Forum logs for 06 Oct 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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Shakespeare i knew a ham radio enthusiast, he's a free mason now [00:02]
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los_pantalones Shakespeare what kind of size would you trade? [00:03]
los_pantalones if you had those facilities ? [00:03]
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TheNewDeal size of option? [00:03]
decimation Shakespeare: ham radio has its share of whackos [00:03]
los_pantalones how many btc / day [00:04]
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Shakespeare <+mircea_popescu> guy puts 1 bitcent in, gets a !up from assbot. // might be on to something there [00:06]
Shakespeare i bet it attracts more chatters than not [00:06]
Shakespeare good way to offset the chill factor from !up [00:06]
kakobrekla 1 satoshi per char for all so everyone will shut the fuck up! [00:08]
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bounce hmno. initially I'd say as long as it isn't the only way. but you'd get peddlers expecting to be heard for their money. you know, query floods, rageddos, etc. [00:10]
Shakespeare so we !down them [00:13]
Shakespeare every !down puts 10satoshi debt on their wot [00:13]
Shakespeare 3 !downs and your get assbot negrate [00:14]
bounce think about it. suppose you're neither l1 or l2, and you stick money in it. you start your valuable because costly pitch. then someone puts the !down on you. [00:14]
kakobrekla uppers dont have wot [00:14]
Shakespeare yes they do [00:14]
Shakespeare thats also a requirment [00:14]
Shakespeare to self up [00:14]
Shakespeare the satoshi getsthem the posrate [00:14]
mircea_popescu buy bitfinex ?! no ty. [00:15]
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mircea_popescu i wouldn't take it for free, as it happens. [00:15]
Shakespeare also, i'm not saying we'd have to change [00:15]
Shakespeare we could still up people whenever we want [00:15]
bounce you're fired up because you want to pitch, and you get rebuffed. gone investment, gone good monies! rage! and it goes downhill from there. -- there's an implied promise with this idea that I'm not happy with. [00:15]
Shakespeare mp, at least that gives you an idea of where i stand though [00:15]
Shakespeare i know you wouldnt buy them [00:16]
mircea_popescu uh... you stand on bitfinex ? lol k, so you buy it. [00:16]
Shakespeare but i'm saying plz replace them [00:16]
mircea_popescu what else should i replace ? [00:16]
dub holy wall [00:16]
Shakespeare everything that suz [00:16]
Shakespeare x [00:16]
bounce what, a retail exchange? [00:16]
mircea_popescu maybe i should replace obama, but in such a way as to make the usg work the way you want it to ? [00:16]
Shakespeare it's your job! [00:16]
mircea_popescu things work the way they work. [00:16]
decimation yeah do that [00:16]
mircea_popescu change so that's the way you want them to work. [00:16]
mircea_popescu i ain't helping you. [00:16]
Shakespeare tss [00:17]
bounce then replace obamaman for the social justice angle [00:17]
Shakespeare i aint asking for the world, you used to offer option after all [00:17]
kakobrekla draper wall [00:17]
Shakespeare options& [00:18]
mircea_popescu mpex options never worked as this popularly delusional "engine to turn derpage into monyz/social relevance" [00:18]
Shakespeare sry i'm not sober, went to my first football game [00:18]
mircea_popescu that a bunch of sites promise to do this has everything to do with the promising and nothing to do with the delivering. [00:18]
mircea_popescu that the derps in question will take something that "maybe" will deliver them the impossible, rather than something that makes it plain it ain't happening is entirely their problem. [00:18]
Shakespeare what are you on about? how is trading BTC against USD about social relevance and derpage? [00:19]
mircea_popescu im not in the business of making sites which "maybe" will make random joe blow rich. [00:19]
mircea_popescu bitfinex is not trading anything. [00:19]
Shakespeare i'm not talking about bfx [00:19]
mircea_popescu then im confused. [00:19]
Shakespeare the premise here was wishing mpex had a way to trade against USD [00:19]
Shakespeare so i wouldnt have to play where i play [00:20]
mircea_popescu serious problems with usd delivery. [00:20]
kakobrekla you can trade otc with optional delivery [00:20]
mircea_popescu unfortunately. [00:20]
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los_pantalones hence my inquiry into how much you would trade? [00:21]
TheNewDeal how about bitbet? [00:22]
bounce what, options on bitbet outcomes? [00:22]
Shakespeare well that's private los_pantalones [00:22]
TheNewDeal no. options on bitstamp prices, etc [00:22]
Shakespeare i shouldnt have to say [00:23]
mircea_popescu o.O [00:23]
los_pantalones it's not worth my time if it would be <100 / week [00:23]
kakobrekla i have in the past dumped coins to sturles and left fiat waiting with him for some months before i decided to repurchase/get fiat [00:23]
los_pantalones but otherwise i can offer you those facilities [00:23]
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mircea_popescu Shakespeare dude you're something else. "o someone should build a car with wings" "Would you buy one if built ?" "i shouldn't have to say" [00:23]
mircea_popescu you're spending too much time with redditards. [00:23]
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Shakespeare well in mpex i didnt have to sat [00:24]
Shakespeare i paid entry fee [00:24]
Shakespeare that was my qualification [00:24]
decimation !t m x.eur [00:24]
assbot [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.0026347 / 0.0026347 / 0.0026347 (459 shares, 1.21 BTC) [00:24]
mircea_popescu los_pantalones so charge the man an entry fee. [00:24]
los_pantalones how much is mpex these days ? [00:24]
mircea_popescu still 30. [00:24]
TheNewDeal basically what an option is, an adequately priced entry fee [00:25]
mircea_popescu decimation oddly the fully delivered euro future never got very much volumne, historically. [00:25]
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kakobrekla euro market is dead [00:25]
mircea_popescu i dunno if the requirements to take delivery were too cumbersome or wtf exactly. [00:25]
decimation seems like euros are good enough for anyone wanting to trade fiat [00:25]
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mircea_popescu but anyway, yeah, i guess the bitbet bets are probably the cheapest/most open avenue at the moment. [00:27]
decimation obviously the dude is unfamiliar with engineering stuff. it's quite customary to ask for development costs up front, on the assumption that several will be bought [00:27]
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justusranvier mircea_popescu: What's gntra? [00:27]
mircea_popescu justusranvier qntra. [00:28]
assbot - The #1 Bitcoin Site For News, Views & Commentary [00:28]
mircea_popescu this maybe coindesk killer. [00:28]
kakobrekla cuntra? [00:28]
mircea_popescu pretty much [00:29]
Shakespeare the qntra blaw should be called uuddlrlrbastart [00:29]
mircea_popescu "It would be interesting, that is, to ask Coulter about the reflex of lying that’s now sutured into the modern conservative movement’s DNA—and to get her candid assessment of why conservative leaders treat their constituents like suckers." [00:29]
Shakespeare blawg* [00:29]
mircea_popescu << dude the libtard periphery press is awesome [00:30]
assbot The Long Con - The Baffler [00:30]
justusranvier I have a long backlog of articles I want to write [00:30]
decimation maybe they can sign up Mr. Ramey as a guest author [00:30]
mircea_popescu justusranvier so hammer one out an' send it over. [00:30]
justusranvier I mostly do editorials, not news [00:31]
TheNewDeal drapers trying his damndest to get his coin back [00:32]
assbot BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $260 before November :: 1.04 B (50%) on Yes, 1.06 B (50%) on No | closing in 1 week 1 day| weight: 97`477 (100`000 to 1) [00:32]
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mircea_popescu justusranvier that was the idea, give it a little editorial anchor [00:32]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal seems bout even neh ? [00:32]
decimation I find it hilarious that the lefties in the us keep raising the fear that 'evil republicans will raise money to buy elections' while failing to notice that the lefties receive 'in-kind' contributions from us media worth $bns [00:34]
TheNewDeal draper put down 1 on yes, trying to recoup with wall [00:34]
mircea_popescu decimation that is not accountable!!!1 [00:35]
justusranvier I'll see what I can do. Won't be tonight because I've got to go producea couple videos [00:35]
decimation yeah basically it's 'oh noes they might manipulate the masses like we do!' [00:35]
mircea_popescu but anyway, the entire "thief screaming thief" and "consumate liar discussing other's dna-sutured bla bla" is rather amusing [00:35]
mircea_popescu justusranvier doesn't have to be tonight. wait, you produce video too ?! [00:36]
justusranvier We've started to publish talks from our Bitcoin meetups to YouTube [00:36]
justusranvier by "produce" I mean I set up the Hangout on Air [00:36]
justusranvier Tonight is bitstien giving a #bitcoin-otc and GPG contracts tutorial, followed by yamamushi demoing his "filesharing over bitmessage" app [00:37]
mircea_popescu aha [00:37]
decimation apparently nixcon actually considered denying the "RF broadcast licenses" of political enemies: -- last time I heard someone slightly right-wing come up with a winning strategy [00:38]
assbot Following the Trail Nixon Blazed | National Review Online [00:38]
decimation nixcon is a hilarious typo [00:38]
justusranvier tomorrow is the daniel krawisz reviewing Nick Szebo's "Shelling Out" as a money origin theory [00:38]
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Shakespeare no complaints about the SR bet resolution it seems [00:40]
mircea_popescu decimation there's an entire conspiracy theory built on the premise that it was really because of the rf thing that the "left" "set him up" [00:40]
Shakespeare though coindesk is SEOing [00:40]
assbot BitBet - Silk Road Coin Auction Extravaganza :: 2.15 B (29%) on Yes, 5.3 B (71%) on No | closed 3 months 1 week ago [00:40]
mircea_popescu much like the more aged libtards today are rewriting the story of clinton's lauhgable gullibiility/idiocy in terms of "hysteria" [00:40]
decimation they certainly had means, motive and opportunity [00:40]
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mircea_popescu because yea, totally, not being able to tell the nation to go fuck itself and mind its own business on live tv is everyone else's fault but the president's. [00:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.14639999 = 1.0248 BTC [+] {3} [00:41]
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mircea_popescu !up veox [00:41]
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decimation heh yeah, the biggest weakness of the presidency is an inability to admit that it sucks [00:41]
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Shakespeare so, would a huge ask order like this be allowed in US markets, or do they have rules about it? [00:45]
bounce apparently darpa doesn't want just model checking, rather executable encryption that is not encryption: [00:45]
assbot DARPA delving into the black art of super secure software obfuscation | Network World [00:45]
assbot Opportunities - Federal Business Opportunities: Opportunities [00:45]
decimation you can't even move more than $10k in the us without usg permission [00:45]
Shakespeare well on stock exchanges you certainly can [00:46]
decimation sure, inside the account [00:46]
Shakespeare i'm just wondering if they have rules about manipulative orders [00:46]
TheNewDeal just try to get your hands on it [00:46]
bounce without inviting them to sue you on the spot, you mean. you don't get permission, you incriminate yourself and they may or may not persecute you for it. [00:46]
decimation try moving $50k from your brokerage to your checking account in less than a few days [00:46]
Shakespeare i moved $30k a few weeks ago, they just made me respond to a message [00:46]
decimation it's true you can move it quickly with a wire [00:47]
decimation but I guarantee a notice went to the bank's regulator [00:47]
mircea_popescu Shakespeare the rule is you can't put up orders you don't intend to go through. [00:47]
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TheNewDeal the question is interesting though. What would the rules be on creating a wall that wasnt executed [00:47]
mircea_popescu other than that, you can put up whatever walls you wish. [00:48]
Shakespeare decimation, no notice is needed, exchange files 1099 [00:48]
decimation Bank Secrecy Act (1970) Required banks to (1) report cash transactions over $10,000 using the Currency Transaction Report; (2) properly identify persons conducting transactions; and (3) maintain a paper trail by keeping appropriate records of financial transactions [00:49]
assbot History of Anti-Money Laundering Laws [00:49]
decimation whether a 'wire' counts as cash is up to usg of course [00:49]
Shakespeare yeah either way, it's not money you can hide [00:50]
Shakespeare exchange reports your income anywya [00:50]
Shakespeare i bet coinbase & circle will be this way [00:50]
penguirker New blog post: [00:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1000 @ 0.00124361 = 1.2436 BTC [-] {7} [00:51]
decimation yeah in general dealing in dollars means dealing with usg [00:51]
mircea_popescu no "will" involved. [00:51]
decimation usd is the original altcoin, afterall [00:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 500 @ 0.0018875 = 0.9438 BTC [-] {15} [00:53]
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cazalla mircea_popescu, no forum posts to report and prob won't be going forward seeing this qntra thing has legs [01:30]
mircea_popescu righ [01:31]
mircea_popescu t [01:31]
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mircea_popescu "central to the right-wing appeal for generations: that liberalism is a species of madness" [01:31]
mircea_popescu dude they've got it i swear. that's exactly what the problem is with libertards. their preferred ideology is a species of madness. [01:31]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45813 @ 0.00074302 = 34.04 BTC [-] {3} [01:39]
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cazalla well, that guy from ccn responded [02:00]
cazalla [02:01]
assbot CryptoCoinsNews Is Anything But News [02:01]
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assbot Chauncey, Earl of Gloom [02:26]
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penguirker New blog post: [02:51]
BingoBoingo cazalla: Yeah I was looking for a color that made the hyperlink blue header look good. Solving the Header problem may be more productive than the experiment of cycling all of the background colors [02:52]
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cazalla BingoBoingo, i think it's ok for the time being tbh [03:05]
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BingoBoingo Fair [03:06]
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assbot Starting now: [03:16]
cazalla cool, wat ching [03:18]
Duffer_ who's the guy talking atm? [03:18]
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cazalla not sure but he calls mircea_popescu mursaya [03:19]
Duffer_ yea hehe [03:19]
cazalla lol doge licking its balls on camera [03:20]
TheNewDeal justusranvier who is this [03:23]
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justusranvier The last one was bitstien [03:39]
justusranvier Now we have yamamushi: [03:39]
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TheNewDeal why isn't this just one stream? [03:42]
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bitstein TIL how to actually pronounce Mircea. [03:45]
TheNewDeal yamamaushi found Satoshi!?!? [03:45]
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TheNewDeal is that a joke? [03:46]
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BingoBoingo,fl_progressive,q_80,w_320/rwi4zk7yyxgya1jpgx4v.jpg [03:48]
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TheNewDeal you're right, hashcash was obviously bitcoin [03:51]
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cazalla pyre, here ya go do it already [03:52]
assbot first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] [03:52]
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danielpbarron ;;later tell bitstein you demonstrated gpg on an online machine at a meetup?? with your actual key??? [03:56]
gribble The operation succeeded. [03:56]
BingoBoingo Sad say [03:59]
assbot Ousted Haitian dictator, Jean-Claude Duvalier dies [03:59]
justusranvier The two streams because it means the videos are automagically seperate [03:59]
danielpbarron dignork, so? [03:59]
justusranvier TheNewDeal: ^ [03:59]
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TheNewDeal Did Al Gore invent the internet? [04:01]
gribble User 'bitstein', with keyid 1EA2662DEB2FEFBE, fingerprint 2CEA814804FCF14D9C1AE8EA1EA2662DEB2FEFBE, and bitcoin address None, registered on Sat May 24 16:06:12 2014, last authed on Sun Oct 5 20:42:25 2014. . Currently not authenticated. [04:01]
danielpbarron the fact that he'd decrypt a message with his key on an online, os x, machine is already bad -- then he goes on to show others this insecure method to initiates [04:02]
danielpbarron -others // it's bad for Bitcoin [04:03]
BingoBoingo MSG Shakers at Restaurant tables, 'Murica [04:04]
assbot Authenticity option now available at MCF SF. /davidchang /hashtag/hospitality?src=hash [04:05]
danielpbarron it shouldn't be that difficult to demonstrate an offline setup, which is the experience new users should become accustomed with -- especially the kind of people who already think they are hip to crypto [04:05]
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danielpbarron wouldn't have taken longer than the unnecessary detour into explaining some localbitcoin thing, which served only to confuse the audience as to how the WoT functions [04:08]
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BingoBoingo !up jborkl [04:08]
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TheNewDeal that was quite hilarious [04:09]
jborkl Rough weekend for the price [04:09]
danielpbarron so? is it not possible to do without cardano? [04:09]
danielpbarron well, the presentation is incomplete without such a demonstration [04:10]
BingoBoingo jborkl: Well, for someone the next few years are going to be rougher than the price as of late [04:11]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker [04:11]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 299.98, Best ask: 299.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 300.0, 24 hour volume: 66795.52283458, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 339.43, 24 hour vwap: 306.021103061 [04:11]
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danielpbarron lest the noobs in the audience go home and actually use their key in such an insecure manner [04:11]
danielpbarron for the sake of argument that it is too cumbersome, he stilled used his real key [04:13]
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xanthyos dude $305 [04:14]
jborkl Bingoboingo, you think the price will continue sliding? Or nfi [04:14]
xanthyos so much for my $360 (10 double chai) prediction [04:14]
BingoBoingo jborkl: Well at some point it will stop sliding [04:14]
* xanthyos is always left holding the bag [04:14]
TheNewDeal I know dimsler won't like this, but the wall has returned [04:15]
jborkl Heh true.. [04:15]
TheNewDeal #wallwatch [04:15]
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thickasthieves hehe, people are eating the wall [04:17]
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TheNewDeal love it [04:18]
TheNewDeal might have to take a bite [04:18]
thickasthieves such angel whale [04:18]
dub touch the furry wall [04:18]
thickasthieves $300 coins for all! [04:18]
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TheNewDeal News headline tomorrow "Tim Draper lasted a total of 4 months in the bitcoin-sphere, managing to lose approximately 70% of his original investment" [04:19]
dub but he's been into bitcoin since 2000 [04:20]
mod6 heheh [04:21]
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thickasthieves btce is above stamp now [04:22]
thickasthieves dem pesky 5%s [04:22]
TheNewDeal yes I'm curious why the whale is on stamp exclusively [04:23]
thickasthieves to be fair there are big wallers everywhere [04:23]
thickasthieves stamp might be chosen because no margin [04:23]
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TheNewDeal no margin ? [04:23]
dub stamp is the new gox [04:23]
dub its where teh speculation forum is looking [04:24]
thickasthieves well on bitfinex you can buy 3.3:1 [04:24]
TheNewDeal oh I gotcha [04:24]
thickasthieves and there are like 10k or so btc shorted that need to be covered there [04:24]
xanthyos stroke the furry walls [04:24]
TheNewDeal suprised that they didn't just bump it up like 1$ after 5k buys or whatever [04:25]
thickasthieves 12,000+ shorts actually [04:25]
thickasthieves well the guy has been selling for days [04:25]
xanthyos russell brand's going to have to stroke some furry walls hard enough to tear the shag out if he keeps attaching his name to max keiser's cryptocoin [04:25]
thickasthieves maybe months [04:25]
thickasthieves really all this funkiness started just before the SR auction [04:26]
thickasthieves we bubbled in May [04:26]
dub I dont think wallguy is a seller [04:26]
thickasthieves went flat [04:26]
thickasthieves then down down down for mos [04:26]
thickasthieves ok ok we sound like reddites now [04:26]
thickasthieves fun times tho [04:27]
TheNewDeal please do explain dub [04:29]
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TheNewDeal they're just in the process of eating up coins? [04:30]
dub ask reddit [04:31]
mircea_popescu well, that guy from ccn responded << which ? [04:33]
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cazalla mircea_popescu, Kyle Torpey, the one that went on keiser spruiking auroracoin, ethereum etc [04:33]
mircea_popescu oh lol [04:33]
mircea_popescu how is he "from cnn" again ? i forget. [04:34]
mircea_popescu oglafbot: <<< angry owlchick is pretty hawt [04:35]
cazalla ccn as in cryptocoinsnews [04:35]
assbot Chauncey, Earl of Gloom [04:35]
dub you have your irrelevant news outlets transposed [04:35]
cazalla ^^ [04:35]
mircea_popescu wait, wut? [04:37]
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mircea_popescu TheNewDeal: Did Al Gore invent the internet? << no but if the darpa derps were satoshi-minded they'd probably have referenced some pacific islanders as their inspiration just ot mess with people. [04:39]
TheNewDeal :D [04:40]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron: -others // it's bad for Bitcoin << i doubt the airgapped bitcoin machine is all that common. [04:40]
dub could be why they got the coolest 2ld ( [04:40]
mircea_popescu cu.nt is cooler than [04:41]
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mircea_popescu danielpbarron: wouldn't have taken longer than the unnecessary detour into explaining some localbitcoin thing, which served only to confuse the audience as to how the WoT functions << you purist you. [04:41]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal: News headline tomorrow "Tim Draper lasted a total of 4 months in the bitcoin-sphere, managing to lose approximately 70% of his original investment" << i wouldn't be worried about that, he's served the golden toilet empire, he's coming back. [04:42]
mircea_popescu shit, romney is still around. why'd draper go away. [04:42]
mircea_popescu dub: its where teh speculation forum is looking << this, pretty much. [04:43]
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dub dat nick [04:56]
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TheNewDeal ;;ident nezzario [05:06]
gribble Nick 'nezzario', with hostmask 'nezZario!~nez@unaffiliated/nezzario', is not identified. [05:06]
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penguirker New blog post: [05:16]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 165 @ 0.01025554 = 1.6922 BTC [-] {3} [05:30]
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TheNewDeal ;;nethash [05:32]
gribble 280343971.467 [05:32]
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mircea_popescu !up parfait [05:37]
-assbot- You voiced parfait for 30 minutes. [05:37]
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ben_vulpes ;;ticker [05:56]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 299.99, Best ask: 300.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 300.0, 24 hour volume: 69682.98346975, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 339.43, 24 hour vwap: 305.387793681 [05:56]
ben_vulpes was that 30k ask real life? [05:56]
mircea_popescu notrly. [05:57]
mircea_popescu our good friends the suckers of america running out. [05:57]
mircea_popescu hm maybe i misspelled "the people" [05:57]
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Dimsler the ask was/is fake [05:58]
Dimsler it stopped the sell off [05:58]
Dimsler trading penny stock basics [05:58]
Dimsler he set the market and waited for a challenger [05:58]
mircea_popescu Dimsler the wall was on the sell side. [05:58]
Dimsler correct [05:58]
Dimsler but its premise could be to market make [05:59]
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Dimsler [06:00]
assbot Market maker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [06:00]
Dimsler i used to do this on cavritex [06:01]
mats_cd03 lol [06:01]
Dimsler lol [06:01]
mats_cd03 a wiki article [06:01]
ben_vulpes i... [06:01]
Dimsler right, what else did you want? [06:01]
Apocalyptic Dimsler, you're aware that here wikipedia is not particularly regarded as a worthy source of information ? [06:02]
Dimsler look [06:02]
penguirker New blog post: [06:03]
Dimsler i usually proof read wikipedia articles before i post them [06:03]
* ben_vulpes rotates head 180deg [06:03]
mircea_popescu << not a bad read, this. [06:03]
assbot Three Years on Rikers Without Trial [06:03]
mircea_popescu i wonder how many russians and how many chinese citizens are in prison for 3 years without a trial. [06:03]
Dimsler is this the black kid that they forgot about? [06:03]
Dimsler yeah i know [06:03]
mircea_popescu but something tells me that per capita, the us is like the worst human rights offender in africa [06:03]
mircea_popescu certainly not part of the first world. [06:04]
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Dimsler the majority of the five eyes are human rights tramplers [06:04]
mircea_popescu i usually proof read wikipedia articles before i post them << well the notion that market makers are a topic on which wikipedia has something to impart here.... okay :) [06:04]
Dimsler its ingrained in the anglo saxon mentality to trample rights [06:05]
ben_vulpes ;;gettrust assbot Dimsler [06:05]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask Dimsler! Trust relationship from user assbot to user Dimsler: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Tue Oct 22 13:51:07 2013 [06:05]
Dimsler mircea_popescu, i was meerly posting as interest to novice inquirers on market makers [06:05]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes i think i'm the guilty party. starting to get on yer nerves ? [06:05]
Dimsler not sure what the constant obession [06:05]
Dimsler with my wot is [06:06]
ben_vulpes it's a constant obsession with everyone's wot, Dimsler. [06:06]
ben_vulpes just curious. [06:06]
ben_vulpes sides, what do i know, i'm just the court jester [06:06]
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ben_vulpes all of these social sites - engagement is via the "submit" button. [06:08]
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Dimsler lol [06:08]
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mircea_popescu fuck that shit im changing it. [06:09]
ben_vulpes i think it's nicely apropos. [06:09]
ben_vulpes also deviantart apparently lost their "prev" and "next" buttons. [06:10]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes now trilema says send. pls to check it still worx. [06:11]
Dimsler can you change submit to capitulate [06:11]
Dimsler thats what most social media should have [06:11]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: looks good [06:11]
ben_vulpes oh no way [06:12]
ben_vulpes there's some retarded state management [06:12]
ben_vulpes navigate to galleries, get to a thing [06:12]
ben_vulpes *now* prev/next appears [06:12]
ben_vulpes this is an abuse of sessions, i tell you [06:12]
Dimsler buttons are archaic [06:13]
Dimsler its all about the swype [06:13]
Dimsler must swype [06:13]
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HeySteve hey Dimseler, how do you know it's fake volume? [06:13]
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ben_vulpes evening, Vexual [06:14]
Dimsler well it may very well not be fake volume [06:14]
ben_vulpes quit waffling Dimsler [06:14]
Dimsler shutup ben_vulpes [06:14]
Vexual good evening [06:14]
Dimsler theres only one thing guaranteed in life [06:14]
Dimsler everything else is speculation [06:15]
HeySteve sure. some guy wants out his position, he is saying "this is how much more I have to unload, the pain will continue until it's sold." [06:15]
ben_vulpes penny stock basics, it is fake volume, it's not fake volume [06:15]
dub thats pretty unlikely [06:15]
HeySteve now a larger whale is challenged to buy him out to protect his holdings [06:15]
ben_vulpes someone's a market maker, here have a wp link [06:15]
Dimsler he basically set the market at 300 [06:15]
Vexual this is sparta! [06:15]
mircea_popescu penny stock basics, it is fake volume, it's not fake volume << just about. [06:15]
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Dimsler plenty nefarious reasons to hang a large order out [06:16]
Dimsler whether its to stop a sell of [06:16]
HeySteve right, but it's $9m, I heard mentioned? probably someone has more to lose than $9m. if btc hits single digits, so probably someone will buy that much [06:16]
Dimsler he may also have alot of money [06:16]
Dimsler on the exchange in fiat [06:16]
HeySteve of course, it could be a fake. but markets are an interesting game for this reason [06:17]
Dimsler and is buying people coins [06:17]
Dimsler that are wanting to sell below $300 [06:17]
Dimsler at $295 lets say [06:17]
dub hey gais, theres a for this oslt [06:17]
dub a forum too [06:17]
mircea_popescu ^ [06:17]
ben_vulpes #bitcoin-pricetalk [06:17]
Dimsler get the fuck out here [06:18]
Dimsler what did you want to talk about? [06:18]
mircea_popescu ;;unrate Dimsler [06:18]
gribble Successfully removed your rating for Dimsler. [06:18]
mircea_popescu !down Dimsler [06:18]
-assbot- mircea_popescu, you can't do that to Dimsler. [06:18]
ben_vulpes !down Dimsler [06:18]
mircea_popescu not doing your reading in a groupo is not an excuse for not having done your reading [06:18]
mircea_popescu it's an aggravating circumstance. [06:18]
ben_vulpes dunno [06:18]
ben_vulpes not penny stocks, Dimsler [06:18]
ben_vulpes not price manip [06:19]
Dimsler i missed the groupo link somehow [06:19]
ben_vulpes kakobrekla: can we do something about this rating lag? [06:19]
ben_vulpes and by we i mean you and also please [06:19]
HeySteve I'm listening to Antifragile audio book atm. heard it mentioned bitcoin is antifragile, could it be said to be antifragile to price action? [06:19]
HeySteve (mentioned in btc circles, that is) [06:19]
mircea_popescu dude... [06:19]
ben_vulpes the price of bitcoin in whatever fiat whatever matters not one whit [06:19]
mircea_popescu this has got to be deliberate. [06:19]
Dimsler lol [06:20]
TheNewDeal !s heysteve [06:20]
assbot 1161 results for 'heysteve' : [06:20]
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ben_vulpes no, the spamgun shartup recruiter is deliberate [06:20]
ben_vulpes this is just stochastic bouncing [06:21]
mircea_popescu i guess. [06:21]
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HeySteve ok no pricetalk then [06:21]
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mircea_popescu HeySteve it's the approach not the topic that grates. [06:21]
Dimsler no you're just being an asshole [06:22]
mircea_popescu that also, but unrelatedly. [06:22]
ben_vulpes yes it is, no it's not, up is down unless the whale is pink [06:22]
ben_vulpes walls to the left, but it's a sell day, peg the price, gag me with a fork [06:23]
mircea_popescu %d [06:23]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 305626.20 in 519 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -83.73 [06:23]
ben_vulpes head and shoulders means a 260 bottom (i'll show you a bottom worth 260), sr, fucking vc's, tim draper [06:23]
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mircea_popescu that shit sure feels like forever. [06:24]
Apocalyptic ^ [06:24]
Vexual %tslb [06:24]
atcbot Time Since Last ATC Block (#45849): 0 hour(s), 13 minutes [06:24]
ben_vulpes ;;bcstats [06:24]
gribble Current Blocks: 324053 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 522 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 1 hour, 41 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35104507259.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.27831 [06:24]
HeySteve that's all very well, but bitbets are announced here. they seem like similar propositions, will price go up or down? [06:25]
TheNewDeal I usually find an animal, slice in two, read the entrails [06:25]
TheNewDeal give's a pretty good prediction [06:25]
Dimsler lol thats from south park [06:25]
TheNewDeal it's from history [06:25]
TheNewDeal they actually did it [06:26]
HeySteve the roman augurs and soothsayers, yeah [06:26]
Dimsler lol ok yes [06:26]
TheNewDeal has there been a SP that referenced bitcoin? [06:26]
Dimsler neg [06:26]
HeySteve flight of birds, guts of goats, sounds cleaner to specialise in bird flight if that's your thing [06:26]
Dimsler only simpsons [06:26]
ben_vulpes there are more things in heaven and earth Dimsler than are derped of in south park [06:26]
dub dude never read asterix comics? [06:26]
mircea_popescu i don't think they have that french pinko commie stuff in the us of a [06:27]
Dimsler the south park episodes premise was based on the fall of the roman empire [06:27]
Dimsler i am pointing out as modern satire [06:27]
HeySteve it's ironic when modern americans address the decline of rome [06:28]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: << au contraire [06:28]
assbot Search Results - Powell's Books [06:28]
mircea_popescu a nm [06:28]
thickasthieves <+HeySteve> I'm listening to Antifragile audio book atm. heard it mentioned bitcoin is antifragile, could it be said to be antifragile to price action? /// yep, pretty much everything is good for bitcoin [06:28]
ben_vulpes although i never bought 'em, i just took them to the cafe in powells and read them there [06:28]
thickasthieves reddit thinks this is a joke [06:28]
thickasthieves but its funny cuz its true [06:28]
HeySteve sure, the "this is actually good news" meme [06:29]
thickasthieves yep, it really is [06:29]
HeySteve well the drop will clean out some of the silliest, so there's that [06:29]
thickasthieves they think it's ironic cuz the news' relation to price [06:29]
thickasthieves what's good for bitcoin isnt always good for price [06:30]
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TheNewDeal nice little 1200 chunk outta that wall, for those interested of course (dimsler) [06:30]
thickasthieves i do think this is having a calibrating effect and the seller is doing a service to btc [06:30]
TheNewDeal explain [06:31]
thickasthieves i meant it pretty broadly, lots of examples [06:31]
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Dimsler lol [06:31]
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thickasthieves the exchange price disceprencies are reset [06:31]
Dimsler ofcourse hes doing everyone a favour [06:31]
thickasthieves weak hands lost coins [06:31]
thickasthieves etc [06:32]
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thickasthieves and the price will likely spike *after* he's done selling [06:32]
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thickasthieves such saintliness [06:32]
ben_vulpes classic oscillator. [06:32]
Dimsler well he basically masks everyones weak hand [06:33]
BingoBoingo [06:33]
ben_vulpes people model this shit with oscillators, right? [06:33]
TheNewDeal loving the bingoboingo art tonight [06:33]
thickasthieves lol bingo [06:33]
BingoBoingo The20YearIRCloud: Found linked on reddit [06:33]
BingoBoingo Not my original work [06:33]
The20YearIRCloud heh [06:33]
HeySteve that's pretty good [06:34]
Dimsler lol reddit [06:36]
Dimsler collection of vile scum [06:36]
Dimsler [06:36]
assbot Mastering Bitcoin: Unlocking Digital Crypto-Currencies: Andreas M. Antonopoulos: 9781449374044: Books [06:36]
Dimsler oh look andreas has a book out now [06:36]
ben_vulpes you're late, Dimsler qntra already covered it [06:36]
TheNewDeal there was an article that touched on it earlier [06:36]
TheNewDeal dimsler [06:36]
ben_vulpes this whole doing your reading thing may be distasteful but it's not optional [06:36]
assbot Image tagged in lawgs - Imgflip [06:36]
Dimsler oh for fuck sakes [06:37]
ben_vulpes it's pretty simple [06:37]
ben_vulpes !s antonopolous [06:37]
assbot 13 results for 'antonopolous' : [06:37]
ben_vulpes also [06:37]
TheNewDeal has he ever made an appearance in #ba? [06:37]
Dimsler no [06:38]
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The20YearIRCloud we should have around a 17% dividend this cycle [06:38]
Dimsler hes afraid of mircea_popescu killing him [06:38]
The20YearIRCloud based on usd/btc prices [06:38]
TheNewDeal who is the "we" you're speaking of the20yearircloud ? [06:38]
Vexual rent [06:39]
The20YearIRCloud rentalstarter [06:39]
The20YearIRCloud on havelock [06:39]
Vexual annnualizzzzed? [06:39]
The20YearIRCloud yes [06:39]
The20YearIRCloud based on .005 share price [06:39]
Vexual whats that like half pc on the average? [06:40]
ben_vulpes no << how would you know? [06:40]
Dimsler well fuck [06:41]
Dimsler i've been here since early 2013? [06:41]
Dimsler haven't heard anyone mention him ever since mircea_popescu twattered that he was going to kill him [06:41]
ben_vulpes > ever [06:41]
ben_vulpes > 2013 [06:42]
ben_vulpes mhm [06:42]
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Dimsler lol [06:42]
mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud shouldn't it be based on 0.0075 ? [06:42]
The20YearIRCloud on 0075 its around 10% [06:43]
ben_vulpes haha [06:43]
The20YearIRCloud .005 was our original ipo price [06:43]
ben_vulpes yeah how do you calculate a price for RENT [06:43]
ben_vulpes it's market until you need more cash then you freeze it [06:43]
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ben_vulpes "but our investors are cool with it broski!" [06:43]
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The20YearIRCloud this last one was specifically requested by our largest investor so he could buy shares. I tried to do it outside of havelock but they wouldn't let me [06:44]
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BingoBoingo Priorities >> [06:44]
assbot Linux 3.17 Kernel Released With Xbox One Controller Support - Slashdot [06:44]
Vexual The20YearIRCloud: When do you expect to start servicing loans? [06:44]
The20YearIRCloud we aleady have one loan [06:44]
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The20YearIRCloud unless youre talking npns [06:45]
Vexual are you using the money yet? [06:45]
ben_vulpes he couldn't buy shares at market? [06:45]
The20YearIRCloud yes [06:45]
The20YearIRCloud no shares at market were going to the company [06:45]
The20YearIRCloud and his investment would have increased price to around .02 [06:45]
ben_vulpes so you fucked everyone else. [06:45]
ben_vulpes well done. [06:46]
dub its called QE ben_vulpes [06:46]
dub it halps ok [06:46]
The20YearIRCloud Those wanting to sell below .0075 have been cleared already, and i've made it well known throuh investor communication that we had originally planned on selling more shares at the 2nd round IPO price at some time in the future [06:47]
Vexual is labour gonna get more expensive if you grow? [06:48]
ben_vulpes how is this any different from printing dollars? [06:48]
ben_vulpes or pesos? [06:48]
dub no different to mpif [06:48]
The20YearIRCloud Vexual: maybe [06:49]
Dimsler ben_vulpes, or they could just keep your bitcoins instead [06:49]
Dimsler with bots that manipulate the exchange [06:49]
The20YearIRCloud not a huge need for more IPOs, the reason for this last one was so the speicfic investor could fund a very specific property that had a good return [06:49]
The20YearIRCloud plenty of that already Dimsler [06:49]
Dimsler oh ofcourse there is [06:49]
ben_vulpes more ipos [06:49]
Dimsler lol [06:49]
ben_vulpes jesus shit [06:49]
dub Dimsler: there is such a thing as putting down the shovel [06:50]
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The20YearIRCloud my hope was $100k cash + $100k LOC and then set aside the money 50/50 for flips & rental renovations so we'd always have money for a flip, which hasn't been the case since last July [06:52]
ben_vulpes i want a "feed me live baby rats" shirt [06:52]
ben_vulpes most recent oglaf has inspired peals (i tell you PEALS) of laughter around her [06:53]
ben_vulpes here* [06:53]
ben_vulpes anyways, night scammers [06:53]
Vexual with the latest offering, what btc price kills your growth? [06:53]
The20YearIRCloud Really has no effect, but the BTC yield will look crummy at $2500 or more per BTC [06:54]
dub ur killing my growth Vexual [06:54]
Duffer1 btc skyrockets, us real estate corrects = /wrist? [06:55]
Vexual do you get paid in dollars The20YearIRCloud? [06:55]
The20YearIRCloud Yield will certanly go down, our equity position overall is pretty great when you factor our average BTC sell price. Big question is when does it correct, how far does the pricing drop? We're still about 20% lower than peaks [06:56]
The20YearIRCloud Yeah [06:56]
Vexual what did you sell the latest offering @? [06:57]
Vexual must have fucked your arerage [06:57]
The20YearIRCloud Haven't yet :( , HL has been slow on transfering BTC to us, so there's been some exposure to loss due to the massive decrease in BTC price [06:57]
The20YearIRCloud Our average overall will stand at something like $400/btc though, including the original 1,000 BTC we got on BF that was sold when BTC was around $80/btc [06:57]
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Vexual havelock must be just about operating at a loss now [07:01]
The20YearIRCloud i knd of wonder [07:01]
The20YearIRCloud from my standpoint it doesnt matter, internally we are doing great [07:02]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26300 @ 0.00074357 = 19.5559 BTC [+] {2} [07:08]
Vexual when are you moving to the 70% wage? [07:09]
The20YearIRCloud don't know, talking to investors and there's a possibility i won't [07:09]
The20YearIRCloud right now i can go to 70% on mill & logan, but instead i've personally been taking around a 25%-30% wage and just putting the rest of it back into the company account [07:10]
Vexual 53 is fairly handsome [07:10]
The20YearIRCloud havent been taking irt [07:10]
The20YearIRCloud *it [07:10]
Vexual makes sense [07:10]
The20YearIRCloud ive been taking 750-1000/mo this year out of an allowed $1500-$3500 [07:11]
Vexual i assume you're a shareholder tooo [07:11]
The20YearIRCloud yes [07:11]
The20YearIRCloud i've put almost all my btc/liquid buying stock back overlast week [07:11]
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Vexual "putting it back into the company account" this means you gift it to the company? [07:17]
Vexual or can you take it back out again? [07:17]
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The20YearIRCloud i'm tallying the difference, figure some day when company is flush with cash i'll cash out [07:27]
The20YearIRCloud but i dont plan on really taking anything out, too much incentive for me to do that [07:27]
Vexual i could hear your calculator from here [07:28]
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The20YearIRCloud its on the spreadsheet [07:29]
thickasthieves for a while the coinbase price was same as bitstamp, 300 [07:35]
thickasthieves now it's 1% higher [07:35]
thickasthieves even though bitstamp wall is still there [07:35]
thickasthieves lil skimmers [07:36]
thickasthieves its all good though, now they wont get 1% from me [07:36]
thickasthieves (was gonna arb) [07:36]
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TheNewDeal on shitstamp, if someone has 15000 coins at 300, and then I place 1 coin @ 300, how do they choose which coin is purchased? First come first serve? [07:39]
thickasthieves yes [07:40]
thickasthieves have to wait in line [07:40]
thickasthieves so sell for 299.99 [07:40]
asciilifeform re: DARPA obfuscator grants << [07:41]
assbot Logged on 05-02-2014 03:56:24; asciilifeform: i venture to say that the actual goal of general-purpose (or whatever approximation is possible) homomorphic crypto is quite different. [07:41]
asciilifeform and, in general: [07:41]
asciilifeform !s homomorphic [07:42]
assbot 23 results for 'homomorphic' : [07:42]
mircea_popescu wtf vexual is now like doing financial auditing [07:43]
mircea_popescu how long have i been away! [07:43]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: An eternity in cointime [07:43]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [07:43]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 299.41, Best ask: 300.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.59000, Last trade: 299.42, 24 hour volume: 72840.32833589, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 339.43, 24 hour vwap: 304.241790685 [07:43]
mircea_popescu 73k eh. [07:43]
TheNewDeal really now [07:43]
asciilifeform there's a reason no one but usg funds the 'homomorphic' work. it is - their wet dream. [07:44]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10524 @ 0.00074236 = 7.8126 BTC [-] [07:53]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00074236 = 9.5764 BTC [-] [08:09]
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thickasthieves [08:13]
assbot Who is Leading the Bitcoin Price Change – OKCoin Blog [08:14]
thickasthieves "As I am writing this, BitStamp & BTC-e prices (300) are 3% lower than OKCoin (311) and other Chinese exchanges, indicating users outside of China are driving down the prices, and China is following the price drop. Simple as that!" [08:14]
thickasthieves so i guess its okcoin's stamp wall [08:14]
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Vexual i still say its sparta [08:15]
thickasthieves this is [08:16]
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BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [08:20]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 300.0, vol: 74725.66270778 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 303.33, vol: 24330.77289 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 309.76, vol: 91335.63288959 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 309.99, vol: 109.04095822 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 309.718512, vol: 76657.88270000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 304.9, vol: 53.23614283 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 327.997737405, vol: 150.19677005 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message) [08:20]
xanthyos BingoBoingo: why is thedrinkingrecord down? [08:25]
BingoBoingo xanthyos: Hosting company messing with servers [08:25]
xanthyos wow [08:25]
thickasthieves coinbase price 312 now [08:26]
thickasthieves fukn asshats [08:26]
thickasthieves lol that Circle test i wanted to do a few days ago, they said my purchase "failed" [08:28]
thickasthieves Status: Canceled [08:28]
thickasthieves thats all the info [08:28]
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penguirker New blog post: [08:30]
thickasthieves Circle price is 304 +8.82 in fees fwiw... [08:31]
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BingoBoingo thickasthieves: You know unlike silver this seems the perfect way to break JP Morgan. Buy BTC with credit cards, send to external address default on the card. [08:39]
thickasthieves yeah pretty good leak [08:39]
thickasthieves bitcoin is proof that black holes exist [08:39]
thickasthieves :) [08:39]
Vexual spend the next 8 years chillin with ross [08:40]
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* Vexual likes : telling me shit i din't know [08:47]
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punkman [08:48]
assbot The Forgotten Lessons We Learned & Mt Gox. [08:48]
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mircea_popescu ;;ticker [09:06]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 299.99, Best ask: 300.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 300.0, 24 hour volume: 75859.24168345, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 335.0, 24 hour vwap: 303.733033662 [09:06]
Duffer1 lower than btce i [09:09]
Duffer1 i don' think i've ever seen that before [09:09]
cazalla happened a few times this year [09:10]
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RagnarDanneskjol !s tea leaves [09:16]
assbot 12 results for 'tea leaves' : [09:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35156 @ 0.0007423 = 26.0963 BTC [-] {2} [09:22]
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Vexual im with tat, i think this 300 wall is designed to have some kind of glvanizing effect [09:26]
Vexual not like the galvanic scale, but, like, you know [09:27]
RagnarDanneskjol designed by whom [09:27]
Vexual like the chemical boothers song [09:27]
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Vexual perhaps im just distrustful of forbes [15:17]
mircea_popescu ah brother, what a night. [15:17]
Vexual what happened? [15:17]
mircea_popescu i have that distinct feeling experienced by the commander of a relief unit upon taking over at 8am the utterly battered but holding units of the nightguard regiment, surrouinded by a pile of corpses as high as the battlements [15:18]
mircea_popescu fucking love the smell of napalm in the morning. [15:18]
Vexual sat agent orange right? [15:18]
mircea_popescu sure. [15:18]
mats_cd03 not a lot of things translate well to mandarin [15:18]
mircea_popescu also sure. [15:19]
Vexual damn he got fucked good [15:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17150 @ 0.00074579 = 12.7903 BTC [+] {3} [15:23]
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Vexual you okay boss? [15:29]
* Vexual makes coffee [15:30]
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mircea_popescu %d [15:33]
mircea_popescu o i see how it is. [15:34]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00074173 = 5.4146 BTC [-] [15:35]
Vexual [15:36]
mircea_popescu no, moarlike [15:37]
assbot Pavarotti La Donna e Mobile Moscow 1964 - YouTube [15:37]
Vexual now theres a man that likes an aritchoke or two [15:39]
Vexual he look better without a beard [15:41]
BingoBoingo You know it's fitting that Oreilly's animal department sorts Andreas's work as the "Ant Book" [15:44]
mircea_popescu lol [15:44]
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BingoBoingo What the fuck Amazon [15:44]
mircea_popescu o.O [15:45]
BingoBoingo !up Diablo-D3 [15:46]
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Vexual any more good voices mircea_popescu? im almost outta spanish wine [15:46]
Diablo-D3 BingoBoingo: what part of it [15:46]
Diablo-D3 like, you know what a data uri is right? [15:46]
mircea_popescu Vexual [15:47]
assbot Maria Callas Opera Arias : La Traviata, Norma, Madama Butterfly, Lucia di Lammermoor & many others - YouTube [15:47]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: speaking of which [15:47]
Diablo-D3 [15:47]
assbot polyphonic overtone singing - Anna-Maria Hefele - YouTube [15:47]
mircea_popescu why do they do all this intro stuff. [15:48]
mircea_popescu first some random logos. then "hi im x and im going to do y" [15:48]
mircea_popescu but other than that she's ok. [15:49]
Vexual shit, coitus interuptus, but still [15:50]
Vexual she'd be good on the didgeridoo [15:52]
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Vexual mot much magic in it tho [15:54]
Vexual maria callas id happily die to [15:58]
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BingoBoingo Oh, Bloomberg explicitly does politics nao [16:02]
assbot Can America Root for a Town That Can't Root for Its Team? - Bloomberg Politics [16:02]
Diablo-D3 bloomberg is slowly becoming a real news outlet [16:02]
Vexual we had this converation [16:03]
Diablo-D3 which Im honestly okay with [16:03]
Diablo-D3 even if they just repeat the usual bullshit, we still need more of them [16:03]
punkman BingoBoingo: making website faster by embedding base64 encoded images in the HTML, just doesn't feel right [16:03]
mircea_popescu it's bad for caching at any rate. [16:03]
mircea_popescu if every time a browser asked for a trilema page it actually had to get all the images as base64 i'd have a major problem on my hands. [16:04]
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Diablo-D3 punkman: it depends entirely on what you're doing [16:09]
Diablo-D3 like, you can shove that into css [16:09]
Diablo-D3 and then cache the css [16:09]
punkman Diablo-D3: whether it feels right doesn't depend on anything [16:09]
punkman whether it works and how well, that's another matter [16:10]
mircea_popescu Diablo-D3 the problem isn't the serverside caching, but the client side caches. [16:11]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: erm, why do you think I was talking about serverside caching? [16:11]
mircea_popescu virtually all browsers know enough to not redld a navigation pic, but virtually all will re-dld the base64 blob [16:11]
Diablo-D3 its about cutting down on the cost of http connection cost [16:11]
Diablo-D3 its easier to base64 stuff for small images than it is to make explicit requests for them [16:12]
Vexual this is why pankakkke left [16:12]
mircea_popescu but the browser will only request them once. [16:12]
mircea_popescu Vexual quite possible. [16:12]
Diablo-D3 its also why building sprite layouts are so damned nice [16:12]
mircea_popescu sigh. [16:12]
mircea_popescu the web is not an extension of cable tv. [16:12]
Diablo-D3 Vexual: why, because this channel no longer serves its purpose? Ive been considering taking this off my autojoin [16:13]
Vexual no, [16:13]
Vexual o dunno [16:13]
Vexual i think he got shitty about some conversation or other [16:14]
Vexual hes prolly just got some shithot contracty eating up bullshittier bullhit and hell be back [16:15]
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mircea_popescu Duffer1: 2.75% is obscene << i thought paypal was doing like 3.5 [16:16]
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Apocalyptic %d [16:17]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 305828.28 in 507 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -83.72 [16:17]
Apocalyptic still 500 blocks, damn [16:17]
mircea_popescu Duffer1: i would neverrrr let some random asshat at a market scan a card << definitely. i don't understand all the geriatric derps giving away their card in like restaurants and whatnot. it's patent insanity, like a third of restaurant workers are on drugs, it's the junkie central. more so than jail. [16:18]
mircea_popescu and then you're going to give them the most broken implementation of pgp and let them be provately for fifteen minutes ? [16:18]
mircea_popescu nuts. [16:18]
Duffer1 iirc paypal and square have the same rates [16:19]
Duffer1 = too much [16:19]
mircea_popescu maybe pp went down to match. or maybe i;m way behind the times. [16:19]
mircea_popescu!!-fee-for-paypal [16:19]
mircea_popescu maybe not. [16:19]
mircea_popescu 2.9% + 30c [16:20]
mircea_popescu hi Naphex [16:20]
Duffer1 ah 3.5 for manual entry (no reader) [16:21]
punkman I think it goes to 4% or so when I send "friends and family" [16:21]
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mircea_popescu going to the records of the past 6 hours... dude it's great being on the side of the invincible doom. [16:23]
mircea_popescu fluffypony: Fluffypony? << fluffypony! [16:24]
Vexual this is sparta! [16:25]
fluffypony AND MY AXE! [16:25]
Vexual your in son [16:25]
BingoBoingo Of course being the invicible doom is great. Have you seen the corpses the nightguard put up? [16:25]
mircea_popescu thickasthieves: <<< no "krugman derps on his times blog, then mp pens a fuck you post and then all hell breaks lose" ? i'd have preferred that approach. [16:25]
assbot Krugmania: As Bitcoin's Price Falls, The NYT Pundit Takes A (Very?) Premature Victory Lap - Forbes [16:25]
mircea_popescu if nothing else, it's truer to history. [16:25]
punkman [16:28]
assbot Desperate: How long to hold out / What would you do in my situation : Bitcoin [16:28]
mircea_popescu ahhh, what reddit's for. [16:29]
kakobrekla >but I chose to make this account because my girlfriend is a redditor too and I don't want to get any backlash by posting this on my main account. [16:29]
kakobrekla lol [16:29]
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punkman "I cannot understand why this is happening. I made some serious money several times but for the past 6 months or so I have taken huge losses." [16:30]
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mircea_popescu universal advice for all redditard problems : 1. quit reddit never to return ; 2. quit your current bs "job/studies" and get a real job ; 3. quit your current bs" relationship", spend a year celibate then get a real relationship ; 4. stop saying high to your current "friends" [16:31]
Vexual do you forbes fluffypony? you're the funniest cunt on this hemisphere [16:31]
mircea_popescu punkman yeah srsly i wonder why this is happening. [16:31]
fluffypony Vexual: Forbes? like the magazine? [16:31]
Vexual no like trolling the bloggers [16:32]
mircea_popescu Vexual fluffypony is not the funniest cunt, kakobrekla is the funniest cunt. [16:32]
punkman different hemispheres [16:32]
Vexual is he southern hemisphere? [16:32]
mircea_popescu ow shit. [16:32]
punkman wait isn't Somalia in the south one [16:32]
mircea_popescu pwned by geometry in my own web of longitudes [16:32]
mircea_popescu ;;google is somalia even a real cuntry [16:33]
gribble Piracy in Somalia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; History of Somalia (1991–2006) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Why is Somalia still even called a "country"? - Democratic Underground: (1 more message) [16:33]
kakobrekla lolk [16:33]
punkman guess it's right above the line [16:33]
mircea_popescu i got the answer to that, dear democratic underground. IT'S BECAUSE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE WORLD WORKS! [16:33]
Vexual kakobrekla IS FROM SOMALIA? [16:33]
mircea_popescu no [16:33]
mircea_popescu but somalia is from kakobrekla [16:33]
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Vexual bitchin [16:34]
mircea_popescu we totally need someone from nigeria incidentally. anyone know a nigerian ? [16:34]
BingoBoingo Wait, I thought kakobrekla was the funniest cock, but sounds like tits... [16:34]
mircea_popescu preferably a banging euro chick, 1m80 with blue eyes [16:34]
mircea_popescu but i'd settle for less. [16:34]
* Vexual puts his hand up [16:34]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Maybe throw it in the orderbook? [16:35]
Vexual i can get you 10money washin email sending nigerians here tommorrow [16:35]
mats_cd03 kako is from slovakia [16:35]
mircea_popescu mats_cd03 nuh-uh. [16:35]
mircea_popescu he's from slovenly [16:36]
mats_cd03 huk [16:36]
mircea_popescu jurov is from slovakia [16:36]
mats_cd03 o rite [16:36]
mats_cd03 ;;ud huk [16:36]
gribble | Words related to Huk ... huk huk huk dood my ugly fat cuzzin isnt cummin ova tho otay? ... -fuk naw, thats skoo iz hella (huk), n i aint tryna get shot. by jr_inc. [16:36]
mircea_popescu (albeit the difference is nigg-legible) [16:36]
Vexual you're fuckin with my dislexia now [16:38]
mircea_popescu ;;seen JuliaTourianski [16:39]
gribble JuliaTourianski was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 13 hours, 17 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: that's one of the best reactions I've gotten. at least they're not discussing what i look like. [16:39]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell JuliaTourianski oi! [16:39]
gribble The operation succeeded. [16:39]
RagnarDanneskjol imma see her at the vegas thing later today [16:40]
mircea_popescu tell her to say hi [16:42]
RagnarDanneskjol i'll give her a big wet kiss for you [16:42]
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BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [16:46]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 325.0, vol: 93573.34211630 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 326.534, vol: 25927.10737 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 332.5, vol: 89113.6403918 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 325.26, vol: 121.4857689 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 332.873904, vol: 79006.44170000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 337.48812, vol: 64.31767626 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 326.248, vol: 165.84079253 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) [16:46]
mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol> i'll give her a big wet kiss for you << mp suddenly caught a glimpse of his own old age ;/ [16:47]
mircea_popescu i'll have all these numerous hotties i can no longer fuck, that other people will be sucking the life out of, "for me". [16:47]
RagnarDanneskjol ahaa [16:48]
mircea_popescu i guess it's better to end up as the deified avatar of human relations than any alternative fate. [16:48]
RagnarDanneskjol sure [16:48]
mats_cd03 i'm about to cross the horizon [16:48]
mats_cd03 of the ego black hole [16:49]
Vexual that wont translae into madarin well at all [16:49]
mats_cd03 wish me luck [16:49]
mircea_popescu tho being an oversized scorpion dragonfly would be pretty cool too [16:49]
mircea_popescu mats_cd03 where you goin; ? [16:49]
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kakobrekla sounds like he'll be smoking DMT or some shit [16:49]
mircea_popescu if this guy kills himself and then there's no end of media wanting to know "what was he like" [16:50]
Vexual yah or 3 tabs of acid [16:50]
mircea_popescu i swear to god ima train a bot to say "he was a quiet guy, wenevercouldhaveimagined" etc [16:50]
BingoBoingo "I dunno seemed like he had some legitimate greviances they way he said it..." [16:51]
mircea_popescu "it was the government dude" [16:51]
mircea_popescu then the news reports all over forbes, "financial world epidemic extends to bitcoin : b-a participant in hong kong found stapled to death" [16:52]
Vexual father of 24 and bitcoin advocate mats cd, aged whatever tranceded last night in whatevr county [16:52]
mircea_popescu you know that's not a bad honorific ? "bitcoin's advocate general", sort-of like a grand inquisitor [16:53]
BingoBoingo Illinois man literally disappears into thin air. IRC channel suspects lasers involved. [16:53]
mircea_popescu in your case BingoBoingo [16:53]
mats_cd03 i was referring to the ego madness that is being in your periphery mircea_popescu [16:54]
mircea_popescu im pretty sure it would be thick air. [16:54]
mircea_popescu mats_cd03 oh! [16:54]
mircea_popescu you meant MY ego ?!?!?!11?!? [16:54]
mats_cd03 indeed [16:54]
mircea_popescu unfathomable. [16:55]
mats_cd03 although 3 tabs of acid sounds pleasant [16:55]
mircea_popescu make it two tabs and a supository. [16:55]
Vexual thats not wha i read on erowid [16:56]
mircea_popescu acid fingertrap. [16:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21841 @ 0.00074172 = 16.1999 BTC [-] {2} [16:56]
Vexual yeah youll need your fingers for looking at and shit [16:56]
mats_cd03 i once sobbed over the beauty of the universe while sitting on the shore of a lake watching a bird [16:57]
Vexual dub was asking after some viagra earlier [16:57]
mats_cd03 its like... the cycle of life, man. [16:57]
mats_cd03 09:50:12 <+mircea_popescu> then the news reports all over forbes, "financial world epidemic extends to bitcoin : b-a participant in hong kong found stapled to death" >> wtf that is terrifying [16:58]
mircea_popescu yw. [16:58]
Vexual id be stapled to death [16:59]
Vexual no problem, id still be fresh for work the next day [16:59]
Vexual wait death? [17:00]
lampelina [17:01]
assbot Bitcoin Sell Wall of Death Being Chomped [17:01]
kakobrekla bottom gif is funny [17:02]
Vexual drop dead fred is on it? [17:03]
Vexual i got couldfared [17:03]
mircea_popescu hey lampelina what are you doing these days ? [17:04]
lampelina cooking [17:04]
lampelina and cleaning [17:04]
kakobrekla lel [17:04]
lampelina why, looking for a cook? :D [17:04]
mircea_popescu lampelina no, that i have, but how would you like trying to write an article for the qntra thing ? [17:04]
lampelina article about what [17:05]
mircea_popescu bitcoin news. [17:05]
mircea_popescu and speaking of which [17:05]
Vexual qntra, thats it! [17:05]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell hanbot hey you have till friday to write an article and get cazalla to accept it! [17:05]
gribble The operation succeeded. [17:05]
lampelina maybe-do tell more [17:06]
mircea_popescu lampelina im actually writing it up, so i'll drop you a link in an hour. [17:06]
lampelina I'm far from expert on BTC btw [17:06]
lampelina in fact I know very little about it [17:07]
mircea_popescu yeah but you can ask kako. [17:07]
lampelina true [17:07]
Vexual lampalina that sell wall chomped article dropped there preciously (qntra) [17:07]
mircea_popescu unlike most girls that hang out with some reddit derp who has no clue. [17:07]
mircea_popescu so advantage you. [17:07]
lampelina indeed :) [17:08]
kakobrekla im busy [17:08]
lampelina shut up kakobrekla [17:08]
mircea_popescu don't be an asshole kako! [17:08]
mircea_popescu i got the patent. [17:08]
Vexual and ive got a thing wot says i can use the notion [17:09]
Vexual as i se fit disregardless if i remeber anything [17:10]
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Vexual actually i don;t want t be too much of a bother, but i think you'll find that patent is actually mine [17:14]
Vexual you haven't been using it have oyu? [17:14]
Vexual yeah i just checked with my lawyer [17:15]
kakobrekla [17:17]
assbot Optimism shouldn't be a personal disposition. You want flight attendants to be "optimistic", pilots to be "pessimistic" not the opposite. [17:17]
kakobrekla same goes for "asshole" [17:17]
kakobrekla but alright imma help [17:18]
kakobrekla you exploiter you! [17:18]
Vexual id love to try to convince a judge im a bigger asshole than popescue [17:19]
mircea_popescu knowing how to exploit is half the orgams. [17:20]
Vexual contempting the court wins? [17:20]
kakobrekla lampelina you should get your securitah up. [17:21]
BingoBoingo Vexual: Well, you have to hold the court in contempt first. It is a race [17:21]
Vexual ah yes bb, i don't see things like that though [17:21]
Vexual i ws an asshole first and all [17:21]
mircea_popescu push up bra for securitits ?! [17:22]
Vexual whoawhat? [17:22]
Vexual now im confused with vampirealla [17:22]
BingoBoingo Vexual: Vampire-Allah-Akbar? [17:23]
mircea_popescu if only russ meyer would have directed barbarella... [17:25]
Vexual [17:25]
mircea_popescu imagine, a mostly nude teenaged jane fonda with a bunch of bosomy chicks, doing trippy shit [17:25]
Vexual do tell [17:26]
mircea_popescu nothing to tell, you gotta be there. [17:26]
Vexual but its a failm [17:27]
Vexual fuck my typos [17:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00074255 = 15.2223 BTC [+] [17:27]
Vexual whattabout sophia lauren in silk road? [17:29]
Vexual as "the real" dread pirate roberts [17:30]
mats_cd03 [17:30]
assbot Man in inflatable bubble rescued off coast of Florida - [17:31]
mats_cd03 and of course an accompanying video [17:31]
assbot Reza Baluchi - Paddle Bubble - YouTube [17:31]
TomServo Almost 2K BTC left the Ethereum wallet Saturday. [17:31]
Vexual was the dude in a bubble playing mario bros? [17:33]
BingoBoingo [17:34]
assbot Bitcoin Address 36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2 [17:34]
Vexual wheres your collar? [17:35]
mircea_popescu [17:36]
assbot Who's Afraid of the Workers' Revolution? : The Freeman : Foundation for Economic Education [17:36]
mircea_popescu i don't recall, do we like j tucker ? [17:36]
Vexual why not [17:38]
mircea_popescu no idea [17:38]
mircea_popescu !s tucker [17:38]
assbot 27 results for 'tucker' : [17:38]
Vexual you can sign up to uber thru a nigerian here [17:41]
Vexual don't ask me how the fuck that works [17:42]
Vexual im guessing the cat don't sport a bowtie tho [17:43]
Vexual and so it follow he probably just wants the papers to your late model car or some such [17:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 107 @ 0.16442015 = 17.593 BTC [+] {10} [17:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.16499999 = 0.66 BTC [+] {2} [17:46]
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Vexual theres is no left and right anymore [17:54]
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Vexual satoshi read hashcash and liked it, kids are reading real things [17:55]
BingoBoingo Vexual: Did you step on a boat? Look port and starboard. [17:55]
thickasthieves ;;ticker [17:56]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 333.13, Best ask: 333.33, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 332.02, 24 hour volume: 95391.41421327, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 335.0, 24 hour vwap: 305.254321266 [17:56]
Vexual well left and right are things, but, im talkin... [17:56]
Vexual like, its a big vloud and shit [17:56]
thickasthieves [17:57]
assbot dpaste: 3TB87DT: Deleted From Reddit - Whale Was Goxcoin Creator, by tat [17:57]
mircea_popescu lol why'd it beleete it ? [17:58]
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rithm 'spiracy [17:58]
thickasthieves either reddit or researched deleted it shortly after posting [17:59]
thickasthieves but twas cached in my feed reader [17:59]
thickasthieves researcher* [17:59]
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mircea_popescu aha [18:00]
thickasthieves apparently i'm not the only one Circle didnt process purchases for [18:01]
thickasthieves did 1btc to test, order failed - canceled [18:02]
mircea_popescu plenty of such reports yes. [18:03]
mircea_popescu pity all their efforts turned out to be in vain huh. [18:04]
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mircea_popescu must suck. [18:04]
BingoBoingo So circle's just another pre-order scam? [18:05]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo not per se, but pretty much all the usg-collaborationist services either stopped or delayed usd to btc purchases yest. [18:06]
mircea_popescu "it was supposed to go down" [18:06]
thickasthieves lol i'm trying to use their customer support to find out why, [18:06]
thickasthieves and also giving some feedback [18:07]
thickasthieves 500 character limit... [18:07]
thickasthieves i mean cmon [18:07]
mircea_popescu because reasons, of course. [18:07]
mircea_popescu lampelina [18:07]
assbot Introducing the qntra pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [18:07]
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thickasthieves it doesnt even tell me how many characters i have used [18:08]
mircea_popescu and btw cazalla, put a quantcast code on the thing [18:08]
thickasthieves no room to complain about that tho! [18:08]
thickasthieves ;;ticker [18:09]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 342.02, Best ask: 343.21, Bid-ask spread: 1.19000, Last trade: 342.01, 24 hour volume: 97594.75181671, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 344.87, 24 hour vwap: 306.12354108 [18:09]
thickasthieves but but 275? [18:09]
mircea_popescu greatest country in the world [18:10]
mircea_popescu or was it richest ? [18:10]
thickasthieves surely it's richest in some things [18:10]
thickasthieves organic mass [18:10]
bounce oh the fertility of bullshit [18:10]
mircea_popescu lol im sure india is richer in dung [18:10]
bounce should be great for biodiesel [18:11]
mircea_popescu biodiesel is such nonsense anyway. what do you need fuel for if there's not a bunch of derps anymore, going from parking lot to parking lot ? [18:11]
mircea_popescu here's some simple math : if 10 bn people peak oil = year 2064, 100mn people peak oil = year 7014 [18:12]
mats_cd03 Vexual: its a song from shrek 2 [18:12]
mats_cd03 'holding out for a hero' frou frou [18:13]
thickasthieves i went for a walk and this little girl was playing on her swing chanting the "Everything Is Awesome!" chorus [18:13]
mats_cd03 das cute [18:13]
thickasthieves I went to a football game and everyone was chanting "Third Down For What?!" [18:14]
thickasthieves same day [18:14]
thickasthieves hankuna matata [18:14]
thickasthieves hakuna* [18:14]
thickasthieves or sumth [18:15]
thickasthieves Jacksonville Jaguars have the largest screens in the world or something [18:15]
thickasthieves each of the two wraps like 25% of the place [18:16]
thickasthieves they have two glass pools on the second tier, where fans can drink and watch the game and be watched by people watching the game [18:16]
thickasthieves on the screens [18:17]
mircea_popescu pools as in, water filled ? [18:17]
thickasthieves yes [18:17]
mircea_popescu so wait, you take the bitches for a swim while the game [18:17]
thickasthieves yep [18:17]
mircea_popescu and the plebs watch her tits jiggle ? [18:17]
thickasthieves yep [18:17]
mircea_popescu gangam style. [18:17]
thickasthieves and watch bros bro [18:17]
thickasthieves then clowns not dressed as clowns firr tshirts from cannons every 20min [18:18]
thickasthieves fire* [18:18]
thickasthieves meanwhile i'm trading on my tablet buying at 276 [18:19]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: got a broken link [18:19]
assbot Page not found pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [18:19]
mircea_popescu aw [18:19]
mircea_popescu missing http does that. fixed ty [18:22]
penguirker New blog post: [18:23]
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BingoBoingo reddit lulz [18:23]
assbot You're not gonna like this, but Willy from Mt. Gox, was a group of people, with the major player being: Jeff Garzik. : Bitcoin [18:23]
mircea_popescu what's not to like ? [18:25]
BingoBoingo Everything is to like, except that which is for to love. [18:26]
thickasthieves also, so what if he was Willy [18:26]
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mircea_popescu wait. is the thesis that the willy REPORT was authored by mostly garzik [18:28]
mircea_popescu or that he wrote the php code for the actual bot on karpeles' exchange or what ? [18:28]
thickasthieves or that he was manning the whole thing [18:29]
mthreat mircea murdoch! [18:29]
thickasthieves i'm not sure why i'd care to discern any of those [18:29]
[]bot Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $260 before November" Odds: 25(Y):75(N) by coin, 26(Y):74(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.5742731 BTC. Current weight: 88,477. [18:29]
mircea_popescu mthreat im not old enough [18:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29800 @ 0.00074294 = 22.1396 BTC [+] {2} [18:31]
mircea_popescu thickasthieves "Go ahead, prove me wrong. I want you to." ? whay are we reading derppit again ? [18:31]
mircea_popescu "[–]PWNY_EVEREADY 1 point 8 minutes ago Ahh what a community! A key bitcoin core developer was scamming/ripping off the community he supposedly believes in. Who needs regulation amirite?" i guess we have the new party line, if nothing else. [18:31]
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thickasthieves well reddit is good for one thing, churning fresh bitcoin text [18:32]
mircea_popescu they gotta learn to make better astroturf reddit accts, incidentally. [18:33]
[]bot Bet created: "Bitcoin to rise above $600 before December" [18:34]
thickasthieves nice pricepoint choice [18:36]
[]bot Bet placed: 1.111 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to rise above $600 before December" Odds: 94(Y):6(N) by coin, 94(Y):6(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.211 BTC. Current weight: 99,994. [18:38]
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mircea_popescu !up Newar [18:39]
-assbot- You voiced Newar for 30 minutes. [18:39]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13979 @ 0.00074367 = 10.3958 BTC [+] {2} [18:40]
kakobrekla heh thickasthieves [18:42]
assbot Logged on 20-09-2014 02:11:34; kakobrekla: if you cant buy it, price is irrelevant [18:42]
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thickasthieves indeed [18:45]
kakobrekla [18:52]
assbot BitBet - BTC worth over $5000 before 2015 :: 5.56 B (8%) on Yes, 63.92 B (92%) on No | closing in 2 months 1 day| weight: 18`745 (100`000 to 1) [18:52]
kakobrekla someone really needs to put up a site "derp for btc" to serve as craigslist [18:52]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 59 @ 0.1379006 = 8.1361 BTC [-] [18:56]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.11972744 BTC to 15`436 shares, 7254 satoshi per share [19:01]
BingoBoingo [19:03]
assbot Has North Koreas Kim Jong Un Been Toppled? - The Daily Beast [19:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 3.76046076 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 327 satoshi per share [19:03]
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BingoBoingo !up jborkl [19:07]
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BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats [19:11]
gribble Current Blocks: 324137 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 438 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 21 hours, 9 minutes, and 28 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35238654726.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.66533 [19:11]
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BingoBoingo Oh, by defeating WhaleBearPig we apparently earned another diff increase [19:12]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo that'd be the best nrws evar [19:12]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Why because if Kim is deposed Obama must be following soon after? [19:13]
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danielpbarron !up brianhoffman [19:21]
danielpbarron ugh, lost ident; someone wanna get this? [19:22]
danielpbarron it'll take me a few minutes [19:22]
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TomServo !up brianhoffman [19:23]
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brianhoffman thank you [19:23]
brianhoffman assbot... [19:23]
danielpbarron he's the OpenBazaar guy [19:23]
TomServo Ah, welcome [19:23]
brianhoffman I’m trying to get @dionyziz in here [19:23]
brianhoffman he’s spearheading the trust work [19:23]
danielpbarron ;;gettrust brianhoffman [19:23]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user brianhoffman: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never [19:23]
brianhoffman him and his professor [19:23]
danielpbarron you'll want to get in the WoT if you want to be taken seriously [19:24]
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danielpbarron which shouldn't be hard to do for a couple of devs [19:24]
brianhoffman @dionyziz i believe is already [19:25]
brianhoffman I will work on it [19:25]
danielpbarron ;;gettrust dionyziz [19:25]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user dionyziz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Wed Jun 8 13:05:32 2011 [19:25]
brianhoffman ok or not [19:25]
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brianhoffman his work has mostly been around pgp wot [19:26]
danielpbarron he is; just not in my L2 [19:26]
brianhoffman ok [19:26]
danielpbarron i'll give him a +1 when i get authed again [19:26]
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brianhoffman i just shot him a msg so maybe he’ll jump in [19:26]
danielpbarron what is this I've heard about a decentralized reputation system? [19:27]
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danielpbarron and can the idea be applied instead to this gribble WoT [19:28]
brianhoffman well we are exploring this potentially. admittedly it is a much loftier goal than expected at first. [19:28]
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brianhoffman this is all very notional at the moment though. [19:28]
brianhoffman have you read the paper dionysis put out about this so far? [19:29]
danielpbarron i figured as much, or else it would already be a think in here [19:29]
TheNewDeal ;;bc,stats [19:29]
gribble Current Blocks: 324137 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 438 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 21 hours, 9 minutes, and 28 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35238654726.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.66533 [19:29]
danielpbarron thing* // re: the paper, no [19:29]
punkman danielpbarron: we could have 10 gribbles and you could check that counterparty is authed against X of those [19:29]
brianhoffman [19:29]
assbot [19:29]
brianhoffman sorry for links if you all are against that crap in here but i figured it’s easiest to just link you over [19:30]
TheNewDeal oh we link [19:30]
danielpbarron links are fine as long as they aren't videos without tits [19:30]
brianhoffman :P [19:31]
brianhoffman ok well so what is your main interest here? just that we are trying to reinvent the wheel? [19:31]
brianhoffman or that you think we’re idiots in general :P [19:31]
danielpbarron a little of both [19:31]
punkman "Global trust is trust towards a particular individual which is seen as the same from all members of the network. Projected trust is established through a pseudonymous partial knowledge web-of-trust, while global trust is established through proof-of-burn and proof-of-timelock mechanisms." [19:32]
danielpbarron but you joined here, so there might be hope [19:32]
punkman we don't have timelocks yet [19:32]
brianhoffman which is why at the moment we’re leveraging proof of burn [19:32]
punkman well that's silly [19:32]
brianhoffman we’re following the Peter Todd BIP [19:32]
brianhoffman and what not [19:32]
brianhoffman but this is all not slated for the next week’s release here [19:33]
danielpbarron i like proof of burn -- that's why XCP is still a thing, and mastercoin isn't [19:33]
brianhoffman proof of burn is fine. at the moment we’re doing it wrong and spamming the UTXO [19:33]
brianhoffman we will be leveraging op_return in the next release hopefully [19:33]
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brianhoffman at the moment the entire project is under code review [19:33]
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brianhoffman our project has great breadth and we’re certainly not interested in stepping on toes or making grandiose claims about any one area [19:34]
brianhoffman we would love to collaborate where possible [19:34]
brianhoffman i know that Dionysis feels the same way so please don’t be turned off by anything we throw out there as we’re not trying to stomp out others who are smarter on this stuff [19:34]
brianhoffman feel free to destroy anything we publish so we can evolve [19:35]
brianhoffman that’s why i’ve come to your IRC instead of just insulting @danielbarron more [19:35]
brianhoffman :) [19:35]
punkman "In OpenBazaar, the participants are inherently pseudonymous. In this setting, we wish to maintain an identity for each node. This identity is strictly distinct from the operator's real-world identity." [19:35]
danielpbarron i like gribble the way it is so far, but I think I saw discussion in here some time ago about making it decentralized; that's why I figured you might have something interesting to say [19:35]
punkman that probably won't work [19:35]
brianhoffman ok so the folks from freenet argued that as well [19:36]
brianhoffman i’m interested to hear your justification though [19:36]
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pete_dushenski "The new [French cybersecurity] rules include fines of as much as 750,000 euros for companies that fail government security audits, and demand that French businesses reconsider their technology choices to focus on certified -- mostly ‘‘made in France” -- products." [19:37]
thickasthieves to prevent central party from acting evil or from being acted evil upon [19:38]
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punkman brianhoffman: some things to consider here perhaps [19:38]
assbot Anonimity, or the urban versus rural dispute. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [19:38]
assbot Anonimity : not for the poor. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [19:38]
brianhoffman ok i will read. [19:39]
thestringpuller wtf is even going on [19:40]
thestringpuller i'm gone for 2 days [19:41]
brianhoffman hey i hate to run but i have to. I heard from @dionyziz and he said he will be able to drop in a little later. I will DM you on Twitter @danielpbarron when he’s available and then just drop in say hey to continue the talk if you don’t mind. [19:41]
brianhoffman i don’t think this is a short convo anyways [19:41]
brianhoffman he’s on a “jog" [19:41]
punkman brianhoffman: the gist is: just use GPG identities and let silk road be silk road [19:42]
brianhoffman now that’s no fun, just giving up the ghost :P [19:42]
brianhoffman i hear you and i’ll be back [19:42]
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mircea_popescu ;;ticker [19:45]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 341.04, Best ask: 341.89, Bid-ask spread: 0.85000, Last trade: 341.89, 24 hour volume: 87215.20972272, 24 hour low: 281.2, 24 hour high: 347.0, 24 hour vwap: 309.778317883 [19:46]
danielpbarron ;;rate dionyziz 1 OpenBazaar, [19:46]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user dionyziz has been recorded. [19:46]
assbot Dionysis Zindros (@dionyziz) | Twitter [19:46]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: how many profit centers does MPIF have left? [19:46]
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mircea_popescu thestringpuller like 3 [19:46]
mircea_popescu !up oda_krell [19:46]
-assbot- You voiced oda_krell for 30 minutes. [19:46]
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[]bot Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to rise above $600 before December" Odds: 52(Y):48(N) by coin, 52(Y):48(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.211 BTC. Current weight: 99,876. [19:47]
thestringpuller man i have too much to catch up on [19:47]
thestringpuller all these statements on trilema and new articles [19:47]
thestringpuller i was gone 1 day [19:47]
mircea_popescu trilema waits for no one [19:47]
thickasthieves openbazaar is darkmarketwotcoin [19:48]
thickasthieves or such [19:48]
bounce but it's open! [19:49]
mircea_popescu "OpenBazaar is an open source project to create a decentralized network for commerce online—using Bitcoin—that has no fees and cannot be censored." [19:49]
mircea_popescu so basically what, ebay but sovereign ? [19:49]
mircea_popescu "He forks therefore he leads" lol. what do you do bri o wow he left huh [19:50]
dignork well, there would be fees for escrow services [19:50]
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oda_krell I suppose the 10min temp voice is one's chance to really shine in here, huh? Song and dance routine maybe? Anyway, don't have anything to really say right now, but I like to lurk from time to time. [19:51]
ben_vulpes oda_krell: it's 30 minutes [19:51]
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mircea_popescu oda_krell half hour, but basically yes. [19:52]
thestringpuller ;;calc 399811.74163205 * 0.00000170 [19:53]
gribble 0.679679960774 [19:53]
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mircea_popescu brianhoffman: well we are exploring this potentially. admittedly it is a much loftier goal than expected at first. << myeah. [19:54]
mircea_popescu !up nomos__ [19:54]
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mircea_popescu punkman: danielpbarron: we could have 10 gribbles and you could check that counterparty is authed against X of those << i recall discussions about wot bridges in here too. none of it is insurmontable, except, making a p2p wot. [19:55]
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mircea_popescu which is why the multicentral approach seems to me better. [19:56]
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mircea_popescu danielpbarron: links are fine as long as they aren't videos without tits << hm, thinking about it, that's exacly the rule, isn't it ? observant daniel. [19:56]
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thestringpuller ;;calc 399811.74163205 * 0.00000190 [19:57]
gribble 0.759642309101 [19:57]
mircea_popescu punkman :we don't have timelocks yet << timecocks would be pretty cool too. [19:57]
mircea_popescu brianhoffman: i know that Dionysis feels the same way so please don’t be turned off by anything we throw out there as we’re not trying to stomp out others who are smarter on this stuff <<< well the s/use/leverage/g thing you got going is a bit weird. [19:59]
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ben_vulpes [20:00]
thestringpuller i think there is a way to sucesfully use nlocktime without having to worry about doublespend [20:00]
mircea_popescu anyway, the major stiucking point here being, so you have your openbazaar, and anonderp is selling a box of secret documents or w/e. [20:00]
mircea_popescu how is he supposed to deliver this without getting caught ? [20:00]
pete_dushenski xanthyos: so much for my $360 (10 double chai) prediction << ha! [20:00]
bounce cut all the papers in two, send one box by ups and the other by fedex [20:01]
mircea_popescu lmao [20:01]
mircea_popescu what if they're live baby rats for a certain brunette chick? [20:02]
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pete_dushenski xanthyos: russell brand's going to have to stroke some furry walls hard enough to tear the shag out if he keeps attaching his name to max keiser's cryptocoin << on fire, this guy. [20:02]
mircea_popescu yeah im bevcoming a xanth fan too [20:02]
mircea_popescu !up xanthyos [20:02]
-assbot- You voiced xanthyos for 30 minutes. [20:02]
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mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot xanthyos [20:02]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user xanthyos: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Tue May 13 21:36:26 2014 [20:02]
thestringpuller we should just refer to maxcoin as jefferycoin for now on. [20:02]
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mircea_popescu one of the better interviews [20:04]
assbot Deicide's Benton: 'I Hate Hoffman Brothers More Than Anything In This World' - [20:04]
mircea_popescu Decibel: Has it been weird writing songs without the Hoffman brothers [Eric and Brian, former DEICIDE guitarists]? [20:04]
mircea_popescu Benton: "It's been the fucking greatest thing in the world. Those two are a couple of idiots, man. I hate Eric and Brian Hoffman more than anything in this world, and I will not rest until I put shit straight with the fans. Up 'til now, everybody thinks I kicked them out of the band, but nobody kicked anybody out. They quit on their own, and I wanna set the record straight in regard to those two fuckin' pricks." [20:04]
pete_dushenski thestringpuller: yup. [20:05]
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mircea_popescu Benton: "Yeah, they're real nice guys. We're in the process of suing them right now — for slander and everything else, dude. They're going around telling people I'm addicted to methamphetamine. You know what? Who hasn't experimented with a few things in their life? Big deal. So what if I experimented? They did, too! But, look, I don't even drink anymore, man. I mean, I'll have a Heineken every once in a while, but I [20:08]
mircea_popescu was drinking a bottle of Jack Daniel's every night before I went onstage and another bottle while I was playing. That starts catching up with you real quick, and I started going blind in my right eye. So after a nice scare at the doctor's office about four years ago, I stopped." [20:08]
mircea_popescu total comedy gold these people [20:08]
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bounce that about this guy? [20:14]
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mircea_popescu hm ? [20:17]
bounce that refers to the same guy as the brianhoffman popped by here earlier? [20:18]
mircea_popescu a no. just name coincidence. [20:18]
thickasthieves would it be absurd for me to suggest that bitcoin volatility has a base shape, which appears as fractals and distorts according to current trend? sorta like an elliot wave or bubble pattern? something like the shape of the algorithm as averaged by combinining all trade bots and human behavior? [20:18]
mircea_popescu there's a coupla death metal bass players, brothers, by that name [20:19]
pete_dushenski Vexual: this ones a newspaper, blogs are for little girls << orly? [20:23]
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thestringpuller [20:27]
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bounce what a cute photo. until you realise how it was probably taken. [20:29]
mircea_popescu !up indiancandy1 [20:29]
-assbot- You voiced indiancandy1 for 30 minutes. [20:29]
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indiancandy1 thans [20:29]
indiancandy1 thanks [20:29]
indiancandy1 long time [20:29]
indiancandy1 how are you mp [20:30]
mircea_popescu great as ever. yourself ? [20:30]
indiancandy1 im good dear [20:30]
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indiancandy1 u still in argentina [20:30]
mircea_popescu yep [20:30]
indiancandy1 awsom [20:30]
indiancandy1 im in india [20:30]
mircea_popescu getting married ? [20:30]
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indiancandy1 no dear [20:31]
indiancandy1 goin on a city tour [20:31]
mircea_popescu btw, dun call people dear in english. it's this 70 year old grandma thing to do, and for some reason all indian camgirls do it. [20:31]
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fluffypony finding your inner sacred cow? [20:31]
indiancandy1 ahaha [20:31]
mircea_popescu (reason being that they proly learned english from 70yo little old ladies) [20:31]
indiancandy1 racist [20:31]
indiancandy1 :O [20:31]
indiancandy1 ahaha [20:32]
indiancandy1 all indian cam girls [20:32]
mircea_popescu which city is india ? [20:32]
indiancandy1 stereotype [20:32]
indiancandy1 jeez [20:32]
indiancandy1 im in lucknow [20:32]
indiancandy1 at the moment in up [20:32]
mircea_popescu hm. never been there. [20:32]
indiancandy1 i signed a new fil [20:32]
indiancandy1 film [20:32]
indiancandy1 so im promotin it [20:32]
mircea_popescu o hey. what's your role ? [20:32]
indiancandy1 called i luv dubai [20:32]
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mircea_popescu link it ? [20:33]
indiancandy1 ok [20:33]
indiancandy1 1sec [20:33]
indiancandy1 youtube [20:33]
indiancandy1 isnt working [20:33]
indiancandy1 i duno why [20:33]
bounce senile tremor on the enter key? [20:33]
indiancandy1 youtube shanti dynamite i luv dubai [20:33]
mircea_popescu ? [20:34]
assbot Ajaz, Shanti Dynamite in 'I Luv Dubai' - YouTube [20:34]
indiancandy1 ya me and ajaz [20:34]
indiancandy1 youtube isnt working for me i duno why [20:35]
mircea_popescu tsk, pushing up your tits and being all bashful about your hip tattoo ? [20:35]
mircea_popescu lol and fakekissing the guy ? ok, this was entertaining [20:35]
indiancandy1 no not really camera only ffocused on negative things [20:36]
indiancandy1 sadly [20:36]
mircea_popescu yeah looks like they want to set you up for a heel role. [20:36]
indiancandy1 the camera was only zooming [20:37]
indiancandy1 on my boobs [20:37]
mircea_popescu so what's your pr lady next move for you ? major drug scandal ? [20:37]
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indiancandy1 pr man [20:38]
indiancandy1 my pr is a man [20:38]
indiancandy1 give me good ideas [20:39]
thickasthieves sex tape [20:39]
thickasthieves oh wait [20:39]
mircea_popescu nah sex tape wrong move for her. [20:39]
indiancandy1 im goin 2 shower il b bACK [20:39]
mircea_popescu indiancandy1 it's simple, have some people friendly in the press over at your hotel, have a policeman come and arrest you and confiscate a huge bundle of flour. [20:39]
mircea_popescu then you declare you're innocent, a week later they let you go because it was a mistake and there you go, two extra points. maybe three. [20:40]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2180 @ 0.00058096 = 1.2665 BTC [+] {4} [20:41]
kakobrekla < several problems with that, id fix if there would be a good solution. problem 1: !down would depend on gribbles presence, now it does not since down does not check wot but if a person self upped or not. problem 2: afaik even wot api is cached [20:48]
assbot Logged on 06-10-2014 03:17:27; ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: can we do something about this rating lag? [20:48]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla nah dun worry about it. not really a problem. [20:49]
kakobrekla so even if you unrate/negrate you can not down that person, not cause of cache but cause they self upped [20:49]
kakobrekla well, someone could run a bnc, self up and yapp for weeks [20:49]
mircea_popescu bnc can also have problems. [20:50]
kakobrekla just sayin [20:50]
mircea_popescu yeah. dun worry about it, worry bout something else :) [20:50]
thickasthieves [20:53]
assbot Investor Tim Draper Leads SnapCard's $1.5 Million Seed Round [20:53]
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mircea_popescu "HOW SNAPCARD WORKS. Download snapCard." [20:55]
mircea_popescu orly ? lol. [20:55]
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pete_dushenski "Everything published was very logical. But, consider this, what if you were to create a awesome title? I ain't suggesting your content is not good., however suppose you added something that makes people want more? I mean IRC Yeshiva | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski is a little plain. You could glance at Yahoo's front page and see how they create news titles to grab viewers to open the links. You might add a [21:02]
pete_dushenski video or a pic or two to get people excited about what you've written. In my opinion, it would make your website a little bit more interesting." << lol these sp4mmers [21:02]
pete_dushenski so good i'm tempted to approve the comment [21:02]
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thickasthieves approve a picture of the comment, kill two birds [21:03]
mircea_popescu lol [21:04]
pete_dushenski haha don't give me ideas [21:05]
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pete_dushenski mebbe ima take a video of a nekkid chick takin a picture of it then approve that [21:05]
mircea_popescu $proxies [21:05]
empyex mircea_popescu: Proxies: Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91 [21:05]
empyex mircea_popescu: MPEx-Status: (163 milliseconds), (195 milliseconds), (433 milliseconds), (528 milliseconds), (752 milliseconds) [21:05]
empyex mircea_popescu: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: √ [21:06]
mircea_popescu aha [21:06]
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pete_dushenski << just to bug ben_vulpes [21:06]
assbot The 5th of October in bitcoin price history [21:07]
mircea_popescu sooo apparently a mpex proxy ( got dns hijacked ? [21:08]
pete_dushenski iiiiinteresting [21:09]
kakobrekla it did? [21:09]
thickasthieves so next is 10x? [21:09]
thickasthieves makes sense [21:09]
thickasthieves 3000 [21:10]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: i don't recall, do we like j tucker ? << o mr. sleepyhead? there's definitely worse muppets out on the "conference" scene. [21:10]
thickasthieves is that the bowtie guy [21:10]
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mircea_popescu hmmm no, it did not. [21:10]
mircea_popescu i dunno wtf this was. [21:10]
thickasthieves there's this interview with him and hearn where he's just gushing [21:11]
thickasthieves or maybe he's always that way [21:11]
mircea_popescu well that's no crime yet. [21:11]
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thickasthieves i thought all things distinctive were crimes?! [21:12]
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pete_dushenski thickasthieves: yup, definitely bowtie guy [21:13]
pete_dushenski personal friend of bitstein's too afaik [21:13]
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thickasthieves word [21:13]
pete_dushenski he's a pretty gushy dude it seems [21:14]
thickasthieves ah [21:14]
pete_dushenski and he was even "distinctive" enough to pass out cold at a conference dinner while being referenced by the speaker on stage. see: [21:15]
assbot Ex-Post: Toronto Bitcoin Expo | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski [21:15]
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brianhoffman thank you [21:16]
mircea_popescu sure. [21:16]
brianhoffman ok I’ve got @dionyziz here and I think he may have some questions for you all [21:17]
mircea_popescu didja see thge logs ? [21:17]
mircea_popescu cuz i was talking @you after you apparently left. [21:17]
dionyziz Ha, I can speak! :) [21:17]
dionyziz Hello. [21:17]
brianhoffman no I did not. is it online anywhere? [21:18]
brianhoffman ok i think i found it [21:19]
brianhoffman reading now [21:19]
mircea_popescu [21:19]
mircea_popescu right [21:19]
assbot Logged on 06-10-2014 16:47:26; mircea_popescu: "OpenBazaar is an open source project to create a decentralized network for commerce online—using Bitcoin—that has no fees and cannot be censored." [21:19]
brianhoffman mircea_popescu: you are asking about shipping of items across OpenBazaar? [21:21]
brianhoffman and also I am not the guitarist for Deicide lol [21:21]
dionyziz I heard you guys have some thoughts on our web-of-trust ideas. [21:21]
brianhoffman I can play guitar but I’m not in a heavy metal by any means lol [21:21]
dionyziz I'm very interested in hearing them, especially if you disagree with our proposals. [21:21]
brianhoffman mircea_popescu did you see dionyziz’ paper that we have up online? i posted the link earlier [21:22]
dionyziz If you think what we're trying to do is impossible or impractical, this is very important to us and we want to know why. [21:22]
mircea_popescu dionyziz well not so much on your ideas whatever they may be, but moreover, how familiar are you with the wot as it works and is implemented currently ? [21:22]
brianhoffman I’m working through your devil goat entry [21:22]
mircea_popescu devil goat ? which is that one ? [21:22]
brianhoffman urban vs. rural [21:23]
mircea_popescu oh hehe. myeah. [21:23]
mircea_popescu mircea_popescu: you are asking about shipping of items across OpenBazaar? << yes. [21:23]
penguirker New blog post: [21:23]
dionyziz mircea_popescu: Are you talking about the bitcoin-otc wot, the gpg wot, the freenet wot, which one exatly? [21:23]
brianhoffman the issue of shipping ties in nicely with the discussion about arbitration and third-parties in trade transactions [21:23]
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mircea_popescu dionyziz the first. [21:24]
dionyziz mircea_popescu: [21:24]
assbot Rating Details for User 'dionyziz' [21:24]
dionyziz mircea_popescu: Yes, I have sent and received some ratings and used this system to exachange bitcoin. [21:25]
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mircea_popescu brianhoffman let me restate it. since shipping precludes practical anonimity, it makes sense to bundle the trust required to maintain pseudonymous identities with the trust required to police transactions, resulting in the following cutting of your mayo : centralized trade with decentralized comm network. which reduces your idea to reimplementing gpg over email. [21:25]
mircea_popescu dionyziz that is rather basic, but anyway, much better than nothing at all. [21:26]
mircea_popescu so, how do you aim to improve on this ? [21:26]
dionyziz mircea_popescu: Yes, my rating is basic on bitcoin-otc, but I feel I have an understanding of your work. [21:26]
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dionyziz Regarding your comments on shipping, this is a different issue which we also have concerns about. [21:27]
mircea_popescu well that was @ brianhoffman. you, i asked how you aim to improve the wot as it is [21:27]
dionyziz As for your question regarding improvements over your bitcoin-otc wot work, I'd like to first say that we appreciate the work you've done. [21:27]
mircea_popescu you know i've done nothing much re bitcoin otc. it's mostly nanotube's thing. [21:27]
dionyziz And it's an important asset for the bitcoin community. [21:27]
dionyziz Yes, I mean "you" in plural. [21:27]
dionyziz You as in, people in this channel who have worked on this. [21:27]
mircea_popescu but anyway! thanks, and dun worry about it, you're not being griled in the sense of having been a bad boy [21:28]
mircea_popescu im just trying to grok . [21:28]
dionyziz So, regarding improvements. [21:28]
dionyziz Some of these ideas are detailed in my paper, but keep in mind that my paper is incomplete and just lays out some of our thoughts. We are improving on it and thinking about additional things. [21:28]
brianhoffman I think I see what you’re saying in regards to reimplementing gpg. This is a valid point. [21:28]
dionyziz The first issue we have with bitcoin-otc is its Achilles' heel. [21:29]
mircea_popescu dionyziz i am keeping it in mind, which is why i asked diretly :) [21:29]
dionyziz We feel its centralization is harmful. [21:29]
dionyziz In OpenBazaar, our threat model requires no centralization, so we want users to be able to validate trust directly. [21:29]
mircea_popescu brianhoffman no, it's not. looky here, let's model it. there are 3 items of interest. 1. the shipping of purchased items ; 2. the discussion of trade, ie, merchant and buyer meeting hteir minds ; 3. the payment for purchases. now, these 3 can be sorted in any which way. otc for instance sorts it that 2 is gpg over email or an irc channel, 1 is mail and 3 is the wot. [21:30]
punkman that's when I ask you to GPG sign something [21:30]
dionyziz This is the main reason we think bitcoin-otc wot is inadequate. [21:30]
mircea_popescu brianhoffman your proposition is to somehow weld them together, but because you can not practically remove the problem of 1, it'll still revert to something similar, inevitably. [21:30]
mircea_popescu dionyziz are you familiar with the discussion of multicentrality vs decentralisation ? [21:31]
brianhoffman are you implying that the anonymity is simply thrown out the window once you begin shipping purchased items? i’m feeling dense here. [21:32]
mircea_popescu quite that, yes. [21:32]
brianhoffman well i guess my response at least initially would be are we really trying to solve that issue here... [21:33]
brianhoffman i don’t think that is really in scope for OpenBazaar [21:33]
brianhoffman i see it as an issue [21:33]
brianhoffman but i don’t believe we’re proposing a solution here at the moment for that challenge [21:33]
mircea_popescu i gather. but the thing is, that challenge will unravel whatever model you may build. [21:34]
mircea_popescu it's why silkroad collapsed, after all. you can't ship. [21:34]
mircea_popescu and since you can't really tell people what to do, you will end up in that conflict whether you want to or not. [21:34]
brianhoffman you do realize that a large percentage of items shipped are most likely illicit. this does not stop it from occurring. [21:34]
brianhoffman and those engaging in privacy conscious behavior will know to protect as best they can out of band from OpenBazaar [21:34]
mircea_popescu i think you maybe misunderstand how safety is effectually implemented. [21:35]
brianhoffman ok enlighten me [21:35]
mircea_popescu well, for as long as you're small nobody cares that you're moving contraband back and forth, because it's not meaningfully discernible from the general noise of the system [21:35]
mircea_popescu once you become large you ipso facto have a footprint [21:35]
mircea_popescu at which point you either go to jail or backstab your users [21:35]
mircea_popescu in practice, both. [21:35]
brianhoffman well i think that mirrors real life rather well. as your “image” becomes larger your activity becomes less indistinguishable from others. [21:37]
brianhoffman you stick out [21:37]
dionyziz I do not see why this is a necessity. [21:37]
brianhoffman i agree [21:37]
brianhoffman my argument is that this is a meatspace issue [21:37]
mircea_popescu dionyziz b ecause you're leaking information through the shipping. think of it in crypto terms, you're using a 8 bit key on an amiga as part of the process. [21:37]
bounce not all trades involve items shipped, and where they do the users of any system, decentralised or not, basically have to provide their own safety. cut-outs and that sort of thing. it does put a bit of a damper as to what is reasonable to advertise. [21:38]
mircea_popescu brianhoffman well sure, but it doesn't so much matter if it's a meatspace issue or not. what matters is that it's the controlling issue [21:38]
dionyziz mircea_popescu: Some items are shipped digitally. [21:38]
mircea_popescu and in being controlling, it'll control. which means it'll shape the marketplace. [21:38]
dionyziz But solving the shipping problem is currently out of the scope of OpenBazaar. [21:38]
dionyziz We're not trying to solve this problem. [21:38]
mircea_popescu dionyziz for that much your idea would work fine [21:38]
dionyziz We're not trying to solve every problem. [21:38]
mircea_popescu except information wants to be free and all that. [21:38]
dionyziz There are ideas to make shipping more untrackable. [21:38]
brianhoffman well i’d like to say we’re working on a decentralized drone delivery network as part of this [21:39]
dionyziz Rented PO boxes. [21:39]
brianhoffman but our scope is already huge [21:39]
dionyziz Drones. [21:39]
dionyziz etc. etc. [21:39]
mircea_popescu but yes, for that thin sliver where carders and snowden wanna pass along secrets, there's something. [21:39]
dionyziz And I'm interested in these ideas, but OpenBazaar is not trying to find solutions there. [21:39]
mircea_popescu dionyziz how old are you ? [21:39]
dionyziz mircea_popescu: I'm 27. [21:39]
dionyziz You? [21:39]
thestringpuller drones are not going to work in the US [21:39]
thestringpuller they WILL find you [21:39]
dionyziz thestringpuller: I live in the EU :) [21:39]
mircea_popescu okay. im 35. but anyway : no, rented po boxes and drones aren't solutions. [21:39]
thestringpuller and they will fine you [21:39]
dionyziz Sure, ok. [21:40]
brianhoffman hey all i have to run. very busy day but i am enjoying the convo. i will be back. [21:40]
dionyziz As I said, in OpenBazaar we don't try to solve the problem of shipping. [21:40]
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dionyziz In the same way that cryptography isn't trying to solve all the problems of security, [21:40]
mircea_popescu ok, so what problem does it try to solve ? [21:40]
dionyziz in OpenBazaar we want to maintain anonymity at the point of trade. [21:40]
mircea_popescu you mean anonimity or pseudonimity ? [21:41]
dionyziz We want to allow people to agree on a trade and exchange the money and sign the contract in a pseudonymous manner. [21:41]
dionyziz The delivery is their own problem. [21:41]
mircea_popescu these two are not the same in any sense, stop using them as synonyms. [21:41]
dionyziz "Anonymity" and "pseudonymity" are defined precisely on my writing. [21:41]
mircea_popescu anyway : this already exists, it's a solved problem. why are you resolving a solved problem ? [21:41]
dionyziz I don't think it's a solved problem. [21:41]
dionyziz Can you explain why you think it's a solved problem? [21:41]
mircea_popescu yes. because for instance, lemme find it [21:42]
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dionyziz OK [21:44]
mircea_popescu << there you go. [21:45]
mircea_popescu pseudonymous parties agreeing on a trade, exchanging money and signing the contract. [21:45]
mircea_popescu in... 2012. [21:45]
mircea_popescu (and here's a riot, 1.2k asicminer full shares ? aka 6k btc at the peak ? history!) [21:46]
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thickasthieves shit remember that lot jutarul sold on the forum at 5btc? [21:48]
thickasthieves was it 2000? [21:48]
thickasthieves good ole days [21:48]
dionyziz mircea_popescu: OK, I will read this. [21:48]
dionyziz Thank you for sharing this with me :) [21:48]
dionyziz And thank you for taking the time to address these issues with us. [21:48]
mircea_popescu dionyziz don't take things the wrong way, there's plenty of work to do for people wanting to be useful. it's just important not to waste the enthusiasm of youth on dead ends. [21:49]
mircea_popescu this chan's always here for that very reason [21:49]
dionyziz Ah, I see what this is. [21:49]
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dignork dionyziz: Another potential problem: decentralized arbitration will act as random oracle. If arbiters will keep bias towards buyer, sellers will increase prices to compensate. Bias towards sellers will make buyers to seek discount >= bias rate. Assuming sellers will have to maintain their ratings, risk will mainly be on the seller side, this risk will be priced in. Do you have any estimates on the [21:50]
dignork risk adjustment percentage? [21:50]
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dionyziz mircea_popescu: Maybe it is similar to this agreement that I did with a friend a few months ago? [21:50]
mircea_popescu dignork you can't have bias in a decentralized market. you will instead have volatility. bias happens in central markets like ebay deciding to side with buyer [21:51]
dionyziz I'm familiar with the concept of GPG-signing a personal contract. [21:51]
mircea_popescu dionyziz it's not personal in any sense. signatures are pseudonyms for this purpose [21:51]
dionyziz mircea_popescu: The problem I am trying to solve in OpenBazaar is in particular how two pseudonymous agents can trust each other without knowing each other. [21:52]
mircea_popescu but anyway, conceptually similar to your thing, sure. people agreeing on a trade and exchanging the money and signing the contract in a pseudonymous manner. [21:52]
thickasthieves and can host illegal software without being caught [21:52]
mircea_popescu which is a matter of the wot. lettuce find the relevant article. [21:52]
mircea_popescu [21:52]
assbot What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [21:52]
mircea_popescu dionyziz ^ [21:52]
mircea_popescu and with this i'll have to take a meeting, but will be back in an hour or so. cheers. [21:53]
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dionyziz Thanks for the link, I will read it. [21:53]
dionyziz Let's talk again soon :) [21:53]
dionyziz Nice meeting you. [21:53]
dionyziz Bye for now. [21:53]
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pete_dushenski << lol @ seamonster [21:56]
assbot /hashtag/BearWhaled?src=hash [21:56]
pete_dushenski i guess he's andreas 3.0 (2.0 was twobittard) [21:57]
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dignork mircea_popescu: bias was mentioned as part of explanation on why arbiters will act as random oracles, thus making risk split 50/50 on buyer and seller. [22:02]
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Naphex So.. did you guys check out yet ? [22:21]
assbot CoinSpark | Lightweight Scalable Solution for Colored Coins [22:21]
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ben_vulpes kakobrekla, mircea_popescu: afaik even wot api is cached [22:31]
* ben_vulpes chuckles [22:31]
ben_vulpes yeah, that'd stop realtime anything [22:32]
kakobrekla even realtime chuckles [22:32]
ben_vulpes i'm an asynchronous chuckler [22:32]
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ben_vulpes ;;later tell pete_dushenski that's moderately interesting. do you think the pink whale's responsible? [22:33]
gribble The operation succeeded. [22:33]
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thestringpuller where is wot api? [22:51]
thestringpuller ben_vulpes hook me up [22:51]
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thestringpuller seriously just gonna leave me hangin? [23:00]
xanthyos wow btc is in the black! [23:00]
xanthyos 5.4% up last 24h [23:00]
xanthyos this is it, guys. next stop 10k [23:01]
ben_vulpes lol u [23:16]
ben_vulpes ;;ticker [23:16]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 329.7, Best ask: 331.11, Bid-ask spread: 1.41000, Last trade: 331.11, 24 hour volume: 77530.12186140, 24 hour low: 295.89, 24 hour high: 347.0, 24 hour vwap: 314.494778796 [23:16]
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thestringpuller xanthyos: 5.4% up last 24h that's a pretty good ROI [23:18]
dignork Naphex: coinspark << another OP_RETURN riding model, similar to counterparty. Cool part - SPV, but it actually relies on asset tracking servers: [23:19]
assbot Optional: Run your own asset tracking server | CoinSpark [23:19]
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thickasthieves [23:29]
assbot Battle Rapper Daylyt Attempted to Poop On Stage After Getting Booed At a Show This Weekend | Complex [23:29]
thickasthieves poop! [23:29]
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TomServo You're failing pretty hard when you fail at shitting. [23:38]
Naphex dignork: yeah, the only thing that i mind is that you can't have asset tracking servers track everything [23:39]
Naphex and have to specify some reference ID [23:39]
Naphex i mind yet*, still checking it out [23:39]
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Naphex atleast their issued code, apperantly whats running on their free servers tracks everything [23:41]
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TomServo Holy shit this 'seamonster' "crash analysis podcast" is a train wreck. [23:42]
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dignork Naphex: still, as far as I can see they fail to provide any usefull functionality besides what already done in counterparty. Impossibility to spend/destroy assets by dumb wallet is a nice touch, but that's it. [23:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37800 @ 0.00074487 = 28.1561 BTC [+] {3} [23:52]
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punkman from coinspark server thing, sounds safe "PHP compiled with the --enable-shmop option, since the PHP script communicates with the compiled C process via shared memory." [23:54]
punkman also "At least 8 GB of RAM." [23:54]
Naphex punkman: the deamon which parsesd bitcoind data dir, uses shmop as IPC [23:54]
Naphex and there is just this php tat would IPC with it using shmop lol [23:55]
punkman so what is it, colored coins? [23:55]
Naphex colored coins with some asset servers [23:56]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7083 @ 0.00074512 = 5.2777 BTC [+] [23:58]
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