Forum logs for 06 Sep 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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funkenstein_ thank you kind sir *tips hat* [00:08]
thestringpuller you listening to any funk this evening? [00:11]
thestringpuller i might jam out to some parliment [00:11]
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thestringpuller ;;later tell funkenstein_ << this reminds me of you. Dr. Funkenstein [00:18]
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funkenstein_ thestringpuller, that's the real deal :) [01:05]
funkenstein_ like bitcoin, you can't fake the funk [01:05]
* asciilifeform saw deal for purchase of certain lab instrument fall through for the third time in that many years. [01:06]
funkenstein_ thestringpuller, a show of new school crew George tours with these days : [01:08]
assbot George Clinton Parliment Funkadelic NAMM 2015 - YouTube ... ( ) [01:08]
* asciilifeform is, contrary to pete_dushenski's lsd trip picture, very poor. [01:08]
funkenstein_ asciilifeform, still can't afford that chip fab? [01:09]
asciilifeform funkenstein_: not chip fab, either [01:09]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: you want dr. moreau's island for electronics... [01:10]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: my 'island' is an unheated, uncooled, wooden hut. [01:12]
thestringpuller when you say "my 'island'" are you talking of hypothetical super scientist island with no budget? or current laboratory? [01:14]
asciilifeform current. [01:14]
asciilifeform godforsaken hole. [01:14]
funkenstein_ how's the air quality down there? [01:16]
asciilifeform funkenstein_: worst imaginable. [01:16]
funkenstein_ O.o [01:17]
mircea_popescu funkenstein_ since they did the killing. [01:17]
funkenstein_ aha [01:18]
* mircea_popescu can imagine some pretty bad air quality. [01:18]
asciilifeform picture 'worst possible without being near-term lethal' and you have it. [01:19]
mircea_popescu in other news, went on a lark to this "power dc" ac/dc tribute band in some "rock bar" here. [01:19]
thestringpuller funkenstein_: The mothership has arrived. [01:19]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: l0l, i distinctly recall seeing an ad for precisely this during one of our walks in the city [01:20]
mircea_popescu you should have seen this thing. a space too small to keep a woman with her sister ; 5 dollar drinks ; buncha teenaged derps dressed like pizza delivery boys, backpacks i compris. which ius why nobody had a drink. [01:20]
mircea_popescu the band was ohio high bad. [01:20]
mircea_popescu and it had nothing to do with rock whatsoever. [01:20]
funkenstein_ lol, ouch [01:20]
mircea_popescu basically, argentinian : tribute band that is not a band and no tribute, in a bar that sells no drinks to some kids that are there because they got out of the rain. [01:21]
* funkenstein_ guesses it was also ear-damagingly loud [01:21]
mircea_popescu and then funkenstein_ wants to tell me about the intrinsic worth of all bipedal mouthbreathers. [01:21]
mircea_popescu i ain't buying it. [01:21]
mircea_popescu funkenstein_ no, probably on account of electricity being too expensive. [01:21]
funkenstein_ this is not my point any more than yours is to defend usgtronic idiocy [01:23]
mircea_popescu go on [01:23]
funkenstein_ most all literate europeans, including cortez, wrote of "economic prosperity beyond any we have seen", "paradise", "wisdom". Hardly just mouthbreathing. [01:26]
mircea_popescu you talking north america or central america ? [01:26]
funkenstein_ well Corez wasn't very far North afaik [01:27]
mircea_popescu so then why do you conflate the two. the people i was talking about when i said iron age were the various twerps the usians killed. [01:27]
mircea_popescu the various people the spanyards killed are some other discussion. [01:27]
asciilifeform what iron. [01:28]
funkenstein_ Iroquois nation sure seemed more advanced from my reading than say, washcorp [01:28]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform im bewing generous. [01:28]
mircea_popescu funkenstein_ a lot of talk about that. point of fact is, subsistence hunters with bow and arrow. [01:28]
mircea_popescu nobody is against the study of political, philosophycal, astronautical or any other knowledge defeated tribe had. [01:28]
mircea_popescu we are however against hteir continued physical existence. [01:29]
funkenstein_ why? [01:29]
mircea_popescu because their massacre makes the scant remaining life valuable, [01:29]
mircea_popescu allowing the common man some semblance of freedom and import for a short interval. [01:29]
funkenstein_ are we against the physical existence of monkeys? [01:29]
mircea_popescu why do you think the immigrants slaughtered the indians instead of persay teaching them to farm ? [01:30]
funkenstein_ you mean instead of learning from them how to farm [01:30]
mircea_popescu no. [01:30]
asciilifeform one reason was that agriculture is subjectively hell. [01:30]
asciilifeform and folks faced with something like an actual choice, did not choose it. [01:30]
funkenstein_ well not to the folks who knew how to do it [01:30]
asciilifeform any more than you and i choose to put hand in a bear trap [01:30]
asciilifeform funkenstein_: to anyone. the resulting population density is hell. [01:31]
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* mircea_popescu adds "teenaged californians that know how to clean toilets" to his shopping list. [01:31]
mircea_popescu im sure they'll enjoy it on account of "knowing how to do it" [01:31]
funkenstein_ yes, knowing a useful skill and performing it is enjoyable, sometimes referred to as satori 24 [01:31]
mircea_popescu this is a pipe dream. [01:32]
mircea_popescu some skills are enjoyable. others are not. [01:32]
mircea_popescu i am a very good arithmetician, at that. [01:32]
funkenstein_ lol good point there [01:32]
funkenstein_ but never enjoy some nice arithmetic? [01:33]
mircea_popescu yes, of the subset of skills that are enjoyable, one enjoys more the ones that are useful and he's any good at [01:33]
mircea_popescu but that's besides the point. being a skilled politician is never enjoyable. [01:33]
funkenstein_ at any rate, agriculture is a great example of "whoops - shoulda asked the locals where the keys to safe are before we needlessly removed their tongues" [01:34]
mircea_popescu i don't see it. [01:34]
asciilifeform funkenstein_: the white man knew 'the keys' - 'have 99.99% of you die and you too can be subsistence hunters' [01:34]
funkenstein_ modern genetic engineering and rapid desertificatoin techniques have never reached indian levels [01:34]
mircea_popescu eh get out. [01:35]
funkenstein_ go, make a new maize [01:35]
funkenstein_ explain how it was done [01:35]
mircea_popescu the indians died of starvation, mostly. [01:35]
funkenstein_ ditto the potatoe [01:35]
funkenstein_ nonsense [01:35]
mircea_popescu there weren't enough of them to populate california. [01:35]
funkenstein_ the invading barbarians died of starvation [01:35]
funkenstein_ california was quite populated [01:35]
funkenstein_ as was modern detroit, look now [01:36]
asciilifeform for fucks sake, [01:36]
asciilifeform [01:36]
assbot Logged on 31-01-2015 01:09:34; asciilifeform: 'Every nationalist is haunted by the belief that the past can be altered. He spends part of his time in a fantasy world in which things happen as they should — in which, for example, the Spanish Armada was a success or the Russian Revolution was crushed in 1918 — and he will transfer fragments of this world to the history books whenever possible. Much of the propagandist writing of our [01:36]
mircea_popescu i think that fits. [01:37]
ben_vulpes disease also wiped out huge numbers! [01:37]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes yes. the sort of disease that kills the hungry. [01:37]
ben_vulpes what, the hungry existed until the diseases arrived to wipe them out? [01:37]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: elementarily, there was nothing magic about the 'red man' which kept him from breeding, like everybody else, to just short of over the carrying capacity of his lands [01:38]
asciilifeform it simply did not happen to be very high [01:38]
asciilifeform so the lsd aficionados get illusion of 'in harmony with enviro' [01:39]
asciilifeform or whatnot [01:39]
ben_vulpes lol simply means nature comes by and wallops population numbers once in a while [01:39]
mircea_popescu in point of fact as the white man put pressure on the indians, they started crossing boundries in desperate search of food. this was very successful at preventing organised resistance - idiots too busy fighting each other. [01:40]
asciilifeform in reality, say the place today called california could have supported 50,000 healthy stone age folk, or 100,000 barely-alive ripe-for-smallpox. [01:40]
mircea_popescu so much for political superiority. [01:40]
asciilifeform it will house 110,000. [01:40]
funkenstein_ i'm not claiming magic red men, i am claiming mentally ill - and markedly stupid - invaders [01:40]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform call it californy like they did :D [01:41]
ben_vulpes hm! [01:41]
funkenstein_ i'm also claiming great denial and lack of reading of relevant historical documents [01:41]
mircea_popescu funkenstein_ like ? [01:41]
funkenstein_ e.g. scalping laws of every US state rewarding people for presenting american corpses [01:42]
mircea_popescu so ? [01:42]
funkenstein_ meeting notes from Denver [01:42]
mircea_popescu "meeting notes from Denver" ?! [01:42]
mircea_popescu you mean the protocols of the learned elves of denver ? [01:42]
funkenstein_ explicit doctrines of idiocy from there for hundreds of years - must kill kill because - dumb dumb we are [01:43]
mircea_popescu mno. [01:44]
mircea_popescu must kill because can. [01:44]
funkenstein_ then starve you will [01:44]
asciilifeform funkenstein_: the 'magical wisdom of harmony with mother earth' thing won't fly. but my personal favourite crackpottery re: the indians, and one which has at least a pinch of actual historical support, is that they had to be bugsprayed to keep agricultural white man from defecting. [01:44]
funkenstein_ in a dead wasteland [01:44]
mircea_popescu eh get out. [01:45]
funkenstein_ kill because can? start with own family, then all plants and animals, finally self. [01:45]
mircea_popescu no dude. start with the monkeys. d'oh. [01:46]
funkenstein_ monkeys are fine with me, leave them there -- can eat them later if shit gets rough [01:46]
mircea_popescu you're acting like elementary points don't somehow magically exist. that pretense doesn't do anything. [01:46]
mircea_popescu obviously the white guys killed the red guys. the red guys sucked. [01:47]
funkenstein_ all of us will die, therefore we suck [01:47]
funkenstein_ how about lets try to learn from past mistakes [01:47]
mircea_popescu quite. [01:47]
asciilifeform incidentally, i notice that aficionados of crying for the indians for some odd reason cry preferentially for the ones clobbered earlier and more thoroughly, leaving not so much as a wet spot (e.g., arawak) vs the later ones who learned horse and rifle and gave white man a run for his money [01:48]
funkenstein_ thems what die will be the lucky ones [01:48]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform obviously. those showed some sign of sense. [01:48]
funkenstein_ i cry for the descendents of the fucktards who still bear the scars of mental illness [01:48]
mircea_popescu you don't get to go around putting labels on things you know. [01:48]
funkenstein_ i cry for mircea_popescu who lives in a society which grew up with no wise elders [01:48]
mircea_popescu i did ?! [01:49]
funkenstein_ *now lives [01:49]
mircea_popescu dude if your idea of wise elders is some twerps who worship the failures... [01:49]
funkenstein_ ?? [01:49]
mircea_popescu last fucking thing i want to see are some elders harping on about how great the iron age man was. srsly. [01:50]
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asciilifeform funkenstein_: can you describe one of the 'wise men' and his wisdom in terms that any of us might apprehend ? [01:50]
mircea_popescu it's not even ridiculous. [01:50]
asciilifeform 'it was wisdomy and truthy damnit' doesn't cut it. [01:50]
funkenstein_ asciilifeform, when I read your excellent blog I am often reminded of the aztec word "tonal" [01:51]
gabriel_laddel funkenstein_: life is ruff, here, have a blanket. [01:51]
funkenstein_ that ideal model existing in our mind of objects describing the world around us [01:51]
* mircea_popescu wants to introduce [01:51]
assbot Hai sa facem un exercitiu on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [01:51]
funkenstein_ gabriel_laddel, lol [01:51]
mircea_popescu "they had cars at the time this fuckwit was living in the dirt. do you understand ? some african monkey thinking they unveiled the sikrits of the universe AT THE SAME TIME as people doing the cern cyclotron is necessarily and by that very fact an idiot. [01:51]
mircea_popescu humanity is a thrown curve. what's ok in 700bc is not ok in 2000ad." [01:51]
mircea_popescu if i want to worship some iron age primitives, i got the greeks [01:51]
mircea_popescu i do not need nor care to mention some schmucks 5000 years late to the party. [01:52]
mircea_popescu not anymore than i care for tornatore's shepherd. [01:52]
funkenstein_ the largest city in the world in 1500 was Tenochtitlan [01:52]
mircea_popescu fuck him, retarded sicilian rediscovering the intellectual products of sheep herding in 1940 [01:52]
mircea_popescu again with mexico ? [01:52]
funkenstein_ "They had cars" - we worship retarded usans now? [01:53]
mircea_popescu ... [01:54]
asciilifeform funkenstein_: what did your neolithic folks ~demonstrably~ have, that, e.g., i, want but do not have? [01:54]
mircea_popescu what's this mezclado of everything. we talk north american indians you derp about early mexico city, i discuss tech you derp about consumers... different things yo. [01:54]
funkenstein_ asciilifeform, remember the bar here is set for - is it worth your while to go slit a throat of somebody not bother you [01:54]
asciilifeform (note that this is not a null set, but i don't expect to hear any correct answer just now) [01:55]
asciilifeform funkenstein_: the 'not bothered' part is also demonstrably false. [01:55]
asciilifeform esp. in north a. [01:55]
funkenstein_ asciilifeform, what did -your- neolithic folks demonstrably have that I want now? [01:56]
mircea_popescu eh russia wasn't even inhabited then. [01:56]
mircea_popescu tech didn't really allow for it. [01:56]
funkenstein_ mexico city is in north america afaik [01:57]
asciilifeform what's next, moscow is in europe ! [01:57]
asciilifeform technicalities. [01:57]
mircea_popescu anyway, to take that myth away : tenochtitlan had a populatiuon of 2 or 300k. in any case under 500k. [01:57]
mircea_popescu fucking ur, at the time of its beheading, was ten times that. [01:58]
mircea_popescu china had dozens of settlements larger [01:58]
mircea_popescu rome had been a million for nine or ten centuries by that point [01:58]
mircea_popescu but yes, it was by far the largest affair in the new world. because the new world sucked. [01:59]
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mircea_popescu moscow is in europe ? [02:01]
asciilifeform and chicken, is a bird ! [02:01]
ben_vulpes (asciilifeform, what did your neolithic folks demonstrably have that you want but do not have?) [02:02]
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asciilifeform ben_vulpes: see earlier discussion re: agriculture being a hell [02:02]
mircea_popescu they didn't have sleep ad lib you know. [02:02]
asciilifeform sure they did. [02:02]
mircea_popescu they just had a retarded female-centric social system which fell over at the slightest provocation. like every other case in history. [02:02]
asciilifeform eh we got that now. [02:03]
mircea_popescu not quite yet. [02:03]
mircea_popescu going that way tho [02:03]
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gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: is there anything in particular DERIVE has that maxima does not? I read a presentation on the matter, which had some nice specifics (inequality support) but am curious why you fondly remember the former rather than the latter. [02:04]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: it has being 200KB. [02:04]
mircea_popescu maxima existed then ? [02:04]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: maxima existed in 1970s [02:04]
asciilifeform called then 'macsyma' [02:04]
mircea_popescu and i could run this on what ? [02:04]
mircea_popescu in 1993 [02:04]
asciilifeform which 'this' [02:05]
asciilifeform macsyma? [02:05]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the current distributive runs on standard common lisp. [02:05]
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mircea_popescu ya [02:05]
mircea_popescu and i could have had standard common lisp on what ? [02:05]
gabriel_laddel symbolics box... [02:05]
mircea_popescu i could have had a symbolics box ? [02:05]
mircea_popescu shit. [02:05]
asciilifeform in '93? 1) symbolics 2) sun 3) vax 4) a few others [02:06]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform why didnt you get a symbolics box yo! then you could have fondly remembered maxima instead of derive! [02:06]
mircea_popescu my copy came on disk 2 of "crime wave" [02:06]
asciilifeform there also was 'xlisp' for msdos, which was ~nearly~ commonlisp. [02:06]
asciilifeform i used it. [02:06]
mircea_popescu this [02:06]
assbot Crime Wave DOS Longplay (1/4) - YouTube ... ( ) [02:06]
mircea_popescu god i loved that stupid scroller [02:07]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: l0l, what was it doing there [02:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120865 @ 0.00073053 = 88.2955 BTC [+] {8} [02:08]
mircea_popescu the idea was you had to fill all disks. [02:08]
asciilifeform ah, human warez [02:09]
mircea_popescu aha [02:09]
asciilifeform then makes total sense! [02:09]
mircea_popescu check it out btw, almost like topless daughter of president [02:09]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: coming back to the earlier point, it is ~unfathomably valuable~ to ~know that you know all the knobs and what they do~ [02:11]
asciilifeform this means fits-in-head. [02:11]
asciilifeform it is even conceivable that the guts would have fit in your head, had they been exposed [02:12]
asciilifeform but the interface of 'derive' certainly did. [02:12]
asciilifeform try that with a modern symbolic maths package. [02:12]
gabriel_laddel Yeah, I failed at that a while back. [02:13]
asciilifeform this totality - there is no substitute for it. [02:13]
gabriel_laddel Maxima is neato, but the ALGOL interface to all the goodies sucks. [02:13]
mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel come to think about it, you probably want derive source for your masamune thing [02:13]
asciilifeform it means that when something does not work as expected, you can immediately rule out 'unknown knob' [02:13]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: already downloaded it ;-) but will probably stick with Macsyma. [02:14]
asciilifeform no sourceball for 'derive' was ever publicly discovered. [02:14]
gabriel_laddel erm let me unpack and see wtf is in here then [02:15]
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gabriel_laddel nvm - I've just got a bunch of DERIVE files, no sources. [02:15]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: the thing itself lives in one exe. [02:17]
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asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: came with a buncha generated crud, for illustrative purposes [02:17]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27287 @ 0.00071457 = 19.4985 BTC [-] [02:18]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: said exe contains (in my copy) a bitwise-unchanged copy of 'mulisp-87' and a savelispanddie image of derive's engine appended after. [02:18]
funkenstein_ sorry about that, network problems [02:18]
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asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: << manual. (very grainy scan.) [02:19]
assbot ... ( ) [02:19]
asciilifeform (and yes, mircosoft bought the thing, long ago, before there even was winblowz) [02:19]
funkenstein_ moar winblows because: can [02:22]
funkenstein_ well i must thank you for reminding me of the extent of damage due to idiocy and mental illness which has occured in the past [02:25]
funkenstein_ I will renew efforts with greater motivation [02:26]
asciilifeform funkenstein_: consider link to the documents mentioned earlier ? [02:26]
funkenstein_ [02:26]
assbot Logged on 05-09-2015 23:03:16; funkenstein_: For more on that Guatemala story grep for "1986": [02:26]
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asciilifeform funkenstein_: no, these - [02:34]
assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 04:24:17; funkenstein_: most all literate europeans, including cortez, wrote of "economic prosperity beyond any we have seen", "paradise", "wisdom". Hardly just mouthbreathing. [02:34]
asciilifeform funkenstein_ will also likely enjoy the mega-classic [02:35]
assbot The Worst Mistake in the History of [02:35]
* asciilifeform bbl. [02:35]
funkenstein_ aha, of guns germs and steel fame [02:36]
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funkenstein_ Stannard's scholarship is remarkable. 60 pages of references, in documents he turned up in one of his volume. [02:39]
funkenstein_ It may be possible for a person to know something about history of the America's without reading him, but surely the responsibility is on the person to so demonstrate.the [02:40]
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funkenstein_ Cortes: "Besides those things which I have already mentioned, they sell in the market everything else to be found in this land, but they are so many and so varied that because of their great number and because I cannot remember many of them nor do I know what they are called I shall not mention them" [02:44]
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gabriel_laddel !up refferedbyloper [02:45]
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gabriel_laddel spelling? [02:45]
funkenstein_ "never seen in all my days what so rejoiced my heart, as these things. For I saw among them amazing artistic objects, and I marveled over the subtle ingenuity of the men in these distant lands. Indeed, I cannot say enough about the things that were brought before me" [02:45]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [02:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9970 @ 0.00073157 = 7.2938 BTC [+] {3} [02:52]
funkenstein_ good night gents, my apologies for the not so lighthearted topics [02:57]
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mircea_popescu ;;gentime 1000 [04:02]
gribble The average time to generate a block at 1000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 56957648455.0, is 7757 years, 16 weeks, 6 days, 6 hours, 23 minutes, and 24 seconds [04:02]
mircea_popescu ;;gentime 1000000000 [04:03]
gribble The average time to generate a block at 1000000000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 56957648455.0, is 2 days, 19 hours, 57 minutes, and 14 seconds [04:03]
mircea_popescu ;;gentime 11325.648148148 [04:04]
gribble The average time to generate a block at 11325.6481481 Mhps, given difficulty of 56957648455.0, is 684 years, 48 weeks, 4 days, 23 hours, 47 minutes, and 44 seconds [04:04]
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gribble The average time to generate a block at 56628240.74 Mhps, given difficulty of 56957648455.0, is 7 weeks, 1 day, 0 hours, and 17 seconds [04:08]
mircea_popescu ;;gentime 113256481.48 [04:09]
gribble The average time to generate a block at 113256481.48 Mhps, given difficulty of 56957648455.0, is 3 weeks, 4 days, 0 hours, and 8 seconds [04:09]
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punkman guess that was wordplay, because the app is for muslims [04:13]
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deedbot- [Trilema] Sneak Peak Screenshots and The Future Golden Goose - [04:50]
mircea_popescu the gentlemen investors as well as the armchair financiers may find the 2nd part of ^ interesting [04:56]
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punkman do you have to milk the goose daily? [04:57]
mircea_popescu yea [04:57]
gabriel_laddel ! [05:01]
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punkman sunday breakfast suggestion [06:10]
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* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 16:58:12 2014 [16:51]
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shinohai Speak of teh devil ... [16:51]
andychase I feel like we've gone a bit off topic a bit. I'd love to hear your opinions on a system for reviewing and indicating full approval on changes to the Bitcoin protocol [16:51]
andychase currently the system is the core devs decide [16:52]
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mats core devs don't decide anything. [16:52]
mircea_popescu and how's myfavourite cult this fine morning ? [16:52]
andychase well for bips, they decide, and other clients like btcd take their bips into consideration [16:52]
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andychase I'd like to take that kind of system and move it up so a community like this one can make their opinion validated as part of the process for improving bitcoin [16:53]
mircea_popescu you'd what ? [16:53]
shinohai "make their opinion validated" [16:53]
andychase Basically make your opinion matter by proving that you aren't sock puppet accounts and are actually unique and valuable memebers of the Bitcoin ecosystem [16:54]
shinohai I have been so worried all this time that our opinion would never be validated. [16:54]
andychase opinion matter more* [16:54]
asciilifeform komyoooonitiiiii111111! [16:54]
shinohai I think WoT proves we are each unique and valuable members of the community [16:55]
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mircea_popescu who are you exactly andychase ? [16:55]
andychase If that's true then great, I'd like to take that form of validation and put it into a formal process that can be used for approving or rejecting changes to Bitcoin [16:55]
andychase I'm a freelance software developer from Oregon [16:56]
andychase also on reddit [16:56]
andychase [16:56]
shinohai !gettrust andychase [16:56]
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assbot RFC-2631, fips 186-3 and openssl's implementation of DSA [16:57]
mircea_popescu andychase [16:57]
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mircea_popescu !down andychase [16:57]
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mircea_popescu and thank you mr scorsese. [16:58]
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ag3nt_zer0 "A patent example of the classic contradiction in question here—a contradiction characterizing for the most part all modern thought—is provided by existentialism, which postulates a definition of the world that is impossible if existentialism itself is possible. There are only two alternatives: either objective knowledge—a knowledge that is therefore absolute in its own order—is possible, which proves that existen [17:05]
ag3nt_zer0 then its own promulgation is impossible since in the existentialist universe there is no room for an objective and unwavering intellection." [17:05]
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mircea_popescu << dude this guy, [17:05]
assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 08:38:05; punkman: [17:05]
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mircea_popescu i wanna meet him. [17:05]
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mircea_popescu hey most intelligent person in japan, that were on tokyofashion thingee, drop a line. [17:06]
mircea_popescu ag3nt_zer0 which illiterate murican fail to understand stuff written in french through the age old process of not being able to read it ? [17:06]
ag3nt_zer0 which? sorry I don't follow... good day btw [17:08]
mircea_popescu who said the thing you quoted ? [17:09]
ag3nt_zer0 Schuon: [17:10]
assbot "The Contradiction of Relativism" - an essay by Frithjof Schuon ... ( ) [17:10]
ag3nt_zer0 likely originally in French... [17:10]
mircea_popescu well he totally missed it and doesn't even have the excuse of not speaking the language. [17:11]
ag3nt_zer0 have you ever read him? [17:11]
mircea_popescu mno. [17:12]
mircea_popescu but the quote you presented disqualifies him from discussing sartre. [17:12]
ag3nt_zer0 from my perspective, which may or may not matter, he doesn't seem to be one to be lightly dismissed [17:12]
ag3nt_zer0 he's right up there with evola and guenon [17:13]
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mircea_popescu for the following reason : existentialism is the first (and the most logically successful) of the "postmodernisms", taken eventually to their extreme lolzitude by lacan and his unselfaware progeny in the us ("radical feminists" and whatnot). [17:13]
mircea_popescu what this means in easily digestible terms among software people is that existentialism is a class. [17:13]
mircea_popescu this means you can not use symbols such as "contradiction" without havind properly defined an existentialism.contradiction constructor in the very group. [17:14]
mircea_popescu lest you come out with garbage. [17:14]
mircea_popescu he doesn't seem aware of this. [17:14]
ag3nt_zer0 hmmm maybe I would do better to not post a quote out of context [17:15]
mircea_popescu up to you :) [17:15]
mircea_popescu but the behaviour would seem to indicate ~you~ think he's easily dismissed. [17:15]
ag3nt_zer0 not at all [17:15]
mircea_popescu quoting properly is more complicated than it seems. [17:15]
ag3nt_zer0 my entire reason for posting links to this material is that I find it hard to dismiss - hoping that some of the minds in here might check out the longforms and tell me what they think... [17:16]
mircea_popescu anyway, fwiw, i don't readily see a way to construct this "existentialism is fail because its idea of reality precludes itself" into meaningful criticism. [17:16]
mircea_popescu this is a uniquely poor strategy. [17:16]
mircea_popescu all it can conceivably achieve is form minor dismissals in the minds here that hadn't prior bothered to consider [17:17]
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ag3nt_zer0 mircea_popescu: if frithjof schuon is illiterate then I must be less than a dog [17:19]
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* mircea_popescu wasn't there, hasn't seen, everyone on internet ~= dog. [17:20]
mircea_popescu i'm a perfectly illiterate chinese scholar, for that matter. [17:21]
mircea_popescu kinda why like bombama, i abstain from "oh china is self contradictory" emissions. [17:21]
mircea_popescu s/like/unlike/ [17:21]
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mircea_popescu << well, less is probably a bridge to far. equally might also be. but i do maintain software can't be MUCH MORE friable than the hardware upon it runs. and i dun think alf disagrees with that much either. [17:25]
assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 12:25:05; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell vextor phuctor has had mains plugs pulled on it several times recenty, and alf's attitude (i believe) is that the thing shoudn't run if its going to have its memory ripped out every time it warms up. remember, it keeps the running product in memory. mircea_popescu's attitude is that "software should be less friable than the hardware upon which it runs". asciilifeform is tryin [17:25]
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anton_osika Hello guys, I am having issues with phunctor as you might have guessed. [17:31]
anton_osika I got my hands cut off so I cannot make signatures; laptop stolen and broken backup. Got any tips for me? [17:31]
punkman test backups next time ;) [17:32]
mircea_popescu how are these two related ? [17:32]
shinohai Use your feet to pull the trigger on the shotgun. [17:32]
anton_osika The hands or the two files? [17:32]
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mircea_popescu win. [17:33]
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anton_osika shinohai: Thank you for the tip. [17:33]
mircea_popescu anton_osika your poor backup policies and phuctor. [17:35]
punkman wants to test new key perhaps? [17:35]
anton_osika I do have ultimate respect for the WoT. Hence I want to have a valid keypair for communicating with goodfellas here. [17:36]
mircea_popescu << absolutely. [17:37]
assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 15:57:46; asciilifeform: (undetectable bit rot is MUCH WORSE than the idling it does right now) [17:37]
shinohai You're welcome anton_osika my advice is free on Sundays :D [17:37]
mircea_popescu << understand, there's no hardware solution to this problem. you may make the probability less, but the only path to certainty is checking. [17:38]
assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 16:01:36; asciilifeform: with internal battery. [17:38]
* punkman punkman wants to hear more about defending against bitrot [17:38]
anton_osika shinohai: Excellent. Could you also advice me on how to successfully invite mircea_popescu for dinner at my home in Stockholm? [17:39]
shinohai I suppose the same way you would ask any gentleman to dinner. [17:40]
shinohai Als, the fail is strong in this one: [17:40]
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punkman shinohai, whole commit is peppered with credentials to various systems [17:43]
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mircea_popescu << is also online, running pressed stator. [17:44]
assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 16:07:45; asciilifeform: this means that at present time there is EXACTLY ONE reliable public therealbitcoin node - zoolag. [17:44]
mircea_popescu << the only solutions is slavegirls. [17:45]
assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 16:14:41; kakobrekla: but, no time. [17:45]
mircea_popescu im not even talking one exceptionally well trained gf. that won't cut it. [17:45]
mircea_popescu need a dozen, in various stages of coalescence. [17:45]
punkman [17:46]
assbot Hermeto Pascoal - Slaves Mass (1977) - YouTube ... ( ) [17:46]
anton_osika mircea_popescu: I liked your piece on formalised identity based trust system (WoT). Are there any attempts at extending it to our physical existances such as property? [17:47]
punkman !rate backyard 9 it makes fruit? [17:50]
assbot backyard is not registered in WoT. [17:50]
shinohai xD [17:51]
shinohai !rate DatAss 1 Because ... dat ass [17:51]
assbot DatAss is not registered in WoT. [17:51]
shinohai bbl [17:52]
punkman well if you own dat ass, it can get in wot [17:52]
shinohai I'll have her come register later when I'm done blowing it up. [17:54]
anton_osika My situation as of now is that there is nothing to strictly verify a former fingerprint. However I am the unique holder of the name AntonOsika in Sweden, publicly registered with physical address, so you if you are passing by please find me and I would provide generous housing. [17:55]
punkman register with new fingerprint, nobody knew the old one anyway [17:56]
anton_osika Well I believe mircea_popescu would honor a contract where the couterparty has no competition at identifying himself. It would be pleasant to extend the notion of trust to identity in the physical domain however. [17:59]
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mircea_popescu anton_osika what part of property do you imagine is physical ? [18:05]
anton_osika Land for example. [18:05]
anton_osika Not much else. [18:05]
mircea_popescu how is your property of land physical. [18:06]
mircea_popescu punkman also [18:06]
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anton_osika Well ownership is nothing physical but the underlying. What arguably makes land different is that one can lets ones physical embodiment be placed on the land, and this can be recognised / unchallenged by others [18:10]
mod6 ;;tslb [18:10]
gribble Time since last block: 56 minutes and 56 seconds [18:10]
mircea_popescu << add to that, "never use known file extensions". [18:12]
assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 16:39:54; ben_vulpes: what are best practices with the mailing list again? [18:12]
mircea_popescu fucking subtle undebuggable bullshit, "oh we figured out you're using something of ours, here, it's broken now" [18:12]
mircea_popescu / /me is popcorning along. [18:14]
assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 16:59:13; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes is right about c_wot [18:14]
anton_osika punkman: Thanks for the concern about fingerprint. The issue is this: [18:15]
assbot -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Future Delivery Contract Fo - ... ( ) [18:15]
mircea_popescu these fucking idiots. so eulora is based on modifying work by others. those others have done the following thing : the dialogue of a npc is contained in a table. that table has fields. those fields are "reply 1" "reply 2" and so up to 5. why to 5 ? [18:16]
mircea_popescu this is how you use databases now, by counting the fucking fileds. [18:16]
thestringpuller planeshift? [18:16]
punkman mircea_popescu: very common with mysql folks [18:17]
mircea_popescu field1, field2 and who the fuck was responsible with raping these idiots as 5yo and discarding the bloodied remains in a ditch did a horrible job [18:17]
mircea_popescu the same thing is observed not just here, but THROUGHOUT [18:17]
mircea_popescu and is not limited to the db. here, have a magic number in code, because THAT IS WHAT CODE IS FOR!11 [18:17]
thestringpuller Yea Planeshift has a lot of quirks like that. [18:17]
mircea_popescu quirks ? [18:17]
mircea_popescu these aren't "quirks" [18:18]
mircea_popescu these are the unfortunate results downstream of insufficient five year olds being raped to death and discarded in a ditch. [18:18]
thestringpuller P. much. [18:18]
anton_osika antonosika has to sign a document stating the location of delivery. He however involuntarily lost his hands. So he can't sign documents anymore. [18:19]
anton_osika That's why I'm harassing mircea_popescu until I make him smile. [18:19]
anton_osika So long. Thanks for the voice until I can become friends with phunctor. [18:20]
anton_osika And again, my physical embodiment is openly registered, if you are in the neighbourhood mircea_popescu. And I might not be as dumb as it seems from the backup policies .. [18:21]
mircea_popescu im in fucking buenos aires [18:22]
mircea_popescu what neighbourhood ? [18:22]
wao warptangent weex wilbns williamdunne wpalczynski [18:23]
* mircea_popescu is still raging over the db thing. who the fuck does this. who the fuck makes labels for items in a database WITH THEIR OWN BAKED IN INDEXES! [18:23]
mircea_popescu the moment you go to write "field"+number you should fucking realise YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG. [18:23]
mircea_popescu compeletely, utterly wrong from hell. [18:23]
punkman mircea_popescu: just curious if this clause "and that ETH trades on a reputable exchange in total value of at least 100 BTC prior to the date of delivery" would be fulfilled by Poloniex, Kraken or any other exchange listed at [18:24]
assbot Ethereum (ETH) price, charts, and info | Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations ... ( ) [18:24]
mircea_popescu punkman where's that clause from ? [18:24]
punkman anton_osika's ETH contract [18:24]
mircea_popescu link or something ? [18:25]
punkman [18:25]
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mircea_popescu ah, that. he never fulfilled his obligations under it iirc. [18:26]
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mircea_popescu o nm, he actualy did [18:27]
mircea_popescu [18:28]
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mircea_popescu so wait, what happened here is i just profited 3 btc off this guy's backup failure ?! [18:28]
thestringpuller "Fellow miners, Some of you receive emails and phone calls from developers. I am not big enough to get that treatment." << LOL. And this is why you side with BIP-101 [18:29]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 0.00541072 * 15000 [18:29]
gribble 81.1608 [18:29]
punkman poor anton [18:30]
mircea_popescu that's a valuable laptop. [18:30]
punkman should have generated ETH address to put in contract [18:32]
thestringpuller << oh look at that. [18:32]
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mircea_popescu punkman at the time you cou;dn't have. [18:34]
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punkman I think they had published enough code then and they had some stupid application for direct buyers [18:36]
mircea_popescu not iirc. [18:44]
punkman PSA: print your ascii-armored keys out. don't use a xerox. [18:44]
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mircea_popescu lol [18:45]
mircea_popescu the one point nobody seems to have noticed re that : use mp style fonts (14 point bold) you won't have a problem. [18:46]
mircea_popescu use shitass cheapo "businessman" 8 pt thin sans, you're asking to be fucked. [18:46]
mircea_popescu << why would either work ?! [18:49]
assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 17:05:49; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: btw i find it interesting that nobody has yet noticed that 1) broken chains 2) orphaned subchains of any length whatsoever --- do not work [18:49]
mircea_popescu << it's open source right ? that means people can come later and fix it so it works as it should, right ? [18:52]
assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 17:17:54; asciilifeform: i was not able to find how to enforce level stepping in it. [18:52]
mircea_popescu SOFTWARE PARADIGM!!11 [18:52]
mircea_popescu << occasionally. [18:53]
assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 17:35:40; asciilifeform: has anyone here ever actually managed to buy, something other than coin or fiat, there / [18:53]
mircea_popescu but more of a fleamarket thing than an electronics supply shop thing [18:54]
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BingoBoingo << the butthurt [19:01]
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mircea_popescu << it occurs to me that if we're going to do this, we might as well do it on assbot otc. [19:02]
assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 18:01:41; asciilifeform: ;;gpg eauth asciilifeform [19:02]
punkman mircea_popescu: orphaned is not the right word there, consider that if the last two patches in your V set create two branches, you can't choose a branch. V will try to apply both and doesn't check filehashes during the patching process. [19:02]
mircea_popescu moreover, something like this might actually be a perfect solution for my marketplace idea too. i wanna buy all sorts of things like 3d models etc. [19:02]
mircea_popescu punkman this dawned on me presently. ouch. [19:02]
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mircea_popescu btw punkman would you be interested in implementing a otc-marketplace clone ? [19:03]
ag3nt_zer0 [19:03]
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ag3nt_zer0 "Jack Whittaker won $315 million and ten years later, his daughter and granddaughter had both died of drug overdoses, his wife divorced him, and once while in a strip club, he was drugged and robbed of $545,000 in cash" [19:03]
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mircea_popescu ag3nt_zer0 to my eyes this is more a failure of western society than of whittaker himself. [19:04]
mircea_popescu i can readily believe that most of the problem was, jack fully expected to be able to BUY THINGS FOR HIS MONEY. [19:05]
ag3nt_zer0 yeah? [19:05]
mircea_popescu whereas this is not "how the world works" [19:05]
mircea_popescu he can "win" 315 mn, but he sure as fuck may not turn that into 1mn turkeys. [19:05]
mircea_popescu the notion that you'd take as much as 500 bucks to a us strip club... [19:06]
mircea_popescu seriously, at that level of service they should be paying you to even go. [19:06]
punkman mircea_popescu: sure, but can't sysadmin the box it lives on (and don't want to fight ddos other than making application cache better and whatnot) [19:06]
mircea_popescu it's more work to be a us strip club customer than to work there. [19:06]
mircea_popescu punkman this approach is fundamentally at odds with the "lord over a domain" concept of software development prevalent here. [19:07]
mircea_popescu however! it occurs to me this actually would work splendidly with deeds. [19:09]
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ag3nt_zer0 mircea_popescu: what do you mean by this? "he can "win" 315 mn, but he sure as fuck may not turn that into 1mn turkeys." [19:10]
mircea_popescu trinque listen, would you consider creating a special deed template, which if satisfied gets taken to amarketplace listing sort-of like otc ? searchable is the important part. [19:10]
trinque yeah, that doesn't sound too hard [19:10]
mircea_popescu ag3nt_zer0 [19:10]
assbot Let's dig a little deeper into this entire deflation "problem" on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [19:10]
mircea_popescu trinque one second drawing mockup [19:11]
trinque may require freedom-of-speech friendly hosting, depending on what's bought and sold [19:12]
trinque currently on McAWS [19:12]
kakobrekla speaking of searchable, current deeds are not if im correct? [19:13]
trinque correct; haven't done that yet [19:13]
trinque so far it's a single page; though this marketplace will likely call for a db [19:14]
trinque I will probably still take the flat file approach otherwise; I prefer it [19:14]
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trinque mircea_popescu: very easy to implement. [19:18]
mircea_popescu ikr? [19:18]
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trinque yeah sounds great. WoT needs a buy/sell board [19:18]
mircea_popescu yeah. and i know i do. [19:19]
trinque got a recommendation for non-aws hosting? [19:19]
trinque I've wanted to move deedbot- off that for a while anyway [19:19]
mats [19:19]
assbot NearlyFreeSpeech.NET Web Hosting ... ( ) [19:20]
trinque that'd work once I'm in Houston, as I'm moving my blockchains all onto my own network once there [19:20]
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trinque I don't suppose they'd offer enough space for one? [19:20]
trinque oh, it looks like they in fact do offer a great deal of space [19:21]
mircea_popescu trinque im full and before moving i wanna see if jurov actually comes through with something usable [19:21]
trinque mats: experience with them? [19:21]
trinque mircea_popescu: k [19:21]
mircea_popescu but in principle you get free server. [19:21]
mircea_popescu once you get the search engine for this, prolly can be applied to deeds too [19:22]
mircea_popescu and after that we have a backup in case logs need it [19:22]
trinque yep, can be something like categories for particular deeds maybe, this being a "buy/sell" [19:23]
mircea_popescu but re the "depending on what's bought and sold", i personally have no qualms whatsoever with negrating into the ground folks who put shit in the board. [19:23]
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mats trinque: good support, used em a decade ago to host ecommerce sites [19:23]
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trinque yeah I'd just prefer the 10lb heroin happen on someone else's ass, til I move to the barge [19:23]
mats i still hear good things about them on the interwebs so i think they've maintained quality since [19:23]
trinque mats: cool [19:24]
mats in fact i think alf does? [19:24]
BingoBoingo yeah I'd just prefer the 10lb heroin happen on someone else's ass, til I move to the barge << Part of the point of a WoT is keeping out people who's publically list such a thing [19:24]
trinque indeed. [19:24]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: unless you already have dark market connex, you might have to wait for mircea_popescu/trinque's new buy/sell board ;) [19:24]
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trinque o what trolling have I brought upon meself [19:25]
mircea_popescu !rated trinque [19:25]
assbot You rated user trinque on 17-Oct-2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: Nice work on the deedbot. [19:25]
trinque anyhow, sounds like a great idea; I will start hacking on it in spare cycles [19:26]
punkman mircea_popescu: punkman this approach is fundamentally at odds with the "lord over a domain" concept of software development prevalent here. << myeah, last attempt didn't work out too well, and I'd rather make my yearly sysadmining allotment shrink than grow [19:26]
funkenstein_ asciilifeform, what planet would you prefer to live on? [19:26]
mircea_popescu retiring eh ? [19:26]
punkman one can aspire [19:26]
mircea_popescu yeah, aspies. [19:26]
funkenstein_ trinque, lol. no, I said no "shouldas". The exercise is to learn from history. But since you mention it, how about alexander the great conquering the new world instead of retarded puritan rejects? [19:27]
mircea_popescu what exactly do you like about alex ? [19:27]
punkman says "great" on the tin [19:27]
mircea_popescu i suspek so, buyt hey, let the man stand on his words. [19:28]
trinque !b 3 [19:28]
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trinque d'oh [19:28]
mircea_popescu lol [19:28]
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trinque funkenstein_: my point was that you are seeing value in people who could not defend themselves. seems to me that's a prerequisite of being valuable in any other way. [19:29]
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funkenstein_ women and children for example [19:31]
funkenstein_ programmers in the boxing ring [19:31]
trinque or what, if aliens landed, you think they'd want some kind of cultural exchange, rather than to scrape whatever they like out of the earth's crust and ocean, then depart? [19:31]
mircea_popescu wait, what ? [19:31]
mircea_popescu women and children can't defend themselves ? [19:31]
mircea_popescu how come in every fucking conflict it's the men that dioe and the women that survive ? [19:32]
funkenstein_ well not the conflict we were discussing [19:32]
mircea_popescu orly. [19:32]
trinque looks from the faces of south americans that some did survive... [19:32]
mircea_popescu i suppose the reason mexicans today are short stocky dwarves is that the spanish mutated. [19:32]
trinque heh! [19:32]
funkenstein_ trinque, very important point thank you [19:33]
mircea_popescu incidentally /me hates that trait more than any other. [19:33]
fluffypony [19:33]
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pete_dushenski ;;later tell asciilifeform also, 'order id 22472' would indicate that you have more available btc than rothschilds. who's poor now ? (and yes, i understand that no one will ever actually offer you 'taig' via -otc) [19:34]
gribble The operation succeeded. [19:34]
pete_dushenski << all day. i noticed this guy for 'y-3' hoodie [19:34]
assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 20:03:46; mircea_popescu: << dude this guy, [19:34]
pete_dushenski y-3 was my favourite clothing brand, once upon a time when i cared about such things. ideal collision of sportiness, haute fashion, japaneseness, and obscure brand cachet [19:35]
pete_dushenski i still have a y-3 hoodie and basketball jersey in my closet [19:35]
pete_dushenski the y-3 'football cleats' were possibly the coolest shoes i ever owned. easily my all-time faves. [19:36]
mircea_popescu << by the zing ye shall know the zinger. [19:36]
assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 18:25:54; ben_vulpes: and just as certainly leave you complaining that things never get done unless you do them yourself. [19:36]
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mircea_popescu << kako very much has it. do not ask to ask, just ask. what can you do ? [19:37]
assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 18:41:35; kakobrekla: lets turn this around, what _can_ you do? [19:37]
mircea_popescu << wedding ? [19:38]
assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 18:46:34; trinque: she also made it through mod6's gentoo guide [19:38]
funkenstein_ <- sorry to be that log reader but I'd like to know wtf this means [19:38]
assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 04:42:06; mircea_popescu: must kill because can. [19:38]
mircea_popescu !s if you can you must [19:39]
assbot 33 results for 'if you can you must' : [19:39]
mircea_popescu see ? [19:39]
funkenstein_ so shall I program because I can? [19:39]
mircea_popescu see also [19:39]
assbot The corn thing on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [19:39]
punkman funkenstein_: inevitably [19:39]
mircea_popescu funkenstein_ you might misjudge your can on that score. [19:40]
mircea_popescu yes, if you actually could, you inescapably would be. [19:40]
funkenstein_ because I was under the impression you were encouraging us to have direction and intent in our efforts [19:40]
mircea_popescu actual rather than putative, tho. [19:40]
trinque mircea_popescu: nah, she's got a few screws loose and doesn't see fit to let me handle 'em with a screwdriver [19:41]
trinque bad jurisdiction [19:41]
trinque :p [19:41]
mircea_popescu lol [19:41]
mircea_popescu is she getting wotroduced ? [19:41]
trinque neh, she can find her own way here if she does [19:41]
mircea_popescu what's this your sister or something ? [19:41]
trinque nah, ex [19:41]
mircea_popescu worse huh :D [19:41]
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mircea_popescu why leave ? why not just you know, have them love each other. [19:42]
mircea_popescu then you won't be able to leave the house anymore. [19:42]
mircea_popescu like kakobrekla [19:42]
trinque culturally retarded is why [19:42]
funkenstein_ <-- [19:42]
assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 19:42:24; andychase: That's "vote by how much money you have" [19:42]
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funkenstein_ "built because could" [19:42]
mircea_popescu aha. [19:43]
pete_dushenski trinque: this same clinton voter girl ? [19:44]
trinque nah that's a different one [19:44]
pete_dushenski ah, what's this one's cultural retardation then ? [19:44]
mircea_popescu what, a woman can'tr vote for clinton if she wants to now ?! [19:45]
trinque to summarize, demanding equality while psychologically needing me to set the boundaries [19:45]
trinque mircea_popescu: can vote however she likes; that's just a different chick [19:45]
mircea_popescu dude if that's your criteria you've excluded a supermajority [19:45]
mircea_popescu in the sense of > 100% [19:45]
mircea_popescu but anyway, enough of this pestering guy into a discussion of things he didn't particularly care to discuss. [19:46]
trinque heh [19:46]
trinque I know others that rock my goddamn boat less, and get more done [19:46]
btcdrak BIPCBBSRA is now BIP105 [19:46]
btcdrak funkenstein_ [19:47]
mircea_popescu i think longer amount of letter numbers is better bips [19:47]
pete_dushenski oh more bips ? [19:47]
pete_dushenski more 'debates' ? [19:47]
funkenstein_ aha thanks [19:47]
funkenstein_ gotta run sorry, i need a dozen like kakobrekla does - have a good weekend y'all [19:48]
pete_dushenski 66 v. 100 v. 101 v. 105 v. your mom [19:48]
funkenstein_ lol [19:48]
btcdrak also, the question is sort of bogus. Blocksize does not help bitcoin scale. [19:48]
pete_dushenski ya don't say [19:48]
funkenstein_ good point.. [19:48]
punkman davout's BIP000 is the only credible choice [19:48]
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btcdrak the question needs to be something like "What is the best proposal for blocksize" or whatever [19:49]
mircea_popescu btcdrak it is always easier to "rainse awareness" and "solve" problems you imagined than doing something useful. [19:49]
btcdrak new altcoin idea: zeroblock. [19:49]
pete_dushenski << aforementioned dream sneakers, well-loved y-3 'football' shoes. [19:51]
assbot Adidas Yohji Yamamoto Y 3 Y3 Football Shoes Sneakers 12 UK | eBay ... ( ) [19:51]
mircea_popescu anyway, /me is pretty well amused as to how the color revolution experts got color revolutioned up the ass, so hard their head's spinning. [19:52]
mircea_popescu you hear that nuland ? you ain't got the resources to compete. not good enough. [19:52]
mircea_popescu;all << in that lulzvein. "the people" now creating proposals for voting mechanisms to score the proposals for blabla. [19:53]
assbot Voting for block size increase proposals ... ( ) [19:53]
punkman bulldozer was totally the best color [19:53]
mircea_popescu the entire decapitation of gavin thing, with its attendant disbelief on the enemy side and misallocation of resources/misinvestment of assets in dead pockets was such a major defeat for the usg, "the tikrit offensive"'s nothing compared. [19:54]
mircea_popescu (but yes, i'm sure "if they really wanted to", meta-etc and so forth, things could have been very different bla bla) [19:56]
pete_dushenski "next time" (tm) [19:57]
pete_dushenski << lel. that's one way to win. [19:58]
assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 21:26:48; mircea_popescu: so wait, what happened here is i just profited 3 btc off this guy's backup failure ?! [19:58]
pete_dushenski "many ways to skin a cat" [19:58]
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mats why [20:05]
mircea_popescu i dunno. oddly the stan brood never talks. [20:10]
mats vicious audience [20:11]
mircea_popescu i guess sohuh [20:11]
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punkman what, two people showed up to ask about phuctor not working today [20:12]
mircea_popescu i just meant the webirc link he has [20:13]
mircea_popescu (i took mine out, because they fucktardedly started using javscript google captcha) [20:13]
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punkman google captcha: the only captcha that works, and only because google knows everyone [20:14]
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mircea_popescu works my foot. [20:15]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla plox [20:22]
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pete_dushenski "Here in Seattle, where the first stage of a $15-an-hour minimum wage law took effect in April, Ivar’s seafood restaurants switched to an all-inclusive menu. By raising prices 21 percent and ending tipping, Bob C. Donegan, the president and co-owner, calculated he could increase everyone’s wages." << welcome to japan. i guess the pearl harbour invasion stuck after all. [20:22]
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punkman what does the all-inclusive menu and no tipping add? [20:23]
mircea_popescu nothing. who the fuck eats "all inclusive", waht is this, ivar's school cafeteria ? [20:24]
pete_dushenski complete loss of the profit motive for the wait staff [20:24]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu done [20:26]
pete_dushenski "The No. 1 complaint from customers? The prohibition on tips. So while the menu still states that prices include service, the credit card slips now have a line that reads: “If you INSIST on leaving a tip, write it here.”" << mkay this is the icing on the stupid cake. at least in japan, leaving a tip is tantamount to slapping the server's mother with your flaccid cock. [20:27]
pete_dushenski but in the united states of workerdignity, you can't leave a tip. unless you do. [20:27]
pete_dushenski and of course, the server will still be tickled pink because that's the ~culture~ [20:28]
pete_dushenski you're supposed to tip in north america [20:28]
pete_dushenski goddam socialists always trying to superimpose utopia and shove a square peg in a round hole [20:28]
punkman tipping every single idiot seems quite strange to me [20:29]
pete_dushenski you mean every server at every meal ? or kitchen staff ? [20:29]
pete_dushenski because i agree that kitchen staff should take their salary and shut up [20:30]
pete_dushenski though here, 'tip splitting' is the de facto food insdustry standard [20:30]
pete_dushenski the kitchen always gets a cut, so a server might only see 3-4% of a 10% tip, so she won't be too pleased [20:30]
pete_dushenski so 15-20% becomes 'acceptable' in their dumb heads [20:31]
punkman you do a good job, or maybe your ass looked good, or I just felt like it, you get a tip [20:31]
pete_dushenski to the point where i've seen credit card and debit card terminals that ask if you want to tip one of three pre-selected amounts : 15%, 20%, or 25%. [20:32]
pete_dushenski i'm pretty sure there are even 20-25-30 ones about, which is lunacy on a stick [20:32]
punkman lol [20:32]
pete_dushenski nothing irks me quite like holier-than-thou bellboys though, once had one in nyc who flat-out rejected $2. "not enough". because 0>2 in his fucking sandfilled head [20:34]
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mircea_popescu usistan not hungry enough. [20:41]
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assbot The Countries Where It's Most Difficult to Get a Visa - The Atlantic ... ( ) [20:43]
pete_dushenski in my experience : brazil [20:43]
pete_dushenski bbiab [20:43]
mircea_popescu << this probably needs a repost. via shinohai [20:44]
assbot RFC-2631, fips 186-3 and openssl's implementation of DSA [20:44]
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mircea_popescu ml also interesting for all the misdirection and denial work Peter Gutmann sinks into the matter. [20:48]
mircea_popescu (cryptlib / gnupg 2.x guy) [20:49]
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shinohai I would be absolutely miserable working for a place like this: [20:58]
assbot What it means to build a culture of positivity ... ( ) [20:58]
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assbot Hackers spent at least a year spying on Mozilla to discover Firefox security holes – and exploit them • The Register ... ( ) [20:58]
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shinohai What kind of poppycock is that? Won't hire me if I have been negative online. [20:58]
punkman "According to the FAQ, a total of 185 secret bugs leaked. Of those, Mozilla categorizes 53 as "severe vulnerabilities." The oldest of those went unpatched for 335 or more days" [20:59]
punkman when do we start making a browser? [21:00]
shinohai 335 days O.o [21:00]
punkman well yeah they had important "Features" to work on first [21:00]
shinohai I'd like a browser that doesn't break every time it updates every 3 days [21:01]
mats is it because multiple customers put orders in at the same time? [21:02]
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mats i guess it worked because i was the only one with any volume for the longest time [21:04]
mats well, if its any consolation, there's a btc for your troubles when coinbr is up, i know you do a lot of pro bono work around here [21:07]
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shinohai One day when I actually have btc I need someone to show me the ropes on coinbr [21:10]
assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 00:33:21; Bingo_VACAY: Juriv seriously consider raising coinbr fees [21:13]
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BingoBoingo Ah, well [21:16]
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shinohai LOLZ jurov [21:23]
BingoBoingo [21:24]
assbot Start a 'Grease Bucket Challenge' to raise awareness about obesity. : CrazyIdeas ... ( ) [21:24]
mircea_popescu lol pc frog [21:32]
mircea_popescu What kind of poppycock is that? Won't hire me if I have been negative online. << it's not hiring as much as living wage layer two. do you want to be like the niggers, getting free pills and welfare checks ? that's living wage layer zero. move to the ghetto. are you instead happy with the minimum wage, tax rebates, etc bullshit ? that's layer one, move to suburbia. [21:34]
mircea_popescu however if you want the best of the best cafeteria food - that's level two! be positive online, move to san francisco! [21:34]
mircea_popescu hiring in the traditional sense has no bearing on all this. it's "hiring", as in, usg "hires" you to lap up the welfare faucet drippings. [21:35]
mircea_popescu on the plus side, you won't have any actual work to do, that sort where you could encounter and might have to overcome your own stupidity and general human limitations. [21:35]
mircea_popescu on the minus side, if you can do it for a year and not want to kill yourself every night, you'll know you're dumb. not even "not smart". outright dumb. [21:36]
mircea_popescu when do we start making a browser? << noty. [21:38]
shinohai Ironically mircea_popescu, the hashbang guys wanted me to come to San Fran and work lol [21:39]
mircea_popescu aha [21:40]
shinohai I'd last about a week before I burnt the place down. [21:42]
mircea_popescu but to be fair : i also won't hire them if they've been stupid online. [21:42]
shinohai Or mybe I could sustain another workplace injury nd double my income. [21:43]
mircea_popescu so it's just where the wall is drawn. [21:43]
mircea_popescu either don't be stupid, if you can, or if you can't, then don't be negative. sorcerers in the celestial city. zombies in the zombie horde. [21:43]
mircea_popescu all things have a place and a place for all things. [21:43]
shinohai True. ^ [21:45]
shinohai No one wants to be around someone that always projects negativity. But isn't there something to be said for honesty? [21:48]
shinohai If someone tells me my product sucks, and it genuinely sucks, perhaps I can use that feedback to not suck. [21:48]
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pete_dushenski shinohai: coincidentally, i just saw this [21:50]
assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( ) [21:50]
mircea_popescu that's not even the main point. the main point is that they abhor hierarchy, and want the world to be flat. [21:50]
mircea_popescu negative reinforcement is what your superiors do, and they can't have any. [21:50]
mircea_popescu so you know, if his product sucks tell him in such a way that it doesn't come out you're better than him, and he won't think you were "being negative" [21:51]
mircea_popescu all this derpage to assuage the fears and terrors of the 14yo mind already... it's kinda sad. [21:52]
pete_dushenski << 0.5% per trade is plenty. [21:55]
assbot Logged on 07-09-2015 00:13:24; jurov: and the % .. maaybe someday [21:55]
pete_dushenski dunno where BingoBoingo gets the idea that he's jurov's business development advisor now [21:55]
* pete_dushenski is a contented coinbr customer, downtown factored in [21:57]
shinohai I may be totally wrong, but I think it is foolhardy *not* to seek advice and varied viewpoints. [21:57]
pete_dushenski downtime* [21:57]
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pete_dushenski shinohai: sure, but i didn't see jurov seeking advice here. maybe i missed this in the logs ? [21:58]
pete_dushenski !s hashbang [21:59]
assbot 5 results for 'hashbang' : [21:59]
* BingoBoingo just tossed out that suggestion [21:59]
pete_dushenski the equivalent being jurov telling qntra to put up a paywall because "make more skrillz!" [22:00]
pete_dushenski ;;ticker [22:00]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 242.36, Best ask: 242.37, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 242.37, 24 hour volume: 20324.8238345, 24 hour low: 235.75, 24 hour high: 248.48, 24 hour vwap: None [22:00]
BingoBoingo Would give that idea consideration [22:01]
pete_dushenski not saying you wouldn't [22:01]
mats i love drama [22:01]
pete_dushenski and maybe someday, we'll live to see it [22:01]
pete_dushenski mats: drama ? heh this little tickling ? [22:01]
mats your mom [22:02]
shinohai [22:02]
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pete_dushenski speaking of qntra, it's coming up on its first bday, neh ? [22:04]
pete_dushenski october, wasn't it [22:05]
BingoBoingo it is [22:05]
pete_dushenski pretty sweet [22:05]
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pete_dushenski and s.qntr has gone from 0.00013514 to 0.00039 !!! [22:06]
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assbot S.QNTR Analysis - Btc Alpha ... ( ) [22:06]
pete_dushenski "Eugenie Bouchard has pulled out of the US Open with a concussion. TSN has learned that Bouchard sustained the injury on Friday night when she tripped while walking from the training room to room where the ice bath is located." << go canada ;/ [22:09]
shinohai Qntra ... Powered by the tears of reddit (tm) [22:10]
pete_dushenski and truth ! [22:13]
pete_dushenski << if this doesn't encourage a few more kids to put their money where their mouths are, nothing will. now if they only had any money... [22:20]
assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 21:27:29; mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.00541072 * 15000 [22:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00072881 = 5.539 BTC [-] [22:24]
pete_dushenski bbl [22:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29155 @ 0.00073723 = 21.4939 BTC [+] {5} [22:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32000 @ 0.00073866 = 23.6371 BTC [+] [22:44]
asciilifeform << win. where do i buy a ticket to the public impalement of the 'best practices' folks ? [22:47]
assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 19:55:05; shinohai: [22:47]
asciilifeform that's what i wanna know [22:47]
asciilifeform << checking TAKES AS LONG AS RECALCULATING [22:48]
assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 20:36:02; mircea_popescu: << understand, there's no hardware solution to this problem. you may make the probability less, but the only path to certainty is checking. [22:48]
asciilifeform because it ~is~ equivalent to recalculating ! [22:48]
asciilifeform << neato. kakobrekla, do you have it on your list ? [22:49]
assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 20:42:32; mircea_popescu: << is also online, running pressed stator. [22:49]
asciilifeform << if you let the attach be mime/txt, line endings will be mutilated, aha. [22:49]
assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 21:10:03; mircea_popescu: << add to that, "never use known file extensions". [22:49]
asciilifeform Because It Can. [22:50]
asciilifeform << tr0l0l0l, gold medal. can take off the walrus mask now - which one of you rascals was this. [22:51]
assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 21:18:13; anton_osika: So long. Thanks for the voice until I can become friends with phunctor. [22:51]
asciilifeform << 'work' as in their presence must not make the thing blow up. atm, it does. [22:52]
assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 21:47:05; mircea_popescu: << why would either work ?! [22:52]
mircea_popescu aha [22:53]
asciilifeform << completely useless for anything but static html. it simply happens to be where my site lives [22:54]
assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 22:17:52; mats: [22:54]
asciilifeform (you can't actually get a 24/7 unix process at n.f.s. - it's a plain old www hoster, 1990s-style) [22:54]
asciilifeform ~and~ it's american. [22:54]
asciilifeform prolly not of interest to anyone here. [22:54]
asciilifeform << see above. [22:55]
assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 22:22:10; mats: in fact i think alf does? [22:55]
asciilifeform << i don't expect to get anything out of this. or rather, i don't expect to see any of the things that i want, for the price i can afford. this requires broke, desperate americans selling to make rent. and i can't see them doing it on mircea_popescutron [22:56]
assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 22:22:48; pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: unless you already have dark market connex, you might have to wait for mircea_popescu/trinque's new buy/sell board ;) [22:56]
asciilifeform << same, l0l [22:57]
assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 22:31:46; mircea_popescu: incidentally /me hates that trait more than any other. [22:57]
asciilifeform << holy fuck man what've you been smoking [22:57]
assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 22:31:55; pete_dushenski: ;;later tell asciilifeform also, 'order id 22472' would indicate that you have more available btc than rothschilds. who's poor now ? (and yes, i understand that no one will ever actually offer you 'taig' via -otc) [22:57]
asciilifeform << it's that one bloke, every time. mr. misspell. [22:58]
assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 23:07:59; mircea_popescu: i dunno. oddly the stan brood never talks. [22:58]
asciilifeform << this needs exposition work imho [23:01]
assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 23:46:21; mircea_popescu: ml also interesting for all the misdirection and denial work Peter Gutmann sinks into the matter. [23:01]
asciilifeform << note the standard slimeball blame shift to the folks who busted the bug vault, rather than the turds who collected and sat on the goodies for usgtronic purpose [23:02]
assbot Logged on 06-09-2015 23:56:11; assbot: Hackers spent at least a year spying on Mozilla to discover Firefox security holes – and exploit them • The Register ... ( ) [23:02]
asciilifeform << where does my personal circle of hell fit into this dante inferno ? y'know, the one with work [23:05]
assbot Logged on 07-09-2015 00:33:26; mircea_popescu: on the plus side, you won't have any actual work to do, that sort where you could encounter and might have to overcome your own stupidity and general human limitations. [23:05]
asciilifeform << omitted important elements, the zombie city and the celestial horde. [23:06]
assbot Logged on 07-09-2015 00:41:34; mircea_popescu: either don't be stupid, if you can, or if you can't, then don't be negative. sorcerers in the celestial city. zombies in the zombie horde. [23:06]
* asciilifeform in zombie city [23:06]
* asciilifeform moonlights in celestial horde [23:06]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: << i went there today. and this is how i imagine your old house looks like. [23:34]
assbot The Museum of Sleep-ad-Libitum ! - Album on Imgur ... ( ) [23:34]
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asciilifeform five motherfucking stories of it. [23:34]
mircea_popescu ahaha no, those chairs suck [23:34]
asciilifeform there were perhaps 1,001 types of chair. [23:35]
asciilifeform from ludovic vii to aeron. [23:35]
mircea_popescu they all seem the same, but maybe just bad pic choice [23:35]
asciilifeform rooms had 'countries' theme - 'britain', 'russia', etc. [23:36]
asciilifeform with predominantly 19th c (or early to mid 20th in some cases) setting for each. [23:36]
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mircea_popescu << there's always one of these precious "oh nothing happened lolz" derps mixing themselves in every discussion [23:36]
assbot Logged on 07-09-2015 01:59:41; asciilifeform: << this needs exposition work imho [23:36]
mircea_popescu in this case, it was gutmann [23:37]
asciilifeform how else! [23:37]
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asciilifeform i had never before been inside a hose half like that. [23:39]
asciilifeform it was brain-melting. [23:39]
mircea_popescu re that "blame shift" : i wouldn't even say it's blame shift or anything. pure "us vs them" mentality. obama bombs some schools ? YAY! schools organise and shoot some us terrorists ? BOO!!1 [23:39]
asciilifeform ~THIS~ is how actual people lived. [23:39]
asciilifeform ^ makes sense [23:40]
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asciilifeform btw that was also the first time in my entire life in usa that i saw proper european-height ceilings. [23:40]
asciilifeform (in a residential bldg) [23:40]
mircea_popescu and ftr it's perfectly sound. who exactly do you suppose will get quarter for "having been a very competent usg agent" ? [23:40]
mircea_popescu chtulhu can eat him first [23:40]
asciilifeform speaking of which, the curator informed me that j.e.hoover quartered his agents in that place. [23:41]
mircea_popescu what is it, some sort of hotrel ? [23:43]
asciilifeform house of 19th c. mega-imperial somebody, turned into a museum-cum-whore-hotel [23:44]
mircea_popescu aha [23:44]
asciilifeform << very spammy www, if i learned of it from www instead of wandering in, would not have even contemplated setting foot near it [23:44]
assbot The Mansion on O Street™ | Events, weddings, b&b & more in Dupont Circle, Washington DC. ... ( ) [23:44]
asciilifeform possibly one of the worst company www i have ever seen. [23:45]
asciilifeform and yes, one can rent the place by the hour, day, month, and actually shit in them golden toilets !! [23:45]
asciilifeform ^ ben_vulpes et al [23:45]
asciilifeform ^ anybody else in gringolandia. [23:46]
mats lol, front page: white, azn, brown child [23:46]
asciilifeform mats: i disrecommend the www; just see my photos. [23:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4725 @ 0.00072985 = 3.4485 BTC [+] [23:47]
asciilifeform though ftr i was there for ~2h and didn't visit even half the rooms. [23:47]
* asciilifeform was there with pet, and afterwards we had debate re: whether 'if even a few of the folks with maxint usd wanted a house like this, how many could be satisfied, ..., ..., turkey-buying dollars (tm), ..., ... .' [23:48]
mats i looked at em, gaudy stuff [23:48]
asciilifeform mats: much of the garbage in the photos is 'yard sale' [23:48]
asciilifeform (literally, the folks who work in that place, brought the crud in for sale) [23:49]
asciilifeform it is where the piles of 'books' came from [23:49]
mats lol [23:49]
mircea_popescu i'm not entirely certain what exactly strikes your fancy so, asciilifeform [23:50]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: similar feeling to when i saw an american grocery store for first time [23:51]
mircea_popescu !up zveda [23:51]
-assbot- You voiced zveda for 30 minutes. [23:51]
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zveda mircea_popescu: thanks [23:51]
mircea_popescu aha. who're you ? [23:51]
asciilifeform 'so this is what actual life looked like.' [23:51]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the abundance of items ? or what ? [23:51]
asciilifeform nonononono [23:51]
asciilifeform of space. [23:51]
asciilifeform fuck the items. [23:51]
mircea_popescu < such as ? [23:52]
assbot ... ( ) [23:52]
mircea_popescu first bidet masquerading as bathtub ive ver seen [23:52]
asciilifeform there were something like seven wooden tubs of various kinds, in just the rooms i saw [23:53]
mats reminds me of bath stall for old folks [23:53]
asciilifeform no 'pressed shitboard' either [23:53]
asciilifeform mats: actually old ru rubs were of the 'sit-down' kind [23:53]
asciilifeform mats: i bathed in one as a boy [23:53]
asciilifeform it was sop. [23:53]
mats interesting [23:53]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform incidentally, you ever been on the west coast ? [23:54]
asciilifeform then shittification, pressboardification, 'modern' towers, shitter/bath combos, and 'lie-down' enameled steel tubs. [23:54]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: nope [23:54]
mircea_popescu are you going ? [23:54]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: never had a reason to go [23:54]
asciilifeform i've never been to alaska either [23:54]
mircea_popescu well there certainly exist better museums of "sleep ad libitum" all through california. [23:54]
asciilifeform and it is ahead on the list [23:54]
mircea_popescu yes but this'd be relevant to your interests. [23:54]
asciilifeform any in particular ? [23:55]
mircea_popescu i dunno, dude, chris rhea's house lol. [23:57]
mircea_popescu anyone really. [23:57]
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mircea_popescu rea* [23:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00073432 = 6.6089 BTC [+] {5} [23:58]
asciilifeform it is a museum ? [23:58]
mircea_popescu mno. [23:59]
mircea_popescu hm. [23:59]
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asciilifeform i don't personally know a fella named chris rhea. [23:59]
asciilifeform so i can't imagine he would invite me for tea. [23:59]
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