Forum logs for 07 Oct 2013

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
* Now talking on #bitcoin-assets [08:23]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: || - most days worth reading || - all days worth reading [08:23]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Sun Sep 29 03:06:59 2013 [08:23]
-NickServ- You are now identified for mircea_popescu. [08:23]
mircea_popescu ahhh, good morning boys and girls. [08:23]
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VanCleef ITS BACK MP ITS BACK, thank christ [08:27]
mircea_popescu what is ? [08:28]
VanCleef bitcointalk [08:28]
mircea_popescu o hey. [08:30]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1082 @ 0.01419516 = 15.3592 BTC [+] {10} [08:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 1.4399875 = 11.5199 BTC [+] {2} [08:33]
thestringpuller lol good morning [08:40]
assbot [BTCTC] [B] [CIPHERMINE.B1] 16 @ 0.00812487 = 0.13 BTC [-] {2} [08:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12885 @ 0.00083583 = 10.7697 BTC [+] [08:41]
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Apocalyptic yup [08:48]
assbot [BTCTC] [CIPHERMINE-PT] 70 @ 0.03 = 2.1 BTC [-] [08:53]
VanCleef and asicminer tanks haha [08:56]
thestringpuller Diablo-D3 haven't seen you in awhile [09:00]
assbot [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 3514 @ 0.0001418 = 0.4983 BTC [+] [09:00]
thestringpuller they see me lurkin' [09:01]
thestringpuller they hatin' [09:01]
thestringpuller where has bugpowder been [09:02]
thestringpuller ;;seen Bugpowder [09:02]
gribble Bugpowder was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 12 hours, 7 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: So the mechs thing was a hoax or waht? [09:02]
thestringpuller oh wow he just kinda sneaks in [09:02]
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mircea_popescu [09:16]
ozbot MPEx breach - post mortem pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [09:16]
assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 54 @ 0.03379054 = 1.8247 BTC [-] {9} [09:19]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00083923 = 1.091 BTC [+] [09:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 69 @ 0.0145 = 1.0005 BTC [+] {3} [09:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 365 @ 0.00083847 = 0.306 BTC [-] [09:40]
assbot [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.PURCHASE] 31 @ 0.006211 = 0.1925 BTC [-] [09:40]
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jurov mornin [09:49]
jurov we have fun here in bratislava guessing who ordered it [09:50]
jurov cuz nobody is admiting it [09:50]
jurov *admitting [09:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8741 @ 0.00083213 = 7.2736 BTC [-] {2} [09:52]
Apocalyptic morning [09:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 16 @ 0.0145 = 0.232 BTC [+] [10:02]
mircea_popescu jurov o hey, there was a bet to that effect too [10:04]
mircea_popescu [10:05]
ozbot BitBet - Bitcoin ATM will have at least one ATM unit up and running by the end of September 2013 [10:05]
mircea_popescu aww no, there WAS. [10:05]
jurov bitbet time runs too fast [10:05]
mircea_popescu ya srsly. [10:08]
mircea_popescu it's like... two weeks normal time turn into 18 months of bitbet time. [10:08]
mircea_popescu it's a total timescam. [10:08]
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mod6 benkay_: Ahh, I've read more now on the urbit. I see what you mean by the 9-times thing as temporary. And after reading Datskovskiy's comments it's interesting that it was put in to begin with. [10:28]
mod6 has anyone had trouble with the urbit terminal being like really slow? [10:28]
mod6 I rebuild my sub just a bit ago because of this (, seems to be a bit more responsive.. but not what i would expect. [10:30]
mod6 (was worse before the update it seems to me... but still laaags a bit.) [10:30]
jurov should be compiled with -O99 -funroll-all-loops [10:35]
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mircea_popescu mod6 well when the whole planet is one computer... [10:50]
mircea_popescu probably some dolphin somewhere upset the flow of chi [10:50]
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mircea_popescu (TLDR: to keep using Urbit, delete all your pre-10/6 data, git pull the source again, make clean, make, and start over. Your destroyers and tickets will keep working. No, this will not keep happening, though it may happen once or twice again.) << preserved for futurosity. [10:51]
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mod6 yeah, that was pretty interesting. like the first day I look into it, i have to blow everything away and start over. [10:51]
mircea_popescu well at least 11k people have watching and thus therefore everyone knows the guy's name and admires his work or how did it go. [10:52]
mircea_popescu but anyway ; satoshi forked btc too. it happens [10:52]
mod6 jurov: you trollin'? [10:53]
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mod6 mircea_popescu: yeah, i recloned the repos and rebuilt. works fine. it's early in the project so, yeah shit happens. [10:54]
mircea_popescu mod6 in other news, haskelites hate it. [10:55]
mod6 jurov: -funroll-all-loops [10:57]
mod6 Perform the optimization of loop unrolling. This is done for all loops and usually makes programs run more slowly. `-funroll-all-loops' implies `-fstrength-reduce' as well as `-frerun-cse-after-loop'. [10:57]
mod6 so yah, 9/10 [10:57]
mod6 :P [10:57]
jurov mod6 yeah trolling... couldn't resist as long-time gentoo user :) [10:59]
* mod6 punches jurov in the arm [10:59]
jurov au! don't tell me you *did* recompile it? [11:01]
mircea_popescu violence is not the loop. [11:01]
mod6 yeah, it seems that this guy Curtis Yarvin kinda goes against the grain with this one. im not a haskell guy or what not, so I'm not real sure what to think just yet. [11:01]
mod6 haha, yeah. [11:01]
mod6 im a dumbass for listening to you [11:02]
mircea_popescu well i guess i get to use kako's bash for the first time ever. [11:02]
mod6 i tried to find a solution to this problem on the fuckin google groups thing and there was a thread about it. [11:02]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: || - most days worth reading || - all days worth reading [11:02]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Sun Sep 29 03:06:59 2013 [11:02]
mod6 but it wasn't helpful what-so-ever. [11:02]
mod6 maybe its just a pile of shit [11:02]
mod6 im not sure what to think about this thing yet. [11:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.00126896 = 0.1269 BTC [+] {2} [11:03]
mircea_popescu me either. [11:04]
mircea_popescu and i don't even know cs. [11:04]
mod6 well, either do i. i was just trolled by jurov. [11:04]
mod6 im gonna quit this shit and go work at walmart selling plants. [11:05]
mircea_popescu you could put on a bikini, place yourself in a pot and sell yourself as a bikini clad potted plant. [11:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 347 @ 0.0145 = 5.0315 BTC [+] [11:06]
mod6 haha. i'll even do a dance move for a quick .01 BTC [11:07]
mod6 aight, now that i've got this thing back to non-suck mode... [11:07]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0146 = 0.292 BTC [+] {2} [11:07]
mircea_popescu ~tasfyn-partyv/try=> :reset [11:08]
mircea_popescu This will replace all the Arvo code, including Hoon in Hoon itself, and keep your data intact - even running processes. [11:08]
mircea_popescu this later part is good. [11:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 17 @ 0.01481954 = 0.2519 BTC [+] {4} [11:08]
mod6 yeah, thats pretty awesome. [11:09]
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mircea_popescu when was the last time, say, a Google app lost your data? [11:11]
mircea_popescu bwaghahaha. [11:11]
mircea_popescu remember mybitcoin ? [11:11]
mircea_popescu or no wait. what was it, that polish exchange that mtgox boight [11:11]
mircea_popescu because the guy had all the btc in the cloud and lost the instance. [11:11]
mod6 yeah haha. [11:12]
mod6 i wanna say that happened a few times even. [11:12]
mod6 *poof* [11:12]
jurov but afaik urbit has everything versioned [11:13]
mircea_popescu " hi all." < i said something on #urbit. [11:13]
mircea_popescu which from what i gather is NOT run on urbit ? [11:13]
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mod6 haha, nice. i just joined in over there a few mins ago too. [11:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 0.1331 BTC [+] [11:15]
mod6 CY said he didn't want to do an irc channel because urbit can be sort of like IRC in and of itself. but in the mean time he'll set one up until it gets further along. [11:15]
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mod6 i figure, maybe they can help my urbit n00bness until i get my sealegs. [11:15]
jurov these's a PONZI [11:17]
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mod6 are you getting good with hoon, jurov [11:20]
mod6 ? [11:20]
jurov no only read these docs and filed it for later [11:21]
mod6 ahh. im trying to familiarize myself with these 'runes' [11:21]
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mod6 its not as bad as brainfuck, but not by much [11:21]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00083632 = 6.9415 BTC [+] {2} [11:22]
jurov decided to do some overdue upgrades unexpected 50% cpu usage decrease :) [11:23]
mod6 nice [11:24]
assbot [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 800 @ 0.00015 = 0.12 BTC [-] {3} [11:24]
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pankkake [11:27]
mircea_popescu lol [11:28]
mircea_popescu seems about right [11:28]
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mod6 i haven't used an LSB system since i worked on porting fbsd to sparc64 [11:34]
mircea_popescu i thought they're unconstitutional anyway [11:34]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.00083923 = 5.2452 BTC [+] [11:39]
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mod6 heheh, well since x86 intel, its not been nearly as widely used. i think that network addresses are all passed in lsb though, and then they added htonl/s ntohl/s for translation, etc. [11:43]
assbot [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 23200 @ 0.00017773 = 4.1233 BTC [+] {5} [11:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.01375 = 0.275 BTC [-] [11:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12286 @ 0.00083404 = 10.247 BTC [-] {2} [11:47]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 10 @ 0.01375 = 0.1375 BTC [-] [12:16]
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bitesak ;;ticker [12:21]
gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 135.75000, Best ask: 136.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.25000, Last trade: 135.75000, 24 hour volume: 6768.60069259, 24 hour low: 134.10000, 24 hour high: 139.00000, 24 hour vwap: 136.55720 [12:21]
bitesak there is a new listing on mpex ! whoooa [12:22]
mod6 cool, there is a hoon.vim [12:27]
bitesak hoonhoon.vim? [12:31]
mircea_popescu wait, does this mean a vim implementation ? [12:33]
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mod6 haha, no i wish. [12:36]
mod6 just a vim script for unix so the syntax can be color-highlighted. didn't mean to get yall excited. [12:37]
mod6 there is another that seems to try to translate scribbles to runes, but I haven't gotten it to work on my vim yet. [12:37]
assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 29 @ 0.0415331 = 1.2045 BTC [+] {3} [12:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9750 @ 0.00083877 = 8.178 BTC [+] {2} [12:48]
assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 7 @ 0.04 = 0.28 BTC [-] [12:49]
mircea_popescu i suspect this is currently the largest productivity sink in it. [12:58]
mircea_popescu also, [12:58]
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ystarnaud lol [12:59]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 4 @ 0.088 = 0.352 BTC [-] [13:02]
assbot [BTCTC] [B] [CIPHERMINE.B1] 100 @ 0.008 = 0.8 BTC [-] [13:04]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.00295875 = 0.1124 BTC [+] {2} [13:19]
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mod6 this urbit thing is wacky [13:42]
mircea_popescu [13:42]
ozbot Argentina's president Cristina Fernandez suffers brain haematoma | World news | [13:42]
assbot [BTCTC] [FN] [COG.F2] 1 @ 2.39 BTC [+] [13:45]
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mircea_popescu "Leather Goddesses of Phobos 2: Gas Pump Girls Meet the Pulsating Inconvenience from Planet X!" [13:46]
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mod6 its like i wanna go down this rabbit hole and figure this thing out, but I don't think im smart enough or something. [13:51]
mod6 the guy says, "urbit will always run on top of unix." but d00d also wants this to surpass *nix at some point... [13:53]
mircea_popescu mod6 << average people have trouble FINDING IT [13:54]
mircea_popescu i think you may be smart enough. [13:54]
mod6 (Chapter 1.7): If a real OS runs on the bare hardware and is preemptive, it’s clear that Arvo is not a real OS and will never be one. It will always run on Unix. Of course in a sense it comes to bury Unix, but also to praise it - to imitate it - and even to surpass it. [13:54]
mod6 Unix today is ancient, bloated and debilitated, but its historic greatness is eternal. Comparing Unix to other OSes of its time is comparing Shakespeare to other playwrights of his time. [13:55]
mod6 But, ya know, times change. How do we surpass Unix? We’ve got two words for you - typed pipes! [13:55]
mircea_popescu actually marlowe was not that bad [13:55]
mircea_popescu this is an argument to ignorance [13:55]
mod6 So far, and i've only spent a few hours on it, but I'm so hoplessly lost on hoon, that i don't see how this could be more useful than unix at this point. [13:56]
mod6 i mean, it needs unix to run to begin with... so wtf [13:56]
mod6 at somepoint it'll have to run out of a chip directly or some other interpreter or interface to wholly replace unix [13:57]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 23 @ 1.43852172 = 33.086 BTC [-] {5} [13:58]
mod6 I still think its pretty cool, and I'm probably just derp. But I'm not convinced that I'm not being trolled somehow. [13:58]
mircea_popescu if indeed the specification is as short as presented, it's prolly trivial to build asics that execute it natively [13:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00084024 = 7.016 BTC [+] {2} [13:59]
mod6 yeah, the nock is like, very short. and the hoon compiler itself is really small. [14:00]
mod6 this page is pretty lulzy, whomever wrote it was just guessing at a lot of the stuff: [14:01]
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assbot [BTCTC] [B] [CIPHERMINE.B1] 56 @ 0.008 = 0.448 BTC [-] [14:03]
assbot [BTCTC] [FN] [COG.F] 1 @ 1.99 BTC [+] [14:04]
assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 15 @ 0.04 = 0.6 BTC [-] [14:06]
mod6 anyway, i dunno, i still think its pretty neat if its not an epic troll. i submitted for my destroyers, so we'll see where that goes. [14:08]
mircea_popescu it's still neat even if it is an epic troll. [14:08]
mircea_popescu what difference does that make ? [14:08]
assbot [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 15894 @ 0.0001812 = 2.88 BTC [+] {4} [14:08]
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assbot [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 6599 @ 0.00020115 = 1.3274 BTC [+] {3} [14:09]
mod6 haha, none i guess. i just hope that even if it is a troll, it can be made into something useful. [14:10]
assbot [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 900 @ 0.000226 = 0.2034 BTC [+] {2} [14:10]
mircea_popescu now that all depends i ghuess :p [14:11]
KRS1 good morning from the states. [14:11]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.445 = 10.115 BTC [+] [14:13]
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mircea_popescu ello [14:16]
mod6 (What happens if there’s an error? Like, a type error? Duh, the compiler crashes. Hey, at Yale, what do they do if there’s an error? I don’t know but it’s probably some kind of fancy exception thing. [14:17]
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mod6 haha [14:17]
assbot [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 850 @ 0.000226 = 0.1921 BTC [+] [14:19]
mircea_popescu amazing compiler. [14:19]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [14:19]
mod6 :) [14:19]
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mod6 it'd be cool to see if all of these destroyers can easily talk to one-another from distributed hosts worldwide. then maybe it'd be neat to try to develop a p2p or distributed encrypted irc network. [14:22]
mod6 either public or private nodes. [14:23]
daybyter make smartphone nodes. They are harder to block... [14:23]
mod6 the syntax is so gnarly that it seems like it would be hard to develop, but i suppose that one you get the hang of it... [14:23]
mod6 *once [14:24]
mircea_popescu that funny moment when you realise urbit is discussed in 500 lines on #bitcoin-assets and in 5 lines on #urbit [14:24]
mod6 lol [14:25]
mod6 my bad [14:25]
mod6 daybyter: its too bad really, these devices are like the NSA data-collector nodes. i don't even trust the snapdragon chips in 'em any more really. [14:28]
mircea_popescu mod6 wasn't implying it's a bad thing, on the contrary [14:28]
mircea_popescu gotta discuss where the brainz are. [14:29]
mod6 ah, ok :) [14:29]
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daybyter but it's easier to shutdown servers than mobiles... [14:29]
mircea_popescu is it ? [14:29]
blastbob depends.. [14:30]
mod6 for instance, in current form, urbit does key-gen right off the start. i'd hesitate to launch an instance with that software thats native (unless rooted and running something like cyanogen -- even then do we trust that either?) [14:31]
mod6 and besides do we trust chip makers any more either? [14:31]
mircea_popescu mod6 im listening to this and pasting in the nsa "to do" list :D [14:33]
mod6 haha [14:33]
mod6 i suppose that something like urbit could actually live inside of other software eventually as some sort of embedded system. or if it ever took the leap to native hardware, it could run on some sort of FPGA or pre-set asic chip. [14:35]
mod6 someone needs to write a network stack for it. [14:35]
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mod6 lol that'll be ishy in hoon! [14:36]
ThickAsThieves kncsplosion [14:36]
mod6 oo started a fire in her panties huh? [14:38]
mircea_popescu what burned there, the controller or what ? [14:39]
ThickAsThieves looks like a small transformer or something [14:39]
ThickAsThieves but i have no idea [14:39]
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ThickAsThieves two mor epics [14:40]
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VanCleef ThickAsThieves ? [14:41]
KRS1 lol nice whats that a transistor [14:41]
blastbob they say its 2-3 boards this has happend to, but not confirmed [14:41]
ThickAsThieves i only have intro knowledge of these things, but i'd guess a small transformer [14:41]
KRS1 ya [14:41]
mircea_popescu A year after the 1994 Digital Telephony bill passed, the FBI disclosed plans to require the phone companies to build into their infrastructure the capacity to simultaneously wiretap one percent of all phone calls in all major US cities. This would represent more than a thousandfold increase over previous levels in the number of phones that could be wiretapped. In previous years, there were only about 1000 court-ordered wiretaps in the US per [14:42]
mircea_popescu year, at the federal, state, and local levels combined. [14:42]
mircea_popescu [14:42]
ozbot Phil Zimmermann's Senate Testimony [14:42]
mircea_popescu this shit's so much fun to read, 20 years later. [14:42]
KRS1 nice skidmark [14:42]
mod6 <3 Phil [14:43]
mircea_popescu thjat last thing is an exploded capacitor. [14:43]
mircea_popescu which really just means bad capacitor. [14:43]
mircea_popescu ;;google capacitor disease [14:43]
gribble Capacitor plague - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; PSA: TiVo HD's Hit By Capacitor Plague! - DealDatabase Forum: ; How do you define capacitor in good condition - WikiAnswers: (1 more message) [14:43]
ThickAsThieves i've only ever seen cylindrical capacitors [14:43]
ThickAsThieves again i'm a noob [14:43]
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mod6 ya my guy says they are caps too [14:44]
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ThickAsThieves i suppose it would be weird to have that many small transistors anyway [14:45]
mod6 lol he says its 'bodged' [14:45]
mod6 he says he could be wrong and they might be 'some kinda funky resistor' [14:47]
mod6 *shrug* [14:47]
thestringpuller mod6 is here [14:48]
thestringpuller just as I have to leave [14:48]
thestringpuller I h8 you no [14:48]
thestringpuller w [14:48]
thestringpuller nao* [14:48]
thestringpuller I am revoking our frienship [14:48]
thestringpuller jkjk [14:48]
KRS1 heh [14:48]
mod6 HEH. been here all night talkin about urbit :] [14:48]
thestringpuller i been up all night trynna get ma money right [14:48]
mircea_popescu yeah what im getting as most likely story is that they bought as cheap parts as they could find, and ended up with a batch of shitty caps. [14:49]
mircea_popescu which you know... blow. [14:49]
KRS1 stack the rest of the yams in my auntie's house..and then what! [14:49]
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assbot [BTCTC] [FN] [BTC-GROWTH] 103 @ 0.0848997 = 8.7447 BTC [+] {2} [14:50]
KRS1 peace out folks time to get fresh and jump into one of them cars [14:50]
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mod6 info on flaming board from my buddy: [14:53]
KRS1 Check out my friend's hotrod caddilac..finally got a chance to see it in action last night. Its more or less a corvette in a suit and tie [14:53]
mod6 that one comes straight from GM 'eh? is that the 502? [14:57]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00084028 = 7.8566 BTC [+] [15:04]
assbot [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 15905 @ 0.00015472 = 2.4608 BTC [-] {6} [15:04]
KRS1 yeah [15:05]
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KRS1 we are a couple of long time gear heads I have a 1986 t-top mustang 5.0 drag car thats real fun dont get much chance to play with it though. [15:05]
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KRS1 thats not the 502 its a small block stroked to 400+ ci all fuel injected obviously [15:07]
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mod6 KRS1: ahh. ok. [15:08]
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assbot [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 50000 @ 0.00015287 = 7.6435 BTC [-] {10} [15:26]
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assbot [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 44410 @ 0.00015008 = 6.6651 BTC [-] {7} [15:31]
assbot [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 10000 @ 0.00015 = 1.5 BTC [-] [15:32]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 22 @ 1.36245454 = 29.974 BTC [-] {3} [15:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 1.32882352 = 22.59 BTC [-] {4} [15:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.0130049 = 0.6632 BTC [-] {3} [15:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 1.3218222 = 6.6091 BTC [-] {3} [15:38]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.3 = 6.5 BTC [-] [15:38]
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assbot [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2000 @ 0.0001502 = 0.3004 BTC [+] [15:48]
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assbot [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 19603 @ 0.0001481 = 2.9032 BTC [-] [16:22]
gecko_x2 btct down? [16:23]
gecko_x2 forgot to check if i have any btc there : [16:23]
gecko_x2 damnit [16:23]
Rulother It's down for me [16:23]
ThickAsThieves Hopefully not down for good yet [16:23]
Rulother ^ [16:23]
ThickAsThieves I have fresh AM1 xfers to verify... [16:24]
ThickAsThieves he should lock all assets first [16:24]
Rulother [16:24]
ozbot - Is Btct Down Right Now? [16:24]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 13 @ 0.033 = 0.429 BTC [-] [16:25]
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gecko_x2 hmm [16:28]
mircea_popescu wasn't it announced for today and everytjhing ? [16:32]
ThickAsThieves yes, but he had hinted that it would be late in the day, if I recall [16:32]
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turbo_ac100 gecko_x2, site seems up but API access doesn't work [16:43]
turbo_ac100 litecoinglobal works though. [16:43]
Rulother so tat how many transfers are you working on? [16:44]
ThickAsThieves all in all i think it's nearly 2000 [16:45]
gecko_x2 hmm [16:46]
gecko_x2 works through tor for me [16:46]
gecko_x2 but not directly [16:46]
ThickAsThieves all are xfers other than TAT.AM are caught up and awaiting assistance from the exchange operators to render the shares [16:46]
mircea_popescu that sounds like quite the caseload there. [16:47]
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ThickAsThieves Bitfunder could be a problem [16:47]
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ThickAsThieves as manual rendering of shares would be insanely time-consuming [16:47]
ThickAsThieves since Ukyo has 2fa required on every xfer [16:48]
Rulother Gross [16:50]
Rulother Well I had my shit transfered to Havelock [16:50]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5354 @ 0.00083667 = 4.4795 BTC [+] [16:52]
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ThickAsThieves [16:59]
ozbot Smarter $100 bill goes into circulation tomorrow | The Verge [16:59]
ThickAsThieves Burnside is selling the site software with a condition that whomever uses it must block US users. [17:02]
ThickAsThieves Can that even be enforced? [17:02]
Rulother Ciphermine wanted to buy it didn [17:03]
Rulother didn't they? * [17:03]
ThickAsThieves yeah [17:03]
ThickAsThieves i wouldnt use it in that case [17:03]
kakobrekla cipermine sold 5btw of shares to pay for her wedding [17:03]
kakobrekla btw = btc [17:03]
ThickAsThieves she was married at taco bell? [17:04]
Rulother lol [17:04]
kakobrekla how is she going to pay for btctc [17:04]
kakobrekla acting like she is capable of reglbseing it [17:04]
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ThickAsThieves heh, won't load so I tried Tor, [17:05]
ThickAsThieves This Domain Name Has Expired [17:05]
ThickAsThieves maybe that's why he chose today [17:05]
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Rulother lol works fine for me [17:05]
ThickAsThieves cached? [17:05]
ThickAsThieves i cant load it [17:06]
ThickAsThieves are you in the US? [17:06]
Rulother logged in and sold a share [17:06]
Kleeck__ Mine is loading as well. [17:06]
Kleeck__ Was down earlier. [17:06]
Kleeck__ Not cached. [17:06]
ThickAsThieves lame [17:06]
ThickAsThieves are you in the US? [17:06]
Kleeck__ I am. [17:06]
ThickAsThieves hrm [17:07]
ThickAsThieves wtf [17:07]
ThickAsThieves can you tell me the ip for the site? [17:07]
jcpham 127.09.01 [17:07]
ThickAsThieves hehe [17:07]
jcpham satoshi's IP [17:08]
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mircea_popescu whoever made network connectors so that usb sticks fit neatly inside IS A FUCKING IDIOT [17:08]
mircea_popescu either that or she works for adobe. [17:08]
jcpham meliisa mayer [17:08]
ThickAsThieves marissa* [17:08]
jcpham that too [17:08]
mircea_popescu burn her anyway. [17:09]
jcpham clariisa tells all [17:09]
mircea_popescu [17:09]
jcpham lsl! [17:09]
ThickAsThieves [17:10]
ozbot Global DNS Propagation Checker - What's My DNS? [17:10]
ThickAsThieves *something* is going on [17:10]
kakobrekla can you has state in you dns!? [17:11]
ThickAsThieves that's network propagation [17:12]
ThickAsThieves not dns of states [17:12]
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kakobrekla no [17:13]
kakobrekla i mean your federal state in your dns server [17:13]
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ThickAsThieves i assume those are cooperating providers that are just reporting what DNS they see for any given domain [17:14]
ThickAsThieves not sure it has anything to do with the DNS of the site [17:14]
kakobrekla nah they fiddle with them [17:14]
kakobrekla maybe not in btctc's case but otherwse [17:14]
ThickAsThieves btct is also using cloudflare, those two long addresses [17:15]
ThickAsThieves i have people transferring AM-PT shares to me which i can't verify... [17:16]
Kleeck__ Well, maybe someone should've taken care of his share transfers BEFORE vacationing in Cyprus! ;P [17:16]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.47989999 BTC [+] [17:18]
ThickAsThieves your quip is inaccurate (and impossible) [17:19]
ThickAsThieves these are new xfers [17:19]
ThickAsThieves and migrating before I left would've been impossible time-wise [17:19]
imsaguy Kleeck__, he's online now, isn't he? [17:19]
jcpham i haerd burnside was playing a halloween prank and btct.cp isn't actually closing [17:19]
ThickAsThieves I heard the same thing like 30secs ago [17:20]
jcpham seems legit [17:20]
bitesak vacationing in Cyprus ? [17:20]
ThickAsThieves no [17:20]
ThickAsThieves businessing [17:20]
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kakobrekla o, retard talk forum is down [17:20]
kakobrekla em [17:20]
kakobrekla back up [17:20]
Kleeck__ I was joking, for the record. [17:20]
kakobrekla i know cause i lost the bet, dammit. [17:20]
imsaguy "now with improved security!" [17:21]
kakobrekla oh? [17:21]
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kakobrekla lieak what [17:21]
imsaguy "We hash your passwords 100000 times" [17:21]
jcpham captchas [17:21]
jcpham everywhere [17:21]
bitesak I trust the businessing is with Bitcoins ? [17:21]
ThickAsThieves scammers extending there forum auctions :/ [17:21]
jcpham seems like dramatalk would hire smf dev [17:22]
jcpham is there a such thing as a simple machines dev [17:23]
pankkake simple minded dev? [17:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00285551 = 0.2856 BTC [-] {4} [17:25]
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Kleeck__ is down for me now as well, ThickAsThieves [17:27]
ThickAsThieves I asked Burnside to remove you [17:28]
imsaguy Is there a bet for how long until the forum passwords are cracked? [17:31]
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mircea_popescu imsaguy not afaik [17:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 15 @ 0.01359998 = 0.204 BTC [-] [17:35]
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Kleeck__ Last I heard the "sample list" was a verified fake. [17:36]
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mircea_popescu "We hash your passwords 100000 times" << this. [17:36]
imsaguy I'm well aware Kleeck__ [17:36]
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mircea_popescu no salt, more hashing [17:37]
ThickAsThieves Havelock rocks. They built a special tool just for me to process migrations :) [17:37]
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imsaguy Until they shut down too [17:37]
imsaguy <.< [17:37]
Rulother I do like Havelock [17:38]
Rulother What was the word from them regarding allowing new assets to come over [17:38]
Kleeck__ I believe they said, "No." [17:38]
ThickAsThieves I don't know the official word, but I think they denied most, if not all [17:39]
ThickAsThieves I do hope they at least accommodate Deprived [17:39]
gecko_x2 got my remaining btc transferred off btct in the last min.. over TOR [17:43]
Kleeck__ Why are you using TOR? [17:44]
gecko_x2 btct was down over regular net [17:44]
gecko_x2 for me [17:44]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 1.28877777 = 11.599 BTC [-] {3} [17:44]
gecko_x2 others are also having issues [17:44]
mircea_popescu weird. [17:45]
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gecko_x2 so sad [17:47]
gecko_x2 there prolly won't be another exchange unless it's distributed / p2p [17:47]
gecko_x2 maybe coloured coins [17:48]
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gecko_x2 or [17:48]
gecko_x2 maybe the world will finally rush back to MPEX :) [17:48]
mircea_popescu herp. [17:49]
mircea_popescu you know i can always tell the people who have an account from those who don't, [17:49]
mircea_popescu cause the former know it's a small x. [17:49]
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ThickAsThieves i do prefer all caps, but ever since seeing you correct someone i use x, in compliance [17:50]
ThickAsThieves although i do have an accocunt [17:50]
ThickAsThieves acoconut [17:51]
ThickAsThieves :) [17:51]
gecko_x2 a cocunt? [17:51]
gecko_x2 erm [17:51]
gecko_x2 anywais [17:51]
gecko_x2 everyone is now waiting for the mad rush into actm :p [17:51]
ThickAsThieves ? [17:52]
ThickAsThieves why would anyone rush to actm [17:52]
ThickAsThieves it's like boring by now, no? [17:52]
gecko_x2 well [17:52]
mircea_popescu lol i has a coconut and banging it together! [17:52]
gecko_x2 compared to LC it's still amazing company! [17:52]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [17:52]
mircea_popescu no. 0 compared to 0 is actually still 0. [17:53]
ThickAsThieves a rose by any other name [17:53]
gecko_x2 it's going to nine thousand! [17:53]
imsaguy at least 9001 [17:54]
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nubbins` ISO 9001 certified? [17:55]
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gecko_x2 so what are we gonna do in here? [17:58]
gecko_x2 :p [17:58]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: whoever made network connectors so that usb sticks fit neatly inside IS A FUCKING IDIOT [17:58]
nubbins` lel [17:58]
nubbins` cue every single time i wonder why my device isn't recognized [17:58]
nubbins` "oh, wait" [17:58]
mircea_popescu ikr ? [17:58]
gecko_x2 they could have designed the fuckers to work regardless of which way is up [17:59]
mircea_popescu that goes against family values. [17:59]
nubbins` i don't think a usb drive will work in your ethernet port in ANY orientation [17:59]
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nubbins` straight or otherwise [18:00]
gecko_x2 point is there is no reason to restrict which way a usb connector is plugged in [18:00]
pankkake but that's the other way around, network port predates usb port [18:01]
gecko_x2 now roughly 50% of plug attempts fail [18:01]
gecko_x2 or according to murphy, atleast 51% [18:01]
gecko_x2 i'm not talking about ethernet ports [18:01]
gecko_x2 usb ports [18:01]
gecko_x2 and how the USB standard sux [18:01]
pankkake yes, usb ports are also bad that way [18:02]
pankkake I wonder how they managed to fail that much [18:02]
nubbins` design by committee [18:02]
nubbins` it was destined to fail [18:02]
gecko_x2 there is already a much better working solution [18:02]
gecko_x2 been around since the 70's [18:02]
nubbins` thunderbolt? ;p [18:02]
nubbins` o [18:02]
gecko_x2 3.5mm DIN plugs [18:03]
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nubbins` DIN for the WIN! [18:03]
gecko_x2 or the standard headphone plug [18:03]
gecko_x2 works every time [18:03]
ThickAsThieves "hack" to get BTCT to load: [18:03]
ThickAsThieves works [18:03]
nubbins` standard headphone plug is a very poot design [18:03]
nubbins` 1/8" [18:03]
nubbins` they break so easily [18:03]
nubbins` poot? [18:03]
gecko_x2 nah [18:03]
ThickAsThieves never broken a headphone jack in my life [18:03]
nubbins` yep [18:03]
pankkake the thing that usb provided aren't really hardware/connector related, but a very cheap protocol [18:03]
gecko_x2 worked fine for me for decades [18:03]
nubbins` i break them regularly [18:03]
gecko_x2 maybe you should work on your motor skills :)' [18:04]
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pankkake I broke one or two portable players headphone jacks [18:04]
nubbins` altho to be fair i'm using heavy 1/8" to 1/4" cables for audio equipment that gets moved around a lot [18:04]
pankkake the 6.3mm ones are sexy [18:04]
nubbins` but honestly SMD 1/8" jacks are usually very poorly supported on PCBs [18:04]
assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 4 @ 0.043945 = 0.1758 BTC [+] {3} [18:04]
nubbins` it's no sweat to rip a trace off a board [18:04]
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ThickAsThieves ;;nethash [18:05]
gribble 1525038.63397 [18:05]
saulimus lol, btct domain expired but someone just bought some basic-mining [18:05]
ThickAsThieves ;;bcstats [18:05]
gribble Current Blocks: 262247 | Current Difficulty: 1.8928124928103292E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 264095 | Next Difficulty In: 1848 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 6 hours, 26 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 217927576.821 | Estimated Percent Change: 15.13427 [18:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 126 @ 0.00124793 = 0.1572 BTC [-] {3} [18:05]
assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 4 @ 0.04658 = 0.1863 BTC [+] [18:05]
* nubbins` is making moose stew for supper this evening [18:05]
Jere_Jones You can still get to btct if you add an entry in your hosts file. [18:05]
Jere_Jones is the ip address that I'm using and it seems to work well. [18:06]
saulimus ok, thanks [18:06]
saulimus hm, error 1003, Direct IP access not allowed [18:06]
nubbins` i will need a small rutabaga and some carrots [18:06]
Jere_Jones That's why you have to put it in your hosts file. [18:06]
saulimus strange how that counts [18:07]
saulimus ok. [18:07]
mircea_popescu weird. [18:07]
ThickAsThieves i have learned that the slim majority of btct shareholders can follow directions [18:07]
Kleeck__ lol [18:07]
Jere_Jones ThickAsThieves: Did Danny confirm my angel shares of NEOBEE with you? [18:08]
ThickAsThieves i don't think so [18:08]
ThickAsThieves just have him email me [18:08]
ThickAsThieves i know he's been busy [18:08]
Jere_Jones I did, but he was in the airport when he responded to me. I'll wait until things calm down a little. [18:08]
ThickAsThieves he should be straight now [18:09]
Jere_Jones Then, to the email I go.... :) [18:09]
saulimus Jere_Jones, ok, works, thanks [18:09]
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nubbins` interesting fact: four moose were introduced to the island on which i live in the early 1900s [18:10]
nubbins` today, there are over 150,000 moose, wandering all over the highways and killing people who hit them w/ cars [18:10]
ThickAsThieves the pitfalls of inbreeding [18:11]
nubbins` yeah [18:12]
nubbins` tasty though [18:12]
nubbins` lel, from wikipedia: "Moose scat is commonly found on trails. Some souvenir shops sell bags of it, sealed with shellac and labeled with humorous names." [18:12]
nubbins` author obv too stupid to realize that every souvenir shop in north america sells bags of chocolate-covered almonds as "____ poop" [18:13]
nubbins` and they're shiny because of confectioner's glaze, not shellac [18:13]
nubbins` lel [18:13]
ThickAsThieves from what i read, it sounds like they are using real poop [18:13]
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nubbins` you're telling me that stores are representing animal feces as food? [18:16]
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ThickAsThieves where does that text say to eat it? [18:18]
ThickAsThieves no one eats shellac [18:18]
nubbins` ಠ_ಠ [18:18]
ThickAsThieves unless by mistake on table fruit [18:19]
nubbins` maybe we're talking about different things [18:19]
ThickAsThieves "Moose scat is commonly found on trails. Some souvenir shops sell bags of it, sealed with shellac and labeled with humorous names." [18:19]
nubbins` but i've seen bags of "moose droppings", "elk droppings", etc [18:19]
nubbins` and they're invariably chocolate-covered almonds [18:19]
ThickAsThieves peanuts are a variable! [18:19]
nubbins` i know this because i love chocolate covered almonds, and dislike feces, and have eaten many bags of "moose droppings" [18:19]
nubbins` and none of them have been shellacked poo [18:20]
ThickAsThieves [18:20]
ozbot Moose Poop Souvenirs | Alaskan Specialties [18:20]
ThickAsThieves booya [18:20]
nubbins` [18:20]
nubbins` booya [18:20]
ThickAsThieves you didnt quote candy [18:20]
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nubbins` [18:21]
nubbins` &c [18:21]
gribble Error: "c" is not a valid command. [18:21]
nubbins` hmm [18:21]
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nubbins` if you can find me a bag of shellacked shit with a humorous name, i'll accept defeat [18:21]
nubbins` but i still hold that the author of that caption is just confused [18:22]
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nubbins` [18:22]
ThickAsThieves why call the author confused when he details a thing that exists? [18:22]
ThickAsThieves very confusing ;) [18:23]
nubbins` [18:23]
ozbot Students tricked into eating moose poop by school staff - Manitoba - CBC News [18:23]
nubbins` LEL [18:24]
benkay_ good moooorning [18:24]
ThickAsThieves "Droppings stuck in girl's braces" [18:24]
nubbins` "Two Grade 8 teens from the school in Grand Marais, Man., were given the poop but told they were chocolate-covered almonds." [18:24]
benkay_ urbit is the greatest time sink ever [18:25]
ThickAsThieves "Not a joke, anti-bullying expert says" [18:25]
ThickAsThieves lol [18:25]
nubbins` "An international anti-bullying expert is shocked by the incident." [18:25]
nubbins` if it's not a joke, why can't i stop laughing? [18:25]
nubbins` aaaaaah hahahahaha [18:25]
ThickAsThieves to be an anti-bullying exper, must youi get beat up a lot? [18:25]
nubbins` see, "moose dropping" chocolate is so common that these kids legitimately had no idea that it might actually be poop [18:25]
nubbins` lel x 1000 [18:25]
nubbins` tat, i think it's a prerequisite [18:26]
ThickAsThieves what's this lel stuff? [18:26]
ThickAsThieves some 4channery i missed? [18:26]
nubbins` nah [18:26]
nubbins` i don't like using "lol" [18:26]
ThickAsThieves i used to be that way [18:26]
nubbins` but "hahahahaha" doesn't always work [18:26]
ThickAsThieves i gave up [18:26]
nubbins` so i figured saying "lel" would get the message across [18:26]
ThickAsThieves in a hipster way [18:27]
nubbins` and burn out some people in the process [18:27]
nubbins` hipster is an artificial construct [18:27]
ThickAsThieves you kids and your ideas [18:27]
saulimus löl [18:27]
nubbins` remember when we called them "metrosexuals"? [18:27]
benkay_ nubbins`: [18:27]
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ThickAsThieves metrosexuals were something else [18:27]
nubbins` another word to hate on people with personal style [18:27]
nubbins` same thing [18:28]
ThickAsThieves americans trying to look european [18:28]
ThickAsThieves :) [18:28]
pankkake thin? [18:28]
ThickAsThieves now americans trying to look european are known as rappers [18:28]
ThickAsThieves everyone in Amsterdam was much better looking that in the US [18:29]
ThickAsThieves dressed well [18:29]
ThickAsThieves etc [18:29]
ThickAsThieves must be all the cycling [18:29]
benkay_ all the not eating garbage [18:29]
ThickAsThieves mircea_popescu, i took a picture of all the bicycles for you but forgot to post it [18:30]
nubbins` all the everything [18:30]
mircea_popescu aww! [18:30]
nubbins` all the culture? [18:30]
nubbins` all the history [18:30]
ThickAsThieves then next day NY (i think) announced a plan to use ducts underground for trash [18:30]
nubbins` hahaha [18:30]
ThickAsThieves it's happening! [18:30]
nubbins` so basically just dump it in the sewers? [18:31]
ThickAsThieves no [18:31]
nubbins` "the water filters all this stuff out" [18:31]
ThickAsThieves mp says all transport and trash should route underground [18:31]
nubbins` good luck with that [18:31]
ThickAsThieves which isnt a bad idea [18:31]
nubbins` we can't even figure out underground electrical wires [18:31]
ThickAsThieves wireless trash! [18:31]
nubbins` you tend to stop seeing them after a while, but just take note of the massive amounts of wires strung all around the place the next time you're outside [18:32]
nubbins` it's retarded [18:32]
mircea_popescu nubbins` the dope dealers gotta strung the shoes somewhere... [18:32]
nubbins` they do headphones instead of shoes here [18:33]
ThickAsThieves the caption was sposed to be: mircea_popescu, what should i do? [18:33]
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assbot [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 16806 @ 0.00013533 = 2.2744 BTC [-] {10} [18:33]
ThickAsThieves shoulda brought a grenade [18:33]
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assbot [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1173 @ 0.00013 = 0.1525 BTC [-] [18:34]
mircea_popescu so what is this log, has nubbins` been scamming everyone with shis moose shit ipo ? [18:34]
ThickAsThieves weird, my camera makes square photos [18:34]
nubbins` dividends, &c [18:34]
mircea_popescu benkay_ wait till the strip poker hits! [18:34]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves burn them anyway. [18:35]
assbot [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 45000 @ 0.00012429 = 5.5931 BTC [-] {7} [18:35]
nubbins` speaking of shellac, we had some tenants move out a couple months ago [18:35]
nubbins` such a stink of cat shit/piss that we had to use shellac-base paint on the walls [18:35]
mircea_popescu how do you know it was cat shit. [18:36]
nubbins` they left 3 full litter boxes [18:36]
ThickAsThieves and he is an expert on droppings [18:36]
mircea_popescu people with cat syndrome. [18:36]
ThickAsThieves obv [18:36]
nubbins` well, i like chocolate covered almonds and cats [18:36]
nubbins` :P [18:36]
nubbins` im actually gonna upload the pictures i took after they "moved out" [18:37]
nubbins` gimme a couple minutes [18:37]
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jurov so i just found out some btct users used an address from online wallet that has no signature functions [18:39]
nubbins` bummer [18:39]
jurov there will be fun yet [18:39]
jurov first blood, then fun [18:39]
mircea_popescu so they get to pester the online wallet to implement signatures in order to get their w/e ? [18:40]
ThickAsThieves jurov you have like a small qty of holders no? [18:41]
ThickAsThieves you really need wallet sigs? [18:41]
ThickAsThieves arent you the only one that knows share counts? [18:41]
ThickAsThieves tell them to give that [18:41]
ThickAsThieves along with btct email and account name [18:41]
ThickAsThieves or such [18:41]
jurov yes not many but why not do things properly? [18:42]
ThickAsThieves you just said why ;) [18:42]
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jurov fortunately i can just pay out untransferred future contracts and be done with them [18:43]
benkay_ mircea_popescu: after I write this Nock interpreter and then learn Hoon... [18:43]
pankkake still a failure, why would they know he has those [18:43]
ozbot FBI struggles to seize 600,000 Bitcoins from alleged Silk Road founder | Technology | theguardian.c [18:43]
ThickAsThieves they dont know [18:44]
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ThickAsThieves isnt that amount extrapolated from their guess of commissions on their guess of all sales to date? [18:44]
jurov what, it's 600k now? [18:44]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves yup. [18:44]
pankkake oh, maybe [18:44]
mircea_popescu jurov the point about how im lolling at them for not making any forfeitures this turn around burned. [18:45]
mircea_popescu so they're trying :D [18:45]
ThickAsThieves the article also notes how since the fbi has his wallet, the coins cant be spent [18:45]
ThickAsThieves lol [18:45]
mircea_popescu herp [18:45]
mircea_popescu lmao. [18:45]
benkay_ yea superherp [18:45]
mircea_popescu the state is in for a rude awakening. [18:46]
mircea_popescu it will happen ion about one more week [18:46]
jurov i'm waiting out for revelation how much of these bitcoins they gave him [18:46]
mircea_popescu m,aybne two [18:46]
mircea_popescu at which point, watch the bitcoin foundation go in overdrive. [18:46]
benkay_ mircea_popescu: you refer to the debt ceiling? [18:46]
ThickAsThieves i'm still hoping that Ross isnt even the guy' [18:46]
ThickAsThieves would be so fun [18:46]
lewicki If the FBI confiscated all copies of the private key, then maybe. [18:46]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves here's a simple plan : pay someone a little coin to be the fall guy. [18:46]
mircea_popescu they can't prosecute you for something they already convicted someone else for. [18:47]
ThickAsThieves i just find it hard to believe that DPR would be this sloppy [18:47]
ThickAsThieves he KNEW he would get arrested one day [18:47]
ThickAsThieves so he MUST have a plan [18:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15037 @ 0.00084201 = 12.6613 BTC [+] {5} [18:47]
mircea_popescu he didn't plan on tor being a surveillance tool. [18:47]
lewicki public defender count? [18:47]
mircea_popescu the rest is "parallel construction" [18:47]
pankkake mircea_popescu: that wasn't how he was arrested at all so… [18:48]
jurov ThickAsThieves: what should he do? lend them to theymos for greater drama? [18:48]
ThickAsThieves how did fbi get the server copy anyway? [18:48]
pankkake and why would criminals crime if they thought they couldn't get away with it? [18:48]
pankkake he used a vpn to connect to the server [18:48]
pankkake and they asked the vpn [18:48]
ThickAsThieves and why was he living in a $1000 apartment? [18:49]
lewicki Even if the FBI only found out where the coins were stored. Eventually those coins would have to be used somewhere that could be "backtraced". Those mixers are not infallible [18:50]
pankkake not everyone needs to live in a mansion with two pools [18:50]
ThickAsThieves an apartment tho? [18:51]
mircea_popescu lewicki yes, yes they are. [18:51]
ThickAsThieves like why live witha roommate [18:51]
pankkake yes, that is weird indeed [18:51]
lewicki at what point do you say, 20...30..80 million is enough [18:51]
mircea_popescu because no friends ? [18:51]
ThickAsThieves so hang out at starbucks [18:51]
ThickAsThieves i dunno [18:51]
pankkake when I'm a trillionnaire I'll still live in a small appartment, but with people? no way! [18:51]
ThickAsThieves doesnt make sense [18:51]
ThickAsThieves if you have that much money [18:52]
ThickAsThieves you leave the US too [18:52]
mircea_popescu he didnt have that much money. [18:52]
mircea_popescu he struggled for three weeks to move a kg of coke. [18:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 1.3072 = 7.8432 BTC [-] {3} [18:52]
pankkake he could simply like where he lives [18:52]
mircea_popescu this is the definition of small timer. [18:52]
pankkake indeed that thing is weird [18:52]
pankkake why would the megaboss of the internet mafia do that? [18:53]
mircea_popescu the average car salesman sells more worth of car a day. [18:53]
mircea_popescu likely for a better cut, too. [18:53]
ThickAsThieves there will def be more to thi story [18:53]
pankkake a drug dealer is usually more honest than a car salesman though [18:54]
mircea_popescu my bet is that as the feds get enough of being humiliated it quietly drops into oblivion. [18:54]
benkay_ it's not unbelievable that the nerd running the SR show would know nothing about actually moving product [18:54]
ThickAsThieves wasnt really his job anyway [18:56]
mircea_popescu why did he get involved is what i want to know. [18:57]
mircea_popescu it's so stupid this shit. im torn as towhether to do a write-up of why it's stupid and in the process prove i understand the drug trade all too well or just stfu. [18:57]
benkay_ oh please do [18:58]
ThickAsThieves probably just a whim, coder says oh i can make a thing! [18:58]
ThickAsThieves then makes it live [18:58]
ThickAsThieves and just kinda rolls with it [18:58]
benkay_ then btctalk can add drug dealer to the list of epithets they spit [18:58]
mircea_popescu heh. [18:58]
ThickAsThieves isnt the story that there is an original and a 2nd owner? [18:59]
pankkake the issue is that he wasn't nerd enough. he made technical mistakes, and then wasn't paranoid enough, thought he has the street smarts or whatever [18:59]
ThickAsThieves i find that not believable [18:59]
ThickAsThieves technical mistakes sure, but not paranoid enough?! [18:59]
ThickAsThieves he aided in a drug supermarket [19:00]
Apocalyptic he posted under his real name... [19:00]
ThickAsThieves how could he not be paranoid [19:00]
Apocalyptic of course he wasn't paranoid enough [19:00]
ThickAsThieves allegedly [19:00]
ThickAsThieves maybe Ross is the original guy [19:01]
ThickAsThieves and realized quickly he was too deep [19:01]
ThickAsThieves and that he wasnt paranoid enough at the start [19:01]
ThickAsThieves so he sold it [19:01]
ThickAsThieves and now that guy is out there [19:01]
ThickAsThieves probly running BMR etc [19:02]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 1.40999999 = 2.82 BTC [+] [19:07]
ThickAsThieves [19:08]
ozbot BBC News - China tells US to avoid debt crisis for sake of global economy [19:08]
ThickAsThieves "We hope the United States fully understands the lessons of history," Mr Zhu said [19:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 1.41 BTC [+] [19:08]
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Rulother hah [19:09]
Rulother China should know the US better by no [19:09]
Rulother now* [19:09]
kakobrekla China will grow larger. [19:09]
jcpham us fracks like crazy: [19:10]
jurov Rulother and what can China do? covertyl assassinate few tea partiers? [19:12]
kakobrekla > [19:12]
Rulother If we were only so lucky [19:13]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.013632 = 0.3408 BTC [+] {2} [19:37]
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mircea_popescu benkay_ [20:00]
mircea_popescu enjoy. [20:00]
benkay_ oooh [20:00]
ThickAsThieves hmm google docs is not letting me paste into google a spreadsheet without installing google drive for chrome (i'm using opera) [20:01]
ThickAsThieves suddenly [20:01]
benkay_ pallet ;) [20:01]
mircea_popescu pellet lol [20:03]
mircea_popescu pew pew [20:03]
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benkay_ waaat [20:05]
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ThickAsThieves lol [20:16]
Kleeck__ wtf [20:17]
ThickAsThieves Honey I Shrunk Fox News [20:17]
mircea_popescu lol [20:17]
assbot [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 60 @ 0.00375 = 0.225 BTC [-] [20:18]
dexX7 lol [20:18]
dexX7 reminds me of [20:18]
Kleeck__ Bigger screems means we're more relevant, right? RIGHT GUIZ?! [20:19]
ThickAsThieves now every foxnews viewer will be compelled to get a tablet [20:20]
mircea_popescu 1 btc to the first person that hacks into their tablets and puts cp on. [20:20]
mircea_popescu resulting in all of fox news being put on the sex offender register [20:20]
Duffer1 they'd blame obama [20:21]
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ThickAsThieves bigger bounty deserved! [20:21]
Duffer1 get off scot free [20:21]
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ThickAsThieves I'll add 2btc, but not cp, I want mp on a horse [20:21]
mircea_popescu i think that horse was underage anyway. [20:22]
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chris_ you can settle for mp on a camel now [20:28]
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mircea_popescu i dunno if i made camel pix [20:30]
b0n1 is there any back and lay betting exchange for btc? [20:35]
b0n1 like betfair [20:35]
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mircea_popescu about a dozen people tried and failed. if you care to understand the reasons i can link you to a write-up. [20:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.01300059 = 1.3001 BTC [-] {5} [20:39]
b0n1 yeah, would be nice [20:39]
b0n1 is it the low volume problem on startup? [20:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.013 = 0.585 BTC [-] {2} [20:40]
mircea_popescu nah [20:40]
mircea_popescu lemme see ehre [20:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.01264222 = 3.7927 BTC [-] {10} [20:41]
mircea_popescu [20:42]
ozbot Least likely to succeed character : The upseller pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [20:42]
mircea_popescu 2nd half is the meat of it. [20:42]
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b0n1 you mean the liquidity problem? [20:46]
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mircea_popescu nope. [20:46]
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assbot [BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 16 @ 0.0219375 = 0.351 BTC [+] {2} [20:49]
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jborkl I stopped by and talked to Cointerra in person [20:52]
mircea_popescu o hey. what's he say ? [20:53]
jborkl There was 3 of them, I got to see renderings that are not published yet- talked for about 1.5 hours- I also told them the advantages of listing on MPEX [20:53]
mircea_popescu 3 cointerras ?! how many drinks did you have ? :D [20:54]
mircea_popescu anyway, article incoming i trust ? [20:54]
jborkl yes and I have access to preferred pricing for interested parties [20:55]
jborkl I will put a article in a little while [20:55]
mircea_popescu lol you're a distributor nao ? [20:55]
jborkl no [20:56]
dexX7 jborkl: where do you publish your article? [20:56]
jborkl - I will put it up in a hour or so [20:56]
dexX7 ty [20:56]
jborkl I asked them why they listed with Pico and not MPEX [20:57]
mircea_popescu what'd they say ? [20:58]
jborkl What they said made sense, for the US- Pico is a holding co and buys a block from them. You actually buy Pico holding and not Cointerra [20:59]
dexX7 wait, the listing there is legit? [20:59]
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mircea_popescu dexX7 im about as amazed myself. [21:00]
pankkake yeah [21:00]
pankkake communication is terrible though [21:00]
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ThickAsThieves ridiculous... [21:01]
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mircea_popescu tapeout 28nm... so what's this, march ? [21:01]
jborkl The listing at Pico is Cointerra, I can tell you that [21:01]
jborkl I asked him point blank [21:01]
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ThickAsThieves still ridic [21:02]
jborkl They say, shipping is December - Remember I am not promoting or pumping anything- just telling you what I went by and saw [21:02]
ThickAsThieves thats not why i'm saying it's ridic [21:02]
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pankkake so do they really plan to mine too? [21:03]
dexX7 well. i'm still not 100 % convinced. tytus is the one who created the listing, that's no new info, so i'm not surprised that he confirms the listing. [21:03]
pankkake because the pico guy said "maybe or maybe not" [21:03]
mircea_popescu well that's good, cause I can make a bet,. [21:03]
jborkl They said they will have a datacenter in Dallas, TX [21:03]
mircea_popescu o wait, they don't sell units ? [21:03]
jborkl yes they do [21:04]
pankkake they do, and their initial plan was to do only that [21:04]
jborkl they will have hosting (3rd party) and selling units [21:04]
mircea_popescu mkay. [21:04]
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jborkl The units I saw (final design I think) has liquid cooling standard - has 2 900 w power supplies and draws at the wall approx 1300 [21:05]
ThickAsThieves whats their customer protection plan? [21:05]
jborkl did not ask that [21:05]
jborkl I do not believe on protection plans excpt condoms [21:05]
ThickAsThieves it's not a matter of belief [21:05]
jborkl I did not ask that question [21:06]
pankkake [21:06]
ozbot Price Protection – CoinTerra [21:06]
jborkl I asked almost everything else [21:06]
ThickAsThieves not the best plan :/ [21:07]
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jborkl Chips are supposed to be from (700 grade a to 500 grade d) I assigned the a-d values myself [21:07]
pankkake but you can get a better deal, it seems: [21:07]
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ThickAsThieves lol that deal sucks too [21:08]
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ThickAsThieves 30% per month? [21:08]
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pankkake oh, right, I confused thirty and thirteen [21:08]
ThickAsThieves "I can't wait to see where share price goes once we list on a new exchange, and as we get closer and closer to delivery" [21:08]
jborkl I was told the deal I could get, and I think I could do a little better even [21:09]
ThickAsThieves only one protection plan makes sense, discount = diff increase [21:09]
ThickAsThieves or hashpower [21:10]
pankkake bfl would be bankrupt! [21:10]
ThickAsThieves shouldnt they be? [21:10]
Au-WireBeard Im sure theyve drafted notice [21:10]
pankkake I'm not sure it would be better for customers - they would get nothing [21:11]
jborkl If they actually make this chip, BFL is screwed (like they were not before?) [21:11]
ThickAsThieves pankkake BFL customers are already in that spot no? [21:11]
ThickAsThieves many of them [21:11]
ThickAsThieves the point here isnt to drive the company into the ground [21:12]
pankkake yes, still half screwed is better than fully screwed? [21:12]
ThickAsThieves it's to force them to name a real release date [21:12]
ThickAsThieves and sell at a real price [21:12]
pankkake jborkl: well, they have preorders, so maybe only for new orders [21:12]
assbot [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 25 @ 0.0041 = 0.1025 BTC [+] [21:12]
pankkake maybe customer protection should be provided by a third party [21:13]
mircea_popescu how do bfl customers have a prayer ? [21:13]
mircea_popescu they ordered when diff was <1% of current [21:13]
ThickAsThieves how would that work pankkake? [21:13]
assbot [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 111 @ 0.00154979 = 0.172 BTC [+] {3} [21:13]
mircea_popescu ya srsly. [21:13]
jborkl isnt that just mining diff futures? [21:14]
pankkake an insurance type of thing? [21:14]
pankkake probably, except not really tied to a hardware release [21:14]
ThickAsThieves doesnt work in this case [21:14]
assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 40 @ 0.0499 = 1.996 BTC [+] [21:14]
assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 19 @ 0.01349 = 0.2563 BTC [+] [21:14]
ThickAsThieves the problem being addresses is that these companies are putting all risks onto the customers [21:15]
ThickAsThieves addressed* [21:15]
pankkake what I have in mind is that the companies finance the thing, but it's a pool; that way customers can feel safe even if the companies go bankrupt [21:15]
ThickAsThieves and what of the insurance company? [21:15]
ThickAsThieves they only profit if things ship on time [21:16]
ThickAsThieves otherwise they die [21:16]
ThickAsThieves the equation must put risk on the manufacturer [21:16]
pankkake the manufacturer pays the insurer, and gets its money back if it ships on time? [21:16]
ThickAsThieves no escaping that [21:16]
mircea_popescu how;s the manufacturer paying the insurer, [21:17]
kakobrekla preorders allow for that risk to be mitigated [21:17]
kakobrekla people themself allow this to happen to themself [21:17]
mircea_popescu wjhen 99% of cases manufacturer can't afford a 100 btc bitbet ? [21:17]
pankkake yes, the how is an issue :) [21:17]
mircea_popescu that'd allow the customers to buy insurance, at a market-established fair premium [21:17]
mircea_popescu but... ask them about it. [21:17]
pankkake the bet is all-or-nothing though [21:17]
dexX7 maybe you should work on a better promotion/presentation. it is indeed a good idea, but "wtf is bitbet, why is this relevant" [21:17]
assbot [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 452 @ 0.001589 = 0.7182 BTC [+] {2} [21:17]
ThickAsThieves it doesnt matter [21:18]
ThickAsThieves to participate is to put attention on the risk [21:18]
ThickAsThieves they dont want that [21:18]
ThickAsThieves since the risk is all yours [21:18]
ThickAsThieves 100btc is nothing [21:18]
ThickAsThieves doesnt preclude customers from being ripped [21:19]
lewicki tat, eta on video of presentation? [21:19]
ThickAsThieves 2 weeks [21:19]
mircea_popescu right-o. [21:20]
pankkake what can you do if your ETA is really two weeks? say 14 days? [21:20]
pankkake 2.00001 week? [21:21]
kakobrekla just after soon enough [21:21]
Au-WireBeard 336 hours from now [21:21]
pankkake 2100 blocks! [21:21]
pankkake 2016* [21:22]
mircea_popescu ;;tslb [21:25]
gribble Time since last block: 3 minutes and 10 seconds [21:25]
nubbins` im gonna start using blocks as a measure of distance [21:25]
nubbins` "oh, that's only three blocks away" [21:25]
mircea_popescu so here we go : [21:25]
mircea_popescu [21:25]
nubbins` but the joke will be on you! [21:25]
ozbot BitBet - Cointerra will deliver in 2013 [21:26]
pankkake the good thing about that rising difficulty, is that now bitcoin = litecoin [21:26]
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ThickAsThieves the only thing litecoin has left going for it is for a major exchange to support it [21:28]
ThickAsThieves otherwise it's usless [21:28]
ThickAsThieves it goes down when btc goes up [21:28]
dexX7 ?? [21:28]
ozbot BitBet - ActiveMining will be profitable for most investors [21:28]
ThickAsThieves and down when btc goes down [21:29]
dexX7 this bet is closed? [21:29]
pankkake there are some fiat exchanges supporting it. but it's just one step anyway, so why would it change that much? [21:29]
dexX7 oh [21:29]
dexX7 nvm [21:29]
ThickAsThieves "Should disappear before that date or should proof emerge of failure to pay any liquid and exigible debt to any investor this bet resolves as No." [21:29]
dexX7 lol [21:29]
dexX7 yes [21:29]
pankkake eh… that certainly wasn't my intent when creating the bet [21:29]
pankkake it was on BitFunder at the time, and still is [21:29]
pankkake and I didn't write that text [21:30]
ThickAsThieves answer will still be No [21:30]
pankkake now people are going to be angry at me [21:30]
ThickAsThieves dont worry [21:30]
mircea_popescu dexX7 well cause btctc crapped ouit [21:30]
pankkake still a very bad way to handle things [21:30]
dexX7 yes, i was hasty [21:30]
mircea_popescu pankkake welcome to bitbet, a game of unpredictable consequences. [21:31]
ThickAsThieves let's just put that condition on all bets [21:31]
pankkake I regret promoting a bet I didn't specify fully then [21:31]
mircea_popescu i suppose it can be remade to reference bitfunder isntead [21:31]
ThickAsThieves Red Sox will win world series, this bet resolves as No if Bitfunder closes [21:31]
mircea_popescu lol [21:31]
pankkake and I'm unhappy about *winning*, let's be clear [21:32]
mircea_popescu moar like "red sox will win world series, this bet resolves as no if world series doesn't exist anymoar" [21:32]
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dexX7 then you should have read the bet more carefully? [21:32]
mircea_popescu ya next time don't win on bets you didn't read carefully. [21:32]
pankkake :D [21:32]
pankkake no but see, I wrote the bet, except the last part [21:33]
ThickAsThieves i thought the whole point of btc investing was to profit by mistake? [21:33]
mircea_popescu i guess so [21:33]
ThickAsThieves and that gambling = investing [21:33]
mircea_popescu so it's now 5.06 to 0.04 [21:33]
mircea_popescu anyone got any confidence at all in cointerra delivering ? [21:33]
ThickAsThieves didnt CT already say delivery is in Jan? [21:33]
mircea_popescu They say, shipping is December - Remember I am not promoting or pumping anything- just telling you what I went by and saw [21:34]
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ThickAsThieves [21:34]
pankkake mircea_popescu: I think they will, but I'm to going vote No as an hedge [21:34]
ThickAsThieves their own site says Jan [21:35]
BingoBoingo pankkake: You don't vote on bets, you bet on them [21:35]
dexX7 do you have orders on ct, pankkake? [21:35]
pankkake kinda [21:35]
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mircea_popescu TerraMiner II – 1TH/s, Networked ASIC Miner (Early January Batch) [21:35]
mircea_popescu this would imply there's an earlier teraminer i neh ? [21:36]
pankkake december batches are sold already, as I understand [21:36]
dexX7 ah i see [21:36]
dexX7 so there were dec orders? [21:36]
mircea_popescu apparently. [21:36]
pankkake [21:36]
dexX7 according to their resume, they are the creme de la creme [21:37]
ThickAsThieves oh [21:37]
pankkake yes. though it isn't everything. and it seems to be their *only* way of saying they're the best [21:37]
ThickAsThieves my bad [21:37]
dexX7 well, they are new and have no finished product yet [21:38]
asciilifeform funstuff: [21:38]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform does it hold true for metal case ? [21:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00084194 = 5.5568 BTC [-] {2} [21:41]
asciilifeform yes, unless the latter is 1) grounded 2) has no openings larger than the wavelength in question [21:41]
asciilifeform see: 'Faraday's cage.' [21:41]
jborkl yes, they said there were December orders [21:41]
mircea_popescu it would be solid, so no openings. [21:42]
asciilifeform solid + grounded works. [21:42]
mircea_popescu grounded is actually no good i suspect, [21:42]
mircea_popescu antenna effect [21:42]
mircea_popescu better to have it POWERED [21:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 4630 @ 0.00126881 = 5.8746 BTC [+] {2} [21:43]
asciilifeform power line becomes a potential antenna in that case [21:43]
ThickAsThieves battery [21:44]
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asciilifeform ThickAsThieves: idea is that you want to disperse any excess charge on the case as quickly as possible. [21:44]
mircea_popescu or dilute it. [21:45]
asciilifeform it also depends if you're trying to merely keep RF in, or also out. [21:45]
ThickAsThieves so can kb be made with a "jammer" [21:46]
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ThickAsThieves something that inserts random waves or such [21:46]
asciilifeform i've often thought about cobbling together a keyboard based on pinched optical fibers for the scanning matrix [21:46]
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mircea_popescu the correct solution is to buy your own acre [21:46]
mircea_popescu and shoot anyone that trespasses [21:46]
ThickAsThieves hehe [21:46]
ThickAsThieves or something like how noise cancellation works [21:47]
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pankkake or lead walls [21:49]
ThickAsThieves what about an all-digital kb? like with an lcd display [21:49]
ThickAsThieves or such [21:49]
ThickAsThieves [21:50]
ThickAsThieves the next Cyprus btc bubble? [21:50]
ThickAsThieves [21:53]
nubbins` i dont get this debt ceiling thing [21:53]
ThickAsThieves is this what the romanian btc conference will be like? [21:53]
nubbins` why don't they just raise it to infinity [21:53]
nubbins` it's not like it matters [21:53]
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mircea_popescu o yeah, i should do a reminder. [21:56]
assbot [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 228 @ 0.00122 = 0.2782 BTC [-] [21:56]
mircea_popescu dear peoples : please bear in mind [21:56]
kakobrekla dafuq is Ven [21:56]
kakobrekla;topicseen [21:56]
mircea_popescu substantial discount if you get your vip seats this year. [21:56]
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kakobrekla what two vips and both losers [21:57]
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assbot [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 76 @ 0.00402105 = 0.3056 BTC [-] {2} [21:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 1.27578034 = 38.2734 BTC [-] {8} [21:57]
ThickAsThieves treehugger coins [21:58]
mircea_popescu some hippy shit [21:58]
mircea_popescu yeah [21:58]
pankkake ven was some hype private currency a while ago [21:58]
mircea_popescu was the herp-business nefario was discussing at his pre-sudden death conference [21:58]
mircea_popescu that was the "big thing" [21:59]
kakobrekla o yeah i have some backflashes [21:59]
mircea_popescu remember ven ? [21:59]
mircea_popescu lemme grep. i like to grep. [21:59]
kakobrekla vaugley [21:59]
pankkake "The value of Ven is determined on the financial markets from a basket of currencies, commodities and carbon futures." [21:59]
kakobrekla aaaa [21:59]
* kakobrekla pukes [21:59]
kakobrekla krakens are retarded :( [22:00]
pankkake I'm sure they're only doing it because Ven paid them [22:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 74 @ 0.01253539 = 0.9276 BTC [-] {8} [22:00]
kakobrekla ok, not retarded but whores, then. [22:00]
mircea_popescu Oct 15 04:19:18 i tend to recall this ridiculous Ven thing being a bluechip asset. [22:01]
mircea_popescu that's a year ago [22:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 1.25000001 = 16.25 BTC [-] {3} [22:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 0.12999998 BTC [+] [22:01]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 32 @ 1.26612499 = 40.516 BTC [-] {5} [22:01]
mircea_popescu Sep 22 04:42:04 nefario i've been perusing with much amusement your summaries of discussions with "lawyers" [22:02]
mircea_popescu Sep 22 04:42:06 stick to ven. [22:02]
mircea_popescu lmao aww [22:02]
zoinky can still trade on btct? [22:02]
mircea_popescu Sep 22 03:32:07 Yeah I'm dropping ven [22:02]
kakobrekla can still trade on glbse? [22:02]
kakobrekla ;;seen nefari [22:02]
gribble I have not seen nefari. [22:02]
zoinky lol [22:02]
kakobrekla ;;seen nefario [22:02]
gribble nefario was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 1 week, 5 days, 23 hours, 2 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: Those assets are not listed or traded anymore [22:02]
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kakobrekla here! [22:02]
mircea_popescu Sep 22 03:16:18 I don't actually exist [22:02]
mircea_popescu Sep 22 03:16:20 just a bot [22:02]
mircea_popescu Sep 22 03:16:26 and incidentally, it occurs to me i still don't see your connection to bitcoin. [22:02]
mircea_popescu Sep 22 03:16:29 you're a ven developer. [22:02]
mircea_popescu Sep 20 17:04:40 kakobrekla: you think Ven is scamconomy? then WTF has bitcoin turned into? [22:03]
mircea_popescu Sep 20 16:18:30 >Learn about our historic commodity and carbon credit trades using Ven. [22:03]
mircea_popescu Sep 20 16:18:32 omfg [22:03]
mircea_popescu Sep 20 16:18:35 green nazi ppl [22:03]
mircea_popescu Sep 20 16:19:57 ban carbon credits [22:03]
mircea_popescu anyway, that's the gist of it. [22:03]
kakobrekla O_o [22:04]
kakobrekla i still hold dat opinion [22:05]
mircea_popescu cause you're stubborn! ven has come such a long way since last autumn [22:05]
mircea_popescu its tits sag a little more now! [22:06]
pankkake well, carbon credits are a scam. or more exactly, warmists invented carbon credits to profit from their scam :) [22:06]
mircea_popescu and then the russian mafia beat them to the punch. [22:06]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.393 BTC [+] [22:06]
pankkake the russian mafia sells carbon credits? [22:06]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla actually, 3 losers! list updated. [22:08]
mircea_popescu pankkake [22:09]
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pankkake I don't understand how/why [22:10]
mircea_popescu because it's a racket. [22:11]
mircea_popescu and rackets are what the mob does. [22:11]
mircea_popescu what's to understand ? [22:11]
asciilifeform 'when buying & selling are regulated, the 1st thing to be bought'n'sold is the regulators' (ms. rand?) [22:11]
mircea_popescu for the record : "A racket is a service that is fraudulently offered to solve a problem, such as for a problem that does not actually exist, will not be affected, or would not otherwise exist." [22:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1641 @ 0.00124 = 2.0348 BTC [-] {2} [22:11]
pankkake yes, but then governments are the criminals already, why would the russian mafia sell carbon credits? [22:12]
mircea_popescu because the mafia is more efficiently organised, by more determined, better people than any government [22:12]
mircea_popescu thus any lucrative racket is taken over from any govt. [22:13]
pankkake well, they probably would give me better health insurance, but it isn't happening yet :p [22:13]
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pankkake anyway, I suppose you know about al gore owning a carbon credit company [22:14]
mircea_popescu yeh [22:14]
kakobrekla [22:14]
nubbins` "warmists" [22:15]
nubbins` lel [22:15]
kakobrekla >FBI struggles to seize 600,000 Bitcoins from alleged Silk Road founder [22:15]
nubbins` kakobrekla: read that, heavy lels [22:15]
ThickAsThieves what do they pay court artists these days? peanuts? [22:15]
nubbins` tat, lsd sugar cubes [22:15]
nubbins` apparently [22:15]
kakobrekla lol [22:16]
ThickAsThieves is that an antenna coming out of his head? [22:16]
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ThickAsThieves "Even if the FBI is not able to transfer the money, merely having possession of the wallet file itself is enough to prevent the coins being spent. The Bureau is in a position equivalent to having seized a safe belonging to a suspect with no idea of the combination – and no hope of forcing it open any other way." [22:17]
nubbins` i think it's the edge where those two alternate planes of reality meet [22:17]
mircea_popescu how retarded are these people ? [22:17]
nubbins` no hope of forcing it open! [22:17]
nubbins` i give it a week before the coins vanish [22:17]
ThickAsThieves any other way than what? [22:17]
assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 20 @ 0.04998 = 0.9996 BTC [+] {2} [22:17]
kakobrekla do we know where they are parked? [22:18]
asciilifeform nobody cancelled rectothermal cryptoanalysis! [22:18]
nubbins` any other way than with the "combination" [22:18]
ThickAsThieves kako, we dont know they exist imo [22:18]
mircea_popescu "the bureau is in a position equivalent to having snatched copies of michelle obama masturbating on camera [22:18]
mircea_popescu even if this does nothing for her, they can certainly jack off in peace" [22:18]
ThickAsThieves with the lens cap on [22:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00084331 = 4.9755 BTC [+] {2} [22:18]
ThickAsThieves you can still hear the squishy noises! [22:19]
ThickAsThieves sorry [22:19]
mircea_popescu and all the other people that have copies can even see it! [22:19]
mircea_popescu "The Dixie Mafia is a criminal organization based in Biloxi, Mississippi, and operated primarily in the Southern United States" [22:19]
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mircea_popescu i just fell over laughing [22:19]
nubbins` WHOA [22:22]
nubbins` [22:22]
ozbot Bitcoin Transaction c99eab8a071d91ce60de038c0d6bff8a51d9f566ef977edc91f6bcf091b7c06f [22:22]
nubbins` Public Note: Eu sou do Brasil... Eu quero expressar minha opinião sobre a drogas... o governo prende quem vende drogas só por causa que não da lucro para o governo... então acaba com com o cigarro com as bebidas alcoólicas... [22:23]
dexX7 Public Notice: I'm from Brazil ... I want to express my opinion on drugs ... the government holds those who sell drugs just because they do not profit from the government ... then ends with the cigarette with alcohol ... [22:23]
nubbins` oh, sorry, that note is attached to the previous tx (0.00012 BTC) [22:23]
nubbins` lel [22:23]
nubbins` nevermind [22:23]
dexX7 oh [22:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00084353 = 5.5251 BTC [+] [22:24]
nubbins` i guess they're still transferring coin from sr -> fbi [22:24]
mircea_popescu lmao all the people emailing [22:24]
pankkake "This seizure was only legal because bitcoin is not recognized as a currency" lol [22:24]
ThickAsThieves lol it's his AM dividend [22:25]
nubbins` yeah [22:25]
nubbins` these comments are about the same caliber as youtube comments [22:26]
mircea_popescu pretty much. [22:26]
nubbins` [22:26]
ozbot Bitcoin Transaction db3ed0a71adb085df9ef190c20a4fcf36ef8988bff86eeeccd7ed6328aa3381a [22:26]
asciilifeform nah, the 250btc was the fee for taking the soldering out of his arse for ten minutes. [22:26]
ThickAsThieves "Evolution did not end with us growing opposable thumbs. You do know that, right? There's another 90 percent of our brains that we have to illuminate." [22:26]
ThickAsThieves indeed. [22:27]
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pankkake ;;bc,stats [22:30]
gribble Current Blocks: 262271 | Current Difficulty: 1.8928124928103292E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 264095 | Next Difficulty In: 1824 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 22 hours, 7 minutes, and 3 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 216225003.241 | Estimated Percent Change: 14.23477 [22:30]
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jborkl oh more KNC fire pics [22:38]
jborkl Fire! Fire [22:38]
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pankkake post! [22:39]
assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 15 @ 0.0504 = 0.756 BTC [+] {3} [22:39]
jborkl [22:39]
ozbot Beavis and Butthead - FIRE FIRE! FIRE! FIRE! - YouTube [22:39]
kakobrekla urlpls [22:39]
jborkl [22:39]
ozbot KnCBurner v2 - Imgur [22:39]
pankkake wasn't a miner named bitburner? [22:40]
jborkl 3rd one I have seen [22:40]
jborkl lol yeah [22:40]
dexX7 pankkake: yup, avalon board by burnin [22:40]
kakobrekla eh thats only a small fire [22:40]
kakobrekla just a fleshwound [22:41]
jborkl the 3 pics I have seen - they are all popping in the same spots [22:41]
mircea_popescu kik [22:41]
mircea_popescu jborkl this is suspicious. if caps bust they should bust moire distributedly. [22:41]
mircea_popescu maybe there's an underlying fault in the pmb. [22:41]
dub tis but a scratch [22:41]
jborkl yeah, it is strange that they have done it in the same spot basically- so I would agree there is a common problem and not random failure [22:43]
jborkl .tslb [22:44]
ozbot 61.27 minutes [22:44]
mod6 sweet, got my destroyer up and working [22:44]
jborkl yeah, over an hour [22:44]
pankkake if you want better explosions [22:44]
jborkl fuck you diff 189 [22:44]
ThickAsThieves mp what was the name of those notes that govs use to deal in large amounts of money? [22:44]
ThickAsThieves started with an S [22:44]
ThickAsThieves i think [22:45]
dub [22:45]
ozbot Sick of Your Local Police Force? Crowdfund Your Own - Slashdot [22:45]
dub inb4 buttcoin IPO for private police [22:45]
pankkake oh, nice. i thought this would be about the detroit guy [22:45]
dub Unlike Kickstarter, the Crowdtilt campaigns don't feature fabulous prizes for contributing; gifting $100, for example, won't entitle you to 'One (1) free "accidental" shooting of your choice.' [22:46]
pankkake not even a free anal cavity search? [22:47]
lyspooner hello everyone! did somesone say free anal cavity search? [22:47]
jborkl [22:47]
ozbot KNCburner - Imgur [22:47]
jborkl [22:48]
ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer [22:48]
jborkl I burned mine in on testnet [22:49]
jborkl lol [22:49]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves s ?! [22:49]
pankkake SDR [22:50]
mircea_popescu lol has nothing to do with large amts of money >D [22:51]
mircea_popescu nor are they notes. so ftw. [22:51]
mircea_popescu special drawing rights are a gold substitute, basically, since nixon. [22:51]
ThickAsThieves thats the thing [22:51]
ThickAsThieves i wanted to read up on it better [22:51]
ThickAsThieves obv my understanding is wrong :) [22:52]
mircea_popescu you understand how the fed system works, rgiht ? [22:53]
ThickAsThieves basically i had no memory of the SDR topic when we last spoke about it, just knew it was something to do with governments [22:54]
ThickAsThieves but i recall you mentioning how bitcoin could be good for like purposes [22:54]
ThickAsThieves and i want more arguments as to why bitcoins ultimate use isnt necessarily as a currency to buy coffee [22:54]
mircea_popescu mkay. so the fed system works thusly : instead of the various banks shipping bullion back and forth as people deposit/withdraw money, [22:55]
mircea_popescu they just re-allocate shares of holdings in these fed mystery boxes [22:55]
mircea_popescu which meanwhile are empty, but that doesn't matter. [22:55]
ThickAsThieves like the ones germany wants to visit [22:55]
ThickAsThieves but cant [22:55]
mircea_popescu this process was very advanced for the 50s, and so it gave an edge to the banks. [22:55]
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mircea_popescu now, sdrs are an attempt to implement a similar mechanism in international trade, [22:55]
mircea_popescu so that countries can just re-allocate their debt to each other through this mechanism [22:56]
mircea_popescu it was never fully implemented, and it never worked too well in practice, [22:56]
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mircea_popescu cheifly because too many cooks involved, and some of them french [22:56]
ThickAsThieves "The SDR comes to prominence when the US dollar is weak or otherwise unsuitable to be a foreign exchange reserve asset. This usually manifests itself as an allocation of SDRs to IMF member countries. Distrust of the US dollar is not the only stated reason allocations have been made, however." says wiki [22:57]
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mircea_popescu not really. afaik they were most proeminent due to a sudden liquidity systemic shock caused by the arab hike [22:58]
ThickAsThieves "China has also suggested the creation of a substitution account to allow exchange of US dollars into SDRs.[Williamson 3] When substitution was proposed before, in 1978, the US appeared reluctant to allow such a mechanism to become operational.[Williamson 4] It is likely just as reluctant today." [22:58]
mircea_popescu it was never really important since then [22:58]
ThickAsThieves so basically the US only likes dealing in financial instruments that don't require provable backing [22:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00084381 = 10.1257 BTC [+] {2} [23:00]
mircea_popescu this is universal. [23:00]
mircea_popescu people have been wanting to short mpex for a year, [23:00]
mircea_popescu provided they don't have to post any collateral. [23:00]
mircea_popescu they would bet, except bitbet requires the actual btc. etc. [23:01]
ThickAsThieves or sell miners, without taking any risk [23:01]
mircea_popescu indeed. [23:01]
assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 10 @ 0.053 = 0.53 BTC [+] [23:03]
mircea_popescu sdrs are backed by a basket of other fiats. it's not that much backing in the first place. [23:04]
mircea_popescu moreover, as the proportion is fixed, they have all the disadvantages of a bimetallic system, which are marked. [23:04]
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ThickAsThieves now if i recall, your background is in business consulting, why so much finance knowledge? [23:05]
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mircea_popescu lol the crime iof knowing too much. [23:05]
mircea_popescu business consulting doesn't necessarily mean working for small businesses you know. [23:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 263 @ 0.00121002 = 0.3182 BTC [-] {3} [23:06]
ThickAsThieves sure, but your degree of knowledge probably rivals most that are dedicated to the field [23:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 251 @ 0.00120817 = 0.3033 BTC [-] {3} [23:07]
mircea_popescu as flattering as that may be, knowledge and understanding are sometimes divergent. [23:07]
benkay_ mircea_popescu: what are the sundry disadvantages of bimetallic systems? [23:07]
mircea_popescu anyone can learn what the chess pieces are. [23:07]
ThickAsThieves true [23:08]
benkay_ (few can memorize the opening trees, much less play the chaotic variants) [23:08]
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mircea_popescu benkay_ you have two metals that both work in the same capacity, and you fix an exchange rate between them which you can't easily change. [23:08]
mircea_popescu as a result you'll constantly be arbitraged out of value. [23:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 286 @ 0.00120005 = 0.3432 BTC [-] {3} [23:08]
mircea_popescu if the yen is 11.6675% of a sdr and 11.6672% of the world economy people will short one and long the other somehow. this slowly whittles your holdings towards them. [23:09]
mircea_popescu on paper this sounds like nothing at all, but in practice the fabled soros breaking of the bank of england was this, fundamentally. [23:10]
benkay_ o hey [23:10]
benkay_ thanks [23:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] 2000 @ 0.00059999 = 1.2 BTC [+] [23:11]
robitnik TAT, the NeoBee migration to Havelock seems to be going smoothly. Nice work. [23:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 140 @ 0.00084387 = 0.1181 BTC [+] [23:12]
assbot [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 5000 @ 0.000165 = 0.825 BTC [-] [23:13]
ThickAsThieves thx, Havelock made it easy [23:14]
ThickAsThieves still trying to reach Ukyo... [23:14]
mircea_popescu but anyway, back to the point : i didn't use sdrs as an example of the role of bitcoin. [23:15]
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mircea_popescu i used sdrs as an example of a currency item that can never be bought or held by joe scjhmoe. [23:15]
mircea_popescu yet nevertheelss has a nonzero value [23:15]
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ThickAsThieves I see [23:16]
ThickAsThieves so do you have specific predictions for how btc will be used in your possible future? [23:17]
mircea_popescu well yes, take for instance the letter of credit. [23:18]
ThickAsThieves international remittance seems the next wave [23:18]
mircea_popescu something like that. [23:18]
mircea_popescu currently if i wish to pay a supplier I must apply to a bank, which may within a month or so issue me a loc, provided [23:18]
mircea_popescu the supplier is on the us approved lists of suppluiers that may be paid, and the bank feels like doing it and so on and so forth. [23:18]
mircea_popescu or i can just send them 50k btc within a half hour and be done with it. [23:19]
ThickAsThieves sounda an awful lot like a check [23:19]
ThickAsThieves sounds* [23:19]
mircea_popescu well yes. a loc is basically a large industrial check. [23:20]
mircea_popescu they also cost way too much for what they do. [23:20]
ThickAsThieves more like a cahsier's check i suppose [23:20]
lyspooner Bitbook raided by the FBI? [23:20]
mircea_popescu more like a certified draft or w.e [23:20]
dub wtf is a bitbook [23:21]
ThickAsThieves nice article [23:21]
mircea_popescu very popular ?! [23:21]
mircea_popescu da fuck i never heard of it ? [23:21]
lyspooner hang on let me Tineye that image [23:21]
dub credible news source to boot [23:21]
pankkake sports betting only it seems [23:22]
mircea_popescu o hey looky, bootstrap [23:22]
mircea_popescu Forbidden (403) [23:22]
mircea_popescu CSRF verification failed. Request aborted. [23:22]
mircea_popescu You are seeing this message because this HTTPS site requires a 'Referer header' to be sent by your Web browser, but none was sent. [23:22]
mircea_popescu herp. [23:22]
kakobrekla url? [23:22]
pankkake [23:23]
mircea_popescu [23:23]
mircea_popescu that shit's dope. [23:23]
mircea_popescu i guess there IS a sr alternative now ? [23:24]
dub oh snap [23:24]
mircea_popescu ha! you were last once dub boy! [23:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 1.2 = 8.4 BTC [-] {2} [23:25]
lyspooner the bitstarsite used the picture from somewhere else [23:26]
assbot [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 29391 @ 0.00012161 = 3.5742 BTC [-] {5} [23:26]
mircea_popescu anyway, here's a funny thing re locs that'll probably make anyone jealous. [23:26]
mircea_popescu my bank here in romania is giving me free securitized BLO forms which I may use for any amt, even 50 bux, [23:26]
dub so that 'blog' is 100% referral begging posts [23:26]
mircea_popescu and they DO include the extra call to release which is basically all a loc provides [23:26]
dub seems legit [23:26]
mircea_popescu making romanian banking better than bitcoin, even. [23:27]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.20628571 = 8.444 BTC [-] {4} [23:27]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00028843 = 1.4422 BTC [+] {2} [23:29]
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mircea_popescu [23:35]
mircea_popescu someone should ipo this. [23:35]
ozbot the touch - YouTube [23:36]
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nubbins` i developed an algorithm to predict the next 12 difficulty increases last november, and it's been correct within 2% for the past five months [23:43]
pankkake I would be surprised if it worked for the following months [23:44]
jurov nubbins`: i reused mining forecast spreadsheet and it was very accurate, too [23:45]
jurov just assumed it will go up 30% every time and the time will shorten accordingly [23:45]
kakobrekla wiki doesnt have any info on joe scjhmoe [23:45]
nubbins` ah, i used ODEs, complicated as fuck [23:46]
kakobrekla o i was scrolled up nevermind [23:46]
nubbins` your method sounds easier ;p [23:46]
ThickAsThieves and how do you separate accuracy from coincidence? [23:46]
nubbins` see, that's the thing, you can't [23:47]
jurov yes i can't [23:48]
nubbins` plus i'm totally making this all up [23:48]
nubbins` so you need to weigh that as well [23:49]
jurov add to it cases when next increase falls around idiffs expiration time [23:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.01195825 = 0.3587 BTC [-] {6} [23:49]
jurov which is about to happen on October 16th [23:49]
jurov either 190m or 250m will be paid, no one knows how much [23:50]
jurov fun :) [23:50]
jurov short idiffs, ddos all the pools [23:52]
nubbins` profit! [23:52]
nubbins` you should ipo that [23:53]
BingoBoingo In which a representative of SolarWindMiningCompany asked "dafuq is BingoBoingo" A reply to an AMAZING COMPANY [23:53]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [23:53]
jurov moar altcoinz, moar amazing [23:54]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [23:54]
ozbot Cryptsy - Trade Home [23:54]
nubbins` [23:55]
nubbins` ^^^ ipo that [23:55]
nubbins` amazing cat [23:55]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [23:55]
Rulother jeez [23:55]
assbot [BTCTC] [FN] [BTC-GROWTH] 4 @ 0.085495 = 0.342 BTC [+] {2} [23:55]
nubbins` do not click if you have epilepsy [23:55]
jurov too late [23:56]
nubbins` do not have epilepsy [23:56]
* jurov sues nubbins` [23:57]
* nubbins` points out jurisdictional issues [23:57]
nubbins` i wonder would people buy green coffee beans with btc? [23:58]
nubbins` i've got a bunch that i won't be roasting any time soon [23:58]
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