Forum logs for 09 Aug 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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scoopbot_revived	An Ivy League degree wasn't always a Louis Vuitton purse. http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/08/an-ivy-league-degree-wasnt-always-a-louis-vuitton-purse/	[00:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00062007 = 4.6505 BTC [+] {5}	[00:11]
pete_dushenski	;;later tell mod6 http://dpaste.com/3YFS9YV.txt << test2 logs for ya	[00:12]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[00:12]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1KbfsND )	[00:12]
pete_dushenski	^on debian 7	[00:13]
pete_dushenski	looks like zlib problems	[00:13]
pete_dushenski	but i'm not a doctor.	[00:14]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: what the hell did you build, and on what	[00:14]
asciilifeform	1) therealbitcoin does not use zlib 2) therealbitcoin does not use dl*	[00:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00062007 = 10.9752 BTC [+] {2}	[00:15]
pete_dushenski	well that's interesting	[00:15]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: post your makefile plz	[00:15]
asciilifeform	and your buildscript	[00:15]
pete_dushenski	seriously all i did was install os and follow steps outlined in http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000140.html	[00:16]
assbot	[BTC-dev] UPDATE: v0.5.4-TEST2 Pre-patched Test Bundle : Testers Needed! ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEslTm )	[00:16]
phf	ag3nt_zer0: raw didn't pen principia, that's just a persistent misconception, in FACT it was revealed to trinque in its complete form by the divine mother HERSELF (hail eris!) during some of his particularly strong ACID trips (10 strip, they said it was weak, so he took 6, damn, man, i'm seeing things ain't even come up yet), at which point he traveled back in TIME to spread the good word to the honest people of california. this and much mo	[00:16]
phf	re was explained in grant morrison's INVISIBLES series. get your facts, straight son, straight from the source. fnord.	[00:16]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: i wrote rotor for a reason	[00:18]
asciilifeform	the reason being that this is a waste of life	[00:18]
asciilifeform	yes, i could sit down and debug this	[00:18]
asciilifeform	but seven other people will come and each one will bring seven idiocies from his local os	[00:18]
asciilifeform	and each of those will need seven workarounds to be forced with red hot irons to behave in FUCKING STANDARD WAY	[00:19]
asciilifeform	rotor differs in that it is enough for you to find ~one~ box where it can be made to go	[00:20]
asciilifeform	and use that binary for the rest of your life if you like.	[00:20]
asciilifeform	i STILL don't understand why just about everybody insists on building stator.	[00:20]
pete_dushenski	asciilifeform: i know you wrote rotor for a reason, of this there is little doubt, but believe it or not, your instructions aren't dumbed down enough for me	[00:21]
pete_dushenski	they're not far off, mind	[00:21]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: if you're up to it, try building, i'll walk you through it while i'm awake	[00:22]
pete_dushenski	ok, lemme reinstall os and start fresh	[00:23]
asciilifeform	no need to reinstall os	[00:23]
asciilifeform	pick just about any linux box	[00:23]
asciilifeform	and go from there	[00:23]
pete_dushenski	oh ok	[00:23]
asciilifeform	if you can get a bash prompt, you oughta get a working build.	[00:23]
asciilifeform	start the recipe and prod me when you hit a stumble.	[00:23]
pete_dushenski	k	[00:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22150 @ 0.00062007 = 13.7346 BTC [+] {3}	[00:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00061517 = 5.9364 BTC [-]	[00:29]
mod6	hi pete_dushenski	[00:30]
mod6	Let me dig something up for you here quick.	[00:30]
mod6	http://dpaste.com/3T9YGXC.txt	[00:32]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1KbgRDZ )	[00:32]
asciilifeform	apt-get install -y libboost-python-dev	[00:33]
asciilifeform	apt-get install -y libbz2-dev	[00:33]
asciilifeform	apt-get install -y zlib1g-dev	[00:33]
asciilifeform	^ for fucks sake	[00:33]
asciilifeform	why?	[00:33]
asciilifeform	neither stator nor rotor needs these!	[00:33]
asciilifeform	HAVING THEM ON YOUR BOX IS USELESS AT BEST!	[00:33]
mod6	Right, should be trying to bulid the Rotor, really.	[00:33]
asciilifeform	stator doesn't need them either !	[00:34]
asciilifeform	if your stator did not build before but builds after running the above, IT IS NOT STATIC !!!	[00:34]
mod6	However, I have seen that on Ubuntu & Debian if you build boost without libboost-python-dev boost will complain -- it will still compile, but it'll complain. it complains less with the python errors if it has that and the libbost-python-dev dependentcies installed.	[00:35]
asciilifeform	^ you are using CRUD FROM OUTSIDE THE STATIC BALL	[00:35]
asciilifeform	defeating the very purpose of stator.	[00:35]
asciilifeform	introducing local turdlets over which you have no meaningful control.	[00:35]
mod6	er	[00:35]
mod6	yeah.	[00:35]
mod6	im mis remembering that from v0.5.3.1	[00:36]
asciilifeform	why even bother then.	[00:36]
mod6	pete_dushenski: don't bother with the testing for TEST2 (or anyone else), just work for now on building rotor.	[00:36]
pete_dushenski	okilee dokilee :)	[00:37]
mod6	I appreciate you trying to build it.	[00:37]
asciilifeform	i also appreciated. how else would we have learned that i am the last one alive with a sane linux install, for instance.	[00:37]
pete_dushenski	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MS56NLGqxU	[00:38]
assbot	Okily Dokily - Simpsons You Only Move Twice - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kbh9eb )	[00:38]
mod6	I can not wait until we get past all of this.	[00:40]
pete_dushenski	hehe i'm having fun !	[00:41]
pete_dushenski	being a lab rat isn't world's worst job after all	[00:41]
pete_dushenski	every day a new maze, then... cheese !	[00:42]
*	asciilifeform still wonders what that 'cheese' thing would smell like	[00:42]
ag3nt_zer0	phf: hahaha was that really in the INVISIBLES?	[00:43]
pete_dushenski	asciilifeform: napalm perhaps.	[00:43]
ag3nt_zer0	shit about wilson and all that?	[00:43]
mod6	asciilifeform: so, what my goal is, short term, is to produce a bundle that (similar to TEST2) is patched up through -verifyall that we can drop into the rotor, and use that for testing next.	[00:43]
asciilifeform	mod6: i think you already have this ?	[00:44]
asciilifeform	(rotor takes a stator)	[00:44]
ag3nt_zer0	I never looked at that comic... I saw Morrison speak and thought he was weird haha	[00:44]
mod6	yeah. but your bundle doesn't have the right directory structure, and doesn't really have a patching trail or anything.	[00:44]
asciilifeform	my rotor bundle doesn't come with a stator at all	[00:44]
asciilifeform	it has to be supplied by the operator	[00:45]
mod6	so i don't wanna seem like im replicating work; just trying to clean it up a bit.	[00:45]
ag3nt_zer0	i mean I get the whole thing he was on about but he was seemd stragley excited haha	[00:45]
mod6	right	[00:45]
mod6	it has to be downloaded seperately. thats fine. i did this today.	[00:45]
mod6	was thinking that next I'll work on a patched bundle up through -verify all with rotor. and then work ourselves up to a place where we feel comfortable.	[00:46]
pete_dushenski	bbiab	[00:46]
mod6	do you think we should even bother with block dump/eat, -verify all?	[00:46]
asciilifeform	mod6: i regard them as useful	[00:46]
mod6	(in a "release")	[00:46]
asciilifeform	mod6: esp. for standing up nodes	[00:47]
asciilifeform	but also for debugging wedge states	[00:47]
asciilifeform	and generally.	[00:47]
mod6	so it wouldnt be a waste of my time to proceed in that direction?	[00:47]
asciilifeform	also it is possible to hash a blockchain using dumpblock	[00:47]
asciilifeform	(see ml for example of me doing so for a chain loaded from mircea_popescu)	[00:47]
mod6	yup, i recall.	[00:47]
asciilifeform	not a waste by any means.	[00:47]
ag3nt_zer0	phf: still lolzing haha thx fnord! fucking california haha	[00:48]
asciilifeform	i personally regard these as important knobs and their absence from the original bitcoin as an atrocity	[00:48]
mod6	ok. that's my next basic goal. build a patched bundle up through verify-all with rotor.	[00:48]
mod6	once we have that, and a new patch from trinque, i can complete my script and have a rotor that builds these test bundles with x86-64	[00:48]
mod6	make sense?	[00:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00060043 = 5.0736 BTC [-]	[00:49]
asciilifeform	aha	[00:49]
mod6	:]	[00:49]
mod6	was nice to see rotor build cleanly today btw.	[00:49]
asciilifeform	didja have to use trinque's patch ?	[00:50]
mod6	yeah	[00:50]
asciilifeform	oughta be part of the official ball then	[00:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00060043 = 1.0207 BTC [-]	[00:50]
mod6	was a gentoo/glibc environement -- compiled buildroot with the musl settings. didn't change anything to the "rotor" steps execept for adding the change to BDB configure options in trinque's message.	[00:51]
mod6	yah, I left him a note to re-send a patch with a detached sig to the ML. can help or do it for him if required, etc.	[00:51]
mod6	no giant rush tho.	[00:51]
phf	ag3nt_zer0: inivisibles is like a popcorn pulp version of pkd, illuminatus and magick. it's a fun read when you're 24, but definitely worth a read through if you're into that sort of stuff	[00:52]
ag3nt_zer0	it's no secret that california shares a magickal connection based on the law of correspondences to the Hindu goddess of destruction and the final age of dissolution, Kali... nor is it coincidence that the sun sets on the western world in KaliforniCaitlynJender - Bernardino porno bender blender	[00:53]
ag3nt_zer0	phf: i dunno; after he said he wrote his own reality and as he was writing the things he was writing were coming true I figured the comic couldnt be better than that...	[00:56]
phf	i only vaguely remember that talk, because i listened to it under the influence, and at some point i was convinced that i could perform magical rituals, and the only thing keeping me from fundamentally affecting reality was years of societal conditioning that i could at the time overcome. i think i was also at some point convinced that bush was a great grandson of aliester crowley by way of pauline pierce, and that he's going to bring about	[01:00]
phf	the appocalypse. the details are a bit hazy	[01:00]
phf	*that i could not	[01:02]
ag3nt_zer0	yeah... you ever look into the jack parsons/crowley/hubbard threesome?	[01:03]
ag3nt_zer0	pretty weird considering what hubbard went on to do	[01:03]
ag3nt_zer0	in Kali haha	[01:03]
phf	i'm sure hubbard just lifted whatever he could from his time at the agape lodge	[01:04]
phf	parsons is quite a character, there's a nice writeup about him and the whole crowley/hubbard connection in "apocalypse culture"	[01:06]
phf	though i'm not sure how much i want to put to public record on this subject. i made some interesting friends when i moved to this country, unfortunately this whole culture seemed to have died out. even when i was enjoying it, it was mostly archival work	[01:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2350 @ 0.00059781 = 1.4049 BTC [-]	[01:21]
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hanbot	!up n6	[01:36]
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hanbot	n6: get in the wot, don't pester people via pm, and forget about any braindamaged notions of "lobbying MP" you've cooked up for yourself.	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	!up onlooker	[01:44]
-assbot-	You voiced onlooker for 30 minutes.	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	ohai	[01:44]
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asciilifeform	http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E2B96D2881D975EFBAD0E79F513301149BFE8AB719467DE0151E839547CA99AC << l0l	[01:46]
mircea_popescu	trinque actually trump has been rich for a while.	[01:46]
onlooker	hi there, would you like to share your thoughts on copyright? I've only come across your writings today and found them most entertaining.	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	iirc lost it all in a dubious las vegas casinos transaction with fucking merv griffin.	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	onlooker it's complicated.	[01:47]
trinque	mircea_popescu: one thing occured to me this evening re: trump. he's telling the other people running to their faces that he's bought and paid for all of them in the past.	[01:48]
trinque	I love that.	[01:48]
trinque	mod6: putting that email together	[01:48]
n6	hanbot: sorry I lost my key(Not a person), still trying to fix my lsub issue on gentoo before I make a new one.	[01:48]
onlooker	lol, well thats no surprise, governments specialize in making simple things complicated	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	it's not really true. man's no rockerfeller. son of a middling queens landlord is all.	[01:48]
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asciilifeform	i don't see how it 'is complicated' at all. folks who wanna be paid when i copy a number, get a raging hardon for the state (tm) (r) when it makes noises of promise to make it happen	[01:50]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform ever been privy to something on the understanding you won't be sharing it ?	[01:51]
asciilifeform	sure	[01:51]
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mircea_popescu	do you propose to do away with the POSSIBLITY of that understanding ?	[01:51]
asciilifeform	nah. just object to this kind of thing happening in a consumer setting	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	yeah, well, then... it's complicated.	[01:51]
asciilifeform	where the negotiating leverage on one side of the table is nil	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	as usual, consumers have no business in any of the places they stuff themselve.s	[01:52]
onlooker	I don't think copyright is the same thing as keeping a secret, if you keep a secret and you keep it well then you don't need copyright	[01:52]
hanbot	n6 alright, so then make that your top priority.	[01:52]
asciilifeform	when i buy a piece of shit from a street merchant i ain't taking no oath.	[01:52]
asciilifeform	he wants oath, can fuck himself	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	that's between you two.	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	so then...	[01:52]
asciilifeform	'click-through oath!!!'	[01:53]
onlooker	if you fail to keep a secret they you have two choices, you can blame yourself for not keeping it well, or you can blame me and try to enforce copyright	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	don't be coming to me to relieve you of oaths you took on the theory that you shouldn't have and if you were a better man you wouldn't have.	[01:53]
asciilifeform	except i didn't	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	then i don't need to have an oppinion on it.	[01:54]
n6	hanbot: thanks I will get on that right now.	[01:54]
asciilifeform	well somebody mentioned 'copyright'	[01:54]
asciilifeform	which as i understand is the perverse concept that somebody gets to bang on my door and demand gold for copying a number	[01:54]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1231425 << jesus definitely was a socialist. something something all people something.	[01:54]
assbot	Logged on 08-08-2015 22:47:43; ag3nt_zer0: something about the jesus would have been a socialist shit	[01:54]
onlooker	mircea popescu, you don't need to have an opinion about the color of you shit either lol...	[01:55]
mircea_popescu	there's a trilema article about that, actually.	[01:55]
asciilifeform	'tis one thing if i was given a secret, swore an other. entirely other thing when i find a number scribbled on the sidewalk and decide to scribble it elsewhere	[01:55]
asciilifeform	*an oath	[01:55]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform supposedly it wasn't on the sidewalk.	[01:56]
asciilifeform	?	[01:56]
n6	trinque, asciilifeform: Would you be able to point me to a place where I can learn how to build lsub on my mac then put it on a usb drive and move it to gentoo so I can get wireless working and make a key?	[01:56]
mircea_popescu	consider the controlling case, as i opposed it to diametric s question back in the day. so quentin tarantino comes in here all upsed about you copying his latest movie. what do i say, "fuck off qt, if you made a movie you didn'ty make that movie" ?	[01:56]
asciilifeform	n6: nope	[01:56]
mircea_popescu	i ain't saying that.	[01:57]
trinque	n6: I'm making a script that puts gentoo on a stick, or any block device really	[01:57]
trinque	not done yet, let ya know	[01:57]
trinque	mod6: sent	[01:57]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i'd say ~yes~. 'find a revenue model that doesn't rely on armed thugs breaking down my door for copying a fucking number, and i never signed any contracts with this fella'	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	still his movie.	[01:57]
asciilifeform	he can beg on the streets if he wants.	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	he'll probably go to syria and smuggle arms.	[01:58]
asciilifeform	good.	[01:58]
asciilifeform	syria needs arms.	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	so you're gonna pick careers for tarantino now ?	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	awful lot of work.	[01:58]
asciilifeform	he can do honest work, like this, instead of trying to monkey with my bits.	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	i thought we were aiming to avoid makework.	[01:58]
asciilifeform	(yes, the bits are ~mine~, they are on my disk)	[01:58]
asciilifeform	keeping fella's hands out of my arse != 'choosing careers for'	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	(ftr, the arms smuggle thing did happen. almost quite to syria. for 10 points, name the famous french poet who did this in his teens)	[01:59]
asciilifeform	french?	[02:00]
onlooker	I asked if you had an opinion, from the perspective of someone who seems intelligent and uses bigger words than me. I appreciate you taking the time to reply at all, I don't mind if you have no opinion, just I hoped you would see copyright as the elitists use to tell poor people they are not allowed to think	[02:00]
asciilifeform	'cause my first thought was byron	[02:00]
n6	trinque: how would that help me? can I build it from the source already on the pc?	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	nah, byron was a poseur.	[02:00]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: unrelated, when did anyone suddenly open a kindergarten in here ?	[02:00]
asciilifeform	i must've missed it	[02:00]
onlooker	*as something the elitests use..."	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i think it always was half that.	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	onlooker i'm quite famously elitist.	[02:01]
asciilifeform	n6: since nobody else is standing up to do it, i will tell you the bad news: it appears that you are not yet ready for a source-based linux system	[02:01]
asciilifeform	n6: you will have to think and study on your own for a while.	[02:02]
asciilifeform	n6: trying to get hand-fed through this gnarly and unpleasant process will be frustrating both to you and to others	[02:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.00059114 = 5.5863 BTC [-] {2}	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	doesn't seem he knows how this self study thing works, hm ?	[02:03]
n6	asciilifeform: Yes I understand that and its awful to read for everyone else. sorry	[02:03]
n6	mircea_popescu: how can you self study if you don't even know what to look for?	[02:03]
mircea_popescu	ikr?	[02:03]
asciilifeform	n6: please consider reading kernighan and pike's 'the unix programming environment'	[02:03]
asciilifeform	just to get a feel of what it is like	[02:03]
asciilifeform	write, build some simple programs	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1231442 << it might be that you don't know what an experiment actually is.	[02:04]
assbot	Logged on 08-08-2015 22:53:48; ag3nt_zer0: i did that damn "visualize a quarter" experiment for a couple weeks and whne i finally found one, it was glued to the pavement	[02:04]
n6	asciilifeform: Ok	[02:04]
asciilifeform	(this is a thin book, 1980s, inexpensive)	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	but it's not just a "hey, something to try out"	[02:04]
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onlooker	mircea popescu, yes, but you appear to be of the more logical bent than the standard elitist. Take for example your claim the paying for good things is how we get good things, this may be logical, but in fact the way the world currently works stealing good things has proven to be far more effective, Bankers are elitist too, would you put yourself in the same category as them?	[02:04]
phf	rimbaud naturally	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	onlooker i am de facto a banker, but i doubt the term has any substantial meaning to you past "those meanie assholes that make the house i want cost more than i can afford".	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	phf win.	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	the argument re stealing is actually ancient. it was articulated by the pillars of roman thought, of all people.	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	nevertheless... not as simple as all that.	[02:06]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13844 @ 0.00059866 = 8.2878 BTC [+] {3}	[02:07]
mircea_popescu	jesus wtf happened to this log.	[02:08]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i'm getting flashbacks now of my number theory lecture, where we had that gurl	[02:08]
asciilifeform	BUT PROF HOW DO YOU DO IT	[02:08]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2014#761497 << that one	[02:08]
assbot	Logged on 19-07-2014 03:17:34; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if i didn't know any better, i'd imagine we went to uni together. we had 'the same' chick! she bedeviled our number theory prof with at least a hundred very boneheaded questions every lecture. he seethed, boiled, but couldn't throw her out. why? 'registered special needs.' (going for math degree!) she even got unlimited time on exams.	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	eh, i just had the peanut chicken you perhaps remember, and then went for the nude entertainment thing. hard to bother me for a while.	[02:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00058978 = 15.8651 BTC [-] {2}	[02:10]
asciilifeform	and mircea_popescu has a much thicker pedagogic skin to begin with, i dare say	[02:10]
asciilifeform	like rhinoceros	[02:10]
mircea_popescu	i'll tell you waht it is. i get to sometimes beat the everliving shit out of the students.	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	it soothes a psyche an' brings balance.	[02:11]
mod6	trinque: thanks!	[02:11]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1231494 << this is actually a great fucking point. buncha immature twerps acting out their life like they're in some sort of movie.	[02:13]
assbot	Logged on 08-08-2015 23:16:19; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1231116 <<< mobile phones mang, it's not just you + her on the beach but you + 1000 beta faggots who follow her twitter/facebook/instagram + her on the beach	[02:13]
onlooker	mircea popescu, exactly and I wouldn't put you in the same category either despite your claim that you are a defacto banker. Anyway, I won't pay for your work, despite admiring your lovely way with language. I just feel that the one thing you miss is that you are not the only one able to come up with genius. Did one person invent the light globe? Copyright seems to say yes, but then the history of the victors is nothing new	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	in this view the nsa spying is more a required public service, like emergency health care.	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	onlooker copyright does not refer to inventions.	[02:13]
onlooker	at least Bitcoin is giving a larger voice to some	[02:14]
asciilifeform	wai wut ?!	[02:14]
*	asciilifeform perhaps lacks the lsd to follow this thread	[02:14]
mircea_popescu	which of the i dunno, three or so	[02:14]
asciilifeform	the 'bitcoin gives voice'	[02:15]
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mircea_popescu	lol irony	[02:15]
mircea_popescu	!up onlooker	[02:15]
-assbot-	You voiced onlooker for 30 minutes.	[02:15]
*	assbot gives voice to onlooker	[02:15]
mircea_popescu	well, it gives voice to someone somewhere i'm sure.	[02:15]
asciilifeform	the 'gurl with 1000 beta' is pretty clear, though it is a case of '1,2,3,infinity'	[02:15]
mircea_popescu	so it is.	[02:15]
asciilifeform	consider a circa-1990s email box	[02:15]
asciilifeform	it is a thing that barely exists outside of the chore of shoveling spamola	[02:16]
asciilifeform	('98, let's say specifically)	[02:16]
mod6	trinque: sig verifies & patch applies cleanly. thx again.	[02:16]
trinque	np	[02:16]
onlooker	mircea, if you are distinguishing between copyright and patents it seems a petty distinction to me. I put them in the same category, both intend to punish people for copying thoughts and ideas	[02:16]
mircea_popescu	when did knuth give it up, 86 ?	[02:17]
asciilifeform	'89 iirc but not related to spam	[02:17]
asciilifeform	just to the chore of interacting with people	[02:17]
mircea_popescu	onlooker one attaches to form, the other attaches to concept. this is a fundamental distinction in any case. see the earlier thread re lost 1800 tech know-how, and the russian z80s.	[02:17]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you perceive a difference there ?	[02:18]
onlooker	askiilifeform, perhaps I should say math is giving voice to the poor, because it doesn't distinguish my data from yours	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[02:18]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: between the chore of shoveling '98 spam and the chore of answering mail from other maths folks ?	[02:19]
asciilifeform	yes, difference. (though i appreciate knuth's choice)	[02:19]
mircea_popescu	what is it ? lower bar for one group ?	[02:19]
asciilifeform	one is people and the other is cockroaches	[02:19]
asciilifeform	both 'kingdom animalia', sure	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	mebbe not to knuth. but anyway	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1231524 << i had it as sushi. kinda sour.	[02:20]
assbot	Logged on 08-08-2015 23:32:08; mats: bet it's delicious with soy sauce and ginger	[02:20]
onlooker	it only distinguishes correct data from incorrect	[02:21]
asciilifeform	onlooker: 'math' as this mythological 'sword in the stone' that 'anyone!!!111!!' can just pick up and use, is unfortunately a fiction	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	onlooker how are the poor getting correct data iyo ?	[02:21]
asciilifeform	^	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	especially with no copyright. they just get cut out of the loop entirely.	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	me and five people will see the cannes films and poor people can watch reruns of "best ads of superbowl" over at denny's.	[02:22]
asciilifeform	onlooker: consider, for instance, the predicament of somebody trying to correctly implement plain old rsa algo.	[02:23]
asciilifeform	if you think that you can do it from a textbook, think again.	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	to everyone's benefit, this, of course. but anyway.	[02:23]
asciilifeform	and rsa is ~much~ simpler than, e.g., bitcoin.	[02:23]
asciilifeform	yet virtually anyone who has ever done it, had to saw open six different existing incarnations and study	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	what textbooks ? there are no textbooks because why sell shit for 10 dollars	[02:24]
asciilifeform	and ~still~ had even chances of blowing own head off	[02:24]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 'textbooks' in this case being - once you reject the outright drivel and pediwikia printouts - dour and very terse, encyclopaedic overview of the basic maths, typically	[02:25]
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mircea_popescu	which strictly exists because of the whole IP convention.	[02:25]
onlooker	I have a son, he's 9 months old, I have to change his nappy, he doesn't respect math, time, copyright or patent. He's poor. My nephew is 12, he has no money of his own, but he has a computer, mines his own coins, and although they are not worth much, he's able to participate, He can't participate in Banking, he's not even allowed to use his own account	[02:25]
asciilifeform	onlooker: 'participate' ?!!!	[02:26]
asciilifeform	what, precisely, is ^that^ good for ?!	[02:26]
mircea_popescu	apropos of nothing : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal	[02:26]
assbot	Rotherham child sexual exploitation scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1IANg6N )	[02:26]
asciilifeform	onlooker: there's a fella who's been sitting in front of the u.s. 'white house' since 1982.	[02:26]
asciilifeform	he is 'participating' in politics ?	[02:27]
onlooker	who are the vast majority of the poor? well, I would argue that those under 15 in the USSA have the biggest skin in the economic game despite being currently mostly excluded from it lol... Crypto could/may change that	[02:27]
asciilifeform	pray tell, how	[02:27]
mircea_popescu	turns out a bunch of pakis trafficked white girls as young as 12 by the thousands, for the reason of being white. which was concealed by the brits.	[02:27]
mircea_popescu	onlooker under 15 what, yo ?!	[02:28]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: could've sworn this was in the logz	[02:28]
mircea_popescu	if it was i missed it. but really, 20 years, 1-2k girls, this broadly speaking is on par with the results of the serbs.	[02:29]
asciilifeform	except that it was done by the darlings of the lizards	[02:29]
onlooker	mircea popescu, ask yourself this, would bitcoin work without copyright, if the answer is yes, then it's not a requirement for ideas to be shared while keeping an ownership record	[02:29]
asciilifeform	'what, my dog ate your baby? fuck your baby'	[02:29]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1231861 << this is doomed to come back at any rate. i.e. how mozart et al played.	[02:30]
assbot	Logged on 09-08-2015 05:23:00; mircea_popescu: me and five people will see the cannes films and poor people can watch reruns of "best ads of superbowl" over at denny's.	[02:30]
mircea_popescu	onlooker understand something : you got no leg into the world of ideas. i'm simply not sharing. copyright is there to give you a (slight) chance, nothing else.	[02:30]
asciilifeform	for all i know, this happened already long ago	[02:30]
asciilifeform	and mircea_popescu and the 4 other mircea_popescus are watching the good shit, while from my perch it looks like the entire western culture went poof	[02:31]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform earlier at restaurant i gestured for whatever small thing, girl ran off to do, whole tableful of idiotic argentine she-derps sat agape.	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	the unfuckable jersey wearing 30something set, too.	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	and i didn't even charge them for the copyright.	[02:33]
asciilifeform	surprised they paid attention!	[02:33]
onlooker	let me try another angle, would bitcoin work if it wasn't copyrighted? And if the answer is yes, does it follow that this means we can share ideas while keeping a record of who owns what without requiring this antiquated legal system?	[02:33]
mircea_popescu	prolly won't happen again.	[02:33]
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asciilifeform	i can sit in a restaurant in dc with pet and loudly consider 'let's bring back hitler and make him 300 metres tall and feed him prime jew rib' and no one notices	[02:33]
mircea_popescu	onlooker i don't think the antiquated legal system being retained was at any point contemplated.	[02:33]
mircea_popescu	there's articles about this on trilema, you'll get to them in due time.	[02:33]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform words do not speak as loudly as actions!	[02:34]
asciilifeform	the sensory bubbles in which u.s. folk walk around in at public places are astonishingly fine	[02:34]
onlooker	so you don't think copyright, patent's or the legal system are antiquated?	[02:34]
trinque	read the logs, guy.	[02:34]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: thing is, you gotta contend with the fact that to many folks, 'copyright' ~means~ britney and microshit	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform mayhap you have the upper hand with that yeah	[02:35]
asciilifeform	we aren't getting mozart for the bargain, no	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform no, i know where he's coming from. but what do you want me to say.	[02:35]
asciilifeform	if it were mozart - i would see the other perspective, yes	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	the horse's still not slow just because all these donkeys	[02:35]
asciilifeform	never seen the horse with own eyes, and don't expect to live to.	[02:36]
*	mircea_popescu remembers in horror the one and only boston symphonic orchestra session he went to	[02:36]
asciilifeform	what was wrong with it?	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	fucking twerps.	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	they played some modern shit. fucking insult to civilisation.	[02:37]
asciilifeform	american symphonics are on par with the rest of third world	[02:37]
asciilifeform	ugh	[02:37]
asciilifeform	i'll have you know that at my university they play (on symphonic orchestra, yes!).... 'super mario.'	[02:37]
asciilifeform	(and other related)	[02:37]
asciilifeform	obligatory:	[02:40]
asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DvCZ5HjbhI	[02:40]
onlooker	I just feel that if we actually shared ideas instead of hiding them from one another the world would be a smarter place. I realise the thinking required to get from here to there is a gargantuan leap	[02:40]
assbot	Futurama - Classical Music - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MURcp0 )	[02:40]
asciilifeform	onlooker: log.bitcoin-assets.com	[02:41]
asciilifeform	onlooker: yearz of ideaz, 100% gratis	[02:41]
asciilifeform	your local university library, too	[02:41]
asciilifeform	or did you have something else in mind.	[02:42]
onlooker	ah, they are old idea lol... they are a good start no doubt, but it's not really my point. Anyway I don't expect the world to see things as I do, if everyone agreed with me I'd be worried anyway lol	[02:44]
asciilifeform	onlooker: i for one would like to know what you had in mind	[02:44]
asciilifeform	i.e. what sort of ideas do you suppose are hidden from you by copyrasty	[02:44]
mats	lol	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	onlooker you're missing the part where i'm not sharing ideas with you. because who are you.	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	without copyrights, intellectual ghetto is a certainty.	[02:45]
*	assbot removes voice from onlooker	[02:45]
asciilifeform	!up onlooker	[02:45]
*	assbot gives voice to onlooker	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	with copyrights, intellectual ghetto is merely an unfortunate side effect.	[02:45]
asciilifeform	intellectual ghetto cuts both ways.	[02:46]
mircea_popescu	so they say.	[02:46]
asciilifeform	(see the adelberger thread)	[02:46]
onlooker	asciilifeform thanks for asking, I guess a lot of the ideas I'm interested in homeopathic and medical stuff. There's a lot of "cures" out there, and so much of it is behind paywalls. I don't really have a plan for how to change it, I just expect it change for the same reason I expect the money to end.	[02:47]
mircea_popescu	in any case, there's no rescuing the poor (and it's a morally dubious proposition to even try). let instead those of the poor that are there undeservedly claw their way out. over many generations of belaboured effort, ideally.	[02:48]
*	asciilifeform head-desks	[02:48]
phf	^	[02:48]
mats	wat, homeopathic medicine	[02:49]
mircea_popescu	wait. someone seriously imagines they're missing something by not reading random homeopatic tracts ?	[02:49]
onlooker	because despite excellent job adults have done conditioning young people to be slaves, there are some who just won't submit	[02:49]
mircea_popescu	when hiring a psychic, always hire the cheapest.	[02:49]
mircea_popescu	uh.	[02:49]
asciilifeform	where's that 'sanity dogma' piece by mircea_popescu	[02:49]
mircea_popescu	how old are you onlooker ?	[02:49]
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onlooker	mircea popescu they will only be the cheapest if you stop asking lol	[02:50]
onlooker	old enough to remember when the POTUS was admired as the leader of the free world, and young enough to hope I live to see the last POTUS haha	[02:52]
onlooker	why do you ask? I'm 40 ish	[02:52]
mircea_popescu	well because for a moment the slave thing and a previous comment sort-of made it look possible that you were 15	[02:53]
onlooker	mircea popescu, "the poor" is arbitrary anyway, I'm not suggested they even need rescuing rather they the playing field will be leveled whether the rich or elites help them or not	[02:56]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1231604 << because it was there first and thus was heard of first and thus etc.	[02:57]
assbot	Logged on 09-08-2015 03:20:47; asciilifeform: i STILL don't understand why just about everybody insists on building stator.	[02:57]
mircea_popescu	onlooker nah, the pendulum is swinging the other way. the poor had it way better than anyone would have expected, after the ww2 carnage. it is going away, it is perhaps never coming back to this degree.	[02:57]
onlooker	I wouldn't even try to argue morality, math is the only morality I respect, if you can call it that	[02:58]
mircea_popescu	expect a millenium of actual slavery for the plebs and not be disappointed by the events.	[02:58]
asciilifeform	'enjoy this dildo, but it has some splinters.' 'mmm, good, but oww' 'here's one with no splinters, laquered' '..... ow'	[02:58]
mircea_popescu	you know what's also fascinating in the same vein asciilifeform ? not everyone's courting the most beautiful girl in town! in a frictionless infospace they would! nevertheless...	[02:59]
asciilifeform	except that this 'gurl' can be in everyone's bed	[02:59]
asciilifeform	just for the asking.	[03:00]
mircea_popescu	like any other.	[03:00]
asciilifeform	mno.	[03:00]
asciilifeform	'any other' only works like this if you're mircea_popescu	[03:00]
mircea_popescu	you'd be surprised.	[03:00]
mircea_popescu	lol	[03:00]
onlooker	I said I had a son, anyway 15 hey, I guess my grammar and smaller vocab could be an excuse to think that	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	srsly, you need what, 15 minutes of her time tops ? she's got the whole day.	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	onlooker how did you get the idea homeopathy does something, anyway ?	[03:01]
asciilifeform	'srsly, how hard to build reactor! dig some shit out of the ground, rearrange it a bit'	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1231648 < depends in whose maze.	[03:02]
assbot	Logged on 09-08-2015 03:41:54; pete_dushenski: being a lab rat isn't world's worst job after all	[03:02]
pete_dushenski	well, stan's maze then.	[03:03]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1231673 < they are useful.	[03:03]
assbot	Logged on 09-08-2015 03:47:30; mod6: so it wouldnt be a waste of my time to proceed in that direction?	[03:03]
onlooker	mircea, homeopathy is practiced by a wide variety and includes a vast array of alternative medicine, I'm not suggesting it all works or doesn't. I'm just pointing out that it's difficult to investigate alternative claims when I have to hack around paywalls that I don't respect	[03:04]
mircea_popescu	i thought homeopathy was that thing where diluting things makes them work.	[03:05]
mircea_popescu	this idea seems to be borne by your talk of vast arrays ?	[03:05]
onlooker	mirciea popescu, now your making fun of me lol	[03:05]
ben_vulpes	just you?	[03:06]
onlooker	perhaps I should have made it more vague and said "alternative medicine"	[03:06]
mircea_popescu	i was actually earnest. but anyway, yes, say alternative medicine, get fewer people in wtf state.	[03:07]
ben_vulpes	;;later tell mod6 http://dpaste.com/3YFS9YV.txt << test2 logs for ya << that's the whole log?	[03:08]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1KbfsND )	[03:08]
pete_dushenski	ben_vulpes: clearly not. just the end parts	[03:09]
ben_vulpes	re was explained in grant morrison's INVISIBLES series. get your facts, straight son, straight from the source. fnord. << i think there are characters missing from this line but i can't tell	[03:09]
ben_vulpes	i STILL don't understand why just about everybody insists on building stator. << adoption takes a few weeks, have you seen the android numbers?	[03:10]
ben_vulpes	unless you're apple and can forcibly cram your changes down the world's throat, you have to wait for the world to catch up to your releases.	[03:10]
onlooker	Ok so alternative medicine, homeopaths are where generally recognised as doctors prior to the AMA and big pharmas takeover of american medicine. If I'm telling you something you don't know I'll feel special :)	[03:11]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: the funny part isn't that folks didn't go straight there, but that 'here is a pill against your headaches from last month+.' '.....'	[03:11]
trinque	lots of people were wrongly recognized as all kinds of things in the past.	[03:11]
trinque	onlooker: ^	[03:11]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: and what happened with that db locks patch of yours	[03:12]
ben_vulpes	those patches	[03:12]
mircea_popescu	anyway, i suppose this is when we say that the log is both free and good reading and call it a day.	[03:12]
ben_vulpes	!down onlooker	[03:12]
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asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: folks who were reading the fucking log, had zero problems.	[03:12]
ben_vulpes	i'm here for ten minutes	[03:12]
ben_vulpes	patches and submissions to the ml must stand on their own.	[03:12]
mircea_popescu	we should be in a syncronised swimming team ben_vulpes	[03:12]
ben_vulpes	log is not adequate documentation.	[03:12]
asciilifeform	folks who somehow thought that the ml has meaning outside of #b-a, and happened to show up and read ml in precisely the wrong three minutes - may have scratched their head in frustration	[03:13]
asciilifeform	and had to patch again, rebuild.	[03:13]
ben_vulpes	"corrected" with no further context is useless.	[03:13]
ben_vulpes	USELESS.	[03:13]
ben_vulpes	why was previous broken?	[03:13]
ben_vulpes	why is current fixed?	[03:13]
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asciilifeform	since ben_vulpes is unhappy with this pattern, the next time ~every~ therealbitcoin node grinds to a halt on account of some shitgnomery, i won't be staying up at 3am releasing a patch.	[03:14]
asciilifeform	will let ben_vulpes do it.	[03:14]
ben_vulpes	eh relax	[03:15]
asciilifeform	srsly context was in the log. and the first time anybody asked, i linked to it.	[03:15]
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asciilifeform	i would dearly love to write a lengthy treatise to the ml on every single occasion	[03:16]
asciilifeform	but sadly i work in uranium mine and - not so much time, energy.	[03:16]
asciilifeform	incidentally there is nothing shameful in writing a commentary to another fella's patch	[03:16]
ben_vulpes	somewhere between s.nsa poems and zilc h in email body is some utility i'm sure	[03:17]
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ben_vulpes	oh i'm aware, have written at least one taludic entry	[03:17]
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ben_vulpes	anyways, do you insist on refusing to see the hysteresis in the system?	[03:18]
pete_dushenski	!up Guest96371	[03:18]
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pete_dushenski	hey adam	[03:18]
Guest96371	Mr D how goes it?	[03:19]
pete_dushenski	just cracking away at 'rotor' over here. any you ?	[03:19]
phf	ben_vulpes: i have fresh formulas for the brew. also i've verified that eulora indeed builds with gcc-4.9	[03:19]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: the point i was trying to get across is that we are nowhere near a point where folks who are not #b-a regulars can really get into the true meat of the matter	[03:20]
asciilifeform	and pretending otherwise would, imho, be counterproductive	[03:20]
pete_dushenski	asciilifeform: "copy my rotor_buildroot_dot_config to the now-untarred buildroot dir as '.config'" << speaking of which, i seem to be snagged up here. can't find 'rotor_buildroot_dot_config'	[03:20]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: it is in the tarball	[03:20]
Guest96371	Sounds like fun! Just figured I would tune in and see if anyone had anything interesting to say!	[03:20]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150727/rotor_4c86b82236ebc4926a6ace8fb8310f37b948c8f1.tar.gz << it	[03:21]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1MUUbhn )	[03:21]
pete_dushenski	asciilifeform: ah k	[03:21]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: no arguments there.	[03:21]
ben_vulpes	but patches must stand alone	[03:22]
asciilifeform	for the eulora folks, i will point out that the toolchain in 'rotor' could just as easily build their thing	[03:22]
asciilifeform	if there was some reason to.	[03:22]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: the patches produced with antecedent marks (see earlier thread) could, hypothetically, stand alone.	[03:23]
ben_vulpes	don't confuse the issue.	[03:23]
asciilifeform	one would, if lacking any other guidance, take 'longest chain'	[03:23]
pete_dushenski	Guest96371: there was some pretty decent conversation earlier today, mostly between asciilifeform and mircea_popescu about chip fabrication and game theory. start here maybe http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1230072	[03:23]
assbot	Logged on 08-08-2015 03:27:00; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1229784 << this is only a problem of resource distribution. yes, in a world where for incomprehensible reasons every unit of plancton gets disposable money, you get britney spears and reddit.	[03:24]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform interesting how it comes to mining	[03:24]
mircea_popescu	all things.	[03:24]
mircea_popescu	all things come home.	[03:24]
asciilifeform	no shit.	[03:25]
asciilifeform	'lead to rome'	[03:25]
ben_vulpes	aight my ten are up	[03:25]
ben_vulpes	do forgive my frustrated prodding, asciilifeform.	[03:26]
pete_dushenski	Guest96371: and if you also feel like giving 'rotor' (static linux and bitcoin build) a crack : http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000133.html	[03:26]
assbot	[BTC-dev] Rotor! ... ( http://bit.ly/1InQxW4 )	[03:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.0005837 = 18.0071 BTC [-] {2}	[03:26]
ben_vulpes	bwaha	[03:26]
ben_vulpes	phf: Error: No such file or directory - getcwd	[03:26]
phf	heheh	[03:27]
ben_vulpes	brew install getcwd fails too	[03:27]
ben_vulpes	wth	[03:27]
ben_vulpes	everything is broken	[03:27]
ben_vulpes	i can't compile anyone's code	[03:27]
ben_vulpes	clearly i don't understand how the world werkz	[03:27]
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pete_dushenski	bon soir	[03:28]
*	ben_vulpes to good old fashioned entertainment with girl	[03:28]
phf	i'm pretty sure once i manage to build eulora on someone else's machine i'm just going to retire from computing altogether	[03:28]
Guest96371	Thanks pete_dushenski I'll have a look :)	[03:29]
cazalla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1231871 <<< what is with (i assume) americans and no banking under 18? one of the first things we did at school was open a junior saver account whereby each friday the local banker rep would come by to collect our bank books and our $2 deposit each week, every week, each year without fail	[03:30]
assbot	Logged on 09-08-2015 05:25:46; onlooker: I have a son, he's 9 months old, I have to change his nappy, he doesn't respect math, time, copyright or patent. He's poor. My nephew is 12, he has no money of his own, but he has a computer, mines his own coins, and although they are not worth much, he's able to participate, He can't participate in Banking, he's not even allowed to use his own account	[03:30]
pete_dushenski	Guest96371: btw where's your pgp key this fine evening ? y'know you can auth and self-voice with assbot eh	[03:30]
Guest96371	I did, but I was just checking in. I'm heading offline now!	[03:31]
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pete_dushenski	mkay	[03:31]
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pete_dushenski	asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/2D45S3S.txt << still tripping up on rotor step 9	[03:48]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1goqK9G )	[03:49]
pete_dushenski	i'm probably doing something hilariously wrong, however.	[03:49]
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pete_dushenski	ok, turns out i needed 'ncurses'. got that now.	[03:58]
cazalla	http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-09/australians-paying-thousands-after-ransomware-virus-infection/6683618 "The deputy chairwoman of the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission, Delia Rickard, said over the past two months there had been a spike in the number of people falling victim to the scam. " "The commission has received 2,500 complaints this year and estimates about $400,000 has been paid to the hackers." fucking australians	[03:59]
cazalla	eh	[03:59]
assbot	Ransomware virus: Australians forced to pay as latest encryption virus is 'unbreakable', security expert says - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( http://bit.ly/1hr8BZD )	[03:59]
mircea_popescu	so funny that they collect all this data	[03:59]
mircea_popescu	to have what to pay for.	[03:59]
mircea_popescu	total cuckold, the govt.	[03:59]
pete_dushenski	;;later tell asciilifeform with 'ncurses' installed, i went back to the buildroot dir, tried to 'make' and ended up with 'error 127' http://dpaste.com/0YZX5Y0.txt	[04:02]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[04:02]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1gosrUs )	[04:02]
punkman	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1231754 << copying, as in I downloaded a torrent and watched it?	[04:03]
assbot	Logged on 09-08-2015 04:57:03; mircea_popescu: consider the controlling case, as i opposed it to diametric s question back in the day. so quentin tarantino comes in here all upsed about you copying his latest movie. what do i say, "fuck off qt, if you made a movie you didn'ty make that movie" ?	[04:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24852 @ 0.00058952 = 14.6508 BTC [+]	[04:04]
pete_dushenski	;;later tell asciilifeform the only other modification i made was choosing 'target architecture : x86_64' in the config menu.	[04:06]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[04:06]
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*	pete_dushenski wonders if it matters that 'builtroot' has 'configs', 'Config.in', 'Config.in.legacy', and stan's 'config' file. seems like a lot of configs, but what does he know ?	[04:10]
punkman	pete_dushenski: did you install rsync?	[04:17]
pete_dushenski	mnope	[04:17]
pete_dushenski	!s locale	[04:21]
assbot	52 results for 'locale' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=locale	[04:21]
punkman	fukken locales, I hate them	[04:21]
pete_dushenski	just installed 'unzip' and 'bc', now "You need at least one UTF8 locale to build a toolchain supporting locales "	[04:22]
punkman	pete_dushenski: perhaps locale-gen will help	[04:23]
punkman	(or set them manually)	[04:24]
pete_dushenski	weird, i tried 'locale-gen' and it came back with 'generation complete', then threw the same error when i tried to 'make' again	[04:24]
punkman	for future testers http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/systemd/chapter07/locale.html	[04:25]
assbot	7.7. Configuring the System Locale ... ( http://bit.ly/1hra3eu )	[04:25]
pete_dushenski	sweet baby moses i set the locales and the thing's off to the races !!!1	[04:38]
pete_dushenski	http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/08/07/donald-trump-and-jon-stewart-arent-so-different-after-all/	[04:44]
assbot	Donald Trump and Jon Stewart aren’t so different after all ... ( http://bit.ly/1hrbhq5 )	[04:44]
pete_dushenski	"Though the Trump show and the Daily Show both present populist, anti-establishment points of view, their use of entertainment provides a way to actually reinforcere the political and economic power of the establishment that both regularly admonish."	[04:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33900 @ 0.00058395 = 19.7959 BTC [-]	[04:46]
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*	pete_dushenski just noticed asciilifeform's 'if you are having locale issues' note on 'rotor' buildsheet	[05:00]
punkman	pete_dushenski: consider this "gcc, toolchain, etc. will LOAD FROM THE NET!" since you seem to be running it as root	[05:13]
pete_dushenski	hm now it's tell me it can't cd to bitcoin/bitcoin/src and i'm running out of steam this evening.	[05:16]
pete_dushenski	last chunk of logs looks like so : http://dpaste.com/2CTV83N.txt	[05:17]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1DEUutx )	[05:17]
pete_dushenski	for whatever use that may be.	[05:17]
punkman	do you have realpath?	[05:17]
pete_dushenski	yup	[05:17]
punkman	jsut making sure :P	[05:17]
pete_dushenski	reasonable q !	[05:17]
punkman	open rotor.sh, look at the filepaths	[05:18]
pete_dushenski	i'm about as n00bing as they come around here and i still feel like i'm shockingly, wonderfully close to making rotor work	[05:18]
punkman	just gotta change line 49 "cd bitcoin/bitcoin/src;" to something that works	[05:20]
punkman	and you can run rotor_bitcoin_only.sh now	[05:20]
punkman	although there's that gcc failure on bzip, might be a problem	[05:22]
pete_dushenski	punkman: what would be 'something that works' for line 49 of rotor.sh ?	[05:23]
punkman	pete_dushenski: absolute path would probably work	[05:23]
punkman	(if you use bitcoin_only.sh gotta change it there too)	[05:27]
pete_dushenski	i think this project can wait to be continued tomorrow.	[05:28]
pete_dushenski	thanks punkman, your help is much appreciated.	[05:29]
pete_dushenski	g'nite !	[05:29]
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punkman	why is it looking for bzip? it's supposed to be toggled by "./bjam toolset=gcc link=static -sNO_BZIP2=1 -sNO_ZLIB=1 -sNO_COMPRESSION=1;"	[05:30]
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wywialm	hi	[07:04]
chetty	hola	[07:06]
wywialm	ben_vulpes, the application is currently a standalone python app, not a web browser app. We are working on a convenient in-browser app that would work with PGP	[07:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00058625 = 4.5141 BTC [-] {3}	[07:12]
punkman	wywialm: are you planning to use openpgp.js?	[07:17]
wywialm	considering it, but sane in-browser pgp is not straightforward	[07:18]
punkman	just say no	[07:23]
kakobrekla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1231118 < lolk	[07:25]
assbot	Logged on 08-08-2015 17:36:20; phf: i thought maybe it's from too much internet, but no, there was a group of girls that acted like normal human beings, coy and playful and active. turned out they were slovenian	[07:25]
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wywialm	punkman, is there something that i should be aware of in case of openpgp.js? is it flawed?	[07:38]
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punkman	wywialm: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-01-2015#974719	[07:39]
assbot	Logged on 12-01-2015 19:56:48; punkman: PSA: openpgpjs is broken	[07:39]
wywialm	thanks for the info, could you point to more details?	[07:40]
punkman	well dunno might appear to be working now, but I've tried validation openpgp.js signatures from 3 people and all failed	[07:41]
punkman	*validating	[07:41]
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shinohai	Javascript cryptography is a big no-no anyway	[07:43]
wywialm	well, this is one of reasons we now have only a desktop app	[07:46]
shinohai	;;ticker	[07:48]
gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 264.26, Best ask: 264.27, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 264.26, 24 hour volume: 44712.31461482, 24 hour low: 260.62, 24 hour high: 278.35, 24 hour vwap: None	[07:48]
shinohai	http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/ethereum/ <<< top kek	[07:55]
assbot	Ethereum (ETH) price, charts, and info \| Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pexkvq )	[07:55]
punkman	Available Supply 60,393,161 Total Supply 72,294,645 ETH	[07:56]
punkman	it's all for sale :P	[07:56]
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shinohai	If you want to be an Ethereum god, nows yer chance.	[08:06]
punkman	http://banxcapital.com/	[08:07]
assbot	Bitcoin Investment - Crypto Shares \| Banx Capital ... ( http://bit.ly/1PexYcz )	[08:07]
punkman	lulzy	[08:07]
kakobrekla	http://banxcapital.com/about/ (see ceo pic) http://www.onlineprofitpartner.com/special/	[08:10]
shinohai	lol ... "Your ticket to the moon"	[08:10]
assbot	Bitcoin Investment - Crypto Shares \| Banx Capital ... ( http://bit.ly/1Peyasf )	[08:10]
assbot	Online Profit Partner ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeyaIz )	[08:10]
shinohai	Sound like just another MLM scam to me.	[08:10]
shinohai	Ethereum, now with pyramid schemes: http://pastebin.com/AGDsJL6j	[08:13]
assbot	These are the first ever verifiable pyramid schemes with provably known rules! - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeykzF )	[08:13]
kakobrekla	backed by the govt.	[08:13]
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shinohai	http://samouraiwallet.com/ heh	[08:39]
assbot	Samourai Bitcoin Wallet ... ( http://bit.ly/1PezwTE )	[08:39]
shinohai	imma request alpha access to see if I can break it.	[08:39]
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punkman	http://marklyford.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Lyford-Company-Tree-25-June-2015.jpg	[10:00]
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mircea_popescu	chetty : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1231874 here is your argument, in all its hideous nude glory. and it goes like so :	[10:51]
assbot	Logged on 09-08-2015 05:26:46; mircea_popescu: apropos of nothing : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal	[10:51]
mircea_popescu	some people, for reasons nobody really grasps in spite of trying for millenia (yes, it's a thing since forever) and in spite of having maybe some decent theories, want to fuck twelve year olds.	[10:52]
mircea_popescu	the white people who want this generally sit around the internet "being cypherpunks" and exchanging... depictions of the act. and often enough being "caught" and "prosecuted", on the very untenable rationale that their engagement in the victimless "crime" of exchanging bits somehow promotes and empowers the actual people doing the actual crime of you know, raping preteens.	[10:53]
mircea_popescu	we don't really know what the paki people who want this do, chiefly because we don't want to. but if we do : in pakistan, they go right the fuck ahead and rape the lot. and in rotherdam, england, they do the exact same.	[10:54]
mircea_popescu	this is the whole thing. what'd you tell a guy who wants to rape twelve year olds ? that it's bad ? he did not ask you that. and you can tell him to you know, wait around on social media untill the cute teenie across the street douses herself in gasoline and invites him over.	[10:55]
mircea_popescu	the alternative, where he texts a chick "hey, we got our sister, we're torturing her, come join" just as the chick in question was giving testimony to the supposed government of the uk - a more illegitimate contrivance never having been known to man, incidentally, they have all the legitimacy to govern kim jong il's favourite dog does.	[10:56]
mircea_popescu	and she does. SHE DOES.	[10:56]
mircea_popescu	offered the simple choice of A. stick with the alleged representatives of the schmucks that trade pictures of your rape and jack off in "online anonymity" and joining the raping party, she chooses to join the raping party.	[10:56]
mircea_popescu	that's the discussion. there is not now, nor was ever, nor will ever be invented a manner, stratagem or device to circumvent activity, or to make the passive on par with the active.	[10:57]
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mircea_popescu	the entire fancy with western society and emancipation and freedom and have you rests on the reserve, no matter how muted, that "it's either this or we rape you". it needs to sit there like the nuclear option needs to sit on the table, for once it goes away, twelve fucking year olds choose, of their own fucking free will, to join the pakis for an all night / all weekend / all the years to come anal stretching, caned bu	[11:03]
mircea_popescu	ttocks and generally bloodied existence. that's how her choice plays out, and in her age and in her anonimity i believe she stands representative.	[11:03]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile, the fucking ~times~ has to do its own investigation because the reps of the crown are completely lost in their pipe dreams to the point they're covering themselves in the mud of publicly ridicule eagery and with both hands.	[11:04]
mircea_popescu	the fucking township in question has to pay independent experts to come and inquire, because it's fucking 1600 iowa over there in rotherdam.	[11:04]
mircea_popescu	and the sheriff never made it yet to the territory.	[11:04]
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mircea_popescu	how come the us schmucks ranting on about their endless and universal jurisdiction over everything to the degree that they seek the extradition of random people derping on the internet have yet failed to seek the extradition of the i dunno, 10k or whatever pakis from england that did the child porn one better ?	[11:08]
mircea_popescu	seems odd. if you want it, that legitimacy and that position, boys and girls, this is what you do. and that you don't do it is why people, such as myself, mostly point and laugh at your untenable pretenses of "regulating" bitcoin or online whatever.	[11:09]
mircea_popescu	i'm sure "the commerce clause" allows one to invade and try rotherdam just as well as it allows one to put the silkroad derp in prison and try miloshevich. why the fuck not, after all.	[11:10]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38300 @ 0.00060047 = 22.998 BTC [+] {3}	[11:18]
mircea_popescu	and in all this rests a lesson for practical everyday use, too. if you are actually man enough to let your girl know you'll beat the shit out of her if need be, which you generally won't even need to do after an initial stage of infantile testing of the theory as proposed, she'll be the most loving, loyal and internally happy woman that she could ever be.	[11:20]
mircea_popescu	whereas if you do not, she ~might~, maybe, manage to maintain superior brain function control over the rest of herself, and be some sort of a first approximation of the above. maybe. or maybe she won't, and go seek to be assuaged in the arms of other men, more inclined to provide the need - for it is a need. the surogates may work or not, but generally dont, and you'll know about it because if she thinks you're enough	[11:20]
mircea_popescu	of a girlfriend of hers rather than a man she'll tell you.	[11:20]
mircea_popescu	how's that for a "basics of relationships" guide.	[11:20]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1232067 << an do what ? gardening and child rearing ?	[11:29]
assbot	Logged on 09-08-2015 06:28:55; phf: i'm pretty sure once i manage to build eulora on someone else's machine i'm just going to retire from computing altogether	[11:29]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1232108 << i never watched any of the first or much of the second, but it is painfully obvious even from five minutes no matter how chosen that the principal function of the stewart twerp is exactly the same thing as with that other one what's his face.	[11:33]
assbot	Logged on 09-08-2015 07:45:20; pete_dushenski: "Though the Trump show and the Daily Show both present populist, anti-establishment points of view, their use of entertainment provides a way to actually reinforcere the political and economic power of the establishment that both regularly admonish."	[11:33]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/parody-is-not-there-for-you-cancerous-fags-to-try-and-hide-your-cancer-behind-it/ < this one.	[11:33]
assbot	"Parody" is not there for you cancerous fags to try and hide your cancer behind it. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1T9xolV )	[11:33]
mircea_popescu	in fact im pretty sure he's just doing a stewart repackaging, but with more "support the government!" spam in it.	[11:34]
mircea_popescu	kindergarten keepers in costume, basically.	[11:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26500 @ 0.00060722 = 16.0913 BTC [+]	[11:37]
mircea_popescu	because what do the kiddies watching know.	[11:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17082 @ 0.00060767 = 10.3802 BTC [+] {3}	[11:40]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1232173 << sad, but true. imbeciles.	[11:41]
assbot	Logged on 09-08-2015 11:14:06; kakobrekla: backed by the govt.	[11:41]
mircea_popescu	because yeah, doubling down against mp ever fucking worked. so maryland uni really wants to "win" at internets, right ? digs itself deeper, alf thinks hey, they're home free. i say it won't last, he says nothing ever lasts, we're at a standoff.	[11:41]
mats	http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/09/us-teslamotors-cash-insight-idUSKCN0QE0DC20150809	[11:43]
assbot	Insight: Tesla burns cash, loses more than $4,000 on every car sold	[11:43]
mircea_popescu	doh.	[11:43]
kakobrekla	how is 4k anything	[11:46]
kakobrekla	how much the car costs 100k?	[11:46]
mircea_popescu	so what's the idea, "i'm making a loss on every sale but hope to make it up on volume" ?	[11:47]
mircea_popescu	if a car costs more to make than it retails for, it costs more to make than it should by about 50%. you think volksvagen spends 20k to make a car they sell for 30 ? they don't.	[11:48]
kakobrekla	the question is whats the point of not charging 104k instead 100k	[11:48]
mircea_popescu	ah	[11:48]
mircea_popescu	i would guess their costs balooned unexpectedly after they had the marketing discussion and fixed a price point	[11:48]
mircea_popescu	and were stuck and didn't know hjow to fix it.	[11:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30073 @ 0.00060803 = 18.2853 BTC [+] {3}	[11:48]
kakobrekla	ah maybe.	[11:48]
punkman	you mean Tesla can't find a dozen stupid things to upsell?	[11:48]
mircea_popescu	their "home battery" thing isn't catching on.	[11:49]
mircea_popescu	which is suppose is technically better than it catching fire, but this is only from the pov of anyone but tesla.	[11:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18650 @ 0.0006062 = 11.3056 BTC [-] {4}	[11:51]
shinohai	But they have a nifty snake-like auto charger now!	[11:57]
*	mircea_popescu remembers the days last decade when apple was making money by including a two inch cable for chargers and selling a normal length one.	[11:57]
mircea_popescu	somehow the crappleheads took deliberate bugs for features throughout the lifetime of that scam.	[11:58]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23057 @ 0.00061408 = 14.1588 BTC [+]	[12:09]
kakobrekla	dont they still do approx the same	[12:09]
mircea_popescu	i confess i've not been following. maybe.	[12:10]
kakobrekla	50 bux cable with proprietary connector	[12:10]
kakobrekla	the good thing is chinese dont give a fuck and copy it for a buck, but it works only for a week, if.	[12:10]
mircea_popescu	yet.	[12:11]
mircea_popescu	that's how they started, i recall the shit they proudly made in the 80s	[12:11]
mircea_popescu	"made in china" lol, was like... "found by dumpster"	[12:11]
asciilifeform	danielpbarron et al: herr fare has a new site, http://ngnghm.github.io	[12:13]
assbot	Houyhnhnm Computing ... ( http://bit.ly/1T9FUl2 )	[12:13]
shinohai	https://i.imgur.com/dTV6PWv.webm <<< Brasil is where IT'S AT!	[12:13]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1T9FWcx )	[12:13]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1232205 << mircea_popescu knows exactly why.	[12:14]
assbot	Logged on 09-08-2015 14:08:56; mircea_popescu: how come the us schmucks ranting on about their endless and universal jurisdiction over everything to the degree that they seek the extradition of random people derping on the internet have yet failed to seek the extradition of the i dunno, 10k or whatever pakis from england that did the child porn one better ?	[12:14]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform mircea_popescu doesn't give a shit about that.	[12:14]
asciilifeform	the pakis are a designated imported predator, as per 'yi yi zhi yi' algo. they are doing their job.	[12:14]
mircea_popescu	i'm not in the business of understandingly strangling the enemy.	[12:15]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform poor pakis.	[12:15]
asciilifeform	(yes, the pakis are enforcers for usg.)	[12:15]
mircea_popescu	at least the turks just massacred the armenians. what their allies the anglos did in east india...	[12:16]
mircea_popescu	"i have sinned"	[12:16]
asciilifeform	think, without pakis, how much less air compressor for the real estate bubble in paki-free zones	[12:16]
asciilifeform	the more rapy, from this perspective, the more effective.	[12:17]
mircea_popescu	and how many women sexually frustrated.	[12:17]
asciilifeform	same algo was successfully used in usa	[12:17]
mircea_popescu	i think by now it takes about a dozen englishmen to screw in the lightbulb so to speak.	[12:17]
chetty	well zeros new urban planning thing will fix it so no more paki free zones	[12:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44200 @ 0.00061668 = 27.2573 BTC [+] {6}	[12:18]
asciilifeform	british usg colonial lapdogs merely copied.	[12:18]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform imagine for a second if you will, how utterly it must suck to be one of the paki betas. which yes, all groups have in the same proportion everywhere, and what's more	[12:18]
mircea_popescu	immigrants are selected for beta, always. because fuck, alpha's not leaving.	[12:19]
mircea_popescu	"your job is to X and i don't recall asking if you were rather equipped for Y mr. whatsyourname!"	[12:19]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i must point out that this is only applicable to agricultural tribes. chechens and other migratories - not so! alpha leaves. raiding party.	[12:19]
mircea_popescu	a people that was principally known for excewllent house servants a century ago is now suddenly and magically turned into this mythological black beast of southern yore ?	[12:20]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform mebbe.	[12:20]
mircea_popescu	on the other hand, the number of black dudes inadequate about their penis ("it's only six and a half inches!!!") far exceedes the number of white dudes so worried (its like four dude.)	[12:21]
asciilifeform	now, for the other prong of the question, 'omg121111!!1111 ch1ld pr0n!' prosecutions in usa are always, without exception about one thing: 'know that you can go to the camps for having certain bitstrings on your hdd. and that if we want to, we can put them there, aha.'	[12:21]
mircea_popescu	which percent-wise is "vast majority" sorta thing	[12:21]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you are aware i was discussing the formal, not the substantial reality, rite?	[12:22]
asciilifeform	aha.	[12:23]
asciilifeform	but doesn't hurt to illustrate the substantial a bit.	[12:24]
mircea_popescu	in other lulz of today, "genocide of white race - all white women fuck black guys, white genes are recessive, future will be all black babies!!1"	[12:24]
mircea_popescu	derps never went to fucking school already. here's a little secret : the DEFINITION of a recessive gene is "the gene which never dies out"	[12:25]
mircea_popescu	that's the thing. why we still have hemophilia in spite of it not being desirable : dominant genes manifest by themselves, and thus you can't have unharmed carriers, and thus they die out under pressure.	[12:25]
mircea_popescu	recessive genes do not manifest by themselves, thus you can have unaffected carriers. thus they never die out.	[12:25]
mircea_popescu	and yes even today black couples have blue eyed, blond haired babies. it happens.	[12:26]
*	mircea_popescu idly imagines what nazi germany'd have been like if instead of extermination camps, they just had laws that made jewish women go around naked and always say yes to cock.	[12:27]
mircea_popescu	if the traditional hussiness of the jewish young woman's any indication...	[12:28]
mircea_popescu	thousand year reich fo sho.	[12:28]
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asciilifeform	http://fare.tunes.org/computing/reclaim_your_computer.html << turns out fare has some decent material	[12:33]
assbot	Who Controls Your Computer? (And How to make sure it's you) ... ( http://bit.ly/1T9KkIA )	[12:33]
asciilifeform	from back when.	[12:33]
asciilifeform	or hm, undated	[12:33]
asciilifeform	hmm^2, definitely borrows material from us, rather than vice-versa.	[12:34]
asciilifeform	unattributed.	[12:35]
mircea_popescu	"1.1.4 The buck stops with you"	[12:35]
mircea_popescu	not bad, but also a show stopper.	[12:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.00062008 = 7.906 BTC [+]	[12:38]
mircea_popescu	http://36.media.tumblr.com/bd2de1675743ceef8e270f91abcd9a99/tumblr_nnjacww45d1tqyeivo1_1280.jpg << like the first good one.	[12:39]
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assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1T9LV13 )	[12:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00060559 = 14.0497 BTC [-]	[12:40]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 5.1.3 is lulzy	[12:44]
asciilifeform	(2,3)	[12:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00062014 = 14.6353 BTC [+] {2}	[12:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9304 @ 0.00060687 = 5.6463 BTC [-]	[12:50]
*	mircea_popescu reloads the page	[12:51]
mircea_popescu	"5.1.3 The Ultimate Stake Let me stress what is ultimately at stake: Liberty itself. In this race between human farmers and free humans, there are only two possible end games: in the end, either we extirpate farming, by exterminating any would-be farmer, or they turn humans into cattle, and extirpate any free will by exterminating free men."	[12:51]
mircea_popescu	sometimes i wonder why is thinking so difficult anyway.	[12:51]
asciilifeform	not that 'thinking is hard,' but that pulling one's cock is easy	[12:52]
mircea_popescu	there is only one possible end game, and that is a thermodynamic constraint. otherwise, what fucking end game. some people will be slaves and some people will be stuck with the broadly unappealing job of herding them.	[12:52]
mircea_popescu	i guess you're right.	[12:52]
mircea_popescu	anwyay, /me lacks the patience for that page.	[12:53]
asciilifeform	in a farm process, there are three animals, rather than two	[12:53]
asciilifeform	not only farmer and cow,	[12:53]
asciilifeform	but also milk-drinker	[12:53]
mircea_popescu	only recently.	[12:53]
asciilifeform	aha	[12:53]
mircea_popescu	but i mean things more dunfamental. like. "liberty itself is at stake".	[12:53]
mircea_popescu	obviously you took no programming, or otherwise you'd know you can't possibly dereference ... THE CONCEPT OF REFERENCE.	[12:54]
mircea_popescu	motherfucker.	[12:54]
asciilifeform	that page is a valuable anthropologic resource, though. fella clearly has been lurking here for years	[12:55]
asciilifeform	(based on clues in other sections)	[12:55]
mircea_popescu	always with this immodest wankery.	[12:55]
mircea_popescu	schmucks on one side of the twitter debate are "saving the environment" while schmucks at the other side are "liberty is at stake!!!"	[12:55]
mircea_popescu	as fucking if.	[12:55]
asciilifeform	symptom of the basic difficulty of escaping 'enemy with outposts in your head'	[12:56]
mircea_popescu	check it out yo, if you keep farting you might end good digestion itself!!1	[12:56]
mircea_popescu	"there used to be such a thing as intestinal transit. sadly that ended one day some dude from paris, wisconsin didn't wipe his ass properly."	[12:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53900 @ 0.00062146 = 33.4967 BTC [+] {2}	[12:57]
asciilifeform	https://cryptome.org/2015/08/karbala-ew-keysight.htm << mega-l0l	[13:02]
assbot	Karbala EW Attacks Keysight ... ( http://bit.ly/1T9RpJ7 )	[13:02]
mircea_popescu	cynthia_johnson@agilent.com	[13:05]
mircea_popescu	lol poor woman.	[13:05]
mircea_popescu	"we are observing the scene and waiting . you are not anonymous . expect us ." << notice a change ?	[13:06]
asciilifeform	nah	[13:06]
asciilifeform	same spiel since... '10 ?	[13:07]
mircea_popescu	no. it was "we are legion. expect us."	[13:07]
asciilifeform	big phat difference ?	[13:08]
mircea_popescu	major differences. fucking plural.	[13:09]
asciilifeform	still waiting for the interesting seekretz	[13:09]
mircea_popescu	how about you date some agilent women then ?	[13:09]
mircea_popescu	that's your opening, srsly. "hey, I got your email off the cryptome leak thing. wanna go for a cup of coffee ?"	[13:10]
asciilifeform	i doubt very much that there are women in 'compartments'	[13:11]
mircea_popescu	this is like saying "you doubt very much there is water in the crust".	[13:11]
asciilifeform	eh no.	[13:11]
mircea_popescu	ever heard of fracking ?	[13:11]
asciilifeform	example of interesting seekrit: 'magic packet that turns an intel nic to arbitrary-dma whatever into/out of ram'	[13:12]
mircea_popescu	so what are you waiting for. go get it! your list's there.	[13:12]
asciilifeform	the general rule is that an item like this is known to 3 people: the fella who ordered it; the fella who implemented it; and the fella in charge of shooting either or both if they talk	[13:12]
mircea_popescu	and the women.	[13:12]
asciilifeform	nah those know, respectively, 'mine signs paper,' 'mine diddles code,' 'mine shoots'	[13:13]
mircea_popescu	the woman dude. not the cows. the women.	[13:13]
asciilifeform	they have those in usa ?	[13:13]
mircea_popescu	make some if they don't.	[13:14]
asciilifeform	l0l out of what	[13:14]
shinohai	BingoBoingo: make qntra piece? http://cointelegraph.com/news/115086/windows-ethereum-users-affected-by-private-key-bug	[13:15]
assbot	Windows Ethereum Users Affected by Private Key Bug ... ( http://bit.ly/1T9Uglk )	[13:15]
asciilifeform	Run Moar Winblowz!	[13:15]
asciilifeform	moar lulzy from same rag, http://cointelegraph.com/news/115075/fundamentally-apolitical-bitcoin-arrives-in-cuba-amid-us-relations-thaw	[13:16]
assbot	‘Fundamentally Apolitical’ Bitcoin Arrives in Cuba amid US Relations Thaw ... ( http://bit.ly/1T9UFnM )	[13:16]
asciilifeform	^ man? woman? robot ?	[13:17]
shinohai	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN-QpuXIJtM	[13:20]
assbot	Hitler finds out Ethereum was dumped on the IPO - Altcoins Parody - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBYBDw )	[13:20]
punkman	"While setting privacy permissions on the keys directory, insufficient error handling can cause the key files to not be written; this may be widespread on the Windows platform. As such, current versions of AlethZero and eth may include identities for which there exists no underlying key."	[13:23]
shinohai	This is the future of cryptocurrency .....	[13:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59261 @ 0.00062148 = 36.8295 BTC [+] {5}	[13:35]
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mircea_popescu	lollercopter.	[13:45]
mircea_popescu	users that lost money, direct all inquiries for repayment to university of maryland.	[13:45]
mircea_popescu	see http://trilema.com/2015/on-the-elaine-shi-and-andrew-miller-scam-ring/ for details of who to contact.	[13:51]
assbot	On the Elaine Shi and Andrew Miller scam ring on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1O3VS )	[13:51]
mircea_popescu	i'm sure they'll make you whole, but if they don't you certainly can get a lawyer and sue them personally and u of maryland for joint and serveral liability.	[13:51]
mircea_popescu	and settlements for something like that start at six digits.	[13:52]
shinohai	Hopefully they dumped at $3 kek	[13:59]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the way it works, is that nsf (usg direct) provided truck full of money. umd is just one of the bordellos with which this heap purchased whores	[14:02]
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mircea_popescu	nobody ever won a war by killing the "high command".	[14:02]
mircea_popescu	ima grind the soldiers on the ground into toothpaste.	[14:03]
asciilifeform	go, grind.	[14:03]
mircea_popescu	no need to go.	[14:03]
asciilifeform	i just drove by the place. it is not only still standing but swarming with fresh chumpers	[14:03]
mircea_popescu	awww.	[14:03]
asciilifeform	(this is their season)	[14:04]
mircea_popescu	not quite as fresh as a few years ago, and so on and on.	[14:04]
asciilifeform	on the contrary, they are running out of places to put'em	[14:04]
mircea_popescu	this usually connotes stale.	[14:04]
asciilifeform	and i saw a curio that mircea_popescu might appreciate. the largest textbook shop was demolished and replaced with a kind of 'convenience store'. i went in, and saw that approximately 1/3 of the floor space was for menstrual products; a third - for condoms; and most of a third - for gurl phashion paraphernalia. (the small change remaining - iPnohe cabling, etc.)	[14:06]
asciilifeform	by last Official count, the uni is 60-65% female.	[14:06]
mircea_popescu	they actually expect to be paid for condoms ?!	[14:07]
mircea_popescu	i thought those were free on campus and still nobody uses them	[14:07]
asciilifeform	complicated	[14:07]
asciilifeform	1) yes, free	[14:07]
asciilifeform	2) no one wants to be seen as 'soviet' and using the standard phree ver.	[14:07]
asciilifeform	hence - ten grades of preeemium	[14:07]
mircea_popescu	i don't get this.	[14:08]
mircea_popescu	wouldnt you WANT to be seen as exactly that ?	[14:08]
mircea_popescu	last i heard about a third of the kids pointedly wore army surpluss stuff.	[14:08]
asciilifeform	not here.	[14:08]
asciilifeform	plus the phree usg condoms don't have fruit juices, built-in vibratory devices, and other nonsense	[14:09]
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punkman	but do they have added vitamins?	[14:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27050 @ 0.000607 = 16.4194 BTC [-] {2}	[14:09]
mircea_popescu	fruit juices good help us	[14:10]
mircea_popescu	why not just put half an orange on the thing.	[14:10]
mircea_popescu	it'll juice alright.	[14:10]
*	assbot gives voice to ag3nt_zer0	[14:12]
ag3nt_zer0	good morning folks... please enjoy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSTDibqXuGo&index=3&list=PL53FB98B70F61C9DB	[14:14]
assbot	Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau "Ich habe genug" J.S.Bach - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1RgEO )	[14:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28240 @ 0.00060668 = 17.1326 BTC [-] {5}	[14:14]
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*	shinohai thanks ag3nt_zer0 for the fine music selection ...	[14:19]
shinohai	Enjoy this view with the music: https://i.imgur.com/6CAy9Py.png	[14:20]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1f1S24N )	[14:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112850 @ 0.00062227 = 70.2232 BTC [+] {3}	[14:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00060559 = 4.7236 BTC [-]	[14:25]
ag3nt_zer0	shinohai: my pleasure man... so beautiful	[14:26]
shinohai	I'm a sucker for bach, and I especially love hearing Segovia play it.	[14:27]
shinohai	Because, geetars man	[14:27]
shinohai	!up n6	[14:28]
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ag3nt_zer0	you play?	[14:28]
ag3nt_zer0	i have been working my segovia scales a bit haha	[14:28]
shinohai	Yup, well I used to when I had time.	[14:28]
n6	I hate to ask for support in here again but gave up on lsub idea and reinstalled, now I can't get wireless working at all using cli, tried setting up a conf file becuase wpa_cli woudln't connect with wpa_supplicant but that didnt work. at a loss for where to go next on my quest for a source based distro.	[14:34]
n6	it works fine if i boot into live cd and put the info in	[14:34]
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ben_vulpes	!up Duffer1	[14:35]
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ben_vulpes	wb yo	[14:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00062246 = 13.4451 BTC [+] {3}	[14:35]
ag3nt_zer0	Dietrich Fischer Dieskau is the guy who cracked open the wonder of "classical" singing to me - Before him, I liked it, but didn't really feel connected to it in the same way that I was to sonic youth and nine inch nails haha... then I saw some videos of dieskau doing Schubert lierder and I was fuckiing blasted - the dude like physically changed into the different character of the song - and the lyrical sensibility of Schu	[14:35]
danielpbarron	n6, i was never able to get wifi working on my gentoo install so good luck with that	[14:35]
ag3nt_zer0	it was fucking rock and roll	[14:35]
ag3nt_zer0	*characters	[14:35]
shinohai	ag3nt_zer0: you like neo-classical guitar too?	[14:36]
ag3nt_zer0	sure I like all honest music	[14:36]
shinohai	This guy is insane: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSY9N_J5RUU	[14:37]
assbot	(Storm Rider) Gentaro Satomura Neo-Classical Sweep Solo - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1TQuy )	[14:37]
ag3nt_zer0	and maybe some unabashadly dishonest that I havent been graced to hear yet	[14:37]
ag3nt_zer0	*unabashedly	[14:37]
ag3nt_zer0	thanks I'll have a listen :)	[14:38]
trinque	n6: you may need to emerge linux-firmware; however, you're best off looking for gentoo support in #gentoo	[14:43]
n6	thanks as always trinque. gonna try again after emerging firmware	[14:44]
ben_vulpes	;;later tell phf new logdump for ya	[14:50]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[14:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85200 @ 0.00062295 = 53.0753 BTC [+] {4}	[14:50]
ag3nt_zer0	shinahai: yeah wow... have you ever checked out the guitarist stanley jordan (plays two guitars touch tap technique)? that guy is amazing as well... good character too - walked away from fame and shit town to do music therapy	[14:53]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[14:53]
ag3nt_zer0	haha whats that?	[14:53]
shinohai	Yeah Stanley Jordan is awesum	[14:53]
shinohai	I even didn't hate on him for that Stairway cver.	[14:54]
shinohai	*cover	[14:55]
shinohai	This kid is great at tap guitar too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_dA_iFPeRw	[14:56]
assbot	TETRIS THEME - ZACK KIM - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1N1mJVq )	[14:56]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00062459 = 11.9297 BTC [+] {2}	[15:09]
mircea_popescu	in other new, pervyleague http://41.media.tumblr.com/0a9640ea2d4186797493a3d96d0fd5ff/tumblr_nk4fke8iic1tqyeivo1_1280.jpg	[15:20]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1N1pLZP )	[15:20]
ag3nt_zer0	love this one too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Tqh6_e_X5s&list=PL352CGbOeT0nNizlUz7K1gJ1o39__xP1G	[15:21]
assbot	Julian Bream - Fandanguillo - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1N1pRkn )	[15:21]
asciilifeform	error: cocks visible	[15:22]
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shinohai	Now it's like throwing a hotdog down a hallway #rekt	[15:22]
shinohai	Also, "privilege "	[15:23]
ben_vulpes	cunts are stretchy man.	[15:23]
ben_vulpes	remarkable things, really.	[15:24]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: http://imgur.com/SnUhZRR << remember them ?	[15:25]
assbot	NearlyFreeSpeech.Net (web hosting) accepts bitcoin - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1N1qrP2 )	[15:25]
shinohai	https://i.imgur.com/iG9SVyf.jpg	[15:25]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1N1qx9g )	[15:25]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-07-2015#1188281 << l0l apparently old nyooz	[15:26]
assbot	Logged on 05-07-2015 16:21:23; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu seems like 'nearlyfreespeech co.' takes btc now..	[15:26]
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mod6	So Shinohai and I just got done testing my TEST2 bundle with rotor script. We've built successfully on: Gentoo/glibc, Ubuntu 10.04, Debian 6 and Debian 8 :: All x86_64	[15:52]
shinohai	I propose adding that location echo to the script mod6 so as not to cause noob hair-pulling.	[15:53]
mod6	If someone wants to give it a try on x86_64 on a similar linux let me know. I've had to install a few pre-reqs on a totally bare minimum 10.04 like: build-essentials, curl, rsync, and unzip	[15:53]
asciilifeform	neato	[15:54]
mod6	ah shinohai, location echo?	[15:54]
asciilifeform	btw rsync should be abolished when we mod the thing to stop pulling from the net	[15:54]
asciilifeform	ditto curl	[15:54]
mod6	yeah, that's after we freeze everything though right?	[15:54]
asciilifeform	aha	[15:54]
mod6	ok np	[15:54]
mod6	;;later tell pete_dushenski I have a script for you to try on Debian 7 to build TEST2 with rotor. You might need to install a few minor pre-reqs. I can hold your hand if required for that part. Let me know when you have some time.	[15:55]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[15:55]
mod6	asciilifeform: only main change I had to make other than pulling down the TEST2 bundle itself was to add this: sed -i 's/bitcoin/bitcoin/src/bitcoin/src/' rotor.sh	[15:56]
asciilifeform	this suggests that the dir structure was not created correctly	[15:57]
asciilifeform	in this test	[15:57]
mod6	no, mine's fine.	[15:58]
mod6	its just the way that jurov demands that it works.	[15:58]
asciilifeform	wai wut	[15:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83802 @ 0.00062553 = 52.4207 BTC [+] {3}	[15:58]
mod6	remember when jurov was mad at me because i put everything underneath of v0_5_3_1/ instead of just being what it was.	[15:59]
asciilifeform	ah hm	[15:59]
mod6	so now it extracts and it's just bitcoin/src	[15:59]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14998 @ 0.00062737 = 9.4093 BTC [+]	[15:59]
asciilifeform	whatever. so long as it works when i get it back and test it	[15:59]
mod6	haha, right.	[16:00]
mod6	i have a script for you to look over, review, read, and try out if you like:	[16:00]
asciilifeform	hm?	[16:00]
mod6	http://thebitcoin.foundation/test-builds/v0.5.4/amd64/rotor-TEST2.sh	[16:00]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1OZGQlq )	[16:00]
mod6	main major requirement x86-64	[16:01]
asciilifeform	looks reasonable to naked eye. will test later when i get back to the machine where i do this.	[16:02]
mod6	someone can also not run this as a script and just run these commands one line at a time if they please.	[16:02]
mod6	thanks asciilifeform	[16:02]
shinohai	Testing on Ubuntu precise nau	[16:05]
mod6	last reminder to all who are following along: TEST2 is patched up through maxint_locks_corrected	[16:06]
kakobrekla	recv-keys not using fingerprints ?	[16:07]
asciilifeform	;;later tell BingoBoingo http://www.ebay.com/itm/100-test-loongson-ls3a-2way-server-v1-1-TY-RS780ED-by-DHL-or-EMS-/252038825704	[16:07]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[16:07]
assbot	100 Test Loongson LS3A 2way Server V1 1 Ty RS780ED by DHL or EMS \| eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1J4Asv0 )	[16:07]
asciilifeform	^ or other archaeologists, explorerz	[16:07]
asciilifeform	i dare say that recv-keys is an evil	[16:08]
mod6	kakobrekla: it needs a bit of cleanup before we're through	[16:08]
mod6	thanks tho	[16:08]
asciilifeform	get yer keys from a) the horse's mouth b) someone you've personally met who met (a)	[16:08]
kakobrekla	also live on another planet	[16:08]
asciilifeform	we are nearing the point where hashless pubkey distribution is practical	[16:09]
asciilifeform	(enough of us have met in the meat)	[16:09]
asciilifeform	good practice for when it is time for the one time pads, too.	[16:09]
mod6	All: If you are going to build the rotor-TEST2.sh on debian be advised that you may need the following installed: build-essential curl unzip python bc rsync	[16:16]
ben_vulpes	how did rsync get in there?	[16:17]
mod6	buildroot uses it to pull stuff it needs.	[16:17]
mod6	(14:54) <+asciilifeform> btw rsync should be abolished when we mod the thing to stop pulling from the net	[16:17]
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mod6	<+asciilifeform> ditto curl	[16:17]
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ben_vulpes	myeah.	[16:18]
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mod6	yea, i think this all is about to get easier.	[16:19]
mod6	it's been a battle	[16:19]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30650 @ 0.00062813 = 19.2522 BTC [+] {2}	[16:40]
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shinohai	Suddenly, Ethereum is not ready yet: https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/3gd2sp/ethereum_is_on_sale_yall/ctx4xt3	[16:56]
assbot	CryptoJunky comments on Ethereum is on sale y’all ... ( http://bit.ly/1f28FNy )	[16:56]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32915 @ 0.00062881 = 20.6973 BTC [+] {4}	[17:06]
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funkenstein_	get to the rotor!	[17:13]
funkenstein_	if anyone still working the nursery, here's me failing to build buildroot on debian8: http://dpaste.com/0FXN1D4	[17:15]
assbot	dpaste: 0FXN1D4 ... ( http://bit.ly/1f2auKA )	[17:15]
mod6	oh	[17:16]
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mod6	funkenstein_: ok this is a new one for me. what are the detalis: debian 8, x86-64... ok. is this with the rotor/stator hand build from ascii's guide with tea? or my thing I just posted a bit a go rotor-TEST2.sh?	[17:18]
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jurov	mircea_popescu: pls to mpex	[17:21]
shinohai	Try the new test script. So easy a redditard might could build it.	[17:21]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: is the untarred buildroot intended to live in toolchain or in the root of the rotor directory?	[17:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61922 @ 0.00060564 = 37.5024 BTC [-] {4}	[17:23]
mats	http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/23/investing/shazam-tech-startups-lose-money TIL	[17:23]
assbot	16 firms worth billions even though they lose millions - Jan. 23, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mj1Wxx )	[17:23]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: my root dir contains: buildroot-2015.05 stator toolchain	[17:23]
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asciilifeform	mats: 'worth billions' in the usg empire has nothing to do with money, but with 'noble, aryan' blood	[17:24]
asciilifeform	the money is seen as an entitlement	[17:24]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform and what ends up in toolchain?	[17:24]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: the 1) binaries 2) headers which magick into existence when buildroot is built	[17:25]
asciilifeform	(it is initially empty)	[17:25]
ben_vulpes	well this explains a few thigs	[17:25]
asciilifeform	this covers gcc and libc (musl in the provided config)	[17:25]
asciilifeform	rotor.sh, if you notice, sets up environment such that ~they~ and not your local system's are used for the builds	[17:26]
ben_vulpes	i did notice that bit	[17:26]
ben_vulpes	put buildroot in the wrong place.	[17:26]
ben_vulpes	will now have to throw everything out and recompile buildroot, no?	[17:26]
asciilifeform	oh and don't every try to move'em	[17:26]
asciilifeform	won't work	[17:26]
asciilifeform	(complain to gcc folks, not me. absolute path crud in just about everything...)	[17:27]
ben_vulpes	will now have to throw everything out and recompile buildroot, no?<< so then yes	[17:27]
asciilifeform	aha	[17:27]
ben_vulpes	lovely, thanks world	[17:27]
mod6	asciilifeform: any idea on funkenstein_'s error? maybe no build-essentials?	[17:28]
asciilifeform	mod6: hard to say, but his environment is loudly and profanely defective	[17:30]
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asciilifeform	where the fuck do you people get these things ?!	[17:31]
asciilifeform	what happened to reasonable linux ?	[17:31]
trinque	years of compromise.	[17:31]
mod6	shinohai: you built successfully with rotor-TEST2.sh on deb 8 right?	[17:31]
asciilifeform	http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gcc.help/47447 << apparently nobody knows	[17:32]
assbot	GCC 4.8 Build Error 2 gcc/nm: exec: line -89: -pg not found ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mj2Gmm )	[17:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00062885 = 7.3261 BTC [+]	[17:32]
asciilifeform	try turning the gcc knob to some much earlier ver.	[17:32]
shinohai	Yup, Deb 7, 8 and Ubuntu precise	[17:32]
asciilifeform	prolly ought to have done this myself to begin with	[17:32]
mod6	great work shinohai	[17:32]
shinohai	Ubuntu was on the shittiest box I could find.	[17:32]
shinohai	^_______________^	[17:32]
mod6	i built on ubuntu 10.04, as well as deb6 and gentoo/hardened/nomultilib/libc	[17:33]
trinque	asciilifeform: btw, here is the gentoo bootstrap script so far http://dpaste.com/27W35K9	[17:33]
assbot	dpaste: 27W35K9 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mj2JyH )	[17:33]
trinque	currently farts out a root.img which can be run in qemu	[17:33]
mod6	i guess i could try now on 14.04 LTS	[17:33]
trinque	working on it hitting a block device now	[17:33]
asciilifeform	neato	[17:33]
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asciilifeform	give it to mircea_popescu, i think he was having problems coming up with a gentoo	[17:33]
trinque	asciilifeform: shall when it does a blockdev	[17:33]
mod6	trinque: cool!	[17:34]
asciilifeform	would be neat if it could be done with a musl runtime	[17:34]
asciilifeform	(instead of drepperola)	[17:34]
trinque	asciilifeform: I intend such knobs, for sure	[17:34]
trinque	would I think mostly be a change of the STAGE3 line	[17:34]
asciilifeform	has anyone tried the 'suckless' linux ?	[17:34]
asciilifeform	seems as if they are even abolishing 'busybox' in favour of something 'fits-in-head'-flavoured	[17:35]
mod6	awe shoot, realized i gotta wait until later tonight for ubuntu 14.04 test. my bad.	[17:35]
asciilifeform	would be interesting to learn whether this actually lives peacefully with any existing proggy	[17:35]
mod6	busybox? any specific version?	[17:35]
asciilifeform	mod6: iirc they are dispensing with it entirely	[17:36]
asciilifeform	in favour of something else that they wrote	[17:36]
mod6	oh. ok. you want to us to try it on the new thing they're working on, or exisitng, or both and compare?	[17:36]
asciilifeform	eh, was just curious if anyone ~has~	[17:36]
punkman	http://git.suckless.org/sbase/tree/README their busybox replacement	[17:37]
asciilifeform	imho ought to go in some kind of logical order - iirc most folks don't even have rotor working yet.	[17:37]
assbot	sbase - suckless unix tools ... ( http://bit.ly/1f2cQJs )	[17:37]
punkman	I like that there's a column named "Finished"	[17:37]
mod6	asciilifeform: im with you there.	[17:38]
asciilifeform	depressing that they're doing utf	[17:38]
punkman	why?	[17:38]
asciilifeform	'tis a 'hole through which the night leaks in'	[17:38]
asciilifeform	and bloats everything	[17:39]
asciilifeform	what ~i~ would like is a modern unix that FITS IN A FUCKING BOOK like the sysv5 in 'the lions book'	[17:39]
asciilifeform	as it is, unix is dead, and we will come to regret keeping it on life support this way.	[17:39]
punkman	if you notice, only a few of the things need explicit UTF8 support there	[17:39]
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asciilifeform	one notable attempt at 'fits in book but usable' was minix. a failed attempt.	[17:40]
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asciilifeform	compare minix2 to minix3	[17:40]
asciilifeform	the latter runs on actual hardware which you may be able to find - but NO LONGER FITS IN BOOK	[17:41]
asciilifeform	it turned into a pathetically shabby imitation linux	[17:41]
asciilifeform	and before mircea_popescu chimes in and says 'find old hardware', let's see him booting from a floppy	[17:41]
asciilifeform	and running blockchain on an elephantine heap of floppies swapped in and out by hand.	[17:42]
asciilifeform	at ~10kB/s.	[17:42]
shinohai	LOL	[17:42]
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asciilifeform	if you want to play 'rogue', you can use whatever iron you found in old university dumpster, yes	[17:42]
asciilifeform	but if you want to use bitcoin - suddenly there are all kinds of hard constraints	[17:42]
shinohai	Or, I could fire up the trs-80 and attempt to fit it all on cassette tape/	[17:43]
asciilifeform	gotta support modern disks, and modern bus, and ram, and... and.	[17:43]
asciilifeform	and yes, one can turn bitcoind into a kernel of sorts. (you cannot use a linux kernel as a base for this. to understand why, read src for kmalloc, etc.)	[17:44]
asciilifeform	but this does not magick away the problem of ~on what to develop~.	[17:44]
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asciilifeform	have fun verifying blocks in <10M on that trs.	[17:45]
asciilifeform	(will a typical tx, much less block, even fit in the 64k address space ?)	[17:45]
asciilifeform	and sure, go and scoop ocean out with a thimble. but doing it ~quickly~ is another matter.	[17:46]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10850 @ 0.000612 = 6.6402 BTC [+]	[17:51]
ben_vulpes	!up scthoopbot	[17:52]
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ben_vulpes	!up scthoopbot	[17:52]
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ben_vulpes	ahaha	[17:53]
ben_vulpes	!up scthoopbot	[17:53]
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ben_vulpes	righteous	[17:53]
ben_vulpes	syn	[17:53]
ben_vulpes	joker.	[17:54]
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williamdunne	Scthoopbot isn't very inspiring at the moment. Just doing it as my hello lisp project	[17:55]
williamdunne	Oh shit	[17:55]
williamdunne	He replies to every message with dick	[17:55]
williamdunne	oops	[17:55]
trinque	lol	[17:56]
jurov	scthoopbot ?	[17:56]
jurov	kek	[17:56]
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williamdunne	Umm, it was my best interpretation of someone with a severe lisp saying "scoopbot"	[17:56]
williamdunne	Although evidently he doesn't quite understand the concept of a private message yet	[17:56]
fluffypony	wouldn't it just be thcoopbot?	[17:56]
fluffypony	:-P	[17:56]
williamdunne	I think you might be right	[17:57]
williamdunne	Yes, you are	[17:57]
williamdunne	I'm already fed up of brackets	[17:58]
trinque	tune your editor better	[17:58]
trinque	you shouldn't even notice them	[17:58]
trinque	emacs is the only sane choice, and there are a number of modes for that	[17:59]
williamdunne	Yeah, I'll get that done. It's a really strange language coming from some of the more "modern" ones	[18:00]
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trinque	only because the others hide a detail lisp displays honestly, the AST	[18:01]
trinque	anyhow, cool that you're diving into that	[18:01]
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williamdunne	Yeah, seems pretty good so far. Only bummer is that all of the libraries I can take advantage of elsewhere don't really exist, and if they do they are entirely undocumented	[18:03]
williamdunne	Although its forcing me to read source, which at least is good for learning	[18:03]
trinque	for CL itself, hyperspec.el	[18:03]
trinque	as for the rest, depends on the library	[18:03]
williamdunne	I found this and got excited, until I realized that they haven't written all that much..	[18:04]
williamdunne	http://learnlispthehardway.org/	[18:04]
assbot	L(λ)THW ... ( http://bit.ly/1f2fmiM )	[18:04]
punkman	williamdunne: http://learnxinyminutes.com/docs/common-lisp/	[18:04]
assbot	Learn Common Lisp in Y Minutes ... ( http://bit.ly/1f2fleO )	[18:05]
williamdunne	Yeah, that's what I've been learning from :)	[18:05]
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williamdunne	trinque: punkman: know how I can dump a representation of an object to a string?	[18:18]
williamdunne	found print-object but looks for a stream	[18:18]
jurov	simple, just screenshot+ocr	[18:19]
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trinque	williamdunne: if you're in a slime repl, you can simply make mention of the symbol and right click the thing, and inspect	[18:20]
trinque	I'ms ure there's some pretty printer too; I haven't used it	[18:20]
williamdunne	Thanks, I'll have a dig	[18:21]
trinque	williamdunne: actually you probably just want to past stdout to print-object as the stream	[18:21]
punkman	isn't it just 'object?	[18:21]
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trinque	looks like (pprint 'yourthing) maybe	[18:22]
trinque	something around there	[18:22]
trinque	http://clhs.lisp.se/Body/f_wr_pr.htm	[18:22]
assbot	CLHS: Function WRITE, PRIN1, PRINT, PPRINT... ... ( http://bit.ly/1f2h8Ao )	[18:22]
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ben_vulpes	williamdunne: what's your cl development flow like?	[19:18]
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ben_vulpes	i had a dream that i figured out how to never recompile openssl again	[19:20]
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mats	I had a dream I got three scoops of guac at chipotle	[19:25]
williamdunne	ben_vulpes: Horrendous, currently just doing (load "some/path/file.lisp")	[19:25]
williamdunne	Which I edit in sublime	[19:25]
ben_vulpes	williamdunne: hate to ask, but...	[19:25]
ben_vulpes	aok.	[19:25]
ben_vulpes	stoppit, wouldja?	[19:25]
ben_vulpes	:P	[19:25]
ben_vulpes	the incremental recompilation shit is mind-blowing	[19:26]
williamdunne	Yeah, I'm gonna get emacs set up	[19:26]
williamdunne	Not used to using it, so another thing to learn	[19:26]
ben_vulpes	okay, well pm if you need help	[19:26]
ben_vulpes	always happy to indoctrinate another	[19:26]
williamdunne	Cheers ben :) yeah does look a little batshit to setup in buntu	[19:26]
ben_vulpes	ah it ain't so bad	[19:27]
phf	williamdunne: no!	[19:27]
phf	one sec	[19:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00060434 = 11.7242 BTC [-]	[19:29]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/1A5RWC9 << how buildroot exits	[19:29]
assbot	dpaste: 1A5RWC9 ... ( http://bit.ly/1L01mEz )	[19:29]
ben_vulpes	no idea if that's right or not	[19:30]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: does it ~work~ ?	[19:31]
ben_vulpes	i'll see.	[19:31]
ben_vulpes	stepping carefully through next steps.	[19:31]
shinohai	http://redd.it/3gdb6u <<< good luck w/that	[19:33]
assbot	In C++ my variables are signed but I have no place to put my signature. What did I do wrong? : shittyprogramming ... ( http://bit.ly/1L01OCP )	[19:33]
phf	williamdunne: rob warnock has a series of posts on how to use lisp effectively even if you don't have emacs running, i often find it a reasonable path for lisp novices, particularly when you don't want the complexity of emacs to get in the way of early explorations. http://xach.com/rpw3/articles/BJqdnd9R65ee3qDbnZ2dnUVZ_vGinZ2d%40speakeasy.net.html, http://xach.com/rpw3/articles/PJudnYz2hfC-HQbYnZ2dnUVZ_ternZ2d%40speakeasy.net.html, http://	[19:33]
phf	xach.com/rpw3/articles/TJadnRSn8I_o8qHZ4p2dnA%40speakeasy.net.html and http://xach.com/rpw3/articles/PqOdndt5Kr6E9BnUnZ2dnUVZ_juWnZ2d%40speakeasy.net.html (there's probably more, but it's worthwhile to read through those)	[19:33]
assbot	404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1L01TWZ )	[19:34]
assbot	404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1L01SCG )	[19:34]
assbot	Re: Emacs vs VI, the final solution — Rob Warnock Lisp usenet archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1L01ST0 )	[19:34]
asciilifeform	phf: xach is a serious lulzmine	[19:34]
asciilifeform	sadly, he (iirc) starved.	[19:34]
phf	asciilifeform: well, he provides a valuable service of hosting both naggum and rob warnock archives	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	ho come he's not here anyway	[19:35]
asciilifeform	or hm no!	[19:35]
williamdunne	Thanks phf	[19:35]
asciilifeform	i'm entirely misremembering	[19:35]
asciilifeform	it was xiah lee who starved	[19:35]
asciilifeform	xach - no one seems to know anything about.	[19:35]
asciilifeform	(xiah lee, don't expect to see anywhere. he literally ran out of money and went to wash dishes for minimum wage, and sold his computer iirc)	[19:36]
phf	i love xah, but he fell out of contact by becoming increasing more chaotic	[19:36]
phf	(xah lee)	[19:37]
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mircea_popescu	this mpex over 60 thing is beheheautiful.	[19:40]
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ben_vulpes	behyutiful	[19:42]
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mircea_popescu	btw rsync should be abolished when we mod the thing to stop pulling from the net << very much this wtf.	[19:43]
asciilifeform	i did warn!	[19:43]
asciilifeform	back when i released pogotron	[19:44]
asciilifeform	(which rotor is based on)	[19:44]
phf	i've met xach a few times at post-ilc pub sessions, i think he's doing lisp consulting for clozure, but yeah i don't really know the details. i think him, fare, etc. would dismiss this place on superficial grounds being self proclaimed feminists. last i checked fare's twitter it was an equal mix of lisp conversations and sjw rhetoric	[19:44]
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asciilifeform	last i saw, fare was more of a 'libertarian'-flavoured crackpot ?	[19:44]
asciilifeform	odd	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	!up nama	[19:44]
-assbot-	You voiced nama for 30 minutes.	[19:44]
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mircea_popescu	!h	[19:45]
assbot	http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	nama see above link, where it says "first steps in #b-a"	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	it's explained how to register with assbot. after that i'll rate you and you can ahve an eulora account.	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	phf we're feminists aren't we ?!	[19:46]
phf	i think by last polls we were "pervs"	[19:47]
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mircea_popescu	orthogonal concern isn't it ?	[19:47]
ben_vulpes	fair unsurprising, one has to toe that line to keep a twitter account	[19:47]
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mircea_popescu	it's gotten that bad ?	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	anyway, i'm penning a "racists and the racist idea" piece, should help.	[19:48]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: "configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs."	[19:49]
asciilifeform	??!	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	ahaha wut!	[19:49]
asciilifeform	burn your computer.	[19:49]
ben_vulpes	yes, that is what you told trinque as well.	[19:50]
trinque	ben_vulpes: is that db saying that?	[19:51]
ben_vulpes	adding the --host flag now.	[19:51]
ben_vulpes	setting -e as well	[19:52]
trinque	in related news, my script works for both disk images and block devices; however, I need to figure out why the usb device isn't present at the time the initrd goes looking for root	[19:53]
trinque	so after that, infectious gentoo	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	find lsub, help out n6	[19:54]
ben_vulpes	lol why oh why does this script carry on merrily even after i set -e	[19:55]
trinque	depends how you're running it	[19:55]
trinque	source ?	[19:56]
ben_vulpes	ah well it'd help to edit the right script	[19:56]
trinque	that too lol	[19:56]
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ben_vulpes	`rotor/stattor/rotor.sh`	[19:56]
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ben_vulpes	trinque: set -xeu should do the trick, no?	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	btw, the... let's call them "non stem" persons keeping their eye on this here thing because they're so interested in my magical dragon being and associatedpowers regularly observe that you people have horrid naming schemes and nymismatics generally.	[19:58]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: let'em come here and name then.	[19:59]
asciilifeform	'to criticize is to volunteer'	[19:59]
asciilifeform	(tm) (r)	[19:59]
asciilifeform	let'em also go and de-swearword the soviet phaktory.	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	i said this.	[20:01]
trinque	ben_vulpes: I dunno what x and u do	[20:01]
ben_vulpes	x prints all output, u signals errors on reference to unbound variables	[20:02]
trinque	ah	[20:02]
phf	williamdunne: not builtin, but here's a generic object printer, http://paste.lisp.org/display/153363. if you have an instance of a class, you'll get # (where C is unbound)	[20:03]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Kcw1sJ )	[20:03]
phf	only works for ccl and sbcl, so if you're using something different i'll need to extend it	[20:03]
asciilifeform	phf: this can be made to work for anything that has printability method defined, aha	[20:03]
trinque	ben_vulpes: bash --be-sane	[20:04]
ben_vulpes	that's all i've ever wanted out of these scripts.	[20:05]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: recall your observation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229166 ? i often have problems naming something that i strongly feel doesn't deserve a name	[20:05]
assbot	Logged on 07-08-2015 14:35:50; mircea_popescu: it's almost as if he respects the scholar and despises the whore^H^H^H^H i mean programmer	[20:05]
asciilifeform	just like a turd isn't normally given a name before flushing	[20:05]
ben_vulpes	the "minimal changes possible thing" keeps us hunting around local maxima	[20:05]
ben_vulpes	big institutional resistance to plucking the team up and depositing them elsewhere on the manifold.	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes explain ye ?	[20:06]
ben_vulpes	"go uphill", right?	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform naming is fundamentally dirty.	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	nothing deserves a name at that time it gets a name.	[20:07]
asciilifeform	this is why kings, popes, have the right pattern	[20:07]
asciilifeform	get a temp name and assigned a proper one ~when deserved~	[20:07]
asciilifeform	or the japanese version of this, full-bore	[20:07]
asciilifeform	posthumous names	[20:07]
asciilifeform	(e.g., 'emperor showa' not hirohito)	[20:08]
ben_vulpes	when one reaches the top of the hill, naive optimization algo will simply not take you through the valley to the next hill	[20:08]
ben_vulpes	"minimal changes possible" is this naive optimization.	[20:08]
asciilifeform	or hell, ru prison nicknamez	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	what's showa mean, incidentally ?	[20:09]
ben_vulpes	and so i end up commenting out sections of scripts. adding -xeu myself. and so forth.	[20:09]
mircea_popescu	"unavoidable failure" or "the hole the night" ?	[20:09]
asciilifeform	ask jp	[20:09]
mircea_popescu	i r ask!	[20:09]
asciilifeform	wouldn't surprise me if it means something like 'deep sea fish'	[20:10]
asciilifeform	esp. given as that was his true calling (ichthyology)	[20:10]
asciilifeform	had papers published, even.	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	"dumbass" also works.	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	(this is why the jp don't have the irght idea - the respect of they loath to insult is not worth the shit it's printed on)	[20:11]
asciilifeform	the whole experiment in bringing back emperors was a flop	[20:11]
mircea_popescu	so it was.	[20:11]
asciilifeform	a kind of legitimacy-washing of unrelated structures	[20:11]
asciilifeform	sorta like if somebody took moldbug's suggestion of digging up and reinstating the stewart monarchy somehow	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	rank nonsense. you can't "be made" a king.	[20:12]
asciilifeform	aha	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	the only legitimate way to become a king is at the hands of a priest whose knees are trembling.	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	hitler's readily the last legitimate case.	[20:13]
asciilifeform	aha	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	(unlike napoleon, stalin never wanted it)	[20:13]
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BingoBoingo	has anyone tried the 'suckless' linux ? << stali the "more official" distribution seems to still be in the planning phase	[20:25]
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ben_vulpes	ah that's right, boost needs exceptions from the -e flag	[20:28]
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mats	https://cryptostorm.org/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=8713	[20:34]
assbot	Live-Capture Forensics of Corruptor-Injector Network injecting fake Chrome install via https@google - cryptostorm's community forum ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iwz5lo )	[20:34]
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williamdunne	phf: Thanks, although I'm still trying to wrap my head around streams	[20:38]
ben_vulpes	williamdunne: https://www.cs.cmu.edu/Groups/AI/html/cltl/clm/node182.html#SECTION002500000000000000000	[20:38]
assbot	21. Streams ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwzIv5 )	[20:39]
phf	williamdunne: if you paste it in your repl, objects that you create with make-instance will magically display their attributes	[20:39]
phf	i.e. you don't need to know about streams to use that function	[20:39]
ben_vulpes	after much derping, i have a rotor-built stator bitcoind	[20:40]
phf	ben_vulpes: os x?	[20:40]
ben_vulpes	some heinous aws gentoo	[20:40]
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shinohai	gg ben_vulpes	[20:44]
mod6	<+ben_vulpes> after much derping, i have a rotor-built stator bitcoind << heeey! neat. :]	[20:47]
mod6	im building on ubuntu 14.04 atm	[20:47]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1232838 << and when i tell mircea_popescu 'they own the backbone', he laughs	[21:01]
assbot	Logged on 09-08-2015 23:34:47; mats: https://cryptostorm.org/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=8713	[21:01]
williamdunne	phf: Objects aren't created in a very accessible manner. Simply received from an event	[21:01]
phf	williamdunne: try running that function and then see if the display of these objects from an event changed	[21:03]
phf	they should	[21:03]
phf	*it should rather	[21:03]
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williamdunne	phf: if I just run it, it has no inputs. Or am I just entirely derping?	[21:06]
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phf	williamdunne: correct (on both)	[21:07]
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phf	this is sort of like redefining Object.toString or object.__str__	[21:08]
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BingoBoingo	https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=143916358308848&w=2	[21:16]
assbot	'Re: radeondrm firmware archive problem?' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tiy1o8 )	[21:16]
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phf	williamdunne: i guess i might've also did a wild guess, i assume you're getting some standard-objects from somewhere, and they come out as # or somesuch and you're trying to figure out, what's inside of them. you can (inspect foo) to see the insides of the object on repl, or you can call that (defmethod ...) and then every time an object is displayed on repl it's going to be displayed as # i	[21:19]
phf	nstead	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i do ?	[21:21]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[21:34]
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phf	ben_vulpes: have you been brew update'ing? i'm looking at the latest log and it looks like an older version of a script. `git -C $(brew --repository)/Library/Taps/pf/homebrew-eulora log\|head -1\|awk '{print $2}'` should return ce6d58194e2371ac9d4295e3a9a336fe6e44c548	[21:51]
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gernika	phf - been following along - that's what I get	[22:05]
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phf	gernika: does yours also fail? logs please	[22:05]
gernika	yes. one sec.	[22:06]
phf	thanks!	[22:06]
gernika	phf: http://exusiae.kicks-ass.net/share/logs.tar.gz	[22:09]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1KYbuLj )	[22:10]
phf	now it's push pull against homebrew.. i take it you have gcc46 installed via homebrew and no other gcc versions	[22:13]
gernika	I do have gcc46 - I'm not sure if I have other gcc versions or not - I vaguely recall xcode installing some compiler or other	[22:14]
gernika	Looks like I've got gcc42 as well	[22:15]
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phf	xcode comes with clang/llvm and a bogus llvm-gcc, which pretends to be gcc, except fails on all kinds of obscure flags, and certainly doesn't respect gcc semantics	[22:16]
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phf	homebrew on the other hand can be told "this thing doesn't build with GCC/llvm/clang such and such" but can't be told explicitly "build with this compiler", because!	[22:17]
phf	and then it hacks up the environment so that calls to gcc-* are funneled to whatever version of gcc homebrew magically decided to use	[22:18]
ben_vulpes	phf: i have, will again	[22:23]
ben_vulpes	phf: are you pushing changes? neither cs nor eulora were listed in the output of `brew update'	[22:26]
phf	did you ran the above git -C ... command? if it's returning ce6d*, then you're on the latest change	[22:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23650 @ 0.00062695 = 14.8274 BTC [+] {3}	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	is it just me or is trilema actually the 4th result for pay for your tits	[22:33]
phf	ben_vulpes, gernika: i just pushed another version. see if "pf/homebrew-eulora" is in brew update results. also it /should/ now use gcc-4.6 but who the fuck knows. rebuild if don't mind spending electricity, i'll continue reading homebrew source code	[22:37]
scoopbot_revived	Racists and the racist idea http://trilema.com/2015/racists-and-the-racist-idea/	[22:37]
gernika	phf didn't see it in the list of updated formulas but the hash changed: b94bbf8834183935a1e03bd3736942e455a02e1c	[22:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32750 @ 0.00062699 = 20.5339 BTC [+] {4}	[22:40]
phf	that's a correct hash	[22:40]
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phf	btw, doing `git -C $(brew --repository)/Library/Taps/pf/homebrew-eulora log --show-signature` should show that all the commits have been signed with my key. of course homebrew has zero hooks to enforce signed only updates..	[22:42]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.000627 = 5.1101 BTC [+]	[22:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6907 @ 0.00060891 = 4.2057 BTC [-]	[22:53]
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gernika	phf: failed: http://exusiae.kicks-ass.net/share/logs-1439172323.tar.gz	[23:06]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1IS4FHk )	[23:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43245 @ 0.00061194 = 26.4633 BTC [+]	[23:08]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: '...not unlike the idea that there can exist "professional code" or professional defecation. Get over it, everyone's doing it anyway.' << i've said before, and will say again: this not-unfounded notion is not a neutral observation, but a normative; and for so long as folks expect a steaming heap of shit on their plates, that is what will be served for dinner.	[23:09]
asciilifeform	half the battle is merely to get anybody to contemplate that it is possible to eat things other than shit	[23:09]
asciilifeform	just - in principle, possible.	[23:09]
asciilifeform	'eh, medicine?! anybody can take a knife and let blood'	[23:10]
asciilifeform	'what medical skill? it's like shitting, anyone can do it'	[23:10]
asciilifeform	'anybody can gather rat shit and smear it in a wound.'	[23:10]
asciilifeform	yes, yes they can.	[23:10]
asciilifeform	btw, iirc mircea_popescu once asked why dijkstra is not taught in american schools. the reason is not a secret: he openly taught that fewer people have any business programming computer than performing surgery	[23:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47600 @ 0.00062806 = 29.8957 BTC [+] {6}	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i did mention it's controversial :)	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	!up bassguitarman	[23:24]
-assbot-	You voiced bassguitarman for 30 minutes.	[23:24]
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asciilifeform	aha/	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	i like teh approach phf	[23:24]
phf	a prof at umd (hanan samet, he did his grad work at stanford under john mccarthy) told me that he tried teaching SICP for a semester, with the predictable result of 90% failure rate. equally predictably parents started calling dean's office and sent in lawyers, the grades were nullified and his teaching methods questioned, of course he never tried teaching SICP again	[23:24]
asciilifeform	phf: samet!	[23:24]
asciilifeform	phf: never saw him in person, but we had his book.	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	phf i don't get this lawyers thing tbh. nothing left of the 60s parisian uprising in the us ?	[23:25]
asciilifeform	and wtf, much harsher coursework was done there when i was a wee lad	[23:25]
asciilifeform	than anything in sicp	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	i thot the vulgate is that lawyers aren't allowed on campus.	[23:25]
phf	mircea_popescu: there's an internal conflict resolution body, which essentially mirrors us court system. when i had some issues with the school, i was immediately advised to higher a lawyer by every random student i talked to about it	[23:26]
asciilifeform	and hell, 90% failure rate is ~mandatory~ in freshmen 'weeders'	[23:26]
asciilifeform	so there's gotta be some other part of this story.	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform this is a good idea incidewntally. if i ran the school, it'd be "this class fails 90% - if the teacher doesn't flunk that many we'll draw lots, but student body DOES get decimated one way or another"	[23:27]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: this used to be sop	[23:27]
phf	asciilifeform: i think his class was a entry level elective, so a bunch of special snowflakes took it to distinguish themselves on transcript	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	the drawing lots ?	[23:28]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: no. the 90%	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	ah yes.	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	add the lots, take the power from the people.	[23:28]
asciilifeform	notbad.	[23:28]
phf	asciilifeform: but yeah, of course that was his side of the story. he was not a particularly good teacher, but he knew his shit, re spatial data structures	[23:29]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: for reference, samet was/is one of the maybe six sane and respectable profs in that dept	[23:29]
asciilifeform	in its entire history.	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	aha	[23:29]
*	asciilifeform blows dust off samizdat xerocopy of samet	[23:29]
*	asciilifeform blows dust off priceless original	[23:30]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1232560 << how the fuck did this become a thing anwyay	[23:31]
assbot	Logged on 09-08-2015 20:27:08; asciilifeform: (complain to gcc folks, not me. absolute path crud in just about everything...)	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	what even is "absolute path"	[23:31]
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asciilifeform	path that makes it break if you move or rename the dir.	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	no but i mean... wtf.	[23:32]
asciilifeform	as in, /home/schmuck/foo/bar/rotor/toolchain	[23:32]
asciilifeform	and yes, wtf	[23:32]
asciilifeform	hey, gcc doesn't expect to move.	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1232567 << im starting to suspect reasonable linux never existed. it for a while looked like soon enough IT WILL. then it seamlessly switched to looking like for a while IT HAD.	[23:32]
assbot	Logged on 09-08-2015 20:31:28; asciilifeform: what happened to reasonable linux ?	[23:32]
phf	there's no guy debord for u.s. universities	[23:33]
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mircea_popescu	but the "here is" part somehow never occured. there's a 5-15 year overlap where the will and had overlap.	[23:33]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: or like brezhnev's 'communism is coming in 1980'	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	aha	[23:33]
asciilifeform	'Debord's first book, Mémoires, was bound with a sandpaper cover so that it would damage other books placed next to it.' << win	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	lol	[23:35]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1232677 << i lolled.	[23:37]
assbot	Logged on 09-08-2015 21:19:32; jurov: simple, just screenshot+ocr	[23:37]
asciilifeform	aaaaaaaaand....	[23:38]
asciilifeform	http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B5963F9EB8534A2D1D382180AF41F6EDB977FF994BBB58431DDC7E7E636E0522	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	lmao "Shazam" wtf.	[23:38]
asciilifeform	(first of new batch!)	[23:38]
asciilifeform	and can we mebbe get lobbesbot again ?	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	"2. Box: The online filing sharing company is poised to go public on Friday after a number of false starts. But Box recently revealed it suffered a $170 million loss in its latest year of results."	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	what the fuck lmao. "filesharing" ? it's not even a thing.	[23:39]
asciilifeform	http://www.bmlvs.gv.at << lol	[23:39]
assbot	Bundesministerium für Landesverteidigung und Sport - bmlvs.gv.at ... ( http://bit.ly/1PfzsD7 )	[23:39]
phf	asciilifeform: you might enjoy reading his autobiography, Panegyric, http://debordiana.chez.com/english/panegyric.htm	[23:40]
assbot	Panegyric. Volume I ... ( http://bit.ly/1PfzvyO )	[23:40]
mats	http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=BOX+Interactive#range=1y	[23:40]
assbot	BOX Interactive Stock Chart \| Yahoo! Inc. Stock - Yahoo! Finance ... ( http://bit.ly/1PfztqQ )	[23:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00061284 = 11.4601 BTC [-]	[23:41]
asciilifeform	gcd==12884901891; Herbert Saurugg ; Herbert Saurugg (aufgrund der Umstellung auf BMLVS - 2009) ;	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	nuts.	[23:41]
mats	14 to 24.73 to 15.5, kek	[23:43]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: can't speak for other distros, but the magic moment of gentoo beginning its slide into hitler's bunker is often said to be the time when the lead programmer went to work for microshit.	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	i can see it	[23:44]
asciilifeform	thus shattering the illusion that 'everything benefits from being written by folks with day jobs' and 'open source lives well on sunshine and kisses'	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	everything does benefit from being written by folks with day jobs.	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	it shouldn't be MANAGED by them, however.	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	the proof of the fact that people with dayjobs can't manage are the dayjobs in question.	[23:46]
asciilifeform	i regard it as far from proven fact that these are separable activities in software-making.	[23:47]
mircea_popescu	what'd the proof look like ?	[23:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25839 @ 0.00061284 = 15.8352 BTC [-]	[23:49]
asciilifeform	say, example of 'good management' in that sphere that doesn't, when you scratch it, reveal itself to be a case of programming-with-human-compilers	[23:50]
asciilifeform	(a la steve jobs)	[23:50]
asciilifeform	or, alternatively, example some software artifact even vaguely worth using, to intelligent folks, that was ~produced under sound management~	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	can anything in b-a qualify ?	[23:52]
asciilifeform	as opposed to, y'know, some idler who just felt like it. (unix, c, hell, lisp)	[23:52]
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asciilifeform	qualify as... ?	[23:53]
asciilifeform	as proof ?	[23:53]
asciilifeform	could. but none of the items i'm personally familiar with in depth do	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	as "sphere which..."	[23:54]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: eulora, conceivably, but i don't know enough about how it was built, and precisely by whom, and to what kind of outcome, to say anything interesting	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	lol jesus help us, look here : http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-08-09.log.html#t22:33:53	[23:55]
assbot	#Eulora log for Sunday, 2015-08-09 ... ( http://bit.ly/1PfB2VM )	[23:55]
asciilifeform	but thus far most of the software artifacts i personally see as making a computer worth using at all, were written by one (or handful) of people, and largely on stolen/embezzled employer time, and under no management whatsoever other than the 'emperor in their heads'	[23:56]
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asciilifeform	^ not intended to imply that ~all~ items created this way are worth using	[23:58]
asciilifeform	after all, egg is not the only thing that comes out of a chicken..	[23:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1954 @ 0.00061194 = 1.1957 BTC [-]	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	management is a complicated thing. like persay robinson crusoe (as depicted by defoe) was certainly managed.	[23:58]
asciilifeform	how?	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	well, he follows a script he carried over (in his memory), which was given him by people, rather than discovered by him on his own time.	[23:59]
asciilifeform	if this is 'managed', then a brick falling is 'managed'	[23:59]

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