Forum logs for 07 Sep 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
asciilifeform (given that i've never heard of such a man) [00:00]
asciilifeform http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/10821220/Runaway-rhea-Chris-is-shot-dead-by-a-gamekeeper.html [00:00]
assbot Runaway rhea, Chris, is shot dead by a gamekeeper - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1VI0TJj ) [00:00]
asciilifeform 'Local gamekeeper said he understood that the police wanted the bird dispatched because they were worried that it could cause a car crash' [00:00]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=489 there. [00:00]
assbot Leland Stanford Mansion SHP ... ( http://bit.ly/1VI0S8s ) [00:00]
asciilifeform seems like he is dead. and was a bird. [00:00]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: now ~that~'s a mega-museum. [00:01]
* asciilifeform puts on map. [00:01]
mircea_popescu yw. [00:01]
mircea_popescu but srsly, east coast is famous for crampy, shitty quarters. [00:01]
mircea_popescu of more genuine historical interest, ;;google Captain George Flavel House [00:02]
asciilifeform i think the 'cramped' actually made it appealing to my inner submariner [00:02]
mircea_popescu lol [00:02]
mircea_popescu you have an inner submariner ? [00:02]
asciilifeform (more pointedly, made it 'plausibly like places in my head') [00:02]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: my old flat had just enough void air in it to physically pass from one room to another. [00:03]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: all the rest - shelves, bulkheads [00:03]
mircea_popescu periscope depth, captn! [00:03]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the place was also set up in such a way that one must look for hidden doors (e.g., swing-out book cases) to find new rooms [00:06]
asciilifeform a kind of labyrinth [00:06]
asciilifeform this played straight into the mega-phantasy in my dream world of 'found extra room in house' that i've been afflicted with since childhood [00:06]
* asciilifeform dreams (literally) of rooms the way a hungry man does of food [00:07]
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asciilifeform it is interesting how visiting, e.g., a gigantic warehouse, or stadium, does not tickle this fantasy [00:08]
asciilifeform because those spaces do not register as 'plausibly like somewhere i can picture living' [00:08]
asciilifeform for one thing, a four-story warehouse ceiling is vertical space and ipso facto wasted. [00:08]
asciilifeform (from my hindbrain's pov) [00:09]
asciilifeform whereas an endless succession of labyrinthine chambers is precisely it. [00:09]
asciilifeform i now understand why chinese emperors (and american industrialists) built them! [00:09]
asciilifeform it was a kind of theme park of not-feeling-cramped [00:09]
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mircea_popescu isn't "Found extra rooms in house" kinda like "found extra procedures in code" ? [00:13]
asciilifeform no. [00:13]
mircea_popescu but anyway, my place in timisoara was ~5k sqft on two levels. [00:13]
mircea_popescu perfectly standard for the local upper middle class [00:14]
asciilifeform no so different from where my parents live, size-wise [00:14]
mircea_popescu had the option to buy it for like 80k, which i didn't take. [00:14]
asciilifeform woah [00:14]
asciilifeform 80k barely buys a van here. [00:14]
mircea_popescu yes but you live in a shithole. [00:14]
* asciilifeform does not dispute this [00:14]
asciilifeform actually i am wrong, fella i know bought a spiffy van for 70k [00:15]
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asciilifeform anyway, 1,2,3,infinity. [00:17]
asciilifeform 80 may as well be 800 or 800,000,000 from my pov. [00:17]
mircea_popescu what, it's like 400 btc [00:18]
asciilifeform so? [00:19]
mircea_popescu not even 1k!!1 [00:19]
asciilifeform ...? [00:19]
mircea_popescu im just being silly. [00:20]
trinque asciilifeform: you do live in the worst possible part of the US [00:20]
trinque move to Houston, do math for an oil company [00:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11850 @ 0.00073894 = 8.7564 BTC [+] [00:20]
asciilifeform trinque: see thread. [00:20]
trinque the beltway is *not* all there is [00:20]
trinque so do science after 5 [00:21]
trinque I dun geddit [00:21]
asciilifeform trinque: read thread, and maybe get it. [00:21]
asciilifeform or not. [00:21]
asciilifeform trinque: i have zero, zip, nada, interest in being an interchangeable part. [00:22]
asciilifeform trinque: if you cannot understand this, i am probably wasting space here attempting to explain it. [00:22]
trinque to that I have two responses [00:23]
trinque one, do some acid [00:23]
trinque two, taqiya [00:23]
asciilifeform trinque: would love some acid. might make this existence bearable. see old thread re: why i never had any. [00:24]
asciilifeform trinque: as for taqiya, it worked pre-google. [00:24]
asciilifeform perhaps. [00:24]
trinque asciilifeform: I was telling mr ben_vulp` earlier I'd love to get you some if I'm ever able [00:25]
trinque sadly, am currently not [00:25]
trinque just to see what'd happen [00:25]
asciilifeform dope is over-rated. [00:25]
trinque acid's special; not the least bit a matter of getting intoxicated in the usual sense [00:25]
asciilifeform !s a smell of petroleum prevails throughout [00:26]
assbot 1 results for 'a smell of petroleum prevails throughout' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=a+smell+of+petroleum+prevails+throughout [00:26]
asciilifeform trinque: as for your oil men, it is a basic truism of salary men in usa that no one is ever, under any circumstances, paid a salary large enough to stop being a salary man. [00:27]
asciilifeform it is an elementary thing. [00:27]
asciilifeform kinda like if you were kommendant of auschwitz, you wouldn't give a capo a machinegun [00:28]
asciilifeform no matter how much you trusted him. [00:28]
trinque I see oil and a few other things as the few remaining inputs on the US "economy [00:31]
trinque end quote. [00:31]
asciilifeform trinque: i am specifically laughing at your notion that i would hate life less if i were to agree to spend MORE HOURS PER DAY doing IDIOT SCUTWORK in exchange for slightly more banana peels. [00:33]
trinque ah shit man, I have meatwot friends working for these oil companies [00:33]
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trinque they pillage and they live well. [00:33]
asciilifeform trinque: live well == sleep ad libitum. [00:33]
asciilifeform do they ? [00:33]
asciilifeform i think you already answered the question though [00:34]
asciilifeform they do not. [00:34]
asciilifeform given as 'they work for...' [00:34]
asciilifeform QED. [00:34]
asciilifeform a cubic kilometre of house is worthless if you can't spend your top waking hours there. [00:35]
trinque or another meatwot friend working for a tradebot company [00:35]
trinque who tried to hire me [00:35]
asciilifeform again, working. [00:35]
trinque ends at 5! [00:35]
trinque gets his dick sucked the rest of the time! [00:35]
asciilifeform 'cause no energy for actual thought, aha [00:36]
mats so lets get down to it, asciilifeform [00:36]
mats how many hours of actual work do you do per week [00:36]
asciilifeform hard to say [00:37]
asciilifeform and what is 'actual work' [00:37]
asciilifeform does sitting in the wheel coffin count ? [00:37]
mats the sort you abhor, sure, include driving [00:38]
asciilifeform (traditionally not, but it isn't like i would be there if it were not for the rest of it) [00:38]
mats thats ten hours a week right? [00:38]
trinque taqiya [00:38]
asciilifeform 10-20 [00:38]
trinque not every act of my career is a manifestation of my principles [00:38]
trinque sometimes I'm just trying to get paid [00:39]
trinque stick another y on that, I guess [00:39]
* trinque reminisces briefly about the persian chick he dated [00:39]
mats 20 hours of driving? really? [00:39]
trinque probably most beautiful women on earth. [00:39]
asciilifeform mats: sure. [00:40]
asciilifeform mats: what is so astonishing [00:40]
trinque that's 2hrs commute a day [00:40]
trinque can happen [00:40]
trinque houston traffic gets crazy [00:40]
asciilifeform 2 is the bestcase [00:40]
mats i dunno how your mental formula works, but i'd certainly pay to live closer [00:41]
trinque thing is, I know guys that just chose to be the smartest guy at a truly asinine startup [00:41]
trinque they make great money, they do whatever they please in their free time [00:41]
trinque I run a business, but I have no quarrel with those that just maximize their own path through the whole retarded mess./ [00:41]
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trinque I started my business by neglecting other retarded pursuits and building the other thing in spare time. [00:42]
asciilifeform mats: i can't even begin to afford to live near where i work. [00:44]
asciilifeform mats: literally twice or more per square metre. [00:44]
trinque oh asciilifeform, DC and surrounding sucks so much. [00:45]
trinque surely you understand that the sludge flows out from exactly there? [00:45]
asciilifeform trinque: of course. [00:45]
asciilifeform trinque: i don't work for the sludge though. [00:45]
trinque I know, but proximity! [00:45]
asciilifeform what about it? it isn't like this is ancient china and you don't have to pay tax if you live far away from the tax collector. [00:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00073894 = 6.0593 BTC [+] [00:47]
trinque yeah, but you just don't run into them. [00:47]
trinque everyone of consequence in TX hates the federal government. [00:47]
trinque deeply, and as a matter of principle [00:47]
asciilifeform trinque: do they pay a penny less of tax from this ? [00:48]
trinque you just feel that way, and wait for the other thing to fail. [00:48]
asciilifeform feel ahahaha lol. [00:49]
trinque how many years do you think the federal govt has left? [00:49]
asciilifeform 10,000. [00:49]
trinque the gov of texas talked openly about secession throughout his term. [00:49]
asciilifeform or not. [00:49]
asciilifeform but longer than i have. [00:49]
trinque they will destroy the currency and fail [00:49]
asciilifeform sure. and then i will be dead. [00:50]
trinque who knows. [00:50]
asciilifeform nah i'm pretty sure. [00:50]
asciilifeform mats: i will add, to earlier thread, that it is not even reliably possible to ~rent a house at all~ near where i work. [00:51]
asciilifeform renting out houses is not something that is done, generally, in the richer parts of MD. [00:51]
mats it becomes 2x per sqm to get so much as 30mins from work? [00:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9820 @ 0.00073894 = 7.2564 BTC [+] [00:54]
mats and you cannot rent rooms either i suppose? [00:56]
asciilifeform fuck rooms [00:56]
asciilifeform what, you think i will put up with sharing toilet with strangers ? [00:56]
asciilifeform seen them, smelling them ? [00:56]
asciilifeform why the everliving fuck should i even think about this. [00:57]
mircea_popescu hard to say << heh. [00:57]
mats so princely [00:57]
asciilifeform so minimum-human-ly. [00:58]
asciilifeform how many unrelated, unfucked adults does mats share his quarters with ? [00:58]
asciilifeform (today, not in the barrack) [00:58]
mats wat is 'unfucked' [00:58]
asciilifeform ones you do not regularly have sex with [00:59]
mircea_popescu interesting metric. [00:59]
mircea_popescu makes the collegiate campus a winner. especially at arizona state. [00:59]
mats i live alone atm. moved recently. but for most of non-barracks, non-univ adulthood i shared quarters with 2-4 other people [00:59]
mats and i expect to do so again in a year or so [01:00]
asciilifeform sux [01:00]
mats i don't abhor it like you do, will prob do it willingly well into late 20s [01:00]
mats sharing toilet with four others does suck, though. but small price to pay to hold onto more wages [01:01]
mircea_popescu i expect this will be the permanent normal mode of living from noiw on anyway. [01:02]
asciilifeform mats: small price if you don't do any serious thinking. [01:02]
mircea_popescu in the 50s a bank CLERK lived in roughly what alf thinks palatial. [01:02]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: see old thread about sovietized flats where i live, aha [01:02]
mircea_popescu but that's all gone now. people aren't willing to kill each other so they'll get packed. [01:02]
mircea_popescu those being, very strictly, the options. [01:03]
asciilifeform aha, garbage collector hasn't really run since '45 [01:03]
mircea_popescu nah. see problem there wasd, they destroyed more stuff than killed people. [01:04]
mircea_popescu so it was actrually scant improvement. [01:04]
asciilifeform '18 then ? [01:04]
mircea_popescu i would think so. [01:04]
asciilifeform anyway, i don't expect to live to see another such thing. certainly not the other side of it, anyway! [01:05]
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asciilifeform slightly related, [01:10]
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asciilifeform i have been getting increasingly frequent telephone spam from electric co., offering to cut my rates in exchange for a (for now, voluntary!) remote disable on my air conditioner compressor. it is hilariously insulting. why won't they just mail me a vial of cyanide, also 'voluntary' ? [01:11]
asciilifeform even more electric saving, from it [01:11]
asciilifeform i suppose it is not too long to wait, for the northkr-style rolling blackouts [01:12]
asciilifeform and for the predictable game of hopscotch through various 'voluntary', 'voluntary-compulsory', finally compulsory belt-tightenings [01:13]
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asciilifeform 'mains power on tuesdays for party members' [01:14]
mircea_popescu uh [01:14]
mircea_popescu wtf is that lol [01:14]
mircea_popescu !s [01:15]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265005 << forget clerk. a railwayman could ~buy~ a house and support five children on his wages, in '50s. [01:16]
assbot Logged on 07-09-2015 04:00:35; mircea_popescu: in the 50s a bank CLERK lived in roughly what alf thinks palatial. [01:16]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-08-2015#1224008 << l0l! [01:18]
assbot Logged on 04-08-2015 06:58:21; Belxjander: using AmigaOS 4.1Final on my desktop myself... definitely niche.. [01:18]
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pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1264735 << also being silly ? i really don't disagree with your assessment of your personal situation at the end of the day. i mean, how could i ? but nor do i share your uniquely russian fatalism. [01:36]
assbot Logged on 07-09-2015 01:55:12; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264479 << holy fuck man what've you been smoking [01:36]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1264753 << reminds me of 'deco' museum in riga. /me goes digging for pics. [01:36]
assbot Logged on 07-09-2015 02:31:58; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://imgur.com/a/GIDeo << i went there today. and this is how i imagine your old house looks like. [01:36]
pete_dushenski also of rented apartement in jewish quarter in riga, which had the most beautiful interior staircase with the most divinely baroque wrought iron handrails. [01:38]
pete_dushenski derp. s/riga/prague on the 2nd one. [01:38]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: what were you doing in riga ? [01:44]
asciilifeform 'Jack Whittaker won $315 million and ten years later, his daughter and granddaughter had both died of drug overdoses, his wife divorced him, and once while in a strip club, he was drugged and robbed of $545,000 in cash, as reported by The New York Times.' << thinking folk don't play lotteries. [01:44]
asciilifeform elementary. [01:44]
asciilifeform unsurprising that scum wipes his arse with the money. [01:46]
asciilifeform (with the enthusiastic help of his 'friends' and family) [01:46]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: touring. visited most of latvia and lithuania. just last year in fact. partially documented here http://www.contravex.com/2014/09/12/architecture-in-riga/ [01:46]
assbot Architecture in Riga | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1JLn35Z ) [01:46]
asciilifeform ah hm i recall this [01:46]
asciilifeform went just for kicks? to eat fine sprats ? [01:46]
asciilifeform enjoy classic su atmosphere ? [01:46]
pete_dushenski kicks was the intent. fell in love with the food. [01:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00073787 = 11.7321 BTC [-] {2} [01:48]
pete_dushenski i'd already been to most of the rest of europe, so baltic was somewhere new [01:48]
asciilifeform 'William "Bud" Post won $16.2 million in the Pennsylvania lottery in 1988 but was $1 million in debt within a year. "I wish it never happened," Post said. "It was totally a nightmare." A former girlfriend successfully sued him for a share of his winnings and his brother was arrested for hiring a hit man to kill him in the hopes he'd inherit a share of the winnings.' [01:48]
asciilifeform ^ how the fuck does that even work [01:48]
asciilifeform 'former girlfriend sued successfully..' [01:49]
asciilifeform 'Their 14-year marriage was over, a freak fire gutted their house, and every penny of their fortune was gone.' << at least he had the sense to scorched-earth [01:50]
asciilifeform rather then letting the vultures get it. [01:50]
asciilifeform btw in usa they traditionally hand out the winningz piecemeal, to make sure that the lucky fella doesn't do something That Would Be Wrong like cashing out to btc and sending it all to isis [01:51]
asciilifeform or equipping 500 fine young folks with automatic weapons and a reason to live [01:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00073737 = 8.5904 BTC [-] [01:53]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265031 << one interesting mega-feature of 'o street' is that you can actually pay to live in it. [01:54]
assbot Logged on 07-09-2015 04:34:44; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1264753 << reminds me of 'deco' museum in riga. /me goes digging for pics. [01:54]
asciilifeform unlike most museums [01:54]
pete_dushenski by the hour eh [01:54]
asciilifeform by the year if you like. [01:55]
pete_dushenski neato [01:55]
asciilifeform i suspect that the day is not far when lotteries turn into 'lifetime walmart gift card' instead of usd [01:57]
asciilifeform prolly after the first winner catching on to algo of 'cash out to btc, brainwallet' [01:57]
mircea_popescu unsurprising that scum wipes his arse with the money. << that's one angle, and valid. the other angle, perhaps equally valid, is that prisoner kept in prison since birth has imagination of life outside, is let out, in a world much akin the prison inside, goes berserk. [01:57]
pete_dushenski we have '$1k 4 lyf' lotteries here. pretty lulzy [01:57]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i live in same prison, what of it [01:58]
asciilifeform imagination is a thing of the inner world [01:58]
mircea_popescu aha [01:58]
asciilifeform if you don't have it - you ain't a someone. [01:58]
asciilifeform not a person. [01:58]
asciilifeform if it were possible to give 20megausd to a dog, what would he do? [01:58]
asciilifeform buy a megatonne of kibble ? [01:59]
asciilifeform hire squads to collect rotting racoon carcasses from whole city, every day? [01:59]
mircea_popescu buy cats, force them to dress as bitches, fuck them ? [01:59]
asciilifeform nah that'd be a man. [01:59]
asciilifeform with imagination. [01:59]
mircea_popescu afaio dogs like to fuck more than to eat. [01:59]
asciilifeform aha but are satisfied with chairs, telephone poles [01:59]
asciilifeform rather like american consumer. [01:59]
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asciilifeform did other animals queue up ? [02:00]
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mircea_popescu nope [02:00]
asciilifeform like that sea gull [02:00]
mircea_popescu lmao [02:00]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://www.world-art.ru/lyric/lyric.php?id=14707 << related. [02:04]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1EJSbGr ) [02:04]
asciilifeform mega-classic. [02:04]
asciilifeform obligatory: [02:05]
asciilifeform http://rutube.ru/video/5c999e682aedf4d7f08adebda715433f [02:05]
assbot Мультфильм Мультфильм Миллионер — смотрите мультики онлайн бесплатно в хорошем качестве. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EJShOj ) [02:05]
asciilifeform ^ animated version of this poem. [02:05]
asciilifeform also mega-classic. [02:05]
asciilifeform with english subs! [02:06]
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asciilifeform !up Vexual [02:11]
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mats http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265062 << thats genius [02:16]
assbot Logged on 07-09-2015 04:55:15; asciilifeform: i suspect that the day is not far when lotteries turn into 'lifetime walmart gift card' instead of usd [02:16]
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pete_dushenski "Billiards Suite • $4,000/night • sleeps 2 • Our most booked suite! This suite includes exclusive use of the billiards room for 8 hours, plus an adjoining hotel room. This is the most asked for suite in The Mansion for events, as you can sleep (if you choose) or play billiards on a $150,000 classic billiards table." << via o mansion's absurdly bad www [02:32]
pete_dushenski ;;calc 4000/240 [02:33]
gribble 16.6666666667 [02:33]
pete_dushenski so a qntra a week basically. hmm. [02:33]
pete_dushenski ;;calc 109/16.6666666667 [02:34]
gribble 6.53999999999 [02:34]
pete_dushenski something about turkeys (tm) [02:35]
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mircea_popescu https://bitbet.us/bet/1188/dow-jones-industrial-average-dji-to-drop-below/ << such lulzy bets history. [02:43]
assbot BitBet - Dow Jones Industrial Average (^DJI) to drop below 14,000 before 18th September :: 4.39 B (9%) on Yes, 46.99 B (91%) on No | closing in 18 hours 18 minutes | weight: 3`215 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5ArQc ) [02:43]
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pete_dushenski http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-TURBO-X50-/221870469237 << air cooled porsche lulz. at $500k, this 18-year-old 911 turbo x50 is pricier than absolutely everything the firm sells today save the 918, which is a 1/918 unit HYPERCAR that retails for $850k [02:49]
assbot Porsche 911 Turbo X50 | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1XA83kX ) [02:49]
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mats what does ebays cut look like [03:01]
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pete_dushenski ebay just sells flat-rate ads. it's paypal i'd worry about. [03:03]
mats looks like 2.9% [03:03]
mats jesus l0l [03:03]
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pete_dushenski i imagine a wire transfer would be the only reasonable course of action here [03:04]
mats 15k for flipping a buncha bits in a db [03:04]
mats what a robbery [03:05]
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pete_dushenski ya, makes remittances look cheap. so where's the fat rich white guy sitting in his newoldporsche on the phoundation's website ? [03:07]
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mats hes on the casting couch holding the cam for that woman in front of the whiteboard [03:09]
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thestringpuller http://i.imgur.com/VIwv3Qf.png << Advertisements for xt now in the bitcoin subreddit [03:50]
deedbot- [Qntra] Mozilla Vulnerability Hoard Compromised For a Year - http://qntra.net/2015/09/mozilla-vulnerability-hoard-compromised-for-a-year/ [03:58]
davout thestringpuller: haha such nice troll [03:58]
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mircea_popescu lol win. [05:03]
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punkman pete_dushenski: ebay just sells flat-rate ads. << ebay still takes 10% fee on final price (up to $1k or something). and that's before paypal fees. not for cars though. [05:14]
punkman which is why I sometimes find sellers website/email and transact away from ebay [05:15]
punkman for a while you'd see items priced $0.1 and rest of price in shipping costs, which worked to minimize fees. [05:17]
punkman new Firefox feature on new tab page http://i.imgur.com/A9Ngwxw.png [05:27]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1LT1iUW ) [05:27]
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punkman http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/09/05/0/ [06:43]
assbot A history of modern init systems (1992-2015) ... ( http://bit.ly/1NkWpqH ) [06:43]
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punkman http://www.archdaily.com/395363/india-s-forgotten-stepwells [06:49]
assbot India's Forgotten Stepwells | ArchDaily ... ( http://bit.ly/1JOgwKb ) [06:49]
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punkman http://www.techworm.net/2015/08/unhackable-version-of-windows-built-by-israeli-security-company.html [07:13]
assbot Unhackable Version of Windows Built By Israeli Security Company ... ( http://bit.ly/1JOjEWc ) [07:13]
mircea_popescu lolrly [07:14]
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cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265113 <<< can buy porsche with paypal account? i'll take 10! [07:37]
assbot Logged on 07-09-2015 06:01:17; pete_dushenski: ebay just sells flat-rate ads. it's paypal i'd worry about. [07:37]
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shinohai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265145 <<< This I got to see. Thanks jooz for the morning lulz. [08:10]
assbot Logged on 07-09-2015 10:11:16; assbot: Unhackable Version of Windows Built By Israeli Security Company ... ( http://bit.ly/1JOjEWc ) [08:10]
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mircea_popescu oh for crying out loud. [08:36]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell Belxjander you haven't actually fixed your connection. [08:36]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform alrighty, so i won't continue it then. [19:34]
mircea_popescu as jurov's not actually said anything re his theoretically present but upon examination inexistent connection or w/e it was, this leaves the problem of where to host open. [19:35]
mircea_popescu and if it stays open till early oct, nosuchlabs won't have a server until it gets resolved. [19:35]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform for that matter, is it safe to shut down now ? you have backups and everything ? [19:49]
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trinque !up kdomanski [20:13]
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trinque kdomanski: hi, who are you? [20:14]
kdomanski old frequenter who's been away [20:14]
trinque wb [20:15]
kdomanski have you guys heard about the whole opensource LGBT drama where a bunch of people wanted a guy out of and OSS project 'cause he said something politically incorrect on twitter? [20:16]
kdomanski *an [20:16]
mats this would not surprise anyone [20:16]
trinque kdomanski: yeah, the ruby thing? not that I don't expect this has happened many times [20:17]
kdomanski trinque: that one exactly [20:17]
kdomanski https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941 [20:17]
assbot Transphobic maintainer should be removed from project · Issue #941 · opal/opal · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1QkREMj ) [20:17]
kdomanski pages and pages of drama [20:17]
kdomanski popcorn advised [20:17]
trinque kdomanski: yeah, a guy I know more or less shouted "tranny hater!" at me for not caring about it [20:17]
kdomanski haha [20:18]
kdomanski I cound 7 occurences of the word "privilege" [20:18]
trinque the SJWs can have Ruby; it's a steaming pile of shit [20:22]
kdomanski +1 [20:22]
trinque ;;later tell gabriel_laddel Conkeror has made its way into daily use; JS debugging tips? Best thing providing a JS REPL in Emacs? [20:23]
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davout trinque: ahem. [20:29]
trinque davout: wat [20:30]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it is to be backed up, for the last time, over the next couplea days. [20:30]
davout let's start a ruby flame war [20:30]
trinque davout: ruby is objectively butts. rebuttal? [20:30]
davout i like the language, the community much much less [20:31]
trinque I've done some ruby; mostly just yelling [20:31]
mats http://colin.keigher.ca/2015/09/geotrustsymantec-has-revoked-all-ssl.html [20:31]
assbot Colin Keigher: Geotrust/Symantec has revoked all SSL certificates for .PW TLD domains ... ( http://bit.ly/1QkSQPI ) [20:31]
davout trinque: it has unicorns installable as a convenient ruby gem [20:31]
trinque davout: the whimsy, which I blame on that "Why" guy, bleh [20:31]
davout "Is this what the other maintainers want to be reflected in the project? Will any transgender developers feel comfortable contributing?" [20:31]
davout ugh, transgender people either have something to contribute, or they don't, like the fucking rest of us [20:32]
trinque nah diversity is a kind of magic dust you sprinkle on your products, and "radical innovation" sprouts [20:32]
kdomanski trinque: you forgot "disrupting" [20:33]
trinque kdomanski: I am a white male; what do I know anyway? [20:33]
davout "Requesting contributions before being heard is a pretty low stab as well - you are basically saying that opinions gain worth with merit." <<< oh god [20:33]
kdomanski trinque: shame on you, check your privilege [20:33]
trinque it's still there. [20:34]
* trinque brb, food [20:34]
davout trinque: kek [20:35]
kdomanski "unless @elia is removed from the project, I cannot learn Ruby, and thus can't get a job in Ruby development" [20:39]
shinohai til you really don't need anything special to perform a DoS attack on reddit besides a script that constantly f5's the page. [20:43]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform alrighty. [21:07]
mircea_popescu popcorn advised << nobody really gives a shit. the countless fucktards trying to parlay their "issues" and "political awareness" and so forth into actual subject matter relevancy only succeed in their own estimation. [21:08]
mircea_popescu i'm sure there's an "airforce expert pilots" club somewhere in djbouti, made out of people who agree among themselves on djbotardit and twidji. meanwhile djbouti's only airplane is a boat. [21:09]
kdomanski mircea_popescu: the problem is, they actually manage to impact relevant stuff with their bullshit [21:12]
mircea_popescu davout: ruby is objectively butts. rebuttal? <<< bwahahaha. unrebutt able objectibutts language! [21:12]
mircea_popescu kdomanski liek ? [21:12]
kdomanski mircea_popescu: getting people fired [21:12]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1264646 & succ. [21:12]
assbot Logged on 07-09-2015 00:32:12; mircea_popescu: What kind of poppycock is that? Won't hire me if I have been negative online. << it's not hiring as much as living wage layer two. do you want to be like the niggers, getting free pills and welfare checks ? that's living wage layer zero. move to the ghetto. are you instead happy with the minimum wage, tax rebates, etc bullshit ? that's layer one, move to suburbia. [21:12]
mircea_popescu people who depend on welfare should learn to suck the cock of their patrons better. [21:13]
* mircea_popescu does not support the theory dependents have rights. [21:13]
davout kdomanski: maybe in the us... but not anywhere else [21:13]
mircea_popescu moreover, software "employees" should be fired. if they're any good that's the best thing that could ever happen to them, and if they suck why would anyone keep em. [21:14]
kdomanski in most places if you have a SJW mob coming after you it will be difficult for you to conduct business [21:15]
mircea_popescu hasn't affected me. [21:15]
* mircea_popescu has lost count of the angry mobs by now. [21:15]
kdomanski mircea_popescu: then again, you aren't most people [21:16]
mircea_popescu which is kinda my point here. some shit's being conflated. like that ancient ditty, "si quis, inquis, dives est, tum cenare potest cum cupit. si pauper, tum cenare debet cum potest." [21:17]
mircea_popescu if the people you talk about may have opinions, then this doesn't affect them. if it does, then they should have gotten their head out of their ass, understood their situation as slaves and put more effort into massaging the cock of their owners more betterer. [21:17]
mircea_popescu no "little o' tis, little o' that" on the table. [21:18]
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kdomanski mircea_popescu: I understand is is colorful metaphor for "if you can't take the fallout, STFU and keep your opinions to yourself"? [21:19]
mircea_popescu could work like that yea. [21:19]
mircea_popescu but it's deeper, really. "your impression you may have oppinions MUST be predicated on your certainty you can in fact back them up." [21:20]
mircea_popescu people aren't born with the right to like and dislike and opine and so forth. people are born "women and children", which is to say with the obligation to adapt to others likes and dislikes. we call these others "their betters". [21:21]
mircea_popescu some people progress from there, some don't, and that's it. [21:21]
kdomanski I'm quite certain that ability to prove his statements scientifically (i.e. transsexuals not being homo sapiens) woudn't matter in this context [21:22]
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mircea_popescu i doubt you could prove such a thing. [21:23]
mircea_popescu you'll end up with "actors aren'ty human" and other avatars of medieval thoughtmire. [21:23]
kdomanski many politically incorrect opinions about race vs intelligence and such have scientific grounds but are nevertheless successfully persecuted [21:24]
mircea_popescu science isn't a present day version of "my older brother's in the navy seals" / "we are god's chosen people" where somehow it gives you a magic golen ticket to things. [21:24]
mircea_popescu but you're right, a lot of perfectly avoidable, self constructed problems are patently traceable to that misimpression being perhaps deliberately induced in children. [21:25]
kdomanski well I'm uncertain what in your mind qualifies as "backing them (opinions) up" [21:27]
shinohai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1265811 <<< I daresay this is my most quoted statement here to date. [21:27]
assbot Logged on 08-09-2015 00:10:38; assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 00:32:12; mircea_popescu: What kind of poppycock is that? Won't hire me if I have been negative online. << it's not hiring as much as living wage layer two. do you want to be like the niggers, getting free pills and welfare checks ? that's living wage layer zero. move to the ghetto. are you instead happy with the minimum wage, tax rebates, etc bullshit ? that's [21:27]
mircea_popescu kdomanski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1265817 and the next coupla work as a standard i'd say. [21:27]
assbot Logged on 08-09-2015 00:13:05; mircea_popescu: hasn't affected me. [21:27]
kdomanski so, might makes right [21:28]
trinque might makes "it happened" [21:28]
mircea_popescu no. absence of might makes wrong. [21:28]
mircea_popescu the mighty may be right, or then again may well be wrong. but the weak are always and unexcusably in the wrong. [21:29]
kdomanski thus, the guy should have know better and STFU? [21:29]
mircea_popescu if there's actual fallout, yes. [21:30]
mircea_popescu he's approximately the male equivalent of thew usian stripper with an attitude. [21:30]
kdomanski kinda makes sense [21:30]
mircea_popescu (that said, i very much doubt any fallout whatsoever can ever occur. so he lost a job ? gets another one. or gets welfare. big whoop.) [21:31]
kdomanski I don't think they actually did any damage in this case, but sometimes they ruin careers [21:32]
mircea_popescu im sure sometimes the bugaboo got some kids. not in this case, nor in this neighbourhood, nor you know. [21:32]
mircea_popescu just... sometimes! i'm sure! [21:32]
mircea_popescu so be good if you don't wantthe bugaboo to get you too! like it got those other kids. [21:32]
kdomanski remember the guy who laughed at "fuck her right in the pussy"? [21:32]
mircea_popescu mno [21:32]
kdomanski a female reporter asked him why did he laugh [21:33]
trinque kdomanski: I can say I've worked at software companies that did not police humor or politics in the slightest [21:33]
kdomanski "because it was funny" [21:33]
kdomanski they did get that one fired [21:33]
mircea_popescu remember the guy who got shot by a cop on a bike, because the cop had inferiority complex for not having a car so he stuck his head and torso through the ghuy's window ? [21:33]
mircea_popescu it's the land of freakarama over there, what do you think an example's gonna do ? [21:34]
kdomanski yeah [21:34]
kdomanski the actual long-lasting damage being done here is: now they're assembling an universal code of conduct or whatever [21:34]
mircea_popescu and ftrr, what is a "career" ? who do you know that has "a career" ? [21:34]
mircea_popescu bubble's going out and everyone's out on their ass, career or no career. this isn't showbiz, it's computer slavery. [21:35]
mircea_popescu then bubble's back on and they hire any shaved monkey with a pulse. [21:35]
mircea_popescu etc. [21:35]
shinohai !b3 [21:35]
mircea_popescu kdomanski the deep reason is that you folk can't eat on your own. obviously there's going to be a code of conduct : he who lives in his parents house observes the fucking rules neh . [21:35]
shinohai shit [21:36]
mircea_popescu seinfeld ~had~ a career. it lasted a decade, and he quit while ahead. who the fuck in software has a career ? [21:36]
mircea_popescu the lolcows. gavin and co, and it's a shitty career in unintentional comedy at that. [21:37]
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mircea_popescu who the fuck even came up with the idea the concept of "career" is meaningful in a space which mostly aims to hire 20yos. [21:37]
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mircea_popescu does anyone even think afore using words anymore ?! [21:38]
kdomanski in a space which mostly aims to hire 20yos << that's merely a subset of that space [21:38]
mircea_popescu yeah. the subset in discussion : that follows twitter, shoiws up for conferences and derps at yshittynator events. [21:39]
kdomanski mircea_popescu: it does get them richer than anything else they could possibly do with their lives [21:40]
mircea_popescu proving once more that the fetish of wealth is a very poor compass for one's life. [21:40]
kdomanski which is trivial sophism once one is already wealthy [21:41]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265166 << this happens to be exactly what they did the one time they did it. [21:41]
assbot Logged on 07-09-2015 12:51:20; funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264466 <-- absolutely positively the case, ty. What, do you think a starfaring person would travel light years, collect protons, return home? [21:41]
mircea_popescu kdomanski or appears so. i hold it isn't a sophism. [21:41]
mircea_popescu but i'm not getting too far with alf on this line either, so. [21:42]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265169 << definitely. [21:42]
assbot Logged on 07-09-2015 12:52:20; jurov: are dns samples "cultural exchange"? [21:42]
trinque kdomanski: since money is political, you might consider it a compass to the extent that you agree with the prevailing politics [21:43]
trinque really drives home how destructive market distortions can be [21:44]
mircea_popescu the other important point is, "whether you get to actually hold it". riches subject to riders like "you may only use this to inflate real estate bubble" aren't much yours anyway. [21:44]
mircea_popescu teenaged kids with whoremongering fathers often borrow the cars those drive in an attempt to cargo-cult the whores they bang into existence. perhaps they could be embodied out of their classmates or something. [21:44]
kdomanski trinque: money allows to exert influence on people regardless of their political stance [21:45]
mircea_popescu still, it's not their god damned car. and so no, not rich. merely posing with opr. [21:45]
mircea_popescu bitcoin does. usd does not. kinda why we don't like it./ [21:45]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265193 << is he basically saying "i'll pay for your daughter" ? [21:47]
assbot Logged on 07-09-2015 12:59:22; funkenstein_: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/3BKKJB8.txt [21:47]
pete_dushenski that's the 3 bitcent question [21:49]
mircea_popescu http://news.slashdot.org/story/99/12/10/0821224/esr-writes-on-surprised-by-wealth "arry thought that respect was an asset worth shelling out 150,000 shares of VA for." << jesus esr;s such a twerp. [21:50]
assbot ESR Writes on "Surprised By Wealth" - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ENcd2q ) [21:50]
mircea_popescu "i was an integral part of the gnu sellout, and i feel kinda bad about it so i'll just pretend i didn't do anything and hey, the communitards are too dumb to know shit from their face." [21:51]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the man is insufferable in person, also [21:51]
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mircea_popescu there's this borderline autistic hypocrisy behaviour that somehow's really represented in my head by the oss folks. [21:52]
midnightmagic Is there somewhere I can read more about how deedbot works under the hood and where I can find its proofs and such? [21:52]
mircea_popescu not that rms doesn't display plenty of it. myst be something in unix that makes people go "hey, i can just ignore the classes i don't want to use right now" or somesuch. [21:52]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'once the rockets go up, who cares where they come down ! ...' [21:52]
mircea_popescu midnightmagic this very log :) [21:53]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-06-2014#718931 << the spec. iirc trinque's implementation is you concat the msgs and sha512 it for a key seed. [21:54]
assbot Logged on 14-06-2014 11:59:24; mircea_popescu: so based on mike_c's discussion last night, i think i have a very good addition to b-a kako. it'd go like this : [21:54]
pete_dushenski trinque: what would it take to revive []bot to scoop new bitbet proposals and >1 btc wagers ? [21:54]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1265812 << if this recipe were actually followed, you get a usg reich that lasts 10,000 years. still want ? [21:55]
assbot Logged on 08-09-2015 00:10:48; mircea_popescu: people who depend on welfare should learn to suck the cock of their patrons better. [21:55]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform if you think the reich collapses "because the people"... [21:55]
mircea_popescu srsly ? [21:55]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: I'd like to start pointing people away from proofofexistence and other incompatible nonsense and IIRC, deedbot is careful/efficient in how it stores stuff in the blockchain. If that is so, I'd like to point newbs at.. like a website or something, if it exists. [21:55]
asciilifeform but instead, the teenage idiot who wants the car, the money, ~and~ to disobey father - is the mover of civilization. [21:55]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: I'll re-read the logs. [21:56]
Michail1 midnightmagic mikaeldice MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mius mixdio [21:56]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not 'because the people' so much as 'because not giving a fuck' [21:56]
asciilifeform as per the su example [21:56]
mircea_popescu midnightmagic a valid point, i don't think the whole thing's properly packaged for public consumption. [21:56]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform all reichs always collapse because of the reich, and the outside enemies. never was it the case "the people" did anything relevant. [21:56]
pete_dushenski midnightmagic: http://deedbot.org/ << seen ? [21:56]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1UxGNEF ) [21:56]
asciilifeform there is ~failing to do~ [21:56]
midnightmagic pete_dushenski, mircea_popescu: thanks, I'll re-read. [21:57]
asciilifeform as in, failing to properly serve satan in his hour of need (tm) [21:57]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes, but they have no contribution in that. [21:57]
trinque deedbot- isn't currently n00b friendly at all, no. And I'll always prefer that people are in good standing in the WoT to use it. [21:57]
asciilifeform the contribution of nonparticipation. [21:57]
mircea_popescu trinque that part's not going away. but a faq page explaining how to construct the payout address would be helpful. [21:57]
trinque pete_dushenski: is that just another RSS feed? [21:57]
asciilifeform of becoming furnace stokers and night watchmen instead of engineers, as per the su example. [21:57]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform that happens because THEY HAVE NO CHOICE [21:58]
mircea_popescu that they try to pretend like "thgey did it", sure, the scum that they are would. [21:58]
trinque mircea_popescu: I was thinking of releasing a script that you hand a doc, and it farts out the address [21:58]
trinque would probably be nice to stick on the website. [21:58]
mircea_popescu better to explain what's to be done, let people work their own script [21:58]
mircea_popescu it's for money after all. [21:58]
trinque fair enough [21:58]
pete_dushenski trinque: hm. https://bitbet.us/rss/new/ << this part covers the new proposals. can't say i'm fully versed in how the >1 btc bets were teased out. best ask kakobrekla [21:58]
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mircea_popescu rss. [21:59]
mircea_popescu !s bitbet rss [21:59]
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trinque kakobrekla: lemme know what feed and I'll add it [22:00]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1265848 << mircea_popescu, like most non-us folk, has a disastrously exaggerated concept of 'can get welfare.' in practice, you HAVE to be black, female, have bastard children, preferably - all 3 [22:00]
assbot Logged on 08-09-2015 00:29:06; mircea_popescu: (that said, i very much doubt any fallout whatsoever can ever occur. so he lost a job ? gets another one. or gets welfare. big whoop.) [22:00]
asciilifeform can get 'food stamps' more often, but need multiple years of tax returns demonstrating being a pauper, typically [22:00]
* trinque saw a healthy hippy chick buying expensive groceries with a food-stamps card yesterday [22:00]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the last us citizen that actually took out less than what he put in died sometime in the 80s. [22:01]
trinque she was like 19-20 [22:01]
asciilifeform trinque: 10 to 1 odds the card is her mother's [22:01]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i don't expect to ever meet this mythical animal, aha [22:01]
trinque I think the bums around here all know you can get "assistance" [22:01]
asciilifeform trinque: IF YOU ARE THEM [22:01]
asciilifeform try getting it ~while being YOU~ [22:01]
trinque yeah but some kid just decides to be a bum, because it's a lifestyle [22:01]
trinque sure not me, I look worth a shit [22:01]
asciilifeform gotta decide young [22:02]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no middle ground. either be them or don't need to bitch about it! [22:02]
asciilifeform having a job history (and if you paid tax, it is impossible to conceal) counts against you. [22:02]
mircea_popescu iirc ballas said if you were ever employed, you're fucked. [22:02]
asciilifeform aha [22:02]
asciilifeform he is entirely correct. [22:02]
mircea_popescu then again, /me has never been employed. [22:02]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1265852 << re: this and the entire thread: it might surprise mircea_popescu, but i have never seen this idiocy alive up close, nor know anyone who will attest to having done so; it is really a west coast / sv thing as far as i can tell. [22:04]
assbot Logged on 08-09-2015 00:30:31; mircea_popescu: so be good if you don't wantthe bugaboo to get you too! like it got those other kids. [22:04]
asciilifeform mainly afflicting the www 'industry' & co. [22:05]
mircea_popescu "industry" [22:05]
asciilifeform aha [22:05]
mircea_popescu it's really so fantasmagoric it needs triple quotes [22:05]
asciilifeform in-dust-ry. [22:05]
asciilifeform emphasis on 'dust' [22:05]
mircea_popescu i mean time warner paid a billion for myspace which was worth ~0, sure, turner's old and stupid. [22:05]
mircea_popescu but the notion that twitter's worth money... [22:05]
asciilifeform as pictured in the very relevant mircea_popescu piece, 'this is not money that anyone had to work to earn and save, it is created with a button press' [22:06]
mircea_popescu i stopped reading after "this is not money". [22:06]
thestringpuller three cheers for jurov [22:06]
* mircea_popescu has had his fill of retarded teenagers sitting around crediting each other's socioeconomicosexual-and-otherwise wholly imagined accomplishments sometime around the age of 15. [22:07]
mircea_popescu seems the us is only now catching on to this thing. [22:07]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1265863 << i associate the word with the army and little else [22:08]
assbot Logged on 08-09-2015 00:32:41; mircea_popescu: and ftrr, what is a "career" ? who do you know that has "a career" ? [22:08]
asciilifeform it doesn't really make much sense elsewhere... [22:08]
mircea_popescu there are fields where careers exist. you can have a career as a surgeon. oncologist diagnosticians in particular are the fathers of all careerdom, [22:08]
mircea_popescu it takes 30 years' worth of looking at fucking probes to spot the cells. [22:08]
asciilifeform !s which screw [22:09]
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mircea_popescu but nobody goes "hey, let's hire this guy, he's in 3rd year medical school" [22:09]
mircea_popescu when that happens in a field, a career's in principle impossible. [22:09]
mircea_popescu which is why everyone's idea of "career in software" are ridoinculous derps like ers, who do have a career alright [22:09]
mircea_popescu except it's not software, it's showbiz. [22:09]
kakobrekla kanzure kdomanski Keefe King_Rex knotwork KRS1 kushed kuzetsa [22:13]
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kdomanski mircea_popescu: you know there's software outside of what the silly con valley does [22:13]
mircea_popescu !gettrust assbot kdomanski [22:13]
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kdomanski exempli gratia: if you want to make software for aircraft or tanks, you need to be playing the "career" game for decades [22:13]
mircea_popescu !rate kdomanski 1 New blood [22:14]
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mats thats not true [22:14]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1265872 << ergo my reaction to those times when ben_vulpes, trinque, etc express bewilderment at my refusal to 'work in software' [22:14]
assbot Logged on 08-09-2015 00:35:43; mircea_popescu: who the fuck even came up with the idea the concept of "career" is meaningful in a space which mostly aims to hire 20yos. [22:14]
mats i know several folks hired out of univ to write ada for e.g. lockheed [22:14]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1265876 << the interesting part is that this is OPTIONAL. for everyone. even the lowest indian programmer, DOES NOT HAVE TO derpference. [22:14]
assbot Logged on 08-09-2015 00:37:10; mircea_popescu: yeah. the subset in discussion : that follows twitter, shoiws up for conferences and derps at yshittynator events. [22:14]
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mats following internships. [22:15]
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asciilifeform !up kdomanski [22:15]
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asciilifeform kdomanski: mats is right. it is enough to choose your parents carefully. [22:15]
kdomanski I didn't know that [22:15]
kdomanski then again, I'm not from US [22:15]
mircea_popescu amusingly enough, THIS blows a heck of a hole in asciilifeform's fairy tale hopes and dreams [22:15]
mircea_popescu about how somewhere there are real programmers for real [22:16]
asciilifeform sure there are [22:16]
mats its an uphill battle, sure. but there's also still a sense of 'meritocracy' in place for a lot of american engineers. [22:16]
mircea_popescu making bridges^H^H^H^H airplanes ^H^H^H^ something!!1 [22:16]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i work with them [22:16]
mats you got the chops, you show le code, many shops will hire you on the strength of that alone [22:16]
mircea_popescu mats for the same money, there's still a sense of "t bills are worth something" still in place for a lot of americans. [22:16]
asciilifeform mats: 'many' may be an exaggeration, but yes, exists [22:17]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'if it covers the rent and the swill, it's money' approximately [22:17]
kdomanski there's shops who hire code monkeys by the kilograms and there's shops where they _almost_ engineer [22:17]
asciilifeform (it is actually script, yes, there is a word for it, aha) [22:17]
asciilifeform *scrip [22:17]
asciilifeform scrip. [22:17]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform amusingly, do you know what other field pretends like "career" exists while people mostly hiring teenagers ? [22:18]
mircea_popescu PORN ACTING!!11 [22:18]
mircea_popescu im telling you... software's just how boys whore out. [22:18]
asciilifeform of the human compiler variety - yes. [22:18]
mats maybe. i know of no less than a dozen folks that did such menial labor as retail slavery, telephone support slavery, etc... that got hired on in dev roles after furnishing a repo populated through a year with code motivated by said slavery [22:18]
mircea_popescu mats i maintain this is more welfare than hiring. [22:18]
asciilifeform mats: i work with just such a man [22:18]
asciilifeform again mircea_popescu conflates the sv world with the actual world. [22:19]
mircea_popescu for fun and profit! [22:19]
asciilifeform yes, it puts out bright light, other things almost impossible to see next to it. [22:19]
mircea_popescu fun, mostly. [22:19]
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mircea_popescu re the "refugee problem" : so the us has been derping about "being a regional power" and sheriffing things and places for reasons. [22:22]
mircea_popescu now europe gotta pay for 1-2mn refugees that came out of all that. [22:22]
mircea_popescu i wonder if it's gonna send the us the bill. [22:22]
asciilifeform didn't want this? don't join nato. [22:22]
mircea_popescu a very modest 5 trillion or something. [22:22]
asciilifeform 'like sledding, like pulling the sled' (tm) [22:22]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform right, because they'd have gone to russia instead. [22:22]
mircea_popescu they don't just blindly go to where things are. [22:22]
asciilifeform try 'go to russia.' [22:22]
asciilifeform (they don't 'nordicsystem' there, no.) [22:23]
mircea_popescu they also don't have much the pakistani couldn't get at home. [22:24]
asciilifeform aha [22:24]
asciilifeform other than rapemeat [22:24]
mircea_popescu i dun know how exactly a buncha pakistani would catch up to a russian she-hound. [22:25]
mircea_popescu maybe if they lay traps or something. otherwise it's like turkeys chasing coughars. [22:25]
asciilifeform ask chechen ? [22:25]
* mircea_popescu doesn't know any [22:25]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265316 << "Part and parcel of the present dispute is to clearly make the point that Gavin Andresen does not have the authority to enact or create a hardfork of the Bitcoin network, nor any sort of significant clout, cachet, power to influence the matter etc. [22:27]
mircea_popescu This will be useful for the Bitcoin network first and foremost, because Gavin is, by and large, a mentally retarded doofus displaying a shocking amount of Dunning-Kruger syndrome in his assorted dabblings in economics and other hard fields." [22:27]
assbot Logged on 07-09-2015 16:12:33; pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8l11q9hsJM << “I don't think any of us—especially those five people—want to be the high priests of Bitcoin. We need to find a new way of governing—a new way of coming to decisions and have everyone be happy with the process and the decisions that are reached.” [22:27]
mircea_popescu he could have just accepted it then. but no, idiots gotta derp first. [22:28]
mircea_popescu so now we're going to spin as "it's not rape if we wilfully spread for mp's will" ? mmmmkay. [22:28]
asciilifeform wai wut [22:28]
* mircea_popescu 's feelings r all hurt by this. [22:28]
asciilifeform did i miss this spreading ? [22:28]
thestringpuller trinque: nah diversity is a kind of magic dust you sprinkle on your products << could you elaborate? Makes it sound like Chappelle's joke on cops sprinkling crack on black guys at crime scenes. "Open and shut case Johnson! Now lets sprinkle some crack on him and call it a night." [22:29]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform in the quote. [22:29]
asciilifeform i don't see it. [22:29]
asciilifeform they want to rule without publicly sitting on a throne, yes [22:29]
asciilifeform not the same as surrender. [22:29]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265320 << youtube doesn't work that way, but anyways. [22:29]
assbot Logged on 07-09-2015 16:15:52; *: pete_dushenski doesn't recommend wasting 80 mins of precious life watching gavin derp on podcast. just for historical reference and record. [22:29]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform and the dead want to eat pussy, surely. [22:30]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265342 << except it's really a case of "how debian is not only stealing linux from the people who made it, but is attempting to steal their having been stolen from, too!" [22:31]
assbot Logged on 07-09-2015 17:14:04; punkman: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/how-debian-is-trying-to-shut-down-the-cia-and-make-software-trustworthy-again [22:31]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265359 << doh. [22:32]
assbot Logged on 07-09-2015 17:29:28; pete_dushenski: apparently ashley madison was yet another mommy blogger/daddy investor 'make money while you sleep' scam [22:32]
pete_dushenski thestringpuller: "i saw this once when i was a rookie, nigger broke in and put up picture of his family everywhere. let's sprinkle some crack on him and get outta here." [22:33]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/spamming-reddit-an-experiment/#selection-3043.1-3043.123 being the controlling point there. [22:33]
assbot Spamming reddit, an "experiment". on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1XDVtRu ) [22:33]
mircea_popescu "I want the average redditor to understand that when he interacts with a screen name, he is not interracting with a person." [22:33]
mircea_popescu the end of social media will come exactly like how nobody could have predicted it by reading a 2014 trilema article. [22:33]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265368 << you're plain out wrong. everyone gets to, and a lot of people much dumber than you are, and have. and you know this for a fact yourself. and will continue to do so. [22:35]
assbot Logged on 07-09-2015 17:35:46; ascii_field: the real enabler is usg, of course, because not just anyone gets to harvest the chump armies. [22:35]
asciilifeform they are placed well. [22:35]
mircea_popescu no, they are not. [22:35]
pete_dushenski or just 'ambitious' [22:35]
mircea_popescu they're just numerous and don't give a fuck. [22:35]
asciilifeform ^ now this, possibly. [22:36]
mircea_popescu this is an essenmtial ingredient of all action. you have to, in some degree, in some shape, somewhere, not give a fuck. [22:36]
asciilifeform and be numerous, l0l [22:36]
mircea_popescu this is exactly how you drive, for the record. [22:36]
mircea_popescu but yers, for as long as you delude yourself into needing permission, guess what. [22:36]
mircea_popescu you will need it. [22:36]
asciilifeform it is not so much about permission as it is about enculturation. [22:37]
trinque thestringpuller: heh that's a great chappelle skit. I was mocking the oft heard magical thinking that diversity in say software companies is *inherently* good. [22:37]
mircea_popescu trinque ironically enough, ACTUAL diversity WOULD be inherently good. [22:38]
mircea_popescu what's never going to be good is hiring some inept crowd followrs. they're gay, don't you know, because they saw it on tv. [22:38]
trinque yeah, diverse group of highly competent people? sounds fine [22:38]
mircea_popescu you don't see "diversity is inherently good so we've hired a fbi most wanted guy" [22:39]
trinque this means bronies and trannies [22:39]
trinque heh [22:39]
mircea_popescu and we want the fed to change regulations because they're getting in the way of paying our employee [22:39]
mircea_popescu who is saving to blow up the fed. [22:39]
mircea_popescu diversity ftw. [22:39]
trinque but you can pick from one of the 8 state sanctioned personalities! [22:39]
mircea_popescu diversitit! [22:40]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265428 << post it ? [22:41]
assbot Logged on 07-09-2015 18:10:40; trinque: ahaha I just got an e-mail from "pantera capital" addressed to [FirstName] inviting me to apply for funding. [22:41]
BingoBoingo trinque: SUre it isn't a spearfish? [22:42]
trinque oh actually it might've been; it's asking me to invest with "pantera capital" or something [22:43]
* trinque dpastes [22:43]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265456 << this is actually how it goes. or to hear graham say it, "tech millionaires are savvy about how to make the ponzi grow." [22:43]
assbot Logged on 07-09-2015 18:17:30; ascii_field: or invested in best phriend's 'sure to make megabux!!11!!11' sv idiocy [22:43]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266089 << if you 'often hear' this, you may be standing too close to the beast-who-digests-for-800-years [22:44]
assbot Logged on 08-09-2015 01:35:19; trinque: thestringpuller: heh that's a great chappelle skit. I was mocking the oft heard magical thinking that diversity in say software companies is *inherently* good. [22:44]
mircea_popescu who the fuck is "Ron Glantz" [22:44]
trinque http://i.imgur.com/0ZIjfYw.png << upon second inspection, has to be a scam [22:44]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ql2Rwp ) [22:44]
mircea_popescu omfg gina glantz's wife !? [22:45]
asciilifeform trinque: you so much as entertained the notion that it is ~not~ a scam ?!! [22:45]
mircea_popescu dude check it out lmao. the hamplanet transgenderderpatron is investing in bitcoin nao [22:45]
trinque only glanced and junkmailed [22:45]
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mircea_popescu ftr pantera capital = Ron Glantz Director of Research ; Matt Gorham Trader ; Jed McCaleb Venture Partner ; Dan Morehead CEO ; Paul Veradittakit Vice President ; Steve Waterhouse Partner [22:46]
mircea_popescu just in case any of the friends of scammer&idiot club need to know after a few years why they're blacklisted. [22:47]
pete_dushenski http://qntra.net/2014/12/changetip-raises-3-5-million-lead-by-pantera-capital/ << [22:48]
assbot ChangeTip Raises $3.5 Million Lead by Pantera Capital | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ql39Dy ) [22:48]
pete_dushenski wasn't mccaleb from stellar or ripple or something ? [22:48]
asciilifeform l0l it's a real american corp [22:48]
asciilifeform how classy [22:48]
trinque https://twitter.com/PanteraCapital/status/640952461637775360 << definitely a scam [22:48]
* asciilifeform assumed it was a spamcorp [22:49]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265470 <<< the only thing that goes with this is http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-they-dont-tell-you-when-they-bring-you-those-papers-to-sign/#selection-115.0-123.37 [22:49]
assbot Logged on 07-09-2015 18:20:59; pete_dushenski: " It’s not going to make much of a dent in (for example) medical insurance, thanks to the statist bastards who’ve driven health-care costs into the stratosphere through their incessant meddling. (They cost my wife her job, too – that’s been psychologically rough on her.)" << moar esr from punkman's link [22:49]
assbot Here's what they don't tell you when they bring you those papers to sign on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ql38iY ) [22:49]
mircea_popescu derp made a deal, sold out the thing, a decade later is out on his ass. [22:49]
mircea_popescu where is his derpitude now ? [22:49]
mircea_popescu oh he knew so much better then, and "of course" this and that. [22:49]
mircea_popescu and now ? where's the letter going "i was a fucking imbecile to sign with the usg!!11" [22:49]
mircea_popescu where's shrem's for that matter ? [22:49]
mircea_popescu idiots aren't truly idiots unless they stay unaware of their idiocy throughout. [22:50]
pete_dushenski also beggin for donations [22:50]
mircea_popescu i'm going to donate to him right after i'm done donating to vessenes. [22:50]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: don't wait for this letter. after all, he still has a skin for them to take [22:50]
mircea_popescu right. [22:50]
asciilifeform btw, perhaps the lightest, but still not forgotten, of esr's crimes is his theft of the 'hacker's dictionary' [22:51]
mircea_popescu i dun know how to put it plainer than : the war is between smart people and stupid people. [22:51]
mircea_popescu if you are not fighting with the smart people to opress the stupid, [22:51]
asciilifeform which he appropriated, slapped own name on the cover, and peppered with idiot invented words with no history [22:51]
mircea_popescu you are then fighting wqith the stupid to opress the smart. [22:51]
mircea_popescu there's no neutrality in this matter. [22:51]
mircea_popescu pick a side and die with it. you will. [22:51]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-05-2015#1119815 << oblig [22:52]
assbot Logged on 04-05-2015 19:28:02; ascii_field: 'The problem is that "exploitation" happens only to people stupider (and consequently less informed) than the "exploiter". The root cause of this whole world problem is that some people are smarter than others. There are two basic solutions to this problem: Kill all the morons, or kill all the brains. If you look at how several political regimes have behaved throughout history, you mi [22:52]
asciilifeform (naggumism) [22:52]
asciilifeform esr is ~the~ 'plowing fly' of linux. [22:52]
mircea_popescu pretty much. [22:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform in terms of actual work done, rms is not that far behind [22:53]
mircea_popescu and i don't mean code work. intellectual work altogether. [22:53]
mircea_popescu he's not nearly the strategic mind he masturbares himself over. [22:53]
asciilifeform meet esr in the flesh - the gasbag won't ever shut up about how his fingers were 'on everything.' -- and they were. [22:53]
asciilifeform just not in the sense he claimed. [22:53]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: eben moglen did 90% of what rms is famous for. [22:53]
asciilifeform rms, interestingly, did to emacs something much like esr tried to do to the things he sprayed his piss on [22:54]
asciilifeform emacs in a recognizable form long pre-dated rms. [22:55]
asciilifeform but rms is a man of much greater talent, and isn't really a snake the way esr is. [22:55]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265515 << also, they discovered the victims were actually white. [22:55]
assbot Logged on 07-09-2015 19:40:08; ascii_field: 2011 trial "contributed to the mob mentality potentially inherent in instantaneous, unbridled, passionate online discourse," the court said. In light of that, the appellate court found a fair trial wasn't possible.' [22:55]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform me is unpersuaded as to this talent. [22:56]
asciilifeform given as things did not turn to shit while they were in his hands - i must say yes [22:56]
asciilifeform but i know neither of them personally. can only judge 'by their fruits.' [22:57]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265534 << i've been having nothing but hot dentists! at least one was totally privy to this, ample cleavage. [22:57]
assbot Logged on 07-09-2015 19:52:22; kakobrekla: find yourself a hot dentist. [22:57]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the man who digs into an untenable position may be well intended, but he is still not a talented commander. [22:58]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: recall that rms began long before 'personal' variety of computer was worth a sparrow's fart. [22:58]
asciilifeform the present-day turn of events was not dreamt of. [22:59]
mircea_popescu so ? [22:59]
mircea_popescu talent means dreamt of. [22:59]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265575 << ahaha for srs ? [22:59]
assbot Logged on 07-09-2015 20:12:07; ascii_field: analmaster is my neighbour in the uranium minez [22:59]
asciilifeform who, then, dreamt? the closest i can think of is weizenbaum [22:59]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aha. fella once known as b00lcrap. he swore he knew where he hid his key though, so he may yet come back to life. [23:00]
mircea_popescu so that if no one is talented this crop we appoint one to tbe "most likely to be talented" ? [23:00]
mircea_popescu either it is there or it is not there. [23:00]
mircea_popescu was not there. [23:00]
asciilifeform ^ [23:00]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-05-2015#1118807 [23:01]
assbot Logged on 03-05-2015 03:07:38; asciilifeform: http://www.scribd.com/doc/174003340/Joseph-Weizenbaum-Computer-Power-and-Human-Reason-From-Judgement-to-Calculation-1976#scribd << warez copy [23:01]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'analmaster' is a double entendre [23:02]
asciilifeform he's a reverser. [23:03]
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deedbot- [Qntra] Enhanced Spyware Comes to Older Versions of Windows - http://qntra.net/2015/09/enhanced-spyware-comes-to-older-versions-of-windows/ [23:27]
asciilifeform KB3075249 Update that adds telemetry points to consent.exe in Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 << win [23:31]
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pete_dushenski decent isner-federer match. [23:55]
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