Forum logs for 09 Jun 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
benkay bitcoingirl: do you have enough yet to castrate this whole charade in the mainstream press? [00:00]
benkay and i guess more importantly: do you have the reproductive organs to mount the charge? [00:01]
bitcoingirl it's certainly frustrating, but I'm focusing on more important matters moving forward [00:02]
benkay lol i ain't frustrated, they don't affect me. [00:02]
bitcoingirl mount the charge? [00:02]
benkay for truth and justice etc [00:02]
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jurov such as, kenna being serial scammer? [00:03]
jurov just to name one of them [00:03]
benkay such as foundation soliciting deposits and burning them on trabamborghinis? [00:03]
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benkay !up bitcoingirl [00:04]
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bitcoingirl how is keen is serial scammer - i haven't heard this [00:04]
bitcoingirl Thanks +benkay [00:04]
bitcoingirl kenna* [00:04]
benkay (feel free to omit the +, bitcoingirl, it just indicates that this handle has voice) [00:05]
jurov after the first incarnation of tradehill closed, deposited bitcoins were never seen again [00:06]
bitcoingirl ive spoken with people that got their bitcoins back [00:06]
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benkay you've taken a sample. [00:06]
bitcoingirl he said he couldn't get a bank account... as if it was out of his control [00:06]
bitcoingirl i did not do a proper statistical analysis [00:07]
benkay and i've talked to people who got their money out of BCS&T - what of it? [00:07]
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benkay i've even talked to people who made money on cryptostocks, GLBSE, bitcoinbourse (okay maybe not bourse), but you get the point. [00:08]
benkay and coinbase will even refund your "get fucked" trades if you complain loudly enough on reddit/twitter/bitcointalk [00:08]
bitcoingirl i do - but he is saying that it wasn't his fault tradehill went under bc he couldn't get a bank account [00:09]
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bitcoingirl +benkay, what country are you primarily located in? [00:09]
benkay i wonder how many millions of US were burnt to discover that one cannot do msb + btc in the us. [00:09]
benkay los estados unidos, por ahora. [00:10]
benkay despues, quien sabes. [00:10]
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davout "he said he couldn't get a bank account... as if it was out of his control" <<< actually, it wouldn't really surprise me if this was true [00:10]
benkay nobody's tried the Paymium approach in the states, afaik. [00:11]
davout "i wonder how many millions of US were burnt to discover that one cannot do msb + btc in the us." <<< is there any entity who actually tried to get the license in all states ? [00:11]
benkay Kraken. [00:11]
benkay they also performed a hasty retrograde maneuver iirc. [00:11]
benkay aka Payward. [00:12]
davout payward tried to get msb licensed in lots of states? [00:12]
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benkay when i spoke to ms. choi last she indicated that was the plan. granted, that was forever ago and we've not kept up. [00:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07462951 = 0.7463 BTC [+] {4} [00:13]
benkay the best part about kraken is the header on their header [00:13]
benkay "yo dawg we herd u like web 3.14 so we put some css on your css" [00:13]
kakobrekla davout iirc they started as US only [00:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00085015 = 11.222 BTC [+] [00:14]
kakobrekla cause i remember laughing about it. [00:14]
davout yea, they're lucky fidor took them :-) [00:14]
kakobrekla mhm [00:15]
benkay ;;ticker --market kraken [00:15]
gribble Kraken BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 646.45777, Best ask: 656.43773, Bid-ask spread: 9.97996, Last trade: 646.54153, 24 hour volume: 0.98730776, 24 hour low: 646.001, 24 hour high: 659.8, 24 hour vwap: 655.83189 [00:15]
benkay ;;ticker --market bitcoincentral [00:15]
gribble Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 655.54615, Best ask: 667.14256357, Bid-ask spread: 11.59641, Last trade: 667.14256357, 24 hour volume: 21.25395645, 24 hour low: 654.864, 24 hour high: 670.55345, 24 hour vwap: 661.679544831 [00:15]
pankkake ;;ticker --market bitcoincentral --currency eur [00:15]
gribble Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR ticker | Best bid: 480.5, Best ask: 488.9999, Bid-ask spread: 8.49990, Last trade: 488.9999, 24 hour volume: 21.25395645, 24 hour low: 480.0, 24 hour high: 491.5, 24 hour vwap: 484.995635 [00:15]
davout "24 hour volume: 0.98730776" <<< that can't be kraken's eur volume [00:15]
benkay ;;ticker --market bitcoincentral --currency eur [00:16]
gribble Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR ticker | Best bid: 480.5, Best ask: 488.9999, Bid-ask spread: 8.49990, Last trade: 488.9999, 24 hour volume: 21.25395645, 24 hour low: 480.0, 24 hour high: 491.5, 24 hour vwap: 484.995635 [00:16]
benkay ;;ticker --market kraken --currency eur [00:16]
gribble Kraken BTCEUR ticker | Best bid: 479.65001, Best ask: 480.22868, Bid-ask spread: 0.57867, Last trade: 480.36999, 24 hour volume: 190.24285332, 24 hour low: 478.05478, 24 hour high: 482.5, 24 hour vwap: 480.49926 [00:16]
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benkay davout: ^^ [00:16]
davout ah, the usd one i guess :) [00:16]
pankkake there is to btcusd for bitcoincentral, so gribble invents it. however, there is for kraken, which doesn't see much action [00:16]
pankkake s/to/no/ [00:16]
benkay but, pankkake, they do seem to have some volume on the eur side [00:17]
pankkake yes, the have more than bitcoin-central usually [00:17]
pankkake I've made a bitbet of kraken vs bc volume but it was refused :( [00:17]
benkay what why? [00:17]
davout yup, they're blessed with this situation where they have a financial entity backing them, but lets them do the kyc diligences themselves [00:17]
davout s/but/which/ [00:18]
benkay davout: implying they're skimping? [00:18]
pankkake they're verification was a joke last time I tried. didn't even have to upload documents for first levels [00:18]
davout that's the way i see it, look at their verification tiers, there's no such thing in europe where you can start moving funds without being identified [00:19]
pankkake but you give them your name!! it must be true :) [00:19]
benkay amazing company. [00:19]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [00:19]
benkay pankkake: what was the rejection rationale? [00:20]
davout the next step being, "oh wait, now you have money with us, let's start asking questions to let you move it out" [00:20]
davout bitstamp-style [00:20]
benkay p. typical. is this true of btc accounts as well? [00:21]
davout what do you mean ? [00:22]
benkay i suppose it would have to be, to work with the paymium model. [00:22]
benkay naively, "why do i have to show docs if i'm just showing up with btc and leaving with btc", but i get it. [00:23]
davout ah i see [00:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10413 @ 0.00085073 = 8.8587 BTC [+] {3} [00:23]
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davout i don't know about kraken, but the paymium approach is that we skip the issue entirely, we verify everyone, if people were only depositing and withdrawing btc they could do it anonymously, but we don't really want that kind of users since we make no money being a wallet [00:24]
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pankkake benkay: I don't remember, either no paid wager or bad source (bitcoincharts) [00:25]
benkay learned your lesson on that one? ;) [00:25]
benkay also (and correct me if i'm wrong davout) but if a user ever wants to sell btc via paymium, even if not withdrawing cash, they have to have a french bank account. [00:26]
davout there might business models for wallets, but trying to do everything is not the smartest way [00:26]
davout a EU bank account [00:27]
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jurov benkay nope, i'm using slovak acct [00:27]
benkay ah, any eurozone account? i don't know much about your banking situations. [00:27]
davout yeah [00:28]
davout such hail in paris [00:28]
davout bwhahaha https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t1.0-9/10351172_847904695230543_425532834360726811_n.png [00:29]
pankkake https://anxbtc.com/ wait, what is this? [00:32]
assbot ANXBTC Bitcoin Exchange [00:32]
benkay volume: 535 B [00:33]
benkay riiiiight. [00:33]
pankkake neither bc or kraken publish monthly volume themselves :/ [00:33]
pankkake https://hitbtc.com/ that one too, no idea it even existed [00:33]
assbot The most advanced exchange / hitbtc [00:33]
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davout pankkake: i'm told sometimes the hitbtc orderbook empties all of a sudden, the mm who whas telling me that assumes it's their own bot that sometimes goes offline [00:34]
pankkake http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/ full of lulz [00:35]
assbot Bitcoin Charts / Markets [00:35]
Apocalyptic pankkake, I think I saw Enky point out that hitbtc is faking volume [00:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 52 @ 0.00239616 = 0.1246 BTC [-] {5} [00:35]
davout !up bitcoingirl [00:36]
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BingoBoingo %ticker [00:36]
atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 144 Ask: 270 Last Price: 273 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A [00:36]
BingoBoingo %book [00:36]
atcbot 40k@278 28k@277 2k@270 | 4k@144 50k@143 175k@142 [00:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 194 @ 0.00235001 = 0.4559 BTC [-] [00:36]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13928 @ 0.00085109 = 11.854 BTC [+] [00:43]
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jurov 1up bitcoinhtx [00:52]
jurov !up bitcoinhtx [00:52]
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jurov !up bitcoinhtx [00:53]
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jurov !up frankenmint [00:53]
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jurov !up CoalPowerGorilla [00:53]
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frankenmint thanks [00:53]
frankenmint how do I decrypt the challenge question in dos? [00:54]
CoalPowerGorilla ty [00:54]
frankenmint i have gpg and i could register but I can't figure out the proper usage with the challenge link [00:54]
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jurov frankenmint: dos? [00:55]
frankenmint yes [00:55]
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jurov download the challenge link into a file [00:55]
jurov decrypt that file with gpg [00:56]
frankenmint okay decrypt got it [00:56]
jurov what step makes a problem? [00:56]
frankenmint not knowing that I need to save the link into a file [00:56]
frankenmint why couldnt i simply pass on the link directly to the cli [00:57]
dignork frankenmint: you don't have to, on unix you can run "gpg -d", and paste the message into stdin [00:57]
jurov because gpg does not know how to fetch http links? [00:57]
jurov if there is curl for dos, just do [00:57]
jurov curl | gpg --decrypt [00:57]
benkay #bitcoin-assets, supporting dos since 2014 [00:58]
jurov ;;gettrust assbot frankenmint [00:59]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user frankenmint: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=frankenmint | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=frankenmint | Rated since: Sat Jun 7 08:49:37 2014 [00:59]
fluffypony ;;rated frankenmint [00:59]
gribble You rated user frankenmint on Sat Jun 7 08:49:37 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: OpenRigs customer, and newly appointed /r/bitcoin mod. [00:59]
frankenmint nice [01:00]
jurov ;;rate frankenmint 1 on fluffy's recommendation [01:00]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user frankenmint has been recorded. [01:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.244 = 0.488 BTC [+] [01:00]
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jurov now you can !up with assbot yourself [01:00]
frankenmint thanks coolness [01:00]
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benkay !up bitcoinhtx [01:02]
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benkay bitcoin heat exchanger? [01:02]
fluffypony lol [01:03]
fluffypony so a Bitcoin HVAC technician really [01:03]
jurov where is HVAC used in btc? [01:04]
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jurov boiler rooms, got it [01:05]
fluffypony hah hah [01:05]
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peterl you could use a btc miner to heat your house? [01:06]
thestringpuller fluffypony: [01:06]
fluffypony thestringpuller: [01:07]
jurov peterl: yes [01:07]
jurov !up bitcoingirl [01:08]
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bitcoingirl thanks. i think I'm finished here for now. [01:08]
benkay sweet dreams. give 'em hell. [01:08]
jurov bitcoingirl, mind sharing the conclusion? [01:09]
jurov if any? [01:09]
bitcoingirl conclusion of what? [01:09]
fluffypony https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=529946.msg7201619#msg7201619 [01:09]
assbot Neo & Bee talk (spam free thread) [01:09]
fluffypony "Whats Dannys real name? is it really Daniel Brewster or what? I hv investors who want to buy the business how do i get hold of him?" [01:09]
jurov bitcoingirl whatever you're finished [01:09]
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benkay i'm sure we'll see it in the next 'this week in bitcoin' from what is it - Forbes, bitcoingirl? [01:10]
bitcoingirl i was just trying to get some information on the voorhees case. very interesting subject. [01:10]
bitcoingirl tomorrow morning it'll be up [01:10]
benkay bitcoingirl: have you read the indictments too? [01:10]
benkay or, whatever legal docs the SEC pooped out [01:10]
bitcoingirl parts of them. [01:10]
bitcoingirl this is my conclusion: "In order for the SEC to consider raising bitcoin a securities offering, they would have to consider bitcoin as ‘money,' which they haven't" [01:11]
benkay kinda goes cross-grain to the Shavers case. [01:11]
benkay Trendon Shavers/Pirateat40/Bitcoin Savings and Trust ring a bell, bitcoingirl ? [01:12]
bitcoingirl exactly [01:12]
benkay wait hang on i thought the Shavers case established that they don't care if it's money or not raising funds is raising funds [01:13]
bitcoingirl its just not fair for the sec to charge voorhees with offering securities before offering any guidance [01:13]
benkay "SEC" "fair" << hue [01:13]
bitcoingirl but that's for the courts to decide [01:14]
bitcoingirl the shavers case hasn't gone to trial yet [01:14]
jurov also, there's that interesting difference between GLBSE and MPEx [01:14]
jurov treatment [01:15]
thestringpuller and that jurov is the best broker ever [01:16]
thestringpuller ;;gettrust jurov [01:16]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask jurov!~jurov@mx.coinbr.com. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user jurov: Level 1: 4, Level 2: 13 via 7 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=jurov | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jurov | Rated since: Fri Jan 20 18:16:32 2012 [01:16]
jurov lol, so you got new password finally? [01:16]
jurov what is it? [01:17]
thestringpuller yup. painless, gangsta. [01:17]
thestringpuller it is !(#&!JSKCNWR*@(#&fhjf3hu(*Fhj3of or something [01:17]
Apocalyptic seems legit [01:17]
benkay looks good to me [01:18]
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frankenmint anyone here run bots? [01:23]
jurov !up Swadq [01:23]
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Swadq Thanks jurov [01:23]
jurov frankenmint: yes, mircea_popescu runs hanbot [01:23]
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Swadq I do frankenmint, what's up? [01:23]
jurov !up frankenmint [01:23]
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Swadq Thanks again [01:23]
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frankenmint thanks [01:24]
fluffypony jurov: lol! [01:24]
frankenmint uh okay i was looking at thishttps://github.com/maxme/bitcoin-arbitrage [01:24]
frankenmint and I was going to change out gox for something like coinmkt or cryptsy [01:25]
Swadq What about it? [01:25]
Swadq Right [01:25]
frankenmint is there a recognized rule of thumb for switching a strategy [01:25]
frankenmint like if the market goes sideways then use arbitrage otherwise play swing trades [01:26]
frankenmint because this looks like its one bot that works across several markets I was going to spend time to build my own bot from scratch that only uses cryptsy [01:27]
Swadq I'm afraid I don't know, that's not the sort of bot I run :p I hope someone else can help you [01:27]
Mats_cd03 https://soundcloud.com/hillydilly/milky-chance-flashed-junk-mind [01:27]
assbot Milky Chance - Flashed Junk Mind by hillydilly.com on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds [01:27]
frankenmint im just not entirely sure which makes better sense of mytime [01:27]
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jurov 1up akstunt600 [01:31]
jurov !up akstunt600 [01:31]
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jurov 7up [01:31]
thestringpuller ;;gettrust bitcoingirl [01:33]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user bitcoingirl: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=bitcoingirl | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitcoingirl | Rated since: never [01:33]
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benkay Mats_cd03: can you find something > 20 minutes? [01:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07377776 = 0.7378 BTC [-] [01:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7772 @ 0.00085442 = 6.6406 BTC [+] [01:37]
kakobrekla like if the market goes sideways then use arbitrage otherwise play swing trades < yes make it so if the market goes sideways then use arbitrage otherwise play swing trades [01:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 128 @ 0.00085201 = 0.1091 BTC [-] [01:38]
benkay Mats_cd03: good track [01:38]
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kakobrekla frankenmint the answer to your next question is exactly [01:40]
kakobrekla Swadq|Away dont do the away thingy, ktnx [01:40]
Swadq|Away kakobrekla what's preferable? Just being idle for 8 hours? [01:40]
kakobrekla sure [01:40]
jurov or /away [01:41]
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kakobrekla just imagine 200 derps on the chan going |away |sleeping |eating |fucking |cowmilking [01:41]
Swadq Fair enough [01:41]
Swadq At least we'd be a me to keep tabs [01:41]
Swadq Able* [01:41]
kakobrekla anyway nothing wrong with being idle [01:42]
Swadq Fair enough [01:42]
Swadq Goodnight [01:42]
kakobrekla cya [01:42]
Mats_cd03 benkay: http://hypem.com/gap_govball [01:44]
assbot Governors Ball Playable Schedule by Gap [01:44]
davout pankkake: massive hail too? [01:45]
benkay Mats_cd03: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icqddnGuijs [01:45]
assbot Insomnium - Shadows Of The Dying Sun 2014 (FulL Album) - YouTube [01:45]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12272 @ 0.00085201 = 10.4559 BTC [-] [01:45]
pankkake ? [01:46]
davout just getting lots of hail here [01:48]
pankkake (had to look up the word). nothing and it's very hot [01:49]
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pankkake thunderstorm en route [01:51]
pankkake I guess I'll tone down my Parisan pride tomorrow and pack an umbrella [01:52]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07377776 = 0.7378 BTC [-] [01:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 33 @ 0.07377776 = 2.4347 BTC [-] [01:56]
Mats_cd03 benkay: i like it [01:59]
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pankkake hail is here [02:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0200335 = 0.1202 BTC [-] [02:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.244 = 0.488 BTC [+] [02:10]
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mircea_popescu ;;ticker [02:19]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 655.95, Best ask: 658.91, Bid-ask spread: 2.96000, Last trade: 658.62, 24 hour volume: 2687.21042317, 24 hour low: 651.7, 24 hour high: 661.11, 24 hour vwap: 0 [02:19]
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assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [02:22]
davout pankkake: "hail is here" <<< as predicted on -assets [02:23]
pankkake :D [02:23]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0735 = 0.147 BTC [-] [02:28]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla: how is this a pass << you ever dated ? [02:30]
kakobrekla apparently a weird sample [02:32]
dub Today, a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration.that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we're the imagination of ourselves. Here's davout with the weather [02:32]
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davout dub: the guy has a point [02:33]
mircea_popescu !b 2 [02:33]
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mircea_popescu dub is like vexual on naxolone [02:33]
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dub thats bill hicks, suggest to familiarize [02:35]
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dub one of 'muricas only useful products [02:36]
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cazalla isn't alex jones bill hicks? [02:36]
mircea_popescu wait is alex jones a chick ? [02:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0234572 = 0.2346 BTC [-] {3} [02:37]
decimation http://fish2.com/ipmi/river.pdf << problem: c-machines are buggy and crash all the time ... solution: glue another c-machine on top of the c-machine ... problem: hardware vendors have crap security on new c-machine ... and you can't examine the firmware [02:38]
mircea_popescu http://www.bbc.co.uk/strictlycomedancing/2011/images/dancers/alex_jones624x351.jpg [02:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00084877 = 11.034 BTC [-] [02:38]
BingoBoingo http://oglaf.com/trump/ [02:38]
assbot trump [02:38]
mircea_popescu pankkake can penguirker also paste new oglafs ? [02:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 76 @ 0.02322812 = 1.7653 BTC [-] {4} [02:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.00085069 = 11.8671 BTC [+] {2} [02:41]
pankkake pretty much any irc bot with rss feed support could, but I planned to write something like that. anyway, for now: no [02:42]
mircea_popescu i guess BingoBoingo is stuck doing it by hand [02:42]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Of course I am. [02:42]
mircea_popescu ehehe [02:43]
decimation I have a suggestion for content aggregation - use NNTP (usenet) [02:43]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell bitcoingirl yes. [02:43]
gribble The operation succeeded. [02:43]
BingoBoingo Also Coindesk has reached new levels of Herpidity http://www.coindesk.com/digital-currencies-popular-technology-companies/ [02:43]
assbot If Digital Currencies Were Popular Technology Companies... [02:43]
mircea_popescu bitcoingirl:idk how to find it << kakobrekla how hard it'd be to add full log search ? google is a bitchy little piece of shit that's not indexing half the days. [02:44]
mircea_popescu maybe limit to 12 searches/ip/day or something ? [02:44]
cazalla clearly i've been looking at the wrong alex jones [02:45]
kakobrekla it depends how well its made [02:45]
kakobrekla look at google and they still dont have shit together [02:45]
mircea_popescu yeah [02:46]
mircea_popescu but i mean, just run grep and report the results on a page [02:46]
mircea_popescu or wait, is it php ? does php even have bindings to run bash ? [02:46]
thestringpuller yes [02:46]
davout "does php even have bindings to run bash ?" <<< wut [02:46]
kakobrekla you could but you dont want to do that [02:46]
mircea_popescu a ok [02:46]
thestringpuller you can run shell from php but you don't want to do that [02:46]
mircea_popescu actually i imagine the logs'd be in a db anyway rather than in files [02:47]
kakobrekla its not text files anyway [02:47]
mircea_popescu right. [02:47]
decimation the problem with everything is idiots and spammers [02:47]
kakobrekla ... [02:47]
decimation limit searching to those in the wot [02:47]
decimation everything becomes simple [02:47]
mircea_popescu ;;search "derpy herp", assbot checks if guy is in l2 and pastes output ? [02:47]
gribble (search ) -- Searches for in the current configuration variables. [02:47]
kakobrekla i can see ascii breaking it. [02:48]
mircea_popescu if he does we negrate him [02:48]
mircea_popescu or make him pay moar beer fund. [02:48]
davout kakobrekla: the log already chokes on nicks containing caps [02:48]
mthreat mircea_popescu: I've been thinking about making a log search. A handy search-as-a-service might come in handy there. [02:48]
mircea_popescu but anyway, this will become a serious problem, already i spend too much time searching the logs [02:48]
kakobrekla davout ? [02:49]
mircea_popescu o right, this happens to be what mthreat does for a living iirc [02:49]
davout backslashes [02:49]
decimation So I'm on vacation in Maui, and I find the local "Hawai'i" culture amusing. Mostly it's white people and the descendents of Korean slaves pretending to have something in common with war-like primative tribes who used to live here. [02:49]
mircea_popescu davout this because caps are evil in the ass of the lord. [02:49]
thestringpuller http://bitcoinmagazine.com/9447/thinking-transactions/ << not too bad [02:49]
kakobrekla wasnt that fixed [02:49]
assbot Thinking in Transactions Bitcoin Magazine [02:49]
deadweasel deafboy decimation DefectiveNu deizel dexX7 [02:49]
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mircea_popescu decimation sounds like someone on their way to cultural sensitivity boot camp [02:50]
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\ohai test [02:50]
kakobrekla yeah. fuick you. [02:50]
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mircea_popescu fail. [02:50]
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davout kakobrekla: five mazeltovs to you [02:51]
kakobrekla :) [02:51]
punkman I was working on a log search thingy but then I forgot about it, ask me again in a few days [02:51]
decimation hehe well the amusing thing about it is that loads of "spiritual" new-age white people (eat pray love) come here to find themselves a culture, because they aren't allowed to have one back in the mainland [02:51]
mircea_popescu i was going to ask you in a few days but then i ated it. [02:51]
kakobrekla you need to index all the shit then [02:51]
mthreat mircea_popescu: is there an API to get the logs? not hard to write a crawler for it, but an API would be nice [02:51]
kakobrekla ill add something to assbot [02:51]
mircea_popescu mthreat not afaik [02:51]
mircea_popescu cause we all have flatfile logs and well... lazy i guess [02:52]
mthreat I was going to use something like log(poster's WoT score) as the "pageRank" equivalent for ranking the results [02:52]
mircea_popescu wot score is not intended to be used as a scalar. [02:52]
mircea_popescu ;;google what the wot is how to use it [02:53]
gribble Ammo - World Of Tanks: ; The Definitive Idiot's Guide To High Explosive Ammunition - Game ...: ; World of Tanks: High Explosive Ammo Guide (HE) - Glenn0010 ...: [02:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.0255004 = 0.2805 BTC [-] {2} [02:53]
mircea_popescu dude srsly. [02:53]
mircea_popescu ;;google trilema what the wot is how to use it [02:53]
gribble What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un ...: ; Advanced WoT course : how the WoT is attacked, and how ... - Trilema: ; On periphery and the peripheral. Ephemerides are also ... - (1 more message) [02:53]
thestringpuller lolol [02:53]
mircea_popescu there mthreat, first link/ [02:53]
mthreat ok i'll look at it. it's easy to change the ranking function [02:53]
davout mthreat: the search should be as dumb as possible imo [02:53]
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davout ideally a bit smarter than a grep, but i'd beware of fancyness [02:54]
mthreat davout: ok. I'll make it open so folks can submit pull requests or whatever. [02:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.0008487 = 14.8523 BTC [-] {2} [02:55]
mircea_popescu there is nothing smarter than grep gtfo [02:55]
thestringpuller perl -p -i -e [02:55]
thestringpuller ;;perl [02:55]
gribble Error: "perl" is not a valid command. [02:55]
thestringpuller ;;ls [02:55]
gribble What do you think I am, a shell? [02:55]
mircea_popescu lol [02:55]
mircea_popescu ;;ll [02:55]
gribble Error: "ll" is not a valid command. [02:55]
mircea_popescu ORLY [02:55]
mthreat davout: and if assbot can do a REST request and interpret a JSON result, that part should be straightforward too [02:55]
decimation I would do exactly what a monk in 1300 would do - make a concordance of each day's logs and then make an index of the concordance [02:56]
davout mircea_popescu: i guess i you regexp you're good [02:56]
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mircea_popescu davout because srsly, regexp is turing complete! [02:56]
BingoBoingo ;;rm [02:56]
gribble Error: "rm" is not a valid command. [02:56]
davout mthreat: not to nitpick, but there's no such thing as a rest request [02:56]
davout :D [02:56]
BingoBoingo ;;ed logs [02:56]
gribble Google found nothing. [02:56]
mthreat ok, as long as you know what I meant ;) [02:57]
davout k i'm off, night all [02:57]
mircea_popescu im starting to suspect davout has been sleepingon the couch for like a week [02:57]
davout lol [02:57]
mircea_popescu he's got nitpicks with everyone [02:57]
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mircea_popescu slash slash /// [02:57]
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mircea_popescu ahahaha [02:57]
mircea_popescu the tarzan kid or w/e his name is has started a trend nao [02:58]
bitcoinpete ;;later tell davout lol well played [02:58]
gribble The operation succeeded. [02:58]
bitcoinpete howdy [02:59]
mircea_popescu hey. [02:59]
mircea_popescu bitcoin girl was looking for you earlier. [02:59]
bitcoinpete orly? [02:59]
bitcoinpete didn't see my name pop up in the logs... [02:59]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla: no coinbr account? then one must resolve to hookers. << you mean resort yea ? [02:59]
mircea_popescu bitcoinpete im just being an asshole. [02:59]
kakobrekla yeah. [03:00]
BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/susie_c/status/475100972004679681 [03:00]
assbot New inbox filter for emails containing "New York," "coming to the Bay Area," "writing an article," "pick your brain" ---> auto-reply "NOPE." [03:00]
benkay no no, coinbr resolves to hookers [03:00]
bitcoinpete mircea_popescu: i've been had! [03:00]
BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/475753463188430848 [03:01]
assbot The dream of having computers behave like humans is coming true, with the transformation, in a single generation, of humans into computers. [03:01]
BingoBoingo ^ If only [03:01]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo the bestpart being that the susie chick is practically nobody anyway. [03:01]
bitcoinpete ;;later tell benkay shibboleeeet http://xkcd.com/806/ [03:01]
gribble The operation succeeded. [03:01]
assbot xkcd: Tech Support [03:01]
mircea_popescu bitcoingirl: i think Kraken and circle are the drivers of the operation << SV "Bitcoin" VCs are quickly becoming this place elephants go to die. [03:02]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: The best part from he being a practical nobody is that there is a still lesser class such that even nobodies need autoresponders to dismiss them. [03:02]
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mircea_popescu and on those fleas in turn some fleas. [03:02]
BingoBoingo The Turtles were a lie, it is all fleas. [03:03]
mircea_popescu "there's a chick two phones over with a stuffed penguin" lmao [03:04]
mthreat mircea_popescu: I can't read that trilema WoT link - i'm still waiting for my trilema set-cookie link (sent 0.01002125 btc on 7-jun-2014) [03:05]
mircea_popescu can you link me the tx ? [03:07]
mthreat http://blockchain.info/tx/a20eac500a0f9a1b7f8016e303f9cff27d8da6a79a8a67695cab226ac2aeddfc [03:07]
mircea_popescu wtf happened here [03:07]
mthreat the first payment was for the wrong amount because the blockchain wallet truncates after too many digits (as I found out) [03:09]
mthreat so I just sent the correct amount from a different wallet [03:09]
BingoBoingo OMFG Blockchain is SCAM [03:09]
punkman why would any wallet not send the exact amount you ask it to? [03:10]
mthreat because amazing [03:11]
mircea_popescu whoa who the fuck came up with that. [03:11]
punkman amazing javascripts [03:11]
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mircea_popescu i had no idea they did that, moreover, pretty sure they didn't USE to do it. [03:12]
thestringpuller AMAZING [03:12]
thestringpuller amazing [03:12]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [03:12]
mthreat ^ that's what I was trying to do [03:12]
mircea_popescu anyway, this unearthed a bug in the credits script so you get double credit mthreat [03:12]
mthreat sweet [03:12]
thestringpuller hooray hooray! [03:12]
thestringpuller educate yo'selfs [03:12]
mthreat mircea_popescu: success [03:13]
mircea_popescu cool. [03:13]
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mircea_popescu benkay: and the best question yet: why are any of these fuckers still making noise? << apparently, lack of any sort of conservation instinct. [03:16]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Maybe the problem is the uranium mines have been unveiled yet? [03:17]
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mircea_popescu i guess. [03:17]
kakobrekla FabianB [03:17]
kakobrekla !mp book [03:17]
assbot http://dpaste.com/1F4E7FY.txt [03:17]
kakobrekla !mp ticker [03:18]
assbot http://dpaste.com/1GR13WW.txt [03:18]
mircea_popescu pretty cute. [03:18]
BingoBoingo I mean they've been hinted at, but some people probably won't believe until they are wearing an breathing aparatus and hoping it holds so the Radon doesn't asphyxiate them. [03:19]
mircea_popescu davout: yup, they're blessed with this situation where they have a financial entity backing them, but lets them do the kyc diligences themselves << dubious blessing. [03:19]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo so far, it'd seem the playbook of the vc twerp is, "1. eat as much conference rubber duck as possible ; 2. show trial ; 3. become usg informant" [03:20]
mircea_popescu in a few years it'll be practically speaking la serenissima vs a horde of mindless zombies controlled by the secretary of crypto, labour, housing, healthcare and other human services [03:21]
mircea_popescu it'll have a special crest with an eagle holding cocks. [03:21]
BingoBoingo Wasn't that the first draft of the S.NSA logo? [03:21]
mircea_popescu yeah. which explains it. [03:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18150 @ 0.00085415 = 15.5028 BTC [+] {3} [03:24]
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BingoBoingo I'm guessing the first Secretary of crypto is probably going to be Jay-Z or Ashton Kutcher, because VC celibrities in the flea circus like to imagine celberities in the Hollywood circus care for them. [03:25]
benkay hey who wants to sell me a data center [03:25]
mircea_popescu pankkake: but you give them your name!! it must be true :) << actually this is how england worked, back when it was still a respectable country, up until the socialist revolution of the 80s. [03:25]
mircea_popescu if you gave your name, the policeman was not at liberty to doubt your word. [03:25]
benkay bitcoinpete: leet leet leet [03:25]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo nah, it'll be yet another famished dc lawyer. [03:25]
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bitcoinpete benkay: :D [03:26]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Also a possibility. [03:26]
mircea_popescu by the way, whilke going through bsas' jewish quarter today it occured to me : what if the yamaka exists solelyto hide baldness ? [03:27]
mircea_popescu imagine, a whole people of men who don't have to worry about their thin spot anymore. [03:27]
benkay lol what did they start caring about their guts? [03:27]
mircea_popescu but there's a shawl too. [03:28]
benkay that's to display wealth with fabric, thread and dye, not to conceal the rotundity of being well-fed. [03:28]
mircea_popescu how you know. [03:29]
benkay leastaways that's how i've always read it. odds of me being wrong on a thing are like 9:1 [03:29]
benkay grew up in it. [03:29]
benkay tallit's an important gift to the newly adultified. [03:30]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Generally in the US baseball caps are used to hide bald spots and thinning hair. I kind of though tthe concept was cribbed from the Jews. [03:30]
mircea_popescu benkay just sayin', you never know what the REAL purpose is. [03:31]
benkay sure ofc [03:31]
mircea_popescu that's the heart of all conspiracy [03:31]
benkay social conformity, 900 others, bla bla bla [03:31]
mircea_popescu !mpif [03:33]
assbot BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021703 BTC (Total: 434.08 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021725 BTC [+] [03:33]
BingoBoingo !jd mpif [03:33]
assbot Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 170.49500922 BTC; -0.06019199 BTC (-0.0353%) since last check 1d 21h 52m 10s ago. [03:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13851 @ 0.0008552 = 11.8454 BTC [+] [03:34]
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mircea_popescu frankenmint: why couldnt i simply pass on the link directly to the cli << you could open the link in a browser and past the contents directly to the cli [03:35]
mircea_popescu or use some sort of pipes with wget to do this [03:35]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla: like if the market goes sideways then use arbitrage otherwise play swing trades < yes make it so if the market goes sideways then use arbitrage otherwise play swing trades << the humour of this has not been lost on me. [03:39]
kakobrekla :) [03:39]
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kakobrekla dud. [03:40]
mircea_popescu no milk ;/ [03:40]
kakobrekla aww [03:41]
BingoBoingo Aww [03:41]
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mircea_popescu i think this may be scam ;/ [03:41]
kakobrekla maybe he can dox milk for 0.1 btc [03:41]
mircea_popescu or ddos it from his home computer [03:42]
BingoBoingo ;;google site:bitcoin-assets.com risperidone milk [03:42]
gribble No matches found. [03:42]
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bitcoinpete mircea_popescu benkay tallits also bulk up the shoulders nicely, hiding the kind of scrawniness that can only come with paper pushing [03:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25050 @ 0.00084797 = 21.2416 BTC [-] {3} [04:01]
thestringpuller "if your brother was a good king, he'd still be alive" -tywin [04:06]
benkay the domain man.systems is available [04:18]
benkay i discovered this with http://dumb.domains [04:18]
assbot DUMB.domains [04:18]
benkay and was paid to deliver this message [04:18]
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benkay ;;later tell fluffypony frisky.holdings lol you can use that for your future fund [04:19]
gribble The operation succeeded. [04:19]
benkay whoa fp offline for once [04:19]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50100 @ 0.00085274 = 42.7223 BTC [+] [04:20]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00007007 = 0.3504 BTC [-] {4} [04:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1750 @ 0.00007001 = 0.1225 BTC [-] {2} [04:25]
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mircea_popescu mike_c hey i wanna argue with you some more. you busy ? [04:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 37 @ 0.07377776 = 2.7298 BTC [+] [04:47]
mike_c fire away [04:47]
mircea_popescu so, are all your btc currently invested in like stocks and shit ? [04:48]
mike_c hm [04:48]
mike_c hypothetically what do you call panacea? that's not stock and shit [04:48]
mircea_popescu doesn't have to be the personal you. the theoretical you, as described by must always eat cake [04:48]
mircea_popescu ok, securities. [04:48]
mike_c theoretically JD isn't a security, it's bankrolling a casino. [04:49]
mircea_popescu it's a security (an adjusted debenture) [04:49]
mike_c ok. seems like a broad definition, but then yes, i suppose the theoritcal me is invested in securities. [04:50]
mircea_popescu 100% ? [04:50]
BingoBoingo Is uranium mine a security? [04:50]
mike_c to be clear (for the last time) we aren't talking about me, but what I would recommend. [04:50]
BingoBoingo And if so is it cake? [04:50]
mircea_popescu yourownership of it is. [04:50]
mircea_popescu mike_c your theoretical model. [04:51]
mike_c my theoritcal model would be 95% invested, yeas [04:51]
mike_c yeah [04:51]
mircea_popescu your theoretical model would be broke. [04:51]
mike_c it would disagree :D [04:52]
mike_c you mean it would be illiquid? [04:52]
mircea_popescu that shit where you're 95% invested at age 30 because whatever, you'll make more stiictly depends on fiat being paper. [04:52]
mike_c no, you're invested because no reason not to have your money out working for you [04:52]
mircea_popescu anyway, what i had in mind just got shot because i wasn't expecting you to be this reckless :D [04:53]
mike_c hehe [04:53]
mike_c why sit around with a huge cash balance that isn't growing when there are good investment opportunities? [04:53]
mircea_popescu can't fucking argue with you without a degree in mikeity. [04:53]
mircea_popescu i'lltell you why [04:53]
mircea_popescu ever heard of thierry de la villehuchet ? [04:54]
mike_c no [04:54]
mircea_popescu french aristocrat from a family that had been doing banking for centuries [04:54]
mike_c hm, a madoff investor [04:54]
mircea_popescu recently killed himself, over the net results of the wrong answer to that question [04:55]
mike_c lots of investors jump off buildings during every crisis cuz they are dumb. [04:55]
mike_c i'm not saying put 95% of your cash in pirate. or in a variety of investments that are all actually putting their money in pirate. [04:56]
mircea_popescu but can you know. [04:56]
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mike_c yes. [04:56]
mircea_popescu which conveniently fixes the shotwound in my idea. [04:57]
mike_c heh. pleasure doing business. [04:57]
mircea_popescu the reason the theoretical you wants to buy "shitty" investments is that buying all the good investments and only those exposes you to a class risk [04:57]
mircea_popescu ie, they're not likely to be unrelated, whether you know this or not. [04:57]
mircea_popescu ie, they're all into pirate. [04:57]
mike_c JD is not actually running some elaborate fake movie on its site while secretly running a ponzi. [04:58]
mircea_popescu this is besides the point tho [04:58]
mircea_popescu human activity is bound in that it's run by humans. [04:58]
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mike_c ok.. [04:59]
mike_c so the class risk is that all BTC bizness could go belly up? [04:59]
mike_c like by some decree? [04:59]
mike_c i propose doog and kako would still return funds. [04:59]
mircea_popescu the class risk is that in general, all the fashionable stuff in any space tends to go belly up together a lot more than a "unrelated" model would seem to indicate. [04:59]
mircea_popescu and by fashionable i actually mean "good returns" [05:00]
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mike_c so i should diversify into "bad returns". hmm.. [05:00]
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BingoBoingo Not necessarily bad returns, but... neutral returns like holding coin otherwise uninvested and other brussel sprouts. [05:01]
mike_c let's take a fiat example. warren invests in good companies with durable competitive advantages and global footprints. what's the class risk? he only invests in good companies? [05:02]
mircea_popescu the class risk is exactly that. he's now stuck derping about how "america will prevail" [05:03]
mircea_popescu i wouldn't want to be in his shoes. he's saved by old age, and by the fact that business cycles used to be slow. [05:03]
mircea_popescu this won't hold in the future. [05:04]
mike_c he owns lots of companies outside US, and the US companies sell more product outside america than inside. US could get wiped off map, and as long as Omaha was left standing he'd be ok. [05:04]
mike_c i wouldn't want to be him because he's trying to grow a capital base of $200B. [05:04]
mircea_popescu actually that's not particularly concerning, the size. [05:05]
mike_c plus he's 80-something [05:05]
mircea_popescu let me make this argument at you in a different vein. [05:05]
dub US could get wiped off map.. Inshallah [05:05]
mike_c i gotta pop off for 30 mins. back in a bit and will continue if you're still around. [05:07]
mircea_popescu aite. [05:08]
thestringpuller Why is Aurenheimer being a n00b? [05:09]
* benkay is on tenterhooks, goes back to the editor [05:09]
thestringpuller Guess he likes being a troll that much. [05:09]
thestringpuller all for the lulz [05:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00085274 = 16.33 BTC [+] [05:09]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller that'd be the best construction lol [05:10]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3871 @ 0.00007001 = 0.271 BTC [-] [05:13]
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TheNewDeal MP, so what's the magic number of % assets invested for us young guns [05:16]
TheNewDeal :D [05:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 12500 @ 0.00006099 = 0.7624 BTC [-] {9} [05:16]
dub 69% [05:17]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal wait what ? [05:19]
TheNewDeal nice dub [05:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18750 @ 0.00085365 = 16.0059 BTC [+] [05:22]
TheNewDeal in reference to the mike_c 95% invested [05:23]
TheNewDeal whats the magic %age [05:23]
mircea_popescu well, you familiar with the kelly criterion ? [05:24]
mike_c i am of course. [05:24]
mike_c plus, i'm back. [05:25]
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mike_c so, TheNewDeal: kelly says in the simple case (1:1 bet) to bet your edge. [05:26]
mike_c if you have a 5% edge, bet 5% of your bankroll [05:26]
TheNewDeal i just read your article about kelly the other day [05:26]
mike_c but it gets more complicated with odds and with multiple wagers/investments. [05:26]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal now model a beting situation where you also have income [05:27]
mircea_popescu it'll skew the optimal towards more risk [05:28]
mircea_popescu the more a % of your stake the income is, the more risk you take. [05:28]
mircea_popescu mike_c ok so, back to our discussion [05:28]
mircea_popescu consider all you have is 100 btc, and jd offers you a shot at 200 btc. would you take the deal ? [05:28]
mike_c of course not [05:29]
TheNewDeal JD... [05:29]
mike_c justdice [05:29]
TheNewDeal i know [05:29]
TheNewDeal its a place to dump btc that you no longer wish to own [05:29]
mike_c mircea_popescu: and i mean of course not on the betting or investing side. [05:30]
mircea_popescu mike_c now, could we say that since you're proposed to either lose all your money or win 100 btc this deal isn't very good, [05:30]
mircea_popescu but if you were proposed to either lose all your btc or win all the btc there are, then it'd be a fine shot ? [05:30]
mike_c you mean 100 vs 20999900? then yes. [05:31]
TheNewDeal depending on the odds [05:31]
TheNewDeal but even your 2/3 chance of a 2X payout, kelly says to bet a fraction of your stake [05:32]
mircea_popescu mike_c now obviously as fair as this deal would be to you, it's still not particularly fair to jd. [05:32]
mircea_popescu in fact, the poorer you are, the further your fair deal is forsanity [05:33]
mircea_popescu EXCEPT if you're worth ~7 mn btc. then the deal is actually fair for both ends. [05:33]
mike_c fair but foolish, yes. [05:33]
mircea_popescu this is precisely why i said earlier 200bn isn't the concern. the bigger you grow, the more deals are exposed to you. [05:33]
mike_c not sure i give you that. different deals are exposed. some are removed. [05:34]
mircea_popescu none are removed. [05:34]
mircea_popescu as a hot guy you can still fuck all the ugly chicks you want [05:34]
mircea_popescu as a smart guy you can still say all thestupid shit you may want to say [05:34]
mircea_popescu the fact that you don't want to do it doesn't mean it's been removed. [05:34]
mike_c removed from the world of "profitable options" [05:35]
mike_c it is not profitalbe to spend my time making 50% on 2m instead of 2% on 100b. [05:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07370061 = 0.1474 BTC [-] [05:36]
mike_c but, not to sidetrack if that wasn't the main point. [05:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0727658 = 0.1455 BTC [-] [05:38]
mircea_popescu i don't follow this logic, even if it is a sidepoint [05:41]
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mike_c only so much time in the day. it is unprofitable to spend it on endeavors that can't return a reasonable percentage on my enlarged capital base. [05:44]
mircea_popescu what's the percentage matter. [05:44]
TheNewDeal diversification maaan [05:46]
mike_c why would i expend effort on something that may significantly increase 1% of my base instead of something that will only moderately increase 20% of my base? it would be unprofitable. [05:46]
mircea_popescu to put it another way : behind door A there's a bacterium. in the proper agar it doubles every half minute. behind door B there's a naked buxom beauty. you can pick either door, the prize will be entirely yours to dispose as you please. [05:46]
mircea_popescu you're taking the bacterium ? [05:47]
BingoBoingo !b 2 [05:48]
assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2R06PDC.txt ) [05:48]
mike_c i am failing to map that metaphor onto our financial discussion. [05:48]
punkman aesthetics are important [05:48]
BingoBoingo Hauling trash can offer great returns, but it isn't very fun or glamorous. [05:49]
mircea_popescu mike_c well, there's this chain of pizzerias, which will be doubling each year for the next decade, yielding a bunch of pizzerias. [05:49]
mircea_popescu or, there's benkay's ocean mining conglomerate, which will gain 10% over the same decade [05:50]
mircea_popescu which 10% could buy about one trillion pizzerias. [05:50]
mircea_popescu which ? [05:50]
mike_c well, this is kind of my point. [05:50]
mike_c with a huge capital base you don't even consider the pizzerias [05:50]
mike_c wait [05:51]
mircea_popescu lol [05:51]
assbot [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 1114 @ 0.00207449 = 2.311 BTC [-] {3} [05:51]
mike_c pizzeria = $100k. will double for 10 years yielding.. $100m [05:51]
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mike_c with $200b in equity you ignore that shit. [05:52]
mike_c because it is a waste of yoru time. [05:52]
mike_c that opportunity is not yours. [05:52]
mike_c it is the opportunity of a lifetime for the guy with 100k. [05:52]
mircea_popescu it's a waste of everyone's time, just, others don't have the luxury to notice. [05:52]
TheNewDeal lol [05:52]
mircea_popescu like you know, a dribblet of cum i spilled on the floor is something my well sated slaves ignore [05:52]
mircea_popescu but would be the opportunity of a lifetime for a random girl off twitter. [05:53]
mike_c ok :) fine. so if you assume the people worth talking about all have an enlarged capital base, then we can scope the conversation to that. [05:53]
mircea_popescu this is why i introduced the bitcoin gambling thing. to point out that the world is a snowglobe whether you are big enough to notice or not., [05:53]
mircea_popescu and in that context, a large capital base works you no harm. [05:54]
mircea_popescu http://www.bootygirlz.com/boobygirl_home.shtml << the revenge of 1992 [05:55]
assbot Bootygirlz.com Buxom White Whore Boobygirl sucks and fucks Groups of Hung Black Men [05:56]
mthreat buffett talks about that a lot, e.g. from 1994: "Though there are as many good businesses as ever, it is useless for us to make purchases that are inconsequential in relation to Berkshire's capital. … We now consider a security for purchase only if we believe we can deploy at least $100 million in it. Given that minimum, Berkshire's investment universe has shrunk dramatically. [05:56]
mthreat " [05:57]
mircea_popescu sure. [05:57]
mircea_popescu he also says that he's not going to discuss his strategy given that it's valuable and easily replicated [05:57]
mike_c ok.. perhaps this will bring our lines of thought closer: in my theoretical model, someone with as much bitcoin as you should absolutely not be 95% invested. [05:57]
mircea_popescu soyou know, gotta take what the man says with a gtain of salt. [05:57]
mircea_popescu mike_c well amusingly enough i actually am holding tons of paper. just, it's to a large degree my own. [05:58]
TheNewDeal regardless, Buffet's capital is how many times greater than most people? [05:58]
mircea_popescu which brings us to the problem : because bitcoin is fixed, a 95% investment situation will be unavoidable statistically. as the value of all paper will much exceed the value of cash btc available, willy-nilly. [05:59]
mircea_popescu and so everyone will be quite invested. [05:59]
mircea_popescu which is why the stability of the investment universe is actually drastically more important for bitcoin than for fiat. [06:00]
mike_c and "cash" will still be king :) [06:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34736 @ 0.000854 = 29.6645 BTC [+] {3} [06:02]
TheNewDeal btc not the king?!?! [06:03]
mike_c keep up here, cash = liquid btc [06:04]
TheNewDeal ahhh [06:04]
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TheNewDeal MP i've got a question about reported results for btc companies [06:04]
mike_c although mp has proposed that ballers swap shares of mpoe like it's cash. which is interesting. [06:04]
TheNewDeal specifically, why doesn't bitbet have a report like "bets pending, resolved, gain, etc" [06:05]
TheNewDeal like when I look up my betting address [06:05]
TheNewDeal the way they report it now - with bets made taken as a windfall, and bets resolved as a gain, kind of hides their results of their bets [06:05]
mike_c catch you guys tomorrow. [06:06]
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mircea_popescu TheNewDeal becase back when bitbet was invented we didn't have an0 yet. [06:08]
mircea_popescu !up smickles [06:09]
-assbot- You voiced smickles for 30 minutes. [06:09]
* assbot gives voice to smickles [06:09]
mircea_popescu meanwhile the channel went +m [06:09]
TheNewDeal but now bets are greater than incoming revenue [06:09]
mircea_popescu you gotta id with gribble then pm assbot !up to get permavoiced. [06:09]
mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot smickles [06:09]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask smickles!~ec2-user@ec2-54-227-61-57.compute-1.amazonaws.com. Trust relationship from user assbot to user smickles: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 8 via 8 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=smickles | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=smickles | Rated since: Wed Jan 4 21:28:52 2012 [06:09]
smickles !up [06:09]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal well yeah that can happen. it's rare [06:10]
mircea_popescu smickles in pm tho [06:10]
smickles tst [06:10]
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mircea_popescu there. [06:10]
smickles whee :) [06:10]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/ for background [06:11]
assbot #bitcoin-assets +m pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [06:11]
smickles it's like the channel just went on without me [06:11]
mircea_popescu haha. i don't even recall, where you here when logs were introduced ? the bash ? [06:12]
mircea_popescu we even have a secretary now, with a phone number and everything. [06:12]
smickles maybe just the beginning [06:12]
mircea_popescu ;;topic [06:12]
gribble http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com [06:12]
mircea_popescu and a blog network! [06:12]
smickles oh my, can I even type words properly anymore? [06:12]
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smickles what a thing this is now! [06:13]
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mircea_popescu ikr. [06:14]
smickles do people get de-voiced if assbot has a low L2 of them? [06:14]
mircea_popescu ;;google site:log.bitcoin-assets.com reutersemily [06:14]
gribble NEXT: 21-03-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: ; NEXT: 23-04-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: ; NEXT: 22-03-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log - bitcoin-assets.com: [06:14]
mircea_popescu smickles if it's <1 they justcan't self voice anymoar. [06:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17750 @ 0.00085638 = 15.2007 BTC [+] {2} [06:15]
smickles so much to read, no way i'll get current hehe [06:17]
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mircea_popescu lol [06:18]
BingoBoingo smickles: Either that or the kids will be out of the house. [06:18]
smickles ah, speaking of that. I have to give them a bath. bb in 20 min or so [06:19]
smickles bak [06:34]
TheNewDeal how did bathing the little shits go? [06:36]
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mircea_popescu !up unbalanced [06:38]
-assbot- You voiced unbalanced for 30 minutes. [06:38]
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smickles TheNewDeal: awfully [06:39]
smickles they are tired, i did it too late in the day [06:40]
TheNewDeal that sounds like a good deal? [06:40]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10691 @ 0.00085392 = 9.1293 BTC [-] [06:53]
TheNewDeal bitcoin network needs some steriods this week [07:01]
mircea_popescu ;;estimate [07:01]
gribble Next difficulty estimate | 11861036168.8 based on data since last change | 11960937288.6 based on data for last three days [07:02]
BingoBoingo I'd be thrilled if it stalled out until Bastille Day [07:02]
Mats_cd03 ;;bc,stats [07:02]
gribble Current Blocks: 304889 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 1542 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 8 hours, 22 minutes, and 33 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 11876740684.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.02231 [07:02]
TheNewDeal I'm updating TheNewDeals estimate to 4.8% increase [07:03]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27213 @ 0.00085428 = 23.2475 BTC [+] {2} [07:03]
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TheNewDeal still looks like there should be a third change unless things start going backwards [07:06]
TheNewDeal ;;calc (14/11.756)^(1/3) [07:07]
gribble Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number. [07:07]
TheNewDeal ;;calc (14/11.756)**(1/3) [07:07]
gribble 1.05996002345 [07:07]
benkay wowee. 4.8% you say? [07:07]
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TheNewDeal my model is with starting hashrate of 83.5 PH and a daily growth rate of 1.0095 [07:08]
TheNewDeal trying to be conservative [07:09]
TheNewDeal I'm pretty noobish at modeling a random walk though [07:09]
TheNewDeal so I skipped that [07:10]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1609 @ 0.00085274 = 1.3721 BTC [-] [07:14]
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mircea_popescu !up btamm13 [07:15]
-assbot- You voiced btamm13 for 30 minutes. [07:15]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18791 @ 0.00084926 = 15.9584 BTC [-] [07:17]
benkay TheNewDeal: care to take a guess at when the diff will finally reverse? [07:18]
TheNewDeal ohmygosh [07:18]
benkay ? [07:19]
TheNewDeal I haven't the slightest clue [07:19]
TheNewDeal http://bitcoin.sipa.be/growth.png this one makes it look like august/september (if the trend continues*) [07:20]
TheNewDeal I've got a lot of my stake invested in the Bastille Day, starting to make me sweat [07:23]
mircea_popescu later all. [07:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00085509 = 15.0496 BTC [+] {2} [07:24]
TheNewDeal peace [07:25]
thestringpuller IDIFF may be a better bet to make overall [07:25]
TheNewDeal idiff? [07:25]
TheNewDeal oh, I'm not on mpex unfortunately [07:26]
TheNewDeal not nearly as rich as you all [07:26]
TheNewDeal I felt the desire to take a risk with an a decent amount of my capital on something that actually can be calculated easily [07:28]
TheNewDeal getting very tired with btc price bets [07:28]
thestringpuller i don't use mpex [07:30]
thestringpuller just coinbr [07:30]
TheNewDeal ooooh [07:30]
thestringpuller i'm also one of the few people here who's fiat cashflow > crypto cash flow [07:30]
TheNewDeal who runs that? [07:30]
thestringpuller jurov: [07:30]
TheNewDeal wait a second [07:32]
TheNewDeal those x.diff look underpriced [07:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71926 @ 0.00085021 = 61.1522 BTC [-] {4} [07:33]
TheNewDeal ahhh maybe it's pretty accurate [07:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00085564 = 8.4281 BTC [+] [07:35]
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thestringpuller hmmm [07:37]
thestringpuller ;;bc,stats [07:38]
gribble Current Blocks: 304890 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 1541 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 8 hours, 12 minutes, and 53 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 11879938287.0 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.04951 [07:38]
TheNewDeal gribble is such a copycat [07:38]
thestringpuller hmmm [07:39]
TheNewDeal totally just updated my prediction to 4.8% [07:39]
cazalla don't sweat it TheNewDeal, it's a lock [07:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27883 @ 0.00084734 = 23.6264 BTC [-] {2} [07:40]
thestringpuller it might not happen before June IDIFF settles [07:40]
thestringpuller the diff change [07:40]
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thestringpuller if it does... [07:40]
TheNewDeal I've got the diff change happening around 06:00 on 6/18 GMT time [07:40]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15717 @ 0.00084622 = 13.3 BTC [-] {2} [07:41]
thestringpuller that's after [07:41]
TheNewDeal that's with a 13.35 day total time between diff changes [07:41]
thestringpuller it settles [07:41]
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TheNewDeal it said midnight of thi no?rd wednesday, or 6/18 [07:41]
TheNewDeal it said midnight of third wednesday, or 6/18, no? [07:41]
thestringpuller oh i guess 11:59 on 6/18 [07:42]
TheNewDeal 23:59 [07:42]
thestringpuller yea or that [07:42]
thestringpuller hmm, gonna be close [07:43]
thestringpuller ;;google why does claire danes never age? [07:43]
gribble Claire Danes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Claire Danes - Biography - IMDb: ; Claire Danes Biography - Facts, Birthday, Life Story - Biography.com: [07:43]
TheNewDeal ;;google photoshop [07:43]
gribble Photoshop Inspiration, Photoshop Information | Photoshop.com: ; Photoshop Online Tools | Photoshop.com: ; Download Photoshop CC by joining Creative Cloud today | Adobe ...: [07:43]
TheNewDeal this one looks a little iffy https://www.google.com/search?q=claire+danes&safe=off&es_sm=122&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=fzuVU8f4MNizyAT6i4HIAw&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1366&bih=643#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=eojvOvIhxj6grM%253A%3BF43YDPK0VqpqnM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fimages.beautyriot.com%252Fphotos%252Fclaire-danes-straight-blonde-romantic-updo-hairstyle.j [07:44]
TheNewDeal pg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.beautyriot.com%252Fcelebrities%252Fclaire-danes%252Fphoto-claire-danes-straight-blonde-romantic-updo-hairstyle-pid27671%3B400%3B544 [07:44]
assbot claire danes - Google Search [07:44]
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TheNewDeal but she does look like she non-ages well [07:45]
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thestringpuller lol [07:47]
TheNewDeal that's kinda neat that all mpex people can create i.diff futures [07:49]
Mats_cd03 claire danes is scary [07:50]
TheNewDeal pretty good looking in my opinion [07:51]
TheNewDeal http://media1.onsugar.com/files/2013/09/24/087/n/1922398/7d58b88d6672e166_thumb_temp35398911380070601/i/Claire-Danes-Homeland-Premiere-Video.jpg [07:51]
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TheNewDeal cazalla would you like to buy some of my exposure to the bastille day bet? [07:54]
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cazalla i've already bet yes so i'll pass [08:00]
TheNewDeal doh [08:01]
cazalla dw, it's like the Oklahoma Michigan bet and nobody had that one [08:01]
TheNewDeal not familiar with the one you're referring to [08:03]
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cazalla the one with the crooked fkn zebras [08:03]
TheNewDeal whaaaaaaaaat [08:04]
TheNewDeal oh [08:04]
TheNewDeal refs [08:04]
cazalla ha sorry :P [08:04]
TheNewDeal sorry, still lost me here [08:05]
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fluffypony lol [09:46]
fluffypony ;;later tell benkay F.OLD as the symbol? [09:47]
gribble The operation succeeded. [09:47]
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Namworld CBTC is still valued quite high. [10:26]
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jurov [00:00:24] no no, coinbr resolves to hookers << what? [10:27]
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Namworld The mermaid, he must recognize her, must be one of his local hookers. [10:31]
Namworld That's the most logical explanation I can find, and it's not very logical, but eh. [10:31]
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fluffypony this is classic [10:32]
fluffypony https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=529946.msg7204419#msg7204419 [10:32]
assbot Neo & Bee talk (spam free thread) [10:32]
fluffypony "havelock should hv done their checks on him and not offer scam companies." [10:32]
fluffypony if only. [10:32]
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Namworld What kind of checks can they run at all anyway? Dox people? Seems limited to that. [10:33]
fluffypony Namworld: I think that a starting point would be historicity [10:36]
fluffypony which is what the WoT provides [10:36]
fluffypony the person is a) known, b) trusted by some when trading / lending / borrowing / dealing, c) has been around for a while, d) has not absconded with funds in the history of their presence on the WoT [10:36]
fluffypony just a starting point, mind you [10:36]
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jurov this is how england worked, back when it was still a respectable country, up until the socialist revolution of the 80s. << lol if only margie t. heard you [10:39]
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jurov [00:33:43] BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker << kakobrekla you said you don't do assbot ad slots :D [10:41]
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BingoBoingo !mpif [10:42]
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BingoBoingo %ticker [10:47]
atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 144 Ask: 270 Last Price: 273 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A [10:47]
Namworld fluffypony, the real world doesn't care about reality. You dox people and that's it. [10:47]
Namworld You don't dig for dirt. [10:47]
fluffypony Namworld: but what does knowing their real identity do? they could have run all sorts of scams and just not (yet) been caught, they could have had out-of-court settlements and all sorts [10:48]
fluffypony or even worse - they could be 100% genuine and yet still be involved in completely baseless court action that someone has taken against them (pissed off ex-girlfriend or ex-employee or ex-business-partner) [10:48]
Namworld If there's no criminal record, it's good enough. Notice I said the real world didn't care about REALITY. [10:50]
Namworld So I'm well aware of those issues... but not everyone will run proper background checks. [10:51]
fluffypony yeah [10:53]
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pankkake http://www.coindesk.com/malaysian-online-retailer-accepts-bitcoin-wont-convert-fiat-currency/ [11:02]
assbot Malaysian Online Retailer Accepts Bitcoin, Won't Convert to Fiat Currency [11:02]
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fluffypony KILL THE MALAYSIAN PRIME MINISTER! [11:05]
BingoBoingo fluffypony: OMG going to get banned from Twitter nao!!! [11:07]
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fluffypony I was just quoting Derek Zoolander - ban HIM from Twitter! [11:07]
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jurov http://www.technologyreview.com/news/527561/military-funds-brain-computer-interfaces-to-control-feelings/ [11:49]
assbot DARPA Program Seeks to Use Brain Implants to Control Mental Illness | MIT Technology Review [11:49]
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jurov here we go, govt-approved mental states [11:50]
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pankkake https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_bomb [11:51]
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assbot Gay bomb - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [11:51]
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jurov pankkake: i really hope these electrodes end up as ignobel candidates, too [11:53]
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Namworld I really hope the "mentally ill" group doesn't include the whole Earth population [12:05]
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pankkake they're already feeding a large chunk of the population with antidepressants [12:09]
FabianB kakobrekla: thanks, works great :) [12:11]
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Namworld I was more hinting about technology eventually reaching brain control chip level and the technology being applied to everyone. Because let's face it 1. The brain is mechanical 2. You can control just about any sort of machine given the time to develop the approriate tools 3. Someone at some point in time will try to get it installed on everyone for selfish purposes. [12:14]
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pankkake well, that's the next step [12:16]
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Namworld Eh, misuse of new technologies for the purpose of enslavement is nothing new. [12:20]
jurov the brain is not "mechanical" in contemporary technology sense. it's wetware with myriads of interlocking electrochemical processes [12:21]
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Namworld Yes, I didn't mean mechanical in that fashion. More that chemical reactions are akin to machines. Although I guess it's not good practice to speak casually like that. [12:23]
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jurov do we really have such machines? i don't think so [12:25]
punkman the technology of the demagogue is as old as dirt, who needs brain-controlling computars [12:26]
jurov even neural network simulators were found to have weakness - researchers were able to imperceptibly (to humans) change the samples which the neural networks miscategorized [12:26]
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jurov punkman can post-traumatic depression be cured by demagogy? [12:28]
Namworld I never said we were there yet. The brain is extremely complex. So many molecules of all kinds, complex structures. [12:29]
punkman jurov, I'd guess it can [12:29]
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Namworld Simulating/scanning a live one properly and actually controlling thoughts through simulations and predictions of inputs effects would probably require computing power and an amount of energy that just isn't realistically feasible for centuries. [12:31]
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punkman http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2022822 [12:33]
assbot Tailspotting: Identifying and Profiting from CEO Vacation Trips by David Yermack :: SSRN [12:33]
Namworld But given the time to get the tools to do it, it's not unrealistic. It falls under the current known laws of physics. [12:33]
Namworld Unlike other things like wormholes and FTL through space compression, which are not yet falling within certain laws of physics and aren't thought to be likely. The conditions needed to make that happen are huge and uncertain. [12:39]
jurov well.. that's such positivist statment [12:39]
jurov tell me, what will mpoe trade for next month? [12:40]
jurov that falls under laws of physics, too :D [12:40]
Namworld We'll probably have brain control chips before we can get outside the solar system, assuming we're not wiped out by some cataclysmic event first. [12:40]
Namworld Well, I guess, but to predict that accurately, wouldn't I need to accurately simulate all brains in the world, including the Earth and all stellar input that affect those brains? [12:41]
jurov what if brain activity gets proven to be incomputable? [12:42]
Namworld Which is even worse.... when it comes to finances, we have experience of what works and doesn't, what's good signs and doesn't, and guesstimating [12:42]
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Namworld Well I'd be a bit surprised, but yes. That's always possible. [12:43]
jurov what's surprising? [12:43]
jurov even most 100-byte asm programs can't be determined whether they'll eventually finish and how [12:44]
jurov but hooray, let's simulate billions of neurons [12:45]
jurov brb [12:45]
punkman I have a working reddit brain simulator [12:46]
Namworld It's a very small amount of matter compared to the universe. I'd assume we can refine technology close enough to simulate it accurately, or almost, given the resources out there. [12:46]
punkman it only ever outputs "lol" though [12:46]
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Namworld I'm sure if you could simulate the whole of the system running your 100-byte asm programs, you'd be able to determine when it would eventually finish. [12:48]
Namworld It's really about simulating a complete system of interacting atoms. [12:48]
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Namworld But enough distant future hypothetical scenarios, it's not like it has any usefulness, other than maybe entertaining oneself. [12:51]
Namworld It's 5:50 am, I need sleep, and I'm vastly out of topic for this channel I think, mostly rambling and talking to myself. [12:52]
Namworld So goodnight everyone, I'll go before I spout out too much more nonsense. [12:53]
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kakobrekla jurov just giving credit where the credit is due. [13:30]
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mircea_popescu ;;seen Naphex [14:12]
gribble Naphex was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 15 hours, 12 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: o/ [14:12]
mircea_popescu Naphex http://trilema.com/2012/piete-intreprinzatori-tehnologii-chestii/ << old skool :D [14:12]
assbot Piete, intreprinzatori, tehnologii, chestii. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [14:12]
mircea_popescu FabianB sent. [14:12]
mircea_popescu ;;seen littlep1 [14:14]
gribble littlep1 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 18 hours, 9 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: he sent me an email about the corporate failures list threatening to sue me [14:14]
mircea_popescu so was this a kinda lame attempt at social engineering or what. [14:14]
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mircea_popescu Namworld: What kind of checks can they run at all anyway? Dox people? Seems limited to that. << if they don't know why are they pretending to be in business ? "oh, doctors should diagnose people not feed them random pills" "what diagnose can they do anyway" [14:16]
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mircea_popescu jurov: [14:18]
mircea_popescu this is how england worked, back when it was still a respectable country, up until the socialist revolution of the 80s. << lol if only margie t. heard you << "During her premiership Thatcher had the second-lowest average approval rating, at 40 percent, of any post-war Prime Minister. " [14:18]
mircea_popescu let's not blame the wrong gal for people's brains turning to shit. [14:19]
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mircea_popescu Namworld: fluffypony, the real world doesn't care about reality. << more like the reverse. reality doesn't care for whatever set you happen to have mislabeled as "the real world". probably a selection of terminally unemployable couch surfing webexperts. [14:47]
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Apocalyptic in other news, ATC price graphs from x-bt on http://atc.blockr.io/ [14:49]
Mats_cd03 hue hue hue [14:50]
mircea_popescu Namworld Because let's face it 1. The brain is mechanical << you know what else lets-face-it-is-mechanical ? the fucking atom. [14:51]
mircea_popescu or wait, notrly. [14:51]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic nice1 [14:51]
mircea_popescu hm [14:52]
mircea_popescu ;;seen thickasthieves [14:52]
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mircea_popescu ;;later tell ThickAsThieves in other news, ATC price graphs from x-bt on http://atc.blockr.io/ [14:52]
gribble The operation succeeded. [14:52]
mircea_popescu 10 blocks in 25 minutes too, nuts. [14:52]
mircea_popescu %d [14:53]
Apocalyptic yeah unbalanced has rent some hashpower [14:54]
mircea_popescu jurov: punkman can post-traumatic depression be cured by demagogy? << yes if full specter. probably not if randomly limited. [14:54]
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mircea_popescu !up joesmoe [14:55]
-assbot- You voiced joesmoe for 30 minutes. [14:55]
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joesmoe test [14:55]
joesmoe awesome thanks man [14:55]
mircea_popescu lol ok i'll stfu with namworld's 1800s ideas about the brain, jurov handed him his ass pretty admirably :D [14:55]
mircea_popescu punkman: it only ever outputs "lol" though << must be only simulating the left brain [14:56]
mircea_popescu joesmoe did you want to say something ? [14:56]
joesmoe nah i just wanted to join in the convo [14:57]
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joesmoe was more interested in the conversation you were having the other day about south america [15:00]
joesmoe but didn't get back until it was laready over. [15:00]
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mircea_popescu well im sure there's going to be another [15:01]
joesmoe i was thinking about heading down there about 6 months ago before all the china stuff blrew up [15:02]
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mircea_popescu wait how did china blow up ? [15:04]
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chetty http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jun/08/pyrenees-brown-bear-pyros-sexual-castration-segregation [15:13]
assbot Alpha-male bear facing castration as sexual dominance threatens population | Environment | theguardian.com [15:13]
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mircea_popescu haha hopefully the bears get food stamps next. [15:17]
Mats_cd03 lol [15:19]
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mircea_popescu http://pgp.cs.uu.nl/plot/ this is kinda interesting stuff [15:22]
assbot analysis of the strong set in the PGP web of trust [15:22]
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mircea_popescu (i am in the strong set. are you ?) [15:23]
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Mats_cd03 http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10135096/Kim-Dotcom-offers-5m-for-legal-help [15:34]
assbot Kim Dotcom offers $5m for legal help | Stuff.co.nz [15:34]
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mircea_popescu but is it in bitcoin [15:35]
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mircea_popescu "We are asking for information that proves unlawful or corrupt conduct by the US government, the New Zealand government, spy agencies, law enforcement and Hollywood" [15:37]
mircea_popescu but... i thought he already had it etc [15:37]
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pankkake how do you tell if you're in the strong set? [15:40]
mircea_popescu "The strong set is the largest set of keys such that for any two keys in the set, there is a path from one to the other." [15:41]
mircea_popescu basically the wot here enforces strong setness by default [15:42]
Mats_cd03 won't be in btc which is a shame [15:43]
mircea_popescu pankkake you're not in it. at least not with D9889CC0 [15:44]
Mats_cd03 7700BTC is a powerful incentive [15:44]
pankkake if you're on the website, then you're on the strong set [15:44]
pankkake I'm in it with other key(s) :) [15:45]
mircea_popescu neither is kako :D [15:45]
mircea_popescu pankkake prollybest link them then ? [15:45]
mircea_popescu neither is dub nor FabianB nor pigeons. but luke is http://pgp.cs.uu.nl/mk_path.cgi?FROM=2FB7B452&TO=21F4889F&PATHS=trust+paths [15:49]
assbot PGP trust paths : Mircea Popescu -> Luke Dashjr [15:49]
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pankkake I'd rather not sign it, pankkake is an anonymous entity [15:51]
mircea_popescu oic. [15:52]
pankkake perhaps I could let other anonymouses I met IRL sign me, but how do they check I am myself?! [15:52]
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pankkake (though my old key was signed by a person I've known for years) [15:52]
pankkake and it is in the strong set. I guess I could get in there by signing the old key in the other direction [15:52]
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mircea_popescu check this shit out, otherthan luke and peter todd, nobody in my bitcoin wot is in the pgp strong set [15:57]
mircea_popescu yer all a buncher newbs! [15:57]
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los_pantalones mircea_popescu what's a strong set? [16:08]
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mircea_popescu los_pantalones http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2014#709988 [16:09]
assbot #bitcoin-assets log [16:09]
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los_pantalones tyvm [16:13]
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dR3 thx jurov [16:36]
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jurov dR3 you got your half hour of glory, speak up :) [16:38]
kakobrekla argle bargle im not a newb im just anon. [16:38]
jurov today is IPO, tomorrow is glory [16:41]
mircea_popescu lol [16:42]
mircea_popescu jurov what ipo is that ? [16:42]
jurov http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.LIMBS [16:43]
assbot MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange. [16:43]
mircea_popescu lol [16:43]
jurov https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=591901.0 also [16:43]
assbot Now is Time, tomorrow IS glory = IPO people [16:43]
mircea_popescu lol k [16:44]
mircea_popescu lmao ok this is pretty great stuff [16:44]
fluffypony that was my favourite [16:45]
fluffypony I really enjoyed that [16:46]
mircea_popescu we still don;t know who these are ? [16:47]
fluffypony I already said I was proslimbs_inc [16:49]
fluffypony but nobody pays attention [16:49]
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daybyter any java coder here interested in trading code? [16:54]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla a likely story :D [17:00]
mircea_popescu fluffypony arighjt right [17:00]
mircea_popescu pretty funny pony :D [17:00]
mircea_popescu any java coder here interested in trading code? << whoa just like the old days! [17:01]
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nubbins` hi [17:21]
mike_c hey nubbins`. how's life. [17:21]
FabianB mircea_popescu: the file is encrypted for you, can you reencrypt it with my key? [17:22]
nubbins` not bad, backing up & wiping my iphone so i can send it in for replacement [17:22]
nubbins` so which of you has been leaving ;;later tells for "nubbins" and "nubbins`i" [17:22]
nubbins` ;;notes [17:22]
gribble I currently have notes waiting for agentx24, anarkitty, bakinat, bcb, benkay, bitcoingirl, cevidad, congrats, davout, Immukization, Immuzikkation, jtrunerbtc, kyledrake, moiety, MurphyLawn, nubbins, nubbins`i, Phinnaeus, ryepdx, and ThickAsThieves. [17:22]
pankkake ;;notes nubbins [17:23]
gribble Sent 3 weeks, 3 days, 17 hours, and 9 minutes ago: chan clamors for -assets tshirt i recommend the disck surgery motive and Sent 2 weeks, 1 day, 23 hours, and 30 minutes ago: i have a couple of the lealana physical coins (2x10, 2x25) but i'm having a hard time figuring out what they're worth. could you point me in the right direction? [17:23]
pankkake ;;notes nubbins`i [17:23]
gribble Sent 2 weeks, 1 day, 23 hours, and 30 minutes ago: have a couple of the lealana physical coins (2x10, 2x25) but i'm having a hard time figuring out what they're worth. could you point me in the right direction? [17:23]
nubbins` o look [17:23]
nubbins` bitcoinpete is having a hard time figuring out a few things [17:23]
nubbins` ;;later tell bitcoinpete you're on your own with physical litecoins :( [17:23]
gribble The operation succeeded. [17:23]
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mike_c ;;seen thickasthieves [17:26]
gribble thickasthieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 15 hours, 8 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: raccoons are like idiot cats [17:26]
mike_c with rabies [17:26]
nubbins` and sensitive hands [17:26]
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penguirker New blog post: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/06/09/stranger-in-a-strange-land/ [17:35]
fluffypony xmj: around? [17:35]
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penguirker New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/spoondoolies-tech-sp30-yukon-specifications-leaked-bitcoin-mining-taken-next-evolution/ [18:07]
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dignork there is some nonsense in spoondoolies article, for example BeagleBoneBlack [18:17]
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pankkake why? [18:18]
dignork it doesn't have BB, there is an ARM chip embedded on the main board [18:19]
thestringpuller fluffypony: around? [18:19]
dignork also it's funny to call a "leak" something that is published on their site in specs :) [18:19]
fluffypony well I'm trying to lose weight, but I suppose you could call me a round [18:19]
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Apocalyptic also it's funny to call a "leak" something that is published on their site in specs :) // gotta attract the audience [18:22]
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dignork Apocalyptic: yep, probably it's a company PR anyway, just executed by someone clueless [18:23]
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benkay dunno jurov, every time i go to pull up coinbr...prostitutes. [18:44]
dignork so is the http://www.coindesk.com/details-spondoolies-tech-new-bitcoin-mining-asic-leaked-online/ claiming a leak of ASIC specs - hint: they where published on bitcointalk in april [18:45]
assbot Details of New Spondoolies-Tech Bitcoin Mining ASIC Leaked Online [18:45]
jurov benkay you tend to think the siren is a whore? [18:45]
benkay no man i swear there's something weird in the dns [18:46]
benkay all i get is whores [18:46]
benkay not bitcoins [18:46]
benkay it's a mystery [18:46]
jurov O.o [18:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27887 @ 0.00084992 = 23.7017 BTC [-] {2} [18:47]
benkay http://goo.gl/rQBclV [18:47]
assbot Madonna - Like a Prayer [Official Music Video] - YouTube [18:48]
dignork benkay: for me it resolves to 54.247.173.21, no whores, only siren. what am i doing wrong? [18:49]
benkay i'm just messing with you, jurov. i've never actually succeeded in piping hookers over the internet. [18:50]
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jurov i succeeded making my boss to [18:53]
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jurov i was explaining to him whatvV "wiki" is [18:53]
jurov he typed "viki" into google and automatically clicked first result [18:53]
jurov he got desktop changed into cunts and bookmarks and everything [18:54]
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mike_c "i'm feeling lucky" ftw [18:54]
benkay skimpy logs. mike_c i'm taking a page out of your book and reading berkshire letters over coffee... [18:55]
benkay 3000 words, once per year. that's a pace i could sustain... [18:55]
mike_c 1965 - 76 aren't online, but the ebook is only $3. [18:56]
mike_c somebody prolly has them posted somewhere if you look around. [18:56]
mike_c all are worthwhile reading. [18:56]
benkay ebook stretches back to 1965? [18:59]
mike_c yeah [18:59]
mike_c interesting because the early years are him digging his way out of his first mistakes (buying a textile company) [18:59]
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kakobrekla thats why its not on printed editions. [19:01]
mike_c hehe. he's actually pretty good about beating himself up. [19:01]
mike_c which is easier when you are the controlling shareholder. [19:01]
benkay http://www.rbcpa.com/web_letters/web_letters_pre_berkshireturnedoff.html [19:03]
assbot Warren Buffett Letters to Partners 1959 - 1969 [19:03]
mike_c interesting. those aren't the B/H letters, but those look good too. [19:04]
benkay "There are undoubtedly more mercurially-tempered people in the stock market now than for a good many years, and the duration of their stay will be limited to how long they think profits can be made quickly and effortlessly." [19:04]
benkay so those are the 'buffet partnership letters' [19:05]
benkay and not the 'berkshire hathaway letters'? [19:05]
benkay bah it pains me to give amazon money [19:05]
benkay i hate these four-hour-fuckers [19:05]
mike_c yes. buffet partnership, ltd bought B/H in 65 [19:06]
benkay build a real company [19:06]
benkay i'm calling it a business expense. the business buys all sorts of stupid fiat scams all the time. [19:07]
benkay hey mike you do dev work in the states - have you ever gone in for errors and omissions insurance? [19:07]
benkay mike_c: [19:07]
mike_c i don't do contract work. i've got some other insurance covering me, D&O or something [19:07]
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thestringpuller !MPIF [19:18]
thestringpuller !mpif [19:18]
assbot BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021703 BTC (Total: 434.06 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021725 BTC [+] [19:18]
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gribble 13.0769230769 [19:20]
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thestringpuller !jd mpif [19:23]
assbot Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 170.47920326 BTC; -0.03277293 BTC (-0.0192%) since last check 8h 41m 3s ago. [19:23]
nubbins` dat loss [19:23]
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pankkake assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PROV] 56 @ 0.002 = 0.112 BTC {3} ← this tells everything. 3 transactions for 0.1 BTC [19:27]
pankkake .foundation is a newly approved TLD [19:31]
pankkake bitcoin.foundation already taken :( [19:31]
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mike_c grab altcoin.foundation. it'll be priceless. [19:31]
nubbins` mario kart 8 is too easy :( [19:33]
pankkake not priceless, it costs ~20€ :p not counting the whois protections if available [19:33]
fluffypony lol [19:33]
fluffypony pankkake: whilst you're checking, is dogecoin.foundation available? [19:33]
fluffypony *cue evil laugh* [19:34]
pankkake taken :( [19:34]
pankkake as well as litecoin.foundation. fuckers [19:34]
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fluffypony dammit [19:35]
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jurov try bitcoin.surgery [19:44]
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nubbins` jurov lel [19:51]
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Mats_cd03 how do you recover data from an SSD with a failed microcontroller [20:12]
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fluffypony Mats_cd03: you need someone that can do this with a replacement microcontroller - http://elm-chan.org/docs/wire/wiring_e.html [20:19]
assbot ELM - Extreme Wiring on the Prototyping Board [20:19]
Mats_cd03 what am i looking at [20:20]
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fluffypony soldering [20:22]
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pankkake http://www.coindesk.com/succeed-bitcoin-startup/ please rename coindesk to facedesk [20:25]
assbot How to Succeed With Your Bitcoin Startup [20:25]
fluffypony pankkake: have you seen the comment? [20:26]
fluffypony "Don't sell your soul to VC if you don't have to. Try community funding first. [20:26]
fluffypony I'm sure people would buy shares like crazy if you issue them as colored coins (if the idea is good)." [20:26]
fluffypony l.o.l. [20:27]
pankkake my javascript blocking rules don't show comments there [20:27]
pankkake "if the idea is good" oh god :( [20:27]
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benkay new work shipped. http://survantjames.com/ , click "Tozny" [20:28]
assbot Survant James - Design & Engineering [20:28]
benkay mircea_popescu doesn't get to see it without js sorry boss [20:30]
pankkake "our works" works, but not clicking on tozny. I don't see why that couldn't be possible [20:30]
fluffypony benkay: nice, looks pretty [20:32]
mike_c clicking tozny worked for me [20:34]
benkay mike_c: where is this berkshire ebook? [20:34]
mike_c http://www.amazon.com/Berkshire-Hathaway-Letters-Shareholders-Buffett/dp/1595910778 [20:35]
assbot Berkshire Hathaway Letters to Shareholders, 2012: Warren Buffett, Max Olson: 9781595910776: Amazon.com: Books [20:35]
pankkake I have an un-drmed azw3 for the interested. can be easily converted to epub [20:36]
benkay pankkake: it pops a modal. maybe one of the designers knows how to make it happen without js, but that's like 0.001% of potential clients. [20:36]
benkay dorp i didn't see the "kindle 3 dollars" button [20:36]
mike_c it moves around a lot when i click the client boxes [20:36]
benkay pankkake: i'm interested. [20:36]
mike_c why jerk up the 'our work' header? [20:36]
pankkake if you buy an ebook on amazon, you hate your freedoms :) [20:36]
Mats_cd03 what makes you qualified to audit cryptography [20:36]
mike_c $3 for an ebook sounds like the right price to me. [20:37]
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mike_c paying $20 for an ebook means you hate freedom (and children) [20:37]
fluffypony and puppies [20:37]
pankkake a format that works only with amazon's reader and comes with drm, that's an horrible combo [20:38]
pankkake http://wikisend.com/download/960424/ first time I use the thing, tell me if it doesn't work [20:38]
assbot Wikisend: free file sharing service [20:38]
mike_c idk, i'm not in the 'everything should be free' camp. [20:38]
fluffypony makes two of us [20:39]
pankkake I buy stuff I can own [20:39]
benkay Mats_cd03: we found the stuff as what was wrong and unfucked it. [20:39]
fluffypony xmj xmj xmj xmj xmj xmj xmj [20:39]
* fluffypony kicks xmj in the balls [20:39]
mike_c you can't own trilema pages. gotta rent them. [20:40]
pankkake I can save them if I want to, and it's not trying to forbid it [20:40]
mike_c that is true. [20:40]
nubbins` y'know, i think bitcoin has actually soured my opinion of the concept of an "idea" [20:41]
pankkake we need the bandcamp of ebooks: no account needed, pay and get un-drmed ebook in the format of your choice [20:41]
nubbins` well, maybe soured isn't the word [20:42]
nubbins` but i look at it a different way now [20:42]
benkay the value of the letters has already been delivered in berkshire stock appreciation [20:42]
nubbins` people say [20:42]
nubbins` "i had an idea the other day" [20:42]
benkay this ebook thing is a vehicle for this startupper to make money on others work [20:42]
nubbins` and i'm automatically uninterested [20:42]
benkay i had an idea: buy a datacenter in argentina. [20:42]
pankkake the letters are available for free, this is just a nicer packaging [20:43]
nubbins` they have data there? [20:43]
nubbins` also: they used an actual live jazz band for the music in mario kart 8 [20:43]
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benkay thanks pankkake seems good but haven't actually opened it yet [20:46]
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mircea_popescu FabianB on it [21:07]
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dignork mircea_popescu: not a working code yet, but might be a fancy extension to multibet: https://github.com/orisi/orisi/ [21:08]
assbot orisi/orisi GitHub [21:08]
mircea_popescu dignork gotta take that up with kakobrekla [21:09]
mircea_popescu im onlyhere for the cookies [21:09]
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dignork *bitbet, no idea what multibet is [21:10]
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mike_c dignork: what is it? [21:16]
dignork o dog, i know why the term looked familiar, mircea_popescu - forum cookies: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/xcp-ipo-announcement-dunnecapital-ltd-uk-bitcoin-exchange-and-a-casino.304299/ [21:16]
assbot [XCP] IPO announcement. DunneCapital LTD - UK bitcoin exchange and a casino | Bitcointa.lk [21:16]
mircea_popescu jurov: he typed "viki" << i typed viki and nothing happened [21:16]
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mircea_popescu SCAM [21:16]
dignork mike_c: the git thing? [21:16]
mike_c yeah [21:16]
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dignork it's partial implementation of "distributed oracle" [21:17]
jurov mircea_popescu: that was 7 or so years ago, google worked as advertised then [21:17]
mircea_popescu hehehe [21:17]
mircea_popescu anyway, the dunne thing, what about it dignork ? guy was briefly here about that time [21:17]
dignork so you have oracle bot that can be hacked/bribed w.e, but if you have multiple, it's assumed to be harder to do [21:17]
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dignork dunne is a dev of multibet [21:18]
mircea_popescu "Second set of drafts coming through tomorrow. Seen a little preview, already looking very sharp. After that, we refine and then program. Looking good for the one month ETA" [21:18]
mircea_popescu he's also stuck in the wrong paradigm. [21:18]
mircea_popescu bitcoin isn't web"dev". [21:18]
mircea_popescu pankkake: as well as litecoin.foundation. fuckers << dude who the fuck cares. [21:19]
dignork mircea_popescu: they open sourced their current code in git, assuming free security reviews, stopped watchig after that [21:19]
mircea_popescu a decade back they introduced .ro, ie, for romania. i laughed at them then, i'm still laughi8ng at them [21:20]
mircea_popescu "o no but you must get a romania tld". why ? [21:20]
mike_c dignork: but then you trusting the crowd of oracles to make the right decision. see rota for examples of that not working so well. [21:20]
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mircea_popescu fluffypony: l.o.l. << don't do something merely stupid. do something spectacularly stupid instead!!! and don't even mention the actually sane alternative, that's gonna hurt your feelings so it doesn't exist. [21:21]
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dignork mike_c: i think it's possible to make a multisig fund, where each oracle op drops some funds, these funds are deal insurance, but I didn't think it through completely [21:22]
dignork say they'll be redemed in case of detacted fraud [21:23]
mike_c it probably has good uses, but i wouldn't like bitbets decided by a vote. [21:23]
dignork *detected [21:23]
mike_c i'm not worried about fraud, more like bad decisions. [21:23]
mircea_popescu mike_c: idk, i'm not in the 'everything should be free' camp. << but the camp is "nothing should be amazon" [21:23]
pankkake I like Amazon for delivering physical items, they do it very well [21:24]
mircea_popescu nubbins`: y'know, i think bitcoin has actually soured my opinion of the concept of an "idea" << actual business experience in the company of actual business people has soured you on infantile bullcrap. neither bitcoin nor ideas particularly involved. [21:24]
punkman I think if bitbet provided an oracle service that might be handy for building things on, but I'm not about to trust some random dude's oracle [21:24]
mircea_popescu pankkake yeah. "nothing virtual shjould be amazon" [21:24]
dignork mike_c: maybe only subset of bets, which can be automatically verified, these bets are submitted without review, less work for bitbet op, more monies for turnover [21:25]
mircea_popescu punkman oracle service cost is unbound is the problem. [21:25]
punkman mircea_popescu: why? [21:25]
pankkake what kind of bets can be automatically verified? do you trust the source not to fuck up? [21:25]
pankkake ;;ticker --avg [21:26]
gribble 0 [21:26]
pankkake just an example [21:26]
mircea_popescu why is something not something else you ask me ? [21:26]
punkman in fact bitbet already provides an oracle service for free [21:26]
mircea_popescu because it isn't ? [21:26]
mircea_popescu maybe we don't mean the same thing by oracle then [21:26]
mircea_popescu how does your definition go ? [21:27]
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dignork pankkake: the oracle can work like : yes/no/idunnohumanplease [21:28]
punkman not the canonical one, more in the sense of these blockchain oracle constructions [21:28]
mircea_popescu ah [21:28]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.0250013 = 0.125 BTC [+] [21:28]
punkman anyway why not charge a fee to sign transactions when X bet resolves [21:28]
mircea_popescu um [21:29]
mircea_popescu what's that help ? [21:29]
punkman if there's interest, you can also provide answers to things that aren't worth betting on [21:29]
mircea_popescu that's ok, question that aren';t worth betting on aren't worth answering. [21:29]
mircea_popescu and anyone can trivially be charged a fee for finding out when x bet resolves : he sends a bet to a virgin address [21:30]
mircea_popescu when btc makes it to that address the bet resolved. [21:30]
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punkman this is not a new idea, this was an early implementation https://earlytemple.com:8181/ [21:39]
assbot Early Temple [21:39]
punkman what I'm describing is more like escrow than oracle I guess [21:39]
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mircea_popescu punkman maybe if you explained the usecase ? [21:39]
punkman I did a later tell [21:40]
mircea_popescu i got it. that's not really a usecase th [21:40]
mircea_popescu o [21:40]
Namworld So where was I in my half-asleep/half-daydreaming hypothetical nonsense scenarios? [21:41]
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asciilifeform http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/10/us/couple-in-las-vegas-killings-embraced-anti-government-ideology.html [21:46]
assbot Log In - The New York Times [21:46]
fluffypony even assbot is paywall'd [21:47]
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Namworld Hmm, another Havelock IPO... [21:49]
benkay "disliking the usg makes you a bad person" [21:49]
Namworld "Our 28nm ASIC design architecture dubbed the “Creator” to be used at the foundry level allows for simultaneous production of the 1TH “Creator 1” Bitcoin ASIC, 256GH “Creator 2” Bitcoin ASIC and the 4MH “Creator 3” SCRYPT ASIC from the same wafer batch. This unique ability, and the lower costs associated with the FDSOI process, lends Provenance ASIC a competitive advantage [21:50]
Namworld with regards to $/GH/W and unparalleled ASIC diversification with essentially three different ASIC products available from one production batch." [21:50]
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Namworld Anyone that knows about the ASIC design process, how non-sensical is that statement? [21:51]
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asciilifeform Namworld: not entirely nonsensical. see the story of the intel 486 dx - and many subsequent chips [21:55]
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Namworld Eh [21:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43400 @ 0.00085517 = 37.1144 BTC [+] {2} [21:59]
mircea_popescu Namworld not bad, on paper. [21:59]
thestringpuller In bitcoin: "A scam until proven innocent by a court of #bitcoin-assets" [22:00]
mircea_popescu course so far that's correlated moreover negatively over the history of bitcoin miner manufacturers [22:00]
Namworld So sale pitches are improving in quality. [22:01]
mircea_popescu nevertheless, it's unclear to me what exact benefit would this be. if you can make 1 th asics, you can sell 1 th asics. [22:01]
mircea_popescu if you can make 1/4 th, you can idem sell those. [22:01]
mircea_popescu the advantage of making both "in the same batch" is quite unclear, not like you'd be stuck with batches of like, 3 full and 7 1/4s [22:02]
mircea_popescu as large as your batch can conceivably be, you'll sell it, either full or quarter. [22:02]
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mircea_popescu !up hdbuck [22:02]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: advantage of making both in same batch -> you do it whether you want to or not. process yield. [22:03]
mircea_popescu at any rate, silicon on insulator, and especially on 28nm, is ANYTHING but low cost. [22:03]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform that too. [22:03]
mircea_popescu Namworld anyway, ask them if they use saphire or not. the answer will be informative. [22:04]
Namworld Eheheh, I was looking at that part on wikipedia, reading up on FDSOI. Wondering what's the point of it if it's an expensive process. [22:09]
hdbuck mircea_popescu hello MP, thx for the voice up, i came here with the hope you could help me apprehend that blockchain size issue (& considering it is an issue). been reading tons of articles about that and people talks about 'industrial' supernodes and/or 'restructuring' Bitcoin.. cant make up my mind whether thats good or bad tho. any inputs? :) [22:10]
Namworld Seems it has uses in compact electronics. For Bitcoin mining, you don't need compact performance, space is cheap. [22:10]
Namworld Ah, I see the part about Sapphire. The answer would be informative indeed. [22:11]
benkay hdbuck: if you can't afford the space to store the blockchain, what are you doing in btc anyways? [22:12]
benkay hdbuck: there's also SPV, but I'm not entirely certain how that actually works. [22:12]
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hdbuck benkay its not my personnal storing that i am concerned with. i am just wondering if this issue wont harm bitcoin on the long run. [22:13]
Namworld The blockchain ain't all that big yet... [22:13]
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hdbuck saw pretty pessimistic articles about that matter regarding the long run of Bitcoin. plus those core devs seem not to have a clue about what's going to happen - so i figured.. you guys should know better! ^^ [22:16]
diametric I have to admit, its annoying getting a fresh copy of the blockchain in a new client, even though I have the space, and I have 75Mbit internet, it still takes over 2 days. [22:16]
benkay hdbuck: how can you hurt bitcoin? [22:16]
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diametric though I've never tried any of the bootstrap methods [22:16]
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benkay it simply exists. [22:16]
benkay blockchain monotonically increases in size. this is a fact of reality. [22:17]
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Namworld Well assuming storage capacity keeps increasing at current rate, and that population growth is doubling much less often than computing capacity... [22:18]
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hdbuck benkay : well, some argue that the more the blochain size increase, the less people would actually download it to use bitcoins. other also argue that it would give more power to supernodes, centralising bitcoin, which was something that bitcoin was suppose to oppose. or is it just the NSA and co that will run Bitcoin once it get too big? ^^ [22:22]
Namworld It might be a problem for a short while. Assuming we reach saturation of usage, it might grow almost linearly, at least compared to storage capacity growth. Even if population growth and associated usage is exponential, the exponent is much lower than storage growth. [22:22]
benkay benkay : well, some argue that the more the blochain size increase, the less people would actually download it to use bitcoins // you're conflating "fewer people using btc" with "bad for btc". this has yet to be established. [22:23]
Namworld I'm somewhat expecting the blockchain size to eventually become negligible. [22:24]
Namworld The thing is current adoption rate is increasing much faster than storage capacity, so it's catching up and becoming large in today's standards. [22:25]
hdbuck benkay: ah i know you guys think of it as gold 2.0 which is not meant for the average joe to come around with but i am just not sure how this will all play out. :/ [22:27]
benkay hdbuck: are you ignoring the SPV thing? [22:27]
benkay you don't need a blockchain to accept/send btc. [22:27]
benkay ;;gettrust hdbuck [22:27]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user hdbuck: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=hdbuck | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=hdbuck | Rated since: never [22:27]
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Namworld Blockchain is 18GB. It was 8 last year. We currently have not too expensive disk 4000GB hard disks. [22:28]
benkay i imagine you're just a random joe not in the web of trust, hdbuck ? [22:28]
Namworld We will probably reach usage saturation and blockchain will grow too slowly compared to storage doubling in capacity much before blockchain doesn't fit in a single recent consumer grade drive. [22:29]
benkay some day you'll need an entire DC for the blockchain. what of it? [22:30]
Namworld Yeah blockchain is big. But storage capacity and computing power is increasing very rapidely and exponentially. Much faster the the amount of worldwide transactions. [22:30]
Namworld than the* [22:30]
Namworld benkay, you would eventually need an entire DC assuming computer components stopped improving every year. [22:31]
BingoBoingo benkay: Nah, storage capacities are growing too fast and have too much of a head start. It will probably fit on a single hard drive for at least another decade. It's just... Parsing the block chain as a full node will probably require more thoroughput than a single drive offers. [22:31]
hdbuck benkay: ahah yes probably. im some humble average joe not very used to that WOT thing sry.. trying to learn tho ^^ [22:32]
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asciilifeform wonder if anyone else has toyed with the idea of hardware purpose-built to store blockchain. think ssd, but write-only (antifuse! etc) [22:33]
benkay !up hdbuck [22:33]
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benkay hdbuck: if you're serious about wanting to learn, start with gpg. get into the wot, get a rating, lurk or derp in here as you see fit. [22:34]
asciilifeform standardize calendar sync. and snippet length - so if you own one, you will always know if it works - compare to another one for same time period [22:34]
benkay no crime in being wrong, i do it all the time. there's plenty of larnin' to go around. [22:34]
Namworld I expect it to go like this -> adoption keeps going up fast, blockchain grows faster and faster, people get worried, we reach saturation of usage, blockchain growth starts looking linear, storage capacity keeps doubling every few years, people stop worrying. [22:34]
Mats_cd03 seems like this is a solved problem with SPV [22:34]
benkay i'm highlighting that in a worst case scenario it's not a problem and also as Mats_cd03 and i have and keep pointing out - not a problem to begin with even. [22:35]
Namworld Blockchain keeps fitting on a single drive as long as it's regularly upgraded to a recent one and start looking smaller and smaller. [22:35]
benkay ('cause SPV). [22:35]
asciilifeform storing bits that never need to flip again ought to be technologically simpler - on basic physical level - than the normal kind. [22:35]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I've put some though into it. [22:35]
hdbuck benkay: alright, thanks man - i'll check MP's guide. :) [22:35]
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benkay failing that, you can use a btc addr as well. [22:36]
asciilifeform one basic function in such a gadget is that it ought to be able to compare itself, via direct electrical wiring, to another one purporting to be identical. [22:36]
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Mats_cd03 it seems like the world desperately needs a well documented SPV client [22:37]
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BingoBoingo Mats_cd03: Good place to start would be forking an older version of Multibit and BitcoinJ watching out for slop [22:38]
Mats_cd03 i like where the project bit-c is right now [22:39]
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Namworld What's bit-c? [22:46]
BingoBoingo http://www.forbes.com/sites/perianneboring/2014/06/09/the-boring-bitcoin-report-june-9/ Ms Boring forgot to make the distinction between the two Erik ventures [22:46]
assbot The Boring Bitcoin Report: June 9 - Forbes [22:46]
BingoBoingo Mats_cd03: Bit-c looks like it is headed somewhere nice, but it's useful to compare how all of these things are approaching the SPV problem [22:47]
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benkay ;;later tell bitcoingirl honey you gotta do better than that. voorhees got in trouble for feedzebirds and not satoshidice - mostly 'cause DICE was listed on the SRO MPEx. [22:51]
gribble The operation succeeded. [22:51]
Namworld If he got in trouble for dice, the settlement would have been much larger. [22:53]
BingoBoingo ^ [22:53]
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Mats_cd03 i'm slowly adding features to it [22:55]
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Mats_cd03 will commit when ready [22:55]
Mats_cd03 er, i guess its push instead of commit [22:57]
benkay no get it right you issue a "pull request" [23:02]
benkay sheesh [23:02]
benkay and it's not git it's gitHUB [23:02]
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thestringpuller WHOA WHOA WHOA [23:02]
jurov benkay i pointed her to bingo§s article, and later told that explicitly, looks like she could not be helped [23:02]
thestringpuller mah nigga [23:02]
thestringpuller smickles !!!!!!!! [23:03]
smickles ME!!!!!!! [23:03]
thestringpuller the little one must be walking by now [23:03]
smickles indeed [23:03]
thestringpuller haha. my how time flies [23:04]
smickles and climbing [23:04]
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smickles I have taken over the bitcoin corp in eve [23:04]
benkay !b 1 [23:04]
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thestringpuller XD [23:04]
smickles lol, what did that do benkay ? [23:05]
benkay http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com [23:06]
assbot #bitcoin-assets bash [23:06]
smickles so my statement about 1Bitcoin is noteworthy :) [23:06]
TomServo Was this a hostile takeover? :D [23:07]
jurov you have the time for eve??? [23:07]
smickles It was not so fun as a hostile takeover [23:07]
Mats_cd03 have you pillaged all of the space ships and raped all of the women [23:08]
smickles I have found time for the less attention intensive aspects of the game [23:08]
smickles there isn't really a woman raping game mechanic [23:09]
smickles I could buy exotic dancers or prostitutes and jetison them into space. [23:09]
benkay http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=146 << repent, sinner! [23:09]
assbot #bitcoin-assets bash [23:09]
smickles that's about as close as it gets [23:09]
Namworld @smickles hahaha [23:10]
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benkay !up ninjashogun [23:12]
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benkay look who i found [23:12]
benkay or found me, i guess [23:12]
BingoBoingo Oh noes!!! [23:13]
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bitstein The appcoin fraudsters attempt to defend themselves: http://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/the-value-of-app-coins [23:18]
assbot The Value of App Coins | Lets Talk Bitcoin [23:18]
fluffypony http://twitchy.com/2014/06/09/rape-culture-wins-feminist-freakout-after-miss-nevada-dares-suggest-self-defense-training-for-women/ [23:18]
assbot ‘Rape culture wins’: Feminist freakout after Miss Nevada dares suggest self defense training for women | Twitchy [23:18]
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smickles i don't think i've knowingly encountered a society of rapists [23:21]
ThickAsThieves oh, but those times you weren't aware! [23:24]
princessnell feminists have again come full circle: attacking a beauty queen for insuffiently supporting patriarchy [23:26]
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ThickAsThieves where does one learn to rape? [23:27]
ThickAsThieves because they really need to stop teaching it [23:27]
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fluffypony ThickAsThieves: agreed [23:28]
fluffypony they should shut down Rape Schools across the country [23:28]
fluffypony and fire those Rape Teachers [23:28]
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dub princessnell: wat [23:29]
BingoBoingo %book [23:30]
atcbot 40k@278 28k@277 2k@270 | 4k@144 50k@143 175k@142 [23:30]
princessnell dub saying "men are responsible for women's safety" is a patriarchal notion [23:30]
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dub so one half of our sepcies should require additional training to protect its ass from the other half? [23:32]
princessnell are you asking me my opinion? [23:32]
dub no need [23:33]
dub women dont need to rely on men not to be rapists! [23:34]
mircea_popescu dude 32 gb ram is pretty cool [23:34]
mircea_popescu hdbuck what you mean specifically ? [23:34]
mircea_popescu !up hdbuck [23:34]
-assbot- You voiced hdbuck for 30 minutes. [23:34]
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mircea_popescu how goes nellie ? [23:35]
princessnell good! just finished an article for tomorrow. how are you? still on your rainbow tour? [23:36]
mircea_popescu diametric: I have to admit, its annoying getting a fresh copy of the blockchain in a new client, even though I have the space, and I have 75Mbit internet, it still takes over 2 days. << i keep a master copy like the holy fucking scriptures. which is what it is anyway [23:36]
mircea_popescu princessnell nah, settled down. [23:36]
diametric mircea_popescu: thats probably a good idea to start doing. perhaps keep it on a usb stick on my keys or something, gets updated when i plug it in. [23:37]
mircea_popescu hdbuck: benkay : well, some argue that the more the blochain size increase, the less people would actually download it to use bitcoins. other also argue that it would give more power to supernodes, centralising bitcoin, which was something that bitcoin was suppose to oppose. >> bitcoin was never intended for "people" in the sense of reddit derps, and bitcoin was never intended to oppose centralism. it was intended to [23:38]
mircea_popescu oppose the ~wrong~ sort of centralism, ie, centralism in the hands of the more or less representative, more or less elected representatives of "people" as in, reddit derps. [23:38]
mircea_popescu instead, bitcoin favours centralism in the hands of unelected and unaccountable, unrepresentative lords. [23:38]
hdbuck mircea_popescu hey man, hum its just i was kinda concerned with supernodes and the people that will run them once the BC's size would be too big for the average person to handle. [23:38]
mircea_popescu as the world and everything else was meant to work in the first place. [23:38]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: one day, people will encode checkpoint hashes of blockchain as human poetry. [23:39]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform likely. [23:39]
bitstein "Centralization" is a vapid term without a sound theory of monopoly and competition. [23:40]
princessnell mircea_popescu right vs wrong centralism is what my article tomorrow is about. but as you know i am a gentle touch. [23:42]
hdbuck mircea_popescu i get your point, but i aint seing Bitcoin being rightfully centralised ATM. [23:42]
princessnell hbduck look around! [23:42]
mircea_popescu princessnell we can't all bne assholes [23:43]
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mircea_popescu hdbuck well what makes you think you have any sort of a vantage point ? [23:43]
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mircea_popescu Namworld says " Assuming we reach saturation of usage", I read " Assuming we reach saturation of usagi" and i'm all like "wtf is he on about, i'm all saturated" [23:44]
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hdbuck mircea_popescu hum i dont, just wondering here and there.. looking for answers :) [23:45]
mircea_popescu benkay: you don't need a blockchain to accept/send btc. << not to mention the coinbr thing. he really doesn't need the blockchain at all. [23:45]
mircea_popescu hdbuck dun take it too personally. [23:45]
Namworld What the hell? That's one hell of a misread. [23:46]
mircea_popescu diametric> mircea_popescu: thats probably a good idea to start doing. perhaps keep it on a usb stick on my keys or something, gets updated when i plug it in. << or on a 4 redundant raid array, under concrete. [23:46]
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mircea_popescu just one letter, nimworld :D [23:46]
diametric just talking about the blockchain, not my keys. [23:46]
smickles oh my, is usagi still a thing? [23:46]
mircea_popescu diametric yea i know. [23:46]
Namworld Not as in far off, but as in really weird result. [23:47]
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mircea_popescu it's the fucking scriptures you understand, if we all manage to lose the chain at the same time we're fucked. [23:47]
hdbuck mircea_popescu im not taking anything personnally, i really appreciate your inputs man.. the average propaganda almost got me with their Carebears and unicorns. i'd rather being insulted for my stupidity than thrown a lollipop in my mouth ^^ [23:47]
mircea_popescu a sugar frosted shittypop [23:47]
asciilifeform to deliberately torment the btc-is-eeekvality crowd: WORM storage gizmo suggested as gedankenexperiment earlier could easily accept updates signed with hardcoded key from liege-lord [23:47]
mircea_popescu smickles definitely. [23:47]
mircea_popescu where was that link to recent derpage again... [23:48]
mircea_popescu gib it to me fluffypony [23:48]
fluffypony which derpage? [23:48]
smickles even if all but a few lost the chain, i would be very suspicious of that few [23:48]
mircea_popescu smickles https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=631605.msg7070591#msg7070591 [23:49]
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fluffypony smickles: make sure you watch the video [23:49]
mircea_popescu fluffypony you gibt it to me in the past :D [23:49]
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asciilifeform if all but a few lost the chain << no problem if we have... singable checkpoint hashes. [23:49]
mircea_popescu i guess i kinda walked right into that big cock... [23:49]
fluffypony LOL [23:49]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform zooko triangle issue tho [23:50]
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mircea_popescu if they're singable they're prolly preimageable too [23:50]
smickles giving a thread title with [UnModerated] in it is like telling someone they are free [23:51]
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mircea_popescu benkay: i'm highlighting that in a worst case scenario it's not a problem and also as Mats_cd03 and i have and keep pointing out - not a problem to begin with even. << what happens to you once gb blocks ? [23:51]
asciilifeform how many times i see zooko triangle brought up as if it were physical law. [23:51]
mircea_popescu smickles he had a moderated one [23:52]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform i fear it is. [23:52]
mircea_popescu moar like riemann hypothesis. [23:52]
fluffypony smickles: http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=629755.0 [23:53]
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fluffypony moderated thread [23:53]
fluffypony http://bitcointa.lk/index.php?topic=629755.0 [23:53]
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fluffypony including deleted threads [23:53]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if i recall - szabo disagreed [23:53]
mircea_popescu he did. [23:53]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform: storing bits that never need to flip again ought to be technologically simpler - on basic physical level - than the normal kind. << this is a good point, and i imagine within the decade we will have special blockchain ssds being made. [23:54]
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nubbins` re: pgp keysigning party [23:55]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: just gotta bring back antifuse. it doesnt really get much simpler than antifuse. [23:55]
nubbins` PGP WoT...? [23:55]
mircea_popescu nubbins` yes [23:56]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes [23:56]
nubbins` of what use is this wot! [23:56]
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fluffypony nubbins`: it's a Web of PGP Signing Parties [23:56]
nubbins` no, i get what a WoT is [23:56]
pankkake f2fs would be a good candidate for blockchain storage. anyway, I'm in the "block size won't go up that much, things will happen offchain" camp [23:56]
nubbins` just wondering what possible benefit could be gained by being represented in the "pgp wot" mentioned in article [23:56]
mircea_popescu nubbins` it strengthens the quality of debian's signatures for instance. [23:57]
nubbins` i see [23:57]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i do confess that at one point i toyed with the idea of rom-like storage on consumer 35 (or 16)mm film. [23:57]
pankkake so you know you have the right sig. prevents mitm, because it's hard to mitm real life [23:57]
mike_c pankkake: once we all sign up for circle we won't need the blockchain. [23:57]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: Ms Boring forgot to make the distinction between the two Erik ventures << yeah not particularly inspiring. [23:57]
pankkake eheh [23:57]
pankkake s/right sig/right key/ [23:58]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: film lasts a good while, easy to copy and compare via low tech means [23:58]
mircea_popescu nubbins` it's more one of those "let's inject some power into otherwise worthy projects geeks had been dilligently holding afloat with a cuttingboard and a spatula over 30 years" [23:58]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform film lasts much less than you imagine. [23:58]
smickles I'm failing to see the value in this usagi crap and i didn't notice a video. I'm going to clean some dishes, easily worth more than reading about usagi [23:59]
mircea_popescu if you mean silver coloidal, it's utter shit. read up some time on the trouble hollywood has archiving, what itcosts, [23:59]
mircea_popescu how many were destroyed just to get rid of them [23:59]
mircea_popescu etc [23:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41492 @ 0.00085668 = 35.5454 BTC [-] {2} [23:59]
nubbins` film gets very unstable with time too [23:59]
mircea_popescu smickles wellyou asked. the value is lulz [23:59]
nubbins` great way to burn a house down [23:59]
mircea_popescu nubbins` that's the old nitro stuff. modern film no lonmger has the problem [23:59]
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