Forum logs for 07 Nov 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
deedbot- [Trilema] How an economy functions ; how the pretense of an economy functions. - [00:20]
mod6 new code changes seem to be working good with manual testing; tested a bunch of different scenarios including if one does not have Graph::Easy installed, or if one has a version of perl less than 5.12. Working good there. all automated tests are passing. [00:22]
mod6 still on track to sign and release v99998 this weekend. [00:23]
asciilifeform congrats mod6 [00:24]
mod6 thanks asciilifeform. forgot to mention that the new tmp gnupg dir is working well also. [00:25]
mod6 The release email will outline the changes. [00:26]
deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Federal Reserve will raise interest rate at December FOMC meeting - [00:27]
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danielpbarron << Luke 9:23 Then He said to them all, "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me. 24 For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will save it. [00:47]
assbot Logged on 06-11-2015 19:31:11; mircea_popescu: that if you don't despise yourself and your own achievements, you'll never get anywhere. but not too much! because you also won't get anywhere! etc. [00:47]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo: 2 legs good, 4 legs better ? or what was it... << In the end it reverses as the pigs become nearly indistinguishable from the humans, except fatter. ESR in that pic seemed to have bagged a descendant of "napoleon" [01:06]
BingoBoingo who the fuck came up with gyms and why the fuck would you want the women working out outside the home. << To bring grief to the Mayogendered with a demonstration of gender. Also squats build booty. [01:08]
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danielpbarron >> What happened to the economy when Revlon went bankrupt ? << supposed to say 'myspace' in the 2nd column? [01:41]
assbot Logged on 07-11-2015 03:18:41; deedbot-: [Trilema] How an economy functions ; how the pretense of an economy functions. - [01:41]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron aty [01:45]
mircea_popescu "I'm pretty sure that's Charlize Theron, not Scarlett Johansson." And I'm pretty sure they're the same person, and just because now she's Rachel Maddow doesn't mean she's serious. [01:48]
mircea_popescu loller. [01:48]
mircea_popescu who the fuck is rachel maddow [01:48]
mircea_popescu but in other news, [01:48]
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mircea_popescu holy shit it's James Spader ! [01:52]
BingoBoingo He's been getting a lot of work recently. [01:54]
mircea_popescu as himself or as rachel ? [01:55]
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BingoBoingo Both. I think his big role this year was as a giant robot who gets killed by a purple dildo. [01:57]
mircea_popescu sounds like a bump deal. [01:59]
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BingoBoingo Eh, it was one of those masked hero movies so if he didn't die and asked for too much money they could have replaced him. [02:02]
BingoBoingo But he was the bad guy just as he is when he does drag as rachel. [02:03]
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BingoBoingo trinque: How was the up and down? [02:38]
trinque pretty great; my tmux session now supports utf8 hieroglyphs [02:39]
trinque oh working out, good as well [02:39]
BingoBoingo cool [02:39]
trinque plenty of eye candy over there; I did various machine press, curls, that weighted rowing machine [02:40]
trinque focusing on the things I've neglected sitting at a keyboard too long [02:40]
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BingoBoingo AH [02:48]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [02:53]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 381.3, vol: 40342.05981532 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 370.068, vol: 18665.95388 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 382.12, vol: 73731.05124534 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 380.0, vol: 11.9990794 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 401.23755, vol: 79982.66730000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 379.0, vol: 65.86842731 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 370.599, vol: 239.35691954 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) [02:54]
BingoBoingo ;;more [02:54]
gribble 388.072157846 [02:54]
asciilifeform << here's to wishing our newly made 'orange revolutionary' a speedy meeting with [03:03]
assbot Logged on 06-11-2015 23:53:27; punkman: from el reg [03:03]
asciilifeform 'Inasmuch as, you are one of the most influent persons in one of the most talented community (Hackers) in the world, I humbly ask you write about Iran and what’s going on there. Please tell the world that Persian people are fight for freedom ....' [03:04]
trinque "I’m armed and maintaining Condition Yellow." << bwahahahaha [03:07]
asciilifeform 'yellow' is, one might suppose, wet pants ? [03:07]
trinque so much heavy breathing [03:07]
asciilifeform is next condition 'brown' ? [03:07]
trinque hopefully his mother is on call for the code brown with fresh undies. [03:07]
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asciilifeform '09. [03:09]
asciilifeform where did this go, anyway. [03:09]
asciilifeform same place as the hongkong attempt 6 mo. ago, presumably. [03:09]
asciilifeform turned out that usg's cia and dept of s. only had so many bag lunches to pass out to idiots sitting and blocking streets [03:16]
asciilifeform in hk or teheran or kiev, wherever [03:17]
asciilifeform i can almost picture some underground phaktory cranking'em out. [03:17]
asciilifeform for the next go-around. [03:17]
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mircea_popescu i 'yellow' is, one might suppose, wet pants ? << dja know the stephen the great jokes ? [03:53]
punkman [04:02]
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punkman asciilifeform: << I dun get it. fake-stoning could be fun too [04:22]
assbot Dîmenê dawî ji şanoya "Nama Leyla Qasim" - Koma Qamişlo ya serbixwe - YouTube ... ( ) [04:22]
punkman oic now " this is the enactment and remambrance ceremony of the female kurdish student Leyla Qasım who was captured, tortured, tried and executed within 20 days in 1974." [04:23]
mircea_popescu they gotta have something better than one she-kurd 40 years ago [04:27]
mircea_popescu how about 40 kurdettes last year ? [04:27]
punkman myeah [04:30]
punkman [04:30]
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mircea_popescu "Keeping in mind that actual stalking has never been dealt with in any significant way ever, the desire of a few female writers to curb online anonymity wouldn't be enough to get an @ mention, except that this happens to coincide with what the media wants, and now we have the two vectors summing to form a public health crisis. "Cyberbullying is a huge problem!" Yes, but not because it is hurtful, HA! no one cares about [04:33]
mircea_popescu your feelings-- but because criticism makes women want to be more private-- and the privacy of the women is bad. The women have to be online, they do most of the clicking and receive most of the clicks. Anonymous cyberbullying is a barrier to increasing consumption, it's gotta go." [04:33]
mircea_popescu or how giving women money fucks up media for everyone. now they gotta cater to what women want, too, and since what women want is probably somethign stupid and without explosions in it, you get two anodyne fagboys to replace harrison ford, at 1/4 the pay each. [04:34]
punkman I feel like I've read that one two dozen times [04:37]
punkman !s cyberbullying is a barrier [04:37]
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mircea_popescu i confess to being slightly obsessed. [04:39]
mircea_popescu this entire anonimity bs never made any sense to me [04:39]
BingoBoingo "STEM is soooooo last decade. FAG is the new science.Fatminism, Arts and Gender Studies will train a new generation of educated young womyn and allies to compete with the likes of Asia." [04:39]
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shinohai ;;later tell mod6 v99998 tests passed all boxes, tested the < 5.12 perl on all then installed proper. [07:12]
gribble The operation succeeded. [07:12]
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punkman "The book, Crash Override: How To Save The Internet From Itself, is a memoir", "Pascal Pictures won the bidding war for rights to the book, and Scarlett Johannson is circling the project, apparently very keen to play Zoe." [11:52]
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shinohai So how is Scarlett Johannson gonn go from hot to tumblresque ? [12:09]
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mircea_popescu eh gtfo. you knew dumbass was angling for "celebrity" since day one [12:41]
mircea_popescu us "feminism" = wannabe michael moore [12:41]
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mircea_popescu the fat fag sucked. these harpies ? really, 0 interest, what else is on ? [12:42]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you've got mailz [13:02]
asciilifeform << nein [13:10]
assbot Logged on 07-11-2015 06:51:36; mircea_popescu: i 'yellow' is, one might suppose, wet pants ? << dja know the stephen the great jokes ? [13:10]
asciilifeform << when i ran into the linked film, i sorta assumed that something went wrong and at least one of the gallows birds really did hang properly. was very disappointed to learn that this was not so. [13:11]
assbot Logged on 07-11-2015 07:21:15; punkman: asciilifeform: << I dun get it. fake-stoning could be fun too [13:11]
asciilifeform i find the subject of 'theatrical noose' interesting. how does it work? are there multiple schemes? have there been notable historic snafus with this device ? [13:12]
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asciilifeform i'm also at least vaguely aware of at least one case where a prisoner arranged to be hanged on a theatrical stage, as part of a performance [13:13]
asciilifeform (properly hanged, that is) [13:13]
shinohai <<< asking those burning questions others dare not ponder .... [13:14]
assbot Logged on 07-11-2015 16:11:21; asciilifeform: i find the subject of 'theatrical noose' interesting. how does it work? are there multiple schemes? have there been notable historic snafus with this device ? [13:14]
asciilifeform (so many puzzles. e.g., is a 'long drop' hanging typically also filmed with a doctored noose? or a dummy ?) [13:14]
asciilifeform 'Fareweel, ye dungeons dark and strong, / Fareweel, Fareweel tae thee. / MacPherson's time will nae be lang / On yonder gallows tree. / Sae rantin'ly, sae wantonly / Sae dauntin'ly gaed he / He played a sprig and danced a jig / Below the gallows tree.' (tm) (r) [13:17]
punkman [13:18]
assbot Actor playing Judas dies in hanging scene - Chicago Sun-Times | HighBeam Research ... ( ) [13:18]
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asciilifeform 'The character Judas hangs himself in the musical, but the harness protects the actor. Investigators were trying to determine why the man didn't attach it.' << good timez [13:18]
punkman I guess the easy way to do it might be a harness around your armpits [13:20]
asciilifeform how did they go about, i might ask, 'determining why the man did not attach it' ? with a seance ? [13:20]
asciilifeform 'ouija' board ? [13:20]
punkman [13:24]
assbot Actor accidentally hangs himself on stage while re-enacting death of Judas Iscariot in Easter play | Daily Mail Online ... ( ) [13:24]
punkman another judas :P [13:24]
punkman "But the safety vest the actor was wearing under is robe is believed to have risen up across his neck, strangling him. " [13:25]
punkman I guess this happens every other year [13:26]
assbot Actor playing Judas accidentally hangs himself - ... ( ) [13:27]
punkman in other news [13:34]
assbot Force Flops? Chewbacca arrested in Ukraine after campaigning for Darth Vader - YouTube ... ( ) [13:34]
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shinohai <<< thanks for making me waste the afternoonover tea and morbid subjects asciilifeform [14:10]
assbot Teen Haunted House Hanging Accident Was Mistaken for Scary Prop | The Stir ... ( ) [14:10]
asciilifeform << what in the name of beelzebub is a 'crash override' ? [14:36]
assbot Logged on 07-11-2015 14:51:09; punkman: "The book, Crash Override: How To Save The Internet From Itself, is a memoir", "Pascal Pictures won the bidding war for rights to the book, and Scarlett Johannson is circling the project, apparently very keen to play Zoe." [14:36]
asciilifeform is this a reference to the old AUTOVON 'flash override' button ? [14:36]
asciilifeform and how does it relate to what some idiot sow did ? [14:37]
* asciilifeform gives up trying to unravel this mystery, goes back to actual wurk [14:37]
asciilifeform << the button. upper right hand of photo. [14:39]
assbot Autovon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) [14:39]
punkman "Some code has an error? Fuck it." [14:41]
assbot ajalt/fuckitpy · GitHub ... ( ) [14:41]
punkman also known as php [14:41]
asciilifeform punkman: [14:42]
assbot Logged on 16-05-2014 17:52:50; benkay: [14:42]
asciilifeform it is difficult not to be reminded, reading this, of the legends re: icbm cables with differing pin counts being pounded in with a sledge (from ru literature, obviously pertaining to sov rockets, but i'd be surprised if similar legends did not circulate in usa) [14:43]
punkman asciilifeform: was answer to what is crash override, but also just remembers it was a nickname of someone in Hackers movie [14:44]
asciilifeform was, wasn't it. [14:44]
asciilifeform l0l [14:44]
punkman "Crash Override Network is a pro bono support group for victims of large scale online abuse, including revenge porn and doxing." [14:45]
punkman and new Star Wars lead is a girl, and she'll probably get bullied at some point [14:46]
punkman Disney knows how much stupid shit all the fangirls will buy [14:46]
asciilifeform << them cables [14:47]
assbot ... ( ) [14:47]
asciilifeform (from a very spiffy piece, concerning motor factory) [14:47]
assbot Взгляд изнутри на производство ракетных двигателей » ... ( ) [14:47]
punkman "It's just you and your least favorite child. Come to Arbys. Feed him emulsified beef reformed w meat glue. Watch him slowly die. Arbys." [15:04]
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PeterL << The first thing I thought of when I saw this thing was the chairs the people use in the movie "WALL-E" [15:24]
assbot Logged on 04-11-2015 18:49:20; pete_dushenski: << save the 'angel investor' 'prototype' blah blah, this is an intriguing workspace concept. only about a 2016-btc too [15:24]
kakobrekla < women in tech [15:25]
assbot Logged on 07-11-2015 17:45:53; asciilifeform: (from a very spiffy piece, concerning motor factory) [15:25]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i see! [15:32]
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mircea_popescu with a seance ? << they just ask the other people. [15:40]
mircea_popescu and how does it relate to what some idiot sow did ? << because people keep talking about it as if it were important. and so what the hell's the difference. [15:42]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: spiffy commentary on ye olde broadcast ! [16:06]
mircea_popescu :p [16:07]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes ytou ever found that tlp where he says "x derp is just there because the seat existed" ? [16:07]
mircea_popescu now I fucking need it too. [16:07]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: here ya go [16:10]
assbot Logged on 15-10-2015 00:26:51; mircea_popescu: "If Biederman never existed, nothing would be different. You read his resume, you think, wow, he's a big player. You don't realize that if he didn't exist there would be some other person in his exact position, who would also have become a Distinguished Professor, won awards, written 450 publications, etc. The machine was already in place, his slot was going to get filled; his mind [16:10]
mircea_popescu ty! [16:10]
asciilifeform np. [16:10]
mircea_popescu kept googling for biedermeyer [16:10]
* asciilifeform throbs memory biceps [16:11]
mircea_popescu updated a little that real/fake article from yest. [16:12]
mircea_popescu funny how this happens, on perhaps 1% of articles, i actually want to add more stuff in the morning. [16:12]
* asciilifeform also does this. [16:12]
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deedbot- [Trilema] No Such lAbs (S.NSA), October 2015 Statement - [16:18]
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mircea_popescu "There should be no controversy: a guy should never tell a girl he's going to rape her, online or not, kidding or not." umm,... and whence doth that should come from ? what nonsense is this, anyway ? [16:45]
mircea_popescu it's not that there should be no controversy THIS way. There should be, and really there is not, any controversy the other way. ~Some guys~ SHOULD tell a girl they'll rape her. If they don't, how are you to stand out ? And "girls" in the general must be convinced in their bones that either they put out with their choice or get collectively raped by everyone. This part seems to work okay, anyway. [16:45]
mircea_popescu " there should be no instinct at all to defend such a jerk, and yet----- and yet that is precisely the instinct many people get." << check it out, usg wants monopoly on orcdom now. IT can defend the outcasts so they can terrorize the cattle, i'm not "allowed to" because hey, there can be only one and it can't be me, amirite ? [16:46]
mircea_popescu usg gun git raped in the ass. [16:46]
ben_vulpes ... [17:03]
ben_vulpes some girls wanna hear it! [17:03]
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ben_vulpes << /me swoons [17:03]
assbot Logged on 07-11-2015 19:09:55; *: asciilifeform throbs memory biceps [17:03]
ben_vulpes (but you know they're weird and perverted etc) [17:04]
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mircea_popescu and by "Some girls" we mean "the vast majority of human females of reproductive age", but hey, they don't read random derpy us website nobody reads so they don't count [17:11]
mircea_popescu har har tell me more about some film boxxy made. [17:11]
asciilifeform l0l how're things in the entomology corps ! [17:19]
asciilifeform (hey it beats scatology - who am i to talk! i'm writhing in the guts of winblowz kernel presently...) [17:20]
asciilifeform in other 'news', [17:21]
asciilifeform happy holiday! [17:21]
assbot ... ( ) [17:21]
asciilifeform 'Что тебе снится, крейсер «Аврора», В час, когда утро встаёт над Невой?' (tm) (r) [17:22]
asciilifeform << for musicoarchaeologists only. [17:22]
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mod6 so apparently the 'each' keyword is pretty much to be avoided like the plague. [17:45]
mod6 i've re-written the traversals of the map for ante & desc and my new changes passed the automated tests. [17:46]
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mod6 it's only 2 more lines of code really. so it's not a bad solution, and this affords me not to have to require perl 5.12 or greater. [17:46]
mircea_popescu good idea. [17:46]
mod6 i've got one more spot in the code to change out 'each' [17:47]
deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 4.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jan 2016 - [17:47]
mod6 mircea_popescu: yeah, perl v5.005 or whatever has been in use since 98, lot of systems have from that version forward. would be good to support older versions. [17:47]
mod6 and get away from 'each'. [17:48]
mod6 anyway, will update later when I get a chance. thx! [17:48]
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mod6 ok, last place of 'each' removed -- only one more line of code required there. [17:52]
mod6 running automated tests... [17:52]
mod6 ok everything passed. I'm glad I wrote all of those. makes regression testing on core functionality like this so much easier. [17:59]
ben_vulpes TESTS [18:00]
mod6 shinohai: thanks for doing all that testing on V. looks like I might need another round yet before tomorrow. [18:00]
ben_vulpes WRITE MOAR TESTS [18:00]
mod6 I'll try to chat you up later tonight. [18:00]
mod6 ben_vulpes: indeed. [18:00]
ben_vulpes "my only job around here is to scowl loudly at bad commits and demand more tests" - $bzprtnr [18:01]
asciilifeform 'test can prove the presence of bugs, but never their absence' -- vladimir ilich knuthikstra [18:01]
ben_vulpes i think you may have even cited that before [18:05]
asciilifeform in unrelated nyooz, that xv6 thing actually builds without any massage whatsoever, and... runs [18:05]
asciilifeform remarkably slowly, even for an emulated thing [18:05]
asciilifeform no cache. [18:05]
asciilifeform but passes the author's testatron (included) [18:05]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: they have their place. i find it convenient to have tests when rewriting large swaths of a thing either i've written: with the behavior codified, i don't have to manually poke at the thing to ensure that it still behaves the way it did before i tore it apart and put it back together. [18:06]
asciilifeform aha [18:06]
* asciilifeform not a principled opponent of testatrons [18:06]
asciilifeform but it is not a substitute for knowing wtf you're doing [18:06]
asciilifeform see also mircea_popescu's article on 'exam takers' [18:07]
ben_vulpes yes yes [18:07]
asciilifeform for anybody else who is considering an evening of playing with xv6, some notes: [18:08]
asciilifeform 1) you don't have to use the serial console. the thing includes basic text term and kbd handler. [18:08]
asciilifeform 2) if you have 64-bit qemu because you're an old osdev junkie, qemu-system-x86_64 -smp 2 -m 512 -hda xv6.img -hdb fs.img instead of the makefile's runner. [18:09]
asciilifeform 3) mighty slow, because the thing actually prods the disk every time you file [18:09]
mircea_popescu define slow. [18:09]
asciilifeform hundreds of msec to fopen() [18:10]
asciilifeform sorta like msdos on a 8086 [18:10]
mircea_popescu aha [18:10]
asciilifeform i haven't tried to plant the thing on iron, as of yet. nor do i know whether the author has. [18:11]
mircea_popescu so basically like ipad with ios 9? [18:11]
asciilifeform leaving this for other folks here. [18:11]
* asciilifeform does not have this machine, cannot comment [18:11]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes ^^ ? [18:11]
asciilifeform moar like win95 with 8MB of ram [18:12]
asciilifeform but why ruin appetites. [18:12]
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asciilifeform but yes, it is a unix, in about 200kB of src. [18:14]
asciilifeform and it can also 'compile' to... book [18:14]
asciilifeform (contains pagebreak comments) [18:14]
asciilifeform (iirc minix also did) [18:15]
mircea_popescu ha. [18:15]
mircea_popescu 200kb is just about a book [18:15]
asciilifeform the principal difference between this and actual sys6 is that a) written in ansi, rather than k&r c b) ab initio, for x86 b) ab initio for multiple processors, which actually simplifies threading & locking [18:15]
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asciilifeform and apparently there are some bonus gizmos, like a ramdisk device, in there. [18:17]
ben_vulpes how does the ipud figure into this? [18:17]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i think he meant it as an example of slow box ? [18:17]
ben_vulpes more like iphone 4s with ios 9 [18:18]
asciilifeform prolly in the sense of [18:18]
assbot Loper OS » Going Nowhere Really Fast, or How Computers Only Come in Two Speeds. ... ( ) [18:18]
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BingoBoingo So how is Scarlett Johannson gonn go from hot to tumblresque ? << Remember that series of films where she went from a spy to a public figure holding fucking glowsticks on a movie poster? [18:22]
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ben_vulpes "to survive" << i suppose if the thing can be said to survive while asciilifeform starves... [18:30]
assbot No Such lAbs (S.NSA), October 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [18:30]
asciilifeform eh not starving yet. [18:30]
asciilifeform might have to work at a kitten recycling plant tho [18:30]
asciilifeform survivable. [18:30]
ben_vulpes [18:31]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: what, by the way do you mean by "web work"? [18:32]
asciilifeform where [18:32]
ben_vulpes anything touching the request/response cycle? apis etc? [18:32]
asciilifeform roughly, anywhere asm is never a thing. [18:32]
ben_vulpes our conversation the other night. "wot suggests i..." [18:32]
asciilifeform ah [18:32]
asciilifeform oh and that pic is pure win. [18:34]
asciilifeform << source, linked in earlier [18:35]
assbot How to Be a Communist (with Pictures) - wikiHow ... ( ) [18:35]
asciilifeform 'Avoid causing physical or mental harm other people in the course of your revolutionary activities. Becoming an oppressor yourself will not further the communist cause, and will only land you in jail!' << nice try capons [18:35]
asciilifeform this is rather like reading an article 'how to become a nazi' and therein reading that you gotta gas ~yourself~ with zyklon [18:37]
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thestringpuller asciilifeform ain't starvin! [18:56]
thestringpuller he probably shops at whole foods [18:56]
asciilifeform partial foods. [18:57]
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BingoBoingo !b 2 [19:01]
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ben_vulpes so my father managed a gentleman who'd moved from the soviet block many years ago. the man walks into my fathers office one day, asks for some privacy to talk about american things. "in odessa, we put children out to nap. cold air, is good for little lungs! anyways," hands my father a letter, "what is this 'child protective services?" [19:04]
ben_vulpes "oh, they'll take your children away if you don't conform to us norms." [19:04]
ben_vulpes "child was completely wrapped! not a big deal!" [19:04]
ben_vulpes "you don't understand. they. will. take. your. children." [19:04]
asciilifeform wrapped ? [19:05]
ben_vulpes "this is worse than russia! even kgb would not take wife will never go along..." [19:05]
ben_vulpes wrapped up, bundled, swaddled, generally speaking insulated from the cold. [19:05]
asciilifeform ah [19:05]
asciilifeform clearly fella doesn't read ru fishwraps or even blogz [19:05]
ben_vulpes "when it comes to children, the us /is/ worse than russia." [19:05]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: this was a decade or three ago. [19:06]
asciilifeform this kind of usgistic rape has its advocates in ru, and they are - correctly - beaten on the streets or wherever found [19:06]
asciilifeform ah [19:06]
asciilifeform one of the points on which ru is the last bastion of sanity in the white man's world [19:06]
ben_vulpes the west may have been brought under dominion of the feds with marriage laws, but the whole country is dominated by CPS. [19:07]
asciilifeform ... and the divorce-theft courts, etc. [19:07]
asciilifeform don't forget the 'child support'/alimony apparatus [19:07]
ben_vulpes eh, only of the untermenschen. [19:08]
asciilifeform mno [19:08]
ben_vulpes and truly stupid (sort of) monied. [19:08]
asciilifeform i personally knew a fella who wasn't the least bit 'unter' who got rolled up. [19:08]
asciilifeform RIP. [19:09]
ben_vulpes more of a tool of wives and mothers than the state and snitches though, isn't it? [19:09]
asciilifeform didja know that an engineer's spermatozoa cost 5x moar to raise to adulthood than a slum bunny's ? [19:09]
asciilifeform at least according to usg. [19:09]
ben_vulpes "manner to which she has become accustomed" [19:10]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: it's usg that garnishes the wages, and then cuts the cheques (minus a vig) [19:10]
asciilifeform so it is quite unlike a normal civil judgement in usa [19:10]
ben_vulpes if your wages are subject to garnishment you *are* unter. [19:11]
* asciilifeform adjusts arse broomstick [19:11]
* asciilifeform trims jets [19:11]
ben_vulpes yes, shielding assets is hard and not for everyone. [19:11]
asciilifeform as far as i'm concerned, it is something that is done by martians, on mars. [19:11]
asciilifeform phun phakt: it is, in effect, a criminal offense for a host of this particular type of parasite to become indigent [19:13]
asciilifeform pony up, or jail. [19:13]
asciilifeform incidentally, ben_vulpes ought to laugh while he can. my great-grandfather owned... a mill [19:14]
asciilifeform his 'wages' couldn't be garnished, either, or so he thought. [19:14]
asciilifeform ('collectivized', gulaged, drunk invalids took over, burned it down.) [19:16]
asciilifeform since mircea_popescu is asleep, i will have to play him [19:18]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: aha! [19:18]
asciilifeform ... if everybody were a mongol warrior, no one could be dekulakized ! [19:18]
ben_vulpes i am actually pondering approaches to collectivize the thing ahead of the horde. [19:18]
asciilifeform (except that there'd be nothing for these virile fellas to plunder. they'd be stuck fucking own cows) [19:18]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: aha that's precisely that he did [19:18]
ben_vulpes who became the new 'owners'? [19:19]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: hired invalids from the war to run the mill, to 'collectivize ahead of the herd' [19:19]
asciilifeform they drunkenly burned it, and he answered for it. [19:19]
asciilifeform (or so goes the tale) [19:19]
ben_vulpes why'd he have to hire invalids? [19:20]
asciilifeform didn't ~have~ to [19:21]
asciilifeform but thought it would stave off the inevitable transfer to the 'deserving' [19:21]
asciilifeform complicated. [19:21]
asciilifeform but end result - same. [19:21]
asciilifeform [19:21]
assbot Logged on 15-10-2015 15:54:26; mircea_popescu: tru to life too. "he tried to make the trains wear out the rail!" [19:21]
ben_vulpes sounds a lot like "don't work with people outside of your wot" to me. [19:23]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: gotta understand, you can't appease mice, rats, lice. [19:23]
asciilifeform they want it all. [19:24]
asciilifeform ~especially~ whatever it is you haven't given up yet. [19:24]
asciilifeform not aiming to drive ben_vulpes to the bottle, so i'll not elaborate examples. but i think it is clear. [19:26]
BingoBoingo Moral of the story: At the point ben_vulpes feels compelled to hire louts to satisfy the empire of fee-fees he should burn the shop and move to Aztlan [19:35]
* ben_vulpes tempted to drink already. [19:36]
BingoBoingo From the derp mines [19:37]
assbot ... ( ) [19:37]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: at the risk of strengthening ben_vulpes's drink, must point out, that the disease is not likely to take this particular form [19:37]
asciilifeform usg's present direction is the one where the shop keeper is made to answer for various usgistic misfortunes suffered by his staff (e.g., 'obamacare') [19:38]
BingoBoingo Aha [19:38]
BingoBoingo So what you are saying is ben_vulpes is hitting the scotch tonight [19:41]
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asciilifeform i'd recommend the bong, to better 's-a-incadrat-in-colectiv' [19:42]
BingoBoingo As answering these misfortunes might soon lower his future booze to "Country Club" vodka and Thunderbird [19:42]
asciilifeform (from mircea_popescu's ) [19:42]
assbot Cum s-a incadrat in colectiv ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [19:42]
asciilifeform вписатся в коллектив to those of us in east orcland [19:43]
asciilifeform in other lulz, [19:45]
asciilifeform [19:45]
assbot Edward Snowden interview with Dagens Nyheter - DN Fokus ... ( ) [19:45]
BingoBoingo I dunno that bong can quite relieve existential dread in the same way drink does [19:46]
asciilifeform 'In 2007, FBI agents carried out so-called morning raids at the homes of people who worked or had worked at the NSA, and had tried to blow the whistle on a mass surveillance program they felt had gotten out of control. One man was dragged out of the shower in his home, a gun to his head, in front of his family. Another man opened his door and soon had the house full of black-clad agents in Kevlar vests searching his home until [19:50]
asciilifeform late at night. The home of Thomas Drake, a senior executive at the NSA, was searched, his passport was cancelled and he lived under the threat of 35 years imprisonment for four years, prosecuted under the Espionage Act. He lost his job, his pension and spent everything he owned on his defense lawyer. Today he works at an Apple store in Maryland and has been able to establish that the only person, who was investigated and pros [19:50]
asciilifeform ecuted, after trying to talk to his superiors about the mass surveillance, was himself.' [19:50]
asciilifeform ^ lulzy and, iirc, factual. [19:50]
BingoBoingo interesting [19:53]
ben_vulpes bong amplifies existential dread [19:54]
asciilifeform 'A woman at the Intelligence Committee of the House of Representatives had her house raided by the FBI at six o’clock in the morning, because she’d asked questions about the program.' [19:55]
asciilifeform this is part of why it is difficult to take mr s seriously as anything other than a disinfo plant [19:57]
asciilifeform an actual man would be optimizing for greatest number of blackshirts dead asap, rather than censoring papers prior to release [19:58]
asciilifeform and wouldn't remain a u.s. subject [19:58]
asciilifeform (or what, they won't process his renunciation in moscow ?) [19:59]
asciilifeform not even a very good fake [19:59]
asciilifeform (a good fake would fake a renunciation so we wouldn't be asking this question) [19:59]
asciilifeform phakt: a ru citizen is not extraditable, his removal would be an act of war. [20:00]
asciilifeform actual sovereign coutriez, they sorta exist ! [20:00]
BingoBoingo Well, to renounce he'd have to go to the embassy or consulate where he'd be subject to arrest [20:03]
asciilifeform can't renounce by mail ? [20:04]
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asciilifeform and technically you can rid yourself of u.s. citizenship in a few other ways [20:05]
asciilifeform (join a foreign army, take office, etc) [20:05]
asciilifeform blackshirts will still take shots at him given half a chance, but renouncing would be a gesture in line with the overall theme of the play [20:06]
asciilifeform the absence is conspicuous. [20:06]
asciilifeform fact is, mr s (or, if you prefer, the character he is playing) has emphatically ~not~ 'set the bozo bit' on usg. [20:06]
BingoBoingo can't renounce by mail, and the other ways still require US Dept State to recognize the invalidating act and bill Mr. S [20:07]
asciilifeform believes in 'socialism with a human face' or whatever it is called here and now. [20:07]
BingoBoingo [20:08]
assbot US Increases Fee to Relinquish Citizenship and Residency | Qntra ... ( ) [20:08]
BingoBoingo So yes, US requires "certifying" you did a citizenship disqualifying act [20:08]
asciilifeform it isn't as if the hit squad gives a damn whether 'citizen' or not [20:08]
asciilifeform but the ~symbol~. [20:09]
asciilifeform what are we to make of the derping re: 'returning to usa for fair trial' ? [20:10]
BingoBoingo Of course, but getting the symbol means delivering self to the hit squad [20:10]
asciilifeform no [20:10]
asciilifeform symbol would be, e.g., putting on a ru uniform and joining army [20:10]
asciilifeform and on microphone to say 'i hope i get to be the one to glass ft meade' [20:11]
BingoBoingo Ah [20:11]
asciilifeform and very much ~not~, e.g., screwing around with 'aclu' and whatever else was described in that rag. [20:12]
BingoBoingo Like Assange's refusal to enter shipping container as "diplomatic package" [20:14]
asciilifeform eh, how do you know where the container's going. [20:14]
asciilifeform enter, come out legs first. [20:14]
BingoBoingo Well, he'd have to hope for ecuador [20:15]
mircea_popescu lol increased yet again ? [20:15]
mircea_popescu incidentally : should we deedbot a version of the logs, in the manner of gpg source etc ? [20:16]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: cia prolly pre-dug a hole in ec for him [20:16]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: (or hero's welcome, as you please) [20:16]
BingoBoingo What other hero's welcome is there? [20:16]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the kind where the mask comes off [20:17]
BingoBoingo Oh apparently torrent infrastructure Hearnia'd brb, writing up [20:18]
mircea_popescu << wait, isn't this a 100% solution to problems ? there is no rule you must address disk as "disk", it can just be ram. [20:18]
assbot Logged on 07-11-2015 21:16:04; asciilifeform: and apparently there are some bonus gizmos, like a ramdisk device, in there. [20:18]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: box has actual disk for a reason ? [20:19]
mircea_popescu fuck that. this works with ram only. [20:19]
asciilifeform a la my buildroot ? [20:19]
mircea_popescu yes. [20:19]
mircea_popescu exctly a la your buildroot. [20:19]
jurov bash flushed [20:19]
mircea_popescu << you don't understand how the revolution work. [20:21]
mircea_popescu s. [20:21]
assbot Logged on 07-11-2015 21:28:31; ben_vulpes: "to survive" << i suppose if the thing can be said to survive while asciilifeform starves... [20:21]
asciilifeform the way it works is, [20:22]
asciilifeform 'Не надо мне пощады,не надо мне награды, / а дайте мне винтовку и дайте мне коня... / А если я погибну,пусть красные отряды, / пусть красные отряды отплатят за меня.' (tm) (r) (mega-classic) [20:23]
mircea_popescu << i lolled. [20:24]
assbot Logged on 07-11-2015 21:34:16; asciilifeform: 'Avoid causing physical or mental harm other people in the course of your revolutionary activities. Becoming an oppressor yourself will not further the communist cause, and will only land you in jail!' << nice try capons [20:24]
mircea_popescu who are these schmucks ? [20:25]
asciilifeform wikipedos [20:25]
asciilifeform or whoever. [20:25]
mircea_popescu they're like.... annoying 50s housefrau. "do whatever you will but don't go naked!111" [20:28]
mircea_popescu yeah right. aren't you due at some perm salon or something ? [20:28]
asciilifeform approx., [20:36]
asciilifeform 'no need have i of mercy, / no need have i of laurels, / but let me have a rifle, / and let me have a horse, / and if i chance to perish, / let my red platoonmates, / let my red platoonmates,/ make'em pay, of course.' [20:36]
mircea_popescu aha. [20:36]
asciilifeform s/pay'em back/make'em pay [20:38]
asciilifeform or rather the reverse [20:39]
mircea_popescu << or anywhere else. [20:40]
assbot Logged on 07-11-2015 22:04:24; ben_vulpes: "when it comes to children, the us /is/ worse than russia." [20:40]
mircea_popescu in general, if you aim to raise children it's a bad idea to pick the nation of idiots. [20:40]
ben_vulpes oh, now we like to compete in crowded markets? [20:42]
mircea_popescu no ? [20:43]
mircea_popescu children don't compete. that's the thing with childhood, [20:43]
mircea_popescu and why communism is the ideology of the retarded. [20:43]
mircea_popescu << the obvious solution is obvious. [20:46]
assbot Logged on 07-11-2015 22:08:46; ben_vulpes: "manner to which she has become accustomed" [20:46]
asciilifeform let's have the coordinates of the shangri-la without idiots [20:46]
mircea_popescu no, that's not it. "you want kids, you live with the niggers. that's where the kids factory is. i commute to mine, you commute to yours." [20:47]
mircea_popescu that way the manner she's accustomed will be correctly calibrated. [20:47]
mircea_popescu it's unhealthy to raise kids in YOUR means anyway. especially daughters, but in general. [20:47]
mircea_popescu let them earn their own. [20:47]
asciilifeform imperial ru army [20:48]
asciilifeform (but they didn't do daughters) [20:48]
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mircea_popescu it's the manner in the civilised world (aka "eastern europe" in some sources). i suppose i should fish for this. [20:48]
mircea_popescu [20:49]
assbot Old texts on traditional marriage ; vampirism and gayety. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [20:49]
mircea_popescu kyra kyralina does hold some valuable etnofolkloric information. [20:49]
mircea_popescu "Let me tell you a little of "traditional marriage". The traditional marriage of the Greekxiii works like so : the married woman, and her children, keep house in the castle. The married man, with his apprentices, keeps a workshop somewhere in the workshop quarters, outside the walls. He has an older woman there who cooks, because the apprentices are entitled to be fed by the master. The man visits the woman occasionall [20:50]
mircea_popescu y, to beat her, to fuck her, to talk to her. Depending on how close they are, and marriages go through phases anyway. Some husbands may sleep with the woman, some may sleep at the workshop, some may alternate. And marriages go through phases anyway. The woman may not visit her husband. The kids do not generally get to, except boys of sufficient age, if the father even likes them at all. Which isn't that much of a given [20:50]
mircea_popescu . Girls in no case do." of interest here. [20:50]
asciilifeform hey my colleagues almost run this way [20:50]
mircea_popescu this is how the world works, africans and their huts notwithstanding. [20:50]
asciilifeform i don't think anybody cancelled this. [20:50]
mircea_popescu how the fuck else. [20:50]
asciilifeform (minus the old woman) [20:51]
mircea_popescu from the chuka to the somali pirates, everyone. [20:51]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: btw it explains the unpopularity of 'telecommute' scheme in usa [20:55]
mircea_popescu aha. [20:55]
asciilifeform nobody pays working schmucks enough to keep two huts [20:55]
asciilifeform and they'd have to [20:55]
mircea_popescu as tlp wel lpoints out, it's not that "work" invades the home. is that you need the blinker for existential support. [20:55]
mircea_popescu or as george points out, "you take tv out of this relationship, it is just murder" [20:55]
mircea_popescu but hey, "mancave", right ? [20:56]
asciilifeform or don't marry faceless broad [20:56]
mircea_popescu why the fuck isn't it "cuntpit" i wanna know. [20:56]
asciilifeform they don't build pits, only colonize ? [20:56]
asciilifeform like cuckoo ? [20:56]
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mircea_popescu eh no they don't. [20:59]
asciilifeform anyway the whole pit/cave system never quite made sense to me [21:01]
asciilifeform woman is right here in the 'cave' with me. like tank crew, silently doing the right thing. [21:02]
asciilifeform << why would you expect a forest fire to spare one particular tree ? [21:03]
assbot Logged on 07-11-2015 23:47:00; deedbot-: [Qntra] Torrent Infrastructure Hindered as Demonii/YIFY/YTS Fall - [21:03]
asciilifeform 'Update: The domain was just signed over to the MPAA.' [21:05]
asciilifeform << from same rag [21:06]
assbot MPAA Can Access Popcorn Time Services & VPN, Court Rules - TorrentFreak ... ( ) [21:06]
asciilifeform 'An interim injunction handed down by a judge in Canada has granted forensic experts under MPAA supervision access to hosting accounts and domains operated by Popcorn Time, including, its official VPN service. Nevertheless, remains defiant, insisting that its service exists outside Canada and has not been compromised.' [21:06]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform does she have children ? [21:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144600 @ 0.00054691 = 79.0832 BTC [+] {4} [21:12]
mircea_popescu << hey, i had one of those, too! [21:14]
assbot Logged on 07-11-2015 22:12:59; asciilifeform: incidentally, ben_vulpes ought to laugh while he can. my great-grandfather owned... a mill [21:14]
mircea_popescu << aha. lulziest thing in the world. [21:14]
assbot Logged on 07-11-2015 22:11:34; asciilifeform: phun phakt: it is, in effect, a criminal offense for a host of this particular type of parasite to become indigent [21:14]
mircea_popescu considering the jailing costs more than the alimony. [21:15]
asciilifeform << we vote 'no', recall [21:15]
assbot Logged on 08-11-2015 00:10:55; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform does she have children ? [21:15]
mircea_popescu so in what sense is this woman a woman ? [21:15]
mircea_popescu not in the sense herein contemplated. [21:16]
mircea_popescu << as asciilifeform's example illustrates, this is a funnel not a game. at the point X becomes reasonable, X also becomes untenable. this is how this works. [21:19]
assbot Logged on 07-11-2015 22:33:40; BingoBoingo: Moral of the story: At the point ben_vulpes feels compelled to hire louts to satisfy the empire of fee-fees he should burn the shop and move to Aztlan [21:19]
mircea_popescu which is why the right time to leave is that time when leaving IS NOT YET REASONABLE. [21:20]
mircea_popescu which is why you're all stuck there, and will burn like rats. [21:20]
BingoBoingo ... << why would you expect a forest fire to spare one particular tree ? << No particular reason, just entering the loss of a few into the record [21:21]
mircea_popescu << factual indeed. [21:22]
assbot Logged on 07-11-2015 22:48:30; asciilifeform: late at night. The home of Thomas Drake, a senior executive at the NSA, was searched, his passport was cancelled and he lived under the threat of 35 years imprisonment for four years, prosecuted under the Espionage Act. He lost his job, his pension and spent everything he owned on his defense lawyer. Today he works at an Apple store in Maryland and has been able to establish that the [21:22]
mircea_popescu but the cattle still wants to "i have no choices" and "what could i do" and so forth. [21:22]
mircea_popescu << no, you do not want them dead. [21:24]
assbot Logged on 07-11-2015 22:56:29; asciilifeform: an actual man would be optimizing for greatest number of blackshirts dead asap, rather than censoring papers prior to release [21:24]
mircea_popescu greatest number of blackshirts forced to act in animal / gay porn. [21:24]
mircea_popescu for YEARS. [21:24]
mircea_popescu << the common disease of the diseased is the disease. [21:26]
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assbot Logged on 07-11-2015 23:05:41; asciilifeform: believes in 'socialism with a human face' or whatever it is called here and now. [21:26]
mircea_popescu heck, most soviet kids believed in "better soviet" [21:26]
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mircea_popescu ;;ticker [21:28]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 385.8, Best ask: 386.38, Bid-ask spread: 0.58000, Last trade: 385.81, 24 hour volume: 34655.48879914, 24 hour low: 371.32, 24 hour high: 392.23, 24 hour vwap: None [21:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103900 @ 0.000543 = 56.4177 BTC [-] {4} [21:31]
trinque mircea_popescu │ incidentally : should we deedbot a version of the logs, in the manner of gpg source etc ? << certainly. does assbot perhaps dump what it has seen somewhere, kakobrekla? my logs would only go back so far. [21:35]
kakobrekla currently i make log dumps on request [21:36]
trinque also occurs to me that log dumps could be managed in V with those in L1 adding their seal if they find no significant difference with their own logs [21:37]
BingoBoingo Retard Strong: [21:40]
assbot ... ( ) [21:40]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla plox to have a dump, ima vdiff it with my local logs, pack it and hash/sign [21:45]
mircea_popescu trinque prolly where it's going to end up eventually. not sure atm if the extra iron doors needed [21:46]
kakobrekla one fat txt file ? [21:47]
mircea_popescu works./ [21:51]
BingoBoingo [21:51]
assbot AMD faces suit over alleged misrepresentation of new CPU | Legal News Line ... ( ) [21:51]
mircea_popescu "amd faces abyss over there being no country for independent cpu" [21:52]
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asciilifeform intel hyperthreading lawsuit when. [21:59]
asciilifeform << this will be a reasonably-mechanized thing with gossip [21:59]
assbot Logged on 08-11-2015 00:35:56; trinque: also occurs to me that log dumps could be managed in V with those in L1 adding their seal if they find no significant difference with their own logs [22:00]
asciilifeform ('reasonably mechanized', note, does not mean 'fully automatic') [22:00]
asciilifeform << usually i think 'drown like rat' [22:01]
assbot Logged on 08-11-2015 00:18:36; mircea_popescu: which is why you're all stuck there, and will burn like rats. [22:01]
mircea_popescu rats swim. [22:01]
asciilifeform ah yes. [22:01]
asciilifeform << who wants to watch this porn? wouldn't this be a bit like turning'em into sausages ? [22:03]
assbot Logged on 08-11-2015 00:22:48; mircea_popescu: greatest number of blackshirts forced to act in animal / gay porn. [22:03]
asciilifeform who wants to eat these sausages ? [22:04]
mircea_popescu here's a secret : most porn produced today is not actually made for anyone to watch. [22:04]
mircea_popescu sort-of like books published. [22:04]
asciilifeform and we need moar of this for something? [22:04]
* mircea_popescu has genuinely seen this, "you got a cam, something ? i feel kinda weird going at it without anything" [22:04]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform we don't need it, they do [22:05]
asciilifeform how's this work? picture a public beheading with... a studio audience ?! [22:05]
trinque this guy can even overthink forcing the head of an agency to fuck a pig... [22:06]
trinque some british show did this very thing with the prime minister, had me roaring with laughter [22:06]
asciilifeform imho this could actually be a puzzle - how do you publicly humiliate a vanquished enemy when there is not a public ? [22:07]
asciilifeform as in, an actually sentient one [22:07]
trinque I dunno that it really matters who's watching you fuck the pig, just so long as you're not alone with your date [22:07]
trinque no, I take that back. those that bested you watching is worse than the "public" [22:08]
asciilifeform this might be an advanced matter of mircea_popescutronics that i am grossly unequipped to reason about. [22:08]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the point isn't that "hey, we killed this guy" / "oh, you got lucky / it was an accident / never happened". [22:08]
mircea_popescu the point is "hey, listen to your guy squeal. you gonna do something ? hm ? next week ? next month ? your guy ? isn't this sad ? you gonna do anything ? can't do anything ? you suck this bad ? what will happen when it's your turn ? still nothing ?" [22:09]
mircea_popescu that's why you don't kill the us president so the vp can take over. [22:09]
mircea_popescu you kidnap it and transexual operation. [22:10]
mircea_popescu "this is the us president coming live from amateur night in thailand's top tranny spot!" [22:10]
asciilifeform wake me up when. [22:10]
mircea_popescu who the fuck cares about a guy. certainly not the other guys just like him. [22:11]
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mircea_popescu trinque tlp loved that show. iirc the next episode was the one with the forced bicycling. [22:11]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the when is besides the point, you were inquiring as to the theoretical underpinnings. [22:12]
mircea_popescu violence per se is uneducative, there's all sorts of psychic defences available to the cow. however, once violence is unrecourse-able, it DOES become educative. [22:13]
mircea_popescu trinque generally, the victors have better things to do. the defeated is only important in his own system, to himself. that's how he got fucked in the first place, after all. [22:14]
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mircea_popescu anyway, the entire point of the "justice system" ie, imposition of a certain ideology over willing or unwilling objects, is not "you will get hurt" but "there is NOTHING you can do". [22:24]
mircea_popescu also why it's never a stable solution, keps needing more and more. gotta have aml , because otherwise there IS something they can do and the whole charade collapses. [22:25]
mircea_popescu kinda why the one thing the burgeois can't stand is being laughed at, to connect that old point. [22:30]
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mircea_popescu and from tlp : [22:39]
mircea_popescu Of course the easy critique to make, and even this one Hess was not allowed to formulate, is that in this way The Economist conveys the impression that it has personal access to the levers of power, the way Us Weekly recasts publicists as "sources close to Kim Kardashian", shrinking the gap between the magazine and the sources and artificially widening the distance between Kardashian and us. She becomes more important [22:39]
mircea_popescu and less accessible-- except through Us Weekly. [22:39]
mircea_popescu But this critique is backwards, it assumes the magazine is trying to trick its audience, this is wrong, the audience is using the magazine to trick itself. The audience wants this distance. It wants heroes, celebrities, people with power-- it wants an upper class-- and it wants them inaccessible. Envy? No, that's advertising, this is the "news." This is what happens when a whole generation's narcissism is threatened wi [22:39]
mircea_popescu th injury-- since everything is possible, why aren't you enjoying everything?-- the personality structure becomes overwhelmingly defensive. "If I were Kim Kardashian, then I would be able to do X!" is NOT envy, flip it over and read the redacted obverse: "Only Kim Kardsahians can do X -- therefore it's not my fault that I can't!" [22:39]
mircea_popescu ha-HA! [22:39]
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