Forum logs for 09 Jan 2016

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51600 @ 0.00049334 = 25.4563 BTC [+] {3} [00:02]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla no. [00:04]
mircea_popescu this time, the antecedent transaction is clearly in the chain [00:04]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform never you mind the complaint of 20421a3f19. the point is, e6b8aa9ded itself. [00:04]
mod6 was 83e2b80e96919cb0b0186ff8ba7225d25535ad722ec5e2343a3a5927ef85d735 sent by trb? [00:05]
mircea_popescu yes. [00:05]
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mircea_popescu so basically, my node sent to trb nodes, trb nodes have it in memory but it's not being broadcast past them. [00:10]
mircea_popescu i would say this is proof positive that they are in fact isolated on the network, somehow. [00:10]
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mircea_popescu ima keep the present situation up, where they have monopoly on a juicy tx for a little longer in case anyone wants to trace the network/debug/whatever. but i can't keep it forever like this. [00:11]
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asciilifeform something is ~very~ wrong re: freenode [00:17]
asciilifeform it would seem that most of the relays are dead (or Great Firewalled off between where i stand and there) [00:17]
kakobrekla something is wrong with everything. [00:17]
asciilifeform and before this, i threw possibly a dozen lines in [00:18]
asciilifeform and they went nowhere [00:18]
asciilifeform with no server spew [00:18]
asciilifeform silent netsplit [00:18]
kakobrekla rethrow them. [00:18]
asciilifeform incidentally, it is quite likely, even for all 3 of my boxes, that mircea_popescu's node was able to connect to ask for the tx but not to send it. [00:18]
asciilifeform because there are dozens of leechers on each box, and the pile of shit has no notion of prioritization [00:18]
asciilifeform askfor tx e6b8aa9dedef74a7e896 1452300218000000 [00:18]
asciilifeform sending getdata: tx e6b8aa9dedef74a7e896 [00:18]
asciilifeform ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 20421a3f19 mapTransactions prev not found e6b8aa9ded [00:18]
asciilifeform ^ bucephalus [00:18]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: do you know for a fact (e.g., wireshark) that you are transmitting the tx ? [00:19]
asciilifeform and likewise, that it does not rely on a preceding tx that is not in a block ? [00:19]
asciilifeform because - remember! - if it relies on a tx that is NOT IN A BLOCK, that tx MUST be in my mempool [00:19]
asciilifeform or your tx gets thrown on the floor. [00:19]
asciilifeform then again, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363830 , hm [00:19]
assbot Logged on 09-01-2016 02:17:52; mircea_popescu: e6b8aa9dedef74a7e8961e0d997aebc35aae3c8e762a715336d84b39507c9773 is chained off 83e2b80e96919cb0b0186ff8ba7225d25535ad722ec5e2343a3a5927ef85d735 and you do see that. [00:19]
asciilifeform holy fuck, i'm netsplit silently ???? [00:19]
asciilifeform seeing mircea_popescu's replies in the logz, but NOTHING here [00:19]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363856 << just mine? or others also [00:20]
assbot Logged on 09-01-2016 03:08:08; mircea_popescu: so basically, my node sent to trb nodes, trb nodes have it in memory but it's not being broadcast past them. [00:20]
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asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu understand that, for while there are only a few trb nodes, and everyone knows where they are, it is entirely conceivable for traffic to be diddled in arbitrary ways in real time [00:26]
gribble The operation succeeded. [00:26]
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asciilifeform this could even mean that they would remain 'on the network' (pulling blocks on time, which all 3 presently are) but lose whatever mempool gibblets. [00:27]
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mircea_popescu tis weird tho. [00:37]
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mircea_popescu something is wrong with everything. << [00:37]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes, i know i'm transmitting. [00:38]
mircea_popescu and yes likewise, i gave the specifics above. [00:38]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7978 @ 0.00049042 = 3.9126 BTC [-] {2} [01:23]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00049436 = 15.7206 BTC [+] {4} [01:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00049486 = 2.4496 BTC [+] [01:48]
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massiro thank you. [02:10]
massiro said "isolated from the network". [02:12]
massiro this reminds me of sending tx with a high-S value. [02:12]
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massiro latest nodes never accept high-S value transactions and never relays it. [02:13]
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massiro i'm suspecting is using an old client and the old client makes txes with high-S values. [02:16]
danielpbarron !s low-s [02:18]
assbot 15 results for 'low-s' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=low-s [02:18]
massiro low-S is in the signature [02:19]
BingoBoingo massiro: creates either s, sometimes high, others low [02:20]
massiro in the past, the-eth-scam payout with txid ebc5d768... was using high-S, and modified/accepted txid 09e82c06... was with low-S. [02:21]
massiro yes. [02:21]
massiro S should be less than 0x7FFFFFFF... to be relayed by the network now. [02:23]
massiro if S is greater, doing S' = 0xFFFFFFFF FFFFFFFF FFFFFFFF FFFFFFFE BAAEDCE6 AF48A03B BFD25E8C D0364141 - S will fix it. [02:25]
massiro source: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0062.mediawiki#low-s-values-in-signatures [02:26]
assbot bips/bip-0062.mediawiki at master · bitcoin/bips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1UE4Q0h ) [02:26]
massiro If we make high-S txes, it never be relayed/mined by latest nodes. [02:28]
danielpbarron !s Wuille [02:29]
assbot 25 results for 'Wuille' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Wuille [02:29]
massiro and somebody will modify high-S to low-S. and the wallet will be corrupted. [02:33]
massiro i cannot see the content of e6b8aa9d... but it may have a high-S value. [02:34]
massiro in fact ebc5d768... was a "high-S" tx and the-eth-scam payout used ebc5d768 as input. [02:37]
massiro low-S-modified 09e82c06 was mined, so ebc5d768 became double spending. [02:39]
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BingoBoingo !up massiro ty [02:45]
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massiro So the solution is to use the latest client. [02:46]
danielpbarron what is the latest client? [02:48]
ben_vulpes solution imho is to make not mining these transactions economically suicidal [02:48]
massiro Bitcoin Core 0.11.2 . [02:49]
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danielpbarron massiro, are you not familiar with http://thebitcoin.foundation/ ? [02:53]
assbot ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JZPY9X ) [02:53]
massiro , i know it a little... that may create high-S. [02:54]
massiro If we don't want to use the latest client, we could do "createrawtransaction" and "signrawtransaction", check whether is has high-S or not by our eyes, and do "sendrawtransaction" to the network. [02:55]
danielpbarron heh, we don't. [02:56]
massiro , hahaha... [02:56]
danielpbarron so do you bet on bitbet? [02:58]
massiro yes. [02:59]
massiro sometimes. [02:59]
danielpbarron blissfully unware of the politics of bitcoin until it gets in the way of a payout? [03:00]
massiro I have known the politics at some extent... [03:04]
massiro and I think I'm conservative side such as a block size. [03:05]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00048828 = 3.8086 BTC [-] {2} [03:29]
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ben_vulpes good evening gabriel_laddel [03:51]
gabriel_laddel ben_vulpes: http://imgur.com/x80Y1RD [03:52]
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BingoBoingo ty [03:54]
ben_vulpes > nope.js [03:55]
ben_vulpes oh ho ho [03:55]
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ben_vulpes i am very much looking forward to experimenting with this [03:56]
ben_vulpes it's possible that lispy power-magnifying tentacles are the best way to wrap hands around big ugly workpiles like linux [03:57]
gabriel_laddel idk. sometimes I wish I'd gotten good with a slide rule instead. [03:59]
gabriel_laddel I've tried, a few times now to get a handle on linux and... [04:00]
gabriel_laddel well, I end up working on other stuff. [04:00]
gabriel_laddel ben_vulpes: do you have dedicated sales people at SJ? [04:01]
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gabriel_laddel Oh, and ben do you have any good reading material re rockets? I'm in the mood for something new. [04:18]
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punkman http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=X.Org-Domain-Woes [04:39]
assbot X.Org Might Lose Its Domain Name - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1VSrRO8 ) [04:39]
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punkman asciilifeform: ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 20421a3f19 mapTransactions prev not found e6b8aa9ded << I only have half a clue what's going on when I look at the code, but perhaps e6b8aa9ded is not actually chained off 83e2b80e96? I can't find 20421a3f19 on any block explorer, maybe it's another transaction only existing in mp's wallet. [05:33]
punkman code ref: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#805 [05:33]
assbot Satoshi asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1mKg0Gh ) [05:33]
phf gabriel_laddel: rockets < [05:34]
punkman and good god, all this implicitness is code is enough to drive a man crazy [05:35]
punkman *in code [05:35]
punkman where the fuck does "vin" come from for example [05:37]
punkman how does something called "prevout" refer to e6b8aa9ded and the bare GetHash() to 20421a3f19? [05:39]
punkman and if "prevout" is e6b8aa9ded why the hell does "if (!mapTransactions.count(prevout.hash))" fail??? you just received the thing [05:42]
trinque gabriel_laddel │ I've tried, a few times now to get a handle on linux and... << leave gentoo for dead; I couldn't be more pleased with OpenBSD. [05:44]
punkman /me would like a bsd machine [05:54]
punkman my tv runs on freebsd, but can't do anything there [05:54]
gabriel_laddel trinque: and the downsides are..? [06:01]
gabriel_laddel drivers, iirc [06:01]
trinque have yet to run into any such [06:01]
gabriel_laddel so what exactly is it that you're pleased with? [06:02]
gabriel_laddel is the notion of dependency graph useful on *BSD [06:02]
trinque sure, ports is where portage gets its name after all, isn't it? [06:02]
trinque I am pleased with the fact that I ran an installer, and now I have a unix that actually does everything of which it claims to be capable. [06:04]
trinque including ZZZ, incidentally [06:04]
* trinque runs [06:04]
punkman http://i.imgur.com/4Bhz1FS.png [06:09]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1VSFY67 ) [06:09]
gabriel_laddel Has anyone played around with Zen, the CL X server, or does anyone have links to OLD X documentation / proggies that would be useful for debugging issues deep(?) in the X server / help me understand wtf the X protocol is? I googled around for X docs and found a mess. [06:11]
punkman ^ http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--iqNlzm34--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/195d26utm7m2rjpg.jpg [06:19]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1VSHlSh ) [06:19]
phf gabriel_laddel: anything that https://common-lisp.net/project/cmucl/doc/clx/ doesn't answer? [06:23]
assbot CLX Manual ... ( http://bit.ly/1VSHW6x ) [06:23]
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punkman http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35259429 [06:40]
assbot US Hellfire missile wrongly shipped to Cuba - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1SFsICg ) [06:40]
gabriel_laddel phf: I've browsed through it, but didn't find what I was looking for. Perhaps if I state my problem someone will know what I need. The goal is to 'fold' the whole notion of X client / server directly into CL function calls. I would like details of how *exactly* X talks to the hardware (Cee sources, yeah) and a large, obvious table as to what all the error codes / X requests are. [06:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7629 @ 0.00048828 = 3.7251 BTC [-] [06:42]
gabriel_laddel sciencemadness.org is really cool btw, thanks for the link. [06:48]
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phf gabriel_laddel: perhaps if you stated your problem! xlib is a handful of operations on top of blit, where zen emulates those same operations using opengl. exact details of x talking to hardware is completely outside of scope of xlib, since the whole point is abstract those away. [07:07]
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gabriel_laddel Unfortunately I may need to poke around "under the hood". There are two showstopping bugs in CLIM that crash the connection to the X server, and it is unclear why. [07:10]
gabriel_laddel That said, I've not really poked around the call stack. Could be missing something obvious. [07:13]
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jurov ;;calc 0.00021465*1.01 [07:57]
gribble 0.0002167965 [07:57]
jurov ;;calc 0.00021465/1.01 [07:57]
gribble 0.000212524752475 [07:57]
phf "in other news" http://tissuemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/TISSUE_Angga-Pratama_AP004-e1394983080154.jpg [08:07]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1OX5Qbl ) [08:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9287 @ 0.00048828 = 4.5347 BTC [-] [08:13]
punkman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbNgv0RCF0g [08:28]
assbot The Comet Is Coming - SLAMMIN - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OX89LG ) [08:28]
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mircea_popescu !up massiro [09:18]
-assbot- You voiced massiro for 30 minutes. [09:18]
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thestringpuller is there a way to coredump bitcoind without having to recompile with GDB symbols? I've recompiled it, but it's giving me "illegal instruction" error then closes out. No crash log. [09:19]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363898 << yeah, and this'd be a problem, apparently. [09:21]
assbot Logged on 09-01-2016 05:10:42; massiro: latest nodes never accept high-S value transactions and never relays it. [09:21]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller bt is your friend [09:25]
thestringpuller wait, if a high-S value transaction is written to block does that affect future tx's? [09:25]
massiro thestringpuller, once written in a block, it is valid because consensus is unchanged. [09:27]
massiro consensus is unchanged but the latest nodes never relay/mine high-S tx. [09:28]
thestringpuller okay now I see. yea anything after this was pulled https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6769 there is a low-s threshold [09:29]
thestringpuller i wonder if that caused the wallet issue? spend tx, confirmed under different hash, wallet is now borked? [09:30]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: i still need to run gdb to run bt no? [09:31]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller that was kakobrekla's theory as to what the problem was previously. however currently, there's a transaction that has 100 confirms, and it's being spent, and it still doesn't get through. so no, that couldn't be it. [09:31]
thestringpuller the power rangers seem to break more stuff than they fix [09:33]
mircea_popescu consensus!!111 [09:33]
mircea_popescu hey everyone : do you realise NEXT time you all "consensus" idly over some stupidity, it may mean MORE than 600 btc delayed for MORE than a week because of your agreement to "changes" ? [09:34]
mircea_popescu fucking stop and think about sometime before you agree with usg's moles about ever novel ways to fuck up the one thing that threatens their continuous existence. [09:34]
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massiro "there's a transaction that has 100 confirms" << what is the txid? this? : 09e82c06cc5fbe3c0f2c2b6a1f575e8ecbb2a92bb493ca3a318525b1eeabe2bd [09:38]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363830 [09:39]
assbot Logged on 09-01-2016 02:17:52; mircea_popescu: e6b8aa9dedef74a7e8961e0d997aebc35aae3c8e762a715336d84b39507c9773 is chained off 83e2b80e96919cb0b0186ff8ba7225d25535ad722ec5e2343a3a5927ef85d735 and you do see that. [09:39]
mircea_popescu that's what we're currently trying to debug. why the e6b8 one, which spends a single input from the 83e2 one, is not making it through. [09:39]
massiro can i have e6b8? i can check whether is has high-S. [09:40]
mircea_popescu i've been broadcasting it all night to the trb nodes, you can ask any of them, they should still have it in the memory. [09:41]
thestringpuller I don't recall this being a problem till Mt.Gox and Coinkite complianed. [09:41]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2016/no-such-labs-snsa-december-2015-statement/#selection-477.52-477.96 [09:41]
assbot No Such lAbs (S.NSA), December 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PkeLEh ) [09:41]
mircea_popescu yeah, until karpeles lied about an imaginary cause of stealing people's bitcoin, the other dudes working on wrecking bitcoin didn't have a good excuse. hurr durr. [09:42]
thestringpuller cause if tx is malleable and txid changes, you'll see it change in real time [09:43]
thestringpuller but addresses will still get their money [09:44]
thestringpuller ugh. i can't even. [09:44]
mircea_popescu you're not supposed to use "txids" for anything, but whatever. as discussed yest, this goes up all the way. [09:44]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363920 << sadly this system is like a tango of six things together, and one of them got way ahead of the others. especially of the block subsidy, which is still way WAY WAY too high. [09:46]
assbot Logged on 09-01-2016 05:46:31; ben_vulpes: solution imho is to make not mining these transactions economically suicidal [09:46]
mircea_popescu ironically, this is known of exponentials, they're "too low" in the early middle and too high in the end. but then again, it is known by people who know shit, such as how to design games that people enjoy playing, not by people who don't know jack, such as microsoft-excel based cryptographer-hermits. [09:47]
massiro mircea_popescu, sorry, i'm not familiar with trb nodes. [09:48]
mircea_popescu massiro follow the link, there's a list there selected for you. [09:48]
mircea_popescu !rated massiro [09:48]
assbot massiro is not registered in WoT. [09:48]
mircea_popescu and maybe even get in the wot. [09:48]
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mircea_popescu !up massiro [09:49]
-assbot- You voiced massiro for 30 minutes. [09:49]
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mircea_popescu so i don't have to keep doing this. [09:49]
massiro which link? http://bitcoin-assets.com/? [09:50]
assbot #bitcoin-assets | You cannot stop the clouds by the building of a ship. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pkf7eh ) [09:50]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2016/no-such-labs-snsa-december-2015-statement/#selection-477.52-477.96 [09:50]
assbot No Such lAbs (S.NSA), December 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PkeLEh ) [09:50]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363931 <<< hey, recall the last fork power rangers did ? the fucking miners are blessfully ignorant of bitcoin politics, what do you want from a random guy. [09:51]
assbot Logged on 09-01-2016 05:58:13; danielpbarron: blissfully unware of the politics of bitcoin until it gets in the way of a payout? [09:51]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363937 << o wow, gabriel_laddel is actually making progress towards his ideal ? [09:52]
assbot Logged on 09-01-2016 06:50:33; gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: http://imgur.com/x80Y1RD [09:53]
mircea_popescu femlisp lessonmap fuck now i wanna see this thing. [09:53]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363951 << oh no you don't. fuck you, keep working on THAT thing wtf. [09:55]
assbot Logged on 09-01-2016 07:16:11; gabriel_laddel: Oh, and ben do you have any good reading material re rockets? I'm in the mood for something new. [09:55]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363953 << lol what the fuck are they going to do, "solution". is it really so hard to say "they fucked up, it's unfixable", must everything be packaged in this "hopefully the us army takes tikrit with two tootphicks and an empty tube of minty flavoured toothpaste" ? [09:58]
assbot Logged on 09-01-2016 07:36:52; punkman: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=X.Org-Domain-Woes [09:58]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363959 << heh. cheers. [09:59]
assbot Logged on 09-01-2016 08:32:46; punkman: and good god, all this implicitness is code is enough to drive a man crazy [09:59]
mircea_popescu "it can not be specified because we don't want to fix it because we don't want anyone to understand how it works because..." [10:00]
mircea_popescu "... then we'd be out of what we hope to be a very good job". welcome to the exact reason why we accepted "intellectual property" in the first place. and now here we sit, both with the problem unresolved and with the massive infrastructure of the not-working fix for it in place. hurr durr, i wonder what's the problem with western civilisation. it must be the womenz fucking niggaz! [10:01]
punkman mircea_popescu: i've been broadcasting it all night to the trb nodes, you can ask any of them, they should still have it in the memory. << they seem to be rejecting it, so maybe pastebin the raw transaction [10:02]
mircea_popescu mno, they accepted one and rejected the rest (which is unsurprising for trb, seeing how the rest were chained on the one) [10:03]
massiro could you issue "getrawtransaction e6b8aa9dedef74a7e8961e0d997aebc35aae3c8e762a715336d84b39507c9773" [10:03]
mircea_popescu not trivially. [10:04]
punkman mircea_popescu: likely nobody has e6b8aa9ded in their mempool [10:04]
mircea_popescu punkman we know for a fact everyone in trb DOES have it in their mempool, actually. [10:05]
mircea_popescu this was established last night. [10:05]
punkman all I saw was the tx getting rejected in debug.logz [10:05]
mircea_popescu you prolly should re-read the discussion. [10:06]
punkman maybe another silent netsplit? [10:06]
mircea_popescu alf was quoting his node receiving getdatas for it. [10:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25550 @ 0.00048534 = 12.4004 BTC [-] {5} [10:07]
punkman yes but burned as orphan http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363822 [10:07]
assbot Logged on 09-01-2016 02:16:12; asciilifeform: ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 20421a3f19 mapTransactions prev not found e6b8aa9ded [10:07]
mircea_popescu punkman mno. that is an unrelated issue of a 2nd tx. again, it's not surprising, seeing how trb handles chains. [10:15]
mircea_popescu (which was, if you recall, deliberate) [10:16]
punkman oic, I'll stop derping then [10:17]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363817 << this is the relevant part. [10:17]
assbot Logged on 09-01-2016 02:15:51; asciilifeform: sending getdata: tx e6b8aa9dedef74a7e896 [10:17]
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mircea_popescu since it is questioned about the tx and sends the tx, it necessarily knows about the tx [10:17]
mircea_popescu now, there MAY be something broken in there somewhere, but i'm not tooled to chase it. [10:17]
shinohai Still having BB payour woes :/ [10:17]
punkman thought those were 3 continuous lines from the logz [10:17]
shinohai *payout [10:17]
mircea_popescu possibly they are, i dunno. even so, they discuss two different things. [10:17]
punkman it does seem that if e6b8aa9ded was indeed in mempool, the error wouldn't say "not found e6b8aa9ded" [10:20]
mircea_popescu it does. [10:20]
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mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats [10:20]
gribble Current Blocks: 392484 | Current Difficulty: 1.0388034081545589E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 393119 | Next Difficulty In: 635 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 2 hours, 57 minutes, and 39 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [10:20]
mircea_popescu hey asciilifeform is dulap significantly (~100 blocks) behind the chain ? [10:21]
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mircea_popescu punkman but it's not necessarily surprising seeing the orphanage burner patch. [10:24]
mircea_popescu or at least that's what i think. [10:24]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363985 << that is actually a fucking great idea. [10:25]
assbot Logged on 09-01-2016 09:38:41; gabriel_laddel: phf: I've browsed through it, but didn't find what I was looking for. Perhaps if I state my problem someone will know what I need. The goal is to 'fold' the whole notion of X client / server directly into CL function calls. I would like details of how *exactly* X talks to the hardware (Cee sources, yeah) and a large, obvious table as to what all the error codes / X requests are. [10:25]
mircea_popescu !rated gabriel_laddel [10:25]
assbot You rated user gabriel_laddel on 11-Apr-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/arsttep.html http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/system.html so basically this asshole once decided he'll eat an exercise ball.. [10:25]
mircea_popescu !rated gabriel_laddel 2 almost a year later, he got a larger chunk of exercise ball down his gullet than anyone i know of. [10:26]
assbot You rated user gabriel_laddel on 11-Apr-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/arsttep.html http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/system.html so basically this asshole once decided he'll eat an exercise ball.. [10:26]
mircea_popescu !rate gabriel_laddel 2 almost a year later, he got a larger chunk of exercise ball down his gullet than anyone i know of. [10:26]
assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/19b3c59e78307eaf [10:26]
mircea_popescu !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.gabriel_laddel.2:285099d09e499df1658b7e4e6856a2674ffc19d177d10fe58f147f4c70924f54 [10:26]
assbot Successfully updated the rating for gabriel_laddel from 1 to 2 with note: almost a year later, he got a larger chunk of exercise ball down his gullet than anyone i know of. [10:26]
ben_vulpes ;;later tell gabriel_laddel no, no dedicated sales people yet. why do you ask? [10:28]
gribble The operation succeeded. [10:28]
ben_vulpes ;;later tell gabriel_laddel "ignition!" is a pretty choice read. [10:28]
gribble The operation succeeded. [10:28]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363995 << that's the sort of poky hipbone i dun like! [10:30]
assbot Logged on 09-01-2016 11:04:41; phf: "in other news" http://tissuemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/TISSUE_Angga-Pratama_AP004-e1394983080154.jpg [10:30]
mircea_popescu not going into the details of "if you don't know how to tie a woman, don't try and wing it for the derpy fishwrap that hired you because 'who'd ever know'. people know." [10:31]
jurov thestringpuller yes you have to recompile with -g or -ggdb. and not just bitcoin itself but all the libs [10:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00048087 = 4.3278 BTC [-] {2} [10:51]
thestringpuller jurov: do I change this in the make file? [11:02]
thestringpuller grrrr. there should be a "debug" version of the compilation process script [11:03]
jurov yes. and remove strip from stator.sh [11:03]
mircea_popescu heh derpy okcupid. it has this tab that goes "98 visitors average per week". meanwhile they only keep track of the ~100 most recent visitors. the oldest is from 5:59 am, today. the most recent from 8:57 am, also today. so in about 3 hours i get 100, but "on average" during a week i get 98. it's been pretty much like this for at least two weeks now, give or take 5k a week average each day, which they've been reporting a [11:04]
mircea_popescu s +- 100. i think it can be safely concluded that the number they report is simply a marketing gimmick, not connected to anything. [11:04]
thestringpuller so in make file I ad -g? [11:04]
thestringpuller add* [11:04]
jurov yes, to CFLAGS [11:04]
thestringpuller cool. [11:04]
thestringpuller p. sure my compy is just too old to run something new that ended up in this thing [11:05]
mircea_popescu that';s not really how it goes thestringpuller [11:05]
jurov http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/makefile.unix#0074 thestringpuller looks like it's already there, so just remove strip from stator.sh [11:07]
assbot Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/makefile.unix ... ( http://bit.ly/1RAEhKb ) [11:07]
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thestringpuller mircea_popescu: i kno. i'm just speculating madly. i keep getting "Illegal Instruction" so it just feels weird. [11:08]
mircea_popescu that's usually a sure sign of a bit of asm being unsuported. [11:09]
mircea_popescu the codebase does include some choice asm bits if memory serves. [11:09]
mircea_popescu alternatively : have you done the noob mistake of compiling for / on one platform, and trying to run on another ? [11:10]
mircea_popescu (this extends all the way to all the libraries involved, obv.) [11:10]
thestringpuller i'm compiling on the same machine I'm running it on. did the whole stator+rotor build here [11:10]
thestringpuller so i figured it only assemble something. maybe gcc is borked?!? [11:11]
thestringpuller (the one i'm using) [11:11]
mircea_popescu normally i'd say no, but the stuff we've been seeing... dunno anymore. [11:11]
thestringpuller how far does the rabbit hole go? [11:12]
mircea_popescu my money is still on "surprise crossplatform". [11:14]
thestringpuller well before I recompile the whole damn thing, lemme see what strace brings to the surface [11:15]
thestringpuller http://dpaste.com/1KFEQ7B.txt << strace results leading up to the crash [11:19]
thestringpuller "killed by SIGILL" which is the result from illegal instruction [11:19]
shinohai thestringpuller: what platform you compiling on? [11:26]
thestringpuller Linux machine-zero 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Tue May 13 16:34:35 UTC 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux [11:26]
thestringpuller Debian [11:26]
shinohai heh. [11:27]
shinohai Wonder why ppl are having debian issues lately, I must have tested this 500 times on various makes of debian [11:28]
mircea_popescu tis weird. [11:28]
shinohai I believe pete_dushenski 's issue was just trying to compile on a 32bit system tho, once he reimaged it worked fine. [11:29]
thestringpuller this is amd 3400+ [11:29]
mircea_popescu shinohai yeah. [11:29]
thestringpuller http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103023 << thst guy [11:29]
shinohai weird. I have never seen anything like what you report in strace. [11:32]
shinohai mebbe I can spin up a VM with that particular processor and see what it barfs out for me [11:33]
thestringpuller worth a try [11:38]
mircea_popescu sooo... acthung panzers, asciilifeform ben_vulpes mod6 : it is certain beyond any conceivable doubt the trb nodes are isolated - both the publicly advertised ones and at least one not publicly advertised, because lo! what used to be tx e6b8aa9dedef74a7e8961e0d997aebc35aae3c8e762a715336d84b39507c9773 has not only been successfully broadcast but it got malleated, and is now included in the chain as c29e162c79144ced3e827 [12:19]
mircea_popescu 9453067e6d34137a4f4cab864dbf801b906e8f6d45f with 13 confirms. [12:19]
shinohai I saw that earlier, was researching https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/c29e162c79144ced3e8279453067e6d34137a4f4cab864dbf801b906e8f6d45f/ [12:20]
assbot BTC Transaction c29e162c79144ced3e8279453067e6d34137a4f4cab864dbf801b906e8f6d45f [12:20]
mircea_popescu that takes care of ~150 of the ~700 btc that bitbet's been delayed in paying. we will be getting through the rest during the remainder of today. [12:21]
shinohai bcinfo shows it "Hih S rejected" blockcypher reports it as double spend attempt [12:21]
mircea_popescu shinohai it is a double-spend. all malleated txids are. [12:21]
shinohai And so trb is at a crossroads :/ [12:23]
mircea_popescu i must say this has been a very instructive experience. [12:23]
shinohai No one seems to be bitching and crying "scam" and "haxxored" on btctalk anymore so all is well. [12:27]
mircea_popescu there's a thing about centralisation in that, i suspect. [12:28]
mircea_popescu turns out centralisation helps when it's a case of "well bitbet goes to mp and mp runs a lot of other things and so... nope." people who only run one thing have it a lot worse. [12:28]
shinohai https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1317139.msg13496128#msg13496128 <<< nevermind he said he hadn't gotten paid but I assured him rest of payments are coming later today. [12:30]
assbot BITBET.US - Delay in JAN 2016 payments ... ( http://bit.ly/1mN6HF6 ) [12:30]
mircea_popescu ironically, it was broadcast from slovenia :) [12:32]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13187 @ 0.00048436 = 6.3873 BTC [+] [12:39]
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asciilifeform axe-time, sword-time? [12:53]
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asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/1Y9D568 [12:58]
gribble The operation succeeded. [12:58]
assbot dpaste: 1Y9D568 ... ( http://bit.ly/1mN9cqN ) [12:58]
BingoBoingo ;;later tell gabriel_laddel Xenorcara, the OBSD X server man pages should be a start [13:00]
gribble The operation succeeded. [13:00]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1364086 << no. presently a dozen or so behind [13:02]
assbot Logged on 09-01-2016 13:18:42; mircea_popescu: hey asciilifeform is dulap significantly (~100 blocks) behind the chain ? [13:02]
asciilifeform the others - less. [13:02]
asciilifeform actually strike that [13:02]
asciilifeform ~zoolag~ is a dozen behind [13:02]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform guess who can't encrypt to you ;/ [13:03]
BingoBoingo yeah, until karpeles lied about an imaginary cause of stealing people's bitcoin, the other dudes working on wrecking bitcoin didn't have a good excuse. hurr durr. << Blockstream people nao complain too, because their off chain doo dad apparently won't work if any malleability on their transactions is possibru [13:03]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: make sure you have new pubkey plox [13:03]
asciilifeform (new in the selfsigs sense ONLY!!) [13:03]
asciilifeform get from assbot ? [13:03]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the node that was talking to them was 105-112 blocks behind main chain yesterday. [13:03]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo try as i might, i can't fucking recall who the fuck is "blockstream" [13:04]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: wuile, luke-jr, adam back, et al. [13:04]
BingoBoingo Lightning network [13:04]
mircea_popescu no, i mean in terms of doing things. [13:04]
mircea_popescu like, for instance : bitbet pays 100s of bitcoins [13:04]
asciilifeform sha512 == 8911da3ce9419d3dfd7aba3b3aab42a24549e712b7b9fae90225db32d53aad88d581f9daa9b5617d1370dfe7fb83ed1e525be3c3d274cf00a86724d9b3f814e2 [13:04]
BingoBoingo Oh, their the new power rangers [13:04]
mircea_popescu what does "blockstream" do ? [13:04]
asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/pgp.asc [13:04]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1mwR9Wt ) [13:04]
BingoBoingo It talks and proposes soft forks and apparently eats a bunch of USD VC money from god knows where [13:05]
mircea_popescu i get a374f57b40cdb645fd1f5eee5e304d6777a02c84d4f449cfefb1f1631c585933daf72c2aecd33383078be87a88701e2634b4542cef3d280ca32eb631432ae661 from that url. [13:05]
asciilifeform wtf [13:05]
asciilifeform post it plox!! [13:05]
asciilifeform the thing that you get ! [13:05]
mircea_popescu o nm, my bad. [13:05]
mircea_popescu 8911da3ce9419d3dfd7aba3b3aab42a24549e712b7b9fae90225db32d53aad88d581f9daa9b5617d1370dfe7fb83ed1e525be3c3d274cf00a86724d9b3f814e2 confirmed [13:06]
* asciilifeform pictures nsa goon sitting in a submarine on ocean bottom typing on two terminals very very quickly [13:06]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/35A2REQ [13:07]
assbot dpaste: 35A2REQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBsWs7 ) [13:07]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform apparently if you paste into sha512sum you get a different result than if you curl and pipe [13:07]
mircea_popescu prolly control chars. [13:07]
asciilifeform aha! [13:08]
mircea_popescu It talks and proposes soft forks and apparently eats a bunch of USD VC money from god knows where << yeah. none of this counts for anything. and i have nfi why they'd get any amount of vote in any discussion re bitcoin. [13:08]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: done. [13:09]
mircea_popescu aite, it's in a term so i'll say. [13:09]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/3Z6EYN3 [13:11]
assbot dpaste: 3Z6EYN3 ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBtpul ) [13:11]
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mircea_popescu you'd naively think no propagation can possibly take this long. [13:14]
mircea_popescu and you;'d be wrong, bitcoin oft does. [13:14]
asciilifeform https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/406s4f/github_request_to_revert_the_removal_of << meanwhile, in the muppet circus [13:26]
assbot GitHub request to REVERT the removal of CoinBase.com is met with overwhelming support (95%) and yet completely IGNORED. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBv7vM ) [13:26]
mircea_popescu oh you don't understand how voting works. [13:27]
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punkman http://bitcoinist.net/cryptsy-has-moved-out-of-their-building-unannounced-nowhere-to-be-found/ [13:40]
assbot Cryptsy Has Moved Out of Their Building Unannounced, Nowhere to be Found - Bitcoinist.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBwDy2 ) [13:40]
punkman https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYORf2eWQAEUxly.png:large [13:41]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBwJWn ) [13:41]
thestringpuller ;;google muppet circus [13:59]
gribble Circus - Muppet Wiki - Wikia: ; Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus - Muppet Wiki - Wikia: ; Kermit the Frog on "Electric Circus" - YouTube: [13:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18339 @ 0.00048112 = 8.8233 BTC [-] {2} [14:12]
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asciilifeform in other nyooz, http://imgur.com/a/bgiM0 [14:34]
assbot jp - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1OaT63E ) [14:34]
mircea_popescu "Imgur is over capacity! [14:42]
mircea_popescu Sorry! We're busy running around with our hair on fire because Imgur is over capacity!" [14:42]
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asciilifeform dafuq [14:59]
asciilifeform the upload failed a couplea times too [14:59]
asciilifeform so possible [15:00]
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asciilifeform link seems to load now [15:01]
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punkman what's that asciilifeform [15:21]
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BingoBoingo http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/does-mayonnaise-last-as-a-thermal-compound/ [15:30]
assbot Does Mayonnaise Last as a Thermal Compound? - Hardware Secrets ... ( http://bit.ly/1SaqoDS ) [15:30]
BingoBoingo "Back in 2011, we tested mayonnaise as a thermal interface between the CPU and the base of the cooler. Amazingly, it worked nicely, proving to be, at least in a short term, a better thermal compound than several well-known commercial products. But, at the time, we could not determine how long it would continue to work before a degradation in performance was noted." [15:33]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [15:33]
BingoBoingo The answer was apparently not only does it not last, it oxidizes the interface surfaces. [15:35]
punkman "surprising" [15:36]
punkman but I good to know I guess? for that rare occasion when you need to macguyver a heatsink on something [15:37]
BingoBoingo Or don't really care how well it works after 3 days, but just need it to work NOW!!! [15:38]
BingoBoingo Anyone want an Illinois lottery powerball ticket for tonight's 900 million dollar drawing, for the potential collection lulz? [15:55]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i was gonna say "oxidizing" [16:02]
mircea_popescu and wjhat's the collection lulz ? [16:02]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well the part where getting big lottery payouts from illinois would involve litigation. Even in the games where the jackpot is pooled with other states. Winning ticket would mean potential for you to sue and force state governments to sue each other. [16:03]
mircea_popescu hahahaha. wait, i get to sue to establish to whom i pay my winnings in tax ? [16:04]
mircea_popescu fuck that. [16:04]
BingoBoingo Nah, gotta sue to even establish the winnings are winnings. [16:04]
mircea_popescu heh. this quesiton doesn't come up to establish taxes are owed, im sure. [16:05]
asciilifeform usa, land of 'win a car - declare bankruptcy' [16:06]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: vegetable matter as lubrication (much less thermal, wtf, l0l) is atrociously braindamaged [16:07]
BingoBoingo Werkz until doesn't [16:08]
asciilifeform leaving the heatsink off also works until doesn't [16:08]
mircea_popescu i doubt there's anything vegetal in us mayo. [16:08]
mircea_popescu the wonder of socialist governments - making the cheapo ersatz something to aspire to. [16:09]
asciilifeform aha, land of petro-margarine [16:09]
asciilifeform landlord at my last office liked to leave 'christmas package' in every mailbox. it had 'food': items like 'cheese' that was good INDEFINITELY at room temperature, 'meat' where ditto, etc [16:10]
mircea_popescu i'd bet that if properly purified of colorants etc, average lab can't distinguish any sauce from wd40 [16:10]
mircea_popescu and wd40 is not a great thermocouple agent, but also not as bad as air is. [16:10]
mircea_popescu nothing is as bad as air, not really. [16:11]
asciilifeform aha. [16:11]
asciilifeform toothpaste would work just as well as anything [16:11]
asciilifeform all you want is to 1) fill gaps 2) be reasonably inert [16:11]
mircea_popescu toothpaste dries. [16:12]
BingoBoingo Apparently chocolate is worse than not having interface material [16:13]
asciilifeform well yes, was speaking of 'anythings' that tards might use [16:14]
asciilifeform and the inevitable question, 'who gave these people a cpu?' [16:14]
mircea_popescu obama. [16:14]
mircea_popescu well, bush really, but anyway. same diff. [16:14]
asciilifeform fdr. [16:14]
BingoBoingo Clitler [16:14]
shinohai http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/oregon_standoff_idaho_militia.html <<< the plot thickens! [16:16]
assbot Oregon standoff: Idaho group arrives to 'secure perimeter, prevent Waco-style situation' | OregonLive.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1SGct7O ) [16:16]
mircea_popescu ha-ha! [16:16]
* asciilifeform looks at photos, does not find armour or artillery [16:17]
mircea_popescu 1798 comments << gotta love that comment count [16:18]
mircea_popescu 1802 by now [16:18]
BingoBoingo In other news more hamplanets turning on Beetus Christ https://archive.is/DOpqe [16:18]
assbot The WORST body positive role model ever. | Bigbuttbbw considers ... ( http://bit.ly/1UFhGeG ) [16:18]
mircea_popescu https://archive.is/dWm7G << check out a page that never completes loading. [16:20]
mircea_popescu idiots. [16:20]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1UFhQ5H ) [16:20]
mircea_popescu tyme to nullroute "livefyre.com" [16:20]
asciilifeform 'Crazy like a fox. They are Gubment spooks or assets. Most are collecting military disability and ole Mammon has got a nice half million dollar loan from the SBA. Nobody is dumb enough to challenge Mad Dog Sam. Use your brains for once! Dictatorship is here, with this nice little false flag rebellion to usher it in.' [16:22]
asciilifeform (from those 1802 commentz) [16:22]
mircea_popescu anyway, check it out alfie, usg lost policing power in oregon. [16:23]
BingoBoingo Well Oregon was established as a refuge for white folk. [16:24]
mircea_popescu also, sam destefano has been dead for longer than the internet's been a thing. [16:24]
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mircea_popescu "get off my lawn you damn dirty apes. i think there will be arguments for years about the wisdom of emboldening these white power, white privilege self serving outlaws or letting them disperse on their own to be picked up later for prosecution. i think the worst case scenario would be letting them off with a guarantee of no criminal charges they should face a range of charges from littering to treason." [16:26]
mircea_popescu anyone taking bets on whether "queergendered", fat, on govt dole and in ny ? [16:26]
BingoBoingo Anyone want to do a piece on the latest Oregon for qntra? [16:29]
BingoBoingo Seems to merit "diverse" perspectives [16:31]
mircea_popescu would be great if someone who lived there. [16:31]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i take it they ain't answering emails ? [16:31]
BingoBoingo Not yet [16:31]
BingoBoingo And if they were I'd still be suspicous [16:32]
* shinohai wonders if they have a GPG key by now ... [16:32]
mircea_popescu heh. seems improbable. [16:33]
BingoBoingo It would be nice if someone in WoT near there would go over and do a GPG keysigning party [16:33]
asciilifeform they, just as isis, would dismiss it as intellectual-claptrap [16:33]
asciilifeform would say, real strength is in blood, sweat, guts ! [16:34]
BingoBoingo they, just as isis, would dismiss it as intellectual-claptrap << Could probably be sold on "keeping Obama out" angle [16:34]
asciilifeform mno. [16:34]
asciilifeform to the spartan, thinking is verboten [16:34]
mircea_popescu they, just as isis, would dismiss it as intellectual-claptrap <<< you don;t know what the girl says UNTIL YOU ASK HER OUT. [16:34]
asciilifeform let's ben_vulpes go ask. [16:35]
mircea_popescu iirc i asked and he didn't wanna. [16:35]
asciilifeform oblig >> http://trilema.com/2013/the-danger-of-homebrew-crypto [16:36]
assbot The danger of homebrew crypto on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1SGeJfA ) [16:36]
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asciilifeform 'the unfounded belief that whitey couldn't possibly have figured out your genius, Allah-inspired "idea". The ungrounded belief that all those other kids that stayed in school rather than quit at age 8 learned nothing at all for their trouble. The firm conviction that you can hide behind your finger.' [16:37]
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BingoBoingo My present dilemma is if I recieve any plaintext from Oregon liberators over the wire, there is an extreme possibility of it actually being a Preet [16:38]
mircea_popescu can still print with that caution. [16:42]
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BingoBoingo USG agents on Oregon https://archive.is/LZWt1 [16:45]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1UFkicw ) [16:45]
mircea_popescu so you just about ready to make warzone reporting a full time activity BingoBoingo ? [16:46]
BingoBoingo Not yet. You know, this may be an occasion to use the Trilema job board. [16:47]
mircea_popescu which still dun exist. besides, not all jobs are entry level. [16:48]
mircea_popescu ;;ud BLM [16:48]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=BLM | Bureau of Land Management ( people with short pants ). Yogi Bearr & Bo-bo's ranger watch ! BLM close public lands so Mr. ranger can keep city people from ... [16:48]
shinohai Hey boo boo! [16:48]
mircea_popescu "For the Republic, Stewart Rhodes Founder and President of Oath Keepers" <<< lol check out that guy [16:49]
mircea_popescu but tbh, BingoBoingo, i'm not so sure his point is without merit. [16:49]
mircea_popescu why not heal the representativity issue ? [16:49]
BingoBoingo I though it existed as a category on trilema? But no, no entry level position here. [16:50]
BingoBoingo why not heal the representativity issue ? << needs ben_vulpes for that [16:50]
mircea_popescu nono i mean, as far as the bundys, hammonds etc are concerned [16:50]
mircea_popescu reading the piece you linked. [16:50]
BingoBoingo I mean need ben_vulpes as a local to heal that issue [16:51]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes can be local representative [16:51]
mircea_popescu eh you can't conscript people. [16:52]
BingoBoingo Anyways at this point I have concerns about the Oregon liberation's ability so sustain itself in the way the Bundy ranch defense has. [16:52]
mircea_popescu well that's the difference between a revolution and an invasion. [16:53]
mircea_popescu the invasion needs a baggage train. [16:53]
asciilifeform the 'revolution', when it takes over a solitary foodless shithole, also needs baggage train. [16:54]
mircea_popescu not so. [16:54]
mircea_popescu which is why the soviets were an invasion, not a revolution. [16:54]
BingoBoingo ;;google Oregon Bearded Bastards [16:57]
gribble Partners - Pacific Patriots Network: ; You Have To See Ammon Bundy's Ridiculous Press Conference In ...: ; Stockists - The Bearded Bastard: [16:57]
asciilifeform incidentall, 'oathkeepers' is a social club for usg soldiers [16:57]
asciilifeform if that weren't clear [16:57]
BingoBoingo Seriously these people need to learn to internet [16:57]
asciilifeform (this is not a secret) [16:57]
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BingoBoingo incidentall, 'oathkeepers' is a social club for usg soldiers << Seems to be common knowledge in the actual patriot circles [16:57]
asciilifeform no, this is explicitly printed on the box [16:58]
asciilifeform it's supposed to be an org for usg soldiers who swear not to fire on the crowd [16:58]
asciilifeform often accused of being a stoolie gambit for gestapo, yes [16:58]
BingoBoingo Of course, but they got along with other groups until http://qntra.net/2016/01/militia-liberates-oregon-land-from-federal-occupation/#fn2-4801 [16:58]
assbot Militia Liberates Oregon Land From Federal Occupation | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1UFlYTw ) [16:58]
BingoBoingo Which confirmed stoolie gambit [16:59]
BingoBoingo Also their agitation in Ferguson, etc [16:59]
BingoBoingo ;;google Citizens for Constitutional Freedom [17:00]
gribble Citizens for Constitutional Freedom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Oregon siege: What the armed group wants and why - CNN.com: ; Arrest the so-called 'Citizens for Constitutional Freedom' - Chicago ...: (1 more message) [17:00]
asciilifeform think for a minute, about the wisdom of a pre-existing public list of commanders who 'promise not to fire on the crowd' [17:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16512 @ 0.00048964 = 8.0849 BTC [+] {2} [17:01]
mircea_popescu incidentall, 'oathkeepers' is a social club for usg soldiers << this is not unlike saying that incidentally, the guy that shot sadat was from the egyptian military. [17:01]
mircea_popescu you don't say... [17:02]
asciilifeform aha, printed right on the box [17:02]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo state this for my benefit. so how and wherefore what the guy said is stoolie gambit ? [17:02]
BingoBoingo In the linked letter to Ammon Bundy, nothing yet. Oatherkeepers SOP seems to be sound reasonable until Eric Holder drone strike panic. 1. Build trust 2. Glass Cannon panic 3. ??? 4. Profit [17:05]
mircea_popescu i'm not really up to date. [17:06]
BingoBoingo Other role they take is as they did in Ferguson as USG sanctioned popular antagonist. They served as foil to both police and protestors . [17:08]
mircea_popescu the problem with this theory is that it has very low predictive power. [17:09]
BingoBoingo Well, for tsmr's history more effort was directed towards understanding USG social engineering with the power rangers than the various US patriot militias. [17:10]
mircea_popescu not saying by any means that you're wrong or anything, i'm not from there. [17:10]
BingoBoingo It's also an area where USG has spent more time directing social engineering [17:11]
mircea_popescu old ex-military dudes hanging around with the beers talking about shit ? [17:12]
mircea_popescu almost as good as the 10 year reunion of athlethic highschools. [17:12]
BingoBoingo In the 1990's this was serious USG concern during first Clitler administration between Ruby Ridge, Waco, and Michigan Militia [17:13]
BingoBoingo Various Michigan Militia attracted substantial attention for existing. [17:13]
mircea_popescu aha [17:13]
BingoBoingo Basically for USG was about as Urgent as Bitcoin is in 2019 [17:14]
BingoBoingo Losing large portions of he Western states seems like it might have actually been a concern. [17:15]
BingoBoingo If USSR made it to 1997, US may have collapsed in 1994 [17:15]
mircea_popescu for srs. [17:16]
mircea_popescu the whole thing doesn't belong together anyway, it's like "the nation of africa" over there. [17:16]
mircea_popescu let congo and ghana go their separate ways already. [17:16]
BingoBoingo USG depserately needed 9-11 and 8 years of enthusiasm to tamp down enthusiam for militas built under CLinton [17:17]
mircea_popescu i doubt it did much. [17:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00049065 = 5.1518 BTC [+] {2} [17:17]
BingoBoingo It bought time for USG to build Oathkeepers [17:17]
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BingoBoingo So this is the Idaho group that is doing the perimeter thing http://www.iiipercentidaho.org/ [17:19]
assbot 3% of Idaho - When Tyranny Becomes Law, Rebellion Becomes Duty! ... ( http://bit.ly/1UFoIAc ) [17:19]
BingoBoingo Some history http://www.potowmack.org/emerappb.html [17:21]
assbot United States v. Timothy Emerson, Potowmack Institute, amicus curiae, Appendix B ... ( http://bit.ly/1UFoWr6 ) [17:21]
mircea_popescu " If this were to happen, the state would assert itself as the principle of the contract making the people the agents." [17:22]
mircea_popescu guy can't spell ;/ [17:22]
mircea_popescu "was the armed militia of the American colonies whose own efforts ultimately led to the establishment of the United States of America! While some say that the right to keep and bear arms is granted to Americans by the Constitution, just the opposite is true : the existence of the federal government is granted by the citizens bearing arms, under limits set forth in the constitution" [17:24]
mircea_popescu there we go. [17:24]
BingoBoingo guy can't spell ;/ << transcriptionist couldn't spell. [17:27]
mircea_popescu srsly, professional transcriptomonkey doesn't know what a principal is ? [17:27]
mircea_popescu need less affirmative action in washington already. [17:27]
BingoBoingo sysly [17:27]
BingoBoingo Was delivered to United States Senate Subcommittee on Terrorism orally [17:28]
BingoBoingo Because 1995 [17:28]
mircea_popescu anyway, not bad. [17:28]
BingoBoingo Compare that to the current US "alt-right" with its "Oath Keepers", MLM-scammers like Glenn Beck, and media social engineering like Trump [17:29]
mircea_popescu apparently the guy also came up with the theory japan bombed oklahoma because the us dumped sarin in tokyo ? [17:30]
mircea_popescu and was somehow kicked out of michigan / moved to alaska ? [17:30]
deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b61 [17:30]
BingoBoingo Details [17:30]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo is glenn beck still selling overpriced gold rounds to suckers ? [17:30]
BingoBoingo Yeah [17:30]
BingoBoingo And Rush Limbaugh is selling Identity theft protection and Cloud backup storage [17:31]
BingoBoingo Rush Limbuagh also does a lot of Apple product placement [17:31]
BingoBoingo How the American left frames the history of anti-hippies which actually stretches back to the late 60's https://archive.is/sKIoB [17:43]
assbot A 'Patriot' Timeline | Southern Poverty Law Center ... ( http://bit.ly/1UFs1XW ) [17:43]
BingoBoingo Serisouly though, today's alt-right and militia movement almost exclusively communicates on Facebook. [18:00]
BingoBoingo Talk about a USG social engineering victory. [18:00]
mircea_popescu aha. derps. [18:01]
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BingoBoingo Fucking BEst Korea!!!!1111!! Over here. [18:02]
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mircea_popescu "6/18/94 -- Common-law ideologue Brian Knoff is surreptitiously recorded discussing a planned marijuana-smuggling operation through Cuba that he hopes will help to fund other Patriot activists." [18:05]
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asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/30AC9GQ [18:32]
gribble The operation succeeded. [18:32]
assbot dpaste: 30AC9GQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1PW9VSy ) [18:32]
mircea_popescu you know im righthere [18:32]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu ! [18:33]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform and lo it came to pass that one man had sons, which he met because some women he knew introduced them. and those sons presently came upon him and said father, give us warhorses so we may be warriros, for you are a warrior yourself! and the man said better go and capture horses, for i am a warrior and i will soon die, and who'll give you warhorses then ? [18:35]
asciilifeform well then mircea_popescu can wait potentially indefinite time until we make a horse out of toothpicks. [18:35]
mircea_popescu yeah, that's the dilemma, isn't it : either die of ulcer like naggum or try and supress the nausea of being still alive with these schmucks all around like graham. [18:36]
asciilifeform i'm a good way towards the naggum already. [18:36]
mircea_popescu i meant for me! [18:36]
mircea_popescu i thought we were talking about me! [18:36]
asciilifeform more than one fella can ulcer yaknow [18:37]
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asciilifeform and i think my horse needs a new fuel filter [18:38]
asciilifeform or sumthing. [18:38]
BingoBoingo Can't you plug it into the computer? [18:42]
BingoBoingo Or does gentoo not have drivers for your horse [18:42]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: sadly this thread is a continuation of a pgpgram... [18:43]
BingoBoingo I thought you meant horse as in your motor carriage needing a fuel filter [18:43]
asciilifeform nah [18:43]
asciilifeform another horse. [18:43]
BingoBoingo Ah [18:43]
mircea_popescu Or does gentoo not have drivers for your horse <<< bwahahaha epic. [18:45]
mircea_popescu you'll end up with a coveted Kakobrekla Trophy for Dry Wit at this rate. [18:46]
* asciilifeform expects to write own driver for horse. [18:46]
BingoBoingo you'll end up with a coveted Kakobrekla Trophy for Dry Wit at this rate. << Well I'm still learning this whole "living as a dry person" business [18:47]
BingoBoingo It's amazing this whole doing something about a problem instead of drinking about a problem business [18:47]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [18:47]
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mircea_popescu word. [18:49]
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BingoBoingo Also all the money I'm saving that can be put towards expenses like HODL, thermal grease, and batteries [18:50]
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mircea_popescu heh [18:55]
mircea_popescu i thought old people stole all the batteries they used. [18:55]
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asciilifeform nah they make'em by sticking forks into young people [18:56]
asciilifeform (as in potato battery) [18:56]
mircea_popescu lol [18:58]
* BingoBoingo wondering if a catalytic cap for a lead acid battery valves would have the same function on FeNi [18:58]
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BingoBoingo !up Cristina [19:00]
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BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [19:03]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 451.34, vol: 4458.66893435 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 446.094, vol: 5088.17235 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 451.32, vol: 8935.65639376 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 466.5, vol: 2.34695756 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 451.714185, vol: 48676.73960000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 455.0, vol: 86.21654233 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 457.371479989, vol: 19.63880077 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) [19:03]
BingoBoingo ;;more [19:03]
gribble 451.218283222 [19:03]
* asciilifeform discovered the other day that $rupturefarm has a very spiffy library. quite comparable to his own, at least on scientific subjects [19:04]
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asciilifeform unrelated, except to an ancient thread: http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/intel/RS22406.pdf >>><<< http://dpaste.com/290B077 [19:07]
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asciilifeform mats ^ other usa jurist types [19:08]
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asciilifeform Cristina: please fix your connection [19:09]
BingoBoingo http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3597 [19:13]
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asciilifeform Cristina: arregla su conexion por favor [19:20]
diana_coman !rate jurov 3 official Euloran copper merchant; helpful with programming stuff; smooth and prompt btc transaction [19:21]
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mircea_popescu o hey, is William Pierce actually the model for the old dude in american history x ? [19:55]
BingoBoingo I'd have to look into that [19:57]
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mircea_popescu December '97 -- Nearly 100 New York City employees, including some corrections officials, are arrested for using common-law "untaxing" kits to evade taxes. [19:59]
mircea_popescu ahahaha wut [19:59]
asciilifeform sold right next to the common-medicine magical cure-all kit [19:59]
mircea_popescu 3/17/98 -- Two former New York City police officers become the last of 14 NYPD officers to be convicted in a tax evasion scheme. The two sold tax evasion kits from Patriot groups to other officers for up to $2,000 each. [20:00]
mircea_popescu dawg... [20:00]
asciilifeform and the common-mathematics O(N) factorizer kit [20:00]
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mircea_popescu "10/13/99 -- Members of the Southern Indiana Regional Militia meet with FBI agents as part of a government effort to defuse tensions between Patriots and officialdom." [20:04]
mircea_popescu "1/1/00 -- Despite Patriot expectations that the millennial date change will bring martial law or massive social collapse, nothing of the kind occurs." [20:04]
mircea_popescu it is pretty millenaristic innit. [20:04]
mircea_popescu "Being a race traitor, yet still tolerated by my pale fellows, I thought it was the least I could do." << how'd he get that ? fucked a black chick ? or what's racely treasonable activity ? [20:07]
BingoBoingo He hangs out with black people from time to time [20:10]
mircea_popescu "If I might compress a quarter-million years into a paragraph: For hundreds of thousands of years mankind developed along three paths, the African, the Neanderthal and the Disnovian. 74,000 years ago the Toba Super Eruption occurred, causing a six-year nuclear winter, which wiped out all but a couple thousand lucky Africans. I don’t know anything about the Disnovians. I do know that the Neanderthals across Europe and [20:14]
mircea_popescu North Asia took the nuclear winter in stride, as they were cold-adapted. By 70,000-40,000 years ago one particular group of Africans produced some killer genius whose genes are in us all. The Neanderthals were wiped out soon thereafter at the peak of a nasty ice age that they were best suited to deal with. They were murdered." [20:14]
mircea_popescu this is rank nonsense. for one thing, the cro-magnon did it, not some obscure "african". [20:14]
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BingoBoingo Can't expect retail expert to be history expert [20:20]
BingoBoingo Enablers https://archive.is/VXyv3 [20:20]
assbot agritheia comments on What was your 'I don't get paid enough for this shit' moment? ... ( http://bit.ly/1kWcM0N ) [20:20]
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deedbot- [Trilema] The big day. - http://trilema.com/2016/the-big-day/ [22:39]
ben_vulpes trinque: is there a reason verify.mk uses `SHA512' instead of `sha512'? [22:54]
* ben_vulpes reads, nm [22:54]
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trinque ben_vulpes: that's one of the knobs [23:07]
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ben_vulpes i already ripped the -s flag off the boost download, 'cuz i'm impatient and curious. [23:10]
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ben_vulpes trinque: build/Makefile:16 `tar xvf' -> `tar xvzf` << any reason i shouldn't do this? [23:21]
ben_vulpes without, tar complains that the file uses gzip and that one must provide the `z' flag. [23:22]
trinque ben_vulpes: a verbosity knob might be nice [23:23]
ben_vulpes i'm talking about the gzip flag. [23:23]
trinque ben_vulpes │ i already ripped the -s flag off the boost download, 'cuz i'm impatient and curious. << [23:24]
trinque but yeah I'll add that to the tar cmd [23:24]
ben_vulpes aha. [23:24]
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ben_vulpes trinque: fired your makefiles on obsd yet? [23:28]
trinque yeah, buildroot is very unhappy. [23:32]
trinque understandably so, as I understand that thing to be linux specific [23:32]
ben_vulpes that'd be it then. [23:33]
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trinque at least pulling the deps/shit works with make SHA512=sha512 [23:34]
trinque ben_vulpes: and in fact if the buildroot step were stuck inside Makefile.rotor, it'd be trivial to have a Makefile.openbsd aside it [23:35]
trinque then it'd be make BUILDER=openbsd SHA512=sha512 [23:35]
trinque V setup works fine on openbsd [23:37]
trinque yep, I'm moving buildroot, makes total sense [23:37]
ben_vulpes cool. [23:38]
ben_vulpes neat stuff, dood. [23:39]
ben_vulpes gotcha, okay, starting to see how this all fits together. [23:41]
trinque ben_vulpes │ neat stuff, dood. << ty [23:41]
ben_vulpes ping me when you have new makefiles, i'm going to remap keys and engage in other weeding-type activities on this machine [23:46]
trinque ben_vulpes: I'll probably not throw another onto the mailing list before fixing the boost build [23:47]
trinque maybe tomorrow [23:47]
ben_vulpes fix << meaning address the failed targets? [23:48]
trinque yeah [23:48]
trinque || true << abominable [23:49]
ben_vulpes hail satan [23:50]
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