Forum logs for 07 Oct 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
gabriel_laddel which is to say !s anything made for $20k or so [00:00]
gabriel_laddel ... [00:00]
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assbot Logged on 23-09-2015 02:04:53; asciilifeform: with no bureaucratic obstacles in the way (Officially not intended to be fed to human) - can get ANYTHING made for $20K or so, in Kg+ qty. [00:00]
BingoBoingo which is to say !s anything made for $20k or so << I dare you to deliver to me a Compact pickup truck in the United States less than 3 years old. The problems are known. [00:03]
gabriel_laddel Pardon? [00:03]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: context was a thread re: organic chem [00:03]
asciilifeform and the price of pharma [00:04]
BingoBoingo Ah, THought a more general price of anything. [00:04]
BingoBoingo I reverted to considering the "chicken tax" where a foreign made Ford Ranger of year old vintage would cost more to sell in USIA than an F-250 Super Duty with the OMGWTFBBQKINGRANCHDRESSING package, because arbitrarity. [00:06]
gabriel_laddel I wish the black market folk would get their shit together, start buying spectroscopy equipment and setup "trap houses" where you can go verify the pharma you buy is what you think you're buying. [00:08]
gabriel_laddel and by pharma, I don't mean dope [00:08]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: and when you get sc4mz0r3d, take wrong pill, croak, does your ghost negrate the test house ? [00:09]
mircea_popescu so can i have polymerizable water ? or is this "anything" limited by other criteria than "what you can describe" ? [00:09]
asciilifeform or how does it work [00:09]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: thread was about commercial organic chem [00:09]
BingoBoingo so can i have polymerizable water ? or is this "anything" limited by other criteria than "what you can describe" ? << Violently [00:09]
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mircea_popescu you realise i can declare a compound of arbitrary complexity right ? [00:09]
BingoBoingo !up bitcoinbrains_ [00:09]
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mircea_popescu organic chemistry, unlike $20k, is not finite. [00:10]
BingoBoingo you realise i can declare a compound of arbitrary complexity right ? << Declare, yes. Not blow yourself up with, no. [00:10]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i suppose i ought to clarify where i learned the figure and how. [00:10]
mircea_popescu so what sort of alf's Hilbert Hotel is this. [00:10]
gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: that problem reduces to "why doesn't MP run of with MPEX funds" [00:10]
gabriel_laddel the current issue is the people involved with the black market [00:10]
gabriel_laddel they suck [00:10]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: that problem reduces to "why doesn't MP run of with MPEX funds" << Not at all [00:10]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: we had a db from u.s. national cancer institute of a few million plausibly-synthesizable compounds, largely of unknown effect (never organizedly fed to any living thing) [00:11]
mircea_popescu aha. [00:11]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ran models, churning through astonishing qty of cpu cycle, and sent off db entries to orc lands for synthesis [00:11]
mircea_popescu no, i know the thing, and ftr a number like that has been thrown around pretty much ever since the major synth advances of the 80s [00:11]
asciilifeform they would come back in crated vials. [00:11]
asciilifeform which would then be tested on cell culture; followed by rodents [00:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.0004932 = 4.8334 BTC [+] [00:12]
asciilifeform (and the occasional lab gurl with holes in gloves...) [00:12]
gabriel_laddel lol [00:12]
asciilifeform !s glove girl [00:12]
assbot 0 results for 'glove girl' : [00:12]
asciilifeform hm [00:12]
mircea_popescu did you mean love irl ? [00:12]
asciilifeform bawat [00:12]
mircea_popescu g-love g-irl! [00:13]
asciilifeform << thread. [00:13]
assbot Logged on 13-11-2013 14:21:38; asciilifeform: lab girl had round-the-clock headaches for six months. went to every conceivable doctor, brain scans, the whole shebang. [00:13]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: at any rate, 'plausible synthesis' has a rough meaning. ask PeterL perhaps to explain in detail. but yes, synthetic vitamin B was a nobel. beyond a certain point of complexity, one tries to harness living things to crap out the goods [00:15]
asciilifeform rather than ab initio [00:15]
phf hah, i know some people working on that nci db of plausible compounds, part of the whole potomac russian jews community [00:16]
gabriel_laddel A tangentially related lol: [00:16]
assbot Logged on 14-11-2014 23:13:51; asciilifeform: she demanded to be 'let alone with it' [00:16]
asciilifeform wai wut [00:16]
asciilifeform related how [00:16]
gabriel_laddel girls in labs [00:16]
asciilifeform plenty of folks have tales involving these [00:17]
gabriel_laddel speaking of which, do you know how Al burned off "half his skin"? [00:17]
asciilifeform most of them end in 'and she went to med school' [00:17]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: he explained it to me, yes [00:17]
gabriel_laddel [00:18]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73881 @ 0.00048865 = 36.102 BTC [-] {4} [00:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73244 @ 0.00048489 = 35.5153 BTC [-] {2} [00:19]
asciilifeform << BingoBoingo really must show up to next conf. because i picture him as a character straight from mark twain [00:20]
assbot Logged on 07-10-2015 02:13:54; BingoBoingo: Big Negro Savior though came out from the bushes an grabbed Jimmy when he popped me in the Jaw. Jimmy was missing the rest of the semester. Apparently he transfered. [00:20]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I am not particularly impressive in the flesh. I am a super featherweight trapped in a super welterweight's 5'7" body [00:21]
asciilifeform not in this sense [00:22]
BingoBoingo Ah [00:22]
BingoBoingo Culturally then [00:22]
asciilifeform aha [00:22]
funkenstein_ gabriel_laddel, hooked on diff-eq-ics! great stuff. [00:23]
BingoBoingo Because as I keep trying to tell trinque Missouri is far more texas than Texas is [00:23]
trinque I dun believe [00:23]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: and this is something like the size & shape of avg. american folk from twain's time, even. [00:23]
BingoBoingo And far southern Illinois is more Ozark than Missouri [00:23]
trinque the apartment I just looked into, my dick ripped my pants [00:23]
trinque and that wasn't even because of the beautiful women living there [00:23]
asciilifeform but they also had elektron microscope ? [00:24]
asciilifeform with vaginal controls ? [00:24]
asciilifeform or what [00:24]
BingoBoingo trinque: I am trying to become sufficiently unpoor to get a 20-15 year old compact pickup. I filed that into the long term goal category. [00:24]
funkenstein_ for those interested in number puzzles, this "sloane's gap" one is to me a real puzzler [00:25]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: wouldn't that be a collectible and costly rarity ? [00:25]
gabriel_laddel trinque: settling in nicely? [00:25]
trinque asciilifeform: I'm sure some do at work [00:25]
trinque gabriel_laddel: I am, staying with family while I evaluate where to live [00:25]
asciilifeform so what did trinque see [00:25]
gabriel_laddel my guess: price-point [00:26]
trinque [00:26]
assbot One Lakes Edge | The Woodlands, TX Apartments ... ( ) [00:26]
trinque about 1550-1800 for a really nice place for a single guy [00:26]
asciilifeform but it's a flat [00:27]
asciilifeform where you gonna put the lathe [00:27]
trinque hang out there for a couple years then I'm buying a house [00:27]
trinque or wherever, haven't decided yet [00:27]
asciilifeform imho 'posh flat' is really 'worst of both worlds' - but that's just me. [00:28]
trinque most of my work involves the device in my lap currently, don't need tons of space [00:29]
asciilifeform then anything bigger than a lift cabin is burned $ [00:29]
trinque might as well eat solely based on caloric needs too eh? [00:31]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo: wouldn't that be a collectible and costly rarity ? << They are. But also fuel efficent. [00:31]
gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo: have you ever thought about taking a cruise down to SA? [00:32]
BingoBoingo gabriel_laddel: Walk, yes. Cruise, too much for budget given constraints. [00:32]
asciilifeform will need pontoons, on that truck.. [00:33]
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* asciilifeform will point out that airplane ticket costs less than any truck outside of a scrapyard [00:33]
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asciilifeform mordor-ba [00:33]
gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: ah, but notice BingoBoingo's problem isn't the cash for the ticket [00:33]
asciilifeform aha [00:34]
BingoBoingo will need pontoons, on that truck.. << Or truck with Darien capable history. [00:34]
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BingoBoingo * asciilifeform will point out that airplane ticket costs less than any truck outside of a scrapyard << Scrapyard frequently has servicable trucks for travel [00:34]
phf apartment living goes well with other outsourced infrastructure, i.e. ghetto warehouse for your lathe-placement-needs. you can do it on the cheap by pulling resources at a hackerspace [00:34]
gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo: yea, but I thought you were scared of the gangs? [00:35]
BingoBoingo might as well eat solely based on caloric needs too eh? << In Murica dangerous not to [00:35]
asciilifeform phf: i tried the 'hackerspace' thing, at its best it was an ick [00:35]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo: yea, but I thought you were scared of the gangs? << Not just any old gangs, specific kinds [00:35]
trinque the puritanical thing and the soviet thing are so similar [00:35]
gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo: right. So sail around. [00:36]
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gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo: and write a Qntra article about walking off the reserve. [00:36]
BingoBoingo gabriel_laddel: I drink too much to boat and sail sleeping [00:37]
gabriel_laddel oh my fuck you're missing my point. [00:37]
* trinque wonders who doesn't drink boating [00:37]
BingoBoingo what point [00:37]
BingoBoingo ? [00:37]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo:,-77.6980472,15579m/data=!3m1!1e3 << astonishingly abysmal res [00:38]
assbot Google Maps ... ( ) [00:38]
trinque I thought the point was to go fast ripped [00:38]
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BingoBoingo So, lets address some points about my current situation: 1) Hai FBI I noticed your Negro in the Lexus driving the street in front of my house three times today that I will admit to catching. [00:41]
gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo: take pics of that? [00:42]
BingoBoingo gabriel_laddel: No, just scowled. [00:42]
gabriel_laddel aww [00:42]
BingoBoingo Derping to take a picture doesn't look tough. [00:42]
gabriel_laddel Facial recognition goes both ways. I could use pics. [00:42]
gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo: anyways, let me spell this out for you - it'd be really cool to take a cuise down to BA, get coffee with MP and cruise back right? [00:43]
gabriel_laddel it would also be cool to fly in and do the same, but you can't b/c the court [00:43]
BingoBoingo Facial recognition goes both ways. I could use pics. << Doesn't need to go far. My street has no black residents. My street is a blind loop. One pass could be a common criminal. Multiple people is Law Enforcement. [00:43]
gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo: The pics would be for our intel systems dude [00:44]
BingoBoingo Cruise is expensive, you pay transit + living expenses for duration. BTC is too underpriced for that [00:44]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: what'd be the point? [00:44]
asciilifeform i mean, say 241st tank regiment rolls down your street every morning [00:44]
asciilifeform what's it to you. [00:44]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo: The pics would be for our intel systems dude << You don't need an image to recognize broke ass USG Denzel Washington wannabe [00:45]
gabriel_laddel ... [00:45]
gabriel_laddel COMPUTERS DUDE [00:45]
trinque !b 3 [00:45]
assbot Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( ) [00:45]
asciilifeform i mean, it is one thing if they break the door with demolition charges, drag you out in your nighties, and take you to 'the farm' where you can sit in the coke machine and cough out private key bits for 20 yrs. [00:46]
asciilifeform but driving menacingly past your house ? [00:46]
asciilifeform why bother ? [00:46]
BingoBoingo what's it to you. << My street is tar and macadam, that would tear it up. Literally one input goes to the county fairgrounds racetrack pit and my street. The other goes to my street. [00:46]
trinque this is where gossipd deniable statement mode would be great [00:47]
BingoBoingo why bother ? << Because they know black people don't live hear, and they want me to call local PD because they anticipate racism. [00:47]
gabriel_laddel trinque: why? [00:47]
asciilifeform fwiw i routinely have 3-4 white vans parked outside. snore. [00:47]
BingoBoingo but driving menacingly past your house ? << Why does local probationary cop live in the Murder duplex across from my present residence? either ignorance or malice [00:47]
asciilifeform wat's a murder-duplex [00:48]
asciilifeform ? [00:48]
* asciilifeform unfamiliar with term [00:48]
trinque gabriel_laddel: cause maybe he doesn't want to say what got them interested [00:48]
BingoBoingo wat's a murder-duplex << In 2005 wife doused her husband in kerosene and lit a match. Now walking free because only manslaughter [00:48]
phf asciilifeform: i think main use case for a hackerspace is place to deploy own oversized equipment, but have the location subsidized by "makers". most i've been to would go through the typical list of "3d printers", eventually followed by "and here's a cnc laser cutter etc. that you can only use if you ask such and such nicely and make he'll let you under his supervision" [00:49]
gabriel_laddel trinque: unless I'm greatly mistaken, he has a court case for something or other physical and US dept of treasury agents have dropped by his house b/c btc. [00:49]
asciilifeform phf: aha, we had this. [00:49]
asciilifeform phf: everything was either entirely dead or half-worked [00:49]
BingoBoingo Everyone working public safety professions in town knows that happened there. Yet cop is cheap enough to rent there? [00:50]
asciilifeform was in decrepit ancient church, even [00:50]
gabriel_laddel trinque: I have a photo of the agent's card, actually [00:50]
phf oh, right hacdc [00:50]
asciilifeform aha [00:50]
asciilifeform it is still there. i haven't visited in years. [00:50]
asciilifeform last i heard, they were doing balloons [00:50]
asciilifeform (of the stratospheric variety) [00:50]
phf last i was there the big project was public wifi for the neighborhood [00:51]
BingoBoingo trinque: unless I'm greatly mistaken, he has a court case for something or other physical and US dept of treasury agents have dropped by his house b/c btc. << I have disorderly conduct misdemeanor pending in neighboring county. Fed visit is on pre-qntra blawg [00:51]
asciilifeform i almost envy BingoBoingo - not even missionaries come to my house any longer. [00:51]
gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo: anyways, you should really take a cruise [00:51]
gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo: and photos of that agent [00:51]
gabriel_laddel post em here [00:51]
* BingoBoingo hates boats unless bass fishing [00:51]
phf i'm moving to dc again, so will pay them a visit [00:51]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo: and photos of that agent << The Treasury department's agent's name was Broachwala or some shit. Dot Indian. FBI refused to leave card, but ginger presumably Irish asshole/ [00:52]
* trinque pours out a little beer for BingoBoingo's troubles... into his mouth. [00:53]
BingoBoingo Both came out of the fucking Peoria field office, like fuck. St Louis is right fucking there. [00:53]
* BingoBoingo feels this persecution makes qntra perfect match for my anger [00:55]
* BingoBoingo also seriously though FBI office in Peoria was just there for the occasional drug bust and making sure the Israelies don't manage to steal all of Catepilar's tractors in one go [00:56]
BingoBoingo i almost envy BingoBoingo - not even missionaries come to my house any longer. << Jehova's witnesses come here still, but known local. [00:59]
BingoBoingo It has been a long while since home has been hasseled though, and the fucking same black person driving my street several times in the same day is as suspicious as fuck. [01:01]
phf you should try buying some weed from him [01:02]
BingoBoingo It's like that CIA/KGB joke: "American asks how do you keep catching our spies. KGB answers stop sending niggers." [01:02]
BingoBoingo you should try buying some weed from him << Nah, I'll put eye holes in a pillowcase and keep it in my back pocket. [01:03]
BingoBoingo I got enough tape of local pols saying racist things to make a Preet believe I was a footsoldier in THEIR conspiracy of hatred [01:04]
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BingoBoingo Feds read this channel so not like they weren't warned, though they might be miffed at my idea of local and other things... [01:06]
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phf stand up and be counted show the world that you're a man [01:09]
BingoBoingo Mebbe I got people in the US house? Maybe I got people in the Illinois house... Maybe I got people in the US Senate, Maybe I got people in the Illinois senate. [01:09]
BingoBoingo phf: A man does agress with other people's words. USG does that. Ethics demands you only defend with that. [01:10]
BingoBoingo I have to imagine other USian residents here have similar stashes. [01:12]
BingoBoingo [01:12]
assbot Image - SLiMGR ... ( ) [01:12]
BingoBoingo You don't have to outrun the bear, just the slowest derp. [01:13]
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phf man, i should learn by now not to click on your slimgr links [01:15]
BingoBoingo phf: Not all of them are so bad, but yeah... Dat Beetus gangrene [01:15]
BingoBoingo But seriously, the point of all of my drunk ramblings tonight ought to be learned early on the playground well before adulthood. If you know you are being harassed, keep evidence. Make the harasser's friends look like idiots by pretending to be their friend, and keep multiple copies of the evidence spread around in both probable and improbable places. Skipping some more probably places. [01:18]
phf in su we were taught a different strategy, since "having evidence" is top kek, know who to call if things go bad. if you had no one to call, you were shit out of luck [01:24]
gabriel_laddel phf: sorta like the chinese system? [01:25]
BingoBoingo in su we were taught a different strategy, since "having evidence" is top kek, know who to call if things go bad. if you had no one to call, you were shit out of luck << I figure why call? Make arrest as expensive as possible. [01:27]
phf i remember reading about chinese equivalent and noticing many similarities. they have a cool word for it, but i can't recall it [01:27]
BingoBoingo << No Gangrene pictures [01:29]
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phf guanxi [01:32]
gabriel_laddel phf: you're an old lisp hand right? [01:36]
gabriel_laddel phf: have you used CLIM? [01:36]
phf known as блат in russian, though that word is more often used in context of getting ahead i think it basically applies to overall structure of society. when shit hits the fan you call a your sister's husband's uncle who's a general, "vasily mikhalich, this is such and such..." [01:36]
assbot Blat (favors). - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) [01:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00048909 = 4.4018 BTC [+] [01:37]
phf gabriel_laddel: probably not enough to be useful, i played with it but ultimately switched to lispwork's capi for projects [01:38]
BingoBoingo phf: This is why I love bars. People have no idea if they know you or not and will talk as if old friends. This isn't favors. This is a nuclear option. [01:40]
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BingoBoingo Also impossible to make a case in a just system for extortion as no one has been threatened afore. In the worst case, if things work right hard to make a case that there was any connection between events at all. [01:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25750 @ 0.0004932 = 12.6999 BTC [+] [01:44]
BingoBoingo << "“Don’t put him in a room right over the ER,” whispers the unit secretary to the admission clerk. “The floor won’t support him. He’ll come crashing through and kill us all.”" [01:46]
assbot A morbidly obese patient tests the limits of a doctor’s compassion - The Washington Post ... ( ) [01:46]
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BingoBoingo "he seems to find succor in knowing that there’s no comment so cutting that it can’t be soothed by the balm of 8,000 calories per day." [01:47]
BingoBoingo "Though I have no way of knowing it, within a few months a crane will hoist the patient’s body through a hole cut in the side of his house, a hole that allowed EMS personnel to lower the body onto their new ultra-wide, ultra-sturdy gurney." [01:48]
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punkman BingoBoingo: do funeral homes charge extra for hamplanets? [01:52]
BingoBoingo Yes [01:53]
punkman "We try a chest X-ray, turning up the power to the maximum setting. All we see is white: The patient’s body is just too thick to allow standard X-rays to penetrate to the bones; he is a walking lead shield." [01:55]
punkman lol [01:56]
BingoBoingo Surprisingly common now. When I was going into college dad suggested I do somthing medical with a geriatrics speciality. How he never new when I said no that Bariatrics would be so trendy. [01:57]
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phf BingoBoingo: so apparently those masks could get a lot more elaborate then just a pillowcase with eye holes, [02:06]
assbot 1876 Ku Klux Klan Mask - Imgur ... ( ) [02:06]
punkman not bad [02:07]
BingoBoingo phf: But if you get that elaborate it looks like you care about their otherness. Far easier to get a ghostbusters pillocase and start with that for the alibi. [02:07]
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punkman BingoBoingo: elaborate is also identifying, which I guess might be a problem if you wanna by anonymous [02:09]
punkman *be [02:09]
BingoBoingo ;;google ghostbusters pillcase [02:10]
gribble 8 Ways To Do Ghostbusters 3 Correctly - ; Trading Faces - Ghostbusters Wiki - Wikia: ; Stash Bag Pillow Case - [02:10]
BingoBoingo ;;google ghostbusters pillowcase [02:10]
gribble 8 Ways To Do Ghostbusters 3 Correctly - ; Shawn Mendes Selfie Magcon Boys Pillow Case - Wanelo: ; Win tickets to FreakNight 2015 | Consequence of Sound: [02:10]
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assbot Pigdog Journal (Software Jihad) -- Larry Wall Unveils Perl 6.0.0 ... ( ) [02:36]
punkman what's next, they finish php6? [02:36]
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punkman "Windows 10: Off to the Hottest Start in History" "In just a few short months, it’s been incredible to see more than 110 million devices already running Windows 10." [02:52]
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punkman impressive botnet indeed [02:52]
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gabriel_laddel I got flexi-trivial-dired to sorta work! [06:47]
gabriel_laddel (a CLIM dired implementation) [06:47]
gabriel_laddel last piece in the complete CLIM desktop experience [06:47]
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punkman gabriel_laddel: is there a mirror of [06:56]
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gabriel_laddel punkman: not that I'm aware of [06:57]
gabriel_laddel punkman: what are you looking for? I'm pretty familiar with the current state of the docs. [06:57]
punkman I've looked at cliki entries for clim/mcclim and it's mostly broken links [06:58]
gabriel_laddel punkman: [06:58]
assbot robert-strandh/McCLIM · GitHub ... ( ) [06:58]
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mircea_popescu hhhhola [10:26]
mircea_popescu and in other san francisco news, [10:27]
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asciilifeform buenos dias señor popescu [10:27]
asciilifeform woah, that parking ! [10:27]
mircea_popescu << quite. [10:28]
assbot Logged on 07-10-2015 03:14:21; asciilifeform: rather than ab initio [10:28]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you wanna hear the cherry ? [10:28]
asciilifeform aha? [10:28]
mircea_popescu it gets WINDY. parking on a 30% incline with 50mph winds. [10:28]
asciilifeform i bet 'hummers' turn over like dominoes [10:28]
mircea_popescu i dun think they even go there [10:29]
asciilifeform (or at least threaten to) [10:29]
asciilifeform the lot at my mechanic's shop is like this. [10:29]
mircea_popescu meanwhile the street has yet to be invented in romaniawhere all the cars are parked within the same two inches from the sidewalk. [10:29]
asciilifeform (a fella from buenos aires, lulzily) [10:29]
mircea_popescu it's more like a foot [10:30]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i'd trust a ba mechanic. cook. dentist. plastic surgeon. [10:30]
mircea_popescu just... god help the army led by an argentine general ; or the country led by an argentine president etc. it'd do about as bad as the usarmy/usa. [10:30]
gabriel_laddel why the dentist & plastic surgeon? [10:31]
mircea_popescu contrary to what you might think, these are basically human pick-and-place machines. [10:31]
mircea_popescu << myeah, it's one of those massive slogs that nevertheless have to be done.pretty muchonly argument in favour of a state, to pay for the pyramids. [10:33]
assbot Logged on 07-10-2015 03:14:54; phf: hah, i know some people working on that nci db of plausible compounds, part of the whole potomac russian jews community [10:33]
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asciilifeform meanwhile them pyramids not doing so hot. [10:34]
asciilifeform mainly on account of the models being shit. [10:34]
mircea_popescu all models start out as shit. [10:34]
gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: the models being shit is because of the von-n bottleneck, no? [10:34]
mircea_popescu all people, too. [10:34]
mircea_popescu neah. [10:34]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: nope [10:34]
gabriel_laddel !? [10:34]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: it is actually because we do not have good models. [10:35]
mircea_popescu the models are shit because math is broken because idiots do strings theory and social fucking "sciences" [10:35]
asciilifeform aha. [10:35]
gabriel_laddel could you elaborate or point me to some lit? [10:35]
mircea_popescu you think linux is in bad shape, that just means you don't know enough math. [10:35]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: andrew leach, 'molecular modelling principles' [10:36]
asciilifeform for starters. [10:36]
mircea_popescu dude this guy has read everything [10:36]
mircea_popescu what the fuck is wrong with you! [10:36]
asciilifeform or hinchliffe's 'molecular mod. for beginnerz' [10:37]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i used to eat with this. [10:37]
mircea_popescu what did you eat, glacial toluene ? [10:37]
asciilifeform with modelling, i meant. [10:37]
mircea_popescu anyway, leach, great book. i dun think i understood most of it, but nevertheless. [10:37]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: << photoz from my past life [10:38]
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mircea_popescu oh right, cuz you used to work at the mice farm, it's starting to come back to me [10:38]
asciilifeform well i personally never smelled the mice [10:38]
asciilifeform and i worked at two separate 'pharms', separated by some years [10:38]
asciilifeform but overall, yes [10:38]
mircea_popescu aha [10:38]
* mircea_popescu has never been involved in the field, some minor amateur interest, and the math. [10:39]
* asciilifeform did a long tour of duty in empirical lab bio at u.s. nih while a schoolboy [10:39]
* mircea_popescu realises that probably no one else's light went off when alf was getting all excited about vmath that what he was seeing really was "omfg, usable molecular chem." [10:42]
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asciilifeform aha [10:43]
gabriel_laddel by vmath you mean PGP based academics? [10:43]
mircea_popescu i mean v-powered math. [10:43]
mircea_popescu it's in teh logs. [10:43]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: consider russel&whitehead's thing. but done right. [10:44]
mircea_popescu right for a definition of right that didn't even exist pre 2015. [10:44]
mircea_popescu o wait im sorry [10:44]
mircea_popescu THAT WAS NOT EVEN FORMULABLE. [10:44]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: I remember reading it, and at the time I couldn't tell if you were discussing seriously using V as a basis for academics, or just the general notion of having a explicit academic WoT. [10:44]
mircea_popescu dat v-ariety speak. [10:44]
gabriel_laddel lel [10:44]
asciilifeform ehe, stole fire from ze godz. now go light someone. [10:45]
asciilifeform see also: [10:45]
asciilifeform !s mumath [10:45]
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asciilifeform hm [10:45]
mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel a large part of the problem is that math is very poorly structured. [10:45]
asciilifeform !s derive.exe [10:45]
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asciilifeform ^ [10:45]
mircea_popescu currently it could be fair to say we have a large lump of peat bog math. [10:45]
mircea_popescu it's not even anthracite [10:45]
mircea_popescu it needs to be A LOT more crystalline before it does any serious damage to the walls of the world. [10:45]
mircea_popescu so, yes, it's math (ie, proven, correct, what have you), in which sense it physically exists, with so and so properties. just like the petrified shit in the peat. [10:46]
mircea_popescu it is not terribly useful, in that nobody has a fucking clue how to approach the serious problems. [10:46]
mircea_popescu once newton/leibniz fixed notation, for instance, to take a very easy historical example, [10:47]
asciilifeform the subset of maths that is actually ~understood~ in the proper sense is equal to the subset that has been mechanized. [10:47]
mircea_popescu ALL SORTS of previously inapproachable problems became mechanically solvable. [10:47]
mircea_popescu exactly asciilifeform [10:47]
gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: hence derive. [10:47]
gabriel_laddel gotcha [10:47]
mircea_popescu the reason "notation is worth 30 iq points" is specifically that good notations = properly crystallized topic. [10:47]
asciilifeform even a charlatan like herr wolfram understood this [10:47]
asciilifeform and had the business sense / lack of scruples / strategic usg buttbuddies - to turn it into $millions [10:48]
asciilifeform (he ran off with 'macsyma' and... well, the rest is well-known) [10:48]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform this incredible drive of the hobo to file off some gold from el dorado and run off with it back into the gutter. [10:48]
mircea_popescu what the fuck is wrong with moving there! [10:48]
asciilifeform they make ya work a full shift in el dorado [10:49]
asciilifeform apparently. [10:49]
mircea_popescu yaimsurethey do. [10:49]
mircea_popescu "make" and "work". [10:49]
asciilifeform aha. [10:49]
asciilifeform macsymas happen, yes. but not because brezhnevamaba willed them to exist, no. [10:50]
asciilifeform *brezhnevabama [10:50]
mircea_popescu myeah. [10:50]
asciilifeform but they happen. and not in private industry, either, except on embezzled time [10:50]
asciilifeform not in places where folks are accountable in the quarterly sense. [10:50]
mircea_popescu i'd say the jury's still out on this one., [10:51]
mircea_popescu let's move it to literature. [10:51]
mircea_popescu some writers write poorly under stress (orwell) ; somee other writers only wrote because hungry and hounded (balzac) [10:52]
mircea_popescu to me this is a good indicator of the subiacent truth : orwell was not really a writer, just masquerading as one. [10:52]
mircea_popescu taking advantage of sociocultural shifts that made such masquerade feasible. [10:52]
asciilifeform this is an old thing. goal-directed work - e.g., 'make atomic bomb for the motherland' - works with a beria holding broomstick up the collective arses of the institute staff. [10:52]
asciilifeform exploratory - does not. [10:53]
asciilifeform exploratory research (e.g., unix at bell) is predicated on, fundamentally, the freedom to waste time. [10:53]
mircea_popescu exploratory does too. /me has run scouts in the field, knows. [10:53]
asciilifeform (because you do not know in advance what is a waste) [10:53]
mircea_popescu the freedom to waste time is not equivalent to lack of accountability. [10:53]
mircea_popescu also, three ring binder management is not a good representative of management. [10:54]
asciilifeform granted, on some planet these are separable. [10:54]
asciilifeform i'd like to go there one day. [10:54]
mircea_popescu also, drunkenly beating your wife because the food was burned does not represent domestic discipline. scl. [10:54]
asciilifeform which is where we get back to 'freedom to waste time.' ~constructively~ wasting time requires discipline. of the internal kind. [10:55]
mircea_popescu internal discipline never exists in a void. either you are a discipline factor, in which case you will, willy nilly, attract slaves and construct an ordered space, by the act of mere existence, or you are a discipline beneficiary, in which case you will slowly gravitate, also willy nilly, towards a structured space. [10:56]
asciilifeform it is a talent, not really entirely unlike, say, the ability to do maths [10:56]
mircea_popescu nothing wrong with either, but large groups have come to significant grief trying to deny the wall / piss uphill. [10:56]
mircea_popescu it is a curse, not entirely unlike, say, being born intolerant of the smell of farts. [10:57]
asciilifeform is everyone 'either a mathematicizer or a beneficiary of mathematics who must gravitate towards the mathy' ? [10:57]
asciilifeform in a way - yes! [10:57]
mircea_popescu (from the "if money's a curse, may god strike me down with it! and may i never recover!" series) [10:57]
asciilifeform l0lz [10:57]
asciilifeform '' << from server log spam [10:58]
mircea_popescu im pretty sure twitter pivoted from the "come advertise us for free, you canthen read yourr stuff" to the v2.0 model of "thanks for all the free advertising, you can't really do anymore so now fuck off". [10:59]
mircea_popescu sometime in 2013 maybe. [10:59]
* asciilifeform never grasped the appeal of the thing, has been mostly ignoring it since day 1 [11:00]
gabriel_laddel what is a stream [11:00]
gabriel_laddel ^ web2.0 [11:00]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you familiar with kink high right ? [11:01]
asciilifeform aha, from mircea_popescu's article. in the abstract. [11:01]
mircea_popescu same thing. at least in romania, at some point the fuckable herd, 20somethings in pr and design and whatnot, decided this is the cool. [11:02]
mircea_popescu wolf has many liberties, but among them is not the liberty to move around ignoring the cattle herd. [11:02]
asciilifeform aha [11:03]
asciilifeform the oak, on the other hand, can sleep right through it. [11:03]
mircea_popescu There are only 90 primitive functional, algebraic, polynomial, logarithmic, trigonometric, exponential, and differential transformations. There are only a dozen basic tactics for methods of solution. There are only 33 rudimentary sine and cosine transforms. There are only 29 elementary classes of Fourier transform functions. There are only a few score series expansion modalities. [11:04]
mircea_popescu "Hooked on Differential Equations" sets each of these simple concepts to music. Twisted Sister, Metallica, The Dead Kennedys, [11:04]
mircea_popescu ahahahaha [11:04]
asciilifeform good ol' uncle al [11:04]
asciilifeform he eventually answered my mail, did i ever say. promised to dig out pgp key. [11:04]
asciilifeform al is almost a tree, operates in nearly geological time. [11:04]
asciilifeform perhaps by winter's end i will hear from him again, with a pgp sig [11:05]
mircea_popescu The music of John Cage, Charlotte Moorman and Annie Sprinkle will take you by the hand, correlating Gamma zeros with prime numbers! Imagine deriving Euler's constant from Stirlings asymptotic series! Imagine never living in fear or embarrassment again! This life can be your own! [11:05]
mircea_popescu bwahahaha o god. [11:05]
mircea_popescu oh which reminds me [11:05]
mircea_popescu yo Naphex wouldja consider putting "get in the wot" among the tasks for performers that earn them a fee reduction ? i'm willing to support it on the other end with the cents for tits programme. [11:06]
mircea_popescu and also get a blog damn. [11:06]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform as you perhaps intuited, mp's private island is really populated by pirates and harlots. [11:06]
asciilifeform how else [11:07]
mircea_popescu plus some confiscated spanish cannon. [11:07]
asciilifeform what's the point of island without these ! [11:07]
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mircea_popescu ask the fucking "start your own country" crowd, not me. [11:07]
asciilifeform from my readings, most of them just wanted out. [11:07]
asciilifeform like any prisoner [11:07]
mircea_popescu yeah. because moo-wants mattter now. [11:08]
asciilifeform well sometimes moo gets out. and then ambles about for a while, interrupting traffic, until re-corralled [11:08]
mircea_popescu we are all people and we will successfully rebel against the necessary effects of the mistaken belief that we are people through the mechanism that people can do whatever they want and we are people too! [11:08]
mircea_popescu such logic. [11:08]
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mircea_popescu << didja pull a "i'm taking it. you two can stay." [11:12]
assbot Logged on 07-10-2015 03:22:48; trinque: and that wasn't even because of the beautiful women living there [11:12]
asciilifeform << fly moar winblowz-air !!1 [11:13]
assbot Logged on 07-10-2015 05:55:14; punkman: [11:13]
mircea_popescu <<< i always thought trinque is a pretty good male stripper name. [11:13]
assbot Logged on 07-10-2015 03:28:13; trinque: most of my work involves the device in my lap currently, don't need tons of space [11:13]
mircea_popescu << omfg playing civ with opl! [11:14]
assbot Logged on 07-10-2015 03:28:38; asciilifeform: then anything bigger than a lift cabin is burned $ [11:14]
asciilifeform can hardly wait, incidentally, for the inevitable winblowzification of the (mandatory, never mentioned publicly in usa) remote control system for passenger liners [11:14]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what's wrong with opl ? [11:15]
mircea_popescu << unless one is actually building a fortress, it is a better plan to keep distriburted, redundant, cheap to set up living and work spaces. [11:15]
assbot Logged on 07-10-2015 03:33:48; phf: apartment living goes well with other outsourced infrastructure, i.e. ghetto warehouse for your lathe-placement-needs. you can do it on the cheap by pulling resources at a hackerspace [11:15]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: yes, better. but outside the budget of a ragged dervish. [11:16]
mircea_popescu the happy travelling salesman is the salesman that has a girlfriend in every town on the route and a friendly boss at every competitor. [11:16]
asciilifeform that's just another kind of 'rich' - rich in people. [11:16]
mircea_popescu the interaction between the fantasyt of the superhero and the constraints of the reality got resolved by the above observation resulting in the field of the "private eye" [11:17]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i surmise that the oak may sleep to everything, except those times when it's awake ? :D [11:17]
asciilifeform gotta wake up for a few min. every day to pump the sap [11:18]
mircea_popescu sop. [11:18]
asciilifeform at any rate, i actually tried the 'pool resources' thing phf spoke of, with buncha other weirdos. my main problem is that i find interacting with meat people to be a very mentally taxing thing. [11:19]
asciilifeform (the other problem is that everybody, self included, was doing it in 'spare cycles, tired from day job' mode and none of the equipment was ever really made to work / nothing ever happened [11:20]
asciilifeform ) [11:20]
asciilifeform travel to and from the rathole was also an exhausting thing [11:20]
mircea_popescu << you never stood next to tanks moving hqave you. [11:20]
assbot Logged on 07-10-2015 03:43:46; asciilifeform: i mean, say 241st tank regiment rolls down your street every morning [11:20]
mircea_popescu i'd rather be charged by angry goats. [11:21]
gabriel_laddel Hrm. In the silly valley the problem with these hackerspaces is typically idiots everywhere. [11:21]
gabriel_laddel if they'd just get out of the way, it would be a lot of fun. [11:21]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform my main problem is that i find interacting with meat people to be a very mentally taxing thing. << explain ? [11:22]
gabriel_laddel e.g., don't let smelly homeless into the neato hacker fortress in SF [11:22]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: the one i went to, actually had a chick! who was fond of meetings, minutes, paperwork, the whole shebang, and would gripe about all of this being unappreciated [11:22]
gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: [11:22]
mircea_popescu she actually does have a point, tho im sure she made a mess of it. or maybe not. [11:22]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i am very easily distracted by people talking [11:23]
mircea_popescu oh the interrupt thing. yeah i can see that. [11:23]
asciilifeform and also by not being able to disappear into alone-space by pressing a button. [11:23]
asciilifeform (mask interrupts!) [11:24]
mircea_popescu lol [11:24]
mircea_popescu anwyay, the ba log is really nothing other than properly kept minutes. [11:24]
mircea_popescu << in which we discover alf does not understand how teh usg works. [11:25]
assbot Logged on 07-10-2015 03:45:15; asciilifeform: but driving menacingly past your house ? [11:25]
mircea_popescu dude, if they had the fucking balls to be effectual they wouldn't be themselves, now would they. [11:25]
asciilifeform hey every so often they bust a door and drag some kicking and screaming, no ? [11:26]
mircea_popescu really ? [11:26]
asciilifeform but wtf is the point of 'rolling by' some schmuck's house ? [11:26]
mircea_popescu << interesting theory, sounds fucking insane tome, but then again... [11:26]
assbot Logged on 07-10-2015 03:45:57; BingoBoingo: why bother ? << Because they know black people don't live hear, and they want me to call local PD because they anticipate racism. [11:26]
asciilifeform i don't give a tinker's damn if obamitler himself drives by my house. [11:27]
mircea_popescu anyway, inplainer terms : the point of rolly by some schmuck's house is that you get to be in the car, and the clock is ticking, and you almost certainly won't get shot. [11:27]
asciilifeform it's a fuckin city street. [11:27]
mircea_popescu this makes it a better thing to do than any alternative, for the guy in question. [11:27]
asciilifeform ah, now those we have everywhere. [11:28]
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mircea_popescu << dude... [11:29]
assbot Logged on 07-10-2015 03:47:51; BingoBoingo: wat's a murder-duplex << In 2005 wife doused her husband in kerosene and lit a match. Now walking free because only manslaughter [11:29]
mircea_popescu << boobs wanna be free!!1 [11:31]
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asciilifeform but re: phf et al, yes, with 5x the budget i would indeed rent five warehouses while living in a coffin. [11:32]
mircea_popescu precious few people living in coffins were "people rich" [11:33]
asciilifeform supposing i were not a slave and did not have to live on a plantation [11:33]
asciilifeform speaking of which [11:33]
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mircea_popescu << this is a better plan than it sounds lol. [11:34]
assbot Logged on 07-10-2015 04:01:20; phf: you should try buying some weed from him [11:34]
mircea_popescu they'll get all the effort underway for a "sting operation", easy 100k worth, then you can just point and laugh at them. [11:34]
trinque mircea_popescu | <<< i always thought trinque is a pretty good male stripper name. << bwahahaha, I'd have said web work is a proper whore's job [11:36]
assbot Logged on 07-10-2015 03:28:13; trinque: most of my work involves the device in my lap currently, don't need tons of space [11:36]
mircea_popescu (make sure you're with MANY people. see also ) [11:36]
assbot Logged on 19-01-2015 16:19:17; mircea_popescu: Argentine Cabinet Chief Jorge Capitanich had said Nisman's allegations were "crazy, absurd, illogical, irrational, ridiculous, unconstitutional". [11:36]
mircea_popescu << any drunken walk experts in the audience care to explain why the well work walkspot (a fine indicator of the strip club with tradition) is square rather than the round one'd expect ? [11:39]
assbot ... ( ) [11:39]
mircea_popescu spoils for the victor : [11:39]
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mircea_popescu << twas not top kek, jjust, hard to do well. [11:44]
assbot Logged on 07-10-2015 04:23:01; phf: in su we were taught a different strategy, since "having evidence" is top kek, know who to call if things go bad. if you had no one to call, you were shit out of luck [11:44]
mircea_popescu << amusingly enough, in romanian the word denotes a bluff. [11:45]
assbot Logged on 07-10-2015 04:35:36; phf: known as блат in russian, though that word is more often used in context of getting ahead i think it basically applies to overall structure of society. when shit hits the fan you call a your sister's husband's uncle who's a general, "vasily mikhalich, this is such and such..." [11:45]
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mircea_popescu << this is no small matter, incidentally. it'sjust good fortune that human body can actually be imaged without requiring doses of radiation that'd be strong enough to induce cancer locally. [11:52]
assbot Logged on 07-10-2015 04:54:48; punkman: "We try a chest X-ray, turning up the power to the maximum setting. All we see is white: The patient’s body is just too thick to allow standard X-rays to penetrate to the bones; he is a walking lead shield." [11:52]
mircea_popescu it's a typical surface-and-radius problem, and we for some reason fell on the lucky side of it. [11:52]
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mircea_popescu << how to help spammers create a mailing list.'
assbot Is the Yeti Real? Researcher Finds Himalayan Yeti “Genetically Identical” to Ancient Polar Bear : Conscious Life News ... ( ) [12:07]
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punkman "Just to drive him a little bit crazy, I took to referring to him as a “short-fingered vulgarian” in the pages of Spy magazine. That was more than a quarter of a century ago. To this day, I receive the occasional envelope from Trump." [13:12]
punkman "There is always a photo of him—generally a tear sheet from a magazine. On all of them he has circled his hand in gold Sharpie in a valiant effort to highlight the length of his fingers." [13:13]
punkman "Like the other packages, this one included a circled hand and the words, also written in gold Sharpie: “See, not so short!” I sent the picture back by return mail with a note attached, saying, “Actually, quite short.” Which I can only assume gave him fits." [13:14]
mircea_popescu is stubbly fingers bad in the us ? [13:14]
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deedbot- [Trilema] MiniGame (S.MG), September 2015 Statement - [13:41]
mircea_popescu stories from the deep, for my good friends in nyc (paging mike_c ) : plumer called yest ; said he's gonna show up today between noon and 3. showed up at 1. fixed thing with his own parts, half hour labour, certified sort of task. the bill ? ~120. [13:41]
mike_c hehe, don't lose that guy's number. I bet a good contractor is almost as hard to find down there as it is up here. [13:43]
mircea_popescu myeah. very pleasant young guy too. [13:43]
mircea_popescu intel delivers! [13:43]
* mircea_popescu recalls many winters ago going through books, discovering $680 express charge. turns out that if you want nyc service "within three days" you gotta pay like a week's wages. otherwise, the waiting list's 5 weeks long. [13:44]
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mircea_popescu << photoproof that being lame and boring is contagious, whereas being nude is not. [13:48]
assbot ... ( ) [13:48]
mircea_popescu should explain a lot about the state of the world. [13:48]
mike_c I'm looking forward to Eulora land ownership. [13:50]
mircea_popescu me too! [13:50]
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mod6 so awesome. every exciting stuff. [13:56]
mircea_popescu >D [14:07]
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pete_dushenski "For just $19.99, will send you a few leaves harvested from the colorful forest floors of Vermont and New Hampshire. “Each leaf is carefully picked and color balanced in a bundle of three,” the website reads." << so $6.66 for a generic leaf ?? what was that about money not growing on trees ? [14:12]
mircea_popescu lawl. [14:14]
mircea_popescu beats wood off the authentic cross and holy water from the whatever. [14:14]
mircea_popescu or does it. [14:14]
mircea_popescu in other news, do you like dags ? [14:15]
assbot ... ( ) [14:15]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo's bro does [14:15]
pete_dushenski dawgs are too much work for me [14:16]
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pete_dushenski i mean, if you're going to put that much work into a lump of flesh, from infancy on upwards, why not at least mould it in your own image ? [14:16]
pete_dushenski dog sorta plateaus at, what, 6 month-old child's mental capacity ? [14:17]
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pete_dushenski not that the unconditional love thing probably doesn't hold some appeal [14:17]
mike_c you can train a dog to do what you tell it. [14:17]
pete_dushenski just not for yours truly so much [14:17]
pete_dushenski mike_c: more easily than people, yes. but people too ! [14:18]
mike_c mhm. let's circle back on that when your newborn gets a personality :) [14:18]
pete_dushenski haha k [14:18]
mike_c Although there is that weird feeling of frustration and pride when your stubborn two year old will not do what you want, but you realize that's because he is a lot like you. [14:20]
mike_c but still, just put your goddamn pants on so we can go to the park. [14:21]
jurov pete_dushenski: the $20 foliage reminds me of [14:23]
assbot Waste of some geodes seen in a gift shop at Niagara Falls - Imgur ... ( ) [14:23]
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mircea_popescu don't knock it, smart 6 month old kid >>> dumbass adult. [14:26]
mircea_popescu what thefuck is that disgusting goop [14:27]
mircea_popescu and THEY KNEW it was fucking stupid, which is why they put that ground copper on it or w/e it is. [14:27]
jurov glue pistol [14:27]
jurov *thermal [14:27]
mircea_popescu "hey, this tastes like shit" "add some ginger to it!" [14:28]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski im not so sure of the entire moulding thing. i think i met more competent dogs than competent humans in my life, mostly because the bar so much lower for dog. and it's self-moulding really, just as long as you don't get in th way too much. [14:29]
mircea_popescu sorta like health generally. [14:29]
pete_dushenski jurov: looks like amethyst. /me recalls traveling across canada in my early youth, stopping at amethyst mines, being fascinated by the colour and size of the formations [14:31]
pete_dushenski but the superglue is a bit much ;/ [14:32]
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pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: sure the bar is lower for dogs, where's the alf dog ? not meeting a stand-out example allows the others to enjoy their mediocre unexceptionalism [14:34]
pete_dushenski free of the bright light of contrast [14:35]
pete_dushenski actually, 'alf dog' sounds like a great comic strip idea [14:35]
pete_dushenski hell, when eulora gets animals, this beast should be there ! [14:36]
pete_dushenski it'll obviously talk, mostly pessimistic/crank whispering, fomenting rumours from across the land [14:37]
pete_dushenski 'alf dog' can truly be man's best friend : always keeping him on his toes, alert, aware of the faintest rustles in the leaves [14:38]
pete_dushenski he'll sense things that no person ever could, and have the ability to articulate it ! [14:38]
* pete_dushenski doesn't, ftr, think alf is anything like a 'crank' but that he's easily the foremost expert on those who are [14:40]
pete_dushenski << speaking of man better understanding his dog... [14:41]
assbot DogStar TailTalk: World’s First Dog Emotion Sensor | Indiegogo ... ( ) [14:41]
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jurov convert your dog to tamagotchi!!11(r)(tm) [14:47]
pete_dushenski so... you can spec a 'microshit surface pro 4' with 1tb hd, 16gb ram, intel i7 for... $2`700 ! [14:48]
pete_dushenski coming to a leasing plan near you (tm) [14:48]
jurov is it compatible with zune? [14:48]
pete_dushenski jurov: you ever play tamagotchi ? i think i was the only kid in my class who didn't. maybe one other. [14:48]
jurov i didn't, but yes, half of class had [14:49]
pete_dushenski global phenomenon eh. i don't think they were exactly cheap either. maybe $cad 40 ? in ~1997 money ? [14:51]
pete_dushenski those pre-dot-com bucks are nothing to sneeze at. [14:51]
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jurov yep, many rich kids in our 'hood [14:55]
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pete_dushenski ah scratch that 40 guesstimate : the 1996 model msrp'd for 2079 yen, $usd 15.99. so probably closer to $cad 20. [14:58]
punkman how much was the gameboy around then? [14:58]
pete_dushenski ~$100 iirc [14:59]
pete_dushenski that's $cad [15:01]
pete_dushenski yup, gameboy pocket (1996) msrp was $usd 59.99 [15:01]
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pete_dushenski $cad 1 = $usd 0.66 at the time, was parity five years ago, now back to 0.75 [15:02]
pete_dushenski gameboy pocket cartridge capacity : 1mb (!) [15:02]
pete_dushenski cpu speed : 4.19 mhz [15:03]
pete_dushenski golden days. [15:03]
pete_dushenski well, i'm off for a bit ! [15:04]
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jurov FTW! [16:30]
assbot Mongolian Music (Rap Style) Throat Song "Fish Symboled Stamp" - YouTube ... ( ) [16:30]
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ascii_field ty jurov [16:32]
* ascii_field has been trying and failing to get external lcd working on a w540 for >year now [16:32]
* ascii_field at the end of the latest bout of this [16:32]
jurov lol "power to handle any taxing software" i understood as "taxation software" [16:34]
assbot ThinkPad W540 | Mobile Workstation | | Lenovo US ... ( ) [16:34]
ascii_field i cannot even begin to describe how much i hate this thing [16:36]
ascii_field most of all for there being no (afaik) alternative to it [16:37]
ascii_field that is even half worth considering [16:37]
ascii_field instead, i look at 2mm tall text. [16:47]
ascii_field all day, every day. [16:48]
punkman why doesn't the external display work? [16:48]
ascii_field because fucktarded 'nvidia optimus' [16:48]
ascii_field that can't be turned off [16:48]
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ascii_field this is (or was) afaik the most expensive portable sold, and it is ~still~ a turd [17:14]
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ascii_field incidentally, the very existence of 'ubuntu' is a blight. [18:12]
ascii_field because it enables a host of sc4mz0rz to peddle 'linux-compatible!!1!!!11' crud that is entirely not [18:12]
ascii_field (functions only if you use the ubuntu kernels and never attempt to so much as rebuild) [18:12]
ascii_field in turn, no one bothers to develop an actual driver because 'dontcha know, ubuntu is linux and there is a linux driver' [18:13]
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pete_dushenski "Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei on Wednesday banned any further negotiations between Iran and the United States" << because not even iran will negotiate with terrorists. [18:21]
pete_dushenski because what's to negotiate with ? usg is a nebulous metastatic blob with no end and no beginning. trying to have a conversation with it is like talking to a tree and expecting the forest to play along. [18:22]
pete_dushenski khamenei's approach, despite being at odds with iran's president, is correct, sane, and hygenic. [18:23]
pete_dushenski ""Negotiations with the United States open gates to their economic, cultural, political and security influence. Even during the nuclear negotiations they tried to harm our national interests.," Khamenei was quoted as saying on his website."" [18:23]
pete_dushenski go figure the one political leader in iran who doesn't have to worry about re-elections has the most considered perspective. [18:24]
deedbot- [Qntra] Foundation and No Such lAbs Continue Improving Bitcoin: V Ascendant - [18:24]
pete_dushenski what are the chances that democracy doesn't produce the best results ? but rather the results that favour usg interests ? hm. i wonder. [18:24]
ascii_field moocracy [18:25]
pete_dushenski oinkokracy, more halal. [18:25]
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BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: << Software on most VW's come get new catalytic converters and fuel injectors... No piss system it seems... [18:28]
assbot Neuer Volkswagen-Chef: VW will Mängel an Fahrzeugen bis 2016 beheben ... ( ) [18:28]
pete_dushenski piss is too pricey. [18:30]
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pete_dushenski << such fucking lulz. [18:32]
assbot ISIS driving Toyotas a little too often, US Treasury wonders why — RT USA ... ( ) [18:32]
pete_dushenski u.s. wonders aloud : "why aren't the bad guys driving our shitboxen ?!" [18:33]
pete_dushenski um. because they're shitboxen. [18:33]
pete_dushenski and toyotas have a hard-earned reputation for lasting longer than regimes. [18:34]
pete_dushenski so yea, isis uses toyotas. [18:34]
pete_dushenski but asking toyota why they're providing isis with trucks is like asking amd why they're providing tmsr~ with chips and mobos, or asking boeing why they gave the 9/11ers planes. [18:35]
pete_dushenski what kind of sense is this ? [18:35]
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ascii_field pete_dushenski: this kind of thing began in 1960-70s, where 'why did this computer end up in su' became a thing [18:36]
pete_dushenski no wonder khamenei won't negotiate with these fucks. [18:36]
ascii_field and usg conscripted tech suppliers, not only banks, to serve as de-facto polizei [18:36]
pete_dushenski a role they play to this day, much to the detriment of their own long-term survival. [18:37]
pete_dushenski but hey, no one ever got fired for complying and taking the path of least resistance. [18:37]
pete_dushenski so on it goes. [18:37]
ascii_field they survive, and will continue to survive, because there is no alternative [18:37]
ascii_field nothing that looks, smells, walks, talks, like the remotest shadow of an alternative. [18:37]
ascii_field find me a motherfucking laptop with ips display and room for 24G that doesn't have nvidia piece of shit. [18:38]
pete_dushenski well, i won't speak for intel, but toyota can flatly tell usg where to go. [18:38]
pete_dushenski ascii_field it seems that computing is unique in this regard. [18:38]
ascii_field it is not unique. [18:39]
ascii_field you can't buy a truck without plastic in it, and computerized ignition, either. [18:39]
BingoBoingo you can't buy a truck without plastic in it, and computerized ignition, either. << Sure you can... Just not new [18:39]
pete_dushenski ascii_field because poison pill computing has seeped in the cracks. [18:40]
* trinque muses that the end of the world never approaches; it always already came [18:40]
BingoBoingo * trinque muses that the end of the world never approaches; it always already came << It came when Andrew Jackson when on his genocide kick in defiance of the US supreme court. Or when Washington wasn't hung during the WHiskey rebellion. [18:41]
trinque riff on the "no one could have forseen" wry comment [18:42]
trinque of course people saw the end approaching but was it ever stopped? [18:42]
BingoBoingo Nope. Just happened. [18:43]
ascii_field the reason why the decay is at its most cartoon-coloured visible in computing, is that it is the most inherently centralized industry in existence [18:43]
ascii_field more so even than nuclear [18:43]
ascii_field there are literally one hand's fingers' worth of places on the planet where workstation cpu is made [18:43]
ascii_field and perhaps 2x that many where mobo is made [18:43]
ascii_field and two or three, where modern ram is. [18:43]
* BingoBoingo kinda wants to see ISIL driving some new Ford superduty trucks now that FOrd is going all in on Art Deco and chrome. [18:44]
pete_dushenski ascii_field this is perhaps a better restatement of what i was getting at with the uniqueness of computing [18:45]
pete_dushenski the degree of centralisation is pretty unparalleled [18:45]
ascii_field notice how, e.g., france, made own hydrogen bomb. but it is powerless to make own 'pentium.' [18:45]
ascii_field even if wanted. [18:45]
pete_dushenski that is actually a fascinating truth. quite revelatory of the complexity involved. [18:46]
ascii_field it is not even about complexity. [18:46]
ascii_field but economics. [18:46]
BingoBoingo Gawker Media now in full actual war propaganda mode, seriously intercepting drones in a manned aircraft takes balls: [18:47]
assbot Russia Intercepts U.S. Drones Over Syria, Launches Cruise Missiles From Caspian ... ( ) [18:47]
pete_dushenski we never had the nuclear-powered cars expected in the 1950s (ford nucleon), but computer powered ? entirely, now. [18:47]
ascii_field BingoBoingo: snore. poor things are defenseless [18:47]
ascii_field ('predator', [18:48]
ascii_field 'reaper', have no cannon) [18:48]
BingoBoingo ascii_field: Well then can use self as rocket [18:48]
ascii_field BingoBoingo: have you ever seen one ? [18:48]
trinque I've already heard a derp repeat "they're shooting down our drones!" [18:48]
BingoBoingo Not live [18:48]
ascii_field there are a few hanging in the national airplane museum [18:48]
ascii_field they have small propellers. [18:48]
ascii_field thing is just a slow flying platform to drop one or two rocket bombs from [18:49]
* BingoBoingo lives a county away from Airforce Base, see a lot of cargo haulers and the decoy air force one fleet often [18:49]
pete_dushenski ascii_field but if french bureaucracy is (and has been for decades if not centuries) the centralised behemoth that i understand it to be, why h-bomb and no 'pentium' ? [18:50]
BingoBoingo ascii_field: But flying to intercept means getting close enough for a bored kind at Nellis to put the drone into a hard turn for the lulz [18:50]
pete_dushenski what's different about usg/su centralisation ? scale of overall economy from which to draw ? [18:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00050365 = 8.0584 BTC [+] [18:50]
ascii_field pete_dushenski: because, to any 'reasonable' person, making french pentium is entirely indistinguishable from taking the entire gold reserve and shooting it into the sun [18:50]
ascii_field su also did not do it, notice ! [18:51]
pete_dushenski which it would be, except useful. [18:51]
pete_dushenski su didn't make chips ? [18:51]
ascii_field modern ru was - if we are to believe elbrus co. - just barely able to make a handful of 'pentium 1'-equiv. items. [18:51]
pete_dushenski aha [18:51]
ascii_field pete_dushenski: they had trouble keeping up with 1980s usa [18:51]
pete_dushenski and who knows if 'elbrus' can be believed. [18:52]
ascii_field and, i will note, lifted die contents wholesale [18:52]
ascii_field (though not always) [18:52]
pete_dushenski ascii_field as 2010s usa has trouble keeping up with chian [18:52]
pete_dushenski china* [18:52]
ascii_field pete_dushenski: china does not actually design workstation either ! [18:53]
ascii_field never has [18:53]
ascii_field notice i did not say 'cpu' but specifically workstation cpu [18:53]
pete_dushenski hm. in terms of design, you have a point. [18:53]
ascii_field if we must have a rigorous definition, say 'cpu which can keep the blockchain' [18:53]
pete_dushenski if russia has the economy to make elbrus, which can presumable keep the blockchain, seems odd that china can't [18:55]
ascii_field pete_dushenski: i do not know for a fact that elbrus was made. [18:55]
ascii_field for all i know, it is a '90s-style chumpatron like the last elbrus ! [18:55]
ascii_field and the one before that. [18:55]
pete_dushenski lol! [18:56]
pete_dushenski they could teach ethertards a thing or two if they're ~that~ good. [18:56]
ascii_field mircea_popescu actually worked some magic to try scoring a sample board but nothing came of it. [18:56]
pete_dushenski back to french 'reasonability' and why they haven't launched gold into sun, since when are the french reasonable ? they're fucking nutbag socialists of the highest order ! [18:57]
ascii_field at this time, every single copy of every variant of bitcoin in the world runs on a cpu designed - and, in almost all cases, made - by the usg ministry of crudputing !! [18:58]
ascii_field pete_dushenski: reasonable enough not to launch a trillion's worth of au into the sun. [18:58]
ascii_field not a high bar. [18:58]
pete_dushenski though i'm now starting to appreciate alf's earlier point about isis : 'show me single kalash bullet' [18:58]
pete_dushenski as to how far and how improbably a culture and economy has to come to develop that which we take for granted. [18:59]
ascii_field really the other thing, imho, is more interesting - that modern tech is far more of a centralized thing than anything in old su ever was [19:00]
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pete_dushenski !up ascii_field [19:00]
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ascii_field su actually had competing suppliers, and sometimes entire supply chains, for things. [19:01]
ascii_field whereas your cpu came from one of three buildings on the whole fucking planet. [19:01]
ascii_field and your next one - from one of two. [19:02]
pete_dushenski because of the costs of 10/14nm chips requiring still more centralisation ? or because 'next one' will necessarily have 'arm', which is only made in 2 places ? [19:04]
ascii_field and designed in ONE [19:04]
ascii_field (yes, even chinese arm is 'license design') [19:04]
ascii_field yes, ALL OF loongson's products. [19:04]
ascii_field also licensed. [19:04]
ascii_field (the mips series) [19:04]
ascii_field NO ONE DESIGNS [19:04]
pete_dushenski once a (human) generation, it seems. [19:05]
ascii_field nonsense. [19:05]
ascii_field this is unique to cpu. [19:06]
ascii_field (and, to slightly lesser extent, related peripherals) [19:06]
pete_dushenski well, even if new cpu was designed, it'd have to be made at one of a handful of facilities, the odds of which are ~0, yes ? [19:08]
ascii_field aha. [19:08]
ascii_field but it is important to understand the sheer magnitude of the first counterfactual here. [19:08]
ascii_field NO ONE has, for a very long time, designed a cpu in the sense of actually laying out the transistors. [19:09]
ascii_field instead, it is much like modern high-level programming languages [19:09]
ascii_field with elephantine libraries, largely consisting of layer upon layer of kludge [19:09]
ascii_field all of it maximally proprietary, without exception - microshit-based, and having 'compile times' measured in weeks or months [19:10]
pete_dushenski for a bit of history, when was the last clean sheet design made ? and by whom ? the gods ? [19:11]
ascii_field pete_dushenski: no later than late 1980s [19:11]
ascii_field pete_dushenski: here is a classic historic example of such a design: [19:14]
assbot DSpace@MIT: [19:14]
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ascii_field goes from a program, all the way to a chip die generated by said program, AND able to run it ! [19:14]
ascii_field in a few 100 lines of 'scheme' (a lisp dialect) [19:14]
pete_dushenski i'm probably ill equipped to appreciate 'scheme-79' but i like the hand-drawings ! [19:16]
pete_dushenski particularly the fact that artist didn't use ruler for all arrows [19:16]
pete_dushenski some are noticeably wobbly. [19:16]
pete_dushenski ascii_field and where does z80 fit into this picture ? [19:17]
ascii_field pete_dushenski: nowhere. [19:25]
ascii_field because you cannot blockchain on it. [19:25]
ascii_field or develop bitcoin. [19:25]
pete_dushenski aha just a curiousity then ? [19:25]
ascii_field now you ~can~ do certain things on it. [19:25]
ascii_field such as signing transactions. [19:25]
ascii_field and i'd say more, but it is a little bit off topic... [19:26]
pete_dushenski "Months after winning a national title, Harvard’s debate team has fallen to a group of New York prison inmates." [19:29]
pete_dushenski "Inmates can earn various degrees through the initiative, which is taught primarily by Bard faculty. About 15 per cent of the all-male inmates at the Eastern New York Correctional Facility in Napanoch are enrolled. Graduates of the program have continued their studies at Yale and Columbia universities, Kenner said." [19:30]
pete_dushenski "While in prison, they learn without the help of the Internet, relying instead on resources provided by the college." [19:30]
pete_dushenski but i thought the internet was the classroom of the people of the future of the lala ? [19:30]
pete_dushenski guess not eh. [19:31]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00050365 = 6.4467 BTC [+] [19:31]
pete_dushenski bbias [19:32]
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assbot Only on 10: 800 pound Cranston man needs new home - News, Weather and Classifieds for Southern New England ... ( ) [20:17]
BingoBoingo "I was supposed to stay there and lose all my weight and get down to 550 to get the gastric bypass," said Assanti. "That was their plan." [20:18]
pete_dushenski assbot:pete_dushenski.unrate.menahem:f54a4c063b377b73c4fc8fe436b8c044255bb87005ea81935d4b403cbd0d9220 [20:28]
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assbot Successfully unrated menahem [20:28]
BingoBoingo !rate kyletorpey -10 USG influence agent [20:29]
assbot kyletorpey is not registered in WoT. [20:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00050201 = 8.0824 BTC [-] {3} [20:31]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: who's that? [21:04]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Some derp bouncing between Qntra competitors as they fail. Fully on whitewashing Obese Blocks as actual bitcoin. [21:04]
BingoBoingo He's the one author who sorta escaped CCN with their reputation sorta moo-ocratically intact after the GAW implosion. [21:06]
asciilifeform see, i dealt with this using the 'oak tree' algo [21:06]
asciilifeform thread >> [21:07]
assbot Logged on 07-10-2015 14:02:17; asciilifeform: the oak, on the other hand, can sleep right through it. [21:07]
BingoBoingo Interesting, how does that work? [21:07]
asciilifeform see. [21:07]
BingoBoingo Ah, I see [21:07]
BingoBoingo I'd been trying that and upon seeing his latest derp and pete doing rating decided just to see if a rating could stick [21:07]
mircea_popescu << it does! this dog that read everything back in kindergarten... [21:08]
assbot Logged on 07-10-2015 17:34:55; pete_dushenski: actually, 'alf dog' sounds like a great comic strip idea [21:08]
asciilifeform see, he cost you something. [21:08]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: actually my first thought, reading the log, is that it'd be something like a lathe dog. [21:08]
mircea_popescu running dog of the ba cultists! [21:09]
mircea_popescu thrice cussed. [21:09]
BingoBoingo Now that the Gavin-Hearn heresy died, next heresy up is Gavin-Garazalick or however Agent J's name is spelled. [21:09]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i'm not convinced there is any limit as to how many insects satan could send your way, to waste time and energy swatting. [21:10]
BingoBoingo And the Torpey derp is papering the propaganda path for this outcome well in advance of its public unveiling, hence meriting a neg-rating if he had the balls to exist in the first place. [21:10]
asciilifeform none of these folks will ever make an appearance in anything like honest wot, i suspect [21:11]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo: i'm not convinced there is any limit as to how many insects satan could send your way, to waste time and energy swatting. << I still swat because I never know which mosquito if not swatted would be the one to pass on Falciparum or West Nile Virus [21:11]
asciilifeform srsly why would they?! [21:11]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform if there exists a systematic model for ratings, the wot has failed. you understand this right ? [21:11]
asciilifeform aha [21:12]
mircea_popescu so let the man do whatever. [21:12]
BingoBoingo srsly why would they?! << To make Braunschweigher [21:12]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i can't help but spot ddos vector - in this case, for the mind [21:12]
mircea_popescu yes but let him do his mind. [21:12]
mircea_popescu THIS is a more concerning vector than that. [21:12]
* asciilifeform lets [21:13]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: i can't help but spot ddos vector - in this case, for the mind << This is why I concern myself with such things while "liver training" [21:13]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you know drinking never got anyone anywhere. [21:13]
asciilifeform not so [21:14]
asciilifeform think of eltsin ! [21:14]
asciilifeform and senator mccarthy... [21:14]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo you know drinking never got anyone anywhere. << But it got people to no where [21:14]
mircea_popescu for all alf's hopes that a precise ballmer point of methamphetamine with speedballs might make him visualize valuable novel proofs, [21:14]
mircea_popescu the evidence of record is beyond scant. [21:14]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: consists, afaik, solely of p. erdos [21:14]
* asciilifeform does not think that this is a feat generally duplicable [21:15]
asciilifeform correct use of dope is a talent given to few [21:15]
asciilifeform like violin [21:15]
mircea_popescu erdos also played violin iirc ? [21:15]
mircea_popescu or was it harmonica [21:15]
asciilifeform lise meitner played. [21:15]
asciilifeform the one caveat re: erdos is that he was unusual for being a ~confessed~ dope-maths fella [21:15]
asciilifeform most - are closeted. [21:16]
asciilifeform for a variety of good reasons. [21:16]
asciilifeform what's in a 'speedball' anyway ?? [21:17]
BingoBoingo Erdos also avoided going full dope until his CV supported it. [21:17]
mircea_popescu "NVIDIA® Optimus™ technology intelligently optimizes your notebook PC, providing the outstanding graphics performance you need, when you need it, all the ..." [21:18]
mircea_popescu ahahaha [21:18]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform cocaine/heroin [21:18]
asciilifeform wtf's the point of this [21:18]
mircea_popescu generally a strong upper strong downer cocktail. [21:18]
mircea_popescu what's the point of any of it! [21:19]
asciilifeform seems like all you'd get is the respective side effects... [21:19]
mircea_popescu (but you will notice my meth+speedballs covers the spectrum, which justifies the stylistical choice.) [21:19]
asciilifeform aha [21:19]
* BingoBoingo remembers library school professor talking about Erdos as an example of person who was suited to only survive in university environment, got very butthurt when I asked his Erdos number. Had small college undergrad math profs with 2, 3 respectively. [21:19]
mircea_popescu hahaha no. the brain is more complex than currently modelled. [21:19]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: optimus, is a very special turd where 2d vga chip tries to share a DAC with 3d gpu [21:20]
asciilifeform generally this results in a box where external display jacks are unusable under linux [21:20]
asciilifeform even with closed turd kernel mods [21:20]
BingoBoingo seems like all you'd get is the respective side effects... << Completely different chemical systems. [21:20]
mircea_popescu aha. [21:20]
asciilifeform i've been squinting at <2mm text for ~year now. [21:20]
mircea_popescu this is ridiculous. [21:20]
asciilifeform aha. [21:20]
mircea_popescu you could just unplug the laptop screen, put an extension in, jack it into external. [21:21]
asciilifeform nope. [21:21]
mircea_popescu what, proprietary bs ? [21:21]
asciilifeform like all of them - proprietary lvds cable [21:21]
mircea_popescu sigh [21:21]
asciilifeform every single one ever made. [21:21]
asciilifeform and yes, before anyone bothers to ask, the thing ~has~ to be portable, and yes, has to fit in knapsack [21:22]
BingoBoingo kakobrekla: How does X220 treat you? [21:23]
mircea_popescu how about screen -x ? [21:23]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: doesn't work so well with vm and emulators, which stupidly pump video buffer straight from emulated winblowz [21:23]
mircea_popescu o god. [21:24]
mircea_popescu how do you find these corners. [21:24]
asciilifeform i work with malware. [21:24]
asciilifeform every day. [21:24]
asciilifeform ergo winblowz. [21:24]
BingoBoingo !b 4 [21:24]
mircea_popescu this problem is beyond my magic. [21:24]
mircea_popescu talk ye to the dark wizard that lives atop the tower. [21:24]
asciilifeform that'd be me. [21:25]
asciilifeform dark wizard will need new eyeglasses soon. [21:25]
mircea_popescu glad i could help [21:25]
assbot Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( error ) [21:25]
mircea_popescu hey, get heliomatics :D [21:25]
* BingoBoingo wonders where alf will park his tower [21:25]
asciilifeform it's more of a dungeon than a tower [21:26]
BingoBoingo Ah [21:26]
asciilifeform (what's a dungeon if not a tower with flipped sign bit) [21:26]
BingoBoingo Dungeon now, tower later? [21:26]
mircea_popescu << iran president is mostly a figurehead. [21:26]
assbot Logged on 07-10-2015 21:22:20; pete_dushenski: khamenei's approach, despite being at odds with iran's president, is correct, sane, and hygenic. [21:26]
asciilifeform aha, sorta like president of su [21:26]
mircea_popescu tungeon. [21:26]
asciilifeform (didja know? they had'em) [21:26]
asciilifeform dower. [21:26]
mircea_popescu Lord Ascii Lifeform of the Tungeon Dower. [21:27]
mircea_popescu << i so suspect this is a sort of vw-XT [21:29]
assbot Logged on 07-10-2015 21:27:36; BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: << Software on most VW's come get new catalytic converters and fuel injectors... No piss system it seems... [21:29]
mircea_popescu whereby you get an upgrade that fuck up your car by june or some such [21:29]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Basically turns 2015 awesome diesels into 1980's diesels [21:29]
asciilifeform at the very least it is guaranteed to make the thing worthless [21:29]
asciilifeform (it will still turn its wheels, at least for a while...) [21:30]
mircea_popescu << own my foot. [21:32]
assbot Logged on 07-10-2015 21:44:44; ascii_field: notice how, e.g., france, made own hydrogen bomb. but it is powerless to make own 'pentium.' [21:32]
* BingoBoingo read a review of the 2015 Chevy Colorado diesel midsized truck. Less horsepower than gasoline powered 1997 S-10 compact truck. WOnder if review version waited for VW and emergency flipped the firmware. [21:32]
mircea_popescu "Russia’s shadowing and intercepting of U.S. drones operating over Syria first appeared as a fluke to U.S. officials, but as they continued to happen it became clear that " [21:33]
mircea_popescu the only thing that became clear is that "us officials" are totally unrelated to the events. [21:33]
mircea_popescu da fuck, "fluke" ? [21:34]
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mircea_popescu << too late for that. [21:39]
assbot Logged on 07-10-2015 21:49:41; ascii_field: pete_dushenski: because, to any 'reasonable' person, making french pentium is entirely indistinguishable from taking the entire gold reserve and shooting it into the sun [21:39]
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BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [21:54]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 243.99, vol: 23804.70159337 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 241.95, vol: 7776.30033 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 244.79, vol: 8742.07213702 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 259.5, vol: 1.5 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 248.47108, vol: 18652.40380000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 243.646, vol: 126.64186203 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 244.49175, vol: 55.86867196 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) [21:54]
mircea_popescu man who the fuck was the bright mind that made the camera usb connector not also charge the camera while connected. [21:56]
asciilifeform ahahahahahaha [21:56]
mircea_popescu srsly, i gotta turn it off, extract its battery and charge it ? [21:56]
* asciilifeform has same camera as mircea_popescu [21:56]
asciilifeform and yeah, i have a thing that goes in a mains socket and eats the battery [21:56]
asciilifeform (came with a bag of batteries, too) [21:57]
mircea_popescu it's just... [21:57]
mircea_popescu what school did these people go to. [21:57]
asciilifeform and can also ask who came up with the martian connector on that thing [21:57]
mircea_popescu some microusb thing [21:57]
asciilifeform not on mine [21:57]
asciilifeform it's a trapezoidal chimera [21:57]
mircea_popescu hm [21:58]
BingoBoingo "Establishment Motors introduces an all-wheel-drive crossover with three rows of seating. It features the exact same drivetrain as the Establishment Motors sedan, a car that has gone nearly unchanged since 2012, along with almost-identical exterior and interior styling. As shown, $143,000." << I called it: [21:59]
assbot The Tesla Model X Isn't Revolutionary, It's Iterative ... ( ) [21:59]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: << it [22:00]
assbot ... ( ) [22:00]
mircea_popescu aha [22:00]
mircea_popescu that's not one of the numerous microsubs ? [22:00]
asciilifeform nope. [22:00]
asciilifeform won't find it in any 'chinese bag of all usb heads' [22:01]
mircea_popescu i always just assumed... [22:02]
asciilifeform l0l [22:02]
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* asciilifeform misplaced the martian cable ages ago, pulls out the flash card to read back, yes [22:03]
mircea_popescu i have an embankment of usb sticks with camera cables dangling from them [22:03]
mircea_popescu most of which cables from cameras i long got rid of. [22:03]
mircea_popescu whenever i get a new one i glue it into the bank [22:03]
asciilifeform this works if fortress, yes. [22:04]
mircea_popescu nah, the thing itself is small and packs easily [22:04]
* asciilifeform has similar with debug cables for various boardz [22:04]
asciilifeform as to 'what school did they go to' - the sony school of apple-before-apple, surely. [22:06]
asciilifeform this particular gadget is an astonishing - for that vendor - surrender to the civilized world, in its omission of 'sony memory stick' [22:06]
asciilifeform (an ancient and heavily-proprietary turd which sells for 5x/byte vs 'sd') [22:06]
thestringpuller so bitvps just imploded [22:07]
asciilifeform i picked the thing up because - like a total chump - i saw 'carl zeiss' on the chassis [22:07]
asciilifeform (not yet knowing, then, that the real zeiss was carted off to su and never seen again outside of it) [22:07]
asciilifeform thestringpuller is posting from a time warp ? [22:08]
mircea_popescu again ? [22:09]
BingoBoingo again? [22:09]
asciilifeform << oblig [22:09]
assbot Logged on 29-09-2015 17:48:23; ascii_field: 'the car bomb exploded. the mechanic cursed and pulled on another wire. the car bomb exploded again, with greater violence. windows rattled, dogs barked. 'you definitely have a car bomb, sir, i can tell you that now!' he muttered.' [22:09]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's really not a bad potato, this cam. [22:10]
asciilifeform pretty good potato. [22:10]
asciilifeform (i still have it) [22:10]
mircea_popescu i actually bought it because vorhees' girlfriend (at the time) who iirc was some sort of photosomething or the other picked it out. [22:10]
mircea_popescu turned out pretty good. [22:10]
asciilifeform i usedto have a real camera, sold years ago. [22:10]
thestringpuller doesn't everyone die in the case of a car bomb? [22:10]
mircea_popescu meh, i can't be arsed to carry dslrs [22:10]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: normally... [22:11]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: C41 processing isn't worth it. [22:11]
thestringpuller unless you travel with a C41 machine...i wouldn't put that past you tho [22:11]
mircea_popescu im not that fanatic [22:13]
thestringpuller some are...but my first C-41 batch was my last [22:14]
thestringpuller i don't mind B&W processing it's pretty therapeutic. [22:14]
mircea_popescu what, diy ? poisonous as all shit [22:15]
mircea_popescu afaik it's 100% robotized by now [22:15]
asciilifeform b&w you can process while half asleep [22:15]
thestringpuller ^^- hence bein therapeutic [22:15]
asciilifeform colour is a bitch. [22:15]
thestringpuller cept for the brain damage due to chemical inhalation [22:16]
asciilifeform as a child i played with father's set of glass filters from his colour photo days in su army [22:16]
asciilifeform there was a massive box of'em [22:16]
asciilifeform square, about the size of a man's palm [22:16]
asciilifeform could stand up in carpet and build a kind of house-of-cards [22:16]
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asciilifeform with caveat that, if it fell, there would be broken glass [22:17]
asciilifeform (somehow this made it more interesting) [22:18]
thestringpuller so you made glass filter house of cards as a kid? [22:18]
asciilifeform aha [22:19]
BingoBoingo Oh, look who is bleeding nao [22:25]
assbot Monsanto posts big quarterly loss, to eliminate 2,600 jobs : Business ... ( ) [22:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27830 @ 0.00050146 = 13.9556 BTC [-] [22:26]
mircea_popescu ha [22:26]
BingoBoingo Yet in the other side of the fiat business news [22:28]
assbot ... ( ) [22:28]
asciilifeform << from same fishwrap [22:29]
BingoBoingo And in nuclear news [22:30]
assbot Anxiety rises near Bridgeton Landfill as emergency plans disclosed : Business ... ( ) [22:30]
BingoBoingo Ah asciilifeform Obola cares [22:30]
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asciilifeform << without having to perform any necromancy or wield crystal ball, i can tell you how it will go - precisely like the pharma pain of 1990s-present, where a corp is bought (present-day monsanto shares nothing at all with the monsanto that sold the first LED) - and 'useless eaters' like r&d folk are sacked to pad shareholder pockets [22:36]
assbot Logged on 08-10-2015 01:24:57; BingoBoingo: Oh, look who is bleeding nao [22:36]
asciilifeform the heat from this burning furniture, and pianos, warms a host of lice and mice - patent lawyers, marketronicists, etc [22:36]
asciilifeform and their catamites [22:36]
asciilifeform in uncle al schwart's immortal words, 'you will hear, from behind a wood panelled set of doors, 'call in the lab nigger'; and start working on your cv' [22:38]
BingoBoingo "Some say concern among residents and area officials has heightened since Missouri Attorney General Chris Koster released reports last month that said an underground fire at the landfill was moving toward radioactive waste in the adjacent West Lake Landfill." << Monsanto/Mallinkrodt has impending potential liabilities, potentially unbounded [22:40]
mircea_popescu hey, 20bn, whassat. [22:41]
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BingoBoingo For nao [22:44]
asciilifeform 'usg fines itself 20bn zimbabwellars' nyooz at eleven [22:45]
deedbot- [Qntra] BitVPS Customers Unable To Access Services - [22:47]
mircea_popescu yep [22:47]
mircea_popescu so one thing to like here is the fucking fresia. [22:48]
mircea_popescu they sell it by the pound, practically. i bought myself roughly two kgs, maybe 3-400 stalks, for 10 bux. [22:48]
* mircea_popescu loves fresia [22:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83200 @ 0.00050365 = 41.9037 BTC [+] [22:49]
asciilifeform 03:08 @arij hopefully everyone had backups << win [22:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36020 @ 0.00050146 = 18.0626 BTC [-] [22:52]
deedbot- [Trilema] What was the Lomax? Any why was it there? And who could have lifted it to take it somewhere ? - [22:53]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Same rag, hardest core panty thief in history [22:54]
assbot Underwear thief nabbed after fiery crash at Lemay used car lot, police say : News ... ( ) [22:54]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'incienso, ...., sandalo hierbas especificas que dejaran tu hogar libre de malas ondas!!' << mega-win! [22:57]
asciilifeform '... incense, will leave your home free of evil waves' [22:57]
BingoBoingo "The next time the suspect was spotted was in the 9900 block of South Broadway, when his car flipped and struck several cars on the lot at Quality Car Care. Five of the cars in the used car lot were badly damaged." << Seriously all this to steal a few panties [22:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49820 @ 0.00050373 = 25.0958 BTC [+] {5} [23:03]
BingoBoingo ;;later tell moonpunter so... WTF are your doing? [23:09]
gribble The operation succeeded. [23:09]
asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu re: chukcha: canonical: << scroll to pics [23:10]
gribble The operation succeeded. [23:10]
assbot ... ( ) [23:10]
asciilifeform 1st - 'sound card' [23:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52514 @ 0.00050146 = 26.3337 BTC [-] [23:11]
asciilifeform #2 'macbook air' [23:11]
asciilifeform #3 - 'iphon' [23:11]
asciilifeform ('айфон') [23:12]
asciilifeform #8 - 'open source' [23:13]
asciilifeform #12 ' user interface' [23:14]
asciilifeform #14 ' worldwide web' [23:15]
asciilifeform #22 - 'trojan' [23:16]
asciilifeform #24 - 'spam' [23:16]
asciilifeform lastly, #30 - linux. [23:16]
asciilifeform the rest - exercise for ze reader. [23:17]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10349 @ 0.00050146 = 5.1896 BTC [-] [23:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28518 @ 0.00050032 = 14.2681 BTC [-] {2} [23:27]
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BingoBoingo Lopp Mofo keeps shilling [23:31]
assbot statoshi comments on Any recommendations on how to reduce bitcoind memory usage? ... ( ) [23:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56700 @ 0.00050378 = 28.5643 BTC [+] [23:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50850 @ 0.00049928 = 25.3884 BTC [-] {4} [23:39]
BingoBoingo Baseball, the best combat sport [23:45]
assbot Cubs, Pirates empty benches in Wild Card Game | ... ( ) [23:45]
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BingoBoingo !up contrapumpkin [23:57]
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contrapumpkin :) [23:57]
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