Forum logs for 09 Oct 2013

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

CheckDavid	kakobrekla, lol	[00:03]
ThickAsThieves	I haven't actually migrated anyone from BTCT to BF yet	[00:04]
ThickAsThieves	only processed their data	[00:04]
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jurov	Jere_Jones: if mpex happens, you are welcome on coinbr	[00:07]
jcpham	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAtVJzb65hQ	[00:07]
ozbot	Hitler finds out MtGox still haven't implemented Litecoin - YouTube	[00:07]
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Lennix	TAT, I remember correctly that you are no US citizen?	[00:15]
pankkake	he is from the internets	[00:16]
Lennix	thank god	[00:16]
Jere_Jones	I'm not familiar with coinbr	[00:16]
Jere_Jones	I may just start my own exchange. With blackjack and hookers.	[00:17]
jurov	i can help you familiarize :)	[00:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 99 @ 0.00299998 = 0.297 BTC [+]	[00:19]
Jere_Jones	I was just looking over it. I find the monthly fee... prohibitive. I'm sure that is perfectly acceptable for an active trader.	[00:20]
Jere_Jones	I'm not an active trader. I tend to buy and hold and (hopefully) collect dividends.	[00:20]
pankkake	http://shadowlife.cc/2013/10/tracking-the-silk-road-lessons-for-darknet-services/	[00:21]
ozbot	Tracking the Silk Road – Lessons for darknet services « Shadow Life	[00:21]
jurov	so, you expect dividends not much bigger than 0.09 BTC?	[00:22]
Jere_Jones	A rich man, I am not.	[00:23]
ThickAsThieves	I am a US citizen	[00:23]
Jere_Jones	I'm just a programmer that loves bitcoin.	[00:23]
ThickAsThieves	if i were not married i'd have left long ago	[00:23]
Jere_Jones	My wife and I were just discussing moving back to Spain.	[00:24]
Jere_Jones	That or Peru.	[00:24]
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Jere_Jones	Hmmm... 0.09 BTC is what only 3 shares of AM would spit out.	[00:34]
Jere_Jones	The fee doesn't sound that bad in that context.	[00:35]
ThickAsThieves	I hold peanuts in my CoinBr account but I keep it open,	[00:35]
ThickAsThieves	i like to support jurov,	[00:36]
ThickAsThieves	and i know as soon as i close it, i'll need it again	[00:36]
jurov	closing coinbr accounts is not supported anyway :D	[00:37]
ThickAsThieves	they just accumulate debt? hehehe	[00:37]
jurov	no, if you sell/withdraw everything then no monthly fee is asked	[00:37]
ThickAsThieves	ah i see	[00:37]
ThickAsThieves	neat	[00:38]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.0029 = 0.1015 BTC [-]	[00:56]
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dub	jurov: that reminds me, whats teh grace period for funding a negative account?	[01:08]
jurov	7 years	[01:08]
dub	harsh but fair	[01:09]
dub	thanks	[01:09]
jurov	but seriously, it was not even decided yet	[01:09]
jurov	why 7y would be harsh?	[01:09]
dub	cool cool, just checking I wont get punted or have stuff liquidated to cover	[01:09]
dub	its not harsh	[01:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 51 @ 0.00600019 = 0.306 BTC [-] {2}	[01:11]
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jurov	we did not yet even consider asking interest on them :)	[01:11]
dub	that would probably be acceptable	[01:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 6592 @ 0.0003 = 1.9776 BTC [-]	[01:13]
dub	9000% compounding bisecondly	[01:13]
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jurov	lol... having 0.1 withdrawal fee is enough. but that one will likely change as bitcoin goes up	[01:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 480 @ 0.00084376 = 0.405 BTC [-]	[01:20]
thestringpuller	http://www.futureblock.com/ - anyone seen this yet?	[01:20]
ozbot	Future Block \| Bet on the Bitcoin Hash Rate	[01:20]
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dub	20% fee wat	[01:27]
dexX7	*15.76 % but woah	[01:27]
dexX7	but it looks very nice	[01:28]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00084478 = 2.9567 BTC [+]	[01:32]
mike_c	fee high because bet is almost over	[01:34]
mike_c	starts at 0	[01:34]
dexX7	ah i see	[01:34]
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dub	yeah looks nice until you find out alberto is running it	[01:38]
kakobrekla	lol	[01:39]
thestringpuller	lol who is alberto?	[01:42]
thestringpuller	is that the bitcoindaytrade guy?	[01:42]
dub	yep, and labcoin apparently	[01:42]
kakobrekla	bdt/rebate/labcoin scammer	[01:42]
dub	dont forget bitscalper	[01:42]
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pankkake	rebate?	[01:42]
pankkake	also zenpad	[01:43]
jurov	http://www.reddit.com/user/locksley announced it, doesn't look like alberto	[01:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00084792 = 2.1622 BTC [+]	[01:44]
kakobrekla	and kronos.io	[01:44]
jurov	and weed price analysis :) http://www.thepricegeek.com/blog/2013/08/22/market-price-of-drugs-on-silk-road/	[01:45]
dexX7	lol that's cool	[01:45]
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thestringpuller	smoke dem nugz	[01:51]
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phish	.d	[02:01]
ozbot	189281249.28103 \| Next Diff in 1641 blocks \| Estimated Change: 10.3433% in 10d 5h 9m 2s	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	what's new?	[02:09]
mircea_popescu	jborkl interesting.	[02:10]
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mod6	so i kinda thought Cody Wilson was awesome until he teamed up with Taaki	[02:12]
mod6	http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/25/4769916/3d-printed-gun-maker-cody-wilson-to-launch-bitcoin-dark-wallet	[02:13]
ozbot	3D-printed gun maker to launch Bitcoin wallet next \| The Verge	[02:13]
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mircea_popescu	the irony here being that I planned to take mp aside to discuss the possibility of such things BEFORE they happened... << don't worry, it's how it works. I had made plans back in january and announced ppl about my conference last year, so as to make it BEFORE BTCprice went up. scheduled it for april, asshole btc went up in march.	[02:14]
mircea_popescu	I'm not sure I'd care to pay the 30BTC fee to have an account on MPEx. << yuou can just use a borker.	[02:14]
mircea_popescu	mod6 you know... peopel announcing other people teamed up with them is scarcely usavble to impugn those other people.	[02:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 500 @ 0.00028 = 0.14 BTC [-] {4}	[02:16]
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jurov	:D	[02:16]
mircea_popescu	lol	[02:16]
mircea_popescu	so i use some random online service. it does w/e well. i shoot the guy an email asking for his bitcoin addy because i want to send him some cents as encouragement.	[02:17]
mircea_popescu	guy responds with gushing email and his bitcoin addy.	[02:17]
mircea_popescu	inception.	[02:17]
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mod6	well, in regard to the insult ladder: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=6 :: I wish that the foundation didn't have such a presence so someone better might have gotten involved with Wilson.	[02:32]
dexX7	http://i.imgur.com/y3NN6bg.png poor poor rentalstarter	[02:32]
mod6	oh maybe he wasnt with the foundation, just the 'bitcoin consultancy' or whatever.	[02:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 11085 @ 0.00025658 = 2.8442 BTC [-] {10}	[02:33]
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mod6	oh and intersango. of course.	[02:36]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00024962 = 1.2481 BTC [-] {2}	[02:37]
mod6	http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=genjix	[02:38]
ozbot	#bitcoin-otc gpg key data	[02:38]
mod6	haha, bitcoinica too i guess.	[02:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 15 @ 0.01119474 = 0.1679 BTC [-] {3}	[02:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 41 @ 0.01111246 = 0.4556 BTC [-] {3}	[02:39]
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mircea_popescu	mod6 taaki has anything to do with foundation now ?!	[02:40]
mod6	no, at least, not that i know of. an error on my part. the 'bitcoin consultancy'	[02:40]
mod6	unless that means the same thing	[02:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 229 @ 0.00126978 = 0.2908 BTC [+]	[02:41]
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nubbins`	hi	[02:44]
nubbins`	lel @ bitfunder	[02:44]
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Lennix1	hey TAT, given the current situation, you might think about offering those who are transferring their shares to BF to change their destination to HL	[02:46]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3145 @ 0.00084478 = 2.6568 BTC [-]	[02:49]
mircea_popescu	it'd seem ThickAsThieves gets his first real taste of bitcoin business sudden rush of wtfomg these days.	[02:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 25 @ 0.00748959 = 0.1872 BTC [+] {2}	[02:50]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 10 @ 0.01236989 = 0.1237 BTC [+]	[02:58]
dexX7	maybe this is a good time to build a proper frontend for mpex	[02:59]
mircea_popescu	in bootstrap ?	[03:00]
dexX7	lol	[03:00]
dexX7	yes, and highcharts sarcasm_off	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt4QeltSKL8	[03:01]
ozbot	Trailer Porno Romanesc.avi - YouTube	[03:01]
dexX7	i bet it's funnier, if you understand what they say	[03:03]
pankkake	I like the mcxnow charts	[03:03]
mircea_popescu	they get to bad english towards the end	[03:03]
pankkake	oh it seems to be highcharts too	[03:04]
pankkake	I don't think I know any romanian pornstar	[03:04]
mircea_popescu	yeah, you do.	[03:04]
nubbins`	lel	[03:04]
pankkake	female	[03:05]
mircea_popescu	yes female.	[03:05]
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pankkake	ah yes, forgot Mircea is a girl's name	[03:05]
mircea_popescu	lol	[03:05]
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mircea_popescu	;;google steve holmes alice romain	[03:06]
gribble	Alice Romain sister to Sandra \| Adult DVD Talk Forum \| Porn Fan ...: ; Steve Holmes - Free Porn, Porn Tube, Free Porn Videos, Amateur ...: ; Sandra Romains Little Sister Does her First Porn Ever:	[03:06]
pankkake	yeah found Sandra Romain, I know	[03:07]
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pankkake	I like her work in Hellfire Sex apparently	[03:07]
pankkake	lol "chuck it"	[03:08]
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mircea_popescu	also, these chicks : http://trilema.com/2012/doua-alternative-teoretice/	[03:08]
mircea_popescu	how many triplets that do porn do you know ?	[03:08]
pankkake	identical triplets?	[03:09]
nubbins`	there are fraternal triplets?	[03:09]
nubbins`	no reason why not, i suppose	[03:09]
mircea_popescu	sure there are, and yes.	[03:09]
pankkake	I have no sister, but I never understood the incest taboo	[03:09]
mircea_popescu	it doesn;t apply to girls.	[03:09]
pankkake	it never applies to girls	[03:10]
pankkake	pedolesbians are ok too	[03:10]
nubbins`	i was always under the impression that any product of such union would be a horrible mess of recessive genetic defects brought to life	[03:10]
nubbins`	but afaik girls can't impregnate each other	[03:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.01169999 = 0.468 BTC [-]	[03:11]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` it's risky, but by no means not guaranteed failure.	[03:11]
mircea_popescu	to quote some guy on some irc channel, "the island where i live had two moose couples introduced. now there's 150k of them"	[03:11]
pankkake	nubbins`: well yes, but the taboo is about sex, not having children	[03:11]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: it was 4 moose :(	[03:11]
nubbins`	they tried 2 and it didn't work	[03:11]
pankkake	many people should not reproduce too (because bad gene combinations), but society thinks sex is ok	[03:11]
nubbins`	oh, 2 moose couples	[03:12]
nubbins`	reading comprehension	[03:12]
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nubbins`	did i mention i made a delicious moose stew yesterday?	[03:12]
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mircea_popescu	nubbins` 2couples.	[03:13]
mircea_popescu	lol	[03:14]
nubbins`	so anyway, i was wondering if any of you could recall an occasion where people created a new blockchain for the express purpose of keeping track of share ownership	[03:15]
nubbins`	i.e. company does an ipo, sells 100k shares, creates genesis block showing 100k addresses with 1 satoshi in each	[03:15]
nubbins`	none of this coloured coin stuff, but an actual separate blockchain altogether	[03:15]
nubbins`	with the idea being that each satoshi represents 1 share	[03:16]
kakobrekla	why have 100k addys	[03:16]
nubbins`	well i suppose 1 address per ipo shareholder makes more sense	[03:17]
kakobrekla	1 btc would equal to 100000000 shares, you can have it on a single addy	[03:17]
nubbins`	sorry, i had all this written down somewhere but lost it	[03:17]
nubbins`	anyway, each new block shows not btc changing hands but shares changing hands	[03:17]
kakobrekla	like its 1 address per bitcoin user except that its not	[03:17]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` this is colored coins basically.	[03:18]
mircea_popescu	iirc they did try aspecial coin at some point	[03:18]
mircea_popescu	nobody would mine it	[03:18]
nubbins`	heh	[03:18]
mircea_popescu	sometime 2012 this	[03:18]
kakobrekla	eh?	[03:18]
kakobrekla	just merge mine it	[03:18]
nubbins`	you wouldn't need to mine	[03:18]
mircea_popescu	they didn't have mm at the time yet.	[03:18]
nubbins`	all the shares that will exist are created at ipo	[03:18]
kakobrekla	if you are luke, nobody has to know you are doing it with others hash power too	[03:18]
nubbins`	well, to put another way	[03:19]
kakobrekla	mining is not only for printing	[03:19]
kakobrekla	its how tx gets confirmed	[03:19]
nubbins`	no block rewards	[03:19]
kakobrekla	mhm	[03:19]
nubbins`	i had some sort of idea about proof of work being required to post a bid/ask	[03:20]
nubbins`	but i don't think it'd work in practice	[03:20]
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kakobrekla	where is that mpex options calculator	[03:21]
mircea_popescu	the who ?!	[03:24]
mircea_popescu	heresy!	[03:24]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4823 @ 0.00084792 = 4.0895 BTC [+]	[03:26]
nubbins`	the problem is that the smaller the fund, the greater the risk of a 51% attack	[03:26]
nubbins`	and the whole thing kinda fell apart around that point	[03:26]
nubbins`	started thinking about the fund operator running the equivalent of a mining pool and putting limitations on gh/s per shareholder etc etc	[03:27]
mircea_popescu	right-o.	[03:27]
nubbins`	but then i became confused	[03:27]
nubbins`	& figured i'd waste everyone's time in here	[03:27]
gribble	Error: "figured" is not a valid command.	[03:27]
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peterl	lol gribble	[03:29]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.00126978 = 0.127 BTC [+]	[03:33]
nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/cbc-apologizes-1.1930366	[03:34]
ozbot	CBC Apologizes - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News	[03:34]
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mircea_popescu	aww	[03:36]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 1.239 = 2.478 BTC [-]	[03:38]
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mircea_popescu	Eight members of Congress were arrested during a Tuesday immigration rally on Washington, D.C.’s National Mall.	[03:57]
mircea_popescu	heck, i didn't know you can do that.	[03:57]
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mircea_popescu	in what country can you arrest mps ?!	[03:58]
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nubbins`	in what country can't you!	[04:04]
nubbins`	http://www.vancouversun.com/business/resources/Fracking+protest+ends+arrest/8807051/story.html	[04:04]
nubbins`	http://m.570news.com/2013/07/16/alberta-mp-arrested-in-prostitution-sting/	[04:06]
ozbot	Conservative Alberta MP arrested in prostitution sting \| 570News	[04:06]
nubbins`	TBF that last one was in a foreign country	[04:06]
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mircea_popescu	nubbins` in romania you can't arrest a mp.	[04:07]
mircea_popescu	or in england, or in france	[04:07]
mircea_popescu	or generally in the civilised world. wtf is this.	[04:07]
nubbins`	that vancouversun.com article is actually about a sitting british mp being arrested	[04:07]
nubbins`	in britain	[04:07]
mircea_popescu	alberta ?!	[04:07]
nubbins`	no	[04:08]
nubbins`	http://www.vancouversun.com/business/resources/Fracking+protest+ends+arrest/8807051/story.html	[04:08]
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nubbins`	green party, natch	[04:08]
mircea_popescu	"Caroline Lucas, Britain’s only Green Party member in Parliament, was led away by police from a sit-in at the gates of a drilling site near the village of Balcombe and put in a police van."	[04:08]
mircea_popescu	not arrested.	[04:09]
nubbins`	bah	[04:09]
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mircea_popescu	sure, if there's a brawl the police will come in and knock people over heads.	[04:09]
nubbins`	"A British lawmaker was among more than two dozen people arrested Monday at a protest against shale gas extraction in southern England."	[04:09]
mircea_popescu	but the only way to arrest a mp is to get permission from the respective parliament	[04:09]
mircea_popescu	this since about 1790	[04:09]
mircea_popescu	the press is clueless.	[04:09]
nubbins`	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_immunity	[04:10]
nubbins`	i wonder if this applies to canadia	[04:10]
mircea_popescu	"Members of parliament may be arrested or otherwise deprived of their freedom, or face restrictions thereof, only with the permission of the desk of their assembly. "	[04:11]
nubbins`	i was confusing that with parliamentary privilege	[04:12]
nubbins`	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_privilege	[04:13]
nubbins`	ok, here we go	[04:13]
nubbins`	Individual parliamentary privileges include: Freedom of speech, Freedom from arrest in civil action, Exemption from jury duty, Exemption from appearing as a witness, Freedom from obstruction, interference, intimidation and molestation	[04:13]
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kakobrekla	mpex-mktdepth.php still has sdice asks innit	[04:14]
mircea_popescu	ha.	[04:15]
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nubbins`	"Freedom from arrest in civil actions is the oldest privilege of the House of Commons, pre‑dating freedom of speech in the United Kingdom.[191] The immunity exists because the House has the pre‑eminent claim to the attendance and service of its Members, free from restraint or intimidation particularly by means of legal arrest in civil process. It has only applied to arrest and imprisonment unde	[04:15]
nubbins`	civil process and does not interfere with the administration of criminal justice."	[04:15]
nubbins`	so if an mp slanders you, tough shit	[04:15]
mircea_popescu	that last bit doesn't seem particularly accurate.	[04:15]
nubbins`	if he stabs you, tough shit for him	[04:15]
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nubbins`	straight from the horse's mouth: http://www.parl.gc.ca/procedure-book-livre/Document.aspx?sbdid=abbc077a-6dd8-4fbe-a29a-3f73554e63aa&sbpid=8d1fb681-ebe9-49e7-a752-37cf494854cb	[04:16]
mod6	well if they were arrested at some drilling site, maybe they were tresspassing	[04:16]
nubbins`	"Any incident of a criminal nature in which a Member has been charged is not a matter where immunity from arrest will protect that Member."	[04:17]
mod6	It also means that members of Parliament cannot be arrested on civil matters for statements made or acts undertaken as an MP within the grounds of the Palace of Westminster, on the condition that such statements or acts occur as part of a proceeding in Parliament—for example, as a question to the Prime Minister in the House of Commons.	[04:17]
mod6	There is no immunity from arrest on criminal grounds, nor does the civil privilege entirely extend to the devolved administrations in Scotland or Wales.	[04:17]
mircea_popescu	this sounds like a novel development.	[04:17]
mod6	show me what a police state looks like	[04:17]
mircea_popescu	maybe my memory is confused and common law never had that priviledge,	[04:17]
mircea_popescu	but iirc it did.	[04:17]
nubbins`	ok, it says right here that parliamentary privilege only covers your actions in your capacity as an MP	[04:18]
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nubbins`	and, in fact, an MP would have to attend a hearing for a traffic violation	[04:18]
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nubbins`	"If Members are charged with infractions of the law, then they must abide by the due process of law just like any other citizen. To do otherwise would be contemptuous of the justice system."	[04:18]
mircea_popescu	sucks to be stuck in common laws systems i guess.	[04:18]
nubbins`	ah, it's not that bad	[04:19]
mircea_popescu	so when was this so interpreted ?	[04:19]
nubbins`	since time immemorial, apparently	[04:19]
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nubbins`	"This is in accordance with the principle laid down by the British House of Commons in a conference with the House of Lords in 1641"	[04:19]
nubbins`	you're telling me that in romania, an mp can rent a van and drive it through a crowd of people, killing indiscriminately, and he cannot be arrested?	[04:20]
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nubbins`	AMAZING COMPANY!	[04:22]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[04:22]
nubbins`	hi	[04:22]
nubbins`	we were just discussing parliamentary privilege, and the limits thereof, in common-law systems of government	[04:23]
nubbins`	more like british minsters tying themselves to trees	[04:25]
nubbins`	or romanian ministers driving vans through crowds of people	[04:25]
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nubbins`	oh, yes	[04:27]
nubbins`	however, it only covers MPs acting in their duties as MPs	[04:27]
mike_c	it all makes sense now. mirecea can run a btc equity exchange without getting arrested because he's a MP	[04:27]
nubbins`	speaking of immunities, i have a spare router and was thinking of providing free wifi access, thoughts?	[04:28]
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nubbins`	bagholder: wanna buy some mining hardware?	[04:29]
bagholder	lol not really	[04:29]
nubbins`	but… your name...	[04:29]
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bagholder	haha i know.	[04:30]
nubbins`	yeah	[04:31]
nubbins`	then i was thinking i could set up a tor node on a raspi and run the wifi through that	[04:32]
mod6	think of how dangerous this gets. if you can't run an open wifi channel because of 'terrorists', then you really can't run an encrypted one either as WEP/WPA2 have been broken.	[04:32]
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pankkake	WPA2 isn't broken	[04:32]
mod6	you can crack wpa2	[04:32]
dexX7	hey nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=308085.0	[04:33]
pankkake	reddit summed up: let's solve a complex issue by selling shirts	[04:34]
nubbins`	dexX7: thanks for the tip!	[04:34]
dexX7	lol yea, pankkake	[04:34]
dexX7	nubbins`: :) i'm happy to promote your "service"	[04:35]
pankkake	I didn't know. interesting	[04:35]
mod6	i dunno, i guess a lot of this depends on key weakness... but you do see the slippery slope there though of course.	[04:35]
mod6	hopefully someday all these laws/regulations will go away.	[04:36]
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mircea_popescu	nubbins` he can not be arrested.	[04:40]
nubbins`	REALLY?	[04:40]
mircea_popescu	he can be detained, but he'll walk right out of that the next day and presumably climb right into his spare van	[04:40]
nubbins`	people stand for that?	[04:40]
midnightmagic	mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mius mixdio	[04:40]
midnightmagic	mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mius mixdio	[04:40]
mircea_popescu	mike_c im not a mp! i'm THE mp.	[04:40]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` sure. why not ?	[04:41]
nubbins`	not sure if serious	[04:41]
mircea_popescu	i am.	[04:41]
nubbins`	i'm mildly shocked	[04:42]
nubbins`	i'm used to elected officials at least pretending that they're not above the law	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	listen. if you don't trust the guy don't vote him,	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	if you imagine the damage he does comes chiefly through mowing down people in a van... you're at least naive.	[04:43]
nubbins`	well, hitting people with vans wasn't part of his platform!	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	besides, in romania you can murder someone and as long as its your first offense you usually get a suspended sentence.	[04:43]
mod6	i guess i should retract that statement about cracking wpa2. perhaps the cryptosystem itself perhaps hasn't been broken yet. but it can be dictionary attacked, of course.	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	o shit, nubsy, you make shirts baby ? i got something for you	[04:44]
mod6	next they'll come after you for having weak passwords... etc.	[04:44]
mod6	yikes	[04:44]
nubbins`	just seems odd that you'd give people a free pass on being a dickhead just because of their job	[04:44]
nubbins`	technically i only print the shirts, but ya know, splitting hairs here	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` you realise "cant be arrested" != "can't be prosecuted" right ?	[04:44]
pankkake	mod6: yes. actually France has a thing like that. you are responsible of "securing" your line	[04:45]
nubbins`	never really examined that relation before, in fact	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	arrest is this very peculiar sort of remedy. the mps are the gentry of the land, and the police state doth not get to mess with the gentry. because the gentry owns the government not the other fucking way around.	[04:45]
pankkake	(and this was only for piracy, not for terrorism etc)	[04:45]
dub	speaking of t-shirts http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2013/05/15/184208123/were-making-t-shirts-lots-and-lots-of-t-shirts	[04:46]
dub	kickstarter still retarded	[04:46]
mod6	thats amazing. this type of thing must die.	[04:46]
mod6	wat, no AMAZING COMPANY?!	[04:46]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[04:46]
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nubbins`	dub: i listened to something the other day about how they had such a pain in the ass transferring money	[04:46]
mircea_popescu	i kinda like the idea. "secure your line or go to jale".	[04:46]
mircea_popescu	next would of course be the mass jailing of microsoft. "failed to secure your product, life w/o possibility"	[04:47]
nubbins`	don't let anyone steal your french fries or 50 lashes	[04:47]
mod6	but if the tools one is given are too shitty to secure the line in the first place, im not sure you can hold someone accountable for that. aside from that, if someone wants in, they'll get in.	[04:47]
dub	nubbins`: yeah thats where I found it	[04:47]
mod6	either that, or restrict the internet to only a select handful of groups/individuals. although, that wouldn't probably go over very well.	[04:48]
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mircea_popescu	mod6 buy good tools or don't have a line.	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	gotta create the mkt for sane software somehow.	[04:49]
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Namworld	Well, BTCT.co is out. BitFunder has a foot on the doorstep.	[04:59]
Namworld	Havelock and MPEx remain	[04:59]
Namworld	I guess Havelock will lock out US people at a minimum soon	[05:00]
dub	we should all lock out US people	[05:00]
dub	lock them in the US nuke it from orbit	[05:00]
Namworld	Only MPEx will still allow US people I guess. MPEx doesn't care/discriminate. MPEx only requires a minimum of funding (registration fee)	[05:01]
kakobrekla	scamlab speaks https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=263445.msg3303684#msg3303684	[05:02]
pankkake	yet MP hates everything US!	[05:02]
pankkake	not really scamcoin	[05:03]
pankkake	he's a victim too	[05:03]
pankkake	and he got paid in lolcoin shares iirc!	[05:04]
mircea_popescu	i don't hate everything us, i fuck us chicks like weekly.	[05:04]
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pankkake	corn fed?	[05:05]
dub	corn holed	[05:05]
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*	pankkake thanks urban dictionnary	[05:05]
mircea_popescu	you threatening me ?	[05:06]
pankkake	just need tp for my bunghole	[05:06]
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mircea_popescu	* bagholder is now known as freshcoin << saving this for the recquord, quoted for truth, so very apt etc.	[05:07]
Namworld	lol, bagholder	[05:07]
mircea_popescu	"I have not been able to get a hold of Sam in over a week. I have talked to TheSeven over Skype and I can't speak for him but I feel that we are reaching the point where the Labcoin team being absent is just not even close to OK anymore."	[05:07]
mircea_popescu	tada.	[05:07]
mircea_popescu	where's the blood sweat and tears ?	[05:08]
mircea_popescu	where's the drunken brawly post (meanwhile edited) ?	[05:08]
Namworld	Fresh coins go this way	[05:08]
Namworld	<---	[05:08]
mircea_popescu	ou sont les scams d'antan	[05:08]
freshcoin	lol	[05:08]
nubbins`	les scams sont partout :(	[05:09]
mircea_popescu	http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/08/24/1233627/-NY-AG-Schneiderman-Files-40-Million-Fraud-Lawsuit-Against-Donald-Trump-his-University	[05:10]
ozbot	Daily Kos: NY AG Schneiderman Files $40 Million Fraud Lawsuit Against Donald Trump & his 'University	[05:10]
Namworld	Parti la ou il reste des gens qui ne sont pas sans le sous	[05:10]
Namworld	C'est qu'ils on eu du succes	[05:10]
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mircea_popescu	mais ou y-a-til encore des gens avec d'ecus!	[05:11]
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nubbins`	j'ai besoin d'une nouvelle scam maintenant!	[05:11]
pankkake	j'ai besoin d'une nouvelle arnaque maintenant !	[05:12]
Namworld	Des ecus? Ca ca va prendre une machine a remonter dans le temps pour en trouver!	[05:12]
mircea_popescu	check it out pankkake, we're speaking in prose!	[05:12]
mircea_popescu	Namworld shh, it rhymes with sous. it'll have to do.	[05:12]
nubbins`	ahahaha	[05:12]
Namworld	I've seen better...	[05:12]
nubbins`	goodness	[05:12]
mircea_popescu	http://www.journaldugeek.com/files/2013/02/Screenshot_1111-600x338.png	[05:13]
nubbins`	sweet walkman	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	that is not a man.	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	you can tell by the penis and some other pixels.	[05:14]
bloctoc	is there an osx eulora download somewhere? I hear that game is the shits.	[05:14]
mircea_popescu	bloctoc no osx specific yet. there's a precompiled linux thing which maybe might work,	[05:14]
mircea_popescu	and there's source which you might compile.	[05:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.01114971 = 0.3791 BTC [-] {3}	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	a new version is about to come out this month tho, with a bunch of changes, so if the binary doesn't work prolly save yourself for that rather than compile old code.	[05:15]
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bloctoc	two weeks then?	[05:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 55 @ 0.0106739 = 0.5871 BTC [-] {6}	[05:17]
mircea_popescu	mebbe less.	[05:17]
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mircea_popescu	that great moment when you read your own blog, discovering excellent poetry you had written years ago and meanwhile forgotten. check it :	[05:21]
mircea_popescu	Despre-un baiat si-o fata cu inima curata	[05:21]
mircea_popescu	Ce-i susura-n urechi, umed, cambrata	[05:21]
mircea_popescu	Soapte de-amor si dragoste adevarata	[05:21]
mircea_popescu	Tot ce se poate spune s-a zis macar o data.	[05:21]
nubbins`	GCC included in OSX doesn't work well at all with eulora code	[05:24]
nubbins`	oh, he left	[05:24]
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nubbins`	oh, he's back	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	lol	[05:25]
bloctoc	hi what did i miss? (if you're talking about me)	[05:25]
bloctoc	I clicked on some jpg then my computer froze. probably just a coincidence.	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	maybe it was a really cool jpg	[05:26]
bloctoc	I'll never know...	[05:27]
mircea_popescu	“As democracy is perfected, the office of the President represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last and the White House will be occupied by a downright fool and complete narcissistic moron.”	[05:27]
mircea_popescu	anyway, bloctoc : we were talking to you, look in the log.	[05:27]
bloctoc	I suppose the log in on the internet somewhere...	[05:28]
mircea_popescu	try /topic	[05:28]
nubbins`	heh	[05:30]
nubbins`	what i was saying is that you very well might be able to compile eulora on OSX, but the version of GCC bundled with it won't work	[05:30]
nubbins`	apparently it's some sort of weird gcc/llvm hybrid	[05:30]
nubbins`	now, you can replace the onboard gcc with a proper version, but that breaks other things	[05:30]
mircea_popescu	break all the other things!	[05:31]
nubbins`	i think i did :(	[05:31]
nubbins`	anyway, it's certainly possible, given enough patience	[05:31]
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bloctoc	thanks mp nubbins I'll steer clear of osx. Maybe I'll try eulora on gentoo. if I get around to it.	[05:37]
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dub	united derps of derpmurica	[05:41]
dub	http://news.yahoo.com/us-adults-score-below-average-worldwide-test-090114407.html	[05:42]
ozbot	US adults score below average on worldwide test - Yahoo News	[05:42]
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mircea_popescu	penis size ?	[05:42]
mike_c	gullability	[05:42]
mircea_popescu	Gullibility McGillicuddy	[05:46]
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mircea_popescu	it’s illegal to be gay in 78 countries, with lesbianism is banned in 49.	[05:51]
mircea_popescu	why no 69!	[05:51]
mircea_popescu	so close ;/	[05:51]
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dub	ah conversations with security folk	[05:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 1.239 BTC [-]	[05:59]
dub	how amusing and pointless you are	[06:00]
bloctoc	I read that people are "rick rolling" the FBI's seized coins account with messages on block chain dust. It's got me thinking about how one would set up a p2p marketplace built entirely off messages to that FBI address.	[06:01]
dub	lol	[06:01]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha	[06:02]
mircea_popescu	this is the best colored coins idea i heard so far.	[06:02]
dub	if only there was some kind of virtual dice game.. we could leverage that	[06:02]
mircea_popescu	A state highway that runs through the national park was closed after Grand Canyon officials found tourists removing barricades at overlooks along the road.	[06:02]
mircea_popescu	dude, they should ground planes	[06:02]
mircea_popescu	i once looked down into some natl park so i know it can be done	[06:02]
mod6	haha	[06:03]
mod6	i hate to see the GC closed. but fatasses hike into it everyday and can't get out so they need to emergency helicoptered out. so shrug	[06:07]
mircea_popescu	http://blacren.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/bdk2.jpg	[06:09]
dub	could be solved with an intensive wild cat breeding program	[06:09]
mircea_popescu	so for my curiosity, identify the lezzies.	[06:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 1.239 = 18.585 BTC [-]	[06:13]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1777 @ 0.00084042 = 1.4934 BTC [+]	[06:16]
pankkake	google images has the answer	[06:18]
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dexX7	uh oh https://bitfunder.com/ ;)	[06:21]
mircea_popescu	remarkable how little cultural/visual history people on average know	[06:22]
mircea_popescu	that's one of the iconic moments of the 90s i'd say.	[06:22]
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dub	I HAD 15 COINS ON THAT SITE AND ITS MY RETIREMENT FUND. OMG IM GOING TO DIE ALONE	[06:22]
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pankkake	if you care about mainstream crap maybe	[06:23]
dub	MY SHIT IS LITERALLY FLIPPING	[06:23]
mircea_popescu	dexX7 not news was it ?	[06:23]
mircea_popescu	pankkake how's that mainstream !?	[06:23]
pankkake	madonna?	[06:23]
mircea_popescu	i guess, queen of pop and all that. her lezzing out with naomi campbell and some obscure rapper hardly qualifies tho.	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	about as subcultural, countercultural, subversive and all that as it gets.	[06:24]
dub	its quite simple	[06:24]
pankkake	I've seen the "sex" book and well, boring	[06:24]
dub	has vagina? is lesbian	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	not for the 90s tho.	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	at the time dub was dubbing it to ascii prons	[06:25]
dexX7	mircea_popescu: there was a short moment of "Maintenance in progress. Thank you for your patience."	[06:25]
dub	I certainly knocked a couple out to that book	[06:25]
mircea_popescu	dexX7 a ok.	[06:25]
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mircea_popescu	dub i think i bought the only dozen that made that year to romania.	[06:25]
dexX7	trades were shown as executed but actually weren't and even more funny: right after that moment you saw the "share balance" of the user from whom you tried to buy/sell shares..	[06:25]
mircea_popescu	whoa ?!	[06:25]
pankkake	Max Hardcore was in the 90's	[06:26]
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mircea_popescu	not mainstream.	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	max hardcore in 1992 was being about as hard to get as cocaine today.	[06:26]
pankkake	well yeah! that was my hipsterist moment	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	i'll remind you aol was not yet online.	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	think about it. no bitcointalk forum, no bitcointalk forumers. nowhere.	[06:27]
mircea_popescu	pdp-10s and shit.	[06:27]
Lennix1	dexX7: And for the seller its shown as if he sold it to himself	[06:27]
dexX7	ah i see	[06:27]
Lennix1	and you paid the fee :D	[06:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 160 @ 0.00299997 = 0.48 BTC [+]	[06:28]
mircea_popescu	anyway, i gotta confess i'm kinda jealous of all that btctc volume and shit.	[06:30]
dexX7	so you admit "it was real"?	[06:30]
Lennix1	if you'd drop that ridicolous fee and modernized your page a bit, you could get that volume easily	[06:31]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: email coming your way	[06:31]
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nubbins`	would look ok with any shirt/ink colour combimation, really	[06:33]
nubbins`	bright red shirt with bright blue ink would be particularly eye catching	[06:33]
mircea_popescu	Lennix1 i make the rules.	[06:34]
dexX7	lol	[06:34]
mircea_popescu	dexX7 i guess you miss teh sarcasm layered in there.	[06:34]
dexX7	:(	[06:34]
dexX7	everytime i asked in the past, if you were sacrastic, you denied.. so i assumed you are always talking serious :p	[06:35]
nubbins`	anyway it turns out that a convincing RJ connector is actually pretty difficult to draw	[06:35]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` i heard this a few times this week	[06:35]
pankkake	the quote is out, too late	[06:35]
Namworld	So... there's been a bug all day on BitFunder where... when you filled a ask, it made the seller buy from his own ask, and then showed you his amount of shares on the page after trade executed.	[06:39]
nubbins`	lel	[06:39]
Namworld	Short: Filling ask makes seller buy from himself and then shows you seller's stats	[06:39]
Namworld	Whut?	[06:40]
mircea_popescu	sounds pretty bad.	[06:41]
Namworld	It is. I guess Ukto will have to refund all trading fees for the day. Cause many fees where obviously not necessary.	[06:42]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00084009 = 2.6043 BTC [-] {2}	[06:43]
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Lennix1	mircea_popescu: and you're wondering why noone is playing with you	[06:45]
mircea_popescu	you are very much confused.	[06:45]
Lennix1	:)	[06:45]
mircea_popescu	i am amused at the noobs that still don't grasp why their average bitcoin lifespan is less than a year.	[06:46]
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Namworld	Strangely enough, so far my lifespan has only been 1.5 year	[06:46]
asa1024	i've had fun the past year	[06:46]
mircea_popescu	Namworld makes you better than nefario & burnside so far.	[06:47]
asa1024	learned lots	[06:47]
Namworld	Considering I started early 2012, a while after learning about Bitcoin from an article about the 2011 autumn crash	[06:47]
mircea_popescu	asa1024 that's a virtue.	[06:47]
Namworld	I learned about it so late...	[06:47]
asa1024	i just keep my mouth shut and watch what other people have to say	[06:47]
mircea_popescu	an even greater virtue.	[06:47]
thestringpuller	lol looks like there will be blood 2 is gonna resolve soon	[06:49]
thestringpuller	bitfunder is crasssshing	[06:49]
mircea_popescu	wait there's a 2nd one ?	[06:50]
thestringpuller	bitfunder vs havelock I think	[06:50]
Namworld	It's already resolved since BTCT.co... nevermind	[06:50]
mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/551/us-debt-ceiling-will-be-lifted-by-oct/	[06:50]
ozbot	BitBet - US Debt ceiling will be lifted by Oct. 17th	[06:50]
mircea_popescu	wow... someone actually thinks the ceiling gets lifted.	[06:50]
Namworld	lol, was making bets on who goes next?	[06:50]
dexX7	last year, when i didn't know much about bitcoin and browsed btctalk mostly because of "x got hacked" news, i somehow ended up on trilema (-pr did a good job, i guess) everytime and was wondering "what is this cryptic language and why is this guy using a picture of himself as background" ... interesting how everything turned out a year later.	[06:50]
Lennix1	with the blatant incompetence of Ukyo/Ukto there will be no fight. Ukyo/Ukto will kill himself	[06:51]
Namworld	A dead pool?	[06:51]
thestringpuller	lol Ukto will kill himself	[06:51]
mircea_popescu	a bitcoin suicide ?	[06:51]
mircea_popescu	too soon.	[06:51]
kakobrekla	it always gets lifted	[06:51]
mircea_popescu	dexX7 o cause it was romanian still at the time ?	[06:52]
Lennix1	well I hope not literally, but at least he will kill bitfunder	[06:52]
Namworld	I doubt it. It's a frontend bug. He doesn't test front-end enough I guess. Nothing keeps front-end from sending bad trades at the trading engine.	[06:52]
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dexX7	i think so, or i probably visited when it showed something romanian. though i wasn't that interested at this point to dig deeper.	[06:52]
Namworld	So far, no issues on the trading engine side it seems, ever	[06:52]
Lennix1	and thus bitfunder is great?	[06:53]
Namworld	Ukto puts too much time on the trading engine side and not enough on the front end with user inputs.	[06:53]
mircea_popescu	judging by the fact that this frontend knew the counterparties to trades,	[06:53]
mircea_popescu	it seems improbable there's a frontend/trade engine separation	[06:53]
Namworld	Actually the front-end often shows wrong stuff, trades, etc	[06:54]
mircea_popescu	but how did it know who sold when you bought ?	[06:54]
Namworld	When the back-end never actually processed	[06:54]
Namworld	My guess is the front end retrieves data from the back-end to display on the page, and send requests to the back-end which process it. The back-ends has lots of checks.	[06:55]
Namworld	Is my understanding of the system.	[06:55]
Namworld	But nothing keeps the front-end from sending incorrect trades that are valid according to back-end's data	[06:55]
mircea_popescu	if i could see the shares of a third party, could i perhaps withdraw for a 3rd party ?	[06:55]
Namworld	or showing the wrong info	[06:56]
Namworld	Possibly... but changing page restored your own info. The front-end only loaded the other party's info to you after you executed a trade.	[06:56]
Namworld	And apparently made you buy as that other party you're buying from when inputing a buy order	[06:57]
Namworld	Thus maybe why it then returned you and loaded that party info	[06:57]
Namworld	On the trade page.	[06:57]
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mircea_popescu	i never really studied how the thing works.	[06:58]
jborkl_	So the bitbet resolved double yes, other exchanges will shutter by the end of the year	[06:58]
Namworld	Well I guess after a trade, it redirects you back to the asset page and loads info for user which submited the trade.	[06:58]
Namworld	So the input submiting your trade as the user you're buying from... well then that can only possibly let you know that seller's amount of shares and that's it.	[06:59]
Namworld	As changing page loads info for your session, so your own info	[06:59]
VanCleef	assets are dead get out while you can	[06:59]
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mircea_popescu	thestringpuller link to that bet ?	[07:00]
Namworld	Isn't it odd? Bitfinex still around. It's Bitcoinica 2.0 pretty much.	[07:01]
Namworld	Guess they managed to outdo their predecessor.	[07:01]
Lennix1	well namworld I don't want to disillusionate you, but it seems that the only thing Ukto is doing, is watching his pile of bitcoins grow and grow	[07:02]
Namworld	Now to see how long it lasts. I'm curious	[07:02]
kakobrekla	outdo by time	[07:02]
kakobrekla	not by volume	[07:02]
Namworld	Yeah. Well volume is reasonable, but not amazing I guess?	[07:02]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[07:02]
kakobrekla	ass has it	[07:03]
Namworld	Ukto has been bleeding money on lawyers lately, or so I've heard.	[07:03]
Namworld	And he'll fix the thing and refund fees, any mishaps like this costs him in credibility and trading volume.	[07:04]
mircea_popescu	Namworld in the catatonic state it's in it can last indefinitely. icbit.se is still around too.	[07:04]
Namworld	He had trades working back in order in less than 10 minutes from being notified.	[07:04]
mircea_popescu	was it actually going for the entire day ?	[07:05]
Namworld	Now he has to fix trading fees that were charged	[07:05]
Namworld	Well not the full day. I guess for like a few hours, not sure.	[07:05]
Namworld	Maybe like 6-8 hours	[07:05]
mircea_popescu	couldn't have been that many trades anyone, someone'd have noticed/bitched.	[07:05]
mircea_popescu	anyway*	[07:05]
Namworld	Bitfinex volume isn't that low. There's like 1 million usd and 2000 BTC loaned out for margin trading right now.	[07:06]
Namworld	It's bigger than icbit.se if I'm not mistaken.	[07:07]
*	Namworld has never looked at icbit.se stats lately, last time he checked the website for like 10 seconds was like a year ago.	[07:07]
Namworld	icbit.se volume is incredibly low AFAIK?	[07:08]
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kakobrekla	aha finex has a new page	[07:09]
Namworld	They changed the interface. It's quite decent now.	[07:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 1.239 = 12.39 BTC [-]	[07:09]
Namworld	Volume is a bit bigger than before. I'd say it's decent.	[07:10]
Namworld	Well there's enough liquidity for it to work for any margin trader.	[07:10]
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Namworld	I'm just too afraid to use it knowing they used Bitcoinica's source code.	[07:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 1.20246666 = 10.8222 BTC [-] {2}	[07:10]
Namworld	Also pretty much stole their source code...	[07:11]
mod6	dont get zhou tonged	[07:11]
Namworld	Pretty much	[07:12]
Namworld	Still, I'm impressed	[07:12]
Namworld	They didn't get owned so far	[07:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 1.17 BTC [-]	[07:16]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00290019 = 0.58 BTC [-] {5}	[07:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 400 @ 0.001055 = 0.422 BTC [-] {2}	[07:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.00083991 = 2.2678 BTC [-] {2}	[07:18]
dub	do they have backups?	[07:18]
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Namworld	I put like 12000 USD back in April selling at 150-160, made a few hundreds in interest, bought back BTC at 90-95 USD, withdrew BTC. Now I have a few hundreds USD in lending lol.	[07:18]
Namworld	Arf, forgot about that	[07:18]
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Namworld	They claim daily backup and offline wallet	[07:19]
dub	I had forgoten btc on ozcoin until it got stolen	[07:19]
mircea_popescu	Namworld i can confidently say their volume is < 100 btc.	[07:19]
mircea_popescu	anyone can print any numbers they want on their own website.	[07:19]
Namworld	They have 10000 BTC according to their website stats (1 million USD + 2000 BTC)	[07:20]
Namworld	Would it really be surprising considering the scam IPOs which collected far more?	[07:21]
dub	story checks out	[07:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.0029 = 0.58 BTC [-]	[07:21]
kakobrekla	go back to glbse	[07:22]
mircea_popescu	except the scams didn't collect far more, they claimed to have collected far more.	[07:23]
mircea_popescu	which is generally and universally a very easy claim to make.	[07:23]
Namworld	What happens with that?	[07:23]
kakobrekla	they did collect more than 10k	[07:23]
kakobrekla	the scams	[07:23]
mircea_popescu	anyway, im off to bed. nn & gl.	[07:23]
Namworld	True, true. Like LetsDice IPO	[07:24]
kakobrekla	cya	[07:24]
Namworld	Probably most of the BTC was invested by owners	[07:24]
Namworld	"invested"	[07:24]
kakobrekla	!jd	[07:24]
assbot	Just-Dice stat: 1191 BTC profit, 56.1k BTC invested, 162.93 mio bets, 4.01 mio BTC wagered	[07:24]
Namworld	Just fake demand	[07:24]
Namworld	JD has 40x Coinroll's BTC wagered and like 1.25x Coinroll's profit on same house edge.	[07:25]
Namworld	Nakowa took it all	[07:25]
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BingoBoingo	So, Buttfunder is dead before I could even make money on a Bitbet for that shit.	[14:15]
Namworld	Correction, until further notice, it only stops servicing US customers and requires ID.	[14:16]
Namworld	I guess that's synonymous to dead tho	[14:16]
Namworld	Well I've had enough of all this. Off to sleep. Will probably close my PTs and the rest and only leave my loan active, perhaps.	[14:18]
Namworld	I prefer to manage only something on which I have a clear 100% responsibility on no matter what.	[14:19]
Namworld	Easier and straightforward	[14:19]
Namworld	Good night.	[14:19]
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BingoBoingo	Eh, It's taken me too long being on IRC to find the right Buttfunder joke. I'm kind of enjoying the Irony that 'Muricans that despise MPEx and MP that despises 'Muricans seem like they are going to have to get along some way. Probably in a way that involves 'Muricans learning options because MPEx ain't getting LabCoin, but still.	[14:21]
BingoBoingo	It is Fall 2012 all over again.	[14:21]
BingoBoingo	Diablo-D3: I wouldn't be surprised if it accelerates in the next year where even moar dispoasable exchanges pop up.	[14:23]
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BingoBoingo	It seems at this rate Meni Rosenfield will be able to raise 5KbTC capital on UsagiFunder before Thanksgiving.	[14:29]
mircea_popescu	whee	[14:33]
mircea_popescu	in other news : today we will have the S.NSA first product announcement.	[14:34]
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bitesak	great	[14:34]
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KRS-	Meni makes a lovely Musaca.	[14:36]
mircea_popescu	every pirate ship needs a good cook ?	[14:39]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.69348300 BTC to 1`386`966 shares, 50 satoshi per share	[15:00]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Please I've been waiting on it. I have already bet on it. Only donation m blog received so far got rolled into the Yes of this: http://bitbet.us/bet/545/no-such-labs-higher-market-cap-than-s-mg/ because fuck invesitng or hedging. Let the betting begin,	[15:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 1.11001 = 2.22 BTC [-]	[15:04]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo lolwhat a concept.	[15:05]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I don't have enough fingers to count how many bitbets I have been nearly all of both sides. I don't know what pankkake is smoking about yall abing slective.	[15:06]
mircea_popescu	wait srsly ?! betting with yourself ?	[15:06]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Yes, That is the beauty of mutual betting. Betting with myself until other people in the market correct the odds as they do so well.	[15:07]
mircea_popescu	interesting. is it productive over all these many bets ? or even been keeping track ?	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	i guess it wouldn't take that much to cover the 1% bitbet rakes.	[15:08]
BingoBoingo	The latest example is here where I am all of the yes and a good portion of the no. I could lose on a no, but it would be covered by http://bitbet.us/bet/113/bitbet-will-we-worth-more-than-satoshi-dice/ winnings.	[15:10]
BingoBoingo	By here I mean and forgot to link http://bitbet.us/bet/151/st-louis-cardinals-will-win-the-2013-world/	[15:10]
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BingoBoingo	Linking errors and mistypes are a peril, but for whom?	[15:12]
mircea_popescu	for everyone involved	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo o right, you were doing sports picks on your blog i recall	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	well, bitbet can certainly use more of that.	[15:14]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Well, If the Cardinal win the World series... I can probably find some BitBets on Bowl Games.	[15:15]
BingoBoingo	Then again I've also spoiled the line bets on forum advertised picks because I was too late. Also because fuck bookies.	[15:16]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I did sports picks on the blog, but my method is strictly just eyeballing match ups before I have the opportunity to form a real opinion. I may be a shutty method, but it has served me well. Who knows what I could achieve if only I had a monkey and a dart board.	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	lol	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	go to the bookies in your town, get one to back you.	[15:26]
mircea_popescu	maybe throw in a dartboard	[15:26]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: LoL, I'd have to go to Vegas... This whole Illinois and/or Missouri being the most corrupt state in the union deal. They won't allow house edges lower than the sanctioned lotto offers. And so I plan to keep doing to line betting sites what it did to that Blockbet.net place which mysteriously disappeared sometime around the NCAA basketball tournament.	[15:29]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[15:30]
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BingoBoingo	Pretty sure I didn't kill it with basketball though.	[15:32]
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BingoBoingo	If my ever so faulty memory serves me right they lifted lines from Vegas books for the World Baseball Classic. They completely forgot the part where the house vig was supposed to cover their trouble and not be a contributing factor to money they would bleed when the serious gamblers caught them in the ncaa tournament.	[15:37]
BingoBoingo	I file the incident under reasons I don't buy mining equipment.	[15:38]
mircea_popescu	lol	[15:40]
mircea_popescu	so basically wait wait just a second here.	[15:41]
mircea_popescu	are you saying the site FAKED its supposed bust, because it was betting its own book and lost ?	[15:41]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Honestly that is how I think Blockbet.net went down.	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	wow.	[15:45]
mircea_popescu	add another reason to "why not use random line betting btc site sprouted after last week's rain"	[15:45]
mircea_popescu	i did think the "bust" was a little suspicious.	[15:45]
BingoBoingo	If I were into Bitcoin both earlier and stupider I can't say I wouldn't have tried something similar, but GPG contacts and all	[15:46]
BingoBoingo	If dorks ever realized how much power they could get from simply having old, long GPG keys...	[15:50]
BingoBoingo	I also ripped into solar wind mining again, because it is their fault http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/09/a-sample-gpg-signature/	[15:55]
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bitesak	http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2013/10/07/the-nsas-hugely-expensive-utah-data-center-has-major-electrical-problems-and-basically-isnt-working/	[16:01]
ozbot	The NSA's Hugely Expensive Utah Data Center Has Major Electrical Problems And Basically Isn't Workin	[16:01]
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BingoBoingo	Who would have anticipated giant Faraday cages could also be giant antennas?	[16:03]
BingoBoingo	Also apparently Google has been hiding their GPG wizardry this whole time: https://services.google.com/corporate/publickey.txt	[16:05]
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mircea_popescu	bitesak lmao	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo that's not new by any means.	[16:09]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Maybe not to you, but I've been wondering why the gmail address I dump all my ciphertext to isn't getting cipher text in my notifications from them.	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	a well. dif story :)	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	so basically the nsa has created the world's largest bug zapper	[16:12]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Aren't they all. Except that pointless and whitless one?	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	and is using it on its own techs	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	bugs that they are.	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	superb.	[16:13]
jurov	if nsa repurposed the DC to bitcoin mining, no wonder	[16:13]
BingoBoingo	I'm just wondering how much data their zapper lst that they actually wanted.	[16:13]
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BingoBoingo	Like Tor I imagine it wasn't all of it, but enough of it to clear two or three people.	[16:15]
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BingoBoingo	I've seen yesterday's posts about random wanabee deaers getting busted. I wanted to make a post about retain a fucking lawyer now. Everystory I read about actual Silk Road people involve to much stupid though.	[16:17]
nubbins`	why retain a lawyer when you can just sell a bunch of coke instead?	[16:18]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: Case you can get a lawyer to just make bail for cheap. Then if you get busted have the good one keep you out of jail.	[16:19]
nubbins`	i was joking :(	[16:19]
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nubbins`	i know a guy who got busted a couple of years ago	[16:20]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: This is IRC everyone is joking, or incredibly serious.	[16:20]
nubbins`	he didn't retain a lawyer	[16:20]
nubbins`	and now he's not allowed to drink, do drugs, or leave his house	[16:20]
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BingoBoingo	nubbins`: Fuck him them. My drive through law trick must be a miracle man then (and this is the dude I didn't trust beyond making my bail).	[16:21]
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BingoBoingo	Have any of yall been on TradeFortress's network CoinChat, because I am running out of ways to call RealSolid and scammy fuck and Mcxnow something to avoid at all costs.	[16:24]
bitesak	somehow I feel the next announcement on s.NSA will inspire more than the bug zapper NSA story	[16:25]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo http://trilema.com/2012/why-its-not-actually-in-your-best-interest-to-allow-a-hired-third-party-to-speak-for-you-in-criminal-proceedings/	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	best learn teh law.	[16:26]
bitesak	mircea_popescu, have you stopped using twitter for mpex feed ? seems last trade was in june	[16:27]
bitesak	https://twitter.com/MPEx1	[16:27]
BingoBoingo	thank you mircea_popescu	[16:27]
ozbot	MPEx (MPEx1) on Twitter	[16:27]
BingoBoingo	bitesak: all of the payment addresses to yes on this bet http://bitbet.us/bet/545/no-such-labs-higher-market-cap-than-s-mg/ actually go to me.	[16:28]
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mod6	bitesak: i've got a twit feed going @bitotter	[16:29]
bitesak	thanks	[16:30]
bitesak	BingoBoingo, you mean in the sense you are taking care of the NO side and will reap the YES?	[16:32]
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BingoBoingo	bitesake: That is what I have set up now. I am th only yes on that bet, and I could win it simply in the week after IPO.	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	bitesak twitter basically decided i'm spamming them	[16:35]
mircea_popescu	i had been trying to get it "sorted out" but they're kind of unhelpful so... what can i do.	[16:36]
BingoBoingo	bitesak: Let us not forget this gem I sextupled my money on http://bitbet.us/bet/113/bitbet-will-we-worth-more-than-satoshi-dice/ by having simply identified in December Erik was too unreliable to spearhead a public asset backed by a GPG signed contract. For every other bet it is just the same sort of eyeballin'	[16:37]
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bitesak	how does that compare to buying shares in S.Bitbet and S.NSA rather than the bitbet venue as the depth seems way bigger the S. way	[16:40]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Aparently some other asshole has a twitter account in the name BingoBoingo, so I'll have to settle for BingoBlog or something when I get to it.	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	it's not such a great name anyway	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	(contrary to what you may think)	[16:41]
BingoBoingo	bitesak: No particular way other than a gambler. If people want to hedge fuck them because I'm gambling this shit.	[16:41]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Nothing apparently is a good enough name to break some brain wallets.	[16:42]
mircea_popescu	:p	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/166580-researchers-find-new-ultra-low-level-method-of-hacking-cpus-and-theres-no-way-to-detect-it	[16:47]
ozbot	Researchers find new, ultra-low-level method of hacking CPUs – and there’s no way to detect it \|	[16:47]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform for your lolz ^	[16:47]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: It apparently seems that Tor exits have to be honeypots. I've been running on for half of a week and been getting nothing but boring througn MITM attacks. No matter what bandwidth I offer Tor exits, the tor seems to adapt n a way that either recognizes me attacking its exits or suggests it is sucking some NSA dick.	[16:51]
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BingoBoingo	Maybe the next few days will offer something else, but so far I'm finding little more than Iranians who would probably rather the US get their story if only it wasn't so boring.	[16:58]
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BingoBoingo	I mean how wide does the "tor foundation" advertise their exit bandwidth being? There is not way I get all of the fringe cases exiting and nothing else if this shit ain't random. I'm probably burning some logs and just advertising Tor as more compromised than imagined.	[17:09]
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mircea_popescu	;;later tell bingoboingo maybe do a full study of the matter and publish the results.	[17:18]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[17:18]
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nubbins`	sweet! doing a zine workshop next tuesday	[17:31]
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bitesak	http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131008/18300324805/london-police-order-registrars-to-shut-down-bunch-websites-without-any-legal-basis-threaten-registrars-if-they-dont-comply.shtml	[19:16]
ozbot	London Police Order Registrars To Shut Down A Bunch Of Websites Without Any Legal Basis; Threaten Re	[19:16]
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nubbins`	wow	[19:18]
bitesak	conspiracy to defraud seems like an extremely large concept	[19:21]
nubbins`	bitcoin is a pretty large concept	[19:22]
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bitesak	easydns claims to be a NSA-Free Zone :) and actually seems to be standing up to this farce	[19:25]
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bitesak	on the bright side, all this inspires the likes of MP & co to develop S.NSA products	[19:30]
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nubbins`	joke's on you if S.NSA products have backdoors	[19:57]
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_mjoiii	Guys a plea for help...	[20:28]
_mjoiii	Anyone know of a method for tracking the transfers to Havelock?	[20:28]
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topace	tracking tranfers ?	[20:29]
_mjoiii	The lack of liquidity there is killing me and I don't see any improvement after recent news.	[20:29]
_mjoiii	Won't us traders be transferring shares there?	[20:29]
topace	quite possibly	[20:29]
_mjoiii	Not 1:1 tacking but just an indication of the progress	[20:30]
topace	to initiate share transfer, follow the instructions for the specific assets	[20:30]
topace	we arent doing any transfers automatically	[20:30]
_mjoiii	No no not me, I've been w Havelock all along and happy to have a Canadian option. Just can't buy or sell much without affecting prices.	[20:31]
_mjoiii	So really looking forward to having more company there.	[20:32]
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nubbins`	_mjoiii: are you trying to buy or sell? ;)	[20:36]
_mjoiii	Both generally, today thinking of selling some neobee.	[20:38]
_mjoiii	Take look at that book. Sell 2t and it drops to 0.001	[20:39]
_mjoiii	Sorry, 25	[20:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.01 = 0.4 BTC [-] {2}	[20:40]
nubbins`	yeah, volume is the problem with anything btc-related	[20:40]
nubbins`	only two funds have a 7-day volume > 100 btc	[20:41]
nubbins`	i suppose people coming over from bitfunder & btctctctctctc will change that somewhat	[20:42]
_mjoiii	That is my hope too.	[20:43]
ThickAsThieves	Don't expect too much change	[20:44]
ThickAsThieves	the factbeing that people are moving assets	[20:44]
ThickAsThieves	not coins	[20:44]
_mjoiii	Why not?	[20:44]
ThickAsThieves	this is a turtle market	[20:44]
kakobrekla	"buttfunder & btctctctctctc" - sounds like some strip joint	[20:44]
nubbins`	i always get confused as to what letter it ends on	[20:45]
nubbins`	their fault for putting half the name in the tld	[20:45]
kakobrekla	yeah its extra confusing	[20:45]
ThickAsThieves	so now that we caught up on processing all the migration data, we encountered a technical limitation with Bitfunder and we will have to require ALL TAT.ASICMINER migrators from BTCT to resubmit their info using a Havelock account	[20:46]
nubbins`	oof	[20:46]
kakobrekla	will you still be doing passthroughs?	[20:46]
ThickAsThieves	we haven't made any hard decisions in that regard	[20:47]
ThickAsThieves	we have a decision tree we have to climb through	[20:47]
ThickAsThieves	which requires meetings with various parties about various nuances	[20:48]
ThickAsThieves	there's no simple way to proceed	[20:48]
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kakobrekla	i guess that comes with diligence	[20:48]
ThickAsThieves	in the meantime the immediate issues are the shareholders in limbo, and dividends	[20:48]
ThickAsThieves	i have no problem saying that Bitfunder has not made this easy	[20:49]
ThickAsThieves	whereas Havelock has	[20:49]
kakobrekla	Want to play bitcoin? Step 1: Move out of US. Step 2: Done.	[20:50]
ThickAsThieves	it's not even that simple	[20:50]
ThickAsThieves	but that's within the decision tree	[20:50]
topace	:)	[20:50]
ThickAsThieves	we've been working hard behind the scenes to legitimize our role into a real bitcoin investment bank	[20:51]
ThickAsThieves	we have a plan we've been executing	[20:51]
ThickAsThieves	but it does sorta require exchanges to do the same	[20:51]
robitnik	Does "we" include Neo?	[20:53]
robitnik	Or LMB	[20:53]
Jere_Jones	ThickAsThieves: "turtle market"? As in "turtles all the way down"?	[20:55]
ThickAsThieves	we is me, my partner, our team, and our lawyers	[20:55]
ThickAsThieves	turtle as in, hiding in its shell	[20:56]
ThickAsThieves	i figure "bear" market isnt quite fitting	[20:56]
Jere_Jones	Ah. Ok.	[20:56]
Jere_Jones	Nope. Still don't get it.	[20:56]
ThickAsThieves	what do turtles do when they are scared?	[20:57]
ThickAsThieves	shrink into their shell	[20:57]
Jere_Jones	Yes	[20:57]
ThickAsThieves	dont dwell on it too much	[20:57]
ThickAsThieves	;)	[20:57]
Jere_Jones	I think I get it now. Maybe. Back to work for me. :)	[20:57]
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nospinzy	you think people would invest in webproperties from flippa	[21:09]
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kakobrekla	in wha?	[21:11]
nospinzy	anything	[21:11]
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nospinzy	anything that is a good price	[21:11]
nospinzy	and has income	[21:11]
nospinzy	let me find an example	[21:11]
_mjoiii	Does that mean websites?	[21:12]
nospinzy	yes	[21:12]
nospinzy	a fund to buy websites	[21:12]
nospinzy	active websites	[21:12]
nospinzy	https://flippa.com/2978742-pr-3-affiliate-reviews-site-for-as-seen-on-tv-products-2k-month-profit	[21:12]
ozbot	yourenotstupid.com - Website for Sale on Flippa: PR 3 Affiliate Reviews Site for As Seen On TV Produ	[21:12]
nospinzy	like that for example	[21:12]
_mjoiii	Is the idea to bundle profitable sites and sell units?	[21:15]
nospinzy	no the idea is to run the sites	[21:17]
nospinzy	and pay out a dividen	[21:17]
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zoinky	that site brings in 2k a month?	[21:20]
kakobrekla	2k page views [via bots]	[21:21]
kakobrekla	:>	[21:21]
nospinzy	dollars	[21:21]
nospinzy	its an example	[21:22]
nospinzy	i wouldnt invest in that	[21:22]
zoinky	which would you invest in?	[21:23]
_mjoiii	Would be interesting to see portfolio/projections.	[21:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 138 @ 0.002 = 0.276 BTC [-]	[21:25]
ThickAsThieves	so basically flippa is website templates pretending to be businesses	[21:25]
mike_c	it is affiliate websites that have stopped being profitable for their owners.	[21:25]
_mjoiii	Except those that are monetized and apparently profitable.	[21:25]
mike_c	who are now trying to make one last buck off them.	[21:25]
zoinky	pretty much	[21:26]
zoinky	its buying toxic websites	[21:26]
_mjoiii	Wondered about that in the past. If their sales pitch is correct, why are they selling?	[21:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00085206 = 6.9017 BTC [+] {2}	[21:28]
ThickAsThieves	it's a tricky area, as i myself have been in a position before of having profitable things i no longer wanted	[21:29]
ThickAsThieves	sometimes people just wanna move on	[21:29]
ThickAsThieves	or make better money on other things	[21:30]
ThickAsThieves	"Keith, the very first guy Sean's Outpost fed with Bitcoin Died last night"	[21:41]
ThickAsThieves	that's some headline	[21:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 370 @ 0.001161 = 0.4296 BTC [+] {2}	[21:44]
pankkake	conclusion: don't eat Bitcoins	[21:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 544 @ 0.00085209 = 0.4635 BTC [+]	[21:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 98 @ 0.00199 = 0.195 BTC [-]	[21:45]
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ThickAsThieves	"Ulbricht's public defender said Ulbricht would not protest his detention as he awaits his transfer to New York. He retains the right to pursue bail after he arrives in New York."	[21:49]
ThickAsThieves	public defender?	[21:49]
ThickAsThieves	the thot plickens	[21:49]
kleeck	Jeeze man.	[21:50]
kleeck	Crack that wallet and get some representation.	[21:50]
pankkake	if impossible he could probably easily raise funds for his defense. weird	[21:50]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2950 @ 0.0008511 = 2.5107 BTC [-]	[22:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 61 @ 0.010002 = 0.6101 BTC [-]	[22:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 1.0589 BTC [-]	[22:14]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00084995 = 3.2298 BTC [-] {3}	[22:29]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 1.01575714 = 7.1103 BTC [-] {4}	[22:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00085209 = 2.9823 BTC [+] {2}	[22:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.95775 = 3.831 BTC [-] {2}	[22:35]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 16 @ 0.0100021 = 0.16 BTC [+]	[22:47]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 98 @ 0.00207 = 0.2029 BTC [+]	[22:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.951 BTC [-]	[22:53]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 32.48744832 BTC to 6`684 shares, 486048 satoshi per share	[23:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 487 @ 0.0008521 = 0.415 BTC [+]	[23:06]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.92476999 = 9.2477 BTC [-] {6}	[23:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 10 @ 0.01117 = 0.1117 BTC [+]	[23:15]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1004 @ 0.00118994 = 1.1947 BTC [+] {5}	[23:50]
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