Forum logs for 09 Mar 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2015#1046532 << i can see why, x is fucking retarded. [18:08]
assbot Logged on 09-03-2015 03:27:02; decimation: apparently google wants to get rid of x11 totally and replace it with their own graphics layer [18:08]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: there is not a non-retarded alternative today [18:09]
ascii_field or anything remotely close [18:09]
mircea_popescu sure. [18:09]
mircea_popescu but really, steal keyboard stream because "Whatever, it's also under x" ? [18:09]
ascii_field mm no. [18:10]
ascii_field doesn't happen on my box. [18:10]
ascii_field trivial fix [18:10]
mircea_popescu trivial FIX ? [18:10]
mircea_popescu fuck this shit. [18:10]
ascii_field aha [18:10]
ascii_field let's rephrase: it's a wm misbehaviour [18:10]
ascii_field not x11's [18:10]
mircea_popescu "my house doesn't have a hole in the roof - trivial fix" "whatever, i'm not dealing with those imbeciles". [18:10]
mircea_popescu hm. [18:10]
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ascii_field 'ratpoison', 'polite mode' [18:11]
mircea_popescu how is it not x's ? (not sure if 11 specifically0 [18:12]
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ascii_field because x per se doesn't impose the retardation [18:12]
mircea_popescu but it allows it. [18:12]
ascii_field it also allows user to shoot himself in the head [18:13]
ascii_field or give his btc to sc4mz0rz [18:13]
ascii_field or marry a scold [18:13]
mircea_popescu x has no fucking business telling another process on its dealings with a process. [18:13]
mircea_popescu and the fact that this very fundamental principle is not precisely observed makes me not care whether x or chrome wins. they're the same shit. [18:14]
ascii_field if they're both x-using, and both connected to same x server, then yes [18:14]
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ascii_field and yes, it's crufty '80s turd [18:15]
mircea_popescu how about, no. [18:15]
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mircea_popescu http://33.media.tumblr.com/1e898bee9635052cc3d969664951f562/tumblr_mj2ankuq7X1qktnjdo1_400.gif << x at her hiring interview. [18:15]
* ascii_field agrees. so long as the answer isn't 'here have a little rectangle of rdesktop crapolade instead of screen-filling display-agnostic remote gui on your giant vertical lcd' [18:16]
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mircea_popescu x should work like fucking pinentry. [18:18]
mircea_popescu but hey, why confront and resolve the hard problems ? inheritance systems for the user input, explicitly set bvy the user etc ? o noes, gotta be simple [18:18]
mircea_popescu well, that's what chrome does too : simple rather than correct and easy rather than useful. [18:19]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2015#1046656 << lol, the new Tough Derp look is oddly adequate. [18:24]
assbot Logged on 09-03-2015 14:48:15; thestringpuller: https://twitter.com/gavinandresen/status/573953967509630976 < l0l [18:24]
mircea_popescu knocked out retired boxers should look like knocked out retired boxers. [18:24]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2015#1046696 << is it actually vc stuff or just aspie stuff ? (from aspirational rather than asperger's, tho...) [18:26]
assbot Logged on 09-03-2015 17:31:55; mike_c: i don't think that is usg honeypot. just misguided VC chumpatron. [18:26]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2015#1046709 << behold the wonder! [18:28]
assbot Logged on 09-03-2015 17:36:47; mike_c: americans are dumb. [18:28]
mircea_popescu !s hawala [18:28]
assbot 23 results for 'hawala' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hawala [18:28]
mircea_popescu !s hawalah [18:28]
assbot 0 results for 'hawalah' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hawalah [18:28]
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assbot SSL-busting adware: US cyber-plod open fire on Comodo's PrivDog • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1FBxCay ) [18:34]
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mike_c mircea_popescu: inbetween aspirational and funded. i heard about them because they got "best of" at reasonably big tech conference. my curiousity is mostly around the brazen attempt to do money remittance in US without being licensed. [18:42]
mike_c s/inbetween/between/ [18:42]
thestringpuller mike_c: hawala doesn't require money license [18:43]
mike_c mhm. tell the US that. [18:43]
thestringpuller well this is why US hated hawala during "war on terror" beginnings [18:43]
thestringpuller there was a lot of "hawala is bad" propaganda [18:43]
thestringpuller (the US claimed 9/11 was funded with the ultiization of hawala) [18:44]
thestringpuller s/with/through/g [18:45]
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ben_vulpes i will find whoever decided to return 200 from this endpoint and encode the error in xml [18:51]
ben_vulpes by the holy dogfucking jesus i will find them [18:51]
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mircea_popescu mike_c see, the way i've observed this to work is like this : 1) usg makes imbecile law ; 2) society is aghast ; 3) teenaged muppets make bold claim that jives with societal expectation, blatantly in contradiction with usg policy. [19:15]
mircea_popescu then 4a) if society bites the bait, they "change their mind" "learn better" "unfortunately..." "they were just kids" etc, the circle / dwolla /etc playbook [19:16]
mircea_popescu or else 4b) if society doesn't bite the bait, they "street cred" because were going to 4evar totally do it. [19:16]
mircea_popescu seems a decent gameplan. if you're a stanford/harvard business major, or similar scum. [19:17]
mike_c i'd love to be a fly on the wall in the pitch meetings though when the investor says "so how are you not going to jail?" [19:25]
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mike_c because in the game you described, the VCs are getting taken for a ride. which happens of course, but this just seems so obviously illegal. [19:25]
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cazalla today is typically the busiest day for news but it is dead [19:34]
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cazalla Pierre_Rochard, pull the pin on twitter eh? [19:41]
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Pierre_Rochard cazalla: [19:42]
Pierre_Rochard yup [19:42]
Pierre_Rochard and every other social media thingy I had in my password manager [19:42]
Pierre_Rochard have to manually contact customer support at linkedin to get that removed… the lengths they’ll go to keep the serfs on the domaine [19:43]
cazalla well, i will miss your art retweets [19:47]
thestringpuller i blame bitpay [19:48]
thestringpuller jkjk [19:48]
thestringpuller Pierre_Rochard: my dad raves about LinkedIn. [19:48]
thestringpuller when in reality I get tons of spam from it [19:49]
Pierre_Rochard cazalla: ya know, when I started seeing the same art pieces from history of europe’s feed popping up, I knew it was the end [19:49]
Pierre_Rochard thestringpuller: it’s the bezzle-wot. Great because of the wot part, spammy and diminished by the bezzle part [19:51]
thestringpuller super spammy [19:51]
thestringpuller "Hey thestringpuller, would you like to hear about this wonderful development opportunity with a fast growing company you've never heard of?!?!?" [19:51]
thestringpuller i get like at least 4-7 of those a month [19:51]
Pierre_Rochard ^ humble bragger! [19:53]
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thestringpuller it's spam tho! from the sketchiest of recruiters. [20:01]
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mircea_popescu mike_c in all probability the last pitch meeting where the investors asked something sensible was cca 2002. [20:16]
scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2015/03/digital-hawala-for-the-poor/ [20:16]
mircea_popescu anyway, "society" is broad. the vc game is just to flip the ponzi to larger fools. they succeed 55% of the time or so. [20:17]
mircea_popescu otherwise, the pension funds end up hodling anyway, and the fed rescues them, and here we are. [20:17]
saifedean my working theory is that any "entrepreneur" who engages in any form of 'event' about start-ups or entrepreneurship is not an entrepreneur, and has nothing interesting to offer the world. if they did have something interesting, they wouldn't have time for wankery [20:18]
thestringpuller ;;later tell pete_dushenski you're referenced in latest qntra article [20:18]
gribble The operation succeeded. [20:18]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: that sounds like a great video game premise for learning purposes. "Flip the ponzi" [20:19]
mircea_popescu saifedean this is the prevailing view by now imo [20:20]
mircea_popescu anyway, re the "questions asked" : in a total nod to asciilifeform's "merit washing" ideas, by now the point isn't even to have any sort of product, as it hasn't been for decades, noreven any sort of plan. they "invest" in "great teams", nao. "kids will figure it out later". [20:22]
saifedean there is such a giant start-up culture in lebanon these days thanks to Central Bank bezzle, everyone and their dog wants to make a start-up... nobody wants to actually do something, just pontificate on start-ups and entrepreneurship [20:22]
saifedean the central bank here is probably the world's best, the currency has the highest gold cover of any currency in the world, they banned the banks from investing in any securities and compeltely avoided the 2008 meltdown... [20:23]
saifedean but... [20:23]
mircea_popescu what will the kids figure out later ? oh, that - to go no further than latest trilema - jared son of charles got 40mn "investment" from x and y while charles was in jale because campaign donations and other issues related to x and y. [20:23]
mircea_popescu "entrepreneur". [20:23]
mircea_popescu saifedean lebanon sounds more and more like romania - 10 years. [20:24]
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saifedean the socialistards have been pressing for start-up funding and environmental projects, and the CB has obliged with some low-interest loans and funding conferences and start-ups and publicity... what could possibly go wrong [20:24]
mircea_popescu in lebanon ? nothing really, srsly nao. buncha town dwelling wasters get ot be all excited for a summer. [20:25]
mircea_popescu this exact thing was a problem, written down as such, exact words, in 1914. and since forever : central government attracts town loafers, who then derp about. [20:25]
saifedean oh no, there's a lot of ruin to be made in this place, and the socialist scum have been trying in vain for decades... [20:26]
mircea_popescu like what ? [20:26]
mircea_popescu !up HlySht [20:26]
-assbot- You voiced HlySht for 30 minutes. [20:26]
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mircea_popescu !gettrust beautyon [20:26]
assbot beautyon is not registered in WoT. [20:26]
saifedean this is really one of the last civilized places in the world, because it's got the hardest currency in the world... you can see lack of socialist decivilization in everything here... [20:27]
mircea_popescu tell me specifics ? [20:27]
saifedean before civil war in 1975, currency was 91% backed by gold, almost a gold standard [20:27]
mircea_popescu how can it be 91% backed ? [20:28]
saifedean the entire civil war drama was basically communist-funded trash trying to destroy the central bank and currency [20:28]
mircea_popescu !s rhodesia [20:28]
assbot 33 results for 'rhodesia' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rhodesia [20:28]
saifedean the value of the gold in the central bank's reserves at market price was equal to 91% of the value of all the currency [20:28]
danielpbarron thestringpuller, "A screenshot of the Abra app" << should this not be hosted on qntra? [20:28]
mircea_popescu saifedean o.O [20:29]
mircea_popescu that's pretty heavy. [20:29]
mircea_popescu is this factual or declaratory ? [20:29]
saifedean the fact that this place has almost-hard money makes a real difference: there is no bezzle here, there has never been a stock market crash, housing crash, or any kind of business cycle [20:29]
saifedean people don't really have shitty bezzle careers, they have actual productive jobs making useful things... like furniture and food [20:30]
mircea_popescu state of the art spamatron, for the curious : http://dpaste.com/1FPT1XY [20:31]
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mircea_popescu saifedean impressive. [20:31]
mircea_popescu lebanon, eh ? who knew. [20:32]
saifedean it was 91% before the war, then the socialist scum managed to fuck shit up in the war, and destroyed the currency in 1983, it went from 3 Liras/USD to around 2,000Lira/USD [20:32]
saifedean but then when the rubble settled down, the central bank set the currency at 1500 Lira/USD in 1992 and it has not budged since [20:33]
saifedean the reason is that they still have sizeable gold reserves, unlike the rest of the world's troglodyte central bankers chasing returns and playing etrade accounts with their reserves [20:33]
mircea_popescu so if i want to rent a flat in beirut, what'd it run me ? [20:34]
ben_vulpes lebanon?! [20:34]
saifedean for something really nice... $2000-$4000 [20:35]
saifedean and by nice, i mean nicer than pretty much anything you've seen [20:35]
saifedean views on the mediterranean and the snow-covered mountains... 24 hour delivery services to get you anything you could possibly imagine [20:35]
saifedean very safe and secure, friendly and outgoing happy people [20:36]
mircea_popescu yeah, but they have to compete with ohio's 150 a month or w/e it was. [20:36]
saifedean and some of the world's best food, women, and wine... [20:36]
mircea_popescu yeah except if syria falls over it'll flatten it. [20:37]
saifedean im not even lebanese, i went to university here, then lived in london and new york... the move from beirut to these anglo shit-holes was a culture shock, there is no comparison... as soon as i finished my phd and got an offer from a lebanese university, i didnt hesitate move back [20:38]
saifedean yeah, the fear of the country falling over is what keeps it so wonderfully beautiful, as it keeps out all the unwanted visitors :D [20:38]
mircea_popescu lol [20:39]
saifedean it'd be swimming with british stag dos and russian billionaires otherwise [20:39]
punkman maybe good time to invest in sailboat [20:39]
mircea_popescu no but seriously, there's what, half a million muslims refugeed there now ? [20:39]
mircea_popescu suppose that goes to 2mn, or 5. [20:39]
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mircea_popescu o look, most recent political assasination fifteen months ago. [20:39]
saifedean this place went through 15 years of civil war though, everyone has had their fill, and nobody wants a repeat, and people are far, far, more careful than in other places... people hjave just learned to ignore all the drama and live their life... all the "violence" and "insecurity" after all, does not amount to half of a chicago [20:40]
mircea_popescu !up HFSPLUS [20:40]
-assbot- You voiced HFSPLUS for 30 minutes. [20:40]
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HFSPLUS whats up everyone [20:41]
mircea_popescu you. [20:41]
saifedean there's tons of refugees from syria, but they mostly come here and work, there's no welfare state to speak of so immigration is not really a problem [20:41]
mircea_popescu saifedean from where i sit the only sane reason to go to lebanon would be the same as 1k years ago : to start a crusade. [20:41]
mircea_popescu as im not terribly in the mood... [20:41]
mircea_popescu saifedean yes, but they support "ideas", and then soon enough vote, and riot. [20:42]
HFSPLUS !s [20:42]
assbot Need a search term. [20:42]
asciilifeform meowmix is back! [20:42]
HFSPLUS !s meowmix [20:42]
assbot 25 results for 'meowmix' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=meowmix [20:42]
HFSPLUS what did i do? [20:42]
asciilifeform ferphuckssake [20:42]
saifedean i've traveled the world and never seen a place better, the more i travel the more i fall in love with this place... [20:42]
saifedean hard money, dude! [20:42]
mircea_popescu saifedean sounds a lot like very early romanian. what do they speak even, misr ? [20:43]
HFSPLUS ;;seen meowmix [20:43]
HFSPLUS ;;seen meowmix [20:43]
gribble meowmix was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 22 weeks, 6 days, 23 hours, 58 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: !b 50 [20:43]
asciilifeform saifedean: 2-4k/mo is washington price. [20:43]
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punkman saifedean: hard money, dude! << but pegged to the dollar? [20:43]
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saifedean washington is a fucking shit-hole, i wouldn't live in it if you paid me 20k a week instead of rent, there's no city worse on the planet [20:43]
mircea_popescu punkman actually exports are funnay 20% gold 5% jewelry 5% diamonds. total jew country. [20:43]
mircea_popescu sounds like israel's new jersey [20:43]
mircea_popescu saifedean bucharest's easily worse. [20:44]
saifedean pegged to the dollar, but since the dollar is always falling, and the CB's gold reserves aren't, this makes the CB very comfortable [20:44]
mircea_popescu imagine all the stupid of wash dc done louder by stupider people. also in a swamp. [20:44]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'stupider' exists !?! outside of africa, even ? [20:45]
mircea_popescu saifedean what of this 150% gdp in foreign debt ? [20:45]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform oh yes. [20:45]
saifedean but DC is the major league of stupid... the stupidest and scummiest of beirut and bucharest and everywhere else go to play in the majors in DC [20:45]
mircea_popescu and 10bn in remittances. lebanon is absolutely romania cca 1995. [20:45]
HFSPLUS who is meowmix [20:46]
HFSPLUS how can i get rich off of bitcoin [20:46]
asciilifeform !down HFSPLUS [20:46]
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asciilifeform him. [20:46]
saifedean yeah, the debt is enormous, and the CB keeps the government on a tight leash with it... banks are all well-capitalized and keep rolling over the debt for the government... but the government can never go crazy and do 5-year-plans or giant infrastructure projects or whatever [20:46]
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asciilifeform noooooooooooo waaaaaaaaaaaa * HFSPLUS has quit (Quit: Leaving) << mega-l0l [20:47]
* asciilifeform asks, can we get a better class of 'elizas' here plz. [20:47]
mircea_popescu we will once you're done playing with these ones. [20:47]
saifedean i lived in DC for a summer and interacted with the residents... my theory is that DC has collected every single shitty asshole/teacher-pet/snitch/scummy loser from every single high school in the world to go live there... no matter where you were in the world, if you were a terrible piece of shit in high school, you found a way to get to DC by age 30 [20:47]
mircea_popescu saifedean california worked that way previously. [20:48]
mircea_popescu but then they started cutting up the hitchhikers [20:48]
saifedean the lawyers are the best people in DC, and that says a lot [20:48]
asciilifeform saifedean: i actually went to a special school where they manufactured these! [20:48]
mircea_popescu lol [20:49]
mircea_popescu saifedean incidentally, being a snitch is a legal obligaiton for usians now. [20:49]
asciilifeform it was 50y ago too, theoretically [20:49]
asciilifeform like in any other totalitarian pisshole [20:49]
asciilifeform 'failure to report crime, crime' [20:50]
mircea_popescu i dunno... the "i'm not a snitch" thing floats to the point of "what is an american' in my head. [20:50]
asciilifeform distinct from the official letter of the law [20:50]
saifedean i don't really understand how anyone could want to live in the US in this day and age... anybody who chooses to go live there is essentially an other-determined dweeb who cannot think for themselves and just follows what the tv tells them [20:51]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2015#1046741 << such lolz. EMPIRE STRIKES BACK!!1 [20:51]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this was an actual 'news'. today they advertised various machinery, with slower clock than a year ago. [20:52]
asciilifeform no one, so far (afaik) has said anything. [20:52]
mircea_popescu saifedean people generally have an inborn, deeply selected ability to only hear parts. so, through this approach "we pay you 10k in salary on the condition you spend no less than 11k a month" sounds like a good deal. [20:52]
mircea_popescu "hey, that's 5x what i make here!" [20:52]
asciilifeform ^ california, sv, etc. in one paragraph. [20:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform and unlike the nkvd, they didn't even have to twist anyone's arm to keep quiet. [20:52]
saifedean "and hey! When I exercise my god-given right to diabetes... Obamacare will be there for me" [20:53]
asciilifeform i saw the figure and went 'wtf, what is this, some weirdo VLIW cpu with perversely spiffy pipelining?!' then rememberd 'nope, this is a garden-variety 'pentium m' box...' [20:53]
mircea_popescu i wonder if diabethes and gout will become punishable offenses in the us the way all sorts of "psychological" imagined stuff is. [20:54]
mircea_popescu they WERE in soviet russia after all, kulak's diseases. [20:54]
asciilifeform saifedean: except that it's a transparent scam, i, for instance, have the highest grade 'insurance' publicly sold in my locale, and it still offers nothing like the conditions found in civilized world [20:54]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform so is this sheer incompetence, or is china ever so delicately strangling them ? "first, you get them made for free. then, you get them made for ten dolla, but you have to give us the blueprints. then, we only make them for you out of 2nd best items. and then... wait, you're still here ?!" [20:55]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not afaik. looks more like 'shrinkflation' [20:55]
asciilifeform like the canned soups that are more and more water by mass each year [20:55]
mircea_popescu aha. [20:55]
asciilifeform !s shrinkflation [20:55]
assbot 6 results for 'shrinkflation' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=shrinkflation [20:55]
asciilifeform didn't think it would apply to cpu so soon. [20:56]
asciilifeform and that no one would stampede over it [20:56]
asciilifeform ;;google new macbook slower [20:56]
saifedean my brother is in med school and today he reported to me that according to the latest DSM, 25% suffer from psychiatric disorders... won't be long before they get this up to 100% [20:56]
gribble Slow Mac: Why is My Mac Running Slow? | 5 Ways to Fix Your Slow ...: ; New 2014 MacBook Air: Performance benchmarks - Macworld: ; How to eliminate slow Mac problems | Apple Support Communities: (1 more message) [20:56]
mircea_popescu i don't think the average smartphone user is smart enough to know what the cpu does. [20:56]
saifedean Yes We Can! [20:56]
mircea_popescu saifedean you familiar with tlp's blog ? [20:56]
asciilifeform but the traditional '90s obsession over clocks... [20:56]
asciilifeform gone? lol [20:56]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform that was a different generation of kids. that weren't mentally retarded. [20:57]
saifedean i should have said: "25% of americans suffer from..." [20:57]
saifedean oh yes [20:57]
asciilifeform saifedean: as tlp describes, the 'disorders' are a socially-acceptable means to get officially approved to take various psychotropic drugs, for those who go in for this [20:57]
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asciilifeform also, (see also tlp), to get gov. pensions, for politically-favoured ethnics [20:58]
mircea_popescu in the 70s, the occasional girl that went "i prefer older men" was kind of a freak. in the 90s, it was common enough. by now... i don't think any girl with options goes for boys her age. and so... there's your overclocking. [20:58]
asciilifeform what about plato's formula? [20:58]
saifedean if you want to go a little bit beyond TLP, try a man by the name of Jon Rappoport, and don't be intimidated by the cookiness... this guy was onto this stuff decades before TLP... and is far ahead [20:58]
asciilifeform nobody cancelled it [20:58]
asciilifeform girl = 1/2boy + 7 or what was it [20:58]
mircea_popescu lmao [20:58]
mircea_popescu saifedean the way this works is you have ot link it [20:59]
asciilifeform lol, rappoport! directly affiliated with d. icke, iirc? who gave us the lizards ? [21:00]
saifedean https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2013/05/07/the-lying-liars-who-lie-about-psychiatry/ [21:00]
assbot The lying liars who lie about psychiatry « Jon Rappoport's Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/18wrOnH ) [21:00]
asciilifeform http://www.nomorefakenews.com << him ? [21:00]
assbot No More Fake News Jon Rappoport Investigative Reporter ... ( http://bit.ly/18wrOEf ) [21:00]
saifedean dont think he's affiliated with icke or lizard people [21:00]
saifedean he also wrote a mind-blowin book called AIDS, Inc... [21:01]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it ius a kinda common name [21:01]
asciilifeform 'THERE ARE NO DEFINITIVE LABORATORY TESTS FOR ANY SO-CALLED MENTAL DISORDER.' << this is known to anyone with even a vague, passing interest in the subject. [21:01]
mircea_popescu how exactly would such a test go ? [21:02]
mircea_popescu seems impossible by definition [21:02]
asciilifeform sorta like the 'if it works, it's not AI' thing [21:02]
asciilifeform or 'if it prospers none dare call it treason' [21:02]
mircea_popescu right [21:02]
saifedean http://www.amazon.com/AIDS-Inc-Scandal-Jon-Rappoport/dp/0941523039 [21:03]
assbot AIDS Inc.: Scandal of the Century: Jon Rappoport: 9780941523035: Amazon.com: Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1ENjGvP ) [21:03]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2015#1046789 << best russian joke imo [21:03]
assbot Logged on 09-03-2015 19:44:57; ascii_field: 'i counted, read the cards on the wreaths. said things like, 'from wife', 'from son', 'from mother-in-law' - but none said 'from vodka.' nobody died from vodka.' [21:03]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2015#1046044 << quite. [21:06]
assbot Logged on 08-03-2015 18:48:35; asciilifeform: whereas the real issue is, whether google should be permitted to stuff arbitrary strange into mainline kernel on their say-so [21:07]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2015#1046053 << you are seriously not missing out on anything. [21:07]
assbot Logged on 08-03-2015 19:03:30; asciilifeform: the folks who are willing to use 'lynx' for 100% of their www needs already know who they are. [21:07]
mircea_popescu i can accept that SOME PEOPLE actually need their monitor to graphics. so make a gamestation. otherwise, we're fucking literate, we're not women, nothing beats text. ever. [21:08]
mircea_popescu if anyone claims something beats text he means that a) he's stupid and b) given a it's easier for him. fuck that person with old transformer cores. [21:08]
asciilifeform cad is a bitch with raw tty, but otherwise can't not agree [21:09]
mircea_popescu so make a cad station. [21:09]
asciilifeform sorta did. [21:09]
mircea_popescu so then. [21:09]
mircea_popescu you will not behehehelieve the improvements of productivity once you simply do not any longer support the methods of timewasters. [21:10]
mircea_popescu "no audio, no video, if you can't write it so i feel like reading it you never happened." [21:10]
* asciilifeform is presently lulzing at reciprocidad.provincianet.com.ar, where he is buying a ticket to ride argentina. like it were amusement park. [21:10]
mircea_popescu lol [21:10]
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* asciilifeform once took the theory described above by mircea_popescu to its logical conclusion and bought an ibm 'green phosphor' tty. [21:24]
* asciilifeform didn't stick with it long-term, but that's a story for another day [21:25]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: lol, that thing mails plaintext pw [21:26]
asciilifeform the ar entry fee gizmo, that is [21:26]
asciilifeform other u.s. folks take note! [21:26]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes, mod6 ^^^^ [21:26]
ben_vulpes http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.cabochon.com/~stevey/blog-rants/tour-de-babel.html << more linkrot [21:26]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo also ? [21:26]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: what was this [21:27]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: yeah i saw that last year [21:27]
ben_vulpes it actually choked on my passport name [21:27]
ben_vulpes er, number [21:27]
ben_vulpes oh man i changed my name and have a new passport [21:27]
ben_vulpes i have to pay the reciprocity fee again don't i [21:27]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes went to ar last year!? [21:27]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: this is not news. [21:28]
* asciilifeform forgot this somehow [21:28]
ben_vulpes !s steak from:ben_vulpes [21:28]
assbot 0 results for 'steak from:ben_vulpes' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=steak+from%3Aben_vulpes [21:28]
* asciilifeform vaguely recalls [21:28]
ben_vulpes !s steak from:benkay [21:28]
assbot 7 results for 'steak from:benkay' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=steak+from%3Abenkay [21:28]
ben_vulpes somewhere in there [21:28]
asciilifeform ^ that must be why forgot [21:28]
asciilifeform filed under old name in head. [21:28]
asciilifeform benkay -everyone knows- went to ar.. [21:28]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: the link in question is about amazon's use of emacs in their frontline customer support [21:28]
ben_vulpes what, he just did a runner? [21:29]
asciilifeform l0l [21:29]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: at any rate, their online store thing claims it's valid for 10 yrs. [21:29]
ben_vulpes right [21:29]
ben_vulpes but it's filed under the old name. [21:29]
asciilifeform if you can prove same guy [21:29]
ben_vulpes what, do i bring all of my name change paperwork? [21:30]
ben_vulpes old, punched passport? [21:30]
asciilifeform probably ought to [21:30]
ben_vulpes will anyways. [21:30]
ben_vulpes ars is not actually the problem. [21:30]
ben_vulpes it's my own statal agents i've gotta convince the papers are legit. [21:30]
asciilifeform aha, on way back in [21:30]
ben_vulpes no, not even *in* [21:30]
ben_vulpes they actually won't let you on the plane without the paper printed out. [21:30]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I've seen the "amusement park ticket" requirement for Argentina. [21:33]
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asciilifeform '2015-02-18 16:30:53 We are Now Processing Your Order [...snippetysnip...] 2015-02-25 15:16:28 We Have Ordered PCBs for Your Order / 2015-03-09 21:26:08 We Have Received PCBs for Your Order' [21:37]
asciilifeform ferfphuxxsake [21:37]
asciilifeform slowpokes. [21:37]
asciilifeform 'made in usa' and it shows [21:37]
mod6 <+asciilifeform> the ar entry fee gizmo, that is << lol wtf, you have to pay a 'reciprocity fee'? [21:41]
asciilifeform mod6: aha [21:41]
mod6 mp: you run .ar now right? just tell 'em im comin and it's all good. [21:42]
danielpbarron that meowmix character found me on another irc network -- i recognize the hostmask; it appears to be from my area as well [21:42]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: if he's human, he ought to win a 'least distinguishable from perl script' award of some kind. [21:42]
BingoBoingo !b 2 [21:45]
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asciilifeform http://www.migraciones.gov.ar/accesible/indexN.php?identidad_genero << lol!! [21:45]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7jiH6 ) [21:45]
BingoBoingo lol http://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/03/ios-8-2-uses-your-home-screen-as-an-apple-watch-advertisement/ [21:46]
assbot iOS 8.2 uses your home screen as an Apple Watch advertisement | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7joi5 ) [21:46]
mod6 jesus cristo, $160!? [21:47]
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danielpbarron i created a folder to dump all the undeletable apps and hide the whole thing on the last page [21:49]
* asciilifeform lulzz at how iPnohe needs a remote controller now [21:50]
asciilifeform why not make these briefcase-sized again [21:50]
asciilifeform like '80s mobiles [21:51]
asciilifeform if you're expected to speak into the wristwatch [21:51]
danielpbarron oo what about a shoe phone like in those old detective shows [21:51]
asciilifeform hruschevphone [21:51]
danielpbarron http://xkcd.com/1420/ [21:54]
assbot xkcd: Watches ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7kaLX ) [21:54]
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asciilifeform when are folks showing up in buenos aires again? [22:01]
* asciilifeform is about to buy ticket [22:01]
mod6 i wont be there until like 9-10am friday morning. i leave on thursday afternoon. [22:05]
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cazalla danielpbarron: i created a folder to dump all the undeletable apps and hide the whole thing on the last page <<< hah i do this too and the folder is titled useless [22:20]
cazalla but i don't use my phone much at all now since i was relegated back to iphone 4 after smashing the 5, if it wasn't for google maps i'd get rid of it [22:22]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: anything damning we ought to know about 'Aerolineas Argentinas' ? [22:30]
asciilifeform the price alone suggests that it might be their version of 'aeroflot' [22:30]
cazalla http://om.co/2015/03/09/a-statement-about-gigaom/ who's next? [22:31]
asciilifeform site is dead [22:32]
asciilifeform or hm, not [22:32]
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cazalla tldr is that it's shutting down [22:33]
asciilifeform what even was it. [22:33]
asciilifeform hoster? [22:33]
cazalla gigaom was some tech site or other, never really read it tbh, just knew of the name [22:34]
cazalla here is mashable's ver anyway http://mashable.com/2015/03/09/farewell-gigaom-tech-news-powerhouse-shutting-down/ [22:34]
assbot Farewell, GigaOm: Tech news powerhouse shutting down ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ac5R4R ) [22:34]
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* asciilifeform iirc never once heard of it [22:34]
cazalla here is the text from gigaom site if it's not loading for you http://dpaste.com/0BDQPTS.txt [22:35]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ac5Wp6 ) [22:35]
asciilifeform why this death is notable? did they go down 'in style', taking $maxint of chumpmoney into neverneverland with them ? [22:36]
cazalla not that it's notable, just serves as another example of what is to come for similar sites [22:40]
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cazalla as for bezzle.. "22.3 Million in 6 Rounds from 8 Investors " didn't seem to help [22:41]
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asciilifeform ;;calc (22.3*10**6) / (400*10**3) [22:44]
gribble 55.75 [22:44]
asciilifeform cazalla: it would have bought ~55 buses in a major american city. [22:44]
asciilifeform betcha 55 buses would turn a profit. [22:45]
asciilifeform make it a nice round 50, have some left over for petrol & drivers [22:46]
asciilifeform (and bakshish for city hall) [22:46]
decimation asciilifeform: re: passports < did you notice that the us state dept. now issues an 'rf proof' sleeve with all passports? [22:49]
asciilifeform decimation: nope [22:50]
mircea_popescu the ar entry fee gizmo, that is << i don't think you can readily imagine how tech retarded the argentines actually are. [22:50]
asciilifeform decimation: last i saw, you had to spend an extra buck & buy it [22:50]
mircea_popescu picture small siberian village cca 1995. [22:50]
asciilifeform srsly?! [22:50]
asciilifeform l0l! [22:50]
mircea_popescu i have to pay the reciprocity fee again don't i << reciprocisquat all the names! [22:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13998 @ 0.00032155 = 4.5011 BTC [-] [22:51]
decimation http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/english/passports/FAQs.html < " Laser engraving and state-of-the-art security features minimize the possibility of counterfeiting and forgery. The card is issued with a protective sleeve that prevents the card from being read when not in use." [22:51]
assbot Frequently Asked Questions ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ac7zDs ) [22:51]
decimation apparently the state department 'officially admitted' that the passports were insecure and leaked info [22:52]
decimation re: apple watch < my question: did they spend an extra $10 for a temperature compensated crystal oscillator or does it have a cheapass crystal which requires constant correction [22:53]
decimation not that it much matters, given that it will barely work for a day without charging [22:53]
asciilifeform decimation: almost certainly the cheapest crystal (if any! might well have rc oscillator!) - given as the thing only works with iPnohe, which has always-on tcp [22:54]
asciilifeform (and hence ntp) [22:54]
decimation I thought it had its own built-in gps [22:54]
mircea_popescu mp: you run .ar now right? just tell 'em im comin and it's all good. < haha nah. [22:55]
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decimation ah apparently not. that makes it absolutely worthless for any purpose [22:55]
mod6 awe! [22:56]
asciilifeform decimation: it's a remote for iPnohe. mega-snore. other vendors had these ages ago. [22:56]
asciilifeform (for turdroid) [22:56]
decimation yeah. I would be interested in it if it could be used as a heart-rate monitor only [22:56]
decimation but apple isn't in the business of making functionality [22:56]
mircea_popescu mircea_popescu: anything damning we ought to know about 'Aerolineas Argentinas' ? << i think they've notlost a plane yet. [22:56]
mod6 mircea_popescu: is someone coming to pick me up from the aeropuerto tho? [22:56]
asciilifeform mod6 asks good question [22:56]
ben_vulpes 'twas promised! [22:56]
asciilifeform as in, from what day's the room booked, and till what [22:56]
asciilifeform because i'm being offered l337 discountz if come early & go late, etc [22:57]
mircea_popescu hoster? << gigaom was a ms shill back when ballmer was new and ms thought blogs might matter. [22:57]
mircea_popescu mod6 yup [22:57]
mod6 aw sweet. thx! [22:58]
mircea_popescu "Gigaom is winding down and its assets are now controlled by the company’s lenders. It is not how you want the story of a company you founded to end. " << ahaha. this is so fucking convenient. [22:58]
mircea_popescu goes with my "Remember the inept newsweek goon, Leah McGrath Goodman ? The chick with the mortgage she can't pay on her own ? Like that other chick, like each and every other chick in this quagmire of chickdom ? [22:58]
mircea_popescu That's the thing. It looks like it should work, on the surface. If you don't dig too deeply, you may even come to the mistaken belief it worked for others. Meanwhile... Social Studies Do Not Work." [22:58]
decimation so the eu announced they would be printing euros, and in reaction german gov't bonds... rallied? [22:59]
mircea_popescu srsly?! << yes srsly. http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/ba-15-5.jpg [23:00]
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decimation ;;ticker [23:00]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 293.55, Best ask: 293.67, Bid-ask spread: 0.12000, Last trade: 293.55, 24 hour volume: 66303.97185286, 24 hour low: 275.56, 24 hour high: 295.99, 24 hour vwap: None [23:00]
decimation as did bitcoin [23:00]
asciilifeform la finalizacion del soporte [!!!] para windows xp.... [23:01]
asciilifeform ^^^ l0l! [23:01]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you can enjoy your discounts, vipness is accomodating. [23:01]
asciilifeform neato-matic. [23:02]
decimation 'nobody was fired for buying microsoft' [23:02]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform that thing is pretty much THE showcase thing, about 20 feet tall, two blocks from center of town, right by natl theatre [23:02]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_HwDEfDMdFTU/R1NwsoURThI/AAAAAAAADCE/RhHA4Zabjxk/s1600-R/largest-adobe-flash-crash-closeup.gif << times square, nyc. [23:04]
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mircea_popescu maybe they were going for that then [23:04]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2015#1046045 << this is accurate. [23:09]
assbot Logged on 08-03-2015 18:49:19; asciilifeform: a good chunk of the reputation of linus t. is that he's been fairly effective at keeping a lid on this kind of thing, historically [23:09]
mircea_popescu all the derps derping derpage about how linus "iusn [23:09]
mircea_popescu isn't nice"/up to whatever libertarded snuff miss the point by a planetsize. his capital 100% consists of reliably telling "authorities" to go fuck themselves. sorta like me, in his field. [23:10]
mircea_popescu which is why he is a central figure, and a nail off which many hats are hung. the moment he comes loose off of that, he lost it all. [23:10]
mircea_popescu this mentioned mostly to explain why om malik was never worth anything, and the "entrepreneurship" he deludes himself with / defrauded naive investors with pure puff. [23:11]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2015#1046079 << somethimes this approach is notbad.jpg such as for instance http://36.media.tumblr.com/72032cc1ee0dfc7a09dafad2184448b0/tumblr_mzns2gMtxD1r2lceuo5_1280.jpg [23:14]
assbot Logged on 08-03-2015 19:09:12; thestringpuller: punkman: keybase is forcing users to trust in central authority rather than forcing users to learn "their lessons" [23:14]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ENPIb5 ) [23:14]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller who made http://i.imgur.com/t2sfuot.jpg ? [23:14]
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thestringpuller mircea_popescu: we may never know. just thought it was relevant when I saw it on r/bitcoin [23:25]
mircea_popescu pretty great. [23:25]
mircea_popescu the fact that it's one of the lamest "superheroes" (ghost something i dun recall) of one of the lamest "brands" (hanna-barbera, makers of utter age of crap atrocities like scooby doo and the jetsons) only bolsters the point [23:26]
mircea_popescu by like > 9000 [23:26]
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thestringpuller lol mircea_popescu never saw space ghost coast 2 coast [23:27]
thestringpuller Space Ghost had a night show before Colbert did you know... [23:27]
mircea_popescu and obama ate his own feces before pan troglodytes ? [23:28]
mircea_popescu what sort of contest was there. [23:28]
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mircea_popescu !up JustSomeGuy [23:33]
-assbot- You voiced JustSomeGuy for 30 minutes. [23:33]
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JustSomeGuy thnx [23:33]
mircea_popescu sure. [23:34]
cazalla mircea_popescu, do you get tamarillo's over that way? [23:34]
mircea_popescu if they do i never had one [23:37]
danielpbarron spaceghost is the show ATHF spun off from [23:37]
cazalla i read they grow em next door in chile.. quite nice (old guy over the back has a tree) [23:38]
cazalla it's like a tomato and passionfruit combined [23:38]
mircea_popescu http://santa-fe.guia.clarin.com/cementerio-parque-de-la-eternidad-del-grupo-funarg/515224 << funarg problem [23:39]
assbot Cementerio Parque De La Eternidad Del Grupo Funarg en Rosario, sucursal de Salta 3070,Rosario,Santa Fe ... ( http://bit.ly/1AbdKGL ) [23:39]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57426 @ 0.00032569 = 18.7031 BTC [+] {4} [23:40]
asciilifeform http://www.softwarepreservation.org/projects/LISP/MIT/Weizenbaum-FUNARG_Problem_Explained-1968.pdf << yes, that weizenbaum. (of 'eliza.') and pdf because scan of a scan of a xerox of a xerox... [23:41]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2015#1046150 << such nonsense. [23:43]
assbot Logged on 08-03-2015 19:31:23; decimation: http://techcrunch.com/2015/03/08/on-secretly-terrible-engineers/ < mostly rambling but has an interesting point "The difference between finance, management consulting, and engineering is that the first two fields have status hierarchy, and the third one doesn’t." [23:43]
mircea_popescu all fields have hierarchy. good fields like finance, consulting and [good] engineering have competence based hierarchy. bad fields like women in tech, women in blabla have derpage based hierarchy. [23:44]
mircea_popescu props to the idiot women running tech crunch nowadays tho, going to town with their typically idiotic "we claim nonsense as fact, because bois are generally too shy to tell us to stuff it" [23:46]
mircea_popescu "I’ve always been curious what all these people have been up to in the Valley. Where do they go all day? What do they do? If we are so surrounded by lackluster talent, how do we build all of these companies that seem to be taking over the world?" [23:49]
mircea_popescu ooookay. [23:49]
mircea_popescu taking over my penis already. [23:50]
mircea_popescu https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2013/05/07/the-lying-liars-who-lie-about-psychiatry/ << this guy is a) banal and b) nutty. [23:50]
assbot The lying liars who lie about psychiatry « Jon Rappoport's Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1NCtzjU ) [23:50]
mircea_popescu i'd prefer the opposite of b, but in no case am i interested in anything but the opposite of a. [23:51]
asciilifeform so perhaps it was -that- rappoport [23:51]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2015#1047093 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2015#1047096 [23:52]
assbot Logged on 09-03-2015 23:56:03; asciilifeform: lol, rappoport! directly affiliated with d. icke, iirc? who gave us the lizards ? [23:52]
assbot Logged on 09-03-2015 23:56:39; asciilifeform: http://www.nomorefakenews.com << him ? [23:52]
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decimation re: 'what do they do: http://acrossdifficultcountry.blogspot.com/2009/05/far-out-space-nuts.html < related “The Americans have gone to the moon. And the Russians. The Chinese and Indians will go there soon. Africans are the only ones who are stuck here,” Museveni said, addressing a meeting of the Uganda Law Society in Entebbe.“We must also go there and say: ‘What are you people doing up here?’” [23:58]
assbot Across Difficult Country: Far out space nuts ... ( http://bit.ly/1AbhjNb ) [23:58]
ben_vulpes haha [23:59]
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