Forum logs for 05 Nov 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
asciilifeform johntraveller: the worst thing, arguably, that ever happened to mr mold, is the 'moldosphere' [00:00]
asciilifeform johntraveller: as i gather, he saw the quality of the 'followers' and went full perelman. [00:00]
bounce words of musing and distraction [00:00]
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johntraveller asciilifeform: yup, I’d agree with that. he himself said he had enough friends, he wanted better critics [00:00]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform strange that he tried to copy bitcoin but didn't manage to think of the assbot voice. [00:00]
mircea_popescu i suppose you put this under "no greek" [00:01]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: afaik he did not copy, initially, but marched on with his pre-2009 turdcoin [00:01]
asciilifeform i could've easily went there. [00:01]
asciilifeform along with 1000 other people [00:01]
asciilifeform i'm still waiting to hear about someone other than mr mold, who did this [00:02]
mircea_popescu perhaps i overstate. but fuck it, someone's gotta. [00:02]
mircea_popescu this is a point. [00:02]
asciilifeform other thing is, when reading his 'i'm a surrender monkey, usg cannot be killed' posts, must remember that he's a 'tenured sea cucumber' in the sense that he keeps a dependopotamus, it birthed children, and he knows he won't be making it out of the gravity pit. [00:03]
* mircea_popescu avoids starting a rant on the topic as he's ranted recently and is well rantsated :D [00:04]
asciilifeform i think mircea_popescu already did this essay [00:04]
asciilifeform !s cuckolding [00:04]
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asciilifeform that one. [00:05]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i have this earlier convo burnished in my memory, me: "you know, it's quite possible you'll die there" op: "eh, fuckit. i'm too old anyway." me: "you're twenty four!" [00:06]
johntraveller asciilifeform: yeah. I also get the sense he hasn’t travelled much. living abroad makes it much easy to see your own cultural matrix, so to speak [00:06]
mircea_popescu guy had a pretty gf and a two year old kid. too old, iho. [00:06]
asciilifeform johntraveller: afaik his stepfather, usg diplomat, dragged him to several places around the empire [00:07]
asciilifeform cyprus, he wrote about, possibly elsewhere [00:07]
mircea_popescu johntraveller so where've you been ? [00:08]
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johntraveller asciilifeform: oh yeah, you’re right. my theory was that people like MP or taleb, who grew up in somewhat sane cultures, instinctively see the craziness of anglo-american ideas. if you grew up in the english speaking world it’s harder to see that [00:09]
mircea_popescu on the plus side, it's very easy to see the craziness of romanian o wait. nope. listen, somehow english speakers had a lot of trouble figuring out exactly how and exactly where ro nonsense was broken, back in the 90s. [00:10]
asciilifeform johntraveller: outside of the anglo world, there is (or at least, until recently, was) a bacchanalia of xenophiliac idiocy ('let's copy usa! they have cadillacs and we have trabant, they must be clever') [00:10]
johntraveller mircea_popescu: spent a couple of years in china and a year in HK, visited malaysia, india, tibet, phillipines, algeria and a bunch of european coutnries [00:10]
mircea_popescu o hey nice! do you speak chinese ? [00:10]
asciilifeform !s luxor business center [00:10]
assbot 0 results for 'luxor business center' : [00:10]
johntraveller kinda though I’m a bit rusty [00:11]
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mircea_popescu you looking for work ? we still need chinese coverage. [00:11]
johntraveller mircea_popescu: not looking for work but definitely open to btc-related projects [00:12]
mircea_popescu johntraveller one major thing is that qntra doesn't/can't quite follow chinese language news atm. if you can bridge that gap there's glory in there. [00:12]
BingoBoingo ^ [00:12]
BingoBoingo Definitely a glory hole in qntra's coverage there [00:13]
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jurov today is the ipo, tomorrow is GLORY [00:14]
mircea_popescu also i wish it entered into the record that romania was at no point during its ~2500ish year history sane. not ever. [00:14]
johntraveller mircea_popescu: so I’m moving back to china in a couple of weeks. (working with my russian friend on a bunch of mobile-related projects). depending on how much money there is in it, my 1st thought is find a local finance student who could research/write part-time? [00:14]
asciilifeform china projects << gonna build iPnohes? [00:15]
bounce if you can find someone with decent english [00:15]
jurov johntraveller: the qntra writers are rewarded by shares [00:16]
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bounce what sort of projects? [00:16]
johntraveller sadly not that exciting. mostly stuff around mobile marketing. my friend is the kind of guy involved in multiple pies though [00:17]
mircea_popescu johntraveller fluent foreigner is usually a better model than local esl, but maybe worth a shot. [00:17]
* bounce has a phone spec in mind that could stand building [00:17]
johntraveller mircea_popescu: hmm, maybe I should organise a couple local guys to do research and I write it up in english? [00:17]
mircea_popescu that may be a steamrollin' arrangement. [00:18]
mircea_popescu bounce o.o. secret spec ? [00:18]
bounce totally [00:18]
chetty [00:18]
assbot Gas now cheaper than milk - New York News [00:18]
mircea_popescu chetty well, you can snif gas. [00:18]
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bounce more like, have a couple drafts laying around, should probably try and merge them [00:19]
mircea_popescu bounce aren't phones one of those things you gotta make 1mn units min ? [00:19]
rithm milk per-gallon has always been relatively high priced [00:20]
chetty I would go for a phone I knew didnt have n*a in it [00:20]
bounce have shop run up a sample or two and I'd be happy really [00:20]
asciilifeform chetty: much of what folks object to re: phones happens on the tower end. [00:21]
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mircea_popescu ^ [00:21]
asciilifeform chetty: the only exception, really, is the 'pwned phone listens at all times' and 'pwned phone dumps www/mail logins to pwner' [00:21]
bounce yes, and to fix that you'd really need to redesign the protocol [00:21]
chetty true, but we do what little we can ...(mostly I use the off button atm) [00:21]
bounce you could make a phone that gives you as much insight and control as available; this is quite a bit more than currently available. [00:22]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform if mail is used correctly (send/received armored gpg blobs) this yields no further information than already available. [00:22]
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mircea_popescu ;;rated johntraveller [00:23]
bounce and do a network side that isn't as full of holes as the current crop, and do proper separation, and provide a full off of the wireless side while leaving the other functions available, and so on. [00:23]
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mircea_popescu ;;rated johntraveller 1 voice. [00:23]
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mircea_popescu ;;rate johntraveller 1 voice. [00:23]
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mircea_popescu johntraveller voice yerself. [00:23]
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mircea_popescu bounce i'd be happy with os stacks that didn't make world depend on internet etc. [00:24]
mircea_popescu much easier to do, still undone. [00:24]
mircea_popescu [00:24]
assbot Ubuntu is a worse piece of shit than MS-DOS ever was. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [00:24]
mircea_popescu "There is no motherfucking reason conceivable or inconceivable that should depend on netbase." i say! [00:24]
bounce needs to die, more or less [00:25]
mircea_popescu how about compiz ? [00:25]
mircea_popescu gdm ? [00:25]
mircea_popescu gvfs ? [00:25]
thestringpuller lol compiz always reminded me of macs [00:26]
mircea_popescu for good reason. [00:27]
kakobrekla it seems i found 'the no guy' > [00:28]
assbot BitBet Stats [00:28]
mircea_popescu 10% not bad [00:28]
kakobrekla imma guess its someone from ba [00:29]
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mircea_popescu johntraveller to voice yourself, pm assbot !up [00:31]
johntraveller thanks, I did already, was just reading more about qntra [00:32]
mircea_popescu ah cool. [00:32]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if mail is used correctly << consequences of hijacked mailbox are still ugly [00:38]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: esp. given all the idiot www gadgets that don't use pgp, and allow mail-based pw resets [00:38]
asciilifeform e.g., fiat banks, www hosts, public utilities [00:38]
mircea_popescu ah, the blessings of not actually using any of those. [00:38]
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asciilifeform even in the most elementary case, using none of these, pwner can lock you out of own mailbox [00:39]
asciilifeform not necessarily fatal, but quite unpleasant if that was your sole means of contact with somebody. [00:40]
asciilifeform he can also 'be you' to any moron who isn't asking for pgp sig, and impersonate, and summon gasenwagen, etc. [00:40]
mircea_popescu you really should own the box. [00:40]
asciilifeform which box? [00:40]
asciilifeform mail server? sure. [00:40]
mircea_popescu mail@box [00:40]
asciilifeform but original thread was about the perils of pNohes [00:41]
johntraveller bounce: a dutch entrepreneur in the city I’m moving to had his own tablet built a few years back [00:41]
asciilifeform the kind which contain login creds [00:41]
bounce cost? [00:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah, i got nothin'. [00:41]
chetty dont use fingerprint, usg says you have no privacy rights with those [00:42]
asciilifeform 'own tablet' - means what? own chipset, nothing from 'arm' ? own os, from zero? [00:42]
mircea_popescu you know, ever since the photo debate with bounce a few days ago, i'm kinda curious to see this photography drone gadget. imagine all the YOLO picutres taken by this orbiting drone thing. [00:42]
mircea_popescu + much better homemade porn [00:42]
asciilifeform chetty: afaik the 'fingerprint' pnohes are intended to keep the common pickpocket out of your cached logins, until you can send remote-zap command [00:42]
mircea_popescu how much would this cost to make ? [00:42]
asciilifeform chetty: rather than serious enemy [00:43]
bounce drone with camera is pretty much COTS? [00:43]
mircea_popescu bounce but one specifically optimised for the role of following you around taking pictures of things. like a sort of gopro with ai. [00:44]
asciilifeform the typical flight time of the various extant machines is about half hour. [00:44]
ben_vulpes + much better homemade porn << noisy as shit though [00:44]
asciilifeform then, 4-5 hrs. of charger. [00:44]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes "if you can hear Shooty you're not fucking her right" as a slogan ? [00:44]
asciilifeform can mitigate, to some extent, with a return-to-base and cell swap gambit [00:44]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform better yet, thing should know where the batteries are kept, fly over, change ITSELF. let the spare charge. [00:45]
asciilifeform at some point, some joker somewhere will build the one that latches onto and inductively charges from aerial mains cables [00:45]
asciilifeform bringing the inevitable chaos [00:45]
mircea_popescu shit that's a great idea. [00:45]
mircea_popescu omfg now i really want one. [00:46]
asciilifeform they'll be retrofitted with mumetal shields, at ruinous public expense, i bet [00:46]
mircea_popescu THIS will be the next step in b-a terrorism. [00:46]
bounce that'd be entirely out of spite, not for actual need [00:46]
mircea_popescu bounce spite is the only real engine of human progress. [00:46]
asciilifeform kinder, gentler option: streetlights [00:46]
bounce those things aren't loss-free [00:46]
johntraveller bounce: dunno about cost. I don’t think he went especially ‘custom’, though lots of chinese firms have been making custom handsets with custom android mods. [00:47]
asciilifeform streetlight, unlike sol, is a very concentrated source of light [00:47]
asciilifeform easy to charge from. [00:47]
asciilifeform custom android mods << lol. snore. [00:47]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform think about it, a cop-filming, revenge-porn-making, electrictity stealing personal dronepet! [00:47]
johntraveller asciilifeform: maybe some chinese kid will try and build his own lisp machine. sadly they’re not there yet [00:47]
asciilifeform johntraveller: chinese kid with semiconductors plant. [00:48]
mircea_popescu they exist. [00:48]
asciilifeform johntraveller: and own logic cell library, own synthesis toolchain. [00:48]
* bounce would want (feature)phone hardware with full access and docs, add s/w myself [00:48]
asciilifeform can exist, why not [00:48]
asciilifeform on the moon, perhaps a piece of fine roquefort cheese exists. [00:48]
ben_vulpes why not just do it with sdr? [00:48]
bounce of the feature phone OS kind, no full linux and shit [00:48]
mircea_popescu bounce afaik there is still no good phone os [00:49]
asciilifeform full access and docs << strictly banned in usa (and possibly eu) [00:49]
mircea_popescu there's either android, samsung retarded linux port or mac-whatever that is. [00:49]
ben_vulpes why should there be a "phone" object instead of a thing one plugs into computers that provides a /dev/phone? [00:49]
bounce well, that's why you order the things built in shenzen [00:49]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: /dev/phone right here! [00:49]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes so you want your phone to be irc ? [00:49]
asciilifeform chicom dongles, about $10 in qty. 1 [00:50]
asciilifeform closed firmware though. but they take 'hayes modem' commands and present a pcm device for voice. [00:50]
ben_vulpes i want to hook into the cell network from my laptop; make/receive calls etc [00:50]
mircea_popescu (why would someone with a computer use a phone) [00:50]
* bounce is initially thinking of something like the 6310, only updated hardware. can easily still be b/w lcd. no need for fancy shit there. [00:50]
ben_vulpes you're all right [00:51]
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asciilifeform why would someone with a computer use a phone << dial-up from phonebooth in $turdworldshithole ? [00:51]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform uhm. [00:51]
mircea_popescu anywhere has cable by now. [00:51]
asciilifeform fallback comms for cut fiber? [00:51]
bounce heck, put a e-ink display on it. though those exist in sorta-colour too [00:51]
asciilifeform quite a few folks have wireless gizmos for fallback [00:51]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform but you'd use the "phone" to push text anyway. [00:51]
asciilifeform phone does not presume voice. [00:52]
bounce nope. plenty of places have nothing but dialup over rusty barbed wire [00:52]
mircea_popescu i dunno, maybe i'm weird, but the only actual point of calling, ie voice, would be a woman, and rather than call (ie, on phone) i'd always prefer to call (ie, bitch get on plane) [00:52]
bounce yeah, you are [00:52]
mircea_popescu you all grew up in crazy places! [00:53]
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asciilifeform cat bitch_number_hayes.txt >> bitch_get_on_phone.wav >> /dev/phone [00:53]
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bounce 'sides, the point of building a phone is to have access to all the capabilities on offer with the networks it gives access to [00:53]
asciilifeform wai wat? [00:53]
mircea_popescu but canonical form is gpg --encrypt --armor -r bitch "get on plane" | curl --post [00:54]
bounce so I'd have modem and fax support as well as voice and sms and whatnot. whether you use it is up to you. [00:54]
asciilifeform fax?! [00:54]
mircea_popescu srsly. fax ?! [00:55]
bounce yes, absolutely. [00:55]
mircea_popescu why not teletype ? [00:55]
asciilifeform telex! [00:55]
mircea_popescu yeah that one. [00:55]
bounce sure. though +/- 30v is a bit of a pain. and anyway, nobody does that these days, you'd interface through a 'net gateway somewhere. [00:55]
mircea_popescu unlike fax ?! [00:55]
bounce but having "an app" to talk to such a gateway would be on the list [00:56]
mircea_popescu bounce you seriously duly received an actual fax in the course of business ? [00:56]
mircea_popescu no monkey business and no funny stuff mind you! [00:56]
bounce I sent a couple [00:56]
mircea_popescu so did i. both to... uspto! of all places [00:56]
mircea_popescu because idiots. [00:56]
* asciilifeform keeps a fax in consulting office. it is used only for usg. [00:56]
mircea_popescu right. [00:56]
asciilifeform afaik no one else bothers with fac [00:57]
asciilifeform fax [00:57]
mircea_popescu fux [00:57]
asciilifeform facks. [00:57]
bounce used a faxmodem. good for talking to gov't but also for bypassing phone queues [00:57]
bounce instead of waiting in the queue, write letter, fax, get reception receipt [00:57]
bounce carries law protection and the receipt is valid in court [00:57]
bounce so yeah, fax. [00:57]
* mircea_popescu folds. [00:58]
asciilifeform incidentally, i bet there's still a battalion at ft meade in charge of curating a library of sploits for fax machines. [00:58]
asciilifeform i bet they're just dying of boredom. won't somebody help. [00:58]
bounce I don't *plan* on using that sort of thing, but if I'm building a phone it's gotta have the capability [00:58]
bounce just like it needs csd for dialup as well as crypto voice support [00:58]
mircea_popescu the "i don't plan to use the capability" thing makes me wonder : isn't it strange that "infertility" isn't the leading thing in dating sites and comedian's routines re dating sites ? [00:59]
mircea_popescu gals want a guy that's funny and whatever, guy wants a girl that's infertile. [00:59]
asciilifeform go verify. [00:59]
bounce apropos, fax is still popular in japan, apparently. great for quick sketches and notes. take picture, fax. sure why not. [00:59]
mircea_popescu i should have heard this joke to death by now, neh ? [00:59]
mircea_popescu bounce that's because their language fucking sucks. [01:00]
mircea_popescu by the time you explain what you want you could have drawn it five times over. [01:00]
bounce more reason to support it then [01:00]
mircea_popescu you are aware i folded in utter defeat like fifty lines up yes ? [01:00]
* dub has had to fax in the last couple of years [01:00]
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bounce there's a bigger pattern here though [01:01]
asciilifeform 'reflection technologies' had, around 1990, a prototype of a pocket phone that sent, received faxes, and view through ocular [01:01]
asciilifeform (similar to this one, also theirs, ) [01:01]
assbot Parallel Port Interface to the Private Eye P4 Head-Mounted Display [01:01]
asciilifeform afaik went nowhere. [01:01]
dub telco still goes to retarded lengths to maintain fax compat [01:02]
asciilifeform even voip lines from various carriers work fine at 14.4kbaud. [01:02]
* asciilifeform verified this personally [01:02]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform i think that's mandated, buried in the license language somewhere 500 pages deep [01:02]
asciilifeform although, on second thought, not sure if it was pumping the full 14.4. there's auto-rate in there. [01:03]
asciilifeform 'POTS' (voice telephone) service exists pretty much at the decree of usg, mainly for its own purposes [01:03]
asciilifeform (in usa, naturally) [01:03]
asciilifeform even the automagic bugging machine mandated at every telco switch is specified, in grindingly pedantic detail, in a dead tree standards doc [01:04]
asciilifeform incidentally, these are usually accessed via www now, and quite a few have been loudly pwned [01:04]
mircea_popescu even more, silently. [01:05]
asciilifeform (gone are the days when a live monkey had to plug a tape recorder into your pair) [01:05]
mircea_popescu which is why the "terrorist" members of the public don't want the government to have "capabilities" [01:05]
bounce IIRC they demodulate the fax and send the data over voip, then remodulate on the other end (or just hand you the fax data, if they can) [01:06]
asciilifeform bounce: it's all packets, probably less than 1km from where you stand. [01:06]
BingoBoingo 'own tablet' - means what? own chipset, nothing from 'arm' ? own os, from zero? << From slate with frame is a couple hours, input device is chalk [01:07]
bounce yeah, but "packets" with modulated fax signal in a sampled-and-compressed voice channel is rather tricky to get right. better to demodulate the fax and send the data. [01:08]
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pete_dushenski [01:15]
assbot Let’s Cut To The Chase, Is La Serenissima A Cult? | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski [01:15]
mircea_popescu o hey. [01:15]
mircea_popescu well... it's a culture... [01:15]
pete_dushenski my nearest meatspace approximation is the masons w/o the symbols [01:16]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu tis certainly a culture [01:16]
pete_dushenski and one with a structure quite unfamiliar to the western reader [01:17]
pete_dushenski so like everything else bad and trolling and terrorist mkay, it's hard to distinguish it from a cult [01:17]
pete_dushenski a cult of course being conventiently ill defined [01:18]
pete_dushenski and at 3000 words, this makes the longest piece yet on the pages of contravex [01:18]
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mircea_popescu The government tries to minimize publicity about the names of agents investigating cases involving potentially violent criminals. "The information (about agents) he gave out might threaten somebody's safety -- the information that he broadcast could imperil somebody," Ashman said. [01:22]
mircea_popescu cute huh. [01:22]
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mircea_popescu police breaking down door, which obviously imperils someone - such as the random bystander, is a-ok. naming agents however MIGHT imperil someone, such as an asshole abusing his offical status to powerplay. this is very un-ok. [01:24]
mircea_popescu fatlogic. [01:24]
pete_dushenski fatstatelogic [01:26]
pete_dushenski << this morin kid just keeps motorin' [01:29]
assbot Tête-À-Tête With A Neo-National Socialist | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski [01:29]
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mircea_popescu pete_dushenski i thought you two were irl buddies or something [01:32]
pete_dushenski he's from around here and i recognize the name... [01:33]
pete_dushenski just can't put a face to it [01:33]
mircea_popescu aha. [01:33]
mircea_popescu i guess i should start a special service. "for only one small pile of internet funbux, i will viciously insult one commenter on your blog entirely out of left side. cheaper than hiring indians to write comments, funnier too." [01:34]
pete_dushenski lol you'd be oversubscribed and end up closing mpex to focus on this "real work" [01:35]
mircea_popescu yeah i guess ima have to keep doing it on an amateur basis. [01:35]
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pete_dushenski god this hotel lounge is fucking perfect, even if this old fashioned is watered down [01:36]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu even funbux corrupt. prolly better this way. [01:36]
pete_dushenski cazalla BingoBoingo [01:38]
assbot Fredrik Neij, Pirate Bay co-founder, arrested in Thailand - World - CBC News [01:38]
pete_dushenski ^ thestringpuller [01:38]
mircea_popescu o.O [01:38]
jurov did anyone try to send patches as decribed on btc-dev page? [01:38]
ben_vulpes several days ago [01:38]
ben_vulpes it worked so i didn't poke at it further [01:39]
jurov ben_vulpes: but i added the rules only yesterday [01:39]
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jurov ben_vulpes and what about the move to or such? [01:39]
mircea_popescu "Regional Immigration Police Commissioner Maj. Gen. Chartchai Eimsaeng said a U.S.-based movie association had hired a Thai lawyer to search for Neij, and his photo had been given to immigration police in Nong Khai." herp. [01:39]
* ben_vulpes cries [01:39]
ben_vulpes so many things [01:39]
ben_vulpes w/r/t domain, do you have nameservers [01:40]
ben_vulpes ? [01:40]
jurov i can set up [01:40]
ben_vulpes plz do then tell mircea_popescu what they are and (pretty please) he will configure records appropriately [01:41]
jurov what is the domain exactly? [01:41]
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cazalla mircea_popescu, i have a look later this arvo, things to do this morning [01:42]
mircea_popescu !up themediator [01:44]
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pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: why not decide alberta is from now on 600ad byzantine style. << because progress. it's completely tragic how badly alberta's original building stock has been treated. perfectly lovely neoclassical buildings are now surface parking lots. [01:44]
pete_dushenski and in 600ad, even 1850ad, it was just... teepees [01:44]
mircea_popescu teepees are better for the environment! [01:45]
mircea_popescu make them out of plastic! [01:45]
pete_dushenski or the skins of your enemies. either way [01:47]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes jurov dns updated. [01:47]
ben_vulpes sweet! ty mircea_popescu [01:49]
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pete_dushenski << lawlsky! [02:00]
assbot BitBet - Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) Feb 2015 to drop under $70 before 2015 :: 4.11 B (46%) on Yes, 4.77 B (54%) on No | closing in 1 month 1 week| weight: 76`078 (100`000 to 1) [02:00]
asciilifeform cult << incidentally, mathematics (as a professional or even amateur pursuit) fits more or less every extant definition of 'cult' [02:01]
asciilifeform (just one example) [02:02]
pete_dushenski interesting to note [02:02]
asciilifeform the maniacal fuhrer position is, afaik, open at the moment [02:02]
asciilifeform but was filled in the past (e.g., pythagoras) [02:02]
pete_dushenski probably one in a generation/century/millenium type of thing [02:03]
asciilifeform [02:04]
assbot The Mathematics Genealogy Project - Welcome! [02:04]
asciilifeform ^ behold and quiver. [02:04]
asciilifeform (spoiler: pretty much everyone who is known to matter, is in leibniz, gauss, etc. 'wot.') [02:04]
thestringpuller if sim city has taught me anything: cut taxes to 0, make factories everywhere and have them pay the bills [02:05]
* asciilifeform l0lz at serenissima cult essay, where he is listed as 'expert' [02:07]
pete_dushenski so jurov, how do i transfer my s.qntra to coinbr? id by incoming btc address? [02:08]
pete_dushenski ;;ident [02:08]
gribble Nick 'pete_dushenski', with hostmask 'pete_dushenski!~pete_dush@unaffiliated/pete-dushenski/x-8158685', is identified as user 'pete_dushenski', with GPG key id 165749929F9A6BDD, key fingerprint E6625CC14638C4CA404694E9165749929F9A6BDD, and bitcoin address None [02:08]
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pete_dushenski today's btc pizza crumbs are tomorrow's empire! [02:10]
ben_vulpes everyone loves a live fire test [02:10]
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asciilifeform google usenet search dead?! [02:11]
asciilifeform old posts load, but no way afaik to find them now. [02:11]
asciilifeform i suppose this was inevitable. the moldbug generation wants to run for u.s. office... [02:12]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform you weren't supposed to read that! [02:12]
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pete_dushenski seekrit expert is best expert [02:12]
pete_dushenski lol i meant the cult expert bit. a well [02:13]
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pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: for some reason saying no is harder in -assets. << cult! [02:17]
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mircea_popescu the maniacal fuhrer position is, afaik, open at the moment << was shockley's transistor a cult ? [02:18]
mircea_popescu incidentally, one of the most cultish cults were the ancient order of pythagoreans [02:18]
mircea_popescu even had a convention to blame it all on satoshi. [02:18]
asciilifeform mentioned for this reason. [02:18]
asciilifeform sqrt(2) ! [02:18]
mircea_popescu shit you said that already. nm. [02:18]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform> (spoiler: pretty much everyone who is known to matter, is in leibniz, gauss, etc. 'wot.') << in this sense, the hungarian number = crude wot. [02:20]
asciilifeform aha. [02:20]
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mircea_popescu pete_dushenski "you can never say only say true things" eh ? [02:21]
mircea_popescu jurov apparently he wants to tattoo it on his body too. [02:22]
jurov yea i heard it [02:22]
mircea_popescu something something magic packets something something internet funbutts. [02:22]
asciilifeform re: maths wot << it is important to understand why this happens. [02:22]
ben_vulpes spoilsports and haters, all of you [02:23]
asciilifeform even the successful crackpots (at least, the ones publicly known about) were never more than a few steps away from a 'trunk line' wot mentor. [02:23]
mircea_popescu question for the group : [02:23]
asciilifeform not that this is any kind of gurantee. s. ramanujan is a tragic figure for a reason. [02:24]
mircea_popescu if everyone gets that tattooed, say on their butt, is the b-a more like a) a cult with weird body mod overtones ; b) a gaggle of ditzy teenaged girls (and therefore, a buncha fags) ; c) none of the above ? [02:24]
* asciilifeform sizes up for 'spoilsports and haters, all of you' tatoo [02:25]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu well, that's embarassing... [02:25]
mircea_popescu not that many penises around long enough for that. maybe if in chinese script ? [02:25]
mircea_popescu end up with "dogsons of broken soup bowl" or something. [02:25]
asciilifeform microdot. [02:25]
pete_dushenski qr code [02:26]
pete_dushenski or base58 hash [02:26]
mircea_popescu pubic qr codes, with porn in them [02:26]
mircea_popescu that's happening. [02:26]
mircea_popescu if sim city has taught me anything: cut taxes to 0 << srsly, you too ?! [02:27]
asciilifeform at the risk of bringing everyone back to childhood msdos 'hello world': what's the smallest bitwise recognizable porn? [02:27]
asciilifeform any encoding. [02:27]
mircea_popescu ( . ) ( . ) [02:27]
BingoBoingo if everyone gets that tattooed, say on their butt, is the b-a more like a) a cult with weird body mod overtones ; b) a gaggle of ditzy teenaged girls (and therefore, a buncha fags) ; c) none of the above ? < b [02:27]
BingoBoingo P [02:27]
asciilifeform 8=> [02:27]
mircea_popescu that's not long enough to be porn [02:27]
BingoBoingo 69 [02:27]
mircea_popescu also it's spelled 8==D [02:27]
asciilifeform nope, that's a sapper's spade. [02:28]
mircea_popescu my point exactly. [02:28]
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BingoBoingo Gotta dig out all of those panty mines [02:28]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo owns a sapper spade? [02:28]
asciilifeform there's an american firm, iirc, that makes passable copies of the classic ru one [02:28]
mircea_popescu summary of pete_dushenski last piece : "cult member casually examines the possibility of being in a cult, comes back negative." [02:29]
pete_dushenski << saf is on a roll atm. loving these comments [02:29]
assbot Software Doesn’t Fail. Socialism Does. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski [02:29]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu ayup. [02:29]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Have two poor quality "trenching tools" have a strong preference for actual shovels though. [02:29]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: avoid the ones with folding handles. [02:30]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu that means it's still working, neh? [02:30]
mircea_popescu lol fishy smell [02:30]
BingoBoingo Oh, how I've learned that, worthless for unburying potatoes [02:30]
mircea_popescu tuna doesn't smell like fish! [02:30]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: actual shovel, like actual computer, is not field-portable. [02:30]
PeterL mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: look at Detroit: high taxes, city is crumbling - Detroit Suburbs: lower taxes, flourishing [02:30]
pete_dushenski tuna smells like moose? [02:30]
mircea_popescu PeterL you don't understand how the world works! [02:30]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski tuna doesn't smell. everything else does. [02:31]
PeterL enlighten me? [02:31]
asciilifeform amines. [02:31]
mircea_popescu PeterL it's an expression, referencing the case when putin handed obimbo's butt to him for the nth time and the english propaganda yelled "putin doesn't understand how the world works!" [02:31]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo: actual shovel, like actual computer, is not field-portable. << Depends on the size of field, and on whether or not portage enhancers are available [02:32]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu well if i came back positive in my assessment, i'd send myself down the post-partum path. wasn't really in the mood for that. [02:32]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: knapsack. [02:32]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski better question for your next one : is being a libtard a cult ? how about dating, is that a cult ? [02:33]
mircea_popescu plenty of cults abound! [02:33]
asciilifeform 'is it still a cult if the comet is parked in orbit and the magical juice will take you there?' [02:33]
asciilifeform ;;google treason never prospers for the reason [02:33]
gribble Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? Why if it prosper ...: ; Treason - Wikiquote: ; John Harington (inventor) - Wikiquote: [02:33]
mircea_popescu PeterL use example, dude tries to open a door by bashing his head against it. bystander "that's not how you open doors" other bystander to first bystander "you don't understand how the world works!" [02:34]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu not sure about dating but libtardism, scientism, nationalism... examples are endless [02:34]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo: knapsack. << When restricted to a knapsack I dunno that digging anything bigger than a hole to bury turds should be a bigger priority than evading the force restricting you to a knapsack [02:34]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: man with sapper spade can entrench himself in less than an hour. [02:34]
mircea_popescu and dig his own grave in ~2. [02:35]
jurov << mathematicians' wot [02:35]
assbot Erdős number - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [02:35]
asciilifeform dig his grave << they usually give you the spade. [02:35]
mircea_popescu jurov yeah, "the hungarian number" [02:35]
BingoBoingo << mathematicians' wot << My two math professors in Undergrad were a 3, and a Nope [02:36]
assbot Erdős number - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [02:36]
asciilifeform what's a 'nope' ? never published at all? [02:36]
mircea_popescu quoth pete_dushenski the acolyte : [02:37]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Never published anything co-authored, because he was in a weird niche [02:37]
assbot Let’s Cut To The Chase, Is La Serenissima A Cult? | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski [02:37]
mircea_popescu Then, as always happens when one is freed from the banality of the familiar, I found myself with some spare time during a vacation in Mazatlán. Then, there, just like that, the pieces began falling into place. I actually sat down to read the #b-a logs and there I saw conversations unfolding before my very eyes that gave context to Trilema, that gave context to Bitcoin, and that were were so tearfully, blessedly, beaut [02:37]
mircea_popescu ifully over my head that I couldn’t read anything else for weeks. As someone always hunting for an intellectually challenge, I’d never seen anything even remotely like #b-a. At once technical, philosophical, political, and outrageous, it was like a gift wrapped for someone else, and yet just for me. [02:37]
* asciilifeform has seen 'anything even remotely like #b-a.' but they're all dead. [02:38]
BingoBoingo !b 1 [02:38]
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mircea_popescu i has seen idem, idem. [02:38]
* pete_dushenski accepts mircea_popescu's pat on head [02:38]
pete_dushenski graciously! [02:39]
asciilifeform when do we get on with one of us proving p==np and the others throwing him off a boat? [02:39]
* BingoBoingo had in addition to math prof with Erdos of nope, an econ professor with an office in the loft of the campus's old barn [02:39]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform stop trying to break things and write me an email. [02:39]
* asciilifeform hopes he isn't the only one to get the ref [02:39]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform> when do we get on with one of us proving p==np and the others throwing him off a boat? << I have a feeling this is like weaponized bitcoind, if you have it best to keep it concealed [02:40]
mircea_popescu "The new Foundation, the new deeds system, a real Bitcoin news site, and more" << only the stuff of the past month gets a mention because the previous stuff is so ingrained by now it's like a skin. [02:40]
mircea_popescu typically cultish behaviour. [02:41]
pete_dushenski salience! [02:42]
mircea_popescu shit fuck piss motherfucker and tits! this bastard called me insane! YOU DARE SAY INSANITY OF OUR PRODUCTIVE INSTITUTION ?!?!?! [02:42]
mircea_popescu METEORS! [02:42]
mircea_popescu what was that oglaf with "god is on their side" btw ? [02:42]
BingoBoingo oglaf needs better indexing [02:43]
ben_vulpes <******> as long as there are tools, there will be people using them poorly << i give up [02:43]
* pete_dushenski enjoys watching his 3k word epic unfold in real-time [02:43]
mircea_popescu [02:43]
assbot Assorted Fruits of Wrath [02:43]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo totally. [02:43]
ben_vulpes people cannot be saved form themselves. [02:44]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes who said that ? [02:44]
ben_vulpes he's not in a logged channel, i'll refrain from sharing his handle. [02:44]
ben_vulpes nobody who's ever been in here though. [02:44]
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mircea_popescu !up girevik [02:45]
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mircea_popescu ah kk. [02:45]
mircea_popescu ima steal it then, to me it sounds like something i'd say. [02:46]
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ben_vulpes i bring this elk in tribute [02:46]
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mircea_popescu "He’s one of the most masterful wielders of words" << you got a ways to go foxy! check out pete's offerings! [02:47]
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mircea_popescu so i was with this chick earlier, her parents had the weird idea of calling her Modesty [02:48]
mircea_popescu and she was all "oh mp what a great cock you have!" [02:49]
mircea_popescu jus' sayin' for the record. [02:49]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: You've got a reply [02:49]
assbot Commissioner Mark Wetjen: "CFTC Would Have Authority To Bring Enforcement Actions Against.. | [02:49]
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mircea_popescu shit comment index at 1.3k already ? [02:49]
mircea_popescu if this thing ends up surpassing trilema ima be well pissy. [02:50]
BingoBoingo Well spam comments... Ham comments at 416 [02:50]
mircea_popescu i have nfi what that dude's saying. [02:50]
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BingoBoingo I think maybe it's a spambot that saw a word and forgot to link to Ugg boots or Nike's [02:51]
BingoBoingo Or there's a wild markov chain [02:52]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski im gonna have this read weekly in the harem, outloud. just ftr. [02:52]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu [02:53]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu don't twist my words now [02:53]
pete_dushenski the point of this wasn't to pump your fucking tires [02:53]
pete_dushenski god knows you need that like penguins need more snow [02:54]
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mircea_popescu ;;google chubby checker [02:54]
gribble Chubby Checker - The Official Site: ; Chubby Checker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Chubby Checker - Biography - Singer - [02:54]
mircea_popescu !up AdrianoOliveira [02:54]
-assbot- You voiced AdrianoOliveira for 30 minutes. [02:54]
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BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Maybe you need to consider whose ego you stroke, before you go a stroking an ego... [02:54]
mircea_popescu the stroking of the ego brings monsters. [02:54]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu anyways, i look forward to seeing it acted, off-script, next time i'm in town [02:54]
mircea_popescu it's a harem not a bordello yo! [02:55]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: if this thing ends up surpassing trilema ima be well pissy. << why? ~_~ you technically willed it's existence. [02:55]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller i can still be pissy! [02:55]
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pete_dushenski mircea_popescu we obviously have different ideas of how a harim should work ;) [02:55]
mircea_popescu lol do tell [02:56]
* BingoBoingo wonders if pete_dushenski did his turkish homework yet [02:56]
jurov pete, our resident pimp [02:56]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu what's to tell? acting, staging, and memorizing are not optional. [02:57]
pete_dushenski basic skillz [02:57]
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pete_dushenski every bit as useful as a sense of humour and a second language [02:57]
mircea_popescu actually bellydancing's a basic skill. [02:57]
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mircea_popescu and rope escape. [02:58]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo i won't say my homework's done just yet [02:58]
pete_dushenski and swallowing. cyanide or otherwise [02:58]
mircea_popescu (you think tying a chick down is easy ? try it sometime! it;s fucking impossible if you're determined not to hurt her) [02:58]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu big hands help here [02:59]
pete_dushenski you can use one of yours to hold down two of hers [02:59]
mircea_popescu i don't mean that part. [02:59]
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mircea_popescu if you're talking slavegirl, you can just order her to move around as needed. but still it's not trivial. [03:00]
mircea_popescu few hours' practice with this will make pretty much any western film involving tying anyone unwatchable. [03:00]
mircea_popescu that "put some rope on them, they're imobilized now" convention doesn't really work irl. [03:01]
pete_dushenski tie indian to traintracks, etc. [03:02]
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mircea_popescu western i mean as opposed to japanese. [03:03]
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mircea_popescu !up csshih [03:08]
-assbot- You voiced csshih for 30 minutes. [03:08]
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csshih sup [03:09]
mircea_popescu not much. [03:09]
BingoBoingo csshih: What's your online retailer again? [03:09]
csshih [03:10]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski "an efficient means to an ends" [03:10]
BingoBoingo hx [03:10]
* BingoBoingo bookmarks site, because x-mas is coming in 4 months or some shit [03:11]
jurov lol one and half [03:12]
mircea_popescu two weeks! [03:12]
csshih haha [03:12]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu scrap "efficient" ? [03:12]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski fix the an plural. [03:13]
pete_dushenski now "an efficient mean to an end" [03:14]
mircea_popescu uh [03:14]
pete_dushenski means! [03:14]
mircea_popescu still dun sound right. means is like police, plural only. [03:14]
pete_dushenski one end... many means [03:14]
jurov no it's actually effervescent mean [03:14]
mircea_popescu it'd be pretty rad if people were like "and then this single polic jumped me" [03:15]
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pete_dushenski historical footnote, "police" was the first word i could actually spell other than my own name [03:15]
bounce such law abidement [03:15]
mircea_popescu i am surprised you could spell your own name [03:15]
mircea_popescu i still can't. [03:15]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu i can spell your name, just can't pronounce it! [03:16]
pete_dushenski nfi how long it took me to spell my surname [03:16]
mircea_popescu :p [03:16]
mircea_popescu i imagine indian kids have it the worst. i've seen some pretty gnarly shit. [03:17]
pete_dushenski though my grandpa got a kick out of my counting to 10 in romanian this weekend. correct pronounciation and all :D [03:17]
mircea_popescu o hey wd. [03:17]
mircea_popescu so then ce in mircea, ce in zece, same ce. [03:17]
asciilifeform achtung mircea_popescu. broadcast in. [03:18]
mircea_popescu nicht gefingerpoken! [03:18]
asciilifeform mittengrabben. [03:18]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu lol i learned it auditorally so spelling wasn't a problem [03:18]
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bounce relaxen und watchen das blinkenlichten! [03:21]
BingoBoingo Uber discriminates in the worst way [03:22]
assbot Uber price surging on Halloween: Does it take unfair advantage of drunk people? [03:22]
jurov bounce, die blinkenlichten [03:22]
jurov it's plural [03:22]
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jurov or maybe something else, as it's akuzativ [03:23]
* bounce will now out throw jurov and kick him anderswhere! [03:23]
mircea_popescu lol [03:24]
jurov arschloch! [03:24]
asciilifeform schweinhund. [03:24]
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asciilifeform hande hoch! [03:25]
* asciilifeform exhausted his deutsch [03:25]
mircea_popescu poloch! [03:26]
mircea_popescu die kanonenkugel macht ein weit grosseres noch! [03:27]
asciilifeform eh everybody knows that one. [03:27]
mircea_popescu lol [03:27]
asciilifeform frederiiiicus reeex... [03:27]
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jurov *einige [03:28]
jurov *ans [03:28]
asciilifeform lukschen kugel. [03:28]
mircea_popescu unser artillerie hat ein vortrefflich kaliber! [03:29]
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bounce wir sind vom idiotenklub/ und laden herzlich ein/ [03:34]
mircea_popescu ;;google idiotenclublied [03:35]
gribble No matches found. [03:35]
mircea_popescu no fucking wai. [03:36]
bounce google is just too SMRT [03:36]
jurov ;;google idiotenklublied [03:36]
gribble No matches found. [03:36]
jurov ;;google idiotenklub [03:36]
gribble Smith & Smart - Idiotenclub - YouTube: ; IDIOTENCLUB - YouTube: ; omas idiotenclub - YouTube: [03:36]
mircea_popescu hm [03:36]
mircea_popescu [03:38]
assbot Das Idiotenclublied - na wenn das so ist, dann prost! [03:38]
mircea_popescu well it does exist upon digging [03:38]
asciilifeform obligatory: tigerfibel. [03:39]
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pete_dushenski << lol thestringpuller calls out the cardano! [03:41]
assbot Let’s Cut To The Chase, Is La Serenissima A Cult? | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski [03:41]
asciilifeform give the man his money back. [03:42]
asciilifeform oh wait [03:42]
ben_vulpes [03:42]
assbot BitBet - Cardano to Ship in 2014 :: 1.08 B (41%) on Yes, 1.53 B (59%) on No | closing in 1 month 3 weeks | weight: 23`611 (100`000 to 1) [03:42]
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BingoBoingo Who seriously knew last year's ship date was a distraction while a whole fucking factory was being built in the swamp? [03:43]
ben_vulpes who knew indeed [03:43]
asciilifeform more of a phactory. [03:43]
ben_vulpes phuctory! [03:43]
pete_dushenski potty mouth [03:44]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo this is a good point [03:44]
BingoBoingo But, still. Did asciilifeform actually reinvent the Luer lock, or was S.NSA working on darker magic already? These are the mysteries to be unveiled after the war is won. [03:46]
asciilifeform luer lock off the shelf! [03:46]
punkbot [trust-update] added: johntraveller [03:46]
asciilifeform ferglubssake, i write the broadcasts, does anybody read'em? [03:46]
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BingoBoingo Of course they get read. It's just... luer lock being a thing with a name I could have swore was the rare s.nsa detail that in the statement could have been shelf pointed to sooner if more transparent. [03:48]
* asciilifeform failed to parse above [03:48]
BingoBoingo Still, starfish virginity is a concern [03:48]
asciilifeform еггог! [03:48]
mike_c [03:49]
* BingoBoingo might have switched to write only mode. spent the morning driving distances. Brain is still recovering. [03:49]
mike_c bezzle money is cheap [03:49]
pete_dushenski thai time. later! [03:52]
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jurov reddit police noticed the bitcoin foundation [03:54]
jurov if i did not set up alarm, wouldn't have noticed [03:54]
asciilifeform but what of the reddit dogcatcher? he noticed? [03:54]
ben_vulpes jurov: did anything happen? [03:55]
ben_vulpes how did cloudflare respond? [03:56]
jurov i dont have cloudflare but aws. nothing really happened, it just paints nice graphs [03:56]
BingoBoingo but what of the reddit dogcatcher? he noticed? << You forget the most dangerous police variety in most US states, the fish and game cop. [03:57]
BingoBoingo They almost always get to presume probably cause in search [03:57]
ben_vulpes oh. [04:03]
asciilifeform << re: ancient mircea_popescu thread [04:03]
assbot [3.13.y.z,extended,stable] Patch "sparc64: Fix FPU register corruption with AES crypto offload." has been added to staging queue - Patchwork [04:03]
ben_vulpes sorry i mean cloudfront i think [04:03]
ben_vulpes almost too tired to think [04:03]
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jurov yes cloudfront... but they seem to unable to sustain even their feeble attempts [04:06]
jurov going to sleep..goodnight! [04:07]
ben_vulpes tee hee. amuse. [04:16]
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BingoBoingo << Case study in "social" "media" [04:26]
assbot Alex From Target Was Just a Marketing Ploy :( [04:26]
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mircea_popescu oh wait << omfg stan sarcasm ? [04:33]
decimation BingoBoingo: I hear from folks who would know in Ohio that the most competent police there are the fish & game cops [04:34]
mircea_popescu if i did not set up alarm, wouldn't have noticed <<< i imagine this sounds better in german :D [04:34]
decimation that's kinda idiomatic [04:35]
BingoBoingo decimation: Well, here in Illinois they get all kinds of powers to do warrantless searches [04:36]
mircea_popescu "Teen Twitter (the most powerful force in the universe)" << really ? [04:36]
mircea_popescu what universe is that, the soda fountain ? [04:36]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: No, the which star/starlet can we push to break the cocaine imbibed by 23 record universe [04:36]
mircea_popescu anyway, gawker, nov 4th. "But it's hard to tell if anyone is even real anymore." mp, sep 13th "I want the average redditor to understand that when he interacts with a screen name, he is not interracting with a person." [04:38]
mircea_popescu such coincidences. [04:38]
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Vexual hi [04:40]
ben_vulpes evening [04:40]
Vexual Ben I must thank you for getting me back on grapes [04:41]
ben_vulpes they're lovely [04:41]
BingoBoingo such coincidences. << Well, more than even killing Coindesk isn't a point of Qntra ending gawker? [04:44]
decimation something like: Wenn ich nicht den Alarm aufgestellt habe, würde ich es nicht bemerkt. [04:45]
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thestringpuller How did gawker become "a thing"? [04:46]
thestringpuller I understand Wired. But gawker not so much. [04:46]
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BingoBoingo thestringpuller: Basically in the 1990's Nick Denton amassed a warchest of bezzel bucks. Then he hired bored housewife to stalk celebrities for initial traffic. After that sustaining gawker was a matter of keeping the bills paid. [04:47]
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BingoBoingo The contemporary idea of the incredibly PC media mafia after the bush election exists as a creature of Nick Denton's creation [04:49]
BingoBoingo it is important to note the present incarnation of that crowd was not sparked by HUffington, Digg, or Reddit, but in Nick Denton's constant reinvestment in Gawker media. [04:51]
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decimation asciilifeform: re: verizon dns << didn't they announce that they would helpfully insert friendly cookies in your http stream? [04:57]
decimation BingoBoingo: it would be interesting to have a directory (with pictures) of those who call the shots in the media today [04:58]
thestringpuller ;;later tell mircea_popescu did you mean to put an "https" link for the Qntra link on the prospectus on the MPEx listing? [04:58]
gribble The operation succeeded. [04:58]
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BingoBoingo decimation: Maybe once I set up a homestead in more civilized lands [05:00]
Vexual where are you going? [05:01]
BingoBoingo No idea yet. [05:01]
BingoBoingo Prolly Titan. Maybe Mars. [05:01]
BingoBoingo If Buterin's waterfall takes too long to dry prolly some land that habla Castellano [05:03]
asciilifeform decimation: unrelated. that was an ip over wireless thing [05:04]
asciilifeform decimation: this - straight redirect to spmoogle [05:04]
thestringpuller Over 60 mn Ether sold!!!! Amazing! [05:05]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [05:05]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller actually, no. [05:06]
mircea_popescu thanks for pointing out! [05:06]
mircea_popescu The contemporary idea of the incredibly PC media mafia after the bush election exists as a creature of Nick Denton's creation << hm. sort of like anti-drudge ? [05:07]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Worse. Drudge didn't spend the entire 1990's getting merit washed. [05:08]
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mircea_popescu !up sine [05:09]
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BingoBoingo lulz [05:17]
assbot A year ago today : Bitcoin [05:17]
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decimation BingoBoingo: so he's kinda like the walter lippmann of this era? [05:21]
BingoBoingo decimation: I think of Denton more as the mirror image of the Koch Brothers, but that's a very imperfect correspondence. [05:22]
BingoBoingo Denton writes rarely, but when he does criticizes Gawker authors for their economic liberalism. [05:23]
decimation has anyone here upgraded to openbsd 5.6? [05:30]
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BingoBoingo decimation: Not yet, will order disks this month, prolly [05:34]
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TheNewDeal So I'm reading this conversation about programming languages from 7 days ago (28-10-2014). There is a lot of trash talking about OOPs, like C++. I don't see anyone mention C. Is C just not worth mentioning? [05:43]
asciilifeform unfortunately is worth mentioning. [05:44]
TheNewDeal why so unfortunate? [05:44]
asciilifeform just as usg is worth mentioning. [05:44]
asciilifeform actually we had a fun occasion for mentioning c recently. [05:45]
BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: [05:45]
assbot 7th Underhanded C Contest Going on Now | [05:45]
asciilifeform !s underhanded c contest [05:45]
asciilifeform aha [05:45]
assbot 10 results for 'underhanded c contest' : [05:45]
asciilifeform don't look for the 'incompetent c contest.' it's right there on your desk. [05:45]
asciilifeform and mine, and his. [05:46]
BingoBoingo Don't worry everyone has until new years day to learn C and enter [05:46]
BingoBoingo don't look for the 'incompetent c contest.' it's right there on your desk. << It's everywhere [05:46]
asciilifeform dear glub, 'learn c', k&r 1st ed. is what, 80 pages? [05:46]
TheNewDeal what in the hell does that mean? [05:46]
asciilifeform it means that even 'competent' c programmers are playing. [05:49]
TheNewDeal is it akin to what Naggum was saying on C++ , that it's too tough for people to handle? [05:49]
BingoBoingo And the hardware plays back [05:49]
asciilifeform 'too tough for people' is a poor angle. there are people who can lift a 'volkswagen.' [05:49]
BingoBoingo !up devthedev Hello devthedev [05:49]
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devthedev Hey BingoBoingo [05:50]
thestringpuller devthedev: get your shares? [05:50]
* asciilifeform thought k&r 1st ed. was on the #b-a required reading shelf, or the like. [05:50]
devthedev Yes sir [05:50]
TheNewDeal But there's not hundreds of thousands of people going around writing "Can lift a volkswagen efficiently" on their CV [05:50]
decimation I recommend this book too [05:51]
asciilifeform ^^ [05:51]
asciilifeform yes! [05:51]
asciilifeform it's a real riot. [05:51]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: what's awrong with 2nd edition? [05:51]
asciilifeform full of bell labs c lore [05:51]
decimation yeah reading that book improved my C coding because it explained wtf was going on and why [05:51]
asciilifeform 2nd edition << bloat [05:51]
asciilifeform satan preserve us from 2nd editions. [05:52]
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thestringpuller K&R is how I learned C. So no complaints. [05:52]
asciilifeform i like to call it 'koraktor' [05:52]
asciilifeform ;;google koraktor [05:52]
gribble koraktor: ; koraktor (Sebastian Staudt) · GitHub: ; koraktor/steam-condenser · GitHub: [05:52]
asciilifeform fail. [05:52]
* asciilifeform opens koraktor, bound in human skin, and searches for a death spell for google [05:53]
TheNewDeal how about assembly languages? [05:53]
asciilifeform what about them? [05:53]
decimation MMIX? [05:54]
TheNewDeal not mentioned in the programming discussion [05:54]
asciilifeform sure they were. [05:54]
asciilifeform e.g., [05:54]
assbot Loper OS » You have made your bedrock, now lie in it. [05:54]
TheNewDeal I took a class that was all about MIPS, but it got over my head at the end. I was a mech engr stuck in a class of comp sci students [05:54]
decimation C is more-or-less a fancy set of macros around assembly [05:54]
asciilifeform on pdp-10. [05:54]
asciilifeform !up Vexual [05:55]
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thestringpuller devthedev: didn't you make a news site? [05:55]
devthedev Yes [05:55]
thestringpuller i forgot what it is [05:56]
devthedev I was planning on writing for CryptoDeck less formally, more for fun and qntra more formally but I kinda got burnt out. [05:56]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: << what wind river was dinged for [05:57]
thestringpuller devthedev: I can tell. Last article published was Oct. 17. lol [05:57]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: afaik they self-volunteered for gassing (for no reason i know of) [05:57]
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decimation supposedly they were treated 'lightly' because they volunteered [05:58]
decimation lol they were dinged for exporting ipsec? [05:58]
devthedev thestringpuller: I may just sell it, I don't have as much time as I'd like to devote to it. [05:59]
thestringpuller what is there to sell? do you have contributors? [06:00]
devthedev Negative [06:00]
decimation tyranny - usg fines a company for exporting that which is easily downloadable everywhere. anarchy - usg pretends it cannot investigate welfare fraud [06:00]
devthedev It would be just the domain essentially. [06:00]
BingoBoingo It would be just the domain essentially. << Problem is the first 5 letters of the domain are too popular [06:01]
Vexual asciilifeform did you ever get you hands on one of those first ibm branded xts? [06:02]
decimation my first computer was an epson XT knockoff [06:03]
thestringpuller decimation: me too!!!!! [06:04]
decimation as I recall it cost around $2k in the late 80's [06:04]
thestringpuller I still have it. It's all boxed up. I just need a PS/1 keyboard but those are hard to find. [06:04]
decimation yeah this [06:04]
assbot Epson Apex Plus Turbo XT computer (1988) - YouTube [06:04]
decimation it was the best thing my family bought me, I learned dos, played kings quest & space quest, learned to write in wordperfect [06:05]
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thestringpuller decimation: << that was mine [06:07]
thestringpuller ibm knockoff/clone [06:07]
thestringpuller taught me batch scripts and dos [06:08]
thestringpuller eventually qbasic [06:08]
decimation my dad had a 'real' ibm AT at work, I was impressed by the built-like-a-tank chassis [06:08]
Vexual they were quickly liberated from govenment offices here [06:11]
* BingoBoingo bought a Mac Classic for $10 [06:11]
thestringpuller decimation: IBM keyboard's kinda rule even to this day. [06:12]
decimation yeah I use a knockoff (unicomp) myself [06:13]
thestringpuller yea I used one of those. I wanna get the one with the mouse in the middle (like on the think-pads) for my desktop. [06:14]
thestringpuller co workers hated the clicking but damn it was a slick keyboard [06:14]
decimation if you search the logs there are pointers to folks who have hardware projects that interface ibm ps/2 keyboards made in the 80's to usb [06:15]
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mircea_popescu So I'm reading this conversation about programming languages from 7 days ago (28-10-2014). There is a lot of trash talking about OOPs, like C++. I don't see anyone mention C. Is C just not worth mentioning? <<< c is really not ~that~ bad. [06:18]
mircea_popescu !up sadekjake [06:19]
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TheNewDeal not as bad as the usg? [06:19]
sadekjake samO__ samson_ sgnb so Starsoccer steven-___ [06:19]
sadekjake samO__ samson_ sgnb so Starsoccer steven-___ [06:19]
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sadekjake samO__ samson_ sgnb so Starsoccer steven-___ [06:19]
mircea_popescu sadekjake hey there. [06:19]
thestringpuller on a scale of 0 to usg how turdified is it? [06:19]
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mircea_popescu TheNewDeal people generally hate c++ for reasons and c by extension. [06:20]
mircea_popescu arguably c doesn't do much to help the programmer not be stupid. then again, it doesn't actually force them to be dumb. sort of like asm, and nobody really hates asm. [06:21]
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sadekjake hello Mircea [06:21]
sadekjake do you see my msg? [06:21]
mircea_popescu nope. [06:21]
sadekjake i have neever used an IRC before [06:22]
mircea_popescu o.O [06:22]
sadekjake how do i send you a pm? [06:22]
mircea_popescu well, i just sent you one, should be a tab opened somewhere next to where it says #bitcoin-assets [06:22]
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asciilifeform 'c' does not force man to be dumb. but hardly anyone actually gets to program in 'c.' normally folks program in c+libs [06:29]
asciilifeform libs authored by, in many cases, what can only be down's syndrome cases [06:29]
decimation a few years ago I tried to make an edit to wikipedia's 'climate change' entry. a similar down's syndrome case guards that page - immediately reverting any non-libtard edit [06:30]
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asciilifeform c >> obligatory >> [06:31]
assbot Re: Is LISP dying? - Naggum cll archive [06:31]
decimation at any rate, one cannot consider themsleves a programmer today without knowing C [06:32]
decimation perhaps in the future it will not be so [06:32]
asciilifeform '...and _does_ an operating system that forces the programmer to check to see whether the operating system did what it was asked to do every damn time you ask it to do anything actually give any relevant form of support to anyone?' [06:32]
decimation asciilifeform: but, that's new jersey style! [06:33]
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thestringpuller decimation: at any rate, one cannot consider themsleves a programmer today without knowing C << unfortunately not a lot of people learn C in what you may call "computer science education" (or is so named) [06:33]
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mircea_popescu decimation you don't understand. for him, matter of life and death. that's how he eats. [06:34]
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dgeats !up BingoBoingo, happy to be here [06:34]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: education << [06:34]
mircea_popescu haha cute one. [06:34]
assbot Logged on 15-04-2014 18:34:43; asciilifeform: 'we refuse to produce any more C programmers who are a danger to themselves and others.' -- my old dean [06:34]
asciilifeform (anyone still awake, straight to that dusty thread) [06:35]
decimation yeah "C" was going out of style when I graduated in the early 2000's, CS was converting to full-java [06:35]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: this is pretty much the stance. you have to seek it out, if you want to learn it. I guess what they are producing are not programmers at that point? [06:35]
asciilifeform 1nf0rm4t10n t3chn0log1stz! [06:35]
asciilifeform or something. [06:35]
thestringpuller scary. [06:36]
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decimation one wonders what the point of using open source OS's would be if you can't read C [06:36]
thestringpuller much easier to write c-code in linux than say DOS [06:36]
asciilifeform the point, when there is a point, generally has nothing to do with reading [06:36]
asciilifeform mostly pure zoological revulsion at microshit [06:37]
BingoBoingo thestringpuller: Google's Android has a linux kernel and BSD libc [06:37]
asciilifeform easier to write c-code in linux than say DOS << beg to differ. [06:37]
asciilifeform under rusty old msdos one can, generally, actually program in c [06:37]
decimation heh yeah there are so many distro's and tard-libraries in linux [06:38]
decimation asciilifeform: here's the link for what you are getting at: " Now we get down the the nitty-gritty. This is our first clash with the establishment. The conventionsl approach, enforced to a greater or lesser extent, is that you shall use a standard subroutine. I say that you should write your own subroutines. " [06:39]
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thestringpuller asciilifeform: i think when I was 9 it was like 4 weeks allowance to get Borland or whatever C compiler they were selling at the time. [06:40]
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asciilifeform thestringpuller: guess how much i and everybody i knew paid. [06:40]
thestringpuller 0 [06:40]
decimation ah, the good ol' stack of floppies [06:41]
asciilifeform decimation: this sounds like top-grade batshit to 'civilians', who don't normally understand how simple (from algorithmic standpoint) everything they usually want out of the machine, really is [06:41]
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decimation one of my friends would call AOL every day for a free "introductory" floppy every day [06:41]
asciilifeform most of what programmers do, is really grunt labour to work around the mistakes of earlier programmers. [06:41]
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asciilifeform folks who realize this, eventually 'turn perelman' [06:42]
mircea_popescu under rusty old msdos one can, generally, actually program in c << because, again, if i want to kil a ms-dos dependency I DELETE THE FILE [06:42]
asciilifeform and we don't hear from them [06:42]
mircea_popescu motherfucking apt-get. [06:42]
asciilifeform aha. [06:42]
decimation yeah it's really really tiresome to live in someone else's fucktarded world [06:42]
mircea_popescu just....fucking....detele the file. [06:43]
mircea_popescu omg why should it be so hard. [06:43]
decimation because $LD_LIBRARY_PATH [06:43]
dgeats !up @assbot [06:43]
mircea_popescu fuck that shit with pikes. [06:43]
asciilifeform butbutbutt... it could be on a locked nfs volume! it could be on an abacus wielded by retarded child! etc [06:43]
mircea_popescu NO [06:43]
decimation asciilifeform: actually this is an interesting point. Why does every platform insist on dynamic libraries? [06:44]
asciilifeform cargo-cult imitation of real computer. [06:44]
decimation somehow Mr. Moore can write a chip-design tool in a few hundred lines of forth [06:44]
decimation yet it takes like 50 megabytes to instantiate Xeyes? [06:44]
mircea_popescu fuckthatshitomfg [06:45]
decimation yeah, I guess in this case the 'cargo-cult' is building a wooden global namespace [06:45]
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asciilifeform and it takes a supercomputer, of a kind not even yet built, to write a word processor where there are no palpable delays when entering a character. if you believe microshit. [06:45]
decimation but my 8088 did that running at 8 mhz in wordperfect [06:45]
asciilifeform aha. [06:45]
asciilifeform decimation: [06:46]
assbot Loper OS » Going Nowhere Really Fast, or How Computers Only Come in Two Speeds. [06:46]
decimation heh yeah that was a favorite post [06:46]
BingoBoingo ^ Macs at one point almost really were real computers [06:46]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: long, long ago. [06:47]
decimation "But suppose everyone wrote their own subroutines? Isn't that a step backward; away from the millenium when our programs are machine independent, when we all write in the same language, maybe even on the same computer? Let me take a stand: I can't solve the problems of the world. With luck, I can write a good program. " [06:47]
decimation this is probably the most rational approach toward the modern c-machine [06:47]
mircea_popescu fucking hell. [06:47]
mircea_popescu why the fuck would "we". jesus burn every text with we in it already. [06:47]
mircea_popescu we my food. [06:47]
mircea_popescu foot* [06:48]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well, then they sold their soul to IBM [06:48]
mircea_popescu maybe our fucking should be all machi^H^H^H^H^H woman independent also ? [06:48]
mircea_popescu maybe we should all jack off with the same stroke ?! [06:48]
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asciilifeform as a student, i was once told by a greybeard: 'you're young, but know that you have X lines of code in you. after that - log cabin.' [06:49]
asciilifeform he was, of course, optimist [06:49]
asciilifeform often, 'after that' is something more like pistol fellatio [06:50]
asciilifeform i didn't grok what he said, at the time, naturally [06:50]
mircea_popescu i enjoy writing the little code i do write. [06:50]
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asciilifeform that's the trick. [06:50]
mircea_popescu the enjoy or the little ? [06:51]
decimation I want someone to draw a cartoon: young man approaches greybeard lounging under a tree: greybeard - why do you laze instead of being productive? - He says: you try to make something useful - off the young one goes through trial and tribulation - eventually, ending up under a tree. [06:51]
asciilifeform 'little' -> 'enjoy' [06:51]
BingoBoingo !up devthedev [06:51]
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mircea_popescu *: asciilifeform opens koraktor, bound in human skin, and searches for a death spell for google << wot based search. working towards it. [06:51]
asciilifeform !s kyristor [06:52]
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asciilifeform ^ sword in stone for unknown heroes to be born [06:52]
mircea_popescu all these fucktards with the "blockchain technology" have no fucking idea even what the technology actually is [06:52]
mircea_popescu monkeys in the jungle, "shiny wings technology". [06:52]
mircea_popescu yeah, im sure that's why the plane flies. [06:53]
asciilifeform 'technology' - just a word to them. [06:53]
BingoBoingo *: asciilifeform opens koraktor, bound in human skin, and searches for a death spell for google << wot based search. working towards it. << Caled it when you asked about crawling millions of urls [06:53]
BingoBoingo Next time I'll sign the hash of the prediction [06:53]
mircea_popescu lol [06:53]
* asciilifeform knows of no reason why wot-search needs to crawl anything [06:53]
mircea_popescu decimation: C is more-or-less a fancy set of macros around assembly <<< this is actually pretty much it. [06:54]
* asciilifeform pictures wot search as a graph traversal of personal 'bookmark' collections of wot-people [06:54]
decimation asciilifeform: yeah the "crawlers" are human beings [06:54]
asciilifeform assembly << of pdp-10. see naggum's piece earlier. [06:54]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform just like cars are a steel banded joining of the walking of people ? [06:54]
asciilifeform lol [06:54]
mircea_popescu at some point you gotta put an engine in there somewhere. [06:54]
asciilifeform extant cpu archs are quite unlike pdp-10. internally, of course. 90+% of the Si real estate is then used up in papering over this to build a convincing simulacrum of 'c' machine. [06:55]
asciilifeform so if an idiot tells you that 'c' is 'naturally close to platonic hardware' - you have my official blessing (tm) to kick his face in. [06:55]
mircea_popescu do ellaborate. [06:55]
asciilifeform e.g., translation lookaside buffer cache on intel. [06:56]
asciilifeform the page table. [06:56]
asciilifeform automatic instruction re-ordering. [06:56]
mircea_popescu decimation: as I recall it cost around $2k in the late 80's << ahh, the days when a shitty mouse was 100 bux. [06:56]
asciilifeform (intel tried shipping a gizmo without it, now it is known affectionately as 'the itanic') [06:56]
asciilifeform i could go on, but this could fill a book. [06:57]
mircea_popescu da fuck is platonic hardware supposed to be [06:57]
asciilifeform an imaginary animal that lives in the skulls of folks who talk about 'close to the hardware? that means c of course' [06:57]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu> da fuck is platonic hardware supposed to be << Aristotle's natal cleft [06:57]
decimation in your room-sized FPGA, there is probably a spot for a few 'risc' finite automata [06:57]
asciilifeform decimation: there could be room found for an entire period reproduction of intel 486, for when the mood to play 'doom' strikes you. [06:58]
asciilifeform point is, it is possible to build electronics that are actually programmable. [06:58]
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BingoBoingo turd should be legible to the .js deniers [06:59]
assbot Metro-east news from Belleville, IL | Belleville News-Democrat [06:59]
asciilifeform in some of my articles, i mention a concept called 'design space.' it, approximately, means, the set of engineering decisions that are thinkable at a given time. [06:59]
asciilifeform in many ways it behaves like a non-renewable mineral resource. [07:00]
asciilifeform except, unlike petrogoodies, it is possible to get design space back just by 'wanting enough.' [07:00]
asciilifeform catch is, you have to... burn the world. [07:01]
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BingoBoingo catch is, you have to... burn the world. << How many people here are seriously opposed to this condition [07:03]
asciilifeform for instance, in the '70s, when there was an understanding that a computer is purchased and comes with own os, and your own men will write literally everything else (often including os) that will ever run on it, until it goes to the scrapyard - [07:03]
asciilifeform there was a plethora of interestingly-different machine architectures. [07:03]
asciilifeform e.g., cdc 6600 [07:04]
asciilifeform the lisp machines (xerox and mit branches of the evolutionary trees, different in many interesting ways) [07:04]
asciilifeform the early crays [07:04]
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asciilifeform then folks began to 'depend on things' [07:05]
asciilifeform and increasingly, 'hysterical raisins' became primary justification for all engineering decisions re: computer. [07:05]
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BingoBoingo Shhhhh, you are about to spoil the part where the hittites surprise pete_d with iron weapns [07:06]
asciilifeform this is in many ways a process analogous to ordinary senescence. [07:07]
BingoBoingo Ordinary only in pathophysiology, not in affect [07:08]
asciilifeform people age, and empires - and the 'computer we know' isn't really a separate animal from the u.s. empire. [07:08]
asciilifeform there were computers once, among the people of the east. [07:08]
asciilifeform !s trinary [07:08]
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asciilifeform then they decided they like w4r3z rather too much [07:08]
asciilifeform to bother with own computers. [07:08]
asciilifeform why go through the grind of developing world from scratch, they thought, when you can l33ch l33t w4r3z like a pr0 in 21 days [07:10]
BingoBoingo ANd thus began the legend of niggers.txt [07:10]
mircea_popescu lol [07:10]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00073016 = 14.5302 BTC [+] {2} [07:13]
BingoBoingo The problem is encountering the actual mythical good is always a dissapointment. [07:13]
asciilifeform the kid who gets his first fuck - also disappointed [07:14]
asciilifeform ars longa, when you catch, kill, and dress the unicorn, can go after loch ness monster and many other prey. [07:15]
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mircea_popescu the kid who gets his first fuck - also disappointed << rly ?! [07:17]
mircea_popescu Shhhhh, you are about to spoil the part where the hittites surprise pete_d with iron weapns << the hittites never had iron. you're thinking the franks. [07:18]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Maybe the Assyrians? Some sort of Turk turnt out the Jew bronze with their Iron. [07:18]
decimation re: design space << so part of the problem with "C" is that it tends to occupy this mental design space rapidly [07:19]
mircea_popescu [07:20]
assbot No Such lAbs (S.NSA), October 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [07:20]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo the franks. [07:21]
mircea_popescu "the iron! my god, the iron!" spoken in italia by the degenerate successors of the latins. [07:21]
decimation what about 'damascus steel'? [07:21]
mircea_popescu much later. [07:21]
mircea_popescu franks are a 800ad affair. [07:21]
mircea_popescu allah had been barely invented yet [07:22]
BingoBoingo what about 'damascus steel'? << 4 digit number of years innovation [07:22]
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mircea_popescu at the joseph smith stage yet. [07:22]
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decimation << " From the 3rd century to the 17th century, India was shipping steel ingots to the Middle East.[14]" [07:23]
assbot Damascus steel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [07:23]
mircea_popescu dunno what sort of steel they were shipping in 3ad. [07:23]
mircea_popescu 300* [07:23]
decimation yeah I think it was more "steel" than steel [07:23]
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mircea_popescu swords are like computers - they only work for some grades of si [07:24]
mircea_popescu sand not acceptble. [07:24]
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mircea_popescu anyway, tardpedia's fascination with the east and white-hating notwithstanding, steel is a western invention. [07:24]
asciilifeform invention - yes [07:25]
asciilifeform primitives succeeded in making steels of a kind, from naturally carboniferous wootz traded along, e.g., silk road [07:25]
asciilifeform but metallurgy - is white man's magic. [07:25]
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asciilifeform protest of japanophiles notwithstanding [07:26]
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decimation yeah I saw some documentary about japanese sword-making - that steel is closer to steel, but nowhere near modern quality [07:26]
BingoBoingo primitives succeeded in making steels of a kind, from naturally carboniferous wootz traded along, e.g., silk road << Wootz yes, low hanging fruit. When I read Damascus though I think laminate forging process [07:26]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform in fairnes, the gypsies did show real talent in working with zamak, [07:26]
mircea_popescu so much so they got dragged all over to europe by various turkic people. [07:26]
mircea_popescu but zamak is still zamak. [07:27]
asciilifeform aha [07:27]
asciilifeform gotta fix those pots & pans. [07:27]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo that's post-byzantine conquest. strictly. [07:27]
decimation the turks conquered Byzantium and then headed east? [07:27]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Of course, but also the product normally refered to now as "Damascus" steel [07:28]
mircea_popescu nah. [07:28]
mircea_popescu decimation the golden crescent is this pulsing heart of human civilisaiton. [07:28]
asciilifeform see also: булат. [07:28]
mircea_popescu the most recent pulse went in all directions, just about to india. [07:28]
mircea_popescu it run into a hard wall at constantinople [07:28]
mircea_popescu but eventually overcame it. [07:28]
mircea_popescu (with hungarian cannons) [07:29]
BingoBoingo "Historical" Dracula [07:29]
asciilifeform !s drakula [07:30]
assbot 21 results for 'drakula' : [07:30]
mircea_popescu nah, unrelated. [07:30]
mircea_popescu was some sort of columbus of metallurgy. little is known. [07:30]
asciilifeform not related at all. [07:30]
asciilifeform 'hedgehog marches in fog, with rifle on his shoulder.' 'not funny, but at least it's about the war!' [07:30]
mircea_popescu come to think about it : the original siege cannon was carried by two dozen oxen, fired twice a day, had to be cooled with hlf a ton of oil and exploded every two weeks killing everyone around [07:32]
mircea_popescu yet asciilifeform bitches about c. [07:32]
asciilifeform and gypsies worked in tin, lead, no possible zamac [07:32]
mircea_popescu tin, tin. [07:33]
asciilifeform (Al being a creature of modernity.) [07:33]
Adlai aegis agamemnon23 AlexWkz AndChat|679296 AndrewJackson Anduck Apocalyptic arij artifexd asciilifeform assbot Azelphur [07:33]
Adlai aegis agamemnon23 AlexWkz AndChat|679296 AndrewJackson Anduck Apocalyptic arij artifexd asciilifeform assbot Azelphur [07:33]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform in romanian it's how you say "base metal" generally. [07:33]
asciilifeform cannon aficionados should also think about chinese & korean leather cannon. [07:33]
decimation << said documentary with a demonstration of Japanese steel-making [07:33]
asciilifeform it was more or less guaranteed to rupture at one point, killing crew [07:33]
assbot Video: Secrets of the Samurai Sword | Watch NOVA Online | PBS Video [07:33]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform tatara comes from... guess ? [07:34]
mircea_popescu and they got it from... guess ? [07:34]
asciilifeform ahaha [07:34]
mircea_popescu myeah. [07:34]
BingoBoingo (Al being a creature of modernity.) << Elemental Al was accessible to ancients... at lightining strike sites [07:35]
mircea_popescu not saying they didn't get very good at it, they did. [07:35]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: and pure Fe, and Ir, etc. from meteorites. [07:35]
BingoBoingo Indeed [07:35]
BingoBoingo but the later easier to refine and heavier. [07:36]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: not much of these in actual archaeological practice, iirc [07:36]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform actually the mediteranean people volcanoes prolly more than meteorites. [07:36]
BingoBoingo A light shiny metal, Napoleon commisioned Aluminum flatware. [07:36]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ditto amerinds [07:36]
mircea_popescu which is why vulcan lives underground not in the sky [07:36]
asciilifeform (e.g., obsidian) [07:36]
* asciilifeform still waiting for obsidian terroristknives [07:37]
BingoBoingo obsidian conparatively common though. Aluminum might as well have been mythiril though [07:37]
asciilifeform the ancients would've laughed at Al. [07:37]
BingoBoingo * asciilifeform still waiting for obsidian terroristknives << DO you have a budget in mind? [07:37]
mircea_popescu lmao [07:38]
asciilifeform pretty damn useless metal, unless you can churn it out by the megatonne [07:38]
BingoBoingo the ancients would've laughed at Al. BUt in the 18th and 19th centuries only nobels had aluminium helmets [07:38]
asciilifeform didn't really shine until aeronautics made folks itch for just it [07:38]
asciilifeform helmets << spoons [07:39]
BingoBoingo Still, how many obsiadian terroist knives, at what dimension, and in what quantity? [07:39]
asciilifeform for folks outside of usa, good story re: Al: in washington d.c., there is an enormous obelisk, 'washington monument.' it is tipped with a small pyramid of precious aluminum. [07:39]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo actually, they didn't come up with duralumin [07:39]
asciilifeform (extracted chemically at bowel-loosening expense) [07:39]
mircea_popescu which is what limited its early use [07:40]
asciilifeform aha [07:40]
asciilifeform more or less no one uses pure Al for anything today. [07:40]
decimation I believe that aluminum is part of the british crown jewels too [07:40]
mircea_popescu "it is not rare to see a palpable (and all the more so for its unpredictability) delay between pressing a key and the drawing of a symbol on the screen." << i have never seen this. [07:41]
decimation re: obsidian knives << if you want to go this route, just find some local flint and start chipping [07:41]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ms word much? [07:41]
mircea_popescu part of the reason perhaps being that if i had, i'd start bludgeoning the machine into the ground. [07:41]
mircea_popescu i think i had wordperfect on msdos [07:42]
mircea_popescu or was it wordstar maybe ? [07:42]
mircea_popescu word-something. like coin-* today [07:42]
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BingoBoingo << Obsidian terrorist knife [07:42]
assbot Obsidian Scalpels - Micro Knives - Scalpels & Blades - Product Overview - Fine Science Tools [07:42]
decimation I distinctly remember seeing word on windows and thinking it was a huge step back from wordperfect on dos [07:42]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that particular piece was written while waiting for a locked-up msword turd on a usg slavemachine, also running mandatory usg antivirus, which wedged the disk [07:42]
mircea_popescu ah well [07:42]
BingoBoingo decimation> re: obsidian knives << if you want to go this route, just find some local flint and start chipping << Flint =/= obsidian [07:43]
BingoBoingo Also premier material for shaping flint, antler [07:43]
BingoBoingo more or less no one uses pure Al for anything today. << /me may use for heat... [07:44]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: glass scalpel << of late i have made much use of carbide cutting tools on lathe, which come with similar warnings. [07:44]
asciilifeform (brittle as all fuck, cannot tolerate lateral force much at all) [07:44]
BingoBoingo Exactly [07:44]
decimation yeah I would be pretty scared to operate on someone with a glass blade [07:44]
mircea_popescu "Recently, I devoted several sleepless nights to this problem. Why is it that our computers are getting faster and faster yet we are using them more and more to render things generated on some distant server? And it’s still slow!" <<< average bovine is comforted by the second delay. [07:44]
mircea_popescu it has time to think^H blink, damnit. [07:45]
BingoBoingo Compare to a modern blade made with powder sintered S30V steel [07:45]
assbot Gerber 30-000137 Applegate-Fairbairn Covert AUTOMATIC - CPM-S30V - 3.78" Black Combo Edge Blade [07:45]
BingoBoingo yeah I would be pretty scared to operate on someone with a glass blade << In an MRI tube what else can you use? Interventional radiology is lucrative [07:46]
asciilifeform time to think^H blink << 'The lights must never go out, The music must always play..., Lest we should see where we are, Lost in a haunted wood, Children afraid of the night, Who have never been happy or good.' [07:46]
decimation well, aluminium isn't magnetic right? [07:46]
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BingoBoingo decimation, depends on magnet size [07:47]
mircea_popescu quoted just to make stan bleed from the eyes. [07:47]
assbot Strategy Letter IV: Bloatware and the 80/20 Myth - Joel on Software [07:47]
asciilifeform bled already, done [07:47]
asciilifeform tiresome wankers linked it in my comments maybe 15 times [07:48]
mircea_popescu decimation that would have been the fucking moment of truth for the cataphract : when someone turned on a giant magnet [07:48]
mircea_popescu sort-of equivalent to the moment when archimedes turned on the mirrors. [07:48]
decimation lol [07:48]
asciilifeform this actually plays out, as written, in an episode of disney's 'duck tales' i saw translated as a boy [07:48]
mircea_popescu In fact there are lots of great reasons for bloatware. For one, if programmers don't have to worry about how large their code is, they can ship it sooner. And that means you get more features, and features make your life better (when you use them) and don't usually hurt (when you don't). [07:49]
asciilifeform and, unless i'm hallucinating it, in 'connecticut yankee in king arthur's court' [07:49]
mircea_popescu ahahaha i feel so dirrrrty [07:49]
mircea_popescu check me out im a quotation slut. [07:49]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform listen : if coders didn't have to worry about whether THEIR PROGRAM EVEN HALTS [07:50]
mircea_popescu they could ship it right now! [07:50]
asciilifeform aha. [07:50]
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decimation I blame fiat. [07:51]
mircea_popescu as joel well points out, we got a mental problem. no comprende como sheeping works. [07:51]
decimation it allows everyone to pass the buck up to the assignat printing press [07:51]
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mircea_popescu "and the loss to the software company that has to give up two months of sales is even worse." << dat logic. so if i have sex for the first time today, rather than next week, i gain a full week of first time sexings. [07:52]
decimation writing nearly perfect code is possible, but anyone who tries loses in the market by those who 'get there first' writing crap [07:52]
mircea_popescu that's mostly his argument. [07:53]
decimation right, the point to realize is that the market is broken [07:53]
BingoBoingo And yet... What firewall beats pf atm? [07:53]
decimation I remember the original netscape - it was a pile of shit [07:54]
mircea_popescu every browser was a pile of shit. [07:54]
asciilifeform pioneered the modern shitpile, yes [07:54]
mircea_popescu it's a wonder the internet even stil exists. [07:54]
asciilifeform masters of turdatronics, went on to Great Things [07:55]
mircea_popescu in fact, the history of the internet and the browser narrowly mimicks the history of bitcoin [07:55]
mircea_popescu powerful idea, badly implemented by idiots. [07:55]
asciilifeform microscope. [07:55]
decimation yeah that's a scary parallel [07:55]
asciilifeform 'Bitcoin interests me as an obvious example of a technological jewel tossed around aimlessly by the brutal hands of cave men. I can’t help but picture a flashlight or a radio set, left behind in the wilderness by geologists, to be picked up later by some Stone Age aboriginals; to be fought over and worshiped. Until the batteries run out.' -- your truly [07:56]
mircea_popescu decimation just think, what they were. remember... lycos ? [07:56]
mircea_popescu altavista ? [07:56]
decimation lol yeah [07:56]
mircea_popescu search engine yo! internet wallets! [07:56]
decimation the only reason google 'took off' was the fact that their competitors sucked [07:57]
mircea_popescu someone actually thought that "yahoo" is a sane string to associate to your busines. [07:57]
mircea_popescu it's a fucking derrogatory, it's almost like calling bitcoin's media company "cunt, raw" [07:57]
mircea_popescu uh wait. [07:57]
mircea_popescu somethingelse. [07:57]
BingoBoingo !b 3 [07:57]
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asciilifeform 'yahoo' << 'houyhnhnm' just doesn't have the same ring. [07:58]
decimation as I recall the netscape was pretty much just a ripoff of mosaic [07:58]
mircea_popescu notrly, mosaic almost worked [07:58]
asciilifeform since we're on the subject of www, [07:59]
asciilifeform [07:59]
assbot CL-HTTP History [07:59]
asciilifeform ^ not turd. why? didn't have to run on toy computer in paupers' bedrooms. [07:59]
decimation asciilifeform: it is sad that the pauper's computers 'won' in the long run [08:00]
mircea_popescu << ahh the good old days! [08:01]
assbot How Many Lies Can You Find In One Direct Mail Piece? - Joel on Software [08:01]
BingoBoingo ^ not turd. why? didn't have to run on toy computer in paupers' bedrooms. << What, some people actually operate this way... [08:01]
mircea_popescu It says that it's from Sky Dayton (founder of Earthlink) although it is actually from Earthlink's direct marketing department. I can just see the thought going through the copy writer's head. "People won't open it unless it's from someone they know, and everyone knows Sky Dayton!" [08:01]
mircea_popescu anyone still know virgin atlantic branson dayton w/e his name was ? [08:01]
BingoBoingo Richard Branson? [08:01]
decimation asciilifeform: it's certain that there was some government meeting where the cl-http server was regarded as 'obsolete' because it wasn't compatible with frontpage or whatever [08:02]
mircea_popescu right. [08:02]
asciilifeform decimation: mallery ported it to reasonably-standard common lisps. so it did not die with symbolics corp. however, he stuck a rather asinine license on it. [08:03]
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decimation mircea_popescu: he has a business model similar to bitcoin miners: [08:03]
asciilifeform this was not the lethal pill, but didn't help. [08:03]
assbot Some Virgin Galactic seatholders ask for refund on tickets after crash | Science | The Guardian [08:03]
mircea_popescu decimation well at least he knows how to make a small fortune. [08:03]
asciilifeform incidentally, my little birds whisper to me that he now owns symbolics tech. co. [08:03]
asciilifeform and is an nsa stooge. [08:03]
mircea_popescu see, here's the thing : we had these idiots in romania, too. the sort that could be millionaires as long as the public treasury poured a billion or two in theior pants [08:04]
asciilifeform (mallery. not branson) [08:04]
mircea_popescu with some regularity. [08:04]
asciilifeform but similar. [08:04]
decimation wonder what the nsa would do with ancient lisp machines [08:04]
asciilifeform it's no secret what they do. [08:04]
asciilifeform run them. [08:04]
asciilifeform (or what, light cigs with them?) [08:04]
mircea_popescu deny them to the chicoms ? [08:04]
decimation deny them to everybody? [08:04]
mircea_popescu why did the barbarian conquer the roman temple ? [08:05]
mircea_popescu so the other barbarian couldn't jack off to the marbles. [08:05]
decimation lol [08:05]
asciilifeform chicoms could be stamping'em out by the megatonne this friday if they wished it. [08:05]
asciilifeform i would personally help. [08:05]
mircea_popescu you just don't understand how thw world works. [08:05]
asciilifeform !b 4 [08:05]
mircea_popescu a pitbull will still try to take your toy [08:05]
decimation chicoms for some reason just want to reproduce shitty bezzletronics [08:05]
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mircea_popescu even though you can just make a fucking toy factory [08:06]
mircea_popescu with its skull. [08:06]
asciilifeform aha. [08:06]
mircea_popescu incidentally, now that im apparently using it, wtf does chicom even mean ? [08:06]
asciilifeform china/communist [08:07]
mircea_popescu ah k [08:07]
asciilifeform vs. the other smaller one [08:07]
asciilifeform cn/tw [08:07]
decimation incidentally, there's a 2 hour podcast interview with Bil Herd of Commodore here (featuring that annoying australian): [08:07]
assbot An Interview With Bil Herd - Zany Z80 Zygology | The Amp Hour Electronics Podcast [08:07]
asciilifeform what mention of commodore corp. without old jack tramiel! [08:08]
asciilifeform auschwitz to cabbie to repair money to tech ceo with a brain, one of the last. [08:08]
asciilifeform (yes, auschwitz) [08:08]
decimation heh yeah, in the podcast Bil blames the death of commodore on Mr. Tramiel's exit from the company [08:08]
* asciilifeform wonders if auschwitz or mit had more notable 'alumni' [08:09]
mircea_popescu jew joke nao. [08:09]
decimation according to Mr. Herd - Jack Tramiel ran Commodore with an iron fist. When he left, only derps were around to pretend to fill his shoes [08:10]
mircea_popescu " I remember someone saying that if it hadn't been for automatic switches in the telephone network, the entire population of planet earth would have had to be telephone operators to handle the load of telephone usage in 1993 or thereabout. I get the eerie feeling that because modern computer systems are so incredibly braindamaged in their design and in the tools used to program them, the entire population of planet e [08:11]
mircea_popescu arth will be programming these idiotic boxes pretty soon if managers don't wise up to the fact that the equivalent of automatic switches already exist and have done so for at least 20 years. yet if Y2K doesn't light up most manager's view of the world of programming, there isn't hope for mankind at all." [08:11]
decimation I didn't realize - apparently Commodore made their own silicon chips, and even made their own LCD screens [08:11]
mircea_popescu lol. most kids today ARE coding [08:11]
mircea_popescu for the web [08:11]
mircea_popescu in .net vb [08:11]
decimation and .js! [08:11]
asciilifeform last i knew, commodore-64 still held the record for the greatest number of a particular design of computer ever built. [08:12]
asciilifeform (particular design - as in, same parts, same circuit) [08:13]
asciilifeform and this was on account of genuine popularity. no one buried these by the thousand in a desert. [08:13]
asciilifeform 'cheap and angry.' [08:14]
asciilifeform a few years later, the company tried selling what was, at the time, an 'actually nice' computer - 'amiga.' [08:14]
decimation according to Mr. Herd it was recently surpassed by the 'ipad' if you consider that to be a computer [08:14]
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asciilifeform but - not compatible. [08:14]
JorgePasada Whatup nerds!?!? [08:14]
asciilifeform 'hysterical raisins.' [08:14]
asciilifeform decimation: which ipad? 1,2,3,4 ? [08:14]
mircea_popescu JorgePasada nothing much. [08:15]
decimation yeah I donno [08:15]
decimation here's some text from Mr. Herd (he was the hardware engineer for the c128) [08:15]
assbot Hacking the Commodore C128 with Bil Herd [08:16]
asciilifeform c128 was arguably the beginning of the end [08:16]
asciilifeform live by the trabambourghini, die by the trabambourghini. [08:16]
asciilifeform retool for lambo after trambo - not easy. [08:16]
decimation yeah, he admitted it was 9 lbs of shit in a 5 lb bag [08:17]
asciilifeform like starting life again. [08:17]
decimation in the podcast he said they should have produced the commodore LCD - which would have competed with the TRS-80 [08:17]
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asciilifeform when i came to usa, i saw a c128 in, of all places, a toy store. [08:17]
asciilifeform still don't know how it came to be there. [08:17]
asciilifeform that was the first and last time i ever saw one. [08:18]
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decimation but apparently the fucktarded 'bitcoin ceo' who took over after Mr. Tramiel was speaking with the CEO of tandy who told him that here was "no money in portable computers" [08:18]
asciilifeform c64 - by the tonne. [08:18]
BingoBoingo in .net vb << In library school I was forced into this bullshit for a semester, final project I couldn't take it. Went FU here's a mono runtime in a jail and Visual C++ 6.0 that compiles to it because fuku [08:18]
decimation later that year the TRS-80 was a massive sales leader for tandy [08:18]
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asciilifeform c128 article << shows wire wraps as if it were exotic [08:19]
decimation heh yeah [08:19]
asciilifeform you lot never did a wire wrap? [08:19]
BingoBoingo later that year the TRS-80 was a massive sales leader for tandy << If you can point me to someone selling 90+ working samples... may be interested [08:19]
asciilifeform surely, just once, as a boy? [08:19]
JorgePasada Bah, getting kicked out of my friends place. Be back in 30. Been a while since I've been in here. [08:19]
asciilifeform what on earth does BingoBoingo want witj 90+ trash-eighties [08:19]
BingoBoingo surely, just once, as a boy? << I did the disposable camera to taser conversion wrapping to get taser voltages. [08:20]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: didja keep the ignition coil in the output? [08:20]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo: didja keep the ignition coil in the output? << Shhhh.... [08:20]
decimation I haven't wire-wrapped myself, no - only soldered. but I have considered getting into it [08:20]
asciilifeform yknow, the one that strikes the 5kv or so arc so the ~300v cap can discharge through ionized xenon [08:21]
decimation it seems like an ideal method for prototyping logic [08:21]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i've a story about those things. [08:21]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: as a student, bought disposable camera (those existed) with flash, late in the night [08:22]
asciilifeform girl was wearing a shitmetal ring, it broke in half [08:22]
asciilifeform tried to plasma-weld it back using the flash. [08:22]
asciilifeform well, just the cap. [08:23]
asciilifeform [08:23]
asciilifeform ^ one of these buggers. [08:23]
BingoBoingo Ah, so the only reason people bought those [08:24]
asciilifeform i've no idea why anyone else bought them. [08:24]
asciilifeform but i cannot recommend. [08:24]
BingoBoingo Malice and pranks [08:24]
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BingoBoingo Only reasons I know [08:24]
mircea_popescu lesson for stan : next time girl breaks her ring, don't try to weld it back on her. [08:25]
asciilifeform [insert mircea_popescu's tale about soldering with matches here] [08:25]
asciilifeform eh how'll it stay on ifya don't weld it back in the right place, lol [08:25]
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asciilifeform incidentally, i've always wanted a pack of slow-burning steel-tipped 'matches' you could solder with in the field. [08:26]
asciilifeform perhaps using the same magic found in self-heating tinned food [08:26]
BingoBoingo incidentally, i've always wanted a pack of slow-burning steel-tipped 'matches' you could solder with in the field. << SO story with those. [08:27]
asciilifeform pull the pin, it simmers along at 200C for half hour. [08:27]
decimation I've used butane soldering iron, works well [08:28]
asciilifeform also have. [08:28]
asciilifeform but - finnicky bugger, hisses, puffs, goes out in the rain [08:28]
asciilifeform no good for zombocalypsis. [08:28]
mircea_popescu lol [08:28]
BingoBoingo Younger dumber highschool me got pretty girl I'd been seeing pretty ring, and being youg poor white trash me I completely ignored subtexts in acquiring 10 gold ring with colored quartz rock. Girl got ideas, ring was rendered part of schoolbus floor [08:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00073218 = 2.4528 BTC [+] [08:29]
* asciilifeform does not wear rings today. [08:29]
asciilifeform pet doesn't either [08:29]
asciilifeform they get in the way of - work. [08:29]
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decimation they also expose you to the risk of your finger flesh being ripped off [08:29]
asciilifeform ripped, roasted, zapped, amalgamated, dissolved, turned on lathe, milled off [08:30]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i don't get it, you got cvasi-married ? [08:30]
asciilifeform clippered, sheared, ionized. [08:30]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Her poorer, more white trash ass thought so. [08:30]
mircea_popescu why so harsh. [08:30]
decimation I found a titanium ring is good for me most of the time, completely anti-reactive to skin and also cheap [08:30]
decimation but solves none of the above problems [08:31]
mircea_popescu some professional lines require rings. [08:31]
BingoBoingo Everything is fun and games until poorer and more white trash tries to become a precondition for future life [08:31]
asciilifeform professional... rings << hollywood ? [08:31]
mircea_popescu holy shit... aluminum brass knuckles ?! [08:32]
mircea_popescu i dont even. [08:32]
BingoBoingo holy shit... aluminum brass knuckles ?! << WHere??? [08:32]
mircea_popescu are these for afficionados, light enough to attach scope to ? [08:32]
* BingoBoingo waits for inevitable DU brass knuckles [08:32]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo persay. [08:33]
BingoBoingo Wait, who seriously can't pirate Poor Man's James Bond vol. 1-4? [08:33]
BingoBoingo Why aluminium? [08:33]
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mircea_popescu for scope. [08:34]
mircea_popescu only explanation possible. [08:34]
asciilifeform [insert 'tactical stick' here] [08:34]
BingoBoingo Why not wet sopping rag knuckle dusters, they'll have more mass [08:34]
[]bot Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Silver to fall under $15/oz before December 27th" Odds: 69(Y):31(N) by coin, 54(Y):46(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.5111 BTC. Current weight: 42,761. [08:35]
decimation [08:36]
assbot Kubotan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [08:36]
BingoBoingo So if anyone cares, gas prices in Middle APerica less stable than BTC at the moment. [08:36]
asciilifeform kubotan << see also демократизатор ('democratizer') [08:37]
BingoBoingo Kind of looking forward to more action on that front as the Saudis try to bankrupt US Bezzel "oil" men [08:38]
BingoBoingo << Mag lite [08:38]
assbot Kubotan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [08:38]
decimation lol " In April 2010 actor and entertainer Darren Day was found guilty of possessing an offensive weapon, namely a Kubotan-style keyring, by a court in Edinburgh.[4]" [08:38]
decimation so, usg & friends might arrest you if you carry a stick [08:39]
asciilifeform [08:39]
assbot Демократизатор — Lurkmore [08:39]
decimation asciilifeform: is that what russian cops use to beat hippies? [08:39]
BingoBoingo Only outside of a legitimate domicile. Within domicile even a fucking claymore sword is fair game. [08:39]
asciilifeform decimation: the very same. [08:39]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Russian batons... have a very dildonic look [08:40]
asciilifeform small translation: 'rubber cock. lever of perestroika. anal irritator. in the 2000s - stabilizator. also 'attitude adjuster'.' [08:40]
BingoBoingo !b 2 [08:40]
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BingoBoingo So... basically a kinder soldering iron alternative... [08:41]
asciilifeform linked article mentions a popular brand among ru police, 'argument.' [08:42]
mircea_popescu i wonder how many russian policemen used it to touch themselves. [08:42]
BingoBoingo !b 2 [08:42]
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asciilifeform and handcuffs sold under brands 'tenderness' (one prisoner) and 'tenderness-2' (hold five) [08:42]
asciilifeform this is ordinary, brw [08:43]
mircea_popescu anyway, all the excitement i can take. later all! [08:43]
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asciilifeform tear gas was labeled under brand 'hackberry' (черёмуха) [08:44]
* asciilifeform also to bed [08:44]
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kakobrekla punkman> kakobrekla: it seems i found 'the no guy' > << seems to start around the time I first mentioned it < and they say pessimism isnt worth it. [16:35]
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kakobrekla ok this shit is funny: [16:40]
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kakobrekla Blazedout419 (he is here in the chan) > I am sure will and deadterra have done quite well on this scam... [16:40]
kakobrekla while he carries another scam in the signature. [16:40]
kakobrekla congratulations, mister chump of 2014 [16:41]
mircea_popescu lol wait wut ? [16:41]
kakobrekla (the gaw miner) [16:41]
mircea_popescu this plot is pretty thickened! [16:42]
kakobrekla such beauty last page:;topicseen [16:42]
punkman "Stop holding my coins hostage, pay out my divs so I may reinvest them. I am loosing potential profit because of your practice. " << lol [16:42]
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kakobrekla if someone has a working retard talk account, ping geegaw to come by ? [16:43]
kakobrekla >That's what sucked me in, I saw a lot of posts about 1-2 month ROI's so I bought my Zens retail from GAW @ 17.95 next day worked out my ROI 217 days, the very next day 1 year ROI (approx), next day retail Zens @ 14.95 and ROI infinity +1. Early adopters were given high, magic, above market payouts to lure suckers like me in, and it worked. [16:43]
punkman I thought magic cloud miners would autoscale [16:45]
bounce <- how to make a plastic gun that shoots: use casing for substitute barrel [16:46]
assbot The Bullet That Could Solve 3-D Printed Guns' Reliability Problem | WIRED [16:46]
mircea_popescu " Early adopters were given high, magic, above market payouts to lure suckers like me in, and it worked." << duh. [16:46]
mircea_popescu how to make a plastic gun that shoots: use casing for substitute barrel <<< pressed shit works just fine, when smeared on actually functioning machines! [16:47]
mircea_popescu << now look what you did! cazalla & bingo [16:47]
assbot Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast [16:47]
mircea_popescu This site reaches over 3,428 monthly people, of which 2,111 (62%) yesterday. [16:48]
bounce "mobile web" + "online" = "web". dat distinction. [16:48]
mircea_popescu marketeers know words. [16:49]
mircea_popescu good thing mr police guy made me fucking move it. [16:50]
mircea_popescu else this'd be a ddos. [16:50]
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kakobrekla eh? slashdot your target audience? top comment there: I bought one of these. It took a VERY long time to arrive, and only worked for a few weeks. I contacted them for warranty repair and they simply never responded after that. I am out around $3000. [16:50]
bounce so does quantcast count wordpress as "people"? [16:50]
kakobrekla you are basically talking to retard talk with green css [16:50]
mircea_popescu bounce what do you mean by "wordpress" ? [16:50]
bounce those pingbacks [16:51]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla yes. it is a news venue. it talks to retards. this, we knew going in. [16:51]
mircea_popescu bounce if it counted that qntra'd be well above gawker this month. [16:51]
bounce sounds legit [16:51]
punkman you have to run the quantcast javascript to count [16:51]
bounce reimplement in php and submit as a patch to wordpress [16:53]
mircea_popescu i have nfi how they do traffic measuring these days. i have no doubt whatsoever that it can be gamed. [16:53]
punkman oh they have a fallback tracking pixel too [16:59]
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assbot F.DERP October 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [17:09]
mircea_popescu if anyoen wants to give a final look to the month's statements, please do. i'll be signing them and deeding them later today. [17:10]
punkman oh it's a verb now [17:11]
mircea_popescu it hastabe [17:12]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller fixed. [17:12]
asciilifeform bullet << (ru incarnation) or (usa) [17:14]
assbot Современное стрелковое оружие мира - Специальные Российские патроны [17:14]
assbot Бесшумный патрон ХМ76 (США) » Военное обозрение [17:14]
asciilifeform long, long invented. [17:14]
mircea_popescu us creativity is an exercise in rebranding these days. etc [17:16]
assbot Anonymous derpage pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [17:16]
mircea_popescu << logo of is... a pen. [17:16]
mircea_popescu because totally. [17:16]
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asciilifeform both of the above historic examples also featured gas seal (piston pushed out bullet) and therefore silent. [17:17]
menahem yo pimps. :) [17:18]
mircea_popescu well yeah, if you're going to make a gun-cartridge might as well make it sealed. [17:18]
mircea_popescu and who might you be menahem ? [17:18]
menahem n00b following the rules set forth by good 'ol pete dushenski [17:18]
asciilifeform sealed shell was, iirc, a bitch re: disposal [17:18]
menahem reading logs, etc. [17:19]
mircea_popescu menahem is it any fun ? [17:19]
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asciilifeform (had to be treated with care, crushed in specially designed compactor) [17:19]
menahem ha, yea. most of it is great, some stuff takes a few re-reads. [17:19]
menahem i've met a few bitcoin-assets ppl around the globe already, not knowing until later that they were all in the wot. [17:20]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what's wrong with just burying them in a pile ? [17:20]
mircea_popescu ;;ident menahem [17:20]
gribble Nick 'menahem', with hostmask 'menahem!', is not identified. [17:20]
mircea_popescu so time to get in then. [17:20]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: brass was precious, must recycle [17:20]
mircea_popescu oh. [17:21]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: modern ru shells are, mostly, steel though. [17:21]
menahem lemme verify my id again. brb, heading to an office space. gracias for the welcome. [17:21]
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assbot Hi folks, I'm a homeowner on XXXXX Street, and I'm writing to complain -- onc - [17:21]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform incidentally, wouldn't a continuous furnace be the best approach ? [17:21]
nubbins` ^ that's the email i wrote to the city [17:22]
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mircea_popescu keep adding 1 cartridge/second, keep taking molten stuff out. [17:22]
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nubbins` a couple councillors email back "we will notify the appropriate people" etc [17:22]
nubbins` then the MAYOR emails me back, CCing the city manager: [17:22]
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nubbins` [17:22]
assbot Dave Please arrange to have this removed immediately and billed directly to t - [17:22]
nubbins` my sides [17:22]
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mircea_popescu nubbins` is this slumlord the new official slur for this circumstance ? [17:23]
mircea_popescu !up rdekley [17:23]
-assbot- You voiced rdekley for 30 minutes. [17:23]
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nubbins` i can picture the old fart hove off on his couch w/ his ipad, smoking a cigar, "y'know what? enough IS enough" [17:23]
nubbins` mircea_popescu gotta call a diamond a diamond [17:23]
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mircea_popescu nubbins` you know, the mayor response would be a better paste. we don't care what YOU said :D [17:23]
nubbins` too true, but bg info! [17:24]
nubbins` anyway, i pasted both, parse em as you will ;p [17:24]
nubbins` so i got that reply late last night. today, the city comes, picks up the trash out front, gets a ladder, and REATTACHES THE DECK TO THE HOUSE [17:25]
nubbins` my sides [17:25]
mircea_popescu "the XXXXX Street area is a shitty, needle-littered dump" << srsly ? [17:25]
nubbins` i gotta take a picture [17:25]
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nubbins` mircea_popescu not as bad as i make it seem [17:25]
nubbins` but you do find needles from time to time [17:25]
mircea_popescu maybe it's from all the diabethics. [17:26]
nubbins` "fuck the sharps container, this one's going in the road" [17:26]
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mircea_popescu <<< saving this for later use. [17:27]
nubbins` feed that woman enough beans and she'd make a great espresso machine [17:27]
mircea_popescu ahahahhaha [17:27]
mircea_popescu true story : i once spent in excess of an hour inserting coffee beans one by one into girl butt. just to see what'd happen. [17:28]
mircea_popescu sadly, no espresso. [17:28]
nubbins` bet it was a crazy buzz tho [17:28]
nubbins` [17:28]
assbot imgur: the simple image sharer [17:28]
nubbins` ^ that little bit of white trim is where the door used to be [17:29]
nubbins` anyway, good on the city, i guess; reattaching the deck is way cheaper than dismantling it and hauling it to the dump [17:29]
mircea_popescu north american houses look so shitty i swear. [17:29]
nubbins` plastic is the new wood [17:30]
kakobrekla Please arrange to have this removed immediately and billed directly to the [17:30]
kakobrekla property owner , no matter what the cost to the owner! Enough is enough! < ask for pgp signed statement, email isnt safe. [17:30]
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nubbins` HEH [17:31]
nubbins` doc o'keefe don't give a fuck about no pgp [17:31]
mircea_popescu i'm giving even odds the guy doesn't end up paying for it. [17:31]
kakobrekla no, nubbins` will pay. [17:31]
kakobrekla (After some years) [17:31]
nubbins` i already pay plenty by living next to the guy [17:32]
nubbins` anyway, would be interesting to see how many prior invoices have gone unpaid [17:32]
nubbins` this is maybe the 5th time in 3 years i've made this happen ;/ [17:33]
mircea_popescu generally, nubbins wars against people owning half the street go pretty predictable. [17:33]
kakobrekla just remember ascii; [17:33]
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nubbins` mircea_popescu no doubt, but it's my duty [17:34]
kakobrekla next week will be "o wait, it costs 6k? no we are not paying for THAT. 6k is not "whatever it costs", its 3k more than that." [17:35]
mircea_popescu hehe [17:35]
mircea_popescu but no, coupla hours with a crew and a truck is what, 350 ? [17:35]
nubbins` union crew, buddy [17:36]
nubbins` try again [17:36]
mircea_popescu minimum wage is still 10 bux or so in canada neh ? [17:36]
mircea_popescu fuck that shit. [17:36]
nubbins` $10.25 in 2dl afaicr [17:36]
nubbins` varies by province [17:36]
nubbins` city workers prolly get 25-35/hr during business hours [17:37]
mircea_popescu right. 6 grunts for 2 hours + driver counted as 2 = 160 bux. 80 for the truck, provided you don't actually have a deal and get it for 6k or so a month. [17:37]
mircea_popescu 100 left over for profit. [17:37]
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nubbins` heh [17:42]
nubbins` would love to see o'dea's face when he gets the bill [17:43]
nubbins` "deck reattachment: $200" [17:43]
nubbins` "...what?" [17:43]
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mircea_popescu you missed the chance to put an i in there. [17:45]
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nubbins` barring ambiguousness, pronouns should always be omitted [17:49]
nubbins` one thing the castellanos did right [17:49]
jurov nubbins`: just put a deck, too? you said you want it [17:49]
nubbins` i've already got a deck! [17:50]
nubbins` needs a bit of work tho ;/ [17:50]
jurov so the solution is very easy [17:50]
jurov bribe the town crew to fix the yours one [17:50]
mircea_popescu nubbins` "dick" [17:51]
nubbins` heh [17:51]
nubbins` [17:51]
jurov and watch it billed to him [17:51]
mircea_popescu lol "the yours one" j is adoooohrable! [17:51]
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jurov oh [17:51]
nubbins` "yeah, o'dea said he was gonna buy a bunch of pizza and leave it out front, but he didn't... [17:51]
nubbins` enough is enough! order a jumbo meat lovers and send the donair sauce to the property owner! [17:53]
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jurov !ud donair sauce [17:58]
jurov ;;ud donair sauce [17:58]
gribble | A Donair consists of a fried pita with shredded spiced beef cooked on a spit than covered in Sweet sauce ( Condensed milk , Sugar and vinegar) with... [17:58]
mircea_popescu putting sugar on meat wtf is wrong with people. [18:00]
nubbins` [18:00]
assbot The devil is real: little girl tells Christian preacher to shut up - YouTube [18:00]
nubbins` FWIW the "sweet sauce" has garlic as the main spice [18:01]
nubbins` mircea_popescu you don't dry-rub your briskets?! [18:01]
punkman I've never had one with sweet sauce [18:01]
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nubbins` halifax-style donair sauce is the best thing [18:01]
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nubbins` [18:02]
assbot All things Donair: Halifax Donair Sauce, Donair Meat, Donair Subs, Donair Pizza Recipes (And Garlic Fingers?) [18:02]
nubbins` i like making a huge batch of donairs once or twice a year [18:02]
mircea_popescu nubbins` dry rub, yes. thyme-and-garlic. [18:02]
nubbins` no sugar?! [18:02]
mircea_popescu no sugar. [18:02]
* nubbins` shakes head [18:02]
mircea_popescu and it's fucking donner kebap what you're going for [18:02]
mircea_popescu not "donair" [18:02]
mircea_popescu comes from the danube. [18:03]
nubbins` i'm canadian, it's a donair. [18:03]
mircea_popescu where is that oglaf. [18:03]
nubbins` [18:03]
assbot Doner kebab - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [18:03]
nubbins` 8) [18:03]
nubbins` bbl gotta go buy a donair [18:03]
mircea_popescu [18:04]
assbot Muster the troops [18:04]
mircea_popescu DON THE CROWN! [18:04]
nubbins` i still can't believe she wasn't a donair [18:04]
mircea_popescu k.o.d ? srsly ? [18:04]
nubbins` ok, peace [18:04]
jurov well... when i was in vancouver, my relatives there obviously knew better than to introduce us to poutine and donair [18:04]
nubbins` ;;google king of donair trailer park boys [18:05]
gribble King of Donair - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; King Of Donair Party - YouTube: ; Trailer Park Boys Off-Set Filming Locations - YouTube: [18:05]
jurov only long after i discovered these "canadian foods" [18:05]
mircea_popescu jurov "what stupid poor people would eat if they had no mothers." [18:05]
nubbins` o wow [18:05]
nubbins` fun fact, poutine is a common "first solid food" for babies in northern canada [18:06]
nubbins` chew on THAT for a bit. [18:06]
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mircea_popescu poutine is actually not that bad. [18:06]
mircea_popescu kinda normandy sort of thing, but hey. [18:06]
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mircea_popescu "Bitcoin isn't a security, if they say it's a security, they would be the first government in the world to give Bitcoin that sort of value or endorsement." << reading between the lines, "leadership coach" that doesn't understand either bitcoin or his jurisdiction is shitting his pants. [18:11]
mircea_popescu punkman: have these people been outside the lab? << no dude, "corrupted bit" count totally is the correct proxy for insurance claims. [18:12]
mircea_popescu that's why car claims are based on square cms of ruined paint. [18:12]
mircea_popescu it's a shame that most people go to their graves with 99%+ intact bodies. [18:13]
mircea_popescu a sad testament to the poor quality of healthcare offered before obamacare became a thing. [18:13]
mircea_popescu ok, jurov's root anal / total exhaustion of all parties thing is in bash now. which i think jurov mods... so preemptive SCAM! [18:15]
mircea_popescu somehow the quotes collected together get FUNNIER than they were in the logs. << had me laughing out loud. [18:17]
assbot #bitcoin-assets bash [18:17]
punkman << prior art on deed system [18:17]
thestringpuller ;;seen cazalla [18:17]
gribble cazalla was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 hours, 8 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: zzz night [18:17]
thestringpuller damn i missed him [18:17]
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mircea_popescu punkman not only am i not loading google js pilefest sites, but is the dude even in the wot ? [18:18]
jurov what's scammy on it? [18:18]
jurov on the root anal [18:18]
mircea_popescu well nothing yet [18:19]
mircea_popescu but maybe you don't approve it, how do i know [18:19]
mircea_popescu gotta be vigilant! [18:19]
jurov regardless it gets approved or not, i'll blame it on kako [18:19]
punkman oh never mind, they generate fake addresses like the first deedbot. [18:20]
assbot Bitcoinproof [18:20]
mircea_popescu kako is responsible for like 40% of somalia's milk production. [18:20]
jurov that's not milk, but donair [18:20]
mircea_popescu punkman why do you care anyway ? it's done. [18:20]
punkman gonna write article eventually [18:20]
mircea_popescu oic. [18:20]
mircea_popescu waste of your time, trying to find someone do something useful before WE did it. [18:21]
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punkman well someone had the idea in 2011 at least, [18:25]
assbot Using bitcoin for trusted timestamping? [18:25]
jurov kakobrekla you removed "cunt raw" before my eyes... you did not get it? [18:26]
jurov just say "cunt raw ex" aloud [18:26]
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mircea_popescu jurov why "ex" ? [18:28]
mircea_popescu you think it's contravex ?! [18:28]
jurov wow, it has even another meaning? [18:28]
mircea_popescu lol! [18:28]
mircea_popescu this one is only there for russian speakers, because in english u never crosses the barrier to a, nor w (a sort of u) to v [18:29]
kakobrekla jurov i guess i dont find it bash worthy [18:32]
kakobrekla one thing to note jurov, when you approve, do them in order from top down [18:33]
jurov yea i know and did it [18:33]
kakobrekla sometimes i go through the pending list and just delete what i dont see worthy [18:33]
kakobrekla and leave the quotes that im not sure what to do with, or how to cut them [18:34]
kakobrekla for a later decision [18:34]
mircea_popescu punkman: <<< nice find lol. [18:34]
assbot FAQ on the payment protocol [18:34]
kakobrekla i see you just flushed everything down the toilet [18:34]
kakobrekla mkay [18:35]
jurov no i actually accepted everything that was left [18:35]
kakobrekla yes [18:35]
kakobrekla that the toilet [18:35]
kakobrekla :D [18:35]
jurov oh that's what you mean [18:35]
kakobrekla the delete is the trash bin! [18:35]
mircea_popescu lol the bathroom life : either trash bin or toilet. [18:37]
jurov and qntra is the sink [18:38]
kakobrekla hehe [18:38]
mircea_popescu punkman fwiw, was july 2013. [18:38]
assbot And Gavin moves on to the dark side. The Bitcoin project is officially hijacked pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [18:38]
mircea_popescu then by october he was already making preparatory moves. [18:38]
kakobrekla and qntra is the sink < bidet you mean prolly [18:39]
mircea_popescu pizdet [18:40]
kakobrekla is that how you call it in ro? [18:40]
mircea_popescu it ? which it ? [18:40]
kakobrekla pizdit [18:41]
jurov pizdet === bidet? [18:41]
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mircea_popescu haha nah [18:41]
jurov or it's special bidet only for pizdas? and the other one is pulet? [18:41]
mircea_popescu well the bidet IS for pizde. and i guess for dudes cursed with a cock so short [18:42]
mircea_popescu it doesn't even reach the water in the normal wc. [18:42]
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kakobrekla isnt bidet for ass? [18:42]
kakobrekla idk. [18:43]
mircea_popescu if you swing that way... [18:43]
* jurov feels trilema exhortation on private hygiene upcoming [18:43]
kakobrekla ;;google bidet ass clean [18:43]
gribble Clean Butt: ; Clean Butt!!! - YouTube: ; Clean Your Butt with a Biffy - YouTube: [18:43]
mircea_popescu i should have called it trizdets [18:44]
mircea_popescu alas... too late. [18:44]
kakobrekla sez yes [18:44]
mircea_popescu bezzle butts, what do they know. [18:44]
punkman proof of existence, sidechains, bitcoin2.0 etc [18:46]
assbot FactomProject/FactomDocs · GitHub [18:46]
mircea_popescu oh, bitcoin 2.0 already ? [18:46]
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mircea_popescu punkman honestly, i do not believe the empty wankfest of these schmucks "having ideas" and resolving theoretical problems in theoretical ways should in any shape or form be encouraged. [18:47]
mircea_popescu this dovetails into stans permabitch about the "mathematizing" and "proofs" issues in general computation theory [18:48]
mircea_popescu and on the other hand into the business side of "your ideas are worthless, and what your head produced can't even be called an idea in any sense" i used to rant about back in 2013ish. [18:48]
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mircea_popescu kids need clear signals to be able to live their lives rather than dream their lives, and encouraging this stupidity is the wrong signal. [18:49]
mircea_popescu !up starzz_ [18:49]
-assbot- You voiced starzz_ for 30 minutes. [18:49]
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starzz_ Hello. I want to join the cult [18:49]
mircea_popescu ok, you're in. [18:49]
starzz_ lol [18:50]
starzz_ will work for a rate [18:50]
mircea_popescu work doing what ? [18:50]
starzz_ have a stupid article to write for qntra [18:50]
mircea_popescu write it, submit to cazalla [18:50]
mircea_popescu ;;ident starzz_ [18:50]
gribble Nick 'starzz_', with hostmask 'starzz_!180f6af0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.', is not identified. [18:50]
mircea_popescu heh. maybe get in the wot first eh. [18:51]
starzz_ in there. Don't know why it's not showing up here (otc it did) [18:51]
mircea_popescu if gribble dun see you it dun see you. -otc -assets or anywhere else. maybe you disconnected. [18:52]
mircea_popescu mats_cd03: gop wins senate majority << wow srsly ?! [18:53]
starzz_ Must be it. Thanks. [18:53]
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mircea_popescu punkman: more of a heartbeat, should I remove? <<< yeah. [18:54]
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mircea_popescu bounce: there, science tells you what language to use, the size of team to pick, and the size of commits to commit. get to it, slackers! thank science! <<< this science allowed me to win the lottery for fifty eight times in a row by always wearing the same shirt i wore when i won the first time. [18:55]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla: <<< i can't believe libertard central is still pushing this "need government for roads!" dead meme. [18:57]
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mircea_popescu seriously, you couldn't have dug up boston for a decade if there wasn't government to make it cost 10 trillion. [18:57]
mircea_popescu roads, yo! [18:57]
mircea_popescu meanwhile they're bitching about fossil fuels. here's an idea, libertard lobby : your understanding of bitcoin is going to fix the problem you imagine is "global warming". why hate ? [18:58]
ben_vulpes << i came home to a surprise celebration of...tuesday! [19:00]
assbot Unsee — Free online private photo sharing [19:00]
mircea_popescu soo, unrelatedly : the republicans now own the house, majority in the senate, a bunch more governors... [19:00]
ben_vulpes more importantly [19:00]
ben_vulpes yesterday was tuesday! [19:00]
mircea_popescu obama just went on a two year vacation, at a cost of a bunch of money. [19:01]
ben_vulpes usgpolitics boooooring [19:01]
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mircea_popescu myeah. i remember the days a coupla years ago that used to be a part of the conversation. [19:02]
mircea_popescu incredible how much a few years change in the third world. [19:02]
ben_vulpes if we absolutely must talk uspolitics: [19:03]
assbot Squeal - YouTube [19:03]
mircea_popescu such bad voice acting. [19:03]
ben_vulpes that she shakes her head while saying "i approve this message" made me lol. [19:03]
mircea_popescu `--- `--- `--- awkward patter bullshit with the headcharge movement to boot [19:04]
mircea_popescu it's gotten to the point where trying to be taught something in the us is a worse gambit than just not washing. [19:04]
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mircea_popescu !up qntranet [19:10]
-assbot- You voiced qntranet for 30 minutes. [19:10]
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qntranet starzz again [19:10]
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qntranet following the link to contact cazala [19:11]
mircea_popescu lol [19:11]
qntranet I know. Who knew? Just click the link and I'm qntra? [19:12]
mircea_popescu just so we know you came throug there. [19:12]
qntranet Oh. Okay. [19:12]
mircea_popescu google : "Barack Obama, Presidential term January 20, 2009 –" [19:13]
mircea_popescu check it out, google is making a prediction. [19:13]
qntranet I've been reading you for a year. I'm learning how. I've signed onto otc & know how to get in wot [19:16]
qntranet I can afford to write an article. I don't have the 30 btc for Mpex (or I'd buy bitbet shares) [19:17]
mircea_popescu qntranet you can just use coinbr ? [19:17]
qntranet See. that's what us edumacation does for one lol [19:18]
jurov qntranet any suggestion where coinbr should be advertised? [19:19]
jurov so that people know about it? [19:19]
qntranet it's tough to break into the media. [19:20]
mircea_popescu jurov qntra, apparently. [19:20]
qntranet That's what I think my article might do. [19:20]
punkman jurov, mpex homepage :P [19:20]
jurov it is mentioned in the mpex faq [19:20]
kakobrekla jurov i think ppl dislike the ongoing costs associated with an account on cbr and advertising wont fix that. my humble opinion. [19:20]
jurov long past most people's attantion span, tho [19:20]
qntranet Remove the scare factor a little bit [19:20]
qntranet I know there are other people like me who get it [19:21]
mats_cd03 << referral code [19:21]
assbot About CoinBr [19:21]
qntranet lol cd03 [19:21]
jurov i know.. but still .. when there is only ~10 people who actually pay these 2 bitcents [19:21]
jurov i don[t believe it would be so much more when it's free [19:22]
mats_cd03 i don't mind the bitcent fees tbh [19:22]
kakobrekla i just pass on what i heard. [19:22]
mircea_popescu jurov what is it, 2 bitcents / mo ? [19:22]
jurov yes. since november [19:23]
mircea_popescu eh, that's reasonable. [19:23]
punkman jurov, 0.1 year paid up-front might do better [19:23]
jurov plus another two per withdrawal [19:23]
mircea_popescu wtf, since when is 5 bux not free. [19:23]
mircea_popescu same people then derp all about how ipad is great, costs them a little more than 5 bux, delivers a lot less. [19:23]
jurov er.. since *last* november [19:23]
kakobrekla if 5 bux is change then you just get mpex acc its like 10 bux at the current btc price [19:25]
jurov kakobrekla wtf? [19:25]
kakobrekla which part [19:26]
jurov can't pinpoint [19:26]
jurov just rephrase it all [19:26]
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kakobrekla ;;calc 30 * 300 [19:26]
gribble 9000 [19:26]
kakobrekla see, 10 bux [19:26]
qntranet thanks ya'll. I have a coinbr account to create. [19:27]
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mircea_popescu ;;calc 30 / 0.02 [19:27]
gribble 1500 [19:27]
jurov these kakobux [19:27]
mircea_popescu today we find kakobrekla's cock is approximately 28 miles long. [19:27]
kakobrekla mebbe [19:27]
mircea_popescu makes long distance relationships that much easier for him. [19:28]
kakobrekla 28 miles is not that much easier [19:28]
jurov pity he lives it that part of world where you can't get 10 miles without encountering town or road [19:28]
mircea_popescu who else can fuck planes ? [19:28]
kakobrekla or a bear [19:29]
jurov planes? 28 miles is enough for orbital launch! [19:29]
kakobrekla anyway shutup i got work to do. [19:29]
jurov kako's preparing for another lauch [19:30]
jurov *launch [19:30]
kakobrekla lunch! [19:30]
kakobrekla omnom [19:30]
jurov suborbital jizz insertion [19:30]
mircea_popescu the ultimate face splat experience. you don;t even know whom it's gonna end up on! [19:32]
jurov ICJMs [19:32]
jurov !up CheckDavid [19:33]
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CheckDavid Thanks jurov [19:33]
CheckDavid A while ago i saw a notification here about a gold bet placed on, but now i can't find it. [19:34]
mircea_popescu !s gold bitbet [19:34]
assbot 16 results for 'gold bitbet' : [19:34]
punkman maybe [19:35]
assbot BitBet - Gold above $1200 on November 1st :: 1.07 B (66%) on Yes, 0.54 B (34%) on No | closed 2 weeks 3 days ago [19:35]
jurov when you put gold into the searchox, it won't come up? [19:35]
mircea_popescu "where should the searchbox advertise itself" is jurov's q. [19:35]
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CheckDavid jurov: some gold bets come up, but i don't think its the one that i saw in the notification [19:46]
mircea_popescu CheckDavid maybe that one closed ? [19:47]
CheckDavid That's what i was thinking mircea_popescu [19:47]
CheckDavid Doesn't show up in closed either, but not impotant [19:48]
[]bot Bet created: "Obama Impeached" [19:49]
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mircea_popescu <<< all the experience playing WoL tells us anything about this map ? [19:55]
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punkman for fellow snake charmers: [19:56]
assbot pyrasite-shell - Give it a pid, get a shell — pyrasite 2.0beta documentation [19:56]
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mats_cd03 i wonder what glad tidings gop congress will bring [19:57]
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mircea_popescu basically, either they start taking obamacare apart or lose their mommentum [19:59]
bounce lovely error message: "Failed to connect to server. The reason may be that the encryption methods supported by the server are not enabled in the security preferences." -- but naturally, DO NOT EVER show the poor user the list of supported protocols, because, you know, having the user guess is much better than showing what you do know. [19:59]
mircea_popescu granted that dismating it now is probably the worst possible outcome, way worse than never having implemented it in the first place. [19:59]
mircea_popescu bounce "please upgrade" [19:59]
mircea_popescu it's constructed to support a certain ideology. that ideology does not include the user contributing anything. [20:00]
kakobrekla since when do you listen to cow moos [20:00]
jurov as for WoL.. did you ever do any giveaways on trolltalk? such as coinroll raffles, they made wonders [20:00]
mircea_popescu jurov put some numbers on those wonders ? [20:02]
jurov scrat put 100btc in, got several hundred out [20:02]
jurov if someone (mpif nudge wink) gave us some dought, i'm sure it could be repeated [20:03]
jurov *dough [20:03]
mircea_popescu so wait. 100 btc raffle resulted in >30k worth of bets from bitcointalk ? [20:04]
jurov yes [20:04]
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jurov r dunno from where [20:04]
mircea_popescu i tell you i don't see it. [20:04]
jurov Namworld you around? [20:05]
jurov !up Namworld [20:05]
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jurov he should know concrete numbers, it was tracked [20:05]
mircea_popescu anyway, there were all sorts of offers, matching gains, i dun recall it all. [20:06]
mircea_popescu didn't do much. [20:06]
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mircea_popescu US $133,700 to turn the new album into an hour long musical anime [20:08]
mircea_popescu something's wrong here. [20:08]
mircea_popescu 70k frames at >1 dollar per frame ? i should make a korean drawing company. [20:09]
mats_cd03 asciilifeform: know where i can find K&R 1st ed warez? ive only read 2nd ed, and i can't find the first through hefty googling. [20:10]
jurov [20:10]
assbot The Million Dollar Homepage - Own a piece of internet history! [20:10]
mircea_popescu jurov what, is 2008 coming back in style ? [20:11]
jurov maybe that anime is done similar way [20:11]
mircea_popescu actually that was more like 2005 iirc. [20:11]
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The20YearIRCloud What album? [20:31]
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asciilifeform kakobrekla:jurov i think ppl dislike the ongoing costs associated with an account on cbr and advertising wont fix that << aha. [20:43]
asciilifeform k&r 1st ed. w4r3z that someone asked for >> [20:44]
asciilifeform ^ censored from 'google' incidentally. [20:44]
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mats_cd03 my hero [20:46]
asciilifeform note that classical 'k&r' variant of the language used a now-archaic function declaration style. that extant compilers have less than perfect support for. [20:47]
asciilifeform other than that, it's a perfectly living book. [20:48]
* bounce ran into an open tab with the purported cex/ghash sec letter. can't help but wonder what happened next. [21:04]
kakobrekla bounce they upped their advertising cannons. [21:06]
kakobrekla get as much chumps before they need to dox them [21:06]
bounce so no meaningful reply except a stream of dox to be expected then. right. [21:07]
bounce kinda curious since they're apparently registered in london. [21:07]
kakobrekla well buttstamp gives dox to usg [21:08]
kakobrekla so they can be a part of their averaged out ticker [21:08]
kakobrekla and they are in eu/uk/si [21:08]
kakobrekla bitstamp is legal by being retarded evil scammers [21:10]
kakobrekla so much for regulation [21:10]
bounce wonder if you could get away with telling the SEC, "we're being regulated by the bitcoin regulatory foundation so talk to them, not us." [21:11]
kakobrekla you mean MP? :D [21:12]
cazalla damn BingoBoingo, you were not kidding about that quantcast.. i had to get up early and chase the rubbish truck down the street as someone forgot to put the bins out last night : [21:13]
asciilifeform << when the firing squads at last for folks such as these? [21:16]
assbot Re: [O] Errors after upgrading emacs to 24.3.1 and org to 7.9.4 [21:16]
asciilifeform (for the malefactors who give cause for such discussions, not the participants therein) [21:16]
asciilifeform and an advance fuckyou to anyone who might bitch, 'you whine about modeline vs. mode-line but you even want to switch to trinary computer and no existing soft.' [21:17]
asciilifeform to which i answer: toilet - is good to have. kitchen sink - also good. toilet and kitchen sink hybrid - no thanks. the 'middle ground' is an idiot delusion, generally. [21:19]
chetty asciilifeform, hahahaha best explanation of that I have heard, I am gonna steal it [21:23]
asciilifeform chetty: al schwartz had the ultimate mindfucker of an explanation: [21:23]
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asciilifeform chetty: n-dimensional sphere, as n increases, has increasingly greater fraction of its volume closer and closer to the surface. [21:24]
asciilifeform chetty: (if you don't believe this - work it out!) [21:24]
asciilifeform chetty: hence, 'extremist' solutions, as dimensions are added to a problem (seen as a 'spherical horse' of course) are largely where the answers lie. [21:25]
asciilifeform chetty: and not in 'moderation.' [21:25]
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asciilifeform chetty: unfortunately schwartz's original essay appears to be lost in the burned library of googlexandria - usenet archive. [21:26]
chetty all very true, but not as much fun as the first one asciilifeform [21:26]
asciilifeform chetty: more fun. because in many cases you can blow idiots straight out of the water, with rigorous mathematical rocket, with it. [21:27]
chetty hmmm and when you put that together with the overton window I got to think some [21:28]
chetty unfortunately not that many people can follow the math of it [21:29]
asciilifeform this was not real maths! strictly first grade. [21:33]
asciilifeform if you understand pythagorean theorem, you can do this one. [21:34]
chetty I seem to find a lot of people that cant even make change [21:35]
asciilifeform chetty: i'd love to know who is behind the delusion that 'mathematical ability' is the ability to mentally crunch small numbers quickly. [21:36]
chetty haha, yeah it doesn't really mean that much, but it does put me off trying to explain things [21:37]
chetty anyway if you think about the overton window only letting you see the middle parts of the sphere it does explain a lot [21:38]
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asciilifeform incidentally, [21:42]
asciilifeform << good mathlol [21:42]
asciilifeform ^ possibly shortest interesting academpaper ever. [21:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2450 @ 0.00070575 = 1.7291 BTC [-] [21:43]
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ben_vulpes jurov: i just pinged the turdolator and didn't get a bounce and don't see it in the archives. [21:44]
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chetty now that one makes my head hurt :P [21:44]
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punkbot [trust-update] no changes [21:46]
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ben_vulpes salud Pierre_Rochard [21:57]
Pierre_Rochard salud [21:57]
thestringpuller Pierre_Rochard how is work. What was for lunch today? ;) [22:00]
Pierre_Rochard thestringpuller: work is going well, we just moved half the employees to the other side, of I have an office to myself now. Just sandwiches [22:03]
Pierre_Rochard so I have* [22:03]
thestringpuller fancy new office! always a good day. [22:04]
kakobrekla toilet and kitchen sink hybrid - no thanks. < toilet and bidet hybrids do well in china [22:07]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: thought it was a jp thing [22:08]
kakobrekla oh it might be jp sry [22:08]
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The20YearIRCloud So how goes it everyone [22:49]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes, whoever else: has anyone taken an interest in actually making the turd vaguely usable? namely, plugging the leaks (yes, all of them) and zapping the idiotic db corruption (supposedly 'rare': [22:55]
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nubbins` asciilifeform ^ [22:56]
asciilifeform nubbins`: we are far, far from the point where the answer to this question matters. [22:57]
ben_vulpes memory leaks for your book? [22:58]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: what we have now is unusable crud. [22:58]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: as in it cannot be used, at all. [22:58]
ben_vulpes because it fails to bring the whole chain down? [23:00]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: that, and it leaks memory. which means human intervention required. [23:00]
nubbins` something tells me this book ain't getting done by nov 15 ;D [23:00]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: actually in its wedged state it leaks so rapidly that it soaks up 8GB in six or so hours. while failing to fetch any blocks. [23:01]
nubbins` :0 [23:01]
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nubbins` meantime, i may have something special lined up for the cover [23:02]
ben_vulpes damn. [23:02]
nubbins` it'll make an o'reilly cover look like Dick & Jane [23:02]
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n6 Namworld nanotube napedia Naphex nezZario nhanH nick1234abcd NormDePloome nubbins` [23:06]
mircea_popescu nubbins` how was the donairine [23:06]
mircea_popescu !up fordlincoln [23:07]
-assbot- You voiced fordlincoln for 30 minutes. [23:07]
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nubbins` i settled for a meat sub instead [23:07]
nubbins` didn't have time for a donair ;/ [23:07]
mircea_popescu bounce: wonder if you could get away with telling the SEC, "we're being regulated by the bitcoin regulatory foundation so talk to them, not us." << depends on what you mean by get away. [23:08]
ben_vulpes i wonder if 0.6.3 shows the same behavior. [23:08]
mircea_popescu nubbins` isn't this fast food ? [23:08]
ben_vulpes not that moving forwards to "version number" parity with the rangers is in any way a good idea, just to handle this crud. [23:08]
nubbins` fast to order... eating it in a reasonable amount of time is the problem [23:08]
nubbins` you need like 30-45 minutes to eat a donair [23:08]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform lol asci-ilifeform [23:09]
cazalla [23:09]
assbot I'm Patrick Murck And Welcome To Jackass 2.0 | [23:09]
cazalla i'll keep pasting em seeing scoopbot no longer has the scoop [23:09]
mircea_popescu yeah srsly. [23:10]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform: chetty: n-dimensional sphere, as n increases << this is actually interesting to work out. [23:11]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i deliberately left the proof as exercise for the interested readers. [23:12]
mircea_popescu the area (ie, 2d volume) of a circle (ie, 2d sphere) is pi r ^ 2. the area of a circle half as big ? pi (r/2) ^ 2. so therefore 3/4 of the sphere's volume is within the tophalf of its radius. [23:12]
mircea_popescu in 3d, that proportion moves to ... 7/8. [23:12]
mircea_popescu and from there ownards. [23:12]
mircea_popescu the tophalf of a sphere always holds (2^n-1)/2^n of the volume. [23:13]
bounce [23:16]
assbot You Suck: America's Worst Broadband Cities Include Most of Upstate New York, Much of Ohio • Stop the Cap! [23:16]
bounce not sure why this concentrates on "cities of at least 50k households" [23:16]
mircea_popescu lol i bet half of africa has better internet than half of ny state. [23:16]
bounce if you count facebook-only mobile "internet" [23:17]
mircea_popescu bounce you'd be surprised. [23:17]
mircea_popescu really, most of the "poor countries" are basically ohio minus us style cops. bout same facilities and amenties. [23:17]
bounce but it's all the more poignant for the excellent backbone infrastructure that really doesn't exist in africa [23:18]
mircea_popescu it's one thing to have shitty internet because you can't afford to lay cable. [23:18]
mircea_popescu it's another because... uh... whatever the whiteplains excuse is. [23:18]
bounce I have no idea what is or isn't available in ohio [23:19]
asciilifeform ... can't afford to lay cable. [23:19]
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asciilifeform as for why not wireless - easy answer. cheap wireless would mean that folks with more money would not be 'sheared' adequately. [23:19]
thestringpuller !up m4rCsi [23:19]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform :p [23:19]
asciilifeform same reason why cheap housing is verboten. [23:20]
nubbins` huly fu-u-u-u-u-ck it takes a long time to download the blockchain [23:20]
z33andO_o that's because it's not really p2p software, bitcoin-core picks 1 node and downloads all from it [23:20]
z33andO_o if you pick a slow one then it takes ages [23:20]
mircea_popescu z33andO_o that's a good point incidentally. [23:21]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes that's another one for the endless list : fix the motherfucking p0p implementation so it actually is p2p [23:21]
nubbins` wat. [23:21]
mircea_popescu yes. [23:21]
bounce the US does have a habit of starting some community initiative only to see it lobbied into the ground because it would be "unfair" to overpriced unwilling monopolistic large corporations [23:21]
nubbins` jesus [23:21]
mircea_popescu bounce and vice-versa. [23:22]
mircea_popescu z33andO_o who're you btw ? [23:23]
z33andO_o xiando [23:23]
mircea_popescu oh nm [23:23]
mircea_popescu :p [23:23]
asciilifeform if sewer systems were introduced for the first time in today's usa, they would be an exotic and unobtainable thing. because would be unfair!!!11!! to 'private enterprise' fleets of honeywagons carting shit away for a dollar a turd. [23:23]
mircea_popescu nubbins` satoshi's origina, likely defensible call was that "hack it this way so it works, fix later when more manpower" [23:24]
mircea_popescu obviously usgavin then failed to deliver on this, as on anything else. another broken promise. [23:24]
nubbins` nod [23:24]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform bitcoin is being introduced today for the first time, plays out exactly as described. [23:25]
nubbins` seriously tho, i'm downloading blocks over fiber at 60KB/s [23:25]
mircea_popescu internet before that. [23:25]
mircea_popescu nubbins` flush the node. [23:25]
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nubbins` only thing i know how to flush is the toilet [23:27]
mircea_popescu block its ip in your firewall. most likely result bitcoind hickups for a minute and moves on. [23:27]
mircea_popescu obviously exact result can not be known, because the specification is gavin's mother's cunt. [23:27]
mircea_popescu i mean software. [23:28]
nubbins` a a a [23:28]
nubbins` yeah, see, bitcoind crashes ~1x daily on this vm [23:29]
nubbins` i'm assuming it grabs a diff node each time [23:29]
nubbins` they're all slow as shit [23:29]
mircea_popescu that's only 3-400x a year! [23:29]
nubbins` :D [23:29]
nubbins` 60KB/s is probably the best upload speed i'll ever get from some random user [23:29]
mircea_popescu possibly canadian fiber runs on poutine ? [23:30]
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nubbins` w/e it runs on, it works [23:30]
mircea_popescu did you rub sugar on it today ? [23:30]
nubbins` nope, crisco [23:30]
bounce can you force what node it'll fetch the blockchain from? [23:30]
nubbins` 5.7MB/s over wifi [23:30]
mircea_popescu lol crisco is for cisco ? [23:30]
nubbins` heh [23:31]
nubbins` the r is silent [23:31]
bounce would be worth it to trace a couple yourself and pick a good one, then force-feed it [23:31]
mircea_popescu bounce yes, actually, by editing the fallback list and wiping its other methods of acquisition [23:31]
nubbins` ("kissco? the fu...") [23:31]
mircea_popescu there are other methods [23:31]
nubbins` not like this isn't a fool's errand anyway, if it's gonna clam up at block 250k [23:32]
nubbins` but hey, to boldly go [23:32]
mircea_popescu (said fallback list being another thing that should go away, but iirc this was mentioned) [23:32]
bounce something to drop on a todo list in a wiki or something [23:32]
nubbins` provide text file w/ trusted nodes as argument or smth [23:33]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: and zapping the idiotic db corruption <<< there is more to this story, i doubt it's just "corruption". sadly i dun have the smoking gun. [23:33]
bounce or, well, start with dropping the things on the ml, it's there for this sort of thing [23:34]
mircea_popescu but if there was a candidate for "magic packet" undocumented behaviour of the subverted gavin-bitcoin, this is it. [23:34]
nubbins` [23:34]
mircea_popescu i r believ you nubbins` ! [23:34]
nubbins` the proof is in the ping! [23:34]
nubbins` not sure what i'd get if i hooked up a wire [23:35]
nubbins` suppose it doesn't matter [23:35]
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mircea_popescu nubbins`: it'll make an o'reilly cover look like Dick & Jane :D [23:35]
mircea_popescu << even money eh ? [23:36]
assbot BitBet - Obama Impeached :: 0.28 B (58%) on Yes, 0.21 B (42%) on No | closing in 11 months 2 weeks | weight: 99`955 (100`000 to 1) [23:36]
nubbins` [23:36]
nubbins` fun /with/ dick and jane [23:36]
nubbins` side note: that's a silkscreened cover [23:36]
mircea_popescu yeah i was thinking, why em the "with" [23:36]
nubbins` you'd see this occasionally in old letterpress shit, where the publisher ran outta type in the given font [23:37]
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nubbins` but silkscreen? nfi [23:38]
mircea_popescu i think ima make a list of romanian cursing. the internet is appalling. [23:38]
bounce maybe the same reason why "modern" word-produced turds end up with more fonts than words [23:42]
thestringpuller ;;ticker [23:42]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 340.11, Best ask: 340.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.88000, Last trade: 340.99, 24 hour volume: 15372.53022261, 24 hour low: 326.71, 24 hour high: 344.17, 24 hour vwap: 337.428263329 [23:42]
cazalla But Ms Mesnage encountered a number of problems with the Coles website, including being unable to select a delivery time for her groceries and complex navigation that meant it could take up to eight hours to place an order. [23:42]
assbot The woman taking on Coles in a landmark case | Illawarra Mercury [23:42]
cazalla imagine having to build your website to accomodate such people or get your shit handed to you [23:42]
mircea_popescu in other news, "man can't find door, sues shop" [23:44]
nubbins` groan, eyeroll [23:44]
asciilifeform not like this isn't a fool's errand anyway, if it's gonna clam up at block 250k << i actually have most of a patch for purely configurable block pumping. but shelved it and everything else for this reason. [23:45]
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bounce and the block problem is a DB handling problem, wasn't it? making swapping DB thingies a bit of a priority. [23:49]
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mircea_popescu bounce no apparently they ran into an earlier issue [23:51]
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asciilifeform they ran into an earlier issue << likely involves db corruption. see earlier link, ~1hr ago [23:54]
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