Forum logs for 07 May 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu keys are batch-converting on dulap. after they're done, will be pumped in locally. [00:01]
gribble The operation succeeded. [00:01]
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asciilifeform meanwhile... [00:12]
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asciilifeform achtung, panzers! [00:12]
asciilifeform [BTC-dev] Full Orphanage Thermonuke Massif Output (without 'pages as heap' flag) [00:12]
scoopbot_revived Phuctor Begins Processing SKS Keyserver Dump [00:13]
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mircea_popescu ha! nice. [00:14]
ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: No Such lAbs [00:14]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform load average: 0.94 << need like 7 more workers ? [00:14]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Fixd [00:15]
mircea_popescu << really, vlasov mostly helped the czechs. [00:15]
assbot Logged on 06-05-2015 21:06:37; pete_dushenski: who other than vlasov's army helped germans ? and why were they spared ? [00:16]
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mod6 <+asciilifeform> [BTC-dev] Full Orphanage Thermonuke Massif Output (without 'pages as heap' flag) << thanks asciilifeform!! [00:19]
mircea_popescu << is this where they covered the chinese in grad fired missiles ? [00:21]
assbot Logged on 06-05-2015 21:09:31; ascii_field: (damansk) [00:21]
mircea_popescu it's an important point, perhaps where the chinese got the idea that they should center their force around rocketry. [00:21]
mircea_popescu << there's no such thing as "defensive". it simply means 'our weapons', as opposed to the enemy's (those are offensive). [00:22]
assbot Logged on 06-05-2015 21:11:51; jurov: ru ever tried to ship defensive systems to cuba? [00:22]
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mircea_popescu << the only response to independence, from the point of view of self-appointed "master of the universe", is "trying to bleed them out". obviously. [00:24]
assbot Logged on 06-05-2015 21:15:40; jurov: trying to bleed ru out, again [00:24]
mircea_popescu the alternative would be to learn to live with fragmented sovereignity, which would require giving up pretty much everything the west has come to stand on. [00:24]
mircea_popescu such as the idea that their sexual preferences are given by god. [00:24]
ben_vulpes dieharder requires gsl-devel [00:25]
decimation asciilifeform: your massif dump has c++ standard vector bullshit [00:25]
* ben_vulpes dives into entropy quest [00:25]
mircea_popescu << the only lulzy thing here is just how broke cantor fitzgerald is these days. [00:28]
assbot Logged on 06-05-2015 21:42:45; pete_dushenski: 'gtbc' update : cantor fitzgerald has a 100 share buy order for at $25.00. 52wk range: $37.98 - $94.86. heh. [00:28]
mircea_popescu seriously, ten bitcoins ? what did they do, make every woman in the office show me her tits ? [00:28]
mircea_popescu Submissions:6590 ftr. [00:29]
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ben_vulpes error "Please use instead of " [00:33]
ben_vulpes great. [00:33]
mircea_popescu << me chuckles at vice. [00:34]
assbot Logged on 06-05-2015 22:49:48; cazalla: (block size limit rubbish) [00:34]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes getting that shit to compile is god's work. i imagine alf's set is untouched since 1993 and probably the last tiem anyone actually compiled it was back when paris hilton was still a virgin [00:35]
danielpbarron [00:36]
mircea_popescu seriously, how inept do they need to be, these people. "unless everyone X currency will die" is ~exactly~ the wrong thing to say. everyone will not, currency will not die, now suddenly vice has [even more] egg on its face. [00:36]
assbot | BitFinex Appears To Have Crossed Streams, BTC Crash On Hold ... ( ) [00:36]
mircea_popescu it's like... they're so stupid and trying to hard they're just giving me free gains. [00:36]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron bitfinex was at no point in its existence anything but a [very thinly veiled] scam. [00:37]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: did you compile dieharder? [00:37]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes i didn't run it, either. [00:37]
mircea_popescu but by "god's work" i mean, a very good thing to do. [00:37]
danielpbarron i'm more interested in the site reporting it; who is this mike1337? [00:37]
mircea_popescu !s mike1337 [00:38]
decimation wow vice is really at the cutting edge of responsible journalism [00:38]
assbot 0 results for 'mike1337' : [00:38]
mircea_popescu name's actually vaguely familiar, intel must have had him in something or the other. [00:38]
danielpbarron who also calls himself "goat" (same goat as on forum?) [00:38]
mircea_popescu nope [00:38]
asciilifeform asciilifeform load average: 0.94 << need like 7 more workers ? << 1) still converting 2) we're a serial operation, thinkaboutit [00:38]
mircea_popescu ow shit. [00:39]
asciilifeform asciilifeform: your massif dump has c++ standard vector bullshit << sure does [00:39]
asciilifeform uncensored sewage, aha [00:39]
decimation asciilifeform: std_vector is one of those things that c++philes love (it just works!!), but when examined - contains refined turd juice [00:40]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes getting that shit to compile is god's work. i imagine alf's set is untouched since 1993... l0l: [00:40]
asciilifeform stas@humanoid ~ $ ls -l /usr/portage/distfiles/dieharder-3.31.1.tgz [00:40]
asciilifeform -rw-rw-r-- 1 portage portage 1149780 Oct 14 2011 /usr/portage/distfiles/dieharder-3.31.1.tgz [00:40]
decimation for instance, with std_vector, try resizing a vector without initializing the elements [00:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform a, not bad [00:42]
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mircea_popescu hmmm... who used to run <[]bot> ? [01:06]
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gribble []bot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 5 days, 14 hours, 22 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <[]bot> Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on " BTC to top $350 before 1st July" Odds: 32(Y):68(N) by coin, 32(Y):68(N) by weight. Total bet: 15.89313103 BTC. Current weight: 94,793. [01:10]
mircea_popescu williamdunne hey, wanna add bitbet reporting to the scoopbot_revived activity ? [01:11]
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mircea_popescu << gotta appreciate that approach. [01:17]
assbot Logged on 07-05-2015 02:26:56; decimation: van Rossum and the other volunteer developers enjoy.” " [01:17]
mircea_popescu and speaking of which, judging by how using things made by other people is going, i guess bitcoin will be its own language before this dustball settles. [01:17]
mircea_popescu << stuff like pointing RF sources at it, probably most interesting. [01:18]
assbot Logged on 07-05-2015 02:48:00; ben_vulpes: ofc ofc [01:18]
mircea_popescu "'round, red, right, ridge' " has no hits in google. do tell this story ? [01:19]
assbot Logged on 07-05-2015 02:51:45; decimation: my grandpa taught me 'round, red, right, ridge' - the 'hot' poem [01:19]
decimation I donno, he just told me that's what I should remember for the hot, power, + side [01:21]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron : found your guy. etc [01:21]
assbot Mike the Crypto Goat | Exploring Internet security, crypto and civil liberties. ... ( ) [01:21]
assbot S.NSA - Cardano pricing, other statements on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [01:21]
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decimation < great news, aerial fertilizer rates are up! [01:27]
assbot Greenhouse gas benchmark reached [01:27]
mircea_popescu im not gonna read that. tldr ? [01:28]
decimation co2 reached 400 ppm on the top of the hawaii volcano [01:31]
mircea_popescu aok [01:31]
decimation apparently the new approach to sound science is to pr datapoints as they happen [01:31]
decimation I misremembered my grandfather's saying: [01:32]
assbot Tip and ring - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) [01:32]
decimation "ring-right-red-ridge" [01:32]
decimation he was a telephoneman [01:32]
decimation < assuming 5 character words plus space, that would be 255 wpm [01:34]
assbot Logged on 30-04-2015 03:49:15; mircea_popescu: "I have typed an average of 21.3 keystrokes per second" eh gtfo. [01:34]
mircea_popescu ikr. [01:34]
decimation actually very good stenographers can achieve that [01:34]
decimation but they are 'typing shorthad' [01:34]
mircea_popescu keystrokes. he said keystrokes. [01:34]
decimation shorthand [01:34]
decimation yeah exactly [01:34]
decimation not possible [01:35]
mircea_popescu yeah, im aware really good scientists can listen to a two hour lab report, write down three lines and then reproduce it exactly. [01:35]
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mircea_popescu so what, 5400 wpm [01:35]
BingoBoingo Also while rotating [01:35]
decimation even the Victorians only had reaction times of around 100 ms [01:36]
decimation I submit a human doing anything that involves any degree of thought at a rate of greater than 10 per second is neigh impossible [01:37]
mircea_popescu depends how structurable it is , see ? [01:37]
decimation maybe he was only typing the letter 'a' [01:37]
decimation or asdfjkl; [01:37]
mircea_popescu if the discussion revolves around a tree five levels deep, with on average five leaves per branch, this is readily 3k items being discussed. [01:37]
mircea_popescu a simple serial iteration of "x as expected y as expected" can be followed and remembered momentarily. [01:38]
mircea_popescu a lot of science works exactly like this. [01:38]
decimation yes, but I thought that you couldn't model language in this way [01:38]
mircea_popescu incidentally, the massive savings of mental energy this relative approach offers is why we even have scientific paradigms in the first place [01:39]
mircea_popescu their absence, on the other hand, is why gentoo sucks. [01:39]
mircea_popescu that list of defaults is what makes or breaks any intellectual endeavour. [01:39]
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mircea_popescu decimation scientific language specifically. [01:39]
mircea_popescu it deliberately and constructively is NOT natural language. [01:39]
decimation because to go over the list of all assumptions made before saying anything would prevent anyone from doing anything [01:40]
mircea_popescu right. [01:40]
mircea_popescu << here's me lambasting romanioan "linguists" (they don't actually exist, just a buncha pretenders filling a void). sadly in romanian [01:40]
assbot Hai sa studiem gramatica impreuna on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [01:40]
mircea_popescu the important bit for this convo being "nimeni nu are timp sa citeasca textele de specialitate cu ochi, uimiri si viteza de incepator, cu atentie si migala si "oare ce-a vrut sa spuna autorul" la fiecare cuvant. Nu-i fictiune, nu-i roman, e text stiintific, si se citesc cate zece mii de pagini pe an minim. Pentru a sustine eficienta muncii in stiinta se folosesc anumite cuvinte si structuri fixe ale caror sensuri se de [01:41]
mircea_popescu zbat amplu, se fixeaza definitiv, si apoi toti participantii la discutie le folosesc exact. Folosiri creative creeaza confuzie, si sunt de fapt principala bariera intre profesionisti si amatori in orice domeniu. Atunci esti admis ca profesionist in orice disciplina cind lumea considera ca ti se poate oferi increderea ca nu vei folosi niciodata, nicicand, niciunde, nici un termen de arta in sens impropriu. De asta se fa [01:41]
mircea_popescu c patru ani de scoala la drept si opt ani de scoala la medicina, creativitatea prost aplicata poate costa vieti, darima poduri, nenoroci destine. E INTERZISA." [01:41]
mircea_popescu nobody has time to read specialty text with beginner's eyes, wonderments and speed, with care and dedication and "i wonder what the author meant" every word. it's not fiction, it's not a novel, its science, you read ten thousand pages a year minimum. [01:41]
mircea_popescu to support work efficiency in science there are employed certain words and fixed structures, whose meanings are amply debated, definitivwely fixated and then every participant uses them exactly. creative usage creates confusion, and are in fact the main barrier between the pro and the amateur in any field. [01:42]
mircea_popescu at that point you are admitted as aprofessional in any discipline, when people consider that you may be trusted to never, ever, anywhere, use a term of art improperly. this is why they do four years' law and eight years' medical school, creativity malaplied can cost lives, topple bridges, destroy destinies. IT IS FORBIDDEN. [01:43]
decimation yes, which is why any profession worth a shit has a comprehensive specialty dictionary for exactly this reason [01:45]
mircea_popescu << reading through this list was an adventure. first (caffeine bit, autogenerated code subnode) i suspected the guy was simply reiserfs insane. by the time i got to zynga... [01:46]
assbot Things I'm working on | Sealed Abstract ... ( ) [01:46]
mircea_popescu srsly, "not evil but good" "not reddit as much" ? incredible how stupid forms fucking stupid crystals. [01:46]
mircea_popescu decimation yep. [01:46]
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decimation yeah with nutzos like that in their corner, python 3 is going to the moon! [01:47]
mircea_popescu the point stil lremains tho. "stop trying to build your company out of our fucking hobby. hire some engineers, fucking cheapskates." [01:48]
mircea_popescu harlan's monologue comes to mind. [01:48]
mircea_popescu "“They want everything for nothing. They wouldn’t go for five seconds without being paid. And they’ll bitch about how much they’re paid, and want more. I should do a freebie for Warner Brothers? What, is Warner Brothers out with an eye patch and a tin cup on the street? Fuck, no." [01:49]
mircea_popescu further in defense of the nuts : "Nick Coghlan’s document should really be a required citation for any article advancing a new course for Python, because nobody is going to take you seriously if you don’t address" << this is very sensible. [01:51]
mircea_popescu "you want to talk about X, you fail to cite and address Y, you are thereby a kook, go away" [01:51]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform [01:58]
assbot BitBet - Phuctor will find a bad key :: 0 B (50%) on Yes, 0 B (50%) on No | closing in 1 week 1 day| weight: 99`996 (100`000 to 1) ... ( ) [01:58]
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ben_vulpes asciilifeform, mircea_popescu and others interested in entropic information: what stats about generated entropy are useful? if i need to shoop my entropy over to gentoo i can, but if that's not necessary (for dieharder tests) i'd like to avoid it [02:08]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes you read the report i published on this ? [02:08]
ben_vulpes i have two s.nsa reports up on my screen right now [02:09]
mircea_popescu << that one [02:09]
assbot Cardano : Xmas blown, other statements on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [02:09]
ben_vulpes "Xmas blown..." and "Unsorted collection" [02:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66750 @ 0.00022633 = 15.1075 BTC [-] {2} [02:09]
mircea_popescu a decent approach is to compare your dataset to other datasets, especially ones obtained through different means [02:10]
mircea_popescu ( does atmospheric noise, fermilab does decay, etc) [02:10]
decimation fourmilab [02:11]
ben_vulpes "we had the file ent'd every 100kb" << which is to say you split the file on 100kb line and ent'd each? [02:11]
decimation < "Why wasn’t I consulted? Technically, even the core developers weren’t consulted: Python 3 happened because the creator of the language, Guido van Rossum, wanted it to happen, and Google paid for him to devote half of his working hours to leading the development effort." [02:11]
assbot Python 3 Q & A — Nick Coghlan's Python Notes 1.0 documentation ... ( ) [02:11]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes yes [02:11]
mircea_popescu decimation right you are. [02:11]
mircea_popescu decimation hey, guy owns it. [02:12]
decimation note that this is the opposite of the earlier defense (it's his hobby) [02:13]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes another aproach, but entirely for someone looking to sink a lifetime into this, is examining the failures (iirc there were a couple in there). see if any way to leverage this [02:13]
decimation His boss told him he had to, you see. Everything will be better if you accept unicode into your heart [02:13]
mircea_popescu decimation they lack the proper words to express themselves. what they mean is that it his private, sovereign domain, and he does whatever the fuck he likes, and anyone who doesn't care for it can go dangle. [02:14]
decimation sure, but at the pain of making himself look like a retard when he goes off and does something retarded in the name of his domain [02:14]
mircea_popescu exactly at that pain. [02:14]
mircea_popescu "With the long transition to “Python 3 by default” still in progress, the question is occasionally raised as to whether or not the core Python developers are acting as reasonable stewards of the Python language. " [02:16]
decimation I'll hand it to him, the guy is verbose [02:17]
mircea_popescu this is a non-issue. there's no homesteading in software. some derps using X language don't acquire some sort of "rights", just like gavin, that "bitcoin chamber of commerce" pageant chick or max keiser did not acquire any sort of property over bitcoin by derping on the margins of it with abandon. [02:17]
mircea_popescu moreover, i don't get the following sort of nonsense : "One solution is to fork Python 2.7, and continue developing the language, adding features in a backwards compatible way so large, unportable (due to financial constraints) Python 2 applications can continue to evolve and improve and bring value to the people and companies that invested so much time developing them. " [02:19]
decimation ah but the implicit threat: "What would it take to make you change your minds about the current plan? An important thing to understand for anyone hoping to convince the core development team to change direction in regards to Python 3 development and promotion is to know that mere words aren’t enough, it’s going to take action. That action is defined in PEP 404: creating a Python 2.8 release (under a different name, however, since [02:19]
decimation Python refers specifically to the language versions endorsed by the core development team) and convincing people to use it." [02:19]
decimation You can't use the word Python! We have rights! [02:19]
mircea_popescu this reads very brokenly to my eye, for many reasons, such as : a) people who can't afford things get no voice. this is what "financial reasons" means : shut the fuck up and go home. if you are poor, you aren't a person. [02:19]
mircea_popescu b) why exactly is the expected "developing" ? afaik, a language should be set in stone. if this is the view entertained, what "evolution" the fuck do they wish ? if this isn't the view contemplated, why are they not on 3 yet! [02:20]
mircea_popescu c) if people and companies invested time in shit that doesn't offer them a roi, this means they are stupid and should be punished. in no case does it mean they should get some compensatory candy. [02:20]
mircea_popescu etc. [02:21]
decimation yes, the whole document reads as a retroactive justification for guido's missteps. "no no, you see it was a clever strategy to release python 3 in a way that made it seem that it sucked ass." [02:21]
mircea_popescu decimation the quote was from some "python is killing python" post. [02:21]
decimation maybe this stuff should be added to the various grounds for a google fiduciary lawsuit [02:22]
mircea_popescu anyway, i don't get it. if the language was good, who cares about a fork ? it can be ignored like gavincoin, or burned to the ground at that. if the language sucked, then well... ? [02:22]
mircea_popescu decimation if they don't have the balls to step all over the "pep" and "rights" of the "core team" and do whatever they will, they probably don't have the strength to matter anyway. [02:23]
decimation yeah this is a good point. and it gives more ammunition to the idea that if one is using python, one should consider stepping away [02:24]
mircea_popescu i dunno that it makes any difference, really. if one is using python (or anything else) correctly, they pick something, and stick with it. [02:24]
mircea_popescu for instance : ubuntu sucks ass, especially the new versions, and the early ones. nevertheless, i use 10.04 as an easement / windows halfway house for all sorts of people. [02:25]
mircea_popescu this is unlikely to EVER change. i tried to move it to gentoo but the attempt burned, toppled and sunk into the swamp. [02:25]
mircea_popescu so why do i care what ubuntu does ? i got the 10.04 burned. it's mine. forgetaboutit! [02:26]
decimation it goes back to what asciilifeform was complaining about re: drivers. You are gonna have to buy new hardware at some point, and then you are going to have to rev everything to support it [02:26]
mircea_popescu i kinda doubt i will ever again buy new hardware. [02:26]
mircea_popescu unless they make wetware cpus, stuff's good as is. [02:26]
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mircea_popescu note for instance that the various "emergency problem - update required" stuff is in NEW-ish versions. like, heartbleed ? ubuntu 10.04 was fine. 12.04 ? owned. [02:27]
decimation well, if you can live on a hardware baseline, then you have the luxury of clamping down on software upgrade shit [02:27]
mircea_popescu for that matter, gnupg 1.4.x works just fine, and come to think about it the pogos are being raped with software that's a decade old. [02:28]
decimation note, this is exactly how any 'adult' program works: they were flying 80's era cpus in the space shuttle for the entire program because that was the baseline, and the software worked [02:28]
mircea_popescu yup. i am well aware. [02:28]
decimation same with aircraft, etc. nobody feels the need to 'upgrade' how a 777 works internally. you want new avionics? buy a new plane [02:28]
mircea_popescu quite. [02:29]
mircea_popescu of course by now they prolly do java everything and upgrade weekly. [02:29]
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mircea_popescu which is why they lose planes. [02:29]
decimation heh yeah probably do [02:29]
mircea_popescu "where did it go ?" "oh, to the land of the jellybeans" [02:29]
decimation although boeing is a famous 'ada' shop. but they probably outsource that shit too [02:29]
decimation < "In 2005 and 2006, a former Great Engine company, Boeing, sold 350 of its Dreamliner aircraft straight off the drawing board, with the intention of ‘out-sourcing’ the manufacture of 80 per cent of its structure and components to forty-three suppliers on three continents. We await the [02:30]
decimation outcome with unease. Until then, the company had always made the fuselage and wings for its planes; that is what Boeing was all about." [02:30]
decimation I've got mixed feelings about this book, but it does talk about the decline in american managerial culture [02:31]
mircea_popescu decimation so for my own education (not following python much) is the 2/3 split primarily centered around unicode vs posix ? [02:32]
decimation yeah pretty much [02:32]
mircea_popescu seems like an excellent reason to fork. [02:32]
mircea_popescu make 2.8, zero unicode support. ascii or bust. [02:32]
decimation python 3 supports 'a better text model to support unicode' rather than 'posix with unicode bolted on' [02:32]
decimation apparently there are some folks who want to do exactly that [02:33]
mircea_popescu " It should be at least possible for users to start learning the basics of Python without having to first learn English as a prerequisite (even if English remains a requirement for full participation in the global Python and open source ecosystems)." << this is pretty retarded. [02:33]
mircea_popescu why the fuck would anyone even contemplate this. [02:33]
mircea_popescu you don't speak english, you don't get to use computers. back to the cave. [02:33]
trinque that's the condescending democratic notion of "them" [02:33]
trinque that you have to help [02:34]
trinque guido built a language for "them" [02:34]
mircea_popescu seems bizarre seeing how the earlier stuff was predicated on "we want to make the language WE enjoy using". what, guido doesn't speak english ?! [02:35]
decimation apparently guido's hobby is to convert python into a trojan horse for derpy utopianism [02:37]
decimation you know the next step... anyone who doesn't buy into python 3 is a racsis... [02:39]
mircea_popescu so how do you denote zhe in armenian ? [02:46]
mircea_popescu One key consequence of this is that the interpreter core in Python 3 is far more tolerant of paths that contain Unicode characters on Windows (so, for example, having a non-ASCII character in your username should no longer cause any problems with running Python scripts from your home directory on Windows). [02:50]
mircea_popescu ah ok, this is what it was. [02:50]
mircea_popescu mkay. [02:50]
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chatquack It's Cheryl! [03:17]
mircea_popescu who's cheryl ? [03:17]
chatquack Cheryl, aka Charleen, aka Cristal [03:19]
mircea_popescu still nfi. [03:19]
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chatquack Crazy bitch from Archer, whom I love dearly; [03:19]
assbot Cheryl Tunt - Archer Wiki ... ( ) [03:19]
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chatquack *slow clap* [03:20]
mircea_popescu now the server's dosing me [03:20]
chatquack ya, i was wondering if a ^c was even worth anything half a second after hitting enter [03:21]
chatquack In Soviet VPS, files poke you! [03:22]
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mircea_popescu this is not a vps. [03:27]
chatquack local ethernet? [03:28]
mircea_popescu and no, ^c is not worth anything, because ll is well optimized, spends a minute thinking it through and then blasts you [03:28]
mircea_popescu no, actual server. [03:28]
chatquack right? it's speedy... [03:28]
chatquack oh sitting on the cancer giver? [03:28]
chatquack I have a hard time sleeping without fan noise :\ [03:29]
mircea_popescu sitting what ? [03:29]
chatquack What do you mean by actual server? Sitting next to you or. [03:30]
mircea_popescu no, a box in a dc [03:30]
chatquack neato [03:30]
chatquack but then again remote or local ll is done once it's run [03:31]
chatquack face full'o 1k [03:31]
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chatquack Where the funk is BingoBoingo? I blame him for this useless banter. [03:35]
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mircea_popescu speaking of vice... [03:43]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo for the record, "and found 60 with one or more duplicate moduli." is maybe misleading. it merely found the same key in multiple places, it hasn't actually cracked anything. [03:49]
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mircea_popescu Mem: 24420888k total, 24035956k used, 384932k free, 889012k buffers << what one likes to see. there's something so pleasant about a maxed box. [03:54]
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cazalla one on the left has a much better ass [04:07]
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mircea_popescu they're young. plenty of time yet. [04:21]
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mircea_popescu shit asciilifeform they're not going to be so many that we don't reach 3.15 mn moduli are they! [10:46]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: there's an astonishingly large number of those [11:00]
mircea_popescu which, non rsa ? [11:01]
asciilifeform aha [11:01]
mircea_popescu hey, williamdunne you there ? [11:10]
mircea_popescu << i want everything set in stone. i guess that makes me a true stoner. [11:11]
assbot Logged on 07-05-2015 11:54:24; jurov: lol, some people want languages set in stone? good luck. [11:11]
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asciilifeform in other news, [11:16]
asciilifeform achtung, panzers: [11:16]
asciilifeform [11:16]
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asciilifeform [BTC-dev] Full Orphanage Thermonuke DHAT Output. [11:16]
mircea_popescu "I observed to Wladimir and Gavin in [11:17]
mircea_popescu private that this timeline meant a change to the block size was unlikely to [11:17]
mircea_popescu get into 0.11, leaving only 0.12, which would give everyone only a few [11:17]
mircea_popescu months to upgrade in order to fork the chain by the end of the winter [11:17]
mircea_popescu growth season. That seemed tight." [11:17]
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mircea_popescu so apparently teh idiots actually have a schedule, handler said something like "this must be in by 2016 no matter what". so either they get it in "0.11" or "0.12" or else 0.13 or 15 or 29 will have to happen BEFORE that date. [11:17]
mircea_popescu and if people have to test things in negative three days, fuck people. handler said, gavin & mike do, that's how "standards committees" work in the us. [11:18]
mircea_popescu are these people fucktarded or something ? [11:18]
mircea_popescu yo usg : BLOCK.INCREASE.IS.NOT.HAPPENING.THIS.YEAR [11:18]
mircea_popescu you can take that to the fed. [11:18]
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asciilifeform bbbut the ocean of meat!1111!!111 [11:19]
mircea_popescu > Certainly a consensus in this kind of technical community should be a [11:19]
mircea_popescu > basic requirement for any serious commitment to blocksize increase. [11:19]
mircea_popescu > [11:19]
mircea_popescu I'm afraid I have come to disagree. [11:19]
mircea_popescu who the FUCK asked mike hearn ANYTHING ? [11:19]
asciilifeform gotta accomodate it, because d3m0cr4cy [11:19]
mircea_popescu so he disagrees ? what else does he disagree with, chinese internal policy ? [11:19]
mircea_popescu gravity ? [11:19]
mircea_popescu go fucking disagree on livejournal and check my privilege while at it. [11:19]
asciilifeform chinese internal policy ? << these are the folks who issued indictments in u.s. courts of chinese generals [11:20]
asciilifeform *against [11:20]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: do you have the source for the pull request where hearn tried to merge in heartbleed? [11:20]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform russian random businessmen, at that, too. [11:20]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller i think you misread or misunderstood something. come again ? [11:21]
mircea_popescu > Long-term incentive compatibility requires that there be some fee [11:21]
mircea_popescu > pressure, and that blocks be relatively consistently full or very nearly [11:21]
mircea_popescu > full. [11:21]
mircea_popescu I disagree. When the money supply eventually dwindles I doubt it will be fee pressure that funds mining [11:21]
mircea_popescu right. it's gonna be taxation, in hearn world. [11:21]
mircea_popescu have bitcoin declared a "public service" or right or whatever by congress, get obamabitcoin and all that jazz. make the MIT shitheads, google etc all fat and giggly. [11:22]
asciilifeform [11:22]
asciilifeform !s taxcoin [11:22]
assbot 4 results for 'taxcoin' : [11:22]
asciilifeform etc. [11:22]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: [11:23]
mircea_popescu "Firstly, no, the "Bitcoin ecosystem" is not well funded. Blockstream might [11:23]
mircea_popescu be, but significant numbers of users are running programs developed by tiny [11:23]
mircea_popescu startups, or volunteers who don't have millions in venture capital to play [11:23]
mircea_popescu with." [11:23]
mircea_popescu check out shitboy over here. [11:24]
mircea_popescu "didn't happen in bezzle-land, didn't happen at all. icbc trades on pink sheets. world exists in my asshole" [11:24]
mircea_popescu "What I don't see from you yet is a *specific and credible plan* that fits [11:25]
mircea_popescu within the next 12 months and which allows Bitcoin to keep growing." [11:25]
mircea_popescu i am ever thankful to the idiots that do very idiotic things. like that vice article. like this tipping of hand. [11:25]
asciilifeform 'grow' to mr tumour means, of course, more tumour cells, not longer legs [11:26]
mircea_popescu if there is any certainty about "bitcoin future" at hte present time, it is that there will not be a block size increase in the next 12 months. [11:26]
mircea_popescu heads may roll, yes, metaphorically or factually, yes. this shit is not happening. [11:26]
thestringpuller "Again, why don't all devs that against this blocksize change come together, and ELI5 to the rest of us what are the cons. ELI5 is important if you want the public to understand your points. So for now Gavin has me convinced the change is necessary. Please Please Please...." to which someone replies "Heaven help us if we ever encounter an issue that requires more than a five-year-old's intelligence." [11:27]
asciilifeform achtung, panzers!! anyone else running 0.5.3.x and noticed unusually frequent disconnects ? [11:27]
asciilifeform i suspect that the seed problem is growing palpably dire [11:28]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller except there is absolutely no need to eli5, because 5 yolds can not be involved in bitcoin. [11:28]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform these are endemic, they come and go, it's a lot like stop-go traffic. [11:28]
asciilifeform (we are syncing from... laptops?) [11:28]
mircea_popescu but yes, the problem is growing. [11:28]
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mircea_popescu ahh, watching the phuctor stats is so pleasant. [11:31]
asciilifeform at some point we gotta do stats re: whether folks are -even today- generating dsa-only keys, etc [11:34]
asciilifeform because the paucity of rsa moduli susprised even me [11:35]
mircea_popescu only marginally interesting outside of the strong set. [11:35]
asciilifeform things on the margins could well be some fella with a spamatron, yes. [11:35]
mircea_popescu usg delivering "keys" to its own people etc. [11:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31950 @ 0.00022047 = 7.044 BTC [-] [11:42]
lobbes noob question incoming: so my key is showing a GCD of '1 (Ok, for now!)' ; This means that my key only has 1 prime factor in common with another submitted key? [11:42]
mircea_popescu no [11:42]
mircea_popescu it means it has the factor of 1 in common with other keys. [11:43]
mircea_popescu 1 is a common divisor of all numbers. [11:43]
lobbes ahhhh [11:44]
lobbes okay thank you [11:44]
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mircea_popescu mike_c it'll please you to know that a) we're going to be setting up daily batch processing of new keys, so people failing to find theirs should be rare ; b) making better 404 page, mostly to indicate this fact. [11:50]
mike_c ah, good news. [11:50]
mircea_popescu this, of course, after the current glut is processed, which estimatively should take about a month o.O [11:52]
mircea_popescu there's a shitton of them [11:53]
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nubbins` <+mircea_popescu> 1 is a common divisor of all numbers. <<< hey now [11:57]
lobbes !rate asciilifeform 1,, decrufter @ [11:57]
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lobbes !v assbot:lobbes.rate.asciilifeform.1:4fce25012b85a0c2b08e565f25c55c092857f115d32b97983af9a8eed7ab140a [11:58]
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lobbes !rate ben_vulpes 1 co-chair for The Real Bitcoin [11:59]
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nubbins` at the risk of being a pedant, 1 is a common divisor of the set of integers [11:59]
nubbins` ;p [11:59]
nubbins` which is both infinitely large in size, and infinitely smaller than, say, the set of real numbers [12:00]
lobbes !v assbot:lobbes.rate.ben_vulpes.1:af5c59d6cdf9ef0235558ee95dd0ef3a2ffcc6b965bd39ac6700d10012464f89 [12:00]
assbot Successfully added a rating of 1 for ben_vulpes with note: co-chair for The Real Bitcoin [12:00]
lobbes !rate mod6 1 co-chair for The Real Bitcoin [12:00]
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mod6 <+asciilifeform> [BTC-dev] Full Orphanage Thermonuke DHAT Output. << nice work! thanks :] [12:01]
lobbes !v assbot:lobbes.rate.mod6.1:93a6590ff2a28a73681071c3abd6ce41443e5686ad05500dda678435cd29b835 [12:01]
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lobbes phew done [12:01]
mircea_popescu nubbins` "divisors" are only defined for some numbers. [12:04]
nubbins` ^ aha [12:05]
nubbins` there's no fooling you 8) [12:05]
mircea_popescu lol. kinda hard to beat me up with my own fucking words eh. [12:05]
mircea_popescu sort-of like a guy in a mma fight being beaten to death with his own, broken arms. [12:06]
nubbins` for those who still don't know wtf is going on, brush up on yr number theory [12:06]
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mircea_popescu !up from_vice [12:08]
-assbot- You voiced from_vice for 30 minutes. [12:08]
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nubbins` [12:08]
assbot Imgur ... ( ) [12:08]
nubbins` ^ silkscreened hang tags, 2/1 on 130# cougar [12:09]
nubbins` sup from_vice [12:09]
nubbins` are you from vice? [12:09]
mircea_popescu who the fuck washes things by hand in cold water. what is this, slavegirl concentration camp ?! [12:09]
nubbins` (talk by typing in the box down there ----v) [12:09]
nubbins` mircea_popescu i should show you how i clean screens and equipment here [12:10]
from_vice Ahh [12:10]
nubbins` by hand. in very, very cold water. [12:10]
nubbins` from_vice: there ya go. [12:10]
from_vice Churrs [12:10]
nubbins` guess you're not actually here from vice tho, huh [12:11]
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from_vice Where am I? [12:11]
nubbins` you're on freenode irc [12:11]
lobbes #bitcoin-assets [12:11]
mircea_popescu ahaha this entire convo is the titsd. [12:11]
mircea_popescu im bashing it. [12:11]
from_vice Can I find God here? [12:12]
danielpbarron i pasted the webchat link in the vice article comments because their stupid javascript loads and renders the whole chat room on their article page. LOL [12:12]
nubbins` this is way more boring than when the reuters reporter showed up [12:12]
nubbins` danielpbarron ha [12:12]
nubbins` link? [12:12]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron wait, WHAT ?! [12:12]
danielpbarron from_vice, paste the link at the top of your browser [12:12]
mircea_popescu nubbins` frankly i'm moderately surprised anyone even reads vice at all. readership >= 1 is already above par. [12:13]
nubbins` mircea_popescu it's like news, but related to you by your buddy who plays in a band and drinks too much [12:13]
nubbins` future of journalism [12:13]
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from_vice I linked into here via the vice article link provided in the comments by someone--I feel a bit violated [12:13]
danielpbarron whoops did i just eRape someone? [12:14]
mircea_popescu 1/10 for effort. [12:14]
nubbins` danielpbarron new tab for me. [12:14]
nubbins` [12:14]
assbot Unless Everyone Using Bitcoin Makes This Radical Change, the Currency Will Die | Motherboard ... ( ) [12:14]
danielpbarron weird, it was doing it yesterday [12:14]
from_vice Haha it's like jumping back to 1996 [12:14]
nubbins` guess they realized [12:14]
danielpbarron i had to change my other links to bit (dot) ly things because of it [12:15]
mircea_popescu nubbins` can you imagine the increase in demand for competent web engineers we've caused this year alone ? [12:15]
mircea_popescu fetlife is hiring, vice is hiring, erryone's hiring. we might even make the gdp go up [12:15]
nubbins` greatest divisor product [12:15]
nubbins` now you're just making things up ;) [12:15]
mircea_popescu no, i'm reporting. [12:15]
mircea_popescu for vice. [12:15]
nubbins` there's about a one in three chance that they'd publish an article you wrote for them about bitcoin. [12:16]
from_vice Where are you guys from? [12:16]
mircea_popescu and if i take to the streets of marakesh, there's about one in three chance random street urchin will suck my cock hoping for a hundred. what of it. [12:17]
mircea_popescu from_vice we're from bitcoin [12:17]
nubbins` heh [12:17]
mircea_popescu the most serene republic of ~ [12:17]
nubbins` i'm from the internet [12:17]
nubbins` mircea_popescu in my experience, skin and hash are proffered equally in marrakesh [12:18]
mircea_popescu a right, we haven't fully colonized nubbins` yet. much like canada, he hangs on to antiquated forms that perpetuate the routing and interfacing differences in our society. [12:18]
mircea_popescu if there's ever to be any progress... [12:18]
nubbins` altho generally they start with "hashish?" and follow up with "massage?" [12:18]
from_vice Oh I see, you are from the evil overlord master race, all makes sense now [12:18]
nubbins` from_vice you're not far off the mark there [12:18]
nubbins` bbl doing things [12:18]
mircea_popescu by hand ? in cold water ? [12:19]
from_vice You sure this isn't a 911 truthers' forum? I have some thermite to sell [12:20]
mircea_popescu what's that ? [12:20]
from_vice It's like Vegemite [12:21]
mircea_popescu not thermite, 911 truthers [12:21]
mircea_popescu !s thermite [12:21]
assbot 34 results for 'thermite' : [12:21]
* danielpbarron is a 9/11 truther [12:21]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron do you call emergency line and tell them truths ? [12:22]
danielpbarron i question whether there were actually planes that hit the towers [12:22]
danielpbarron heh [12:22]
from_vice Towers? [12:22]
mircea_popescu heh, the benefit of modernity. no event is ever going to co-exist with a consensus interpretation thereof. [12:22]
danielpbarron well i'm pretty sure the towers existed. I saw them with my own eyes on a trip to NYC [12:22]
from_vice This is all a hologram [12:22]
mircea_popescu from_vice it'd seem your notions about what a hologram is are informed more by southpark than by physics. [12:23]
from_vice Btw when does modernity ever stop? [12:23]
mircea_popescu as used above, it prolly doesn't. [12:24]
mod6 asciilifeform: just to be clear, all of your vagrind runs against bitcoind are: v0.5.3.1+Orphanage_ThermoNuke ? Or just plain v0.5.3.1 ? [12:24]
* mircea_popescu just assumed plain [12:24]
from_vice Well it's been swell, good luck with the taking over the world with superior quips. Now where did I park my car?? [12:27]
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lobbes danielpbarron: you think it may have been an 'inside job' by usg? I have heard that pov from others, too [12:29]
danielpbarron who else would care to do it? [12:29]
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mircea_popescu danielpbarron the problem with this is that they could have picked much less expensive, more impactful targets. [12:30]
mircea_popescu cantor fitzgerald's been in the news recently due to their vice chair's fraudulent shenanigans and separately due to their general incompetence and gross mishandling of OPM. [12:31]
mircea_popescu this firm is in its sorry state today because it was mostly wiped in that attack. [12:31]
mircea_popescu who exactly in the usg do you think is or was served by wiping most of their army ? [12:32]
mircea_popescu (and yes, in the 2000s, the finance ppls are the army. the grunts on the ground - roughly speaking cleanning crews) [12:32]
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danielpbarron i don't really give it much thought [12:33]
mircea_popescu makes two of us. [12:34]
lobbes unless witnessed with own eyes, can't really verify one way or another. Of course, you can say that about any event [12:36]
lobbes and then there's solipsism [12:36]
lobbes which I always sort of bought into. I can't verify any of you really exist [12:37]
mircea_popescu ever been to a magic show ? [12:38]
lobbes no, just seen em' on tv [12:38]
mircea_popescu your eyes are a particularly weak check, especially if it is known you will be relying on them exclusively. [12:39]
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mircea_popescu plenty of people making a living at this. in fact, three card monte exists specifically to exploit the thermodynamc gradient created by the "own eyes" meme/mental parasithosis. [12:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 368120 @ 0.00022667 = 83.4418 BTC [+] {4} [12:40]
lobbes this is true. But even with the other senses, you still have to accept the assumption of 'an outside reality' [12:40]
lobbes everything else builds off of that [12:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91030 @ 0.00022985 = 20.9232 BTC [+] [12:41]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo for the record, "and found 60 with one or more duplicate moduli." is maybe misleading. it merely found the same key in multiple places, it hasn't actually cracked anything. << fxd [12:43]
lobbes but in terms of verifying events with own eyes, I do see that point. Not even possible in certain cases [12:44]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo yeah. wouldn't want random dude in a band that drinks too much read that and with his usual superficial comprehension skills decide 1% of keys are broken or some similar shit. [12:44]
mircea_popescu god knows they do enough of that nonsense even without any help [12:44]
mircea_popescu lobbes does the proposition that having two children each off two different women equal having four children total have to accept some sort of assumption about "the twu nature of numbers" ? [12:45]
lobbes hmm, I think I get it; 'I experience something, therefore it exists.' Assumtion not really necessary for the experience [12:48]
mircea_popescu Submissions: 11241 / Known Moduli: 10759 / Waiting for Test: 1361 timestamp [12:48]
mircea_popescu lobbes something like that. [12:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 145400 @ 0.00022072 = 32.0927 BTC [-] {2} [12:50]
BingoBoingo Yeah [12:52]
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BingoBoingo [13:16]
assbot California "Masonic Police Department": Weird. ... ( ) [13:16]
mircea_popescu reading old trilema articles ( ) i'm suddenly illuminated : all the empowered feminist derps that bitch about how having to shave their cunt is wrong, novel and bla bla : how much smegma do they eat in the average week ? [13:16]
assbot Sa belim pula on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [13:16]
mircea_popescu because guess what : smegma is just as natural a byproduct of the sexual organs, of the other gender. and washing it off is certainly as novel bla bla as shaving the cunt. [13:17]
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ben_vulpes buenos diiiiias [13:20]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 178800 @ 0.00022342 = 39.9475 BTC [+] {2} [13:24]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: why do you capitalize IRC logs on Trilema? [13:24]
mircea_popescu seems better form ? i dunno. [13:24]
* ben_vulpes shrugs [13:25]
ben_vulpes i halfway expected a philosophical tract on capitalization and blogs [13:25]
mircea_popescu heh. trilema titles generally are an enigma. [13:25]
mircea_popescu Submissions: 11497 / Known Moduli: 11013 / Moduli Waiting for Test: 1413 [13:26]
mircea_popescu sheit... 38 minutes, 258 added. at 6/minute this is going to be 18 months ;/ [13:27]
ben_vulpes at least it's not just sitting there depreciating anymore. [13:27]
ben_vulpes now it's...being useful! [13:27]
mircea_popescu yup, no argument. [13:28]
mircea_popescu i kinda suspected it'll need a long time. [13:28]
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* mod6 slaps assbots ass [13:30]
mircea_popescu anyway, the exercise is interesting because it puts a ceiling on costs. doing a mathematically intricate, non-parallelizable task over ~the entire space of gpg keys~, all 4mn of them, is < 10k usd. [13:30]
mircea_popescu the "millions" mike hearn derps about aren't only broken because shit, we're worth billions, even if he personally isn't worth two spits. [13:30]
mircea_popescu it's also wrong because you don't actually need the millions [13:30]
ben_vulpes !up ascii_field [13:30]
mircea_popescu wtf happened here. [13:30]
mircea_popescu !up ascii_field [13:30]
-assbot- You voiced ascii_field for 30 minutes. [13:31]
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mircea_popescu bitchez. [13:31]
ascii_field << the 258 figure does not include the non-rsa submissions [13:31]
assbot Logged on 07-05-2015 16:22:53; mircea_popescu: sheit... 38 minutes, 258 added. at 6/minute this is going to be 18 months ;/ [13:31]
mircea_popescu ascii_field it does not, but im figuring : since the queue is not ever empty, it's a good measure for actual processing [13:31]
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ben_vulpes !up ascii_field [13:31]
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ascii_field jurov: n log n [13:31]
mircea_popescu jurov supposedly only by log n [13:31]
ascii_field theoretically [13:31]
ascii_field (in practice, various boojums like cache miss will set in) [13:32]
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-assbot- You voiced rbtkhn for 30 minutes. [13:32]
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mircea_popescu anyway he has a point, 18 months above was linear. [13:32]
danielpbarron hello rbtkhn ! [13:33]
mircea_popescu (the 10k was not) [13:33]
ben_vulpes who is rbtkhn? [13:33]
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danielpbarron Robert Kuhne [13:34]
ben_vulpes well key up, Kuhne [13:38]
mircea_popescu what, the huobi guy ? [13:40]
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danielpbarron ya [13:43]
danielpbarron he said he'd pop in here later, although I suspect that one wasn't actually him (someone else clicking the custom url) [13:43]
mircea_popescu aha [13:44]
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ascii_field << read the mailing list. clearly printed on the box, 'thermonuke.' [13:46]
assbot Logged on 07-05-2015 15:19:45; mod6: asciilifeform: just to be clear, all of your vagrind runs against bitcoind are: v0.5.3.1+Orphanage_ThermoNuke ? Or just plain v0.5.3.1 ? [13:46]
* ascii_field did not think there was any ambiguity in his reports [13:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114650 @ 0.00022221 = 25.4764 BTC [-] [13:47]
mircea_popescu heh. there's ambiguity in the heads! [13:47]
mircea_popescu but right you are. [13:47]
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ascii_field mircea_popescu: in principle, one can do clever things to weasel out of the cache problem - such as setting max product size and gcd'ing said parcels together [13:53]
mircea_popescu ascii_field i tell you we might have to find a way to parallelize this, because as it is, it'll prolly be too slow. [13:54]
ascii_field (much cpu is wasted on shuttling gigantic integer around) [13:54]
mircea_popescu yeah [13:54]
ascii_field the above is the one kind of parallelism meaningfully possible here [13:54]
mod6 ascii_field: ahhah, it does say it in the Email Subject. derp. [13:54]
mircea_popescu do it in sets, maybe ? because positives are so rarely expected, take n numbers, gcd them all in pairs, then gcd the n/2 pairs together, etc. [13:55]
mircea_popescu the pairs part is eminently parallelizable. [13:55]
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ascii_field sets, aha [13:57]
ascii_field was what i wrote. [13:57]
mircea_popescu yeah. rewrite ? [13:57]
mircea_popescu downside being, of course, that we won't have any sort of usability in progress. [13:58]
mircea_popescu amusingly enough, this is very much like its own sort of blockchain syncing. the 4mn addies were created over 40 years or so. we can catch up in a year, by which time... more will have been created. [13:59]
ben_vulpes ascii_field: would you share the code for splitting the gpg dumps up? [14:00]
ascii_field ben_vulpes: happily [14:01]
ben_vulpes ty [14:01]
BingoBoingo Browsing various .edu domains for keys to submit I noticed there's a span from roughly 1999 to 2005-8 where DSA/Elgamal keys were way too popular [14:02]
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ben_vulpes !up ascii_F [14:02]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo fortunately it died. [14:03]
ascii_field ben_vulpes: it's a very dirty kludge though [14:03]
ben_vulpes [14:04]
assbot ... ( ) [14:04]
mircea_popescu !up deedbot- [14:06]
-assbot- You voiced deedbot- without time-limit. [14:06]
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mircea_popescu deedbot- [14:06]
assbot dpaste: 2EJ5BR5 ... ( ) [14:06]
ben_vulpes 3.(18)? [14:06]
mircea_popescu yes. [14:07]
ben_vulpes exactly?! [14:07]
mircea_popescu yes. [14:07]
mircea_popescu diametric ^ [14:07]
diametric thanks [14:07]
ben_vulpes parens are numbers now [14:07]
ben_vulpes whocouldanode [14:07]
mircea_popescu they were always numbers!!1 [14:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120150 @ 0.00022105 = 26.5592 BTC [-] {2} [14:07]
ben_vulpes no, first they were scratches in the dust ancient lispers used to identify each other [14:07]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes maybe you're not aware, but this is old style notation for periodicity. [14:07]
ben_vulpes aha, i've only ever used the bar over the periodic part [14:08]
mircea_popescu yeah. but not convenient to do in ascii [14:08]
ben_vulpes you dun say. [14:08]
diametric mircea_popescu: done [14:08]
mircea_popescu omg wrong ammount! [14:09]
ben_vulpes ahaha [14:09]
diametric wait what. [14:09]
ben_vulpes stop being so damn clever, herr popescu. [14:09]
diametric oh hah. [14:10]
mircea_popescu lol [14:10]
diametric shouldn't that technically be 2.82 [14:10]
mircea_popescu no, it should technically be 3.1818181818181818181818181818181818181818181818181818181818181818181818181818 [14:10]
diametric ohh [14:10]
mircea_popescu rounded to the closest full line [14:10]
ben_vulpes just quote to the satoshi, man. [14:11]
ascii_field next we will find mircea_popescu writing cheques for 'pi' like knuth [14:11]
mircea_popescu why ? make it easy for people ? [14:11]
ben_vulpes to not make it unnecessarily ambiguous. [14:12]
mircea_popescu tis not ambiguous! [14:12]
mircea_popescu just difficult. [14:12]
ben_vulpes if you know the language. [14:12]
mircea_popescu ^ :D [14:12]
ben_vulpes the language having nothing to do with quoting prices for btc transactions. [14:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110700 @ 0.00022047 = 24.406 BTC [-] [14:12]
mircea_popescu orly ? [14:12]
danielpbarron ascii_field> next we will find mircea_popescu writing cheques for 'pi' like knuth << or making bets that refer to it [14:12]
mircea_popescu that's already water under the bitbridge. [14:13]
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ascii_field bets >> << l0l [14:14]
assbot BitBet - Phuctor will find a bad key :: 0.02 B (2%) on Yes, 1.08 B (98%) on No | closing in 1 week 1 day| weight: 94`192 (100`000 to 1) ... ( ) [14:14]
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mircea_popescu -NickServ- m_p!~matter_pa@ failed to login to mircea_popescu. There have been 3 failed login attempts since your last successful login. << am i the only one so targetted ? [14:15]
ascii_field when does it spit out this stat ? [14:17]
ascii_field on login ? [14:17]
* ascii_field hardly ever logs out and would not necessarily see it then [14:17]
mircea_popescu as i was sitting here [14:17]
mircea_popescu ascii_field < like that [14:21]
assbot dpaste: 3ABYGTD ... ( ) [14:21]
ascii_field woah [14:21]
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diametric [14:25]
assbot Texas Governor Deploys State Guard To Stave Off Obama Takeover : It's All Politics : NPR ... ( ) [14:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 303035 @ 0.00022966 = 69.595 BTC [+] {2} [14:27]
mircea_popescu wait. what ?! [14:28]
mircea_popescu " We have so many military bases in the Lone Star State we could practically attack Russia." orly. [14:29]
* funkenstein_ looks up from his iphone [14:29]
diametric haha [14:30]
mircea_popescu dude what the fuck am i reading [14:31]
diametric insanity [14:31]
ascii_field << apparently exists [14:32]
assbot Love Glider Sex Machine: Health & Personal Care ... ( ) [14:32]
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-assbot- You voiced ascii_field for 30 minutes. [14:33]
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mircea_popescu stop saying dirty things to assbot, aflie. [14:33]
funkenstein_ so strange that the governor would want to monitor large groups of heavily armed out of staters [14:35]
trinque NPR's a leftist rag. [14:35]
mircea_popescu i laughed my ass off at this thing. absolute top kek, AAA++ would lol again. [14:36]
danielpbarron << re: love glider [14:36]
assbot Burn After Reading - YouTube ... ( ) [14:36]
funkenstein_ ascii_field, just in time for mother's day! [14:37]
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mircea_popescu "The governor's proposition that these soldiers and sailors constitute a potential threat and need watching as they go about their duties certainly stakes out some new political ground for the leader of the Texas GOP to stand on." [14:37]
trinque I love it [14:37]
mircea_popescu this part, certainly. where's trinque to shed a tear over this [14:37]
mircea_popescu aha [14:37]
ascii_field civilwar cargocult [14:37]
ascii_field (there was 'watching' immediately prior) [14:38]
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trinque "fuck the feds" is great TX politics [14:38]
mircea_popescu ascii_field don't miss the most important point here. government has identified a new thing it could need money for. [14:38]
mircea_popescu this is never ever going away. [14:38]
danielpbarron "The biggest issue I have with The Love Glider is that the angle of the centerpiece where the dildo sits on the vac-u-loc plug is way to steep for any anal play." [14:38]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron iirc the solution is to use softer rubber dongs [14:38]
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danielpbarron "This item came with a nut missing" << just one? [14:40]
mircea_popescu trinque hmm, did deedbot- see the deed ? [14:48]
mircea_popescu Submissions: 12404 / Known Moduli: 11547 / Moduli Waiting for Test: 1584 [14:48]
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mircea_popescu deedbot- [14:49]
deedbot- Bad URL or network outage. [14:49]
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mircea_popescu aha my bad, had a space and no txt. [14:49]
trinque cool [14:50]
mircea_popescu 907÷96 ~= 9.5/minute [14:50]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46393 @ 0.0002225 = 10.3224 BTC [-] [15:00]
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fluffypony the bitcoin-dev mailing list is on fire today [15:30]
fluffypony but I thought BlueMatt summed it up nicely in a reply to Gavin: [15:30]
fluffypony "You've been wandering around telling people that the blocksize will increase soon for months, when there is very clearly no consensus that it should in the short-term future. The only answer to this that anyone with a clue should give is "it will very, very likely be able to support at least 1MB blocks roughly every 10 minutes on average for the next eleven years, and it seems likely that a block size increase of some form will [15:31]
fluffypony happen at some point in the next eleven years", anything else is dishonest." [15:31]
fluffypony smackdown. [15:31]
fluffypony drop the mic [15:31]
funkenstein_ why eleven? [15:33]
fluffypony funkenstein_: no idea, Gavin said this - [15:34]
fluffypony "I would very much like to find some concrete course of action that we can come to consensus on. Some compromise so we can tell entrepreneurs "THIS is how much transaction volume the main Bitcoin blockchain will be able to support over the next eleven years."" [15:35]
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thestringpuller everyone wants the exchange rate to go up so everyone can get rich. it's da most important metric here. [15:45]
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mats merr [16:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00023232 = 3.9727 BTC [+] [16:08]
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SecretFinCENspy danielpbarron, psst... do you know how to launder paper money with crypto currency ?? [16:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123450 @ 0.00023275 = 28.733 BTC [+] {2} [16:10]
trinque lol nice try fincen [16:10]
danielpbarron step 1) use paper to aquire bitcoin. step 2) all done. money is now laundered. enjoy [16:11]
asciilifeform !up ascii_field [16:24]
asciilifeform arsebot?! [16:24]
asciilifeform l0ltr0n1c >> [16:25]
assbot NSA's phone spying program ruled illegal by appeals court [16:25]
SecretFinCENspy we are saved :D [16:27]
SecretFinCENspy you think they care ? [16:27]
trinque "The appeals court did not resolve the question of whether the surveillance was unconstitutional." [16:31]
trinque nor did it state whether words do or do not have meanings [16:32]
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asciilifeform wtf [16:41]
danielpbarron imposter, you! [16:41]
danielpbarron assbot cycled yesterday, so if you haven't upped since then, you aren't "authed" [16:41]
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assbot [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 20000 @ 0.000206 = 4.12 BTC [-] [16:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51350 @ 0.00023301 = 11.9651 BTC [+] {3} [16:55]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148612 @ 0.00023576 = 35.0368 BTC [+] {2} [17:15]
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mircea_popescu fluffypony what "entrepreneurs" is gavin talking to anyway ? [17:16]
mircea_popescu i've yet to meet one. [17:16]
thestringpuller the kid from first kid? [17:17]
fluffypony mighty ducks I believe [17:17]
ascii_field inevitably brings to mind the ru prison parlance 'pierced pederast' [17:17]
fluffypony I just refer to him as Pedobear Pierce [17:17]
ascii_field (vs the yet-'unpierced' kind) [17:18]
mircea_popescu brock pierce the cock piercing ? or some other ? [17:18]
fluffypony you know that Brock has his PR firm labelling him as "the Godfather or Bitcoin" ? [17:18]
fluffypony I shit you not [17:18]
ascii_field 'pierced' was understood as 'properly deflowered' vs merely proclaimed as lowered into pederasty [17:18]
fluffypony [17:18]
assbot Can Bitcoin Clean Up Its Act?: Critical Eye : Details ... ( ) [17:18]
mircea_popescu fluffypony so are the twinkletwins of bitcoin taking this one sitting down ? [17:18]
fluffypony "These glorified pep rallies represent just one aspect of a global campaign by Pierce—who's operated on the fringes of American business for the past 15 years—to reinvent himself as a trustworthy power broker in a volatile virtual realm and cement his claim to a title currently shared by many: the godfather of bitcoin." [17:19]
mircea_popescu lmao [17:19]
mircea_popescu what is wrong with these people, seriously. [17:19]
fluffypony no clue [17:21]
mircea_popescu but i mean... suppose you... i dunno, suppose you open a microbrewery. [17:21]
mircea_popescu seriously, you're going to go tell people you're "the darth vader of beer" ?! [17:22]
danielpbarron there's more than one reference to him touching the young hacker boys in that article [17:22]
fluffypony danielpbarron: but he was just "around" in the mansion whilst that other guy was diddling 12 year old asian boys [17:22]
mircea_popescu no wait [17:23]
fluffypony he didn't notice them all lining up outside that guy's bedroom [17:23]
mircea_popescu that was michael jackson i thought ? [17:23]
mircea_popescu u-huuu [17:23]
fluffypony omg mircea_popescu you don't even know [17:23]
fluffypony [17:23]
assbot The Shady History of Brock Pie - PasteBin.Ro - Primul instrument de lipire din Romania! ... ( ) [17:23]
fluffypony he gave a talk at Bitcoin Africa on "Bitcoin Investing" [17:23]
mircea_popescu i know, i know, he had some derpy "wow gold" type scam that blew up a decade ago. [17:23]
fluffypony and it was basically a pitch of his startup investment shit [17:24]
fluffypony I can't even remember the name [17:24]
fluffypony Crypto Investments or somethin [17:24]
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ascii_field [17:24]
assbot Logged on 07-01-2015 05:05:12; asciilifeform: (it being, they get 'annointed' by handlers specifically for being thus malleable) [17:24]
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ascii_field ^ re: why pedos [17:24]
mircea_popescu 2442÷238 = 10.260504202 / minute. [17:24]
fluffypony "The slim, dark-haired 14-year-old, who attended a small private high school in the Valley, befriended Chad's brother Scott, who led him to DEN. Mike had an interest in acting, so when Collins-Rector outlined the possibilities for stardom offered by the site, the boy began spending time at the mansion, where there was one key rule. He recalls: "If you were going to sleep over, you had to get into either the pool or the hot tub—and [17:25]
fluffypony you had to be naked to do so." In an exclusive interview, Mike E. confirms having been forced to engage in anal and oral intercourse with Collins-Rector, Shackley, and Pierce while under the influence of drugs that he claims were fed to him without his knowledge." [17:25]
fluffypony but the good news is that after all the diddling there was still room for him [17:26]
fluffypony [17:26]
assbot Brock Pierce Elected Bitcoin Foundation Board Chairman ... ( ) [17:26]
mircea_popescu awww. [17:26]
mircea_popescu wait, so just as we finally got rid of that dubious onlyonetv pedo character, [17:27]
mircea_popescu another one sprung up ? [17:27]
mircea_popescu wtf is this, some sort of conspiraci ? [17:27]
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fluffypony lol [17:27]
mircea_popescu Another alleged victim, Daniel, tells a similar story. After being subjected to sexual abuse at M&C, he wrote a suicide note: "I can't stop crying! Please God help me. I can't go on. I let them use me as a sex tool. I let those assholes do all those terrible things to me. Goodbye." His brother found the note and alerted their parents before Daniel made any attempt on his life. [17:27]
mircea_popescu is this what 14 yos write in their sucide notes ?! [17:27]
mircea_popescu hitting all the talking points of the weirdo right in exact order, "please god" and "sex tool" and errything ? [17:28]
* mircea_popescu is impressed. [17:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 162956 @ 0.00023603 = 38.4625 BTC [+] [17:30]
ascii_field who is 0xC63673284FCE0A74 ? [17:30]
ascii_field whoever he is - sks is silent [17:31]
ben_vulpes what's of interest about 0xC63673284FCE0A74? [17:31]
ascii_field ben_vulpes: signature under the pierce thing on paste linked earlier [17:32]
ascii_field no one but me noticed ? [17:32]
ben_vulpes aha [17:32]
ben_vulpes it's brock pierce [17:32]
ben_vulpes nobody but you cares maybe [17:32]
ascii_field ben_vulpes: signed his own 'pierce is a pedo sc4mz0r' article ? [17:33]
mircea_popescu ascii_field it's not a puiblic key. [17:33]
ascii_field well, technically it is [17:33]
ascii_field but apparently no one made this publickey public. [17:33]
mircea_popescu right. [17:34]
ascii_field (wtf is the point of signing something that no one can verify ?) [17:34]
mircea_popescu "no one" [17:34]
ascii_field GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) << mega-l0l [17:34]
mircea_popescu the string is arbitrary. [17:35]
ascii_field sure. [17:35]
ascii_field still l0l. [17:35]
mircea_popescu ascii_field anyway, if that's what you're trying to establish, i can confirm the broad points. [17:41]
mircea_popescu the salacious sex stuff not so much, but perpetual fraud, slapp/frivolous litigation and general mismanagement, sure. [17:41]
ascii_field mandatory for election to phoundation [17:42]
ascii_field we knew this for a while, yes [17:42]
ascii_field in other news, << pigs flying with massive jet engines, microshit vs for linux. [17:42]
assbot Microsoft Releases New Code IDE For Linux! - Phoronix ... ( ) [17:42]
ascii_field can't wait until 'ubuntu' ships with this. [17:43]
mircea_popescu i dunno, by now linux is windowized enough. they can release their shit for systemd/ubuntu/glibc-with-modules/etc and pretty much have it right. [17:43]
ascii_field aha [17:43]
trinque hah! [17:43]
ascii_field and poettering will proclaim it mandatory [17:43]
ascii_field will release gendered comments compliance plugin for it [17:43]
mircea_popescu because poettering is like gavin, the godfather of other people's computers. [17:43]
mircea_popescu ascii_field btw, i don't think the pairs solution is the best thing. how about the following : cut keys into three groups. 1. keys that were submitted to web from outside ; 2. keys in the strong set ; 3. everything else. and always process 1, or if 1 empty 2, or if empty 3. [17:44]
mircea_popescu that'll give us best of all possible worlds. [17:44]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: how to programmatically calculate strong set [17:45]
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* ascii_field does not have the definition handy [17:45]
mircea_popescu "key signed by at least another key in the strong set"./ [17:45]
mircea_popescu however, i think i might just pull a list for you. [17:45]
ascii_field works [17:46]
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mats does phuctor have an externally accessible api? [17:49]
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mircea_popescu ascii_field < should be it [17:50]
assbot ... ( ) [17:50]
asciilifeform !up ascii_field [17:52]
mircea_popescu meh. actually, after a cursory look over the top 1k : it'd seem to me this wot is pretty much taken over. [17:52]
assbot PGP key top 1000 ... ( ) [17:52]
mircea_popescu Palfrader is iirc the tor derp [17:54]
mircea_popescu i have nfi who Marcus Frings or Karlheinz Geyer are, mako's key is an old 1024 bit dsa thing.... [17:56]
mircea_popescu mats notrly as of yet [18:02]
mircea_popescu !up joecool [18:03]
-assbot- You voiced joecool for 30 minutes. [18:03]
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joecool thanks [18:03]
mircea_popescu !gettrust assbot joecool [18:03]
assbot Trust relationship from user assbot to user joecool: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | | [18:03]
ben_vulpes “If I had an easy way and a non-risk way of shorting a whole lot of 20- or 30-year bonds, I’d do it,” said our favorite uncle Warren Buffett on CNBC. [18:03]
mircea_popescu o.O [18:03]
joecool but i have L1 through the bot [18:03]
mircea_popescu !rate joecool 1 Approximately new blood :p [18:04]
assbot Request successful, get your OTP: [18:04]
mircea_popescu !v [18:04]
assbot Need a decrypted verification string. [18:04]
joecool is that OTP for me? [18:04]
mircea_popescu !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.joecool.1:2c46683c140832008f9f075f6b57d3ed645a84039674adf1ecda1c51ab5c2ef2 [18:04]
assbot Successfully added a rating of 1 for joecool with note: Approximately new blood :p [18:04]
joecool ah ok [18:04]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes wait, wait... he no longer believes in the future of america ra ra ra ? [18:04]
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ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: kinda the implication, neh? [18:05]
ben_vulpes [18:05]
assbot “Smart Money” Prepares to Profit from Bond Market Rout | Wolf Street ... ( ) [18:05]
mircea_popescu swoon - rout lmao [18:05]
mircea_popescu somebody changed the title but didn't know how to change the url ? [18:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85500 @ 0.00022848 = 19.535 BTC [-] {2} [18:08]
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Pierre_Rochard ^ they’re afraid of dead links. Why they don’t simply reroute to the new url is a mystery to me [18:09]
Pierre_Rochard “If I had an easy way and a non-risk way of shorting a whole lot of 20- or 30-year bonds, I’d do it,” < If I had a non-risk way of doing anything in the financial markets, I’d do it too... [18:10]
ben_vulpes dahoy [18:10]
ben_vulpes ^ they’re afraid of dead links. Why they don’t simply reroute to the new url is a mystery to me << that'd require having some kind of a clue [18:10]
Pierre_Rochard does wordpress have that feature? [18:12]
joecool there's a plugin that'll scan nightly for broken links you can use on wordpress [18:13]
joecool even has option to point old dead links to the web archive [18:13]
BingoBoingo Highlight of today's digging session: [18:23]
assbot Imgur ... ( ) [18:23]
BingoBoingo ^ Pink "Double Knockout" rosebush, appx $30 or 0.13 BTC [18:26]
BingoBoingo "Patented" plant type [18:26]
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ben_vulpes hola chetty [18:40]
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BingoBoingo !up tKM [18:41]
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funkenstein_ !s dtcc [18:51]
assbot 0 results for 'dtcc' : [18:51]
funkenstein_ nice roses :) [18:51]
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BingoBoingo Thx [18:54]
* BingoBoingo awfully temped to propagate more vegitatively just because FU patents [18:54]
asciilifeform << death on a lathe [18:58]
assbot - machine accident - warning: extremely graphic ... ( ) [18:58]
funkenstein_ so the "double knockout" refers to some genetics? [18:59]
BingoBoingo funkenstein_: Yeah, but apparently bred for said genetics rather than monsanto'd. [19:00]
BingoBoingo Supposed to be incredibly disease resistant, but will see [19:00]
* funkenstein_ recalls the story of the double knockout mice, missing both seratonin and dopamine, whom researchers still hooked on cocaine [19:00]
BingoBoingo Yeah, not that kind of knockout. [19:02]
BingoBoingo Knockout is the branded genetics. [19:02]
BingoBoingo or Brand of this plant's genetics [19:02]
BingoBoingo Wasn't looking to pick up a rosebush, but was at Rural King [19:03]
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cazalla BingoBoingo, resistant to what? scale? [20:06]
BingoBoingo cazalla: Fungi mostly [20:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114500 @ 0.00022127 = 25.3354 BTC [-] [20:17]
ben_vulpes [20:21]
assbot Crash landing — Medium ... ( ) [20:21]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: ^^ relevant to memory stuff, relevant to block size wars [20:21]
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mircea_popescu !up jam__ [20:30]
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mircea_popescu does wordpress have that feature? << yes. if i change an url both the old and the new work, and the old redirects to the new [20:31]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124250 @ 0.00021904 = 27.2157 BTC [-] {2} [20:32]
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funkenstein_ if netscape goes down, the internet is broken right? [20:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101900 @ 0.00022127 = 22.5474 BTC [+] [20:35]
trinque ben_vulpes: that dude uses the word "believe" a lot [20:39]
trinque "Neither me nor Gavin believe a fee market will work as a substitute for the inflation subsidy." [20:39]
trinque so on [20:39]
trinque "Miners would include free transactions ordered by “priority” as they do today (calculated as coin age times value), and they’d do it because circulating bitcoins are valuable bitcoins." [20:40]
trinque this is horse shit of colossal scale [20:40]
mircea_popescu why do we care why random nobody believes or doesn't believe, again ? [20:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114550 @ 0.00021739 = 24.902 BTC [-] {2} [20:41]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo dude nice maria callas or w/e those are [20:42]
BingoBoingo Because they still pretend to identity and need that stripped so that they be dumped naked in the cold rain [20:42]
trinque sorting transactions by fees and dumping off the tail-end solves everything he brings up re: mempool getting too full [20:42]
mircea_popescu doh. [20:43]
mircea_popescu "but that would be like ... capitalism1!11" [20:44]
mircea_popescu "how could the currency of the future be anything like capitalism!!!1" [20:44]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: It's some sort of rose called "Double Knockout" which I find funny because abuse of genetics term by a plant geneticist. Not much to congratulate me on yet. All I did was pick them up from Rural King and put them in a hole. [20:44]
mod6 here's today's update from the v0.5.3.1+Orphanage_Thermonuke: [20:44]
assbot ... ( ) [20:44]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo yeah, they look a little wilted as is normal for a transplant but not much. seem they'll be fine [20:44]
BingoBoingo masaging the roots seems it spent a bit long in the two gallon container and could have done well in a larger one. [20:46]
cazalla BingoBoingo, no guerilla method of taking some cuttings and walking out? :P [20:48]
BingoBoingo Hopefully the rosebush does well enough to pirate it next year. [20:48]
BingoBoingo cazalla: Nah, I like Rural King. It is my kind of white trash chain retailer. [20:49]
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BingoBoingo It's the sort of place where you can pick up petunias, hatchling chickens, new pants, and an AR-15 all in one convenient location. [20:50]
cazalla sounds great, we don't have anything like that here, best we've got are big hardware monstrosity stores, somewhat American in size but still no chickens or guns to be had [20:52]
mircea_popescu well, no guns because not legal in australia, and no chickens because they;re not licensed to run a brothel. [20:53]
cazalla bunnings, masters hardware.. were cheap places to get cheap tools but seeing australia no longer manufacturers anything, the big stores charge aussie prices for cheap chinese shit because where else ya gonna go? [20:53]
BingoBoingo If rural king sold liquor and cigarettes I probably wouldn't ever have to shop anywhere else. [20:54]
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cazalla i did pick up another guava from the local bunnings a few days ago, a pineapple guave to go with my cherry one [20:56]
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danielpbarron [20:57]
assbot Parks and Recreation: Ron's favourite store Food 'n Stuff - YouTube ... ( ) [20:57]
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BingoBoingo Cool. I have yet to really get to dicking around with edible plants yet this year [20:58]
cazalla danielpbarron, ah look it's aubrey plaza.. love that chick [20:58]
cazalla BingoBoingo, i'm hoping to replace everything here with edible plants.. axed down some random tree here (went axe instead of chainsaw) to make room for maybe a mulberry in the spring.. stump was a cunt to get out the ground [21:00]
cazalla just gotta poison the missus' camellias so i can get some passionfruit vines in there or something else [21:01]
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mircea_popescu raspberries make decent vine-y bush sorts of things [21:01]
ben_vulpes i suggest blackberries [21:02]
BingoBoingo ^ [21:02]
mircea_popescu also. but less thorny [21:02]
BingoBoingo Blackberries bare better suited to my front garden, because thorns. [21:02]
BingoBoingo Except then you get birds shitting purple all over when they come to gorge [21:03]
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mircea_popescu lol [21:06]
BingoBoingo Otherwise I'd consider blackberry under the windows [21:08]
asciilifeform << how long has this been going ? and what are the units? and what even is this heathen thing [21:10]
assbot Logged on 07-05-2015 23:40:11; mod6: here's today's update from the v0.5.3.1+Orphanage_Thermonuke: [21:10]
asciilifeform << fud, snore. [21:11]
assbot Logged on 07-05-2015 23:16:44; ben_vulpes: [21:11]
asciilifeform somebody tell the poor philippinos to give it a rest. [21:11]
BingoBoingo "All three cases are bad news. Bitcoin Core does not restart itself automatically. If a node dies or freezes up it requires the owner to notice restart it manually, each and every time." << Why should bitcoind care to restart itself? That's what python is for. [21:12]
mod6 I started it up few days ago just after I looked over the Orphanage_Thermonuke Patch: # ps aux | grep "bitcoind" [21:12]
mod6 root 11454 42.4 7.9 506848 313992 ? SLsl May05 1797:41 ./bitcoind -datadir=/mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin/ -daemon [21:12]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform [21:12]
assbot The very hard and unrewarding life of Ismail on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [21:12]
asciilifeform mod6: what are the units ? [21:12]
mircea_popescu in other words, meat is cheap [21:12]
mod6 its on a deb6 x86_64 environment. [21:13]
mod6 and units? as in mem page size? 4096 [21:13]
asciilifeform << mega-l0ltron1cz in case anyone missed this [21:14]
assbot Sooo... FetLife is butthurt. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [21:14]
asciilifeform has the thing hit courtroom yet ? [21:14]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ismail << it's autogenned crud [21:16]
mircea_popescu yes. by ismail. [21:16]
mircea_popescu and no. i dunno what us you live in, but civil cases do not go to trail the same year [21:16]
mircea_popescu that's for preet bharara's fraudmanship. [21:17]
* asciilifeform somehow forgot that there is not a magical exception for especially lulzy cases [21:17]
asciilifeform >> Por favor, un minimo respeto por el trabajador! << [21:18]
* asciilifeform falls down [21:19]
mircea_popescu i dunno what us you live in, but the civil docket is A LOT lulzier than this. if there were a lulzy sorting algo i'd prolly never see a judge. [21:19]
mircea_popescu (i seriously recommend this - go hang out in court for a few hours. divorce is best, tax is also pretty good, but even menial traffic tickets is golden often enough) [21:20]
* asciilifeform did this. it was a mega-sn0re. medical malpractice featuring folks who were already almost entirely dead, traffic crud, etc. [21:20]
asciilifeform though the jury thing was an epic lulzfest [21:21]
mircea_popescu yeah, medical malpractice tends to be mostyly bathetic [21:21]
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* asciilifeform came very early in life to the realization that most people - and their problems - are simply not very interesting [21:22]
asciilifeform even petty criminals, turned out, were not an exception to this [21:23]
mircea_popescu the facts usually aren't. the effort and sheer flailing people expend at trying topretend otherwise... [21:24]
scoopbot_revived The very hard and unrewarding life of Ismail [21:24]
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mod6 asciilifeform: this instance is a "m3.medium" which is allocated 3.75 gb RAM. the units in "free" and vmstat [free,buff,cache] are in bytes. [21:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61800 @ 0.00022178 = 13.706 BTC [+] {2} [21:26]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 195450 @ 0.00022461 = 43.9 BTC [+] {2} [21:42]
mod6 !t m s.mpoe [21:43]
assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0002088 / 0.0002216 / 0.00023603 (9626820 shares, 2,133.32 BTC), 7D: 0.00019511 / 0.0002378 / 0.00031162 (33949296 shares, 8,073.25 BTC), 30D: 0.00019511 / 0.00027496 / 0.00033918 (97493408 shares, 26,806.97 BTC) [21:43]
mod6 got my pogo today :] [21:44]
asciilifeform congrats mod6 ! [21:45]
mod6 now i gotta get a drive, solder & soldering iron. [21:45]
mod6 and some wires... and a serial port [21:46]
asciilifeform the soldering thing is not 100% essential [21:46]
asciilifeform (but very convenient) [21:46]
mod6 ok. i've gotta read through all of the docs & logs like 3 times before I play with it. [21:46]
mod6 i do need some EE practice anyway. [21:46]
mod6 i gotta get one of those little chips too! [21:47]
asciilifeform !s usb ttl [21:47]
assbot 3 results for 'usb ttl' : [21:47]
asciilifeform ^ goes with the pogo serial thing [21:48]
asciilifeform (or were you thinking of something else entirely) [21:48]
mod6 ah there we go.. [21:48]
mod6 i was talking actually about the other little guy. [21:49]
asciilifeform esp8266 ? [21:49]
mod6 ah ha! yes. :] [21:49]
* mod6 is excited [21:49]
asciilifeform if not very practiced with soldering iron, get the variant with pins [21:49]
asciilifeform that one can sit down on a breadboard [21:50]
mod6 ah, ok. only $3 on ebay. ~$8-10 on amazon [21:51]
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mod6 is this what it looks like with the pins then? [21:53]
assbot ESP8266 Serial WiFi Wireless Transceiver Module Send Receive Lwip AP Sta Arduino | eBay ... ( ) [21:53]
asciilifeform mod6: aha [21:53]
mod6 ok gravy [21:53]
asciilifeform mod6: that's one of the 2 types you saw at c3. [21:53]
mod6 ah, ok. seems right. [21:53]
mod6 breadboard is only $7 [21:54]
mod6 there is a 75pc wire pack looks like i might need too, ~$5 [21:54]
mod6 i will zap myself. question is, how many times lol [21:55]
asciilifeform with 5v? l0l [21:55]
mod6 ah, *whew* guess you're right. no worries. [21:55]
asciilifeform (notably, esp8266 is a 3v part. don't overvolt it) [21:56]
mod6 hmm. how do you regulate the input voltage? [21:57]
mod6 well, actually, best to talk about this later when i actually /have/ the stuff. heheh. [21:57]
* mod6 is like EE preschooler. [21:57]
asciilifeform unrelated >> << (possibly) zetas shoot down a chopper, torch a few random things [21:58]
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ben_vulpes << look even mod6 uses a variant on "aha" now [22:18]
assbot Logged on 08-05-2015 00:45:00; mod6: ah ha! yes. :] [22:18]
mod6 haha [22:18]
ben_vulpes [22:21]
assbot ... ( ) [22:21]
ben_vulpes look danielpbarron there's a function in common lisp named for you! [22:22]
asciilifeform and so does the not-yet-come-to-b-a ldb. [22:22]
ben_vulpes i'm still waiting to meet cadddr [22:22]
ben_vulpes and cdaddr [22:23]
trinque oh man, many lols when I discovered that [22:23]
ben_vulpes "give me this really specific leaf on the tree plz" [22:23]
ben_vulpes tee hee common lisp u so silly [22:23]
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* asciilifeform will not admit to ever having used a 5+-letter abracadadra [22:24]
trinque I used a 2 or 3 recently, held my nose while doing so [22:24]
ben_vulpes abracadaddr [22:24]
* ben_vulpes now has binary data, must now figure out how to do it [22:25]
asciilifeform at any rate, there is a time & place for everything - even this [22:25]
asciilifeform if 'sed' and even 'tr' have a place, [22:25]
asciilifeform then so does cdadar et al. [22:25]
ben_vulpes word from officemates was "this is the perfect thing to write in c!" [22:25]
ben_vulpes how to do *things *to [22:26]
diametric evening [22:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91252 @ 0.00022649 = 20.6677 BTC [+] {2} [22:26]
ben_vulpes hola diametric [22:27]
danielpbarron ben_vulpes, there's also something in OpenBSD [22:27]
assbot 15 - The OpenBSD packages and ports system ... ( ) [22:27]
ben_vulpes hue [22:27]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: << example of binary shenanigans that i like to give [22:29]
assbot dpaste: 2E0CYZQ: Speakables ... ( ) [22:29]
asciilifeform ^ not optimized in any sense [22:29]
danielpbarron [,duh'pib] or [,duh'puhb] or ['dee'pee'bee] << I go with the third [22:30]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: whoa where did that come from? [22:30]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: come from ? [22:30]
asciilifeform it is clearly marked, i wrote it based on a syllable set published (sorta) by old mr mold [22:31]
ben_vulpes aha [22:31]
asciilifeform try it out. [22:31]
asciilifeform will give a good sense for how common lisp's bit-diddling primitives work. [22:32]
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asciilifeform at least - some of them [22:32]
ben_vulpes did this syllable set (or some derivative) end up in urbit? [22:32]
asciilifeform some variant of it [22:32]
asciilifeform iirc this version was in the early non-advertised src [22:33]
trinque is this urbit thing ever going to give sane names to its abstractions? [22:34]
trinque every time it comes up I get interested, go try to read about it, give up [22:34]
trinque "ships" lol [22:34]
trinque ok. [22:34]
asciilifeform trinque: at least initially, he used syllable gen to name -all- the ops [22:35]
asciilifeform assigning more or less memorable, short names to useful things [22:36]
asciilifeform the whole thing is/was an explicit, entirely deliberate departure from commonly-held 'sanity' and in so far as it was this, it was worth paying attention to. [22:36]
* ben_vulpes ricocheted off the thing [22:37]
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BingoBoingo Oh, look what the theater people are calling a vulnerability nao [22:43]
assbot Tails - Claws Mail leaks plaintext of encrypted emails to IMAP server ... ( ) [22:43]
trinque asciilifeform: would probably help one assess the ideas if it were possible to tell what they are [22:43]
trinque "When Arvo is working, ^C cancels the event it's working on. This event never happened. Don't worry, nothing bad will happen to your computer." [22:43]
trinque sounds awesome; typically called transactions not events [22:43]
asciilifeform trinque: i was never even briefly interested in his top level of abstraction [22:44]
asciilifeform it was and is braindamaged. [22:44]
asciilifeform bottom two - more interesting [22:44]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: l0l tails is still a thing [22:54]
asciilifeform who knew [22:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83350 @ 0.00022311 = 18.5962 BTC [-] [22:55]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I more astounded the "privacy" crowd still uses IMAP over POP3 [22:56]
asciilifeform [,duh'pib] or [,duh'puhb] or ['dee'pee'bee] << I go with the third << i favour 'dehpehbeh', like 'kgb' is pronounced. but that's just me. [22:57]
BingoBoingo I mean who seriously leaves emails on servers [22:59]
asciilifeform folks who don't give a damn ? [23:00]
ben_vulpes just us children of the cloud [23:01]
ben_vulpes look everything sensitive's encrypted, what of it [23:02]
ben_vulpes (and lots of stuff that isn't!) [23:02]
ben_vulpes (EVERYTHING'S SENSITIVE) [23:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39950 @ 0.00022254 = 8.8905 BTC [-] [23:05]
asciilifeform it isn't like enemy didn't get a copy of ciphertext in transit.. [23:05]
trinque I only send dick pics by smtp [23:06]
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trinque (admittedly I've put way too much effort into having email handled by a box under my own control) [23:09]
trinque to what ends... probably none [23:09]
ben_vulpes i want one [23:13]
ben_vulpes or mebbe an account on yours [23:13]
trinque yeh I can twiddle the knobs on postfix, wouldn't mind sharing [23:14]
trinque maybe next hack night, provided I'm sufficiently drunk. [23:14]
trinque postfix is ancient braindamage of a whole other category [23:14]
BingoBoingo Nah, you send the dick pics on Snapchat so NSA can see and become demoralized and desensitized [23:18]
BingoBoingo Let NSA see all the dick pics [23:18]
BingoBoingo Break their spirit [23:19]
mod6 they love the cock [23:19]
trinque ah the great dick revolution of 2022 [23:19]
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decimation < "One of the things that disturbs me about the current world--and this is irrational, I suppose--but it bothers me that my children are growing up in a time when the return to setting money aside for the future is close to zero. So, when you say to them, 'You could save some money and don't have to buy everything with the money you have,' their response, which is correct, [23:30]
decimation is, 'Well, what's the point?' They look at their savings accounts, they are getting pennies. Pennies. And it's a fool's game." [23:30]
assbot " + soundfiledesc + " ... ( ) [23:30]
decimation "Guest: Let's think about how strange that observation is. You're absolutely right. But just to drive home the point of how strange that is, this worry the people have, you and many others, is occurring at exactly the same time that Thomas Piketty has become famous making exactly the opposite claim--that the capitalists are doing better and better and the workers are doing worse and worse" [23:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111950 @ 0.00021904 = 24.5215 BTC [-] {3} [23:38]
mircea_popescu unrelated >> << (possibly) zetas shoot down a chopper << how convenient for the us that mexico is actually going through the motions ahead of it. [23:41]
assbot ... ( ) [23:41]
mircea_popescu who would have thought, the us copying mexico. except, of course, everyone aware of history. [23:41]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: l0l tails is still a thing << how would tails cease being a thing. [23:47]
BingoBoingo Same way Yellow Dog linus failed [23:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134750 @ 0.00022218 = 29.9388 BTC [+] {2} [23:48]
mircea_popescu too late to improve on tails. [23:48]
mircea_popescu decimation "worry" eh ? it's a worry now. [23:49]
mircea_popescu bitch, i don't "worry" about the future. i know what capital formation is, and what ownership is, and so on. these kids will never matter, because they will never own anything, and because they don't even know what that means. [23:50]
mircea_popescu this isn't a worry. this is empathy. i understand how fucked the bug is, even as i crush it under my boot. it is, after all, a bug. [23:50]
BingoBoingo Yellow Dog linux similarly could not improve. Was PPC Mac linux, when PPC Macs faded and other *nic found the platform faded [23:53]
mircea_popescu i guess so huh. [23:56]
mircea_popescu anyway, to round off the capital thing : without ownership you can not force anyone to care about you. whether you can or can not force me to care about you, i will force you to care about me. the illustration of this narrative are the sufferances of young gavin. he drank the "piketty" aka libertard coolaid, and now here he is, wondering what the fuck happened. [23:57]
mircea_popescu welllll... what else could have happened. "it's easier" is the siren song of the "you will NEVER matter" siren. [23:58]
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