Forum logs for 09 Jun 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

decimation	as 'standard console'	[00:00]
*	asciilifeform never seen anything but intel graphics in those	[00:00]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157534 << fuse does exactly nothing in such a case. you were thinking of a 'ground-fault-interrupter'	[00:01]
assbot	Logged on 09-06-2015 02:49:54; decimation: I bet the girl in the bathtub would have wished that her charger came with a $0.01 fuse	[00:01]
asciilifeform	(gadget standard in newer bathrooms which senses whether current-in == current-out, and kills circuit if not)	[00:01]
decimation	well, depends on the exact nature of the shock	[00:01]
decimation	was it 5v? or 240v mains?	[00:01]
asciilifeform	btw even these do not always help in the case of 'toaster in bathtub'	[00:01]
asciilifeform	almost certainly mains	[00:02]
asciilifeform	5v doesn't do much in water	[00:02]
decimation	most shit chinese transformers I've come across are direct shorts to neutral	[00:02]
decimation	5v ground short to neutral	[00:02]
trinque	"Development work on Elephant been limited since 2009 and support not complete for the latest versions of SBCL and ClozureCL. It hasn't been tested at all with recent Allegro and Lispworks releases." << must be near the end of the most recent lisp cycle	[00:02]
decimation	but yes, a gfi would have helped too. are they not standard in ru?	[00:02]
asciilifeform	decimation: take a guess.	[00:06]
asciilifeform	(they are 'standard' in usa too, but i only touched one with own hands when moved into current house)	[00:06]
decimation	heh yeah	[00:07]
decimation	building codes are a dumbass idea	[00:07]
asciilifeform	americans often piss their pants (or nearly) when travelling abroad to 'orc' world, when they discover what -no- building code looks like	[00:08]
decimation	not because building to standards is dumb, but because it inevitably turns into a racket	[00:08]
asciilifeform	e.g., light switches at whatever height builder felt like placing them	[00:08]
decimation	heh yeah 'concrete box' is sop	[00:08]
asciilifeform	(i have heard of literal pant-pissing when subject could not find light switch in toilet)	[00:08]
decimation	asciilifeform: what I don't get about the 'orc' world is: why not learn to fix shit like that yourself?	[00:09]
decimation	orcs can access wikipedia too	[00:09]
asciilifeform	decimation: on a typical day, do you feel like moving a light switch ?	[00:09]
asciilifeform	one that works perfectly	[00:09]
decimation	heh good point	[00:09]
asciilifeform	or are there 1,001 other things to do.	[00:09]
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asciilifeform	decimation: not like 'humans' will fix their broken-by-design surroundings. visit a few folks in usa and see how many drilled out the idiot 'water saver' thing from their shower head.	[00:11]
asciilifeform	my guess: none	[00:11]
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asciilifeform	ditto the toilet	[00:11]
asciilifeform	(more complicated problem, but most can be transformed into something like a pre-1992 model)	[00:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148732 @ 0.00034091 = 50.7042 BTC [-] {3}	[00:12]
trinque	I tend to be amazed by guys my age that don't own any tools	[00:12]
asciilifeform	trinque: wai wat	[00:12]
trinque	at the amazement or the lack of tools	[00:12]
decimation	asciilifeform: yeah the 'low flow' toilets are bullshit	[00:13]
asciilifeform	for non-u.s. folks: picture a toilet that won't flush -anything solid- in less than 3-4 shots	[00:13]
asciilifeform	(if lucky)	[00:13]
decimation	but isn't the flow limited by ceramic plumbing?	[00:14]
asciilifeform	decimation: in the worst cases, yes	[00:14]
asciilifeform	but more typically, it is 'set in software'	[00:14]
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asciilifeform	that is, by the position of the siphon	[00:14]
decimation	yeah, makes sense	[00:14]
trinque	yeah mine's got that adjuster on the arm you can diddle a bit	[00:14]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157500 << gotta love the idiots. as if 'git' had no existence outside of 'github'	[00:16]
assbot	Logged on 09-06-2015 02:13:36; danielpbarron: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUADXETCIAEokzE.png << fox news explains github	[00:16]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157521 << how many did she shoot with own rifle ?	[00:17]
assbot	Logged on 09-06-2015 02:25:31; mircea_popescu: oh and also : susan (who died like a decade ago) was into "population control"	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	women aren't held to.	[00:17]
asciilifeform	fine. how many she ordered shot ?	[00:17]
*	mircea_popescu wasn't there, doesn't know.	[00:17]
decimation	heh so warren has a harem?	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	but the idea that random derps are getting 5mn from wb because susan'd have wanted it...	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	mkay.	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	decimation the 70s were 45 years ago.	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	anwyay, off i go. laters all!	[00:19]
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mircea_popescu	there existed an "official" one, MMN80CPU and a number of unofficial clones made in small runs and mostly clandestinely. (most of ex-soviet bloc economy in the early 90s consisted of "anyone who is clever enough to use this nobody's fixed capital - welcome to do so for the cost of the consumables")	[09:25]
mircea_popescu	iirc the yugos had even more , but i don't recall specifics	[09:25]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform ^	[09:26]
mircea_popescu	http://www.cpushack.com/gallery-1/mmn/mmn80cpu-2591/ << confirmed for correct visual.	[09:27]
assbot	MMN80CPU 2591 \| The CPU Shack Museum ... ( http://bit.ly/1dZVxcf )	[09:27]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 147700 @ 0.00035899 = 53.0228 BTC [-]	[09:48]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157652 << good choice, gold's a govt scam anyway	[10:02]
assbot	Logged on 09-06-2015 03:34:02; asciilifeform: intel can build a machine for transforming lead into gold, i still won't buy it.	[10:02]
mircea_popescu	amusing how transparent the usg efforts of turning bitcoin into gold are, by the way. "oh, we don't want to kill bitcoin, honest, we just want to make it so we're the only ones that can safely hold it. you know... like gold..."	[10:03]
mircea_popescu	the population of the world barn stood for it once, "monopoly on violence" and all that bull, why shouldn't it work again ???	[10:03]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157660 << fnargl problem. the soviet politbureau was secure. the usg "feminists" are not.	[10:05]
assbot	Logged on 09-06-2015 03:36:59; asciilifeform: it is interesting to contemplate how many of the traditional nato stereotypes of soviet industry were not only false, but apply to nato wholly and not at all to sov	[10:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116000 @ 0.00035814 = 41.5442 BTC [-] {2}	[10:06]
mircea_popescu	$ curl https://www.blockstream.com/2015/06/08/714/	[10:07]
mircea_popescu	curl: (35) Unknown SSL protocol error in connection to www.blockstream.com:443	[10:07]
assbot	Announcing Sidechain Elements: Open source code and developer sidechains for advancing Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBQoUT )	[10:07]
mircea_popescu	this bodes well for them.	[10:07]
mircea_popescu	but anyway, For additional background on Blockstream’s founding values, read “Blockstream: A Champion of Bitcoin’s Core Values.” ?! "press@blockstream.com" ?!	[10:08]
mircea_popescu	dudes, lay off seriously.	[10:08]
mircea_popescu	everyone's a perianne boring now ?	[10:08]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157762 <<< mmyeah.	[10:10]
assbot	Logged on 09-06-2015 11:31:45; funkenstein_: looks to me like pure theatre	[10:10]
mircea_popescu	i will also observe that s.mg launches much awaited bitcoin's mmorpg, usg.agitprop is silent ; "blockstream" launches "much awaited" (by whom ?) nothing at all, the wsj seems compelled to write it up within the hour.	[10:11]
mircea_popescu	ahh how your blood will flow, old whore.	[10:11]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/eurlorean-crafting-the-pickaxe-illumination/#selection-99.53-99.69 << how does that look to you ? :D	[10:15]
assbot	Eurlorean Crafting - The Pickaxe Illumination on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBR8JI )	[10:15]
davout	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157448 <<< no sane orm would do that	[10:18]
assbot	Logged on 09-06-2015 01:55:55; trinque: most ORMs would load the whole damn row into an "object" whatever that is, load all the objects into a list, then iterate over that duplicated set of data and barf out the aggregate	[10:18]
mircea_popescu	im pretty sure i have seen this	[10:19]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157789 << some serious magic!	[10:20]
assbot	Logged on 09-06-2015 13:11:13; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/eurlorean-crafting-the-pickaxe-illumination/#selection-99.53-99.69 << how does that look to you ? :D	[10:20]
mircea_popescu	hehehe	[10:20]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157765 << that's a z80! not a cdp1802.	[10:20]
assbot	Logged on 09-06-2015 12:21:50; mircea_popescu: there existed an "official" one, MMN80CPU and a number of unofficial clones made in small runs and mostly clandestinely. (most of ex-soviet bloc economy in the early 90s consisted of "anyone who is clever enough to use this nobody's fixed capital - welcome to do so for the cost of the consumables")	[10:20]
mircea_popescu	and in the breakfast cereal today, http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_maz4dlgoVF1r3iafjo1_500.gif	[10:20]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1FGHajR )	[10:20]
asciilifeform	-everybody- had a z80.	[10:20]
asciilifeform	i bet zimbabwe had one.	[10:20]
mircea_popescu	oh oh 1802	[10:20]
mircea_popescu	yes, they did, romanian friendship :D	[10:21]
mircea_popescu	ceausescu dude was nuts about africa.	[10:21]
asciilifeform	and cn	[10:21]
asciilifeform	phun phakt: my parents still have chinese towels father bought in ro in '80s	[10:22]
mircea_popescu	lol	[10:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143800 @ 0.00036461 = 52.4309 BTC [+] {2}	[10:23]
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asciilifeform	in other nyooz, http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F3345E99D51E56537F74CE146536E40351169B4683A79EE61CC1A5042861E630	[10:23]
assbot	Welcome \| Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1FGHA9M )	[10:23]
asciilifeform	(where the hell is that ticker?)	[10:23]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you know, i dun think romania actually ever made that.	[10:24]
asciilifeform	1802?	[10:24]
asciilifeform	i only know of a yugo version	[10:24]
asciilifeform	(and three or four american)	[10:24]
mircea_popescu	yeah memory doth not bring up anything.	[10:25]
mircea_popescu	"Karen Bender" is not a bad name by the way	[10:25]
asciilifeform	'i am bender, please insert girder' (tm) (r) ('futurama')	[10:26]
mircea_popescu	lol	[10:26]
asciilifeform	https://github.com/asciilifeform/CyEmu/tree/master/emu << my ancient and very bad 1802	[10:26]
assbot	CyEmu/emu at master · asciilifeform/CyEmu · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1FGHU8y )	[10:26]
asciilifeform	thing was famous for, among other things, 'sex' instruction	[10:27]
BingoBoingo	OMG a self replicating processor?	[10:28]
asciilifeform	l0l	[10:28]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo no it was morel ike http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb7fz1QLnr1rtxn3oo1_400.gif	[10:28]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1JBSGmX )	[10:28]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo i think would like this chip	[10:28]
asciilifeform	phun phakt: you can still buy a toy computer with it: http://www.retrotechnology.com/memship/memship.html	[10:29]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1JBSHap )	[10:29]
asciilifeform	yes, with togglers.	[10:29]
asciilifeform	http://www.retrotechnology.com/memship/mema_2.jpg	[10:29]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1JBSKTw )	[10:29]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform but seriously, "efficiency" aside, i have nfi how one'd program for a processor that allows random switching in and out of the process counter / memory counter etc.	[10:29]
mircea_popescu	imagine a 1802 valgrind	[10:29]
asciilifeform	you do it... with your hands	[10:30]
mircea_popescu	yeah, shiva must be this tall to pass.	[10:30]
asciilifeform	afaik there was never a compiler for it (you could trivially port sdcc etc. but... why)	[10:30]
asciilifeform	shivas only, yes.	[10:30]
mircea_popescu	mel1802	[10:30]
BingoBoingo	I am interested nao. How long until we get a foundry so we can make them fast?	[10:30]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo the reason they're 100 bucks a pop is ~ that nobody wants em	[10:31]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: buy a bag of 5,000 FETs. that there's yer phoundry.	[10:31]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: actually there are plenty of folks who want. but they go to 'ebay' or 1,001 other places where they're a buck or so	[10:31]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[10:31]
asciilifeform	sorta like 'pogo'	[10:32]
asciilifeform	in that if you were to wish for a crate of 10,000 in one pop, there would be supply problems.	[10:32]
mircea_popescu	but with less baseline demand	[10:32]
BingoBoingo	Can a bag of FETs make one that's run bitcoind fast?	[10:33]
asciilifeform	thing lasts virtually forever. on account of the chemistry of the process, it laughed at power supply noise that would nuke any other cpu	[10:34]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: fast enough to keep up with blocks? possibly	[10:35]
BingoBoingo	Interesting.	[10:35]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: you'd have to bake something which can address >64k though	[10:35]
BingoBoingo	Run bitcoind is the new definition of fast	[10:35]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo it IS pretty much the baseline to distinguish computer from toy.	[10:36]
mircea_popescu	"if it can't sync it can't really be used seriously" makes a whole lotta sense.	[10:36]
asciilifeform	me, i just want something that'd sign a tx, while using no iron made after i was born	[10:36]
mircea_popescu	do you also want something that's warm and slippery while using no cells made after you were born ?	[10:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 205887 @ 0.00035606 = 73.3081 BTC [-] {3}	[10:37]
asciilifeform	got one of these already	[10:37]
mircea_popescu	cells only last ~7 years you know.	[10:38]
asciilifeform	sure.	[10:38]
asciilifeform	speaking very loosely.	[10:38]
mircea_popescu	if you're speaking that loosely...	[10:38]
mircea_popescu	what are you even saying ?	[10:38]
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nubbins`	hi	[10:39]
nubbins`	so i finally got my printer straightened out.	[10:39]
asciilifeform	it was bent ?	[10:40]
BingoBoingo	!b 2	[10:40]
assbot	Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/15HYF6W.txt )	[10:40]
nubbins`	heh. figuratively, yes	[10:40]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` you know i left you a ding in the logs while back, you ever got it ?	[10:40]
mircea_popescu	;;tells	[10:40]
gribble	Error: "tells" is not a valid command.	[10:40]
nubbins`	ah yes the booky-wook	[10:40]
nubbins`	is this a serial we're talking about?	[10:40]
asciilifeform	'Good luck with that buckeroo. Looking forward to your complete rewrite of the Broadcom NetXtreme II 10/100/Gigabit firmware, by the way. There are about 25 versions of this product, and they have 4-6 MIPS 64-bit cpus running different firmwares on them. Total size, around 260K. It's like a bunch of independent operating systems running on propriety hardware!' << this is endemic and getting worse by the minute	[10:41]
mircea_popescu	i was thinking ima publish episodes on trilema an' then the whole thing	[10:41]
jurov	nubbins` did not get it cuz he reads irc out of the printer	[10:41]
nubbins`	ah, an anthology as it were	[10:41]
nubbins`	jurov STFU	[10:41]
nubbins`	go ahead and try to delete a line from my log	[10:41]
nubbins`	you'll need scissors and tape	[10:41]
mircea_popescu	is your log also only made out of paper that was there before you were born ?	[10:41]
BingoBoingo	Or a zippo	[10:41]
jurov	fire will do	[10:41]
BingoBoingo	Or humidity and time	[10:42]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu i order so much paper that the UPS guy is starting to not like me	[10:42]
mircea_popescu	yeah, because that's the monkey logic, "shit, this guy makes it so that i have a job!!1"	[10:42]
nubbins`	anyway. soaked the printhead in ammonia overnight. reassembled everything... it says all 6 cartridges are missing.	[10:42]
mircea_popescu	im so fucking sick of proles.	[10:42]
nubbins`	try this a couple more times.	[10:42]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: i like to pipe logs to thermal printer. (think 'cash register'). astonishingly fire-resistant, but does fade with time	[10:42]
nubbins`	turns out i was popping the fuckin ribbon out of the thing while inserting.	[10:43]
nubbins`	asciilifeform this is still a major use of dot matrix printers	[10:43]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: That is a serious problem with thermal. Twas a pain lighting the losing tickets friday night.	[10:43]
nubbins`	wait now, your thermal paper is fire-resistant?	[10:43]
nubbins`	o.O	[10:43]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: un minimo respeto por el trabajador! (TM) (R)	[10:43]
mircea_popescu	fire retarded more like it	[10:44]
nubbins`	^	[10:44]
nubbins`	funny thing is, i figured it was a lost cause	[10:44]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you're giving me spots on the spleen.	[10:44]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: aha. very annoying when burning otp	[10:44]
nubbins`	so i bought a replacement printer 30 minutes before i fixed the thing	[10:44]
asciilifeform	(what, not everyone prints one time pads on thermal paper ?)	[10:44]
nubbins`	then shrugged and decided not to cancel the order	[10:44]
nubbins`	because HEY	[10:44]
BingoBoingo	http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/to-land-syngenta-monsanto-offers-to-change-name-incorporate-in/article_da79bf37-0ccd-5dcd-aeb7-074e1e71fef1.html	[10:44]
mircea_popescu	which is good because it won't work anyway.	[10:44]
nubbins`	why run two printers when you can run three?	[10:44]
assbot	To land Syngenta, Monsanto offers to change name, incorporate in U.K. : Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBUo7T )	[10:44]
nubbins`	heh	[10:44]
nubbins`	mp actually these epsons are workhorses	[10:45]
nubbins`	10/10 would/did buy again	[10:45]
asciilifeform	'instead of printer, package contained bobcat. a++, would buy again' (tm)	[10:45]
nubbins`	haha	[10:45]
mircea_popescu	"her name was sheila"	[10:45]
mircea_popescu	"she was from odessa"	[10:46]
nubbins`	"but you can call her bob"	[10:46]
nubbins`	"she'll do things to your knob"	[10:46]
asciilifeform	https://xkcd.com/325	[10:46]
assbot	xkcd: A-Minus-Minus ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBUBb0 )	[10:46]
asciilifeform	^ a little different from what i remembered	[10:46]
nubbins`	so were the 80s	[10:47]
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nubbins`	also worth noting that a replacement print head was 50% the cost of a new printer	[10:47]
nubbins`	protip: if you can't service your printer yourself, buy a new one when it breaks	[10:48]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: was this that same printer where you ran a hose into the ink tank instead of swapping out cartridges ?	[10:48]
nubbins`	yes sir.	[10:48]
nubbins`	https://www.cobraink.com/CIS/CIS%20kits/1430%20kit/CIS%20Kit%201430.htm	[10:48]
assbot	.:: Cobra Ink Systems::. This is where the term CIS began ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBUQ5U )	[10:48]
nubbins`	^ the old man who runs this company is a wizard	[10:48]
nubbins`	incredibly boring support videos but he knows the machines inside & out	[10:49]
*	asciilifeform used to do something quite like this with laser printer. it being, drill hole in cartridge, funnel, toner tanks from old xerox in office park dumpsters	[10:49]
asciilifeform	sorta worked	[10:49]
nubbins`	nod	[10:49]
nubbins`	i pay $25usd for 17oz of ink	[10:49]
asciilifeform	but eventually learned 1) toner comes in various granularities 2) is a real bitch to clean up, on account of 3) goes straight through a vacuum cleaner	[10:50]
mircea_popescu	the toner granularities thing is a fine example of biology in business.	[10:50]
mircea_popescu	the granules themselves are more or less engineered to clog competing heads.	[10:51]
asciilifeform	heads?!	[10:51]
asciilifeform	'toner' in laser printer is pulverized plastic	[10:51]
asciilifeform	it is picked up by a rubber roller and deposited on selenium drum electrostatically	[10:51]
nubbins`	^	[10:52]
nubbins`	inkjets have heads	[10:52]
nubbins`	and you should print with your printer at least once a week to keep them from drying out	[10:52]
asciilifeform	now, if 'wrong' granule size, or melting point, life of printer owner does become 'interesting'	[10:52]
mircea_popescu	whatever you call them	[10:53]
mircea_popescu	how do you call the "part which does the printing" in a printer ?	[10:53]
*	asciilifeform does not like liquid printers	[10:53]
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nubbins`	mircea_popescu depends on the type of printer. in an inkjet it's a printhead	[10:53]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the printing per se worked. but sometimes the plastic would come right off the page when you fondled it.	[10:53]
nubbins`	a laser printer is closer to a lithograph than anything else	[10:53]
nubbins`	https://www.dropbox.com/s/sux12zfhww2dyun/TEST-PAGE.svg?dl=0	[10:54]
assbot	Dropbox - TEST-PAGE.svg ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBVu3l )	[10:54]
nubbins`	^ for a 6-tank printer like mine	[10:54]
nubbins`	asciilifeform my cost per page is prolly lower than yours	[10:54]
nubbins`	altho TBF	[10:55]
nubbins`	inkjets are way, waaaaaaaaaaay slower than laser	[10:55]
nubbins`	and given that i doubt you do much fine art printing...	[10:55]
*	asciilifeform like a fool, picked up a surplus colour laser printer a couplea weeks ago. twentybux or so	[10:56]
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asciilifeform	it works, but leads to decadence 'hmm, this code ought to have syntax colouring, let's print that'	[10:56]
nubbins`	heh.	[10:56]
nubbins`	"toner low in following cartridges: C (cyan). Y (yellow). M (magenta)."	[10:56]
asciilifeform	and eventually will have to be thrown out and bought again - who wants to buy four colours of toner	[10:56]
nubbins`	i buy off-brand toner	[10:57]
nubbins`	123inkcartridges.ca	[10:57]
*	nubbins` also runs two Brother laser printers: one b/w, one colour	[10:57]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: in the colour laser, the expensive proprietary crud is the 'transfer belt'	[10:57]
asciilifeform	for which no chinese version, afaik, exists	[10:57]
nubbins`	is that separate from the drum unit?	[10:57]
asciilifeform	aha	[10:57]
*	nubbins` has replaced 1 drum	[10:57]
asciilifeform	a kind of conveyor, page-width, made from unobtainium	[10:57]
mircea_popescu	it's just plastic!	[10:58]
nubbins`	oh, wait, right	[10:58]
nubbins`	mine's white.	[10:58]
mircea_popescu	:D	[10:58]
nubbins`	runs under all the drums?	[10:58]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: aha	[10:58]
nubbins`	those have a life?!	[10:58]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: turns out, they do.	[10:58]
nubbins`	wow	[10:58]
mircea_popescu	insert girder.	[10:58]
asciilifeform	hence how colour laser printer ends up sold 'per pound' as surplus scrap	[10:59]
*	nubbins` has published novels on his laser printers, no belt replacement	[10:59]
nubbins`	(yet)	[10:59]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: these are found only in colour laser	[10:59]
nubbins`	ah. i've only run maybe 10-15 books through the colour one	[10:59]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: does yours have the evil usg yellow dots ?	[10:59]
nubbins`	i slayed an $80 Brother monochrone laser	[10:59]
nubbins`	asciilifeform no idea / who cares	[11:00]
asciilifeform	http://seeingyellow.com	[11:00]
assbot	Seeing Yellow ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBWbto )	[11:00]
nubbins`	heard of em	[11:00]
nubbins`	but i'd use the epson for copying currency anyway	[11:00]
nubbins`	(hypothetically)	[11:00]
asciilifeform	interesting mainly on account of 'usg gets to slip code blobs into consumer appliances' thing	[11:00]
nubbins`	SWIM hypothetically did this in their youth for a while	[11:00]
asciilifeform	l0l	[11:01]
asciilifeform	medieval counterfeiters, famously, got to drink molten lead (or sometimes, for showmanship, gold...) when caught. modern ones will one day be drowned in buckets of inkjet ?	[11:01]
nubbins`	imagine passing off some of this strange to a cashier, and while you're waiting for your food, guy behind you in line receives some as change	[11:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116300 @ 0.00035828 = 41.668 BTC [+] {2}	[11:01]
nubbins`	asciilifeform too expensive!	[11:01]
nubbins`	$5-8k/gallon	[11:02]
nubbins`	altho i guess they'd buy the bulk stuff huh.	[11:02]
asciilifeform	speaking of counterfeiters, i once read a fascinating bio paper where folks determined the actual cause of death of 'drink molten lead'	[11:03]
asciilifeform	by testing with cattle carcass	[11:03]
asciilifeform	turned out, it's almost certainly steam inhalation	[11:03]
asciilifeform	(from own flesh boiling)	[11:03]
asciilifeform	there were some good photos of resulting 'castings' also.	[11:04]
asciilifeform	i often wonder if any period 'castings' of this kind have been turned up by archaeologists.	[11:04]
kakobrekla	urlpls	[11:04]
*	asciilifeform unfortunately lacking the link. if anyone turns it up, plz post.	[11:05]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157680 << wai wat. which prisoners	[11:06]
assbot	Logged on 09-06-2015 03:49:45; decimation: the massive antibody response from usg against these escaped prisoners is amusing	[11:06]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157773 << hey, they did retrofit the price control mechanism (buterin's waterfall) from gold	[11:07]
assbot	Logged on 09-06-2015 12:59:40; mircea_popescu: amusing how transparent the usg efforts of turning bitcoin into gold are, by the way. "oh, we don't want to kill bitcoin, honest, we just want to make it so we're the only ones that can safely hold it. you know... like gold..."	[11:07]
mircea_popescu	except that only works on idiots.	[11:08]
mircea_popescu	the "you can't hold it" thing works on everyone. huge difference.	[11:08]
mircea_popescu	which is why the incensed bitching.	[11:08]
asciilifeform	the waterfall also works on everyone. but is expensive to maintain, yes	[11:08]
mircea_popescu	no baby, iot does NOPT work on everyone.	[11:09]
mircea_popescu	soros' breaking of the bank of england should be the only example you might ever need.	[11:10]
mircea_popescu	i LOVE!!11 the fact that they're giving me free money this way	[11:10]
mircea_popescu	and i don't care how much of it comes out of the skins of idiots.	[11:10]
mircea_popescu	actually, i hope most of it does, and i hope it comes out of their corneas and their daughter's labia.	[11:10]
asciilifeform	well, on one hand, mircea_popescu gets to pick up cheap coin. but on other, can't buy spare reactor for dirigible for 1 btc	[11:11]
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mircea_popescu	there ~IS~ a reason they switched from trying that to trying gavincoin last year.	[11:11]
asciilifeform	in as far as i can surmise, the 'dept. of accumulating btc for the lizard throne' and 'dept. of breaking btc because wtf 111' co-exist	[11:12]
mircea_popescu	now wonder along with me : WHY is it that shithead gavin is SO VERY FIRMLY CONVINCED this must be done "before the end of the year" ? hm ?	[11:12]
mircea_popescu	who and where told them "we're getting wiped, at the most last out another three, maaaaybe six months" ?	[11:13]
asciilifeform	the thing which boggles my mind is, why not yet	[11:13]
mircea_popescu	because reasons.	[11:13]
asciilifeform	what, precisely, keeps the schmuck from twiddling the constant -now-	[11:13]
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mircea_popescu	always reasons. the fact that nothing's instantaneous in the physical world is the chief reason there may even be life in the first place.	[11:13]
mircea_popescu	think about a world where interaction were undelayed.	[11:13]
asciilifeform	what, the filipinos have to grunt out precisely 1GB of forum commentz ?	[11:13]
asciilifeform	'time is for keeping all things from happening at once' (tm) (r)	[11:14]
mircea_popescu	what is it that makes the speed of chemical reaction be the speed of chemical reaction ?	[11:14]
mircea_popescu	what, the electrons have to spin 1billion times ?	[11:14]
asciilifeform	l0l	[11:15]
asciilifeform	(all things have inertial mass, is the proximate cause)	[11:15]
mircea_popescu	not even.	[11:15]
mircea_popescu	inertial mass is, much like the "centrifugal force", a matter of observer observing	[11:15]
asciilifeform	btw i fully expect to see the classical bitcoin net under organized crap flood in near future.	[11:17]
mircea_popescu	as in... last week ?	[11:17]
mircea_popescu	doh.	[11:17]
asciilifeform	(with gavincoin pushes as 'elixir' naturally)	[11:17]
mircea_popescu	kinda why the scoring nodes are important	[11:17]
asciilifeform	why do you suppose i took precious time to run the orphans experiment	[11:17]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[11:17]
nubbins`	how many times have i heard "there are only 6000 nodes"	[11:18]
nubbins`	people are gonna be really surprised some day	[11:18]
mircea_popescu	and the thing that keeps schmuck is, the thing that keeps all schmucks. fear.	[11:18]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: do you recall my experiment where we estimated how many living nodes ?	[11:18]
nubbins`	the experiment but not the results	[11:18]
asciilifeform	results were depressing	[11:19]
nubbins`	<6k	[11:19]
nubbins`	?	[11:19]
asciilifeform	<60	[11:19]
nubbins`	:o	[11:20]
nubbins`	how'd bitnodes find so many?	[11:20]
asciilifeform	by counting turdation crud as 'node' ?	[11:20]
mircea_popescu	this of course is in the logs	[11:20]
asciilifeform	it is on therealbitcoin ml	[11:20]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` bitnodes is in the business of finding what it wants to find.	[11:20]
asciilifeform	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000046.html	[11:21]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1FOz73n )	[11:21]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-02-2015#1004253 <	[11:21]
asciilifeform	and i think we had more on this in log, yes	[11:21]
assbot	Logged on 03-02-2015 16:17:03; mircea_popescu: and just 60 with 99.9% uptime.	[11:21]
asciilifeform	^	[11:21]
nubbins`	right yeah	[11:22]
asciilifeform	https://github.com/basil00/PseudoNode << obligatory. also in log	[11:22]
assbot	basil00/PseudoNode · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOzmeO )	[11:22]
nubbins`	i remember being terrified at the time	[11:22]
mircea_popescu	and then you don't remember it going away.	[11:22]
*	nubbins` mumbles something about getting pogos running	[11:23]
mircea_popescu	why did it go away and why don't you remember it ?	[11:23]
mircea_popescu	human physiology, the stuff the memory hole effect's made of.	[11:23]
nubbins`	prolly a combination of poor memory and drug use	[11:23]
mircea_popescu	more like, the brain's not made for thinking anymore than bitnodes' is made to count nodes.	[11:23]
mircea_popescu	they're both made to make you feel good.	[11:23]
asciilifeform	incidentally, i assume everyone remembers the usg-sponsored outfit publicly parading their net of sybils (based on 'pseudonode' or something entirely like it. student can write equivalent in an evening)	[11:23]
mircea_popescu	(the incidence of depression among idiots being for this reason the most amusing thing of all! seriously, YOU'RE depressed ? you don't even have enough of a fucking clue to be sad.)	[11:24]
nubbins`	did anyone ever muck about w/ a buildroot toolchain after?	[11:24]
nubbins`	or was i the only one barking up that tree	[11:24]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1158085 << mega-l0l! i think mine was made to feel like shit	[11:24]
assbot	Logged on 09-06-2015 14:19:57; mircea_popescu: they're both made to make you feel good.	[11:24]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu fwiw smart people do depression way better than idiots.	[11:24]
asciilifeform	so i sorta assumed it was for that.	[11:24]
mircea_popescu	obviously.	[11:24]
mircea_popescu	they actually have a right to it.	[11:24]
mircea_popescu	rather than pretending depression under false pretenses much like "ununderstood" adolescents pretend to be gay.	[11:25]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: i have buildroot working to my satisfaction. esp. after davout fixed the bug in mke2fs	[11:25]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: but now we need a fully uclibc-ized bitcoind	[11:25]
nubbins`	that's where i was stuck.	[11:25]
davout	asciilifeform: mazeltov	[11:25]
nubbins`	got buildroot built to my satisfaction, stalled up on actuall compiling bitcoind dependencies	[11:25]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you know, in all that story a release is required.	[11:25]
mircea_popescu	do we yet have something that people can put on pogo and run ?	[11:26]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: the next necessary step is the complete excision of dns from bitcoind	[11:26]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu i've had a statically built bitcoind for months now	[11:26]
nubbins`	i just can't re-create the build ;/	[11:26]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` exactly my point.	[11:26]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: once this is done, it will be theoretically possible to build uclibc-ized bitcoind	[11:26]
asciilifeform	and roll out buildroot+bitcoind buildatron	[11:26]
mircea_popescu	whichd be sweet.	[11:27]
nubbins`	actually, compiling boost w/ the buildroot toolchain is what had me stuck	[11:27]
asciilifeform	i have a months-old patch on the ml, which got lost among the nuts and bolts, that nukes dns seeds	[11:27]
mircea_popescu	pingin' ben_vulpes along with erryone else.	[11:27]
asciilifeform	but this leaves the idiot 'whatismyip' thing	[11:27]
asciilifeform	and a few other invocations	[11:27]
asciilifeform	these - need to go	[11:27]
nubbins`	i recall the discussion on that	[11:27]
nubbins`	i think we reached an impasse as to what was the proper way to find one's own ip and then other nodes	[11:28]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: there is a fallback in there - irc	[11:28]
nubbins`	right, yeah	[11:28]
nubbins`	imagine	[11:28]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: if we snip out the 'whatismyip' thing, that becomes the one and only turtle on which the elephants stand	[11:28]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` not exactly, config files.	[11:28]
nubbins`	fuck, right, yeah.	[11:29]
asciilifeform	and bitcoind will have to be given either a) own external ip, in config or b) ip of irc net to connect to	[11:29]
mircea_popescu	what sort of remembering is this!	[11:29]
nubbins`	text file sitting in the root dir	[11:29]
*	nubbins` gestures to the drugs	[11:29]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform that is the runner's problem.	[11:29]
mircea_popescu	and it is a correct solution.	[11:29]
mircea_popescu	the approach here is to breach enemy's reliability,	[11:29]
mircea_popescu	nothing more.	[11:29]
asciilifeform	this is probably when i confess that i have this sitting on my disk already	[11:29]
asciilifeform	needs to be cleaned up, tested, posted.	[11:29]
nubbins`	woo	[11:29]
asciilifeform	perhaps - this week's the time.	[11:30]
nubbins`	oh wow, i missed out on the eulora thing	[11:30]
*	asciilifeform actually considered buying a box on which eulora is playable	[11:30]
mircea_popescu	myeah	[11:30]
*	nubbins` does not "game"	[11:30]
mircea_popescu	why not ?	[11:31]
nubbins`	lack of interest	[11:31]
nubbins`	<--filthy casual	[11:31]
nubbins`	i'll kick your ass at mario kart 8 tho	[11:31]
mircea_popescu	i dun think you comprehend how much ass eulora kicks and will kick in the future.	[11:31]
*	asciilifeform bbl	[11:31]
mircea_popescu	but i'll tell you this much : im sick and tired of having to switch games.	[11:32]
mircea_popescu	so im going to make this one work and play it forever.	[11:32]
nubbins`	i've got a vague idea. why else would i take a 25btc stock warrant? ;p	[11:32]
mircea_popescu	lol	[11:32]
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nubbins`	valid answers include "that time you used it to earn 1btc on bitbet"	[11:33]
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mircea_popescu	haha what was that ?	[11:33]
mircea_popescu	anyway, you missed out a 1337 satoshi/day permabag by not coming to sunday's event.	[11:33]
mircea_popescu	but not to despair - another one this sunday.	[11:34]
nubbins`	https://bitbet.us/bet/791/s-mg-above-2x-par-on-october-1st-2014/	[11:34]
assbot	BitBet - S.MG above 2x par on October 1st, 2014 :: 1.18 B (8%) on Yes, 14.07 B (92%) on No \| closed 8 months 1 week ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOBkfm )	[11:34]
nubbins`	oh, fun	[11:34]
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BingoBoingo	Oh, other people catching on to the gawker model http://www.reaxxion.com/9508/gawker-writers-unionize-in-response-to-gamergates-bloody-nose	[11:35]
assbot	Gawker Writers Unionize In Response To #GamerGate’s Bloody Nose ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOBzH8 )	[11:35]
mircea_popescu	lol	[11:35]
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nubbins`	woops	[11:40]
nubbins`	protip: listen when your computer says you're at 5% battery	[11:40]
mircea_popescu	because it usually lies	[11:40]
mircea_popescu	and it's 0.3%	[11:40]
nubbins`	next thing ya know a fan spins up and BAM	[11:40]
nubbins`	but anyway. maybe i'll get a chance to compile eulora on osx by sunday	[11:40]
nubbins`	BingoBoingo lel @ gawker and all affiliated sites in general	[11:43]
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nubbins`	from jezebel, for example: "The Katy Perry-Taylor Swift feud is undoubtedly the feud of our century"	[11:46]
nubbins`	undoubtedly.	[11:46]
nubbins`	there can be no doubt that in our century, this feud is number one	[11:47]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[11:47]
mircea_popescu	who are these two incidentally ?	[11:47]
nubbins`	who cares	[11:47]
nubbins`	pop stars	[11:47]
nubbins`	http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--ruTyZPcP--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/1288837417214035347.jpg	[11:47]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1FODFXC )	[11:47]
nubbins`	perry is on the left with the epic troll face	[11:48]
mircea_popescu	http://www.celebjihad.com/celeb-jihad/taylor-swift-showing-off-flexibility-new-nude-photo ?	[11:48]
assbot	Taylor Swift Showing Off Her Flexibility In New Nude Photo ... ( http://bit.ly/1FODI5J )	[11:48]
mircea_popescu	in other news, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/century-feud.jpg	[11:54]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1FOEIqG )	[11:54]
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mircea_popescu	!gettrust heysteve	[12:07]
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ben_vulpes	but anyway. maybe i'll get a chance to compile eulora on osx by sunday << if you figure out how lmk, i failed to do so miserably	[12:08]
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punkman	new ups lasted a whole hour, impressed	[12:37]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[12:37]
punkman	I shut down the monitors and went for a walk after 10-15min, so it was mostly just idle computar	[12:39]
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pete_dushenski	qntsideration incoming !	[13:02]
pete_dushenski	;;later tell BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/00W44M1.txt	[13:03]
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pete_dushenski	;;later tell cazalla http://dpaste.com/0VY2ECF.txt	[13:05]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[13:05]
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pete_dushenski	"Sex-Kitten.Net has been around nearly a decade, in one form or another. It was begun by me, Gracie Passette, as a place for women, by women, about women ~ not only to discuss sex, but certainly not avoiding it."	[13:06]
pete_dushenski	some spamsite via a contravex commenter.	[13:06]
pete_dushenski	"but certainly not avoiding the subject of sex even though no one said we were and even though that's the point of my derpy little spamblog !"	[13:08]
pete_dushenski	http://imgur.com/a/SKPmk << amazing the dedication of these kidz.	[13:10]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[13:10]
assbot	Huge crowd F1 Grand Prix Bitcoin booth - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1BWxP5N )	[13:10]
pete_dushenski	they just won't give up !	[13:10]
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pete_dushenski	i was in montreal for the gp last year and they were doing the exact same shtick	[13:11]
pete_dushenski	i would've bet a buck they'd have packed up and given up on their "komoonity centre" thing	[13:11]
pete_dushenski	guess it still has legs.	[13:11]
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pete_dushenski	whaddya know.	[13:12]
pete_dushenski	"Reigning world champion Hamilton finished 2.2 seconds clear of Rosberg at the end of 70 relatively-uneventful laps around Montreal's Circuit Gilles Villeneuve" << missed this over the weekend, i guess.	[13:14]
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pete_dushenski	last year's race was comparatively showy : massive crash on last lap, 1st win for non-mercedes car as red bull's ricciardo took the chequered flag	[13:15]
pete_dushenski	this year i really can't be bothered to watch f1	[13:16]
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pete_dushenski	it's almost entirely lost its appeal	[13:16]
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ben_vulpes	pingin' ben_vulpes along with erryone else. << getting gentoo boxen for uclibc and cross-compilation's knocked mod6 and i on our asses	[13:26]
ben_vulpes	well, me for certain.	[13:26]
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ben_vulpes	!up ascii_field	[13:27]
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ben_vulpes	went to get a garbagebox from freegeek.org yesterday - "tuesday through saturday"	[13:28]
ascii_field	wats that	[13:28]
ben_vulpes	local sommolier	[13:29]
ascii_field	bought anything ?	[13:29]
ben_vulpes	shit-melier	[13:29]
ben_vulpes	trinque reported two thinkpads i wanted to acquire	[13:29]
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ben_vulpes	might be able to acquire a tower or something with an i5 to play eulora	[13:32]
*	ben_vulpes is rebuilding eulora from scratch. again.	[13:32]
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ben_vulpes	unrelated: on the quakers, consensus and 'activism' in america: http://berkeleyjournal.org/2015/05/the-theology-of-consensus/	[13:34]
assbot	The Theology of Consensus \| Berkeley Journal of Sociology ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZrZcf )	[13:34]
ascii_field	ben_vulpes: http://i.imgur.com/p7YVzlU.jpg	[13:35]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1KZs7IJ )	[13:35]
ascii_field	^ re: uranium mine	[13:36]
ascii_field	and yes, those are imperial 2.54mm headers soldered to metric 2mm dip	[13:37]
ben_vulpes	"The process favored those with the most time, as meetings tended to drag out for hours" "Some called it “feminist process,” for it seemed to embody feminist ideals of participation, inclusion, and egalitarianism. " << some derps sit around and derp while other people are making decisions and setting the wheels in motion. is it any wonder that the kochs always win and occupy always loses?	[13:37]
ascii_field	ben_vulpes: did you perchance ever go to 'occupy' ?	[13:37]
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ascii_field	they would hold their circlejerk meetings and literally pause 'waiting for a female voice'	[13:38]
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danielpbarron	i saw it in NYC on one of my field trips to see the marathon	[13:38]
ben_vulpes	neat pickaxe, ascii_field	[13:38]
danielpbarron	saw their human megaphone a.k.a. cultish chanting	[13:39]
ascii_field	'mic check'	[13:39]
danielpbarron	yes that	[13:39]
ben_vulpes	ascii_field: did indeed!	[13:39]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes the choice as to whether to sit by the pool and look pretty / sit by the oak desk and look stern was always open to everyone.	[13:39]
mircea_popescu	tis what it is.	[13:39]
ben_vulpes	was particularly amused that the one part of the park that worked - eg infrastructure team - partook of no such nonsense. had leadership that delegated.	[13:40]
ben_vulpes	evaporated quickly, though. nobody likes working for ungrateful derps - not even commie engineers.	[13:40]
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mircea_popescu	soo... i just got an email from Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)	[13:42]
ben_vulpes	;;later tell pete_dushenski if your kids need mavis beacon, something's gone horribly wrong	[13:43]
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ascii_field	mircea_popescu: usg-themed spam is sop for years now	[13:43]
ascii_field	but usually it's tax-flavoured	[13:43]
mircea_popescu	ikr ?	[13:43]
pete_dushenski	ben_vulpes: lol i don't disagree !	[13:43]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/fbi.png	[13:43]
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ascii_field	mircea_popescu: my guess it that it is mostly targeted at idiot expats. actual u.s. inmates know well that usg has not invented email yet.	[13:44]
mircea_popescu	heh	[13:44]
ben_vulpes	pete_dushenski: let's start a school	[13:44]
pete_dushenski	i'm in.	[13:44]
pete_dushenski	1. teachers can physically discipline students	[13:45]
pete_dushenski	2. students will learn to type on physical keyboards	[13:45]
pete_dushenski	3. no touchscreens allowed on the premises	[13:45]
mircea_popescu	not swearing won't get you to heaven pete_dushenski	[13:45]
ascii_field	pete_dushenski: realize that this is not unlike the 'everyone will learn to write' thing from back in the day	[13:45]
pete_dushenski	4. sexual education is to be taught in praxis, not just theory	[13:45]
ben_vulpes	teachers'll have to order parents to do so, as the thing of necessity'll have to run over teh wotnet	[13:45]
mircea_popescu	now that's an idea.	[13:46]
pete_dushenski	i'm not done...	[13:46]
pete_dushenski	5. students will learn to think, then learn the alphabet, then learn to read	[13:46]
ben_vulpes	i also suspect that the initial stable of teachers will actually be the parents. nobody else is going to give a shit and la serenissima runs on deficits anyways.	[13:47]
mircea_popescu	"students will learn to fly then grow the wings most adequate to their preferred flight style"	[13:47]
ascii_field	^^^^	[13:48]
mircea_popescu	"which will forthwith change as a result"	[13:48]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes more importantly : why would you as a kid take a beating from someone you're not a in a sexual relationship with	[13:48]
pete_dushenski	6. those not academically inclined will be pruned from academic studies at age 13 to pursue technical professions	[13:48]
mircea_popescu	romans had forbidden slaves (ie, teachers, more broadly, bureaucrats) beating their kids as a cornerstone of civility.	[13:48]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski what if they become inclined at 19 ?	[13:49]
jurov	how is this determined at 13?	[13:49]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: then self-teach ? go back to school ?	[13:49]
pete_dushenski	jurov: tests.	[13:49]
mircea_popescu	what if they go back to school with a chip on their shoulder	[13:49]
mircea_popescu	and set your entire world ablaze ?	[13:49]
ben_vulpes	not a bad outcome.	[13:49]
mircea_popescu	the focus of this process should not be satisfaction of the designer	[13:50]
mircea_popescu	but moreover avoidance of the situation where you piss off the rightly powerful.	[13:50]
jurov	there are tests for that?	[13:50]
mircea_popescu	shit on the powerless, that's what they're there for.	[13:50]
pete_dushenski	jurov: why not ?	[13:50]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: how is "rightly" determined ?	[13:51]
mircea_popescu	why not is not a permissible question in this context.	[13:51]
mircea_popescu	rightly is determined by that they put your world ablaze.	[13:51]
jurov	pete_dushenski: because human mind?	[13:51]
ascii_field	pete_dushenski: visit jp, ru, cn, or - hell - us for that matter, to see how the 'tests' thing works out	[13:51]
ascii_field	in practice.	[13:52]
trinque	the right kids will want to learn	[13:52]
mircea_popescu	the concept of performance tests is not unlike the concept of postcard tourism.	[13:52]
trinque	I tend to think you have to beat that out of the intelligent if it's absent	[13:52]
mircea_popescu	"i've visited all the places my friends sent me cards from"	[13:52]
pete_dushenski	tests can be interviews, written exams, theatre performances...	[13:52]
trinque	and the wrong ones shouldn't be in the school	[13:52]
mircea_popescu	the only half decent approximation of a test would be, "either you go to school where each day for a year contains a beating, or else we kill you in six years".	[13:53]
ascii_field	pete_dushenski: try to grasp that 'perform on schedule' selects for certain kinds of human, not necessarily the ones you like.	[13:53]
mircea_popescu	kids can opt whether to die young and leave a beautiful corpse much before any serious effort was spent on them	[13:53]
pete_dushenski	ascii_field: i'm perfectly aware. i wasn't the cram-exam type myself !	[13:54]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: kids can opt this for themselves ? not too young ?	[13:54]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: you're approximately describing 19th c. ru military academy. except there you get beatings + death in six years	[13:54]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski apparently they're not too young to live and breathe.	[13:55]
pete_dushenski	neither is 1-day-old	[13:55]
mircea_popescu	quite.	[13:55]
mircea_popescu	the notion that there's insulation from choice...	[13:55]
mircea_popescu	some kids decide to grow spina bifida, how are you gonna help them improve their choices ?	[13:55]
pete_dushenski	with tests !	[13:56]
mircea_popescu	o i know, put folic acid in everyone' flour	[13:56]
mircea_popescu	and tests	[13:56]
mircea_popescu	yes yes.	[13:56]
ascii_field	it boggles my mind to see folks arguing for -more- perform-on-schedule-like-dancing-bear in child-herding	[13:56]
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mircea_popescu	ascii_field the problem of child-herding, so far unresolved, is that women care too much and men don't understand wtf is in the box.	[13:56]
ben_vulpes	eh give him a break - the canuks get all their ideas from their southern protector	[13:56]
pete_dushenski	ben_vulpes: lol not true ! i read books and things too.	[13:57]
ascii_field	we already know the kind of people 'star pupils' grow up to be	[13:57]
mircea_popescu	so all that can conceivably be done is protection and tests.	[13:57]
pete_dushenski	actually reading ascii_field recommended "chinese examination" book atm.	[13:57]
pete_dushenski	ascii_field: concert pianists ?	[13:58]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field re the perform on call thing : it definitely selects for the sort of woman you like.	[13:58]
ascii_field	pete_dushenski: aha. see also mircea_popescu's essay on 'grinding men into spherical ball bearings'	[13:58]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: this is an excellent point.	[13:58]
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pete_dushenski	damn it, just when we're getting rolling, meatspace beckons. later y'all !	[13:59]
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trinque	give 'em things to build that don't suck.	[14:01]
trinque	and force them to interact with people who are intimidatingly accomplished	[14:01]
ben_vulpes	make 'em do math and physics by hand and computer	[14:01]
trinque	and boot everyone that after that still sucks.	[14:01]
ben_vulpes	latin, french	[14:01]
ben_vulpes	read the bible three times, numbers in particular.	[14:02]
ascii_field	ben_vulpes: pretty much everyone i know who's worth talking to became the way he is -in spite of-, rather than with the aid of, school.	[14:02]
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mircea_popescu	ascii_field school certainly aided me.	[14:02]
ascii_field	how ?	[14:03]
ben_vulpes	'tisn't so much school, ascii_field, as a hedge against further retardifying the spawn	[14:03]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: yes, they teach ya green's theorem, etc.	[14:04]
ascii_field	but could also learn this from book	[14:04]
mircea_popescu	by consistently sucking my cock throughout my formative years	[14:04]
ascii_field	l0l	[14:04]
mircea_popescu	and then supplying a ready stable of eager sluts to get the ball started	[14:04]
ascii_field	'the microscope aided me. best hammer.'	[14:04]
mircea_popescu	hey, what can i tell ya.	[14:04]
mircea_popescu	it didn't come with instructions on the box.	[14:04]
ascii_field	http://cryptome.org/2015/06/guccifer-letter-01.htm << mega-lulziez	[14:05]
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mircea_popescu	mateirosca.com << win	[14:06]
ben_vulpes	;;later tell nubbins` didja ever get past the eulora new account screen?	[14:15]
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ascii_field	'(dev-lang/perl-5.20.2:0/5.20::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) conflicts with ...' followed by ten pages of barf	[14:25]
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jurov	yea i remember that, they reorganized it	[14:26]
ascii_field	i'd like to reorganize their insides.	[14:27]
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jurov	https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1010432-start-25-postdays-0-postorder-asc-highlight-.html	[14:28]
assbot	Gentoo Forums :: View topic - Slot conflict dev-lang/perl-5.20.1-r4 and dev-lang/perl-5.18 ... ( http://bit.ly/1BWJ1zl )	[14:28]
jurov	generally, perl-cleaner	[14:28]
ascii_field	tried that	[14:29]
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asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[14:30]
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ascii_field	'Why is Perl so F*ing special that it gets its own utility for un-f*ing it every time I need to update my system? Why does gentoo use perl at all for anything? In my sight its a disgusting useless barnacle of a write only language and this dependency stuff just makes me not want to touch it, ever, if I did suffer from temporary dementia and considered using it in one of my projects. We don't need a python-cleaner or	[14:30]
ascii_field	C++-cleaner.'	[14:30]
ascii_field	(from forum)	[14:30]
mircea_popescu	we don't need a c++ cleanner ?	[14:31]
mircea_popescu	how long have i been asleep ?	[14:31]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: cpp doesn't exist, to a first approximation, on a well-maintained unix box	[14:32]
ascii_field	bitcoind is the thorn in everybody's side in this respect	[14:32]
mircea_popescu	oh ok. so i didn't hallucinate valgrind igperf etcv	[14:33]
mircea_popescu	got worried for a minute there	[14:33]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: the 'cleaner' in question was a util that is meant to clean up the explosion of blood and guts which results in perl upgrading on a gentoo box	[14:33]
ascii_field	and the crud built with previous versions dying en masse	[14:33]
mircea_popescu	unlike the profilers.	[14:34]
ascii_field	not really related except in the sense that the hose in a mortician's workshop is related to surgeon's endoscope	[14:35]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: btw i regard valgrind, igprof, etc. as 'c cleaners' rather than cpp. they only kinda, sorta work on cpp	[14:39]
mircea_popescu	because it never happened that if one "upgrades" suddenly c++ code stops working	[14:39]
ascii_field	cpp is really a 'crime against nature' to the extent that nothing really can process the barf it produces	[14:39]
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ascii_field	mircea_popescu: the directly analogous c/cpp item you were likely thinking of is (on gentoo) 'revdep-rebuild'	[14:42]
jurov	and there is python-updater	[14:46]
jurov	(better named)	[14:46]
jurov	and haskell-updater, too	[14:46]
ascii_field	^ especially lulzy	[14:47]
ben_vulpes	cabal install cabal-install	[14:49]
mod6	heh, i built valgrind on deb6 lastnight as well. didn't work with bitcoind either statically built, or dynamically. might have to give this a try tonight on the gentoo aws instance.	[14:49]
*	ben_vulpes tried haskell once, irreperably borked the install, never touched it again. will never trust its advocates claims re: "bug free cuz static static really static awesome type system ftw"	[14:50]
ben_vulpes	but i suppose that i just don't understand how the (c, unix, haskell, programmering) world actually works	[14:50]
trinque	jurov: I've totally fucked up my python install several times on gentoo, having to re-emerge python-exec, wtf ever that is	[14:51]
trinque	gentoo has this crazy indirection between the various python versions (is I suspect the culprit, don't care enough to delve futher)	[14:51]
jurov	yeah, since you're supposed to have 2 versions plus pypy plus whatnot working alongside something is bound to break	[14:52]
ben_vulpes	just say no to python 3	[14:52]
trinque	PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="python2_7" # ftw	[14:53]
jurov	i'm fine with py3k, if you get acclimatized it's actually easy to write stuff compatible with both	[14:53]
jurov	but i'm software maggot, can eat anything	[14:54]
trinque	heh	[14:56]
trinque	yeah, I suppose you can write against that six module right?	[14:56]
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jurov	agains what?	[14:57]
trinque	jurov: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/six	[14:57]
assbot	six 1.9.0 : Python Package Index ... ( http://bit.ly/1KngqKL )	[14:57]
jurov	oh, that. no, not needed it yet	[14:58]
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shinohai	Meth, hell of a drug: http://np.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/330c0u/bailey_jay_is_le_proof_inside_woops_i_made_a/	[16:45]
assbot	bailey jay is LE (proof inside woops i made a bailey jay blog post) : DarkNetMarkets ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6F8Yw )	[16:45]
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mircea_popescu	danielpbarron i am unsurprised.	[17:05]
mircea_popescu	except i just tried it and it went straight in	[17:06]
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mircea_popescu	http://cryptome.org/2015/06/guccifer-letter-01.htm << fwiw, the style of that production is exactly the "pov derpage" fashionable among the unemployed writers/table waiters of the day, whereas linguistic profile radically unbefitting a 40yo unemployed cab driver in bucharest	[17:11]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1KZvejX )	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	but what do i know.	[17:11]
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mats	http://i.imgur.com/Fvj8erB.png	[17:15]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1F6HnLv )	[17:15]
mats	oops, wrong one https://twitter.com/afreak/status/608321989900648448	[17:15]
mats	DMCA flags on... an iframe.	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	looks like airtel didn't want the news of their fraud public ?	[17:18]
mats	yes	[17:19]
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mats	that letter is difficult to read	[17:22]
mats	so much pretension	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	http://www.mateirosca.com/prose/no-lands-man-or-how-not-to-do-an-election/ << more of the same, if you care.	[17:23]
assbot	No Land’s Man or How Not to Do an Election \| ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnwhsD )	[17:24]
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mircea_popescu	!up goregrind	[17:36]
-assbot-	You voiced goregrind for 30 minutes.	[17:36]
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asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[17:37]
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ascii_field	mats: https://archive.today/DVUie/005600bd57722743501a43c767b6ef8aadc48535.png << saved	[17:37]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1KnxCzw )	[17:38]
ascii_field	http://tech.firstpost.com/news-analysis/more-trouble-for-airtel-injects-javascript-code-to-monitor-data-usage-activist-receives-notice-270111.html << details of the dmca barratry	[17:38]
assbot	More trouble for Airtel: Injects JavaScript code to monitor data usage; activist receives notice - Tech2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnxAaV )	[17:38]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.mateirosca.com/prose/the-medianett-saga-adventures-in-mercenary-churnalism/ << and here's a (very naive) story from the agitprop mines	[17:44]
assbot	The Medianett saga: adventures in mercenary churnalism \| ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnyhRz )	[17:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 150400 @ 0.00037178 = 55.9157 BTC [+]	[17:53]
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*	lobbes is new to this cron job stuff.. surprised to find the -only- way to see errors is to email them to yourself (i.e cannot write to local log)?	[18:08]
lobbes	seems... dumb	[18:08]
trinque	lobbes: logs to syslog	[18:08]
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trinque	I guess depending on the cron jobber; there are quite a few of them	[18:09]
lobbes	hmm that may be it	[18:09]
lobbes	checked syslog, but the error prompted me to install an MTA	[18:09]
lobbes	no specifics on the actual error.	[18:09]
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*	lobbes shrug	[18:09]
trinque	lobbes: could've just been that the thing had output, not necessarily an error	[18:09]
trinque	and then blew up trying to tell ya	[18:10]
fluffypony	lobbes	[18:10]
fluffypony	you can just have a cronjob that does something like	[18:10]
fluffypony	command --flag --flag2 --blah blah@blah 2> /var/log/yourlogfile.log	[18:11]
fluffypony	or whatever	[18:11]
trinque	yup that too	[18:11]
fluffypony	the 2> will pipe both STDOUT and STDERR	[18:11]
lobbes	aha	[18:11]
lobbes	interesting	[18:11]
fluffypony	I normally pipe STDERR to /dev/null because I don't need no steenking errors	[18:11]
fluffypony	and then get very frustrated when shit isn't working and I can't debug it	[18:12]
fluffypony	because logic	[18:12]
lobbes	haha	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	i heard this before	[18:12]
trinque	thought 2 was stderr only	[18:12]
fluffypony	trinque: depends on shell and OS	[18:12]
trinque	ah, k	[18:12]
fluffypony	I think on OS X / FreeBSD you need 2&1>	[18:13]
trinque	that's what I was thinking of, yep	[18:13]
trinque	2>&1 > /your/thing.log	[18:13]
trinque	redirects stderr to stdout, then stdout to the log	[18:13]
lobbes	sweet though, this gives me stuff to work with. thanks everyone	[18:14]
lobbes	I always overlook the power of piping	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	it's so great it's easy to overlook	[18:15]
trinque	I used /dev/tcp magic making that gentoo image for mod6 the other day	[18:15]
trinque	pretty neat	[18:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44007 @ 0.00037118 = 16.3345 BTC [-] {2}	[18:37]
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mircea_popescu	in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9kjkkMxn51rtlyn9o1_500.gif	[19:10]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1QmsKQf )	[19:10]
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shinohai	OMG we have TO PAY FOR NICE THINGS! http://redd.it/39694x	[19:42]
assbot	WTF MultiBit HD? Why I have to pay a fee to you? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1T9YgQa )	[19:42]
ben_vulpes	old story, shinohai	[19:43]
shinohai	It stiil boggles my mind whenever I see it.	[19:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80934 @ 0.0003551 = 28.7397 BTC [-] {2}	[19:51]
mats	https://soundcloud.com/futureclassic/panama-jungle	[19:52]
assbot	Panama - Jungle by future classic \| Free Listening on SoundCloud ... ( http://bit.ly/1T9YQO3 )	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	!up copumpkin	[20:02]
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mats	http://saw.galois.com	[20:11]
assbot	SAW ... ( http://bit.ly/1cKh334 )	[20:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 235794 @ 0.00035178 = 82.9476 BTC [-] {2}	[20:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60706 @ 0.00034472 = 20.9266 BTC [-]	[20:14]
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mats	https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sIYgqrytPK-CFWfqDntraA_Fwi2Ov-YBgMtl5hdrYd4 << 'Escaping VMWare Workstation Through COM1'	[20:24]
assbot	Escaping VMware Workstation through COM1 - Google Docs ... ( http://bit.ly/1JDoibD )	[20:24]
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GcardBTC	I have some amazon giftcard for sale. Accepting crypto. Send me an email and we can work something out.	[20:32]
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asciilifeform	mats: iirc that is one of the lulzfarms that attempts to fuck with bitcoin net for usg	[20:32]
asciilifeform	mats: and 'formally proven' properties of generic c - what a lol	[20:32]
mats	yup	[20:33]
mats	exactly that galois	[20:33]
asciilifeform	i forget if this was public or not	[20:33]
asciilifeform	guess it is now.	[20:33]
asciilifeform	'vprintproxy.exe is launched on the Host by vmware-vmx.exe as whichever user started VMware. vmware-vmx.exe and vprintproxy.exe communicate through named pipes. When writing to COM1 in the Guest, the packets will eventually end up in vprintproxy.exe for processing.' <<<< run moar winblows!! (tm)	[20:35]
asciilifeform	'The program performs unsafe 32-bit arithmetic, leading to an invalid size check prior to a memcpy() operation, leading to a heap overflow.' << can we plz haz shitgnomes playing 'underhanded c contest' prior to employment? these old idiocies are getting - well - old.	[20:35]
asciilifeform	'When extracting a TrueType font from the EMFSPOOL file, TPView.dll will verify the checksum of the font prior to further processing. To do so, it will walk the tables, zero out the padding at the end of a table and checksum the table. In doing so, it will trust the ‘offset’ field of the table record and add it to a pointer to the font buffer. While there is a check to make sure that we don’t go past the end of the font,	[20:36]
asciilifeform	nothing prevents us from referencing and zeroing memory prior to the font, as the 32-bit arithmetic will wrap.' << ditto	[20:36]
asciilifeform	'Also the JPEG2000 parsing is done within a try-catch that catches all exception. This would allow an attacker to bruteforce his/her way to successful exploitation as the vprintproxy.exe would stay alive even through access violations.' << ahahahahaha.	[20:37]
asciilifeform	yeah 'bug' sure.	[20:37]
asciilifeform	'cosmic rays' did this.	[20:37]
scoopbot_revived	Exodus from Wall Street: HSBC lays off 50,000 employees http://qntra.net/2015/06/exodus-from-wall-street-hsbc-lays-off-50000-employees/	[20:37]
asciilifeform	'Identified mitigations. Load your Nagant, place in mouth, pull trigger.'	[20:37]
asciilifeform	^ not in document, but suggested fix.	[20:37]
mats	lol	[20:38]
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jurov	http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/security-it/dangerous-minds-are-maths-teachers-australias-newest-threat-20150608-ghira9	[20:40]
assbot	Dangerous minds: Are maths teachers Australia's newest threat? ... ( http://bit.ly/1JDr3tB )	[20:40]
jurov	"You will be coming to us and we will be working with you," a DECO officer recently explained to academics. "When your ideas aren't necessarily that formed, it may be that we say to you, 'Look, at the moment we don't see any concern, come back to us at a further stage'."	[20:40]
mats	fun fact: You can resolve kernel module addresses on Windows by looking at the session image list, which is linked to from a fixed VA.	[20:40]
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pete_dushenski	how is it that block 360213 was mined before 360212 ?	[20:43]
punkman	timestamps can be wrong	[20:43]
pete_dushenski	ah, just rough approximations then ?	[20:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 165500 @ 0.00034369 = 56.8807 BTC [-]	[20:44]
pete_dushenski	2 minutes seemed like a large gap.	[20:44]
punkman	yeah block number is where it's at	[20:44]
trinque	jurov: totalitarians going for broke eh?	[20:44]
pete_dushenski	punkman makes sense.	[20:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31600 @ 0.00035012 = 11.0638 BTC [+]	[20:45]
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BingoBoingo	OMG we have TO PAY FOR NICE THINGS! << The last sorta decent Multibit happened between 0.5.11 and 0.5.13	[20:58]
shinohai	I don't personally use it, I just love those posts where they bitch about paying for things.	[20:59]
trinque	shinohai: the internet is free comrade.	[21:00]
shinohai	Free sure, but if I tell that to my ISP they likely will disconnect my service. xD	[21:01]
shinohai	There is good free stuff online, I just don't expect it all to be free.	[21:01]
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trinque	nah, none of it should be free	[21:02]
trinque	largest machine on earth if you consider it as such... and people think it should cost nothing	[21:03]
pete_dushenski	trinque so what should the b-a foundation's bitcoind cost to download ?	[21:03]
asciilifeform	trinque: 'should cost something' does not mean 'random derp gets to charge'	[21:04]
trinque	pete_dushenski: it always costs someone something	[21:04]
pete_dushenski	right, and we're talking about the end-user here, are we not ?	[21:05]
trinque	we're talking about the end user's packets	[21:05]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1158532 << i've said it before, and will say it again - au is a usg-owned zoolag where they try out new and bleeding-edge idiocies	[21:05]
assbot	Logged on 09-06-2015 23:36:58; jurov: "You will be coming to us and we will be working with you," a DECO officer recently explained to academics. "When your ideas aren't necessarily that formed, it may be that we say to you, 'Look, at the moment we don't see any concern, come back to us at a further stage'."	[21:05]
pete_dushenski	trinque packets and pockets	[21:06]
trinque	pete_dushenski: ftr the foundation's funded by a tax	[21:07]
trinque	at-will funding doesn't mean free, necessarily	[21:08]
trinque	anyhow, just saying good work costs money	[21:08]
pete_dushenski	agreed. "free" work results in retardopedia.	[21:08]
pete_dushenski	though that's also the result of low barriers to entry	[21:09]
pete_dushenski	which is a different consideration entirely.	[21:09]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158558 << rly? from where i sit, it appears to be funded by folks willing to work for nothing	[21:10]
assbot	Logged on 10-06-2015 00:03:52; trinque: pete_dushenski: ftr the foundation's funded by a tax	[21:10]
*	asciilifeform for instance.	[21:10]
pete_dushenski	asciilifeform you're funded by s.nsa :D	[21:10]
trinque	yep, said it costs "someone something", time in this case	[21:10]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: you sorta have it reversed	[21:11]
shinohai	I am not saying there is anything wrong with free (Debian for example). Just that if you want a different product with extended features, those cost $ to develop/	[21:11]
trinque	though perhaps money in time	[21:11]
trinque	shinohai: I'm saying someone always foots the bill	[21:11]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: s.nsa is, in practice thus far, funded by my lunch money.	[21:11]
trinque	and there is no such thing as something without a cost	[21:11]
*	trinque wishes asciilifeform many cardano sales	[21:11]
*	asciilifeform wishes also.	[21:11]
pete_dushenski	asciilifeform as you've mentioned many a time, but in turn you're given stocks and options of some value	[21:12]
pete_dushenski	it seems that your lack of a meatspace broker is requiring expenses to be out-of-pocket	[21:12]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: it isn't a lack-of-broker problem, but an i-live-on-usg-scrip problem	[21:12]
asciilifeform	if i were to obtain (fell out of airplane, aha) a crate full of benjies, it would do exactly zero for my situation.	[21:13]
asciilifeform	(other than adding to my usg-jailable liabilities)	[21:13]
pete_dushenski	exactly zero ?	[21:13]
asciilifeform	well, epsilon.	[21:13]
asciilifeform	(one can buy petrol with them, that's mostly it)	[21:14]
pete_dushenski	eh, what's wrong with non-zero improvements ?	[21:14]
pete_dushenski	groceries	[21:14]
pete_dushenski	pre-paid visa cards	[21:14]
asciilifeform	sure.	[21:14]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: aha no	[21:14]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: prepaid cards, where i live, require government id	[21:14]
pete_dushenski	lolk mebbe not the visas...	[21:14]
pete_dushenski	though i'm sure pre-paid visas can be purchased on craigslist or the like	[21:15]
pete_dushenski	or through wot	[21:15]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: invitation to be beaten and robbed	[21:15]
shinohai	craigslist kek	[21:15]
asciilifeform	if through wot, invitation to get some other fine fella gassed on my account	[21:15]
pete_dushenski	ok, so you stick with cash and take 'pet' out for lovely restaurant dinner, fill gastank, buy best organic veggies and steaks.	[21:16]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: this is perhaps 1-2% of my costs.	[21:16]
pete_dushenski	easy $1k/mo	[21:16]
pete_dushenski	you spend $100k/mo then ?	[21:16]
asciilifeform	mno	[21:17]
asciilifeform	but i don't eat that much food	[21:17]
asciilifeform	or burn so much fuel.	[21:17]
asciilifeform	to roughly compare, this wouldn't be an airplane, just a pogo stick that lets you jump a few metres.	[21:17]
asciilifeform	at the cost of now having to guard a suitcase of plutonium	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	'cosmic rays' did this. << beats null op heh	[21:18]
pete_dushenski	plutonium = cash ?	[21:18]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: aha	[21:18]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: in your own country a fella just sat down for 3 yrs for having turned up with a bag of benjies.	[21:19]
pete_dushenski	$10k isn't $1 mn +	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	50k hsbc employees worked on wall street ? gimme a break.	[21:19]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu ftr, not my title ! i also proposed including "the city"	[21:20]
*	asciilifeform in a somewhat more sour mood than usual, on account of floppy drive in 486 having caught fire	[21:20]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1158532 << ok that shit's absolutely vile.	[21:21]
assbot	Logged on 09-06-2015 23:36:58; jurov: "You will be coming to us and we will be working with you," a DECO officer recently explained to academics. "When your ideas aren't necessarily that formed, it may be that we say to you, 'Look, at the moment we don't see any concern, come back to us at a further stage'."	[21:21]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu though really, should be "50k fired from europe and americas"	[21:21]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: this is 100% based on usg doctrine circa 1950s and onwards re: research even tangentially related to nukes	[21:21]
asciilifeform	;;google born classified	[21:21]
gribble	Born secret - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Security Classification of Information, volume 2 (Quist), Chapter Three: ; What Does "Born Secret" Mean? (with pictures) - wiseGEEK:	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	fuck them.	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	if anyone asks them anything i'll be sure to send them an email.,	[21:22]
BingoBoingo	* asciilifeform in a somewhat more sour mood than usual, on account of floppy drive in 486 having caught fire << This is tragedy actual floppy drives that haven't been run to shit or decayed on their own are increasingly rare	[21:22]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: the specimen i turned up has clearly seen better days.	[21:22]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: 5v to gnd is a dead short.	[21:22]
asciilifeform	it bothers me that i am at a loss as to how this could even physically happen	[21:23]
asciilifeform	unit will have to be cut open, dissected.	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	i don't see it either.	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	what fire.	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	you had a nitrocellulose disk in there or what	[21:23]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the power harness.	[21:24]
asciilifeform	overtemp from dead short in drive.	[21:24]
asciilifeform	incidentally, the au thing is more interesting than seems on the surface, because came directly out of 'wassenar agreement', a usg imposition on its entire colonial domain	[21:24]
asciilifeform	(including usa proper)	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[21:25]
asciilifeform	it was formally proclaimed that 'security tools' and especially 0days proper are now considered 'arms'	[21:25]
asciilifeform	like pgp in the '90s	[21:25]
BingoBoingo	USia just just starting to derp about itw Wassenar implementation	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	moreover, "this is where you have to break the laws of your country because we don't like breaking ours"	[21:25]
asciilifeform	interestingly, it is not even a treaty in the formal sense	[21:26]
asciilifeform	just an 'agreement'	[21:26]
asciilifeform	which means that legislatures do not get to discuss it as a yes/no	[21:26]
asciilifeform	but 'suck usg cock or else'	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	it is not worth the paper it's printed on.	[21:27]
asciilifeform	nato blok is run much like u.s. folk imagine warsaw pact was ran.	[21:27]
BingoBoingo	"There are no poisons that are specifically designed to kill lizards." >> http://www.ask.com/home-garden/poison-should-used-kill-lizards-ef7334a7b9c23689	[21:27]
assbot	Which poison should be used to kill lizards? \| Ask.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gc1prW )	[21:27]
BingoBoingo	I wonder why?	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	lol	[21:27]
bad_duck	badon bagels7 BananaLotus Belxjander ben_vulpes BigBitz bigtip BingoBoingo bitspill bounce btcdrak	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo now drinking mellower pain thinners :D	[21:28]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Taking the first half of the week off from that.	[21:28]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: afaik no lizard is a serious matter in agriculture. which would be why.	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	in fairness, plants did poison long before we showed up, and way better anyway.	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	we're basically trying to be substitute plants	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	"Defence said the new rules are necessary to stop the wrong technology falling into the hands of states or groups of proliferation concern." << this is bound to collide with bitcoin in the mid term, by the way.	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	states are untineresting, groups however...	[21:30]
asciilifeform	mid-term l0l	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	we're the state slayer. worst group ever.	[21:30]
asciilifeform	how about yesterday.	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	factually not yesterday, but anyway.	[21:31]
asciilifeform	it is also not a secret what they are pushing as 'wrong technology.'	[21:34]
asciilifeform	usg is working on plugging holes in the wintel-to-nsa pipeline.	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[21:35]
BingoBoingo	Hence the intel graphics driver news	[21:37]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: objective there is to herd the remaining linux/bsd diehards onto nvidia/ati	[21:37]
asciilifeform	'want a vga card? run usg blobs. get on your knees, ready to please.'	[21:38]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I thought it was to get people on the fence to return to winblows because they accidentally bought the wrong machine	[21:38]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: the only thing usg likes more than chump running winblows is a chump who thinks he isn't, but is.	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	that's a point.	[21:38]
BingoBoingo	yeah	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	and in between them, systemd.	[21:39]
asciilifeform	use of linux/bsd is a legal nsa 'selector.' this is publicly known by now.	[21:39]
asciilifeform	the proximate goal of wassenar etc. is not to jail academics (though the 'chilling effect' is a bonus for usg) but to herd the legit multinational corps who mine winblows 0days (e.g., 'vupen') and sell on market, into usg banners.	[21:41]
asciilifeform	'do it under our watch or not at all'	[21:41]
mircea_popescu	romanian expression being "pasarea malai viseaza"	[21:42]
asciilifeform	(see old thread, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-04-2015#1091295 etc)	[21:42]
assbot	Logged on 07-04-2015 21:38:53; ascii_field: the qa meat robots determine 'yes it crashes if you feed it an odd number of letters in the address field' etc	[21:42]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: is that something like 'who speaks of what but the lousy will speak of baths' ?	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	"the bird dreams of ground corn"	[21:44]
asciilifeform	('кто о чем а вшивый о бане')	[21:44]
asciilifeform	ah	[21:44]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the full form actually is, "vrabia malai viseaza si lenesul praznic" (and the lazy man, a saint's day feast). sorta reminiscent of your drowned boy.	[21:45]
asciilifeform	aha	[21:46]
asciilifeform	we have several versions of this proverb.	[21:46]
asciilifeform	'и рыбку съесть и на хуй сесть' << '[wishes for] to both eat the fish -and- sit down on the cock'	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	lol	[21:47]
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asciilifeform	(question is always asked, how are these two activities in conflict? one version holds that original was '[to wish for] to both eat the fish -and- suck the cock')	[21:55]
asciilifeform	yet another was that it started life as 'to wish for to eat the fish and -not- sit down on the cock'	[21:56]
asciilifeform	see also http://matpogovorki.jimdo.com/%D0%B8	[21:57]
assbot	И - Крупнейшая коллекция матерных поговорок ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1pHvZ )	[21:57]
asciilifeform	^ large collection of similar proverbs.	[21:57]
asciilifeform	'Ивану за атаку - хуй в сраку. А Маньке за пизду - Красную Звезду.' << related. 'ivan led the attack, got a cock in his back. masha's twat went far, got her a red star.' ( http://ordenrf.ru/upload/nagrady/orden-krasnoy-zvezdy-3-a.jpg )	[21:59]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1f1q3mn )	[22:00]
asciilifeform	everyone who likes proverbs pertaining to buggery - straight to this mega-resource.	[22:00]
mircea_popescu	pretty sure fish = cunt here	[22:12]
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mircea_popescu	in other news, http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GlWh-oQE7aM/UbcBnwxEz2I/AAAAAAAAAVM/cd9d-zEJPXo/s1600/188426_10150106868550178_120612075177_6796052_7699443_n.jpg"	[22:49]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1F73aTl )	[22:49]
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scoopbot_revived	Browder the Bitcoinless http://thewhet.net/2015/browder-the-bitcoinless/	[22:53]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35364 @ 0.00037257 = 13.1756 BTC [+]	[23:01]
mod6	Switched over to gentoo hardened with uclibc on amazon to see if we can get a build of v0.5.3.1-RELEASE, and if so, hopfully get some profiling going here. This is what I'm workin with: http://dpaste.com/0B1CXQ8.txt	[23:05]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1F74ndu )	[23:05]
decimation	asciilifeform: re: which prisoners: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/09/us-usa-new-york-prisoners-idUSKBN0OP1YF20150609	[23:14]
assbot	Convicted killer in New York prison break on third escape attempt	[23:14]
scoopbot_revived	US Government Shuts Down US Government Drug Manufacturing Operation http://qntra.net/2015/06/us-government-shuts-down-us-government-drug-manufacturing-operation/	[23:15]
decimation	it's been all over the news, has attracted half the cops in new york apparently	[23:15]
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scoopbot_revived	Eulorean Crafting - The Pickaxe Illumination http://trilema.com/2015/eulorean-crafting-the-pickaxe-illumination/	[23:22]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00035355 = 7.1417 BTC [-]	[23:39]
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trinque	bahahaha, clicked "in other news link" expecting tits	[23:43]
trinque	got ducklings	[23:43]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39636 @ 0.00037257 = 14.7672 BTC [+]	[23:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 14 @ 0.19990379 = 2.7987 BTC [-]	[23:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23606 @ 0.00037552 = 8.8645 BTC [+]	[23:56]

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