Forum logs for 07 Oct 2013
Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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-NickServ- | You are now identified for mircea_popescu. | [08:23] |
mircea_popescu | ahhh, good morning boys and girls. | [08:23] |
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VanCleef | ITS BACK MP ITS BACK, thank christ | [08:27] |
mircea_popescu | what is ? | [08:28] |
VanCleef | bitcointalk | [08:28] |
mircea_popescu | o hey. | [08:30] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1082 @ 0.01419516 = 15.3592 BTC [+] {10} | [08:31] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 1.4399875 = 11.5199 BTC [+] {2} | [08:33] |
thestringpuller | lol good morning | [08:40] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [B] [CIPHERMINE.B1] 16 @ 0.00812487 = 0.13 BTC [-] {2} | [08:41] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12885 @ 0.00083583 = 10.7697 BTC [+] | [08:41] |
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Apocalyptic | yup | [08:48] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [CIPHERMINE-PT] 70 @ 0.03 = 2.1 BTC [-] | [08:53] |
VanCleef | and asicminer tanks haha | [08:56] |
thestringpuller | Diablo-D3 haven't seen you in awhile | [09:00] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 3514 @ 0.0001418 = 0.4983 BTC [+] | [09:00] |
thestringpuller | they see me lurkin' | [09:01] |
thestringpuller | they hatin' | [09:01] |
thestringpuller | where has bugpowder been | [09:02] |
thestringpuller | ;;seen Bugpowder | [09:02] |
gribble | Bugpowder was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 12 hours, 7 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: |
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thestringpuller | oh wow he just kinda sneaks in | [09:02] |
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mircea_popescu | http://trilema.com/2013/mpex-breach-post-mortem/ | [09:16] |
ozbot | MPEx breach - post mortem pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | [09:16] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 54 @ 0.03379054 = 1.8247 BTC [-] {9} | [09:19] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00083923 = 1.091 BTC [+] | [09:32] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 69 @ 0.0145 = 1.0005 BTC [+] {3} | [09:37] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 365 @ 0.00083847 = 0.306 BTC [-] | [09:40] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.PURCHASE] 31 @ 0.006211 = 0.1925 BTC [-] | [09:40] |
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jurov | mornin | [09:49] |
jurov | http://www.coindesk.com/lamassu-ships-first-bitcoin-atm/ we have fun here in bratislava guessing who ordered it | [09:50] |
jurov | cuz nobody is admiting it | [09:50] |
jurov | *admitting | [09:50] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8741 @ 0.00083213 = 7.2736 BTC [-] {2} | [09:52] |
Apocalyptic | morning | [09:53] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 16 @ 0.0145 = 0.232 BTC [+] | [10:02] |
mircea_popescu | jurov o hey, there was a bet to that effect too | [10:04] |
mircea_popescu | http://bitbet.us/bet/358/bitcoin-atm-will-have-at-least-one-atm/ | [10:05] |
ozbot | BitBet - Bitcoin ATM will have at least one ATM unit up and running by the end of September 2013 | [10:05] |
mircea_popescu | aww no, there WAS. | [10:05] |
jurov | bitbet time runs too fast | [10:05] |
mircea_popescu | ya srsly. | [10:08] |
mircea_popescu | it's like... two weeks normal time turn into 18 months of bitbet time. | [10:08] |
mircea_popescu | it's a total timescam. | [10:08] |
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mod6 | benkay_: Ahh, I've read more now on the urbit. I see what you mean by the 9-times thing as temporary. And after reading Datskovskiy's comments it's interesting that it was put in to begin with. | [10:28] |
mod6 | has anyone had trouble with the urbit terminal being like really slow? | [10:28] |
mod6 | I rebuild my sub just a bit ago because of this (http://www.urbit.org/2013/10/06/nicu.html), seems to be a bit more responsive.. but not what i would expect. | [10:30] |
mod6 | (was worse before the update it seems to me... but still laaags a bit.) | [10:30] |
jurov | should be compiled with -O99 -funroll-all-loops | [10:35] |
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mircea_popescu | mod6 well when the whole planet is one computer... | [10:50] |
mircea_popescu | probably some dolphin somewhere upset the flow of chi | [10:50] |
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mircea_popescu | (TLDR: to keep using Urbit, delete all your pre-10/6 data, git pull the source again, make clean, make, and start over. Your destroyers and tickets will keep working. No, this will not keep happening, though it may happen once or twice again.) << preserved for futurosity. | [10:51] |
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mod6 | yeah, that was pretty interesting. like the first day I look into it, i have to blow everything away and start over. | [10:51] |
mircea_popescu | well at least 11k people have watching and thus therefore everyone knows the guy's name and admires his work or how did it go. | [10:52] |
mircea_popescu | but anyway ; satoshi forked btc too. it happens | [10:52] |
mod6 | jurov: you trollin'? | [10:53] |
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mod6 | mircea_popescu: yeah, i recloned the repos and rebuilt. works fine. it's early in the project so, yeah shit happens. | [10:54] |
mircea_popescu | mod6 in other news, http://trilema.com/2013/so-this-urbit-thing/#comment-95441 haskelites hate it. | [10:55] |
mod6 | jurov: -funroll-all-loops | [10:57] |
mod6 | Perform the optimization of loop unrolling. This is done for all loops and usually makes programs run more slowly. `-funroll-all-loops' implies `-fstrength-reduce' as well as `-frerun-cse-after-loop'. | [10:57] |
mod6 | so yah, 9/10 | [10:57] |
mod6 | :P | [10:57] |
jurov | mod6 yeah trolling... couldn't resist as long-time gentoo user :) | [10:59] |
* | mod6 punches jurov in the arm | [10:59] |
jurov | au! don't tell me you *did* recompile it? | [11:01] |
mircea_popescu | violence is not the loop. | [11:01] |
mod6 | yeah, it seems that this guy Curtis Yarvin kinda goes against the grain with this one. im not a haskell guy or what not, so I'm not real sure what to think just yet. | [11:01] |
mod6 | haha, yeah. | [11:01] |
mod6 | im a dumbass for listening to you | [11:02] |
mircea_popescu | well i guess i get to use kako's bash for the first time ever. | [11:02] |
mod6 | i tried to find a solution to this problem on the fuckin google groups thing and there was a thread about it. | [11:02] |
* | Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com - most days worth reading || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com - all days worth reading | [11:02] |
* | Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Sun Sep 29 03:06:59 2013 | [11:02] |
mod6 | but it wasn't helpful what-so-ever. | [11:02] |
mod6 | maybe its just a pile of shit | [11:02] |
mod6 | im not sure what to think about this thing yet. | [11:02] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.00126896 = 0.1269 BTC [+] {2} | [11:03] |
mircea_popescu | me either. | [11:04] |
mircea_popescu | and i don't even know cs. | [11:04] |
mod6 | well, either do i. i was just trolled by jurov. | [11:04] |
mod6 | im gonna quit this shit and go work at walmart selling plants. | [11:05] |
mircea_popescu | you could put on a bikini, place yourself in a pot and sell yourself as a bikini clad potted plant. | [11:05] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 347 @ 0.0145 = 5.0315 BTC [+] | [11:06] |
mod6 | haha. i'll even do a dance move for a quick .01 BTC | [11:07] |
mod6 | aight, now that i've got this thing back to non-suck mode... | [11:07] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0146 = 0.292 BTC [+] {2} | [11:07] |
mircea_popescu | ~tasfyn-partyv/try=> :reset | [11:08] |
mircea_popescu | This will replace all the Arvo code, including Hoon in Hoon itself, and keep your data intact - even running processes. | [11:08] |
mircea_popescu | this later part is good. | [11:08] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 17 @ 0.01481954 = 0.2519 BTC [+] {4} | [11:08] |
mod6 | yeah, thats pretty awesome. | [11:09] |
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mircea_popescu | when was the last time, say, a Google app lost your data? | [11:11] |
mircea_popescu | bwaghahaha. | [11:11] |
mircea_popescu | remember mybitcoin ? | [11:11] |
mircea_popescu | or no wait. what was it, that polish exchange that mtgox boight | [11:11] |
mircea_popescu | because the guy had all the btc in the cloud and lost the instance. | [11:11] |
mod6 | yeah haha. | [11:12] |
mod6 | i wanna say that happened a few times even. | [11:12] |
mod6 | *poof* | [11:12] |
jurov | but afaik urbit has everything versioned | [11:13] |
mircea_popescu | " |
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mircea_popescu | which from what i gather is NOT run on urbit ? | [11:13] |
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mod6 | haha, nice. i just joined in over there a few mins ago too. | [11:14] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 0.1331 BTC [+] | [11:15] |
mod6 | CY said he didn't want to do an irc channel because urbit can be sort of like IRC in and of itself. but in the mean time he'll set one up until it gets further along. | [11:15] |
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mod6 | i figure, maybe they can help my urbit n00bness until i get my sealegs. | [11:15] |
jurov | these ships...it's a PONZI | [11:17] |
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mod6 | are you getting good with hoon, jurov | [11:20] |
mod6 | ? | [11:20] |
jurov | no only read these docs and filed it for later | [11:21] |
mod6 | ahh. im trying to familiarize myself with these 'runes' | [11:21] |
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mod6 | its not as bad as brainfuck, but not by much | [11:21] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00083632 = 6.9415 BTC [+] {2} | [11:22] |
jurov | decided to do some overdue upgrades instead...got unexpected 50% cpu usage decrease :) | [11:23] |
mod6 | nice | [11:24] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 800 @ 0.00015 = 0.12 BTC [-] {3} | [11:24] |
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pankkake | http://i.imgur.com/uy6icfj.png | [11:27] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [11:28] |
mircea_popescu | seems about right | [11:28] |
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mod6 | i haven't used an LSB system since i worked on porting fbsd to sparc64 | [11:34] |
mircea_popescu | i thought they're unconstitutional anyway | [11:34] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.00083923 = 5.2452 BTC [+] | [11:39] |
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mod6 | heheh, well since x86 intel, its not been nearly as widely used. i think that network addresses are all passed in lsb though, and then they added htonl/s ntohl/s for translation, etc. | [11:43] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 23200 @ 0.00017773 = 4.1233 BTC [+] {5} | [11:44] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.01375 = 0.275 BTC [-] | [11:45] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12286 @ 0.00083404 = 10.247 BTC [-] {2} | [11:47] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 10 @ 0.01375 = 0.1375 BTC [-] | [12:16] |
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bitesak | ;;ticker | [12:21] |
gribble | MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 135.75000, Best ask: 136.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.25000, Last trade: 135.75000, 24 hour volume: 6768.60069259, 24 hour low: 134.10000, 24 hour high: 139.00000, 24 hour vwap: 136.55720 | [12:21] |
bitesak | there is a new listing on mpex ! whoooa | [12:22] |
mod6 | cool, there is a hoon.vim | [12:27] |
bitesak | hoonhoon.vim? | [12:31] |
mircea_popescu | wait, does this mean a vim implementation ? | [12:33] |
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mod6 | haha, no i wish. | [12:36] |
mod6 | just a vim script for unix so the syntax can be color-highlighted. didn't mean to get yall excited. | [12:37] |
mod6 | there is another that seems to try to translate scribbles to runes, but I haven't gotten it to work on my vim yet. | [12:37] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 29 @ 0.0415331 = 1.2045 BTC [+] {3} | [12:41] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9750 @ 0.00083877 = 8.178 BTC [+] {2} | [12:48] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 7 @ 0.04 = 0.28 BTC [-] | [12:49] |
mircea_popescu | i suspect this is currently the largest productivity sink in it. | [12:58] |
mircea_popescu | also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spellcasting_101:_Sorcerers_Get_All_The_Girls | [12:58] |
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ystarnaud | lol | [12:59] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 4 @ 0.088 = 0.352 BTC [-] | [13:02] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [B] [CIPHERMINE.B1] 100 @ 0.008 = 0.8 BTC [-] | [13:04] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4337 @ 0.0008323 = 3.6097 BTC [-] {2} | [13:06] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 0.1331 BTC [+] | [13:13] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.00295875 = 0.1124 BTC [+] {2} | [13:19] |
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mod6 | this urbit thing is wacky | [13:42] |
mircea_popescu | http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/06/argentina-president-cristina-fernandez-brain-haematoma | [13:42] |
ozbot | Argentina's president Cristina Fernandez suffers brain haematoma | World news | theguardian.com | [13:42] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [FN] [COG.F2] 1 @ 2.39 BTC [+] | [13:45] |
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mircea_popescu | "Leather Goddesses of Phobos 2: Gas Pump Girls Meet the Pulsating Inconvenience from Planet X!" | [13:46] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [FN] [COG.F2] 1 @ 2.8 BTC [+] | [13:48] |
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mod6 | its like i wanna go down this rabbit hole and figure this thing out, but I don't think im smart enough or something. | [13:51] |
mod6 | the guy says, "urbit will always run on top of unix." but d00d also wants this to surpass *nix at some point... | [13:53] |
mircea_popescu | mod6 http://trilema.com/2013/so-this-urbit-thing/#comment-95448 << average people have trouble FINDING IT | [13:54] |
mircea_popescu | i think you may be smart enough. | [13:54] |
mod6 | (Chapter 1.7): If a real OS runs on the bare hardware and is preemptive, it’s clear that Arvo is not a real OS and will never be one. It will always run on Unix. Of course in a sense it comes to bury Unix, but also to praise it - to imitate it - and even to surpass it. | [13:54] |
mod6 | Unix today is ancient, bloated and debilitated, but its historic greatness is eternal. Comparing Unix to other OSes of its time is comparing Shakespeare to other playwrights of his time. | [13:55] |
mod6 | But, ya know, times change. How do we surpass Unix? We’ve got two words for you - typed pipes! | [13:55] |
mircea_popescu | actually marlowe was not that bad | [13:55] |
mircea_popescu | this is an argument to ignorance | [13:55] |
mod6 | So far, and i've only spent a few hours on it, but I'm so hoplessly lost on hoon, that i don't see how this could be more useful than unix at this point. | [13:56] |
mod6 | i mean, it needs unix to run to begin with... so wtf | [13:56] |
mod6 | at somepoint it'll have to run out of a chip directly or some other interpreter or interface to wholly replace unix | [13:57] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 23 @ 1.43852172 = 33.086 BTC [-] {5} | [13:58] |
mod6 | I still think its pretty cool, and I'm probably just derp. But I'm not convinced that I'm not being trolled somehow. | [13:58] |
mircea_popescu | if indeed the specification is as short as presented, it's prolly trivial to build asics that execute it natively | [13:58] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00084024 = 7.016 BTC [+] {2} | [13:59] |
mod6 | yeah, the nock is like, very short. and the hoon compiler itself is really small. | [14:00] |
mod6 | this page is pretty lulzy, whomever wrote it was just guessing at a lot of the stuff: https://github.com/urbit/urbit/wiki/Decoding-Hoon | [14:01] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [B] [CIPHERMINE.B1] 56 @ 0.008 = 0.448 BTC [-] | [14:03] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [FN] [COG.F] 1 @ 1.99 BTC [+] | [14:04] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 15 @ 0.04 = 0.6 BTC [-] | [14:06] |
mod6 | anyway, i dunno, i still think its pretty neat if its not an epic troll. i submitted for my destroyers, so we'll see where that goes. | [14:08] |
mircea_popescu | it's still neat even if it is an epic troll. | [14:08] |
mircea_popescu | what difference does that make ? | [14:08] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 15894 @ 0.0001812 = 2.88 BTC [+] {4} | [14:08] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 6599 @ 0.00020115 = 1.3274 BTC [+] {3} | [14:09] |
mod6 | haha, none i guess. i just hope that even if it is a troll, it can be made into something useful. | [14:10] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 900 @ 0.000226 = 0.2034 BTC [+] {2} | [14:10] |
mircea_popescu | now that all depends i ghuess :p | [14:11] |
KRS1 | good morning from the states. | [14:11] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.445 = 10.115 BTC [+] | [14:13] |
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mircea_popescu | ello | [14:16] |
mod6 | (What happens if there’s an error? Like, a type error? Duh, the compiler crashes. Hey, at Yale, what do they do if there’s an error? I don’t know but it’s probably some kind of fancy exception thing. | [14:17] |
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mod6 | haha | [14:17] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 850 @ 0.000226 = 0.1921 BTC [+] | [14:19] |
mircea_popescu | amazing compiler. | [14:19] |
assbot | AMAZING COMPANY! | [14:19] |
mod6 | :) | [14:19] |
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mod6 | it'd be cool to see if all of these destroyers can easily talk to one-another from distributed hosts worldwide. then maybe it'd be neat to try to develop a p2p or distributed encrypted irc network. | [14:22] |
mod6 | either public or private nodes. | [14:23] |
daybyter | make smartphone nodes. They are harder to block... | [14:23] |
mod6 | the syntax is so gnarly that it seems like it would be hard to develop, but i suppose that one you get the hang of it... | [14:23] |
mod6 | *once | [14:24] |
mircea_popescu | that funny moment when you realise urbit is discussed in 500 lines on #bitcoin-assets and in 5 lines on #urbit | [14:24] |
mod6 | lol | [14:25] |
mod6 | my bad | [14:25] |
mod6 | daybyter: its too bad really, these devices are like the NSA data-collector nodes. i don't even trust the snapdragon chips in 'em any more really. | [14:28] |
mircea_popescu | mod6 wasn't implying it's a bad thing, on the contrary | [14:28] |
mircea_popescu | gotta discuss where the brainz are. | [14:29] |
mod6 | ah, ok :) | [14:29] |
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daybyter | but it's easier to shutdown servers than mobiles... | [14:29] |
mircea_popescu | is it ? | [14:29] |
blastbob | depends.. | [14:30] |
mod6 | for instance, in current form, urbit does key-gen right off the start. i'd hesitate to launch an instance with that software thats native (unless rooted and running something like cyanogen -- even then do we trust that either?) | [14:31] |
mod6 | and besides do we trust chip makers any more either? | [14:31] |
mircea_popescu | mod6 im listening to this and pasting in the nsa "to do" list :D | [14:33] |
mod6 | haha | [14:33] |
mod6 | i suppose that something like urbit could actually live inside of other software eventually as some sort of embedded system. or if it ever took the leap to native hardware, it could run on some sort of FPGA or pre-set asic chip. | [14:35] |
mod6 | someone needs to write a network stack for it. | [14:35] |
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mod6 | lol that'll be ishy in hoon! | [14:36] |
ThickAsThieves | kncsplosion http://imgur.com/2UZuUzH | [14:36] |
mod6 | oo started a fire in her panties huh? | [14:38] |
mircea_popescu | what burned there, the controller or what ? | [14:39] |
ThickAsThieves | looks like a small transformer or something | [14:39] |
ThickAsThieves | but i have no idea | [14:39] |
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ThickAsThieves | two mor epics http://imgur.com/a/hyA3a | [14:40] |
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VanCleef | ThickAsThieves ? | [14:41] |
KRS1 | lol nice whats that a transistor | [14:41] |
blastbob | they say its 2-3 boards this has happend to, but not confirmed | [14:41] |
ThickAsThieves | i only have intro knowledge of these things, but i'd guess a small transformer | [14:41] |
KRS1 | ya | [14:41] |
mircea_popescu | A year after the 1994 Digital Telephony bill passed, the FBI disclosed plans to require the phone companies to build into their infrastructure the capacity to simultaneously wiretap one percent of all phone calls in all major US cities. This would represent more than a thousandfold increase over previous levels in the number of phones that could be wiretapped. In previous years, there were only about 1000 court-ordered wiretaps in the US per | [14:42] |
mircea_popescu | year, at the federal, state, and local levels combined. | [14:42] |
mircea_popescu | https://www.philzimmermann.com/EN/testimony/index.html | [14:42] |
ozbot | Phil Zimmermann's Senate Testimony | [14:42] |
mircea_popescu | this shit's so much fun to read, 20 years later. | [14:42] |
KRS1 | nice skidmark | [14:42] |
mod6 | <3 Phil | [14:43] |
mircea_popescu | thjat last thing is an exploded capacitor. | [14:43] |
mircea_popescu | which really just means bad capacitor. | [14:43] |
mircea_popescu | ;;google capacitor disease | [14:43] |
gribble | Capacitor plague - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: |
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ThickAsThieves | i've only ever seen cylindrical capacitors | [14:43] |
ThickAsThieves | again i'm a noob | [14:43] |
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mod6 | ya my guy says they are caps too | [14:44] |
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ThickAsThieves | i suppose it would be weird to have that many small transistors anyway | [14:45] |
mod6 | lol he says its 'bodged' | [14:45] |
mod6 | he says he could be wrong and they might be 'some kinda funky resistor' | [14:47] |
mod6 | *shrug* | [14:47] |
thestringpuller | mod6 is here | [14:48] |
thestringpuller | just as I have to leave | [14:48] |
thestringpuller | I h8 you no | [14:48] |
thestringpuller | w | [14:48] |
thestringpuller | nao* | [14:48] |
thestringpuller | I am revoking our frienship | [14:48] |
thestringpuller | jkjk | [14:48] |
KRS1 | heh | [14:48] |
mod6 | HEH. been here all night talkin about urbit :] | [14:48] |
thestringpuller | i been up all night trynna get ma money right | [14:48] |
mircea_popescu | yeah what im getting as most likely story is that they bought as cheap parts as they could find, and ended up with a batch of shitty caps. | [14:49] |
mircea_popescu | which you know... blow. | [14:49] |
KRS1 | stack the rest of the yams in my auntie's house..and then what! | [14:49] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [FN] [BTC-GROWTH] 103 @ 0.0848997 = 8.7447 BTC [+] {2} | [14:50] |
KRS1 | peace out folks time to get fresh and jump into one of them cars | [14:50] |
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mod6 | info on flaming board from my buddy: http://pastebin.com/AbAr6Mcv | [14:53] |
KRS1 | Check out my friend's hotrod caddilac..finally got a chance to see it in action last night. Its more or less a corvette in a suit and tie http://s540.beta.photobucket.com/user/LivernoisMotorsports/library/Pauls%20V | [14:53] |
mod6 | that one comes straight from GM 'eh? is that the 502? | [14:57] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 14 @ 0.0136 = 0.1904 BTC [-] | [15:02] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00084028 = 7.8566 BTC [+] | [15:04] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 15905 @ 0.00015472 = 2.4608 BTC [-] {6} | [15:04] |
KRS1 | yeah | [15:05] |
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KRS1 | we are a couple of long time gear heads I have a 1986 t-top mustang 5.0 drag car thats real fun dont get much chance to play with it though. | [15:05] |
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KRS1 | thats not the 502 its a small block stroked to 400+ ci all fuel injected obviously | [15:07] |
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mod6 | KRS1: ahh. ok. | [15:08] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00083206 = 1.5809 BTC [-] | [15:10] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 50000 @ 0.00015287 = 7.6435 BTC [-] {10} | [15:26] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 44410 @ 0.00015008 = 6.6651 BTC [-] {7} | [15:31] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 10000 @ 0.00015 = 1.5 BTC [-] | [15:32] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 22 @ 1.36245454 = 29.974 BTC [-] {3} | [15:36] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 1.32882352 = 22.59 BTC [-] {4} | [15:37] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.0130049 = 0.6632 BTC [-] {3} | [15:37] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 1.3218222 = 6.6091 BTC [-] {3} | [15:38] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.3 = 6.5 BTC [-] | [15:38] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2722 @ 0.0001502 = 0.4088 BTC [+] | [15:42] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 500 @ 0.00026845 = 0.1342 BTC [-] | [15:45] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2000 @ 0.0001502 = 0.3004 BTC [+] | [15:48] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 10908 @ 0.00015009 = 1.6372 BTC [-] {2} | [15:59] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 19603 @ 0.0001481 = 2.9032 BTC [-] | [16:22] |
gecko_x2 | btct down? | [16:23] |
gecko_x2 | forgot to check if i have any btc there : | [16:23] |
gecko_x2 | damnit | [16:23] |
Rulother | It's down for me | [16:23] |
ThickAsThieves | Hopefully not down for good yet | [16:23] |
Rulother | ^ | [16:23] |
ThickAsThieves | I have fresh AM1 xfers to verify... | [16:24] |
ThickAsThieves | he should lock all assets first | [16:24] |
Rulother | http://www.isitdownrightnow.com/btct.co.html | [16:24] |
ozbot | Btct.co - Is Btct Down Right Now? | [16:24] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 13 @ 0.033 = 0.429 BTC [-] | [16:25] |
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gecko_x2 | hmm | [16:28] |
mircea_popescu | wasn't it announced for today and everytjhing ? | [16:32] |
ThickAsThieves | yes, but he had hinted that it would be late in the day, if I recall | [16:32] |
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turbo_ac100 | gecko_x2, site seems up but API access doesn't work | [16:43] |
turbo_ac100 | litecoinglobal works though. | [16:43] |
Rulother | so tat how many transfers are you working on? | [16:44] |
ThickAsThieves | all in all i think it's nearly 2000 | [16:45] |
gecko_x2 | hmm | [16:46] |
gecko_x2 | works through tor for me | [16:46] |
gecko_x2 | but not directly | [16:46] |
ThickAsThieves | all are xfers other than TAT.AM are caught up and awaiting assistance from the exchange operators to render the shares | [16:46] |
mircea_popescu | that sounds like quite the caseload there. | [16:47] |
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ThickAsThieves | Bitfunder could be a problem | [16:47] |
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ThickAsThieves | as manual rendering of shares would be insanely time-consuming | [16:47] |
ThickAsThieves | since Ukyo has 2fa required on every xfer | [16:48] |
Rulother | Gross | [16:50] |
Rulother | Well I had my shit transfered to Havelock | [16:50] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5354 @ 0.00083667 = 4.4795 BTC [+] | [16:52] |
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ThickAsThieves | http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/7/4811382/100-dollar-us-bill-goes-into-circulation-october-8 | [16:59] |
ozbot | Smarter $100 bill goes into circulation tomorrow | The Verge | [16:59] |
ThickAsThieves | Burnside is selling the site software with a condition that whomever uses it must block US users. | [17:02] |
ThickAsThieves | Can that even be enforced? | [17:02] |
Rulother | Ciphermine wanted to buy it didn | [17:03] |
Rulother | didn't they? * | [17:03] |
ThickAsThieves | yeah | [17:03] |
ThickAsThieves | i wouldnt use it in that case | [17:03] |
kakobrekla | cipermine sold 5btw of shares to pay for her wedding | [17:03] |
kakobrekla | btw = btc | [17:03] |
ThickAsThieves | she was married at taco bell? | [17:04] |
Rulother | lol | [17:04] |
kakobrekla | how is she going to pay for btctc | [17:04] |
kakobrekla | acting like she is capable of reglbseing it | [17:04] |
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ThickAsThieves | heh, btct.co won't load so I tried Tor, | [17:05] |
ThickAsThieves | This Domain Name Has Expired | [17:05] |
ThickAsThieves | maybe that's why he chose today | [17:05] |
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Rulother | lol works fine for me | [17:05] |
ThickAsThieves | cached? | [17:05] |
ThickAsThieves | i cant load it | [17:06] |
ThickAsThieves | are you in the US? | [17:06] |
Rulother | logged in and sold a share | [17:06] |
Kleeck__ | Mine is loading as well. | [17:06] |
Kleeck__ | Was down earlier. | [17:06] |
Kleeck__ | Not cached. | [17:06] |
ThickAsThieves | lame | [17:06] |
ThickAsThieves | are you in the US? | [17:06] |
Kleeck__ | I am. | [17:06] |
ThickAsThieves | hrm | [17:07] |
ThickAsThieves | wtf | [17:07] |
ThickAsThieves | can you tell me the ip for the site? | [17:07] |
jcpham | 127.09.01 | [17:07] |
ThickAsThieves | hehe | [17:07] |
jcpham | satoshi's IP | [17:08] |
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mircea_popescu | whoever made network connectors so that usb sticks fit neatly inside IS A FUCKING IDIOT | [17:08] |
mircea_popescu | either that or she works for adobe. | [17:08] |
jcpham | meliisa mayer | [17:08] |
ThickAsThieves | marissa* | [17:08] |
jcpham | that too | [17:08] |
mircea_popescu | burn her anyway. | [17:09] |
jcpham | clariisa tells all | [17:09] |
mircea_popescu | http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18lij3zuxsp71png/original.png | [17:09] |
jcpham | lsl! | [17:09] |
ThickAsThieves | http://www.whatsmydns.net/#A/btct.co | [17:10] |
ozbot | Global DNS Propagation Checker - What's My DNS? | [17:10] |
ThickAsThieves | *something* is going on | [17:10] |
kakobrekla | can you has state in you dns!? | [17:11] |
ThickAsThieves | that's network propagation | [17:12] |
ThickAsThieves | not dns of states | [17:12] |
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kakobrekla | no | [17:13] |
kakobrekla | i mean your federal state in your dns server | [17:13] |
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ThickAsThieves | i assume those are cooperating providers that are just reporting what DNS they see for any given domain | [17:14] |
ThickAsThieves | not sure it has anything to do with the DNS of the site | [17:14] |
kakobrekla | nah they fiddle with them | [17:14] |
kakobrekla | maybe not in btctc's case but otherwse | [17:14] |
ThickAsThieves | btct is also using cloudflare, those two long addresses | [17:15] |
ThickAsThieves | i have people transferring AM-PT shares to me which i can't verify... | [17:16] |
Kleeck__ | Well, maybe someone should've taken care of his share transfers BEFORE vacationing in Cyprus! ;P | [17:16] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.47989999 BTC [+] | [17:18] |
ThickAsThieves | your quip is inaccurate (and impossible) | [17:19] |
ThickAsThieves | these are new xfers | [17:19] |
ThickAsThieves | and migrating before I left would've been impossible time-wise | [17:19] |
imsaguy | Kleeck__, he's online now, isn't he? | [17:19] |
jcpham | i haerd burnside was playing a halloween prank and btct.cp isn't actually closing | [17:19] |
ThickAsThieves | I heard the same thing like 30secs ago | [17:20] |
jcpham | seems legit | [17:20] |
bitesak | vacationing in Cyprus ? | [17:20] |
ThickAsThieves | no | [17:20] |
ThickAsThieves | businessing | [17:20] |
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kakobrekla | o, retard talk forum is down | [17:20] |
kakobrekla | em | [17:20] |
kakobrekla | back up | [17:20] |
Kleeck__ | I was joking, for the record. | [17:20] |
kakobrekla | i know cause i lost the bet, dammit. | [17:20] |
imsaguy | "now with improved security!" | [17:21] |
kakobrekla | oh? | [17:21] |
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kakobrekla | lieak what | [17:21] |
imsaguy | "We hash your passwords 100000 times" | [17:21] |
jcpham | captchas | [17:21] |
jcpham | everywhere | [17:21] |
bitesak | I trust the businessing is with Bitcoins ? | [17:21] |
ThickAsThieves | scammers extending there forum auctions :/ | [17:21] |
jcpham | seems like dramatalk would hire smf dev | [17:22] |
jcpham | is there a such thing as a simple machines dev | [17:23] |
pankkake | simple minded dev? | [17:23] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00285551 = 0.2856 BTC [-] {4} | [17:25] |
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Kleeck__ | Btct.co is down for me now as well, ThickAsThieves | [17:27] |
ThickAsThieves | I asked Burnside to remove you | [17:28] |
imsaguy | Is there a bet for how long until the forum passwords are cracked? | [17:31] |
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mircea_popescu | imsaguy not afaik | [17:35] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 15 @ 0.01359998 = 0.204 BTC [-] | [17:35] |
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Kleeck__ | Last I heard the "sample list" was a verified fake. | [17:36] |
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imsaguy | I'm well aware Kleeck__ | [17:36] |
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mircea_popescu | no salt, more hashing | [17:37] |
ThickAsThieves | Havelock rocks. They built a special tool just for me to process migrations :) | [17:37] |
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imsaguy | Until they shut down too | [17:37] |
imsaguy | <.< | [17:37] |
Rulother | I do like Havelock | [17:38] |
Rulother | What was the word from them regarding allowing new assets to come over | [17:38] |
Kleeck__ | I believe they said, "No." | [17:38] |
ThickAsThieves | I don't know the official word, but I think they denied most, if not all | [17:39] |
ThickAsThieves | I do hope they at least accommodate Deprived | [17:39] |
gecko_x2 | got my remaining btc transferred off btct in the last min.. over TOR | [17:43] |
Kleeck__ | Why are you using TOR? | [17:44] |
gecko_x2 | btct was down over regular net | [17:44] |
gecko_x2 | for me | [17:44] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 1.28877777 = 11.599 BTC [-] {3} | [17:44] |
gecko_x2 | others are also having issues | [17:44] |
mircea_popescu | weird. | [17:45] |
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gecko_x2 | so sad | [17:47] |
gecko_x2 | there prolly won't be another exchange unless it's distributed / p2p | [17:47] |
gecko_x2 | maybe coloured coins | [17:48] |
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gecko_x2 | or | [17:48] |
gecko_x2 | maybe the world will finally rush back to MPEX :) | [17:48] |
mircea_popescu | herp. | [17:49] |
mircea_popescu | you know i can always tell the people who have an account from those who don't, | [17:49] |
mircea_popescu | cause the former know it's a small x. | [17:49] |
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ThickAsThieves | i do prefer all caps, but ever since seeing you correct someone i use x, in compliance | [17:50] |
ThickAsThieves | although i do have an accocunt | [17:50] |
ThickAsThieves | acoconut | [17:51] |
ThickAsThieves | :) | [17:51] |
gecko_x2 | a cocunt? | [17:51] |
gecko_x2 | erm | [17:51] |
gecko_x2 | anywais | [17:51] |
gecko_x2 | everyone is now waiting for the mad rush into actm :p | [17:51] |
ThickAsThieves | ? | [17:52] |
ThickAsThieves | why would anyone rush to actm | [17:52] |
ThickAsThieves | it's like boring by now, no? | [17:52] |
gecko_x2 | well | [17:52] |
mircea_popescu | lol i has a coconut and banging it together! | [17:52] |
gecko_x2 | compared to LC it's still amazing company! | [17:52] |
assbot | AMAZING COMPANY! | [17:52] |
mircea_popescu | no. 0 compared to 0 is actually still 0. | [17:53] |
ThickAsThieves | a rose by any other name | [17:53] |
gecko_x2 | it's going to nine thousand! | [17:53] |
imsaguy | at least 9001 | [17:54] |
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nubbins` | ISO 9001 certified? | [17:55] |
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gecko_x2 | so what are we gonna do in here? | [17:58] |
gecko_x2 | :p | [17:58] |
nubbins` | mircea_popescu: whoever made network connectors so that usb sticks fit neatly inside IS A FUCKING IDIOT | [17:58] |
nubbins` | lel | [17:58] |
nubbins` | cue every single time i wonder why my device isn't recognized | [17:58] |
nubbins` | "oh, wait" | [17:58] |
mircea_popescu | ikr ? | [17:58] |
gecko_x2 | they could have designed the fuckers to work regardless of which way is up | [17:59] |
mircea_popescu | that goes against family values. | [17:59] |
nubbins` | i don't think a usb drive will work in your ethernet port in ANY orientation | [17:59] |
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nubbins` | straight or otherwise | [18:00] |
gecko_x2 | point is there is no reason to restrict which way a usb connector is plugged in | [18:00] |
pankkake | but that's the other way around, network port predates usb port | [18:01] |
gecko_x2 | now roughly 50% of plug attempts fail | [18:01] |
gecko_x2 | or according to murphy, atleast 51% | [18:01] |
gecko_x2 | i'm not talking about ethernet ports | [18:01] |
gecko_x2 | usb ports | [18:01] |
gecko_x2 | and how the USB standard sux | [18:01] |
pankkake | yes, usb ports are also bad that way | [18:02] |
pankkake | I wonder how they managed to fail that much | [18:02] |
nubbins` | design by committee | [18:02] |
nubbins` | it was destined to fail | [18:02] |
gecko_x2 | there is already a much better working solution | [18:02] |
gecko_x2 | been around since the 70's | [18:02] |
nubbins` | thunderbolt? ;p | [18:02] |
nubbins` | o | [18:02] |
gecko_x2 | 3.5mm DIN plugs | [18:03] |
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nubbins` | DIN for the WIN! | [18:03] |
gecko_x2 | or the standard headphone plug | [18:03] |
gecko_x2 | works every time | [18:03] |
ThickAsThieves | "hack" to get BTCT to load: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=125629.msg3293061#msg3293061 | [18:03] |
ThickAsThieves | works | [18:03] |
nubbins` | standard headphone plug is a very poot design | [18:03] |
nubbins` | 1/8" | [18:03] |
nubbins` | they break so easily | [18:03] |
nubbins` | poot? | [18:03] |
gecko_x2 | nah | [18:03] |
ThickAsThieves | never broken a headphone jack in my life | [18:03] |
nubbins` | yep | [18:03] |
pankkake | the thing that usb provided aren't really hardware/connector related, but a very cheap protocol | [18:03] |
gecko_x2 | worked fine for me for decades | [18:03] |
nubbins` | i break them regularly | [18:03] |
gecko_x2 | maybe you should work on your motor skills :)' | [18:04] |
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pankkake | I broke one or two portable players headphone jacks | [18:04] |
nubbins` | altho to be fair i'm using heavy 1/8" to 1/4" cables for audio equipment that gets moved around a lot | [18:04] |
pankkake | the 6.3mm ones are sexy | [18:04] |
nubbins` | but honestly SMD 1/8" jacks are usually very poorly supported on PCBs | [18:04] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 4 @ 0.043945 = 0.1758 BTC [+] {3} | [18:04] |
nubbins` | it's no sweat to rip a trace off a board | [18:04] |
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ThickAsThieves | ;;nethash | [18:05] |
gribble | 1525038.63397 | [18:05] |
saulimus | lol, btct domain expired but someone just bought some basic-mining | [18:05] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;bcstats | [18:05] |
gribble | Current Blocks: 262247 | Current Difficulty: 1.8928124928103292E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 264095 | Next Difficulty In: 1848 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 6 hours, 26 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 217927576.821 | Estimated Percent Change: 15.13427 | [18:05] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 126 @ 0.00124793 = 0.1572 BTC [-] {3} | [18:05] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 4 @ 0.04658 = 0.1863 BTC [+] | [18:05] |
* | nubbins` is making moose stew for supper this evening | [18:05] |
Jere_Jones | You can still get to btct if you add an entry in your hosts file. | [18:05] |
Jere_Jones | 141.101.113.21 is the ip address that I'm using and it seems to work well. | [18:06] |
saulimus | ok, thanks | [18:06] |
saulimus | hm, error 1003, Direct IP access not allowed | [18:06] |
nubbins` | i will need a small rutabaga and some carrots | [18:06] |
Jere_Jones | That's why you have to put it in your hosts file. | [18:06] |
saulimus | strange how that counts | [18:07] |
saulimus | ok. | [18:07] |
mircea_popescu | weird. | [18:07] |
ThickAsThieves | i have learned that the slim majority of btct shareholders can follow directions | [18:07] |
Kleeck__ | lol | [18:07] |
Jere_Jones | ThickAsThieves: Did Danny confirm my angel shares of NEOBEE with you? | [18:08] |
ThickAsThieves | i don't think so | [18:08] |
ThickAsThieves | just have him email me | [18:08] |
ThickAsThieves | i know he's been busy | [18:08] |
Jere_Jones | I did, but he was in the airport when he responded to me. I'll wait until things calm down a little. | [18:08] |
ThickAsThieves | he should be straight now | [18:09] |
Jere_Jones | Then, to the email I go.... :) | [18:09] |
saulimus | Jere_Jones, ok, works, thanks | [18:09] |
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nubbins` | interesting fact: four moose were introduced to the island on which i live in the early 1900s | [18:10] |
nubbins` | today, there are over 150,000 moose, wandering all over the highways and killing people who hit them w/ cars | [18:10] |
ThickAsThieves | the pitfalls of inbreeding | [18:11] |
nubbins` | yeah | [18:12] |
nubbins` | tasty though | [18:12] |
nubbins` | lel, from wikipedia: "Moose scat is commonly found on trails. Some souvenir shops sell bags of it, sealed with shellac and labeled with humorous names." | [18:12] |
nubbins` | author obv too stupid to realize that every souvenir shop in north america sells bags of chocolate-covered almonds as "____ poop" | [18:13] |
nubbins` | and they're shiny because of confectioner's glaze, not shellac | [18:13] |
nubbins` | lel | [18:13] |
ThickAsThieves | from what i read, it sounds like they are using real poop | [18:13] |
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nubbins` | you're telling me that stores are representing animal feces as food? | [18:16] |
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ThickAsThieves | where does that text say to eat it? | [18:18] |
ThickAsThieves | no one eats shellac | [18:18] |
nubbins` | ಠ_ಠ | [18:18] |
ThickAsThieves | unless by mistake on table fruit | [18:19] |
nubbins` | maybe we're talking about different things | [18:19] |
ThickAsThieves | "Moose scat is commonly found on trails. Some souvenir shops sell bags of it, sealed with shellac and labeled with humorous names." | [18:19] |
nubbins` | but i've seen bags of "moose droppings", "elk droppings", etc | [18:19] |
nubbins` | and they're invariably chocolate-covered almonds | [18:19] |
ThickAsThieves | peanuts are a variable! | [18:19] |
nubbins` | i know this because i love chocolate covered almonds, and dislike feces, and have eaten many bags of "moose droppings" | [18:19] |
nubbins` | and none of them have been shellacked poo | [18:20] |
ThickAsThieves | http://alaskanspecialties.com/article/moose-poop-souvenirs | [18:20] |
ozbot | Moose Poop Souvenirs | Alaskan Specialties | [18:20] |
ThickAsThieves | booya | [18:20] |
nubbins` | http://www.eatonfarmcandies.com/files/image/new%20productimages/moose%20droppings.jpg | [18:20] |
nubbins` | booya | [18:20] |
ThickAsThieves | you didnt quote candy | [18:20] |
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nubbins` | http://la2toronto.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/377-canadian-moose-droppings.jpg | [18:21] |
nubbins` | &c | [18:21] |
gribble | Error: "c" is not a valid command. | [18:21] |
nubbins` | hmm | [18:21] |
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nubbins` | if you can find me a bag of shellacked shit with a humorous name, i'll accept defeat | [18:21] |
nubbins` | but i still hold that the author of that caption is just confused | [18:22] |
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nubbins` | https://www.google.ca/search?q=moose+droppings&es_sm=119&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=M9FSUpeoNYj-4AOh2IGACw&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1111&bih=780&dpr=1#es_sm=119&q=moose+droppings+chocolate&tbm=isch&imgdii=_ | [18:22] |
ThickAsThieves | why call the author confused when he details a thing that exists? | [18:22] |
ThickAsThieves | very confusing ;) | [18:23] |
nubbins` | http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/students-tricked-into-eating-moose-poop-by-school-staff-1.1259954 | [18:23] |
ozbot | Students tricked into eating moose poop by school staff - Manitoba - CBC News | [18:23] |
nubbins` | LEL | [18:24] |
benkay_ | good moooorning | [18:24] |
ThickAsThieves | "Droppings stuck in girl's braces" | [18:24] |
nubbins` | "Two Grade 8 teens from the school in Grand Marais, Man., were given the poop but told they were chocolate-covered almonds." | [18:24] |
benkay_ | urbit is the greatest time sink ever | [18:25] |
ThickAsThieves | "Not a joke, anti-bullying expert says" | [18:25] |
ThickAsThieves | lol | [18:25] |
nubbins` | "An international anti-bullying expert is shocked by the incident." | [18:25] |
nubbins` | if it's not a joke, why can't i stop laughing? | [18:25] |
nubbins` | aaaaaah hahahahaha | [18:25] |
ThickAsThieves | to be an anti-bullying exper, must youi get beat up a lot? | [18:25] |
nubbins` | see, "moose dropping" chocolate is so common that these kids legitimately had no idea that it might actually be poop | [18:25] |
nubbins` | lel x 1000 | [18:25] |
nubbins` | tat, i think it's a prerequisite | [18:26] |
ThickAsThieves | what's this lel stuff? | [18:26] |
ThickAsThieves | some 4channery i missed? | [18:26] |
nubbins` | nah | [18:26] |
nubbins` | i don't like using "lol" | [18:26] |
ThickAsThieves | i used to be that way | [18:26] |
nubbins` | but "hahahahaha" doesn't always work | [18:26] |
ThickAsThieves | i gave up | [18:26] |
nubbins` | so i figured saying "lel" would get the message across | [18:26] |
ThickAsThieves | in a hipster way | [18:27] |
nubbins` | and burn out some people in the process | [18:27] |
nubbins` | hipster is an artificial construct | [18:27] |
ThickAsThieves | you kids and your ideas | [18:27] |
saulimus | löl | [18:27] |
nubbins` | remember when we called them "metrosexuals"? | [18:27] |
benkay_ | nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X2AvfSTi6Q | [18:27] |
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ThickAsThieves | metrosexuals were something else | [18:27] |
nubbins` | another word to hate on people with personal style | [18:27] |
nubbins` | same thing | [18:28] |
ThickAsThieves | americans trying to look european | [18:28] |
ThickAsThieves | :) | [18:28] |
pankkake | thin? | [18:28] |
ThickAsThieves | now americans trying to look european are known as rappers | [18:28] |
ThickAsThieves | everyone in Amsterdam was much better looking that in the US | [18:29] |
ThickAsThieves | dressed well | [18:29] |
ThickAsThieves | etc | [18:29] |
ThickAsThieves | must be all the cycling | [18:29] |
benkay_ | all the not eating garbage | [18:29] |
ThickAsThieves | mircea_popescu, i took a picture of all the bicycles for you but forgot to post it | [18:30] |
nubbins` | all the everything | [18:30] |
mircea_popescu | aww! | [18:30] |
nubbins` | all the culture? | [18:30] |
nubbins` | all the history | [18:30] |
ThickAsThieves | then next day NY (i think) announced a plan to use ducts underground for trash | [18:30] |
nubbins` | hahaha | [18:30] |
ThickAsThieves | it's happening! | [18:30] |
nubbins` | so basically just dump it in the sewers? | [18:31] |
ThickAsThieves | no | [18:31] |
nubbins` | "the water filters all this stuff out" | [18:31] |
ThickAsThieves | mp says all transport and trash should route underground | [18:31] |
nubbins` | good luck with that | [18:31] |
ThickAsThieves | which isnt a bad idea | [18:31] |
nubbins` | we can't even figure out underground electrical wires | [18:31] |
ThickAsThieves | wireless trash! | [18:31] |
nubbins` | you tend to stop seeing them after a while, but just take note of the massive amounts of wires strung all around the place the next time you're outside | [18:32] |
nubbins` | it's retarded | [18:32] |
mircea_popescu | nubbins` the dope dealers gotta strung the shoes somewhere... | [18:32] |
nubbins` | they do headphones instead of shoes here | [18:33] |
ThickAsThieves | the caption was sposed to be: mircea_popescu, what should i do? http://imgur.com/F6V77ER | [18:33] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 16806 @ 0.00013533 = 2.2744 BTC [-] {10} | [18:33] |
ThickAsThieves | shoulda brought a grenade | [18:33] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1173 @ 0.00013 = 0.1525 BTC [-] | [18:34] |
mircea_popescu | so what is this log, has nubbins` been scamming everyone with shis moose shit ipo ? | [18:34] |
ThickAsThieves | weird, my camera makes square photos | [18:34] |
nubbins` | dividends, &c | [18:34] |
mircea_popescu | benkay_ wait till the strip poker hits! | [18:34] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves burn them anyway. | [18:35] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 45000 @ 0.00012429 = 5.5931 BTC [-] {7} | [18:35] |
nubbins` | speaking of shellac, we had some tenants move out a couple months ago | [18:35] |
nubbins` | such a stink of cat shit/piss that we had to use shellac-base paint on the walls | [18:35] |
mircea_popescu | how do you know it was cat shit. | [18:36] |
nubbins` | they left 3 full litter boxes | [18:36] |
ThickAsThieves | and he is an expert on droppings | [18:36] |
mircea_popescu | people with cat syndrome. | [18:36] |
ThickAsThieves | obv | [18:36] |
nubbins` | well, i like chocolate covered almonds and cats | [18:36] |
nubbins` | :P | [18:36] |
nubbins` | im actually gonna upload the pictures i took after they "moved out" | [18:37] |
nubbins` | gimme a couple minutes | [18:37] |
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jurov | so i just found out some btct users used an address from online wallet that has no signature functions | [18:39] |
nubbins` | bummer | [18:39] |
jurov | there will be fun yet | [18:39] |
jurov | first blood, then fun | [18:39] |
mircea_popescu | so they get to pester the online wallet to implement signatures in order to get their w/e ? | [18:40] |
ThickAsThieves | jurov you have like a small qty of holders no? | [18:41] |
ThickAsThieves | you really need wallet sigs? | [18:41] |
ThickAsThieves | arent you the only one that knows share counts? | [18:41] |
ThickAsThieves | tell them to give that | [18:41] |
ThickAsThieves | along with btct email and account name | [18:41] |
ThickAsThieves | or such | [18:41] |
jurov | yes not many but why not do things properly? https://coinbr.com/btct/idiff_1 | [18:42] |
ThickAsThieves | you just said why ;) | [18:42] |
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jurov | fortunately i can just pay out untransferred future contracts and be done with them | [18:43] |
benkay_ | mircea_popescu: after I write this Nock interpreter and then learn Hoon... | [18:43] |
pankkake | http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/oct/07/fbi-bitcoin-silk-road-ross-ulbricht still a failure, why would they know he has those | [18:43] |
ozbot | FBI struggles to seize 600,000 Bitcoins from alleged Silk Road founder | Technology | theguardian.c | [18:43] |
ThickAsThieves | they dont know | [18:44] |
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ThickAsThieves | isnt that amount extrapolated from their guess of commissions on their guess of all sales to date? | [18:44] |
jurov | what, it's 600k now? | [18:44] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves yup. | [18:44] |
pankkake | oh, maybe | [18:44] |
mircea_popescu | jurov the point about how im lolling at them for not making any forfeitures this turn around burned. | [18:45] |
mircea_popescu | so they're trying :D | [18:45] |
ThickAsThieves | the article also notes how since the fbi has his wallet, the coins cant be spent | [18:45] |
ThickAsThieves | lol | [18:45] |
mircea_popescu | herp | [18:45] |
mircea_popescu | lmao. | [18:45] |
benkay_ | yea superherp | [18:45] |
mircea_popescu | the state is in for a rude awakening. | [18:46] |
mircea_popescu | it will happen ion about one more week | [18:46] |
jurov | i'm waiting out for revelation how much of these bitcoins they gave him | [18:46] |
mircea_popescu | m,aybne two | [18:46] |
mircea_popescu | at which point, watch the bitcoin foundation go in overdrive. | [18:46] |
benkay_ | mircea_popescu: you refer to the debt ceiling? | [18:46] |
ThickAsThieves | i'm still hoping that Ross isnt even the guy' | [18:46] |
ThickAsThieves | would be so fun | [18:46] |
lewicki | If the FBI confiscated all copies of the private key, then maybe. | [18:46] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves here's a simple plan : pay someone a little coin to be the fall guy. | [18:46] |
mircea_popescu | they can't prosecute you for something they already convicted someone else for. | [18:47] |
ThickAsThieves | i just find it hard to believe that DPR would be this sloppy | [18:47] |
ThickAsThieves | he KNEW he would get arrested one day | [18:47] |
ThickAsThieves | so he MUST have a plan | [18:47] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15037 @ 0.00084201 = 12.6613 BTC [+] {5} | [18:47] |
mircea_popescu | he didn't plan on tor being a surveillance tool. | [18:47] |
lewicki | public defender count? | [18:47] |
mircea_popescu | the rest is "parallel construction" | [18:47] |
pankkake | mircea_popescu: that wasn't how he was arrested at all so… | [18:48] |
jurov | ThickAsThieves: what should he do? lend them to theymos for greater drama? | [18:48] |
ThickAsThieves | how did fbi get the server copy anyway? | [18:48] |
pankkake | and why would criminals crime if they thought they couldn't get away with it? | [18:48] |
pankkake | he used a vpn to connect to the server | [18:48] |
pankkake | and they asked the vpn | [18:48] |
ThickAsThieves | and why was he living in a $1000 apartment? | [18:49] |
lewicki | Even if the FBI only found out where the coins were stored. Eventually those coins would have to be used somewhere that could be "backtraced". Those mixers are not infallible | [18:50] |
pankkake | not everyone needs to live in a mansion with two pools | [18:50] |
ThickAsThieves | an apartment tho? | [18:51] |
mircea_popescu | lewicki yes, yes they are. | [18:51] |
ThickAsThieves | like why live witha roommate | [18:51] |
pankkake | yes, that is weird indeed | [18:51] |
lewicki | at what point do you say, 20...30..80 million is enough | [18:51] |
mircea_popescu | because no friends ? | [18:51] |
ThickAsThieves | so hang out at starbucks | [18:51] |
ThickAsThieves | i dunno | [18:51] |
pankkake | when I'm a trillionnaire I'll still live in a small appartment, but with people? no way! | [18:51] |
ThickAsThieves | doesnt make sense | [18:51] |
ThickAsThieves | if you have that much money | [18:52] |
ThickAsThieves | you leave the US too | [18:52] |
mircea_popescu | he didnt have that much money. | [18:52] |
mircea_popescu | he struggled for three weeks to move a kg of coke. | [18:52] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 1.3072 = 7.8432 BTC [-] {3} | [18:52] |
pankkake | he could simply like where he lives | [18:52] |
mircea_popescu | this is the definition of small timer. | [18:52] |
pankkake | indeed that thing is weird | [18:52] |
pankkake | why would the megaboss of the internet mafia do that? | [18:53] |
mircea_popescu | the average car salesman sells more worth of car a day. | [18:53] |
mircea_popescu | likely for a better cut, too. | [18:53] |
ThickAsThieves | there will def be more to thi story | [18:53] |
pankkake | a drug dealer is usually more honest than a car salesman though | [18:54] |
mircea_popescu | my bet is that as the feds get enough of being humiliated it quietly drops into oblivion. | [18:54] |
benkay_ | it's not unbelievable that the nerd running the SR show would know nothing about actually moving product | [18:54] |
ThickAsThieves | wasnt really his job anyway | [18:56] |
mircea_popescu | why did he get involved is what i want to know. | [18:57] |
mircea_popescu | it's so stupid this shit. im torn as towhether to do a write-up of why it's stupid and in the process prove i understand the drug trade all too well or just stfu. | [18:57] |
benkay_ | oh please do | [18:58] |
ThickAsThieves | probably just a whim, coder says oh i can make a thing! | [18:58] |
ThickAsThieves | then makes it live | [18:58] |
ThickAsThieves | and just kinda rolls with it | [18:58] |
benkay_ | then btctalk can add drug dealer to the list of epithets they spit | [18:58] |
mircea_popescu | heh. | [18:58] |
ThickAsThieves | isnt the story that there is an original and a 2nd owner? | [18:59] |
pankkake | the issue is that he wasn't nerd enough. he made technical mistakes, and then wasn't paranoid enough, thought he has the street smarts or whatever | [18:59] |
ThickAsThieves | i find that not believable | [18:59] |
ThickAsThieves | technical mistakes sure, but not paranoid enough?! | [18:59] |
ThickAsThieves | he aided in a drug supermarket | [19:00] |
Apocalyptic | he posted under his real name... | [19:00] |
ThickAsThieves | how could he not be paranoid | [19:00] |
Apocalyptic | of course he wasn't paranoid enough | [19:00] |
ThickAsThieves | allegedly | [19:00] |
ThickAsThieves | maybe Ross is the original guy | [19:01] |
ThickAsThieves | and realized quickly he was too deep | [19:01] |
ThickAsThieves | and that he wasnt paranoid enough at the start | [19:01] |
ThickAsThieves | so he sold it | [19:01] |
ThickAsThieves | and now that guy is out there | [19:01] |
ThickAsThieves | probly running BMR etc | [19:02] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 1.40999999 = 2.82 BTC [+] | [19:07] |
ThickAsThieves | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24426881 | [19:08] |
ozbot | BBC News - China tells US to avoid debt crisis for sake of global economy | [19:08] |
ThickAsThieves | "We hope the United States fully understands the lessons of history," Mr Zhu said | [19:08] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 1.41 BTC [+] | [19:08] |
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Rulother | hah | [19:09] |
Rulother | China should know the US better by no | [19:09] |
Rulother | now* | [19:09] |
kakobrekla | China will grow larger. | [19:09] |
jcpham | us fracks like crazy: http://blogs.marketwatch.com/energy-ticker/2013/10/04/move-over-russia-u-s-is-now-the-worlds-biggest-oil-gas-producer/ | [19:10] |
jurov | Rulother and what can China do? covertyl assassinate few tea partiers? | [19:12] |
kakobrekla | > http://youtu.be/UPH9iKpM-fk?t=6s | [19:12] |
Rulother | If we were only so lucky | [19:13] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 24 @ 1.41583331 = 33.98 BTC [+] {6} | [19:28] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 0.12989999 BTC [-] | [19:31] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 0.1299 BTC [+] | [19:34] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.013632 = 0.3408 BTC [+] {2} | [19:37] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00084306 = 6.1543 BTC [+] | [19:43] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 8 @ 0.0137 = 0.1096 BTC [+] | [19:49] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 8 @ 0.0137 = 0.1096 BTC [+] {2} | [19:52] |
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mircea_popescu | benkay_ http://trilema.com/2013/what-the-drug-trade-is-how-the-drug-trade-works-and-why-silk-road-didnt-work-and-didnt-matter/ | [20:00] |
mircea_popescu | enjoy. | [20:00] |
benkay_ | oooh | [20:00] |
ThickAsThieves | hmm google docs is not letting me paste into google a spreadsheet without installing google drive for chrome (i'm using opera) | [20:01] |
ThickAsThieves | suddenly | [20:01] |
benkay_ | pallet ;) | [20:01] |
mircea_popescu | pellet lol | [20:03] |
mircea_popescu | pew pew | [20:03] |
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benkay_ | waaat | [20:05] |
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ThickAsThieves | lol http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/7/4812630/fox-news-shepard-smith-news-deck | [20:16] |
Kleeck__ | wtf | [20:17] |
ThickAsThieves | Honey I Shrunk Fox News | [20:17] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [20:17] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 60 @ 0.00375 = 0.225 BTC [-] | [20:18] |
dexX7 | lol | [20:18] |
dexX7 | reminds me of http://www.businessinsider.com/the-us-army-star-trek-command-center-2013-9 | [20:18] |
Kleeck__ | Bigger screems means we're more relevant, right? RIGHT GUIZ?! | [20:19] |
ThickAsThieves | now every foxnews viewer will be compelled to get a tablet | [20:20] |
mircea_popescu | 1 btc to the first person that hacks into their tablets and puts cp on. | [20:20] |
mircea_popescu | resulting in all of fox news being put on the sex offender register | [20:20] |
Duffer1 | they'd blame obama | [20:21] |
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ThickAsThieves | bigger bounty deserved! | [20:21] |
Duffer1 | get off scot free | [20:21] |
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ThickAsThieves | I'll add 2btc, but not cp, I want mp on a horse | [20:21] |
mircea_popescu | i think that horse was underage anyway. | [20:22] |
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chris_ | you can settle for mp on a camel now | [20:28] |
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mircea_popescu | i dunno if i made camel pix | [20:30] |
b0n1 | is there any back and lay betting exchange for btc? | [20:35] |
b0n1 | like betfair | [20:35] |
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mircea_popescu | about a dozen people tried and failed. if you care to understand the reasons i can link you to a write-up. | [20:38] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.01300059 = 1.3001 BTC [-] {5} | [20:39] |
b0n1 | yeah, would be nice | [20:39] |
b0n1 | is it the low volume problem on startup? | [20:39] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.013 = 0.585 BTC [-] {2} | [20:40] |
mircea_popescu | nah | [20:40] |
mircea_popescu | lemme see ehre | [20:40] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.01264222 = 3.7927 BTC [-] {10} | [20:41] |
mircea_popescu | http://trilema.com/2013/least-likely-to-succeed-character-the-upseller/ | [20:42] |
ozbot | Least likely to succeed character : The upseller pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | [20:42] |
mircea_popescu | 2nd half is the meat of it. | [20:42] |
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b0n1 | you mean the liquidity problem? | [20:46] |
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mircea_popescu | nope. | [20:46] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 16 @ 0.0219375 = 0.351 BTC [+] {2} | [20:49] |
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jborkl | I stopped by and talked to Cointerra in person | [20:52] |
mircea_popescu | o hey. what's he say ? | [20:53] |
jborkl | There was 3 of them, I got to see renderings that are not published yet- talked for about 1.5 hours- I also told them the advantages of listing on MPEX | [20:53] |
mircea_popescu | 3 cointerras ?! how many drinks did you have ? :D | [20:54] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, article incoming i trust ? | [20:54] |
jborkl | yes and I have access to preferred pricing for interested parties | [20:55] |
jborkl | I will put a article in a little while | [20:55] |
mircea_popescu | lol you're a distributor nao ? | [20:55] |
jborkl | no | [20:56] |
dexX7 | jborkl: where do you publish your article? | [20:56] |
jborkl | bitcoinnews.com - I will put it up in a hour or so | [20:56] |
dexX7 | ty | [20:56] |
jborkl | I asked them why they listed with Pico and not MPEX | [20:57] |
mircea_popescu | what'd they say ? | [20:58] |
jborkl | What they said made sense, for the US- Pico is a holding co and buys a block from them. You actually buy Pico holding and not Cointerra | [20:59] |
dexX7 | wait, the listing there is legit? | [20:59] |
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mircea_popescu | dexX7 im about as amazed myself. | [21:00] |
pankkake | yeah https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=307042.0 | [21:00] |
pankkake | communication is terrible though | [21:00] |
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ThickAsThieves | ridiculous... | [21:01] |
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mircea_popescu | tapeout 28nm... so what's this, march ? | [21:01] |
jborkl | The listing at Pico is Cointerra, I can tell you that | [21:01] |
jborkl | I asked him point blank | [21:01] |
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ThickAsThieves | still ridic | [21:02] |
jborkl | They say, shipping is December - Remember I am not promoting or pumping anything- just telling you what I went by and saw | [21:02] |
ThickAsThieves | thats not why i'm saying it's ridic | [21:02] |
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pankkake | so do they really plan to mine too? | [21:03] |
dexX7 | well. i'm still not 100 % convinced. tytus is the one who created the listing, that's no new info, so i'm not surprised that he confirms the listing. | [21:03] |
pankkake | because the pico guy said "maybe or maybe not" | [21:03] |
mircea_popescu | well that's good, cause I can make a bet,. | [21:03] |
jborkl | They said they will have a datacenter in Dallas, TX | [21:03] |
mircea_popescu | o wait, they don't sell units ? | [21:03] |
jborkl | yes they do | [21:04] |
pankkake | they do, and their initial plan was to do only that | [21:04] |
jborkl | they will have hosting (3rd party) and selling units | [21:04] |
mircea_popescu | mkay. | [21:04] |
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jborkl | The units I saw (final design I think) has liquid cooling standard - has 2 900 w power supplies and draws at the wall approx 1300 | [21:05] |
ThickAsThieves | whats their customer protection plan? | [21:05] |
jborkl | did not ask that | [21:05] |
jborkl | I do not believe on protection plans excpt condoms | [21:05] |
ThickAsThieves | it's not a matter of belief | [21:05] |
jborkl | I did not ask that question | [21:06] |
pankkake | https://cointerra.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/200046263-Price-Protection | [21:06] |
ozbot | Price Protection – CoinTerra | [21:06] |
jborkl | I asked almost everything else | [21:06] |
ThickAsThieves | not the best plan :/ | [21:07] |
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jborkl | Chips are supposed to be from (700 grade a to 500 grade d) I assigned the a-d values myself | [21:07] |
pankkake | but you can get a better deal, it seems: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg3226890#msg3226890 | [21:07] |
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ThickAsThieves | lol that deal sucks too | [21:08] |
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ThickAsThieves | 30% per month? | [21:08] |
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pankkake | oh, right, I confused thirty and thirteen | [21:08] |
ThickAsThieves | "I can't wait to see where share price goes once we list on a new exchange, and as we get closer and closer to delivery" | [21:08] |
jborkl | I was told the deal I could get, and I think I could do a little better even | [21:09] |
ThickAsThieves | only one protection plan makes sense, discount = diff increase | [21:09] |
ThickAsThieves | or hashpower | [21:10] |
pankkake | bfl would be bankrupt! | [21:10] |
ThickAsThieves | shouldnt they be? | [21:10] |
Au-WireBeard | Im sure theyve drafted notice | [21:10] |
pankkake | I'm not sure it would be better for customers - they would get nothing | [21:11] |
jborkl | If they actually make this chip, BFL is screwed (like they were not before?) | [21:11] |
ThickAsThieves | pankkake BFL customers are already in that spot no? | [21:11] |
ThickAsThieves | many of them | [21:11] |
ThickAsThieves | the point here isnt to drive the company into the ground | [21:12] |
pankkake | yes, still half screwed is better than fully screwed? | [21:12] |
ThickAsThieves | it's to force them to name a real release date | [21:12] |
ThickAsThieves | and sell at a real price | [21:12] |
pankkake | jborkl: well, they have preorders, so maybe only for new orders | [21:12] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 25 @ 0.0041 = 0.1025 BTC [+] | [21:12] |
pankkake | maybe customer protection should be provided by a third party | [21:13] |
mircea_popescu | how do bfl customers have a prayer ? | [21:13] |
mircea_popescu | they ordered when diff was <1% of current | [21:13] |
ThickAsThieves | how would that work pankkake? | [21:13] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 111 @ 0.00154979 = 0.172 BTC [+] {3} | [21:13] |
mircea_popescu | ya srsly. | [21:13] |
jborkl | isnt that just mining diff futures? | [21:14] |
pankkake | an insurance type of thing? | [21:14] |
pankkake | probably, except not really tied to a hardware release | [21:14] |
ThickAsThieves | doesnt work in this case | [21:14] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 40 @ 0.0499 = 1.996 BTC [+] | [21:14] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 19 @ 0.01349 = 0.2563 BTC [+] | [21:14] |
ThickAsThieves | the problem being addresses is that these companies are putting all risks onto the customers | [21:15] |
ThickAsThieves | addressed* | [21:15] |
pankkake | what I have in mind is that the companies finance the thing, but it's a pool; that way customers can feel safe even if the companies go bankrupt | [21:15] |
ThickAsThieves | and what of the insurance company? | [21:15] |
ThickAsThieves | they only profit if things ship on time | [21:16] |
ThickAsThieves | otherwise they die | [21:16] |
ThickAsThieves | the equation must put risk on the manufacturer | [21:16] |
pankkake | the manufacturer pays the insurer, and gets its money back if it ships on time? | [21:16] |
ThickAsThieves | no escaping that | [21:16] |
mircea_popescu | how;s the manufacturer paying the insurer, | [21:17] |
kakobrekla | preorders allow for that risk to be mitigated | [21:17] |
kakobrekla | people themself allow this to happen to themself | [21:17] |
mircea_popescu | wjhen 99% of cases manufacturer can't afford a 100 btc bitbet ? | [21:17] |
pankkake | yes, the how is an issue :) | [21:17] |
mircea_popescu | that'd allow the customers to buy insurance, at a market-established fair premium | [21:17] |
mircea_popescu | but... ask them about it. | [21:17] |
pankkake | the bet is all-or-nothing though | [21:17] |
dexX7 | maybe you should work on a better promotion/presentation. it is indeed a good idea, but "wtf is bitbet, why is this relevant" | [21:17] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 452 @ 0.001589 = 0.7182 BTC [+] {2} | [21:17] |
ThickAsThieves | it doesnt matter | [21:18] |
ThickAsThieves | to participate is to put attention on the risk | [21:18] |
ThickAsThieves | they dont want that | [21:18] |
ThickAsThieves | since the risk is all yours | [21:18] |
ThickAsThieves | 100btc is nothing | [21:18] |
ThickAsThieves | doesnt preclude customers from being ripped | [21:19] |
lewicki | tat, eta on video of presentation? | [21:19] |
ThickAsThieves | 2 weeks | [21:19] |
mircea_popescu | right-o. | [21:20] |
pankkake | what can you do if your ETA is really two weeks? say 14 days? | [21:20] |
pankkake | 2.00001 week? | [21:21] |
kakobrekla | just after soon enough | [21:21] |
Au-WireBeard | 336 hours from now | [21:21] |
pankkake | 2100 blocks! | [21:21] |
pankkake | 2016* | [21:22] |
mircea_popescu | ;;tslb | [21:25] |
gribble | Time since last block: 3 minutes and 10 seconds | [21:25] |
nubbins` | im gonna start using blocks as a measure of distance | [21:25] |
nubbins` | "oh, that's only three blocks away" | [21:25] |
mircea_popescu | so here we go : | [21:25] |
mircea_popescu | http://bitbet.us/bet/550/cointerra-will-deliver-in-2013/ | [21:25] |
nubbins` | but the joke will be on you! | [21:25] |
ozbot | BitBet - Cointerra will deliver in 2013 | [21:26] |
pankkake | the good thing about that rising difficulty, is that now bitcoin = litecoin | [21:26] |
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ThickAsThieves | the only thing litecoin has left going for it is for a major exchange to support it | [21:28] |
ThickAsThieves | otherwise it's usless | [21:28] |
ThickAsThieves | it goes down when btc goes up | [21:28] |
dexX7 | http://bitbet.us/bet/528/activemining-will-be-profitable-for-most-investors/ ?? | [21:28] |
ozbot | BitBet - ActiveMining will be profitable for most investors | [21:28] |
ThickAsThieves | and down when btc goes down | [21:29] |
dexX7 | this bet is closed? | [21:29] |
pankkake | there are some fiat exchanges supporting it. but it's just one step anyway, so why would it change that much? | [21:29] |
dexX7 | oh | [21:29] |
dexX7 | nvm | [21:29] |
ThickAsThieves | "Should btct.co disappear before that date or should proof emerge of btct.co failure to pay any liquid and exigible debt to any investor this bet resolves as No." | [21:29] |
dexX7 | lol | [21:29] |
dexX7 | yes | [21:29] |
pankkake | eh… that certainly wasn't my intent when creating the bet | [21:29] |
pankkake | it was on BitFunder at the time, and still is | [21:29] |
pankkake | and I didn't write that text | [21:30] |
ThickAsThieves | answer will still be No | [21:30] |
pankkake | now people are going to be angry at me | [21:30] |
ThickAsThieves | dont worry | [21:30] |
mircea_popescu | dexX7 well cause btctc crapped ouit | [21:30] |
pankkake | still a very bad way to handle things | [21:30] |
dexX7 | yes, i was hasty | [21:30] |
mircea_popescu | pankkake welcome to bitbet, a game of unpredictable consequences. | [21:31] |
ThickAsThieves | let's just put that condition on all bets | [21:31] |
pankkake | I regret promoting a bet I didn't specify fully then | [21:31] |
mircea_popescu | i suppose it can be remade to reference bitfunder isntead | [21:31] |
ThickAsThieves | Red Sox will win world series, this bet resolves as No if Bitfunder closes | [21:31] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [21:31] |
pankkake | and I'm unhappy about *winning*, let's be clear | [21:32] |
mircea_popescu | moar like "red sox will win world series, this bet resolves as no if world series doesn't exist anymoar" | [21:32] |
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dexX7 | then you should have read the bet more carefully? | [21:32] |
mircea_popescu | ya next time don't win on bets you didn't read carefully. | [21:32] |
pankkake | :D | [21:32] |
pankkake | no but see, I wrote the bet, except the last part | [21:33] |
ThickAsThieves | i thought the whole point of btc investing was to profit by mistake? | [21:33] |
mircea_popescu | i guess so | [21:33] |
ThickAsThieves | and that gambling = investing | [21:33] |
mircea_popescu | so it's now 5.06 to 0.04 | [21:33] |
mircea_popescu | anyone got any confidence at all in cointerra delivering ? | [21:33] |
ThickAsThieves | didnt CT already say delivery is in Jan? | [21:33] |
mircea_popescu | [21:34] | |
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ThickAsThieves | http://cointerra.com/shop/ | [21:34] |
pankkake | mircea_popescu: I think they will, but I'm to going vote No as an hedge | [21:34] |
ThickAsThieves | their own site says Jan | [21:35] |
BingoBoingo | pankkake: You don't vote on bets, you bet on them | [21:35] |
dexX7 | do you have orders on ct, pankkake? | [21:35] |
pankkake | kinda | [21:35] |
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mircea_popescu | TerraMiner II – 1TH/s, Networked ASIC Miner (Early January Batch) | [21:35] |
mircea_popescu | this would imply there's an earlier teraminer i neh ? | [21:36] |
pankkake | december batches are sold already, as I understand | [21:36] |
dexX7 | ah i see | [21:36] |
dexX7 | so there were dec orders? | [21:36] |
mircea_popescu | apparently. | [21:36] |
pankkake | http://cointerra.com/product/terraminer-iv-2ths/ | [21:36] |
dexX7 | according to their resume, they are the creme de la creme | [21:37] |
ThickAsThieves | oh | [21:37] |
pankkake | yes. though it isn't everything. and it seems to be their *only* way of saying they're the best | [21:37] |
ThickAsThieves | my bad | [21:37] |
dexX7 | well, they are new and have no finished product yet | [21:38] |
asciilifeform | funstuff: http://lasecwww.epfl.ch/keyboard/ | [21:38] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform does it hold true for metal case ? | [21:40] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00084194 = 5.5568 BTC [-] {2} | [21:41] |
asciilifeform | yes, unless the latter is 1) grounded 2) has no openings larger than the wavelength in question | [21:41] |
asciilifeform | see: 'Faraday's cage.' | [21:41] |
jborkl | yes, they said there were December orders | [21:41] |
mircea_popescu | it would be solid, so no openings. | [21:42] |
asciilifeform | solid + grounded works. | [21:42] |
mircea_popescu | grounded is actually no good i suspect, | [21:42] |
mircea_popescu | antenna effect | [21:42] |
mircea_popescu | better to have it POWERED | [21:42] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 4630 @ 0.00126881 = 5.8746 BTC [+] {2} | [21:43] |
asciilifeform | power line becomes a potential antenna in that case | [21:43] |
ThickAsThieves | battery | [21:44] |
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asciilifeform | ThickAsThieves: idea is that you want to disperse any excess charge on the case as quickly as possible. | [21:44] |
mircea_popescu | or dilute it. | [21:45] |
asciilifeform | it also depends if you're trying to merely keep RF in, or also out. | [21:45] |
ThickAsThieves | so can kb be made with a "jammer" | [21:46] |
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ThickAsThieves | something that inserts random waves or such | [21:46] |
asciilifeform | i've often thought about cobbling together a keyboard based on pinched optical fibers for the scanning matrix | [21:46] |
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mircea_popescu | the correct solution is to buy your own acre | [21:46] |
mircea_popescu | and shoot anyone that trespasses | [21:46] |
ThickAsThieves | hehe | [21:46] |
ThickAsThieves | or something like how noise cancellation works | [21:47] |
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pankkake | or lead walls | [21:49] |
ThickAsThieves | what about an all-digital kb? like with an lcd display | [21:49] |
ThickAsThieves | or such | [21:49] |
ThickAsThieves | http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/7/4812750/banks-stuff-atms-with-cash-as-debt-ceiling-deadline-looms | [21:50] |
ThickAsThieves | the next Cyprus btc bubble? | [21:50] |
ThickAsThieves | http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/pictures-rothschild-family/ | [21:53] |
nubbins` | i dont get this debt ceiling thing | [21:53] |
ThickAsThieves | is this what the romanian btc conference will be like? | [21:53] |
nubbins` | why don't they just raise it to infinity | [21:53] |
nubbins` | it's not like it matters | [21:53] |
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mircea_popescu | o yeah, i should do a reminder. | [21:56] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 228 @ 0.00122 = 0.2782 BTC [-] | [21:56] |
mircea_popescu | dear peoples : please bear in mind http://trilema.com/2013/the-conference-second-edition/ | [21:56] |
kakobrekla | dafuq is Ven | [21:56] |
kakobrekla | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=290799.160;topicseen | [21:56] |
mircea_popescu | substantial discount if you get your vip seats this year. | [21:56] |
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kakobrekla | what two vips and both losers | [21:57] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 76 @ 0.00402105 = 0.3056 BTC [-] {2} | [21:57] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 1.27578034 = 38.2734 BTC [-] {8} | [21:57] |
ThickAsThieves | treehugger coins | [21:58] |
mircea_popescu | some hippy shit | [21:58] |
mircea_popescu | yeah | [21:58] |
pankkake | ven was some hype private currency a while ago | [21:58] |
mircea_popescu | was the herp-business nefario was discussing at his pre-sudden death conference | [21:58] |
mircea_popescu | that was the "big thing" | [21:59] |
kakobrekla | o yeah i have some backflashes | [21:59] |
mircea_popescu | remember ven ? | [21:59] |
mircea_popescu | lemme grep. i like to grep. | [21:59] |
kakobrekla | vaugley | [21:59] |
pankkake | "The value of Ven is determined on the financial markets from a basket of currencies, commodities and carbon futures." | [21:59] |
kakobrekla | aaaa | [21:59] |
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kakobrekla | krakens are retarded :( | [22:00] |
pankkake | I'm sure they're only doing it because Ven paid them | [22:00] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 74 @ 0.01253539 = 0.9276 BTC [-] {8} | [22:00] |
kakobrekla | ok, not retarded but whores, then. | [22:00] |
mircea_popescu | Oct 15 04:19:18 |
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mircea_popescu | that's a year ago | [22:01] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 1.25000001 = 16.25 BTC [-] {3} | [22:01] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 0.12999998 BTC [+] | [22:01] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 32 @ 1.26612499 = 40.516 BTC [-] {5} | [22:01] |
mircea_popescu | Sep 22 04:42:04 |
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mircea_popescu | Sep 22 04:42:06 |
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mircea_popescu | lmao aww | [22:02] |
zoinky | can still trade on btct? | [22:02] |
mircea_popescu | Sep 22 03:32:07 |
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kakobrekla | can still trade on glbse? | [22:02] |
kakobrekla | ;;seen nefari | [22:02] |
gribble | I have not seen nefari. | [22:02] |
zoinky | lol | [22:02] |
kakobrekla | ;;seen nefario | [22:02] |
gribble | nefario was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 1 week, 5 days, 23 hours, 2 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: |
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kakobrekla | here! | [22:02] |
mircea_popescu | Sep 22 03:16:18 |
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mircea_popescu | Sep 22 03:16:20 |
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mircea_popescu | Sep 22 03:16:26 |
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mircea_popescu | Sep 22 03:16:29 |
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mircea_popescu | Sep 20 17:04:40 |
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mircea_popescu | Sep 20 16:18:30 |
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mircea_popescu | Sep 20 16:18:32 |
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mircea_popescu | Sep 20 16:18:35 |
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mircea_popescu | Sep 20 16:19:57 |
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mircea_popescu | anyway, that's the gist of it. | [22:03] |
kakobrekla | O_o | [22:04] |
kakobrekla | i still hold dat opinion | [22:05] |
mircea_popescu | cause you're stubborn! ven has come such a long way since last autumn | [22:05] |
mircea_popescu | its tits sag a little more now! | [22:06] |
pankkake | well, carbon credits are a scam. or more exactly, warmists invented carbon credits to profit from their scam :) | [22:06] |
mircea_popescu | and then the russian mafia beat them to the punch. | [22:06] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.393 BTC [+] | [22:06] |
pankkake | the russian mafia sells carbon credits? | [22:06] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla actually, 3 losers! list updated. | [22:08] |
mircea_popescu | pankkake http://www.epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Hearings.Statement&Statement_ID=b5683930-a655-4fce-8bbf-9b67acec22b5 | [22:09] |
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pankkake | I don't understand how/why | [22:10] |
mircea_popescu | because it's a racket. | [22:11] |
mircea_popescu | and rackets are what the mob does. | [22:11] |
mircea_popescu | what's to understand ? | [22:11] |
asciilifeform | 'when buying & selling are regulated, the 1st thing to be bought'n'sold is the regulators' (ms. rand?) | [22:11] |
mircea_popescu | for the record : "A racket is a service that is fraudulently offered to solve a problem, such as for a problem that does not actually exist, will not be affected, or would not otherwise exist." | [22:11] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1641 @ 0.00124 = 2.0348 BTC [-] {2} | [22:11] |
pankkake | yes, but then governments are the criminals already, why would the russian mafia sell carbon credits? | [22:12] |
mircea_popescu | because the mafia is more efficiently organised, by more determined, better people than any government | [22:12] |
mircea_popescu | thus any lucrative racket is taken over from any govt. | [22:13] |
pankkake | well, they probably would give me better health insurance, but it isn't happening yet :p | [22:13] |
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pankkake | anyway, I suppose you know about al gore owning a carbon credit company | [22:14] |
mircea_popescu | yeh | [22:14] |
kakobrekla | http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/oct/07/fbi-bitcoin-silk-road-ross-ulbricht | [22:14] |
nubbins` | "warmists" | [22:15] |
nubbins` | lel | [22:15] |
kakobrekla | >FBI struggles to seize 600,000 Bitcoins from alleged Silk Road founder | [22:15] |
nubbins` | kakobrekla: read that, heavy lels | [22:15] |
ThickAsThieves | what do they pay court artists these days? peanuts? | [22:15] |
nubbins` | tat, lsd sugar cubes | [22:15] |
nubbins` | apparently | [22:15] |
kakobrekla | lol | [22:16] |
ThickAsThieves | is that an antenna coming out of his head? | [22:16] |
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ThickAsThieves | "Even if the FBI is not able to transfer the money, merely having possession of the wallet file itself is enough to prevent the coins being spent. The Bureau is in a position equivalent to having seized a safe belonging to a suspect with no idea of the combination – and no hope of forcing it open any other way." | [22:17] |
nubbins` | i think it's the edge where those two alternate planes of reality meet | [22:17] |
mircea_popescu | how retarded are these people ? | [22:17] |
nubbins` | no hope of forcing it open! | [22:17] |
nubbins` | i give it a week before the coins vanish | [22:17] |
ThickAsThieves | any other way than what? | [22:17] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 20 @ 0.04998 = 0.9996 BTC [+] {2} | [22:17] |
kakobrekla | do we know where they are parked? | [22:18] |
asciilifeform | nobody cancelled rectothermal cryptoanalysis! | [22:18] |
nubbins` | any other way than with the "combination" | [22:18] |
ThickAsThieves | kako, we dont know they exist imo | [22:18] |
mircea_popescu | "the bureau is in a position equivalent to having snatched copies of michelle obama masturbating on camera | [22:18] |
mircea_popescu | even if this does nothing for her, they can certainly jack off in peace" | [22:18] |
ThickAsThieves | with the lens cap on | [22:18] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00084331 = 4.9755 BTC [+] {2} | [22:18] |
ThickAsThieves | you can still hear the squishy noises! | [22:19] |
ThickAsThieves | sorry | [22:19] |
mircea_popescu | and all the other people that have copies can even see it! | [22:19] |
mircea_popescu | "The Dixie Mafia is a criminal organization based in Biloxi, Mississippi, and operated primarily in the Southern United States" | [22:19] |
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mircea_popescu | i just fell over laughing | [22:19] |
nubbins` | WHOA | [22:22] |
nubbins` | http://blockchain.info/tx/c99eab8a071d91ce60de038c0d6bff8a51d9f566ef977edc91f6bcf091b7c06f | [22:22] |
ozbot | Bitcoin Transaction c99eab8a071d91ce60de038c0d6bff8a51d9f566ef977edc91f6bcf091b7c06f | [22:22] |
nubbins` | Public Note: Eu sou do Brasil... Eu quero expressar minha opinião sobre a drogas... o governo prende quem vende drogas só por causa que não da lucro para o governo... então acaba com com o cigarro com as bebidas alcoólicas... | [22:23] |
dexX7 | Public Notice: I'm from Brazil ... I want to express my opinion on drugs ... the government holds those who sell drugs just because they do not profit from the government ... then ends with the cigarette with alcohol ... | [22:23] |
nubbins` | oh, sorry, that note is attached to the previous tx (0.00012 BTC) | [22:23] |
nubbins` | lel | [22:23] |
nubbins` | nevermind | [22:23] |
dexX7 | oh | [22:23] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00084353 = 5.5251 BTC [+] | [22:24] |
nubbins` | i guess they're still transferring coin from sr -> fbi | [22:24] |
mircea_popescu | lmao all the people emailing | [22:24] |
pankkake | "This seizure was only legal because bitcoin is not recognized as a currency" lol | [22:24] |
ThickAsThieves | lol it's his AM dividend | [22:25] |
nubbins` | yeah | [22:25] |
nubbins` | these comments are about the same caliber as youtube comments | [22:26] |
mircea_popescu | pretty much. | [22:26] |
nubbins` | http://blockchain.info/tx/db3ed0a71adb085df9ef190c20a4fcf36ef8988bff86eeeccd7ed6328aa3381a | [22:26] |
ozbot | Bitcoin Transaction db3ed0a71adb085df9ef190c20a4fcf36ef8988bff86eeeccd7ed6328aa3381a | [22:26] |
asciilifeform | nah, the 250btc was the fee for taking the soldering out of his arse for ten minutes. | [22:26] |
ThickAsThieves | "Evolution did not end with us growing opposable thumbs. You do know that, right? There's another 90 percent of our brains that we have to illuminate." | [22:26] |
ThickAsThieves | indeed. | [22:27] |
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pankkake | ;;bc,stats | [22:30] |
gribble | Current Blocks: 262271 | Current Difficulty: 1.8928124928103292E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 264095 | Next Difficulty In: 1824 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 22 hours, 7 minutes, and 3 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 216225003.241 | Estimated Percent Change: 14.23477 | [22:30] |
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jborkl | oh more KNC fire pics | [22:38] |
jborkl | Fire! Fire | [22:38] |
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pankkake | post! | [22:39] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 15 @ 0.0504 = 0.756 BTC [+] {3} | [22:39] |
jborkl | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XchwE9zVdnw | [22:39] |
ozbot | Beavis and Butthead - FIRE FIRE! FIRE! FIRE! - YouTube | [22:39] |
kakobrekla | urlpls | [22:39] |
jborkl | http://imgur.com/a/HKLWD | [22:39] |
ozbot | KnCBurner v2 - Imgur | [22:39] |
pankkake | wasn't a miner named bitburner? | [22:40] |
jborkl | 3rd one I have seen | [22:40] |
jborkl | lol yeah | [22:40] |
dexX7 | pankkake: yup, avalon board by burnin | [22:40] |
kakobrekla | eh thats only a small fire | [22:40] |
kakobrekla | just a fleshwound | [22:41] |
jborkl | the 3 pics I have seen - they are all popping in the same spots | [22:41] |
mircea_popescu | kik | [22:41] |
mircea_popescu | jborkl this is suspicious. if caps bust they should bust moire distributedly. | [22:41] |
mircea_popescu | maybe there's an underlying fault in the pmb. | [22:41] |
dub | tis but a scratch | [22:41] |
jborkl | yeah, it is strange that they have done it in the same spot basically- so I would agree there is a common problem and not random failure | [22:43] |
jborkl | .tslb | [22:44] |
ozbot | 61.27 minutes | [22:44] |
mod6 | sweet, got my destroyer up and working | [22:44] |
jborkl | yeah, over an hour | [22:44] |
pankkake | if you want better explosions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssL1DA_K0sI | [22:44] |
jborkl | fuck you diff 189 | [22:44] |
ThickAsThieves | mp what was the name of those notes that govs use to deal in large amounts of money? | [22:44] |
ThickAsThieves | started with an S | [22:44] |
ThickAsThieves | i think | [22:45] |
dub | http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/10/07/1723206/sick-of-your-local-police-force-crowdfund-your-own?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitter | [22:45] |
ozbot | Sick of Your Local Police Force? Crowdfund Your Own - Slashdot | [22:45] |
dub | inb4 buttcoin IPO for private police | [22:45] |
pankkake | oh, nice. i thought this would be about the detroit guy | [22:45] |
dub | Unlike Kickstarter, the Crowdtilt campaigns don't feature fabulous prizes for contributing; gifting $100, for example, won't entitle you to 'One (1) free "accidental" shooting of your choice.' | [22:46] |
pankkake | not even a free anal cavity search? | [22:47] |
lyspooner | hello everyone! did somesone say free anal cavity search? | [22:47] |
jborkl | http://imgur.com/a/hyA3a | [22:47] |
ozbot | KNCburner - Imgur | [22:47] |
jborkl | http://imgur.com/2UZuUzH | [22:48] |
ozbot | imgur: the simple image sharer | [22:48] |
jborkl | I burned mine in on testnet | [22:49] |
jborkl | lol | [22:49] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves s ?! | [22:49] |
pankkake | SDR | [22:50] |
mircea_popescu | lol has nothing to do with large amts of money >D | [22:51] |
mircea_popescu | nor are they notes. so ftw. | [22:51] |
mircea_popescu | special drawing rights are a gold substitute, basically, since nixon. | [22:51] |
ThickAsThieves | thats the thing | [22:51] |
ThickAsThieves | i wanted to read up on it better | [22:51] |
ThickAsThieves | obv my understanding is wrong :) | [22:52] |
mircea_popescu | you understand how the fed system works, rgiht ? | [22:53] |
ThickAsThieves | basically i had no memory of the SDR topic when we last spoke about it, just knew it was something to do with governments | [22:54] |
ThickAsThieves | but i recall you mentioning how bitcoin could be good for like purposes | [22:54] |
ThickAsThieves | and i want more arguments as to why bitcoins ultimate use isnt necessarily as a currency to buy coffee | [22:54] |
mircea_popescu | mkay. so the fed system works thusly : instead of the various banks shipping bullion back and forth as people deposit/withdraw money, | [22:55] |
mircea_popescu | they just re-allocate shares of holdings in these fed mystery boxes | [22:55] |
mircea_popescu | which meanwhile are empty, but that doesn't matter. | [22:55] |
ThickAsThieves | like the ones germany wants to visit | [22:55] |
ThickAsThieves | but cant | [22:55] |
mircea_popescu | this process was very advanced for the 50s, and so it gave an edge to the banks. | [22:55] |
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mircea_popescu | now, sdrs are an attempt to implement a similar mechanism in international trade, | [22:55] |
mircea_popescu | so that countries can just re-allocate their debt to each other through this mechanism | [22:56] |
mircea_popescu | it was never fully implemented, and it never worked too well in practice, | [22:56] |
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mircea_popescu | cheifly because too many cooks involved, and some of them french | [22:56] |
ThickAsThieves | "The SDR comes to prominence when the US dollar is weak or otherwise unsuitable to be a foreign exchange reserve asset. This usually manifests itself as an allocation of SDRs to IMF member countries. Distrust of the US dollar is not the only stated reason allocations have been made, however." says wiki | [22:57] |
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mircea_popescu | not really. afaik they were most proeminent due to a sudden liquidity systemic shock caused by the arab hike | [22:58] |
ThickAsThieves | "China has also suggested the creation of a substitution account to allow exchange of US dollars into SDRs.[Williamson 3] When substitution was proposed before, in 1978, the US appeared reluctant to allow such a mechanism to become operational.[Williamson 4] It is likely just as reluctant today." | [22:58] |
mircea_popescu | it was never really important since then | [22:58] |
ThickAsThieves | so basically the US only likes dealing in financial instruments that don't require provable backing | [22:59] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00084381 = 10.1257 BTC [+] {2} | [23:00] |
mircea_popescu | this is universal. | [23:00] |
mircea_popescu | people have been wanting to short mpex for a year, | [23:00] |
mircea_popescu | provided they don't have to post any collateral. | [23:00] |
mircea_popescu | they would bet, except bitbet requires the actual btc. etc. | [23:01] |
ThickAsThieves | or sell miners, without taking any risk | [23:01] |
mircea_popescu | indeed. | [23:01] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 10 @ 0.053 = 0.53 BTC [+] | [23:03] |
mircea_popescu | sdrs are backed by a basket of other fiats. it's not that much backing in the first place. | [23:04] |
mircea_popescu | moreover, as the proportion is fixed, they have all the disadvantages of a bimetallic system, which are marked. | [23:04] |
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ThickAsThieves | now if i recall, your background is in business consulting, why so much finance knowledge? | [23:05] |
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mircea_popescu | lol the crime iof knowing too much. | [23:05] |
mircea_popescu | business consulting doesn't necessarily mean working for small businesses you know. | [23:06] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 263 @ 0.00121002 = 0.3182 BTC [-] {3} | [23:06] |
ThickAsThieves | sure, but your degree of knowledge probably rivals most that are dedicated to the field | [23:07] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 251 @ 0.00120817 = 0.3033 BTC [-] {3} | [23:07] |
mircea_popescu | as flattering as that may be, knowledge and understanding are sometimes divergent. | [23:07] |
benkay_ | mircea_popescu: what are the sundry disadvantages of bimetallic systems? | [23:07] |
mircea_popescu | anyone can learn what the chess pieces are. | [23:07] |
ThickAsThieves | true | [23:08] |
benkay_ | (few can memorize the opening trees, much less play the chaotic variants) | [23:08] |
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mircea_popescu | benkay_ you have two metals that both work in the same capacity, and you fix an exchange rate between them which you can't easily change. | [23:08] |
mircea_popescu | as a result you'll constantly be arbitraged out of value. | [23:08] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 286 @ 0.00120005 = 0.3432 BTC [-] {3} | [23:08] |
mircea_popescu | if the yen is 11.6675% of a sdr and 11.6672% of the world economy people will short one and long the other somehow. this slowly whittles your holdings towards them. | [23:09] |
mircea_popescu | on paper this sounds like nothing at all, but in practice the fabled soros breaking of the bank of england was this, fundamentally. | [23:10] |
benkay_ | o hey | [23:10] |
benkay_ | thanks | [23:10] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.BBET] 2000 @ 0.00059999 = 1.2 BTC [+] | [23:11] |
robitnik | TAT, the NeoBee migration to Havelock seems to be going smoothly. Nice work. | [23:12] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 140 @ 0.00084387 = 0.1181 BTC [+] | [23:12] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 5000 @ 0.000165 = 0.825 BTC [-] | [23:13] |
ThickAsThieves | thx, Havelock made it easy | [23:14] |
ThickAsThieves | still trying to reach Ukyo... | [23:14] |
mircea_popescu | but anyway, back to the point : i didn't use sdrs as an example of the role of bitcoin. | [23:15] |
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mircea_popescu | i used sdrs as an example of a currency item that can never be bought or held by joe scjhmoe. | [23:15] |
mircea_popescu | yet nevertheelss has a nonzero value | [23:15] |
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ThickAsThieves | I see | [23:16] |
ThickAsThieves | so do you have specific predictions for how btc will be used in your possible future? | [23:17] |
mircea_popescu | well yes, take for instance the letter of credit. | [23:18] |
ThickAsThieves | international remittance seems the next wave | [23:18] |
mircea_popescu | something like that. | [23:18] |
mircea_popescu | currently if i wish to pay a supplier I must apply to a bank, which may within a month or so issue me a loc, provided | [23:18] |
mircea_popescu | the supplier is on the us approved lists of suppluiers that may be paid, and the bank feels like doing it and so on and so forth. | [23:18] |
mircea_popescu | or i can just send them 50k btc within a half hour and be done with it. | [23:19] |
ThickAsThieves | sounda an awful lot like a check | [23:19] |
ThickAsThieves | sounds* | [23:19] |
mircea_popescu | well yes. a loc is basically a large industrial check. | [23:20] |
mircea_popescu | they also cost way too much for what they do. | [23:20] |
ThickAsThieves | more like a cahsier's check i suppose | [23:20] |
lyspooner | Bitbook raided by the FBI? http://bitstarsite.wordpress.com/2013/10/07/bitbook-raided-one-hour-ago/ | [23:20] |
mircea_popescu | more like a certified draft or w.e | [23:20] |
dub | wtf is a bitbook | [23:21] |
ThickAsThieves | nice article | [23:21] |
mircea_popescu | very popular ?! | [23:21] |
mircea_popescu | da fuck i never heard of it ? | [23:21] |
lyspooner | hang on let me Tineye that image | [23:21] |
dub | credible news source to boot | [23:21] |
dub | BITSTARSITELOLKEK | [23:21] |
pankkake | sports betting only it seems | [23:22] |
mircea_popescu | o hey looky, bootstrap | [23:22] |
mircea_popescu | Forbidden (403) | [23:22] |
mircea_popescu | CSRF verification failed. Request aborted. | [23:22] |
mircea_popescu | You are seeing this message because this HTTPS site requires a 'Referer header' to be sent by your Web browser, but none was sent. | [23:22] |
mircea_popescu | herp. | [23:22] |
kakobrekla | url? | [23:22] |
pankkake | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=154995.0 | [23:23] |
mircea_popescu | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=154995.msg3295151#msg3295151 | [23:23] |
mircea_popescu | that shit's dope. | [23:23] |
mircea_popescu | "NO, IT'S A BAD GOD. THIS IS NOT GOOD... NO BITBOOK REPS, NO NOTHING RIGHT NOW. THE SITE JUST STRAIGHT UP DISAPPEARED. AND I WAS LITERALLY JUST WITHDRAWING THE BITCOINS INTO CASH. I HAVE LIKE $0 I NEEDED THAT MONEY SO BADLY YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND." | [23:24] |
pankkake | > THAT'S LIKE SERIOUSLY MY LIFE SAVINGS | [23:24] |
mircea_popescu | i guess there IS a sr alternative now ? | [23:24] |
dub | HELP I NEED MY COINS. BITBOOK HAS 15 OF MY COINS THAT'S LIKE SERIOUSLY MY LIFE SAVINGS I'M GOING TO FLIP MY SHIT. | [23:24] |
dub | oh snap | [23:24] |
mircea_popescu | ha! you were last once dub boy! | [23:24] |
dub | SHIT ABOUT TO BE FLIPPED YO | [23:24] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 1.2 = 8.4 BTC [-] {2} | [23:25] |
lyspooner | the bitstarsite used the picture from somewhere else http://www.democracychronicles.com/nj-politics-overwhelmed-by-role-of-money-in-elections/ | [23:26] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 29391 @ 0.00012161 = 3.5742 BTC [-] {5} | [23:26] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, here's a funny thing re locs that'll probably make anyone jealous. | [23:26] |
mircea_popescu | my bank here in romania is giving me free securitized BLO forms which I may use for any amt, even 50 bux, | [23:26] |
dub | so that 'blog' is 100% referral begging posts | [23:26] |
mircea_popescu | and they DO include the extra call to release which is basically all a loc provides | [23:26] |
dub | seems legit | [23:26] |
mircea_popescu | making romanian banking better than bitcoin, even. | [23:27] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.20628571 = 8.444 BTC [-] {4} | [23:27] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00028843 = 1.4422 BTC [+] {2} | [23:29] |
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mircea_popescu | http://www.youtube.com/embed/3C9Bng7NPPY | [23:35] |
mircea_popescu | someone should ipo this. | [23:35] |
ozbot | the touch - YouTube | [23:36] |
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nubbins` | i developed an algorithm to predict the next 12 difficulty increases last november, and it's been correct within 2% for the past five months | [23:43] |
pankkake | I would be surprised if it worked for the following months | [23:44] |
jurov | nubbins`: i reused mining forecast spreadsheet and it was very accurate, too | [23:45] |
jurov | just assumed it will go up 30% every time and the time will shorten accordingly | [23:45] |
kakobrekla | wiki doesnt have any info on joe scjhmoe | [23:45] |
nubbins` | ah, i used ODEs, complicated as fuck | [23:46] |
kakobrekla | o i was scrolled up nevermind | [23:46] |
nubbins` | your method sounds easier ;p | [23:46] |
ThickAsThieves | and how do you separate accuracy from coincidence? | [23:46] |
nubbins` | see, that's the thing, you can't | [23:47] |
jurov | yes i can't | [23:48] |
nubbins` | plus i'm totally making this all up | [23:48] |
nubbins` | so you need to weigh that as well | [23:49] |
jurov | add to it cases when next increase falls around idiffs expiration time | [23:49] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.01195825 = 0.3587 BTC [-] {6} | [23:49] |
jurov | which is about to happen on October 16th | [23:49] |
jurov | either 190m or 250m will be paid, no one knows how much | [23:50] |
jurov | fun :) | [23:50] |
jurov | short idiffs, ddos all the pools | [23:52] |
nubbins` | profit! | [23:52] |
nubbins` | you should ipo that | [23:53] |
BingoBoingo | In which a representative of SolarWindMiningCompany asked "dafuq is BingoBoingo" http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/07/re_dafuq_has_the_nerve/ A reply to an AMAZING COMPANY | [23:53] |
assbot | AMAZING COMPANY! | [23:53] |
jurov | https://www.cryptsy.com/ moar altcoinz, moar amazing | [23:54] |
assbot | AMAZING COMPANY! | [23:54] |
ozbot | Cryptsy - Trade Home | [23:54] |
nubbins` | http://25.media.tumblr.com/3191541bb5c4862c10d9b705ad6b0bf7/tumblr_mqajegAvOJ1rypweio1_500.gif | [23:55] |
nubbins` | ^^^ ipo that | [23:55] |
nubbins` | amazing cat | [23:55] |
assbot | AMAZING COMPANY! | [23:55] |
Rulother | jeez | [23:55] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [FN] [BTC-GROWTH] 4 @ 0.085495 = 0.342 BTC [+] {2} | [23:55] |
nubbins` | do not click if you have epilepsy | [23:55] |
jurov | too late | [23:56] |
nubbins` | do not have epilepsy | [23:56] |
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nubbins` | i wonder would people buy green coffee beans with btc? | [23:58] |
nubbins` | i've got a bunch that i won't be roasting any time soon | [23:58] |
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