Forum logs for 08 Mar 2016

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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mircea_popescu and in other news, treeforts! http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3t0uiZva01r4p8klo1_1280.jpg [00:18]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ypu459 ) [00:18]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: One nugget you may have missed in the log shitting is that weather permitting this week I will attempt to do the tree to stake conversion for the art [00:21]
mircea_popescu whassat ? [00:21]
BingoBoingo Well, there's a ~15-20 foot tree that grew up as a weed and was neglected. Before taking it all the way down will convert it to pointed stake as I believe alf suggested as an idea in much earlier discussion [00:22]
mircea_popescu lmao. [00:23]
mircea_popescu inb4 city fine for zoning violation. [00:24]
mircea_popescu but bonus points if you do conversion with really large pencil sharpener [00:24]
BingoBoingo Will only stay in that condition long enough to take a picture. [00:24]
BingoBoingo Was going to do it with arm powered crosscut saw, but probably picking up a reciprocating saw tomorrow. [00:25]
* BingoBoingo is getting old [00:25]
BingoBoingo Can't landscape amish style forever [00:25]
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asciilifeform betcha tepes had a giant sharpener. [00:26]
* BingoBoingo hasn't sharpened pencils with sharpener in a long time. [00:27]
hanbot BingoBoingo stick a ragdoll-Muhammad on it! [00:28]
BingoBoingo lol [00:28]
BingoBoingo someone around here prolly makes ragdoll muhammads [00:28]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2016#1426328 << mebbe he's zoned for impalement, l0l! [00:38]
assbot Logged on 08-03-2016 03:23:51; mircea_popescu: inb4 city fine for zoning violation. [00:38]
danielpbarron http://danielpbarron.com/pawns/ [00:40]
assbot pawns – Daniel P. Barron ... ( http://bit.ly/21UsGNi ) [00:40]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well just down the hill from here there is an arena where motor vehicles and farm equipment engage in gladatorial combat [00:41]
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BingoBoingo Anyways here the only zoning ordinances seriously enforced without neighbor complaints are those on commercial signage, because marketing sucks [00:44]
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TomServo Pretty disappointing show 'round here today. [00:59]
mod6 got that right [01:00]
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ben_vulpes TomServo: in what way? [01:18]
TomServo ben_vulpes: I'm not even sure where to start. [01:21]
TomServo Lotza motza balls hanging out there. [01:22]
BingoBoingo lol [01:24]
deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'No' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b148 [01:24]
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asciilifeform holy shit did nubbins` really put 10 on alphago ?! [01:29]
asciilifeform out of spite ?? [01:29]
asciilifeform (how does this work?) [01:29]
ben_vulpes [02:12:30] [mircea_popescu] so then, upon advice, i sent it separately. and it went through within half hour. AFTER WHICH somehow the txn was magically found, and… this time it wasn't dropped from mempool ? what changed since last week, mempool is even bigger now. << most underexamined line in this whole saga to date. [01:38]
ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-03-2016#1420397 << tastes great woth [01:38]
assbot Logged on 02-03-2016 18:06:28; mircea_popescu: you know how it sometimes happens that a platoon gets sent on a random patrol, ends up surprising a moving contingent of enemy, a flurry of radioing and reinforcing and whatnot happens and suddenly the front is in a new place ? [01:38]
ben_vulpes with* [01:38]
ben_vulpes *undeservedly underexamined* [01:39]
ben_vulpes what out-of-wot advice is this? and why send the wire twice instead of calling your drinking buddies who /use the same bank/ to ask if /their/ wires are in the habit of simply not showing up and what they've done in the past in the circumstances [01:41]
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ben_vulpes near as i can tell, mircea_popescu went to pop a mining cartel and only caught a sybil. [01:43]
ben_vulpes 'tis quite obvious why this had to be done with poor kakobrekla's property and not his own. [01:44]
asciilifeform apparently not ? [01:45]
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ben_vulpes bitbet's addresses are not so much public as waved eagerly to the world, and mpex' barely advertised, and i'd split my sides laughing at the notion there was only the one public mpex address [01:53]
trinque I think ben_vulpes has it [01:54]
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ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2016#1424673 << the "mp or bb coins" question is trivially answerable by walking the blockchain and bitbet. [02:04]
assbot Logged on 07-03-2016 15:11:17; nubbins`: did you guys also like how the 17 btc of mp's own money that he lost is going to be taken from shareholder dividends? [02:04]
ben_vulpes "what makes bitbet not fairlay" if i understand the kakobreka-ism [02:05]
ben_vulpes perhaps the cartel got away. perhaps someone else cares to bet against mircea_popescu's bitcoin prognostications. [02:06]
ben_vulpes ;;later tell nubbins` you're starting to sound a bit like tiberius! [02:15]
gribble The operation succeeded. [02:15]
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mod6 . [02:48]
mod6 oops [02:50]
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mircea_popescu haha, people are actually moving to new hampshire ? [02:51]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes> what out-of-wot advice is this? and why send the wire twice instead of calling your drinking buddies who /use the same bank/ to ask if /their/ wires are in the habit of simply not showing up and what they've done in the past in the circumstances <<< you don't mean my drinking buddies who a) would take ANY explanation just as long as it doesn't mean gotta get off ass and b) would not be willing, broadly spea [02:53]
mircea_popescu king, to spend just about enough to buy half a rifle to defend $item ? [02:53]
mircea_popescu at the rate this is going, bitbet actually needs to buy a significant pool, which would go for oh... 10-20k ? i guess ? [02:55]
mircea_popescu if the concern trolls in chan are in fact shareholders and to any degree representative for shareholder sentiment (which i deeply doubt, but w/e)... oy vey. [02:55]
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mircea_popescu one day s.mg is going to do somethingwild like i dunno, acquire a paper clip. watch out then. [02:56]
ben_vulpes shareholder sentiment seems most opinionated about s.mpoe [02:58]
ben_vulpes how did blowing the coins serve to defend bitbet? [02:59]
* ben_vulpes only a curious kourt klown [02:59]
ben_vulpes (couldn't possibly own stock, coins, can barely work a paste buffer much less gpg-tron, owns no real computers etc etc) [03:02]
ben_vulpes perhaps rifle cost is actually proportionate to value of $item! heck, a month like 7/15 would cover the loa^Hss. [03:04]
ben_vulpes or perhaps the bitbet rifle is proportionate to the value of $item were item btc. [03:05]
ben_vulpes and to beleabour the point, ka^H^Hbitbet the scouting party sacrificed to establish the new front. [03:07]
ben_vulpes but clearly these are all points that only dirigible captains may discuss over hawala shortwave. [03:08]
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mircea_popescu can discuss qs, waht's teh big deal. [04:31]
mircea_popescu ftr, "the color of money" is so fucking bad, tom cruise prolly wrote the screenplay. [04:33]
mircea_popescu twice. [04:33]
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deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 5.00000000 BTC on 'No' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b156 [07:01]
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punkman http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/search1/2603000000.html?cid=AEN20160308001300315 [07:42]
assbot Yonhap News Agency ... ( http://bit.ly/1RPMk4M ) [07:42]
punkman (from bbet comments) [07:42]
punkman "S. Korean Go player lowers expectations before facing Google AI" [07:43]
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deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 3.82075928 BTC on 'No' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b160 [08:34]
shinohai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2016#1426375 <<< I kek'd [08:55]
assbot Logged on 08-03-2016 05:15:34; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell nubbins` you're starting to sound a bit like tiberius! [08:55]
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mircea_popescu in other random lulz, i wake up to three notifications from various parties spread about the world that transfers sent yesterday have not made it. upon examination, it's three times the case that the fiat world has failed to move money in 30 to 40 hours. [10:19]
mircea_popescu such visa much wow this is good for fiat. [10:19]
mircea_popescu oh, and bonus lulz : http://dpaste.com/38CJTKK.txt [10:20]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1X9DXT8 ) [10:20]
shinohai ^ FUCKIN LOL [10:20]
shinohai mircea_popescu can be an Indonesian plantation Lord [10:21]
mircea_popescu if they weren't so short. [10:22]
asciilifeform meanwhile... [10:22]
asciilifeform makeinfo --force -o guile-procedures.txt guile-procedures.texi || test -f guile-procedures.txt [10:22]
asciilifeform /bin/sh: line 1: 3309 Segmentation fault makeinfo --force -o guile-procedures.txt guile-procedures.texi [10:22]
asciilifeform Makefile:2567: recipe for target 'guile-procedures.txt' failed [10:22]
asciilifeform phhhreeeee as in fleaaadom !1111 [10:22]
thestringpuller power outage knocked node offline. happy birthday to me :( [10:23]
mircea_popescu wait, so guile doesn't actually build ?! [10:23]
asciilifeform aha. [10:23]
asciilifeform blocks 1,001 other proggies, too [10:23]
asciilifeform (e.g., geda) [10:23]
mircea_popescu ... [10:23]
mircea_popescu clearly you must need an upgrade. [10:23]
shinohai I hope you didn't experience the same catastrophe I did thestringpuller [10:23]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this ~was~ upgrade. now will have to blacklist versions of 1,001 things. [10:24]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller were you noding@home ? [10:24]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform nah, just upgrade everything. [10:24]
mircea_popescu twice, to be sure. [10:24]
asciilifeform this ~was~ an 'upgrade everything, twice' [10:24]
mircea_popescu so do more of it. [10:24]
asciilifeform the most rational hatred of gentoo comes from folks who ask 'how do i freeze' [10:24]
asciilifeform because - you can't [10:24]
mircea_popescu ahahaha [10:24]
asciilifeform it is this amorphous amoebic dysentry. [10:24]
mircea_popescu so why would i want to run it ? [10:24]
asciilifeform you probably wouldn't ? [10:25]
mircea_popescu you keep making me think i would! [10:25]
asciilifeform well, this might be because there is not actually a usable other linux. [10:25]
mircea_popescu "son, don't you want to marry this woman ?" "notrly." "well, you should!" "really ?" "yeah. except she's ugly." "well then ?" "but the other women are even uglier." "dad, you're really doing a bum job here." [10:26]
asciilifeform 'the other women are goats with makeup on' [10:26]
asciilifeform which - they are. [10:26]
asciilifeform there is precisely one woman on the island. [10:26]
asciilifeform and she is from BingoBoingo's photos. [10:26]
mircea_popescu i'm still not marrying fugly. [10:26]
asciilifeform complete with gangrene. [10:26]
asciilifeform 'tis that, or fucking holes you auger in the earth yourself. [10:27]
asciilifeform which is prolly what comes next, for all of us. [10:27]
asciilifeform this, or to plant the coveted cunt-turnip. [10:27]
mircea_popescu seems altogether likely. [10:27]
* asciilifeform bbl [10:28]
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PeterL http://qntra.net/2016/03/a-miner-problem/#comment-48144 [10:40]
assbot A Miner Problem | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1X9HdxL ) [10:40]
jurov when i tested my mempool hack, I just dropped any priority requirements to have mempool filled quickly. I was surprised there were quite a few spammy tx that neither blockexplorer even knew of. [10:44]
mircea_popescu what do you mean neither ? there's ~500 various web explorers. [10:46]
mircea_popescu you actually traced them to the same two nodes ? [10:46]
jurov traced what? [10:46]
mircea_popescu lemme rephrase. "there are more web-based blockexplorer than two. why do you say neither." [10:47]
jurov i just checked in blockchain, blockr, and some 2-3 others [10:48]
mircea_popescu ah kk [10:49]
mircea_popescu by and large web based ones have to prune very narrowly because well... memory. [10:50]
mircea_popescu i vaguely recall some discussion about running a b-a one, maybe last year. [10:50]
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PeterL B-A needs own: block explorer, keyserver, mining pool, server host, OS, chip fab, etc [10:59]
mircea_popescu seems altogether likely the whole keyserver model is getting eaten into g. [11:00]
PeterL also: gossipd implementation, pgp implementation, bitcoin implementation, kramer-shoop implementation, lisp implementation, c compiler, etc [11:02]
mircea_popescu pgp prolly also merging into g. [11:03]
mircea_popescu c compiler i suppose will have ~0 chances of happening, the horsies are pulling towards lisp. [11:04]
mircea_popescu and truly there's no good reason to even justify chip fab if you're not going to do something that radical. [11:04]
mircea_popescu and since i'd rather include the chip fab, ima support the horsies being radical. [11:04]
mircea_popescu but yes, the republic is currently short about twenty to fifty billion in filthy fiats and a few thousand to thirty million engineer hours, depending who's counting the hours. not depending on who's hiring the engineers tho, you ~can't hire for this. [11:05]
mircea_popescu which, in the grand scheme of things, is perfectly reasonable. argentina spends about that every coupla years and has ~icecream and steak to show for it. [11:06]
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mircea_popescu to borrow a cristina-ism, "el proyecto nacional!!11" [11:18]
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deedbot- [Trilema] The color of money - http://trilema.com/2016/the-color-of-money/ [11:45]
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-assbot- You voiced dicecoin for 30 minutes. [11:56]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2016#1426496 << 'p'. [13:04]
assbot Logged on 08-03-2016 14:03:21; mircea_popescu: pgp prolly also merging into g. [13:04]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2016#1426493 << block explorers as centralized www servers are retarded. [13:05]
assbot Logged on 08-03-2016 13:59:36; PeterL: B-A needs own: block explorer, keyserver, mining pool, server host, OS, chip fab, etc [13:05]
asciilifeform yes, it is nice to link to a block or tx. [13:05]
asciilifeform but the link should be to LOCAL wwwtronic thing. [13:05]
asciilifeform as in, on YOUR box. [13:05]
asciilifeform blockchain means they all agree (or they do not, in which case you know that you have plague and when to put on the beak mask) [13:06]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2016#1426499 << mircea_popescu found a chip fab between his sofa cushions yet ? [13:08]
assbot Logged on 08-03-2016 14:04:37; mircea_popescu: and since i'd rather include the chip fab, ima support the horsies being radical. [13:08]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform my idea being that whatever you call it, both g and this p will be running a lot of common code in the cyrpto [13:25]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform mircea_popescu found a chip fab between his sofa cushions yet ? << i don't have enough money to outright do this. if i had, i'd be outright doing this. [13:26]
mircea_popescu but as it is, i'm at best useful as a seed. tho from years of reading the logs it's apparent to me seed-cultural is actually a lot more sorely needed than seed-capital, but that's aside. [13:27]
mircea_popescu and fwiw, i doubt anyone has the money, or had, in the past century. we're talking 50bn turkey dollars here. gates can, at most, make a foundation to greenhouse little hussein bahamas out in africa. [13:28]
asciilifeform makes sense. [13:28]
asciilifeform it would have to begin with time rented on ordinary fab, or the like. [13:29]
asciilifeform and the item would, in all likelihood, have to be an fpga. (that can be sold to heathens) [13:30]
asciilifeform i find the TOTAL absence of documented fpga on the planet , to be interesting. [13:31]
asciilifeform it is like a gaping black hole in your living room [13:31]
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asciilifeform it is, what used to be called 'strategic good' [13:32]
asciilifeform (usg recently jailed some schmuck for 'exporting secret' of fpga.) [13:32]
deedbot- [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The Aviator and the flying Apple TV. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/03/08/the-aviator-and-the-flying-apple-tv/ [13:33]
mircea_popescu heh. [13:34]
mircea_popescu with any luck, trump wins the election, we get 99 year lease on ft meade and martial law ten miles around the perimeter. [13:34]
asciilifeform l0l [13:34]
mircea_popescu what ? makes a lot more sense than half his platform, not to mention all the others. [13:35]
asciilifeform what next, zhirinovsky wins in ru ?! [13:38]
asciilifeform t is exactly him [13:39]
asciilifeform and was grown for the same purpose. [13:39]
mircea_popescu purpose and history don't mix well [13:39]
mircea_popescu historically speaking. [13:39]
jurov nubbins for president! [13:39]
mircea_popescu hitler, also "grown" for "purpose". ask that pappen baffoon [13:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.0005259 = 16.1977 BTC [-] {2} [13:39]
asciilifeform man in his 70s is automatically a von papen, and not a hitler [13:40]
mircea_popescu this was true before the age of machine-enabled decay. recall the "90 yos get together to establish what 80 yos should retire" thing ? [13:41]
asciilifeform i suppose he'd make an ok brezhnev. [13:41]
mircea_popescu or yeltsin. [13:41]
mircea_popescu time for the us to surrender to the republic. [13:42]
mircea_popescu well, it's been time for years now, but the chinese ain't going away. [13:42]
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mircea_popescu and in other sexploitation news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/4572f58ef5a45c41c06a1edde2fd8c59/tumblr_mex4w12aH01qlne6uo1_1280.jpg [13:49]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1LbwuSQ ) [13:49]
PeterL asciilifeform are there currently any self-run block explorer programs? [13:50]
asciilifeform not afaik [13:50]
asciilifeform and certainly not trbtronic ones. [13:51]
PeterL would it be hard to make? [13:51]
asciilifeform unless phf finished his and forgot to say [13:51]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83000 @ 0.00052531 = 43.6007 BTC [-] {7} [13:53]
asciilifeform PeterL: not so hard, but the reasonable thing to make it in would be shiva [13:53]
asciilifeform and it needs some work [13:53]
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PeterL hi nubbins` [13:54]
assbot Successfully added a rating of -1 for hanbot with note: nobody. doesn't belong here. [13:55]
asciilifeform hey nubbins` [13:55]
asciilifeform notmuch.txt [13:55]
asciilifeform i forgot, what did nubbins` have against hanbot [13:56]
deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.99800000 BTC on 'Yes' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b166 [13:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00052507 = 5.4082 BTC [-] {3} [13:58]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2016#1426568 << iirc she runs mpif. [13:59]
assbot Logged on 08-03-2016 16:56:31; nubbins`: then i realized that she doesn't do anything, and thought it odd she's on the lordship list [13:59]
PeterL she runs one of the mpif parts [13:59]
asciilifeform (and before this, was 'mpoepr' [13:59]
asciilifeform ) [13:59]
asciilifeform so hanbot is more assetronic than, e.g., asciilifeform. [14:00]
assbot MPIF (F.MPIF) February 2016 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LbxHJQ ) [14:00]
PeterL uhh, did asciilifeform forget about s.nsa? [14:00]
PeterL * raises hand [14:01]
PeterL they are certainly sitting on lots of cash [14:02]
asciilifeform PeterL: assetronic is a thing [14:03]
PeterL I think you missvalue yourself on this scale [14:03]
asciilifeform i mean something very specific [14:03]
PeterL could you define it better then? [14:04]
asciilifeform i don't have an mpex account; am powerless to move so much as one share of anything; etc. [14:04]
asciilifeform have ~0 btc. [14:04]
PeterL you have a weird way of measuring things [14:04]
asciilifeform and my understanding to this day is that most #b-a folks originally appeared here because they were involved with one of these things [14:05]
trinque "oh, I'm only busy reinventing every piece of software and hardware this nascent cryptoculture needs to survive" [14:05]
trinque lol [14:05]
asciilifeform trinque: not so far off. [14:06]
PeterL and you don't see how what you do affects everybody else here? [14:06]
trinque I respectfully tip my hat to the burden of having seen far further than one can walk (at least yet) [14:06]
asciilifeform trinque: i was explaining to nubbins` et al that hanbot, whom he dislikes, is actually more of a proper 'asseteer' than i, whom he seems to respect. [14:06]
asciilifeform ty trinque. [14:06]
asciilifeform anyway i do not know hanbot very well, cannot speak for hanbot. [14:07]
asciilifeform nubbins`: she wrote a spiffy story, [14:08]
asciilifeform !s shall be delivered [14:08]
assbot 46 results for 'shall be delivered' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=shall+be+delivered [14:08]
asciilifeform nubbins`: iirc the present tense is mostly re: eulora, about which i know ~0. [14:09]
asciilifeform so i am powerless to help. [14:09]
asciilifeform am i the last one who isn't obsessed with hunting for folks to throw out of the lordship thing >? [14:10]
PeterL should the lordship be so stringently policed? [14:11]
asciilifeform nubbins`: did mircea_popescu ever answer your deedbotted grievance thing ? [14:12]
PeterL did mircea_popescu ever say how his bitcoin handles conflicting transactions? [14:13]
asciilifeform PeterL: not iirc [14:13]
PeterL I guess it got missed in all the shouting [14:14]
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asciilifeform the ~only thing i know about mpb is that 1) it is roughly compatible with 0.6 and 2) he fixed the db locks bug years ago, and shared with me the patch, a while back, and it is in trb [14:14]
asciilifeform nubbins`: from rereading the log, you can see that mircea_popescu considers the 17 btc to be a justified cost-of-war thing. [14:15]
asciilifeform he was driving the tank, and it got hit. [14:16]
PeterL today is presidential primary here in mich, I havn't decided how to vote, half tempted to write in Rand Paul as a protest against all the idiots still running [14:17]
asciilifeform vermin supreme! [14:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59834 @ 0.00052618 = 31.4835 BTC [+] {2} [14:18]
asciilifeform and wtf, i oppose throwing folks who are still in the battlefield, out of the lordship, srsly [14:19]
danielpbarron if mich is like conn, he can't vote vermin supreme if he was otherwise going to vote rand [14:20]
PeterL no, in Michigan they give us a ballot with both parties and we get to pick wich one we vote on [14:21]
asciilifeform nubbins`: mrreauw. [14:21]
danielpbarron aha, here in Connecticut if you're registered republican you can't vote in democratic primary and vice versa [14:21]
asciilifeform ftr nubbins` has a first-class cat. [14:21]
danielpbarron i ran into this problem in 2012 when i wanted to vote for Ron Paul [14:21]
PeterL in michigan we don't even register as a party [14:21]
asciilifeform nubbins`: prolly not. [14:23]
asciilifeform but i also think that mircea_popescu explained his pov pretty well. [14:24]
asciilifeform which was, approx., 'i drive the tank and if you don't like how, find another' [14:24]
PeterL so, as I have been watching my trb node sync the past three months (am I the only person who thinks this takes way too long?) it seems like it spends alot of time trying to connect to nodes and timing out? [14:25]
danielpbarron it's not clear that Mircea is wrong. It's not clear kako agrees he's wrong. As for the others going along with your rabble rousing, that only makes me suspicious of them. [14:26]
asciilifeform nubbins`: it is difficult to have a useful discussion in the midst of 'your mother eats electric eeels. -- no YOUR mother. .. etc' [14:26]
trinque asciilifeform: aha [14:26]
trinque deedbot-: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/d66ee247-5d4d-4328-b08a-fcba4a6b2f48/?raw=true [14:27]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1RyuxMR ) [14:27]
deedbot- accepted: 1 [14:27]
trinque nubbins`: ^ deed address generator [14:27]
danielpbarron and what is this, the non violent language center? who cares if someone used an "ad hominem" already. In my experience, uses of this term are stupid. [14:27]
danielpbarron what's next I'm gonna cite private conversations with God? [14:28]
trinque curl -s http://deedbot.org/bundle-401626.txt | python gen-addr.py [14:28]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1RyuIbf ) [14:28]
trinque 1KDzk3vd7TeXtgA3PRY6xyz2qBodPVkPTx [14:28]
jurov danielpbarron: you already did, numerous times [14:28]
danielpbarron oh yeah? where's that? [14:29]
asciilifeform nubbins`: did kako sign the bbet-is-sad letter ? [14:29]
asciilifeform because i don't remember seeing his sig on it [14:29]
trinque as for my perspective, the tools either work or they don't. the WoT, deedbot, forum, so on, sorts itself or doesn't. [14:29]
asciilifeform nubbins`: let's see if we can agree re: what the dispute is properly about [14:30]
asciilifeform presently i think it was about how bbet is run. [14:30]
asciilifeform bbet specifically. [14:31]
PeterL is #b-a run, or does it just kinda go by itself? [14:31]
asciilifeform and from my reading of the listing article, it appears to very clearly imply that it is mircea_popescu's thing and he can take the ball and go home, etc. [14:31]
jurov asciilifeform: there's the simple question, if sending zerofee tx is acting "in good faith", that #b-a forum could answer [14:32]
asciilifeform but i don't recall nubbins` being sad since day1 [14:32]
danielpbarron so then there is no problem by your own admission nubbins` [14:32]
PeterL so the only recourse shareholders have is to sell if they disagree with his decisions, maybe they could have brought suit for negligence before the rota when that was a thing? [14:32]
danielpbarron nubbins`> the listing agreement clearly states that at any time MP wishes, he can liquidate S.BBET via MPEx << QED. STFU [14:33]
asciilifeform incidentally, i am not seeing a bbet shareholder stampede [14:33]
danielpbarron there was a little bit of selling, i was on the recieving end of it [14:34]
PeterL there was some selling the past couple days [14:34]
jurov asciilifeform: the price fell by 40% last month [14:34]
PeterL some of the smaller bids were removed from the orderbook, but the big ones are still there [14:34]
asciilifeform nubbins`: i do not agree that the 17 was 'personal expense.' [14:34]
danielpbarron that's not true jurov [14:34]
asciilifeform this is the part where i part from nubbins`'s interp. [14:35]
asciilifeform so i do not see the ' mircea_popescu is cheating people ' angle. [14:35]
danielpbarron there hasn't been nearly enough volume on S.BBET to claim any sort of price falling, except for about a year ago when 10 or so bitcoin worth brought it from the 40s to the teens [14:35]
trinque in the absence of assets it seems the only way to keep bbet running [14:36]
trinque this even assuming that it was entirely a mistake and so on [14:36]
asciilifeform i could see a ' bbet shareholders believe that bbet is mismanaged ' angle, but ~it is THEIR business~ and not mine, and their one option is to get off the bus, as per the articles. [14:36]
danielpbarron 10 btc is nothing [14:36]
trinque faced with "shut bitbet down" or "gift bitbet the funds to keep running" or "loan them", what's the right thing to do? [14:36]
danielpbarron there is no right thing. It's Mircea's thing like it or not [14:37]
trinque companies make errors that cost money, either due to their own mistakes or externalities; that's life [14:37]
PeterL bbet makes like 1-10 btc per month, it might still be overpriced [14:37]
asciilifeform nubbins`: do you understand the essence of what mircea_popescu said to you ? about 'rabble rousing' ? [14:38]
asciilifeform 'rabbling' is a Bad Thing and subtracts from otherwise good argument. [14:38]
jurov good arguments went unheard [14:39]
asciilifeform bbet is not demoocracy-powered and won't turn into it no matter how many tears. [14:39]
assbot #bitcoin-assets rules and regulations on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1k32ZX6 ) [14:39]
danielpbarron nubbins`, you sound like a redditard [14:39]
danielpbarron "do you disagree that X's corrosive attitude is a Bad Thing and subtracts from Y" is like a USG memo card for filipino spammers [14:40]
trinque there's a difference between offending someone with the truth as a matter of tactics, and doing it to the exclusion of sense [14:40]
asciilifeform let's imagine i agreed with nubbins` now. [14:40]
asciilifeform what am i to ~do~ ? [14:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58200 @ 0.00052619 = 30.6243 BTC [+] [14:40]
asciilifeform i don't even own bbet stock [14:40]
asciilifeform and if i did, the stock doesn't even vote. [14:41]
asciilifeform i could... sell it. [14:41]
asciilifeform this stock, that i never had. [14:41]
PeterL you could short the stock? [14:41]
asciilifeform sold! [imaginary stock, for imaginary coin.] satisfied ? [14:41]
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jurov asciilifeform: so if i have an opinion about a fraud that does not directyl concern mne, i should stay silent? cuz this is not a democracy? [14:42]
jurov hanbot was not directly involved in many frauds, but raising hell from her is wseen as good and proper [14:42]
trinque define fraud in the context of an unregistered corporation, and what the recourse shall be under no laws which define fraud? [14:43]
trinque sell and negrate. [14:43]
trinque that's it [14:43]
danielpbarron so go start a forum thread [14:44]
danielpbarron not this time of year no [14:45]
jurov trinque so, i'll throw your funds at coinbr by sending around zerofee tx, malformed mpex requests, etc. you'll only negrate me and do nothing else? [14:45]
trinque what is the else? [14:45]
jurov being loud at the forum [14:46]
trinque I haven't negrated anyone for being loud! [14:46]
danielpbarron jurov, i don't see the relation. shareholders of bbet never had an expection to control what happens with bbet funds [14:46]
jurov you have control over your coinbr funds? how? [14:47]
PeterL danielpbarron they have an expectation that their funds will be used with fiduciary integrity [14:47]
danielpbarron well isn't that the expectation? the whole point of the broker is to hold the funds, and place the orders on my behalf.. [14:47]
danielpbarron i don't agree there was any fraud [14:48]
ben_vulpes jurov: how frequently do mpex withdrawals go out with 0-fee txns? [14:48]
danielpbarron i said i was ok with what he ended up doing, ~before~ he did it [14:49]
PeterL danielpbarron if mircea_popescu had sent the funds to his wallet and spent them on hookers and blow, would that count as fraud or would you let him asses that as "the cost of doing business"? [14:50]
jurov ben_vulpes: mpex withdrawals don't come into picture, my withdrawals would, if i sent them zerofee [14:50]
danielpbarron when that bbet february statement came out, i read it and breathed a sigh of relief, not knowing how controversial it apparently was [14:50]
ben_vulpes nubbins`: and what precisely the claim's root? that mircea_popescu paid twice? that the funds were his and the loan a breach of contract? [14:50]
danielpbarron PeterL, i've never run a business, i don't know if those things are needed or what [14:51]
jurov and the picture is, that some people think that bitbet's funds are at full disposal of mircea_popescu and he can send zerofee tx and all is okay... while coinbr, somehow can not, because "broker"? [14:51]
ben_vulpes ah well that's trivially answerable is it not? [14:51]
ben_vulpes nubbins`: well i do but that's a special case. [14:52]
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ben_vulpes nubbins`: some perl. [14:52]
ben_vulpes i know i know. [14:52]
PeterL for the record, I view it as a stupid mistake on mp's part, not fraud, so I am fine with having sold my shares I will just let things be [14:53]
trinque but that's entirely relevant; management/owners *do* get to make those kinds of decisions [14:53]
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trinque insofar as an agreement between the owners defines such things [14:53]
danielpbarron i don't agree with the stupid mistake hypothesis either [14:54]
PeterL think of it this way: guy makes a bad investment and loses money for his firm, does he have to personally repay it or does the company take the loss? [14:54]
trinque "I unilaterally decided to loan the company X amount emergency funds to keep the lights on." << this is not unheard of, if the officer who made the decision had the power to do so [14:54]
jurov PeterL: that's question of good faith [14:54]
jurov is sending zerofee tx acting in good faith? [14:55]
ben_vouspes PeterL: ah, that's simple! traders get fired as soon as they mean revert. [14:55]
danielpbarron trinque, and since the alternative was apparently liquidating bbet shares at 0.00001 btc per share, it's absurd that anyone arguing in favor of this outcome has the shareholders interests at heart [14:55]
trinque perhaps, how so? [14:55]
PeterL he did have a loan from MPIF in the past (to cover a previous mistake), so bitbet having a loan has precedence [14:55]
trinque *precedent [14:56]
ben_vouspes weeeel, previous mistake was overpaying investors not double-paying bettors, was it not? [14:56]
PeterL it was an overpayment, yes, just like this is an overpayment [14:56]
PeterL should he ask the bettors to refund the money? [14:57]
danielpbarron i'm curious what would be the argument today if there had never been a transaction B, and transactions A1-An were still nowhere to be found.. [14:57]
PeterL danielpbarron we would be asking him to talk to a miner and have the txn included in a block [14:58]
danielpbarron at what cost? [14:58]
danielpbarron apparently any cost >0 would be fraud.. [14:58]
jurov danielpbarron: miner would ask much less than 17btc, dontcha think? [14:59]
danielpbarron yeah that's a non-starter [14:59]
PeterL if the cost is worth the reputation of bitbet paying out thier winnings, then he should pay it [14:59]
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danielpbarron i thought this was a principled stand. Now it's just that 17 was too much to pay? [14:59]
danielpbarron as have you. [15:00]
asciilifeform i think nubbins` was arguing that sending tx b. was sinful. [15:00]
asciilifeform because of where its inputs had to have come from. [15:00]
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PeterL I would say getting the bets paid is not worth 17 btc [15:00]
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mircea_popescu lol check it out, still with this ? [15:01]
danielpbarron incidently it's none of our places to say what it was worth [15:01]
* mircea_popescu shudders to think what happens if a woman tells nubbins off or something [15:01]
asciilifeform nubbins` also seems to be arguing that he has some sort of vote in how bbet is run ? [15:01]
asciilifeform or ought to ? or what. [15:01]
asciilifeform and hey there's mircea_popescu . [15:01]
PeterL if i send the light company $100 cash in the mail because i think my employer is behind on their bills, but it turns out they weren't and everything was just fine, i wouldn't expect my employer to give my $100 back. << you would expect the power company to refund you [15:01]
mircea_popescu really... could we conduct the nutso convention on tardstalk, reddit or whatever usual venue ? [15:01]
jurov mircea_popescu: only if hanbot argues against fraudsters as usual [15:02]
PeterL as a lucky bettor, I would be willing to refund the extra winnings, minus a "processing fee" [15:03]
mircea_popescu she may be open for hire, inquire with her. [15:04]
shinohai https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycKNt0MhTkk [15:04]
assbot Monty Python - Spam - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1RyyJw7 ) [15:04]
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jurov lel can i imagine how would hanbot go if nefario, inaba or anyone billed such "expenses" to their shareholders [15:04]
danielpbarron PeterL, this is like the "I would gladly pay higher taxes" argument. So go, pay. Make a gracious donation. [15:04]
shinohai yup [15:04]
mircea_popescu jurov plox to quote rather than imagine. this imagination hasn't served you well in the past, won't start to at any point. [15:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72176 @ 0.00052466 = 37.8679 BTC [-] {6} [15:05]
mircea_popescu but by and large, the problem seems to be that either throgh simple immersion, or sheer intellectual laziness, or a mix or whatever, lots and lots of people have SERIOIS [15:05]
mircea_popescu problems getting out of the fiat garbage. [15:05]
mircea_popescu which is fine - but i also don't and won't entertain any of it. [15:05]
asciilifeform i think i have an accurate model tho. (which is 'bbet is mircea_popescu's toy, he can take ball and go home if he wants') [15:06]
mircea_popescu yes, lordlist was seeded, like everything else (bitcoin included) with very low effort , and very low bars, which is how people like nubbins made it in. this is both fine and the right thing. [15:06]
asciilifeform why does he need pass from me, l0l [15:06]
PeterL nubbins` also seems to be arguing that he has some sort of vote in how bbet is run ? << the beauty of publicly published financials is that we can call out things we thing are misrepresented [15:06]
mircea_popescu as time goes on, the bar raises, and many/most/whatever can't cope. [15:06]
mircea_popescu this is also expected. [15:06]
mircea_popescu PeterL not in those terms. [15:07]
asciilifeform nubbins`: as you know, i very frequently disagree with him. you could prolly make a whole book of these. [15:07]
mircea_popescu the beauty of the internet generally is that otherwise unemployable bits of social refuse can offer their unsolicited takes on things. [15:07]
mircea_popescu if the people who matter think anything of it, it may see the life of day. if not... a well. [15:07]
PeterL mircea_popescu but clearly there is the expectation that people inside your WoT will say something if they think your report is wrong [15:09]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2016/the-greatly-anticipated-bitbet-sbbet-february-2016-statement/#comment-116734 << check it out, moar impersonations ? [15:09]
assbot The greatly anticipated BitBet (S.BBET) February 2016 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ryzbug ) [15:09]
mircea_popescu PeterL aha. [15:09]
mircea_popescu the matter to be resolved exactly one of two ways : fixing the report or fixing the wot. [15:10]
mircea_popescu we had an idiocy of ~this caliber back about three-four years ago, which newcomers particularly bored and people without anything to do are invited to read. [15:10]
mircea_popescu at that point, i was trying to get a court system off the ground, similarly with random people as judges. [15:11]
asciilifeform rota? [15:11]
mircea_popescu traditionally, in the common law at least, the jury is the trier of fact ; with the judge establishing the legal meaning of those facts. [15:11]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform aha. [15:11]
mircea_popescu this system worked more or less for a while, which is to say up to maybe the 1920s. back then people had some sort of relation to reality. [15:11]
mircea_popescu it broke down, because by now social consensus is the principal guide for people. and so... the trier of fact established some sort of social consensus and was very surprised when my reaction was to simply disolve it. [15:12]
mircea_popescu because apparently i don't know how the world works, and haven't properly groked the memo about how "reality is enacted by convention" or somesuch. [15:12]
asciilifeform nubbins`: dead pilots in the '30s-'40s were sometimes found with the control joystick literally torn from its moorings. they pulled against jammed flight surfaces and physically destroyed the stick. it did not help. [15:13]
PeterL mircea_popescu if you were to start rota now, what would you do differently? [15:13]
mircea_popescu i would not consider unqualified people. [15:13]
mircea_popescu but now i have the ~option~ to do this. back then, i didn't. [15:13]
mircea_popescu construction, willy-nilly, proceeds on scaffolding. [15:13]
mircea_popescu which yes, is essentially flotsam. [15:13]
asciilifeform nubbins`: at least try leaving the joystick attached. [15:14]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i don't see how it's not fully torn, but hey, maybe just me. [15:15]
asciilifeform nubbins`: if kako disagrees with mp, i expect that he will put this in writing and sign ? [15:16]
asciilifeform rather than play 'telephone' [15:16]
asciilifeform so then. [15:16]
asciilifeform wait for him to wake up ? [15:16]
asciilifeform i can see this with naked eye, sure. [15:18]
assbot Logged on 07-03-2016 16:31:53; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2016#1424891 < this is not so. it was not bitbet experience (for example i was not even aware of any of it) and publishing your interpretation on qntra does not assert absolute truth, it just tells everyone who reads it what you think. [15:19]
asciilifeform also nubbins` seems to be painting kakobrekla as a helpless pet of mircea_popescu ? [15:19]
asciilifeform i do not think kakobrekla would agree. [15:20]
asciilifeform nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2016#1426933 << ? [15:20]
assbot Logged on 08-03-2016 18:14:50; nubbins`: begged me not to humiliate mp, so that bbet could continue [15:20]
mircea_popescu so i've been looking for some sort of color revolution pronz to go with this derpy maidan thing, and the best i could find is i guess http://40.media.tumblr.com/9e888de5dbac8d7017d4e4af24cf0fe9/tumblr_meti8qPtdL1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg [15:21]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/24OMNLP ) [15:21]
mircea_popescu will hafta do. [15:21]
asciilifeform nubbins`: i don't even have a dog in the fight, understand this. [15:22]
asciilifeform nubbins`: you had bbet stock, no ? [15:23]
asciilifeform hm [15:23]
PeterL it has more revenue than S.NSA [15:23]
hanbot at the rate this is going, i'd almost rather be sent back to the forum, honestly. [15:24]
mircea_popescu ;;seen phf [15:26]
gribble phf was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 11 hours, 16 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: "experimental" forms to compensate for lack of rigour. [15:26]
mircea_popescu i wonder what happened to him. [15:26]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: he's been gone for longer, before. [15:26]
mircea_popescu yeh. i got this feeling he was hatching somerthing. [15:26]
asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/patches << still up. [15:27]
asciilifeform so prolly not dead. [15:27]
assbot trb ... ( http://bit.ly/1SP5343 ) [15:27]
asciilifeform nubbins`: all shares are fish-hooks? you're a 'jam today' kinda fella ? [15:28]
asciilifeform nubbins`: do you think it would have made a difference to me, if i had been paid $12k ? [15:31]
asciilifeform for one thing, usg would take ~half. and that would buy, wahat, a month of time. [15:31]
asciilifeform which i'd mostly have to spend looking for new work. [15:31]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what's severances like these days, for non-monkey non-management sorta jobs ? is it true, ibm offer ~what everyone really gets, coupla k's an a lolipop ? [15:32]
asciilifeform and also try to understand mircea_popescu's very valid observation re: how turning people into salarymen lowers them into pederasty. [15:32]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: variable. but there is a boojum! typically you have to sign 'noncompete' to get the severance. and you have to be sacked, can't leave on own free will. and the sacking can't be 'for cause', etc, etc. [15:33]
asciilifeform lotta crud. [15:33]
mircea_popescu iirc cali didn't uphold noncompetes for professional folk. [15:33]
asciilifeform 3 mo. of wage, is typical. [15:33]
asciilifeform cali, aha. [15:33]
asciilifeform permitted elsewhere. [15:33]
mircea_popescu if that still stands as good law. [15:33]
asciilifeform iirc it does. [15:34]
fluffypony http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~stolfi/EXPORT/projects/bitcoin/posts/2015-06-10-my-sofa-is-a-sidechain/main.html [15:35]
assbot My Sofa is a Sidechain ... ( http://bit.ly/1RyBZYk ) [15:35]
fluffypony Jorge Stolfi at his best [15:36]
asciilifeform fluffypony: blatant rip of http://www.loper-os.org/?p=405 [15:36]
assbot Loper OS » The Simplest Lisp Machine ... ( http://bit.ly/1OU3ZpG ) [15:36]
fluffypony sure, but what if that's just a blatant rip off of this: https://goo.gl/rpnkFP [15:38]
assbot Pet Rock - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1RyCdio ) [15:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68700 @ 0.00052636 = 36.1609 BTC [+] {4} [15:40]
PeterL asciilifeform would it have made a difference if you were paid $120k? [15:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14988 @ 0.00052434 = 7.8588 BTC [-] {2} [15:41]
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assbot The Lordship list, third year. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/24OPOMi ) [15:48]
mats the drama continues [15:51]
PeterL mpif is run by mircea_popescu, hanbot only does the throwing coins at bitbet part [15:51]
assbot F.MPIF on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/24OQmBG ) [15:53]
PeterL just a sec, I'll find it eventually [15:53]
shinohai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2016#1427033 <<< wanna buy some S.POPCORN shares ? [15:53]
assbot Logged on 08-03-2016 18:50:50; mats: the drama continues [15:53]
PeterL http://thewhet.net/2016/line-betting-on-bitbet-january-2016/ [15:54]
assbot Line betting on BitBet, January 2016 | The Whet ... ( http://bit.ly/24OQxgg ) [15:54]
PeterL I don't see one for february [15:55]
PeterL all-time loss at 3.40250561 [15:55]
assbot MPIF (F.MPIF) January 2016 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/24OQCRk ) [15:55]
PeterL usually it is there as a small change in the total assets [15:56]
jurov she publishes that on thewhet.net [15:56]
PeterL http://trilema.com/2016/mpif-fmpif-january-2016-statement/ cash +1.27... tangibles -2.0 [15:57]
assbot MPIF (F.MPIF) January 2016 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/24OQCRk ) [15:57]
PeterL I guess no bets made or resolved in feb [15:58]
PeterL right, now you get it, serious stuff [15:58]
PeterL should take about 20 seconds a month [15:58]
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PeterL perhaps the betting strategy should be revised? [15:59]
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PeterL but there should still be a statement for february, even if it just a signed statement "no bets made or resolved in February" [16:01]
mircea_popescu fluffypony is this some sort of dig at monero or something ? [16:03]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: which thing? [16:03]
mircea_popescu i dunno, stolfi's nonsense. [16:03]
fluffypony no, it's a review of the Bitcoin Sidechains whitepaper [16:03]
fluffypony this one: https://blockstream.com/sidechains.pdf [16:04]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1RyESbT ) [16:04]
mircea_popescu oh oh. [16:04]
fluffypony best read consecutively or in conjunction [16:04]
mircea_popescu bah, talk of a good idea badly executed. why is this schmuck so humourless ? [16:05]
mircea_popescu "As for requirement [4], my sofa may have bugs, such as mites, spiders, or maybe even fleas. However, I have found no evidence on the web that such invertebrates have the power to cause theft of anything, much less theft of digital assets on other sidechains." [16:05]
mircea_popescu i... get it. ok. very funny. sigh. [16:05]
PeterL http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-03-2016#1419958 [16:12]
assbot Logged on 02-03-2016 04:52:38; hanbot: hey mircea_popescu, is it okay if i defer this month's pc4 report and combine in april? [16:12]
mircea_popescu PeterL here's the thing : in my scrollback you appear as engaged in a lengthy monologue which twice now highlighted me. are you going to take a break on your own or do i have to ignore you for a while ? [16:13]
PeterL mircea_popescu I am talking with nubbins`, I guess you have him on ignore still? [16:14]
mircea_popescu what do you mean "still" ?! [16:14]
PeterL was it yesterday you said you were adding him to ignore? I was not sure if you still ignored him [16:14]
mircea_popescu aite, so now you're sure. [16:15]
PeterL I was going to ask earlier, but it seemed like a silly question [16:15]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/24OSSrN ) [16:16]
PeterL and it is what, 10 lines if you don't count nubbins` ? that does not seem very lengthy [16:16]
assbot Bitcoin Address 1AhQe7VKxvAcnEBbt9mt5iwwxY9LeKbJtR ... ( http://bit.ly/24OT4qU ) [16:18]
assbot Bitcoin Transaction 6ad6de39290431f2077c3e972d72e4fae7eb3bf384a966b9bf7f1c0832e6a7c1 ... ( http://bit.ly/24OTm10 ) [16:20]
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assbot Logged on 08-03-2016 17:51:29; ben_vulpes: ah well that's trivially answerable is it not? [16:32]
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gribble williamdunne was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 25 weeks, 0 days, 0 hours, 41 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: But yah [16:37]
asciilifeform nubbins` what's that [16:40]
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williamdunne danielpbarron: Hello Daniel [16:42]
danielpbarron hi [16:43]
danielpbarron even if some came or went to lizzard hitler's address it wouldn't prove a damn because this kind of analysis can only be held against ~fiat~ institutions [16:48]
asciilifeform nubbins`: fwiw pretty much all of my own coin would appear as 'mpex funds' per your analysis. [16:49]
danielpbarron ie : in a qntra about silk road cops running with drug funds or the like [16:49]
assbot Logged on 19-02-2016 02:24:48; assbot: You rated user gabrielradio on 14-Oct-2015, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: Apprentice Trilema translator.. [16:52]
williamdunne Are people working on translating old Trilema articles from Romanian? [16:54]
williamdunne I'm down for working on that, I started learning last week funnily enough.. [16:54]
danielpbarron where've ya been? for the other 24 weeks? [16:56]
williamdunne I got kicked, spent a while picking myself up. Wasn't reading the logs very often, only Trilema and Qntra [16:56]
williamdunne Oh and Contravex a little [16:56]
danielpbarron kicked? [16:57]
williamdunne Difficulty in my personal life, nothing I couldn't recover from (obviously( [16:57]
ben_vouspes fucking giga-lol [16:58]
ben_vouspes mpex paying out bitbet bettors, megafuckinglol if true. [16:59]
danielpbarron what is personal life? is there impersonal life? [16:59]
williamdunne danielpbarron: the part of life I wouldn't talk in public [17:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68400 @ 0.00052402 = 35.843 BTC [-] {6} [17:01]
ben_vouspes all over 17 btc. [17:04]
ben_vouspes quelle fucking triste [17:04]
fluffypony quelle triste destinée! [17:05]
* fluffypony sings [17:05]
danielpbarron !rated diana_coman [17:07]
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williamdunne Seems like I chose an exciting time to reappear [17:09]
williamdunne Gonna go logdiving [17:09]
PeterL bring some popcorn [17:10]
williamdunne Whereabouts does all this drama begin? [17:10]
danielpbarron i thought you read qntra [17:10]
PeterL about last friday? [17:11]
PeterL so the 3rd or 4th? [17:12]
williamdunne I must have missed this part on Qntra.. ok I'm going in [17:12]
PeterL see the "miner problem" qntra article [17:12]
williamdunne Yeah the only one I didn't read seemingly [17:15]
williamdunne Hot stuff [17:15]
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ben_vouspes williamdunne: and woefully incomplete. you'll need to read logs back to friday or thursday of last week to get a notion of what's going on. [17:27]
williamdunne Yeah I'm on Friday currently [17:28]
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assbot Logged on 06-03-2016 12:58:05; nubbins`: asciilifeform i thought it was fairly obvious that MP had been divesting since he lost his shirt w/ MPOE? [17:37]
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BingoBoingo Art project so far, base for impoler http://i.imgur.com/7izudGF.jpg and stuff above. 20' 7" of tree http://i.imgur.com/hLHlToY.jpg [18:00]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1R4tkwg ) [18:00]
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deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 4.85000000 BTC on 'Yes' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b171 [18:01]
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deedbot- [Qntra] New Cross Platform Malware Depends on JVM - http://qntra.net/2016/03/new-cross-platform-malware-depends-on-jvm/ [18:16]
solrodar nubbins`: I was also paid directly from the same mpex address for this work: http://trilema.com/2015/open-callgraph-for-therealbitcoin-in-svg-format/ [18:18]
assbot [OPEN] Callgraph for therealbitcoin, in SVG format. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1R4wBMb ) [18:18]
solrodar all indications were that the payment was in a personal capacity, and it never appeared on the statements of mpex or nsa [18:19]
solrodar looks like he's in the habit of using an mpex wallet for personal expenses [18:19]
solrodar that isn't necessarily fraudulent, as long as everything's properly accounted for [18:20]
danielpbarron even if all the addresses were emptied to 1bitcoineater it wouldn't matter. [18:21]
solrodar https://blockchain.info/tx/b6f7f5ce3ab9bddf0bf5c32ec4b01d7ac5a590396ff87ae0a846975cd5303458 [18:21]
assbot Bitcoin Transaction b6f7f5ce3ab9bddf0bf5c32ec4b01d7ac5a590396ff87ae0a846975cd5303458 ... ( http://bit.ly/1R4x4Ox ) [18:21]
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solrodar http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213127 [18:22]
assbot Logged on 26-07-2015 11:04:53; mircea_popescu: b6f7f5ce3ab9bddf0bf5c32ec4b01d7ac5a590396ff87ae0a846975cd5303458 solrodar. thanks for your help! [18:22]
deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 10.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b172 [18:23]
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solrodar of course he would argue that what constitutes "company's money" does not necessarily map directly to addresses on the blockchain [18:24]
danielpbarron this is like when some celeb gets outed as a womanizer and all the girlies out out of nowhere to retroactively claim he touched her [18:25]
danielpbarron i am only growing my confident in my position [18:26]
danielpbarron and more irritated in your persistence nubbins` [18:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24157 @ 0.00052649 = 12.7184 BTC [-] [18:26]
danielpbarron growing more* [18:26]
solrodar I'm not accusing him of anything here, just giving a bit of context to the earlier discussion [18:26]
assbot Logged on 26-07-2015 11:04:53; mircea_popescu: b6f7f5ce3ab9bddf0bf5c32ec4b01d7ac5a590396ff87ae0a846975cd5303458 solrodar. thanks for your help! [18:27]
assbot Bitcoin Transaction b6f7f5ce3ab9bddf0bf5c32ec4b01d7ac5a590396ff87ae0a846975cd5303458 ... ( http://bit.ly/1R4yad6 ) [18:27]
danielpbarron i hesitate to even attempt reasoning with you, because I believe you have "broken the joystick" so to speak [18:28]
assbot MPEx (S.MPOE) July 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1R4yhp2 ) [18:28]
fluffypony my wife breaks my joystick like all the time [18:28]
davout nubbins`: i fail to see how (b) implies (c), I can perfectly have an account on my own exchange, can't I? [18:30]
davout my money is on a paymium-controlled addy, your examination of my withdrawal on the blockchain would conclude to fraud? [18:31]
asciilifeform nubbins`: did you miss the part where i point out that ~all of MY coin is just as 'mpex'y [18:31]
asciilifeform it would look exactly the same if ~i~ had paid the bet winners. [18:32]
williamdunne nubbins`: tbf while using the company wallet might be a bad habit, I don't think its an issue in itself, although reading through the logs it seems everything has gone to shit [18:32]
asciilifeform from the point of view of nubbins` [18:32]
asciilifeform and it would greatly surprise me if most of mircea_popescu's personal coin was not 1 step from mpex [18:32]
asciilifeform so what is astonishing, nubbins` ? [18:32]
davout nubbins`: i think you made some valid points, but this is not one of them [18:32]
asciilifeform ^ [18:32]
trinque if one had invested significantly in the infrastructure for an exchange, it stands to reason that he'd not use this to hold his own funds, and instead would keep it on a usb stick plugged into his fucking pogo [18:32]
danielpbarron !rated nubbins` [18:33]
assbot You rated user nubbins` on 30-Jun-2014, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: for the purpose of turning the spam nozzle two clicks towards the off position, and in the interest of discovering whether a lord can be silenced or not. [18:33]
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davout nubbins`: and I'm out of popcorn! [18:33]
assbot You have not rated danielpbarron. [18:34]
assbot Successfully added a rating of -10 for danielpbarron with note: Devoted to a man rather than to a cause. [18:36]
danielpbarron i wear my negative ratings like badges of war [18:36]
danielpbarron you are in good company [18:36]
assbot Logged on 07-03-2016 13:32:31; danielpbarron: i'm not interested in bitcoin if he's not interested in it [18:37]
danielpbarron is this a surprising position to come from the guy who believes in God (a man) [18:38]
davout meanwhile, à paris https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdDm4VKWoAAhgBi.jpg:large [18:38]
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asciilifeform !rated nubbins` [18:39]
assbot You rated user nubbins` on 24-Apr-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: pogoplug tester for therealbitcoin. [18:39]
asciilifeform i like nubbins` . [18:39]
solrodar !rate nubbins` 0 +1 is making some valid points / -1 is being a complete dick about it [18:39]
assbot Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10. [18:39]
asciilifeform and my rating - stands. [18:39]
solrodar ): [18:39]
asciilifeform but i do recommend to nubbins` , to take a breather [18:40]
asciilifeform or he will pop aneurism. [18:40]
asciilifeform nubbins`: l0l, meanwhile send my an addr plox, i have been away from home. [18:42]
asciilifeform (they will go to the same place as the last crate, if you still have the addr) [18:43]
asciilifeform phun phakt, it is a dilapidated post office, where the letters on the sign have fallen off, it is a 'p s ffic' now i think. [18:44]
asciilifeform inside ~smells~ of 1972. [18:44]
asciilifeform posters on the walls, faded so far that you cannot read even, what they were. [18:44]
asciilifeform it represents the side of usg mircea_popescu likes to bring up, the threadbare zimbabwe side. [18:45]
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asciilifeform nubbins`: no worries, i will send it to you again when i get home. [18:56]
asciilifeform also nubbins` iirc someone else wanted some [19:03]
asciilifeform let them first have however many shirts [19:03]
deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.83235000 BTC on 'No' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b174 [19:07]
asciilifeform wtf would anyone bet when the dial says '0.99...' ?? [19:14]
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danielpbarron someone who wants to mix coins [19:15]
williamdunne danielpbarron: And needs them sometime between now and.. um [19:16]
danielpbarron strange that they'd do it on a 50/50 bet though [19:16]
danielpbarron i never understood the whole "omg when are my winnings comming, i neeeed them!" [19:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26739 @ 0.00052818 = 14.123 BTC [+] {2} [19:17]
BingoBoingo i never understood the whole "omg when are my winnings comming, i neeeed them!" << General Bitcoin related anxiety from having them away from One's keys [19:19]
danielpbarron no i've specifically seen the argument made from a winner that he needed the funds to seed his next bet [19:20]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: That too [19:21]
danielpbarron the solution is a simple one: stop being poor [19:21]
deedbot- [Qntra] Elon Musk Venture Remotely Diddles Attentive Owner's Vehicle - http://qntra.net/2016/03/elon-musk-venture-remotely-diddles-attentive-owners-vehicle/ [19:35]
BingoBoingo ;;later tell fluffypony Did you really sign a document about being more polite? [19:35]
gribble The operation succeeded. [19:35]
asciilifeform http://arstechnica.co.uk/tech-policy/2016/03/gchq-uses-mit-speech-to-get-chummy-with-tech-industry-over-crypto-backdoors << l0ltr0nic [19:36]
assbot GCHQ uses MIT speech to get chummy with tech industry over crypto backdoors | Ars Technica UK ... ( http://bit.ly/1R68hjp ) [19:36]
asciilifeform also lulzy, from same rag, http://arstechnica.co.uk/business/2016/03/report-elon-musk-tim-cook-and-larry-page-meet-to-halt-trumps-ascendancy [19:39]
assbot Report: Elon Musk, Tim Cook, and Larry Page meet to halt Trump’s ascendancy | Ars Technica UK ... ( http://bit.ly/220EUR3 ) [19:39]
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hanbot so mircea_popescu do you suppose these people were hacked or something, ie some kinda inept Chinese-PR? even without nubbins` meltdown, you have PeterL, the ex-mildmannered professional chemist with a family, going http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2016#1427105 like a five year old suddenly, what the fuck is this?! [19:52]
assbot Logged on 08-03-2016 19:16:32; PeterL: and it is what, 10 lines if you don't count nubbins` ? that does not seem very lengthy [19:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28941 @ 0.0005277 = 15.2722 BTC [-] {3} [19:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00052649 = 6.5811 BTC [-] [20:01]
BingoBoingo hanbot: Crisis does funny things to people's brains [20:03]
ben_vouspes nubbins`: and until bitcoin accounting standards include "these are the coins i am reporting on my balance sheet" this best case/worst case ambiguity will remain. [20:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 454 @ 0.0216 = 9.8064 BTC [-] {2} [20:20]
mircea_popescu hanbot nubbins` is just doing his trademark low hanging fruit thing, "what's the lowest effort thing i could possibly do to maintain the pretense i'm doing something". that's his coping mechanism with life, it "worked pretty well" or whatever, it's what he knows, it's what he does. there's a whole stack of these idiots running around like pointless chickens, i dunno that much need be explained. [20:22]
mircea_popescu he sat in the chan counting his bellybutton lint for years, making inept arguments about pointless shit - he lost all of them, but hey, as long as mp doesn't come straight out with "you're stupid, go back to school" one needn't notice this actually happened, can just as well pretend that blabla. [20:23]
mircea_popescu meanwhile other people did things, and there he sat on ass, thinking to himself "oh heh, am i fucking special - all these idiots are sweating bullets and i think i'm exactly the same as them but much smarter because I'm not even doing anything!". aka sprezzatura, ie what happens when you overfeed and underbeat the children. [20:23]
mircea_popescu then that bizarre theory got put to the test and it broke like a bridge made out of rickety reeds and now the unspeakable happened, and there is the mirror and oh god the horror. [20:24]
mircea_popescu peterl is kinda the same, trying to hang on to the train, which is moving kinda fast and so on. [20:24]
mircea_popescu the whole incident is certainly a fine example of why b-a and the world generally can't work as a "mp supported" thing. gotta be very expensive to be a lord, or else self-flattery is much to powerful a force. [20:24]
mircea_popescu williamdunne> Are people working on translating old Trilema articles from Romanian? << there was a guy, gabrielradio, did some so-so work. it is HARD. [20:26]
mircea_popescu ben_vouspes> mpex paying out bitbet bettors, megafuckinglol if true. << one day you'll comprehend what this "there is no bitcoin taint" thing means. [20:26]
mircea_popescu and why it is both wrong and stupid to entertain fiatista's pretense of re-interpreting bitcoin in fiatista terms. [20:26]
mircea_popescu the point is to crush, not to extend, the relevancy of old world idiocy into the new. [20:27]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron> what is personal life? is there impersonal life? << funny enough, this actually came up in the harem recently. i liked the conclusion. public are all matters which can be expressed such that all the individuals who know of them can accept the expression. private is everything else. [20:27]
mircea_popescu which is why addition is a public matter and faith, not. [20:28]
williamdunne asa si asa, there is my start [20:28]
mircea_popescu hehehe. so go for it. but note that the guy was a native speaker. trilema, and especially ro trilema, is incredibly tense. in fact i do not believe harder source text exists in the whole 2k year history of the place. [20:28]
deedbot- [Trilema] La Santa Soppressata - http://trilema.com/2016/la-santa-soppressata/ [20:29]
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mircea_popescu williamdunne> nubbins`: tbf while using the company wallet << there is no such thing as "the company wallet". [20:33]
ben_vouspes as predicted. [20:34]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform> wtf would anyone bet when the dial says '0.99 << it's about even money neh ? [20:34]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: Do you have anything in particular that you would care to see translated, ideally something that isn't literal poetry? Yeah I've only just started picking RO up, so it would probably be a slow process.. [20:35]
mircea_popescu assbot> Report: Elon Musk, Tim Cook, and Larry Page meet to halt Trump’s ascendancy << somebody's worried about being cutoff from wasting public funds to maintain their "businesses" or wut. [20:35]
mircea_popescu williamdunne not that there's any hurry. lemme see, something that's more accessible, perhaps interesting, not very ro context-y... [20:36]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2009/viitorul-se-compune-din-spaima/ << try that. shorter, earlier... [20:37]
assbot Viitorul se compune din spaima. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/24PlwJa ) [20:37]
diana_coman williamdunne, for practice, join eulora and I'll offer quests and training in Ro only, no problem [20:38]
williamdunne I have an account somewhere, it's time I've been lacking. But if I can pick it up, that would be very kind, thank you [20:39]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: Thanks, I'll start working through it [20:40]
mircea_popescu a right, diana_coman also native speaker. [20:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 143 @ 0.0209 = 2.9887 BTC [-] [20:42]
mircea_popescu ben_vouspes> as predicted. << predicted my foot. you've prolly not even noticed that trilema's previous article was "color of money", or that the current one continues in the "trolling the idiots" vein. [20:46]
mircea_popescu also d9b19f22606c66ed66e0271eb52064e61fdbd1c6022aa25b175d691dac12148c4a5e4a7ff00a0971fc35e24ed7909ad195ea38f8d44f1e52fc847deb3c1c8e12 [20:48]
ben_vouspes mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2016#1427333 [20:48]
assbot Logged on 08-03-2016 23:10:34; ben_vouspes: nubbins`: and until bitcoin accounting standards include "these are the coins i am reporting on my balance sheet" this best case/worst case ambiguity will remain. [20:48]
mircea_popescu ben_vouspes now try sha512("(and if you say anything other than "no it was in my mempool" to this list of easy to explain coincidences, you lose)") [20:49]
ben_vouspes i have no idea what point you're trying to make. [20:52]
mircea_popescu i'm just amusing myself, carry on. [20:52]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [20:53]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 412.15, vol: 5584.85171220 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 412.0, vol: 5684.28593 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 411.64, vol: 10209.75146076 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 400.0, vol: 13.0417394 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 419.446436, vol: 39366.03800000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 410.57, vol: 1313.03639734 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 417.052814, vol: 66.46005481 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) [20:53]
BingoBoingo ;;more [20:53]
gribble 416.637087416 [20:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9135 @ 0.00052649 = 4.8095 BTC [-] [20:59]
BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats [21:01]
gribble Current Blocks: 401773 | Current Difficulty: 1.584272037673917E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 403199 | Next Difficulty In: 1426 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 6 hours, 14 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [21:01]
BingoBoingo ;;nethash [21:01]
gribble 1143162073.27 [21:01]
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mats is this feud going to be an ongoing thing in the logs now [21:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44195 @ 0.00052785 = 23.3283 BTC [+] {2} [21:59]
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hanbot mircea_popescu meh, i guess eskimociuciu has eternal representation so long as the current voice distributes so much chum. [22:02]
BingoBoingo !b1 [22:04]
BingoBoingo !b 1 [22:04]
assbot Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3TVZRMS.txt ) [22:04]
BingoBoingo some old references there [22:04]
hanbot ;;later_tell williamdunne feel free to pm me for ro chat/queries also. though my principle strength seems to be accidentally portmanteauing. [22:04]
gribble Error: "later_tell" is not a valid command. [22:04]
hanbot ;;later tell williamdunne feel free to pm me for ro chat/queries also. though my principle strength seems to be accidentally portmanteauing. [22:04]
gribble The operation succeeded. [22:04]
hanbot BingoBoingo shit apparently doesn't change much. [22:04]
BingoBoingo hanbot: Some things/people change. Others simply change the body they reside in. Reverse of the everybody is MP deal. Everbody is bobciu [22:06]
BingoBoingo or ciubob [22:06]
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hanbot hahaha, sounds about right. [22:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58479 @ 0.00052907 = 30.9395 BTC [+] {4} [22:10]
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BingoBoingo Maybe Husciu Obobma? [22:21]
BingoBoingo brb mtg [22:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67548 @ 0.0005296 = 35.7734 BTC [+] {2} [22:27]
TomServo be right back, magic: the gathering? [22:29]
mircea_popescu it took five passes until "Reverse of the everybody is MP deal. Everbody is bobciu" coallesced into " Reverse of the (everybody is MP) deal. Everbody is bobciu" [22:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63972 @ 0.00052757 = 33.7497 BTC [-] {2} [22:30]
mircea_popescu ;;ud mtg [22:30]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mtg | mtg. stands for Magic: The Gathering. A very good and very popular trading card game by Wizards of the Coast. Far superior to Pokemon but targets an older ... [22:30]
mircea_popescu guess it must be. [22:30]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Parallel+Chatting | The phenomena that occurs when an online chat morphs into two parallel conversations, usually as a result of one person continuing a conversation w... [22:31]
danielpbarron i used to play it; still got my cards [22:32]
TomServo same. I should prolly divest them along with my bitcoins, eh? [22:32]
mircea_popescu does it exist online or is it actually cards in person thing ? [22:33]
TomServo both, I believe [22:33]
danielpbarron i mostly did cards in person. there was a windows client called apprentice i used a little [22:35]
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mircea_popescu i think i actually might have played this on the ipad back when i did teh "literature survey" for s.mg [22:53]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2016#1427354 << when pigs fly to orbit [22:55]
assbot Logged on 08-03-2016 23:35:45; mircea_popescu: assbot> Report: Elon Musk, Tim Cook, and Larry Page meet to halt Trump’s ascendancy << somebody's worried about being cutoff from wasting public funds to maintain their "businesses" or wut. [22:55]
asciilifeform e.g., palantir, has higher priority than post office, literally [22:56]
mircea_popescu you're kidding, right ? [22:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75550 @ 0.00052604 = 39.7423 BTC [-] {2} [22:56]
asciilifeform nope [22:57]
mircea_popescu mcdonalds has higher priority than walmart, which has higher priority than the army. [22:57]
mircea_popescu palantir may be above elon musk, but the whole thing is a "youth communist movement" side project. [22:57]
mircea_popescu gone in a weekend. [22:57]
asciilifeform you haven't seen the post in my town... [22:57]
mircea_popescu makes no diff. [22:57]
mircea_popescu what was that derpy soviet thing that wanted to be an independent art movement ? [22:57]
* asciilifeform brb [22:58]
mircea_popescu gorn! [22:58]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57454 @ 0.00052619 = 30.2317 BTC [+] [23:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20766 @ 0.00052637 = 10.9306 BTC [+] [23:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148790 @ 0.00052967 = 78.8096 BTC [+] {2} [23:32]
assbot BitBet Stole ~$7,000 from me (10 BTC) ... ( http://bit.ly/1p6Dw0X ) [23:33]
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danielpbarron also from that thread >> If a couple of pools were interested in bobbaing up MP's reputation, they could start taking longer to include transactions into blocks if bitbet addresses are involved. Just take care to not wait for way too many blocks, otherwise the pool's reputation get fucked. [23:45]
mircea_popescu this, iirc, is in the bbet statement. [23:45]
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danielpbarron the two situations aren't really comparable; in the case to which she was referring, the 0-fee transaction was spending an output that only had 162 confirmations, several thousand less than the youngest output spent in the now infamous 'A1' [23:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101950 @ 0.000529 = 53.9316 BTC [-] {3} [23:53]
kakobrekla they also arent comparable in a sense not having full mempools in 2013 and having full mempools in 2016. [23:55]
kakobrekla perhaps full and nonfull is not the best word as they cant be really full, just large or small. [23:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79097 @ 0.00052788 = 41.7537 BTC [-] {2} [23:57]
asciilifeform nubbins`: i need the quote [23:59]
asciilifeform nubbins`: for the crate. [23:59]
asciilifeform you forgot the actual cost. [23:59]
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