hours everyone's going and teh oirganizer emailed to thank you. twice. [02:15]
whaack What's the best way to break through the I-have-no-trust catch 22 [02:16]
BingoBoingo e9e17fb4b3d7f044c329464497b47f3d9ee0facf9b699d05d54f18fdd46f3b0b [02:16]
mircea_popescu whaack not being stupid usually yields some mercy 1's. also doing something useful. [02:17]
BingoBoingo whaack: Well, where are you located? [02:17]
whaack NYC [02:17]
BingoBoingo Ouch [02:17]
mircea_popescu did we have anyone we needed whacked in nyc ? [02:18]
whaack financial capital of the world! [02:18]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Preet seems to whack himself pretty well [02:18]
mircea_popescu he's not italian even. [02:19]
mircea_popescu who the fuck';s gonna bother with him. [02:19]
whaack mircea_popescu: was the pun on my name intentional? [02:20]
mircea_popescu no, i often speak biaccident. [02:20]
BingoBoingo !b 2 [02:20]
assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( ) [02:20]
BingoBoingo who the fuck';s gonna bother with him. >> [02:21]
assbot #089 - Boys Night Out [3 of 4] ... ( ) [02:21]
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*hanboti* ahahaha [02:24]
*hanboti* nice [02:24]
BingoBoingo !up Vexual [02:24]
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Vexual Whilst strolling thru some summer city [02:25]
danielpbarron whaack, hey neighbor! I'm in CT [02:25]
whaack nice :) [02:26]
Vexual Met a girl very wall-eyed and pretty [02:26]
whaack what part? [02:26]
danielpbarron shoreline [02:26]
danielpbarron more towards the NYC side at the moment [02:27]
Vexual Her backdoor was ajar [02:29]
whaack alrightie well I'm out thanks for the help with setting up the WoT shit [02:29]
Vexual So I slammed the thing hard [02:29]
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Vexual Now her eyes are aligned mores the pity [02:30]
Vexual Anyone got a selenim guy? I wanna get loaded [02:30]
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mod6 Vexual: selenium? [02:34]
Vexual Err whats that load testing suite of trickiness? [02:35]
Vexual More a motel room I guess [02:36]
mod6 selenium doesn't really do perf testing if that's what you're looking for. it mainly can just drive through html like a browser. [02:36]
Vexual Perf testing? [02:36]
Vexual Ah [02:37]
mod6 performance [02:37]
Vexual Yes [02:37]
mod6 there's jmeter for load testing, but it bites, mainly. and it's scripting sucks even more. [02:37]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Disney just scored another victory today agaisnt the persistent lack of 'Murican culture [02:37]
assbot Spider-Man is now a part of Marvel's Cinematic Universe | The Verge [02:38]
mod6 it's a free tool. other perf testers can get expensive. *shrug* [02:38]
Vexual Whats selenium for then? A cheaper version of 10k iphones? [02:41]
mod6 selenium lets you automate fuctional testing of a http framework -- you can use it to drive through a website, click on stuff, fill out forms, etc. [02:42]
mod6 *functional [02:42]
Vexual Neato [02:47]
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Vexual Bb I saw some mall managers measuring shopfronts for glossiness ignoring the knock off asian disney shit in the centre of their center [02:52]
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Vexual Peripheral vision [02:53]
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scoopbot New post on by cazalla: [02:58]
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BingoBoingo ;;google Tony Larussa eye herpes [03:32]
gribble Doctor Writes That Pinkeye Is Most Certainly Not To Blame For Tony ...: ; La Russa's shingles are tough opponent : Sports: [03:32]
cazalla BingoBoingo, beat ya to it [03:33]
BingoBoingo Ah [03:33]
cazalla well, landed on the wikipedia page first [03:34]
BingoBoingo [03:36]
assbot Anybody know how I can stop systemd /var/log/journal from filling ever partition it's in? [03:36]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo by taking it off ? [03:58]
BingoBoingo Well one way. [03:58]
BingoBoingo !up Vexual [03:59]
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Vexual Or send it somewhere unique [04:03]
Vexual !s horse outside [04:04]
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Vexual $hit [04:05]
Vexual Now I can use kakos bucket shop [04:07]
mircea_popescu i find it quite amusing how gavin's 5th column are trying to turn their laughable defeat around into a sort of victory along the lines of "well we can';t have what we want, and that's okay as long as you admit democratic process". [04:08]
mircea_popescu somethingm along the lines of [04:09]
assbot I checked with Carol at the mini-golf hut and no pants were found on the fence. [04:09]
Vexual Lol [04:09]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: They are 'Murican and can't distinguish consent and consensus [04:09]
mircea_popescu "Regardless of whether you waive the fine or not, and despite conditional terms added to reassert authority", that sort of stuff, "it doesn't matter which way it goes as long as you accept our framing of the issues" [04:09]
mircea_popescu sort of bullshit. whenever you run into it you can be pretty sure you've run into an usg nest, it's like the fox scent and the fox. [04:10]
mircea_popescu at any rate : they can't have that much. bitcoin is NOT a democracy. votes DO NOT count. in fact, votes are squarely irrelevant in this matter. [04:10]
Vexual ! Baidu horse outside [04:11]
BingoBoingo [04:12]
Vexual Whats happening in Ukraine? I've limited bandwidth [04:13]
Vexual Qntra got a world affairs tab yet? [04:16]
BingoBoingo Ish [04:17]
Vexual ? [04:17]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo aww, and all this time spend claiming it was teh russians! [04:27]
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mircea_popescu Naphex: lmao. that ByExpress scam is insanely funny and totally retarded << teh accent lol. &teh mouthbreather speech speed... [08:37]
Naphex mircea_popescu: apparently they are official google partners as well :O [08:37]
Naphex i'm just amazed. that people will "invest" that high amount and do zero dilligence [08:38]
mircea_popescu every half serious mfa spammer has that. [08:38]
Naphex [08:38]
assbot ByXpress la Arad ... ( ) [08:38]
Naphex thing is this guys seem to be starting from local, so basicly ruining any market [08:38]
Naphex is this the early stages, or just selectively picking idiots? [08:39]
mircea_popescu mlm is mostly idiots pretending. sort-of like reddit. [08:40]
punkman "Am I still using the bot? I've actually turned it off for now. Admittedly, it worked too well and started to conflict with work." [08:40]
assbot Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces ... ( ) [08:40]
Naphex do they get busted? they use real names I assume [08:40]
Naphex and essentialy just defraud their aquantances when it busts? [08:41]
punkman acquaintances, family, whoever [08:41]
mircea_popescu Naphex yes, it's what one of these things is, "con your family and friends". [08:42]
mircea_popescu "they won't give you money directly ? that's fine, trick them into giving it to us! " [08:42]
Naphex yeah but they just send it upwards [08:42]
Naphex which is even more retard it [08:42]
mircea_popescu as average iq keeps dropping and average intelligence drops with the square of the iq, and as complexity increases like a fucking cube of time or something, there's bound to be more and more of these. [08:43]
mircea_popescu when i was 18, the average 18 yo could support himself. [08:44]
mircea_popescu now im 35 and the average 35 yo CAN NOT support himself. [08:44]
mircea_popescu kinda why defranchising of most of the population / having money and resources controlled by a tiny minority / having most people live in ever larger harems, as ever more abject slaves of whoever's brain still works is unavoiable. [08:45]
mircea_popescu this is the case for it : people of average intelligence are not actually smart enough to survive. [08:46]
mircea_popescu and you can't you know, "make everything illegal so idiots have a chance". it will be tried, obviously, but with no expectation of working to any degree. [08:47]
chetty Have people actually gotten dumber or has the world just gotten more complex? [08:47]
mircea_popescu people have factually gotten dumber. AND the world has got more complex. [08:47]
mircea_popescu something like smart = Cx / t^2 while complexity = Cy + a t ^ 3 [08:48]
mircea_popescu clearly smart/complexity -> inf. [08:48]
mircea_popescu -> 0 * [08:49]
mircea_popescu (the reason one can be ^ -2 while the other is at ^ 3 is the hugeness of population : you only need one guy to push complexity up. so in this sense, lower population is in fact insurance against decreasing average life quality) [08:50]
chetty well the time between your 18 and 35 is not enough for actual species change, so its environmental ? [08:50]
mircea_popescu but megatrends may well be observable in a short interval even if they are not in fact contained in that interval. [08:51]
punkman re: 10m people, what kind of world can you run on that considering current complexity? [08:51]
mircea_popescu if some drunk driver loses control over vehicle at t=0, goes over embankment at t = 1.8s and explodes at t = 3.5s, [08:52]
mircea_popescu it will be BECAUSE he lost control, but the losing of control would have happened long before [08:52]
mircea_popescu punkman depends how you select them. if well selected, something pretty cool i imagine. like, a world in which nobody is going to spam. [08:52]
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* mircea_popescu points to because it's illustrative of the concept. a global village is probably better than the current metastatic urban sprawl. [08:53]
assbot Anonimity, or the urban versus rural dispute. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [08:53]
mircea_popescu imagine a web without all the idiotic "web start-ups". [08:54]
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chetty may not be that far off, if us declares it public utility [08:54]
mircea_popescu no further need for makework jobs, no more government crapolade, etc. [08:54]
mircea_popescu the need for police, for instance, is a strict function of population density. places with < 1 person / sqkm do not need any police. [08:55]
mircea_popescu !up CoraCrisT [08:58]
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CoraCrisT thanks, Mircea [08:59]
mircea_popescu cheers. [08:59]
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mircea_popescu punkman "''a giant theft machine,'' moving billions illegally around the world, engaged in financing the heroin trade, tax fraud and wound up bilking innocent investors of at least $50 million." << the substance of unsubstantiated journalism. [09:03]
mircea_popescu "he was a drug lord and thief, moving many thousands of dollars and running an unpaid bill of at least 50 bux" [09:04]
punkman mircea_popescu: downsizing would of course remove large swaths of complexity/scarcity, but I was thinking if "global village", how many people do we need so I can have computer and underwater fiber network, 10m doesn't sound like enough [09:06]
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mircea_popescu punkman robots. [09:06]
mircea_popescu you don't seriously imagine that "people" out and about are in fact efficient ? [09:06]
punkman doesn't take much to feed them [09:07]
mircea_popescu currently you have machinery that can cut up, melt and re-set the asphalt. much like a sort of "3d printer for roads", really. [09:07]
mircea_popescu the only reason it's not automated ? roads aren't straight. and that is because ? [09:08]
mircea_popescu take out 99.85% of the population, suddenly roads can be straight np. [09:08]
CoraCrisT :))))))))) [09:08]
chetty no more cities ... everyone lives in the country on their own estates? [09:09]
mircea_popescu global VILLAGE. [09:09]
CoraCrisT and this is how you become the favorite architect of every dictator in the world [09:09]
punkman friend wanted to buy one of those, but local council wasn't gonna fire 12 man-crew [09:09]
mircea_popescu exactly. [09:09]
mircea_popescu no more need for make work jobs ? robots. [09:09]
mircea_popescu i seriouslydon't see why anyone would be laying optic fibre by hand. [09:09]
mircea_popescu and we actually have the technoogy to make the robots work together and automatically [09:10]
CoraCrisT becouse as a cable company, we pledge to offer jobs ;)) [09:10]
mircea_popescu much like that vacuum cleanner manages to keep the house clean [09:10]
mircea_popescu what's it called. the little derpy robot guy [09:10]
punkman hard to replace human repairman with robot currently [09:10]
mircea_popescu only because so dense. [09:11]
CoraCrisT hmm.. i would disagree [09:11]
mircea_popescu once space no longer such a constraint, very easy to do. [09:11]
CoraCrisT robots are pretty capable of diagnosis and automated repairs [09:11]
punkman because human can do things robot can't, even if it has a brain to remote-control it [09:11]
mircea_popescu there's no doubt in my mind that the "every fuckhead's sacred, god needs every one" current mantra is headed the same way monty python saw catholicism go. [09:11]
CoraCrisT also robots can do things humans can`t [09:11]
mircea_popescu punkman yes, but those things don't have to matter. [09:12]
CoraCrisT imagine a waste disposal team made of robots , in chemical situations, etc :) [09:12]
mircea_popescu this is like saying "artisan can do things cnc mill can not" [09:12]
CoraCrisT fukushima robo cleaners [09:12]
mircea_popescu very true. however, you don't HAVE to fight a war to suit the artisan. [09:12]
chetty actually no need to straighten the roads, just do away with them [09:12]
mircea_popescu you can fight the war so as to suit the cnc mill [09:12]
mircea_popescu which is fundamentally the point of ww2. [09:12]
mircea_popescu chetty they won't be roads i imagine, more like hovercraft pads. [09:13]
mircea_popescu doesn't take much to feed them << this is true. cigarettes also don't take much to buy. [09:16]
mircea_popescu dealing with the after effects of having bought them, however, different story. [09:16]
mircea_popescu it is incontrovertible fact that most people alive today will have cost more than they were worth by the time they die, and this by orders of magnitude. [09:16]
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mircea_popescu lol this is funny. [09:29]
mircea_popescu ;;google "Personal responsibility and the Ponzi scam" [09:29]
gribble Personal responsiblity and the Ponzi scam. - Bitcoin Forum: ; Ponzi Schemes and Bubble Scam Investment Frauds: ; A $50 Billion Ponzi Scheme - [09:29]
mircea_popescu ;;google Personal responsibility and the Ponzi scam [09:29]
gribble Personal responsiblity and the Ponzi scam. - Bitcoin Forum: ; Ponzi Schemes and Bubble Scam Investment Frauds: ; A $50 Billion Ponzi Scheme - [09:29]
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mircea_popescu CoraCrisT << tine acolo la caz ca ajung astia aradenii bogati. nu se stie. [09:55]
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punkman related: "Indonesia has formally complained to Malaysia over an advert for a robot vacuum cleaner which told consumers to "Fire your Indonesian maid now"." [10:10]
assbot BBC News - 'Fire your Indonesian maid' advert sparks row with Malaysia ... ( ) [10:10]
mircea_popescu !up karcano [10:11]
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mircea_popescu unrelated : Teacher explains superlatives, then has children give examples. Little Johhny : Big, bigger, biggest. Little Sammy : Hard, harder, hardest. [10:12]
mircea_popescu Little Loli : Deep, deeper, ouch! [10:12]
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mircea_popescu [10:56]
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mircea_popescu they're down to food bloggers now ? no further bankers left ? [10:56]
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punkman lolwut "The reason for my death is simple. I have concluded that in the realm of dating and relationships the primary characteristics required for men are as follows." [11:03]
mircea_popescu "Mircea Popescu February 10, 2015 at 14:01 Reply Your comment is awaiting moderation. [11:06]
mircea_popescu Congrats for figuring it out, and doing the right thing. [11:06]
mircea_popescu If only more people in your unfortunate situation had the intellectual honesty to look their failure in the eye and take the jump, the world would be a much better place. [11:06]
mircea_popescu Even among losers, there’s hierarchy : the better ones leave, the scum of the scum sticks around." [11:06]
mircea_popescu sadly i dun think it's ever getting approved. [11:06]
mircea_popescu "I originally performed this test 5 times and found approximately a 95% skew" << :D [11:08]
danielpbarron the guy's name was "boozedude" .. [11:08]
danielpbarron kinda like bitcoindude [11:08]
mircea_popescu "I was told that this sample set was too small so I performed the same test over four to five years until I reached the sample size of 10,000 in total split into tranches of 100. Every time the answer effectively remained the same. All the samples lie between a 94% bias and a 100% bias." [11:11]
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davout oh, a romanian camel dude [13:39]
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mircea_popescu PeterL not much trade, gonna do a joint statement [13:40]
mircea_popescu davout wait wut ?! [13:40]
thestringpuller davout: i kno. i'm just being a h8er. Can't I just hate on people. [13:40]
thestringpuller Oh hey the romanian camel d00d! [13:40]
thestringpuller Who opposes the blocksize limit cause he can't get laid. [13:41]
thestringpuller And doesn't have any money. [13:41]
thestringpuller ~_~ [13:41]
nubbins` thestringpuller "stole"? o.O [13:41]
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thestringpuller nubbins`: I was being facetious! [13:42]
nubbins` faseeshus [13:42]
thestringpuller :( [13:42]
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mircea_popescu faces r us ?! [13:42]
nubbins` faces while u wait [13:44]
mircea_popescu so im having the 2nd breakfast of the day. like the previous one, this one also consists of milk and apple pie. [13:45]
mircea_popescu this is why i oppose change. [13:45]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: so you're a hobbit? [13:50]
thestringpuller ;;google 2nd breakfast tolkien [13:50]
gribble Second breakfast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; J.R.R. Tolkien - The Hobbit: Second Breakfast Day: 21st September ...: ; Popular items for second breakfast on Etsy: [13:50]
nubbins` i had coffee and two homemade cookies [13:50]
mircea_popescu 2 lemonade nookies > homemade cookies ! [13:52]
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mircea_popescu that dumb thread seriously still going ? [13:58]
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mircea_popescu eh, nm, what am i asking. [13:58]
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mircea_popescu in any case, i guess they don't manage in however many posts to get to addressing the key point of "who pays davis' salary these days". [14:00]
mircea_popescu do they ? [14:00]
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nubbins` [14:02]
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nubbins` VOLCA SAMPLE OS 1.3 RELEASED [14:03]
nubbins` woop! [14:03]
nubbins` dem parameter locks!! [14:03]
nubbins` (incidentally, the volca sample receives OS updates as modulated audio via a 3.5mm stereo jack) [14:05]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform: nubbins`: incentive program << this is what makes zero sense. the buggers have infinite fiat budget, and to their soldiers, they offer... pocket change << you have to understand the extrmely problematic nature of infinite budget. suppose you were trying to fly an aeroplane that had infinite thrust. [14:23]
mircea_popescu nubbins`: let's put a pin in this for down the road << you're keeping screenshots aren't you. [14:24]
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TomServo [14:31]
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TomServo Interesting concept there. [14:32]
mircea_popescu basically a dice game amirite ? [14:32]
nubbins` mircea_popescu who needs it? !s pin from:nubbins` [14:32]
nubbins` dem tools [14:33]
mircea_popescu jurov: well, there is a torrent published for bootstrap.dat. atm only > 0.9 supports it << are we desperate for old style blockchains ? [14:33]
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jurov it's just a bag of blocks [14:33]
nubbins` ! [14:33]
nubbins` fun [14:33]
mircea_popescu o.O [14:33]
mircea_popescu why not a bag of dicks, while at it. [14:33]
nubbins` lego style [14:33]
nubbins` what will YOU build [14:33]
nubbins` !b 19 [14:34]
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nubbins` fuck! [14:34]
mircea_popescu only underage bashes accepted. [14:34]
nubbins` dat single backspace to erase two-char number ;/ [14:34]
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thestringpuller lol the quarterly reports are coming out [14:55]
thestringpuller How is Apple making so much money? Does everyone use macs these days? [14:55]
chetty never [14:56]
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thestringpuller Really needs to be a drinking game for these things where you take a shot everytime someone uses a buzz word. [14:57]
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thestringpuller << more whining and machinations of flailing arms [15:04]
thestringpuller much more noisy death than most animals. [15:04]
thestringpuller so is the bitcoin incentive program going to scale into "If you upgrade to hard fork, we'll incentivize you *wink wink* ?!?" [15:07]
thestringpuller We should just take their money by running old nodes. [15:08]
thestringpuller LOL they are already doing it!!! [15:09]
thestringpuller "Bitnodes uses Bitcoin protocol version 70001 (i.e. >= /Satoshi:0.8.x/), so nodes running an older protocol version will be skipped." [15:09]
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nubbins` heh [15:26]
nubbins` there are plenty of people who would do this for like 5 bucks a month [15:26]
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mircea_popescu der[/ [15:35]
mircea_popescu derp* [15:35]
mircea_popescu this stench of desperation is like overpowering by now. [15:35]
nubbins` there are people who would do this for a buck a month [15:36]
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mircea_popescu there are people who would take a fucking picture of a fucking poster for fifty bucks [15:42]
mircea_popescu not in ohio, of course, but nevertheless. [15:42]
ben_vulpes how do these "chinese liquidity injections" actually work? [15:43]
ben_vulpes is it a straight up purchase of dud assets? [15:43]
mircea_popescu yes. [15:44]
mircea_popescu exactly like the us counterparts. [15:44]
mircea_popescu except china has more and much dudlier assets than you could ever imagine. [15:44]
ben_vulpes "cleanest shirt in the room" is the phrase i hear our financial "pundits" bandy about. [15:45]
mircea_popescu except it's not. mpex also in that room. [15:46]
mircea_popescu "cleanest shirts of the shirts we're willing to see" doesn't have quite the same... flavour [15:46]
ben_vulpes these are "NPR" reporters - they've no idea that MPEx even exists. [15:47]
mircea_popescu anyway, it doesn't matter that the us is the cleanest shirt in the room. that's not really the criteria. [15:50]
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mircea_popescu in the woods cabin that is this world, the us shirt sits on the chest of a 16 yo, and his brother the 15yo yurp wears a dirtier one. Nevertheless, the absolute dirtiest one is worn by the 32 yo chinese man, whose shirt is dirty because he's the ony one who gets to fuck the only local woman [15:51]
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mircea_popescu her name's monetization, and that's the whole story. [15:51]
mircea_popescu it's true that an online blog the boys read said clean shirt wins. [15:51]
mircea_popescu it's not true that it meant in this context. [15:51]
asciilifeform usa 'cleanest shirt in the room' << healthiest horse in the glue factory [16:05]
mircea_popescu that. [16:08]
mircea_popescu for that matter... russia has been "under sanctions" for half a year. [16:13]
mircea_popescu i am terribly curious how the us would look should the eu decide to sanction IT for half a year. [16:13]
mircea_popescu not that much to the clean shirt theory if one looks closely at the seams. [16:14]
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mircea_popescu "Skipping a bunch of details, they left something in her and it was the cause of last week's night in the ER. The working theory is it is a part from the surgical robot that got dislodged or broken off as all their sponge, suture, and staple counts were on. Regardless, it wasn't there before and it is now and I have no idea what the fuck is going to happen next. According to my wife, the surgeon is of the opinion that [16:20]
mircea_popescu we should wait and see if it causes any more pain or if it will 'settle in'." [16:20]
mircea_popescu sounds legit. [16:20]
asciilifeform ' nodes running an older protocol version will be skipped.' << phoundation's answer to us, yes. anyone contemplating kelvin versioning again ? why should enemy have this much of an easy time with rejecting our nodes? [16:20]
mircea_popescu "we fixed your car and your wife, overal the parts count has conserved" [16:20]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform dude, reacting to idiots is an inept policy. you will end up with egg on your face. [16:21]
mircea_popescu the correct thing to do is to ignore stupid not to code up to stupid. [16:21]
mircea_popescu the latter always leaves YOU with stupid in your code. [16:21]
asciilifeform in general i agree re: 'wrestling with the pig', but i'm at a loss re: how we aren't simply wearing bull's eyes for no particular reason [16:22]
mircea_popescu but if it's a serious point of concern, either move the version string in the config file [16:22]
mircea_popescu or i guess i'll ask danielpbarron to include instructions on how to arbitrarily set it. [16:22]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the reason is that the nude woman is perfectly safe in the manly company of the impotent. [16:23]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it is very easy to set. but i wanted to see logic. [16:23]
mircea_popescu fuck em. best logic ever. [16:23]
mircea_popescu oh lulzy, so they're going to skip safe nodes from whatever harebrained changetip scheme they came up with next ? [16:24]
mircea_popescu help me rwanda. [16:24]
mircea_popescu notice who is driving this boat : i want to improve incentive structure for nodes ? they execute. [16:25]
mircea_popescu why exactly is this bad and why exactly should this be fixed ? [16:25]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: which this ? [16:25]
mircea_popescu let idiots FINALLY pay nodes to node, after five years wasted power rangering, because mp said so. win-win. [16:25]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ah that. ^ they'll be paying (chump change, apparently) for satanic nodes. [16:26]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform isn't the entire discussion about how someone (who ?) is going to (citation needed) pay some loose change to everyone that runs a node ? [16:26]
mircea_popescu so let them do something useful for once in their lifetime, it's not a bad thing. [16:26]
asciilifeform phoundation. [16:27]
mircea_popescu yaya, fake foudation doesn't actually have what to pay gavin with for the rest of this year. had they stayed in the us they'd have been open to some pretty lulzy litigation. [16:28]
asciilifeform if actually happens, even - it's chump bait. 0.8.6 nodes that will be 'seamlessly upgrades' to gavincoin (how? easy - will lose most history, faux verification from that point on, etc.) [16:28]
mircea_popescu and as far as i hear you can't really sell A series as a non profit. [16:28]
asciilifeform nsa can always donationwash another or ten. [16:29]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's exactly my point. let them spend their resources paying nodes to node, it's useful. they are incentivized to maximize numbers, which means they will be paying nodes that are conformant to us. [16:29]
nubbins` seems easy enough to write a patch that changes version string [16:29]
mircea_popescu becayuse while someone may take 1 buck a day to noide, as nubbins` says, they won't fuck up a node for chump change. [16:29]
mircea_popescu an' so... [16:29]
nubbins` would be pretty lelly to publicly fire up a few k's of .foundation nodes on EC2 and start claiming dat money [16:30]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i already bought a bunch of the pogo guys [16:30]
asciilifeform nubbins`: yes, easy. question was about the logic. [16:30]
mircea_popescu nubbins` it's a stupid idea anyway, how do you verify nodeness ? [16:30]
mircea_popescu if it could be done it'd have been in the fucking protocol. [16:30]
nubbins` well, y'know the next step [16:31]
mircea_popescu if they manage to do it well, all the better, goes into actual fork. [16:31]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: congrats on scoring the pogos! [16:31]
nubbins` web dev equivalent: "don't target the browser, target the features" [16:31]
nubbins` make a >1MB block and pay nodes that relay it [16:31]
mircea_popescu yeah, sure, sure. [16:32]
mircea_popescu anbd then discover you actually fucked up the code [16:32]
mircea_popescu LIKE EVERY SINGLE PREVIOUS TIME [16:32]
nubbins` didn't stop em before [16:32]
nubbins` anyway, mark my words [16:32]
nubbins` if they're shelling out cash, they're not doing it for a user-settable agent string [16:32]
mircea_popescu yeah, because gavin really has a coupla k bitcoins laying around to "repay" the miners that bit a steel girder by trusting him. [16:33]
nubbins` they're doing it to push the first block of a fork [16:33]
mircea_popescu this is so totally happening, everyone has reddit's memory. [16:33]
mircea_popescu which fails to explain how come some people own millions worth of gear and reddit can barely afford a webcam, but hey. [16:33]
scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: [16:33]
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mircea_popescu nubbins` i hope they do this as you describe it, easily maximal lulz. [16:33]
nubbins` i'll put a pin in this, too ^ [16:34]
mircea_popescu "this is the right thing and in your best interest, and we're so certain of this we'll pay you to do it." [16:34]
mircea_popescu such sense this makes i couldn't begin to tell you. [16:34]
mircea_popescu !up NewLiberty [16:34]
-assbot- You voiced NewLiberty for 30 minutes. [16:34]
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nubbins` "Bottled Queef Gas may be worth 755%" [16:36]
nubbins` :0 [16:36]
NewLiberty Sidechains during a hard fork... [16:42]
mircea_popescu and a bottle o' queef gas. [16:43]
ben_vulpes [16:43]
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-assbot- You voiced beetcoin for 30 minutes. [16:54]
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beetcoin wow, I have voice. [16:57]
ben_vulpes are you amazed? [16:57]
beetcoin pretty much. [16:57]
beetcoin I'm not in the WoT yet. [16:58]
asciilifeform << BingoBoingo: wanna clean this up & try an article ? [17:00]
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Naphex [17:19]
assbot Bitcoin Core Dev Patrick Strateman: "petertodd is a retainer slut. hourly is low but most people are paying him for work he isn't doing" : Bitcoin ... ( ) [17:19]
Naphex so much fiteing on reddit nowadays [17:20]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I'll give it a read [17:24]
mircea_popescu Naphex someone remind strateman that a) he is a fucking felon fraudster, whose name is forever besmirched by one of bitcoin's most idiotic heists (bitcoinica) [17:25]
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mircea_popescu and that he is also one of the MOST inept "coders" involved in the early stages. [17:25]
mircea_popescu ie, back when all the idiots thought they're bitcoin coders. [17:25]
mircea_popescu ;;rated phantomcircuit [17:25]
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mircea_popescu ;;everify mircea_popescu [17:26]
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punkman "nobody uses nlocktime, how am I gonna built stupid shit on top of it. I know let's make the core wallet use nlocktime on all the transactions." [17:28]
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assbot Discourage fee sniping with nLockTime by petertodd · Pull Request #2340 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( ) [17:28]
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mircea_popescu ;;rate phantomcircuit -10 Aka Patrick Strateman. That he has the unmitigated audacity to pretend he is a Bitcoin dev is unsurprising for the history of this felon. His name is permanently besmirched by one of the most inept frauds in the history of Bitcoin (Bitcoinica). He is also famous for sending the entire userbase the email address of the entire userbase. This is the sort of moron early Bitcoin attracted. [17:29]
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mircea_popescu fucktards. [17:29]
mircea_popescu "oh, let's lay low for a coupla years everything will be fine". [17:30]
Naphex >>> He is also famous for sending the entire userbase the email address of the entire userbase. This is the sort of moron early Bitcoin attracted. | lmao! [17:30]
mircea_popescu Naphex seriously. one line of python. [17:30]
mircea_popescu because "security experts" codes in production. [17:30]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: sorry for comment spam on trilema [17:31]
thestringpuller fucking << don't work in trilema [17:31]
thestringpuller cause html or something [17:31]
mircea_popescu lol well yes. [17:31]
thestringpuller i blame asciilifeform [17:32]
thestringpuller jk [17:32]
mircea_popescu ok i delete the first two keep the last ? [17:32]
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thestringpuller mircea_popescu: yea [17:35]
thestringpuller thx :D [17:35]
mircea_popescu answer't/ [17:37]
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BingoBoingo jurov: well, there is a torrent published for bootstrap.dat. atm only > 0.9 supports it << I thought 0.7.2 and later all support it, 0.7.2 being the only version to unpack it as BDB blockchain [18:00]
danielpbarron 0.7.2 stops at block 150`000 or something [18:00]
danielpbarron which makes bootstrapping useless [18:00]
mircea_popescu torrent chains are a very fucking dumb idea anyway. [18:02]
mircea_popescu what's next, usagi's privkey generation services ? [18:02]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'torrent' in the usual sense would be braindamaged. but nodes loading blocks from more than one peer - is a must. [18:03]
nubbins` ^ [18:04]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i strictly meant the point discussed above, "bootstrap" [18:05]
mircea_popescu otherwise absolutely. [18:05]
mircea_popescu funny how botomless the capacity of these people to generate conflicting names. [18:05]
mircea_popescu it almost looks engineered by now. [18:05]
nubbins` set max number of connections, threshold for abandoning slow peers [18:05]
nubbins` as a percentage of average download speed, i guess [18:06]
mircea_popescu !up beetcoin [18:06]
-assbot- You voiced beetcoin for 30 minutes. [18:06]
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beetcoin Thanks. [18:06]
mircea_popescu nubbins` slow peers nbot even it. out of order block peers much worse. [18:07]
mircea_popescu you end up throwingaway bw. [18:07]
beetcoin I'm curious about the general sentiment around here that says bitcoin should not scale. That it is not for "the common man". [18:07]
beetcoin not that I necessarily disagree, [18:07]
mircea_popescu you should prolly read the logs eh. [18:07]
nubbins` beetcoin, you'll remain curious for a while [18:07]
nubbins` perhaps the forseeable future [18:07]
ben_vulpes "should not scale" << heh. [18:08]
ben_vulpes such unexamined assumptions. [18:08]
beetcoin maybe those aren't the best words [18:08]
beetcoin I have read some of the logs, but it is rather a lot to read [18:08]
asciilifeform i was specifically thinking about the out-of-order crapolade. [18:09]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform problem is that if you penalize nodes for misbehaving thus, you'll just in practice randomly cut them off. as thery all do. [18:09]
ben_vulpes beetcoin: one can either read the forums, or the log. not both. [18:09]
ben_vulpes reddit, in this case, counts as a forum. [18:09]
mircea_popescu now... if OUR node was better, to privilege it would make sense. and itd; be worth WAY more than the five bux or w/e on tap. [18:09]
nubbins` ben_vulpes that's like saying one can either read a brief history of time or their cereal box [18:10]
danielpbarron ben_vulpes, heh yeah at least log.b-a is finite; can't that /that/ long to read [18:10]
ben_vulpes nubbins`: more like "collected works of mark twain" [18:10]
mircea_popescu one million lines is it ? should be about a year, for someone that is professionally qualified to read. [18:11]
nubbins` man's still gotta eat brekkies 8) [18:11]
danielpbarron whereas reddit et al. is a bottomless pit of idiocy [18:11]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron nobody ever read all of reddit. so it's okay : failure by design. [18:11]
beetcoin what role should bitcoin play then? [18:12]
danielpbarron what role does gravity play? [18:12]
beetcoin well, i realize bitcoin is not a sentient 'actor' [18:13]
beetcoin but humans can't really change gravity [18:13]
ben_vulpes beetcoin: what, is an uninterdictable store of value not enough for you?! [18:13]
danielpbarron exactly [18:13]
beetcoin it's good enough [18:13]
ben_vulpes what could be more awesome than the knowledge that the system will have 21M coins...FOREVER? [18:14]
ben_vulpes it ain't broke [18:14]
ben_vulpes don't fuck with it. [18:14]
mircea_popescu but humans can't really change gravity << or bitcoin. [18:14]
mircea_popescu that's the principal point here. it's not a "technology". it's not an invention. bitcoin is a discovery. [18:14]
beetcoin bitcoin has changed somewhat since its invention though [18:15]
mircea_popescu it was always there, and it'll hit you over the head until you die if you cross it. [18:15]
mircea_popescu for ANY value of you. [18:15]
mircea_popescu i just said it wasn't invented lol. [18:15]
beetcoin okay, so it has changed since its discovery [18:15]
mircea_popescu notrly. [18:16]
beetcoin fundamentally, it hasn't [18:16]
beetcoin but a number of forks have occurred [18:17]
mircea_popescu you might need to go do some reading. [18:17]
mircea_popescu if you mean the unintentional power ranger fuckup of 2013, that fork was killed. [18:17]
danielpbarron one could make the argument that bitcoin wasn't really discovered until you could use it on MPEx, and since then it hasn't changed [18:18]
mircea_popescu we are still on the OLD chain, we didn't move to the new one that emerged then. [18:18]
ben_vulpes beetcoin: the last time gavin tried to change bitcoin in one of these "fundamental" ways, he burned a lot of capital fixing all of the idiots bitcoinds who went with him. [18:18]
mircea_popescu in spite of it having been - temporarily - longer. [18:18]
BingoBoingo [18:18]
assbot "Custom crypto-cracking hardware is pricey & rare, but your local tool store has cheap human-cracking hardware." /hashtag/tsmastery?src=hash [18:18]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes ever wonder how he could afford that / [18:18]
beetcoin a fork is not impossible in principle [18:18]
mircea_popescu one year you throw away k's of btc, the next year you need foundation salary for 10s of btc ? [18:19]
beetcoin if enough people wanted to, it could happen [18:19]
ben_vulpes in practice, however. [18:19]
mircea_popescu beetcoin and you know this how ? [18:19]
mircea_popescu bitcoin is not a democracy [18:19]
ben_vulpes beetcoin: not "enough" people. [18:19]
ben_vulpes the right people. [18:19]
mircea_popescu what "enough people" want and five dollars in cointips buys them a cup of coffee. [18:19]
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beetcoin bitcoin is not a democracy? what is it then? an oligarchy? [18:20]
mircea_popescu its a rule of the universe. [18:20]
beetcoin it just does what it wants then [18:20]
mircea_popescu quite. [18:20]
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danielpbarron man the redditards have amnesia i guess; they used to use the honeybadger example of "bitcoin don't give a bit!" [18:21]
ben_vulpes Starsoccer: you're joining and cloaking in the wrong order. [18:21]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron this was back when reddit mostly consisted of people who had bitcoins. [18:21]
mircea_popescu they either gotr scammed and sold out as the price went up, because they couldn't justifyably keep those hjoldings [18:22]
mircea_popescu now it's mostly people who don't have bitcoin, and desperately wish to be told "that's okay". [18:22]
mircea_popescu so... new set of memes for the new set of retards. [18:22]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: simple experiment shows that penalizing nodes sending out-of-order blocks - does very little. as pointed out. what we want is to 'embrace & extend' the block sync process in the sense of preferring friendly nodes for sync. [18:23]
asciilifeform those being ours. [18:23]
mircea_popescu only if we can make our nodes give out blocks in order. [18:24]
mircea_popescu otherwise pointless. [18:24]
asciilifeform well yes. [18:24]
mircea_popescu right. [18:25]
asciilifeform any of you try 'micro-ecc' yet ? [18:25]
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asciilifeform punkman ? ben_vulpes ? [18:28]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: [18:41]
assbot DC Court of Appeal Upholds Redaction of Protocol to Shutdown Wireless Networks | ... ( ) [18:41]
scoopbot New post on by Bingo Boingo: [18:42]
mircea_popescu " two damns on the US-Mexico border" ? [18:43]
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mircea_popescu ;;isup [18:48]
BingoBoingo fxd, mispelling due to habit [18:48]
asciilifeform question for all: has anyone, ever, built netbsd ramdisk on cross-compile build system, or knows of anyone who has done so, or knows so much as a shred of evidence that this has ever worked? [18:48]
asciilifeform the published cookbooks, without exception, describe a process which leads nowhere. [18:48]
asciilifeform open sores. [18:48]
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gribble is up [18:49]
assbot Bondage, BDSM & Fetish Community - FetLife ... ( ) [18:49]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i know people who have tried and gave up. [18:49]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Most NetBSD instructions do. Most platforms they support can get some sort of bootable kernel but not much in the way of a useful userland... The Japanese love it because they can say their toilets "run" unix... [18:49]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i've built perfectly usable netbsd boxes previously. but this one -has- to be a cross-compile. and live in ramdisk. [18:50]
asciilifeform thing is, netbsd is the one and only path because 1) it builds the toolchain 2) builds a <1MB kernel 3) perfectly set up for a one-executable userland. but (3) refuses to happen so far [18:52]
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asciilifeform and the frustrating thing is, i have the kernel built. and all standard userland proggys. but ramdisk also needs the /dev and /etc; the former - has to get crapped out of a build script thingie that refuses to grind [18:54]
nubbins` lel @ fetlife [18:55]
mircea_popescu i thought i broke it. [18:58]
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BingoBoingo If only you had a Sharp Zaurus to do a native compile [18:59]
diametric [19:00]
assbot Crystal Wash 2.0: Clean Laundry with No Detergents by Crystal Wash — Kickstarter ... ( ) [19:00]
diametric magic. [19:00]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: zaurus << and a spare century or two [19:00]
BingoBoingo Or week... [19:01]
asciilifeform kickstarter now lists ~40+ year-old scamatrons... [19:01]
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asciilifeform not only listed on ks, but 'staff pick' [19:02]
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mod6 asciilifeform: MAKEDEV doesn't work? [19:04]
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asciilifeform mod6: nothing involving netbsd's 'make' - 'nbmake' - works. [19:04]
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BingoBoingo "Everyone loves Raymond" [19:06]
assbot Defending GCC considered futile ... ( ) [19:06]
asciilifeform mod6: 'nbmake: no system rules (' in all cases. [19:06]
asciilifeform mod6: and yes, the file exists. just isn't seen. [19:07]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo this is pretty huge. if you feel like spinning it together with the discussion re symbols a few weeks ago makes a pretty great qntra article. informative and in depth of what matters. [19:08]
mircea_popescu want me to find the log ref for you ? [19:08]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: is esr posting from a parallel universe where llvm has actual optimizations ? [19:08]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform esr is posting from an universe where apple has ambitions. [19:09]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i can only conclude that he is an apple/usg shill. [19:09]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I've waken today to a rather full plate, maybe someone else wants. [19:09]
mircea_popescu as the expression goes, "it could buy all of russia!" [19:09]
mircea_popescu it can't actually do THAT, but some other things it can buy [19:09]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Best I can tell as always ESR simply thinks he can avoid starvation [19:09]
mod6 asciilifeform: are you building from the tooldir? or added it to your path?!topic/minix3/slkHJV1SXW4 [19:10]
assbot Google Groups ... ( ) [19:10]
mod6 not sure if that helps at all. [19:10]
asciilifeform 'TL;DR: You can't beat clang. Join it.' << this idiot has long avoided his correct place - in pederasty and by the latrine corner. [19:10]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform "compiler technology has advanced significantly in ways that GCC is not well positioned to exploit. " any clue what this specifically means ? [19:10]
asciilifeform mod6: yes, it is set to the path that the 'tools' process spits out. [19:11]
mod6 hmm. [19:11]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform "compiler technology has advanced significantly in ways that GCC is not well positioned to exploit. " any clue what this specifically means ? << Probably FreeBSD 10 generally slower than 9 because clang/LLVM [19:11]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the llvm thing, prior to career as apple crud, had a previous life as a darling plaything of u.s. 'comp sci' academitardia [19:12]
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asciilifeform for folks unfamiliar with esr, he has always been an unabashed barnacle who clung to whatever he saw as 'winning' at the moment. so usg did not have to break his kneecaps. he knew exactly when to bend over and lube up. [19:13]
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asciilifeform gcc is a natural target, as one of the last remaining total bastions agains poetteringization and 'modern advances,' 'pr0gr3ss!111!1111!,' etc. [19:17]
asciilifeform the ancient, gnarly code, the caretakers - few in number, mostly know one another; the infrequent patches - not an especially shitgnome-friendly environment. [19:19]
asciilifeform thus it will be attacked in every available way. the 'consensus' of 'the community' and 'how the world works' will stand as a solid wall against the 'obsolete, white male privileged' gcc. [19:20]
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asciilifeform can anyone here shed any light on the question of how netbsd's 'nbmake' finds its global config, '' ? the docs are silent. and no, it doesn't look in its install dir. [19:36]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo [19:38]
assbot dpaste: 1D045X0 ... ( ) [19:38]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i think you;ll enjoy my write-up, if it gets picked up :D [19:38]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes, exactly. the problem is that they (unknowingly) approximate the wot [19:39]
scoopbot New post on by Bingo Boingo: [19:39]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform $home ? "D [19:40]
asciilifeform let's do a 'trichotomy' on the netbsd thing. as far as i can see, there are three and only three possibilities in a case like this (i am deliberately not including the forth, of my being a muppet.) 1) whole orchestra -never- worked 2) once worked, but a sniveling shitgnome fucked with the docs 3) docs were once correct and described a working sys, but a sniveling shitgnome changed the code 'because pr0gr3ss' [19:40]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: nope. this is a cross-compile and uses 'TOOLDIR' var. [19:41]
mircea_popescu o righjt [19:41]
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mircea_popescu "Licenses and "control" have absolutely nothing to do with it. Stefan" :D [19:46]
mircea_popescu oh, some holdouts still don't wish to trade power for the fetish of power ? pretend like power doesn't even exist anymore! [19:46]
asciilifeform wat [19:46]
mircea_popescu [19:47]
assbot Re: Defending GCC considered futile ... ( ) [19:47]
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mircea_popescu probably more notable, [19:49]
assbot Re: Defending GCC considered futile ... ( ) [19:49]
mircea_popescu "As mentioned earlier, in any case I will happily accept and install LLDB support into gud.el. So as long as I'm Emacs maintainer, your opinion on whether this might ruin the FSF's goals are not relevant." [19:49]
asciilifeform mask fell off. [19:49]
asciilifeform open challenge to rms? the latter will remove the gnome if he has any balls left [19:50]
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mircea_popescu he hasnot so far done so. [19:51]
mircea_popescu << best irony award [19:52]
assbot Re: Defending GCC considered futile ... ( ) [19:52]
mircea_popescu what shocks me is the extreme structural coherence of the red herrings deployed. [19:54]
mircea_popescu metzger could be that blind schmuck in systemd could be gavin etc. [19:54]
asciilifeform almost like there's a script, aha. [19:55]
scoopbot New post on by Mircea Popescu: [19:55]
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Naphex mircea_popescu: lmao :D [20:08]
assbot ... ( ) [20:08]
mircea_popescu aha ? [20:09]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Did you mean to say patterns or patters [20:11]
BingoBoingo With your acid rain metaphore [20:11]
mircea_popescu patterns [20:12]
mircea_popescu odd how that ~degraded~ gracefully huh [20:12]
asciilifeform anyone with ideas re: resolving the '' retardation, speak. [20:12]
asciilifeform netbsd or minix are afaik the only practical paths towards a 100% crud-free node box. [20:13]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform management sez take a break you're chewing the scenery. [20:13]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Mailing list? [20:13]
mircea_popescu btw re ers : i'm not so sure about all that barnacle. isn't the guy a major libertarian ? [20:13]
asciilifeform and while i could, with some effort, shoehorn bitcoind into one of the still-produced alternatives for 'pogo' - all of which have no more than 32M of ram - it presumes something other than the mega-turd that linux kernel is. [20:14]
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asciilifeform i'm taking a forced break, simply have no time presently [20:14]
BingoBoingo [20:15]
assbot Everybody loves Eric Raymond ... ( ) [20:15]
asciilifeform and yes, esr was a barnacle on 'foss' from day one. authored inconsequential crap, claiming to be 'contributor'; attached his name to 'jargon file' historical book, having added various bogus entries; etc [20:15]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: ESR professes as to be such [20:15]
mircea_popescu isn't he the guy with the catedral anbd bazaar book ? [20:16]
asciilifeform yes, him [20:16]
BingoBoingo << Particularly related [20:17]
assbot Everybody loves Eric Raymond » Deb-Ian ... ( ) [20:17]
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danielpbarron asciilifeform, what about gentoo on the pogo? [20:18]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: linux kernel and minimal userland are massive compared to netbsd [20:19]
danielpbarron those can't be stored on /dev/sda1 ? [20:19]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: the latter is almost -readable- in length [20:19]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: those can't be stored on /dev/sda1 << absolutely not. node must be self-contained and able to format a brand-new disk entirely on its own, when plugged in. [20:20]
danielpbarron ohh.. [20:20]
danielpbarron right :/ [20:21]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: 128M of eeprom are more than enough to store whatever you want, but these things eat up ram footprint (both by themselves and when read-cached) [20:21]
danielpbarron is there a way to modify the linux that comes with the pogo? [20:21]
danielpbarron i have its source [20:22]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: but try to understand a more fundamental principle here. eventually this needs to turn into a system with -no- extraneous parts. as in, i take a stick and point to a byte, and you are able to tell me why it is there. [20:22]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: i have not been able to build the linux that comes with pogo. the included patches do not apply cleanly. [20:22]
danielpbarron i haven't tried it yet [20:22]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: in essence, like most supposedly 'gpl compliant' commercial products, the compliance is a total and unabashed crock of shit. [20:23]
danielpbarron so it's not just me; this stuff is just very frustrating [20:24]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: linux 2.6.x kernel is a mega-turd. and while there remains a single line therein which does not execute during the normal operation of bitcoind-on-pogo, i will maintain that this is true. [20:24]
danielpbarron i like your high standards :D [20:25]
danielpbarron i so wish that programmer castle school existed [20:25]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: and there is no practical way to separate the 'flies from the cutlets' here. who here has even 'tried' building a lin. kernel with -not one- driver for hardware you don't have or want? [20:25]
asciilifeform it certainly cannot be accomplished by twiddling the usual config. there is crud in there by the megatonne, glued in with glass. [20:26]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron: in essence, like most supposedly 'gpl compliant' commercial products, the compliance is a total and unabashed crock of shit. <<< funny how much stock rms puts in the nude declaration, huh. [20:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53450 @ 0.00041405 = 22.131 BTC [-] [20:29]
danielpbarron well i would still like to put gentoo on my pogo inplace of arch, even if it is not the final solution [20:29]
asciilifeform and before anyone asks, no, you can't automagically strip the crapolade away with a profiler. certain routines are quite legitimately there but are traversed infrequently (say, only when shutting down, or if disk is full, or a cable is unplugged, nuclear war has been declared, and so on.) [20:30]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: not so simple (doable, though) - it has to run from rom. you almost certainly must use 'buildroot.' i have a 'buildroot' config that grinds out a kernel and a userland, but said kernel fails to boot and produces no output to /dev/ttyS0 - despite being configured to do so. evidently the support for Marvell chips in the mainline 3.xx kernels is bogus. [20:32]
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asciilifeform shitgnomes lie, lie, but that would be inconsequential if the lies did not also take the form of bogus code that supposedly functions, but go and try to replicate. not one thing in ten works as described or to spec. [20:33]
mircea_popescu one of the best parts of living in argentina ? you can have email exchanges with "don Pablo Picasso". literally. [20:34]
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scoopbot New post on by cazalla: [20:44]
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cazalla sounds reasonable eh "HSBC's economist Paul Bloxham reports average house prices are up 23 per cent in the last 2½ years and a whopping 33 per cent in Sydney, citing figures from RP Data CoreLogic." [21:00]
cazalla at this rate, housing might outpace gavin's blocksize roadmap [21:01]
thestringpuller ;;seen Pierre_Rochard [21:06]
gribble Pierre_Rochard was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 2 days, 21 hours, 16 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: ;;gettrust buttonwood_ [21:06]
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thestringpuller "It's 6 GB per block, meaning it would grow by 864 GB a day. In 2035, that might not be much." << LOL [21:15]
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cazalla [21:56]
assbot ZapChain Interview with Charlie Lee, Creator of Litecoin, and Engineering Manager at Coinbase - YouTube ... ( ) [21:56]
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decimation "Walkley writes that his assessment of vendor data in smartphones suggests Apple, whose shares he rates a Buy, captured 93% of industry profits in Q4." << why are all of apple's competitors in the 'mobile market' simply trying to imitate apple? [22:05]
decimation obviously they suck at being apple, why not try something new? [22:05]
decimation asciilifeform: which robot vacuum doesn't work on the random walk? [22:06]
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mircea_popescu because nobody got fired for being lame ? [22:17]
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mircea_popescu cazalla anything good ? [22:17]
cazalla mircea_popescu, it's just coblee saying "a lot of the stuff we do at coinbase, we don't really think through" [22:18]
mircea_popescu lol k [22:19]
decimation because nobody got fired for being lame ? << yeah right up there with 'nobody got fired for buying ibm' [22:20]
mircea_popescu dsame difference. [22:21]
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decimation !up pete_dus_ [22:22]
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cazalla pete_dushenski, you canadians are crazy, if it's not kidnappings, it's driving cars into court houses and now.. bomb threats for btc lol [22:22]
pete_dus_ thanks decimation [22:22]
pete_dus_ cazalla lol i missed the bomb threats! [22:23]
cazalla it'll be up on qntra soon [22:23]
pete_dus_ [22:23]
assbot The economics of sinking 20 MB Gavincoin blocks. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( ) [22:23]
pete_dus_ cazalla eh you guys have been busy today [22:23]
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TheNewDeal 20MB tomorrow, 20GB next year [22:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19650 @ 0.00041405 = 8.1361 BTC [-] [22:28]
pete_dus_ "mebbe if the price won't go to the moon, block size can!" [22:29]
pete_dus_ "something needs to increase because we're poor!" [22:30]
mircea_popescu hey who ate pete's enski [22:30]
pete_dus_ i ate my own enski... [22:30]
mircea_popescu lol [22:30]
hanbot BingoBoingo "security-anihilating bugs on a yearly basis" > how about annihilating, then? [22:30]
pete_dus_ i'll throw it back up later [22:30]
pete_dus_ penguin styles [22:31]
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BingoBoingo hanbot: fxd [22:32]
mircea_popescu im off. take it easy all [22:32]
decimation asciilifeform: << apparently on 8 May there is going to be a massive WWII aircraft flyover over the dc mall [22:33]
assbot One of The Largest Flyovers In D.C. History To Take Place In May: DCist ... ( ) [22:33]
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