Forum logs for 08 Aug 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
asciilifeform mircea_popescu ought to look up precisely what it is that folks are trying to get out of when they sue to be formally expelled from usa citizenship [00:00]
asciilifeform it is, largely, this. [00:00]
mircea_popescu i don't get the usl part. [00:02]
mircea_popescu why would it not form, if useful ? why would it be sought, if not useful ? [00:02]
asciilifeform ?? [00:02]
mircea_popescu universal standard library [00:02]
asciilifeform because required 1) someone to write it 2) who could 'win' on one of the roughly 5 'standard wins' that i outline in [00:03]
assbot Loper OS » The Five Types of Technological Standard ... ( ) [00:03]
mircea_popescu so it never attracted thinking people ? [00:03]
asciilifeform (i.e. by force of army, by 'everyone else sucks so profoundly in comparison that there can be no debate', ... [00:04]
asciilifeform ) [00:04]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it also did not help that scheme was used as a torture ritual in schools [00:04]
mircea_popescu on the ethnic filter point, a) it was not actulaly the case historically (new york by ww1 was just about getting to the point of advancement) ; b) it'sjust the lazy man's approach to things. doesn't work, either. [00:04]
asciilifeform what work went on, was geared towards pedagogics [00:04]
mircea_popescu so it never actually provided an ysort of advantage, but merely the promise of perhaps one day. [00:05]
asciilifeform it solved approximately half the problem: 'kill the cruft' [00:05]
mircea_popescu i see. [00:05]
asciilifeform but only showed a vague sketch of how to solve the remaining half [00:05]
asciilifeform 'construct a habitable planet' [00:05]
mircea_popescu re the thermodynamics : people live and then die. their time is fundamentally free. no thermodynamics applies here. [00:06]
asciilifeform sorta like an old cement warehouse, somehow infested with vermin. yes, must exterminate the vermin. but then what. [00:06]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: even when free, there are finite things they can do [00:07]
asciilifeform when building pyramid, you aren't harvesting fields, and somehow somebody will have to eat a bit less. [00:07]
mircea_popescu this was true then. [00:08]
mircea_popescu today, if you're not doing that you're doing what, twitter ? [00:08]
asciilifeform the age of petrol-to-food (however long that lasts) cancelled only that particular aspect of the conservation law [00:08]
asciilifeform but not others. [00:09]
mircea_popescu lasts forever. the way they grow pot is the way we'llgrow food in short order. [00:09]
asciilifeform only if fix RuBisCo [00:09]
mircea_popescu no petrol involved at any point. straight uranium. [00:09]
asciilifeform sadly, more complicated. just the turbine lives and dies by plenty of petrol-based lube [00:10]
mircea_popescu used to be petrol -> corned beef. [00:10]
mircea_popescu moving on to uranium -> hfcs. [00:10]
mircea_popescu synthetic means, synthetic. [00:10]
mircea_popescu can start with dead babies, enough c in there. [00:10]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu like just about everybody else at this point is muttering 'fischer-tropsch' [00:11]
asciilifeform but this is one of those 'yes, possible' but 'no, no one is inventing this parachute and we're already thrown from window' affairs. [00:11]
mircea_popescu myeah. [00:11]
mircea_popescu this aside, if you will. [00:11]
asciilifeform notice that it did not save germany, though it had every desire to live. [00:11]
mircea_popescu well sure, it didn't save franz josef either. wtf. [00:12]
asciilifeform but sure, aside. there is still such a thing as -ev on civilization scale [00:12]
mircea_popescu on civilisation scale, yes. [00:12]
mircea_popescu on "who is going to do X thing - nobody", no. [00:12]
asciilifeform when some resource that is ultimately finite (petro, selenium, shitanium whatever) is squandered faster than it can be recovered and various things 'have come to expect' and begin to tear apart. [00:12]
mircea_popescu that was broadly my point, that the infantile "usg closes down so we're closing this park, and you'll be sorry!11" dies right here. [00:13]
mircea_popescu there WILL be alternative. [00:13]
asciilifeform and folks usually begin and end the discussion with minerals [00:13]
asciilifeform whereas i suspect that it is only a small part of the great shortages [00:13]
mircea_popescu the state, bulbously putrescent as it is, does not get to propose the false dichotomy - "us or nothing" [00:13]
asciilifeform notice i mentioned su likewise [00:14]
mircea_popescu whosoever. [00:14]
mircea_popescu the soviets need stalin like i need my nail clippings. [00:14]
asciilifeform hypothesis, roughly, that vlsi might turn out to be yet another very expensive religious ritual [00:14]
asciilifeform like the easter island statues. [00:14]
mircea_popescu fortunately there's very little actual matter consumed in vlsi. [00:14]
asciilifeform well, and that minerals are not even half of the problem. [00:15]
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mircea_popescu i am somehow unconcerned. [00:15]
asciilifeform oh hey. [00:15]
mircea_popescu maybe my clueless side. [00:15]
asciilifeform said the fella who sweats blood on account of misbehaving computers. [00:16]
asciilifeform with the lot of us. [00:16]
mircea_popescu heh i guess huh [00:16]
mircea_popescu i mostly sweat elaborate curse words. [00:17]
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decimation I enjoyed my time here, learned much, had many lolz. I do not wish to cause drama or be an impediment to improving bitcoin. Even though I presently have L2 rating from a few people, I am not going impose on their good grace by remaining. God bless all of you. [00:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78550 @ 0.00058464 = 45.9235 BTC [-] [00:19]
mircea_popescu "I think that it's extraordinarily important that we in computer science keep fun in computing. When it started out, it was an awful lot of fun. Of course, the paying customers got shafted every now and then, and after a while we began to take their complaints seriously. We began to feel as if we really were responsible for the successful, error-free perfect use of these machines. I don't think we are. I think we're re [00:19]
mircea_popescu sponsible for stretching them, setting them off in new directions, and keeping fun in the house. " [00:19]
mircea_popescu see ? [00:19]
cazalla <<< mod6's guide was pretty straight forward when i used it to install gentoo, fell short on foundation's bitcoin though : [00:20]
assbot Logged on 07-08-2015 06:40:09; n6: How would someone get gentoo installed without this level of support? [00:21]
assbot Logged on 07-08-2015 06:40:37; trinque: I think the lesson here is that at least with current materials, they can't [00:21]
trinque was by no means a slight against mod6 [00:21]
trinque but an observation that one has to really reach back to remember what it's like to not even know how to describe what you're not understanding [00:22]
cazalla trinque, wasn't implying that, more that if i could do it then probably anyone else here can do the same [00:22]
trinque maybe so; the guy kinda diverged from the guide, but then that was because he didn't know what EFI vs BIOS was [00:23]
cazalla ah fair enough, no EFI trip wire here [00:24]
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mircea_popescu << this is only a problem of resource distribution. yes, in a world where for incomprehensible reasons every unit of plancton gets disposable money, you get britney spears and reddit. [00:26]
assbot Logged on 08-08-2015 00:28:04; asciilifeform: summary: nobody knows how to make selling computers +ev without the millions-of-planktonous-idiots market being involved somehow [00:26]
mircea_popescu nevertheless, it seems very improbable that arrangement will survive bitcoin. [00:26]
mircea_popescu chiefly for the reason discussed earlier. there is literally nothing most people can do that's worth paying btc for. [00:27]
mircea_popescu ie, "$lice of all value that will ever exist" [00:27]
mircea_popescu << you'll have to explain how you measure the V. [00:28]
assbot Logged on 08-08-2015 00:32:20; asciilifeform: just to add to the already forming lsd trip in this thread: i'm not personally convinced that ic production HAS EVER BEEN +EV [00:28]
mircea_popescu there is a directly obvious place where this is true. the way i approach a problem ? i have someone do it by hand. after enough of this, i have someone else automatize the easy to automatize parts. it grows from there. [00:31]
mircea_popescu the way "computer expert" approaches a problem ? first, he sits around imagining a problem that might be. then he comes up with the most theoretically-lovable way to solve a general problem three steps removed from what he imagined. then he proceeds to fail to implement a solution that mostly works. [00:32]
mircea_popescu time he spent = 10 to 100x time he saved, not to mention he saves time that's not worth saving in the first place. [00:32]
mircea_popescu this, yes, patently -EV. [00:32]
mircea_popescu but this does not speak about the activity of computing, or automating, or process design. it merely speaks of the idiot in question, and his tribe. [00:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.0005912 = 13.6567 BTC [+] [00:33]
mircea_popescu "all i did all week was write a program to save me one keystroke per month - INCREASE WORKEFICIENCY!1" [00:33]
mircea_popescu << this is pointedly NOT what -ev means. [00:40]
assbot Logged on 08-08-2015 01:30:40; asciilifeform: perhaps herbert's 'mentats', l0l [00:40]
mircea_popescu dude he went away just as it was getting interesting. [00:41]
asciilifeform back, had to put some food in [00:45]
mircea_popescu aha [00:45]
mircea_popescu so set out this thing again ? [00:45]
asciilifeform vlsi as man-in-space [00:45]
asciilifeform was the rough of it [00:45]
mircea_popescu but looky : man in space is -ev in the sense that if you make a bill of the required materials, and then divide the stores by that, you come to a number that's < world pop. [00:46]
mircea_popescu this is all. it just says "you can't send everyone" [00:46]
mircea_popescu it does not say "sending 5, or 50 or 500 is "-ev"" [00:46]
mircea_popescu because ev is not defined. [00:46]
asciilifeform the notion i was trying to get at is that presently existing units were financed on 100% 'jam tomorrow' [00:47]
asciilifeform like bitcoin asics. [00:47]
mircea_popescu you were financed the same way [00:47]
asciilifeform i.e. that ~all~ asics are quite like bitcoin asics in that respect [00:47]
mircea_popescu your parents decided to have a baby. [00:47]
mircea_popescu what was that ? [00:47]
asciilifeform aha but i'm cheaper. [00:47]
mircea_popescu in what numbers ? [00:47]
asciilifeform in just about any numbers one cares to pick. whether in minerals, or in joules, or in time of scarce experts tied up [00:48]
mircea_popescu not so. average cost per kid over 1-18 is about 500k atm. that makes the stable cost quadrillions. computers don't cost that much. [00:49]
asciilifeform 500k in what, usg uni tuition ? l0l [00:49]
mircea_popescu everything. starting with hiring the mother. [00:49]
asciilifeform i had this whole 'trip' while holding a ru z80 in my hands and wondering why there is no more where it came from [00:50]
asciilifeform if making such things is 'good business' [00:50]
mircea_popescu 2.5k calories a day * 365 * 20 is a decent chunk oif change even in hfcs terms [00:50]
asciilifeform and then realized that virtually every tech entity of that period, is either dead or usgized [00:50]
asciilifeform and came into existence via very questionable finance [00:50]
mircea_popescu so ? [00:50]
asciilifeform so perhaps computer can exist in the future of -- but only like an 18th c. church organ [00:51]
assbot Logged on 08-08-2015 03:27:10; mircea_popescu: nevertheless, it seems very improbable that arrangement will survive bitcoin. [00:51]
asciilifeform something which is a ~place~ [00:51]
asciilifeform near a locus of earthly power [00:52]
asciilifeform because all of our machinery ~today~ was financed via 'britney' [00:52]
asciilifeform no britney? welcome to 'univac', $1m half-z80. [00:52]
asciilifeform (or, for completeness, some yet-entirely-undiscovered 'third road' where we make'em out of belly button lint) [00:53]
mircea_popescu ftr, hfcs is 1-200 per 640 lb barrel. it's like sugar, about 4k calories per kg. so your kid costs [00:53]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 2500 * 365 * 20 / 4000 * .5 [00:54]
gribble 2281.25 [00:54]
mircea_popescu about 2.5k if it were a pig. [00:54]
asciilifeform there we go. [00:54]
mircea_popescu still think 500k is an exaggeration ? [00:54]
asciilifeform about same as small computer. [00:54]
mircea_popescu the point of comparison weould be "pile of scrap metal in the approximate shape of a desktop" [00:55]
asciilifeform at any rate, this edges into the territory of converting meters to litres and 'comparing the soft to the warm' [00:56]
mircea_popescu okay. [00:56]
mircea_popescu let's get back to your original idea. can you state it ? [00:56]
asciilifeform my real question was 'is it possible to finance a computer without duping millions that they Must Upgrade Because (tm) ' ? [00:56]
mircea_popescu (the only solution to the soft-warm comparison is a decent pair of tits) [00:56]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform depends. do you live in a world where most capital is uselessly distributed to idiots ? [00:57]
asciilifeform hence my mental excursion in this gedankenexperiment to the world of j.s. bach and his organs [00:57]
asciilifeform no britney there, no. but was it 'in the hands of idiots' still ? [00:57]
mircea_popescu if people get "salaries" for doing "work" which have to then be collected back from them - the mcdonald, walmart, windows and britney spears are unavoidable. [00:57]
asciilifeform aha [00:58]
mircea_popescu otherwise, none of these exist. [00:58]
mircea_popescu so your choice of whether you want a good computer or not reduces to whether you're willing to live without the mass delusion of you know, "democracy" or w/e it's called. [00:58]
asciilifeform and here is where we meet up with vlsi boojum: you can't do vlsi economically if there is room for six computers total. [00:58]
asciilifeform it ends up making space tourism look cheap. [00:58]
mircea_popescu don't confuse things. [00:58]
mircea_popescu the fact that there's room for six CAPITAL ALLOCATORS total [00:59]
mircea_popescu does not mean there's room for any specified number of computers. [00:59]
mircea_popescu a million, zero, undefined. [00:59]
asciilifeform who then issue, like cannon? [00:59]
asciilifeform i can see it. [00:59]
mircea_popescu "this is the sword we use" [00:59]
mircea_popescu "why ?" [00:59]
mircea_popescu "shoot him." [00:59]
asciilifeform ultima ratio regum (tm) !! [00:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94328 @ 0.00060731 = 57.2863 BTC [+] {4} [01:00]
asciilifeform << him [01:00]
mircea_popescu yes there may be a why somewhere. maybe there is. maybe they jacked off and spludged in that shape. none of your busienss in any case. [01:00]
assbot ... ( ) [01:00]
asciilifeform something quite like that. [01:00]
mircea_popescu consider the problem of cannon in ww2. obviously, an -ev machinery IN OUR CURRENT PEACETIME TERMS. [01:00]
asciilifeform but how do we end up ^there from _here [01:00]
mircea_popescu at the time, its ev was UNDEFINED [01:01]
mircea_popescu there were like 6 capital allocators [01:01]
mircea_popescu did this mean 6 cannons total ? [01:01]
asciilifeform this is why i said 'like cannon' aha. [01:01]
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mircea_popescu not even necessarily a likely or in any case the only stable solution [01:02]
asciilifeform was trying to think of some others [01:03]
mircea_popescu but the ev consideration, and the capital allocation consideration, and operations are three points forming a triangle [01:03]
asciilifeform on the off chance that one of them happens to be engineerable [01:03]
mircea_popescu the obvious one is the communitard "cooperative" thing socialists always rave about. [01:03]
mircea_popescu "we've surpassed money" [01:03]
asciilifeform where is the 'coop' z80 ? [01:03]
mircea_popescu like you know, the one in the gand story [01:03]
mircea_popescu well of fucking course it doesn't work [01:04]
mircea_popescu (but that's because it never was given a chance. you know, like al's thing) [01:04]
asciilifeform it tried, i have a bag of'em here [01:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00058431 = 5.3757 BTC [-] {3} [01:04]
asciilifeform but that was that [01:04]
mircea_popescu and i'm entirely at a loss as to why you'd want to engineer THAT [01:05]
asciilifeform (it is interesting that - afaik - no detailed production masks, notes, etc. from sov. clones of dec, zilog, etc. ever surfaced publicly during the collapse. quite possibly this is pure misfortune, the net did not arrive in time to catch'em, and/or no one digitized the materials) [01:05]
mircea_popescu "my faucet leaks so i wonder how this gravity curvature of spacetime thing could be made to work to my benefit" [01:05]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform if only that were the answer. [01:06]
asciilifeform for the mundane reason of wanting own si. [01:06]
mircea_popescu the true answer is much more sad than that. [01:06]
asciilifeform ^ that nobody gave half a fuck ? [01:06]
* asciilifeform knew that [01:06]
mircea_popescu so you don't want to own a faucet, instead prefer to alter schroedinger with your mind ? [01:06]
mircea_popescu wtf. [01:06]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, not that. [01:06]
mircea_popescu you know what also was lost, exactly the same way, for exactly the same reason ? [01:06]
mircea_popescu the detailed procedures of industry, as employed in the 1800s. [01:07]
asciilifeform aha [01:07]
asciilifeform the top hats! [01:07]
mircea_popescu like, how they ACTUALLY made the fucking looms work. [01:07]
* asciilifeform recalls mircea_popescu's article re: same [01:07]
mircea_popescu the reason is... because... not having the much hated IP at the time, [01:07]
mircea_popescu there was 0 incentive for anyone wit ha clue to share. [01:07]
mircea_popescu so they took it to grave and fuck you. [01:07]
asciilifeform like dks and the lisp machine blueprints, aha [01:07]
asciilifeform (i confronted him personally, at his house, he said 'stuff it') [01:08]
asciilifeform and 'ip' [01:08]
mircea_popescu myeah. [01:09]
mircea_popescu so you know... that's the large thing here. unless we manage to make the wot actually work for this purpose [01:09]
mircea_popescu we're in so many words proper fucked [01:09]
mircea_popescu because ip is going away, there's no fixing it. [01:09]
asciilifeform sorta what i was getting at [01:09]
mircea_popescu and without it, we're back to 1800 [01:09]
asciilifeform (among other) [01:09]
asciilifeform 1300. [01:09]
mircea_popescu somewhere between maybe. [01:09]
asciilifeform 1300+kalash [01:10]
asciilifeform (for a spell anyway) [01:10]
mircea_popescu the only good news is that wot can in fact owrk for this puropose. it solves it completely. [01:11]
mircea_popescu whether it catches tho... [01:11]
mircea_popescu but there's worse flags to die under, so there's that. [01:11]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: in somewhat related nyooz, i've been experimenting with what for now i call 'v' - a very dumb 'versioner' that i've been writing, which eats solely 0) pgp keys 1) patches 2) signatures for same, many-to-many mapping of (2) to (1) [01:11]
asciilifeform and walks graphz [01:11]
asciilifeform once actually useful, will post draft. [01:12]
mircea_popescu cool [01:12]
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asciilifeform (i don't grasp the need for notions like 'check in' or 'check out', etc. one instead throws patches and sigs in a pot, and then proceeds to ask for graph, and then select a leaf on said graph - and get a src tree out.) [01:13]
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mircea_popescu to celebrate, a) b) c) [01:14]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform this sounds like it. [01:14]
asciilifeform programmatizing gpg is a pain, though. [01:15]
asciilifeform (sorta like gcc..) [01:15]
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mircea_popescu << i bet you that if you ship the suit and the si, hf etc to danielpbarron he's washing it. [01:15]
assbot Logged on 08-08-2015 01:41:29; asciilifeform: find me a fella willing to wear a gas suit and wash si in HF all day, every day, 'for the good of' something-or-other. [01:16]
asciilifeform or i wash it. [01:16]
asciilifeform which makes 2 washers. [01:16]
mircea_popescu two washers coming right up : [01:17]
assbot ... ( ) [01:17]
asciilifeform mm neat. [01:17]
asciilifeform << there is a famous and quasi-mythological story about ww2 factory where ппш-41 ( ) was made. [01:21]
assbot Logged on 08-08-2015 04:07:42; mircea_popescu: there was 0 incentive for anyone wit ha clue to share. [01:21]
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asciilifeform involved workmen pissing in barrels to anneal [01:21]
asciilifeform and a serious lapse in quality when somehow the staffing rotated and this was not done [01:21]
* asciilifeform believes that this tale, if has any factual ground, is a corruption of some other thing that was actually physically plausible [01:22]
asciilifeform the basic root of the matter is that 'industrial production' is an abstraction ~on top of~ craftsmanship in the same way as the digital computer is an abstraction on top of analogue solid-state physics [01:23]
asciilifeform the abstraction is imperfect and necessarily leaks. [01:23]
mircea_popescu this is a recurring theme throughout the history of agrarian civilisations trying to internalise the industrial revolution - chiefly by putting a bit of their flesh i nthe machine. the jews supposedly making bread out of goy boy blood, the wine made by stepping on grapes, the sovet factory that ceased to work once they forbade huyspeak... [01:24]
mircea_popescu it's a thing. [01:24]
asciilifeform the last time this surfaced in a major way was when cnc lathe & mill were introduced, in the '50s (paper tape!) and engineers took to the notion that machinists could now be dispensed with [01:25]
asciilifeform this led to 'produce scrap metal at very high speed' (tm) [01:25]
mircea_popescu lol [01:25]
cazalla <<< seems after about age 5 the wind changed and hillary has remained ugly ever since [01:28]
assbot Logged on 07-08-2015 18:06:20; BingoBoingo: vs. [01:28]
mircea_popescu no way, hilary was a hottie in her teens and 20s [01:29]
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asciilifeform !up benkay [01:30]
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asciilifeform ^ divorced ? [01:30]
benkay no no [01:30]
cazalla mircea_popescu, please to be providing example as i'm not seeing it [01:30]
mircea_popescu sorta thing [01:33]
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mircea_popescu whatever. [01:33]
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asciilifeform 'where did all the ' txspam 'go, long time paaaassing, where did the' txspam 'go, long time ago...' [01:35]
asciilifeform where have all the phat blox gone, they're all under 300K every one... [01:36]
ben_vulpes 'when will they ever learn?' [01:36]
asciilifeform oooh when will they eeever learn [01:36]
ben_vulpes where have all the core devs gone [01:36]
ben_vulpes long time paaaaassing [01:36]
mircea_popescu heh [01:36]
cazalla mircea_popescu, one good, lucky, weird angled shot or in other words the exception that proves the rule, this ain't hot for a college chick [01:36]
asciilifeform << from the l0lfarms [01:37]
mircea_popescu cazalla you know the comparison is drastically unfair because fucktarded feminists of the 70s had nfi they are required to take nude cuntshots in bathroom or wear makeup [01:37]
asciilifeform ( << re same ) [01:37]
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mircea_popescu why would brain wallets want or need a derpy website ? [01:38]
asciilifeform why did 'truecrypt' ? [01:38]
asciilifeform (which went to the same garbage collector in the sky, in approximately the same way) [01:39]
cazalla a search of "1970s college chicks" turns up [01:39]
assbot 'The yearbook we never had!' An arts college in the 1970s where the hair was big, the parties raucous and nudity welcomed among the VERY liberal | Daily Mail Online ... ( ) [01:39]
ben_vulpes "What if someone was using that site and now needs to be able to use the phrase that memorized to get back the keys??? [01:40]
ben_vulpes Yes, I have an offline backup but say they did not? How can they find the equivalent thing to get back their keys???" [01:40]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: if you think that no one is ~that~ retarded... think again [01:40]
asciilifeform but whole sheband is probably smoke for something else entirely. [01:40]
mircea_popescu cazalla she was with the stupid girls, which is how she ended up in the shitter. [01:40]
ben_vulpes just a tiny lolfruit i picked for the lolfarm [01:40]
asciilifeform *shebang [01:41]
ben_vulpes sheband lol [01:41]
mircea_popescu think bitcoin chamber of commerce derpette, 40 years ago. [01:41]
ben_vulpes oh yeah what's miss boring up to these days? [01:41]
asciilifeform 'Ryan is also the author of brainflayer, a utility that attempts to find a guided brute force solution to brainwallet addresses.' [01:41]
asciilifeform ^ somebody reads #b-a logz [01:41]
asciilifeform re: 'coke machine' [01:41]
ben_vulpes [01:42]
assbot This Week’s Boring Pics [49 photos] – Never Obsolete ... ( ) [01:42]
ben_vulpes << good ol con con [01:42]
assbot Chamber of Digital Commerce - Chamber of Digital Commerce ... ( ) [01:42]
asciilifeform boring << [01:44]
assbot Logged on 10-07-2015 19:30:37; ascii_field: where i live - they're monosyllabic. mental age permanently 12 or so [01:44]
mircea_popescu cazalla seems about as unhot as possible. [01:44]
mircea_popescu < srsly ?! [01:44]
assbot ... ( ) [01:44]
cazalla well shit that slipped by my radar, i was looking more at the painted ass [01:45]
assbot ... ( ) [01:45]
cazalla gotta be better than hillary anyway [01:46]
* mircea_popescu goes to nekkid parties / occsionally fucks a slavegirl in public but they never to date looked this shitty. [01:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64050 @ 0.00061557 = 39.4273 BTC [+] {3} [01:47]
* ben_vulpes has nfi why hillary's past looks matter [01:47]
ben_vulpes she's as wrinkly as any other senator now [01:47]
ben_vulpes death comes for us all [01:47]
mircea_popescu DEATH! COMES FOR YOU ALL! [01:47]
asciilifeform why does the Al in bauxite matter ? [01:47]
mircea_popescu that was a great voiceover [01:47]
asciilifeform there isn't much else useful in ol'clitler [01:47]
asciilifeform than these photos. [01:47]
mircea_popescu keeping it clean, [01:48]
assbot ... ( ) [01:48]
asciilifeform << see also. [01:48]
assbot Logged on 04-03-2015 05:03:39; asciilifeform: to borrow dan mocsny's device, 'like the ruins of a great city, you can tell the woman was once beautiful - but you wouldn't want to move into parthenon' [01:48]
mircea_popescu anyone recalls the crazed dwarf from baldur's gate ? [01:49]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that one practically ~screams~ 'my brain is permanently 12 y.o.' [01:49]
mircea_popescu you're not well advised to judge women by their looks. [01:50]
asciilifeform or city by ruins [01:50]
asciilifeform but if that's all the archaeologist has - judge, judge. [01:50]
mircea_popescu it's worse than that. your idea of looks is mostly build on interpreting clues, and appearing harmless is a survival technique. [01:51]
mircea_popescu the word for this is moe. [01:51]
asciilifeform and yes, 'don't judge the corkscrew, it could really be a clavichord' [01:51]
asciilifeform but i see corkscrew, dammit [01:51]
asciilifeform moe ? [01:51]
mircea_popescu moe. [01:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00061054 = 6.1054 BTC [-] [01:52]
asciilifeform ;;ud moe [01:54]
gribble | The new meaning of 'moe' is entirely caught up in issues surrounding hobbies and taste. Specifically, 'moe' means be attracted to a specific character or its ... [01:54]
* asciilifeform did guess that jp [01:54]
asciilifeform 'The picture becomes clearer when we hear the frequent use of 'moe' referring to specific elements or characteristics, such as 'weak girl moe,' 'young lady moe,' and 'glasses moe.' The meaning of 'glasses moe' refers to a taste that is taken with a character who wears glasses; furthermore, this taste fetishizes the feature itself of glasses-wearing. In this case, glasses are the 'moe' element.' [01:55]
asciilifeform how does this differ from ANSI standard 'fetish' ? [01:55]
asciilifeform is my 'meta' stack not deep enough to grok this, or what [01:55]
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ben_vulpes phf has a moe [01:56]
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phf_mobile thanks [01:56]
ben_vulpes evening. ca va? [01:56]
asciilifeform 'Moe is when your heart gets a boner.' << l0lz [01:56]
ben_vulpes 'oneitis' [01:56]
ben_vulpes aka 'have not yet slept with enough girls to have sampled the distribution' [01:57]
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phf_mobile got a eulora mac built to a point of "brew install eulora"/"brew linkapps --local eulora" [01:57]
ben_vulpes no shit [01:58]
phf_mobile this is like a personal dragon slaying quest [01:58]
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ben_vulpes eulora quest [01:59]
ben_vulpes on mac [01:59]
ben_vulpes subquest of bitcoin quest [01:59]
asciilifeform kvest [02:00]
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asciilifeform splitz personality ftw [02:00]
asciilifeform speak to us, benkay ! [02:00]
mircea_popescu wordpress file uploader removes all dots except the last one [02:01]
mircea_popescu so .tar.gz -> tar.gz [02:01]
mircea_popescu motherfuckers. [02:01]
mircea_popescu who the fuck comes up with this shit [02:01]
asciilifeform ~somebody USED the uploader ?!!~ [02:01]
mircea_popescu yea [02:01]
* asciilifeform fl00red [02:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22850 @ 0.0006136 = 14.0208 BTC [+] [02:02]
* benkay shan't [02:02]
benkay and does it silently drop xml files too, mircea_popescu ? [02:03]
mircea_popescu no, you gotta download that service separately. [02:03]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform in principle stabbing and raping are the same activity. something modulates the behaviour so that you mostly stab does and mostly rape moes. [02:04]
mircea_popescu that something is called moe. [02:04]
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-assbot- You voiced n6 for 30 minutes. [02:04]
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n6 I'm back again still trying to do I got gentoo working last night with the help of trinque and everyone else in here taking HOURS to help me. But today I stepped on the ethernet cable, and broke the modem in such a way cables won't work. I have a Edimax EW-7811Un but no clue how to go about getting this working with just a base install. and no internet. [02:09]
assbot [OPEN] Callgraph for therealbitcoin, in SVG format. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [02:09]
mircea_popescu ahahaha i like this guy [02:10]
ben_vulpes omg the trials of n6 [02:11]
n6 Hard not to come back to finish after all the support given to me so far seems rude? [02:11]
ben_vulpes dood you know the reward already went out for that thing right? [02:11]
asciilifeform << neato [02:11]
assbot ... ( ) [02:11]
n6 It was never about the reward [02:11]
ben_vulpes that's the attitude [02:11]
n6 Also I formated my usb drive with livecd, to watch Female Trouble (1974), so please no more reinstalls. [02:13]
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phf_mobile can't help it, the girl can't help it [02:13]
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Bingo_VACAY Trap [02:16]
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n6 both lspci and lsusb arent working i'm at loss for where to even look. (base install) [02:17]
n6 I guess only need lsusb but it's not here. [02:18]
mircea_popescu n6 how did you pick that one ?! [02:21]
n6 Amazon gave it to go with a beagleboard then it didnt work at all. [02:22]
mircea_popescu the movie i mean [02:22]
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n6 oh your great blog post still working on getting my key sitatution fixed to rate you for such good work. [02:22]
asciilifeform n6: didja power that thing via microusb? needs >500mA if you actually use gadgets like this with that thing [02:22]
mircea_popescu phf_mobile i thought os/x just worked [02:22]
asciilifeform n6: plug the 5v cylindrical jack in [02:22]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: omg u troll! [02:23]
mircea_popescu waters fucking owes me! [02:23]
n6 asciilifeform: I'm not worried about the bone right now, only this graph. would be a shame if my 19 hours of gentoo installing came to nothing. [02:23]
Bingo_VACAY Future du hast [02:24]
* asciilifeform shudders at the thought of 19 ~actual keyboard hours~ somehow applied to gentoo [02:24]
n6 Not all keyboard hours a lot of time was spent trying to recompile on the free aws tier about 9 [02:25]
n6 before finding out about the real bitcoin guide. [02:26]
asciilifeform wai wat... [02:26]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform every damned time. [02:26]
asciilifeform aws!!! [02:26]
ben_vulpes wait you tried to build a gentoo on aws? [02:26]
n6 ben_vulpes got me [02:26]
ben_vulpes the whole point is to not fuck with gentoo and just use something prebuilt [02:26]
asciilifeform that's like cooking a fine meal of rare sturgeon in a public toilet as cauldron [02:26]
ben_vulpes you have too much respect for your tools [02:26]
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ben_vulpes i have [02:26]
ben_vulpes el minimo [02:26]
mircea_popescu hahaha [02:26]
ben_vulpes look guy wants to build bitcoin, go do it over there in the gentoo virtualization sandbox that Ju5t Werkz! [02:27]
n6 Tried to rebuild the kernal (I think) not really sure no understanding [02:27]
ben_vulpes gentoo quest [02:27]
ben_vulpes understanding is an quixotic illusion [02:27]
asciilifeform could try rotor [02:27]
n6 asciilifeform command not found. this is just a base install [02:28]
asciilifeform wai wat [02:28]
asciilifeform what command [02:28]
ben_vulpes $ rotor [02:28]
n6 did I miss something? [02:28]
* asciilifeform head-desks [02:28]
ben_vulpes WILKOMMEN [02:28]
asciilifeform n6: >> << him [02:29]
assbot [BTC-dev] Rotor! ... ( ) [02:29]
ben_vulpes dja know that i wrote assembly manuals for line operators, asciilifeform? [02:29]
asciilifeform can picture this. [02:29]
ben_vulpes designed things so as to prevent inquisitive operators from mutilating themselves? [02:29]
ben_vulpes i believe that i've mentioned this before [02:29]
ben_vulpes instructions, man. [02:30]
ben_vulpes almost not worthwhile. [02:30]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes failed! just look at us. we're mutilated, myootilaited! [02:30]
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n6 asciilifeform: what does DETERMINISTIC mean here? [02:31]
asciilifeform y'know it's true, benkay [02:31]
asciilifeform n6: means you get same result regardless of phase of the moon [02:31]
asciilifeform or whether pissed in the barrel of your gentoo when it was annealing [02:31]
asciilifeform or not [02:31]
asciilifeform etc. [02:31]
n6 I still don't understand, sorry. [02:31]
mircea_popescu n6 you understand what a static build is ? [02:32]
n6 no [02:32]
mircea_popescu your question can not be answered at this time o.O [02:32]
n6 let me do some reading and come back. [02:32]
asciilifeform ^ the right idea. [02:32]
phf_mobile this is like, from first principles [02:32]
* mircea_popescu has formally determined that the "what does deterministic mean here" inquiry can not be answered if "do you understand what static build is" comes out false. [02:34]
mircea_popescu i'm curious if anyone can come up with a (valid) answer. [02:34]
ben_vulpes in entirely unrelated news, the lil boy now kicks back when i poke at him [02:34]
* asciilifeform tried [02:34]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes don't poke TOO much [02:34]
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mircea_popescu !up n6 [02:34]
-assbot- You voiced n6 for 30 minutes. [02:34]
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asciilifeform !up n6 [02:34]
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mircea_popescu slowpoke [02:34]
* ben_vulpes wonders what poking too much would look like [02:35]
ben_vulpes like [02:35]
ben_vulpes no sex? [02:35]
n6 thanks guys got a wikipedia understand(not much) but it means compiled like apt-get packages? [02:35]
ben_vulpes n6: look up "dynamic linking" [02:35]
mircea_popescu we need a replacement wikipedia [02:35]
ben_vulpes also - what's your background? [02:35]
n6 ben_vulpes: just a long time casual pc user, ubtuntu copy past guides no real understanding of anything that seems to matter when deal with real problems. [02:36]
n6 *dealing [02:36]
ben_vulpes aha [02:37]
ben_vulpes well, 'grats on getting off windows [02:37]
ben_vulpes welcome to a whole new life of misery [02:37]
n6 I started this graph thing on os x and it couldn't do the job. then ben_vulpes told me to try AWS, but you can't just give someone a spaceship they have to earn it. [02:37]
ben_vulpes dude you're not flying spaceships right now [02:37]
asciilifeform more of an 'ohka' [02:38]
ben_vulpes do you want to do gentoo quest or do you want to play around with the callgraph generator? [02:38]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: 'ohka'? [02:38]
ben_vulpes ahaha [02:38]
asciilifeform << her [02:38]
assbot ... ( ) [02:38]
ben_vulpes aka 'baka' [02:39]
asciilifeform it. [02:39]
ben_vulpes a very funny name for gaijin to cook up. [02:39]
asciilifeform << sim folks lovingly archaeologizing [02:40]
assbot Ohka as Flyable | Forums ... ( ) [02:40]
mircea_popescu wait we now agree gentoo = kamikaze plane ? [02:42]
asciilifeform << linked for the sheer bowel-massaging power of the mistranslationz [02:42]
assbot Yokosuka MXY7 Ohka ... ( ) [02:42]
mircea_popescu celebroat ! [02:42]
assbot ... ( ) [02:42]
cazalla ben_vulpes, did you end up going ahead with co-sleeping? [02:43]
ben_vulpes kiddo's still in-utero, cazalla [02:45]
asciilifeform << from american 'popular mech.' and hey, whats the pr0blem, fastest machine of its time ! [02:45]
assbot ... ( ) [02:45]
asciilifeform and simplest [02:45]
ben_vulpes probably will for funsies, but it turns out the plan is to have a basinette next to the bed [02:45]
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ben_vulpes girl on the left looks startlingly familiar [02:46]
cazalla was it someone else that mentioned it? getting confused with all these soon to be or recently arrived babies [02:46]
ben_vulpes and what the hell are they drinking [02:46]
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n6 ben_vulpes: sorry reading I want it all [02:47]
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ben_vulpes cazalla: i did mention cosleeping yeah [02:47]
ben_vulpes but those to whom that work has been delegated have other probably more sane ideas [02:47]
ben_vulpes as mp said one time "mothers care too much and fathers don't know wtf's in the box" [02:47]
mircea_popescu incidentally, the ohka was perhaps the least successful war machine of all time. [02:48]
mircea_popescu what was it, 20 carrier planes sent, 1 returned, virtually no hits ? [02:48]
ben_vulpes n6: good way to make minimal progress on everything [02:48]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: most ended in the sea [02:48]
asciilifeform (carried on defenseless bomber) [02:49]
asciilifeform sources disagree on how many actually hit anything [02:49]
mircea_popescu wasn't one that punched through and fell past the ship ? [02:49]
mircea_popescu and most of them really needed the pilot to be alive throughout, etc [02:49]
asciilifeform there are mentions of going right through and exploding on other side, aha [02:49]
asciilifeform which to me sounds like a workmanship problem with detonator [02:50]
cazalla and reddit delivers within the hour [02:50]
assbot Logged on 08-08-2015 04:40:12; ben_vulpes: "What if someone was using that site and now needs to be able to use the phrase that memorized to get back the keys??? [02:50]
assbot Serious: shutdown and now I am wondering how to get keys back from the phrase? : Bitcoin ... ( ) [02:50]
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ben_vulpes anyways, good evening pete_dushenski [02:52]
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ben_vulpes when's yours due? [02:53]
pete_dushenski howdy ben_vulpes [02:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00060762 = 3.1596 BTC [-] [02:54]
pete_dushenski 2 weeks ? [02:54]
ben_vulpes o wow [02:54]
pete_dushenski what is this #bitcoin-babies or something ? [02:54]
ben_vulpes doing anything wacky for the deploy? [02:54]
mircea_popescu lol [02:54]
ben_vulpes limit of everything as time goes on is babies [02:54]
mircea_popescu it;d better be very wacky for cult's sake. [02:54]
pete_dushenski o it is. [02:55]
ben_vulpes hottub in the snow? [02:55]
pete_dushenski at least as far as canuckian standards go [02:55]
pete_dushenski lol [02:55]
mircea_popescu having it in a tub full of jello shot ? [02:55]
ben_vulpes on a boat? [02:55]
ben_vulpes with a goat? [02:55]
ben_vulpes the midwife is a groat? [02:55]
pete_dushenski more like pools, midwives, doulas. [02:56]
mircea_popescu btw, i understand this midwife business if you live with your wife and the other girl sleeps in between you two, [02:56]
mircea_popescu but what if you have more than two womenz ?! [02:56]
asciilifeform then multiple stators [02:56]
asciilifeform elementarily. [02:56]
mircea_popescu are all of them midwives ? [02:56]
asciilifeform [02:57]
assbot Logged on 03-04-2015 03:22:33; asciilifeform: (if fella who turns, is 'rotor') [02:57]
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asciilifeform ^ see also [02:57]
mircea_popescu seems more like quarterwive and threequarterwive or w/e the case may be [02:57]
asciilifeform depends on how many phase. [02:57]
ben_vulpes > mid wife [02:57]
ben_vulpes >.< [02:57]
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cazalla my missus had an elective c-section, made the day somewhat of a non-event when compared to hollywood/tv births [02:58]
mircea_popescu not really great for fertility is it ? [02:58]
ben_vulpes what drove that decision? [02:58]
cazalla just asked.. "cause i'm not sitting around in pain for 10 hours" [02:59]
ben_vulpes o.O [02:59]
ben_vulpes if y'r in pain for 10 hours y'r doing it wrong [03:00]
mircea_popescu depends on the ass. [03:00]
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cazalla mircea_popescu, doesn't affect my fertility last i checked :P [03:01]
mircea_popescu lol [03:01]
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n6 Have lost the plot, how does all this help me with my wifi working? [03:01]
cazalla although hers? who knows, tried the past 2 months and it didn't take yet [03:01]
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phf_mobile obligatory [03:01]
assbot Son of Kronar page 1 ... ( ) [03:01]
mircea_popescu ahaha another oglaf fan ? [03:01]
pete_dushenski ;;seen decimation [03:01]
gribble decimation was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 43 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: I enjoyed my time here, learned much, had many lolz. I do not wish to cause drama or be an impediment to improving bitcoin. Even though I presently have L2 rating from a few people, I am not going impose on their good grace by remaining. God bless all of you. [03:01]
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pete_dushenski well that's that, i guess. [03:02]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: lulzy, no? almost like poor fella confessed [03:02]
asciilifeform ergo was he a 'baron stierlitz', on our side! [03:02]
ben_vulpes much less protracted than the viragh episode [03:02]
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ben_vulpes hi bobby! still reading logs? [03:03]
pete_dushenski does sound like a bit of a 'ya got me, pardner' moment [03:03]
phf_mobile i remember oglaf from when before they had rss feed. so i wrote one and hosted it on my machine. i still get ~~100 requests for now long missing file a day [03:04]
pete_dushenski cazalla: [03:04]
assbot La Serenissima fender flags: a modest proposal | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( ) [03:04]
mircea_popescu phf_mobile it's so popular here people do oglafbot by hand. [03:04]
mircea_popescu ;;seen oglafbot [03:04]
gribble oglafbot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 10 hours, 25 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: [03:04]
asciilifeform now if only 'sexy losers' were still running [03:04]
asciilifeform the ~other~ mega-comic [03:04]
cazalla pete_dushenski, do you mean for me to illustrate that S or actually draw that S into the logo? [03:04]
phf_mobile but i'm .. more .. then .. a .. man [03:05]
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pete_dushenski cazalla: start with the easier one and work your way up [03:05]
phf_mobile different internet era [03:06]
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cazalla pete_dushenski, well to be fair i already seen that image elsewhere [03:07]
pete_dushenski um, that's the point ? [03:08]
cazalla specifically so when i saw yours, first thought was that it was some jewish stockholm syndrome [03:09]
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pete_dushenski what, you think i made that shit up ex nihilo ? [03:09]
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pete_dushenski lol dude, that's the joke ! [03:09]
pete_dushenski mebbe funny, probably not, but like i said, was just looking for an art project [03:10]
cazalla well you said maybe it was trolling so clearly it went over my head [03:10]
phf_mobile ben_vulpes: hey, if you have some time to try and build eulora, the following incantation should do it: brew tap homebrew/versions; brew tap pf/homebrew-eulora; brew install eulora; brew linkapps eulora [03:11]
cazalla but c'mon, adding a dash of red and deleting a line does not make it a design proposal [03:11]
pete_dushenski it's not like i'm taking this shit to get printed so i can cruise around downtown berlin at 200 kph with my ass out the window [03:11]
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pete_dushenski fender flags bending in the breeze [03:11]
mircea_popescu phf_mobile he's in already. [03:11]
phf_mobile oh bah [03:11]
ben_vulpes not on os x! [03:11]
pete_dushenski cazalla: because ? [03:11]
cazalla pete_dushenski, well you already have the merc and that's 99% of the way there to adding the flags [03:12]
ben_vulpes running, phf_mobile [03:12]
mircea_popescu speakin' of the 70s, [03:13]
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ben_vulpes because ip is going away, there's no << hear har [03:13]
pete_dushenski cazalla: looky, the car and the flags are but a symbol, and until the underlying material fact of diplomatic immunity is a reality, a day i intend to see but am not deluded enough to believe is here yet, then it's for personal enjoyment. [03:14]
ben_vulpes i like the fingerprint tho, pete_dushenski [03:15]
ben_vulpes kinda want mine painted on my rear fender [03:15]
ben_vulpes << tres tres tres nifty [03:15]
assbot Logged on 08-08-2015 04:13:57; asciilifeform: (i don't grasp the need for notions like 'check in' or 'check out', etc. one instead throws patches and sigs in a pot, and then proceeds to ask for graph, and then select a leaf on said graph - and get a src tree out.) [03:15]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: how's life with the vette btw ? [03:16]
ben_vulpes rather nice [03:16]
cazalla pete_dushenski, A+ for effort but that doesn't make it good, if i wanted a 2 minute knock up andy warhol photoshop job i could do it myself [03:16]
ben_vulpes everyone gets the fuck out of my way. [03:16]
ben_vulpes haven't rolled like that since the suburban i drove as a younger boy [03:16]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes and pete_dushenski remind me, an associate of mine was offering up a car for btc [03:17]
asciilifeform also made me think of kakobrekla. [03:17]
ben_vulpes yes i would very much like to trade a rapidly depreciating asset for one that doesn't [03:17]
ben_vulpes o.O [03:17]
ben_vulpes although i have hopes the corvette will preserve some of its value. [03:17]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes gonna put it in his pocket and take across the sea ? [03:18]
pete_dushenski cazalla: dude. it's not for you. fin. [03:18]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: what kinda car was he selling ? [03:18]
asciilifeform iirc it was a 'mazda rx8' [03:18]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: now why'd i do that [03:18]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: i'd fully expect to the vette to hold its value [03:18]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: aha. 'wankel' 1.3L rotary engine [03:19]
asciilifeform it. [03:19]
pete_dushenski the 'rotor' of cars ! [03:19]
ben_vulpes wankel like electric is a perpetually recurring fad in cars [03:19]
pete_dushenski wankel drinks, as in -guzzles-, oil [03:20]
asciilifeform & petrol [03:20]
gribble Error: "petrol" is not a valid command. [03:20]
ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: seen the duke engine? [03:20]
ben_vulpes [03:20]
assbot Duke Engines - YouTube ... ( ) [03:20]
pete_dushenski gribble doesn't like cars [03:20]
cazalla pete_dushenski, then who is it for, just you personally? might want to correct your article then "a modest design proposal for La Serenissima" and you’d better believe that #b-a Lords will have fender flags on their motor coaches" [03:20]
asciilifeform on their 'ohkas' [03:21]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: weird. new to me. [03:21]
asciilifeform chrysanthemum ftw [03:21]
pete_dushenski cazalla: there's layers here. if you insist on skimming from the top, you'll just get yourself annoyed. [03:22]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: "chrysaanthemum"? [03:24]
asciilifeform jp imperial heraldic [03:25]
ben_vulpes ah nm [03:25]
cazalla pete_dushenski, what on earth would annoy me about something you drew (lifted) and pitched as your own design proposal? if the bar at which criticism bothers you is set so low, might be time to reevaluate things [03:26]
asciilifeform though apparently << cherry blossom [03:26]
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mats is a shame decimation is taking off [03:29]
mats consumed cycles, sure, but contributed with interesting conversation [03:30]
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pete_dushenski ya, he brought decent news articles this way. also fellow econtalk listener [03:30]
mats could be worse. could be Anduck or vexual [03:31]
pete_dushenski ;;seen Anduck [03:31]
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gribble Anduck was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 weeks, 1 day, 16 hours, 38 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: hmm, seems to work. thanks! [03:31]
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pete_dushenski name rings a bell, not sure i've ever chatted with ducky. [03:31]
mats but to be fair decimation is the only fella regularly engaging in conversation here I can think of that doesn't contribute to LA serenissima [03:33]
mats la* stupid mobile [03:33]
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mircea_popescu "A friend's company took over an officespace previously rented by Crypsa, a Cryptocurrency Standards organization. They tried to sell us them their furnishings ... tables, chairs, etc. ... but my friend got a little suspicious, because they used to live on the same floor and heard that some people got free furnishings. So they approached the Landlord and asked where Crypsa got their furniture. It turns out that yes, th [03:34]
mircea_popescu ey did get it from the Landlord and of course, for free. So, the Landlord, now supremely pissed, went and confronted the guy running Crypsa. According to him, the guy just 'blubbered and stammered - he had no excuse.'. It's funny when people get caught in the act, but in this case, it was just sad." [03:34]
mircea_popescu how the heck are there all these bullshits nobody ever heard of. [03:34]
asciilifeform 'standards organization' !!?!?! [03:35]
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pete_dushenski cazalla: i dunno what to tell you dude. if you don't like it, you can always take a yellow taxi with jurov. no one's holding a gun to your head around here. if more than one 'lord' likes the 'proposal', then 'lordS will have fender flags on their motor coaches' [03:36]
pete_dushenski and if not, then my proposal sucks, and it's just lil' ol' me ! [03:36]
pete_dushenski mats: y'know i hadn't noticed it, but looking at his ratings, it was immediately obvious (if ex-post) [03:38]
cazalla pete_dushenski, if it was a design proposal, you would be a little less stand offish when facing criticism, that said, it's the final product which explains why you've got yourself in a little tizzy [03:38]
pete_dushenski cazalla: so let's see this magic 's' of yours, ya ? [03:38]
mircea_popescu i give this cazalla trolling pete_dushenski thing a 4/10 [03:39]
pete_dushenski cazalla: might be an ozzie thing, y'know ? or mebbe commonwealth, i'm curious [03:39]
mats lol [03:40]
cazalla pete_dushenski, that S thing is and i'm pitching design proposals in the first place [03:40]
pete_dushenski mebbe cazalla imagines that a mercedes 560 sel with 3/4 swastika fender flags will be on his driveway unless he says something now [03:40]
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mats cazalla: I used to doodle that design in grade school [03:41]
cazalla mats, hence that S thing that every kid except pete_dushenski drew [03:41]
pete_dushenski cazalla: lol oooh ya, i totally remember those. but i never in a million years woulda imagined that's what you meant by 'that s that every kid drew' [03:41]
asciilifeform do we each get a dead empire to necromancy ? [03:41]
asciilifeform 'cause i want one too [03:41]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: who're you taking then ? [03:41]
pete_dushenski cazalla: and that's a good point, i sure as fuck never drew these. [03:42]
pete_dushenski saw other kids ? sure. [03:42]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: su, or us, or whoever. [03:42]
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mats I claim the qing. [03:42]
asciilifeform mm [03:42]
mircea_popescu !up n6 [03:42]
-assbot- You voiced n6 for 30 minutes. [03:42]
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pete_dushenski mats if you're going asian, why not khanate ? [03:43]
mats I got a drop or two of Manchu. [03:43]
n6 Statically built programs link to libraries the system controls and DETERMINISTIC has everything you need included? [03:43]
mats not pure Han. [03:43]
pete_dushenski so diverse ! [03:43]
asciilifeform [03:43]
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mircea_popescu n6 something like that. [03:43]
mats [03:44]
assbot Quote by Orson Scott Card: “A Great Rabbi stands, teaching in the marketpla...” ... ( ) [03:44]
ben_vulpes statically built programs do not link at runtime, n6 [03:44]
ben_vulpes they have all the machine code they need in their executeable files [03:44]
cazalla drink from the rivers of gold [03:46]
assbot Toxic mine water accidentally released by EPA in Colorado river flows south | US news | The Guardian ... ( ) [03:46]
mircea_popescu mats heh wtf is that thing [03:46]
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mircea_popescu < heh [03:47]
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asciilifeform l0l! [03:48]
mats an excerpt from a vaguely metaphysical and spiritual scifi series in the "ender's game" universe I read as a kid [03:48]
mircea_popescu mats do you detect the atrocious vulgarity of it or notrly ? [03:49]
mats well we have fundamentally different value systems [03:49]
asciilifeform reminds me of how, allegedly, a 'go' board and its stones made their way to leonhard euler. and he concluded that the game was played by tossing'em into the cavity at the bottom between the legs [03:50]
mats so, while I enjoy the prose, I don't otherwise know what you mean by vulgarity [03:50]
mircea_popescu mats what's your definition of vulgarity ? [03:50]
mats a lack of refinement [03:51]
asciilifeform << it [03:51]
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mircea_popescu well that doesn't exactly help because i assume refinement is then a lack of vulgarity ? [03:51]
mats plebeian [03:52]
mircea_popescu right, made to appeal to the common man. [03:52]
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mircea_popescu "all operating systems are monolithic because that's just how computers work" is a fine example of utter vulgarity. [03:53]
mircea_popescu it stays true for as long as the reader stays stupid. [03:53]
mats well, how do you find this to be vulgar beyond the appeal to plebs [03:53]
mircea_popescu like the os quote, it contains no truth, merely the figments of truth in the shape of nonsense that stays truthy on a first approximation basis [03:54]
mircea_popescu and on that note, [03:55]
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cazalla warning, white pointers [03:57]
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n6 mircea_popescu: are you hinting at the need to build lsub (here) and move it over to (there) In a DETERMINISTIC way? lsub seems to be what I need. [04:02]
ben_vulpes deterministic doesn't have much to do with what you're working on n6 [04:02]
n6 then why did I need to know about static linking? [04:03]
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n6 ben_vulpes: How can I build lsub on my macbook and take it to my gentoo install? [04:04]
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n6 Looks like I killed the channel sorry. [04:09]
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ben_vulpes n6: that is beyond me, boss [04:14]
ben_vulpes nah, 'twasn't you [04:14]
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ben_vulpes static linking is a thing to know about to hack on bitcoin related things [04:14]
ben_vulpes !up n6 [04:14]
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n6 I will come back and try again when more people are around. sorry to waste everyones time tonight. [04:19]
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punkman asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: lulzy, no? almost like poor fella confessed << I was slightly baffled because I thought decimation was in someone's meat-wot, then realized I was thinking of diametric. anyway, quite suspect parting message. [04:43]
punkman << for more lulz [04:46]
assbot Logged on 08-08-2015 06:35:49; asciilifeform: 'standards organization' !!?!?! [04:46]
assbot Standards - DATA ... ( ) [04:46]
ben_vulpes ;;later tell -hf_mobile i'm going to give this another whack tonight and then knock off for a spell. cs seems unhappy about...something. [04:46]
gribble Error: That is an invalid IRC nick. Please check your input. [04:46]
ben_vulpes ;;later tell phf_mobile i'm going to give this another whack tonight and then knock off for a spell. cs seems unhappy about...something. [04:47]
gribble The operation succeeded. [04:47]
cazalla from that brain wallet drama someone had 250 btc using "how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood" [04:49]
scoopbot_revived Pete moves up, Ver moves on. [04:49]
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punkman cazalla, hah! [04:49]
pete_dushenski punkman: the diametric/decimation and undata/trinque things readily cause confusion. [04:49]
pete_dushenski to say nothing of benkay/ben_vulpes and bitcoinpete/pete_dushenski ! [04:50]
ben_vulpes undata and trinque are the same guy too, pete [04:50]
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pete_dushenski ayayay, i'm just not getting through today ! [04:52]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: *sigh* i know. [04:52]
pete_dushenski mebbe i need to hit the sack and try again tmrw [04:52]
trinque I go by this other, more specific piece of data now [04:52]
pete_dushenski lol but i liked undata ! [04:53]
trinque 'twas alright [04:53]
punkman [04:53]
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pete_dushenski trinque: i thought it was better than 'alright' [04:53]
pete_dushenski seriously [04:53]
trinque why thank you [04:53]
pete_dushenski but anyways, i'm off to sleep, bon soir a tous ! [04:54]
trinque gnite [04:54]
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cazalla anyone know what this is?$_20.JPG supposedly some type of printer but prints what exactly? [07:26]
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cazalla i thought maybe some kind of old embossing machine [07:27]
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jurov wow that log [07:30]
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jurov mircea_popescu strucks me like -- "who needs the yucky plankton" said the whale [07:31]
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HeySteve cazalla my guess is some kind of basic injection moulder [07:36]
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shinohai ;;ticker [09:29]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 272.16, Best ask: 272.54, Bid-ask spread: 0.38000, Last trade: 272.16, 24 hour volume: 16808.69151018, 24 hour low: 271.5, 24 hour high: 281.0, 24 hour vwap: None [09:29]
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mod6 So now that we have 'rotor', most likly we won't need to have the gentoo guide. We'll see how it goes but in the future we'll probably just point people at the gentoo handbook if they want to run Gentoo. [11:40]
mod6 *likely [11:40]
mod6 It took me 6 weeks to build that thing with tons of Trinque's help. n6: I understand your frustration totally. [11:41]
mod6 I appreciate your giving it a run through. [11:43]
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kakobrekla > Ironically, now that MCP runs on commodity hardware some elements of the MCP based software suite are no longer made available in source form by Unisys. [11:58]
shinohai <<< agreed, but I'm not giving up. Despite how much I love Debian, systemd is a drawback. :/ [12:03]
assbot Logged on 08-08-2015 14:41:35; mod6: It took me 6 weeks to build that thing with tons of Trinque's help. n6: I understand your frustration totally. [12:03]
mod6 Sure thing. Agree 100%, but since 'rotor' can run on any "sane" linux (to quote ascii), we don't have to marry ourselves to Gentoo and thereby also provide steps to build Gentoo. As 'rotor' should work basically anywhere. Needs to really. [12:05]
mod6 The whole 'we need to get to a sane environment -- let's use Gentoo' idea was pre-dated the rotor. Now I just gotta get rotor to work for me :] [12:07]
shinohai I haven't got it to run 100% for me outside of a basic x86_64 build. I am waiting to see a build log for arm systems, then I think I can run with the cross-compilation thing. [12:09]
shinohai As it stands, I am still using stator. [12:09]
kakobrekla J_EDGAR_HOOVER is the main security guardian of the system, called upon at process start, file open, user log on, etc. < lmao [12:10]
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shinohai Also mod6 I still have not resolved that rpc issue, will take a fresh look later this afternoon. [12:21]
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mod6 shinohai: ok, did you get a chance to try it on v0.5.3? [12:39]
mod6 It also couldn't hurt to describe exactly what you're trying to do in here. [12:39]
shinohai Not yet, gonna clear a space to try it. But I tried multiple times on the other versions and no dice. [12:40]
shinohai Simple rpc call is all, with auth [12:40]
mod6 other versions as in .. from us? or from power rangers? [12:40]
mod6 specifics are good :] [12:40]
shinohai All the versions of therealbitcoin. Power rangers are fine. [12:40]
shinohai For ref, this is what I tried: [12:41]
shinohai curl --user rpcuser --data-binary '{"jsonrpc": "1.0", "id":"curltest", "method": "getinfo", "params": [] }' [12:41]
shinohai Which asks for password, which I supplied as listed in my .conf [12:41]
mod6 Ok, yup, next try on v0.5.3 [12:42]
mod6 log results plz [12:42]
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shinohai kk. I am just trying to confirm if I am the only one having this issue. If so, then I am doing *something* horribly stupid. [12:43]
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shinohai I fired up namecoind and used the same curl request fine :/ [12:43]
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shinohai Phoundation v 0.10.0 works too [12:44]
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mircea_popescu from that brain wallet drama someone had 250 btc using "how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood" << the benefits of more adoption. i bet you he "just wanted bitcoin to work" and "we" should make sure that happens while he focuses on whatever the fuck he does. running for mayor in futopia, coming up with surnames for earthwor [12:47]
mircea_popescu ms, ~important~ stuff. [12:47]
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phf ;;later tell ben_vulpes if you can run `brew -v install cs >cs-debug.log 2>&1` (-v shows the underlying build output) and send me paste cs-debug.log that would be helpful. [12:48]
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wgromniak mircea_popescu, thx, just lurking [12:48]
asciilifeform 'Move your money out of any brainwallets you’re using. Please. Don’t get robbed. Somebody just lost $14K last week. Here’s how.' << mega-l0l! >> [12:49]
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mircea_popescu << i have nfi why porn is sorted by all sorts of dubious criteria rather than say "tit shape". "All girls pears volume MCXVI". "Catshaped Tits LMII". "That weird pubescent thing where the nipple is most of the tit XIV" [12:50]
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mircea_popescu in any case, [12:51]
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shinohai >.> [12:52]
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mircea_popescu mircea_popescu strucks me like -- "who needs the yucky plankton" said the whale << can you be specific ? what is this, neoimpressionism ? [12:52]
asciilifeform 'Brainflayer could cover that search space in less than a week on EC2' << lamerz. when i heard 'brainflayer' i assumed it was this chair where victim is slowly electrified with character by character scrolling by and settling into place 'slot machine' style based on his reactions, as his eyelids are glued open [12:53]
asciilifeform (character of the pw) [12:53]
shinohai I assume one must have a brain before attempting to use a brainwallet .... [12:54]
asciilifeform either ^this or that 'f-mri' gadget where machine determines if 'has seen X before' [12:54]
asciilifeform and iterates through partial X-es [12:54]
mircea_popescu Sure thing. Agree 100%, but since 'rotor' can run on any "sane" linux (to quote ascii), we don't have to marry ourselves to Gentoo << not clear there exist any sane linuxen ; not clear that if we don't marry to something there'll be anything left next year. that sorta thing. [12:55]
phf ;;later tell ben_vulpes in fact if i manage to fix whatever cs issue future instruction should be to do brew install -v eulora > eulora.log 2>&1, so you don't have to rerun it twice if something breaks [12:55]
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mircea_popescu but otherwise the point is correct, the gentoo choice predated the rotor and proibably was made obsolete by it [12:55]
asciilifeform even if using 'rotor', you still gotta live in that linux. [12:56]
asciilifeform use its xorg, userland, etc [12:56]
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wywialm hello, I would like to request your comments on the project i am collaborating on [12:57]
wywialm [12:58]
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shinohai dat javascript [12:59]
wywialm works without :) [13:00]
mircea_popescu wywialm can you isntead make statements ? [13:00]
wywialm sure, statements about the exchange? [13:01]
mircea_popescu like "i'm collaborating on a project based on P1 P2 P3 being true and P4 and P5 being false, it is supposed to achieve Q. Any comments ?" [13:01]
mircea_popescu that works a lot better, not likely i'm going to form much of a useful idea from looking at a web interface. [13:02]
wywialm from the security perspective, it is based on the MPEx PGP standard [13:02]
mircea_popescu in other lolz, [13:03]
assbot A complete theory of economics on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [13:03]
wywialm (see [13:03]
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mircea_popescu wywialm in the sense that what, users give you their key and all subsequent communication's encrypted and signed by it ? [13:03]
wywialm that is true [13:04]
mircea_popescu pretty cool. [13:04]
shinohai Leaving this here for google to index kthx. <<< lulz wut? [13:05]
mircea_popescu someone is new at the entire "spun content" business. [13:05]
mircea_popescu "make money while asleep!" [13:05]
phf next step in SEO, leaving links on b-a. "hitler lizard diddled singles! http://..." [13:06]
mircea_popescu i'd pay to see. [13:07]
mircea_popescu what is this, woman being ravished by komodo dragon with military cap ? [13:07]
wywialm from the financial perspective, it assumes that when running futures exchange, one should also provide options and have a complete market [13:08]
mircea_popescu "Thats like saying the dotcom bubble was a scam isn't it? You can certainly phrase it like that but is that really whats going on. An actual scam?" [13:08]
mircea_popescu where do these fucktards spawn from srsly. [13:09]
mircea_popescu wywialm options on what ? [13:09]
mircea_popescu for instance i had an open offer for a tsla short in here weeks ago, could it have filled it ? [13:09]
wywialm and that market should be bitcoin-oriented, i.e. contracts should be structured treading fiat currencies as foreign currencies [13:09]
mircea_popescu oh, fx futures you mean ? [13:09]
wywialm currently - on fiat currencies, but i'd very much like to introduce stock options [13:09]
mircea_popescu how do you resolve the liability issue ? [13:10]
mircea_popescu suppose i buy a million dollars to be delivered in q4. how do you resolve the part where you have to make sure whoever sold me the mn actually has it by then ? [13:10]
wywialm currently the contracts are financially settled, but when we move to the physical delivery (as soon as possible), the margins would increase as the contract approaches notice date [13:12]
mircea_popescu so sellers get daily margin calls ? [13:12]
mircea_popescu << quoted for the pained face and contorted body language of the derp in white. she KNOWS, like in her ovaries, that she's looking at exactly what she should be doing. she thinks, in her stupid head, that this is not something she could do. so she's in the physically detectable process of inventing contortions of nonsense to [13:13]
mircea_popescu "explain" and "make sense" of it all. because omfg, what if she just ditched the blouse o noes her mommy told her the sky would fall. [13:13]
wywialm margin calls might appear in real time, if the margin is not replenished quickly, the position is liquidated [13:13]
wywialm where quickly is defined in terms of price move [13:14]
mircea_popescu "quickly" [13:14]
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mircea_popescu so it gets liquidated. what's that do for buyer ? [13:14]
wywialm :) [13:14]
mircea_popescu i bought 1mn in q4, yoiu're gonna give me 3/4 mn in q3 because hey, why not ? [13:14]
mircea_popescu im suing you. [13:14]
wywialm the liquidated contract is sold on the market at the market price [13:15]
mircea_popescu but you see what i mean do you ? [13:16]
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wywialm yes, ultimately, the exchange provides reserves to cover for members' losses, which are planned to be strenghened by credit default swaps [13:17]
shinohai From: "The Cold Wallet is implemented on top of the Bitcoin Core client using watch-only addresses." <<< fail ? [13:18]
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wywialm shinohai that is why i'm asking you - could you please explain? [13:18]
mircea_popescu this will be the bane of your existence, on the general theoretic front. because like it or not, the unappealing dilemma is, either offer "renegotiable contracts", which is roughly what you're describing, and which fails at the only job futures have to do (ie, ensure the buyer of specified amount of specified merchandise on specified date), or else full reserve, which will kill your speculators without which no market [13:19]
mircea_popescu can function (irrespective of what idiots such as the eu central bank think). so there is that. [13:19]
mircea_popescu but in point of fact, for your daily life, you'll have a much more annoying problem. [13:19]
mircea_popescu what btc price do you use for settlement ? [13:19]
shinohai wywialm: still analyzing [13:20]
mircea_popescu shinohai will require a coupla engineers always on to watch the watchjer. this is unavoidalbe, bitcoin is a pos anyway. [13:20]
wywialm currently - an average across 4 USD exchanges, with cutting out outliers [13:21]
mircea_popescu problem being the market's illiquid enough to be easily pushed. but that's not something you'll manage to fix or really should be fixing. [13:22]
mircea_popescu what's the meaning of "collaborating on" in this context ? [13:22]
wywialm i am the economist behind all this [13:23]
mircea_popescu are you an outside consultant on a salary, a board member with an equity interest, a volunteer academic, none of the above. [13:23]
mircea_popescu (note that deferred salary payments and other promises make you a 3) [13:24]
wywialm re spot illiquidity - i acknowlegde this, currency futures as well as commodity futures should have physical delivery and we're working on it [13:25]
mircea_popescu if your future doesn't deliver it has a hole in it, sooner or later it'll infect and puss out. anyway. [13:25]
wywialm 3) academic with deferred salary payments dependent of the performace of the exchange [13:26]
mircea_popescu why would you wish to risk your reputation (which, whatever you may think of it, is significant enough that you can come here and have my ear whenever you want to) on this thing ? for all you know you're reliving the neobee nightmare. you remember that ? [13:26]
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wywialm i think it's a good idea, and i know personally people involved, and i needed your comments - how else could i get these? [13:28]
wywialm btw: thank you for kind words [13:28]
mircea_popescu why're these people involved not in the wot for instance ? who are they ? how do you know any word they say is true ? [13:28]
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shinohai neobee provided so many lulz [13:28]
wywialm yes, i remember neobee very well [13:29]
mircea_popescu the way this usually works, and it has worked about 500 times to date with 0 variance, is that scammer gets a coupla sluts and a coupla "credible people" to contact respectable, well meaning folk, launches project. from the perspective of the public the respectable folk form an impenetrable visual barrier. from the perspective of said folk, the coupla sluts and couipla salesmen idem. and a year to a year and a half lat [13:29]
mircea_popescu er scammer runs witrh moey and the entire stack of noobs is left apologizing [13:29]
mircea_popescu !up n6 [13:30]
-assbot- You voiced n6 for 30 minutes. [13:30]
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asciilifeform << lulz [13:30]
assbot Wait, what? TrueCrypt 'decrypted' by FBI to nail doc-stealing sysadmin • The Register ... ( ) [13:30]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform they finally giving up on all the pretense re truecrypt ? win. [13:31]
mircea_popescu i guess all the effort to parallel-construct was no longer worth it seeing how "nobody" really bought it anyway. [13:31]
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wywialm i will of course invite them to WoT - but i know them for a long time irl [13:31]
nubbins` re:neobee, wonder what happened to thickasthieves [13:31]
mircea_popescu wywialm there's know and there's know. not something i can help you with - but know you are in fact taking your fate in your own hands and make the call as to these people in full light of that. [13:32]
shinohai That means little to potential investors though. [13:32]
nubbins` i guess he got his cream and moved on [13:32]
mircea_popescu nubbins` iirc he narrowly survived that, a settlement being involved. [13:32]
nubbins` o! [13:32]
nubbins` he got way too much of a pass in here [13:32]
nubbins` for the amount of shady things he was into [13:32]
n6 Hey mircea_popescu I have been coming around last few days getting a ton of help, but it has all made me feel awful. Last year I really let your ideas down and ended up getting tricked by someone pretending to be a friend of mine. but in the end the basic ideas saved me from going to jail. would you help me work out? [13:32]
mircea_popescu it's a forum, this. really very free passage throughout. [13:32]
mircea_popescu n6 work out ?! [13:33]
nubbins` 8) [13:33]
mircea_popescu like what, aerobics ? [13:33]
n6 Yep [13:33]
mircea_popescu o.O [13:33]
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mircea_popescu what the fuck am i, jane fonda over here. talk to a woman in good shape, they know. [13:33]
n6 Have no gpg key to prove who I am [13:33]
nubbins` ^ bummer [13:34]
wywialm mircea_popescu, i acknowledge this [13:34]
mircea_popescu !rated wywialm [13:34]
assbot You rated user wywialm on 27-Nov-2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: Polish econ guy.. [13:34]
n6 but maybe my story can help others [13:34]
mircea_popescu !rate wywialm 3 Polish econ guy, trying to make work. [13:34]
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nubbins` !s thickasthieves [13:34]
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nubbins` o jeez [13:35]
mircea_popescu !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.wywialm.3:8bbdc73128302d7bd5c78c2e2521b516d2041fa396c65d8d866b13e26f149a02 [13:35]
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nubbins` LEL all those unrates. [13:35]
mircea_popescu wywialm best of luck. there isn't anything glaringly obvious to say else. [13:35]
mircea_popescu n6 so say your story. [13:35]
n6 working on it. [13:35]
wywialm mircea_popescu, i didn't expect this, but i'm thankful [13:35]
mircea_popescu was another guy did something similar, trying to remember [13:35]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 maybe. [13:35]
wywialm actually, there are two more issues i would like to ask you [13:36]
mircea_popescu shoot [13:36]
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n6 Started reading reading trilema about 2.5 years ago, and it was all, I could think about. But my understanding was lacking. so I didnt talk in b-a took it to all my friends, none of them seeme to care. but then one guy cyperpunk sort of guy... we talked about it for about 3/mo then he dropped off the face of the earth [13:36]
wywialm first,is the dual market model - we are utilising auctions on openings and closes. Do you have any thoughts on it? [13:37]
n6 at some point he came back to a chan with just me and him and all he wanted to talk about was your site and doing mpex.. told him at first we didnt know anything we would just lose all our money to error or get robbed. but he kept pushing and I gave in and went to hook up with him in nyc [13:37]
nubbins` you went to hook up with him o.O [13:38]
mircea_popescu wywialm it's not an illegitimate approach. i can't evaluate how practically useful it'll be, but then again that's what you folks are in for right ? [13:38]
mircea_popescu n6 what's your first language ? [13:38]
n6 english [13:38]
n6 just very bad with it. [13:38]
mircea_popescu kk go on. [13:38]
wywialm second, is the stock options mentioned above - would you allow to issue options on S.MPOE, or would you allow creating an MPEx index to issue derivatives on it? [13:39]
n6 we had a longer friendship then 3/mo and he was the one who told me about bitcoin forums (how i found out about mpoe-pr). anyway once I got to nyc, saw we both didnt know anything so pretty much told him I couldnt keep keys and we would lose all our money [13:39]
n6 he still wanted to do it [13:39]
n6 told him he should just do coinbr and leave me out of it [13:39]
n6 said he was ok with losing all his money [13:39]
n6 told him I wouldn't have anything to do with fiat only bitcoin and we would have to move out of the states to do it. [13:39]
mircea_popescu wywialm i'm not required to allow trading of options. for as long as you hold some of the underlying, you can structure its ownership in any way you wish. such as through trading options on it. [13:40]
n6 he was also asking me to rep him in the wot ( told him he had to do that on his own ) [13:40]
mircea_popescu !gettrust n6 [13:41]
assbot Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user n6: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | | [13:41]
n6 I'm not a user [13:41]
n6 no key [13:41]
mircea_popescu n6 how would you help him then ? [13:41]
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wywialm legally - yes, but you would be a stakeholder in some sense, so i'd rather do it with you knowing about it [13:41]
n6 I was wrong. but your ideas saved me [13:41]
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nubbins` i have 5 bucks says MP is getting a woman to read this back to him later [13:42]
n6 I couldn't help him, thought he would do some reading on his own but all he wanted me to do was save posts for him to read. [13:42]
n6 yep [13:42]
n6 more then 5 [13:42]
nubbins` your friend sounds like a chump [13:42]
n6 even showed me how to save a post on my desktop.... into a pdf [13:42]
nubbins` no offense [13:43]
n6 he isnt my friend he was someone pretending to be [13:43]
mircea_popescu nubbins` you lose. [13:43]
nubbins` :/ [13:43]
wywialm anyway, thank you for your comments [13:43]
n6 sorry for how I acted, mind if i come back around? [13:43]
nubbins` n6 when you said "cypherpunk" i stopped caring :P [13:43]
mircea_popescu wywialm well i'm not entirely sure how that'd work, not like i'm against it or anything. but gotta come up with something specific. [13:43]
nubbins` n6 heck, pull up a chair [13:43]
n6 nubbins` for good reason... but he was the only person around my level I could find to talk about this with. [13:43]
mircea_popescu nubbins` i always thought you're like the only cypherpunk here you know. [13:44]
wywialm sure, when technical stuff is ready i will let you know [13:44]
mircea_popescu n6 either i'm slow today or something's amiss. i don't get what exactly you think you did wrong from this story. [13:44]
n6 I didn't interact with my first friend using gpg auth so someoen else just stepped in and was able too.. [13:45]
n6 we had only ever met online [13:45]
mircea_popescu so what, i'm the patron saint of sane ops ? [13:45]
shinohai tl;dr use wot next time [13:45]
n6 yes [13:45]
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mircea_popescu tell you what, wen i was about 10 a girl that really liked me in schooil called me on the phone pretending to be this other girl i really liked, and she tricked me into meeting at the movies. [13:46]
mircea_popescu i didnmt think to ask for a gpg sig. bought her an icecream and we even kissed! [13:46]
mircea_popescu will you ever forgive me ? [13:46]
mircea_popescu (yes, back when i was 10 kids went to the cinema on their own. fancy that.) [13:46]
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mircea_popescu (even got a discount) [13:46]
n6 Yes, do you forgive me for being an idiot and trying to fuck up what your building with derping around? [13:46]
wywialm ah, in case you, the assetteers, are interested - Quedex is running beta testing combined with trading challenge. Participation is greatly welcomed as well as any feedback [13:47]
mircea_popescu i srsly don't see a problem n6. relax an; enjoy. [13:47]
wywialm more info at [13:47]
assbot Quedex Bitcoin Derivatives Exchange ... ( ) [13:47]
mircea_popescu wywialm you gonna introduce eulora copper derivatives ? :D [13:48]
mircea_popescu The sum of Bitcoin prizes in the challenge is 3.14159265 BTC. hahaha [13:48]
mircea_popescu "how do we do this, we don't have a lot of money to spend on it" "just pick a significant number, that's how mp always does it. people will think hey, it's metasyntactic!" [13:49]
n6 mircea_popescu: I'm still working on getting the callgraph working but seem to have lost my lsub file, on my gentoo install and need to build it on os x and move it over to my gentoo distro. think you could help me with that? [13:49]
assbot [OPEN] Callgraph for therealbitcoin, in SVG format. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [13:49]
wywialm that is just beta :) [13:49]
n6 seems a shame to come all this way and not finish the job. [13:49]
mircea_popescu n6 notrly, i'm not much of a systems guy. [13:49]
n6 mircea_popescu: didn't you teach some kids how to use gentoo with RagnarDanneskjol ? [13:50]
mircea_popescu mno. just recommended him to give them something to do hopefully less retarded than what they were doing at the time. [13:51]
mircea_popescu (hostile messages won't be awarded points) << lol how da fuck do you police that. [13:51]
wywialm in case we notice :) [13:52]
n6 mircea_popescu: any ideas for how I might get back a lsub? [13:52]
wywialm the recommendations are moderated, also [13:52]
mircea_popescu i dunno, build it. [13:52]
n6 where do I learn how to do that? [13:53]
n6 Got so much help from everyone in here, that was the only way I could even get the install working. even after reading docs for hours. need similar help here. [13:54]
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mircea_popescu i don't even fucking remember what lsub was [13:56]
mircea_popescu the usb lister thing ? [13:57]
n6 yes [13:58]
assbot Wifi - Gentoo Wiki ... ( ) [13:58]
mircea_popescu isn't that lsusb ? [13:58]
mircea_popescu anyway, writing an article, i'll bbl. [13:58]
n6 I need to compile it here and move it to there [13:58]
n6 ok ttyl thanks for letting me come back. [13:59]
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shinohai !up n6 [14:03]
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n6 thanks shinohai, but not sure anyone is around who can help me, going to do some reading. [14:04]
shinohai what did u need help with lusb? [14:04]
shinohai *lsusb [14:04]
n6 it's missing on my gentoo install and need to install some wifi ethernet is broken. [14:05]
* asciilifeform has nothing against n00bz, but has the distinct feeling of watching primary school pupils banging on the door of a university maths dept for help with arithmetic homework. [14:05]
shinohai Well that sux. I can't be of much help when it comes to gentoo tho :/ [14:06]
asciilifeform schools have grade for a reason? [14:06]
phf i need to reverse a list in lisp - use nreverse - no i need to do it manually! [14:07]
asciilifeform 'here, have a magnetized needle' [14:07]
n6 woudln't know never went to school asciilifeform dropped out in the 7th grade. [14:09]
n6 and before that never did any work. [14:09]
n6 seems to have caught up with me in the end. [14:09]
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asciilifeform n6: what did you do with the time you won ? [14:09]
* asciilifeform has several colleagues who didn't finish school, they put the time to good use [14:09]
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n6 I played video games and read selectively [14:10]
asciilifeform what's it mean to 'read selectively' ? [14:12]
n6 It means I didn't read to learn just read for enjoyment or until something got hard and gave up. [14:14]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform the first one's always instructive. [14:15]
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mircea_popescu very simple math in my head, "is this one doing a better job at X than the last/best one we saw to date". obviously in empty lines this is trivial. also perhaps not for everyone. [14:16]
n6 mircea_popescu: how does someone go about learning Romanian? [14:18]
shinohai <<< That's the answer! Give up when it gets hard! [14:19]
assbot Logged on 08-08-2015 17:15:00; n6: It means I didn't read to learn just read for enjoyment or until something got hard and gave up. [14:19]
shinohai I've been doing it all wrong. [14:19]
mircea_popescu n6 same way you learn any language - find a native girlfriend. [14:19]
n6 never had a girlfriend. [14:19]
shinohai n6: [14:20]
assbot Free classifieds - ... ( ) [14:20]
mircea_popescu how old are you n6 ? [14:21]
n6 26 [14:21]
shinohai Christ on a stick [14:21]
mircea_popescu you're missing out. [14:21]
n6 was a recluse for 12~ years [14:21]
mircea_popescu who paid the bills ? [14:21]
n6 my mommy [14:21]
n6 and the govorment [14:22]
phf most romanian girls i've met on the east coast were doing work exchange at beach towns. they are very friendly and talkative because americans seemed to be scared of approaching them [14:22]
* shinohai not sure if trolling .... [14:22]
mircea_popescu phf gotta appreciate they grew up in a sane culture. you know, malecentric rapeworld of doom-evil thing. [14:23]
mircea_popescu so the world as reflected in their eyes doesn't actually suck the way it does for usian born and bred. [14:23]
phf i sometimes forget how it us outside of here [14:24]
mircea_popescu i don't think it's got a decade into it left anyway [14:24]
mircea_popescu the us way is after all easier. [14:24]
n6 shinohai: i'm not trolling [14:25]
phf mircea_popescu: you mean sane culture has a decade left to it? i've noticed the whole rapeworld thing happening to russian girls [14:26]
asciilifeform [14:26]
assbot Logged on 28-05-2015 03:27:41; asciilifeform: generally these folks have better sense than to come here. [14:26]
mircea_popescu phf "rapeworld". just because english tards use words doesn't mean much. [14:26]
phf i hope so, because the whole thing is toxic and oppressive [14:29]
mircea_popescu i think we'd greatly benefit from defining things here, i'm getting confused. [14:29]
mircea_popescu so, i see three things. 1) the actual rape culture as seen in "women are cattle" vory outlook on life and derivatives ; 2) the so-called "rape culture" wherein male dominance is generally recognised as natural within some bounds ; 3) the libertard nonsense, a recent reimplementation of the ancient socialist "great leaps forward". [14:31]
mircea_popescu i was comparing 2 and 3. were you thinking of 1 ? [14:31]
phf no, 2 and 3. i was saying that 3 is toxic and oppressive [14:32]
mircea_popescu oh i c. [14:32]
mircea_popescu i dunno, it's really just meaningless. [14:32]
mircea_popescu toxic, i suppose, if one's bolted down. [14:32]
mircea_popescu like the nut tree's toxic. [14:32]
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phf well, you're not experiencing it directly, and it seems palpable here, in the real world. like i went to a beach a few weeks ago in americatown (ocean city, md) and the vibes are just nasty. sluggish girls with stooped shoulders avoiding any sort of eye contact or making nasty faces at you if you linger on them too long [14:34]
mircea_popescu so you say "hey, something bothering you" ? [14:35]
phf i thought maybe it's from too much internet, but no, there was a group of girls that acted like normal human beings, coy and playful and active. turned out they were slovenian [14:36]
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asciilifeform ^ absolute iron SOP in usa [14:36]
nubbins` <+mircea_popescu> nubbins` i always thought you're like the only cypherpunk here you know. <<< wat [14:37]
mircea_popescu nubbins` srsly ? downshifting, hanging out with obscure bands and whatnoit making posters all day. whjat else ? [14:38]
scoopbot_revived The Structured Conversation [14:38]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu et al: phuctor reactor refueling now ! [14:38]
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mircea_popescu phf it's funny to me, as a purely unconvinced observer of "culture" as a feeding epiphenomena, to notice just how fundamentally workable the whole species is. does it want a war ? it'll fucking fix the demographics and get it, and you can write any book you want - it'll help! [14:39]
nubbins` you make cypherpunks sound like slummed-out ne'er-do-wells [14:39]
nubbins` oh wait ;p [14:39]
mircea_popescu nubbins` did i leave out the psychoactives or somewhing ? whence the protest ? :D [14:39]
nubbins` :D [14:40]
mircea_popescu "guy with a pgp key and a bmezine archive" = cypherpunk [14:40]
chetty i thought maybe it's from too much internet, but no,/usa girls are taught that all men are nasty pervs and must be avoided, and even those who dont buy it must behave like that in groups [14:40]
mircea_popescu what was your definition. [14:40]
nubbins` heh. [14:40]
nubbins` i actually went back to browse the BME community website thing [14:40]
nubbins` sad :/ [14:40]
mircea_popescu chetty the mindboggling thing is that they'd buy it. [14:40]
mircea_popescu since when do adolescent women listen to anyone., [14:40]
nubbins` since they encountered enough nasty pervs to realize? [14:40]
chetty they listen to their peers, or at least behave as they do [14:41]
mircea_popescu nubbins` these actually exist ? [14:42]
mircea_popescu they seem more akin to the counterfeit "collabolators" of soviet era. [14:42]
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ben_vulpes phf: running and logging the CS install [14:47]
ben_vulpes ^ absolute iron SOP in usa << i do not get this attitude of yourn [14:48]
phf cool thanks! [14:48]
ben_vulpes i have a wife, wear a ring, and dates are *still* very easy to procure [14:49]
ben_vulpes do you boys not /smile/ or something? [14:49]
phf ben_vulpes: i wasn't talking about "dates" [14:50]
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mircea_popescu maybe the east coast sucks this bad [14:51]
phf ben_vulpes: also beach in san diego was a lot more pleasant overall then the one in ocean city md, so it must be east coast thing [14:52]
* asciilifeform was brain-melted when visiting the distant lands where gurlz look like people, in apr. '14 and '15 [14:52]
asciilifeform << see also. [14:53]
assbot Logged on 22-04-2015 02:23:24; ascii_lander: in usa perhaps 1 in 10 20-30y.o. females has the face of a human being, rather than a malignant motorized plastic doll [14:53]
ben_vulpes i think this whole routine of ascii's boils down to "the east coast sucks and more so in direct proportion to DC proximity" [14:54]
phf ben_vulpes: besides you're an american, let the expats bitch and moan :) [14:54]
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asciilifeform ben_vulpes: nyc didn't look detectably different to naked eye [14:55]
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ben_vulpes you don't see much of a difference between nyc and the md burbs? [14:55]
asciilifeform not in the phenomenon discussed earlier [14:55]
ben_vulpes or is this just the girlfaces [14:55]
asciilifeform aha [14:55]
ben_vulpes i am mystified i tell you [14:56]
ben_vulpes coracle's caught up to 209425 [14:56]
ben_vulpes slurping dregs from dulap [14:56]
*hanboti* o helloh [14:57]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: might wanna switch to zoolag for a spell, if too slow [14:57]
asciilifeform dulap is getting reactor rods swapped [14:57]
ben_vulpes what and wait for bitcoin to shut down? [14:57]
ben_vulpes noty. [14:57]
ben_vulpes plus, i have all century. [14:58]
asciilifeform lel [14:58]
* ben_vulpes shuts down bitcoind, sets reminder for self, wanders off to make coffee, dismisses reminder ('no way its's shut down yet'), forgetst to restart [14:58]
ben_vulpes been down this road too many times now. [14:58]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: y'know it's ok to kill -9 it ~AFTER~ it lets go of db [14:59]
ben_vulpes what's the logline that indicates its let go of the db? [14:59]
asciilifeform lsof [14:59]
* ben_vulpes emerges more things [15:02]
ben_vulpes nifty, asciilifeform [15:03]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: never seen it before ? [15:04]
ben_vulpes no sir [15:05]
* nubbins` claps [15:05]
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chetty usa girls are taught that all men are nasty pervs and must be avoided// on consideration not so sure they are wrong either [15:10]
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* nubbins` gestures [15:12]
nubbins` bbl making cat posters ;p [15:12]
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ben_vulpes ;;later tell phf [15:20]
gribble The operation succeeded. [15:20]
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ben_vulpes there he is [15:21]
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phf got your log [15:22]
ben_vulpes i've not looked at it yet [15:22]
phf chetty: doesn't make for pleasant living [15:23]
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phf ben_vulpes: mm, it looks like your install is picking up some extra packages that i don't have and haven't tested. specifically it's failing trying to build bullet related plugins. [15:30]
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trinque mod6 | The whole 'we need to get to a sane environment -- let's use Gentoo' idea was pre-dated the rotor. Now I just gotta get rotor to work for me :] << for sure; my current efforts are directed at the problem of n00bs showing up, asking for a gentleman's computer, and getting five hundred contradictory answers on how to set it up [15:32]
phf i think that might be fixable using something like --disable-* or --without-*, i'll take a look at it in a bit [15:32]
ben_vulpes phf: possible holdover from macports? [15:33]
phf oh that makes things even more interesting :p [15:34]
phf ben_vulpes: do you have bullet installed in homebrew? brew list|grep bullet [15:35]
ben_vulpes well except i don't think i ever did [15:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31050 @ 0.00061884 = 19.215 BTC [+] [15:35]
ben_vulpes myeah, let me rip that out and run it again [15:35]
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phf yeah cs's configure takes --without-* param, so i'll harden the script too [15:37]
ben_vulpes installing again without bullet present [15:37]
ben_vulpes hopefully [15:37]
phf i think i found another issue, that's present on my system too. seems like cs requires openal, but i don't have it in dependencies (nor do i have it installed). not sure if it just went past the issue on my install or what [15:39]
ben_vulpes does your eulora boot? [15:45]
phf yes [15:45]
ben_vulpes lucky guy [15:46]
ben_vulpes i'll get there i'm sure [15:46]
phf i did three builds so far, one was manual toothpicks and gum, the other one was generated using a shell script, but that was just unmanageable, so i'll figured i'll try homebrew scripts, which is the most promising so far [15:47]
ben_vulpes set -e, write functions? [15:49]
ben_vulpes i can't do shell scripts without those two things. [15:49]
phf ben_vulpes: yes, of course [15:49]
ben_vulpes anyways, off for a spell [15:49]
ben_vulpes you'd think those things would be an 'of course', wouldn't you [15:50]
phf i was also trying to build gcc&co with the same script, which is where i drew the line. but if it's not self contained and i have to rely on homebrew anyway, might as well make it all modern and dwim [15:51]
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phf ben_vulpes: i updated cs to not build untested plugins, so if you do brew update.. [15:56]
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chetty phf> chetty: doesn't make for pleasant living/perhaps not pleasant, just real [16:30]
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mircea_popescu what's a "perv" [16:31]
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mircea_popescu i suppose anyone not aiming to get them pregnant's perverse by the general definition. this also includes the girls in question. [16:31]
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chetty well what is and isnt a 'perv' is a pretty personal definition. Some might go with the pregnant call but not many, imo. [16:33]
mircea_popescu still, the word has to have a shared meaning [16:34]
mircea_popescu what's this personal thing ? can't have personally defined words. [16:34]
chetty well lets make it easy then, most of the 'men' in this channel would seem to qualify under common understanding of the word. [16:35]
mircea_popescu which is ? [16:36]
mod6 asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes: rotor built successfully. [16:37]
mircea_popescu yay [16:37]
ben_vulpes woo [16:37]
danielpbarron i think it's perverted to "preserve the innocence" of kids like how parents spell out "bad" words and avoid answering questions of a sexual nature and whatnot [16:39]
mircea_popescu certainly a frank approach of any matter is a more respectable thing to do than any alternative. [16:40]
chetty which is ?// consider the general attitude of women mostly only fit to be cows or slaves ... [16:40]
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mircea_popescu chetty that's far from general is it. [16:41]
chetty nah, its general enough, this channel is just more honest about it [16:41]
mircea_popescu most people are in fact cows and would greatly benefit from making the step up to slavery, but afaik i'm pretty much the only one with that view. [16:41]
chetty nah, its just most couch it more politely [16:42]
mod6 trinque: would you be opposed to resubmitting your patch for the rotor to the ML as a attachment with a detached sig? I have a list of concise steps that is basically a simple script to do all of the steps to build rotor/static-deterministic-stator just need to get that piece into place. that's the only manual step at this point. [16:42]
mod6 If not, I can do it for you. Just let me know what works, or if you need help. [16:42]
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mod6 anyway, no rush. [17:02]
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ben_vulpes ;;later tell phf updated cs log bundle for you [17:33]
gribble The operation succeeded. [17:33]
ben_vulpes still no dice [17:33]
ben_vulpes ran brew update, got new recipe, still no dice on cs [17:33]
ben_vulpes 90% of what i do around here is compiling other people's software [17:33]
ben_vulpes then saying "hurr durr dun werk" [17:34]
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asciilifeform << optimist [17:38]
assbot Logged on 08-08-2015 19:42:03; mircea_popescu: most people are in fact cows and would greatly benefit from making the step up to slavery, but afaik i'm pretty much the only one with that view. [17:38]
kakobrekla on which? people being cows? cows benefiting? cows taking up slavery? [17:39]
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mircea_popescu compound views! [17:49]
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jurov i'd say alf was ironic [17:57]
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asciilifeform no. [18:02]
mircea_popescu << "no to racism, yes to welcome." [18:13]
assbot ... ( ) [18:13]
mats this is gruesome [18:14]
assbot Terrible: Vendors Saw A Giant Whale Shark Into Pieces While It's Still Alive! (*Warning* Graphic) | New Video ... ( ) [18:14]
mats TIL this is a thing [18:15]
assbot over 18? ... ( ) [18:15]
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shinohai Holy shit I feel like a bzillionaire now. [18:20]
fluffypony [18:22]
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ag3nt_zer0 << and this is, imnsho, a huge part of why the whole sick scene has arrived at this terminally irresolvable level... because cowards. and why? pussy! haha... stuck in revolving door [18:31]
assbot Logged on 08-08-2015 19:42:46; chetty: nah, its just most couch it more politely [18:31]
hanbot i want to make sure i'm reading ml patching guide correctly: any/all patches desired must be 'applied' --before-- compile of reference implementation, yes? [18:32]
shinohai correct hanbot [18:33]
funkenstein_ mats, thankfully my eyes saved by no flash player [18:33]
funkenstein_ re: yes to welcome, i can't tell if she is african or arab [18:34]
shinohai ;;gettrust fluffypony [18:34]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask fluffypony!~fluffypon@unaffiliated/fluffypony. Trust relationship from user shinohai to user fluffypony: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Sat Apr 6 08:20:32 2013 [18:34]
ben_vulpes mats: "vendors"? [18:40]
mircea_popescu [18:40]
assbot Britain forced to let deported illegal immigrant family BACK IN | UK | News | Daily Express ... ( ) [18:40]
mircea_popescu pretty lulzy [18:40]
shinohai No different here in the good 'ol USA. We have illegals all over the South. It gives the conservatives no end of angst. [18:43]
* shinohai which is fine by me. [18:43]
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ag3nt_zer0 [18:44]
assbot Jonathan Bowden-'Lilith before Eve' - YouTube ... ( ) [18:44]
funkenstein_ how dare those people breathe air without having proper socialist papers [18:46]
shinohai Immigrants: [18:46]
assbot ... ( ) [18:46]
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mircea_popescu there is a fundamental problem in proposing taxes be used for welfare, and then going around and redefining citizenship [18:46]
* assbot gives voice to punkman [18:47]
mircea_popescu seems dubious whoever paid the $$$ in question was all too thrilled about it being used to prop up the fortunes of even his own countrymen, [18:47]
mircea_popescu but random people... i dun see it. [18:47]
shinohai I feel lucky that the $$$ I paid in pays for my pension as is. [18:47]
funkenstein_ i can understand not giving somebody soup at the soup line, but walking across a border seems ok to me [18:48]
punkman "In June, 15,254 migrants and refugees arrived on Lesbos, according to the Greek Coast Guard, compared with 921 the same month last year." << island has around 80k people, dunno how it's not overrun yet [18:48]
shinohai "No soup for you!" [18:48]
funkenstein_ punkman, lol.. with that name I also can't understand how it's not overrun :) [18:49]
mats ben_vulpes: opportunists, eh [18:49]
trinque when you're talking about borders on the scale of a continent, talking about "illegal immigration" is yes, stupid [18:49]
mircea_popescu punkman the other sad fact of the matter is that africa is simply collapsing. [18:49]
trinque an unsolvable problme [18:49]
mircea_popescu derps prefer not to talk about this, but outside of chinese sponsored enclaves and whatever few others here and there, subsaharan africa is going to be a slightly larger yellowstone park in a decade or two. [18:50]
trinque "you can't enter this city without being in a resident's WoT" << sounds fine to me [18:50]
shinohai Anyone that has a realbitcoin node running that can try something for me this evening please PM [18:50]
mats fish are friends, not food [18:50]
fluffypony lol mats [18:50]
punkman "About 60 percent of the arrivals are from Syria. The next largest group, making up about 20 percent, are Afghans. But there are also arrivals from Somalia, Congo, Eritrea and Pakistan, among others." [18:51]
mats funkenstein_: plays as mp4 over here [18:52]
ag3nt_zer0 [18:52]
assbot Most Illegal Immigrant Families Collect Welfare - Judicial Watch ... ( ) [18:52]
ag3nt_zer0 anchor babies [18:52]
mircea_popescu i don't see how they wouldn't, practically. a drink's five bux in a bar, their monthly budget back home. what exactly would they do, not like they have any skills of any value [18:52]
mircea_popescu heck, most europeans don't. [18:53]
shinohai So pay them to gtfo [18:53]
ag3nt_zer0 well yeah but it is still something to consider [18:54]
mircea_popescu the only way you pay someone to gtfo is with machine gun fire. [18:55]
mircea_popescu money pays to stay not to go. [18:55]
ag3nt_zer0 there are plenty of bums who drink and it isnt at the bars [18:55]
mircea_popescu ag3nt_zer0 the immigrant isn't starting any multinational corporation with his 500 saved up pula, is the point. [18:56]
ag3nt_zer0 most people in america have just been infantilized into retardation and dont have the will to see clearly without internalized guilt frameworks sabotaging them at every turn [18:58]
trinque [18:59]
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ag3nt_zer0 and they will kill you if you point that out.. with their mommy superpowers [18:59]
trinque try illegally immigrating to that city... [18:59]
ag3nt_zer0 hey trinque whats up man [19:00]
trinque good afternoon [19:00]
mircea_popescu trinque wasn;t a closed city afaik [19:00]
trinque mircea_popescu: ah, well maybe we could make some improvements [19:00]
mircea_popescu ... [19:00]
shinohai ;;later tell mod6 funkenstein_ confirmed that the bug is only on my end, and not in bitcoind [19:00]
gribble The operation succeeded. [19:00]
trinque I mean surely merchants are allowed in [19:00]
trinque my thought is simply that you should be vouched for by someone in a place before you're permitted entry [19:00]
trinque you know, such as here. [19:00]
mircea_popescu the golden crescent didn't have the "rights" approach to things. [19:01]
mircea_popescu you took your life in your hands. if some guy with more men and a whip felt like it... you were meat. [19:01]
mircea_popescu so best go there with guards. [19:01]
mircea_popescu but on this premise, sure, go wherever. [19:01]
ag3nt_zer0 well up until the early 70s in america we were mostly taking white immigrants who simply assimilate easier and are more aligned with the extant culture... Teddy Kennedy changed all that [19:02]
trinque my point's simply that talking about immigration at the nation-state scale is an absurdly large, unsolvable problem [19:02]
mircea_popescu kinda the internal combustion engine changed all that. [19:03]
trinque mircea_popescu: I see your point; if you have power, you're safe wherever you like [19:03]
mircea_popescu once you can move that fast, "immigration" is a weird concept. [19:03]
mircea_popescu trinque sorta like the lion sees it. are yo uan illegal immigrant in the savannah ? well... it all depends. how good's your roar ? [19:04]
trinque haha [19:04]
ag3nt_zer0 i want a nigger teleporter [19:04]
mircea_popescu in other news, [19:04]
assbot ... ( ) [19:04]
funkenstein_ well i guess we have illegal plants and illegal numbers.. why not illegal people? [19:05]
ag3nt_zer0 and not just to set on deport [19:05]
hanbot re ml: where are sha256sums for, eg, (patch)? [19:09]
assbot [BTC-dev] Removal of DNS Seed Mechanism. ... ( ) [19:09]
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ag3nt_zer0 mircea_popescu: oddly enough, this opposite of this argument is used by the left to prop up amnesty and all these things... that that's exactly what they are doing... bringing great contribution... and, someone has to pick my vegetables Im told... [19:09]
ag3nt_zer0 did anyone watch that GOP debate? [19:10]
mircea_popescu was it the first and biggest ? [19:10]
trinque I suffered through part of it; in general though, the outcome should by now be largely irrelevant to you. [19:10]
ag3nt_zer0 yeah i guess it is [19:11]
ag3nt_zer0 but just nice to see someone there on their own dime for a chnage [19:11]
trinque Trump's just froth on the top of the last real estate bubble [19:11]
ag3nt_zer0 sure but its his money in his pocket [19:12]
trinque I'm not going to deny that the man has made some money, but neither he nor anyone else has any ideas. [19:13]
ag3nt_zer0 maybe i am getting stupid, but I find it refreshing [19:13]
ag3nt_zer0 it lifts a bit of the fog of conformity [19:14]
trinque this is a man who hosted reality tv, rememeber [19:14]
ag3nt_zer0 yeah sure [19:14]
trinque *remember [19:14]
ag3nt_zer0 but he did it for the money [19:14]
ag3nt_zer0 i assume [19:14]
trinque far from being someone who can see the "big issues" with america, he benefited from all the worst of them [19:16]
trinque I don't expect anything good to come of him except a bitching monster truck rally sponsored by Brawndo [19:16]
ag3nt_zer0 haha [19:16]
ag3nt_zer0 could be right [19:16]
ag3nt_zer0 it must be a sign of how low we've sink that I would consider that an upgrade [19:17]
trinque indeed. [19:17]
ag3nt_zer0 so i got this meetup notice that there are some etherium frontier launch parties this weekend here in the Gay Area... one is a dress-up rainbows and unicorns party... [19:20]
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shinohai ag3nt_zer0: etherium launch parties. srsly ? [19:26]
shinohai Of course they picked gay areas. [19:26]
ag3nt_zer0 haha yeah... frontier launch i guess its called [19:28]
ag3nt_zer0 lols [19:28]
assbot Caitlyn Jenner Struggles Wearing a Swimsuit - I Am Cait NEW Video - YouTube ... ( ) [19:28]
ag3nt_zer0 sorry for the trash haha [19:28]
ag3nt_zer0 can't help it [19:28]
ag3nt_zer0 its like a sore tooth as bill hicks said [19:29]
ag3nt_zer0 cant stop touching it [19:29]
ag3nt_zer0 remember this one? classic... [19:32]
assbot Bill Hicks - El Rock es la música del diablo - YouTube ... ( ) [19:32]
shinohai I'd get dirty w/ Caitlyn for 5 BTC [19:32]
shinohai ^ put dat shit on BitBet [19:32]
ag3nt_zer0 haha [19:33]
cazalla ag3nt_zer0, how much make up to they want to cake onto that thing? [19:35]
cazalla do* [19:35]
cazalla i am sure you will be keen to see this movie too ag3nt_zer0 !! [19:37]
ag3nt_zer0 he learned from the best i think [19:37]
assbot See Elle Fanning as a Trans Teenager in the About Ray Trailer - YouTube ... ( ) [19:37]
ag3nt_zer0 haha thx [19:37]
funkenstein_ ag3nt_zer0, Bill Hicks +1 thx, i skip the others ;) [19:38]
ag3nt_zer0 cazalla: man... [19:38]
ag3nt_zer0 funkenstein: tragic loss man... that's the "left" i used to love [19:39]
ag3nt_zer0 i wonder what he would have to say about the left today... [19:39]
trinque he wasn't left [19:39]
trinque he just took a lot of drugs [19:40]
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ag3nt_zer0 well by his own admission he was [19:40]
shinohai funkenstein_: I will rate you for your help earlier, your feedback helped me fix this shit. [19:40]
ag3nt_zer0 but i often think he might have had a naivety about the political spectrum [19:40]
trinque struck me as someone mistrusting big govt [19:41]
funkenstein_ shinohai, many thanks, and happy to help :D [19:41]
trinque but otherwise I don't remember a specific mention of his political beliefs, aside from seeing it all as bullshit [19:41]
shinohai It was goddamned stupidity and paranoia on my part. [19:42]
funkenstein_ oh? some secret routing table? [19:43]
ag3nt_zer0 trinque: [19:43]
assbot bill hicks ripping bush - YouTube ... ( ) [19:43]
shinohai Nope, files. Those little files appended with ~ [19:43]
ag3nt_zer0 here is where i remember that from [19:43]
ag3nt_zer0 its contextual but I think he considered himself on "that side" if any side [19:44]
ag3nt_zer0 these days I am certain he wouldnt [19:44]
trinque ag3nt_zer0: sure, hating bush isn't being a leftist [19:45]
ag3nt_zer0 trinque: yeah I think he was just mistrustful of gvmt power in general [19:45]
trinque he said it, but yeah [19:45]
trinque that's just binary thinking [19:45]
ag3nt_zer0 well thats what i meant about the political naivity [19:45]
ag3nt_zer0 its strange [19:45]
trinque agreed [19:45]
trinque consider his audience [19:45]
ag3nt_zer0 fueled by psychedelics [19:45]
ag3nt_zer0 it is not uncommon for folks to end up on the left [19:45]
ag3nt_zer0 something about the jesus would have been a socialist shit [19:47]
trinque I've done piles of psychedelics [19:47]
trinque I think that's just hippy nonsense [19:47]
trinque never after a trip was I moved to join hands and sing [19:48]
ag3nt_zer0 well maybe its the music scene and the civil rights and the 60s and that whole ball of wax... that when people wake up on those substances, if they follow the "cultural [19:48]
ag3nt_zer0 thread, they are led back to those "movements" [19:48]
trinque that's what I mean about binary thinking. [19:48]
trinque somebody takes a strong chemical, realizes that they've mindlessly followed this or that [19:49]
trinque so in their ignorance, they stick a minus sign in front of what they believed last and call it a revelation [19:49]
ag3nt_zer0 yeah thats why I just got so disgusted with that side of things and those types of people [19:49]
trinque see: me listening to "satanic" metal at 14 [19:49]
funkenstein_ [19:50]
assbot subgenius_big.jpg Photo by sisdecadence | Photobucket ... ( ) [19:50]
ag3nt_zer0 because for me the message was poignant and had a virile, solar, maculine type of force to it... just as much as it had the feminine nurturing aspects... [19:50]
ag3nt_zer0 funkenstein: hehe that old bag... RAW and co... fun stuff [19:52]
ag3nt_zer0 remember prometheus rising? [19:52]
funkenstein_ i don' t think so? [19:53]
ag3nt_zer0 i did that damn "visualize a quarter" experiment for a couple weeks and whne i finally found one, it was glued to the pavement [19:53]
funkenstein_ you recommend it? [19:53]
ag3nt_zer0 which was not one of the proposed outcomes... which was perfect for the message [19:53]
ag3nt_zer0 hmmmm [19:54]
ag3nt_zer0 i usd to [19:54]
ag3nt_zer0 depends on where someone is [19:54]
ag3nt_zer0 now when i read some of that stuff it seems only good for a certain stage [19:54]
funkenstein_ i enjoy some trash scifi from time to time [19:54]
ag3nt_zer0 yeah sure give it ago [19:54]
ag3nt_zer0 hmmmm [19:54]
ag3nt_zer0 well if you want fantasy/scifi [19:55]
trinque visualize a quarter? [19:55]
ag3nt_zer0 from raw go with the illuminatis chronicles [19:55]
funkenstein_ i didn't know robert anton wilson had something to do with the subgenius [19:55]
ag3nt_zer0 [19:55]
assbot The Historical Illuminatus Chronicles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) [19:55]
ag3nt_zer0 the earth will shake... the first one... i had a great time reading [19:56]
ag3nt_zer0 2nd, ok, 3rd, meh [19:56]
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ag3nt_zer0 funkenstein: yeah maybe i am mistaken but i recall that he penned the principia discordia [19:57]
ag3nt_zer0 or was somehow affiliated with that whole scene [19:57]
trinque forgive me, but I see a lot of this stuff as a sort of post-christian wankfest [19:58]
ag3nt_zer0 prometheus rising is described as an operaters manual for the human brain and is a syncretism of learys 8 circuit brain model , korzybski's langugae theories, quantum gobbldygook, and other brain change shit [19:59]
funkenstein_ "Rev. Ivan Stang originally planned on suing the authors for plagiarizing content from the Book of the SubGenius, but then realized that Principia Discordia had been written several decades earlier and that the Book of the SubGenius had technically plagiarized Principia Discordia" [19:59]
shinohai @ trinque anything post-christian is ok wid me [19:59]
trinque I am particuarly skeptical of simple models of consciousness [20:00]
funkenstein_ trinque, ones that fit in head? [20:00]
trinque heh, yes [20:00]
shinohai We live in a simulation. I suspect mircea_popescu is funding it. [20:00]
shinohai *kek* [20:01]
ag3nt_zer0 ok gonna go hack my monkey at the piano... good afternoon [20:02]
trinque later [20:03]
funkenstein_ cheers [20:03]
trinque funkenstein_: yes, how could you have a complete model of the thing inside itself? [20:03]
trinque sure I could say in some particular context you could model an aspect of my behavior [20:03]
trinque you can reach different conclusions here, I think [20:05]
trinque the one that makes sense to me is that having an identity is distinct from saying you have a model of your own consciousness [20:06]
trinque whereas I hear people try to link the two all the time [20:06]
funkenstein_ interesting, consciousness as identity. does every thread have a label? [20:07]
trinque explain the question? [20:08]
funkenstein_ making the analogy to silicon computer terminology, processes have labels - identities if you will [20:09]
trinque ah [20:10]
trinque at least in my case, certainly not [20:10]
trinque it would seem that human beings have much more going on mentally than they're aware [20:11]
mod6 <+hanbot> re ml: where are sha256sums for, eg, (patch)? << Hi, in the case of that patch email, the SHA1 sum is embedded in the file name. For example: asciilifeform_dnsseed_snipsnip_192f7bc7c14c1d31c7b417c9cd77be51c4d255f2.patch -- if you were to download this patch, you could then run `sha1sum asciilifeform_dnsseed_snipsnip_192f7bc7c14c1d31c7b417c9cd77be51c4d255f2.patch` and it should [20:12]
assbot [BTC-dev] Removal of DNS Seed Mechanism. ... ( ) [20:12]
funkenstein_ it is interesting how studying computer science gives insights into our own heads [20:12]
mod6 If that's what you mean. So in this case, SHA1 instead of SHA256, unless that's not what you were referring to. [20:12]
mod6 funkenstein_ confirmed that the bug is only on my end, and not in bitcoind << ok thanks for the update [20:13]
trinque funkenstein_: makes sense to me that this would be useful for a brain [20:13]
trinque you go along absorbing knowledge, but don't always have time for conscious thought to intervene before action is taken [20:14]
funkenstein_ absolutely. trinque have you read the carlos castenada series? some great vocabulary introduced to discuss consciousness [20:15]
cazalla <<< mobile phones mang, it's not just you + her on the beach but you + 1000 beta faggots who follow her twitter/facebook/instagram + her on the beach [20:16]
assbot Logged on 08-08-2015 17:34:56; phf: well, you're not experiencing it directly, and it seems palpable here, in the real world. like i went to a beach a few weeks ago in americatown (ocean city, md) and the vibes are just nasty. sluggish girls with stooped shoulders avoiding any sort of eye contact or making nasty faces at you if you linger on them too long [20:16]
trinque funkenstein_: I have; entertaining, though yet again, I question any claims around having a system for consciousness [20:16]
funkenstein_ one does not need a full manual to learn to tweek a few nobs I hope? :D [20:17]
trinque sure, his notion of 'seeing' for example [20:17]
trinque same thing a guy's trying to accomplish in zazen [20:17]
trinque or whipping himself with rope, or whatever [20:18]
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trinque which is a level of discipline over one's focus [20:18]
funkenstein_ 1st attention, 2nd attention.. shift the assembly point [20:19]
funkenstein_ zazen is new to me [20:19]
trinque the art of sitting... uncomfortably [20:20]
funkenstein_ lol [20:21]
funkenstein_ off for now laters -- [20:21]
cazalla <<< harden the fuck up, people gotta eat ya know! [20:23]
assbot Logged on 08-08-2015 21:14:44; mats: this is gruesome [20:23]
cazalla how does one humanely kill a whale anyway? it's already outta the water, just get it over and done with and saw that baby up [20:25]
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trinque thing was probably dead pretty quick from blood loss after being sawed in half [20:26]
trinque and probably already not doing great due to lack of oxygen [20:27]
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shinohai cazalla: you sneak up behind it and give it whale tranquilizer and whisper "Shh .. It'll all be over soon." [20:27]
trinque [20:28]
assbot Cruel Nature: Lions eating their prey while it is still alive! - YouTube ... ( ) [20:28]
trinque I'd rather get sawed in half [20:29]
cazalla this is probably the best/worst one i've seen [20:30]
assbot Pregnant wildebeest attacked by two hyenas! Real Wildlife! - YouTube ... ( ) [20:30]
trinque see? abortion is natural [20:31]
shinohai LOLZ [20:31]
mats I've never had shark before [20:31]
trinque damn that's gnarly [20:31]
mats bet it's delicious with soy sauce and ginger [20:31]
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ben_vulpes well thats what i meant about the political naivity naivte, you mean [20:52]
ben_vulpes funkenstein_: yes, how could you have a complete model of the thing inside itself? << "to simulate a universe, you must have a universe" [20:55]
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cazalla Ethereum down -74.25 % today, much investment! [20:59]
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ben_vulpes ;;later tell wywialm how does the gpg system integrate with the browser application? [21:04]
gribble The operation succeeded. [21:04]
ben_vulpes users derp their keys into localstorage? [21:04]
ben_vulpes asks users to sign blobs? [21:04]
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ag3nt_zer0 ben_vulpes yes naiveté thanks ... i'll have to tell you my spelling bee story later heh [22:07]
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phf ben_vulpes: so it looks from the log like it's still picking up bullet from somewhere. i updated the repo, so now there's an explicit --without-bullet in the script, if you do brew update and rerun. i tested it by installing bullet and then doing a cs build [22:19]
phf come to think of it i should probably test that it fails without the flag but with bullet present. i'll spin that up now.. [22:20]
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phf ben_vulpes: wait, can you please check your log bundle. i'm getting diff identical folders from the first one i get and the updated one [22:25]
ben_vulpes myessir [22:26]
ben_vulpes 33ff9cc085cfca6fa92443a0a17ef3dd7fe54765b6886b936d8955446f85a63e85298f79cd189345ebb54622084c5c414b68aba260e61c1ef22abebd8ed3ca82 << 512 of the recent logs [22:28]
ben_vulpes phf: [22:28]
ben_vulpes which does *not* match the one currently on my site. [22:29]
phf aye [22:29]
ben_vulpes aha, yes, i know precisely how i hosed this [22:29]
ben_vulpes updated! [22:29]
ben_vulpes achtung, spielr [22:30]
ben_vulpes spieler* [22:30]
phf ben_vulpes: it's missing cs-debug.log [22:30]
ben_vulpes ofc it is [22:34]
ben_vulpes try again, apologies, thank you [22:35]
ben_vulpes << what is a BTCiii ? [22:40]
assbot BitBet (S.BBET) July 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [22:40]
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phf ok, bunch of annoyances, but all look like 1 point issues. [22:53]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00061367 = 8.0391 BTC [+] {5} [23:18]
asciilifeform meanwhile, [23:32]
asciilifeform al schwartz woke up [23:32]
asciilifeform fella checks his mail once a month.. [23:33]
* TomServo (~tservo@unaffiliated/tomservo) has joined #bitcoin-assets [23:41]
asciilifeform << congrats mod6 ! [23:41]
assbot Logged on 08-08-2015 19:37:33; mod6: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes: rotor built successfully. [23:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31300 @ 0.00059519 = 18.6294 BTC [-] {3} [23:42]
asciilifeform << this is still sop. nobody cancelled it any more than anyone cancelled gravity. [23:42]
assbot Logged on 08-08-2015 22:01:36; mircea_popescu: you took your life in your hands. if some guy with more men and a whip felt like it... you were meat. [23:42]
asciilifeform << archaeological lulz [23:51]
assbot Death And Pizza: How Domino's Lost Its Mascot | Co.Design | business + design ... ( ) [23:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.00059226 = 17.4124 BTC [-] {5} [23:57]
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