Forum logs for 09 Feb 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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mod6 BingoBoingo: alerts were snipped via this patch: -- It's not posted to the btc-dev mailing list yet. This might have been because of issues with messages getting snarffed back in Oct./Nov. [00:10]
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BingoBoingo mod6: Saw that. I'm building a different phoundation version for personal use. [00:11]
mod6 it seems that alerts were probably moved out to their own file in later versions. [00:11]
mod6 re: alerts.cpp etc. [00:11]
mod6 asciilifeform: when you get a chance, you should do a new submission to the list for the alert & win32 patches. thx in advance. [00:13]
mod6 BingoBoingo: fwiw it looks like alerts.[h/cpp] appear in v0.7.0 [00:17]
BingoBoingo K [00:17]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: My gut is telling me that changing the public keys to garbage is going to be the quick << not that dirty, either. [00:18]
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mircea_popescu everyone can "do a little coding' just like any man could ride a horse in 1800. [00:22]
mircea_popescu people who can't are simply subhuman. [00:22]
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thestringpuller i keep getting into arguments about non-people (the ones who would put arm in wood chipper) [00:58]
thestringpuller flailing my arms yelling "they aren't people!!!" [00:58]
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thestringpuller "OMG the blocksize limit is too small" last 6 blocks: 108k 26k 112k 97k 553k and 602k [01:07]
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bitcoinquestions mircea_popescu: I did a lot more critical thinking about the blocksize limit and holy shit I feel so dumb for ever thinking Gavin's proposal was a good idea. [01:34]
thestringpuller bitcoinquestions: [01:35]
bitcoinquestions And there's no way Gavin doesn't know exactly what he's doing, right? Like is it possible he convinced himself that it was a good idea? [01:36]
bitcoinquestions It's perfectly tricky though - it does at first seem like a good idea. [01:36]
bitcoinquestions It seems like something he could convince the masses to upgrade to, but I'm assuming the miners know better than to let that happen, correct? [01:39]
bitcoinquestions Like is this a real threat? [01:39]
mircea_popescu it's always possible one convinces himself anything's a good idea. [01:42]
mircea_popescu see discussion re orwell past few days. [01:42]
thestringpuller ;;google woodchipper [01:45]
gribble The story of Pointless and Witless pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: ; MPOE, January 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: ; Notorious M.P. layin down that subliminal shit, na mean ? pe Trilema ...: [01:45]
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bitcoinquestions anyone here wanna play bitcoin bounce? It's a simple game I made up to build up trust. Person A sends person B .5 BTC then person B ends the game by either running with the money or returning .5 BTC. Person B can continue the game by sending Person A 1 BTC back. Rinse and repeat. [01:50]
bitcoinquestions The higher you get the higher trust you've established [01:50]
mircea_popescu ... [01:53]
thestringpuller so you wanna play musical chairs? [01:57]
thestringpuller or is it hot potato... [01:57]
mircea_popescu The tale is told, too, of a certain woman who performed an aeolian crepitation at a dinner attended by the witty Monsignieur Dupanloup, Bishop of Orleans, and that when, to cover up her lapse, she began to scrape her feet upon the floor, and to make similar noises, the Bishop said, "Do not trouble to find a rhyme, Madam!" [01:57]
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thestringpuller LOL [02:00]
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danielpbarron what's up with your friend, napedia? [02:16]
napedia I'm guessing you're talking about Daniel. The answer is that there is an internal split at SNI regarding the block size. Daniel is on the other side of Michael and Pierre. [02:18]
danielpbarron aha [02:18]
danielpbarron and which side are you on? [02:19]
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napedia I don't write for SNI. My opinion is that I'd like to see SNI sort it out with economic reasoning and good articles. Pierre's arguments are most persusasive. [02:21]
danielpbarron i don't think the issue is limited to SNI; surely you have an opinion on the matter [02:22]
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mircea_popescu people dun have to have an opinion do they [02:24]
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ascii_modem ty [02:30]
ascii_modem BingoBoingo: i killed the alert thing with own hands [02:30]
ascii_modem what do you need it back for ? [02:31]
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BingoBoingo ascii_modem: Was killing in it 0.86 [02:31]
BingoBoingo *o.8.6 [02:31]
ascii_modem what do you need .8.6 for ? [02:31]
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BingoBoingo I run a node on 0.8.6 as a charity for the SPV wallet using freeloaders [02:33]
mircea_popescu !up aslan [02:34]
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ascii_modem BingoBoingo: snip same way, or change the key verif. conditional to 0 [02:35]
BingoBoingo ascii_modem: Mechanism was actually moved sometime between 0.5.3 and 0.8.6 [02:35]
BingoBoingo Ended up changine pubkey and commenting the alert trigger out of main.cpp [02:36]
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mircea_popescu "We do not know what he would have said–it is just possible that the unprocurable pamphlet, 1601, would supply a clue but we may guess that it would have wrecked his reputation and reduced his income to reasonable proportions." [02:37]
mircea_popescu orwell couldn't get 1601 lol [02:37]
ascii_modem mentioned at least half a dozen 'couldn't gets' [02:38]
ascii_modem incl. it [02:38]
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mircea_popescu books suck. proof. [02:39]
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ascii_modem gas distribution more reliable than electric... <<< no one has yet devised a way of attaching gas pipes to poles above ground. hence - reliable. [02:52]
mircea_popescu shit i hope i have these pics somewhere. [02:53]
mircea_popescu miles and miles of overland pipage. [02:53]
ascii_modem not in residential streets - at least in usa [02:54]
ascii_modem likewise, gas does not short-circuit (nearly constant grid load) [02:55]
mircea_popescu ascii_modem do you remember that walk when those gypsy girls accosted you ? [02:56]
ascii_modem aha! [02:56]
mircea_popescu pipes overhead. [02:56]
ascii_modem distribution or mains? [02:56]
mircea_popescu i dun even recall. [02:57]
TheNewDeal soo anyone interested in buy some no on ? [02:57]
assbot BitBet - BTC to rise vs USD in February :: 4.46 B (70%) on Yes, 1.89 B (30%) on No | closing in 2 weeks 2 days | weight: 75`610 (100`000 to 1) ... ( ) [02:57]
ascii_modem and now that it was mentioned, can those gurlz smell benjies and at what range...? [02:57]
ascii_modem (was my hypothesis) [02:58]
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ascii_modem ty [03:00]
danielpbarron !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.danielkrawisz.-2:9143f035179316633074c1e4c4ce2798d56d610b61fc201aa50d947c24d8451e [03:02]
assbot Successfully updated the rating for danielkrawisz from 1 to -2 with note: thinks it is likely that larger blocks would be adopted [03:02]
ascii_modem who even was that [03:02]
mircea_popescu you know thinking can't be a crime. [03:03]
danielpbarron i had a weird feeling about him leading up to this [03:03]
mircea_popescu well at the very least express yourself better. i dunno anyone who'd think much of thought crime. [03:03]
danielpbarron his argument is that larger blocks mean higher price per BTC [03:04]
mircea_popescu 'the devil himself knoweth not the mind of men' as the expression goes. [03:04]
ascii_modem i'm still at a loss re: who hoped to achieve what, exactly, by sending in the latest ninjaspamz3r [03:05]
mircea_popescu ascii_modem yu don't understand how the world works. [03:05]
mircea_popescu i need this as an acronym. [03:05]
danielpbarron [03:05]
assbot Who Controls Bitcoin? | Satoshi Nakamoto Institute [03:05]
ascii_modem clearly not [03:05]
danielpbarron "The general rule about Bitcoin upgrades, therefore, is that upgrades which increase Bitcoin's value will be adopted and those which do not will not. Therefore, Bitcoin is not likely to be upgraded in ways which make it easier to regulate because that would decrease the value of the coins. Bitcoin might be upgraded in ways that make it more anonymous because a more anonymous coin would likely be more valuable. An upgrade whi [03:06]
mircea_popescu this is such idiocy the likes of which was never seen. [03:06]
ben_vulpes ascii_modem: are you talking about the minor pestilence? [03:06]
ascii_modem aha [03:07]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell danielkrawisz what are you, the second coming of pangloss ? [03:07]
gribble The operation succeeded. [03:07]
mircea_popescu ""It is demonstrable," said he, "that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end. Observe, for instance, the nose is formed for spectacles, therefore we wear spectacles. The legs are visibly designed for stockings, accordingly we wear stockings. Stones were made to be hewn and to construct castles, therefore My Lord ha [03:07]
mircea_popescu s a magnificent castle; for the greatest baron in the province ought to be the best lodged. Swine were intended to be eaten, therefore we eat pork all the year round: and they, who assert that everything is right, do not express themselves correctly; they should say that everything is best."" [03:07]
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danielpbarron also from that article: "The nodes that really matter are the ones that provide valuable services. It doesn't matter if you upgrade. What matters is if Coinbase, BitStamp, and upgrade." [03:09]
ben_vulpes big blocks aren't a reality yet. [03:09]
ben_vulpes "whatever is is right" has yet to fall [03:09]
ben_vulpes big blocks are wrong and won't. [03:09]
mircea_popescu lol derp. [03:09]
mircea_popescu fine, i'm solkd [03:09]
ascii_modem re: stooge squad: simple hypothesis is that the toolkit being used on us was made for others. but - for whom? [03:10]
ascii_modem '4chan' ? [03:10]
mircea_popescu !rate danielkrawisz -1 go suck a coinbase, bitstamp and whatever cock. [03:10]
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mircea_popescu << if anyone cares, mark twain's "unprocurable" pornopamphlet. trasnslated. [03:17]
assbot Let us translate. From English to English. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [03:17]
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ascii_modem it needed translation?!? [03:20]
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ben_vulpes i too boggle somewhat [03:21]
ascii_modem i read it as is... [03:21]
mircea_popescu no, it didn't. [03:21]
mircea_popescu i needed to translate it. [03:21]
ascii_modem ah for sport. [03:22]
mircea_popescu right. perfectly fine as it is, but what is more tempting than to mess with an accomplished writer's words ? [03:23]
mircea_popescu think of it as, "i translated emacs to lisp" [03:23]
mircea_popescu or w/e, names not important. [03:23]
ascii_modem aha. [03:23]
mircea_popescu i think incidentally, that this is the fundamental impulse driving most bowdlerization. [03:24]
mircea_popescu it is not the "moral" considerations that drive it. the moral considerations are merely the pretext under which the inept hand takes refuge. [03:24]
mircea_popescu derp wants to rewrite X. but how to do it safely ? AH! I KNOW.... [03:24]
ascii_modem not only bowdlerizations but gavinizations [03:25]
mircea_popescu quite possibly. [03:25]
mircea_popescu it does make perfect sense in its devilish fatlogic system. lennart wants to matter, yes ? but how to do it safely ? AT JOB! [03:26]
mircea_popescu most starlets with youth fading, most inept actresses, most voiceless singers take refuge in scandal, because hey, "being controversial" is a good excuse to never consider if you're in fact any good. [03:27]
ascii_modem see orwell's piece on s. dali [03:27]
mircea_popescu im nopt that advanced yet. [03:28]
mircea_popescu rarely has it been the case that a man did a more thorough job of crushing himself before my eyes. [03:28]
ascii_modem touched on the pathology in question [03:28]
mircea_popescu and i come from a time and place where they had delatiune [03:28]
mircea_popescu which doesn't even exist in english. [03:28]
mircea_popescu (delatio -nis) [03:29]
ascii_modem what was it ? [03:30]
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mircea_popescu well the word means false police report for pay. but generally, the sort of late warsaw pact atmosphere. [03:30]
mircea_popescu "oh, your wife ? yeah she was writing weekly notes since 1972" [03:30]
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mircea_popescu basically, what the various "law enforcement officers" do in court these days. [03:31]
ascii_modem aha, стукачи [03:31]
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mircea_popescu not exactly. [03:31]
mircea_popescu the chief element is familiarity. [03:31]
mircea_popescu not very far off at any rate. [03:31]
ascii_modem yes that was the original type [03:32]
ascii_modem old witch who writes denunciation every day, etc [03:32]
mircea_popescu attracts a particularly felonious type, too. there's this guy, who claimed he never worked with the secret police, then they found fiddy pounds worth of notes, at which point he declared that it was the patriotic duty of everyone to help the secret police! [03:33]
mircea_popescu well if it was, then wh ythe fuck did you spend five years denying it. [03:33]
mircea_popescu "modesty". [03:34]
ascii_modem eventually they always turn up, those fiddypounds'o'notes [03:34]
ascii_modem i would like the writers to remember this. [03:34]
mircea_popescu how was that line, "self serving minds have little trouble overcoming memory" ? [03:35]
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ascii_modem aha [03:35]
ascii_modem battery low and bedtime now [03:37]
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mircea_popescu alf poetry. [03:37]
mircea_popescu !b 2 [03:37]
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mircea_popescu << b-a, cheaper than lsd! [03:38]
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TheNewDeal ;;bc,stats [03:39]
gribble Current Blocks: 342664 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 55 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 9 hours, 6 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44550240491.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.94073 [03:39]
TheNewDeal 8% you say gribbble? [03:40]
mircea_popescu could be worse. [03:40]
TheNewDeal agreed [03:42]
TheNewDeal if anyone is interested in the bitbet repurchase, refer to explanation here [03:45]
assbot Logged on 05-02-2015 20:41:39; TheNewDeal: Anyone interested in a bitbet repurchase? [03:45]
TheNewDeal good evening and good night [03:45]
TheNewDeal !down TheNewDeal [03:45]
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mircea_popescu !t m s.qntr [04:35]
assbot [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00025399 / 0.00025459 / 0.00026 (5000 shares, 1.27 BTC), 7D: 0.00018731 / 0.00022253 / 0.00026 (28038 shares, 6.24 BTC), 30D: 0.000174 / 0.00022151 / 0.00026 (28655 shares, 6.35 BTC) [04:35]
mircea_popescu heh not bad. [04:35]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 0.00022151 * 158788 [04:36]
gribble 35.17312988 [04:36]
mircea_popescu teh media empire worth north of 7k! [04:36]
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mircea_popescu << check out how helpful reddit is lmao. [04:40]
assbot What bitcoin blog, news or content websites do you follow ? : Bitcoin ... ( ) [04:40]
mircea_popescu seems pretty obvious who's gonna crush everyone. also seems everyone knows it. [04:42]
thestringpuller HAH [04:42]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100600 @ 0.00039703 = 39.9412 BTC [-] [05:31]
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assbot 2011 Casascius 1 BTC Series-1 ERROR HOLO ... ( ) [12:39]
nubbins` eff why eye [12:39]
thestringpuller [12:41]
nubbins` dat 2011 funding date [12:42]
mircea_popescu nubbins` 1.75 not bad [12:42]
nubbins` it's the dirtiest coin i have, figured i'd pawn it off and replace with a nicer specimen [12:43]
thestringpuller you're going to buy another one with the proceeds? [12:44]
thestringpuller lol [12:44]
nubbins` incidentally, i have a 1.125oz Canadian numismatic piece from 2013 that I priced the other day... has increased in value by 50% since last summer o.O [12:44]
nubbins` thestringpuller not precisely, no. [12:44]
thestringpuller my cascius coin is my first bitcoin ever purchased [12:44]
nubbins` i'm going to buy another with "my money" [12:45]
nubbins` whether this is the same money i receive from the sale of this coin is, i believe, inconsequential [12:45]
thestringpuller not incredibly inclined to sell it off for sentimental reasons etc [12:45]
* mircea_popescu thinks this entire "numismatics as an investment" thing is not unlike the "my balcony garden as a tomato farm" thing, but hey. [12:45]
nubbins` my first bitcoin ever purchased was smoked [12:45]
nubbins` mircea_popescu i really just like shiny things [12:46]
mircea_popescu lol. nubbins` la pie. [12:46]
nubbins` but once you get an eye for it, you're better able to identify what people will desire in the future [12:46]
nubbins` trying to decide if "magnubs" or "nubpie" is the more appropriate portmanteau [12:47]
nubbins` anyway [12:47]
nubbins` generally numismatics are a poor way to invest money [12:47]
nubbins` casascius market is full of fucking morons though [12:48]
mircea_popescu a pie a une manie : elle vole tout ce qui brille :D [12:49]
mircea_popescu i'd expect it's exactly as full of morons as bitcoin generally, just, you have better benchmarks in that corner. [12:49]
nubbins` je voudrais quelque choses, what they are, no one knows! [12:50]
nubbins` mircea_popescu you might be onto something [12:50]
nubbins` remember the time i sold two 0.5-btc casascius coins for 27 btc? o.O [12:50]
mircea_popescu notrly, but i can see it [12:51]
nubbins` sadly, i don't think this will be replicated [12:51]
thestringpuller such profit [12:52]
nubbins` many nod [12:52]
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nubbins` [13:17]
assbot Change my name! "I am __ Satoshi __." ... ( ) [13:17]
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assbot Armed Forces applicant cites discrimination over anxiety diagnosis - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News ... ( ) [13:21]
mircea_popescu derp wants someone to pay for his surgery because one month's worth of government dole is too much for him ? [13:21]
nubbins` kid's a natural soldier, just look at him [13:21]
mircea_popescu i meant the butter zone idjit. [13:21]
nubbins` nod [13:26]
nubbins` wait, surgery? [13:26]
nubbins` i thought he just wanted someone to pay $500 for him to change his middle name [13:26]
nubbins` also, who the fuck hates the name "jonathan" so much that they wanna change it? what a loser [13:27]
nubbins` ;;google jonathan richman since she started to ride [13:27]
gribble Jonathan Richman - Since She Started to Ride - YouTube: ; Jonathan Richman- "Since She Started to Ride" 40 Watt Club 2/6/10 ...: ; Jonathan Richman – Since She Started to Ride – Listen and ...: [13:27]
nubbins` ^ first link, straight up [13:27]
nubbins` “I just want to do some time for my country, give it some service,” Cooper, 17, told CBC News. [13:28]
nubbins` do some time? give it some service? [13:29]
nubbins` i think the kid is unsure as to whether the armed forces is a prison or a gang bang [13:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1974 @ 0.0007821 = 1.5439 BTC [-] {6} [13:30]
nubbins` leaving aside the fact that the kid faked a SINGLE panic attack TWO YEARS AGO in order to get out of an exam [13:30]
nubbins` and was put on prozac and diagnosed with a DISORDER [13:30]
mircea_popescu lol sounds porny. [13:31]
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nubbins` "I don't think that people should have to hide the fact that they have a mental illness," Cooper said. [13:41]
nubbins` lel [13:41]
nubbins` "i don't think people should have to hide the fact that they have blood-borne pathogens" says the guy with Hep C who can't donate blood [13:41]
mircea_popescu more importantly, who can't donate sperm. to women. directly. [13:42]
mircea_popescu anyway, people only should hide the fact that they have a mental ilness if they wish to get shot. [13:43]
mircea_popescu incidentally, my measure to resolve the "police violence" thing would be a) everyone with a mental issue must wear a funny hat. [13:44]
nubbins` i thought that's why cops wore funny hats. [13:44]
mircea_popescu it is. [13:44]
mircea_popescu but too one-sided. [13:44]
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davout today #b-a explains the fedoras thing [13:50]
mircea_popescu lol [13:51]
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mircea_popescu <<< i tell you, getting the girls only, and after a decade or two is the best policy. [13:52]
assbot Logged on 09-02-2015 08:48:34; cazalla: gee what an afternoon, kid makes a run for it while changing his nappy, i end up covered in shit and then piss [13:52]
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mircea_popescu davout: never heard about it, but apparently they're putting bs&t to shame with a $400mn loss, sounds doubtful << yeah srsly, sounds like pure bs. [13:55]
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mircea_popescu 1mn dollars AVERAGE exposure over 3k investors ? [13:56]
davout 400mn loss for 3000 investors -> 133k/investor [13:56]
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mircea_popescu yeah in usd. still, this is like mpoe level, i very much doubt it. [13:57]
mircea_popescu it's possible, obviously, the chinese are nazi-private, but i dun really see it. [13:57]
davout the whole thing is pure bs [13:57]
davout according to some random bitcointalk dude the chinese journalist computed the loss by multiplying fake bitcoins on the order book by the current market price [13:58]
asciilifeform ;;bc,stats [13:58]
mircea_popescu oh lol [13:58]
mircea_popescu heh nm. [13:58]
gribble Current Blocks: 342729 | Current Difficulty: 4.44554159623438E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 344735 | Next Difficulty In: 2006 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 22 hours, 36 minutes, and 23 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 66783348140.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 50.22545 [13:58]
asciilifeform 326535. [13:59]
mircea_popescu in this sense... ethereum will be a loss to people. [13:59]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform neat. this the pc valgrind ? [13:59]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aha [13:59]
asciilifeform i kinda forgot why i even set that one up [14:00]
asciilifeform iirc, we already know what there is to know re: that version [14:00]
mircea_popescu assbot: America’s Booty Obsession Is Another Symptom Of Social Decline << i also like ass. [14:00]
mircea_popescu yes but you;re supposed to let things finish [14:01]
asciilifeform that must've been it [14:01]
asciilifeform plus to see if can get any of the legendary wedges [14:01]
mircea_popescu mhm [14:01]
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mircea_popescu mike_c like the butcher said, "i merely follow the lulzlines already present". [14:03]
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mike_c hehe, yeah, that was a good one [14:07]
mircea_popescu to a large degree, it was obvious that once we move from "inflation pays for it" to "you gotta pay for it" the "consumers have come to expect" were going to throw a shitfest. [14:08]
mircea_popescu what that changes... ask them, not me, to borrow an alfism. [14:09]
mike_c it was always "you gotta pay for it". most people just don't connect the dots to understand that's what inflation is. [14:10]
mircea_popescu god preserve me from heresy but! so far inflaiton has actually been beneficial for bitcoin. [14:11]
mircea_popescu one could never have made a bitcoin without a block reward. this, of course, means that we now have a promise to renege on. but i'm not about to start reneging on promises. [14:11]
* thestringpuller makes note to look at this specific log later with popcorn in hand [14:13]
asciilifeform wai, wat, promise ? [14:14]
mike_c 21m [14:14]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes. "bitcoin will continue to function as before" [14:14]
mircea_popescu not merely 21mn. [14:14]
mike_c that's a big one though. [14:14]
mircea_popescu biggest, yes. [14:14]
mircea_popescu but economy is built on money and thus fungible. a bunch of small ones add up. [14:15]
asciilifeform '...with strange eons even death may die' etc [14:15]
mircea_popescu beheading naked kings on the vaguest whiff of approaching even small ones -> best policy. [14:15]
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mircea_popescu [14:37]
assbot Kenneth Douglas Says He Had Sex With Up to 100 Dead Bodies ... ( ) [14:37]
asciilifeform 'A key piece of evidence was Douglas’ wife’s testimony that when she called to report her husband coming home from work smelling like sex and alcohol, she was told “whatever happens on county property, in county time, is county business.”' [14:38]
asciilifeform ^ mega-l0l [14:38]
mircea_popescu cunty biznis. [14:39]
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mircea_popescu !up xeal [14:41]
-assbot- You voiced xeal for 30 minutes. [14:41]
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mircea_popescu it's a fact that beards grow after death. i wonder if women lubricate through a similar process. [14:41]
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mircea_popescu one of those things only a mortician would know./ [14:42]
asciilifeform iirc not grow but fail to shrink at pace with the rest of the face [14:42]
asciilifeform and hence appear to grow [14:42]
mircea_popescu right. [14:42]
asciilifeform the subject of juices was explored in some detail in the famous comic 'sexy losers' [14:42]
asciilifeform to which the word 'fap' is also credited [14:42]
mircea_popescu i neversaw this ? [14:45]
thestringpuller I wonder why justusravnier "wants adoption" his other blogposts seem sane... [14:46]
thestringpuller I guess people just don't like being told, "Hey you're poor, and excluded from this cool thing nao cause you are useless. Kthxbai." [14:47]
mircea_popescu i dunno. sent him a no answer yet. [14:47]
assbot Logged on 16-01-2015 05:10:16; mircea_popescu: justusranvier [14:47]
davout thestringpuller: no, some people had, buried somewhere in them, the idea that bitcoin would not only be money, but 'nice money' [14:47]
davout 'fair money' [14:47]
asciilifeform davout: 'Yes, it was once the case that you had to be a financier to send an intact penny across the ocean. But the fact that Bitcoin enables you to do so does not turn you into a financier. Nobody cancelled “money makes money.” It would be rather like demanding that an asteroid should have the gravitational pull of Earth. The Third Rock From The Sun can hold an atmosphere and your piece of cosmic flotsam can’t. Such [14:48]
asciilifeform is life. Quantity still has “a quality all its own.” Ten million dollars buys you a money printer, but ten dollars do not. Not even a proportionately-smaller one. Everyone who hopes to see some kind of democratizing influence in Bitcoin is gravely misguided: by some indications, the Bitcoin ecosystem is at least as “top heavy” as the world of meatspace finance.' << my ancient article [14:48]
mircea_popescu << shitty ux omfg. [14:49]
assbot #262 - Chafed Dickens [5 of 5] ... ( ) [14:49]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform exactly. [14:49]
thestringpuller davout how is money ever fucking fair? one person having more resources that are finite means another person has less?!?!? [14:49]
davout thestringpuller: 'fair money' exists in the mind of redditards, don't ask me what it means [14:50]
mircea_popescu davout daughter of the wider insanity "everything new is better" married with the patently nuts "better is what i imagine it to be". [14:50]
thestringpuller so people are entitled to use bitcoin...why? [14:50]
mircea_popescu coming from people who utterly refuse to admit they;d be better off in chains in someone;'s basement... well... what's to be expected. [14:51]
thestringpuller "Because it's my fucking right to use bitcoin even though I contribute nothing to it." [14:51]
davout yeah, also low fees pl0x [14:51]
thestringpuller Oh yea, we need to check our bitcoin privelage... >:( [14:52]
davout "sure you can use bitcoin if you want to" [14:52]
mircea_popescu THE CONSUMERS HAVE COME TO EXPECT [14:52]
davout TCHCTE yo [14:52]
asciilifeform refuse to admit they;d be better off in chains in someone;'s basement << afaik most of'em are boys and thus can expect only butugychag [14:52]
mircea_popescu expect != better off. [14:52]
mircea_popescu << ahahah [14:53]
assbot #261 - Chafed Dickens [4 of 5] ... ( ) [14:53]
asciilifeform meant, who needs them in basement? not me. [14:53]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform do yo uknow these people ? [14:53]
asciilifeform which [14:53]
mircea_popescu sexy losers [14:53]
thestringpuller this is like coworker who brings team down but is never fired because government keeps them working [14:53]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not personally. but i thought it was one of the most famous www comics ever published [14:54]
thestringpuller So the redditards want to impose straight up communism on us? [14:54]
mircea_popescu So please do not send me the following types of E-mail: "commission requests -- I just do not have the time for commissions" [14:54]
mircea_popescu wtf is wrong wit hthe world. [14:54]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i never saw an online comic before oglaf. [14:54]
asciilifeform there were as many as drops in the sea [14:55]
asciilifeform i knew about 'oglaf' and 'sexy losers.' [14:55]
asciilifeform the only memorable ones i ever saw. [14:55]
asciilifeform the latter has been dead for many years, iirc [14:56]
danielpbarron even i briefly authored a web commic, although i don't think any copies of it remain anywhere [14:56]
mircea_popescu abadoned 2009 so mkay. [14:56]
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mircea_popescu by the way, if ne1 here has a fetlife account, i finally moved over, drop me a line. [15:03]
mircea_popescu bwahahah [15:05]
assbot #257 - Chafed Dickens [1 of 5] ... ( ) [15:05]
danielpbarron The sexual desire is a God given desire (Romans 11:36) and it is not evil in and of itself (Romans 14:14). Moreover, God has made a way for even those who are not married (male or female), or those who are away from their spouse (like a soldier at war), to at least somewhat satisfy the sexual drive via masturbation. It is oppressive to teach that such an act is against the will o [15:09]
assbot A True Church - Masturbation ... ( ) [15:09]
mircea_popescu the entire "every sperm is sacred" thing is more reaction-catholicism than anything. [15:10]
mircea_popescu [15:11]
assbot Every Sperm is Sacred - Monty Python's The Meaning of Life - YouTube ... ( ) [15:11]
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danielpbarron catholics freely admit that they don't follow the Bible, and that some guy with a funny hat can arbitrarily change the rules as he pleases [15:12]
ben_vulpes it is all a bit silly. [15:12]
mircea_popescu actualy, papal infallibility is ancient law. [15:12]
mircea_popescu also reaction catholicism, but more 600ish than 1800ish [15:13]
ben_vulpes right up there with the sovereignty of sovereigns. [15:13]
mircea_popescu hey, technically a valid claim. all of europe exists as embezzled provinces of the roman empire. [15:13]
mircea_popescu o wait. i thought you meant the pope's (abandoned) claim of sovereignity over teh sovereigns. [15:15]
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davout aaaaaand we're back to hats for nutjobs [15:16]
mircea_popescu speaking of hats for nutjobs, always remember to wear your condom! [15:17]
danielpbarron lol [15:17]
mircea_popescu speaking of which, condoms = masturbation don't they. [15:17]
mircea_popescu << bwahahah. [15:18]
assbot #007 - Suicide Prevention Week ... ( ) [15:18]
mircea_popescu "hey, suicide guy, you gonna kill youself ?" "yeah. life sucks." "wanna fuck first ?" "no, you freak!" "i guess ima have to wait for your body to wash ashore." [15:18]
danielpbarron in Bible terms, it's enough to "lay with" someone, or "know her," or "see her nakedness" ; not sure a condom would get in the way of those things [15:20]
davout danielpbarron: i heard gavin andresen wants to add a couple extra chapters to it, for moar adopshun [15:21]
danielpbarron he wouldn't be the first [15:22]
mircea_popescu considering how it came to be... [15:22]
mircea_popescu "oh, people mock us for being essentially jew torrent artists ? FINE. WRITE A CONTINUATION." [15:22]
davout christians are on gavinbible, jooz run pogobibles [15:23]
danielpbarron jews add too; they have sets of books of "oral tradition" separate from the scriptures [15:23]
mircea_popescu davout well the split happened after some pretty heavy duty pruning. [15:24]
davout danielpbarron: it's ok to have sidechains! [15:24]
davout mircea_popescu: what pruning? [15:25]
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mircea_popescu the jew books are about 5x the new+old testament. [15:25]
davout ah, i see [15:26]
asciilifeform approx. the same size as a set of 'britannica.' [15:26]
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mircea_popescu and yes, on top of that there's a web of commentary stretching out approx to the roman period. [15:26]
mircea_popescu roughly about the same weight as what in europe constitutes "the humanities". [15:26]
mircea_popescu the us doesn't have an equivalent. [15:27]
ben_vulpes asshat talmud when [15:27]
mircea_popescu (so a bunch of idiot chicks are trying to write it, out of boring gender and race stories) [15:27]
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mircea_popescu in fact, as ridiculous as mormonism is, he is an exact copy. the cultural relationship between judaism and christianity is exactly the same as between christianity and mormonism : a barely literate lout ran off with a few pages and made his own, self-important "variant", [15:32]
mircea_popescu much in the way kids used to replace the "made by" strings in the old 8086 days with a hex editor. [15:32]
asciilifeform fork [15:32]
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nubbins` re: sexy losers [15:36]
nubbins` any of you remember when it was called "the thin H line"? [15:36]
asciilifeform me. [15:36]
nubbins` iirc the guy got outed in meatspace and had to "disappear" the old name [15:36]
nubbins` turns out he worked with kids in some capacity? heh [15:36]
asciilifeform now this - i never knew. [15:36]
nubbins` i can't recall the details, but i feel like at the time it was a sort of "english teacher overseas" thing [15:37]
mircea_popescu seems he lives in japan [15:37]
nubbins` and his employers caught whiff of this necro-mastur-porn comic he did [15:37]
mircea_popescu english teacher ;likely thing for a foreigner there to do. [15:37]
nubbins` it went down for a while, came back as "sexy losers" [15:37]
mircea_popescu mebbe he actually went because he wanted to jacvk off to 12yo jap gals. [15:38]
nubbins` mircea_popescu you probably would not be surprised at how common this is [15:38]
nubbins` speaking from experience, roughly half of all ESL teachers are "strange" [15:38]
mircea_popescu indeed. [15:38]
asciilifeform at one point, it was possible for virtually anyone who speaks engl. to find work in jp 'teaching' [15:39]
asciilifeform ('90s-?) [15:39]
nubbins` incidentally, a guy i went to uni with, and whom i help get oriented on his first day in south korea, is now a straight-up major label pop star [15:39]
nubbins` asciilifeform 90s-late 2000s [15:39]
nubbins` technically 90s-present depending on your tolerance for working illegally [15:39]
mircea_popescu fwiw, this particular sort of strange would definitely benefit from support more than OUTRAGE OMG!!1 [15:40]
mircea_popescu on one hand, it does exactly nothing to anyone, including the kids in question, that some weirdo jacks off. [15:40]
mircea_popescu on the other hand, man... that's some serious issues. [15:41]
mircea_popescu on my tenuous grasp of insanity, it'd seem that it's an entirely vacuous thing, which takes the shape you impose upon it. if you insist it's dangerous... it will probably grow some dangerous appendages. if you treat it as benign, it will basically be benign. [15:42]
nubbins` it's only okay to have /some/ mental illnesses [15:42]
mircea_popescu i dunno what's more alienating than the bizarre that obviously feeds this comic strip. [15:43]
nubbins` hm i recall this one SL comic [15:43]
mircea_popescu i mean, neurosis is one thing. this however... [15:43]
nubbins` girl goes to porn audition, guy says "we have roles left in two films: 'beaten to death by hard cock' and 'do not talk to me, just cum on my face'" [15:43]
nubbins` girl says "hmmmmm" [15:43]
nubbins` later seen in change room, face glazed, asking girl covered in bruises "so what film were you in?" [15:44]
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mircea_popescu is this like a blonde joke ? [15:45]
nubbins` [15:47]
assbot #194 - Bukkake Nights ... ( ) [15:47]
mircea_popescu << lolz. [15:55]
assbot #036 - Calling Doctor Lovetalk ... ( ) [15:55]
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ben_vulpes blast from the past! [15:56]
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mircea_popescu back when you were shy ? [15:57]
ben_vulpes dunno that i've ever been shy [15:59]
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thestringpuller ben_vulpes: but you have been coy ;) [16:12]
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cazalla nubbins`: incidentally, a guy i went to uni with, and whom i help get oriented on his first day in south korea, is now a straight-up major label pop star <<< western kpop stars exist? [16:21]
nubbins` ;;google used cassettes [16:22]
gribble USED CASSETTES - 열대,우리 (OFFICIAL MUSIC VIDEO) - YouTube: ; 유즈드 카세트 | Facebook: ; Used Cassettes (@usedcassettes) | Twitter: [16:22]
cazalla nubbins`, not my sorta music, i'll stick to hyuna [16:24]
nubbins` ;;google crying nut circus magic wanderers [16:25]
gribble Crying Nut - Circus Magic - YouTube: ; 100Beat's 100 Best Korean Albums of the '90s - Rate Your Music: ; South Korean punk discography - Tian An Men 89 Records: [16:25]
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thestringpuller << moar lulz!!!! [16:30]
thestringpuller i love this block size/hard fork "debate" [16:30]
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mircea_popescu "It's largely engineers who think about it in terms of game theory. They think that if you have unlimited blocksize, then the cost of transactions will go to zero because there will always be a competitor that is willing to include transactions even if you're charging X. They believe this will cause a race to bottom and there won't be any incentive for miners to secure the network because they can't cover costs. [16:51]
mircea_popescu I think of it from the perspective of utility. " [16:51]
mircea_popescu o look at it, suddenly the arguments that didn't exist now exist ? [16:51]
mircea_popescu except they don't have a source, somehow, magically ? [16:51]
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mircea_popescu "something i heard from all the people that all read trilema but i won't mention this" [16:52]
asciilifeform 'Ye Queene.—O' God's name, who hath favored us? Hath it come to pass yt a fart shall fart itself?' [16:52]
mircea_popescu what i find comedic is the sort of schmuck that thinks he'll survive on intellectual dishonestly. here's the story : if i made it and you stole it, whatever you think about it and however you're representing it... it'll still work for me. not for you. that's the thing with culture. [16:52]
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mircea_popescu five years ago romania was replete with kids who rewrote trilema articles about this and that to be like all cool and civilised and worldly and whatnot. [16:53]
mircea_popescu five years later... shit, it's the same thing. herp. [16:53]
mircea_popescu but anyway : it's not "mostly engineers". it's 100% of all the business people actually involved with bitcoin. [16:54]
pete_dushenski maybe "mostly engineers" are those horse-riding folk [16:55]
pete_dushenski the ones who can code a bit [16:55]
thestringpuller o look a pete_dushenski [16:55]
mircea_popescu at any rate, all this talk of "utility of bitcoin" can get fucked. it's a flimsy if doomed and in any case transparent attempt to frame the question in fiat terms. [16:55]
thestringpuller gotten me writin' blog posts again [16:55]
thestringpuller :P [16:55]
mircea_popescu the utility OF EVERYTHING justifies itself in bitcoin terms. [16:55]
pete_dushenski thestringpuller: heya :) [16:55]
mircea_popescu bitcoin itself is money. that means BEYOND ANY UTILITY CONSIDERATION. [16:56]
mircea_popescu fucking period. [16:56]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: what I don't get is why people are freaking out they will have to pay a lot of money to use the system? [16:56]
mircea_popescu all it has to do is make sure it's the best money. which it did. once that's done, utility is not a concern. you will work the blockchain if you have to do it by hand in dank cellars chained to the wall, [16:56]
pete_dushenski like the sun is energy [16:56]
mircea_popescu and ship the results by horse courrier [16:56]
thestringpuller How do poor people have this much energy to be this vocal about something they will not be able to control... [16:56]
mircea_popescu repackaging of ther "oh, utility of mining, all that electrictiy burned for nothing" crapolade. [16:57]
pete_dushenski thestringpuller: because that's what makes them poor [16:57]
pete_dushenski as per the definition [16:57]
mircea_popescu the point of money is exactly this : that it may not itself be measured. there's no "utility" of money. it exclusively exists to measure everything else. [16:57]
asciilifeform if fleas could speak, i imagine they would be similarly vocal about the proper behaviour of dogs [16:57]
pete_dushenski their energy has no utility [16:57]
mircea_popescu every redditard's mother, can be measured in bitcoin. [16:57]
pete_dushenski to which: [16:58]
assbot The value of a life. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( ) [16:58]
pete_dushenski man i know how to time it [16:58]
pete_dushenski i'm generous enough to propose that the value of a free and productive man is a bitcent [16:58]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: Yes, but back in the day people would just die after wasting too much energy trying to change something absolute in inevitability. (Doing rain dances during droughts instead of looking into irrigation). [16:58]
thestringpuller It's like the dinosaurs getting mad at mammals instead of the asteroid or something like that. [16:59]
pete_dushenski "what is the utility of a centimetre!" [16:59]
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pete_dushenski "Cathy Engelbert has been named chief executive of Deloitte LLP, the first woman to become CEO of one of the Big Four accounting firms in the U.S." [17:02]
pete_dushenski oh sweet another fallguy [17:02]
mircea_popescu what big four ? one of them died with enron neh ? [17:02]
mircea_popescu are they bringing the corpse back in on the quiet ? [17:03]
pete_dushenski pwc, deloitte... [17:03]
pete_dushenski google says kpmg, e&y [17:03]
mircea_popescu o they just promoted one [17:04]
pete_dushenski myea guess so [17:04]
mircea_popescu no more arthur andersen [17:04]
pete_dushenski the "new" 4 are all $25-35 bn in annual revenue [17:05]
pete_dushenski 160k-210k employees [17:06]
pete_dushenski so roughly of comparable size [17:06]
mircea_popescu funny, aa had like 80k iirc. [17:06]
mircea_popescu apparently accountancy become a pretty good business in the us, past decade. [17:06]
mircea_popescu who knew that expropriation creates bureaucracy1 [17:06]
pete_dushenski you nailed it: 85k employees, $9bn revenue in '02 [17:07]
mircea_popescu so "twice the money" except it's probably the same value, [17:07]
mircea_popescu and twice the employees so half the real salaries. [17:07]
pete_dushenski sure, that's be like what 6% inflation over 13 years [17:07]
pete_dushenski closer to 5 even [17:07]
pete_dushenski and wikitardia is saying that aa was part of the "big five" [17:08]
mircea_popescu retrospectively ? [17:09]
pete_dushenski seems so ? link for "big five" goes to "big four" article... [17:10]
mircea_popescu lol [17:10]
mircea_popescu it all makes sense in retrospect! [17:10]
pete_dushenski "of course the usd was going to vanish!" [17:10]
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mircea_popescu "we said so all along" [17:11]
pete_dushenski oh and another scoop from yesterday: [17:13]
assbot This is how it feels. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( ) [17:13]
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mircea_popescu pete_dushenski the vid is actually quite credible. [17:14]
mircea_popescu it has the look. [17:14]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: to this day there are rumours that the food was 'hidden somewhere' by usg stooges to cause shortages. [17:16]
mircea_popescu ayup [17:16]
asciilifeform and widely believed. [17:16]
mircea_popescu "the good tzar" [17:16]
mircea_popescu "it is not possible we just simply suck. our excellent goodness is hidden somewhere. if we coud just unleash the real we..." [17:16]
asciilifeform moar like 'it is not possible that the burst of suction came at just the ideally convenient time, direction, and vacuum pressure.' [17:17]
asciilifeform (without help) [17:17]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: that video was quite literally one of that saddest things i've seen in months [17:17]
asciilifeform wai wat ? [17:18]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform am i hiding all the good nsa agents somewhere too ? [17:18]
asciilifeform l0l [17:18]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: all the good agents are busy hunting for ilfak guilfanov, they wanna find new version of 'ida pro'. [17:19]
asciilifeform best theory [17:19]
asciilifeform (he and his sales derps are notoriously hard to get a hold of. one of the smallest - moneywise - and simultaneously ill-behaved monopolies i know of!) [17:20]
pete_dushenski wiki says ilfak lives in liege [17:20]
pete_dushenski not a huge place afaik [17:20]
asciilifeform aha now go buy from him. [17:20]
mircea_popescu it's only a monopoly by virtue of everyone else being retards [17:21]
asciilifeform aha [17:21]
asciilifeform how else. [17:21]
mircea_popescu oh , im sorry. "do-ocracistst" [17:21]
mircea_popescu well, normally monopoly is like this : i hire five ex convicts to beat up any boy that stands up, thus leaving me the only eligible teenager i nthe highschool. because no girl wants to fuck any of the other losers. [17:22]
asciilifeform it's a genuine monopoly, vs. usg derpopoly. as in, there is literally nothing that is fit to so much as lick the product's boots [17:22]
mircea_popescu THIS monopoly is more like, i'm the only kid that washes. [17:22]
mircea_popescu not a monopoly in any sense. [17:22]
mircea_popescu this is good and proper natural-ness. things as they should be. [17:22]
asciilifeform 'coca colas' with no 'pepsis' at their heels tend to grow stupider [17:22]
pete_dushenski because ida isn't supressing competition [17:23]
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pete_dushenski not like ilfak is lobbying the state [17:23]
asciilifeform one can do a certain amount of 'suppression' just by being l33t enough [17:23]
mircea_popescu this is not supression. [17:23]
asciilifeform as in, everybody else gives up. [17:23]
mircea_popescu yeah. that's what's supposed to happen. [17:24]
asciilifeform net effect, one guy [17:24]
asciilifeform who starts going mad in his juices [17:24]
mircea_popescu it's not a matter of effects. it's a matter of causes. [17:24]
asciilifeform not that there is really any pill against this kind of thing [17:24]
mircea_popescu moreover, this "follow effects bs" is what leads one to "property is theft" [17:25]
asciilifeform but it's a problem, and anyone even casually involved in the field (of named example) is aware of it [17:25]
mircea_popescu after all, "the net effect is same" [17:25]
mircea_popescu i fail to see how it is a problem. [17:25]
mircea_popescu explain it to me. [17:25]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the proggy is a misery to use; works very half-heartedly anywhere other than winblows; costs $maxint; and, more direly, is not especially actively maintained. but there is nothing remotely like an alternative, not even a 'distant second', nor is anyone (afaik) remotely contemplating the idea of making one. [17:26]
mircea_popescu but i mean the problem. [17:26]
mircea_popescu so far all we got is "x sucks" [17:26]
asciilifeform x sucks and no competition [17:27]
mircea_popescu this can't be a problem. it's like mp's triangle : x sucks , no competition, anyone cares. [17:27]
asciilifeform because the hero is not yet born. [17:27]
mircea_popescu pick two. [17:27]
asciilifeform no one cares -enough- [17:27]
mircea_popescu so then. [17:27]
asciilifeform local maxima. [17:27]
mircea_popescu so then sit in your locale and be happy [17:28]
mircea_popescu why do you wanna go in locales you don't like the maxima. [17:28]
pete_dushenski seems like alf just "wishes it were better" [17:28]
pete_dushenski and would probably even endeavour to make it so if "only had the time" [17:28]
mircea_popescu every wish is sacred, every wish is good... [17:28]
mircea_popescu but i can see his point. waste of time to go into the guts of windows. [17:29]
pete_dushenski just my reading between the lines [17:29]
mircea_popescu so... don't. [17:29]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: try to realize that to the extent reverse-engineered drivers exist for various things, the entire undertaking stands - and falls - on w4r3z 'ida pro' as much as on leaked/stolen docs [17:29]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i understand that part. [17:29]
asciilifeform it's one of the elephants/tortoises on which the entire thing shakily stands. [17:29]
asciilifeform and it's a lame elephant with gangrenous legs. [17:30]
pete_dushenski turtle swimming through the stars... [17:30]
mircea_popescu and you're right in pointing out that ida is probably a thing to rewrite, alongside gpg, etc [17:30]
asciilifeform dwarfs most of the projects we've discussed here in the sheer intrinsic gnarliness. [17:30]
mircea_popescu which is why not muchly discussed. [17:31]
asciilifeform the part i was trying to answer was 'why do you wanna go in locales you don't like the maxima' [17:31]
mircea_popescu it may be the case that the maxima is fine. [17:32]
mircea_popescu ie, that's the best that can be had. [17:32]
asciilifeform winblows is axiomatically not part of any future 'best that can be had' that i'm willing to interoperate with. [17:33]
mircea_popescu yeah why the fucxk did the guy write it in win anywa [17:33]
asciilifeform as a usg appendage, it is for the furnace. [17:33]
asciilifeform why orcs tend to write, think, live, breathe in winblows, is worthy of its own thread. [17:33]
asciilifeform but it is a well-established fact [17:34]
asciilifeform unfortunately. [17:34]
asciilifeform my understanding is that ru, cn folks, by and large, never gave even a basic fuck re: open source whatever, until very recently and still insignificantly [17:34]
mircea_popescu odd. [17:35]
asciilifeform because on no account did anyone there remotely contemplate paying for software [17:35]
asciilifeform or foreign warez being unavailable [17:35]
mircea_popescu but that's not really what's deriving it. [17:35]
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mircea_popescu i suppose the problem is that the us is fully aspirational, whereas the ru world a lot more practical. [17:35]
asciilifeform aha [17:35]
pete_dushenski i think it's the "it worked for the us" thing again [17:35]
asciilifeform cn - same [17:35]
mircea_popescu no dude seriously contemplates telling parents / prospect / parents of prosepct that "he contributes to wikipedia" [17:35]
pete_dushenski same as concrete highways to nowhere [17:35]
mircea_popescu odd that foss got a lot further in latin america. [17:36]
mircea_popescu if it were "it worked for us" it'd be mre latin america and less ru. [17:36]
mircea_popescu not the other way around. [17:36]
pete_dushenski romania too afaik [17:36]
asciilifeform there is also a parallel, historical explanation [17:36]
pete_dushenski likes foss [17:36]
asciilifeform in late-years ussr, university education included unix [17:36]
asciilifeform but all the native pdp clones, their unixen, etc. were sent to the dump [17:37]
asciilifeform when native, and then imported ibm pc compatibles appeard [17:37]
mircea_popescu hm. [17:37]
asciilifeform instantly - msdos and then winblows [17:37]
mircea_popescu odd. [17:37]
pete_dushenski latin america has really only imitated the us to the extent that they've been forced to [17:38]
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asciilifeform by the time it became practical to keep a unix box at home in ru, most of the 'candidates' for this were already enjoying the rewards of writing elaborate winblows crapware, etc. [17:38]
pete_dushenski russia has done so because... grocery stores [17:38]
mircea_popescu basically the problem is negative incentives. lots of money to be made from windows holes. [17:39]
asciilifeform not primarily holes [17:39]
asciilifeform but warez [17:39]
asciilifeform the tradition of parasitizing on foreign devs for virtually all needs - continued [17:40]
* mircea_popescu shrugs. [17:40]
asciilifeform somewhat tangentially, it was never at all likely that a thing like 'ida' would be produced by anyone other than a thinking man who happens to be a hardcore winblows user. [17:42]
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mircea_popescu not enough need ? [17:42]
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asciilifeform have to be a fanatical scholar of winblowsism. [17:42]
mircea_popescu true, this. [17:43]
mircea_popescu obviously, it has source code, right ? [17:43]
asciilifeform referring here to instances where microshit sources leaked ? [17:43]
asciilifeform (or what) [17:44]
mircea_popescu no, ida itself. [17:44]
asciilifeform aha [17:44]
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mircea_popescu it's not hand written straight into bytecode. [17:44]
mircea_popescu so at some point the corp's gonna go bankrupt and you can buy the code then [17:44]
mircea_popescu prolly for cheap as nobody cares. [17:45]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: gonna bet that it'll end up in the same place as symbolics sources [17:45]
mircea_popescu where's that ? [17:45]
asciilifeform usg limbo [17:45]
asciilifeform 'dog in the manger' [17:45]
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mircea_popescu this is not very clear. [17:46]
mircea_popescu and what were symbolics sources in anyway, cl ? [17:46]
asciilifeform i happen to know with fair degree of certainty that the number one buyer of 'ida' is usg. [17:46]
asciilifeform at least, as of several years ago. [17:46]
mircea_popescu hm. [17:47]
asciilifeform the symbolics sources in the usual sense (of lisp) are largely on 'pirate bay'. but they are quite useless without the chip design. [17:48]
mircea_popescu hey, any foxy force five chicks in the audience : there's a job to bust into the liege offices of a tiny firm and steal source code. catsuit optional. get in touch. [17:48]
asciilifeform as an experiment, i spoke to dave schmidt (actual person, went to his house, bought an ancient machine.) pleasant old man. and asked re: buying docs. he claimed that he was not at liberty to sell, at any price, due to pacts with usg. [17:49]
asciilifeform as far as i remember the conversation, that's the part that stuck with me. [17:49]
asciilifeform [17:49]
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mircea_popescu well, so you can have them post-usg [17:50]
asciilifeform ^ used to be '' - oldest registered .com - in fact. but dks sold it to spammers (yes) to pay bills a few yrs ago. [17:50]
mircea_popescu not entirely clear to me who cares about an obsolete chip design, but hey. [17:50]
* asciilifeform in his judgement does not believe it to be 'obsolete' in the normal sense of the word. [17:51]
cazalla ;;rate -10000 scoopbot lazy, doesn't come around these parts much anymore [17:51]
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mircea_popescu mebbe you're right. [17:52]
mircea_popescu ;;seen peterl [17:52]
gribble peterl was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 0 hours, 37 minutes, and 1 second ago: My wife's bike was once stolen out of our garage ... whoever took it left their bike sitting in our yard. It was the weirdest thing. [17:52]
pete_dushenski cazalla: i concur wholeheartedly [17:52]
asciilifeform foxy force five chicks << the funny part is that very little would change re: the situation of 'ida' if the author published his sources tomorrow. [17:52]
asciilifeform it's in gnarly, stinking cpp, similar to bitcoind... [17:52]
mircea_popescu dude what is this thing, everyone can make sites nobody can keep them online. [17:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform listen. wanting for the sake of want is not enough. you gotta want something. [17:52]
asciilifeform ... and want enough. [17:53]
asciilifeform as in, willing to bleed [17:53]
asciilifeform this point is under-appreciated [17:53]
asciilifeform (to any 'symbolics' fans: my investigations suggest - but do not prove! that the rights to the assets were purchased, several years ago, by an nsa shill corp. for somewhere south of 5m usd.) [17:56]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform by the way, for what it's worth you should probably make a complete wish list and publish it. [17:58]
mircea_popescu you never know what the next bundle of leaks includes, or who's a reader. [17:58]
mircea_popescu so far the biggest problem anon suffers from is that it doesn't really know what to get. [17:58]
pete_dushenski "On the 1st of October 2014 we invested ฿1 in the house bank of the top 9 bitcoin gambling investments sites" [18:00]
asciilifeform the truly interesting leaks would be the 'great mysteries' cited in - but the boojum lies in the total impossibility of authenticating any such leak. [18:00]
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pete_dushenski result: "37% scam rate & -24% ROI in 5 months" [18:00]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski hehehe sounds bout right. [18:00]
pete_dushenski because who needs a wot amirite ? [18:01]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform again, wanting for the sake of wanting is no gooid. you gotta want something. [18:01]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski tell em not me :D [18:01]
pete_dushenski lol this cult is the best choir though [18:01]
asciilifeform i'll elaborate re: above: 'directorate xxx was unable to break rsa despite five quadrillion bezzlars blown in five years' is only mildly interesting because directorate yyy might have a functioning voodoo doll from whose arsehole keys drip on demand. etc. [18:01]
asciilifeform leak cannot 'prove a negative' [18:01]
mircea_popescu practical. "i want the chip designs for the original symbolics. i want pictures of malia obama eating out sasha obama. i want the average bra size of us uniforms" [18:02]
mircea_popescu actionable stuff. [18:03]
mircea_popescu lol [18:03]
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thestringpuller mircea_popescu: "Who's actually arguing this? The Romanian camel dude?" [18:43]
thestringpuller ^LOL [18:43]
mircea_popescu huh ? [18:44]
thestringpuller < from redditards [18:44]
thestringpuller i thought it was funny. i laugh at beavis and butthead. reddit is pretty much that. [18:45]
mircea_popescu shit, reddit was mike judge's comeback all along ? [18:45]
mircea_popescu fuck, son... i am surprist. [18:45]
thestringpuller just need to wait from some kid to die from doing something they saw on reddit [18:46]
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thestringpuller "The world doesn't need millions of copies of the blockchain. 10,000 copies is probably enough." << the pseudo-arguments just get funnier and funnier [18:47]
danielpbarron why not one copy run by gavin himself? [18:47]
mircea_popescu there's little funnier than watching the socialist/libertard lot coming to terms with the notiopn that their collective anal rings are gripping on my cock whenever i feel like. [18:49]
mircea_popescu the only serious promise bitcoin makes is, there's more of that to come. [18:49]
asciilifeform where is the sign that they are coming to terms with any of it ? [18:49]
thestringpuller "No, Gavin said this can still run on a normal internet connection. Other alt-coin have "master node" and all that crap. Nobody force anyone to be a full node, and nobody that is currently running a full node is complaining. [18:49]
thestringpuller The idea is not to prevent bitcoin but to empower it." [18:49]
mircea_popescu "oh, we're so right and in agreement and important and relevant!111" [18:50]
thestringpuller LOL. "But Gavin told us it does run on "normal" internet" [18:50]
thestringpuller !ascii pogo count [18:50]
thestringpuller lolol [18:50]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform well, frantic activity is not just a cover-up for impotence. it is also the first step towards acceptance. [18:50]
asciilifeform all i can see (with admittedly untrained eye) is the usual daily anthill [18:50]
asciilifeform and its usual motions [18:51]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: it's like person who struggling under water while drowning [18:51]
mircea_popescu well yes. an anal ring is, the usual cellular chemistry, and biodynamics. [18:51]
mircea_popescu just, it pulsates around a different pole these days is all. [18:51]
mircea_popescu minor point, obviously. [18:51]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: first tehy scream and panic and eventually just take it [18:51]
thestringpuller like stages of grief it appears [18:52]
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mircea_popescu lawl. [18:55]
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mircea_popescu you know, the entire point of the "hypocrisy" of civilisation, and the accumulated pile of ridiculous, wrong and stupid [18:56]
mircea_popescu it's all here to avoid this situation. [18:56]
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mircea_popescu also not bad [18:59]
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danielpbarron "GIT - the stupid content tracker, the revision control system heavily used by the Linux kernel team" << description of git package in gentoo, lol [19:18]
mircea_popescu what's gentoo use ? [19:21]
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mircea_popescu inb4 perl [19:23]
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BingoBoingo << Engineering oversight mega-lol [19:26]
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asciilifeform !s phototransistors [19:27]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo ^ [19:27]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I'm just wondering why they included the bare silicon die sitting atop solder balls. I know their goal is "cheap" but it seems like they crossed over into "cheap" [19:29]
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mircea_popescu it's small. [19:29]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: SOP in chinese crap. but traditionally there is a blob of black epoxy over them. in this case - starvation-cheap, omitted the epoxy. [19:29]
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cazalla while i sit here and eat the carrot cake i made last night and enjoy a cuppa, you know what would be really good? a cake tin that bakes slices of cake so that every slice is an end bit [19:40]
mircea_popescu what are you, elaine ? [19:41]
cazalla funny you mention that, a slice and the topper of son's first birthday cake is in the freezer.. will remain there for god knows how long [19:42]
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mircea_popescu knew a guy that actually buried it with a tree he planted. [19:49]
mircea_popescu then when the kid was like 12, some dude drove into the tree [19:50]
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mircea_popescu sawed it right off. then this guy was about to kill the driver while waitig for ambulance [19:50]
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cazalla i'd just as soon throw it in the bin but.. missus demands to keep it for some reason despite the fact it will eventually go into the bin yet take up freezer room for fucking years to come [19:51]
* asciilifeform considered miniaturized cryostats for consumer market at one point, for weirdos like this [19:54]
mircea_popescu if only there was semiconductor [19:55]
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asciilifeform superconductor ? [19:56]
mircea_popescu right [19:56]
mircea_popescu forget lasers, those things'd make some pretty kickass engines. [19:57]
asciilifeform cheap enough cryostat would give you cheapo superconductor, but afaik - not vice versa [19:57]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform a wire with no resistence consumes no energy right ? but electric charge moving still creates field, right ? [20:00]
mircea_popescu infinity efficiency compressor. [20:00]
asciilifeform nope. [20:00]
asciilifeform 2nd law violation. [20:00]
mircea_popescu don';t bust the dream. mebbe 2nd law is repealed :D [20:00]
asciilifeform l0l [20:00]
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asciilifeform think this way, the moving charge in the superconductor is analogous to the motions of other bodies which do no 'work' in the thermodynamic sense [20:02]
cjc Thanks mircea_popescu, How are you today? [20:02]
mircea_popescu i ate too much chocolate cake. [20:03]
mircea_popescu otherwise, fine. why ? [20:03]
cjc I would like chocolate cake -- but will instead have pizza delivered soon. [20:04]
* asciilifeform by sheer coincidence also ate too much chocolate cake [20:04]
cjc No reason for asking other than salutations. [20:04]
mircea_popescu pizza schmizza. home made (actually, slave made!) black sponge cake with bananas in a rich chocolate ganache. from scratch! [20:04]
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cjc It would be nice to have been eating desert instead right now. [20:07]
cjc dessert, rather? [20:07]
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mircea_popescu depends if you had any sand in mind. [20:09]
TheNewDeal Deserts not a bad meal either [20:09]
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cjc When you describe the black sponge cake from scratch... it sounds like you have happy and well kept slaves. [20:14]
mircea_popescu for teh most part. [20:14]
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mircea_popescu speaking of which, there's a bitcoin kink group. 90 guys of which 50% over 50, 10 gals, of which half from thailand. [20:15]
asciilifeform << mega-lol [20:15]
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cazalla always found it bizarre "winners don't use drugs" would appear in the arcade games i played here, didn't even know what drugs were at the time [20:17]
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mircea_popescu early branding. [20:17]
cazalla i'm 10, playing TMNT.. why is DOJ telling me about drugs? [20:17]
mircea_popescu so you recognize it later. [20:18]
mircea_popescu otherwise local druglord' be all "hey kid, want some drugs ?" and you'd be "huh ?" [20:18]
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cjc eh, oddly enough -- once my friends from high school started having kids and telling me how the doctors wanted to pump them up with pills as soon as they were school age.. [20:20]
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cjc it seems the pusher is the school teacher for "behavioral meds" or the doctor [20:20]
asciilifeform cjc: [20:22]
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mircea_popescu heh. [20:22]
asciilifeform at this point, ancient tradition. [20:22]
* asciilifeform still thinks it's reddit, not the dope, that gives us the 'nobody born after '90 is worth talking to' situation. [20:23]
mircea_popescu wakit [20:23]
mircea_popescu aderall is actually meth !? [20:23]
asciilifeform neh [20:23]
cjc apparently [20:23]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it';s the parents, the meds, the other kids in this order, my guess. [20:24]
TheNewDeal Its the dumbed down version [20:24]
thestringpuller no adderall is pretty much meth [20:24]
mircea_popescu !up taub [20:24]
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mircea_popescu !gettrust assbot taub [20:25]
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asciilifeform i'll let BingoBoingo explain how one has faster blood-brain penetration than other, lipid solubility, etc. [20:26]
asciilifeform if he feels like it [20:26]
thestringpuller cazalla: I thought about that a lot throughout college. [20:26]
taub thank you [20:26]
taub i cant into pgp [20:26]
thestringpuller Did the feds think, "You know who is doing drugs these days, kids in the arcades with no parental supervision." [20:27]
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taub well it's 'just' amphetamine, but very similar to meth [20:27]
taub meth is just way more potent [20:27]
thestringpuller The whole bart simpson era of "troublemakers" which I really don't understand since most of them do coke to work their 80 hour a week jobs. [20:27]
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asciilifeform it is interesting that open literature contains substantially less useful info on what a particular variety of dope 'does' than it might seem, because of what used to be called 'comorbidities' [20:28]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform in fairness : the only practical way to reduce the 7-8 bn to the more sane lower tens of millions is this. [20:29]
mircea_popescu what else ? shoot them ? [20:29]
taub when you take your adderall like prescribed by the doctor, i think its a pretty safe drug tho [20:29]
taub not gonna eat holes into your brain [20:29]
asciilifeform i.e. the 'before and after' faces found in various usg propaganda depict people who not only took $dopeoftheday but were perpetually pickled, smoked everything and anything that burns, contracted every known vd, etc. [20:29]
cazalla thestringpuller, reminds me.. you seen that video of the black kid in the arcade who actually looks like he is on drugs? [20:29]
assbot Crazy kid goes nuts at Chuck E Cheese - YouTube ... ( ) [20:29]
mircea_popescu taub why cant you pgp / [20:29]
taub now if you got an addictive personality, its a different thing [20:29]
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taub i just never botherd [20:30]
mircea_popescu somehow you're reg'd. [20:31]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if lizardhitler picked the currently usg-'blessed' varieties of dope to zap folks prior to reproductive age, he needs to fire his chemist [20:31]
mircea_popescu the idea isn't to zap anyone. [20:32]
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asciilifeform related thread: [20:38]
assbot Logged on 25-08-2014 03:08:03; asciilifeform: busy as a bee << funny that they show an idiot sow scrubbing, and not, e.g, paul erdos crapping out theorems [20:38]
thestringpuller LOL cazalla [20:38]
mircea_popescu in fairness, more common. [20:38]
thestringpuller d00d the pseudo argument of "Bitcoin is a democracy" is starting to irritate me [20:38]
thestringpuller "Remember student council, and individuals running for student office. It was a popularity contest right? Well did those elected have any real power other than in name?" [20:40]
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mircea_popescu it's funny tho, reddit doesn't JUST think bitcoin is democracy. everything is democracy. according to redditard lore, i need their vote to get laid. [20:41]
mircea_popescu ppl actually believe this. [20:41]
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mircea_popescu i definiely need their vote to be happy, and if being rich were allowed (it isn't) then DEFINITELY the only way to get rich is to sell fifty billion fucktards stuff for a quarter each. [20:41]
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thestringpuller ^- d00d why is this argument used so much in "Business school" [20:42]
thestringpuller "OMG You shouldn't try to sell one thing for a billion bucks. YOu should sell a billion things for a dollar each! it's so much more valuable" [20:42]
mircea_popescu "and then you must donate the profits!" [20:43]
thestringpuller Given we know 1% own 99% of the wealth [20:44]
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thestringpuller why would you ever spend time trying to get money from poor people? [20:44]
thestringpuller They don't matter in that context. Ever. [20:44]
taub darkcoin making a little run [20:45]
taub how i hate altcoins [20:45]
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bitcoinquestions If the blockchain were to fork into 2 chains. 1 chain where the blocksize limit was the Gavin scam and 1 chain where it was kept at 1MB, can't everyone just profit by selling their coins on the scam chain and rebuying back the coins on the old chain? [20:47]
thestringpuller yes. this is explained by MP [20:49]
thestringpuller ;;google hard fork missile crisis [20:50]
gribble The Hard Fork Missile Crisis | ; After Survery Vessenes' Foundation "Pivots" | ; asciilifeform | [20:50]
thestringpuller i reference the attack in my article bitcoinquestions [20:50]
bitcoinquestions can't load any of those pages [20:50]
bitcoinquestions but I'm guessing your article just dives deeper into the same thing I just said right? [20:50]
asciilifeform bitcoinquestions: would it trouble you to take a moment to introduce yourself and state how and why you came to #b-a? [20:52]
cazalla sco.. ah forget it [20:52]
assbot New All Time High In Bitcoin Mining Difficulty | ... ( ) [20:52]
asciilifeform bitcoinquestions: so far we've heard nothing but questions; so now i ask a question of you. [20:53]
scoopbot New post on by cazalla: [20:53]
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cazalla oh, scoopbot is back [20:54]
bitcoinquestions asciilifeform: sure, I'm an MIT dropout (or well taking time off at least) doing my own startup and collecting bitcoins along the way instead of paying tuition. I heard about b-a in an article in the nakamotoinstitute [20:54]
asciilifeform bitcoinquestions: what were you studying prior to dropping out ? [20:54]
bitcoinquestions CS / Econ [20:54]
bitcoinquestions : ) [20:54]
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asciilifeform what of the startup? what's it do [20:55]
bitcoinquestions [20:55]
thestringpuller amazon is going to sue you [20:56]
thestringpuller if you get too big [20:56]
bitcoinquestions lol whatever [20:57]
thestringpuller dat one click shopping :P [20:57]
bitcoinquestions i will be very happy if we get to the point where amazon cares about suing us [20:57]
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mircea_popescu this is riotously funny. so how does b-a look to the mit cs/econ (?!) undegrad doing a pizzforpusha startup ? [20:58]
Naphex i'd probably use it, when i'm really toned. [20:59]
Naphex :o [20:59]
bitcoinquestions yeah that's the point [21:00]
Naphex too bad most delivery around where i live is crap ;o [21:00]
Naphex bitcoinquestions: so where do you get the money from? [21:00]
mircea_popescu Naphex timisoara deliveries are... ONE HOUR. i lulzed my ass off at them. [21:01]
mircea_popescu buenos aires deliveries generally take 10 minutes tho. [21:01]
Naphex mircea_popescu: same here. one hour and cold ;o [21:01]
mircea_popescu like you know, sane places. [21:01]
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mircea_popescu also not bad. [21:04]
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mircea_popescu you know, somebody should do this as a service. comic strip summarizer. watch them all, pick the i dunno, 1% worth a chuchle. [21:05]
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BingoBoingo no adderall is pretty much meth << Not even a proper amphetamine [21:17]
BingoBoingo no adderall is pretty much meth << SOrry thought you said Ritalin. Adderal is a racemic mixture of Levo and Dex amphetamines. The levo reduces the "abuse potential" [21:19]
BingoBoingo i'll let BingoBoingo explain how one has faster blood-brain penetration than other, lipid solubility, etc. << Methyl group makes it have a greater affinity for particular subsets of norepinephrine and dopamine receptors. For some reason the methyl group makes it more toxic to neurons in the long run [21:20]
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BingoBoingo As to why ritalin is not an amphetamine, simply compare its picture to the ones asciilifeform posted [21:24]
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BingoBoingo "For all intents and purposes, it is reasonable to assume that all of DARPA’s customers already use computers in their work. Furthermore, they have been using computers for years. They have developed their own procedures and policies that are not conveniently switched to a different operating environment at the drop of a hat. And they are all using Windows. They are all using Windows because it is the superior choice for Intel-h [21:32]
BingoBoingo ardware operating systems for naïve users. The reason, however, is irrelevant, because the fact remains that users are using Windows." [21:32]
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BingoBoingo "This dilemma is particularly strong for researchers in the areas of operating systems and networking, two areas in which Windows NT is considered to be especially weak. With DARPA project lifetimes typically in the two- or three-year range, PIs must swallow hard before agreeing to take two giant steps back in order to begin their research on a Windows NT technology base." [21:46]
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mircea_popescu if somebody still has a twitter account, be a kitten tweet my last @maigov to see some really embarassed romanian police. [21:58]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: For some reason the methyl group makes it more toxic to neurons in the long run << afaik no one has conclusively shown that it's the methyl rather than the sleeping-once-a-week, rotgut booze, and vd [22:00]
asciilifeform see earlier thread re: co-morbidity etc [22:00]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: [22:00]
assbot /maigov I stumbled across this [22:00]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well, much of the meth toxixity literature is from 1940's and 1950's when it was prefered USG go pill before being replaced by gentler amphetamines [22:01]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: seems like all three would still apply if population is u.s. soldiers ? [22:02]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo danke [22:02]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Perhaps, but it would be very un-USG of the era to not be running trials in parallel with minimal disclosure [22:03]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: l000l! [22:07]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: << it ? [22:07]
assbot Make use of default operator · ac0b3fe · bitwiseshiftleft/sjcl · GitHub ... ( ) [22:07]
scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: [22:07]
asciilifeform yes, re: ^ [22:08]
asciilifeform or was the pw 'we are orcs' [22:08]
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mircea_popescu well guess ? [22:08]
mircea_popescu to help you guess : [22:09]
asciilifeform the latter [22:09]
mircea_popescu [22:09]
assbot Law enforcement never fails to unintentionally entertain pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [22:09]
mircea_popescu right. [22:09]
asciilifeform ahahaha. [22:09]
mircea_popescu anyway, the general point here being : we investigate too. [22:09]
asciilifeform poor idiots. [22:11]
asciilifeform sparrow in microwave horn. [22:11]
mircea_popescu orly. [22:11]
asciilifeform from the story told thus far - what else. [22:12]
mircea_popescu dude, don't tell me stories. policeman thinks 120% is koshert ? [22:12]
mircea_popescu anyway, the so called "Departamentul de Informaţii şi Protecţie Internă" ie, informations & internal protection dept is the biggest loser here. [22:13]
mircea_popescu as they DIDNT know. [22:13]
asciilifeform or knew and had cut ? [22:13]
asciilifeform as is orcish sop ? [22:13]
mircea_popescu i know they didn't know. [22:13]
mircea_popescu i don't infer they didn't. [22:14]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu also knows that they give a damn ? [22:14]
mircea_popescu i know they don't, but that is quite besides the point innit ? << this is their latest. [22:14]
assbot DGIPI - Direcția Generală de Informații și Protecție Internă ... ( ) [22:14]
mircea_popescu rural policeman reported the attempted bribe by some guy that cut 1.7 cubic meters of wood illegally. [22:15]
mircea_popescu suma de 1000 lei = ~1 btc's worth. [22:15]
mircea_popescu ie, less effecvtual than the tardstalk forum police. [22:16]
asciilifeform so they'll say, in the event they say anything, that it was all a fiction ? [22:16]
asciilifeform as ru police would [22:16]
asciilifeform what am i missing here [22:16]
mircea_popescu not so simple. the chick at the end, kovesi ? she's fanatical. [22:17]
mircea_popescu and the LAST thing she's looking for tuesday mornings is seeing her name on my blog in that context. [22:17]
asciilifeform sic transit gloria spam-mundi then [22:18]
mircea_popescu only impossible outcome here is, for idiot policemen to stop being defrauded like redditards. [22:18]
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mircea_popescu anyway that default stuff's pretty good :D [22:26]
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BingoBoingo How phundation handles the different Openssl libraries nao [22:33]
assbot Improve robustness of DER recoding code · f19dded · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( ) [22:33]
mircea_popescu not bad [22:34]
assbot #219 - Author Feedback ... ( ) [22:34]
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BingoBoingo !up BlueMeanie4 [22:37]
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BlueMeanie4 greetings [22:37]
mircea_popescu also not bad [22:39]
assbot #224 - In the Merde For Love ... ( ) [22:39]
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BlueMeanie4 ive been making Bitcoin comics [22:42]
assbot today's /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash comic [22:42]
mircea_popescu any good ? [22:45]
BingoBoingo Another drug related mega lol << Suboxone is not merely buprenorphine, also impregnated with naloxone in indigestible shell to prevent crushing [22:45]
assbot Suboxone could help heroin addicts: ... ( ) [22:45]
mircea_popescu << this might be the most obscene thing i've seen this year. [22:45]
assbot #228 - Fast Freud ... ( ) [22:45]
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ben_vulpes y'all heard of kennas new scam? [22:46]
BingoBoingo No? [22:46]
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mircea_popescu !up bitcoinquestions [22:47]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes which one is this ? [22:47]
ben_vulpes [22:48]
assbot The Caravanserai. Roam free. ... ( ) [22:48]
mircea_popescu lol [22:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28178 @ 0.00039326 = 11.0813 BTC [-] {2} [22:48]
mircea_popescu !up nanotube [22:48]
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BlueMeanie4 what are the prices for that [22:49]
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BlueMeanie4 do you hate america Daniel? [22:50]
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danielpbarron what is america? [22:50]
nanotube hey, sorry for delay in reply, been busy, still busy. just to give you a quick preview, i'm thinking/working on implementing everything-signed, using a framework sort of like this: [22:50]
nanotube once that system is operational, integrating multiple federated databases will be trivial and will involve no trust. [22:50]
assbot #bitcoin-otc rating entry form ... ( ) [22:51]
nanotube fyi, y'all^ [22:51]
mircea_popescu that's cool. [22:51]
mircea_popescu federated wots best way to un-centralize this problem, i believe. [22:51]
BlueMeanie4 hyporcubez [22:52]
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nanotube yea not quite the full fancypants xml-wot from the ideal world, but this will go most of the way and be much more likely to actually happen. [22:54]
BingoBoingo Reddit [22:54]
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TheNewDeal Liked that bb, thanks [23:00]
BlueMeanie4 a federated Wot? [23:05]
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thestringpuller amazon is going to sue you~ [23:15]
thestringpuller .~ [23:15]
thestringpuller . [23:15]
BlueMeanie4 so who thinks bitcoin is going to crash further? [23:17]
danielpbarron it crashed? [23:17]
danielpbarron ;;ticker [23:18]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 221.08, Best ask: 221.27, Bid-ask spread: 0.19000, Last trade: 221.29, 24 hour volume: 18423.98029392, 24 hour low: 215.0, 24 hour high: 225.0, 24 hour vwap: 219.323476828 [23:18]
BlueMeanie4 lost more than 30% of its value [23:18]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85700 @ 0.00040567 = 34.7659 BTC [+] [23:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87450 @ 0.0004068 = 35.5747 BTC [+] {2} [23:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48200 @ 0.00039038 = 18.8163 BTC [-] [23:23]
TheNewDeal I think gox falsely propped it up to the previous ath, not to say anything about a possibility of return to said prices [23:28]
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BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: Well I think there was some Gox/China synergy. [23:30]
BlueMeanie4 its starting to become clear that the whole thing was a ponzi to begin with [23:35]
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cazalla BlueMeanie4, gox or bitcoin? [23:35]
BlueMeanie4 then somewhere between '13 and '14 they want batshit insane about all these other ideas [23:35]
mircea_popescu !up IHB [23:35]
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BlueMeanie4 bitcoin [23:35]
IHB can i get some feedback on something i am writing guys? [23:35]
mircea_popescu ok [23:35]
mircea_popescu !down BlueMeanie4 [23:36]
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mircea_popescu who keeps upping the tards. [23:36]
* BingoBoingo up'd that one [23:36]
danielpbarron !b 10 [23:36]
assbot Last 10 lines bashed and pending review. ( ) [23:36]
cazalla IHB, i can give you some feedback on your site design instead if you like? 2.0 type shit sucks [23:36]
IHB yeah [23:36]
BingoBoingo IHB, I'll give it a read through [23:36]
IHB i am changing it [23:36]
BingoBoingo cazalla: You ever try reading coinfire on Mobile? We're kicking their ass on pnoHe friendly layout nao [23:37]
cazalla IHB, i mean, i gotta use 3 finger scrolls to get to the meat of it.. i don't even give the missus that much [23:37]
IHB i haven't had time and lot of changes are being pushed through. was working on an api that will be launched with it. hopefully it will be useful [23:37]
IHB lol [23:37]
IHB ok, this is still a WIP, but i want to make sure i understand [23:38]
IHB @petertoddbtc @trilema @oocBlog  @BryceWeiner @JustusRanvier  @fredwilson @balajis  In regards to scalability and the perceived threat facing the bitcoin ecosystem I am still not convinced we have a problem here. Gavin has been talking about this for a little while now and it shouldn’t surprise anyone of us that he is publicly trying to get a proposal ready so the full nodes can vote on it. 1. If 80% of the full nodes v [23:38]
cazalla BingoBoingo, could be worse [23:38]
BingoBoingo [23:38]
assbot #069 - The Shit-Eating Triology II ... ( ) [23:38]
mircea_popescu ihb see also [23:39]
mircea_popescu !s pogo [23:39]
assbot 111 results for 'pogo' : [23:39]
BingoBoingo IHB: That tweet is from ??? about ? hard to squeeze meaningful context into that space [23:39]
cazalla mircea_popescu, i read you have like 100k of those pogos eh [23:39]
mircea_popescu but in any case, "votes" by bs nodes with < 90% uptime is pointless. [23:39]
IHB i know i know [23:39]
mircea_popescu might as well redditvote. [23:39]
mircea_popescu and in any case : VOTES DO NOT MATTER. [23:39]
IHB i am posting a draft write now [23:39]
mircea_popescu bitcoin is not a democracy., [23:40]
mircea_popescu bitcoin is a consensus system. [23:40]
BingoBoingo IHB: Just remember if you post a big draft for review before going up on your site, Google index's pastebins aggressively, Dpaste not so much. [23:40]
mircea_popescu the concept of voting re bitcoin is not unlike the concept of voting re sex. [23:40]
mircea_popescu sure, 9 out of 10 people enjoy themselves at any gangbang. [23:40]
mircea_popescu this doesn't mean me and eight other dudes get to vote on how to use gavin's wife. [23:41]
IHB [23:41]
assbot draft • IHB News™ ... ( ) [23:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21350 @ 0.00040688 = 8.6869 BTC [+] [23:43]
BingoBoingo has threatened to bring the house down and if he is successful, then so be it. << IHB you prolly want to link as the actor and particular trilema pieces justifying the MPEx position [23:43]
assbot Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [23:43]
mircea_popescu ihb it's beyon me why you think this is publishable. [23:43]
IHB its not [23:43]
mircea_popescu as a general rule : strike out all paragraphs that contain the pronoun "I" see what's left. [23:43]
mircea_popescu aha. [23:44]
cazalla IHB, this is your scratch pad eh? [23:44]
IHB not everyone is as talented as you when it comes to words [feces] [23:44]
mircea_popescu also, the paywall on trilema is a) older than bitcoin and b) older than the new york time's. [23:44]
BingoBoingo he recently put a btc paywall on his personal blog. << IHB been around multiple years. Since early 2013 when I finally started talking to people. [23:44]
mircea_popescu it's in fact the first paywall on any content site on the internet. [23:44]
IHB i never ran into it until today [23:44]
IHB fo real [23:44]
mircea_popescu even so. [23:45]
IHB will amend [23:46]
BingoBoingo I believe the 1mb limit was only put in out of fear to protect us from a potential attack. << Was explicitly put in place to make attacks by bloating the blockchain uneconomical [23:46]
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mircea_popescu << this is from back when nyt introduced their beta paywall. [23:46]
assbot The New York Times urmeaza exemplul Trilema pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [23:46]
mircea_popescu !up wpalczynski [23:46]
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IHB <+mircea_popescu> i never got the address to send the .01 BTC [23:48]
mircea_popescu did you use a proper email ? [23:48]
IHB i used [23:49]
IHB so if we don't have the cap it is possible for a miner to load blocks up with spam? and this in turn will weaken the network? [23:50]
mircea_popescu first time i got a report like this, so mebbe wait and see ? mebbe your mail server's slow ? [23:50]
IHB won't it cost a lot of money to do that? [23:50]
mircea_popescu why would it be a miner ? it is possible for anyone. [23:50]
mircea_popescu today it's not a particularly valuable dos attack on bitcoin because whatever, 1mb blocks. [23:51]
mircea_popescu if they end up being larger, it becomes more of an attack. if they're large enough, sure, you can deny usage of the network this way. [23:51]
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IHB fuck. [23:51]
IHB well, i am glad i had a reason to be confused [23:52]
BingoBoingo IHB: And the thing is it is a one time cost to the attacker to attack by committing bloat [23:52]
mircea_popescu very cheap way to attack the gavincoin, too. 20-1 = 19, so then each day costs an extra [23:52]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 24 * 600 * 19 / 1024 [23:52]
gribble 267.1875 [23:52]
mircea_popescu um neh [23:53]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 24 * 6 * 19 / 1024 [23:53]
gribble 2.671875 [23:53]
mircea_popescu 2.67 gb a day extra. whatever that costs, every node is stuck with it. [23:53]
mircea_popescu and there's obviously no defense. valid txn will be relayed. [23:54]
IHB i can't weigh in with my opinion. i will leave up to you guys. my stomach tells me the blocksize should not be raised and if people want to do other stuff they can peg their btc to a sidechain, if that ever becomes reality. [23:54]
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IHB i would be happy just holding my bitcoin. but only if there was a way to get all this other stuff done, you know the stuff we call bloat [23:55]
IHB like washing machines talking to cars [23:55]
IHB and government schemes in india being run on some sort of chain [23:56]
mircea_popescu uh. [23:56]
BingoBoingo i can't weigh in with my opinion. i will leave up to you guys. my stomach tells me the blocksize should not be raised and if people want to do other stuff they can peg their btc to a sidechain, if that ever becomes reality. << Not an unreasonable thing. Settlement happens on the blockchain small amounts dick around on distraction chain. [23:56]
IHB humans have already fucked with this planet we are in our own epoch Anthropence [23:57]
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cazalla IHB, why do you want your car to talk to your washing machine instead of your wife? [23:58]
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mircea_popescu the car should talk to the wife ? [23:58]
* mircea_popescu buys ballgag factory shares. cleary there's a future for these. [23:59]
cazalla mircea_popescu, no no, wife talk to washing machine [23:59]
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