Forum logs for 06 Nov 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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asciilifeform "magic packet" undocumented behaviour of the subverted gavin-bitcoin << can't rule this out, but this would play straight into my 'clever buggers after all' hypothesis. [00:08]
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scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2014/11/introducing-a-new-bitcoin-foundation/ [00:16]
cazalla you got the scoop this time scoopbot [00:16]
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asciilifeform jurov's site still has the 1blabla... contract! [00:17]
asciilifeform jurov: fix it before all the qntra readers laugh [00:17]
kakobrekla ha ha. [00:17]
kakobrekla too late. [00:17]
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BingoBoingo !b 4 [00:21]
assbot Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2TWKCJT.txt ) [00:21]
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asciilifeform ben_vulpes: (from qntra) 'our project will likely discard the entire GUI in the near future' << already gone [00:22]
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punkman was playing with vanitygen, found a 1tits address that also says "how hot" in private key [00:22]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: unless, naturally, we're waiting for the turdatron where we can all sign on the patches thus far (i'm all in favour) [00:23]
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ben_vulpes there's that for sure [00:25]
ben_vulpes there's also a discussion to have about how to distribute [00:25]
ben_vulpes when merge, how number, method of dist etc [00:25]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: distribute what? [00:25]
ben_vulpes merged set of patches [00:26]
ben_vulpes or nothing, you know [00:26]
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asciilifeform ben_vulpes: at the moment i'm leaning against the idea of distributing binaries of whatever kind being a good one [00:26]
ben_vulpes mhm yeah i dig [00:26]
ben_vulpes but how about source? [00:26]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: anyone who is genuinely serious about using bitcoin should be able to build it. it isn't rocket surgery. [00:26]
ben_vulpes sure absolutely. [00:27]
ben_vulpes i'm talking about distributing a sourceball with patches merged. [00:27]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: as for source/patches, any turdbrigade member can put up unofficial mirror. [00:27]
ben_vulpes could deem this unnecessary, but... [00:27]
ben_vulpes as you did, i note! [00:27]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: at the very minimum, one ought to live on jurov's site. (at present, i don't see it there.) [00:28]
BingoBoingo the US does have a habit of starting some community initiative only to see it lobbied into the ground because it would be "unfair" to overpriced unwilling monopolistic large corporations << No, it happens. You just need a town that can get away with it. Muni internet exists here and had no serious opposition. [00:29]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: u.s. towns in this case are either prey or small change. tertium non datur. [00:30]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: what would be truly astonishing would be - municipal gsm. but pig's chance of flight. [00:32]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo: u.s. towns in this case are either prey or small change. tertium non datur. << Small, affluent compared to the surrounding error. [00:32]
PeterL was there a consensus as to if I should add prestonbryne.com to scoopbot's list? [00:32]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo: what would be truly astonishing would be - municipal gsm. but pig's chance of flight << Aha! [00:32]
BingoBoingo was there a consensus as to if I should add prestonbryne.com to scoopbot's list? << Prolly not, he stops by here very rarely. [00:32]
BingoBoingo !t m s.qntr [00:33]
assbot [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00015 / 0.00015 / 0.00015 (200 shares, 0.03 BTC), 7D: 0.00013514 / 0.00013704 / 0.00015 (4111 shares, 0.56 BTC), 30D: 0.00013514 / 0.00013704 / 0.00015 (4111 shares, 0.56 BTC) [00:33]
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mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-curse-cuss-out-and-swear-in-romanian-like-a-romanian-this-means-like-you-know-what-youre-doing-to-avoid-saying-professionally-with-structural-explanations-a-strategy-guide-plus-pro/ [00:56]
assbot How to curse, cuss out and swear in Romanian, like a Romanian (this means, like you know what you’re doing to avoid saying “professionally”). With structural explanations, a strategy guide plus pronounciation revealed! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [00:56]
mircea_popescu !up satdav [00:56]
-assbot- You voiced satdav for 30 minutes. [00:56]
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satdav Thanks mircea_popescu [00:57]
mircea_popescu sure. who're you ? [00:58]
satdav $register [00:58]
satdav I am a member of Firefox support team [00:58]
mircea_popescu o hey. [01:00]
mircea_popescu is it hard work ? [01:01]
satdav mircea_popescu: how do I register on gribble [01:01]
mircea_popescu ;;google first steps in bitcoin-assets [01:01]
gribble start [bitcoin assets wiki]: ; #bitcoin-assets log: ; Why the IRS Is Taxing Bitcoins as an Asset - The Motley Fool: [01:01]
satdav Yes very hard at times [01:01]
mircea_popescu http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets < [01:01]
assbot first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] [01:01]
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satdav mircea_popescu: is their windows setup for this [01:07]
mircea_popescu hm ? [01:07]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: is their windows setup for this << If you must use GPG on windows at least compile it yourself. The extant gpg4win binaries have a dubious reputation [01:08]
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nubbins` http://i.imgur.com/N7K36Kw.jpg [01:11]
jurov ben_vulpes" i told you several times: s'il vous plait, do register with the mailman. it will *not* register you automatically1 [01:12]
jurov ! [01:12]
jurov i am registered and did get your email fine [01:12]
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nubbins` See vous play. Play, vous, play. [01:14]
nubbins` fun with Dick and Vous [01:14]
mircea_popescu Mousse de Vous. [01:15]
ben_vulpes ! [01:16]
ben_vulpes i coulda sworn that i'd done that. [01:16]
mod6 ;;ticker [01:17]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 339.55, Best ask: 339.56, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 340.22, 24 hour volume: 15598.84432357, 24 hour low: 328.6, 24 hour high: 344.17, 24 hour vwap: 338.047285763 [01:17]
jurov maybe you did not finish [01:17]
jurov in the second email there is a link, [01:17]
jurov on that link there is a button [01:17]
jurov or two [01:18]
jurov and only after clicking it you're in [01:18]
jurov you wanted rigor, gotta have rigor [01:18]
mod6 thanks for getting the address setup for the foundation jurov & for signing on to be the treasurer for the Foundation [01:18]
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jurov oh and please kindly send me or to deedbot your signed contracts [01:19]
ben_vulpes rgr will do [01:20]
mircea_popescu to deedbot [01:20]
satdav You guys should register as a freenode group also [01:20]
mircea_popescu satdav freenode is dead, basically. [01:20]
mircea_popescu i've been trying to get them servers for a coupla years now. [01:20]
mod6 jurov: do you mean my signed charter? http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1MXeLHi5 [01:21]
assbot Bundle 1MXeLHi5 | #bitcoin-assets deed registry [01:21]
satdav Lol mircea_popescu its hard for servers for irc ddos [01:21]
mircea_popescu wait, what ? [01:21]
ben_vulpes mod6: treasurer contract? [01:22]
jurov no, the treasurer's contract so that there are no ugly 404s from the bottom links [01:22]
jurov but wait, i'll update id with deed info [01:22]
jurov *it [01:22]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes mod6 you're supposed to sign his thing too [01:22]
mod6 yeah ok. [01:22]
dub wat [01:22]
mircea_popescu otherwise it's just, "jurov has self-appointed himself" [01:22]
mod6 *nod* [01:22]
jurov lol [01:22]
mod6 Has the document been updated with the address et. al? [01:23]
ben_vulpes mitm! [01:23]
jurov mmnt [01:23]
mircea_popescu incidentally, in a decade or two once gpg ios the only basis of commerce, identity and general life, that's going to be the #1 scam : here's this document. it's signed. just by me. [01:23]
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mod6 mp: werd. [01:23]
mod6 we'll get it done asap [01:26]
jurov http://therealbitcoin.org/treasurer_contract.html it's there [01:27]
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mod6 yeah got this: http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed/9ULZPc7yeZ9fQEA1aZ73H6mcv1s2C4gYFAbNTb5urovj [01:27]
assbot Deed 9ULZPc7y | #bitcoin-assets deed registry [01:27]
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jurov ooh I now get what was the REFERENCES for ... not for itself, but for the charter [01:47]
jurov if nobody else does, will fix it tmrw [01:47]
jurov laterz! [01:47]
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mod6 ah, yeah. [02:00]
mod6 is there a way for someone to revoke their signed deed? [02:00]
mod6 we need the three of us to sign that contract with the REFERENCES section in there [02:01]
mod6 anyone whom already submitted might need to re-submit, not sure if there is a way to pull previously submitted deeds. [02:01]
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mircea_popescu nope. [02:09]
mircea_popescu and something tells me this is going to be a bitch going forward. [02:09]
mod6 yeah. [02:10]
mod6 hrm [02:11]
mod6 ok so this http://therealbitcoin.org/treasurer_contract.html is the contract with jurov's submission [02:14]
mod6 (to deedbot) [02:14]
mod6 and if both ben_vulpes and I sign that exact document with our keys, there is a tie back to the deed submitted by jurov [02:15]
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punkman handy when you are searching http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/from/jurov (can also add /rss there) [02:16]
assbot #bitcoin-assets deed registry [02:16]
mircea_popescu rss'd be good. [02:16]
mod6 the problem is here, that "[R.1] doesn't tie back to the specific Charter document [02:17]
punkman http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/from/mircea_popescu/rss [02:17]
assbot deeds signed by mircea_popescu [02:17]
mod6 just jurov's submission to the deedbot [02:17]
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mircea_popescu punkman can there be 1st line of deed too ? [02:18]
mod6 so there should be a R.1 secion to the submission to deedbot for the charter, and an R2 that ties back to his submission of the Treasurer's contract to the deedbot [02:18]
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punkman mircea_popescu: might as well put the whole thing there (gotta fetch from db and decompress) [02:18]
mircea_popescu punkman actually. yeah, whole thing no signature [02:18]
mircea_popescu google will haet you otherwise. [02:19]
punkman why no signature? [02:19]
mircea_popescu to keep it lighter. i suppose you could actually put the whole thing sure. [02:19]
mircea_popescu yeah. [02:19]
mod6 and as far as "[R.1]" it should probably encompass both of our signed submissions of the charter to deedbot [02:19]
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mircea_popescu ;;later tell pete_dushenski who is http://www.contravex.com/2014/09/21/tete-a-tete-with-a-neo-national-socialist/#comment-4561 ? [02:20]
gribble The operation succeeded. [02:20]
assbot Tête-À-Tête With A Neo-National Socialist | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski [02:20]
mod6 (since we didn't submit them on the same bundle) [02:20]
mod6 any errors in this thinking? [02:20]
punkman should I look into creating a utility that does the multisig hack? [02:20]
mircea_popescu no. [02:22]
punkman or whatever can help such workflow [02:22]
mircea_popescu mod6 srsly, i wouldn't worry about it. it's there, it's signed. [02:22]
mircea_popescu anyone has doubts about the matter has also the means to verify it. [02:22]
mircea_popescu what problem remains ? [02:23]
mod6 ok. just was hoping for distinct links. [02:23]
mircea_popescu the key to a functioning computer isn't that "everything is on your screen at the same time" [02:23]
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mircea_popescu mod6 but you each have a link no ? [02:23]
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mircea_popescu im not getting something here. [02:24]
mod6 just was hoping for a daisy-chained document sigs in the public record [02:24]
mircea_popescu so you mean you want jurov's thing to reference the charter you two signed ? [02:25]
mircea_popescu this is trivially accomplished, just include the two links. [02:25]
mod6 m6 & bv --sigs-> A & B signed charter ; treasurers sub-doc contains links to A & B to be signed by j & mod6 & bc [02:25]
mod6 s/bc/bv [02:25]
mircea_popescu sure. [02:25]
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asciilifeform the key to a functioning computer isn't that "everything is on your screen at the same time" << this is how i ended up with 4 screens (and counting...) [02:45]
mircea_popescu im still using one. old school. [02:45]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ever found a new 'trinitron' ? [02:45]
mircea_popescu to be fair tho, i have a coupla other machines, so i suppose that counts as multiple anyway. [02:45]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform not rly looking tbh. [02:45]
asciilifeform surrendered to modernity? [02:46]
mircea_popescu i've hammered this lcd thing into low emission tolerability, and well... kinda too lazy i guess. [02:48]
asciilifeform 'eizo' makes tolerable lcd. [02:49]
asciilifeform (tolerable - as in, still viewable when vertical, for instance.) [02:49]
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mircea_popescu i don't overturn them anyway. [02:49]
asciilifeform on account of my peculiar profession, i am rather addicted to overturned screens. [02:50]
asciilifeform foundation, l2 trust of assbot << i'd suggest switching from the #b-a voices for the turdatron to l1 of jurov (or ben_vulpes?) - i.e., do we want the camgurlz submitting patches? [02:55]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you'd reject a patch because it was submitted by a whore ? [02:55]
asciilifeform nope. [02:56]
mircea_popescu so then ? [02:56]
asciilifeform but folks should at least have to ask to play [02:56]
asciilifeform not that it matters much, 'if used as prescribed' [02:56]
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* asciilifeform awaits the patch whores [02:56]
mircea_popescu i wish to see the camho that figures out how to submit fuck you to this thing. [02:56]
asciilifeform we had quite a number here who figured out gpg, no? [02:57]
mircea_popescu but generally : trust-but-verify is the best model available. [02:57]
ben_vulpes http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2lexl2/here_is_why_the_hash_rate_jumped_and_took_a_dive/ [02:57]
assbot Here is why the hash rate jumped and took a dive in days. EST. $3,600,000 worth - GONE! : Bitcoin [02:57]
asciilifeform 'доверяй но проверяй' [02:57]
asciilifeform ^ rhymed in the original. [02:57]
asciilifeform (trust but verify) [02:57]
mircea_popescu the original is afaik greek [02:57]
asciilifeform let's have it? [02:58]
mircea_popescu maybe it rhymes in russian because russian was so made so that good original sentences rhyme ? [02:58]
asciilifeform ehehe. [02:58]
ben_vulpes i just got an email with an attachment [02:59]
ben_vulpes LEL NDA [02:59]
ben_vulpes where is the eyerolling emoji again? [03:00]
asciilifeform humlangs without declensions are a royal bitch to rhyme. [03:00]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform i had it from patristics, and assumed it's greek. seems it's actually bona fide russian folklore. [03:02]
asciilifeform http://s005.radikal.ru/i211/1110/84/274b6149a5d6.jpg [03:04]
asciilifeform http://demotivkartinki.3dn.ru/_ph/5/2/119518605.jpg [03:04]
asciilifeform etc. [03:04]
mircea_popescu lol condom [03:04]
punkman that's a greek comic [03:10]
punkman "trust but verify" doesn't translate very well though [03:11]
punkman http://www.messiniaportal.gr/sites/default/files/field/image/ark.jpg [03:12]
mircea_popescu so apparently ask.fm is where all the cool kids are nao. [03:13]
* asciilifeform peeked, not impressed. must not understand how the world works (tm). [03:14]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00072477 = 4.8922 BTC [+] [03:16]
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mircea_popescu "Which town did you grow up in? What's been the best commercial you've seen? What’s the best gift you have ever given someone, in your opinion? What position do you sleep in? Are you a very ambitious person? What is the worst gift you have ever received?" << of all the inept shit... [03:20]
asciilifeform these folks >> straight to butugychag. [03:20]
asciilifeform there's a pick and a cart with each of their names on'em. [03:21]
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asciilifeform http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/11/is-unlearning-harder-than-unschooling.html << intro to mr. o's linguistic crackpottery [03:22]
assbot ClubOrlov: Is unlearning harder than unschooling? [03:22]
ben_vulpes http://fuckyes.shithouse.tv/ [03:23]
assbot fuckyes [03:23]
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* mircea_popescu makes account, and for a minute contemplates stream of meaningless faces, and their literal outbursts. la nausee strikes. [03:25]
asciilifeform wallowing with the eagles, eh. [03:25]
* mircea_popescu is at that precise moment enlightened : rather than interact with random people, he'd count sand. [03:26]
* asciilifeform prefers soaring with the pigs any day of the week [03:26]
ben_vulpes i've been working out of a client's office on the 27th floor of this skyscraper downtown all week, and every time i walk outside i'm struck with gut-level desires to insulate myself from the people derping around outside the building. [03:26]
mircea_popescu this notion that "other people" exist is perhaps the most striking shared delusion humanity ever came up with. seriously, they do ? how ? [03:26]
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asciilifeform hard to smell the pheromone trails when not an ant, yes. [03:27]
mircea_popescu guess so. [03:27]
cazalla so i butchered 6 rabbits this morning and a crow swooped and took a bunny head, imagine the poor kid that finds that in his backyard lol [03:27]
mircea_popescu ew [03:27]
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asciilifeform there was a soviet-era kids' book about a lil'bugger who gets turned into an ant as punishment for his idiocy [03:28]
asciilifeform and 'has problems' in the ant colony [03:28]
asciilifeform wish i still had my copy. [03:28]
mircea_popescu you know the ancient story of the "magical" ass yes ? [03:28]
asciilifeform golden? [03:28]
asciilifeform apuleus ? [03:28]
mircea_popescu nah. [03:28]
asciilifeform which, then [03:29]
mircea_popescu worker falls asleep on the roadside, with loaded ass next to him. coupla bums decide to steal the goods [03:29]
mircea_popescu one of them comes up with a bright idea : takes bit off ass, puts over own head, while his fellow takes the ass and its load away. [03:29]
mircea_popescu worker awakens, finds a man instead of the ass. man explains that lo! he was cursed by his jealous lover woman, and his time as an ass just came to an end! [03:30]
mircea_popescu awestruck worker bids him enjoy his freedom and leaves. [03:30]
mircea_popescu coupla weeks later, worker runs into his ass at a fair. shimmies next to it and whispers [03:30]
mircea_popescu "who did you fuck now!" [03:31]
asciilifeform l0l [03:31]
BingoBoingo !b 3 [03:31]
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mircea_popescu Most people stumble through life afraid to speak any of the words that they only know from their reading, fearful that they will make fools of themselves by mispronouncing them in public. <<< this was a fact in jerome k jerome's england, back when people knew your class based on your rp. [03:32]
mircea_popescu meanwhile your average usian has no problem speako spanisho, and wonders why the spanish speakero no understando. [03:32]
asciilifeform orlov appears to subscribe to the hypothesis that english is a semi-deliberate qwerty for 'branded on the toungue' purposes. [03:33]
mircea_popescu o holy shit don't tell me he's of the "spoken as written" school of pararetardism [03:34]
mircea_popescu no, no... he is! [03:34]
mircea_popescu jesus. [03:34]
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mircea_popescu Take the word that sounds like “tu.” It is spelled in three different ways: “to,” “too,” and “two.” << if only these actually sounded even vaguely alike. [03:34]
mircea_popescu that he's an ignorant ass i know. but why is he such a twerp to not even bother do his motherfucking reading, quote the actual canonical examples on this topic ? [03:35]
asciilifeform these sound quite alike in usa. [03:37]
asciilifeform or perhaps just my tin ear. [03:37]
ben_vulpes nope. [03:37]
ben_vulpes or maybe i'm infected with context. [03:38]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's possible you don't hear them. some people don't distinguish some colors, red/green, yellow/blue, whatever. it does not follow paintings are bad or w/e. [03:38]
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* asciilifeform confesses he was taught 'uk' style as a boy and had to slowly unlearn it, to much lulz [03:38]
asciilifeform ask a teacher of english in ru, and you'll get 'english is what they speak in england! here's how...' [03:39]
mircea_popescu the way this works is actually very similar to genetics. there's someting like 100ish vowels available to the human voice. these are all spaced equally apart, say 1 unit each. [03:39]
mircea_popescu no fucking language uses all 10 a's or all 10 o's. [03:39]
* asciilifeform did the obligatory tour of duty as linguistics 'minor' at uni [03:39]
mircea_popescu if a language happens to use the 3rd and 9th a, then the speaker expects that 6 unit barrier. [03:39]
mircea_popescu when confronted with language using 5th 6th and 7th, he believes them to be "the same". this is not actually the case. [03:40]
asciilifeform one you factor out the regionalisms, you get approximately orlov's phonemes, though. [03:40]
mircea_popescu there is a very slight difference between the length of the vowel in to and too, which length allows the latter to round closer to a plain u [03:41]
mircea_popescu whereas two has a faint j in there. [03:42]
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mircea_popescu consider that the u in food is properly uː whereas the u in good is properly ʊ. these are in fact quite distinct, for most people , with some training. [03:42]
mircea_popescu juː is best heard in cue, or mule [03:43]
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asciilifeform if this recipe is followed, you end up a brit. [03:44]
mircea_popescu and if it's not, you end up an urk. [03:45]
mircea_popescu or w/e, ebonics speaker. [03:45]
mircea_popescu anyway, no argument that english is, under the pressure of its colonialism, dieing a chinese death. so the argument is widely moot., [03:45]
asciilifeform they have their own most curious vowel 'dip switch' settings. [03:45]
asciilifeform aha, it's the ultimate poorly-specced mandarin. [03:46]
mircea_popescu mandarin was never specced, because, well... the speech is the spec. [03:46]
mircea_popescu The “g” in “beige” is the same consonant sound as the “s” in “Asia” and “z” in “azure.” << god help us. [03:47]
punkbot [trust-update] no changes [03:47]
asciilifeform in mr o's docs, he specifically highlights 'unspell' being designed for folks who aren't u.s. subjects, but rather random people from the outer landscapes of the empire who 'know english' as written hieroglyph, but can't actually speak to one another except in a highly-castrated pidgin when they chance to meet [03:48]
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mircea_popescu And the kids are supposed to be able to make sense of this? At what point are children allowed to learn a set of symbols that unambiguously represent the speech sounds of English? << [03:50]
mircea_popescu holy fuckingshit, fifty years of making it progressively easier for kids were enough to squander 500 years worth of accumulated advantages, to the point even the fucking indians can now compete with american kids. [03:50]
mircea_popescu are you kidding me ?! [03:50]
asciilifeform there's also a school of thought where 'notation is worth 80 iq points' and roman numerals are deservingly gone from mathematics [03:51]
mircea_popescu kids need to be positively tortured. [03:51]
asciilifeform tortured? sure. mutilated? [03:51]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform have you seen mathematical notation recently ? [03:51]
mircea_popescu it has about as many symbols as medicine has words. [03:51]
asciilifeform sure. [03:51]
mircea_popescu note that he's not proposing to get rid of the training weights to replace them with actual anythings. [03:52]
asciilifeform but, at least if speaking of mathematics-proper rather than 'perl', they come with usefully non-contextual definitions. [03:52]
mircea_popescu give me an example. [03:52]
asciilifeform nabla. [03:52]
mircea_popescu any mathematical symbol is defined within its context and there only. [03:52]
mircea_popescu as per godel. [03:52]
asciilifeform within context - aye [03:52]
mircea_popescu anyway, eating brb. [03:52]
* asciilifeform also remembers that he forgot to eat. [03:53]
BingoBoingo * asciilifeform also remembers that he forgot to eat. << And you're the one worried about everyone else's starvation! [03:53]
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asciilifeform http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2lexl2/here_is_why_the_hash_rate_jumped_and_took_a_dive << 'miners can also have problems' ! [04:00]
assbot Here is why the hash rate jumped and took a dive in days. EST. $3,600,000 worth - GONE! : Bitcoin [04:00]
asciilifeform asic may be costly, but kerosene is cheap. [04:00]
kakobrekla which machines are those [04:01]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: you suspect arson? [04:01]
asciilifeform cui bono. [04:01]
* asciilifeform wasn't there, didn't sniff the embers [04:02]
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* asciilifeform wonders why the setup wasn't under permanent inert gas to begin with [04:03]
ben_vulpes or fire extinguishers? [04:04]
BingoBoingo This is a point. Seriously why would people have a fat wall of mining hardware and no halon? [04:04]
ben_vulpes i suppose mining really is so low margin these days that even the antifire stuff ruins profitability. [04:05]
asciilifeform as one commenter pointed out, building was not sealable and therefore unsuitable for halon [04:05]
asciilifeform but i wasn't talking about on-demand flooding [04:05]
kakobrekla here is before : http://i.imgur.com/mYr74jf.jpg [04:05]
kakobrekla cowboy miner [04:06]
kakobrekla good it wasnt a slut? [04:06]
ben_vulpes jesus. [04:06]
* ben_vulpes looks forward to slutminer [04:06]
asciilifeform on-demand flooding is also a varied beast. canonical example: 'hermitage' art museaum in leningrad. fitted with co2 tanks in the '50s. bell rings, you have two minutes to get out. after that, doors seal and 100% co2 atmosphere. [04:06]
ben_vulpes ;;google slutminer [04:06]
gribble No matches found. [04:06]
BingoBoingo md5 http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/11/crypto-attack-that-hijacked-windows-update-goes-mainstream-in-amazon-cloud/ [04:08]
assbot Crypto attack that hijacked Windows Update goes mainstream in Amazon Cloud | Ars Technica [04:08]
ben_vulpes http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-075 [04:08]
assbot SCP-075 - SCP Foundation [04:08]
thestringpuller https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ann-cowboyminer-hosting-your-1th-s-a1-dragon-miners-at-excellent-rates.322187/ [04:09]
asciilifeform ^ lol! those are lovely. [04:09]
BingoBoingo Old uranium mines filled with radon would be great, except for the radiation flipping bits [04:09]
asciilifeform afaik these never usefully fill. [04:09]
asciilifeform not with He (decay daughter) either. [04:10]
asciilifeform (whither helium? unfortunately, mostly mixed in with combustible 'natural gas.' and mostly in usa.) [04:11]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: in emails do you prefer Stan or Stanislav? [04:11]
asciilifeform doesn't matter [04:11]
ben_vulpes mk. [04:11]
asciilifeform so long as to correct key [04:11]
ben_vulpes ah, but for mailing list references. [04:11]
asciilifeform generally - 2 [04:12]
* asciilifeform tried to subscribe, failed [04:12]
ben_vulpes check your 'spam' folder - jurov's not done anything with dkim [04:13]
asciilifeform negative. [04:13]
* ben_vulpes shrugs [04:13]
ben_vulpes jurov! [04:13]
BingoBoingo jurov! << Sleeping [04:16]
ben_vulpes http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/0.5.3-todos [04:18]
assbot 0.5.3-todos [bitcoin assets wiki] [04:18]
ben_vulpes a foundational question: do bounties work? [04:18]
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kakobrekla btw you can do subcategories there as well [04:20]
kakobrekla maybe you want like foundation/client [04:20]
kakobrekla dunno [04:20]
kakobrekla or chicken/... :p [04:20]
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decimation dkim is kind of a chumpatron [04:23]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform anyway, to sum it : there already exists a phonetic notation, and has, for a century. it has the advantage that it works in all languages, and it is also fine enough for absolutely any conceivable use, with its extensions. [04:25]
mircea_popescu on the other hand, there are numerous attempts by various poetterings to create a "better language" because maybe that way their mother will not have been a crackwhore anymore. [04:25]
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mircea_popescu the most notable example is that polari gypsy lingo thing, which is notable for how shitty it is. [04:26]
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mircea_popescu so... whatevs. [04:26]
BingoBoingo Oh, the IPA thing? [04:26]
mircea_popescu sure/ [04:27]
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mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/N7K36Kw.jpg << fucking funny that burned rigs are STILL teh problem. [04:28]
cazalla anyone want to buy some lucky rabbit feet or maybe even heads? http://i.imgur.com/gfYKXLP.jpg nsfw [04:28]
BingoBoingo Ah, Yeah, it's a pain. Latin alphabet works one way, Anglophones have retarded vowel shift, the irrelevance of Chinese supposes azns should look to Castellano as a lingua franca for dealing with white people. [04:28]
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mircea_popescu what difference does it make anyway. if ruby were more like perl would you use it then ? [04:29]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform wonders why the setup wasn't under permanent inert gas to begin with << margins. [04:30]
ben_vulpes heh. [04:30]
BingoBoingo what difference does it make anyway. if ruby were more like perl would you use it then ? << If by like perl you mean the runtime doesn't suck, then maybe? [04:31]
mircea_popescu as ben_vulpes points out. [04:31]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo strictly discussing notation. [04:31]
BingoBoingo AH [04:31]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla: here is before : http://i.imgur.com/mYr74jf.jpg <<< absolute "cheapest of the cheap" scream to it huh [04:31]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: Old uranium mines filled with radon would be great, except for the radiation flipping bits <<< if you're going to fill with gas, fill with technological gas. [04:32]
mircea_popescu whatever your compressors can eat. [04:32]
decimation supposedly most opera singers 'sight-read' IPA so they don't have to learn the target language [04:32]
BingoBoingo Well, I mean the mines flood themselves with it [04:32]
mircea_popescu decimation the ones that don't speak italian anyway. [04:32]
decimation yeah or german [04:32]
mircea_popescu that's a myth. [04:32]
BingoBoingo supposedly most opera singers 'sight-read' IPA so they don't have to learn the target language << Actually this is indeed a thing. [04:32]
BingoBoingo If they are from Usia [04:33]
* BingoBoingo has seen on several occasion musical scores in not Amerglish which had the target language only in IPA [04:34]
decimation http://archive.csustan.edu/Music/handbook/Vocal_Major_Requirmnts.html "Knowledge of International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA) for English and Italian Sight reading" [04:34]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: a foundational question: do bounties work? << they work best when large audience, small rewards. [04:35]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla how do i edit thios wiki ? [04:36]
mircea_popescu decimation the thing with ipa is that it roughly works like a modular pluggable thing. [04:37]
kakobrekla How do I add stuff? [04:37]
kakobrekla For editing rights, please ping kakobrekla on IRC. You also need a rated WOT account. [04:37]
kakobrekla do you have a rated wot account? [04:37]
mircea_popescu i do! [04:37]
kakobrekla good! [04:37]
mircea_popescu what nao [04:37]
kakobrekla pm [04:37]
mircea_popescu how does one use a wiki ? specifically, i wish to add an answer to "what is the desired behavior here?" [04:40]
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asciilifeform ipa suffers deadspace problem [04:42]
decimation deadspace problem? [04:42]
asciilifeform that is, wtf to do with a keyboard where most of the keys - you will never push. [04:42]
decimation well, chinese solves this with a little gui tool [04:43]
asciilifeform also folks hate latin with squiggles. [04:43]
asciilifeform i sure as fuck do. [04:43]
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asciilifeform in fact, my main objection to orlov's gizmo is that it isn't huffman optimal. [04:44]
asciilifeform quite like ipa. [04:44]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: so in your opinion bounties for biggies like "wedged 0.5.3" aren't going to produce much? [04:44]
* asciilifeform speaks as a formerly very regular 'in anger' user of ipa [04:44]
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asciilifeform ben_vulpes: bounties << let's ask more concretely. how much of a bounty would move you, personally, to unwedge 0.5.3 ? [04:45]
decimation wrt english pidgin < This already happens, ever been to hawaii? [04:45]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes let's consider the general point. a) elvis at the hight of his popularity offers a beer to anyone that runs a mile in five minutes ; b) totally unknown autistic otaku offers a million internet funbutts to anyone that runs a mile. [04:45]
mircea_popescu which is the more likely to result in run miles ? [04:46]
asciilifeform proverbial example of 'big hand, small bounty' - don knuth and his typo cheques. [04:46]
mircea_popescu ^ [04:46]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform speaks as a formerly very regular 'in anger' user of ipa << IPA is the java of the linguistics world. [04:46]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform my point is merely that if a space already has a bad solution, implementing a bad solution by nobody is stupid. [04:47]
mircea_popescu it will be worse. [04:47]
asciilifeform a -good- solution by nobody - might have chance. [04:47]
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asciilifeform but 'better to be rich and healthy than poor and disease-ridden', yes. [04:48]
mircea_popescu i read enough to know the person is not only never going to produce a good solution, but is actually ignorant enough to not even realise what the difference may be, and on top of that impudent enough to imagine this not to be so. [04:48]
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ben_vulpes ben_vulpes: bounties << my unwedging << first i'd have to invent the universe [04:48]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: the universe << nah, just rip out bdb [04:49]
mircea_popescu impudent, incidentally, is an interesting word. it comes, of course, from pudenda, and it connotes shamelessness, immodesty. [04:49]
asciilifeform aha. [04:49]
mircea_popescu but literally : cuntless. [04:49]
mircea_popescu somehow contemporary retardation has retained ball-less-ness [04:49]
mircea_popescu but cunt-less-ness is lost, and then people wonder why women feel unequal. [04:50]
decimation it seems to me that sqllite might make a reasonable stand-in for bdb [04:50]
asciilifeform decimation: same liquishit, different bottle [04:50]
mircea_popescu ^ [04:50]
mircea_popescu iirc this was considered and rejected for good reasons in array. [04:50]
decimation at least they claim to test the code [04:51]
mircea_popescu and i claim the crown of mexico. [04:51]
asciilifeform i'd do it but presently i've all eight of my shiva-hands full [04:51]
mircea_popescu do it with your cock! [04:51]
asciilifeform could, in principle, be persuaded to accidentally drop something [04:51]
asciilifeform but not cheaply. [04:51]
mircea_popescu no, not cheaply. [04:52]
mircea_popescu repeatedly. [04:52]
asciilifeform and i certainly hope i'm not the only one with hands. [04:53]
asciilifeform because if so, we're in a dire spot. [04:53]
asciilifeform where have all those literate folks scurried off to? the motherland calls! [04:54]
asciilifeform http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ru/archive/f/f7/20091130080539!Ussr0437.jpg [04:55]
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decimation lol is that a recruiting poster? [04:56]
asciilifeform aha. [04:56]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i'm not averse to it at all but i can't even tell what's bdb and what's other things. [04:56]
ben_vulpes right now, at least. [04:56]
asciilifeform flies-from-cutlets separation, yes. [04:56]
asciilifeform http://demotivation.me/images/20130529/qv4yvfj2tv42.jpg [04:56]
ben_vulpes :( [04:57]
asciilifeform http://cdn5.img22.ria.ru/images/92068/64/920686406.jpg [04:58]
ben_vulpes i mean i don't even understand how CRITICAL_BLOCKs are implemented yet [04:58]
mircea_popescu it' s a journey of discovery [04:58]
mircea_popescu from milan to minsk [04:58]
asciilifeform http://www.krasnoyeznamya.ru/gallery/rm_21_489.jpg << more relevant to the janitorial essence of the task. [04:59]
asciilifeform loosely translated, 'red army's fine broom, sweeps the filth clean from the room' [05:00]
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asciilifeform and yes BingoBoingo that's a mosin. [05:00]
BingoBoingo Looks the part [05:00]
decimation asciilifeform: I didn't realize that the soviet army was a 'volunteer' organization [05:02]
asciilifeform voluntary-compulsory. [05:02]
asciilifeform (yes, that's a phrase.) [05:02]
asciilifeform 'it takes a brave fellow not to be a hero in the soviet army.' [05:02]
BingoBoingo "Voluntold" --Usian term [05:02]
asciilifeform http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/2709/varjag-2007.4/0_1ef2c_d1f5d8f3_L.jpg << again the 'janitorial' motif. [05:03]
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BingoBoingo US election baramoeter highlights: http://thesouthern.com/ap/politics/quinn-concedes-illinois-governorship-to-rauner/article_e4fc81ba-82e3-5ddb-a6e4-d6a25018e068.html Also this guy won a distric that was blue for 70+ years www.suntimes.com/news/marin/12915506-452/viral-rant-makes-instant-folk-hero.html [05:04]
assbot Quinn concedes Illinois governorship to Rauner : Politics [05:04]
decimation so it was kinda like you could volunteer or be told that you were volunteering? [05:04]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo the final phase of dissolution is when the best predictor for electoral failure is being the incumbent. [05:05]
BingoBoingo Yeah [05:05]
mircea_popescu it simply means the "voters" scum expect on average more out of the forcing of the public treasury than on the maximum the public treasury may contain [05:05]
asciilifeform public printery. [05:06]
BingoBoingo In Illinois, Pat Quinn's greatest failing was being an "honest Democrat" [05:06]
BingoBoingo To trim the budget he cut the wrong bezzels. Also broke the rule in Illinois that Governor must be Unrepentant criminal, he was repentant [05:08]
decimation I predict that now the republicans have won they will quickly give away the farm on immigration, taxes, more welfare, etc [05:08]
decimation I predict that the number of H1b visas will at least triple [05:08]
BingoBoingo Well, that's how one keeps elected office generally [05:08]
mircea_popescu decimation visas are not actually bad. [05:10]
thestringpuller some companies hire H1B applicants over citizens/residents. [05:10]
thestringpuller ^- decimation [05:10]
mircea_popescu that's also not bad. [05:10]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: how so? [05:10]
mircea_popescu well, obviously depends what your goals are, but if some sort of either efficiency or adherence to reality is among them then an open system will alway sbeat any closed one. [05:11]
mircea_popescu in short, you're better off living in a country of immigrants than in a coutnry of citizens. [05:11]
asciilifeform for particular values of 'you'. [05:11]
* assbot gives voice to PeterL [05:12]
mircea_popescu particular how ? [05:12]
asciilifeform straight to greenspun. [05:12]
asciilifeform http://philip.greenspun.com/careers/women-in-science [05:12]
assbot Women in Science [05:12]
asciilifeform ^ that one [05:12]
asciilifeform 'Does this make sense as a career for anyone? Absolutely! Just get out your atlas.' [05:13]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform incidentally, it boggles that this orlov fellow has somehow managed to get all the us diseases. srsly, an amateur is going to joseph smith his way into a better way to read ? and pushes this on random kids ? [05:13]
mircea_popescu insanity. [05:13]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform im not following ? [05:13]
* asciilifeform has the misfortune of working with quite a few 'h1b' folks. [05:13]
mircea_popescu go on ? [05:14]
asciilifeform typical speciment: chinese fellow, cribbed dissertation, 100% cribbed/shannonized papers, total and unambiguous waste of oxygen [05:14]
asciilifeform 'how did you get the sheepskin?' - 'washed glassware for advisor, same as the others.' [05:14]
mircea_popescu k t [05:14]
asciilifeform he gets his 25k/usd/annum, sends most of it home [05:15]
mircea_popescu i think you miss my meaning. " if some sort of either efficiency or adherence to reality" [05:15]
asciilifeform lab - 90% these folks, by weight. [05:15]
asciilifeform and it shows. [05:15]
mircea_popescu i don't happen to care that usians believe sucking cock is not something to be good at [05:15]
decimation the numbers I have seen are that ~%80 of the 'skilled workers' brought in on h1b visas have completely phony credentials [05:15]
mircea_popescu the demand exist. [05:15]
asciilifeform now, the 'protectionist case' is not made here, because 'where there is a great birdlessness, my arse is a nightingale' [05:15]
asciilifeform but it's still a laugh. [05:15]
mircea_popescu decimation not so. the chinese guy in his example was well skilled [05:15]
mircea_popescu just, at a skill the puritanical state refuses to name. "slavery" say. [05:15]
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decimation they refuse to say it, but tacitly allow it [05:16]
BingoBoingo the numbers I have seen are that ~%80 of the 'skilled workers' brought in on h1b visas have completely phony credentials << Difference is Usians with phony credentials tend to get along better at work parties [05:16]
asciilifeform slavishly carrying out the rituals of 'scientocracy' - yes. [05:16]
mircea_popescu well, it's a skill. [05:16]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform a slave is a slave. the responsibility for his actions is his master's. [05:16]
asciilifeform if they were slaving in uranium mine - another matter altogether. [05:16]
mircea_popescu he is. [05:16]
mircea_popescu let me show you one btw [05:16]
mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P93o9_9N27o [05:17]
assbot Cel mai oltean dintre chinezi - YouTube [05:17]
mircea_popescu chinese guy in rural romania. herds goats. [05:17]
mircea_popescu was an obgyn in china. had a wife, math teacher. [05:17]
asciilifeform or the gurlz in that restaurant in timis, yes [05:17]
mircea_popescu the locals are haetful. because he outworks them. [05:17]
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mircea_popescu imagine this. romanian rural population, making ~2-3k a year, thinks themselves better. [05:18]
asciilifeform strikebreaker, yes [05:18]
mircea_popescu i suspect guangfalong w/e [05:18]
asciilifeform falun gong? [05:19]
asciilifeform we have a pestilence of these in wash., d.c. [05:19]
asciilifeform they like to set up little stands with 'atrocity porn' [05:19]
decimation they hold gym class on the mall as I recall [05:19]
mircea_popescu yah [05:19]
asciilifeform revolting little buggers [05:19]
mircea_popescu anyway. i wish you all a happy nov 6th and laters! [05:19]
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aspho thx, great work with the new real foundation btw [10:24]
mircea_popescu ha! thanks. [10:32]
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mircea_popescu http://lphoto1.ask.fm/924/081/287/910003001-1s76tc6-mc6fq88b8knepp/original/Screenshot20111021at64529PM300x267.png eh. [11:32]
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BingoBoingo ;;google sheep counting video [11:53]
gribble The Best Counting Sheep To Go To Sleep - 1 Hour - Mini Monsters ...: ; Counting sheep to help you sleep - 1 hour version - YouTube: ; Counting sheep to help you sleep. - YouTube: [11:53]
punkman ;;ident [12:02]
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punkman what, I'm still authed [12:02]
punkman punkbot, balance [12:03]
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mircea_popescu anyone looking for some web gruntwork ? [13:12]
RagnarDanneskjol yes [13:18]
RagnarDanneskjol whats the job? [13:18]
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mircea_popescu lol so pankkake got butthurt because we don't like systemd, decided bitcoin "wouldn't have worked anyway" ? that's some pretty good fatlogic right there. [14:00]
bounce where'd that come from? [14:06]
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mircea_popescu bounce contravex [14:24]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo:. << Generally the way this work in US [...] << yup, exactly that. [14:27]
mircea_popescu decimation: well, there's little doubt in my mind that the reason h1b visas are 'tech' targeted is because engineers have the least political pull in the us <<< they happen to be the only people who have an actual something to do, and so aren't quite as motivated to politics by the gnawing existential void that pushes the paper pushers. [14:30]
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jurov sigh...you yanks and canucks insist to test only when i am afk [15:19]
jurov is there anyone around who can test btc-dev mailing list around CET working time? [15:20]
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punkman jurov, what do you need? [15:31]
jurov just check if it works with various email clients [15:32]
jurov if you send signed message as described, ti should appear even without registration [15:32]
jurov i just found bug that has bit ben_vulpes, he was the first one who sent message from email actually matching his gpg pubkey :) [15:33]
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punkman assbot trust list (combined L1/L2), updated every 6 hours: http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/trust.json [15:36]
punkman jurov, what was the bug? [15:36]
jurov i did not understood mailman code [15:36]
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punkman jurov, I just sent a mail to the list [15:52]
punkman works http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-November/000006.html [15:52]
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bounce hooshit. zalman bust due to fraud. http://www.geek.com/chips/pc-cooling-specialist-zalman-goes-bankrupt-due-to-fraud-1608736/ [15:59]
assbot PC cooling specialist Zalman goes bankrupt due to fraud | Chips | Geek.com [15:59]
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jurov still not going through... brb later [16:12]
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asciilifeform h1b engineers << afaik none of the folks who specialize in whining on the subject have publicly written re: how the particular kind of 'engineering' now popular in usa and its colonies makes the use of coolie labour not only possible, but mandatory. [16:46]
asciilifeform see also 'deskilling.' (actual term of art) [16:46]
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mircea_popescu bounce interesting story. [16:55]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform you can't maintain intellectual dominance without political dominance, you can't maintain political dominance without social hierarchy. the us decided to scrap hierarchy. of fucking course it can no longer have intelligent people working in its workshops, whatever they may be. [16:58]
asciilifeform i'm just not seeing the 'scrapped hierarchy' thing [16:58]
asciilifeform that's rather like 'scrapped gravity' [16:58]
asciilifeform scrap gravity a hundred times, rocket somehow did not get the memo [16:58]
mircea_popescu the case study for this is renaissance france. [16:58]
bounce in spaaaaace [16:58]
mircea_popescu because france had a king and italy did not, it was able to import glassworks from france (and silk from china) and become a major producer, running it out of the market. [16:59]
mircea_popescu once france got rid of its king, it lost glass. [16:59]
asciilifeform and herr lavoisier. [17:00]
mircea_popescu back when shooting artillery upon the strikers was the publicly acceptable approach, ford and carnegie could dominate whole industries, and build the capital that's still to this day supporting us spending, that "full faith and credit". [17:00]
mircea_popescu once that was no longer the approach, the us was no longer noteworthy. [17:01]
mircea_popescu so... yeah. destructuring society -> deskilling economy. [17:01]
asciilifeform true, but not entirely connected to the h1b thing: [17:02]
asciilifeform who is being shipped in? it isn't factory grunts. [17:02]
mircea_popescu has entirely nothing to do with technology, as tardpedia emptily claims. [17:02]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i suspect the bulk of they shipped in are "luxury workers", which is to say cocksuckers. [17:03]
asciilifeform afaik it's 'java monkeys' [17:03]
asciilifeform and almost wholly male [17:03]
mircea_popescu cocksucking's not a gendered role. [17:03]
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asciilifeform if so, they're sucking a titanic phantom cock that never shoots its load [17:04]
mircea_popescu would brownnosers work better ? [17:04]
mircea_popescu "really placid and obedient people" ? [17:04]
asciilifeform 'good soldiers' - sure. but they're serving in an 'army' whose sole purpose appears to be 'painting the grass green.' [17:04]
mircea_popescu well, you know the joke with the sinking boat ? [17:06]
asciilifeform ? [17:06]
mircea_popescu seaworthy vessels work at going places ; sinking vessels work at staying afloat. [17:06]
asciilifeform ford, carnegie, et. al. worked at a tech level where perfectly-legit products required battalions of semi-skilled labourers [17:07]
mircea_popescu my proposition is that this is entirely besides the point. [17:08]
mircea_popescu counterintuitively enough. [17:08]
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asciilifeform the attempted point is that the h1b folks are quite analogous to 'zamac' [17:08]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform entertain this model for a second : [17:09]
asciilifeform the availability of zamac doesn't cause crud to be produced in lieu of genuine article. or does it? [17:09]
mircea_popescu suppose out of a hundred people, ninety-seven don't matter. ever. irrespective of any consideration, if god strikes them down tomorrow nothing happens. [17:09]
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mircea_popescu allowing this as a fact : that at point A the three that mattered used thirty others to dance the ramma-butta, whereas at point B the three that mattered simply stayed indoors and piled items on top of other items is not what's relevant. [17:10]
asciilifeform where i'm from we have catch phrase for this, "отряд не заметил потери бойца" [17:10]
mircea_popescu whether at point A the three were motivated to work and at point B they were not is the clou of the matter. [17:10]
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bounce quite a few rilly smrt people populating silly valley. they produce things like... "social networks" and many many cookie-cutter technology companies. it doesn't seem that h1b folks, no matter how smart or many, can hope to seriously dent that dominion [17:11]
mircea_popescu and so : technology has nothing to do with it. if the technology is "have 10 people do dances" or if the technology is "stay indoors and pile things" [17:11]
mircea_popescu what matters is : are you going to do it or aren't you. [17:11]
mircea_popescu to better understand this, consider doped uranium. some doped uranium is shaped in pellets, other doped uranium is shaped in bars. the only thing that actually matters is whether the uranium is doped with radioactive material or not. [17:12]
mircea_popescu what the DUP does is entirely irrelevant. [17:12]
asciilifeform doped? [17:12]
mircea_popescu not the best word. [17:12]
bounce druuuugs are baaaad, hmkay [17:12]
asciilifeform depleted? [17:12]
mircea_popescu nah. hm. [17:12]
bounce "enriched" [17:12]
bounce we're talking about upping the u238 content, wasn't it? [17:13]
mircea_popescu neither. for the purpose of the above, "doped uranium" = natural uranium ore. inert uranium with traces of radioactive uranium. [17:13]
asciilifeform traditional name is 'non-enriched' [17:13]
bounce s/238/235/ [17:14]
asciilifeform (U has no stable isotopes.) [17:14]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes, and in the sense that all uranium decays, all people are people and matter. [17:14]
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mircea_popescu might be there a loooong time tho. [17:14]
mircea_popescu what was it, 10k 10 100mn years half lifes ? [17:15]
bounce a little more [17:15]
asciilifeform 'A few years back, one dreadful boy ran up to me and said, “Mr. Bradbury?” “Yes?” I said. “That book of yours, The Martian Chronicles?” he said. “Yes,” I said. “On page 92 where you have the moons of Mars rising in the east?” “Yeah,” I said. “Nah,” he said. So I hit him. I’ll be damned if I’ll be bullied by bright children.' [17:16]
mircea_popescu myeah, 150k the lowest. aite... [17:16]
bounce 4.4e9 years for u238, 7e8 for u235 [17:16]
* bounce cheats with wikipedia [17:16]
mircea_popescu bounce 233 is 150k im pretty sure. [17:17]
mircea_popescu rare as shit, but for the sake of argument. [17:17]
bounce oh right. just about. [17:17]
bounce meaning that it's all new by now. [17:17]
mircea_popescu to try and heal this utterly scattered conversation : if you properly ignore most of society, the whole shebang depends on keeping the few that matter huming. if they hum too slow it cools and dies entirely. if they hum too fast it explodes, and you get a golden age. [17:19]
mircea_popescu in any case, whatever they need they get, and that means you'll issue hb1 visas to obedient indians if those are the only obedient people to be found. [17:19]
mircea_popescu harkens back to the entire "how come 300 milion usians living in the best world ever don't produce about 500 renoirs a year ?" [17:20]
mircea_popescu well... [17:20]
bounce that's an easy one to shoot down. if they need that they're no good themselves and you need better people who matter no matter what. [17:20]
mircea_popescu exactly how a plate of uranium glass may glow under uv light, but won't warm anything much. [17:20]
mircea_popescu bounce i don't follow this logic. [17:21]
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bounce leaders that can't lead lead to nowhere. if you can't anything but the meekest you're no good as a leader. [17:21]
punkman "we hired too many people, let's all make block explorers" https://github.com/bitpay/insight https://github.com/coinbase/toshi [17:21]
assbot bitpay/insight · GitHub [17:21]
assbot coinbase/toshi · GitHub [17:21]
mircea_popescu not a matter of leaders. [17:21]
mircea_popescu let's not confuse things. leaders are leaders, adonis-18 [17:22]
bounce it still stinks of running entirely on chumps, so all we got is a chumpatron. how does that matter? [17:23]
mircea_popescu i dunno what you're asking. [17:24]
bounce I think we started out trying for find some sort of raison d'etre for a steady stream of h1b-grantees, didn't we? [17:25]
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mircea_popescu i have a computer here, it runs this irc session. right next to it, i have a wooden box. it is ALSO MADE OF MOLECULES. it runs nothing. they form a society of the items in my house. they're all molecules. i wouldn't fucking notice if the entire fucking wooden box went away. [17:25]
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mircea_popescu god fucking help me if someone took away a single germanium atom. [17:26]
mircea_popescu so now : all these run entirely on quantum mechanics. the box and the cpu. this is directly equivalent to saying "stinks of running entirely on chumps, chumpatron". so ? [17:27]
bounce how? [17:27]
mircea_popescu "if you stab him, does he not bleed" === "all molecules run on qm" [17:28]
bounce inasmuch that a random motor block conducts electricity. sure, but that's not really the point of it being shaped like a motor. [17:29]
mircea_popescu okay... [17:29]
mats_cd03 http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-announce/2014q4/000358.html [17:29]
mircea_popescu the proposition that "all things that are carry purpose equally so" is fallacious, and for that matter gnoseosocialism! [17:30]
asciilifeform mats_cd03: i'm not seeing anything i actually want in there... [17:31]
punkman the ssh integration seems nice, but can be hacked together on earlier version I think [17:31]
punkman " The file "secring.gpg" is not anymore used to store the secretkeys." << so where did they put them? [17:32]
bounce shattered argument is shattered. also, brb gotta hug a tree. [17:32]
* asciilifeform knew it! mircea_popescu is running mirceabtc on soviet machine made of discrete germanium transistors! [17:33]
mircea_popescu bounce lol [17:33]
bounce the cloud maybe? (see new --extra-safe-honest flag) [17:33]
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punkman "Creation of X.509 certificates has been improved. It is now also possible to export them directly in PKCS#8 and PEM format for use on TLS servers." << anyone here tried to generate ssl certs with GPG yet? [17:35]
asciilifeform 'The Dirmngr is now part of GnuPG proper and also takes care of accessing keyserver.' << ahaha, we just luv new lib deps [17:35]
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bounce that'd be single-atom germanium 'tors. those wily soviets, keeping it secret all this time! [17:35]
mircea_popescu punkbot asciilifeform stop you two. we are NOT reimplementing gpg before bitcoind is done. [17:36]
* bounce generated a gpg key with openssl once. because gpg won't generate dsa keys != 1024 bits [17:36]
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bounce oh, so no matter what you do gpg now auto-starts an agent. [17:37]
mircea_popescu bounce you understand this serves no practical purpose yes ? [17:37]
bounce how... friendly. [17:37]
bounce er, AIUI it ought to work just fine most of the time, but I did it more to see if I could do it than anything else. [17:39]
asciilifeform to round off my argument (i'm about to drive off for a spell) the 'pliant, obedient people who gotta suck it up or the lights won't turn on' aren't the h1b folks. they're the phactory gurlz in shenzhen. [17:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8606 @ 0.00072923 = 6.2758 BTC [+] {2} [17:40]
asciilifeform the h1b folks are brought in mainly to churn out pseudoscientific papers (the ones i personally worked with at one point) and to crank out 'ruby on rails' and 'java' crud. [17:40]
mircea_popescu for one thing, dsa/elgamal uses dsa key for signing not encryption. for the other, the symmetric block cypher is not so very large anyway/ [17:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform why all of this ? [17:41]
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asciilifeform elgamal signature was removed on account of very simple fact of having been successfully broken. [17:42]
asciilifeform see http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.45.3347 [17:42]
assbot CiteSeerX — Generating ElGamal signatures without knowing the secret key [17:42]
bounce even with the shorter key the symmetric cipher is thought to be stronger than the asymmetric cipher [17:42]
asciilifeform 'thought' [17:43]
asciilifeform where are the 'thinkers' [17:43]
asciilifeform !s elliptic [17:43]
assbot 25 results for 'elliptic' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=elliptic [17:43]
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* mircea_popescu never trusted dsa anyway [17:44]
mircea_popescu http://lphoto1.ask.fm/453/619/198/910003027-1s773fl-e47199neshdsmf0/original/image.jpg << here's a happy goat just in case [17:44]
bounce that too [17:44]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform bounce anyway, i don't think we've really managed to talk of the same thing, so i guess this entire quesiton will come back in teh futures. [17:44]
bounce multiple times possibly. [17:45]
mircea_popescu anyway, re the thinkers : i'm pretty sure the symmetric cypher is currently the weakest link in our entire crypto stack. [17:46]
mircea_popescu which is why its replacement figured majorily in the prev discussion of bringing pgp implementation up to snuff [17:46]
mircea_popescu it's just not that much of a prioritah jet. [17:46]
bounce what're your indications for this? [17:47]
mircea_popescu full rsa. [17:47]
mircea_popescu symmetric cyphers are also socialist [17:48]
bounce oh. because socialism. right. [17:48]
mircea_popescu yup. [17:48]
bounce the gn00 guys also socialist. poettering not so much, though. why u no liek systemd? [17:49]
mircea_popescu it starts with s. [17:49]
mircea_popescu do you know WHAT ELSE does ? [17:49]
bounce the section between r and t in my dictionary [17:51]
mircea_popescu yeah. and stalin. [17:51]
bounce only because that other guy's name doesn't. doesn't make for a winning argument though. [17:52]
mircea_popescu you can't possibly be serious. [17:53]
bounce now how do I say "seelance, I keel yoo" in soviet russian? [17:54]
mircea_popescu are you the dead serrorist ? [17:55]
bounce not last I checked. my name doesn't start with an s either. [17:55]
mircea_popescu a you're ok then. ever stepped on a dead wasp ? [17:57]
bounce not that I recall. how so? [17:57]
mircea_popescu ;;google "Have you ever stepped on a dead bee" bacall [17:58]
gribble To Have and Have Not (1944) - Greatest Films: ; Walter Brennan - To Have And Have Not - YouTube: ; To Have and Have Not (film) - Wikiquote: [17:58]
bounce The Muppet Show: Sex and Violence (pilot) [17:59]
mircea_popescu fuck you google. [17:59]
mircea_popescu ;;google "ever stepped on a dead bee" bacall [17:59]
gribble Walter Brennan - To Have And Have Not - YouTube: ; To Have and Have Not (1944) - Greatest Films: ; To Have and Have Not (film) - Wikiquote: [17:59]
mircea_popescu aanyway. [17:59]
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bounce ah, this pop culture thing. too newfangled for me, I'm afraid. [18:00]
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z33andO_o I do not see this mentioned here, honeypot Silk Road 2 finally taken down by the FBI. No effect on dark net markets since it's market share was dvindling but it does mean the US government has managed to steal more BTC [18:27]
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z33andO_o https://twitter.com/NewYorkFBI/status/530386208099426304 https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/2lhasm/sr2_has_been_seized/ [18:27]
assbot Operator of Silk Road 2.0, Blake Benthall, arrested yesterday by FBI agents in San Francisco, CA [18:27]
assbot reddit.com: over 18? [18:27]
punkman how much did they take now? [18:28]
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mats_cd03 brilliant criminal masterminds [18:30]
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mircea_popescu z33andO_o not necessarily that much [18:35]
mircea_popescu !up valkenburgh [18:35]
-assbot- You voiced valkenburgh for 30 minutes. [18:35]
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z33andO_o We will just have to wait for some "news outlets" to tell us how much was in SR2 escrow at the time and how much this Benthall had personally (if they managed to steal his personal coins) [18:36]
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z33andO_o As I understand it they got the SR1 wallet by recovering a deleted unencrypted version of it, who knows if he learnt from that [18:36]
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z33andO_o Interesting: It is not just SR2, this is a coodinated. I took a brief look at the other darknet markets [18:43]
z33andO_o http://btccharts.everdot.org/2014-11-06/hydra.png <- also siezed [18:43]
z33andO_o and a few others are just down [18:44]
kakobrekla what is hydra? [18:45]
mircea_popescu z33andO_o you have to appreciate, wallets were originally unencrypted. but this was remedied many years ago, and before this thing got started. [18:46]
mircea_popescu anyone know hfc-125 caloric capacity offhand ? [18:47]
bounce LD50 of > 700k ppm at least. [18:52]
bounce http://www.firedot.com/FIKE/Ecaro/Ecaro-25_Accessories/Clean_Agent.pdf [18:52]
mircea_popescu caloric capacity. joules per kelvin [18:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00070232 = 7.7255 BTC [-] [18:53]
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ben_vulpes asciilifeform: db_cxx.h would have the bdb functions used across the bitcoind codebase, correct? [18:54]
ben_vulpes bitcoin* [18:54]
mircea_popescu 1,5mn [18:54]
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kakobrekla >irc: Used by irc daemons. A statically allocated user is needed only because of a bug in ircd, which SETUID()s itself to a given UID on startup. [19:10]
kakobrekla lolk [19:10]
bounce o_O what's the alternative, a dynamically allocated user? [19:11]
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z33andO_o https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/2lhin9/onymous_mega_thread_upvote_for_visibility/ if anyone cares. It is not just SR2 and Hydra, (almost) all DarkNet markets are either down or showing a siezure message. [19:13]
assbot reddit.com: over 18? [19:13]
kakobrekla what's the alternative, ship gnu/linux with predefined users for all possible programs? [19:13]
bounce eg. freebsd packages will create users as needed [19:14]
kakobrekla thats not static :D [19:15]
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asciilifeform http://cryptome.org/2014/11/wsj-germany-export.pdf [19:32]
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asciilifeform anyone know hfc-125 caloric capacity << lol! mircea_popescu is fermi-estimating miner cooling ? [19:38]
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mircea_popescu yah making a "whitepaper" [19:41]
asciilifeform http://www.fbi.gov/newyork/press-releases/2014/operator-of-silk-road-2.0-website-charged-in-manhattan-federal-court << preeet! [19:41]
assbot FBI — Operator of Silk Road 2.0 Website Charged in Manhattan Federal Court [19:41]
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asciilifeform ^ mr. bharara does not disappoint! grade-a roland freislerisms! [19:42]
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asciilifeform https://twitter.com/NewYorkFBI << mega-loltron [19:50]
assbot FBI New York (@NewYorkFBI) on Twitter [19:50]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo cazalla ^ [19:53]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla thats not static :D << the alternative is actually something a la usb drive mess discussed a week ago or so [19:53]
punkman https://twitter.com/NewYorkFBI/status/527129761077014528 [19:53]
assbot Congratulations to our colleagues /FBI for reaching 1M followers. /CIA, you have some work to do! [19:53]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform: db_cxx.h would have the bdb functions used across the bitcoind codebase, correct? <<< mmmmmmostly [19:55]
asciilifeform the bdbisms are soaked into just about all of it, though [19:55]
punkman is bdb used for anything other than the wallet? [20:02]
asciilifeform ah... [20:02]
mircea_popescu it's how the chain is stored/processed [20:03]
asciilifeform just read the damn thing. [20:03]
asciilifeform srsly, these questions. [20:03]
bounce "facebook user interface indistinguishable from facebook scams" -- and people keep on coming back [20:03]
mircea_popescu gotta support the team. [20:04]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu so its ok to ship with 'ircd' user and not 'www-data' user [20:07]
kakobrekla O_o [20:07]
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scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/a-humble-proposal-to-bitcoin-miners/ [20:10]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform ^ [20:14]
kakobrekla that will never work cause always idiots who will eat all margin possible [20:22]
mircea_popescu yeah, to have what to buy swarowsky encrusted buttdongs with [20:23]
kakobrekla buncha mining ops went down cause 1. too slow 2. margins too small [20:24]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/a-humble-proposal-to-bitcoin-miners/#comment-109643 [20:25]
assbot A humble proposal to Bitcoin miners pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [20:25]
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mircea_popescu answer't. [20:28]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/a-humble-proposal-to-bitcoin-miners/#comment-109647 [20:39]
assbot A humble proposal to Bitcoin miners pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [20:39]
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bounce ``in the last year or so, weve seen regulators such as the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) come out with guidelines. The challenge would be to not get over-regulated and kill innovation'' -- gavin. http://www.theregister.co.uk/Print/2014/11/06/bitcoin_remittance_unstable_currency_regulation/ [20:53]
assbot Bitcoin is GREAT and SAFE, says, er, the Bitcoin Foundation • The Register [20:53]
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BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2014/11/silk-road-2-0-seized-blake-benthall-arrested/ [21:21]
assbot Silk Road 2.0 Seized, Blake Benthall Arrested | Qntra.net [21:21]
BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2014/11/silk-road-2-0-seized-blake-benthall-arrested/ [21:22]
assbot Silk Road 2.0 Seized, Blake Benthall Arrested | Qntra.net [21:22]
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scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/silk-road-2-0-seized-blake-benthall-arrested/ [21:24]
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mats_cd03 ^ lol [21:24]
* BingoBoingo wonders why they drag all of these motherfuckers to New York for charging [21:26]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: 'cause that's where roland freisler^H^H^H^Hbharara lives [21:26]
BingoBoingo Almost like he's the aspersor Fuher or something. [21:27]
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asciilifeform !s freisler [21:33]
assbot 5 results for 'freisler' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=freisler [21:33]
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aegis agamemnon23 AlexWkz altoz AndrewJackson Anduck Apocalyptic arij artifexd asciilifeform assbot Azelphur [21:35]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform we dislike your zeolite sf stories! [21:35]
asciilifeform l0l [21:35]
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thestringpuller !up ilikebitbet [21:55]
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ilikebitbet hi, mod from bitbet here ? [21:56]
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kakobrekla you are a bitbet mod? [21:59]
ilikebitbet im looking for one [22:00]
kakobrekla speak up [22:00]
ilikebitbet i would love to see the expected winning amount in the confirmed bets list [22:01]
ilikebitbet maybe its possible for you guys :) [22:01]
kakobrekla hmm [22:02]
kakobrekla well id rather not write the current estimation that changes through time under 'btc out' column [22:03]
kakobrekla but i get where you are coming from [22:03]
punkman maybe I should make the calculator work on windows [22:05]
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mike_c ilikebitbet: that's actually being added to the bitbet analyzer on btcalpha, so you could check back there in a week or two. [22:06]
kakobrekla ah yeah , ilikebitbet have you seen http://bitbet.us/faq/#410 - see 'alternative interfaces' [22:06]
assbot FAQ BitBet [22:06]
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ilikebitbet kakobrekla, not seen, thank you :) [22:06]
kakobrekla its sad i have no place to write that on bb itself. totally user unfriendly. [22:08]
mike_c add it as a footnote [22:10]
thestringpuller ^- thought you were against footnotes :P [22:10]
mike_c i'm also against sarcasm. [22:11]
kakobrekla add it as a footnote < lucky i have an endless scroll [22:11]
mike_c oh.. that would be great trolling. footnotes at the bottom of an endless scroll :D [22:11]
kakobrekla :D [22:11]
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thestringpuller !s buterin's waterfall [22:15]
assbot 15 results for 'buterin's waterfall' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=buterin%27s+waterfall [22:15]
mike_c buterin + bfl + sr2 + buttstamp.. [22:21]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: regarding: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2014#833679 << What's so bad about a little trappin? As the first commandment of the Book of Jeezy says, "Don't get caught" [22:21]
thestringpuller ;;ud trapping [22:22]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trapping | Trapping is a form of dance explored by the inebriated. It involves the elevation of your forearms above your head trapping your face into an x formation while ... [22:22]
thestringpuller ;;ud trap star [22:22]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trap+star | trap star. one that is good at drug dealing, or someone that makes alot of money from drug dealing. See Trapper. Dat niggas sold so much weight this year, hes a  ... [22:22]
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rithm the dope house or dope spot can be referred to as the trap or a trap [22:23]
rithm so drug dealing itself is ironically referred to as a trap [22:24]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: didja miss http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2014#833687 [22:24]
assbot Logged on 18-09-2014 16:50:25; asciilifeform: 90% of my living expenses are not even payable in paper money. [22:24]
rithm or maybe that isn't irony at all [22:24]
thestringpuller it's not irony. whenever you get to the trap spot it's life or death man. [22:24]
thestringpuller gotta stay prayed up [22:24]
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kakobrekla !up ilikebitbet me too [22:25]
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thestringpuller asciilifeform: so you can't use laundered money to pay expenses (i.e. mortgage?) [22:26]
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asciilifeform thestringpuller: aha. (rent, though, no mortgage, but right.) [22:26]
thestringpuller but it would seem dealing BTC is similar to drug dealing inside the US [22:26]
kakobrekla hm [22:27]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: point is, i could (if studied, hah) trade btc for benjies. but then what. [22:27]
kakobrekla all my expenses (the little that i have) are payable in paper money. [22:27]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: light cigars with them? [22:27]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: http://www.mintpressnews.com/how-to-launder-drug-money-start-an-llc-and-buy-real-estate/168778/ [22:27]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: once you're on the radar, you're a walking corpse. [22:28]
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thestringpuller you can always build yourself a prison like pablo escobar [22:29]
xiando thestringpuller: Several US states claim that you need a money transmitter license to buy or sell BTC worth more than $300/year, search and you will find several cases of people being arrested for doing so. :-/ (not a joke) [22:29]
thestringpuller and "pretend to do time" [22:29]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: can always build yourself << why not build a nuke sub, then. if you can. [22:30]
thestringpuller then you go from being asciilifeform the engineer, to asciilifeform the kingpin [22:30]
thestringpuller don asciilifeform [22:31]
thestringpuller xiando: the concerning issue for me is the US OTC market will become as dangerous as drug dealing. If you need a duffelbag full of cash to complete the transaction, then I'd be more worried about rival gang members. [22:32]
asciilifeform i'm not a concert violinist either. everyone sticks to what he at least vaguely knows. [22:32]
asciilifeform and somehow everyone carefully missed my explanation for why even a successful btc to benjies converter is useless to me in particular. [22:32]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: well it may not be to say, Tito Lopez, or Tyrone who live in the hood. [22:34]
asciilifeform they - can solve own problem. more power to them. [22:34]
thestringpuller peculiar. we may find cartels moving into the US otc space if that is the case [22:35]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: you could always move to "the hood" and live under the radar. [22:36]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: i 'could' under same logic become an internationally-renowned violinist. or olympic athlete. or wtf else. [22:37]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: in practice - i am what i am. [22:37]
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thestringpuller I would pay for those tickets, and would support you! [22:37]
thestringpuller But alas, point taken. We are what we are. [22:38]
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asciilifeform thestringpuller: wanna chip in, chip in for my coffin, should i ever end up in a position where forced to attempt the above. [22:38]
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thestringpuller asciilifeform: as jay-z said, "Gave my life to the block, figured I get shot 'least I die on top" [22:41]
thestringpuller If the day ever comes where you want to switch professions from engineer to gangsta, I'm totally down to ride or die with you. Lets just hope it never comes to that ;) [22:42]
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asciilifeform for some reason, no one ever says 'when you suddenly switch profession to surgeon, i wanna be the first fella you cut open!' etc. [22:44]
asciilifeform but really, same idea. [22:45]
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bounce stick your fancy "research" paper in slideshare, so it's not really readable on screen and will only download on the very latest of browsers. share and enjoy! [23:27]
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mats_cd03 so thug [23:37]
BingoBoingo http://www.wired.com/2014/11/crypto-ipos/ [23:37]
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asciilifeform '...could affect promising Bitcoin 2.0 projects such as Ethereum, MaidSafe, and Counterparty.' << let rabid dogs breed, then shoot them. such victory. [23:39]
bounce you know, if the IRS says that virtual currencies aren't currencies, how can the SEC keep on claiming they are? [23:40]
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dub hahah garret [23:41]
dub what a goddamn disgraceful display of inbreeding that face is [23:41]
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bounce ``Other than Garrett Keirns, none of the companies that WIRED reached out to this week have received SEC letters. But some of them also also want to work with the SEC to make these technologies more widely available.'' -- this is going to carry a heavy price. [23:45]
thestringpuller dub: read your comment first then opened the page. hilarity ensued by great means. thank you for that. [23:46]
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dub those TEETH [23:47]
dub all 7 of them [23:48]
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thestringpuller Ugh Ethereum is so unnecessary. [23:54]
asciilifeform so very necessary. (to the enemy.) [23:54]
thestringpuller how they convinced the masses to contribute millions...i just will never understand [23:55]
thestringpuller we just have to wait for this all to explode before the go away like magicaltux? [23:57]
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