Forum logs for 07 Oct 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

sgornick	Hey cazalla and/or BingoBoing, ... check PM for message re: @Qntra twitter - http://Twitter.com/Qntra	[00:02]
assbot	Qntra (@qntra) \| Twitter	[00:02]
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mircea_popescu	dignork yeah in that you have a point	[00:04]
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mircea_popescu	still the major problem will be that while on average say it's an ideal market, 0% bias, that average has a poisson distribution of maybe 15% each way, so any individual buyer could see a price fuzziness as close to 30% as his luck gets.	[00:04]
mircea_popescu	ie, want to sell for 20, sell anywhere between 17 and 23.	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	yeah, that'd stop realtime anything <<< realtime and trust don't mix. the fundamental is this old thing from coinpal : http://trilema.com/2012/adnotated-words-of-wisdom-on-the-topic-of-online-fraud/	[00:07]
assbot	Adnotated words of wisdom on the topic of online fraud pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	;;messages cazalla	[00:08]
gribble	Error: "messages" is not a valid command.	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	;;notice cazalla	[00:08]
gribble	Error: You don't have the reply.notice capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	lol wtf was it	[00:08]
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mike_c	;;notes cazalla	[00:08]
gribble	Sent 7 minutes ago: Re: Qntra.net, I registered @Qntra on Twitter before some griefer /squatter did. Then put a Twitterfeed to push tweets from the RSS feed. When you want the twitter acct, let me know what e-mail to assign it to. It can't be an e-mail already used for any other twitter account.	[00:08]
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mircea_popescu	TomServo> Holy shit this 'seamonster' "crash analysis podcast" is a train wreck. << but that's what you were there for right ?	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	also "At least 8 GB of RAM." << that sounds like five ddoses waiting to happen...	[00:10]
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mircea_popescu	!up junkie	[00:11]
-assbot-	You voiced junkie for 30 minutes.	[00:11]
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mircea_popescu	;;later tell sgornick nice of you eh.	[00:11]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[00:11]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1325 @ 0.000589 = 0.7804 BTC [+]	[00:27]
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mircea_popescu	;;seen psterryl	[00:41]
gribble	psterryl was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 26 weeks, 2 days, 23 hours, 27 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: how many individual trades there were	[00:41]
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penguirker	New blog post: https://www.bcoinnews.com/receiver-for-bflabs/	[00:44]
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mircea_popescu	"According to the report, a work for successfully enforcing the schooling has been dynamically pushed forward as the one involving the whole state, all people and the whole society and signal successes have been made in it."	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	i guess ex-drpk bureaucrats can probably find job writing forum prospectuses.	[00:50]
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mike_c	;;seen wyrdmantis	[00:55]
gribble	wyrdmantis was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 3 days, 11 hours, 54 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: Alibaba IPO? Totally unrelated to this downmove?	[00:55]
mike_c	;;isitdown bcoinnews.com	[00:57]
gribble	bcoinnews.com is up	[00:57]
mike_c	not for me gribble.	[00:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17120 @ 0.00074556 = 12.764 BTC [+]	[00:59]
kakobrekla	!s bitlendingclub	[01:01]
assbot	0 results for 'bitlendingclub' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bitlendingclub	[01:01]
kakobrekla	400% apr https://bitlendingclub.com hehe	[01:01]
assbot	BitLendingClub: Peer to Peer Bitcoin Lending Platform	[01:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19250 @ 0.00074298 = 14.3024 BTC [-] {3}	[01:06]
xanthyos	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dAHGvmT6v8	[01:07]
assbot	Earth Time Lapse, International Space Station, ISS, Fly Over, ORBIT HD - YouTube	[01:07]
punkman	http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-Rare-Apple-iPhone-6-Prototype-64gb-/171483815097	[01:17]
assbot	Brand New RARE Apple iPhone 6 Prototype 64GB \| eBay	[01:17]
punkman	;;calc 100000 / [tlast]	[01:18]
gribble	301.8503426	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 1000000 / [twontlast]	[01:18]
gribble	Error: "twontlast" is not a valid command.	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	it's not as much a command as a scrying :D	[01:19]
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ben_vulpes	;;tlast	[01:24]
gribble	331.38	[01:24]
ben_vulpes	ah.	[01:24]
ben_vulpes	;;bcstats	[01:24]
gribble	Current Blocks: 324180 \| Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 \| Next Difficulty In: 395 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 12 hours, 22 minutes, and 55 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 35337713013.2 \| Estimated Percent Change: 1.95112	[01:24]
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mircea_popescu	!up tomding	[01:29]
-assbot-	You voiced tomding for 30 minutes.	[01:29]
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punkman	here have some weird https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAoME_aMm1w	[01:35]
assbot	T.O.P - DOOM DADA M/V - YouTube	[01:35]
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thickasthieves	or writing prospectii for Pat Byrne http://www.wired.com/2014/10/overstock-com-assembles-coders-build-bitcoin-like-stock-market/	[01:42]
assbot	Overstock.com Assembles Coders to Create a Bitcoin-Like Stock Market \| WIRED	[01:42]
thickasthieves	"After Overstock builds its cryptosecurity software—which will likely take several months—Byrne intends to present the system to regulators for approval. But this may be difficult to win, because the SEC and the incumbent banks are so set in their ways."	[01:43]
punkman	lol	[01:43]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[01:43]
mircea_popescu	lettuce never learn from the mistakes of asicminer. lettuce forever be speshul and cover the same wrong turns.	[01:44]
thickasthieves	ftr i was never offered the position :)	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/the-analysis-of-a-failure-asicminer/ for absolutely no reason.	[01:44]
assbot	The analysis of a failure : Asicminer pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[01:44]
thickasthieves	AM is selling $0.33/GH now, i wonder if thatmeans theyll pay divs again	[01:46]
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thickasthieves	;;estimate	[01:47]
gribble	Next difficulty estimate \| 35371817081.7 based on data since last change \| 39333332992.6 based on data for last three days	[01:47]
thickasthieves	lol was 37 yesterday	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	yea prolly gonna bust that 41 or 43 or w/e the bet was	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	;;bc,stats	[01:48]
gribble	Current Blocks: 324182 \| Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 \| Next Difficulty In: 393 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 12 hours, 4 minutes, and 35 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 35371817081.7 \| Estimated Percent Change: 2.04952	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	it went up a whole .1% in twenty minutes, that estimation.	[01:48]
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mircea_popescu	fucking arsonists these people.	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	2nd fire in my building in like a month or so	[02:20]
TheNewDeal	grease fire?	[02:21]
thickasthieves	argentinians are pretty greasy	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	nah this smells like paper	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	i guess must be a dyi divorce gone bad or something	[02:21]
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BingoBoingo	!b 6	[02:23]
assbot	Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1VAT8RZ.txt )	[02:23]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.NSA] 5000 @ 0.00012 = 0.6 BTC	[02:24]
BingoBoingo	qntra traffic thus far, I'll get on cazalla to set up quantcast when he's back: http://i.imgur.com/HaGe47Y.png	[02:26]
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mircea_popescu	speaking of which, "The term "palimony" is not a legal or historical term, but rather a colloquial portmanteau of the words pal and alimony coined by celebrity divorce attorney Marvin Mitchelson in 1977 when his client Michelle Triola Marvin filed an unsuccessful suit against the actor Lee Marvin."	[02:33]
mircea_popescu	seems it'd have been better called marvinomy	[02:33]
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penguirker	New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/rockminer-r4-devices-seized-at-customs-one-person-detained/	[02:51]
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TheNewDeal	;;trust penguirker	[02:59]
gribble	Error: "trust" is not a valid command.	[02:59]
TheNewDeal	;;gettrust penguirker	[02:59]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user TheNewDeal to user penguirker: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=TheNewDeal&dest=penguirker \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=penguirker \| Rated since: never	[02:59]
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BingoBoingo	Animals in captivity: http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/10/06/1837237/lennart-poettering-open-source-community-quite-a-sick-place-to-be-in	[03:11]
assbot	Lennart Poettering: Open Source Community "Quite a Sick Place To Be In" - Slashdot	[03:11]
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BingoBoingo	Poettering on Linus: "But more importantly, I'd actually put some blame on a certain circle of folks that play a major role in kernel development, and first and foremost Linus Torvalds himself. By many he is a considered a role model, but he is quite a bad one. If he posts words like "[specific folks] ...should be retroactively aborted. Who the f*ck does idiotic things like that?"	[03:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6953 @ 0.00074155 = 5.156 BTC [-]	[03:16]
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mod6	this qntra.net is p cool. looks good in lynx too.	[03:29]
dub	not sure about the pink	[03:29]
asciilifeform	'people started collecting Bitcoins to hire a hitman for me' << lulz	[03:30]
BingoBoingo	mod6: Thanks. I'll make sure cazalla sees the praise.	[03:31]
midnightmagic	Linus is a drunk, I don't know why anybody expects anything different from him.	[03:33]
BingoBoingo	midnightmagic: What's wrong with being a drunk? ALso his attidtude gets results.	[03:33]
mod6	BingoBoingo: werd	[03:34]
BingoBoingo	dub: What's pink?	[03:34]
midnightmagic	I don't really care much about his attitude. But his brain is malfunctioning because he is drunk all the time.	[03:36]
midnightmagic	Also his drinking gets in the way of being a functional human.	[03:36]
asciilifeform	herr poettering is quite close to destroying linux as a going concern, imho.	[03:38]
asciilifeform	interesting that one usg mole could achieve this.	[03:38]
BingoBoingo	What is this shit? Did Hemmingway's drinking get in the way? Did Hunter S. Thompson's drinking get in the way? Maybe drinking is what keeps Linus effective in the face of Poetterings?	[03:38]
asciilifeform	a very curious 'effective'	[03:39]
midnightmagic	Other people being able to handle, or not, their drinking has nothing to do with whether Linus can.	[03:40]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Well, Red Hat gave him the platform. Fedora has close ties with Gnome... Basically one mole and a turdware vendor set up dominoes.	[03:40]
BingoBoingo	midnightmagic: But where is the evidence Linus can't	[03:41]
midnightmagic	BingoBoingo: You mean aside from every major talk he's given in the last X years in front of an audience and bragged about how he got blotto'd the night before?	[03:42]
BingoBoingo	midnightmagic: That isn't ineffective. That's efficiency. Cramming as much living as possible into his time.	[03:42]
midnightmagic	Or do you mean aside from the steep decline in cognition in the last decade or so?	[03:43]
midnightmagic	Drinking until you can't remember is not "living." It is "dying."	[03:43]
BingoBoingo	If you get the success to get a big old role of drink tickets with your invite to speak at an event not using the decreases your compensation. Also drinking to forget clears crud out of the brain.	[03:44]
midnightmagic	I suppose that's so if you think your own body has no value.	[03:45]
BingoBoingo	midnightmagic: My body is a temple. Maybe it is some rural tribal arrangement made of straw held together with Giraffe shit, but god damn it, it is still a temple!	[03:46]
midnightmagic	:)	[03:46]
midnightmagic	<3 giraffes	[03:46]
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midnightmagic	You'll have to let me know what trick is required to target the crud and not the good stuff. I would personally like to drink more quebecois beer..	[03:47]
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BingoBoingo	If you burn out your body with hard living at 67, maybe you only lose one year at the end to convalescing. If you treat it like some nerd's transformer doll in the packaging and live to 90, that's 2-3 decades of convalescing.	[03:48]
BingoBoingo	midnightmagic> You'll have to let me know what trick is required to target the crud and not the good stuff. I would personally like to drink more quebecois beer.. << Practice. Also hard liquor.	[03:48]
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ben_vulpes	BingoBoingo: there are some surprisingly fit and able 60 year-old men out there.	[04:07]
BingoBoingo	Sure	[04:07]
penguirker	New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/10/06/5-days-of-qntra/	[04:09]
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mike_c	any insight into where qntra traffic is coming from?	[04:21]
BingoBoingo	mike_c: Incoming links mostly it seems. People tend to be reading multiple things per day	[04:22]
TomServo	mircea_popescu: but that's what you were there for right ? << Indeed, but still... wow. I was ill prepared.	[04:25]
mike_c	i am an early fan. needs more pics of casascius coins though.	[04:27]
BingoBoingo	mike_c: At some point someone is probably going to post an image	[04:27]
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decimation	re: lennart << anyone who has done anything that deals with a relatively unfiltered mass public knows how derpy and stupid the masses are. why should 'open source' be an exception?	[04:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18950 @ 0.00074155 = 14.0524 BTC [-]	[04:47]
decimation	actually this is related to lennart's whining: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup/	[04:50]
assbot	I Can Tolerate Anything Except The Outgroup \| Slate Star Codex	[04:50]
decimation	it's pretty much a crypto-rehash of moldbug's red/blue distinction but written to appeal to liberals	[04:51]
decimation	anyway it is related to lennart because he complains about how much vitriol he faces - he is definitely part of an 'outgroup' - people who share many similarities except they differ strongly over specific beliefs	[04:52]
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[]bot	Bet placed: 2.00999999 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to rise above $600 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1055/ Odds: 22(Y):78(N) by coin, 22(Y):78(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.231 BTC. Current weight: 98,918.	[05:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00074153 = 10.3814 BTC [-] {2}	[05:08]
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penguirker	New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/gavin-andressen-proposes-scalability-roadmap-and-hardfork/	[05:16]
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mircea_popescu	Animals in captivity: http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/10/06/1837237/lennart-poettering-open-source-community-quite-a-sick-place-to-be-in <<< right, why is not the world more like microshit.	[05:24]
assbot	Lennart Poettering: Open Source Community "Quite a Sick Place To Be In" - Slashdot	[05:24]
mircea_popescu	;;rate lennart_poettering -1 should have been aborted.	[05:25]
gribble	Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	o wow	[05:25]
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BingoBoingo	gribble blinked earlier	[05:25]
asciilifeform	never too late to abort a fella.	[05:25]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo btw is linus on freenode ?	[05:25]
BingoBoingo	Probably?	[05:26]
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mircea_popescu	this qntra.net is p cool. looks good in lynx too. << it does! not sure about the pink << that's because of all the gay.	[05:26]
danielpbarron	BingoBoingo, i think it's andresen (with one 's')	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	midnightmagic> Linus is a drunk, I don't know why anybody expects anything different from him. << linus actually has a point.	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	it's all the idiotic faggoty dumbasses with "women's issues" and "being polite" and inane crap like that that are the problem,	[05:27]
mircea_popescu	and roughly speaking the reason the world stinks.	[05:27]
mircea_popescu	herr poettering is quite close to destroying linux as a going concern, imho. << no. what he is close to is destroying the notion of "updates" as a going concern. which is a fucking brilliant thing, they should have died ten years ago.	[05:28]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: before you freeze something, first have to make sure it isn't a turd. (unless stool sample...)	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	apparently ##Linux which is fucking weird. i thought linus owned the term linux	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform orly ? is this how the two hotties i had sundaes with earlier were made ?	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	tell you what. do your best, freeze it, see if it survives or dies.	[05:30]
mircea_popescu	that's the model. that's the model that made video gaming a thing, where there was previously no thing.	[05:30]
*	asciilifeform is not advocating update cycle, believes that anything worth calling 'os' is worth burning in mask ROM	[05:31]
asciilifeform	but burning any extant linux into mask rom - is recipe for tears.	[05:31]
mircea_popescu	so ?	[05:31]
mircea_popescu	tears make the best lube	[05:31]
mircea_popescu	after blood, at any rate.	[05:31]
mircea_popescu	tear avoidance is not a strategy for orgasm finding.	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	in other news, i got a spam comment from "Discount True Religion Canada Online". which seems just about right.	[05:33]
*	asciilifeform is currently fighting with 'grub2' and desperately wants to see blood	[05:33]
asciilifeform	their blood.	[05:33]
decimation	asciilifeform: I would like someone from 'grub' to explain in what what 'grub2' was an improvement	[05:33]
decimation	it's an order of magnitude more complex to manage for trival benefits	[05:33]
mircea_popescu	what what in the butt!	[05:33]
asciilifeform	decimation: ask poettering.	[05:33]
decimation	is he behind that too?	[05:33]
asciilifeform	not afaik	[05:34]
BingoBoingo	;;googl what what in the butt song	[05:34]
gribble	Error: "googl" is not a valid command.	[05:34]
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asciilifeform	but he could explain why everything needs to be 'updated' and 'reinvented111!1' until end of time	[05:34]
BingoBoingo	;;google what what in the butt song	[05:34]
gribble	Samwell - "What What (In the Butt)" - YouTube: ; What What (In the Butt) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; What, What In the Butt - Video Clip \| South Park Studios:	[05:34]
thestringpuller	south park did it better	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	any insight into where qntra traffic is coming from? << cazalla ran off with a lass, but he'll be back midweek, ima push him to put quantcast in there, then you can see directly.	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	i am an early fan. needs more pics of casascius coins though. << this is a point. topical, related, meaningful pics are a good add.	[05:35]
dub	inb4 sharpies	[05:36]
mircea_popescu	you know you seem oddly fascinated with that part	[05:36]
asciilifeform	and who the fuck decided that a perfectly good 'eth0' should turn into 'enp0s29u1u1' ?	[05:37]
asciilifeform	at that point i don't even care what the reasoning was. i don't care if it saved a thousand orphans from a fiery death.	[05:37]
BingoBoingo	!b 4	[05:37]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform what is this ?!	[05:37]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: a recent gentoo	[05:38]
mircea_popescu	i live a very sheltered life it seems.	[05:38]
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decimation	asciilifeform: well, basically the issue is that no one who wrote the original linux network subsystem apparently never conceived of how to enumerate devices	[05:39]
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dub	are you ragin at grub or 'hotplug' or whatever it is	[05:39]
decimation	that-and - lots of hardware makers suck at actually making hardware, and their customers demand a software fix	[05:39]
asciilifeform	decimation: i don't give a damn - it was sane before, and is turd-encrusted now in 100 ways	[05:39]
mircea_popescu	decimation isn't that what the 0 is for ?	[05:39]
decimation	one specific instance I know of - dell reversed the '1 and 2' ethernet ports in the bios	[05:40]
asciilifeform	decimation: so these should be collected and burned.	[05:40]
mircea_popescu	or flashed	[05:40]
asciilifeform	why should my reasonable box suffer?	[05:40]
mircea_popescu	which i guess is burning	[05:40]
decimation	asciilifeform: indeed.	[05:40]
decimation	but the masses instead demand a kernel change	[05:40]
asciilifeform	kernel demands a masses change.	[05:40]
BingoBoingo	At this rate we'll probably see Stanix before Loper	[05:41]
decimation	linux would be 10x the disaster it already is today if linus wasn't in charge	[05:41]
BingoBoingo	That is true	[05:41]
mircea_popescu	quite.	[05:43]
decimation	but I agree that the ethernet enumeration is crazy	[05:44]
decimation	but I also submit it's because the underlying hardware world is crazy	[05:44]
mircea_popescu	"Tolerance is definitely considered a virtue, but it suffers the same sort of dimished expectations forgiveness does."	[05:44]
mircea_popescu	foir the record that piece quoted earlier is incredibly braindamaged.	[05:44]
decimation	heh I thought of your post on forgiveness	[05:44]
decimation	the guy who wrote is obviously fascinated with reactionary thought but is also a liberal jew	[05:45]
mircea_popescu	the guy in charge is roughly in the position of poettering	[05:45]
mircea_popescu	"how to pretend like i'm doing something really important by doing something really really complex, that happens to also be very stupid"	[05:46]
decimation	The most interesting thing about it is the comment section, where Brandon Eich chimed in	[05:46]
mircea_popescu	i have no idea who that is.	[05:46]
decimation	he's the guy that was fired from mozilla for giving money to some anti-gay-marriage group	[05:46]
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mircea_popescu	"Northern Irish Protestants and Northern Irish Catholics. Hutus and Tutsis" perhaps the most ignorant piece of drivel ion there. im counting it as two strikes in one at any rate.	[05:47]
mircea_popescu	for the clueless in the audience : the tutsis and the hutus are not different in any way, except the belgian missionarries picked the better looking adolescent boys/girls to "educate" ie, sex up	[05:47]
mircea_popescu	and then held them apart for the rest of the population.	[05:48]
decimation	I think that this guy hangs out with the lesswrong crowd too	[05:48]
mircea_popescu	this has exactly fucking nothing with the policies of religion and collaborationism witrh the invader in ireland.	[05:48]
mircea_popescu	anyway, i keep hoping maybe one days one of these libertards with unwarranted delusions of awareness comes by to peddle his stock of derpage.	[05:50]
mircea_popescu	it'll be a fun day.	[05:50]
mircea_popescu	http://lkml.iu.edu//hypermail/linux/kernel/1407.3/00650.html << this was a pretty good read.	[05:51]
assbot	Linux-Kernel Archive: Re: Random panic in load_balance() with 3.16-rc	[05:51]
thestringpuller	"don't press the panic button unless it is actual emergency"	[05:51]
decimation	what I find amusing is that the lefties don't get that they are in a relgious war because they don't even realize that what they are derping about is metaphysics	[05:52]
xanthyos	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HlplfG5Ezk	[05:52]
assbot	Shatner on Mountain Climbing - YouTube	[05:52]
mircea_popescu	that slashdot is instructive too. "by SuricouRaven (1897204) on Sunday July 27, 2014 @03:33PM (#47544763) His manner is coarse, but you must admit that he's gotten the job done. Linux advances on schedule, patches get incorporated, code gets tested, and all proceeds smoothly." "by Concerned Onlooker (473481) on Sunday July 27, 2014 @03:45PM (#47544841) Homepage Journal And Mussolini made the trains run on time?"	[05:53]
decimation	Deep in the comments: "Friend of mine was a mid level product manager on Firefox. What she told me is that Eich’s dismissal was entirely due to politics. Specifically, Mozilla is this interesting hybrid organization that relies on it’s global open source community in order to Get Stuff Done, and they couldn’t risk alienating all the volunteers and contributors who make Mozilla possible."	[05:53]
mircea_popescu	this is exactly the fucking problem. libtards don't want to live in a country that works, they want to live in a country run by obama.	[05:53]
decimation	(on the topic of why Eich was fired)	[05:53]
mircea_popescu	and the problem is, not enough heads on pikes around the lord's castle.	[05:53]
The20YearIRCloud	joy	[05:53]
mircea_popescu	if i ran a country i'd give linus the right to pass death sentences, and sent the secret service to execute them.	[05:53]
mircea_popescu	best code in the universe.	[05:54]
The20YearIRCloud	linus?	[05:54]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[05:54]
decimation	yeah that would be a pretty good way of doing business	[05:54]
mircea_popescu	im curious how many it'd come to, in a decade.	[05:55]
mircea_popescu	"("Getting the job done" does not, and has never required being abusive to others. Getting the job done while being abusive is not proof that being abusive is required or even was part of, "getting the job done.")"	[05:57]
mircea_popescu	all the idiotic bullshit the left keeps spouting.	[05:57]
mircea_popescu	the only conceivable cure is liberal beatings.	[05:57]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00074329 = 4.98 BTC [+]	[06:02]
The20YearIRCloud	i figure it'll all come around eventually and they'll figure out what's going on	[06:03]
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mircea_popescu	yeah. except with liberal beatings it's come about tomorrow.	[06:04]
mircea_popescu	AND there'd be fewer people around.	[06:04]
mircea_popescu	the absolute win-win scenario.	[06:04]
The20YearIRCloud	if it'd be legal	[06:05]
decimation	as I recall Mr. Yarvin quoted Lord Cromer as saying that he reckoned he could effectively rule egypt if he could publicly hang one egyptian of his choosing per year	[06:05]
The20YearIRCloud	my only kind of happiness comes in the liberal douches going through really bad parts of town with 'oppressed people' to only find out the 'oppressed' hate them and steal/rob/rape	[06:06]
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The20YearIRCloud	Not that I wish evil in liberals (They're people too), but their mindset sponsors alot of really awful things	[06:06]
mircea_popescu	i guess since legal matters so much all planes sohuld be equipped with a congressman the way old ships were equipped with a priest	[06:06]
mircea_popescu	if the worst comes to worst, he can just make whatever disaster illegal temporarily.	[06:06]
The20YearIRCloud	lol	[06:07]
thestringpuller	bad parts of town are dope though	[06:07]
thestringpuller	especially when you find 2-3 hard working hood rats.	[06:07]
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The20YearIRCloud	I'm sure they're there, the problem i have is that those places are such cesspools because of liberal ideology	[06:08]
The20YearIRCloud	My county is 80%+ right-wing, and we don't have those kinds of places	[06:08]
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mircea_popescu	i dunno, i'm kinda zone blind, i tend to have more fun in the "bad" parts of town	[06:10]
The20YearIRCloud	our 'bad parts' (of columbus) have crime rates 60-100 times higher than those areas outside of them	[06:11]
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decimation	"For example, to run Egypt - a country of 10 million people, then - Cromer had about 1000 British civil servants. If you count all the Western diplomats, development experts, NGOistas, and the like, for whom the present parlous state of Egypt provides employment, how many do you get? A lot more than 1 per 10,000 Egyptians, I suspect. How many Westerners are employed in bandaging and rebandaging the permanent ulcer of Africa? Um, a	[06:13]
decimation	lot."	[06:13]
decimation	http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2009/08/from-cromer-to-romer-and-back-again.html	[06:13]
assbot	Unqualified Reservations: From Cromer to Romer and back again: colonialism for the 21st century	[06:13]
The20YearIRCloud	Where did the other 72 million people in egypt go?	[06:14]
decimation	he ruled egypt at the turn of the last century	[06:15]
The20YearIRCloud	ah	[06:15]
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decimation	and so there you go - how would 10,000 poetterings continue to "code" if linus could execute them?	[06:15]
mircea_popescu	decimation the comparison is really unfair. the 1000 people had penicillin. today's africans have the internet.	[06:24]
asciilifeform	all planes sohuld be equipped with a congressman << lol, korean air lines 007.	[06:25]
mircea_popescu	and the point isn't to execute 10k derps. to make such a claim is to bestow qualities upon them they never have nor will ever have.	[06:25]
mircea_popescu	the point is to execute one, to give the remaining 9999 some good role models for their life, and the limits and structure they desperately need.	[06:25]
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decimation	that's what I was about to write :)	[06:26]
decimation	hang one, educate 1000	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	every derp derping on "social media" about the libtard themes is really a very badly brought up preteen crying for help.	[06:26]
thestringpuller	The20YearIRCloud: those places are such cesspools because of liberal ideology << some of them are created through the antithesis of that. like the remnants of slavery/apartheid/segregation etc.	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	so, you know, free all the 13 yos trapped in 28 yo bodies.	[06:27]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller the problem is that "the remants of slavery/apartheid/segregation etc." === "liberal ideology"	[06:27]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: two sides of the same coin?	[06:28]
mircea_popescu	pretty much the same side imo.	[06:28]
thestringpuller	welfare and segregation spawn from the same ideology? that seems reasonable tho.	[06:28]
mircea_popescu	perhaps im missing the subtleties.	[06:28]
thestringpuller	as they both affect the same socioeconomic groups for some reason...	[06:29]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller the shameful secret at the root of all liberal ideology is the plain notion that "those niggers" are not really people, and so must be treated differently from people.	[06:29]
mircea_popescu	specifically, must be treated like animals.	[06:29]
mircea_popescu	if you compare how you treat your pets and how the average liberal intends to treat "those people" you get a scary identity.	[06:29]
thestringpuller	!b 3	[06:29]
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thestringpuller	wise words	[06:29]
mircea_popescu	and it's nothing short of insulting, not just to "those people" in quuestion, but to people everywhere.	[06:30]
thestringpuller	it's like the hobo problem in south park	[06:30]
mircea_popescu	which is the gist of stuff like http://trilema.com/2013/fried-chicken/	[06:30]
assbot	Fried chicken pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[06:30]
thestringpuller	you give them a litle change, and they'll just ask for more	[06:30]
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thestringpuller	Good 'ol Rhonda.	[06:31]
mircea_popescu	well, kinda worse than that. you don't give them a little change, you insist and repeat that they gotta get a little change.	[06:32]
thestringpuller	You make fun of an Italian eating pasta no one really cares.	[06:32]
thestringpuller	You point out negro's like fried chicken and it's racist. Hmmm...the plot thickens.	[06:32]
mircea_popescu	yeah. because italians may be people. like, individuals. so you make fun of that italian.	[06:32]
mircea_popescu	but black people don't have that. they have no souls, in the libertard's view.	[06:33]
mircea_popescu	so you can't make fun of the one guy, the one guy doesn't exist.	[06:33]
mircea_popescu	you only can make fun of the whole group.	[06:33]
mircea_popescu	it's really disgusting, being a liberal.	[06:33]
thestringpuller	I blame the hippies.	[06:34]
thestringpuller	But that's just me.	[06:34]
mircea_popescu	i dun blame anyone. i'm more into hangings than into blamings.	[06:34]
thestringpuller	Ironically all the hippies from days of old are either dead or wearing suits these days.	[06:35]
thestringpuller	They shed their libertard skin it seems and a new generation of derps picked it up.	[06:35]
mircea_popescu	well like the saying goes, you can't stay socialist for long, it's the ideology of stupid.	[06:36]
thestringpuller	it makes everyone feel good, and that they are doing the right thing though.	[06:36]
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thestringpuller	that was enlightening tho. i now can view socialism from a different light. ty mircea_popescu	[06:38]
BingoBoingo	http://gawker.com/reddit-ceo-shames-ex-reddit-staffer-on-reddit-you-wer-1642998030	[06:39]
assbot	Reddit CEO Shames Ex-Reddit Staffer on Reddit: "You Were Fired"	[06:39]
BingoBoingo	!up WolfGoethe	[06:39]
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WolfGoethe	Hi all, had some awesome conversation here before. Missed it	[06:40]
BingoBoingo	Hi WolfGoethe	[06:40]
BingoBoingo	!s WolfGoethe	[06:40]
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WolfGoethe	my nick then was Ghaleon	[06:40]
BingoBoingo	!s Ghaleon	[06:40]
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BingoBoingo	ty	[06:41]
WolfGoethe	What is the most vital thing we must focus on now as a community ?	[06:41]
TheNewDeal	nihilism?	[06:41]
BingoBoingo	Manuls?	[06:41]
asciilifeform	manuls - out; colocolos - in ?	[06:42]
decimation	"as a community"?	[06:42]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Maybe hybridizing the two?	[06:43]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: result - cat thicker than he is long ?	[06:43]
BingoBoingo	Of course, also better immune systems than manuls typically have.	[06:43]
BingoBoingo	http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Streets-of-San-Francisco-drenched-in-urine-4658210.php	[06:44]
assbot	Streets of San Francisco drenched in urine - SFGate	[06:44]
WolfGoethe	we need to "close the circle" like the 13 colonies did. need a 20 year plan at least	[06:46]
BingoBoingo	WolfGoethe: Well doubling the blocksize every year for two decades is probably a problematic plan	[06:47]
asciilifeform	http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames << re: earlier crapolade	[06:48]
assbot	PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames	[06:48]
WolfGoethe	how bout we just start thinking ahead first	[06:48]
decimation	asciilifeform: I should have known that lennart was behind that	[06:48]
mats_cd03	don't tell me what to do	[06:48]
mats_cd03	ur not my real dad	[06:49]
asciilifeform	decimation: i think it's in stock udev though	[06:50]
asciilifeform	decimation: so not even herr poettering's idea.	[06:50]
decimation	this seems like a nonsolution to a non problem	[06:50]
asciilifeform	it all sums to this. yes, i get it, you (for some value of 'you') like to pull your network cards out every morning, and cry when your 'eth0' ends up 'eth2' etc.	[06:51]
asciilifeform	and so that you don't cry, normal people have to bleed.	[06:51]
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decimation	well except the kernel exposes that stuff in /proc or whatever	[06:51]
WolfGoethe	Why do you all think the price is so low?	[06:51]
asciilifeform	this is the basic 'ephialtes' logic of the retardation in question.	[06:51]
decimation	ephialtes?	[06:52]
asciilifeform	'i'm a hunchback, everybody should be a hunchback'	[06:52]
decimation	heh	[06:52]
asciilifeform	as pictured in the film '300'.	[06:52]
asciilifeform	!s ephialtes	[06:52]
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asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akLzeBE7QR0	[06:54]
assbot	300 Leonidas And Ephialtes Blu-ray - YouTube	[06:54]
mircea_popescu	!up WolfGoethe	[06:54]
-assbot-	You voiced WolfGoethe for another 30 minutes.	[06:54]
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WolfGoethe	Hi Mircea	[06:54]
mircea_popescu	ello	[06:54]
decimation	in that slatestarcodex post, nyrwracu calls this the 'law of Jante'	[06:55]
WolfGoethe	I have been discussing with many folks why the price is tanking. it seems quite natural considering that btc is more of an asset than a currency... merchants are covnerting right to fiat and thus putting sell pressure on the exchanges	[06:55]
mircea_popescu	"as a community"? << yeah seriously. lettuce focus as electromagnetic radiation instead.	[06:55]
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decimation	!s jante law	[06:55]
assbot	4 results for 'jante law' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=jante+law	[06:55]
mircea_popescu	WolfGoethe suppose you read the logs for the past few days and/or http://trilema.com/2014/the-usg-wasted-another-hundred-million-dollars-it-previously-stole-from-average-hard-working-us-citizens-nobody-cares/	[06:55]
assbot	The USG wasted another hundred million dollars it previously stole from average, hard working US citizens. Nobody cares. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[06:55]
decimation	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante	[06:56]
assbot	Law of Jante - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[06:56]
WolfGoethe	yes, saw your blog	[06:57]
WolfGoethe	they shall continue to tax the people with inflation thru the control of the volume of funds	[06:57]
WolfGoethe	my concern is how do we evolve bitcoin	[06:57]
mircea_popescu	so then. the price tanked temporarily because the usg tried, and failed, to kill it.	[06:57]
mircea_popescu	and we don't anything.	[06:57]
WolfGoethe	we need to close the circle	[06:57]
mircea_popescu	you're not even in the wot.	[06:58]
TheNewDeal	...crickets...	[06:58]
WolfGoethe	in the wot?	[06:59]
decimation	I suspect by "evolve bitcon" you mean "increase the usd price"	[06:59]
mircea_popescu	hence the invitaiton to read a lot more.	[06:59]
WolfGoethe	the usd price is irrelevant	[06:59]
WolfGoethe	the goal is to evolve bitcoin by making the usd irrelvent	[07:00]
WolfGoethe	once bitcoin "closes the circle" then it shall be a true competitor to the usd	[07:00]
WolfGoethe	this is what they fear most as is evident by the case of the 13 colonies	[07:00]
decimation	k.	[07:00]
WolfGoethe	here is a decent presentation on this concept - http://blog.easybitz.com/2014/10/05/closing-the-circle/	[07:01]
assbot	Closing the Circle \| EasyBitz Blog	[07:01]
asciilifeform	'If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit!'	[07:01]
decimation	lol	[07:01]
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WolfGoethe	I welcome any reading resources you have. I've gone thru mullins works, griffths works, "history of money by jack weatherford" was also awesome. and several books on europe in the 30;s	[07:02]
WolfGoethe	I'm no expert but I am trying to think deeply	[07:02]
mircea_popescu	what do you do for a living ?	[07:02]
WolfGoethe	the best chance we have now to close the circle is to focus on retail adoption me thinks	[07:02]
WolfGoethe	I'm a coder mircea and entrepreneur, nothin special	[07:02]
mircea_popescu	but who are you to think.	[07:03]
mircea_popescu	ok, what did you code, what did you entreprene	[07:03]
WolfGoethe	I was bron human, this it is my duty to think.. very unamerican I know lol	[07:03]
WolfGoethe	I code web mostly. many platforms. had a few startups. did the napster of Ringtones in 2000. and a few social networking sites. and now working on some bitcoin stuff.	[07:04]
mircea_popescu	this is like saying, "i have a computer, it is my duty to generate random strings and publish them"	[07:04]
mircea_popescu	not so.	[07:04]
WolfGoethe	not ready to have a chat about the nature of consciousness right now	[07:05]
WolfGoethe	maybe once I have some green tea	[07:05]
WolfGoethe	I do want to think tacticall with you tho	[07:05]
WolfGoethe	not many who can think on your lvl in the scene, from what I recall	[07:06]
mircea_popescu	well that's nice.	[07:06]
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decimation	lol	[07:06]
*	asciilifeform is not impressed with current shot	[07:06]
decimation	he is persistent	[07:07]
WolfGoethe	what do u guys think of videos like this? http://vimeo.com/107847867	[07:08]
assbot	Vendys Bitcoin 1st draft on Vimeo	[07:08]
WolfGoethe	we all need to take action to make Bitcoin mainstream	[07:10]
asciilifeform	why?	[07:10]
WolfGoethe	the lack of morale is my main concern	[07:10]
WolfGoethe	I see this like a grass roots social justice movement	[07:10]
mircea_popescu	dude wouldja stop with the nonsense. it's ridoinculous.	[07:10]
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WolfGoethe	? nonsense?	[07:11]
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mircea_popescu	yes nonsense.	[07:12]
mircea_popescu	;;google bitcoin and the poor	[07:12]
gribble	Cash transfers in Africa: Bitcoin for the poor \| The Economist: ; How Bitcoin Could Help the World's Poor \| Acton PowerBlog: ; Lessons From Mobile Payments: Bitcoin Will Not Help the Poor or ...: (1 more message)	[07:12]
mircea_popescu	o rly.	[07:12]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2012/bitcoin-and-the-poor/ there	[07:12]
assbot	Bitcoin and the poor pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[07:12]
ben_vulpes	and who the fuck decided that a perfectly good 'eth0' should turn into 'enp0s29u1u1' ? << o yikes	[07:13]
asciilifeform	incidentally, timeless classic: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/924795/posts	[07:13]
assbot	Let Africa Sink	[07:13]
asciilifeform	(re: africa)	[07:14]
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WolfGoethe	you think planning and focusing our efforts to create bitcoin saturated nodes within the west is nonsense?	[07:14]
thickasthieves	"In the latest move, Blockchain, a Bitcoin wallet provider and software developer, is expected to announce on Tuesday that it has closed a roughly $30.5 million fund-raising round, led by Lightspeed Venture Partners and Wicklow Capital. The investment, raised from Blockchain’s first round of outside financing, is one of the biggest in the digital currency industry to date."	[07:15]
WolfGoethe	bitcoin can indeed help the underbanked... but what about us "over" banked... as in those being crushed by the banks and their fees and hassele	[07:15]
mats_cd03	read more and type less	[07:17]
WolfGoethe	lol	[07:17]
WolfGoethe	ok...	[07:17]
ben_vulpes	the only conceivable cure is liberal beatings. << oh ho ho ho	[07:17]
mircea_popescu	i guess more derps getting listed.	[07:18]
mircea_popescu	WolfGoethe in so many words, yes. and stop using the plural, best anyone can determine you're a solitary guy with his hopes, aspirations, confused mainstream mental impactions and internet connection.	[07:18]
mircea_popescu	these five elements do not require a plural pronoun	[07:18]
mircea_popescu	as pictured in the film '300'. << it's an insane depiction. the original guy was actually pericle's master.	[07:20]
ben_vulpes	if you compare how you treat your pets and how the average liberal intends to treat "those people" you get a scary identity. << oh come i only feed the pets when they behave	[07:20]
WolfGoethe	I'm in NYC and go to all the bitcoin dev meetups. coded an api open source project and trying to give back. came here looking to chat and I am being judged so harshly? i know this is irc... but still.	[07:20]
mats_cd03	lol	[07:20]
WolfGoethe	later	[07:20]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: wrong ephialtes	[07:20]
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mircea_popescu	WolfGoethe "TALKING ABOUT BITCOIN, EVEN IF IN A GROUP, DOES NOT MAKE YOU PART OF BITCOIN."	[07:20]
mircea_popescu	sauce : http://trilema.com/2014/a-compendium-of-basic-points-about-bitcoin-for-the-benefit-of-various-confused-noobs/	[07:20]
assbot	A compendium of basic points about Bitcoin for the benefit of various confused noobs. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[07:20]
mats_cd03	run away from the mean people	[07:20]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the one in question is ephialtes of trachis	[07:21]
thickasthieves	talking about people that talk about bitcoin doesnt make you part of bitcoin either	[07:21]
mircea_popescu	o nm	[07:21]
thickasthieves	./troll	[07:21]
mircea_popescu	generally the unqualified name refers the other	[07:21]
mircea_popescu	"i know this is irc... but still" ?!	[07:22]
mircea_popescu	what the fuck is going on in these people's brains i wish to know.	[07:22]
ben_vulpes	once bitcoin "closes the circle" then it shall be a true competitor to the usd << what do you mean by "closing the circle"?	[07:23]
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ben_vulpes	http://blog.easybitz.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/slides_whatismoney-1024x737.png	[07:24]
ben_vulpes	oh man unintentional lulz	[07:24]
ben_vulpes	i miss all the good stuff	[07:28]
ben_vulpes	fun with electricity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snk3C4m44SY&feature=youtu.be	[07:41]
assbot	High Voltage AC/DC Effect on Human Body - YouTube	[07:41]
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mircea_popescu	well at least you point it out for the rest of us. i didn 't click	[07:46]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo the problem with gavin's idiocy isn't merely that "substantial increasing barrier to entry for operators of full nodes", horrid as that may be.	[07:50]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: it starts with	[07:50]
ben_vulpes	"The dream is to see Bitcoin mainstream.	[07:50]
ben_vulpes	"	[07:50]
mircea_popescu	the problem with gavin's idiocy is that roughly speaking, the square of the block size and the total network hash are on opposite sides of an equality, which describes total network security.	[07:50]
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mircea_popescu	so basically, he's proposing significant downstepping of current blockchain security.	[07:51]
mircea_popescu	neither of these are getting merged into bitcoin, whatever gavin says or whatever forks happen.	[07:51]
mircea_popescu	if indeed they're stupid enough to fork it, i will sink their fork on the open market.	[07:52]
mircea_popescu	and if that's the path they wish to use to introduce faux bitcoin-lite for the us domestic market, that's fine, but it won't go over any better than an attempt from scratch.	[07:52]
mircea_popescu	"we" know what bitcoin is and why we're using it.	[07:52]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2014#574604 << i can't believe this fucktard actually came back under a new name but referenced his old persona.	[07:53]
assbot	Logged on 22-03-2014 16:21:56; Ghaleon: hence the typical irc, leet jerk attitude is bout to be extinct	[07:53]
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mircea_popescu	srsly ?! try every six months, maybe his retardation now fits reality ? go sulk for another six months, try again ?	[07:54]
mircea_popescu	hey idiot, how about fixing your head instead ?	[07:54]
asciilifeform	hey, vs. mr spam's six weeks.	[07:54]
mircea_popescu	i guess. but an oscillator's still an oscillator, no matter the period.	[07:55]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: This is very true about the large blocks working against security. Throw it up there as a comment.	[07:59]
mircea_popescu	i';d have left a link on their blog but of course.... cloudflare claims the host is broken	[08:00]
mircea_popescu	because cloudflare, as any other usg product, can never be a failful piece of shit that doesn't work.	[08:00]
mircea_popescu	obamacare for websites.	[08:00]
BingoBoingo	Seriously Cloudflare sites are more unavailable than any others I've seen	[08:02]
mircea_popescu	wait, is that guy in the video trying to charge capacitors in an ac circuit ?	[08:02]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo best health care in murica!	[08:02]
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BingoBoingo	Rly	[08:04]
asciilifeform	charge capacitors in an ac circuit << great fun when you're a kid	[08:06]
mircea_popescu	heh i guess.	[08:07]
mircea_popescu	from the confiscated miners article, "Неизвестно откуда взявшиеся эксперты таможенной службы установили, что металлические конструкции со встроенными в них схемами «предназначены для выполнения специализированных операций расчета хэш-сумм с б	[08:08]
mircea_popescu	ольшой скоростью, что позволяет использовать их для концентрации на определенном адресе чисел и денежных средств». Вероятно, это подтверждает высокий уровень технической подготовки экспертов таможенной службы Читы, способных н	[08:08]
mircea_popescu	а взгляд определить возможности схем, зашитых в металлический корпус."	[08:08]
asciilifeform	^ mega-lol	[08:08]
mircea_popescu	what uncharitable bs. really, it's that hard to identify hash chips ? i had no idea o.O	[08:08]
asciilifeform	it's a specially-constructed stilted, official language.	[08:08]
mircea_popescu	well or a mockery thereof.	[08:09]
asciilifeform	used in soviet and perhaps other 'eastern despot' officialdom.	[08:09]
asciilifeform	mockery is likely.	[08:09]
mircea_popescu	but i mean, "guy came in with 10lbs of undeclared stuff, got it confiscated"	[08:09]
mircea_popescu	this reminds me vaguely of the nefario timetravel adventures.	[08:09]
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asciilifeform	well, to round out story, 'when asked why undeclared, uttered 'bitcoin', received the prescribed five lashes' or the like.	[08:10]
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mircea_popescu	a much better story would be something like, "company ordered parts, submitted proper importation documents, had them confiscated at border "	[08:11]
*	asciilifeform just spent four hours ripping poettering out of what appeared to be a perfectly sanitary gentoo, is mighty pissed	[08:11]
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mircea_popescu	make sure you post the results.	[08:12]
mircea_popescu	"poettering-free gentoo"	[08:12]
asciilifeform	lol. next i post the ebola-free pudding recipe.	[08:12]
mircea_popescu	whatever the gentoo repackages are called i forget	[08:12]
BingoBoingo	!b 4	[08:12]
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asciilifeform	http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Gentoo_Without_systemd << for a start	[08:13]
assbot	Gentoo Without systemd - Gentoo Wiki	[08:13]
asciilifeform	(not my recipe, but from the folks who write recipes)	[08:13]
asciilifeform	and - if you don't mask the turd, 'sanitary' gentoo (sans systemd) will indeed pull in udev-systemd by default.	[08:14]
mircea_popescu	anyway. the first step riding the world of human excrement is telling the "wolfgoethe"s, poetterings, gavins & co of this world that they are wrong to exist.	[08:14]
mircea_popescu	just that simple fact. "no amount of environmentalism helps anything as long as you continue to exist"	[08:15]
asciilifeform	http://imgur.com/gXrMsoM	[08:15]
assbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[08:15]
mircea_popescu	ahahahaha	[08:15]
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asciilifeform	(or recall yoga master, with his single nail. gotta start small!)	[08:16]
mircea_popescu	o shit this goes with the ak rant	[08:16]
mircea_popescu	!up KamiNoCharto	[08:16]
-assbot-	You voiced KamiNoCharto for 30 minutes.	[08:16]
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asciilifeform	yes, it does.	[08:16]
mircea_popescu	why is it "tactical" again ?	[08:17]
mircea_popescu	embedded tictacs ?	[08:17]
asciilifeform	no amount of environmentalism << 'unless someone like you dies a whole awful lot, nothing is gonna get better - it's not...'	[08:17]
mircea_popescu	where's the quote from ?	[08:17]
asciilifeform	!s unless someone like you cares	[08:18]
assbot	0 results for 'unless someone like you cares' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=unless+someone+like+you+cares	[08:18]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha seusss?	[08:18]
asciilifeform	variant is from unwritten mental version of said rhyme	[08:18]
asciilifeform	regarding our friends the poetterings et al.	[08:18]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2014#758211 << re: 'tactical'	[08:19]
assbot	Logged on 16-07-2014 18:55:26; asciilifeform: as i understand, the term originally applied to brands of optical rifle sight designed to withstand the field (water, whacking over enemy's head, etc.) vs ones that only need to survive a leisurely duck hunt	[08:19]
mircea_popescu	"unless someone like you dies a whole awful lot, nothing is gonna get better - you're rot"	[08:19]
mircea_popescu	mno, vocative	[08:20]
mircea_popescu	"unless someone like you dies a whole awful lot, nothing is gonna get better, you rot!"	[08:20]
asciilifeform	!b 1	[08:20]
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*	asciilifeform invites readers to defile the entire poem	[08:20]
mircea_popescu	got a link ?	[08:22]
mircea_popescu	meh why so long ;/	[08:23]
asciilifeform	http://clubs.cob.calpoly.edu/~cmiller/poetry/The%20Lorax.htm	[08:24]
mircea_popescu	yup, same exact one i found. check out the unspeakable diversity of the interwebs,	[08:24]
asciilifeform	possibly the only intact copy.	[08:25]
asciilifeform	thank the copyrasts.	[08:25]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile reduced to about five hundred sites by the unerring sloth and stupidiy of the masses and the unrelenting efforts of the corporation.	[08:25]
mircea_popescu	such hellspawn that marriage.	[08:25]
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BingoBoingo	;;ticker	[08:32]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 335.56, Best ask: 336.59, Bid-ask spread: 1.03000, Last trade: 336.57, 24 hour volume: 56024.71952397, 24 hour low: 298.32, 24 hour high: 347.0, 24 hour vwap: 318.889388963	[08:32]
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bgupta	Anyone going to DPR's trial on Thursday?	[08:41]
bgupta	I might	[08:42]
mthreat	actual trial already?	[08:45]
mthreat	or just pretrial?	[08:45]
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bgupta	Unknown, not well reported.	[08:47]
bgupta	All news articles are beign crubbed	[08:48]
bgupta	scrubbed	[08:48]
bgupta	e.g.- #29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road_(marketplace)#cite_note-poststar-29	[08:48]
assbot	Silk Road (marketplace) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[08:48]
bgupta	gobimint making ti really hard to know where to show up and say "I am sparticus!"	[08:50]
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BingoBoingo	!mpif	[08:59]
assbot	BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021881 B (Total: 478.50 B). Delta: 0.00 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000195 BTC [-]	[08:59]
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pete_dushenski	decimation: what I find amusing is that the lefties don't get that they are in a relgious war because they don't even realize that what they are derping about is metaphysics << definitely amusing. though you have to figure that some know the equalitarianism can't be measured.	[09:14]
pete_dushenski	heya BingoBoingo	[09:14]
pete_dushenski	nice work on the qntra these last few days :)	[09:15]
pete_dushenski	(and to cazalla as well)	[09:15]
BingoBoingo	So far mostly cazalla	[09:16]
BingoBoingo	http://qntra.net/2014/10/gavin-andressen-proposes-scalability-roadmap-and-hardfork/#comment-16 << OrganofCorti	[09:17]
assbot	Gavin Andresen Proposes Scalability Roadmap and Hardfork	[09:17]
pete_dushenski	dunno why that dude isn't here already.	[09:18]
pete_dushenski	other than his clear reluctance to get in the wot, he seems smart enough.	[09:19]
BingoBoingo	Dude's pretty much the guy on mining pools	[09:19]
pete_dushenski	mhm	[09:20]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: so, you know, free all the 13 yos trapped in 28 yo bodies. << new mpex fund: freedom28	[09:21]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform I HOPE YOU ARE HAPPY WITH YOURSELF	[09:21]
pete_dushenski	includes life lessons, discipline, fear, obedience, and unpredictable lashings.	[09:22]
mircea_popescu	i am a fourth in and nobody can sleep because of you	[09:22]
mircea_popescu	shameful creature of temptation. BACK! YON BEAST!	[09:22]
mircea_popescu	the power of jesus compiles you!	[09:22]
pete_dushenski	story time chez popescu?	[09:23]
pete_dushenski	…rock-a-by slavegirl… in the treetop… when the wind blows… you'll suck on my cock…	[09:25]
BingoBoingo	!b 4	[09:25]
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punkman	"Gavin offers this 50% yearly figure based on Nielsen's Law of Internet bandwidth which supposes high speed Internet connections double in speed every year."	[10:27]
punkman	well shit, my bw been the same for like 7 years	[10:28]
RagnarDanneskjol	ha seriously	[10:29]
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punkman	I guess guy was talking about datacenters or something "a high-end user's connection speed grows by 50% per year"	[10:32]
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sgornick	Will Qntra gets its own irc channel?	[11:06]
BingoBoingo	sgornick: It probably won't	[11:12]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2014/the-lorax/	[11:27]
assbot	The Lorax pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[11:27]
mircea_popescu	sgornick why would it want a difdferent one ?	[11:27]
mircea_popescu	I might << if you do, blog it.	[11:27]
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sgornick	mircea_popescu: To not add qntra-specific noise to #bitcoin-assets. Lots of chatter will be added from it, I suspect.	[11:30]
mircea_popescu	there is no distinction between this and that.	[11:32]
mircea_popescu	the very point of qntra is for there to not be a distance between truth, as represented here, and news.	[11:33]
mircea_popescu	you'll hafta see the logs of its birth.	[11:33]
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punkman	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJhAuEYk3ms	[11:44]
assbot	Glasser - Shape - YouTube	[11:44]
penguirker	New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-lorax/	[11:44]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 21:58:12 2014	[20:05]
-assbot-	Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass.	[20:05]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform >D	[20:06]
nubbins`	mp dat poster link you sent a while back	[20:08]
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nubbins`	websites like that make me sad	[20:08]
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nubbins`	http://posters.lardbucket.org/ is this the sorriest thing you ever saw or what	[20:08]
assbot	posters.lardbucket.org	[20:08]
nubbins`	boils some poor heel's life down to this shitty little nugget of wasted effort	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	oh oh	[20:09]
nubbins`	and the tagline	[20:09]
mircea_popescu	ikr?	[20:09]
nubbins`	"please don't take my stuff"	[20:09]
nubbins`	IF ONLY WE WANTED TO	[20:09]
mircea_popescu	i'm like... dude i used to make that stuff, in basic, on a z80	[20:09]
nubbins`	right?	[20:09]
nubbins`	could make 60 of these a second	[20:09]
nubbins`	;p	[20:09]
mircea_popescu	the blessings of a school system with no grades.	[20:10]
nubbins`	but wait dude, you don't understand, he also did that one of the mandelbrot set	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	people get to be 30 and still have no idea they suck	[20:10]
nubbins`	it's recursively shitty	[20:10]
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mircea_popescu	i'm sorry, i mean, still have no idea that they wolfgoethe	[20:11]
nubbins`	that they...?	[20:11]
mircea_popescu	it's in the logs	[20:11]
nubbins`	!s *goethe	[20:12]
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assbot	Error - search.bicoin-assets.com : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%2Agoethe	[20:12]
nubbins`	eat shit assbot	[20:12]
nubbins`	oh ahahaha	[20:12]
nubbins`	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2014#861983	[20:12]
assbot	Logged on 07-10-2014 04:02:22; WolfGoethe: I code web mostly. many platforms. had a few startups. did the napster of Ringtones in 2000. and a few social networking sites. and now working on some bitcoin stuff.	[20:12]
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mircea_popescu	it was rather amusing	[20:13]
ben_vulpes	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh5X1LcGa9I	[20:13]
assbot	Radioactive emission of Uranium visible to naked eye in a cloud chamber! - YouTube	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	cherenkov ?	[20:13]
bounce	it's blue. snazzy tune though. didn't think it had it in it.	[20:14]
nubbins`	luckily this video has an unskippable ad at the start	[20:14]
bounce	didn't get one of those, but I have a lot of ad-y things blocked here.	[20:14]
nubbins`	ben_vulpes why is this a 35s video instead of a 3s gif?	[20:14]
nubbins`	why is it published by "funny videos"?	[20:14]
nubbins`	i'm sorry, i know you don't have answers	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	the ad ?	[20:15]
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nubbins`	nah the actual video	[20:15]
nubbins`	it's looping	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	yes, the actual video. because the ad.	[20:15]
nubbins`	o o o	[20:15]
nubbins`	riiight	[20:15]
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nubbins`	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HmQoW4sJmc	[20:16]
assbot	'I've made a terrible mistake' - YouTube	[20:16]
nubbins`	from same channel ;/	[20:16]
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mircea_popescu	!up sgornick_	[20:16]
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mircea_popescu	;;gettrust assbot sgornick_	[20:16]
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gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user sgornick: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=sgornick \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=sgornick \| Rated since: Thu Dec 2 21:13:08 2010	[20:17]
assbot	Nuclear Reactor start up - YouTube	[20:17]
bounce	ah, the link between the videos is the tune	[20:17]
mircea_popescu	sgornick_ you know you can self up here right ?	[20:17]
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mircea_popescu	;;later tell bingoboingo cazalla heh check out the furry of attention your little project is getting from our enemies. methinks we;ve struck oil here.	[20:28]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[20:28]
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mircea_popescu	i should probably say "the enemies of a free world, liberty, happiness and generally humanity", but it's kinda lengthy to give these people all their proper titles and indignities.	[20:29]
nubbins`	let them be henceforth known as The Enemies	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	ahhh that govt response to the horowitz declaration	[20:33]
nubbins`	lel http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/10/07/1612226/complain-about-comcast-get-fired-from-your-job	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	"we made it a secret and prosecute anyone disclosing how we infringe rights	[20:33]
assbot	Complain About Comcast, Get Fired From Your Job - Slashdot	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	the law requires someone asking for his rights to be protected to say how his rights were infringed	[20:34]
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mircea_popescu	therefore this motion should be dismissed"	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	how do these people even get out of bed in the morning ?	[20:34]
nubbins`	i think they black out their mirrors	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	compartimentalisation only goes so far.	[20:34]
nubbins`	it helps	[20:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00074535 = 6.41 BTC [+]	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	and bingo you're doing a bangass job over there! everyone else links the pdf, you put in the text. brownie points.	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller listen, you actually shipping those cookies ?	[20:36]
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nubbins`	COOKIE CHIEF	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform incidentally, i am curious how many of the references and injokes are actually observable from outside the work	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	and how many random bits are overinterpreted in the quest for the former	[20:40]
artifexd	qntra.net << Awesome DNS	[20:40]
assbot	startup_isninja +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -4	[20:42]
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fluffypony	Have we discussed David Seaman's proclamation of Bitcoin's demise? I see pete_dushenski spotted it	[20:42]
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mircea_popescu	we have not, because we did last time and well, it just seems to encourage this sort of thing	[20:43]
nubbins`	!up startup_isninja	[20:43]
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mircea_popescu	anything substantial in there ?	[20:43]
nubbins`	if you're ninjashogun, expect the reverse in a moment	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	!down startup_isninja	[20:43]
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fluffypony	Nah	[20:43]
nubbins`	LEL	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	that's ok, i've read enough nonsense today	[20:43]
fluffypony	He basically went on a rant	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	well good for him, and let his mother know	[20:43]
fluffypony	About how Bitcoin is dead because the price went so low	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	who the fuck is the guy even ?	[20:43]
fluffypony	And if it wast dead the price wouldn't go that low	[20:44]
fluffypony	Wasn't	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	yeah, totally. im sure the price for his penis is over 300 bux.	[20:44]
fluffypony	He's a turd, but a hilarious one	[20:44]
fluffypony	Plus his surname is seaman	[20:44]
fluffypony	So theres that	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	i wonder why all the people with shitty names don't get together and make their own country.	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	ben dover's gulch	[20:44]
fluffypony	Lol	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	o, right! because it's a stupid idea! well... nevermind then.	[20:45]
nubbins`	i know a woman with the last name Smellie, true story	[20:45]
bounce	nice and short story	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	i had a dentist in ro, her last name was moustache	[20:45]
nubbins`	the best stories are succinct, yet moving, and oddly telling	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	and with perky tits.	[20:46]
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mircea_popescu	nubbins` by the way, know the story of old john cocksucker and his namechange ?	[20:46]
nubbins`	nope. married an italian woman named Bella Fellatoria?	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	lol. nah. he was this guy about fifty, not particularly bight, in fact closer to high functioning retardation	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	that minded his own business, was kinda friendly, and so everyone he knew suggested he do one thing for his future	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	and change that name	[20:48]
nubbins`	sure, yeah	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	so eventually, after much reflection, he did	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	to... george.	[20:48]
nubbins`	HEH	[20:48]
nubbins`	who else, let me see...	[20:48]
nubbins`	there's a spin instructor at the gym named dick barter	[20:48]
nubbins`	i've taken to calling him cock swap	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha	[20:49]
nubbins`	(not to his face, he could likely kick me to death)	[20:49]
nubbins`	there was a dope dealer named richard ball	[20:49]
nubbins`	overheard one day: "man, anybody ever call you dick ball?"	[20:49]
nubbins`	stonefaced reply: "no."	[20:50]
nubbins`	awkward silence, question guy leaves w/o another word	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	lol	[20:50]
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mircea_popescu	"During the last eighteen months I have not had the good fortune to attend my own funeral, but with that exception I have buried pretty nearly everything I lived for." << wow check out this guy.	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	now that's quality depression.	[20:52]
thestringpuller	nubbins`: the poster still hasn't come :(	[20:53]
nubbins`	A++++ would use to boost own feelings again	[20:53]
nubbins`	thestringpuller :/ let me find a tracking #	[20:53]
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nubbins`	did i post this yesterday? http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/philip-pynn-averill-baker-shared-passionate-kiss-before-arrest-1.2789028	[20:53]
assbot	Philip Pynn, Averill Baker shared 'passionate kiss' before arrest - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News	[20:53]
thestringpuller	thanks nubbins`	[20:53]
nubbins`	this is maybe the most prominent defence lawyer in the province	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	he got arrested ?!	[20:54]
nubbins`	lawyer (she) did not get arrested	[20:54]
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nubbins`	her kissy-mate, who had murdered a guy 24h prior, got arrested	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	see, this is why the motherfucking wasps were so wrong.	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	nothing better than women with careers.	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	nicholson famously makes this point on stand once.	[20:55]
nubbins`	thestringpuller: Your item was undeliverable as addressed at 2:51 pm on September 20, 2014 in ATLANTA, GA 30309. It is being returned if appropriate information is available.	[20:55]
thestringpuller	damn it	[20:56]
thestringpuller	nubbins` can you pm me the address that was given to you by the artist?	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller i take that as a no ?	[20:57]
nubbins`	ooooooooo fuck me in the ass, i wrote the P.O. Box number down wrong	[20:58]
thestringpuller	No problem.	[20:59]
thestringpuller	Just lemme know how we resolve this.	[20:59]
nubbins`	let me find the tx, PM me a btc address	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	thickasthieves: like how can a foreign website be illegal? <<< you got an oxymoron problem going there son ?	[20:59]
nubbins`	i'll refund you, that package will likely be destroyed.	[20:59]
nubbins`	:/	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` dyslexia strikes a gain ?	[20:59]
thestringpuller	what about the shirts?	[20:59]
thestringpuller	I still want a poster :(	[20:59]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu i almost made the same mistake on the shirts	[20:59]
nubbins`	dysnumeria i guess or w/e it's called	[21:00]
guruvan	never doubt the wisdom of the gribble	[21:00]
nubbins`	thestringpuller shirts will be arriving at proper location	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	guruvan what did it do this time ?	[21:00]
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thestringpuller	guruvan...that name looks familiar	[21:00]
nubbins`	thestringpuller try calling USPS and give them tracking # LM000212190CA	[21:00]
guruvan	failed thickasthieves - told him to buy XBT	[21:00]
thestringpuller	do you comment on trilema?	[21:00]
nubbins`	there's an off-chance it'll still be in a sort facility somewhere.	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	thickasthieves: do ebay servers get hacked when they discover coupon counterfeiters? << no, because ebay servers are already hacked by design, because they use the "proper" software as indicated.	[21:01]
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guruvan	thestringpuller: no - but I've been around here a long while - just not much in here for a while	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	bounce: huh, sneaky circular argument there. usg says hoster Ts&Cs allowed for monitoring to no privacy for you! -- but how'd they know what server to monitor, hm? tor ought to've made it unfindable. << they "just knew" heh.	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	but really, this silkroad thing is becoming a major liability for the usg, after having actually crossed the line from gain to liability sometime in spring.	[21:02]
nubbins`	the FBI "just knew" in the sense that an NSA agent walked into their office and said "hey, check out this URL!"	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	making it n-0, retroactively. THEY HAVE YET TO ACTUALLY SCORE ONCE!	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	and that n is pretty fuckingly scary high, what with the heartbleed headshot and all the other outlays generously handed out by la serenissima.	[21:03]
bounce	well, losing only counts if the judge says it's a loss. if they don't, it's a win.	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	not at all.	[21:05]
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mircea_popescu	the embarassment of havcing to answer to it makes it a loss already.	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	fascist government only works if unquestioned.	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	if questioned, no matter what the sops say, it's still a loss.	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	assbot: 7th Heaven Dad Stephen Collins Taped Confessing to Child Sex Abuse <<< holy shit omfg no wai!!1	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	molested 17 yo jessica biel ?! WHERE IS THAT TAPE!	[21:06]
bounce	morally, but the usg doesn't care about that; it figures it's too big to fail	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	yes, but practically the delusions of the players aren't relevant.	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	the game is still played by points.	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	and the points still go n-0.	[21:08]
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bounce	but who cares if the bill only comes due well after your pension?	[21:09]
thestringpuller	;;later tell hanbot good work on the "new" lorax lol	[21:09]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[21:09]
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mircea_popescu	bounce depending on one's age, i wouldn't put much stock in that. i suppose septuagenarians have good cause to be disinterested on these grounds.	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	but anyone else... who cares if the bill comes due just as you're due for pension payments? hm ?	[21:11]
bounce	also depends on your perception. this is perhaps the more cogent point. who's going to be right? well... if we're lucky and they're not a lot of the cogs in the usg are going to feel mightily blindsided.	[21:11]
mircea_popescu	every current usg employee is in direct danger of starvation, once they reach old age. better make some good friends and suck up to the fambly, because the usg won't be here to pick up their tabs.	[21:11]
mircea_popescu	bounce not so.	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	it takes precious little luck for the woodchpper to grind a whole forrest.	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	all it takes is a little time and a coupla determined people.	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	the tools are present.	[21:12]
Azelphur	don't suppose anyone here knows the solution to http://pastebin.com/USqRfYca ?	[21:12]
assbot	$ git commit -S gpg: skipped "Alfie "Azelphur" Day ": sec - Pastebin.com	[21:12]
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mircea_popescu	Azelphur you missing the secret key ?	[21:12]
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Azelphur	mircea_popescu: that's the part that makes no sense, I shouldn't be, it's the same key I've always used on this machine since the dawn of time, I only have one key, gpg --list-secret-keys shows one key	[21:13]
Azelphur	It shouldn't be*	[21:13]
bounce	perhaps depends on a gpg agent that isn't running or perhaps doesn't have the key loaded	[21:13]
Azelphur	bounce: that's possible, the key does require a passphrase	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	you see why this is not the sort of thing another could help with Azelphur. check the secret keyring ? maybe is there a pinentry involved that fails silently ?	[21:14]
nubbins`	try clearsigning something	[21:14]
kakobrekla	just show us your private key	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	nobody really knows the intricate details of your own "dawn of time" history but you	[21:14]
Azelphur	nubbins`: echo "Hello world" \| gpg --clearsign works fine	[21:15]
nubbins`	passwd prompt?	[21:15]
Azelphur	nubbins`: nope	[21:15]
*	nubbins` nods	[21:15]
bounce	well then. time to dig into git for a bit.	[21:15]
punkman	Azelphur: try this: git config --global user.signingkey FFFFFFFF	[21:16]
guruvan	or perhaps the .git/config doesn't	[21:16]
guruvan	have the right key in there?	[21:16]
Azelphur	punkman: thanks, that solved it	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes: http://antilop.cc/sr/files/2014_10_06_Government_Response_To_Horowitz_Declaration.pdf << PHP databases << whether they are or they aren't, that's what the us govt will claim there was. because it's a noncontroversial tech, much like hollywood still shows diskettes in movies to this day.	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	for a bunch of experts that use excel, the controlling factor is to make sure the story's believable.	[21:17]
nubbins`	they do?	[21:17]
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mircea_popescu	nubbins` on occasion	[21:17]
nubbins`	interesting, "the net" was the last movie i recall seeing a 3.5"	[21:18]
nubbins`	;;google the net sandra bullock	[21:18]
gribble	The Net (1995) - IMDb: ; The Net (1995 film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Amazon.com: The Net: Sandra Bullock, Jeremy Northam, Dennis ...:	[21:18]
nubbins`	19 years, wow	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	"Snoops" The Stolen Diskette (TV Episode 2000)	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	apparently Live Free or Die Hard (2007) was one of the first films to use the sticks.	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	S1m0ne (2002), has a floppy in there.	[21:21]
mike_c	ooh, SR was using "php databases"	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	and omfg that was an atrociously bad film jesus	[21:21]
mike_c	no wonder it sucked	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	it did ? (i have nfi)	[21:22]
mike_c	"Silk Road’s reliance on PHP databases was readily observable from the website itself during the time of its operation"	[21:22]
mike_c	this is gov't derping from the filing.	[21:22]
mike_c	hopefully such a thing doesn't actually exist.	[21:22]
mike_c	they are just talking about phpmyadmin.	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	thickasthieves: be a real writer and write from Androad with autocorrect << so much win	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	mike_c i wouldn't really take anything the govt says at face value. the derps in that courtroom painfully remind of http://trilema.com/2012/law-enforcement-never-fails-to-unintentionally-entertain/	[21:23]
assbot	Law enforcement never fails to unintentionally entertain pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[21:23]
mike_c	oh no, to be clear I am laughing at them.	[21:24]
thickasthieves	the trading chat is all "we'll have one more new low, then moon"	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	o they caught on have they.	[21:25]
thickasthieves	nope	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	i guess I should make a little infographic while at it.	[21:25]
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thickasthieves	they missed the low, and now wan to will it into being	[21:25]
thickasthieves	at least that's what the good old rooibos tells me	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	oh oh. lol. shoulda read moar trilema.	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	which chan is this ?	[21:26]
thickasthieves	not a chan sadly, tradingview.com	[21:27]
thickasthieves	the least trollboxy one ive found	[21:27]
thickasthieves	still took a lot of ignores to be decent tho	[21:27]
fluffypony	mmmm, rooibos iced tea with vanilla vodka	[21:27]
bounce	there is only one original trollbox	[21:28]
fluffypony	Such nomos7	[21:28]
fluffypony	FFs, stupid autocorrect	[21:28]
thickasthieves	it's a great website though	[21:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00074535 = 11.4039 BTC [+]	[21:30]
thickasthieves	i should use though less tho	[21:30]
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thestringpuller	;;ticker	[21:31]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 330.33, Best ask: 331.53, Bid-ask spread: 1.20000, Last trade: 331.55, 24 hour volume: 24923.24390781, 24 hour low: 312.37, 24 hour high: 336.99, 24 hour vwap: 327.245791236	[21:31]
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thestringpuller	haven't seen fluffypony in awhile	[21:32]
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thickasthieves	someone dumped AM1 i see	[21:39]
thickasthieves	bad news?	[21:39]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: wow you tore gavin a new one on qntra.	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	nobody forces derps to derp.	[21:39]
thestringpuller	He didn't even respond...caught with his pants down to see that his balls are missing?	[21:43]
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thickasthieves	why would he respond?	[21:44]
thickasthieves	he already chose his team	[21:44]
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thestringpuller	Team USG!	[21:45]
thestringpuller	USA USA USA!	[21:45]
thestringpuller	so bad. :(	[21:45]
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nubbins`	!t h am1	[21:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.10010000 / 0.11865812 / 0.14600000 (303 shares, 35.95341020 BTC), 7D: 0.10000001 / 0.13318606 / 0.19210002 (1622 shares, 216.02778869 BTC), 30D: 0.10000001 / 0.15787022 / 0.26900000 (5077 shares, 801.50712295 BTC)	[21:47]
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thickasthieves	bloomberg tv talking about blockchain $30m and btc	[21:47]
thickasthieves	theyll be interviewed too	[21:48]
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nubbins`	blockchain.info is a handy enough read-only wallet that i haven't bothered trying any others	[21:51]
thickasthieves	i used it for a bit but stopped	[21:52]
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mircea_popescu	they;re one of the lenders, but! i gotta say they parlayed very little into a whole lot. they don't actually have enough btc on hand to justify a 30mn grant.	[21:54]
thickasthieves	i dont understand how you put $30m into a wallet company and take $30m+ back out	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/this-is-how-much-i-rule-today/ << thickasthieves you can tell the tradechats that one :D	[21:55]
assbot	This is how much I rule (today) pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	thickasthieves which is why it's called a grant.	[21:55]
thickasthieves	lol they arent ready	[21:58]
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nubbins`	oh fuck, wow	[21:59]
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nubbins`	earlier today, headline on cbc news website was "freight train operators report falling asleep on job"	[21:59]
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mircea_popescu	anyway. baring some sort of miracle, that's that.	[21:59]
mircea_popescu	and miracles are in short supply these days.	[21:59]
nubbins`	all about being overworked, no sleep, etc	[21:59]
mircea_popescu	kinda longstanding problem thios	[21:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 114 @ 0.01059769 = 1.2081 BTC [+] {3}	[22:00]
nubbins`	that's no longer the main headline because we now have BREAKING: Major train derailment near Wadena, Sask.	[22:00]
thickasthieves	ouch	[22:00]
mircea_popescu	ouch	[22:01]
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bounce	well, that's one way to spin control	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	bounce how do you mean ?	[22:07]
bounce	eh n'mind.	[22:07]
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mircea_popescu	dub: assets is gop sponsored chan << yeah, but the great old party in question is the guelph.	[22:09]
bounce	oh, anhydrous ammonia, "highly toxic" says cnbs. to aquatic animals, says wikipedia.	[22:09]
thestringpuller	what was that article about giving engineers too much money on trilema?	[22:09]
bounce	s/cnbs/cbc/	[22:09]
thestringpuller	;;google site:trilema.com too much money engineer	[22:10]
gribble	The problem of too much money pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: ; ArsDigita: From Start-Up to Bust-Up - Trilema: ; The psychology of the bagholder pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...:	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	there you go.	[22:10]
thestringpuller	I wonder if the enemy is lurking on Trilema.	[22:12]
thickasthieves	well after the SEC interaction he probly got on some lists ;)	[22:14]
fluffypony	thestringpuller: I'm around	[22:14]
chetty	they would be fools not to	[22:14]
fluffypony	just been busy	[22:14]
penguirker	New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/this-is-how-much-i-rule-today/	[22:16]
rithm	roflcopter	[22:18]
thestringpuller	random: is davout still on honeymoon leave?	[22:18]
mircea_popescu	wasnt he here earlier ?	[22:19]
thickasthieves	yeah he said hi and that the honeymoon is over	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	assbot: Press Release October 7, 2014: Bitcoin Foundation Financial Standards Working Group Leads the Way for Mainstream Bitcoin Adoption \| The Bitcoin Foundation << they really should stop competing with the onion.	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony: it looks like a B getting probed analy <<< would you prefer an octopus ?	[22:21]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: yes	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	come to thinkj about it me too.	[22:21]
fluffypony	the symbol for Hydra from the Marvel comics would be awesome	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	http://www.whitezine.com/en/motion/octopus-video.html	[22:22]
assbot	Octopus Video \| Whitezine \| Design Graphic & Photography Inspirations	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2159692/Womans-mouth-falls-pregnant-squid-biting-sea-creature-scientists-claim.html << better yet lol	[22:24]
assbot	Woman's mouth 'falls pregnant' to twelve squid after biting into sea creature, scientists claim \| Daily Mail Online	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo: No need for a symbol. BTC is fine. People build friendly 'nugh interfaces with BTC << yeahy but then how would vessenes' scam ring issue "press releases" about things and stuff ?	[22:25]
thickasthieves	i was loading some stuff into the fridge earlier and felt like a web or string my neck, so i grabbed and flicked to floor. it was a huge red wasp.	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	those can be dangerous	[22:26]
thickasthieves	just glad it didnt get me	[22:26]
nubbins`	wasps are dickheads	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla: how is XBT better ? << it's great in that it gives btc the occasion to show the entire iso process the door.	[22:27]
nubbins`	bees are bros though	[22:27]
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thickasthieves	'I was in a loving, healthy, great relationship for four years,' she told the magazine. 'It was long distance, and either your boyfriend is going to look at porn or he’s going to look at you.' http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2783719/Jennifer-Lawrence-speaks-time-nude-photo-leak-Vanity-Fair.html	[22:28]
assbot	Jennifer Lawrence speaks out for the first time about nude photo leak to Vanity Fair \| Daily Mail Online	[22:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1200 @ 0.00074535 = 0.8944 BTC [+]	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	well... porn of you, at any rate.	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	these self-righteous cunts. it's porn when other women do it, amirite ?	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	shut up and embrace it. when we want porn, you do porn. when porridge is fashionable you make porrige and if sandwiches come into fashion you make sandwiches. wtf is this.	[22:29]
thickasthieves	also, long-distance is a correctable disposition	[22:30]
thickasthieves	just stop having a career and go home	[22:30]
BingoBoingo	Ebook software can suck too http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/10/07/1725232/adobe-spies-on-users-ebook-libraries	[22:30]
assbot	Adobe Spies On Users' eBook Libraries - Slashdot	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	thickasthieves or stop calling "a career" menial, servant jobs which don't afford you being with your family.	[22:31]
mircea_popescu	that's what motherfucking careers are : lines of work where you can do what you please.	[22:31]
mircea_popescu	doing what you have to is for house servants.	[22:31]
thickasthieves	hallelujah	[22:31]
bounce	"deputy cto", such an interesting job title.	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	thickasthieves: Note that it's ironic that I actually made this purchase by mistake because I thought the "Deposit" button meant , yknow, depositing funds, not exchanging currencies. Your system of dollarifying all numbers is obnoxious. Let people type in bitcoin amounts and understand it as a separate currency. You're just confusing things." <<< they're not JUST confusing things.	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	merely doing what told.	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	bounce that feels like it should have a titty in there.	[22:33]
BingoBoingo	bingoboingo cazalla heh check out the furry of attention your little project is getting from our enemies. methinks we;ve struck oil here. << I think the individual blogs stung from time to time. The concentrated effort on a news as information service scares them.	[22:33]
thickasthieves	when i showed my wife the TBF nonprofit documents she commented "Chief Scientist" is an odd job title for a nonprofit	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	yeah well chief derp didn't sound as exciting to the prospective candidate	[22:34]
thickasthieves	also noted that the exec is actually a paid consultant from a separate company	[22:34]
thickasthieves	not unheard of , but notbale	[22:35]
thickasthieves	i got some good typos today	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	lol	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	anyway, she needn't worry : the third party company is where the siphoned funds are headed. the foundation is just the scamming public front.	[22:36]
rithm	but this is the intertubes, it must be science'd	[22:37]
thickasthieves	she thought ot was the exec title at first, since he's the only guy on payroll	[22:37]
rithm	economics is scientific and mostly theoretical, chief scientist sounds legit on a spaceship	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	rithm your rhymes!	[22:38]
rithm	let's do this next: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8422864	[22:39]
assbot	Build a bank \| Hacker News	[22:39]
rithm	whatever that is	[22:39]
rithm	it really time for a bank named triangle, rhombus, trapezoid, or dodecagon	[22:40]
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thickasthieves	dogecagon	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	or it could just be called calgon and also fix your washing machine.	[22:41]
rithm	i may be too late for triangle bank	[22:41]
thickasthieves	and fix your depression	[22:41]
rithm	some pills are hexagon, so hexagon bank would operate on new planes of banking	[22:41]
rithm	yeah that depression quote from earlier nearly made me bleed out	[22:42]
rithm	thankfully my secretary found me in time and administered beer	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	these people are out of a parody i swear. every single day. EVERY SINGLE DAY there's a "protest" in buenos aires. bout a hundred or so people gather (50 or so being the same throughout), drum the same tune on perhaps he same drums. each day.	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	it's almost like alternative busking.	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	i wonder who arranges the scheduling for all this.	[22:43]
rithm	#occupy?	[22:45]
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mircea_popescu	i like how danielpbarron is -30 on the wot and +5 to assbot	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	if there's ever a need for illustration of the concept of total trust, and it's pointlessness - that's it	[22:46]
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mircea_popescu	eventually. it's an iffy topic.	[22:48]
ben_vulpes	!up startup_isninja << lol	[22:49]
thickasthieves	i hope they dont do ads	[22:49]
thickasthieves	i'd rather just pay	[22:49]
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midnightmagic	mircea_popescu: is the third-party corp identified yet?	[22:49]
thickasthieves	so tired of ads in my face	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	midnightmagic yeah, ycombinator scamring	[22:50]
midnightmagic	sigh	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	whatever they call the sub in question.	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	midnightmagic judges commonly view through defendants corporate structrurings, if those are intended to mask the real interests in the case.	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	why do you think this'd be any differen ?	[22:51]
midnightmagic	I don't. It's just irritating.	[22:51]
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thickasthieves	;;later tell pankkake bitfetch.com seems dead and i am sad	[22:59]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[22:59]
thestringpuller	what is bitfetch?	[23:00]
thickasthieves	remote encrypted torrent dwnloader	[23:01]
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thickasthieves	you put in a magnet link and it downloads and zips the file for you to download directly, for a small btc fee	[23:02]
thickasthieves	not so small, in hindsight, but yknow	[23:02]
thestringpuller	there was another site like that that was listed on GLBSE	[23:03]
thestringpuller	but i think he got shut down	[23:03]
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mats_cd03	how is it things like that get shut down, but seedbox providers continue to operate?	[23:08]
jurov	how it got shud down?	[23:08]
jurov	*shut	[23:09]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.12 = 1.08 BTC [-]	[23:14]
penguirker	New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/10/07/you-cant-have-fun-with-words-in-a-laboratory-environment/	[23:16]
thickasthieves	nice headline "Airbitz’s Touchless Bitcoin Wallet Targets Novices, Evangelists Alike"	[23:16]
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penguirker	New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/ulbrich-defense-has-48-hours-to-counter-prosecutions-horowitz-rebuttal/	[23:23]
thickasthieves	https://blog.twitter.com/2014/taking-the-fight-for-transparency-to-court	[23:23]
assbot	Taking the fight for #transparency to court \| Twitter Blogs	[23:23]
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thestringpuller	ulbrich is gonna get off	[23:26]
thestringpuller	thats what she said	[23:26]
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mats_cd03	http://www.e-reading.me/bookreader.php/142137/Smart_Card_applications_design_models_for_using_and_programming_Smart_Cards.pdf for anyone thats ever been curious about SIM card design	[23:41]
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mats_cd03	11:32:34 + mats_cd03 i am under the impression SIM cards have DMA << answer: das wrong. half duplex serial or sometimes USB	[23:45]
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thickasthieves	;;ticker	[23:56]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 329.14, Best ask: 329.78, Bid-ask spread: 0.64000, Last trade: 329.78, 24 hour volume: 23323.62097073, 24 hour low: 312.37, 24 hour high: 336.99, 24 hour vwap: 326.795076928	[23:56]
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TomServo	;;bc,stats	[23:56]
gribble	Current Blocks: 324316 \| Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 \| Next Difficulty In: 259 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 17 hours, 9 minutes, and 56 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 35357272306.6 \| Estimated Percent Change: 2.00755	[23:56]

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