Forum logs for 09 Aug 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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scoopbot_revived An Ivy League degree wasn't always a Louis Vuitton purse. [00:10]
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pete_dushenski ;;later tell mod6 << test2 logs for ya [00:12]
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pete_dushenski ^on debian 7 [00:13]
pete_dushenski looks like zlib problems [00:13]
pete_dushenski but i'm not a doctor. [00:14]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: what the hell did you build, and on what [00:14]
asciilifeform 1) therealbitcoin does not use zlib 2) therealbitcoin does not use dl* [00:15]
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pete_dushenski well that's interesting [00:15]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: post your makefile plz [00:15]
asciilifeform and your buildscript [00:15]
pete_dushenski seriously all i did was install os and follow steps outlined in [00:16]
assbot [BTC-dev] UPDATE: v0.5.4-TEST2 Pre-patched Test Bundle : Testers Needed! ... ( ) [00:16]
phf ag3nt_zer0: raw didn't pen principia, that's just a persistent misconception, in FACT it was revealed to trinque in its complete form by the divine mother HERSELF (hail eris!) during some of his particularly strong ACID trips (10 strip, they said it was weak, so he took 6, damn, man, i'm seeing things ain't even come up yet), at which point he traveled back in TIME to spread the good word to the honest people of california. this and much mo [00:16]
phf re was explained in grant morrison's INVISIBLES series. get your facts, straight son, straight from the source. fnord. [00:16]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: i wrote rotor for a reason [00:18]
asciilifeform the reason being that this is a waste of life [00:18]
asciilifeform yes, i could sit down and debug this [00:18]
asciilifeform but seven other people will come and each one will bring seven idiocies from his local os [00:18]
asciilifeform and each of those will need seven workarounds to be forced with red hot irons to behave in FUCKING STANDARD WAY [00:19]
asciilifeform rotor differs in that it is enough for you to find ~one~ box where it can be made to go [00:20]
asciilifeform and use that binary for the rest of your life if you like. [00:20]
asciilifeform i STILL don't understand why just about everybody insists on building stator. [00:20]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: i know you wrote rotor for a reason, of this there is little doubt, but believe it or not, your instructions aren't dumbed down enough for me [00:21]
pete_dushenski they're not far off, mind [00:21]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: if you're up to it, try building, i'll walk you through it while i'm awake [00:22]
pete_dushenski ok, lemme reinstall os and start fresh [00:23]
asciilifeform no need to reinstall os [00:23]
asciilifeform pick just about any linux box [00:23]
asciilifeform and go from there [00:23]
pete_dushenski oh ok [00:23]
asciilifeform if you can get a bash prompt, you oughta get a working build. [00:23]
asciilifeform start the recipe and prod me when you hit a stumble. [00:23]
pete_dushenski k [00:24]
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mod6 hi pete_dushenski [00:30]
mod6 Let me dig something up for you here quick. [00:30]
mod6 [00:32]
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asciilifeform apt-get install -y libboost-python-dev [00:33]
asciilifeform apt-get install -y libbz2-dev [00:33]
asciilifeform apt-get install -y zlib1g-dev [00:33]
asciilifeform ^ for fucks sake [00:33]
asciilifeform why? [00:33]
asciilifeform neither stator nor rotor needs these! [00:33]
mod6 Right, should be trying to bulid the Rotor, really. [00:33]
asciilifeform stator doesn't need them either ! [00:34]
asciilifeform if your stator did not build before but builds after running the above, IT IS NOT STATIC !!! [00:34]
mod6 However, I have seen that on Ubuntu & Debian if you build boost without libboost-python-dev boost will complain -- it will still compile, but it'll complain. it complains less with the python errors if it has that and the libbost-python-dev dependentcies installed. [00:35]
asciilifeform ^ you are using CRUD FROM OUTSIDE THE STATIC BALL [00:35]
asciilifeform defeating the very purpose of stator. [00:35]
asciilifeform introducing local turdlets over which you have no meaningful control. [00:35]
mod6 er [00:35]
mod6 yeah. [00:35]
mod6 im mis remembering that from v0.5.3.1 [00:36]
asciilifeform why even bother then. [00:36]
mod6 pete_dushenski: don't bother with the testing for TEST2 (or anyone else), just work for now on building rotor. [00:36]
pete_dushenski okilee dokilee :) [00:37]
mod6 I appreciate you trying to build it. [00:37]
asciilifeform i also appreciated. how else would we have learned that i am the last one alive with a sane linux install, for instance. [00:37]
pete_dushenski [00:38]
assbot Okily Dokily - Simpsons You Only Move Twice - YouTube ... ( ) [00:38]
mod6 I can not wait until we get past all of this. [00:40]
pete_dushenski hehe i'm having fun ! [00:41]
pete_dushenski being a lab rat isn't world's worst job after all [00:41]
pete_dushenski every day a new maze, then... cheese ! [00:42]
* asciilifeform still wonders what that 'cheese' thing would smell like [00:42]
ag3nt_zer0 phf: hahaha was that really in the INVISIBLES? [00:43]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: napalm perhaps. [00:43]
ag3nt_zer0 shit about wilson and all that? [00:43]
mod6 asciilifeform: so, what my goal is, short term, is to produce a bundle that (similar to TEST2) is patched up through -verifyall that we can drop into the rotor, and use that for testing next. [00:43]
asciilifeform mod6: i think you already have this ? [00:44]
asciilifeform (rotor takes a stator) [00:44]
ag3nt_zer0 I never looked at that comic... I saw Morrison speak and thought he was weird haha [00:44]
mod6 yeah. but your bundle doesn't have the right directory structure, and doesn't really have a patching trail or anything. [00:44]
asciilifeform my rotor bundle doesn't come with a stator at all [00:44]
asciilifeform it has to be supplied by the operator [00:45]
mod6 so i don't wanna seem like im replicating work; just trying to clean it up a bit. [00:45]
ag3nt_zer0 i mean I get the whole thing he was on about but he was seemd stragley excited haha [00:45]
mod6 right [00:45]
mod6 it has to be downloaded seperately. thats fine. i did this today. [00:45]
mod6 was thinking that next I'll work on a patched bundle up through -verify all with rotor. and then work ourselves up to a place where we feel comfortable. [00:46]
pete_dushenski bbiab [00:46]
mod6 do you think we should even bother with block dump/eat, -verify all? [00:46]
asciilifeform mod6: i regard them as useful [00:46]
mod6 (in a "release") [00:46]
asciilifeform mod6: esp. for standing up nodes [00:47]
asciilifeform but also for debugging wedge states [00:47]
asciilifeform and generally. [00:47]
mod6 so it wouldnt be a waste of my time to proceed in that direction? [00:47]
asciilifeform also it is possible to hash a blockchain using dumpblock [00:47]
asciilifeform (see ml for example of me doing so for a chain loaded from mircea_popescu) [00:47]
mod6 yup, i recall. [00:47]
asciilifeform not a waste by any means. [00:47]
ag3nt_zer0 phf: still lolzing haha thx fnord! fucking california haha [00:48]
asciilifeform i personally regard these as important knobs and their absence from the original bitcoin as an atrocity [00:48]
mod6 ok. that's my next basic goal. build a patched bundle up through verify-all with rotor. [00:48]
mod6 once we have that, and a new patch from trinque, i can complete my script and have a rotor that builds these test bundles with x86-64 [00:48]
mod6 make sense? [00:49]
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asciilifeform aha [00:49]
mod6 :] [00:49]
mod6 was nice to see rotor build cleanly today btw. [00:49]
asciilifeform didja have to use trinque's patch ? [00:50]
mod6 yeah [00:50]
asciilifeform oughta be part of the official ball then [00:50]
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mod6 was a gentoo/glibc environement -- compiled buildroot with the musl settings. didn't change anything to the "rotor" steps execept for adding the change to BDB configure options in trinque's message. [00:51]
mod6 yah, I left him a note to re-send a patch with a detached sig to the ML. can help or do it for him if required, etc. [00:51]
mod6 no giant rush tho. [00:51]
phf ag3nt_zer0: inivisibles is like a popcorn pulp version of pkd, illuminatus and magick. it's a fun read when you're 24, but definitely worth a read through if you're into that sort of stuff [00:52]
ag3nt_zer0 it's no secret that california shares a magickal connection based on the law of correspondences to the Hindu goddess of destruction and the final age of dissolution, Kali... nor is it coincidence that the sun sets on the western world in KaliforniCaitlynJender - Bernardino porno bender blender [00:53]
ag3nt_zer0 phf: i dunno; after he said he wrote his own reality and as he was writing the things he was writing were coming true I figured the comic couldnt be better than that... [00:56]
phf i only vaguely remember that talk, because i listened to it under the influence, and at some point i was convinced that i could perform magical rituals, and the only thing keeping me from fundamentally affecting reality was years of societal conditioning that i could at the time overcome. i think i was also at some point convinced that bush was a great grandson of aliester crowley by way of pauline pierce, and that he's going to bring about [01:00]
phf the appocalypse. the details are a bit hazy [01:00]
phf *that i could not [01:02]
ag3nt_zer0 yeah... you ever look into the jack parsons/crowley/hubbard threesome? [01:03]
ag3nt_zer0 pretty weird considering what hubbard went on to do [01:03]
ag3nt_zer0 in Kali haha [01:03]
phf i'm sure hubbard just lifted whatever he could from his time at the agape lodge [01:04]
phf parsons is quite a character, there's a nice writeup about him and the whole crowley/hubbard connection in "apocalypse culture" [01:06]
phf though i'm not sure how much i want to put to public record on this subject. i made some interesting friends when i moved to this country, unfortunately this whole culture seemed to have died out. even when i was enjoying it, it was mostly archival work [01:10]
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hanbot !up n6 [01:36]
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hanbot n6: get in the wot, don't pester people via pm, and forget about any braindamaged notions of "lobbying MP" you've cooked up for yourself. [01:36]
mircea_popescu !up onlooker [01:44]
-assbot- You voiced onlooker for 30 minutes. [01:44]
mircea_popescu ohai [01:44]
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asciilifeform << l0l [01:46]
mircea_popescu trinque actually trump has been rich for a while. [01:46]
onlooker hi there, would you like to share your thoughts on copyright? I've only come across your writings today and found them most entertaining. [01:47]
mircea_popescu iirc lost it all in a dubious las vegas casinos transaction with fucking merv griffin. [01:47]
mircea_popescu onlooker it's complicated. [01:47]
trinque mircea_popescu: one thing occured to me this evening re: trump. he's telling the other people running to their faces that he's bought and paid for all of them in the past. [01:48]
trinque I love that. [01:48]
trinque mod6: putting that email together [01:48]
n6 hanbot: sorry I lost my key(Not a person), still trying to fix my lsub issue on gentoo before I make a new one. [01:48]
onlooker lol, well thats no surprise, governments specialize in making simple things complicated [01:48]
mircea_popescu it's not really true. man's no rockerfeller. son of a middling queens landlord is all. [01:48]
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asciilifeform i don't see how it 'is complicated' at all. folks who wanna be paid when i copy a number, get a raging hardon for the state (tm) (r) when it makes noises of promise to make it happen [01:50]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform ever been privy to something on the understanding you won't be sharing it ? [01:51]
asciilifeform sure [01:51]
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mircea_popescu do you propose to do away with the POSSIBLITY of that understanding ? [01:51]
asciilifeform nah. just object to this kind of thing happening in a consumer setting [01:51]
mircea_popescu yeah, well, then... it's complicated. [01:51]
asciilifeform where the negotiating leverage on one side of the table is nil [01:52]
mircea_popescu as usual, consumers have no business in any of the places they stuff themselve.s [01:52]
onlooker I don't think copyright is the same thing as keeping a secret, if you keep a secret and you keep it well then you don't need copyright [01:52]
hanbot n6 alright, so then make that your top priority. [01:52]
asciilifeform when i buy a piece of shit from a street merchant i ain't taking no oath. [01:52]
asciilifeform he wants oath, can fuck himself [01:52]
mircea_popescu that's between you two. [01:52]
mircea_popescu so then... [01:52]
asciilifeform 'click-through oath!!!' [01:53]
onlooker if you fail to keep a secret they you have two choices, you can blame yourself for not keeping it well, or you can blame me and try to enforce copyright [01:53]
mircea_popescu don't be coming to me to relieve you of oaths you took on the theory that you shouldn't have and if you were a better man you wouldn't have. [01:53]
asciilifeform except i didn't [01:53]
mircea_popescu then i don't need to have an oppinion on it. [01:54]
n6 hanbot: thanks I will get on that right now. [01:54]
asciilifeform well somebody mentioned 'copyright' [01:54]
asciilifeform which as i understand is the perverse concept that somebody gets to bang on my door and demand gold for copying a number [01:54]
mircea_popescu << jesus definitely was a socialist. something something all people something. [01:54]
assbot Logged on 08-08-2015 22:47:43; ag3nt_zer0: something about the jesus would have been a socialist shit [01:54]
onlooker mircea popescu, you don't need to have an opinion about the color of you shit either lol... [01:55]
mircea_popescu there's a trilema article about that, actually. [01:55]
asciilifeform 'tis one thing if i was given a secret, swore an other. entirely other thing when i find a number scribbled on the sidewalk and decide to scribble it elsewhere [01:55]
asciilifeform *an oath [01:55]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform supposedly it wasn't on the sidewalk. [01:56]
asciilifeform ? [01:56]
n6 trinque, asciilifeform: Would you be able to point me to a place where I can learn how to build lsub on my mac then put it on a usb drive and move it to gentoo so I can get wireless working and make a key? [01:56]
mircea_popescu consider the controlling case, as i opposed it to diametric s question back in the day. so quentin tarantino comes in here all upsed about you copying his latest movie. what do i say, "fuck off qt, if you made a movie you didn'ty make that movie" ? [01:56]
asciilifeform n6: nope [01:56]
mircea_popescu i ain't saying that. [01:57]
trinque n6: I'm making a script that puts gentoo on a stick, or any block device really [01:57]
trinque not done yet, let ya know [01:57]
trinque mod6: sent [01:57]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i'd say ~yes~. 'find a revenue model that doesn't rely on armed thugs breaking down my door for copying a fucking number, and i never signed any contracts with this fella' [01:57]
mircea_popescu still his movie. [01:57]
asciilifeform he can beg on the streets if he wants. [01:57]
mircea_popescu he'll probably go to syria and smuggle arms. [01:58]
asciilifeform good. [01:58]
asciilifeform syria needs arms. [01:58]
mircea_popescu so you're gonna pick careers for tarantino now ? [01:58]
mircea_popescu awful lot of work. [01:58]
asciilifeform he can do honest work, like this, instead of trying to monkey with my bits. [01:58]
mircea_popescu i thought we were aiming to avoid makework. [01:58]
asciilifeform (yes, the bits are ~mine~, they are on my disk) [01:58]
asciilifeform keeping fella's hands out of my arse != 'choosing careers for' [01:59]
mircea_popescu (ftr, the arms smuggle thing did happen. almost quite to syria. for 10 points, name the famous french poet who did this in his teens) [01:59]
asciilifeform french? [02:00]
onlooker I asked if you had an opinion, from the perspective of someone who seems intelligent and uses bigger words than me. I appreciate you taking the time to reply at all, I don't mind if you have no opinion, just I hoped you would see copyright as the elitists use to tell poor people they are not allowed to think [02:00]
asciilifeform 'cause my first thought was byron [02:00]
n6 trinque: how would that help me? can I build it from the source already on the pc? [02:00]
mircea_popescu yeah. [02:00]
mircea_popescu nah, byron was a poseur. [02:00]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: unrelated, when did anyone suddenly open a kindergarten in here ? [02:00]
asciilifeform i must've missed it [02:00]
onlooker *as something the elitests use..." [02:00]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i think it always was half that. [02:01]
mircea_popescu onlooker i'm quite famously elitist. [02:01]
asciilifeform n6: since nobody else is standing up to do it, i will tell you the bad news: it appears that you are not yet ready for a source-based linux system [02:01]
asciilifeform n6: you will have to think and study on your own for a while. [02:02]
asciilifeform n6: trying to get hand-fed through this gnarly and unpleasant process will be frustrating both to you and to others [02:02]
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mircea_popescu doesn't seem he knows how this self study thing works, hm ? [02:03]
n6 asciilifeform: Yes I understand that and its awful to read for everyone else. sorry [02:03]
n6 mircea_popescu: how can you self study if you don't even know what to look for? [02:03]
mircea_popescu ikr? [02:03]
asciilifeform n6: please consider reading kernighan and pike's 'the unix programming environment' [02:03]
asciilifeform just to get a feel of what it is like [02:03]
asciilifeform write, build some simple programs [02:04]
mircea_popescu << it might be that you don't know what an experiment actually is. [02:04]
assbot Logged on 08-08-2015 22:53:48; ag3nt_zer0: i did that damn "visualize a quarter" experiment for a couple weeks and whne i finally found one, it was glued to the pavement [02:04]
n6 asciilifeform: Ok [02:04]
asciilifeform (this is a thin book, 1980s, inexpensive) [02:04]
mircea_popescu but it's not just a "hey, something to try out" [02:04]
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onlooker mircea popescu, yes, but you appear to be of the more logical bent than the standard elitist. Take for example your claim the paying for good things is how we get good things, this may be logical, but in fact the way the world currently works stealing good things has proven to be far more effective, Bankers are elitist too, would you put yourself in the same category as them? [02:04]
phf rimbaud naturally [02:04]
mircea_popescu onlooker i am de facto a banker, but i doubt the term has any substantial meaning to you past "those meanie assholes that make the house i want cost more than i can afford". [02:05]
mircea_popescu phf win. [02:05]
mircea_popescu the argument re stealing is actually ancient. it was articulated by the pillars of roman thought, of all people. [02:05]
mircea_popescu nevertheless... not as simple as all that. [02:06]
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mircea_popescu jesus wtf happened to this log. [02:08]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i'm getting flashbacks now of my number theory lecture, where we had that gurl [02:08]
asciilifeform BUT PROF HOW DO YOU DO IT [02:08]
asciilifeform << that one [02:08]
assbot Logged on 19-07-2014 03:17:34; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if i didn't know any better, i'd imagine we went to uni together. we had 'the same' chick! she bedeviled our number theory prof with at least a hundred very boneheaded questions every lecture. he seethed, boiled, but couldn't throw her out. why? 'registered special needs.' (going for math degree!) she even got unlimited time on exams. [02:08]
mircea_popescu eh, i just had the peanut chicken you perhaps remember, and then went for the nude entertainment thing. hard to bother me for a while. [02:09]
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asciilifeform and mircea_popescu has a much thicker pedagogic skin to begin with, i dare say [02:10]
asciilifeform like rhinoceros [02:10]
mircea_popescu i'll tell you waht it is. i get to sometimes beat the everliving shit out of the students. [02:11]
mircea_popescu it soothes a psyche an' brings balance. [02:11]
mod6 trinque: thanks! [02:11]
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mircea_popescu << this is actually a great fucking point. buncha immature twerps acting out their life like they're in some sort of movie. [02:13]
assbot Logged on 08-08-2015 23:16:19; cazalla: <<< mobile phones mang, it's not just you + her on the beach but you + 1000 beta faggots who follow her twitter/facebook/instagram + her on the beach [02:13]
onlooker mircea popescu, exactly and I wouldn't put you in the same category either despite your claim that you are a defacto banker. Anyway, I won't pay for your work, despite admiring your lovely way with language. I just feel that the one thing you miss is that you are not the only one able to come up with genius. Did one person invent the light globe? Copyright seems to say yes, but then the history of the victors is nothing new [02:13]
mircea_popescu in this view the nsa spying is more a required public service, like emergency health care. [02:13]
mircea_popescu onlooker copyright does not refer to inventions. [02:13]
onlooker at least Bitcoin is giving a larger voice to some [02:14]
asciilifeform wai wut ?! [02:14]
* asciilifeform perhaps lacks the lsd to follow this thread [02:14]
mircea_popescu which of the i dunno, three or so [02:14]
asciilifeform the 'bitcoin gives voice' [02:15]
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mircea_popescu lol irony [02:15]
mircea_popescu !up onlooker [02:15]
-assbot- You voiced onlooker for 30 minutes. [02:15]
* assbot gives voice to onlooker [02:15]
mircea_popescu well, it gives voice to someone somewhere i'm sure. [02:15]
asciilifeform the 'gurl with 1000 beta' is pretty clear, though it is a case of '1,2,3,infinity' [02:15]
mircea_popescu so it is. [02:15]
asciilifeform consider a circa-1990s email box [02:15]
asciilifeform it is a thing that barely exists outside of the chore of shoveling spamola [02:16]
asciilifeform ('98, let's say specifically) [02:16]
mod6 trinque: sig verifies & patch applies cleanly. thx again. [02:16]
trinque np [02:16]
onlooker mircea, if you are distinguishing between copyright and patents it seems a petty distinction to me. I put them in the same category, both intend to punish people for copying thoughts and ideas [02:16]
mircea_popescu when did knuth give it up, 86 ? [02:17]
asciilifeform '89 iirc but not related to spam [02:17]
asciilifeform just to the chore of interacting with people [02:17]
mircea_popescu onlooker one attaches to form, the other attaches to concept. this is a fundamental distinction in any case. see the earlier thread re lost 1800 tech know-how, and the russian z80s. [02:17]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you perceive a difference there ? [02:18]
onlooker askiilifeform, perhaps I should say math is giving voice to the poor, because it doesn't distinguish my data from yours [02:18]
mircea_popescu o.O [02:18]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: between the chore of shoveling '98 spam and the chore of answering mail from other maths folks ? [02:19]
asciilifeform yes, difference. (though i appreciate knuth's choice) [02:19]
mircea_popescu what is it ? lower bar for one group ? [02:19]
asciilifeform one is people and the other is cockroaches [02:19]
asciilifeform both 'kingdom animalia', sure [02:20]
mircea_popescu mebbe not to knuth. but anyway [02:20]
mircea_popescu << i had it as sushi. kinda sour. [02:20]
assbot Logged on 08-08-2015 23:32:08; mats: bet it's delicious with soy sauce and ginger [02:20]
onlooker it only distinguishes correct data from incorrect [02:21]
asciilifeform onlooker: 'math' as this mythological 'sword in the stone' that 'anyone!!!111!!' can just pick up and use, is unfortunately a fiction [02:21]
mircea_popescu onlooker how are the poor getting correct data iyo ? [02:21]
asciilifeform ^ [02:21]
mircea_popescu especially with no copyright. they just get cut out of the loop entirely. [02:22]
mircea_popescu me and five people will see the cannes films and poor people can watch reruns of "best ads of superbowl" over at denny's. [02:22]
asciilifeform onlooker: consider, for instance, the predicament of somebody trying to correctly implement plain old rsa algo. [02:23]
asciilifeform if you think that you can do it from a textbook, think again. [02:23]
mircea_popescu to everyone's benefit, this, of course. but anyway. [02:23]
asciilifeform and rsa is ~much~ simpler than, e.g., bitcoin. [02:23]
asciilifeform yet virtually anyone who has ever done it, had to saw open six different existing incarnations and study [02:23]
mircea_popescu what textbooks ? there are no textbooks because why sell shit for 10 dollars [02:24]
asciilifeform and ~still~ had even chances of blowing own head off [02:24]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'textbooks' in this case being - once you reject the outright drivel and pediwikia printouts - dour and very terse, encyclopaedic overview of the basic maths, typically [02:25]
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mircea_popescu which strictly exists because of the whole IP convention. [02:25]
onlooker I have a son, he's 9 months old, I have to change his nappy, he doesn't respect math, time, copyright or patent. He's poor. My nephew is 12, he has no money of his own, but he has a computer, mines his own coins, and although they are not worth much, he's able to participate, He can't participate in Banking, he's not even allowed to use his own account [02:25]
asciilifeform onlooker: 'participate' ?!!! [02:26]
asciilifeform what, precisely, is ^that^ good for ?! [02:26]
mircea_popescu apropos of nothing : [02:26]
assbot Rotherham child sexual exploitation scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) [02:26]
asciilifeform onlooker: there's a fella who's been sitting in front of the u.s. 'white house' since 1982. [02:26]
asciilifeform he is 'participating' in politics ? [02:27]
onlooker who are the vast majority of the poor? well, I would argue that those under 15 in the USSA have the biggest skin in the economic game despite being currently mostly excluded from it lol... Crypto could/may change that [02:27]
asciilifeform pray tell, how [02:27]
mircea_popescu turns out a bunch of pakis trafficked white girls as young as 12 by the thousands, for the reason of being white. which was concealed by the brits. [02:27]
mircea_popescu onlooker under 15 what, yo ?! [02:28]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: could've sworn this was in the logz [02:28]
mircea_popescu if it was i missed it. but really, 20 years, 1-2k girls, this broadly speaking is on par with the results of the serbs. [02:29]
asciilifeform except that it was done by the darlings of the lizards [02:29]
onlooker mircea popescu, ask yourself this, would bitcoin work without copyright, if the answer is yes, then it's not a requirement for ideas to be shared while keeping an ownership record [02:29]
asciilifeform 'what, my dog ate your baby? fuck your baby' [02:29]
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asciilifeform << this is doomed to come back at any rate. i.e. how mozart et al played. [02:30]
assbot Logged on 09-08-2015 05:23:00; mircea_popescu: me and five people will see the cannes films and poor people can watch reruns of "best ads of superbowl" over at denny's. [02:30]
mircea_popescu onlooker understand something : you got no leg into the world of ideas. i'm simply not sharing. copyright is there to give you a (slight) chance, nothing else. [02:30]
asciilifeform for all i know, this happened already long ago [02:30]
asciilifeform and mircea_popescu and the 4 other mircea_popescus are watching the good shit, while from my perch it looks like the entire western culture went poof [02:31]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform earlier at restaurant i gestured for whatever small thing, girl ran off to do, whole tableful of idiotic argentine she-derps sat agape. [02:32]
mircea_popescu the unfuckable jersey wearing 30something set, too. [02:32]
mircea_popescu and i didn't even charge them for the copyright. [02:33]
asciilifeform surprised they paid attention! [02:33]
onlooker let me try another angle, would bitcoin work if it wasn't copyrighted? And if the answer is yes, does it follow that this means we can share ideas while keeping a record of who owns what without requiring this antiquated legal system? [02:33]
mircea_popescu prolly won't happen again. [02:33]
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asciilifeform i can sit in a restaurant in dc with pet and loudly consider 'let's bring back hitler and make him 300 metres tall and feed him prime jew rib' and no one notices [02:33]
mircea_popescu onlooker i don't think the antiquated legal system being retained was at any point contemplated. [02:33]
mircea_popescu there's articles about this on trilema, you'll get to them in due time. [02:33]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform words do not speak as loudly as actions! [02:34]
asciilifeform the sensory bubbles in which u.s. folk walk around in at public places are astonishingly fine [02:34]
onlooker so you don't think copyright, patent's or the legal system are antiquated? [02:34]
trinque read the logs, guy. [02:34]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: thing is, you gotta contend with the fact that to many folks, 'copyright' ~means~ britney and microshit [02:35]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform mayhap you have the upper hand with that yeah [02:35]
asciilifeform we aren't getting mozart for the bargain, no [02:35]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, i know where he's coming from. but what do you want me to say. [02:35]
asciilifeform if it were mozart - i would see the other perspective, yes [02:35]
mircea_popescu the horse's still not slow just because all these donkeys [02:35]
asciilifeform never seen the horse with own eyes, and don't expect to live to. [02:36]
* mircea_popescu remembers in horror the one and only boston symphonic orchestra session he went to [02:36]
asciilifeform what was wrong with it? [02:37]
mircea_popescu fucking twerps. [02:37]
mircea_popescu they played some modern shit. fucking insult to civilisation. [02:37]
asciilifeform american symphonics are on par with the rest of third world [02:37]
asciilifeform ugh [02:37]
asciilifeform i'll have you know that at my university they play (on symphonic orchestra, yes!).... 'super mario.' [02:37]
asciilifeform (and other related) [02:37]
asciilifeform obligatory: [02:40]
asciilifeform [02:40]
onlooker I just feel that if we actually shared ideas instead of hiding them from one another the world would be a smarter place. I realise the thinking required to get from here to there is a gargantuan leap [02:40]
assbot Futurama - Classical Music - YouTube ... ( ) [02:40]
asciilifeform onlooker: [02:41]
asciilifeform onlooker: yearz of ideaz, 100% gratis [02:41]
asciilifeform your local university library, too [02:41]
asciilifeform or did you have something else in mind. [02:42]
onlooker ah, they are old idea lol... they are a good start no doubt, but it's not really my point. Anyway I don't expect the world to see things as I do, if everyone agreed with me I'd be worried anyway lol [02:44]
asciilifeform onlooker: i for one would like to know what you had in mind [02:44]
asciilifeform i.e. what sort of ideas do you suppose are hidden from you by copyrasty [02:44]
mats lol [02:45]
mircea_popescu onlooker you're missing the part where i'm not sharing ideas with you. because who are you. [02:45]
mircea_popescu without copyrights, intellectual ghetto is a certainty. [02:45]
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asciilifeform !up onlooker [02:45]
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mircea_popescu with copyrights, intellectual ghetto is merely an unfortunate side effect. [02:45]
asciilifeform intellectual ghetto cuts both ways. [02:46]
mircea_popescu so they say. [02:46]
asciilifeform (see the adelberger thread) [02:46]
onlooker asciilifeform thanks for asking, I guess a lot of the ideas I'm interested in homeopathic and medical stuff. There's a lot of "cures" out there, and so much of it is behind paywalls. I don't really have a plan for how to change it, I just expect it change for the same reason I expect the money to end. [02:47]
mircea_popescu in any case, there's no rescuing the poor (and it's a morally dubious proposition to even try). let instead those of the poor that are there undeservedly claw their way out. over many generations of belaboured effort, ideally. [02:48]
* asciilifeform head-desks [02:48]
phf ^ [02:48]
mats wat, homeopathic medicine [02:49]
mircea_popescu wait. someone seriously imagines they're missing something by not reading random homeopatic tracts ? [02:49]
onlooker because despite excellent job adults have done conditioning young people to be slaves, there are some who just won't submit [02:49]
mircea_popescu when hiring a psychic, always hire the cheapest. [02:49]
mircea_popescu uh. [02:49]
asciilifeform where's that 'sanity dogma' piece by mircea_popescu [02:49]
mircea_popescu how old are you onlooker ? [02:49]
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onlooker mircea popescu they will only be the cheapest if you stop asking lol [02:50]
onlooker old enough to remember when the POTUS was admired as the leader of the free world, and young enough to hope I live to see the last POTUS haha [02:52]
onlooker why do you ask? I'm 40 ish [02:52]
mircea_popescu well because for a moment the slave thing and a previous comment sort-of made it look possible that you were 15 [02:53]
onlooker mircea popescu, "the poor" is arbitrary anyway, I'm not suggested they even need rescuing rather they the playing field will be leveled whether the rich or elites help them or not [02:56]
mircea_popescu << because it was there first and thus was heard of first and thus etc. [02:57]
assbot Logged on 09-08-2015 03:20:47; asciilifeform: i STILL don't understand why just about everybody insists on building stator. [02:57]
mircea_popescu onlooker nah, the pendulum is swinging the other way. the poor had it way better than anyone would have expected, after the ww2 carnage. it is going away, it is perhaps never coming back to this degree. [02:57]
onlooker I wouldn't even try to argue morality, math is the only morality I respect, if you can call it that [02:58]
mircea_popescu expect a millenium of actual slavery for the plebs and not be disappointed by the events. [02:58]
asciilifeform 'enjoy this dildo, but it has some splinters.' 'mmm, good, but oww' 'here's one with no splinters, laquered' '..... ow' [02:58]
mircea_popescu you know what's also fascinating in the same vein asciilifeform ? not everyone's courting the most beautiful girl in town! in a frictionless infospace they would! nevertheless... [02:59]
asciilifeform except that this 'gurl' can be in everyone's bed [02:59]
asciilifeform just for the asking. [03:00]
mircea_popescu like any other. [03:00]
asciilifeform mno. [03:00]
asciilifeform 'any other' only works like this if you're mircea_popescu [03:00]
mircea_popescu you'd be surprised. [03:00]
mircea_popescu lol [03:00]
onlooker I said I had a son, anyway 15 hey, I guess my grammar and smaller vocab could be an excuse to think that [03:01]
mircea_popescu srsly, you need what, 15 minutes of her time tops ? she's got the whole day. [03:01]
mircea_popescu onlooker how did you get the idea homeopathy does something, anyway ? [03:01]
asciilifeform 'srsly, how hard to build reactor! dig some shit out of the ground, rearrange it a bit' [03:01]
mircea_popescu < depends in whose maze. [03:02]
assbot Logged on 09-08-2015 03:41:54; pete_dushenski: being a lab rat isn't world's worst job after all [03:02]
pete_dushenski well, stan's maze then. [03:03]
mircea_popescu < they are useful. [03:03]
assbot Logged on 09-08-2015 03:47:30; mod6: so it wouldnt be a waste of my time to proceed in that direction? [03:03]
onlooker mircea, homeopathy is practiced by a wide variety and includes a vast array of alternative medicine, I'm not suggesting it all works or doesn't. I'm just pointing out that it's difficult to investigate alternative claims when I have to hack around paywalls that I don't respect [03:04]
mircea_popescu i thought homeopathy was that thing where diluting things makes them work. [03:05]
mircea_popescu this idea seems to be borne by your talk of vast arrays ? [03:05]
onlooker mirciea popescu, now your making fun of me lol [03:05]
ben_vulpes just you? [03:06]
onlooker perhaps I should have made it more vague and said "alternative medicine" [03:06]
mircea_popescu i was actually earnest. but anyway, yes, say alternative medicine, get fewer people in wtf state. [03:07]
ben_vulpes ;;later tell mod6 << test2 logs for ya << that's the whole log? [03:08]
assbot ... ( ) [03:08]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: clearly not. just the end parts [03:09]
ben_vulpes re was explained in grant morrison's INVISIBLES series. get your facts, straight son, straight from the source. fnord. << i think there are characters missing from this line but i can't tell [03:09]
ben_vulpes i STILL don't understand why just about everybody insists on building stator. << adoption takes a few weeks, have you seen the android numbers? [03:10]
ben_vulpes unless you're apple and can forcibly cram your changes down the world's throat, you have to wait for the world to catch up to your releases. [03:10]
onlooker Ok so alternative medicine, homeopaths are where generally recognised as doctors prior to the AMA and big pharmas takeover of american medicine. If I'm telling you something you don't know I'll feel special :) [03:11]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: the funny part isn't that folks didn't go straight there, but that 'here is a pill against your headaches from last month+.' '.....' [03:11]
trinque lots of people were wrongly recognized as all kinds of things in the past. [03:11]
trinque onlooker: ^ [03:11]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: and what happened with that db locks patch of yours [03:12]
ben_vulpes those patches [03:12]
mircea_popescu anyway, i suppose this is when we say that the log is both free and good reading and call it a day. [03:12]
ben_vulpes !down onlooker [03:12]
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asciilifeform ben_vulpes: folks who were reading the fucking log, had zero problems. [03:12]
ben_vulpes i'm here for ten minutes [03:12]
ben_vulpes patches and submissions to the ml must stand on their own. [03:12]
mircea_popescu we should be in a syncronised swimming team ben_vulpes [03:12]
ben_vulpes log is not adequate documentation. [03:12]
asciilifeform folks who somehow thought that the ml has meaning outside of #b-a, and happened to show up and read ml in precisely the wrong three minutes - may have scratched their head in frustration [03:13]
asciilifeform and had to patch again, rebuild. [03:13]
ben_vulpes "corrected" with no further context is useless. [03:13]
ben_vulpes USELESS. [03:13]
ben_vulpes why was previous broken? [03:13]
ben_vulpes why is current fixed? [03:13]
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asciilifeform since ben_vulpes is unhappy with this pattern, the next time ~every~ therealbitcoin node grinds to a halt on account of some shitgnomery, i won't be staying up at 3am releasing a patch. [03:14]
asciilifeform will let ben_vulpes do it. [03:14]
ben_vulpes eh relax [03:15]
asciilifeform srsly context was in the log. and the first time anybody asked, i linked to it. [03:15]
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asciilifeform i would dearly love to write a lengthy treatise to the ml on every single occasion [03:16]
asciilifeform but sadly i work in uranium mine and - not so much time, energy. [03:16]
asciilifeform incidentally there is nothing shameful in writing a commentary to another fella's patch [03:16]
ben_vulpes somewhere between s.nsa poems and zilc h in email body is some utility i'm sure [03:17]
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ben_vulpes oh i'm aware, have written at least one taludic entry [03:17]
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ben_vulpes anyways, do you insist on refusing to see the hysteresis in the system? [03:18]
pete_dushenski !up Guest96371 [03:18]
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pete_dushenski hey adam [03:18]
Guest96371 Mr D how goes it? [03:19]
pete_dushenski just cracking away at 'rotor' over here. any you ? [03:19]
phf ben_vulpes: i have fresh formulas for the brew. also i've verified that eulora indeed builds with gcc-4.9 [03:19]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: the point i was trying to get across is that we are nowhere near a point where folks who are not #b-a regulars can really get into the true meat of the matter [03:20]
asciilifeform and pretending otherwise would, imho, be counterproductive [03:20]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: "copy my rotor_buildroot_dot_config to the now-untarred buildroot dir as '.config'" << speaking of which, i seem to be snagged up here. can't find 'rotor_buildroot_dot_config' [03:20]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: it is in the tarball [03:20]
Guest96371 Sounds like fun! Just figured I would tune in and see if anyone had anything interesting to say! [03:20]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: << it [03:21]
assbot ... ( ) [03:21]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: ah k [03:21]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: no arguments there. [03:21]
ben_vulpes but patches *must stand alone* [03:22]
asciilifeform for the eulora folks, i will point out that the toolchain in 'rotor' could just as easily build their thing [03:22]
asciilifeform if there was some reason to. [03:22]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: the patches produced with antecedent marks (see earlier thread) could, hypothetically, stand alone. [03:23]
ben_vulpes don't confuse the issue. [03:23]
asciilifeform one would, if lacking any other guidance, take 'longest chain' [03:23]
pete_dushenski Guest96371: there was some pretty decent conversation earlier today, mostly between asciilifeform and mircea_popescu about chip fabrication and game theory. start here maybe [03:23]
assbot Logged on 08-08-2015 03:27:00; mircea_popescu: << this is only a problem of resource distribution. yes, in a world where for incomprehensible reasons every unit of plancton gets disposable money, you get britney spears and reddit. [03:24]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform interesting how it comes to mining [03:24]
mircea_popescu all things. [03:24]
mircea_popescu all things come home. [03:24]
asciilifeform no shit. [03:25]
asciilifeform 'lead to rome' [03:25]
ben_vulpes aight my ten are up [03:25]
ben_vulpes do forgive my frustrated prodding, asciilifeform. [03:26]
pete_dushenski Guest96371: and if you also feel like giving 'rotor' (static linux and bitcoin build) a crack : [03:26]
assbot [BTC-dev] Rotor! ... ( ) [03:26]
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ben_vulpes bwaha [03:26]
ben_vulpes phf: Error: No such file or directory - getcwd [03:26]
phf heheh [03:27]
ben_vulpes brew install getcwd fails too [03:27]
ben_vulpes wth [03:27]
ben_vulpes everything is broken [03:27]
ben_vulpes i can't compile anyone's code [03:27]
ben_vulpes clearly i don't understand how the world werkz [03:27]
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pete_dushenski bon soir [03:28]
* ben_vulpes to good old fashioned entertainment with girl [03:28]
phf i'm pretty sure once i manage to build eulora on someone else's machine i'm just going to retire from computing altogether [03:28]
Guest96371 Thanks pete_dushenski I'll have a look :) [03:29]
cazalla <<< what is with (i assume) americans and no banking under 18? one of the first things we did at school was open a junior saver account whereby each friday the local banker rep would come by to collect our bank books and our $2 deposit each week, every week, each year without fail [03:30]
assbot Logged on 09-08-2015 05:25:46; onlooker: I have a son, he's 9 months old, I have to change his nappy, he doesn't respect math, time, copyright or patent. He's poor. My nephew is 12, he has no money of his own, but he has a computer, mines his own coins, and although they are not worth much, he's able to participate, He can't participate in Banking, he's not even allowed to use his own account [03:30]
pete_dushenski Guest96371: btw where's your pgp key this fine evening ? y'know you can auth and self-voice with assbot eh [03:30]
Guest96371 I did, but I was just checking in. I'm heading offline now! [03:31]
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pete_dushenski mkay [03:31]
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pete_dushenski asciilifeform: << still tripping up on rotor step 9 [03:48]
assbot ... ( ) [03:49]
pete_dushenski i'm probably doing something hilariously wrong, however. [03:49]
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pete_dushenski ok, turns out i needed 'ncurses'. got that now. [03:58]
cazalla "The deputy chairwoman of the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission, Delia Rickard, said over the past two months there had been a spike in the number of people falling victim to the scam. " "The commission has received 2,500 complaints this year and estimates about $400,000 has been paid to the hackers." fucking australians [03:59]
cazalla eh [03:59]
assbot Ransomware virus: Australians forced to pay as latest encryption virus is 'unbreakable', security expert says - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( ) [03:59]
mircea_popescu so funny that they collect all this data [03:59]
mircea_popescu to have what to pay for. [03:59]
mircea_popescu total cuckold, the govt. [03:59]
pete_dushenski ;;later tell asciilifeform with 'ncurses' installed, i went back to the buildroot dir, tried to 'make' and ended up with 'error 127' [04:02]
gribble The operation succeeded. [04:02]
assbot ... ( ) [04:02]
punkman << copying, as in I downloaded a torrent and watched it? [04:03]
assbot Logged on 09-08-2015 04:57:03; mircea_popescu: consider the controlling case, as i opposed it to diametric s question back in the day. so quentin tarantino comes in here all upsed about you copying his latest movie. what do i say, "fuck off qt, if you made a movie you didn'ty make that movie" ? [04:03]
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pete_dushenski ;;later tell asciilifeform the only other modification i made was choosing 'target architecture : x86_64' in the config menu. [04:06]
gribble The operation succeeded. [04:06]
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punkman pete_dushenski: did you install rsync? [04:17]
pete_dushenski mnope [04:17]
pete_dushenski !s locale [04:21]
assbot 52 results for 'locale' : [04:21]
punkman fukken locales, I hate them [04:21]
pete_dushenski just installed 'unzip' and 'bc', now "You need at least one UTF8 locale to build a toolchain supporting locales " [04:22]
punkman pete_dushenski: perhaps locale-gen will help [04:23]
punkman (or set them manually) [04:24]
pete_dushenski weird, i tried 'locale-gen' and it came back with 'generation complete', then threw the same error when i tried to 'make' again [04:24]
punkman for future testers [04:25]
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pete_dushenski sweet baby moses i set the locales and the thing's off to the races !!!1 [04:38]
pete_dushenski [04:44]
assbot Donald Trump and Jon Stewart aren’t so different after all ... ( ) [04:44]
pete_dushenski "Though the Trump show and the Daily Show both present populist, anti-establishment points of view, their use of entertainment provides a way to actually reinforcere the political and economic power of the establishment that both regularly admonish." [04:45]
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punkman pete_dushenski: consider this "gcc, toolchain, etc. will LOAD FROM THE NET!" since you seem to be running it as root [05:13]
pete_dushenski hm now it's tell me it can't cd to bitcoin/bitcoin/src and i'm running out of steam this evening. [05:16]
pete_dushenski last chunk of logs looks like so : [05:17]
assbot ... ( ) [05:17]
pete_dushenski for whatever use that may be. [05:17]
punkman do you have realpath? [05:17]
pete_dushenski yup [05:17]
punkman jsut making sure :P [05:17]
pete_dushenski reasonable q ! [05:17]
punkman open, look at the filepaths [05:18]
pete_dushenski i'm about as n00bing as they come around here and i still feel like i'm shockingly, wonderfully close to making rotor work [05:18]
punkman just gotta change line 49 "cd bitcoin/bitcoin/src;" to something that works [05:20]
punkman and you can run now [05:20]
punkman although there's that gcc failure on bzip, might be a problem [05:22]
pete_dushenski punkman: what would be 'something that works' for line 49 of ? [05:23]
punkman pete_dushenski: absolute path would probably work [05:23]
punkman (if you use gotta change it there too) [05:27]
pete_dushenski i think this project can wait to be continued tomorrow. [05:28]
pete_dushenski thanks punkman, your help is much appreciated. [05:29]
pete_dushenski g'nite ! [05:29]
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punkman why is it looking for bzip? it's supposed to be toggled by "./bjam toolset=gcc link=static -sNO_BZIP2=1 -sNO_ZLIB=1 -sNO_COMPRESSION=1;" [05:30]
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wywialm hi [07:04]
chetty hola [07:06]
wywialm ben_vulpes, the application is currently a standalone python app, not a web browser app. We are working on a convenient in-browser app that would work with PGP [07:06]
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punkman wywialm: are you planning to use openpgp.js? [07:17]
wywialm considering it, but sane in-browser pgp is not straightforward [07:18]
punkman just say no [07:23]
kakobrekla < lolk [07:25]
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wywialm punkman, is there something that i should be aware of in case of openpgp.js? is it flawed? [07:38]
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punkman wywialm: [07:39]
assbot Logged on 12-01-2015 19:56:48; punkman: PSA: openpgpjs is broken [07:39]
wywialm thanks for the info, could you point to more details? [07:40]
punkman well dunno might appear to be working now, but I've tried validation openpgp.js signatures from 3 people and all failed [07:41]
punkman *validating [07:41]
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shinohai Javascript cryptography is a big no-no anyway [07:43]
wywialm well, this is one of reasons we now have only a desktop app [07:46]
shinohai ;;ticker [07:48]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 264.26, Best ask: 264.27, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 264.26, 24 hour volume: 44712.31461482, 24 hour low: 260.62, 24 hour high: 278.35, 24 hour vwap: None [07:48]
shinohai <<< top kek [07:55]
assbot Ethereum (ETH) price, charts, and info | Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations ... ( ) [07:55]
punkman Available Supply 60,393,161 Total Supply 72,294,645 ETH [07:56]
punkman it's all for sale :P [07:56]
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shinohai If you want to be an Ethereum god, nows yer chance. [08:06]
punkman [08:07]
assbot Bitcoin Investment - Crypto Shares | Banx Capital ... ( ) [08:07]
punkman lulzy [08:07]
kakobrekla (see ceo pic) [08:10]
shinohai lol ... "Your ticket to the moon" [08:10]
assbot Bitcoin Investment - Crypto Shares | Banx Capital ... ( ) [08:10]
assbot Online Profit Partner ... ( ) [08:10]
shinohai Sound like just another MLM scam to me. [08:10]
shinohai Ethereum, now with pyramid schemes: [08:13]
assbot These are the first ever verifiable pyramid schemes with provably known rules! - ... ( ) [08:13]
kakobrekla backed by the govt. [08:13]
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shinohai heh [08:39]
assbot Samourai Bitcoin Wallet ... ( ) [08:39]
shinohai imma request alpha access to see if I can break it. [08:39]
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mircea_popescu chetty : here is your argument, in all its hideous nude glory. and it goes like so : [10:51]
assbot Logged on 09-08-2015 05:26:46; mircea_popescu: apropos of nothing : [10:51]
mircea_popescu some people, for reasons nobody really grasps in spite of trying for millenia (yes, it's a thing since forever) and in spite of having maybe some decent theories, want to fuck twelve year olds. [10:52]
mircea_popescu the white people who want this generally sit around the internet "being cypherpunks" and exchanging... depictions of the act. and often enough being "caught" and "prosecuted", on the very untenable rationale that their engagement in the victimless "crime" of exchanging bits somehow promotes and empowers the actual people doing the actual crime of you know, raping preteens. [10:53]
mircea_popescu we don't really know what the paki people who want this do, chiefly because we don't want to. but if we do : in pakistan, they go right the fuck ahead and rape the lot. and in rotherdam, england, they do the exact same. [10:54]
mircea_popescu this is the whole thing. what'd you tell a guy who wants to rape twelve year olds ? that it's bad ? he did not ask you that. and you can tell him to you know, wait around on social media untill the cute teenie across the street douses herself in gasoline and invites him over. [10:55]
mircea_popescu the alternative, where he texts a chick "hey, we got our sister, we're torturing her, come join" just as the chick in question was giving testimony to the supposed government of the uk - a more illegitimate contrivance never having been known to man, incidentally, they have all the legitimacy to govern kim jong il's favourite dog does. [10:56]
mircea_popescu and she does. SHE DOES. [10:56]
mircea_popescu offered the simple choice of A. stick with the alleged representatives of the schmucks that trade pictures of your rape and jack off in "online anonymity" and joining the raping party, she chooses to join the raping party. [10:56]
mircea_popescu that's the discussion. there is not now, nor was ever, nor will ever be invented a manner, stratagem or device to circumvent activity, or to make the passive on par with the active. [10:57]
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mircea_popescu the entire fancy with western society and emancipation and freedom and have you rests on the reserve, no matter how muted, that "it's either this or we rape you". it needs to sit there like the nuclear option needs to sit on the table, for once it goes away, twelve fucking year olds choose, of their own fucking free will, to join the pakis for an all night / all weekend / all the years to come anal stretching, caned bu [11:03]
mircea_popescu ttocks and generally bloodied existence. that's how her choice plays out, and in her age and in her anonimity i believe she stands representative. [11:03]
mircea_popescu meanwhile, the fucking ~times~ has to do its own investigation because the reps of the crown are completely lost in their pipe dreams to the point they're covering themselves in the mud of publicly ridicule eagery and with both hands. [11:04]
mircea_popescu the fucking township in question has to pay independent experts to come and inquire, because it's fucking 1600 iowa over there in rotherdam. [11:04]
mircea_popescu and the sheriff never made it yet to the territory. [11:04]
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mircea_popescu how come the us schmucks ranting on about their endless and universal jurisdiction over everything to the degree that they seek the extradition of random people derping on the internet have yet failed to seek the extradition of the i dunno, 10k or whatever pakis from england that did the child porn one better ? [11:08]
mircea_popescu seems odd. if you want it, that legitimacy and that position, boys and girls, this is what you do. and that you don't do it is why people, such as myself, mostly point and laugh at your untenable pretenses of "regulating" bitcoin or online whatever. [11:09]
mircea_popescu i'm sure "the commerce clause" allows one to invade and try rotherdam just as well as it allows one to put the silkroad derp in prison and try miloshevich. why the fuck not, after all. [11:10]
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mircea_popescu and in all this rests a lesson for practical everyday use, too. if you are actually man enough to let your girl know you'll beat the shit out of her if need be, which you generally won't even need to do after an initial stage of infantile testing of the theory as proposed, she'll be the most loving, loyal and internally happy woman that she could ever be. [11:20]
mircea_popescu whereas if you do not, she ~might~, maybe, manage to maintain superior brain function control over the rest of herself, and be some sort of a first approximation of the above. maybe. or maybe she won't, and go seek to be assuaged in the arms of other men, more inclined to provide the need - for it is a need. the surogates may work or not, but generally dont, and you'll know about it because if she thinks you're enough [11:20]
mircea_popescu of a girlfriend of hers rather than a man she'll tell you. [11:20]
mircea_popescu how's that for a "basics of relationships" guide. [11:20]
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mircea_popescu << an do what ? gardening and child rearing ? [11:29]
assbot Logged on 09-08-2015 06:28:55; phf: i'm pretty sure once i manage to build eulora on someone else's machine i'm just going to retire from computing altogether [11:29]
mircea_popescu << i never watched any of the first or much of the second, but it is painfully obvious even from five minutes no matter how chosen that the principal function of the stewart twerp is exactly the same thing as with that other one what's his face. [11:33]
assbot Logged on 09-08-2015 07:45:20; pete_dushenski: "Though the Trump show and the Daily Show both present populist, anti-establishment points of view, their use of entertainment provides a way to actually reinforcere the political and economic power of the establishment that both regularly admonish." [11:33]
mircea_popescu < this one. [11:33]
assbot "Parody" is not there for you cancerous fags to try and hide your cancer behind it. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [11:33]
mircea_popescu in fact im pretty sure he's just doing a stewart repackaging, but with more "support the government!" spam in it. [11:34]
mircea_popescu kindergarten keepers in costume, basically. [11:37]
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mircea_popescu because what do the kiddies watching know. [11:37]
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mircea_popescu << sad, but true. imbeciles. [11:41]
assbot Logged on 09-08-2015 11:14:06; kakobrekla: backed by the govt. [11:41]
mircea_popescu because yeah, doubling down against mp ever fucking worked. so maryland uni really wants to "win" at internets, right ? digs itself deeper, alf thinks hey, they're home free. i say it won't last, he says nothing ever lasts, we're at a standoff. [11:41]
mats [11:43]
assbot Insight: Tesla burns cash, loses more than $4,000 on every car sold [11:43]
mircea_popescu doh. [11:43]
kakobrekla how is 4k anything [11:46]
kakobrekla how much the car costs 100k? [11:46]
mircea_popescu so what's the idea, "i'm making a loss on every sale but hope to make it up on volume" ? [11:47]
mircea_popescu if a car costs more to make than it retails for, it costs more to make than it should by about 50%. you think volksvagen spends 20k to make a car they sell for 30 ? they don't. [11:48]
kakobrekla the question is whats the point of not charging 104k instead 100k [11:48]
mircea_popescu ah [11:48]
mircea_popescu i would guess their costs balooned unexpectedly after they had the marketing discussion and fixed a price point [11:48]
mircea_popescu and were stuck and didn't know hjow to fix it. [11:48]
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kakobrekla ah maybe. [11:48]
punkman you mean Tesla can't find a dozen stupid things to upsell? [11:48]
mircea_popescu their "home battery" thing isn't catching on. [11:49]
mircea_popescu which is suppose is technically better than it catching fire, but this is only from the pov of anyone but tesla. [11:49]
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shinohai But they have a nifty snake-like auto charger now! [11:57]
* mircea_popescu remembers the days last decade when apple was making money by including a two inch cable for chargers and selling a normal length one. [11:57]
mircea_popescu somehow the crappleheads took deliberate bugs for features throughout the lifetime of that scam. [11:58]
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kakobrekla dont they still do approx the same [12:09]
mircea_popescu i confess i've not been following. maybe. [12:10]
kakobrekla 50 bux cable with proprietary connector [12:10]
kakobrekla the good thing is chinese dont give a fuck and copy it for a buck, but it works only for a week, if. [12:10]
mircea_popescu yet. [12:11]
mircea_popescu that's how they started, i recall the shit they proudly made in the 80s [12:11]
mircea_popescu "made in china" lol, was like... "found by dumpster" [12:11]
asciilifeform danielpbarron et al: herr fare has a new site, [12:13]
assbot Houyhnhnm Computing ... ( ) [12:13]
shinohai <<< Brasil is where IT'S AT! [12:13]
assbot ... ( ) [12:13]
asciilifeform << mircea_popescu knows exactly why. [12:14]
assbot Logged on 09-08-2015 14:08:56; mircea_popescu: how come the us schmucks ranting on about their endless and universal jurisdiction over everything to the degree that they seek the extradition of random people derping on the internet have yet failed to seek the extradition of the i dunno, 10k or whatever pakis from england that did the child porn one better ? [12:14]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform mircea_popescu doesn't give a shit about that. [12:14]
asciilifeform the pakis are a designated imported predator, as per 'yi yi zhi yi' algo. they are doing their job. [12:14]
mircea_popescu i'm not in the business of understandingly strangling the enemy. [12:15]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform poor pakis. [12:15]
asciilifeform (yes, the pakis are enforcers for usg.) [12:15]
mircea_popescu at least the turks just massacred the armenians. what their allies the anglos did in east india... [12:16]
mircea_popescu "i have sinned" [12:16]
asciilifeform think, without pakis, how much less air compressor for the real estate bubble in paki-free zones [12:16]
asciilifeform the more rapy, from this perspective, the more effective. [12:17]
mircea_popescu and how many women sexually frustrated. [12:17]
asciilifeform same algo was successfully used in usa [12:17]
mircea_popescu i think by now it takes about a dozen englishmen to screw in the lightbulb so to speak. [12:17]
chetty well zeros new urban planning thing will fix it so no more paki free zones [12:18]
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asciilifeform british usg colonial lapdogs merely copied. [12:18]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform imagine for a second if you will, how utterly it must suck to be one of the paki betas. which yes, all groups have in the same proportion everywhere, and what's more [12:18]
mircea_popescu immigrants are selected for beta, always. because fuck, alpha's not leaving. [12:19]
mircea_popescu "your job is to X and i don't recall asking if you were rather equipped for Y mr. whatsyourname!" [12:19]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i must point out that this is only applicable to agricultural tribes. chechens and other migratories - not so! alpha leaves. raiding party. [12:19]
mircea_popescu a people that was principally known for excewllent house servants a century ago is now suddenly and magically turned into this mythological black beast of southern yore ? [12:20]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform mebbe. [12:20]
mircea_popescu on the other hand, the number of black dudes inadequate about their penis ("it's only six and a half inches!!!") far exceedes the number of white dudes so worried (its like four dude.) [12:21]
asciilifeform now, for the other prong of the question, 'omg121111!!1111 ch1ld pr0n!' prosecutions in usa are always, without exception about one thing: 'know that you can go to the camps for having certain bitstrings on your hdd. and that if we want to, we can put them there, aha.' [12:21]
mircea_popescu which percent-wise is "vast majority" sorta thing [12:21]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you are aware i was discussing the formal, not the substantial reality, rite? [12:22]
asciilifeform aha. [12:23]
asciilifeform but doesn't hurt to illustrate the substantial a bit. [12:24]
mircea_popescu in other lulz of today, "genocide of white race - all white women fuck black guys, white genes are recessive, future will be all black babies!!1" [12:24]
mircea_popescu derps never went to fucking school already. here's a little secret : the DEFINITION of a recessive gene is "the gene which never dies out" [12:25]
mircea_popescu that's the thing. why we still have hemophilia in spite of it not being desirable : dominant genes manifest by themselves, and thus you can't have unharmed carriers, and thus they die out under pressure. [12:25]
mircea_popescu recessive genes do not manifest by themselves, thus you can have unaffected carriers. thus they never die out. [12:25]
mircea_popescu and yes even today black couples have blue eyed, blond haired babies. it happens. [12:26]
* mircea_popescu idly imagines what nazi germany'd have been like if instead of extermination camps, they just had laws that made jewish women go around naked and always say yes to cock. [12:27]
mircea_popescu if the traditional hussiness of the jewish young woman's any indication... [12:28]
mircea_popescu thousand year reich fo sho. [12:28]
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asciilifeform << turns out fare has some decent material [12:33]
assbot Who Controls Your Computer? (And How to make sure it's you) ... ( ) [12:33]
asciilifeform from back when. [12:33]
asciilifeform or hm, undated [12:33]
asciilifeform hmm^2, definitely borrows material from us, rather than vice-versa. [12:34]
asciilifeform unattributed. [12:35]
mircea_popescu "1.1.4 The buck stops with you" [12:35]
mircea_popescu not bad, but also a show stopper. [12:35]
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mircea_popescu << like the first good one. [12:39]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 5.1.3 is lulzy [12:44]
asciilifeform (2,3) [12:44]
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mircea_popescu "5.1.3 The Ultimate Stake Let me stress what is ultimately at stake: Liberty itself. In this race between human farmers and free humans, there are only two possible end games: in the end, either we extirpate farming, by exterminating any would-be farmer, or they turn humans into cattle, and extirpate any free will by exterminating free men." [12:51]
mircea_popescu sometimes i wonder why is thinking so difficult anyway. [12:51]
asciilifeform not that 'thinking is hard,' but that pulling one's cock is easy [12:52]
mircea_popescu there is only one possible end game, and that is a thermodynamic constraint. otherwise, what fucking end game. some people will be slaves and some people will be stuck with the broadly unappealing job of herding them. [12:52]
mircea_popescu i guess you're right. [12:52]
mircea_popescu anwyay, /me lacks the patience for that page. [12:53]
asciilifeform in a farm process, there are three animals, rather than two [12:53]
asciilifeform not only farmer and cow, [12:53]
asciilifeform but also milk-drinker [12:53]
mircea_popescu only recently. [12:53]
asciilifeform aha [12:53]
mircea_popescu but i mean things more dunfamental. like. "liberty itself is at stake". [12:53]
mircea_popescu obviously you took no programming, or otherwise you'd know you can't possibly dereference ... THE CONCEPT OF REFERENCE. [12:54]
mircea_popescu motherfucker. [12:54]
asciilifeform that page is a valuable anthropologic resource, though. fella clearly has been lurking here for years [12:55]
asciilifeform (based on clues in other sections) [12:55]
mircea_popescu always with this immodest wankery. [12:55]
mircea_popescu schmucks on one side of the twitter debate are "saving the environment" while schmucks at the other side are "liberty is at stake!!!" [12:55]
mircea_popescu as fucking if. [12:55]
asciilifeform symptom of the basic difficulty of escaping 'enemy with outposts in your head' [12:56]
mircea_popescu check it out yo, if you keep farting you might end good digestion itself!!1 [12:56]
mircea_popescu "there used to be such a thing as intestinal transit. sadly that ended one day some dude from paris, wisconsin didn't wipe his ass properly." [12:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53900 @ 0.00062146 = 33.4967 BTC [+] {2} [12:57]
asciilifeform << mega-l0l [13:02]
assbot Karbala EW Attacks Keysight ... ( ) [13:02]
mircea_popescu [13:05]
mircea_popescu lol poor woman. [13:05]
mircea_popescu "we are observing the scene and waiting . you are not anonymous . expect us ." << notice a change ? [13:06]
asciilifeform nah [13:06]
asciilifeform same spiel since... '10 ? [13:07]
mircea_popescu no. it was "we are legion. expect us." [13:07]
asciilifeform big phat difference ? [13:08]
mircea_popescu major differences. fucking plural. [13:09]
asciilifeform still waiting for the interesting seekretz [13:09]
mircea_popescu how about you date some agilent women then ? [13:09]
mircea_popescu that's your opening, srsly. "hey, I got your email off the cryptome leak thing. wanna go for a cup of coffee ?" [13:10]
asciilifeform i doubt very much that there are women in 'compartments' [13:11]
mircea_popescu this is like saying "you doubt very much there is water in the crust". [13:11]
asciilifeform eh no. [13:11]
mircea_popescu ever heard of fracking ? [13:11]
asciilifeform example of interesting seekrit: 'magic packet that turns an intel nic to arbitrary-dma whatever into/out of ram' [13:12]
mircea_popescu so what are you waiting for. go get it! your list's there. [13:12]
asciilifeform the general rule is that an item like this is known to 3 people: the fella who ordered it; the fella who implemented it; and the fella in charge of shooting either or both if they talk [13:12]
mircea_popescu and the women. [13:12]
asciilifeform nah those know, respectively, 'mine signs paper,' 'mine diddles code,' 'mine shoots' [13:13]
mircea_popescu the woman dude. not the cows. the women. [13:13]
asciilifeform they have those in usa ? [13:13]
mircea_popescu make some if they don't. [13:14]
asciilifeform l0l out of what [13:14]
shinohai BingoBoingo: make qntra piece? [13:15]
assbot Windows Ethereum Users Affected by Private Key Bug ... ( ) [13:15]
asciilifeform Run Moar Winblowz! [13:15]
asciilifeform moar lulzy from same rag, [13:16]
assbot ‘Fundamentally Apolitical’ Bitcoin Arrives in Cuba amid US Relations Thaw ... ( ) [13:16]
asciilifeform ^ man? woman? robot ? [13:17]
shinohai [13:20]
assbot Hitler finds out Ethereum was dumped on the IPO - Altcoins Parody - YouTube ... ( ) [13:20]
punkman "While setting privacy permissions on the keys directory, insufficient error handling can cause the key files to not be written; this may be widespread on the Windows platform. As such, current versions of AlethZero and eth may include identities for which there exists no underlying key." [13:23]
shinohai This is the future of cryptocurrency ..... [13:24]
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mircea_popescu lollercopter. [13:45]
mircea_popescu users that lost money, direct all inquiries for repayment to university of maryland. [13:45]
mircea_popescu see for details of who to contact. [13:51]
assbot On the Elaine Shi and Andrew Miller scam ring on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [13:51]
mircea_popescu i'm sure they'll make you whole, but if they don't you certainly can get a lawyer and sue them personally and u of maryland for joint and serveral liability. [13:51]
mircea_popescu and settlements for something like that start at six digits. [13:52]
shinohai Hopefully they dumped at $3 kek [13:59]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the way it works, is that nsf (usg direct) provided truck full of money. umd is just one of the bordellos with which this heap purchased whores [14:02]
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mircea_popescu nobody ever won a war by killing the "high command". [14:02]
mircea_popescu ima grind the soldiers on the ground into toothpaste. [14:03]
asciilifeform go, grind. [14:03]
mircea_popescu no need to go. [14:03]
asciilifeform i just drove by the place. it is not only still standing but swarming with fresh chumpers [14:03]
mircea_popescu awww. [14:03]
asciilifeform (this is their season) [14:04]
mircea_popescu not quite as fresh as a few years ago, and so on and on. [14:04]
asciilifeform on the contrary, they are running out of places to put'em [14:04]
mircea_popescu this usually connotes stale. [14:04]
asciilifeform and i saw a curio that mircea_popescu might appreciate. the largest textbook shop was demolished and replaced with a kind of 'convenience store'. i went in, and saw that approximately 1/3 of the floor space was for menstrual products; a third - for condoms; and most of a third - for gurl phashion paraphernalia. (the small change remaining - iPnohe cabling, etc.) [14:06]
asciilifeform by last Official count, the uni is 60-65% female. [14:06]
mircea_popescu they actually expect to be paid for condoms ?! [14:07]
mircea_popescu i thought those were free on campus and still nobody uses them [14:07]
asciilifeform complicated [14:07]
asciilifeform 1) yes, free [14:07]
asciilifeform 2) no one wants to be seen as 'soviet' and using the standard phree ver. [14:07]
asciilifeform hence - ten grades of preeemium [14:07]
mircea_popescu i don't get this. [14:08]
mircea_popescu wouldnt you WANT to be seen as exactly that ? [14:08]
mircea_popescu last i heard about a third of the kids pointedly wore army surpluss stuff. [14:08]
asciilifeform not here. [14:08]
asciilifeform plus the phree usg condoms don't have fruit juices, built-in vibratory devices, and other nonsense [14:09]
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punkman but do they have added vitamins? [14:09]
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mircea_popescu fruit juices good help us [14:10]
mircea_popescu why not just put half an orange on the thing. [14:10]
mircea_popescu it'll juice alright. [14:10]
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ag3nt_zer0 good morning folks... please enjoy: [14:14]
assbot Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau "Ich habe genug" J.S.Bach - YouTube ... ( ) [14:14]
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* shinohai thanks ag3nt_zer0 for the fine music selection ... [14:19]
shinohai Enjoy this view with the music: [14:20]
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ag3nt_zer0 shinohai: my pleasure man... so beautiful [14:26]
shinohai I'm a sucker for bach, and I especially love hearing Segovia play it. [14:27]
shinohai Because, geetars man [14:27]
shinohai !up n6 [14:28]
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ag3nt_zer0 you play? [14:28]
ag3nt_zer0 i have been working my segovia scales a bit haha [14:28]
shinohai Yup, well I used to when I had time. [14:28]
n6 I hate to ask for support in here again but gave up on lsub idea and reinstalled, now I can't get wireless working at all using cli, tried setting up a conf file becuase wpa_cli woudln't connect with wpa_supplicant but that didnt work. at a loss for where to go next on my quest for a source based distro. [14:34]
n6 it works fine if i boot into live cd and put the info in [14:34]
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ben_vulpes wb yo [14:35]
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ag3nt_zer0 Dietrich Fischer Dieskau is the guy who cracked open the wonder of "classical" singing to me - Before him, I liked it, but didn't really feel connected to it in the same way that I was to sonic youth and nine inch nails haha... then I saw some videos of dieskau doing Schubert lierder and I was fuckiing blasted - the dude like physically changed into the different character of the song - and the lyrical sensibility of Schu [14:35]
danielpbarron n6, i was never able to get wifi working on my gentoo install so good luck with that [14:35]
ag3nt_zer0 it was fucking rock and roll [14:35]
ag3nt_zer0 *characters [14:35]
shinohai ag3nt_zer0: you like neo-classical guitar too? [14:36]
ag3nt_zer0 sure I like all honest music [14:36]
shinohai This guy is insane: [14:37]
assbot (Storm Rider) Gentaro Satomura Neo-Classical Sweep Solo - YouTube ... ( ) [14:37]
ag3nt_zer0 and maybe some unabashadly dishonest that I havent been graced to hear yet [14:37]
ag3nt_zer0 *unabashedly [14:37]
ag3nt_zer0 thanks I'll have a listen :) [14:38]
trinque n6: you may need to emerge linux-firmware; however, you're best off looking for gentoo support in #gentoo [14:43]
n6 thanks as always trinque. gonna try again after emerging firmware [14:44]
ben_vulpes ;;later tell phf new logdump for ya [14:50]
gribble The operation succeeded. [14:50]
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ag3nt_zer0 shinahai: yeah wow... have you ever checked out the guitarist stanley jordan (plays two guitars touch tap technique)? that guy is amazing as well... good character too - walked away from fame and shit town to do music therapy [14:53]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [14:53]
ag3nt_zer0 haha whats that? [14:53]
shinohai Yeah Stanley Jordan is awesum [14:53]
shinohai I even didn't hate on him for that Stairway cver. [14:54]
shinohai *cover [14:55]
shinohai This kid is great at tap guitar too: [14:56]
assbot TETRIS THEME - ZACK KIM - YouTube ... ( ) [14:56]
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mircea_popescu in other new, pervyleague [15:20]
assbot ... ( ) [15:20]
ag3nt_zer0 love this one too: [15:21]
assbot Julian Bream - Fandanguillo - YouTube ... ( ) [15:21]
asciilifeform error: cocks visible [15:22]
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shinohai Now it's like throwing a hotdog down a hallway #rekt [15:22]
shinohai Also, "privilege " [15:23]
ben_vulpes cunts are stretchy man. [15:23]
ben_vulpes remarkable things, really. [15:24]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: << remember them ? [15:25]
assbot NearlyFreeSpeech.Net (web hosting) accepts bitcoin - Imgur ... ( ) [15:25]
shinohai [15:25]
assbot ... ( ) [15:25]
asciilifeform << l0l apparently old nyooz [15:26]
assbot Logged on 05-07-2015 16:21:23; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu seems like 'nearlyfreespeech co.' takes btc now.. [15:26]
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mod6 So Shinohai and I just got done testing my TEST2 bundle with rotor script. We've built successfully on: Gentoo/glibc, Ubuntu 10.04, Debian 6 and Debian 8 :: All x86_64 [15:52]
shinohai I propose adding that location echo to the script mod6 so as not to cause noob hair-pulling. [15:53]
mod6 If someone wants to give it a try on x86_64 on a similar linux let me know. I've had to install a few pre-reqs on a totally bare minimum 10.04 like: build-essentials, curl, rsync, and unzip [15:53]
asciilifeform neato [15:54]
mod6 ah shinohai, location echo? [15:54]
asciilifeform btw rsync should be abolished when we mod the thing to stop pulling from the net [15:54]
asciilifeform ditto curl [15:54]
mod6 yeah, that's after we freeze everything though right? [15:54]
asciilifeform aha [15:54]
mod6 ok np [15:54]
mod6 ;;later tell pete_dushenski I have a script for you to try on Debian 7 to build TEST2 with rotor. You might need to install a few minor pre-reqs. I can hold your hand if required for that part. Let me know when you have some time. [15:55]
gribble The operation succeeded. [15:55]
mod6 asciilifeform: only main change I had to make other than pulling down the TEST2 bundle itself was to add this: sed -i 's/bitcoin/bitcoin/src/bitcoin/src/' [15:56]
asciilifeform this suggests that the dir structure was not created correctly [15:57]
asciilifeform in this test [15:57]
mod6 no, mine's fine. [15:58]
mod6 its just the way that jurov demands that it works. [15:58]
asciilifeform wai wut [15:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83802 @ 0.00062553 = 52.4207 BTC [+] {3} [15:58]
mod6 remember when jurov was mad at me because i put everything underneath of v0_5_3_1/ instead of just being what it was. [15:59]
asciilifeform ah hm [15:59]
mod6 so now it extracts and it's just bitcoin/src [15:59]
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asciilifeform whatever. so long as it works when i get it back and test it [15:59]
mod6 haha, right. [16:00]
mod6 i have a script for you to look over, review, read, and try out if you like: [16:00]
asciilifeform hm? [16:00]
mod6 [16:00]
assbot ... ( ) [16:00]
mod6 main major requirement x86-64 [16:01]
asciilifeform looks reasonable to naked eye. will test later when i get back to the machine where i do this. [16:02]
mod6 someone can also not run this as a script and just run these commands one line at a time if they please. [16:02]
mod6 thanks asciilifeform [16:02]
shinohai Testing on Ubuntu precise nau [16:05]
mod6 last reminder to all who are following along: TEST2 is patched up through maxint_locks_corrected [16:06]
kakobrekla recv-keys not using fingerprints ? [16:07]
asciilifeform ;;later tell BingoBoingo [16:07]
gribble The operation succeeded. [16:07]
assbot 100 Test Loongson LS3A 2way Server V1 1 Ty RS780ED by DHL or EMS | eBay ... ( ) [16:07]
asciilifeform ^ or other archaeologists, explorerz [16:07]
asciilifeform i dare say that recv-keys is an evil [16:08]
mod6 kakobrekla: it needs a bit of cleanup before we're through [16:08]
mod6 thanks tho [16:08]
asciilifeform get yer keys from a) the horse's mouth b) someone you've personally met who met (a) [16:08]
kakobrekla also live on another planet [16:08]
asciilifeform we are nearing the point where hashless pubkey distribution is practical [16:09]
asciilifeform (enough of us have met in the meat) [16:09]
asciilifeform good practice for when it is time for the one time pads, too. [16:09]
mod6 All: If you are going to build the on debian be advised that you may need the following installed: build-essential curl unzip python bc rsync [16:16]
ben_vulpes how did rsync get in there? [16:17]
mod6 buildroot uses it to pull stuff it needs. [16:17]
mod6 (14:54) <+asciilifeform> btw rsync should be abolished when we mod the thing to stop pulling from the net [16:17]
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mod6 <+asciilifeform> ditto curl [16:17]
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ben_vulpes myeah. [16:18]
* ben_vulpes is having trouble keeping all of the moving parts for this thing in head at once. [16:18]
mod6 yea, i think this all is about to get easier. [16:19]
mod6 it's been a battle [16:19]
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shinohai Suddenly, Ethereum is not ready yet: [16:56]
assbot CryptoJunky comments on Ethereum is on sale y’all ... ( ) [16:56]
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funkenstein_ get to the rotor! [17:13]
funkenstein_ if anyone still working the nursery, here's me failing to build buildroot on debian8: [17:15]
assbot dpaste: 0FXN1D4 ... ( ) [17:15]
mod6 oh [17:16]
* mod6 looks [17:16]
mod6 funkenstein_: ok this is a new one for me. what are the detalis: debian 8, x86-64... ok. is this with the rotor/stator hand build from ascii's guide with tea? or my thing I just posted a bit a go [17:18]
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jurov mircea_popescu: pls to mpex [17:21]
shinohai Try the new test script. So easy a redditard *might* could build it. [17:21]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: is the untarred buildroot intended to live in toolchain or in the root of the rotor directory? [17:22]
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mats TIL [17:23]
assbot 16 firms worth billions even though they lose millions - Jan. 23, 2015 ... ( ) [17:23]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: my root dir contains: buildroot-2015.05 stator toolchain [17:23]
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asciilifeform mats: 'worth billions' in the usg empire has nothing to do with money, but with 'noble, aryan' blood [17:24]
asciilifeform the money is seen as an entitlement [17:24]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform and what ends up in toolchain? [17:24]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: the 1) binaries 2) headers which magick into existence when buildroot is built [17:25]
asciilifeform (it is initially empty) [17:25]
ben_vulpes well this explains a few thigs [17:25]
asciilifeform this covers gcc and libc (musl in the provided config) [17:25]
asciilifeform, if you notice, sets up environment such that ~they~ and not your local system's are used for the builds [17:26]
ben_vulpes i *did* notice that bit [17:26]
ben_vulpes put buildroot in the wrong place. [17:26]
ben_vulpes will now have to throw everything out and recompile buildroot, no? [17:26]
asciilifeform oh and don't every try to move'em [17:26]
asciilifeform won't work [17:26]
asciilifeform (complain to gcc folks, not me. absolute path crud in just about everything...) [17:27]
ben_vulpes will now have to throw everything out and recompile buildroot, no?<< so then yes [17:27]
asciilifeform aha [17:27]
ben_vulpes lovely, thanks world [17:27]
mod6 asciilifeform: any idea on funkenstein_'s error? maybe no build-essentials? [17:28]
asciilifeform mod6: hard to say, but his environment is loudly and profanely defective [17:30]
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asciilifeform where the fuck do you people get these things ?! [17:31]
asciilifeform what happened to reasonable linux ? [17:31]
trinque years of compromise. [17:31]
mod6 shinohai: you built successfully with on deb 8 right? [17:31]
asciilifeform << apparently nobody knows [17:32]
assbot GCC 4.8 Build Error 2 gcc/nm: exec: line -89: -pg not found ... ( ) [17:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00062885 = 7.3261 BTC [+] [17:32]
asciilifeform try turning the gcc knob to some much earlier ver. [17:32]
shinohai Yup, Deb 7, 8 and Ubuntu precise [17:32]
asciilifeform prolly ought to have done this myself to begin with [17:32]
mod6 great work shinohai [17:32]
shinohai Ubuntu was on the shittiest box I could find. [17:32]
shinohai ^_______________^ [17:32]
mod6 i built on ubuntu 10.04, as well as deb6 and gentoo/hardened/nomultilib/libc [17:33]
trinque asciilifeform: btw, here is the gentoo bootstrap script so far [17:33]
assbot dpaste: 27W35K9 ... ( ) [17:33]
trinque currently farts out a root.img which can be run in qemu [17:33]
mod6 i guess i could try now on 14.04 LTS [17:33]
trinque working on it hitting a block device now [17:33]
asciilifeform neato [17:33]
* mod6 looks [17:33]
asciilifeform give it to mircea_popescu, i think he was having problems coming up with a gentoo [17:33]
trinque asciilifeform: shall when it does a blockdev [17:33]
mod6 trinque: cool! [17:34]
asciilifeform would be neat if it could be done with a musl runtime [17:34]
asciilifeform (instead of drepperola) [17:34]
trinque asciilifeform: I intend such knobs, for sure [17:34]
trinque would I think mostly be a change of the STAGE3 line [17:34]
asciilifeform has anyone tried the 'suckless' linux ? [17:34]
asciilifeform seems as if they are even abolishing 'busybox' in favour of something 'fits-in-head'-flavoured [17:35]
mod6 awe shoot, realized i gotta wait until later tonight for ubuntu 14.04 test. my bad. [17:35]
asciilifeform would be interesting to learn whether this actually lives peacefully with any existing proggy [17:35]
mod6 busybox? any specific version? [17:35]
asciilifeform mod6: iirc they are dispensing with it entirely [17:36]
asciilifeform in favour of something else that they wrote [17:36]
mod6 oh. ok. you want to us to try it on the new thing they're working on, or exisitng, or both and compare? [17:36]
asciilifeform eh, was just curious if anyone ~has~ [17:36]
punkman their busybox replacement [17:37]
asciilifeform imho ought to go in some kind of logical order - iirc most folks don't even have rotor working yet. [17:37]
assbot sbase - suckless unix tools ... ( ) [17:37]
punkman I like that there's a column named "Finished" [17:37]
mod6 asciilifeform: im with you there. [17:38]
asciilifeform depressing that they're doing utf [17:38]
punkman why? [17:38]
asciilifeform 'tis a 'hole through which the night leaks in' [17:38]
asciilifeform and bloats everything [17:39]
asciilifeform what ~i~ would like is a modern unix that FITS IN A FUCKING BOOK like the sysv5 in 'the lions book' [17:39]
asciilifeform as it is, unix is dead, and we will come to regret keeping it on life support this way. [17:39]
punkman if you notice, only a few of the things need explicit UTF8 support there [17:39]
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asciilifeform one notable attempt at 'fits in book but usable' was minix. a failed attempt. [17:40]
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asciilifeform compare minix2 to minix3 [17:40]
asciilifeform the latter runs on actual hardware which you may be able to find - but NO LONGER FITS IN BOOK [17:41]
asciilifeform it turned into a pathetically shabby imitation linux [17:41]
asciilifeform and before mircea_popescu chimes in and says 'find old hardware', let's see him booting from a floppy [17:41]
asciilifeform and running blockchain on an elephantine heap of floppies swapped in and out by hand. [17:42]
asciilifeform at ~10kB/s. [17:42]
shinohai LOL [17:42]
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asciilifeform if you want to play 'rogue', you can use whatever iron you found in old university dumpster, yes [17:42]
asciilifeform but if you want to use bitcoin - suddenly there are all kinds of hard constraints [17:42]
shinohai Or, I could fire up the trs-80 and attempt to fit it all on cassette tape/ [17:43]
asciilifeform gotta support modern disks, and modern bus, and ram, and... and. [17:43]
asciilifeform and yes, one can turn bitcoind into a kernel of sorts. (you cannot use a linux kernel as a base for this. to understand why, read src for kmalloc, etc.) [17:44]
asciilifeform but this does not magick away the problem of ~on what to develop~. [17:44]
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asciilifeform have fun verifying blocks in <10M on that trs. [17:45]
asciilifeform (will a typical tx, much less block, even fit in the 64k address space ?) [17:45]
asciilifeform and sure, go and scoop ocean out with a thimble. but doing it ~quickly~ is another matter. [17:46]
* asciilifeform bbl [17:46]
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ben_vulpes !up scthoopbot [17:52]
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ben_vulpes !up scthoopbot [17:52]
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ben_vulpes ahaha [17:53]
ben_vulpes !up scthoopbot [17:53]
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ben_vulpes righteous [17:53]
ben_vulpes syn [17:53]
ben_vulpes joker. [17:54]
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williamdunne Scthoopbot isn't very inspiring at the moment. Just doing it as my hello lisp project [17:55]
williamdunne Oh shit [17:55]
williamdunne He replies to every message with dick [17:55]
williamdunne oops [17:55]
trinque lol [17:56]
jurov scthoopbot ? [17:56]
jurov kek [17:56]
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williamdunne Umm, it was my best interpretation of someone with a severe lisp saying "scoopbot" [17:56]
williamdunne Although evidently he doesn't quite understand the concept of a private message yet [17:56]
fluffypony wouldn't it just be thcoopbot? [17:56]
fluffypony :-P [17:56]
williamdunne I think you might be right [17:57]
williamdunne Yes, you are [17:57]
williamdunne I'm already fed up of brackets [17:58]
trinque tune your editor better [17:58]
trinque you shouldn't even notice them [17:58]
trinque emacs is the only sane choice, and there are a number of modes for that [17:59]
williamdunne Yeah, I'll get that done. It's a really strange language coming from some of the more "modern" ones [18:00]
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trinque only because the others hide a detail lisp displays honestly, the AST [18:01]
trinque anyhow, cool that you're diving into that [18:01]
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williamdunne Yeah, seems pretty good so far. Only bummer is that all of the libraries I can take advantage of elsewhere don't really exist, and if they do they are entirely undocumented [18:03]
williamdunne Although its forcing me to read source, which at least is good for learning [18:03]
trinque for CL itself, hyperspec.el [18:03]
trinque as for the rest, depends on the library [18:03]
williamdunne I found this and got excited, until I realized that they haven't written all that much.. [18:04]
williamdunne [18:04]
assbot L(λ)THW ... ( ) [18:04]
punkman williamdunne: [18:04]
assbot Learn Common Lisp in Y Minutes ... ( ) [18:05]
williamdunne Yeah, that's what I've been learning from :) [18:05]
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williamdunne trinque: punkman: know how I can dump a representation of an object to a string? [18:18]
williamdunne found print-object but looks for a stream [18:18]
jurov simple, just screenshot+ocr [18:19]
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trinque williamdunne: if you're in a slime repl, you can simply make mention of the symbol and right click the thing, and inspect [18:20]
trinque I'ms ure there's some pretty printer too; I haven't used it [18:20]
williamdunne Thanks, I'll have a dig [18:21]
trinque williamdunne: actually you probably just want to past stdout to print-object as the stream [18:21]
punkman isn't it just 'object? [18:21]
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trinque looks like (pprint 'yourthing) maybe [18:22]
trinque something around there [18:22]
trinque [18:22]
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ben_vulpes williamdunne: what's your cl development flow like? [19:18]
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ben_vulpes i had a dream that i figured out how to never recompile openssl again [19:20]
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mats I had a dream I got three scoops of guac at chipotle [19:25]
williamdunne ben_vulpes: Horrendous, currently just doing (load "some/path/file.lisp") [19:25]
williamdunne Which I edit in sublime [19:25]
ben_vulpes williamdunne: hate to ask, but... [19:25]
ben_vulpes aok. [19:25]
ben_vulpes stoppit, wouldja? [19:25]
ben_vulpes :P [19:25]
ben_vulpes the incremental recompilation shit is mind-blowing [19:26]
williamdunne Yeah, I'm gonna get emacs set up [19:26]
williamdunne Not used to using it, so another thing to learn [19:26]
ben_vulpes okay, well pm if you need help [19:26]
ben_vulpes always happy to indoctrinate another [19:26]
williamdunne Cheers ben :) yeah does look a little batshit to setup in buntu [19:26]
ben_vulpes ah it ain't so bad [19:27]
phf williamdunne: no! [19:27]
phf one sec [19:27]
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ben_vulpes asciilifeform: << how buildroot exits [19:29]
assbot dpaste: 1A5RWC9 ... ( ) [19:29]
ben_vulpes no idea if that's right or not [19:30]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: does it ~work~ ? [19:31]
ben_vulpes i'll see. [19:31]
ben_vulpes stepping carefully through next steps. [19:31]
shinohai <<< good luck w/that [19:33]
assbot In C++ my variables are signed but I have no place to put my signature. What did I do wrong? : shittyprogramming ... ( ) [19:33]
phf williamdunne: rob warnock has a series of posts on how to use lisp effectively even if you don't have emacs running, i often find it a reasonable path for lisp novices, particularly when you don't want the complexity of emacs to get in the way of early explorations.,, http:// [19:33]
phf and (there's probably more, but it's worthwhile to read through those) [19:33]
assbot 404 Not Found ... ( ) [19:34]
assbot 404 Not Found ... ( ) [19:34]
assbot Re: Emacs vs VI, the final solution — Rob Warnock Lisp usenet archive ... ( ) [19:34]
asciilifeform phf: xach is a serious lulzmine [19:34]
asciilifeform sadly, he (iirc) starved. [19:34]
phf asciilifeform: well, he provides a valuable service of hosting both naggum and rob warnock archives [19:35]
mircea_popescu ho come he's not here anyway [19:35]
asciilifeform or hm no! [19:35]
williamdunne Thanks phf [19:35]
asciilifeform i'm entirely misremembering [19:35]
asciilifeform it was xiah lee who starved [19:35]
asciilifeform xach - no one seems to know anything about. [19:35]
asciilifeform (xiah lee, don't expect to see anywhere. he literally ran out of money and went to wash dishes for minimum wage, and sold his computer iirc) [19:36]
phf i love xah, but he fell out of contact by becoming increasing more chaotic [19:36]
phf (xah lee) [19:37]
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mircea_popescu this mpex over 60 thing is beheheautiful. [19:40]
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ben_vulpes behyutiful [19:42]
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mircea_popescu btw rsync should be abolished when we mod the thing to stop pulling from the net << very much this wtf. [19:43]
asciilifeform i did warn! [19:43]
asciilifeform back when i released pogotron [19:44]
asciilifeform (which rotor is based on) [19:44]
phf i've met xach a few times at post-ilc pub sessions, i think he's doing lisp consulting for clozure, but yeah i don't really know the details. i think him, fare, etc. would dismiss this place on superficial grounds being self proclaimed feminists. last i checked fare's twitter it was an equal mix of lisp conversations and sjw rhetoric [19:44]
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asciilifeform last i saw, fare was more of a 'libertarian'-flavoured crackpot ? [19:44]
asciilifeform odd [19:44]
mircea_popescu !up nama [19:44]
-assbot- You voiced nama for 30 minutes. [19:44]
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mircea_popescu !h [19:45]
assbot [19:45]
mircea_popescu nama see above link, where it says "first steps in #b-a" [19:45]
mircea_popescu it's explained how to register with assbot. after that i'll rate you and you can ahve an eulora account. [19:45]
mircea_popescu phf we're feminists aren't we ?! [19:46]
phf i think by last polls we were "pervs" [19:47]
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mircea_popescu orthogonal concern isn't it ? [19:47]
ben_vulpes fair unsurprising, one has to toe that line to keep a twitter account [19:47]
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mircea_popescu it's gotten that bad ? [19:48]
mircea_popescu anyway, i'm penning a "racists and the racist idea" piece, should help. [19:48]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: "configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs." [19:49]
asciilifeform ??! [19:49]
mircea_popescu ahaha wut! [19:49]
asciilifeform burn your computer. [19:49]
ben_vulpes yes, that is what you told trinque as well. [19:50]
trinque ben_vulpes: is that db saying that? [19:51]
ben_vulpes adding the --host flag now. [19:51]
ben_vulpes setting -e as well [19:52]
trinque in related news, my script works for both disk images and block devices; however, I need to figure out why the usb device isn't present at the time the initrd goes looking for root [19:53]
trinque so after that, infectious gentoo [19:54]
mircea_popescu find lsub, help out n6 [19:54]
ben_vulpes lol why oh why does this script carry on merrily even after i set -e [19:55]
trinque depends how you're running it [19:55]
trinque source ? [19:56]
ben_vulpes ah well it'd help to edit the right script [19:56]
trinque that too lol [19:56]
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ben_vulpes `rotor/stattor/` [19:56]
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ben_vulpes trinque: set -xeu should do the trick, no? [19:57]
mircea_popescu btw, the... let's call them "non stem" persons keeping their eye on this here thing because they're so interested in my magical dragon being and associatedpowers regularly observe that you people have horrid naming schemes and nymismatics generally. [19:58]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: let'em come here and name then. [19:59]
asciilifeform 'to criticize is to volunteer' [19:59]
asciilifeform (tm) (r) [19:59]
asciilifeform let'em also go and de-swearword the soviet phaktory. [20:00]
mircea_popescu i said this. [20:01]
trinque ben_vulpes: I dunno what x and u do [20:01]
ben_vulpes x prints all output, u signals errors on reference to unbound variables [20:02]
trinque ah [20:02]
phf williamdunne: not builtin, but here's a generic object printer, if you have an instance of a class, you'll get # (where C is unbound) [20:03]
assbot ... ( ) [20:03]
phf only works for ccl and sbcl, so if you're using something different i'll need to extend it [20:03]
asciilifeform phf: this can be made to work for anything that has printability method defined, aha [20:03]
trinque ben_vulpes: bash --be-sane [20:04]
ben_vulpes that's all i've ever wanted out of these scripts. [20:05]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: recall your observation ? i often have problems naming something that i strongly feel doesn't deserve a name [20:05]
assbot Logged on 07-08-2015 14:35:50; mircea_popescu: it's almost as if he respects the scholar and despises the whore^H^H^H^H i mean programmer [20:05]
asciilifeform just like a turd isn't normally given a name before flushing [20:05]
ben_vulpes the "minimal changes possible thing" keeps us hunting around local maxima [20:05]
ben_vulpes big institutional resistance to plucking the team up and depositing them elsewhere on the manifold. [20:06]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes explain ye ? [20:06]
ben_vulpes "go uphill", right? [20:06]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform naming is fundamentally dirty. [20:06]
mircea_popescu nothing deserves a name at that time it gets a name. [20:07]
asciilifeform this is why kings, popes, have the right pattern [20:07]
asciilifeform get a temp name and assigned a proper one ~when deserved~ [20:07]
asciilifeform or the japanese version of this, full-bore [20:07]
asciilifeform posthumous names [20:07]
asciilifeform (e.g., 'emperor showa' not hirohito) [20:08]
ben_vulpes when one reaches the top of the hill, naive optimization algo will simply not take you through the valley to the next hill [20:08]
ben_vulpes "minimal changes possible" is this naive optimization. [20:08]
asciilifeform or hell, ru prison nicknamez [20:08]
mircea_popescu what's showa mean, incidentally ? [20:09]
ben_vulpes and so i end up commenting out sections of scripts. adding -xeu myself. and so forth. [20:09]
mircea_popescu "unavoidable failure" or "the hole the night" ? [20:09]
asciilifeform ask jp [20:09]
mircea_popescu i r ask! [20:09]
asciilifeform wouldn't surprise me if it means something like 'deep sea fish' [20:10]
asciilifeform esp. given as that was his true calling (ichthyology) [20:10]
asciilifeform had papers published, even. [20:10]
mircea_popescu "dumbass" also works. [20:10]
mircea_popescu (this is why the jp don't have the irght idea - the respect of they loath to insult is not worth the shit it's printed on) [20:11]
asciilifeform the whole experiment in bringing back emperors was a flop [20:11]
mircea_popescu so it was. [20:11]
asciilifeform a kind of legitimacy-washing of unrelated structures [20:11]
asciilifeform sorta like if somebody took moldbug's suggestion of digging up and reinstating the stewart monarchy somehow [20:12]
mircea_popescu rank nonsense. you can't "be made" a king. [20:12]
asciilifeform aha [20:12]
mircea_popescu the only legitimate way to become a king is at the hands of a priest whose knees are trembling. [20:13]
mircea_popescu hitler's readily the last legitimate case. [20:13]
asciilifeform aha [20:13]
mircea_popescu (unlike napoleon, stalin never wanted it) [20:13]
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BingoBoingo has anyone tried the 'suckless' linux ? << stali the "more official" distribution seems to still be in the planning phase [20:25]
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ben_vulpes ah that's right, boost needs exceptions from the -e flag [20:28]
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williamdunne phf: Thanks, although I'm still trying to wrap my head around streams [20:38]
ben_vulpes williamdunne: [20:38]
assbot 21. Streams ... ( ) [20:39]
phf williamdunne: if you paste it in your repl, objects that you create with make-instance will magically display their attributes [20:39]
phf i.e. you don't need to know about streams to use that function [20:39]
ben_vulpes after much derping, i have a rotor-built stator bitcoind [20:40]
phf ben_vulpes: os x? [20:40]
ben_vulpes some heinous aws gentoo [20:40]
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shinohai gg ben_vulpes [20:44]
mod6 <+ben_vulpes> after much derping, i have a rotor-built stator bitcoind << heeey! neat. :] [20:47]
mod6 im building on ubuntu 14.04 atm [20:47]
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asciilifeform << and when i tell mircea_popescu 'they own the backbone', he laughs [21:01]
assbot Logged on 09-08-2015 23:34:47; mats: [21:01]
williamdunne phf: Objects aren't created in a very accessible manner. Simply received from an event [21:01]
phf williamdunne: try running that function and then see if the display of these objects from an event changed [21:03]
phf they should [21:03]
phf *it should rather [21:03]
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williamdunne phf: if I just run it, it has no inputs. Or am I just entirely derping? [21:06]
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phf williamdunne: correct (on both) [21:07]
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phf this is sort of like redefining Object.toString or object.__str__ [21:08]
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phf williamdunne: i guess i might've also did a wild guess, i assume you're getting some standard-objects from somewhere, and they come out as # or somesuch and you're trying to figure out, what's inside of them. you can (inspect foo) to see the insides of the object on repl, or you can call that (defmethod ...) and then every time an object is displayed on repl it's going to be displayed as # i [21:19]
phf nstead [21:19]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i do ? [21:21]
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mircea_popescu lol [21:34]
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phf ben_vulpes: have you been brew update'ing? i'm looking at the latest log and it looks like an older version of a script. `git -C $(brew --repository)/Library/Taps/pf/homebrew-eulora log|head -1|awk '{print $2}'` should return ce6d58194e2371ac9d4295e3a9a336fe6e44c548 [21:51]
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gernika phf - been following along - that's what I get [22:05]
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phf gernika: does yours also fail? logs please [22:05]
gernika yes. one sec. [22:06]
phf thanks! [22:06]
gernika phf: [22:09]
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phf now it's push pull against homebrew.. i take it you have gcc46 installed via homebrew and no other gcc versions [22:13]
gernika I do have gcc46 - I'm not sure if I have other gcc versions or not - I vaguely recall xcode installing some compiler or other [22:14]
gernika Looks like I've got gcc42 as well [22:15]
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phf xcode comes with clang/llvm and a bogus llvm-gcc, which pretends to be gcc, except fails on all kinds of obscure flags, and certainly doesn't respect gcc semantics [22:16]
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phf homebrew on the other hand can be told "this thing doesn't build with GCC/llvm/clang such and such" but can't be told explicitly "build with this compiler", because! [22:17]
phf and then it hacks up the environment so that calls to gcc-* are funneled to whatever version of gcc homebrew magically decided to use [22:18]
ben_vulpes phf: i have, will again [22:23]
ben_vulpes phf: are you pushing changes? neither cs nor eulora were listed in the output of `brew update' [22:26]
phf did you ran the above git -C ... command? if it's returning ce6d*, then you're on the latest change [22:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23650 @ 0.00062695 = 14.8274 BTC [+] {3} [22:28]
mircea_popescu is it just me or is trilema actually the 4th result for pay for your tits [22:33]
phf ben_vulpes, gernika: i just pushed another version. see if "pf/homebrew-eulora" is in brew update results. also it /should/ now use gcc-4.6 but who the fuck knows. rebuild if don't mind spending electricity, i'll continue reading homebrew source code [22:37]
scoopbot_revived Racists and the racist idea [22:37]
gernika phf didn't see it in the list of updated formulas but the hash changed: b94bbf8834183935a1e03bd3736942e455a02e1c [22:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32750 @ 0.00062699 = 20.5339 BTC [+] {4} [22:40]
phf that's a correct hash [22:40]
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phf btw, doing `git -C $(brew --repository)/Library/Taps/pf/homebrew-eulora log --show-signature` should show that all the commits have been signed with my key. of course homebrew has zero hooks to enforce signed only updates.. [22:42]
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gernika phf: failed: [23:06]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: '...not unlike the idea that there can exist "professional code" or professional defecation. Get over it, everyone's doing it anyway.' << i've said before, and will say again: this not-unfounded notion is not a neutral observation, but a normative; and for so long as folks expect a steaming heap of shit on their plates, that is what will be served for dinner. [23:09]
asciilifeform half the battle is merely to get anybody to contemplate that it is possible to eat things other than shit [23:09]
asciilifeform just - in principle, possible. [23:09]
asciilifeform 'eh, medicine?! anybody can take a knife and let blood' [23:10]
asciilifeform 'what medical skill? it's like shitting, anyone can do it' [23:10]
asciilifeform 'anybody can gather rat shit and smear it in a wound.' [23:10]
asciilifeform yes, yes they can. [23:10]
asciilifeform btw, iirc mircea_popescu once asked why dijkstra is not taught in american schools. the reason is not a secret: he openly taught that fewer people have any business programming computer than performing surgery [23:12]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform i did mention it's controversial :) [23:23]
mircea_popescu !up bassguitarman [23:24]
-assbot- You voiced bassguitarman for 30 minutes. [23:24]
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asciilifeform aha/ [23:24]
mircea_popescu i like teh approach phf [23:24]
phf a prof at umd (hanan samet, he did his grad work at stanford under john mccarthy) told me that he tried teaching SICP for a semester, with the predictable result of 90% failure rate. equally predictably parents started calling dean's office and sent in lawyers, the grades were nullified and his teaching methods questioned, of course he never tried teaching SICP again [23:24]
asciilifeform phf: samet! [23:24]
asciilifeform phf: never saw him in person, but we had his book. [23:24]
mircea_popescu phf i don't get this lawyers thing tbh. nothing left of the 60s parisian uprising in the us ? [23:25]
asciilifeform and wtf, much harsher coursework was done there when i was a wee lad [23:25]
asciilifeform than anything in sicp [23:25]
mircea_popescu i thot the vulgate is that lawyers aren't allowed on campus. [23:25]
phf mircea_popescu: there's an internal conflict resolution body, which essentially mirrors us court system. when i had some issues with the school, i was immediately advised to higher a lawyer by every random student i talked to about it [23:26]
asciilifeform and hell, 90% failure rate is ~mandatory~ in freshmen 'weeders' [23:26]
asciilifeform so there's gotta be some other part of this story. [23:27]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform this is a good idea incidewntally. if i ran the school, it'd be "this class fails 90% - if the teacher doesn't flunk that many we'll draw lots, but student body DOES get decimated one way or another" [23:27]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this used to be sop [23:27]
phf asciilifeform: i think his class was a entry level elective, so a bunch of special snowflakes took it to distinguish themselves on transcript [23:28]
mircea_popescu the drawing lots ? [23:28]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: no. the 90% [23:28]
mircea_popescu ah yes. [23:28]
mircea_popescu add the lots, take the power from the people. [23:28]
asciilifeform notbad. [23:28]
phf asciilifeform: but yeah, of course that was his side of the story. he was not a particularly good teacher, but he knew his shit, re spatial data structures [23:29]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: for reference, samet was/is one of the maybe six sane and respectable profs in that dept [23:29]
asciilifeform in its entire history. [23:29]
mircea_popescu aha [23:29]
* asciilifeform blows dust off samizdat xerocopy of samet [23:29]
* asciilifeform blows dust off priceless original [23:30]
mircea_popescu << how the fuck did this become a thing anwyay [23:31]
assbot Logged on 09-08-2015 20:27:08; asciilifeform: (complain to gcc folks, not me. absolute path crud in just about everything...) [23:31]
mircea_popescu what even is "absolute path" [23:31]
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asciilifeform path that makes it break if you move or rename the dir. [23:32]
mircea_popescu no but i mean... wtf. [23:32]
asciilifeform as in, /home/schmuck/foo/bar/rotor/toolchain [23:32]
asciilifeform and yes, wtf [23:32]
asciilifeform hey, gcc doesn't expect to move. [23:32]
mircea_popescu << im starting to suspect reasonable linux never existed. it for a while looked like soon enough IT WILL. then it seamlessly switched to looking like for a while IT HAD. [23:32]
assbot Logged on 09-08-2015 20:31:28; asciilifeform: what happened to reasonable linux ? [23:32]
phf there's no guy debord for u.s. universities [23:33]
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mircea_popescu but the "here is" part somehow never occured. there's a 5-15 year overlap where the will and had overlap. [23:33]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: or like brezhnev's 'communism is coming in 1980' [23:33]
mircea_popescu aha [23:33]
asciilifeform 'Debord's first book, Mémoires, was bound with a sandpaper cover so that it would damage other books placed next to it.' << win [23:34]
mircea_popescu lol [23:35]
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mircea_popescu << i lolled. [23:37]
assbot Logged on 09-08-2015 21:19:32; jurov: simple, just screenshot+ocr [23:37]
asciilifeform aaaaaaaaand.... [23:38]
asciilifeform [23:38]
mircea_popescu lmao "Shazam" wtf. [23:38]
asciilifeform (first of new batch!) [23:38]
asciilifeform and can we mebbe get lobbesbot again ? [23:39]
mircea_popescu "2. Box: The online filing sharing company is poised to go public on Friday after a number of false starts. But Box recently revealed it suffered a $170 million loss in its latest year of results." [23:39]
mircea_popescu what the fuck lmao. "filesharing" ? it's not even a thing. [23:39]
asciilifeform << lol [23:39]
assbot Bundesministerium für Landesverteidigung und Sport - ... ( ) [23:39]
phf asciilifeform: you might enjoy reading his autobiography, Panegyric, [23:40]
assbot Panegyric. Volume I ... ( ) [23:40]
mats [23:40]
assbot BOX Interactive Stock Chart | Yahoo! Inc. Stock - Yahoo! Finance ... ( ) [23:40]
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asciilifeform gcd==12884901891; Herbert Saurugg ; Herbert Saurugg (aufgrund der Umstellung auf BMLVS - 2009) ; [23:41]
mircea_popescu nuts. [23:41]
mats 14 to 24.73 to 15.5, kek [23:43]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: can't speak for other distros, but the magic moment of gentoo beginning its slide into hitler's bunker is often said to be the time when the lead programmer went to work for microshit. [23:44]
mircea_popescu i can see it [23:44]
asciilifeform thus shattering the illusion that 'everything benefits from being written by folks with day jobs' and 'open source lives well on sunshine and kisses' [23:44]
mircea_popescu everything does benefit from being written by folks with day jobs. [23:45]
mircea_popescu it shouldn't be MANAGED by them, however. [23:45]
mircea_popescu the proof of the fact that people with dayjobs can't manage are the dayjobs in question. [23:46]
asciilifeform i regard it as far from proven fact that these are separable activities in software-making. [23:47]
mircea_popescu what'd the proof look like ? [23:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25839 @ 0.00061284 = 15.8352 BTC [-] [23:49]
asciilifeform say, example of 'good management' in that sphere that doesn't, when you scratch it, reveal itself to be a case of programming-with-human-compilers [23:50]
asciilifeform (a la steve jobs) [23:50]
asciilifeform or, alternatively, example some software artifact even vaguely worth using, to intelligent folks, that was ~produced under sound management~ [23:51]
mircea_popescu can anything in b-a qualify ? [23:52]
asciilifeform as opposed to, y'know, some idler who just felt like it. (unix, c, hell, lisp) [23:52]
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asciilifeform qualify as... ? [23:53]
asciilifeform as proof ? [23:53]
asciilifeform could. but none of the items i'm personally familiar with in depth do [23:53]
mircea_popescu as "sphere which..." [23:54]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: eulora, conceivably, but i don't know enough about how it was built, and precisely by whom, and to what kind of outcome, to say anything interesting [23:55]
mircea_popescu lol jesus help us, look here : [23:55]
assbot #Eulora log for Sunday, 2015-08-09 ... ( ) [23:55]
asciilifeform but thus far most of the software artifacts i personally see as making a computer worth using at all, were written by one (or handful) of people, and largely on stolen/embezzled employer time, and under no management whatsoever other than the 'emperor in their heads' [23:56]
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asciilifeform ^ not intended to imply that ~all~ items created this way are worth using [23:58]
asciilifeform after all, egg is not the only thing that comes out of a chicken.. [23:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1954 @ 0.00061194 = 1.1957 BTC [-] [23:58]
mircea_popescu management is a complicated thing. like persay robinson crusoe (as depicted by defoe) was certainly managed. [23:58]
asciilifeform how? [23:58]
mircea_popescu well, he follows a script he carried over (in his memory), which was given him by people, rather than discovered by him on his own time. [23:59]
asciilifeform if this is 'managed', then a brick falling is 'managed' [23:59]
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