Forum logs for 10 Apr 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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Mats_cd03 fucking lol [00:02]
Mats_cd03 > you are all only critic the people who are more clever than you! [00:02]
jurov --> dotcoin (5d10ab51@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.16.171.81) is here ... welcome :) [00:02]
dotcoin hello jurov [00:03]
dotcoin once more a story from you [00:03]
Mats_cd03 i hear dotcoin is a qt [00:03]
dotcoin tell me why you want file a complaint on AMF [00:03]
BingoBoingo Oh, I won't go hungry today. Not with Mr Word Salad here. [00:04]
Apocalyptic they're coming dotcoin, it's too late [00:04]
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Mats_cd03 what organization does he operate [00:04]
jurov https://bitcointa.lk/threads/new-shares-on-bitcoin-bourse-hedge-fund-btc-hfb.296970/ [00:05]
dotcoin your name makes me afraid Apolcalyptic [00:05]
ozbot New Shares on Bitcoin Bourse: Hedge Fund BTC "HFB" | Bitcointa.lk [00:05]
jurov dotcoin if you did not lock your threads on trolltalk, i'd write this in all of them [00:05]
Mats_cd03 oh yeah this guy [00:05]
Apocalyptic dotcoin, that's good [00:05]
Mats_cd03 dotcoin, be a clever man and cut your losses [00:05]
jurov i don't need nor want to explain more [00:05]
Mats_cd03 you are in shark waters not a kiddie pool [00:05]
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dotcoin i like funny guys like you [00:06]
Mats_cd03 youll enjoy a legal battle several years from now and end up indebted to creditors [00:06]
dotcoin no eggs and behind a keyboard [00:06]
Mats_cd03 or maybe you'll just skip go, not collect 200, and go straight to prison [00:06]
dotcoin trolls day compled because no work? [00:07]
Mats_cd03 have a nice day [00:07]
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dotcoin So waste time here, tell the AMF they can sue me after they have declared Bitcoin as Money or currency, N8 at all [00:08]
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chairman_meow !jd [00:08]
assbot Just-Dice stat: 0 BTC profit, 0.0k BTC invested, 0.00 mio bets, 0.00 mio BTC wagered [00:08]
pankkake dooglus stole it all? [00:09]
chairman_meow wtf [00:09]
pankkake !jd [00:09]
assbot Just-Dice stat: 0 BTC profit, 0.0k BTC invested, 0.00 mio bets, 0.00 mio BTC wagered [00:10]
pankkake definitively broken [00:10]
chairman_meow had a mini heart attack there. thought my coins were gone [00:10]
mike_c bang jd breaks when they change IP addresses [00:11]
chairman_meow are there any other gambling sites I can invest in? [00:11]
chairman_meow I dont wanna put all my coins in just-dive [00:11]
chairman_meow *dice [00:11]
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jurov chairman_meow: how much? [00:11]
chairman_meow jurov: it doesnt matter really [00:11]
pankkake I tried https://ice-dice.com/ for a while, but I don't really have any reason to trust it [00:11]
pankkake a calculator of expected gains would be nice, as each have different invested/volume ratios, I suppose [00:12]
wao-ender chairman_meow: let's spin at https://coinroll.it/ [00:13]
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chairman_meow really, the owners of jd can run away with the money and live a good life [00:13]
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daybyter any designers here interested to help with a smartphone app? [00:14]
wao-ender you mean dooglus? [00:14]
mike_c well, the invested/volume is constantly changing. you can see historical monthly jd returns here: http://www.btcalpha.com/income/ [00:14]
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pankkake wild idea: create a meta investment arbitraging between dice sites [00:15]
pankkake of course, you're adding new risks [00:15]
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chairman_meow arbitrage between dice sites? how? [00:16]
mike_c there's no arbitrage. but you mean just switching like mining pools do? [00:16]
pankkake yes [00:16]
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mike_c JD is 2 orders of magnitude bigger. not sure there's much switching to be done. [00:17]
thestringpuller geeze #bitcoin-otc is just full of n00bs these days [00:17]
pankkake I see [00:17]
thestringpuller what the actual fuck [00:17]
pankkake or scammers posing as noobs? [00:17]
thestringpuller no otc is to buy/sell btc right [00:18]
thestringpuller no one is selling or buying [00:18]
thestringpuller they are just in their wanking off [00:18]
thestringpuller eternal september? [00:18]
bounce http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/04/06/the-1-new-paid-app-in-the-play-store-costs-4-has-over-10000-downloads-a-4-7-star-rating-and-its-a-total-scam/ [00:22]
bounce app protects from malware by... er, giving you the ability to set and remove a check mark in a shield? [00:22]
daybyter my app could do more... [00:23]
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bounce but does your app have a 4.7 star rating? [00:24]
pankkake I remember some similar windows applications, claimed to speed up your computer etc. [00:24]
jurov the monitor cleaner was better [00:24]
pankkake placebo applications [00:24]
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mircea_popescu http://imgur.com/r4GoMbU << that shit's creepy as fuck [00:37]
chairman_meow please don't be gayporn [00:38]
jborkl well it does kinda look like a goth dude with bib boobs [00:39]
jborkl big [00:39]
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mircea_popescu but first, as per recent trilema recommendation, i shall comprehensively blog about it << i'll tweet you. [00:40]
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mircea_popescu what is shuffled? << remember how the logs were messed up on april 1st ? and someone said "omfg the log now reads like the forum" ? well, that. [00:41]
jurov yes? i completely missed that up [00:42]
kakobrekla http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=93 [00:42]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets bash [00:42]
bounce unintentional correct use of term of art. [00:43]
mircea_popescu eval(translate(intoalanguage( trolls day compled because no work?))) === ? [00:43]
jborkl mircea, I have about half of bcoinnews.com redone - see if you think it is too busy when you have a sec [00:45]
jborkl If you don't mind :) [00:45]
mircea_popescu jborkl http://www.webpagetest.org/result/140409_25_11JA/ [00:47]
mircea_popescu main problem would be... it takes like a minute to pop. [00:47]
jborkl ah ok, I know what to do about that then- thank you [00:48]
mircea_popescu also i dunno why you'd recommend anyone upgrade to 9.1. more like downgrade to 6.3 or something. [00:48]
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mircea_popescu http://www.bcoinnews.com/kncminer-neptune-update/ < i see three boxes around article. any reason ? [00:49]
jborkl well, anthing before .8 wont work anymore right? [00:49]
ozbot KNCminer Neptune update | Bitcoin news [00:49]
mircea_popescu but otherwise imo much improvement. [00:49]
mircea_popescu jborkl .4 works, what, you kidding ? [00:49]
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jborkl I thought they switched DB and said it was not compatible [00:49]
jborkl maybe they just said that [00:49]
jborkl never actually tried it to see, oh mining against bitcoind wouldnt work [00:50]
jborkl if you did not switch [00:50]
mircea_popescu it works just fine, you have to actually add a db config [00:50]
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jborkl well, I know if you upgraded to the .8? or newer you would then have to dl the old blockchain to use a prior version. I remember it created - anyway I did not know you could still use the old versions [00:53]
jborkl very good to know [00:53]
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mircea_popescu sure you can use them. the last hardfork was made by satoshi himself, if memory serves moving from .3 [00:54]
mircea_popescu nobody hence perceived he'd have the authority to do so (and rightly) [00:55]
thestringpuller so version .9 is completely broken? [00:56]
thestringpuller it seems we are better off writing our own bitcoin client at this point... [00:56]
thestringpuller ;;google site:trilema.com bitcoind [00:56]
gribble Bitcoind : not quite ready for prime time pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: ; Bitcoin was written by the retarded, part II pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: ; It's called Eulora pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: [00:56]
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mircea_popescu thestringpuller more implementations can't hurt. [00:59]
jborkl fixed that strangeness with the borders, for some reason WP decided it needed a bunch of
tags [01:00]
mircea_popescu but i wouldn't trust anything coming from the powerfully retarded rangers. they tried to get heartbleed into bitcoin, who knows what else they've baked into there we don't know about. [01:00]
chairman_meow !jd [01:00]
mircea_popescu might as well just deposit your btc with the local court if you swing that way. [01:00]
assbot Just-Dice stat: 0 BTC profit, 0.0k BTC invested, 0.00 mio bets, 0.00 mio BTC wagered [01:00]
jborkl well, they did give us the hardfork a year ago.. [01:00]
mircea_popescu it didn't actually fork tho. [01:01]
Apocalyptic mighty hearn did [01:01]
pankkake I like this in 0.9: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2121 [01:01]
asciilifeform if i recall, bitcoind has some relatively 'dirty' (changes in recent years) library deps [01:01]
asciilifeform berkeley db? [01:01]
jborkl well yes you are correct. it went the wrong direction lol [01:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.04849999 = 0.291 BTC [+] {3} [01:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03540005 = 0.1416 BTC [-] {2} [01:02]
mircea_popescu yeah bdb [01:02]
asciilifeform 'you may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.' [01:02]
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jborkl iirc it was a block that had over 1000 transaction in it [01:02]
jborkl and they didnt test that out first to see what happened [01:02]
jborkl Slush took a left and everyone else took a right [01:04]
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chairman_meow there was summation bug that allowed a transaction to output a truckload of coins [01:05]
chairman_meow when it was fixed, the chain was hard forked [01:05]
mircea_popescu chairman_meow this in like 2010 tho [01:06]
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jborkl mircea, I just went ahead and got a VPS [01:24]
jborkl I needed root anyway [01:24]
benkay asciilifeform: would protobufs be one of those dirty changes? [01:25]
asciilifeform quite a few. dig if you like. [01:25]
asciilifeform think like enemy. where would you put the surprise egg? [01:26]
Mats_cd03 in my butt [01:27]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03504 = 0.1752 BTC [-] {3} [01:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0485 = 0.2425 BTC [+] {3} [01:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-] {2} [01:28]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 33 @ 0.00758175 = 0.2502 BTC [+] {6} [01:36]
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jurov http://explo.yt/post/2014/04/10/BitcoinBeware davout mircea_popescu [01:48]
ozbot BitcoinBeware - serialized delusions [01:48]
pankkake shouldn't it be "I invested" instead of "I have invested"? [01:49]
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jurov changed into "I did invest" [01:50]
jurov anything else? [01:50]
pankkake missing space after December 2013: (always irks me :p) [01:51]
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nubbins` found some massive scallops in the freezer [01:52]
Shakespeare non-existant [01:52]
nubbins` just had an epic dinner with them [01:52]
Shakespeare non-existent* [01:52]
nubbins` ;;google .yt tld [01:53]
gribble .yt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Register .YT Domain: Buy TLD Extension/Suffix Mayotte, Registrar ...: ; yt Domains - Domain Who is by 101Domain.com: [01:53]
nubbins` well, TIL. [01:53]
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nubbins` so my friend was over earlier and he showed me this new book he'd bought [01:55]
nubbins` it's an exact reprinting of the first edition of the king james bible [01:55]
nubbins` complete with typos, typesetting errors, etc [01:55]
nubbins` lots of paragraph marks, entire blank pages, etc [01:55]
nubbins` apparently this caused no small amount of consternation when first published [01:56]
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jurov thx pankkake [01:59]
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mike_c great post jurov. "no one was interested to buy my shares" -> "no one was interested in buying my shares". [02:03]
jurov yup [02:04]
mircea_popescu btw if we ever actually start a religion, we can have the reincarnation cycle. [02:04]
mircea_popescu bad doobies have to hash by hand until they find a block [02:04]
mircea_popescu that's nirvana [02:04]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 800 @ 0.00014506 = 0.116 BTC [-] {5} [02:07]
cgcardona_ Church of Sudo. Cult of the Super User. Order of Root. [02:07]
cgcardona_ those are some names I've kicked around [02:07]
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cgcardona_ "In Crypto We Trust" "In the BlockChain We Trust" "We are One on the Web" [02:08]
cgcardona_ (regarding the 'if we ever actually start a religion' comment) [02:08]
mike_c I was looking at armory the other day and they mentioned they were never going to cut the cord with bitcoind for fear of creating a fork. [02:09]
Mats_cd03 hmm s.mpoe is back to 0.000965 [02:09]
mike_c it seems having a popular alternate client is actually a good opportunity to write a new client by calculating shit yourself and comparing against what bitcoind does. [02:09]
mike_c lots of in-the-wild use, meaning lots of test cases [02:10]
pankkake and yet it's now storing a whole separate indexed blockchain [02:10]
pankkake so bitcoind isn't used for much except read blocks and push txs [02:10]
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mike_c and it doesn't seem hard to process those yourself, and then see if your code would have done the same thing. [02:11]
mike_c if no 'virtual forks' for a year, then presto. new reference client. [02:12]
pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=343503.0 [02:12]
ozbot [ANN] Protocoin - a pure Python Bitcoin protocol implementation [02:12]
dignork pankkake, there is pretty usefull SPV electrum client, no bitcoind marriage [02:13]
pankkake but I suppose the electrum servers rely on bitcoind [02:13]
dignork pankkake, yep [02:13]
jurov they are dreaming about rebuilding electrum server on sx, but i don't cross my fingers [02:15]
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jurov https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/454029472757719040 thanks! [02:16]
ozbot Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: Jurov sez beware ... [02:16]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11468 @ 0.00096258 = 11.0389 BTC [-] {2} [02:22]
Duffer1 what do you guys use for IRC? [02:31]
Duffer1 mirc/xchat? [02:31]
Azelphur TIME TO MAKE EVERYONE HATE ME. Pidgin. [02:32]
Duffer1 "P [02:32]
Duffer1 :P [02:32]
dignork Duffer1, weechat [02:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-] [02:34]
thestringpuller Duffer1: pm [02:34]
pankkake irssi, planning to go weechat one day [02:35]
Duffer1 thanks i'll check them out [02:36]
Azelphur In other news, I met some guy today locally because he wants to set up a bitcoin meetup in my area, he's not very techy just interested in coin, he casually mentioned to me he bought a BFL miner and that he plugged the supply into UK mains and blew it and asked if I could help, went and took a look... [02:42]
Azelphur turns out he had a BFL SC Single, sitting in the box doing nothing...since November [02:42]
Azelphur I still can't believe that just happened [02:42]
Azelphur for those not in the know, if he had that running since November, he'd have made about $20k worth of BTC. [02:43]
Duffer1 did you tell him? [02:43]
Azelphur yup [02:44]
Duffer1 did he cry? [02:44]
Azelphur he was just like "Oh well" [02:44]
Duffer1 poor guy [02:44]
Azelphur indeed [02:45]
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Mats_cd03 Duffer1: irccloud is the tits [02:46]
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Duffer1 thanks Mats [02:47]
mod6 Duffer1: irssi++ [02:48]
mod6 used to use BitchX like 15 years ago or more. finally, after years of people telling me about irssi, switched. [02:49]
Duffer1 i'm tired of browser IRC, time to get a real program [02:51]
pankkake xchat is probably the easiest to start with [02:51]
mod6 yeah, its nice to get a client running on a *nix host, if for no other reason, you can run it in a screen session and then attach/detach [02:51]
Mats_cd03 i rather like browser irc, irccloud maintains a persistent connection [02:51]
Mats_cd03 so its basically screen/irssi without any hassle [02:52]
Duffer1 but i don't irc anywhere other than my desktop anyways though [02:52]
Mats_cd03 https://public.bn1.livefilestore.com/y2phoIfiYJoK42afiJxQTf_9u5b01-x2I939I7u32nHqsKxuoOKDwJxl70MjD6CjeetX5FMJxUMStObRmMVApTxFRu49kRktBJO90g9OjqGCSo/IRC%20Cloud%20Channel%20Screenshot%201.png?psid=1&rdrts=71711565 [02:52]
mod6 hassle!? [02:53]
mod6 no hassle with nix+screen+irssi ;) [02:53]
Mats_cd03 yes, i find using terminal on my phone tedious [02:53]
mod6 oh. well, lol. [02:53]
mod6 get a computer? [02:53]
pankkake if you're a heavy irc user, then irssi certainly isn't a hassle [02:53]
Mats_cd03 (irccloud has an android client) [02:54]
pankkake it's also my IM client (through minbif) [02:54]
Mats_cd03 i know im shilling hard here but seriously its good [02:54]
Duffer1 hehe [02:54]
mod6 ive used my screen+irssi via connectbot on my phone a bunch. works for reading stuff, but not so great for conversing. better to just read the log instead. [02:54]
benkay (erc) [02:54]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 3100 @ 0.0001152 = 0.3571 BTC [-] {4} [02:54]
dignork screen+weechat over mosh, absolutely amazing! [02:56]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [02:56]
dignork are there any other words that assbot is excited about? [02:57]
phf benkay: the only client there is [02:57]
mod6 omg yikes, an emacs client?! [02:58]
* mod6 runs [02:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.05553388 = 1.1107 BTC [-] {5} [03:00]
dignork kryydf, https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/IRC_channels , but most of them are kinda empty [03:00]
dignork wrong window :) [03:00]
mod6 one thing that i seem to remember that I didn't like (many many moons ago) about xchat is that if you derp-paste a bunch of stuff into the wrong window, it doens't ask you if you're sure you'd like to do spammy paste. [03:02]
mod6 irssi does ask, on the other hand. [03:02]
mod6 CTRL+K to paste spam [03:02]
dignork mod6, weechat blocks it too [03:03]
mod6 ahh coo [03:03]
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thestringpuller oh look who finally decides to show up [03:03]
* thestringpuller looks at mod6 [03:04]
thestringpuller lol [03:04]
mod6 ahh looks reasonable, dignork [03:04]
mod6 lol thestringpuller [03:04]
mod6 got my teef drilled. ugh. [03:04]
mod6 my entire face is numb. [03:04]
mod6 they loaded me up. [03:04]
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* Now talking on #bitcoin-assets [12:48]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com [12:48]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 21:58:12 2014 [12:48]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [12:51]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 411.55, Best ask: 411.8, Bid-ask spread: 0.25000, Last trade: 411.8, 24 hour volume: 22673.97718376, 24 hour low: 400.11, 24 hour high: 453.96, 24 hour vwap: 423.36399149 [12:51]
dexX7 ^ i guess china banned bitcoin again [12:53]
fluffypony go Australia: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/lifestyle/health/nhmrc-rule-homeopathic-remedies-useless-for-human-health/story-fni0diac-1226878166107 [13:05]
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Mats_cd03 geez, the price keeps correcting each time i pick up more btc ;( [13:32]
dexX7 before or after you bought? ;) [13:32]
Mats_cd03 after hence the tear [13:32]
dexX7 meh [13:32]
Mats_cd03 im being punished for not using -otc [13:33]
dexX7 how would -otc help in this case? [13:33]
truffles cheaper [13:34]
Mats_cd03 it wouldn't, it would just be mildly cheaper [13:34]
dexX7 ah [13:34]
Apocalyptic cheaper ? [13:35]
Apocalyptic otc usual rates are quite above the market price [13:35]
truffles u sure? [13:36]
Apocalyptic heh [13:36]
Apocalyptic i'm an op there and frequent trader, so yeah pretty muc [13:36]
Apocalyptic *much [13:36]
truffles so u know that coin guy pfff [13:36]
Apocalyptic I do [13:36]
truffles let me quote u what happened [13:36]
truffles we were talking about pool, and how he can get 1k per game easy etc [13:37]
truffles so obv he's some kinda pool shark/baller [13:37]
Mats_cd03 ;;tell benkay having adventures in C? me too we're bros [13:37]
gribble Error: I haven't seen benkay, I'll let you do the telling. [13:37]
Apocalyptic ;;later tell [13:38]
gribble (later tell ) -- Tells the next time is in seen. can contain wildcard characters, and the first matching nick will be given the note. [13:38]
Mats_cd03 senkq [13:38]
truffles tell? [13:38]
truffles oh he failed nm [13:38]
Mats_cd03 Apocalyptic: oh... i was under the impression it was [13:39]
truffles truffles> why is coingenuity on the phone with banks? [13:40]
truffles truffles: because banks are banning bitcoin [13:40]
truffles try sending money to an exchange right now ;) [13:40]
truffles if ure into btc why do u still hold onto bank accounts.. [13:40]
truffles truffles: i run one of the biggest bitcoin companies [13:40]
truffles well i hope ure on there all day [13:40]
truffles * ChanServ sets mode: +o coingenuity [13:40]
truffles * You were kicked by coingenuity (you're) [13:40]
truffles cry about it more plz [13:40]
truffles <@coingenuity> truffles: i'm trying to warn you to behave [13:40]
truffles u mean to stroke ur ego? [13:40]
truffles <@coingenuity> really, dude [13:40]
truffles oh look at u, u have "power" [13:40]
truffles * You were kicked by coingenuity (come back when you can behave) [13:40]
truffles chat spame [13:40]
truffles so then i in #bitcoin i was like "why are u such a bitch" i think im banned there too [13:40]
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Apocalyptic maybe if you would write properly it wouldn't have escalated that far [13:41]
truffles haha [13:41]
Apocalyptic cause as far as I can see that's what the first kick was for [13:41]
truffles if spelling gets u kicks heh [13:41]
Duffer1 truffles truffles: i run one of the biggest bitcoin companies >> wtf is coingenuity? [13:41]
truffles some baller [13:41]
truffles mod on otc [13:41]
Apocalyptic Duffer1, he's running coinabul [13:42]
truffles i think he's on some kinda power trip ya know [13:42]
Duffer1 isee [13:42]
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truffles "Coinabul has been ripping people off for a while." shit no wonder he can drop 1k a game [13:44]
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kakobrekla power trip? more like acid trip [13:47]
Apocalyptic kako, you have some history with coingenuity ? [13:47]
BingoBoingo Power Acid! [13:47]
kakobrekla i dont think i do [13:48]
truffles not surprised he's not a reputable guy [13:48]
truffles https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=149253.msg2876339#msg2876339 [13:49]
ozbot SCAM - Coinabul owe me 81btc [13:49]
Diablo-D3 so Im signing up with bitpay [13:50]
Diablo-D3 so I can accept bitcoin [13:50]
Diablo-D3 I dunno, after all the years Ive been in the Bitcoin community, I just can't turn my back on everyone [13:51]
truffles bitcoin for? [13:51]
truffles thought u cashed out and now rolling in money piles [13:52]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/mpexrfc1/ << this is mpex' first rfc [13:54]
ozbot MPEx.RFC.1 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [13:55]
mircea_popescu so please to read and comment [13:55]
mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 so you're averaging your cost down :D [13:56]
mircea_popescu if spelling gets u kicks heh << dude i thought you were the english expert. [13:56]
truffles not on the internet [13:56]
truffles pretty sure id best u in something written in english for sure [13:57]
mircea_popescu on what, vellum ? [13:57]
truffles non pc topic [13:57]
truffles bring all ur minions too [13:58]
truffles prob not if one is english prof [13:58]
mircea_popescu mon minions font minette [13:59]
pigeons retro link of the day http://ripper234.com/p/why-i-trust-patrick-harnett/ [14:03]
mircea_popescu lol [14:05]
mircea_popescu poor mr gross. [14:05]
mircea_popescu http://ripper234.com/p/mt-gox-is-probably-insolvent/ [14:05]
mircea_popescu has learned so little over so long. [14:05]
mircea_popescu http://ripper234.com/p/why-i-trust-patrick-harnett/comment-page-1/#comment-33568 < with #assets link too. [14:06]
dexX7 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=92279.0 "not a scam but failed business" [14:08]
ozbot Why I used to trust Patrick Harnett [14:08]
mircea_popescu oh i c. [14:08]
mircea_popescu the failed business of having lied through your teeth accidentally for great justice. [14:08]
dexX7 last edit nov 17 2012 though [14:09]
taub MisterE> taub: it's going to be like this until the 15th passes [14:09]
taub whats on the 15th? [14:09]
dexX7 china finally bans btc [14:09]
mircea_popescu mod6 dignork only noobs want windows ok cancel boxes! i want my client to damn well do what i tell it to. [14:09]
mircea_popescu keeps me on my toes. [14:09]
pigeons if you dont want pirate risk, i can tell you its not with pirate and pay you less [14:09]
mircea_popescu pigeons in a meta-sense, everyone that fucked up so far has been fucked by the same thing : failure to take btc seriously enough. be it the derps that still don't have any, harping about how it's just a fad and quoting tired beanie babies examples, [14:11]
mircea_popescu or on the other extreme patrick harnetts and other herps figuring "oh, it's jsut a small little thing, i'm much bigger than it so should be ok" [14:11]
mircea_popescu the whole spectrum seems to reduce to "didn't take it seriously enough" [14:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2584 @ 0.00014939 = 0.386 BTC [+] {2} [14:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22355 @ 0.00096159 = 21.4963 BTC [-] [14:16]
bounce no definite answer, but a few possibilities: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/10/pgp_email_leak_mystery_snowden_greenwald/ [14:17]
mircea_popescu jborkl: We know how many btc there will be next year << he has it, btc supply is extremely well know. the function that stabilises the dishing out of btc over time has been EXTREMELY efficient so far, in spite of massive hashpower changes. i would say btc supply side is the best known of any material in history. including gold, which used to hold that distinction (which was a key to its monetization) [14:17]
mircea_popescu bounce i myself am happy with the "clueless woman, learned to use gpg last week, does not quite grok what keys are or how they work" [14:22]
mircea_popescu i have no idea how come they still give diplomas to lawyers and journalists that aren't fluent with gpg since their sophomore year, but hey. [14:22]
bounce because formalities and actual achievements are quite disconnected [14:23]
mircea_popescu mike_c: for instance, mp has a bunch of coins. they are not supply because they are not for sale. << they are supply even if they are not for sale. review Wickard v. Filburn :D [14:23]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2014#612648 << still empty log lines ?! kakobrekla omg [14:25]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [14:25]
truffles maybe he's busy [14:26]
Apocalyptic he's editing the shit out of it [14:26]
truffles lol [14:26]
mircea_popescu lol [14:27]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: wrt not taking it seriously - not sure about other countries, but we have a new (2009) act here that says that a director will be liable for losses suffered by the company as a result of the director having taken or failed to act against certain unauthorised or unlawful actions and situations [14:27]
mircea_popescu cazalla the life of the p t barnum promoter of roadside attractions is a precarious one. [14:27]
kakobrekla http://shrani.si/f/2o/J/Rgy8g6Y/log.png [14:27]
mircea_popescu fluffypony pretty sure that was the case before 2009, both in common and civil law jurisdictions. [14:28]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: not in South Africa [14:28]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla o wow he just pasted teh empty ? nm then [14:28]
fluffypony was pretty much the wild west here [14:28]
mircea_popescu fluffypony ah ah, ok. [14:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45600 @ 0.00096168 = 43.8526 BTC [+] [14:29]
mircea_popescu actually eulorum.org doesn't even load. [14:30]
mircea_popescu mikaeldice: Though I kind of dislike the more recent releases of ubuntu << word. [14:31]
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wywialm hello all [14:32]
mircea_popescu [\] i am here. [14:32]
mircea_popescu hi wy [14:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00096159 = 4.5195 BTC [-] [14:33]
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mircea_popescu aww dub why so sour ? noobs taste good. [14:34]
Mats_cd03 mircea_popescu is in high spirits today [14:39]
Mats_cd03 did you get an afternoon bj [14:39]
mircea_popescu i just woke up. [14:41]
mircea_popescu keonne: #bitcoin-assets is like a second job << first job for most people here. [14:41]
truffles so ure a morning person eh [14:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.58 = 9.28 BTC [-] {3} [14:42]
mircea_popescu for some definitions of morning. [14:43]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.0056675 = 0.136 BTC [-] {2} [14:44]
mircea_popescu MisterE guy is definitely lying. had he made that reddit post BEFORE having tried to steal the data rather than as a coverup afterthought, all'd hgave been well. [14:44]
truffles some ppl r like zombies in the morning [14:45]
mircea_popescu yes, but those aren't the people that never woke up with a timer in their life. [14:46]
truffles orly [14:47]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 40 @ 0.61903286 = 24.7613 BTC [+] {11} [15:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.62 = 6.82 BTC [+] [15:11]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.60002145 = 1.8001 BTC [-] {2} [15:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.60000001 = 1.2 BTC [-] [15:26]
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thestringpuller mircea_popescu: you still around? [15:42]
mircea_popescu ya [15:43]
thestringpuller from trilema: MPEx webservers will have to keep a copy of the database. This is practically unavoidable (I think) because of two things : you.d like to be able to issue account statements for customers when they want, rather than when you get around to itviii and you.d like to pipe trade data into other services (like twitter, assbot on #bitcoin-assets etc). [15:44]
thestringpuller does this mean that each webserver holds trade data? [15:45]
mircea_popescu pretty much [15:46]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2500 @ 0.00009082 = 0.2271 BTC [+] {3} [15:46]
thestringpuller oh for STAT [15:48]
thestringpuller i see... [15:48]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05565641 = 0.2783 BTC [+] {4} [15:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05567526 = 0.167 BTC [+] {2} [15:51]
nubbins` truffles, speeling = improtant [15:53]
nubbins` ;;later tell mike_c cats? now I'M signing up for multiple accounts :D [15:54]
gribble The operation succeeded. [15:54]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: inexplainably is, inexplicably, not a word [15:54]
fluffypony that's unexplendifirous [15:56]
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nubbins` i think the word you're looking for is cromulent [15:58]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: +1 for lost-key safeguard process, that's clever [15:58]
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kakobrekla ok lel [16:11]
kakobrekla https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563303.0 [16:11]
ozbot Invest Bitcoins due to launch shortly! [16:11]
fluffypony shut up and take my money! [16:12]
Mats_cd03 does gpg timestamping continue to be an issue? [16:12]
Apocalyptic seriously... [16:13]
Apocalyptic "i don't have any idea about wtf i'm doing" [16:13]
kakobrekla me neither [16:13]
pankkake GPG puts timestamps in signatures? [16:13]
nubbins` "The investment is more for people who want to safeguard BTC at the current prices" [16:14]
nubbins` so it's just like cashing out, but instead of cashing out into your local currency, you cash out into indian government bonds [16:15]
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nubbins` sounds like a win-win-win [16:15]
Mats_cd03 pankkake: http://trilema.com/2014/mpexrfc1/ [16:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00096168 = 10.6746 BTC [+] [16:15]
Mats_cd03 > Because of inherited weakness from pgp’s own timestamping, there is currently no reliable way to resolve time disputes : the client can very well present his own version (as included in the signed material), MPEx will present its own version (as reflected by when it has seen the order) and no further progress can be made (for which reason MPEx’ [16:16]
Mats_cd03 determination is final). [16:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00096168 = 6.4433 BTC [+] [16:16]
nubbins` wait a minute, i know why i'm so bleary [16:17]
* nubbins` makes coffee [16:17]
Mats_cd03 only pakistani govt bonds are more safe [16:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.05566999 = 0.1113 BTC [-] [16:19]
pankkake and don't confuse them with pankkistani bonds [16:19]
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Mats_cd03 weak [16:19]
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nubbins` http://www.tradingeconomics.com/france/government-bond-yield [16:20]
ozbot France Government Bond 10Y | Actual Data | Forecasts | Calendar [16:20]
nubbins` yup [16:20]
nubbins` ;D [16:20]
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danielpbarron "please learn to read. this coin is about raising awareness for rap music and rap victims. it's not about promoting rap. why would anyone do this? you're a sick person." [16:26]
pankkake what [16:27]
truffles tupac? [16:27]
danielpbarron a stupid altcoin, but i think the OP is trolling [16:27]
danielpbarron "yes. a launch. we have a coin, a website, a twitter, facebook, g+ profile, a windows wallet, no real concept and of course no innovation. everything you need for a great coin. this coin has muy potentialones." [16:27]
pankkake to the hood! [16:28]
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danielpbarron made me laugh out loud when I read "rap victims" [16:28]
MisterE maybe it was typo [16:28]
fluffypony "muy potentialones" [16:29]
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truffles pantalones [16:30]
fluffypony danielpbarron: definitely trolling [16:30]
fluffypony I mean, it's called RAPe [16:30]
fluffypony "Rap(e)Coin: the rap coin that's not about rape because rape is bad and rap isn't" [16:30]
kakobrekla lol [16:30]
danielpbarron lolol [16:30]
kakobrekla is this one of the Rap-e-ghosts thingy [16:31]
nubbins` better get ultimate scammer rg on the line to find out [16:31]
fluffypony LOL kakobrekla [16:31]
nubbins` ;;rated rg [16:31]
gribble You rated user rg on Wed Feb 26 10:45:04 2014, with a rating of -2, and supplied these additional notes: tried to stiff me on payment for some design work. [16:31]
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danielpbarron what's the deal with trezor? I'm gonna assume it's not as good as cardano will be? [16:32]
danielpbarron or should I not even be comparing these things? [16:33]
kakobrekla its good to asume its not even close to being the same thing [16:33]
kakobrekla assume [16:33]
fluffypony if you assume you make an ASS out of U and ME [16:33]
fluffypony *du-du-dish* [16:33]
danielpbarron i guess what I mean is, ... ultimately this is about securing BTC right? is trezor any good at that? [16:34]
kakobrekla cardano does not hold bitcoin private keys [16:35]
danielpbarron from what I understand, a lot of the cardano research is getting the right hardware RNG; is trezor up to the same standard? [16:35]
kakobrekla as to rng on trezor [16:36]
kakobrekla they use deterministic wallets afaik [16:36]
danielpbarron does that mean the user programs it? [16:37]
kakobrekla you supply the 12 or whatever words to make the seed from which all the future bitcoin key pairs are generated [16:37]
danielpbarron if I can type in the 12 words somehow, that's pretty cool [16:38]
danielpbarron otherwise, I don't think I can trust that little thing to make a secure enough seed [16:39]
kakobrekla its cool until it isnt. [16:39]
danielpbarron yeah it makes me suspicious when everyone is hyping it up and it's still on pre-order; sounds a lot like BFL [16:39]
danielpbarron "give us BTC today and maybe we'll ship you a product next year" [16:40]
kakobrekla thats trezor [16:40]
danielpbarron right, that's what I mean [16:40]
kakobrekla bfl is "give us btc and fuck you." [16:40]
danielpbarron lol [16:40]
pLambert has BitVPS buyout been discussed here yet? A big FU to all the shareholders [16:41]
kakobrekla what buyout? [16:41]
pLambert they are buying back shares based on the past couple dividends [16:41]
Mats_cd03 3btc is just a ridiculous cost imo [16:42]
kakobrekla dunno havent been following that story [16:42]
pLambert https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141262.msg6151254#msg6151254 [16:42]
ozbot [BTC-TC] BitVPS [16:42]
Mats_cd03 im not stingy, but its unnecessary [16:42]
danielpbarron 2 BTC is ridic for an aluminium upgrade, Mats_cd03 [16:42]
danielpbarron Mats_cd03: I don't mind it costing a lot, but it's insulting to say that using aliminum costs 2 BTC more than using plastic [16:43]
kakobrekla >>I invested 700 dollars, and you think I can be content with your forced 20 dollars buy-back? [16:43]
kakobrekla I would have been less offended if you had just said "Fuck you, I'm keeping your money." [16:43]
kakobrekla -- [16:43]
kakobrekla lel [16:43]
fluffypony what have the dividends been like over the period? I take it not enough to cover the original investment? [16:44]
danielpbarron I am the issuer of the #5 ranked asset in counterparty :D [16:48]
fluffypony wd danielpbarron [16:49]
pLambert They keep saying "we are investing in more hardware, so dividends are low this month", then for the buyback they ignore all the hardware they just bought [16:49]
danielpbarron ty, fluffypony; I've got the market cap up to a record breaking 0.52 XCP [16:50]
pLambert arij: want to comment on this? [16:50]
danielpbarron pLambert: is this a mining company? [16:50]
pLambert BitVPS is a hosting company [16:50]
danielpbarron oh [16:50]
pankkake danielpbarron: is it something real? [16:51]
pLambert imagine if Warren Buffet wanted to buy shares of his company back based onthe dividends: $0.00 to you, shareholders [16:51]
danielpbarron pankkake: sorta, I backed my asset with a currency from a video game [16:51]
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pankkake bitvps was profit shares though [16:52]
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danielpbarron I'm doing it just for fun; trying out the protocol [16:53]
benkay thestringpuller: ping [16:54]
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benkay last bitvps statement was december? [17:17]
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danielpbarron what's the most influential group of bitcoiners? the devs, the miners, or whatever you call the individuals who own a lot of BTC [17:34]
benkay some in this channel would hold it to be this channel [17:35]
benkay miners are influential in that txns that adhere to 0.6 rules will probably always get relayed [17:35]
pankkake define influential [17:35]
benkay devs, unles you're talking about conformal, don't really do much other than implement dirty code into bitcoin-qt [17:36]
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pankkake transaction/network wise, both miners *and* public nodes. devs, nothing really, as it is with all open source software [17:36]
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danielpbarron i've been tempted into thinking it was the devs and then the miners that had all the power [17:37]
danielpbarron but now I'm leaning to that other group, the group i'm not sure what to call [17:37]
benkay "powerful"'s a good start. [17:38]
danielpbarron "holders" ? [17:38]
danielpbarron venture capitalists? or just capitalists? [17:38]
benkay *shrug* [17:38]
benkay power comes in many forms. [17:38]
benkay sometimes it looks like btc, sometimes it looks like hashes... [17:38]
danielpbarron pankkake is right about devs, it's open source stuff [17:39]
danielpbarron so then why not the miners? and keep in mind I mean the pool operators, not the guy in his basement [17:39]
pankkake pool operators are highly dependent on their users, as it is very easy to migrate [17:39]
danielpbarron yep [17:40]
benkay everyone forced to more or less play the same way [17:40]
pankkake but, at least for now, miners don't really care about pool transaction policies [17:40]
danielpbarron they sorta do, or at least, they do when they are also a dev [17:40]
danielpbarron i can think of 1 example [17:40]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7500 @ 0.00013209 = 0.9907 BTC [-] {14} [17:45]
benkay care to share, danielpbarron ? [17:45]
danielpbarron what? which dev is also a miner? [17:46]
danielpbarron is that not common knowledge? [17:46]
benkay oh, i thought you had an example of someone who cares about txn rules [17:47]
benkay and like maybe why and some other context [17:47]
benkay high hopes :( [17:47]
danielpbarron i do [17:47]
danielpbarron at the risk of starting the whole argument over again, the context is counterparty / mastercoin and the OP_RETURN controversy [17:48]
benkay oh sounds popcorny [17:48]
danielpbarron very [17:48]
benkay what is this controversy? [17:48]
danielpbarron counterparty stores its data in the Blockchain and the devs don't like this [17:49]
danielpbarron that's the tl;dr [17:49]
benkay what's the controversy over op_return? [17:49]
pankkake storage is a cost, and no one's rewarded for storing [17:49]
danielpbarron OP_RETURN is a place to store extra data in a transaction [17:49]
pankkake that's why transactions should be as small as possible [17:50]
danielpbarron ya, what pankkake said [17:50]
pankkake I wonder if I can easily make my public nodes stop relaying OP_RETURN :) [17:50]
danielpbarron full nodes should get most of the transaction fees, but they get nothing [17:50]
danielpbarron anyway my point is, there is controversy over transaction rules, so miners have so influence in that regard [17:51]
benkay whoa you can store data in the blockchain without paying? [17:51]
danielpbarron benkay: sorta [17:51]
benkay do elaborate i'd be much obliged [17:51]
pankkake miners get paid, not "storers" [17:51]
danielpbarron benkay: you pay, but the payment doesn't go to those actually doing the heavy lifting [17:51]
benkay oh [17:51]
benkay eh fuck 'em [17:51]
benkay blockchain's a nightmare anyways [17:51]
benkay miners get paid right? [17:52]
benkay that's all i care about. [17:52]
pankkake for me, bitcoin is terabytes of bandwith per month - I don't mind as it's almost free, but don't make the madness worse [17:52]
nubbins` http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/morgentaler-abortion-clinic-in-fredericton-to-close-1.2604535 [17:52]
ozbot Morgentaler abortion clinic in Fredericton to close - New Brunswick - CBC News [17:52]
danielpbarron yeah but they don't need the payment; they don't mine for profit anyway [17:52]
danielpbarron hey some good news! [17:52]
benkay miners don't mine for profit? [17:52]
benkay news to me. [17:52]
danielpbarron i believe miners mine for network control [17:52]
jurov pankkake meant nonminer nodes [17:52]
benkay the state sponsored ones definitely [17:53]
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jurov i don't mind a terabyte per month,too but 10TB or more... um [17:53]
danielpbarron some individuals profit i guess, if they get really cheap electricity and make their own boards [17:53]
benkay this is one of those things about bitcoin. staging on the blockchain is just going to get more and more painfully expensive. [17:53]
benkay staying* [17:53]
pankkake yeah I think I'm capped at 6TB [17:53]
benkay either you'll pay for the privilege or you won't. [17:54]
benkay end of story. [17:54]
danielpbarron benkay: what do you mean "staying on the blockchain?" [17:54]
Apocalyptic how so benkay ? [17:54]
benkay staying up to date [17:54]
Apocalyptic the maximum potential blockchain growth rate is well known [17:54]
danielpbarron storage space is trivial [17:54]
Apocalyptic thanks for the block size limit [17:54]
danielpbarron the issue isn't hard drive space [17:54]
Apocalyptic it's just some gigs/year [17:54]
benkay we're talking about the mem pool, though, right? [17:55]
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danielpbarron hard drive space is only an issue to those trying to take a principled stand on not storing content to which they personally object [17:55]
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benkay txns in flight is the topic, though, correct? [17:55]
Apocalyptic we're talking about the mem pool, though, right? // you can choose not to query peers for tx data [17:55]
Apocalyptic and only get blocks I think [17:56]
benkay so do that [17:56]
danielpbarron benkay: because OP_RETURN is too small to store counterparty data, they use multi-sig addresses instead, and that uses up memory [17:56]
benkay memory where for whom in what part of the process [17:56]
danielpbarron full nodes [17:56]
danielpbarron full nodes have to keep those addresses in memory as outputs that might get spent in future transactions [17:57]
benkay when do they need that? when validating a new block? [17:58]
danielpbarron when validating transactions [17:58]
danielpbarron full nodes are not miners and miners are not full nodes [17:58]
Apocalyptic he knows that [17:58]
danielpbarron there might be some overlap [17:58]
Apocalyptic but full nodes don't need mempool data for validating blocks [17:58]
benkay so take a counterparty transaction [17:58]
danielpbarron i might be explaining some technical details incorrectly; i'm not a dev [17:58]
benkay has it been confirmed yet? [17:58]
benkay let's tell a little story and try to work through this [17:59]
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benkay start with a counterparty txn. is this thing in flight or has it confirmed? [17:59]
dexX7 1. metacoins and the utxo set: http://i.imgur.com/c9mpd8h.png, 2. what is way more "avoidable" than multisigs is the creation of multiple unspent outputs "to have free outputs ready" (@ xcp) x_x [17:59]
danielpbarron i'm on the side of counterparty if I had to choose, i think the decentralized exchange is a great idea [18:01]
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thestringpuller danielpbarron: oh boo another glbse investor [18:02]
danielpbarron i never used that site [18:02]
benkay he's underwriting, thestringpuller [18:02]
thestringpuller exchanges will always be centralized things, there can be multiple exchanges [18:02]
benkay thestringpuller: ping ping ping ping ping [18:02]
danielpbarron i think there is room for both centralized and decentralized [18:02]
thestringpuller but each excahnge is centralized as you will always trust the issuer [18:02]
dexX7 benkay: think of "let's create new transaction types and coins, encode the transaction information and store it on the blockchain as pubkeys in multisig transaction outputs" [18:02]
thestringpuller you will always have to trust the issuer* [18:02]
danielpbarron i get that, thestringpuller [18:03]
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Apocalyptic oh "decentralized exchange" idea again ? [18:03]
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danielpbarron s/idea/reality/g [18:04]
thestringpuller i feel a decentralized exchange would be littered with scams [18:05]
danielpbarron so? [18:05]
danielpbarron just like everywhere else [18:05]
thestringpuller so you want an exchange for scams? [18:05]
danielpbarron you want to throw the baby out with the bathwater? [18:05]
fluffypony http://revicharger.com [18:05]
benkay hang on this topic is stupid and boring and you're all stupid and boring for engaging in it [18:05]
fluffypony that's actually quite clever [18:05]
danielpbarron Bitcoin has enabled scams, so what? [18:05]
thestringpuller s.dice was teh closest thing to a scam no mpex... [18:05]
thestringpuller every other play exchange has had multiple scams... [18:05]
danielpbarron s.dice was a scam? [18:06]
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benkay i want to know more about these memory requirements imposed by mastercoin [18:06]
thestringpuller like the ratio of scam to actual businesses was too damn high [18:06]
danielpbarron from what I read, S.DICE was managed very well [18:06]
danielpbarron benkay: why mastercoin? counterparty is live and working [18:06]
benkay counterparty whatever pedant [18:06]
benkay i lose track of all the colored coin implementations [18:07]
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danielpbarron well, I'm not 100% behind the DEX; I understand the arguments against it, and it's not the end of my world if the devs figure out a way to stop it [18:08]
kanzure to be even more pedantic, counterparty isn't a colored coin implementation [18:08]
kanzure (don't kill me) [18:08]
benkay so you can't possibly be telling me that a full node needs to hold the whole bc in memory to do its job [18:08]
benkay is that so? [18:08]
benkay <-- does not run nodes [18:08]
dexX7 the complaint was the amount of unspent outputs/utxo bloat created by those transactions - the argument fails because those unspent outputs are actually spendable and spent frequently [18:08]
kanzure the counterparty reference implementation requires a full bitcoin node with -txindex enabled [18:09]
kanzure so often this means reindexing the blockchain for nodes that haven't been using -txindex [18:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11111 @ 0.00096168 = 10.6852 BTC [+] [18:09]
kanzure uh i wonder if -txindex is the right parameter. hrm. it's the one about indexing. [18:09]
kanzure anywho then the counterparty server sends getrawtransaction messages over rpc to the bitcoin node for every transaction since the burn period began [18:10]
dexX7 you don't need to hold everything in memory, but there is a database with all unspent outputs. more outputs = delayed lookup [18:10]
fluffypony lol [18:10]
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fluffypony my wife is talking about going to the US at some stage [18:11]
fluffypony "we must go to all 50 states. Except Alaska. Alaska isn't going to be nice." [18:11]
danielpbarron well i've seen plenty of individuals storing data in other ways, like using the last 4 or 5 decimal places of a balance to encode data [18:11]
danielpbarron the US kinda sucks; if you aren't here already, don't come [18:12]
danielpbarron not worth the risk of possibly not being allowed to leave [18:12]
truffles get items stolen at tsa [18:12]
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danielpbarron get poisoned with crappy food, drugged water, groped by the "authorities," wealth confiscated because you probably sold drugs to get it [18:13]
danielpbarron or you're a terrorist [18:13]
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danielpbarron honest individuals don't need money; Big Brother feeds them [18:13]
kakobrekla ;;ticker [18:14]
fluffypony danielpbarron: she meant for holiday, we would never move there [18:14]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 398.55, Best ask: 399.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.45000, Last trade: 400.0, 24 hour volume: 27083.22463861, 24 hour low: 398.55, 24 hour high: 446.97, 24 hour vwap: 417.472358929 [18:14]
danielpbarron fluffypony: i know what you meant; don't do it [18:14]
danielpbarron for all of the above reasons [18:14]
truffles he'll have a great time let him go [18:14]
danielpbarron heh ok; just speaking from my own experience [18:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.58002 = 8.7003 BTC [-] {4} [18:14]
fluffypony lol [18:14]
fluffypony the food is crappy [18:14]
fluffypony when I said that on Reddit ages ago I got attacked by apologists [18:15]
Apocalyptic dat dive [18:15]
danielpbarron there are ways to get non-crappy food but you have to know what you're doing [18:15]
danielpbarron and you probably have to avoid some taxes to afford it [18:15]
fluffypony danielpbarron: yeah that's what I figured [18:16]
fluffypony oh look, welcome to the magical 400.00 [18:16]
danielpbarron :O [18:16]
danielpbarron bitcoinaverage says 389 [18:17]
danielpbarron damn [18:17]
taub its on [18:17]
fluffypony ouch [18:17]
fluffypony yeah just took a nose dive down [18:17]
danielpbarron i guess those peeps who were bugging me to buy the other day are happy now [18:17]
benkay no demand :) [18:17]
benkay bitcoin's a scam [18:17]
fluffypony benkay: I thought it was a ponzi scheme? [18:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.00096241 = 26.37 BTC [+] {2} [18:18]
kanzure i'm making a collection of overly-enthusiastic claims about bitcoin [18:19]
kanzure i'm open to suggestions for what content to include [18:19]
fluffypony kanzure: this is GOOD news! [18:20]
kanzure i want the stuff that will still found funny even if bitcoin does eat up the world [18:20]
kanzure like this one: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bitcoin/fanaticism/if-i-was-chairman-of-the-fed.yaml [18:20]
danielpbarron lol [18:20]
danielpbarron "If I was Chairman of the U.S. Federal Reserve, the most powerful central bank in the world, I would be buying bitcoin like mad." [18:21]
danielpbarron LIKE MAD, YO [18:21]
fluffypony almost buttcoins http://i.imgur.com/6GhqT4q.jpg [18:21]
nubbins` http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/patrick-brazeau-suspended-senator-arrested-in-gatineau-1.2605159 [18:21]
ozbot Patrick Brazeau, suspended senator, arrested in Gatineau - Ottawa - CBC News [18:21]
kanzure personally i think all bitcointalk.org posts should start with "Yo," [18:21]
danielpbarron haha i've probably been on that train, looks like MTA [18:21]
nubbins` from law-school dropout to canadian senator to strip club manager [18:22]
nubbins` GREAT SENATE PICK, HARPER [18:22]
kanzure what's wrong with running a strip club? [18:22]
nubbins` nothing [18:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00096159 = 17.0201 BTC [-] [18:23]
kanzure oh i see, i should have asked what's wrong with the senate =) [18:23]
nubbins` EVERYTHING [18:23]
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nubbins` seriously. the senate. highest judicial body in the country. guy gets fired for being a shitbag, and the best job he can scrounge together after that is putting together the weekly schedule at the fuckin Bare Fax [18:23]
nubbins` almost makes you think he shouldn't have been appointed to the senate in the first place [18:24]
danielpbarron "The banks would be saved because people would be borrowing as much money as possible in order to buy bitcoin." <-- ... [18:24]
thestringpuller bet closed [18:24]
thestringpuller ;;ticker [18:24]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 390.0, Best ask: 390.1, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 390.0, 24 hour volume: 30204.17198800, 24 hour low: 382.7, 24 hour high: 446.97, 24 hour vwap: 413.134967346 [18:24]
kanzure danielpbarron: this is the sort of hyper-fanatacism that i am seeking [18:24]
danielpbarron one-of-a-kind stupidity there [18:24]
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BingoBoingo ;;ticker [18:29]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 385.52, Best ask: 389.82, Bid-ask spread: 4.30000, Last trade: 385.51, 24 hour volume: 30635.18837803, 24 hour low: 382.7, 24 hour high: 446.97, 24 hour vwap: 412.975167632 [18:29]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 101 @ 0.05454506 = 5.5091 BTC [-] {3} [18:42]
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ThickAsThieves ;;market buy 10000 [19:00]
gribble Bitstamp | A market order to buy 10000 bitcoins right now would take 4496710.4412 USD and would take the last price up to 520.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 449.6710 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 232.9129 seconds [19:00]
ThickAsThieves ;;market buy 25000 [19:00]
gribble Bitstamp | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 24098.515 bitcoins, for a total of 17899251.1321 USD and take the price to 99999.9900. | Data vintage: 0.0374 seconds [19:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.14857344 BTC to 7`663 shares, 41088 satoshi per share [19:00]
ThickAsThieves lol [19:00]
ThickAsThieves ;;market buy 15000 [19:00]
gribble Bitstamp | A market order to buy 15000 bitcoins right now would take 7503392.7506 USD and would take the last price up to 655.6800 USD, resulting in an average price of 500.2262 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 18.2787 seconds [19:00]
ThickAsThieves ;;market buy 20000 [19:01]
gribble Bitstamp | A market order to buy 20000 bitcoins right now would take 11195529.8825 USD and would take the last price up to 849.9800 USD, resulting in an average price of 559.7765 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 25.9547 seconds [19:01]
ThickAsThieves ;;market buy 22500 [19:01]
gribble Bitstamp | A market order to buy 22500 bitcoins right now would take 13607783.7198 USD and would take the last price up to 1075.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 604.7904 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 45.7563 seconds [19:01]
ThickAsThieves ;;market buy 23500 [19:01]
gribble Bitstamp | A market order to buy 23500 bitcoins right now would take 14785226.8837 USD and would take the last price up to 1299.9800 USD, resulting in an average price of 629.1586 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 59.7878 seconds [19:01]
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ThickAsThieves so about 24k coins on the market [19:03]
benkay http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303873604579492364231819656?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702303873604579492364231819656.html [19:03]
ozbot Weak Chinese Trade Data Cloud Growth Hopes - WSJ.com [19:03]
dvsdude Stephen Colbert will succeed David Letterman as host of 'The Late Show' [19:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00096323 = 12.233 BTC [+] {2} [19:04]
ThickAsThieves that works [19:05]
ThickAsThieves letterman is boring as shit [19:05]
ThickAsThieves too bad theyll suck the sould out of colbert [19:05]
benkay colbert and stewart's shows are utterly inane [19:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.05372855 = 0.3761 BTC [-] {3} [19:06]
MisterE ;;ticker --market all [19:10]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 394.01, vol: 32951.86032124 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 390.1, vol: 22796.91906 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 392.749, vol: 30240.18749975 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 410.01, vol: 129.0017673 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 393.274998, vol: 7320.90170000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 404.94534, vol: 10.79592654 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 391.7544, vol: 226.91088511 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) [19:10]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1817 @ 0.00007206 = 0.1309 BTC [-] {3} [19:20]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0520112 = 0.156 BTC [-] [19:30]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0520112 = 0.104 BTC [-] [19:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0520112 = 0.104 BTC [-] [19:33]
BingoBoingo !t h neobeeq [19:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK:NEOBEEQ] 1D: 0.00006400 / 9.041E-5 / 0.00013699 (62600 shares, 5.65942599 BTC), 7D: 0.00000001 / 0.00014715 / 0.00045000 (549731 shares, 80.89403744 BTC), 30D: 0.00000001 / 0.0012483 / 0.00439999 (873212 shares, 1090.03105206 BTC) [19:39]
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benkay !t h rent [19:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00750000 / 0.0075 / 0.00750000 (100 shares, 0.75000000 BTC), 7D: 0.00750000 / 0.0075 / 0.00750000 (2267 shares, 17.00250000 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00700671 / 0.00750000 (27302 shares, 191.29708437 BTC) [19:44]
benkay how long does this one go for? [19:44]
pLambert until the end of the month, I think [19:45]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.052011 = 0.156 BTC [-] [19:50]
benkay ;;cal 17.00250000/2267 [19:51]
gribble Error: "cal" is not a valid command. [19:51]
benkay ;;calc 17.00250000/2267 [19:51]
gribble 0.0075 [19:51]
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keonne keonne: #bitcoin-assets is like a second job << first job for most people here. i see that, at least im honest, maybe one day i will be able to afford the trading platform fee and have my mind warped enough to warrant a spot in the full time club [20:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40321 @ 0.00095724 = 38.5969 BTC [-] {4} [20:13]
keonne er meant to tab mircea [20:14]
nubbins` what in the fuck is a job [20:15]
keonne honestly my job doesnt feel like a job, so i guess im lucky there [20:16]
keonne also h8 at nubbins` [20:16]
nubbins` don't h8, m8 [20:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1136 @ 0.00014711 = 0.1671 BTC [+] [20:16]
keonne since in my mind hes lounging in a pool flush with btc and pussy in the virgin islands [20:16]
keonne dont ruin the image, i want to be you [20:17]
truffles haha [20:17]
truffles cept he lives in frozen canada :D [20:17]
keonne oh dear [20:17]
keonne but aye on the pools of btc and pussy [20:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 864 @ 0.00014984 = 0.1295 BTC [+] {5} [20:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.00078399 = 0.196 BTC [+] {2} [20:18]
truffles pussy is so overrated anus is where its at [20:19]
dignork mircea_popescu, it's just a sensible default, which can be changed via weechat.look.paste_max_lines, same idea is implemented in some unixes by aliasing 'rm' to 'rm -i', just a default [20:20]
nubbins` it's too cold for backyard pools here [20:21]
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keonne does anyone use the blockchain android wallet [20:22]
nubbins` android is for poor people [20:22]
keonne lol [20:23]
truffles dam i missed that memo [20:23]
benkay phones are for wage slaves [20:23]
fluffypony nubbins`: so you're a Windows Phone user, then? [20:23]
nubbins` http://www.osnews.com/story/27661/_Android_is_for_poor_people_ [20:23]
ozbot 'Android is for poor people' [20:23]
keonne lol such helpful [20:23]
nubbins` http://gizmodo.com/5977625/android-is-popular-because-its-cheap-not-because-its-good [20:23]
ozbot Android Is Popular Because It's Cheap, Not Because It's Good [20:23]
keonne gizmodo is popular because it's cheap, not because it's good [20:24]
nubbins` http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/362650/android-handsets-a-poor-mans-iphone-research-claims [20:24]
ozbot Android handsets a poor man's iPhone, research claims | News | PC Pro [20:24]
nubbins` http://theinterrobang.com/2013/07/rich-people-like-iphones-poor-people-like-android/ [20:24]
ozbot Rich People Like iPhones, Poor People Like Android – The Interrobang [20:24]
fluffypony gizmodo is popular? I stopped reading there a long time ago [20:24]
truffles so Iphones are popular cuz theyre shiny? [20:24]
keonne how do you have all these on hand nubbins` [20:24]
benkay such science [20:24]
nubbins` i don't [20:24]
nubbins` i just googled "android is for poor people" [20:25]
keonne lol [20:25]
keonne this is why you get all the pussy and btc [20:25]
keonne and im a simple wage slave [20:25]
nubbins` not really [20:25]
nubbins` smartphones are for fucking losers in general [20:26]
keonne asciilifeform: what was the name of that soviet cartoon you mentioned earlier [20:26]
nubbins` REAL MEN CHECK THEIR TELEPHONES SEVERAL TIMES AN HOUR [20:26]
truffles nubbins` what do u use? [20:26]
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nubbins` IPHONE [20:26]
nubbins` i mean, iphone [20:26]
nubbins` heh [20:26]
keonne iPhone [20:26]
truffles oh ok [20:26]
truffles im surprised cuz i read they dont withstand cold temps [20:27]
fluffypony nubbins`: want a wooden case for it? we have a bunch as gifts, but most of our customers are Android users, and the guy that makes them doesn't make Android cases [20:27]
nubbins` shrug. i keep my phone in my pocket, not my mailbox [20:27]
nubbins` fluffypony, i don't use cases, but tyvm [20:27]
fluffypony np [20:28]
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keonne cases are for poor people according to nubbins` [20:28]
fluffypony lol [20:28]
nubbins` now you're putting words in my mouth [20:28]
nubbins` cases are for clumsy people [20:28]
keonne guilty [20:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [7C] 20 @ 0.00759849 = 0.152 BTC [+] {2} [20:29]
keonne but i also did make up a life story for you [20:29]
nubbins` if you drop your $500 phone so often that you need to put it in a case, maybe you shouldn't have one [20:29]
truffles im pretty rough i need a case [20:29]
keonne my phone was $200 [20:30]
jurov orly? mahogany smartphone box? [20:30]
nubbins` consider the statement suitably modified [20:30]
keonne still stands [20:30]
truffles 200 sounds so modest dam! [20:30]
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nubbins` keonne: but was it subsidized? [20:30]
keonne nexus 5 [20:30]
keonne no [20:30]
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keonne unlocked off contract [20:30]
keonne no, subsidized phones are for poor people [20:32]
keonne and for people who will probably be perpetually poor [20:32]
jurov http://www.magazinehive.com/2013/08/iphone-4-and-iphone-4s-cases/ grep for bamboo or mahogany [20:32]
ozbot 40+ Beautiful iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S Cases for Your Smartphone [20:32]
keonne because it's a really bad deal [20:32]
nubbins` no doubt you've got some math to back that up [20:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00096327 = 10.7405 BTC [+] [20:33]
fluffypony http://i.imgur.com/Gv2WlWv.jpg [20:33]
fluffypony those are the cases we have [20:33]
fluffypony wood is pretty [20:33]
nubbins` it is indeed [20:33]
keonne thats nice fluffypony [20:33]
nubbins` engraving kinda ruins it [20:33]
truffles ppl actually back things up with scientific data itc? pfff [20:33]
fluffypony nubbins`: hush [20:33]
fluffypony :-P [20:33]
nubbins` might as well put a coca-cola logo on there [20:33]
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nubbins` truffles: who said anything about scientific? napkin scribbles would do [20:34]
truffles might as well not [20:34]
truffles imo [20:34]
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nubbins` suppose you save $500 by getting a subsidy. at the end of your two-year contract, you own your phone [20:34]
truffles that baseball case looks cute [20:34]
keonne well lets see, $500 phone you get for $250 because you sign a 2 year contract paying ~60-80 a month.  [20:35]
nubbins` or you spend the extra $500, and two years later, you own your phone [20:35]
nubbins` what's the difference? [20:35]
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keonne the difference is poor people shouldnt eb buying 500 dollar phones [20:35]
truffles yep [20:35]
nubbins` well, that certainly answers a different question [20:36]
nubbins` how about the one i asked :D [20:36]
truffles im gonna aim for that 200 next phone! [20:36]
keonne sorry i keep going in and out of cell signal [20:36]
nubbins` shoulda bought an iphone i guess [20:36]
keonne or not be on a train going into tunnels [20:36]
nubbins` sure [20:36]
nubbins` either way. [20:36]
nubbins` explain to me how buying the phone outright is a better deal in the long run [20:36]
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keonne depends on the price of the phone [20:37]
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nubbins` let's say a new iphone [20:37]
jurov nubbins`: depends on if you're poor :DDDDD [20:37]
nubbins` $700 straight-up or $200 on a two-year contract [20:37]
keonne how much are those? [20:37]
keonne ah ok [20:37]
keonne thats insane..... first of all [20:37]
daybyter got my new smartphone today. [20:38]
keonne how much is the contract per month? [20:38]
daybyter pomp w88 Euro 105,- plus shipping. [20:38]
TomServo nubbins`: I think it depends on how much you value being able to switch carriers on a whim. [20:38]
nubbins` TomServo: $0 [20:38]
keonne i mean i havent had a contract in 3 years [20:38]
nubbins` keonne: well, that depends heavily on how good you are at bargaining [20:38]
keonne and i have unlimited 4g data in both the US and Europe [20:39]
TomServo nubbins`: I'm just saying, that is what makes it a "better deal" to some people. [20:39]
nubbins` which (sorry to ruin the surprise) was the crux of my argument [20:39]
keonne for £15 pay as you go a month [20:39]
nubbins` canada is relatively expensive for cell service [20:39]
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nubbins` i pay, i think, $50/mo [20:39]
keonne its all highly situational [20:40]
nubbins` yep [20:40]
keonne i remmeber not even being able to get a sim card in canada [20:40]
keonne without a canadian ID [20:40]
nubbins` all different now, LTE nationwide [20:40]
nubbins` ah, without an id [20:40]
nubbins` not sure about that [20:41]
keonne in UK i go to the corner shop [20:41]
keonne and i can buyt as many sim cards as I want for£1 each [20:41]
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nubbins` neat [20:41]
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nubbins` TomServo: fair enough, but worth an extra $500? [20:41]
daybyter any android coders here, who also do java? [20:42]
nubbins` ostensibly you're changing providers to get a better rate [20:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [7C] 20 @ 0.007696 = 0.1539 BTC [+] {2} [20:42]
nubbins` to make it worth $500, you'd need to save ~$21/mo by switching providers [20:42]
nubbins` it could be argued that you just picked the wrong provider to start with [20:42]
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keonne daybyter: not being snarky but dont all android devs have to know java? i thought that was part of the deal. [20:43]
fluffypony keonne: I was about to say the same thing [20:43]
daybyter I mean android and desktop-java. [20:43]
fluffypony say/ask [20:43]
fluffypony ah ok [20:43]
daybyter I have a lib that should run on desktop and android. [20:43]
daybyter no I wonder how to compile it best. [20:44]
daybyter add android.jar to the required libs? [20:44]
daybyter use conditional compiling? [20:44]
nubbins` ^ [20:44]
bounce write it for z-machine [20:44]
daybyter I used antenna back in the days of j2me projects. [20:45]
nubbins` i googled everything back in the days of writing code ;D [20:46]
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nubbins` why reinvent the wheel! [20:46]
daybyter google had no good solution available? [20:47]
daybyter maybe I'm just the first one who had this idea? :-) [20:47]
nubbins` if we were fencing, i'd say touche [20:47]
keonne bloody tunnels [20:49]
truffles is that code for sex? [20:49]
nubbins` HEH. [20:49]
keonne haha [20:49]
fluffypony yay! sex! [20:49]
nubbins` i want to enter your bloody tunnel [20:49]
nubbins` i should try this on my wife when she gets home [20:50]
truffles she likes red so go for it [20:50]
keonne let us know how that goes [20:50]
nubbins` my money is on a chuckle [20:50]
keonne gents i am off [20:52]
keonne as always its been a pleasure [20:52]
daybyter cul! [20:52]
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nubbins` ;;ticker [20:55]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 401.95, Best ask: 402.95, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 401.95, 24 hour volume: 36500.33354409, 24 hour low: 382.7, 24 hour high: 446.97, 24 hour vwap: 409.175624476 [20:55]
nubbins` oddly, no suicide hotline phone number on reddit [20:56]
keonne http://trilema.com/2014/filantropica/ god damn, this is a good article. I really want to see this movie even more now. [20:56]
ozbot Filantropica pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [20:56]
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fluffypony keonne: you said you were off! [20:59]
keonne i know [21:00]
keonne train is a bit delayed [21:00]
fluffypony ah ok [21:00]
daybyter keonne: you're an android coder? [21:00]
keonne not at all daybyter [21:00]
daybyter you're an android designer? [21:01]
keonne The only coding I do is a very hobbyist hack job at python [21:01]
keonne im a designer in general, focusing on UI, and I do a lot of android apps [21:01]
daybyter oh...ok... [21:01]
nubbins` it'll be 14 months on sunday since i gave up programming [21:01]
daybyter hmmh...that sounds interesting! [21:01]
daybyter I want to create an android app and look for help with the UI. [21:02]
keonne current i am redoing the blockchain android wallet, which is why i as asking earlier if anyone used it [21:02]
daybyter interested in a trading app? [21:02]
fluffypony nubbins`: how are you handling it? [21:02]
keonne and if they wanted to bitch at me their least favourite things [21:02]
keonne nubbins`: congrats :) [21:03]
nubbins` fluffypony, never been happier [21:03]
mike_c eulorum is dead. long live eulorum. [21:03]
nubbins` woo [21:03]
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mike_c new server, new install [21:03]
mike_c copied shit over [21:03]
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daybyter I write java trading code. [21:03]
mike_c nubbins, i copied over your password hash so you should be able to login [21:03]
daybyter and currently port some stuff to android. [21:03]
nubbins` i was briefly excited when i saw the "recent changes" page until i took a closer look :D [21:04]
nubbins` tyvm [21:04]
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nubbins` keonne: thanks :D [21:04]
daybyter looking for someone to make a pretty app. [21:04]
benkay` what's your budget? [21:05]
benkay` daybyter: what's your budget? [21:05]
daybyter I thought about a collab. [21:05]
daybyter maybe share the profit, if the app could be sold. [21:05]
keonne daybyter: sorry man, i really dont have the time [21:06]
benkay` what's the app? [21:06]
keonne plus you would hate working with me [21:06]
daybyter tradebot [21:06]
daybyter maybe manual trading, but I wanted to start as simple as possible. [21:06]
benkay` and you don't have the budget to pay for its production? [21:07]
daybyter I already got most of the stuff running on desktop. [21:07]
keonne i'm incredibly anal when it comes to design, and more engineers go crazy working with me [21:07]
keonne plus im expensive [21:07]
daybyter http://i.imgur.com/MqHfF.jpg [21:07]
daybyter http://i.imgur.com/xpqoqnk.png [21:08]
mircea_popescu dignork i know i know, jus' being an hardass spuriously. [21:08]
daybyter but I want to use a strategy that is a lot more simple. [21:08]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves dvsdude benkay` what the shit, letterman was supposed to be a comic neh ? colbert is now funny ? [21:09]
benkay` colbert's never been funny. [21:09]
daybyter benkay`: mail me, if you are interested. [21:10]
daybyter my mail is in almost all my sources: https://github.com/ReAzem/cryptocoin-tradelib [21:10]
thestringpuller ;;ticker [21:11]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 401.99, Best ask: 402.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 401.99, 24 hour volume: 36649.25150965, 24 hour low: 382.7, 24 hour high: 446.97, 24 hour vwap: 408.857388372 [21:11]
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keonne ok now im leaving for real [21:13]
daybyter cu! [21:14]
nubbins` heh [21:15]
nubbins` educating -otc on the perils of referring to cash-in-mail as CIM [21:15]
benkay` daybyter: not really interested. [21:15]
daybyter ok. [21:15]
daybyter thanks for your answer. [21:15]
truff1es awww [21:16]
nubbins` "willing to do CIM" etc [21:16]
nubbins` my sides [21:16]
mircea_popescu mike_c yeah it wasn't working b4 was it ? [21:16]
mike_c it was basically under assault from spam bots [21:17]
mike_c i didn't realize what a honeypot mediawiki is. [21:18]
nubbins` lots of pages about buying discount shoes [21:18]
mircea_popescu nubbins` what perils be those ? [21:18]
mike_c but the new cat photos captcha should prevent that. [21:18]
nubbins` mircea_popescu basically just drawing snickers from dirtbags like me [21:18]
nubbins` ;;ud cim [21:18]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cim | Upload a picture of Cim. 2. cim. Cum In Mouth. Meaning ejaculation of the man's sperm into anothers mouth. This may or may not be followed by the swallowing ... [21:18]
ozbot Urban Dictionary: cim [21:18]
mircea_popescu oh oh [21:18]
nubbins` oddly, nobody looking for just COF [21:19]
mircea_popescu cash on forehead ? [21:19]
nubbins` ;;ud cof [21:19]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=C.O.F. | cof. Cum On Face - Sexual act often used when describing services offered by an escort. The escort I saw last night provided cof in addition to bbbj and fs. [21:19]
ozbot Urban Dictionary: C.O.F. [21:19]
nubbins` close enough ;D [21:19]
benkay` coin on, fellow. [21:19]
nubbins` heh [21:19]
mircea_popescu http://image.stirileprotv.ro/media/images/680xX/Apr2013/61303332.jpg [21:22]
mircea_popescu is bbbj like a blowjob with three girls ? [21:22]
mircea_popescu http://media.realitatea.ro/multimedia/image/201310/w728/taranul_83111800.jpg << cash on forehead. fo reals. [21:23]
truff1es why wouldnt u think doods [21:23]
mircea_popescu http://image.stirileprotv.ro/media/images/680xX/Jan2013/61251270.jpg [21:24]
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benkay` http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/09/28/article-1315776-0B612CFF000005DC-268_468x519.jpg [21:27]
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mircea_popescu ;;ticker [21:28]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 398.52, Best ask: 401.75, Bid-ask spread: 3.23000, Last trade: 398.46, 24 hour volume: 36696.67930975, 24 hour low: 382.7, 24 hour high: 446.97, 24 hour vwap: 408.824895153 [21:28]
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benkay` 450 -> 398 [21:28]
mircea_popescu srsly [21:28]
benkay` "why is it crashing?" [21:28]
mircea_popescu "because the exchanges are less and less relevant" ? [21:28]
asciilifeform we might be witnessing a bifurcation a la 'bezzle dollar' [21:29]
asciilifeform (or this happened ages ago, and i'm just the last one to notice) [21:29]
mircea_popescu they've painted themselves in a corner, basically. if all you wanna do is buy 20 bucks wortha btc to "have some", no way in fuck do you go through all the caudine forkland of "send us a pic with you holding a seal". odds are you don't even have a phone. [21:29]
benkay` there is a bit of a discount for magical bitcoins [21:29]
mircea_popescu if you want 20k worth of btc, no fucking way you'll take that level of service. just find an escort that does COF CIM and BTC [21:30]
fluffypony CIM [21:30]
mircea_popescu so i guess the scammers get a whole new market now. [21:30]
fluffypony :-P [21:30]
asciilifeform at this point, even the most threadbare engineer is probably just buying coin from his coworkers [21:30]
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fluffypony I have a lot of people I know that prefer to buy from me instead of buying on the local exchange [21:30]
fluffypony even though I keep telling them to [21:30]
fluffypony because it's annoying [21:31]
mircea_popescu fuck the local exchange. [21:31]
mircea_popescu the future belongs to otc trades of btc. [21:31]
mircea_popescu the various fiat jurisdictions had ~5 years to get their shit together and suck our cock enough to acquire this revenue stream. [21:31]
mircea_popescu they have failed. [21:31]
asciilifeform wonder at what point exchanges will survive primarily on payola from whoever they are stoolies for, rather than commissions [21:31]
mircea_popescu no btc/fiat exchangesd for them. herp. [21:31]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform at the point of 2014. [21:31]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: we have a community here of < 500 people actively interested in Bitcoin, not just peripherally [21:31]
mircea_popescu fluffypony cool. [21:31]
fluffypony it's tiny [21:32]
mircea_popescu depends who they are. [21:32]
fluffypony true [21:32]
mircea_popescu 500 is too many for spartans. [21:32]
taub https://www.dropbox.com/s/z73tt8mgr6tndzy/FooledByRandomness.pdf cool book i'm reading right now [21:32]
fluffypony unfortunately the majority of them are kinda-nerdy-oh-look-here-I-can-get-rich [21:32]
dignork mircea_popescu, you said before that bitcoin-otc is irrelevant [21:33]
truff1es $$$$ [21:33]
fluffypony dollah dollah billz, ya'll [21:33]
bounce otc is fun and fluffy and lovable and full of scammers [21:33]
truff1es ppl can change their minds [21:33]
mircea_popescu dignork otc as a concept. "over the counter" [21:34]
mircea_popescu as opposed to "in an 'organised' ie regulated market" [21:35]
dignork mircea_popescu, sure, but so far bitcoin-otc based on WOT is the closest to OTC that I've seen so far [21:35]
mircea_popescu bitcoin-otc was last i checked run mostly by dorks, and so consequently populated mostly by dorks [21:35]
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fluffypony hah hah - this was posted re: the < $400 slump: http://i.imgur.com/2bVRHRX.jpg [21:36]
mircea_popescu dignork i dunno, imo all of irc and a lot more is otc in this sense. [21:36]
mircea_popescu fluffypony sure, except we've seen it three times already : the people who are butthurt during upswings because they were left out still don't buy during downswings because now it's more like "Haha! it's dead!" [21:37]
mircea_popescu mental issuez [21:37]
fluffypony that is VERY true [21:38]
fluffypony every time it's tanked I've bought on the downswing [21:38]
mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/798/bitcoin-to-drop-under-400-before-june/#c2762 [21:38]
ozbot BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $400 before June [21:38]
mircea_popescu this is a sad puppy [21:38]
fluffypony what is annoying is when the media talks about Bitcoin's "surprising resiliance despite being declared dead" [21:39]
fluffypony like wtf [21:39]
fluffypony just because someone says its dead doesn't automagically make it so [21:39]
benkay http://bitbet.us/bet/798/bitcoin-to-drop-under-400-before-june/#b62 [21:39]
ozbot BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $400 before June [21:39]
benkay they imagine their imagination matters, fluffypony . [21:39]
mjr_ what up everyone [21:39]
benkay oh look who it is [21:40]
mjr_ hahaha [21:40]
benkay mr constantly dropping connections [21:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 546 @ 0.00075904 = 0.4144 BTC [-] {5} [21:40]
mjr_ i know :( [21:40]
benkay still going to burning man with the shreminal? [21:40]
mjr_ not sure... [21:40]
benkay 2 things i'm bummed about missing this year [21:40]
mircea_popescu fluffypony well yeah, it's sort-of like putin's surprising resilience in spite of being declared crazy. [21:40]
mjr_ i was supposed to go hang out with him while i was in nyc [21:40]
benkay bm and mp [21:40]
mircea_popescu teh media has serious issues coming to some sort of representation of its own irrelevance. [21:40]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: or Robert Mugabe's surprising resilience despite him probably being dead [21:40]
mjr_ am I safe in assuming that everyone here thinks trying to change the bitcoin symbol is stupid and a waste of time? [21:41]
mircea_popescu mjr_ dude wtf was with all those parts. [21:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 454 @ 0.00075 = 0.3405 BTC [-] [21:41]
mjr_ when was that? I'm not sure if my laptop was even open... [21:41]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu ocd [21:41]
benkay i advocate we abandon the btc symbol all together and just use a capital b [21:41]
benkay 200B [21:41]
mjr_ what up kakobrekla [21:41]
kakobrekla heya [21:41]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2014#609470 [21:41]
mjr_ basically i think i slam dunked the argument against symbol change [21:42]
mircea_popescu mjr_ ^ [21:42]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [21:42]
mjr_ phones can currently type the bitcoin symbol...i don't even know how you would convince apple or motorola to add a keyboard [21:42]
mjr_ or what keyboard it should be under [21:42]
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mircea_popescu benkay i never used no dumbass symbol. [21:42]
kakobrekla you comming to ro or what? [21:42]
benkay bitcoin advocacy, mjr_ ? [21:42]
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mjr_ but the amount of changes that using the proposed symbol would cost dwarf any benefit [21:43]
benkay no symbol. [21:43]
fluffypony benkay: what about a backwards Euro symbol, then it looks kinda like a monkey butt [21:43]
mjr_ i have to try and get people to shut the fuck up and open their eyes and see how the world works [21:43]
benkay no man it's a waste of time [21:43]
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benkay fuck retards get paper [21:43]
mjr_ good point [21:43]
mircea_popescu how about we just use $ [21:43]
mircea_popescu not like the usd will survive anyway. [21:44]
bounce and let people think it's the new USD? [21:44]
mircea_popescu and afair they stole it off the mexicans on the same grounds. [21:44]
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bounce USB, the new USD [21:44]
benkay too early [21:44]
mjr_ well...there are 30 other countries using $ [21:44]
mjr_ many more using "dollar" [21:44]
mircea_popescu bounce no moar like BD, the new USD [21:44]
mircea_popescu mjr_ exactly. argentina prices everything in "dollars", there's 3 of them [21:45]
mircea_popescu at least. [21:45]
mjr_ which was my point...zeroblock told me on twitter "amateur hour is over"...i was like so canada, australia, mexico, etc are still in amateur hour... [21:45]
mjr_ in the real world, symbols are mapped onto many currencies [21:45]
mircea_popescu who is zeroblock and what makes him think he can talk about amateur hour lol [21:45]
mjr_ hahahaha [21:45]
mircea_popescu mp, lord of the fundamental questions. [21:46]
mjr_ just part of the group of people who think that they understand the standards committees and how the real world works [21:46]
mjr_ similar to the whole "XBT" thing [21:46]
mjr_ which is the same issue...you don't pick a name and then ISO standardizes [21:46]
mircea_popescu we should have a drama department [21:46]
mjr_ ISO will tell you what the official name is, and then you adopt it [21:46]
mircea_popescu like every highschool. [21:46]
mjr_ yep [21:46]
mircea_popescu then the fat chicks can go and pretend like they're acting there after school [21:47]
mjr_ its good to be chatting, and btw, it is very fun seeing people talk about you when you are not htere [21:47]
mjr_ its nice [21:47]
mjr_ to see yourself in the mirror [21:47]
mircea_popescu well they were talking about how much you piss them off [21:47]
mjr_ and I think I will start blogging more [21:47]
mjr_ hehehe [21:47]
mjr_ maybe i didn't read that far down [21:47]
mjr_ why not just ignore me? [21:47]
benkay ey lookit what princessnell's been up to: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2423461 [21:48]
mjr_ as in the IRC command, not attention wise [21:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72651 @ 0.00096485 = 70.0973 BTC [+] {5} [21:48]
mircea_popescu not sure. [21:48]
mircea_popescu benkay chick writing a paper about us ?! [21:48]
benkay oh indeed. [21:49]
benkay oh it's great [21:49]
mircea_popescu pastebin that shit [21:49]
mircea_popescu ssrn bs [21:49]
bounce "why not just ignore all the spam in your inbox?" "why not just ignore that DDoS coming in?" -- such sensible questions. [21:49]
mircea_popescu bounce he's new. [21:49]
benkay it has footnotes and stuff that won't survive so well [21:50]
bounce shh. lemme admire the sensibility a bit more. [21:50]
benkay http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/Delivery.cfm/SSRN_ID2423461_code510873.pdf?abstractid=2423461&mirid=1 [21:50]
mircea_popescu kk [21:50]
ozbot Bitcoin Financial Regulation: Securities, Derivatives, Prediction Markets, & Gambling by Jerry Brit [21:50]
fluffypony also known as BFR:SDPMG [21:51]
fluffypony bJB [21:51]
bounce SSRN, wasn't that a class of antidepressants? [21:51]
akstunt600 Maybe bitcoin really needs to get cracked down on for it to thrive the way we want [21:52]
akstunt600 the gen y kids the ones that need the most arent even using it yet really [21:52]
akstunt600 bounce, tHAT WAS MY FIRST THOUGHT [21:52]
akstunt600 oops caps [21:52]
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danielpbarron bitcoin doesn't get "cracked down on;" it does the cracking [21:53]
mircea_popescu bounce nah a social studies bs [21:53]
akstunt600 hhahaha [21:53]
mircea_popescu akstunt600 an' who might you be ? [21:53]
bounce "wordy stuff that makes you need antidepressants", right ho. [21:54]
akstunt600 Just a fellow bitcoin persons [21:54]
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benkay Accordingly, to the extent a contract delivers bitcoins at a date after the sale [21:57]
benkay (and not their cash equivalent), and is being used by a party to manage price [21:57]
benkay risk, it would likely be considered a forward and be excluded from the [21:57]
benkay CEA. [21:57]
benkay bold claim. [21:57]
fluffypony I don't see any tags? [21:57]
benkay i'd like to meet the person who's willing to test that 'likely' in the states, or finance the establishment of caselaw. [21:57]
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benkay options on pg 20 [21:59]
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mircea_popescu ;;google pg 20 [22:00]
gribble USS Monocacy (PG-20) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Amazon.com: Pignose PG-20 PG-20 a/c powered amplifier: Musical ...: ; Part# PG-20-160Q: [22:00]
benkay "bitcoinica valued expediency and experimentation over postponement and risk-aversion" [22:02]
benkay gotta read more of this later [22:03]
benkay vms need hacking [22:03]
mircea_popescu oh really ? and i thought it simply valued pretense and pretending over competence or obeying your betters. [22:03]
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mircea_popescu poor phantomcircuit still imagines his brain works, i wager. [22:03]
fluffypony the red wedding: http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/world/Nigerian+child+bride+forced+into+marriage+poisons+meal/9723504/story.html [22:04]
mircea_popescu pretty cool. [22:05]
mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/eyl9jeF.jpg [22:06]
fluffypony lol [22:07]
goonsamchi best to have diverse opinions, instead of a nation of sheep all taking the scientists' word for it, never considering the possibility that someone could be wrong [22:08]
chetty most people are wrong,most of the time [22:09]
mircea_popescu goonsamchi it's not a good idea to have "opinions" on matters you have not the authority to have opinions on. [22:09]
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mircea_popescu last thing we need is every fuckwit social sciences major having opinions about how silicon valley start-ups should be run and so forth [22:10]
goonsamchi http://www.ctvnews.ca/why-medical-science-often-gets-it-wrong-1.744502 [22:10]
ozbot Why medical studies often go wrong | CTV News [22:10]
goonsamchi http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/11/lies-damned-lies-and-medical-science/308269/?single_page=true [22:10]
ozbot Lies, Damned Lies, and Medical Science - David H. Freedman - The Atlantic [22:11]
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mircea_popescu sooo ? [22:11]
fluffypony goonsamchi: so you'd prefer they take their medical advice from a TV personality? [22:11]
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goonsamchi no, i think people should be allowed to control their own lives [22:12]
goonsamchi i believe in individual liberty and the right for people to be wrong [22:12]
goonsamchi http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21588069-scientific-research-has-changed-world-now-it-needs-change-itself-how-science-goes-wrong [22:12]
mircea_popescu goonsamchi there's a difference between controlling your own life and having opinions tho. [22:13]
goonsamchi yes, and people should have both [22:13]
mircea_popescu nobody is disputing the woman's right to be as fucking wrong as she possibly can get away with. [22:13]
truff1es prob diff in murrca than rest of world [22:13]
mircea_popescu but i am outright denying her the right to air dumbassery under the guise that "she's entitled to an opinion" [22:14]
mircea_popescu she is not. [22:14]
goonsamchi not allowing people to be incorrect just leads to a monoculture of sheep who all think the same. even if they're right, there's still a lack of diversity [22:14]
mircea_popescu now how do you know that ? [22:14]
truff1es thats what this room would become haha [22:14]
mircea_popescu seems to me allowing fuckwits to have "opinions" has turned the us of a into a monoculture of sheep who all think the same. [22:14]
mircea_popescu had these same fuckwits been beaten to shit for daring to open their mouths when their teachers were speaking, [22:15]
mircea_popescu we'd perhaps have had something like 58 goethes coming out of there, this year alone. [22:15]
truff1es 0.0 [22:15]
mircea_popescu at least if historical data is anything to go by. [22:15]
fluffypony goonsamchi: where do you draw the line? if a wildly popular personality says that everyone should kill themselves, and then a bunch of people do, should the person who expressed their "opinion" be entitled to it? [22:15]
truff1es beat some sense into them, thats it! [22:15]
mircea_popescu fluffypony definitely. [22:16]
mircea_popescu whoa this is going to be a good argument, i disagree with everyone. [22:16]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: population control? [22:16]
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fluffypony :-P [22:16]
fluffypony meh [22:16]
goonsamchi you should be allowed to do anything you want unless it directly infringes on the rights of others. [22:16]
mircea_popescu no, but the discussion is metaphisics, and being listened to qualifies him to speak./ [22:16]
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mircea_popescu goonsamchi so your eating infringes on the rights of others, stop eating. [22:16]
chetty well there is a difference between having an opinon, and expressing it [22:16]
goonsamchi it does not. [22:17]
mircea_popescu how convenient. [22:17]
mircea_popescu of course it does. fucking world is constructed so your existence is built out of the death of your siblings. [22:17]
mircea_popescu thats how things work. [22:17]
fluffypony goonsamchi: there are starving people in Africa that would disagree [22:17]
mircea_popescu this is nothing less than the point of existence : for you to drive lesser versions out of existence, or for them to drive oyu. [22:18]
goonsamchi lol. my not eating would not affect the people in africa [22:18]
mircea_popescu how convenient #2. [22:18]
benkay mircea_popescu: the teachers'd need to be worth attending to. [22:19]
mircea_popescu benkay sure. [22:19]
mircea_popescu benkay im sure all of goethe's teachers were all supercool and worthy dudes. [22:19]
mircea_popescu not according to him, but what the fuck does he know. [22:19]
chetty you would listen to a 'teacher' that wasn't worth it? [22:19]
mircea_popescu problem is how the fuck would you distinguish. [22:20]
mircea_popescu idiots on the forum also think they know better. the reason they think so is because they don't know what they don't know [22:20]
mircea_popescu and on the basis of what they know, aka 0, they're right. [22:20]
chetty the best ones are the scariest! [22:20]
fluffypony but you can't even quantify "stuff you don't know" [22:21]
truff1es goonsamchi u make good points, id like to read more ur views on this [22:21]
mircea_popescu exactly. [22:21]
chetty if it hurts, you are learning something [22:21]
truff1es just wait til the sillyness washes away [22:21]
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thestringpuller chetty if you start doing things right and realize you were once wrong you are also learning things :) [22:22]
chetty thestringpuller, and that hurts too [22:22]
thestringpuller most people seem to do things wrong, get told so, ignor as MP points out, then they run head first into concrete and complain about how they have brain damage [22:22]
truff1es told by whom? [22:23]
fluffypony although making mistakes *and learning from them* should be encouraged, no? [22:23]
thestringpuller you shouldn't make mistakes with other peoples money [22:23]
thestringpuller fucking use testnet [22:23]
fluffypony oh I agree with that [22:24]
fluffypony I was talking in generalisations [22:24]
thestringpuller no experimenting wiht production services, fucking get managers and shit. perhaps it's about time for another tally of the BTC losses due to scams and icompetence [22:24]
chetty fluffypony, that is I think, the definition of learning [22:24]
mircea_popescu fluffypony making mistakes should be encouraged in a narrow field : that where we don't know what the mistakes are. in the fields where we already know, they should not be. [22:25]
chetty bitcoins don't get lost (mostly) just transfered [22:25]
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mircea_popescu such as, putting your hand in the flame may in principle do all sorts of cool things, like charge your phone battery [22:25]
fluffypony lol [22:25]
mircea_popescu but it won't. so don't learn from fucking experience. [22:25]
fluffypony yeah I use the "stove is hot" analogy often [22:25]
fluffypony but you end up with a burnt hand afterwards [22:25]
truff1es if u were tough enough it wouldnt matter! [22:26]
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mircea_popescu just wait til the sillyness washes away << funny how on the spot this guy is. since forever the strategy of the mentally defective has been, just wait until the cool people get exhausted, and try to rebuild socialism then! [22:26]
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truff1es says the person who wants to beat people to submission [22:27]
mircea_popescu the epic resilience of stupidity. [22:27]
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fluffypony I think testnet is an under-utilised feature [22:34]
robwhiz22 Good evening. [22:34]
mircea_popescu http://rt.com/usa/nevada-ranch-armed-feds-520/ [22:35]
mircea_popescu the usg moving into cattle rustling [22:35]
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robwhiz22 Hi, mircea_popescu [22:35]
chetty shades of Waco?? [22:35]
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robwhiz22 You kind of disappeared the other day. I'm hoping you had a chance to read what I'd written you earlier. If so could you tell me a decision please? [22:37]
robwhiz22!*@* added to ignore list. [22:37]
fluffypony robwhiz22: you never emailed me:( [22:40]
* fluffypony feels left out [22:41]
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TomServo robwhiz22: You're the "I can fix the Cardano" guy right? [22:42]
fluffypony TomServo: yes [22:42]
asciilifeform 'fix' in the 'veterinary' sense of the word. [22:43]
fluffypony for the low, low price of 10 BTC [22:43]
fluffypony monthly [22:43]
fluffypony with interest [22:43]
TomServo Sorry, I should've also put fix in quotes. [22:43]
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mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/anonymous-derpage/ [22:49]
ozbot Anonymous derpage pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [22:49]
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* bounce spots a developing tvtropes addiction [22:52]
mircea_popescu bounce no cause i was addicted muchly afore. [22:52]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: gum chewing definition of “acultural” << term 'nekulturny' actually pops up in english texts on occasion. because it applies. [22:52]
mircea_popescu wow it does huh [22:52]
jurov really? [22:52]
mircea_popescu ty, adding to my bag. [22:52]
mircea_popescu i'd never have guessed. [22:53]
jurov ;;ud nekulturny [22:53]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nekulturny | ... chav, or naco. Ivan, you nekulturny bastard, don't pick your nose in public! by LN_Sac September 07, 2008. 57 9. Mugs & shirts Buy “nekulturny” mugs & shirts  ... [22:53]
ozbot Urban Dictionary: nekulturny [22:53]
Apocalyptic sounds like a slovak word [22:53]
asciilifeform probably exists in all slavic languages [22:54]
BingoBoingo ;;tslb [22:54]
gribble Time since last block: 24 minutes and 57 seconds [22:54]
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fluffypony holy shit [22:54]
jurov from my cursory research it looks it's much more insulting in russian [22:54]
fluffypony http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/10/americas-overtake-africa-most-murders [22:54]
ozbot Americas overtake Africa as region with most murders | World news | theguardian.com [22:54]
asciilifeform basic soviet meaning, a fellow who's had no truck with human cultural achievements - literature, physics, philosophy, whatever [22:54]
fluffypony we're not so bad here! [22:54]
fluffypony yay [22:54]
asciilifeform but also for folks with no manners [22:55]
Apocalyptic ^ that's the meaning that comes to mind first to me [22:55]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform "a particular flavour of inhumanity" [22:55]
asciilifeform read 'savage brute' [22:55]
mircea_popescu fluffypony is that raw total or per capita ? [22:55]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: looks like it's per capita [22:55]
fluffypony they do it on a "murders per 100k people" basis [22:56]
asciilifeform in some places, savage brute is someone who picks his nose - in others, one who never heard of differential equations. [22:56]
asciilifeform all depends on context. [22:56]
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mircea_popescu fluffypony wow. [22:58]
bounce the student club had a rule that you couldn't actually lie. ie answers must be truthful. but you could refuse to answer on grounds of the question being too direct. add in some rules that made buying the entire bar population beers both very easy to do and hard to figure out for the barman... well, it's a student club, whaddaya expect? [22:59]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: yeah, I was quite surprised, the ex-pats have beaten the "murder rate in South Africa is the highest in the world" speech into everyone's heads we're starting to believe it ourselves [22:59]
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mircea_popescu fluffypony but wait, you meant all of africa vs north, south and central america ? [23:01]
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bounce compared to the conspiring, deceit, backstabbing, betrayal, "white" lieing, bald faced lieing, and all that, happening among the most cultured of any population, traditionally the aristocrats and like court dwellers, that's outright friendly and truthful. [23:01]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: I'm talking specifically about South Africa - our murder rate is mentioned in the article, ~30 per 100k vs Honduras at ~90 per 100k [23:02]
mircea_popescu bounce aristocrats and courtiers don't map. [23:02]
fluffypony s/30/31 [23:02]
mircea_popescu it's like saying smart people and web developers. [23:02]
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mircea_popescu fluffypony what if you only count white people ? [23:02]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: significantly lower [23:02]
mircea_popescu well then okay. [23:03]
twizt lol [23:03]
mircea_popescu i had bought the same arguments, omg sa is terrible. [23:03]
fluffypony we're a small part of the population (relatively), and a lot of the murders are gang related [23:03]
fluffypony for eg. Cape Town now has a higher murder rate than Johannesburg [23:03]
fluffypony but something ridiculous like 80% of the murders occur in Lavender Hill [23:03]
fluffypony which is gang warfare territory in the Cape Flats [23:04]
fluffypony that even policeman don't go into [23:04]
fluffypony much less white people [23:04]
mircea_popescu aha [23:04]
bounce not true. any high concentration of power without proper management tends to bring lots of little kingdoms, warring each other. I'm told the pettiest squabbles can be found in academia. [23:04]
mircea_popescu bounce wait, what specifically isn't true ? [23:04]
fluffypony bounce: are we still talking about murder rates? [23:05]
bounce well, what did you mean with "don't map"? [23:05]
mircea_popescu lots of little kingdoms don't necessarily war each other, and moreover the wars of little kingdoms are not at all like the wars of national-socialist statal machines, [23:05]
mircea_popescu the sort that opposed the french and the germans, or the germans and the russians, or the french and the russians [23:05]
mircea_popescu bounce i meant aristocrats and courtiers are two mostly distinct things. [23:05]
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mircea_popescu in general one can't be both. whenever aristocrats were forced to be courtiers historically, they lost their aristocracy, and the state collapsed [23:06]
mircea_popescu (seen both in china and in france, quite identical) [23:06]
bounce both are at the top of the societal pile, if in slightly different senses. [23:06]
mircea_popescu this does not make much of a similarity. [23:06]
mircea_popescu the top of a cake and the top of an oil tank aren't similar on grounds of topness. [23:07]
bounce but the cake is a lie. [23:07]
bounce anyhow, I'll gladly concede this since my interest is in a different point. [23:07]
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thestringpuller ;;gettrust robwhiz22 [23:08]
asciilifeform robwhiz22 is 'elusive joe' [23:08]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user robwhiz22: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=robwhiz22 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=robwhiz22 | Rated since: never [23:08]
mircea_popescu well... which point ? [23:08]
asciilifeform 'The "Elusive Joe" (Russian: Неуловимый Джо) has become an ironic nickname in Russia for various difficult-to-find persons (not necessarily unimportant ones). It is suggested that the nickname and the joke originated from a 1923 satirical novel An Elusive Enemy. American Novel by Mikhail Kozyrev (ru:Козырев, Михаил Яковлевич) which contained a funny song about a Joe who was e [23:09]
asciilifeform lusive because no one needed him.' [23:09]
thestringpuller lolololololololol [23:09]
mircea_popescu course it's more like elusive djo in russian [23:09]
bounce dose roossians [23:09]
asciilifeform naturally [23:09]
asciilifeform i used to think that 'elusive joe' is an american expression [23:09]
mircea_popescu haha [23:10]
mircea_popescu i do't think american expressions are allowed to contain words such as elusive [23:10]
asciilifeform basic idea, desperado who isn't wanted for anything but thinks he's 'hot on the run' [23:10]
bounce robwhiz22: the best way for you to stop running around in circles is stop running around in circles. drop the text in a pastebin and share. you have permission to do this already. [23:11]
fluffypony robwhiz22: I think you're on /ignore, he was talking to bounce [23:11]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform romanian canonical equivalent is "tu crezi ca te cauta militia pe messenger". ie, you think the militsya is pursuing you through im. [23:11]
mircea_popescu (joke beingthat the militsya was an obsolete institution, and famously the people it employed could not write) [23:11]
mircea_popescu coined by a blogger, in this post : http://www.jeg.ro/dupa-monitoru-gri-stam-noi-anonimitatea/ [23:12]
bounce .oO( certainly argumentative ) [23:12]
bounce re reinventing the wheel, wasn't there a medico recently that got a paper published essentially reinventing calculus (and naming it after himself, naturally)? [23:15]
asciilifeform bounce: well there was (still is...) a wealthy american crackpot who claimed cellular automata as his invention, suing anyone who publicly disagreed [23:16]
asciilifeform ;;google wolfram batshit insanity [23:16]
gribble Stephen Wolfram, A New Kind of Science: ; Ten Years of Monster Raving Egomania and Utter Batshit Insanity: ; Collection of Reviews of Wolfram's A New Kind of Science, Etc...: [23:16]
asciilifeform but that was a while ago. [23:17]
asciilifeform to my great shame, i (well, my research group, at my request) bought his software once. [23:18]
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mircea_popescu the whole thing sounds like tom sawyer's aunt. [23:24]
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mircea_popescu also http://vserver1.cscs.lsa.umich.edu/~crshalizi/weblog/915.html doesn't exist [23:24]
bounce https://web.archive.org/web/20100322205031/http://www.cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/reviews/wolfram [23:24]
ozbot Stephen Wolfram, A New Kind of Science [23:24]
mircea_popescu also, google does not return the wayback machine for a "web history" query. [23:25]
mircea_popescu meanwhile, they return all the wikipedia pages possible. [23:25]
mircea_popescu must be cool to run a search engine that consists of promoting your friends. [23:25]
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bounce could (also) be self-selecting, of course. archive.org might wlel be. [23:27]
bounce s/wlel/well/ [23:27]
mircea_popescu perhaps. [23:27]
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bounce 9th paragraph, unkindly said, "applying the new jersey approach to the universe" [23:32]
mircea_popescu "My teacher, more patient than I would be with adolescent arrogance, gently informed me that it was a standard technique, in any book on linear algebra, called "reduction to Jordan normal form", after the man who discovered it in the 1800s. " [23:33]
mircea_popescu i want this entered into the record of proof for the importance of beating schoolchildren. [23:33]
mircea_popescu kids that have no experience with beatings have no conceivable incentive to abandon the notion they invented jordan normal form. [23:34]
jurov bah, even these who do [23:35]
fluffypony robwhiz22: why don't you just put the docs online for all to see/download? Or PasteBin it? You've been given permission to do so, after all. [23:35]
bounce nothing said the writer got beaten nor he didn't abandon the notion he wasn't the first when told [23:35]
bounce pretty cool he found it out himself, even if it turned out later he wasn't the first. [23:36]
mircea_popescu bounce sure, pretty cool. [23:36]
BCB http://vid.ly/7h6w6m <-- dev panel from PrincetonBTC [23:38]
ozbot vid.ly/7h6w6m [23:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.047122 = 0.2356 BTC [+] {4} [23:39]
fluffypony dun dun dun DUN [23:39]
mircea_popescu "Martin-Löf showed, again roughly speaking, that complex objects will pass many high-reliability tests for randomness, and conversely objects which pass randomness tests must have high algorithmic complexity." [23:39]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what nonsense is this ;/ [23:39]
asciilifeform not familiar with the 'complex objects' in question. [23:40]
jurov s/complex/shiny/ [23:40]
jurov :D [23:40]
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bounce go on, polish xkcd's "4" some more, why don't you? :) [23:40]
mircea_popescu me either, but as described it's scandalous. [23:41]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: he was probably speaking of greg chaitin's entropy. [23:42]
mircea_popescu the guy does declare he's trained as a phys, so i guess rank cluelessness about math may be excused [23:42]
mircea_popescu no he's talking of Kolmogorov [23:42]
BingoBoingo robwhiz22: If you thing your solicitation reveals flaws, public disclosure is the responsible thing to do [23:42]
fluffypony quote-unquie [23:44]
fluffypony *unquite [23:44]
* fluffypony needs more wine [23:44]
asciilifeform ok, for everyone who didn't catch it the first time i posted it, [23:45]
asciilifeform http://pastebin.com/mBLdFHzt [23:45]
ozbot derp_more.txt - Pastebin.com [23:45]
asciilifeform no one can say i wasn't patient. [23:46]
BingoBoingo robwhiz22: If you dunno they application how can you be competent to critique it? [23:46]
asciilifeform i'd also like to add, for the edification of future spammers, that blatant sockmuppetry (switching handles every week) does not add credibility. [23:47]
bounce 966 lines. looks like a bit of a waste. [23:50]
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Apocalyptic no one can say i wasn't patient. << and that's an understatement [23:53]
jurov tl;dr: cardano can suddenly change into usb keyboard hence its insecure [23:53]
jurov i did not read further [23:53]
asciilifeform see mp's essay about 'your wife changes into dog' [23:53]
mircea_popescu wait i wrote that ?! [23:53]
asciilifeform somewhere. [23:53]
jurov or a pig... there's actually a book about that [23:53]
bounce no, he is a dog. this is the internets. [23:53]
mike_c 3 hours! that take some serious zen power. [23:53]
mircea_popescu mike_c next time you want to ask me why the cardano isn't done by xmas... [23:54]
asciilifeform how many pictures of the damn thing have to be posted [23:54]
mike_c hehe [23:54]
jurov robwhiz22: it's often discussed here, if you'd actually read the logs [23:54]
asciilifeform as if an rng were a nuke, or any other rarity [23:55]
jurov but you seem to be write-only dude [23:55]
bounce maybe it should be. backdoored and all. [23:55]
mircea_popescu ;;google wilbur glenn voliva [23:55]
gribble Wilbur Glenn Voliva - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Wilbur Glenn Voliva visits New Orleans, Louisiana in 1912 ...: ; $5,000 for Proving the Earth is a Globe | Modern Mechanix: [23:55]
bounce bogon-triggered tacnuke [23:55]
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mircea_popescu he's like Julia A. Moore but forscience. [23:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04799932 = 0.144 BTC [+] {3} [23:56]
fluffypony robwhiz22: the rng project is basically based on buttcoin:sharpie density [23:57]
thestringpuller !last m s.mpoe [23:57]
assbot Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00096485 BTC [+] [23:57]
asciilifeform i can't wait for this fellow's Amazing RNG Improvement ideas. [23:57]
jurov robwhiz22: google the logs for hookers+microphone [23:57]
fluffypony asciilifeform: the seed is a digital breathalyser...works best when you're drunk;) [23:58]
asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2013/unsorted-collection-of-various-cardano-related-updates-spurious-pics [23:58]
asciilifeform etc [23:58]
ozbot Unsorted collection of various Cardano related updates + spurious pics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mirce [23:58]
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